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B
A
C
Commissioner
Prescott
Lefler
here
and
for
the
city
council
I,
have
mayor
James
here,
mayor
Pro,
Tim,
Duncan,
council
member
Ferguson,
here
council
member
no
block.
C
Oh,
my
gosh:
how
I
missed
you?
Sorry,
commissioner
mckeck.
E
Thank
you.
We
have
one
item
on
the
study
session
today:
the
Master
project
22-089
at
654,
Camino
de
los
Mares,
SC
senior
housing
and
medical
office.
Do
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
F
Good
evening
Jennifer
Savage
assistant
to
the
city
manager,
we
do
have
a
staff
presentation
this
evening.
I
first
want
to
thank
both
the
council
and
the
commission
for
doing
a
joint
study
session
tonight
and
being
flexible
with
our
limited
laptops
and
microphones.
There
is
some
flexibility
in
both
of
those.
If
you
want
to
make
sure
that
when
you're
commenting
or
asking
a
question,
you
can
move
those
a
little
bit
I'll
go
ahead
and
wait
for
the
staff
presentation
to
come
up.
F
Thank
you,
and
so
this
evening
we
are
doing
a
study
session
on
the
project
at
654,
Camino
de
las
Morris
proposed
senior
housing
and
medical
office.
There
are
no
decisions
being
made
this
evening
next
slide.
Please
I'll
go
over
a
little
bit
of
what's
in
the
packet
as
well
as
next
steps.
First,
a
little
bit
of
background.
There
was
a
settlement
agreement
in
regards
to
this
property.
F
In
the
past
it
was
used
as
a
hospital
and
zoned
as
Regional
medical
facilities
and
through
the
litigation
process
there
was
a
settlement
agreement
that
the
city
would
revert
the
property
back
to
the
previous
zoning,
and
that
is
part
of
your
a
part
of
The
Proposal.
This
evening
the
site
was
considered
in
the
housing
element
and
the
housing
element
considered
the
site
both
for
housing
and
a
portion
of
it
for
medical
use.
F
The
project
has
been
reviewed
by
the
design,
review
subcommittee
or
drsc
for
three
times
and
last
week
they
did
move
to
push
the
project
towards
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
next
slide,
please
some
project
summary
items.
They
are
proposing
sorry
to
demolish
the
existing
building
and
surface
parking
they're
proposing
to
construct
two
buildings
of
senior
housing
with
250
units.
They
include
amenities
among
that
property
and
the
buildings,
including
a
pool
outdoor
living
space
and
Courtyards
with
vegetation
and
they're.
They
are
proposing
Spanish
colonial
revival
architecture.
F
We
we
mentioned
that
they
were
before
the
drsc
three
times
and
they've
been
working
with
that
body
to
refine
their
architecture,
to
provide
a
really
good
design
for
the
city.
The
other
part
of
the
project
is
medical
office,
and
that
would
be
approximately
750
square
feet
next
slide.
Please
part
of
the
project
includes
transportation
and
parking
modifications,
so
they
are
reducing
the
number
of
driveway
entrances
that
are
out
there
now
currently
there's
three,
and
then
they
would
be
reduced
to
two.
F
F
The
project
proposes
shared
parking
and
that's
specifically,
for
a
portion
of
the
guest
spaces
that
are
required
for
the
senior
housing.
So
not
all
of
the
parking
for
the
senior
housing
and
medical
office
would
be
shared,
just
a
portion
of
the
guest
spaces.
They
are
also.
They
are
also
providing
some
bicycle
parking
to
help
with
Transportation
options.
Next
slide,
please
the
applications
that
the
the
project
entails
includes
a
master
project
and
that's
just
one
project
number
to
capture
all
of
the
actions
that
would
be
part
of
this
project.
F
The
actual
application
titles
would
include
General
plan,
Amendment
zoning
Amendment,
Cup
site
plan,
architectural,
permit,
tentative
parcel
map
and
they're
also
proposing
a
development
agreement.
Next
slide,
please
the
regulations
that
the
project
is
Guided
by
include
the
general
plan,
the
design
guidelines,
specifically
the
city
design
guidelines.
There
is
an
additional
document,
that's
referred
to
as
the
Henry
Lenny
design
guidelines,
but
this
particular
location
isn't
required
to
comply
with
those.
F
The
project
is
also,
of
course,
subject
to
our
Municipal
Code,
specifically
on
the
senior
housing
project
section.
That
will
be
a
key
part
of
the
municipal
code
that
the
project
would
be
reviewed
against.
There's
an
additional
law
from
the
state
level.
The
density
bonus
law
that
this
project
would
also
be
subject
to,
or
rather
is
using,
and
that's
really
an
important
thing
to
to
stop
on.
For
just
a
moment.
There
are
some
limitations
that
the
city,
any
city,
has
with
the
state
density
bonus
law.
F
There
are
some
Lanes
or
or
limitations
to
what
we
can
and
cannot
approve,
and
the
C
at
this
project
does
intend
to
utilize
the
density
bonus.
So
when
that
comes
up,
we
can
have
a
further
discussion,
but
there
are
some
limitations
on
what
we
can
and
cannot
approve
in
relation
to
state
law.
Next
slide,
please,
their
project
does
include
environmental
review
because
it
was
considered
as
part
of
the
housing
element.
They
are
tearing
off
the
eir
or
environmental
impact
report
that
was
prepared
for
the
housing
element
updates.
F
We
are
preparing
an
addendum
to
tear
off
that.
There
are
background
and
Technical
reports
that
are
considered
as
part
of
that
addendum.
They
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
cultural
noise,
water
quality
and
vehicle
miles
traveled.
Just
to
note,
the
applicant
is
preparing
and
providing
a
traffic
impact
analysis,
but
changes
to
sequa
mean
that
the
traffic
impact
analysis
is
not
part
of
sequa.
F
So
what
are
the
next
steps?
Well,
you
do
have
some
part
of
the
application
in
your
packet
tonight
you
have
the
narrative
and
then
you
also
have
the
architectural
portion
of
the
plans
in
the
future
when
it
comes
before
the
Planning
Commission.
For
a
public
hearing
and
the
city
council
for
a
public
hearing,
you
will
receive
a
number
of
technical
background
reports,
the
environmental
addendum
and
the
full
set
of
plans
that
will
include
grading
and
drainage,
and
then
this
evening
we
also
have
an
applicant
presentation.
Staff
concludes.
G
Council
members
planning,
Commissioners,
City
staff,
guests,
I'm,
Tom,
Leary,
I'm,
a
senior
vice
president
with
Memorial,
Care
and
I,
want
to
thank
each
of
you
for
allowing
us
to
present
this
evening
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
else
who
showed
up
tonight
and
brave
the
heat.
We're
very
much
looking
forward
to
your
feedback
into
your
comments
on
this
project.
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief
because
we
have
a
complete
team
here
of
all
of
our
design.
Experts
they'll
be
much
more
informed
on
the
technical
aspects
of
this
project
than
I
will
be.
G
We
have
a
lot
of
information
to
impart
tonight
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
allow
plenty
of
time
for
questions
and
answers
and
still
get
us
home
before
midnight,
but
on
behalf
of
MemorialCare
I
want
to
let
you
know
how
pleased
we
are
to
be
here
this
evening,
and
mostly
what
I
want
to
do
is
acknowledge
and
express
our
appreciation
for
the
leadership
that
the
city
council
has
shown
and
for
the
efforts
of
the
city
staff.
G
We
got
here
today
because
everyone
involved
recommitted
to
the
goal
of
putting
together
a
project
that
would
best
serve
the
interests
and
the
needs
of
this
community.
That's
been
our
guiding
principle.
That's
been
our
North
Star
since
we
began
everybody
bought
into
it
back
even
going
back
to
the
discussions
with
mayor
Bain
and
we're
extremely
appreciative
of
the
effort.
That's
gone
into
this.
The
leadership
that's
been
shown,
and
we
strongly
believe
that
this
project
is
is
consistent
with
that
goal.
B
Thank
you
Tom,
and
thank
you
to
the
planning,
Commissioners
and
city
council
members
for
having
us
here
tonight.
I
recently
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
some
seniors
at
the
Dorothy
Visser
Senior
Center,
and
what
really
struck
me
was
How
concerned.
Many
of
them
were
with
their
ability
to
stay
in
San
Clemente,
mainly
due
to
the
cost
of
housing
here,
and
so
this
is
a
real
problem
and
our
project
goes
quite
a
long
ways
to
helping
250
seniors
remain
in
San
Clemente.
B
We
do
have
some
slides.
Can
we
put
those
slides
up?
B
Thank
you
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
just
a
few
comments
about
Memorial
Care,
we
are
a
non-profit
Health,
Care
System.
We
serve
Orange,
County
and
Southern
LA
County
over
a
million
and
a
half
patients.
We
have
four
hospitals
and
over
200
Health
Care
Centers
and
we've
been
ranked
as
leaders
in
California
and
the
U.S
for
health
care
next
slide
and
one
of
the
really
growing
realities
that
we
have
is
our
aging
population.
B
We
have
over
600
000
seniors
in
Orange
County,
and
it
will
double
in
the
next
20
years
and
San
Clemente
actually
has
an
older
median
age
than
most
other
cities
in
Orange
County.
So
the
significant
housing
shortage
is
particularly
acute
here,
also
as
a
physician
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
there
is
a
connection
between
stable,
comfortable
and
affordable
housing
and
Longevity
and
wellness
in
seniors,
and
we
see
that
every
day
next
slide.
B
One
of
the
other
realities
for
our
seniors
is
the
the
cost
of
of
living
here
and
so
because
of
inflation,
particularly
the
cost
of
housing,
prescription
drugs.
Many
seniors
are
concerned
and
at
risk
of
outliving
their
retirement
savings
and
we're
seeing
that
happen
and
what
they're
doing
because
of
that
they're
moving
they're
moving
to
Arizona
they're,
moving
to
Nevada
to
Texas
and
other
states,
and
what
we
need
is
a
local
solution
to
keep
our
San
Clemente
seniors
here
with
their
family
and
friends.
B
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
that
solution
is
really
our
senior
housing
is
a
really
important
part
of
that
solution.
Not
only
does
it
provide
housing
for
our
seniors,
but
it
also
creates
move-up
opportunities
for
younger
growing
families
and,
as
pointed
out,
it
aligns
with
the
city's
housing
element,
as
well
as
with
the
state
Arena
goals
next
slide.
B
And
so
the
solution
that
we're
proposing
as
you've
heard,
is
to
develop
a
new
senior
community
and
Health
Center.
It
would
be
on
the
former
San
Clemente
hospital
site,
6.6
Acres.
We
would
develop
250
senior
apartments
for
rent
for
55
and
older
seniors,
and
a
portion
of
those
would
be
for
low-income
residents,
approximately
five
percent
or
13
units.
We
would
also
develop
a
Memorial
Care
Health
Center
on
that
site.
B
Next
slide
that
Health
Center
would
be
approximately
7
500
square
feet,
and
it
would
be
open
to
the
public
not
just
to
the
seniors
living
in
the
apartments,
but
to
all
the
residents
of
San
Clemente,
and
we
will
have
primary
care.
Physicians,
Specialty
Physicians,
as
well
as
Urgent
Care,
open
seven
days
a
week
next
slide
and
you
might
wonder
who
who
would
live
in
those
apartments.
And
so
we
actually
did
a
little
bit
of
research
and
have
come
up
with
two
different
tenant
profiles
that
I'd
like
to
go
over
briefly.
B
The
other
profile
that
is
likely
to
live
in
these
apartments
is
an
older
couple
in
their
70s
who
are
on
a
fixed
income.
They
live
here
in
San
Clemente,
but
they're
they're
worried
about
outlitting
their
retirement
savings,
and
so
they
need
to
sell
their
home
to
live
on
that
money
and
affordable
housing
is
really
their
only
option
to
stay
in
San
Clemente.
So
these
are
not
hypothetical
scenarios
that
we
made
up.
B
H
H
We
could
get
the
presentation
up
there.
We
go
perfect
next
slide.
So,
as
Jennifer
pointed
out,
we've
done
this
project
in
a
Spanish
colonial
style,
keeping
consistent
with
the
architecture
in
San
Clemente.
What
this
slide
shows
is
how
compatible
it
is
with
the
adjacent
some
of
the
adjacent
buildings
along
Camino,
De,
Les
Morris
to
the
north
and
south
of
us.
There
are
three
four
and
five
story
buildings
that
are
similar
in
height
to
what
we
are
proposing
on
our
site.
H
H
This
is
a
building
plan.
We
have
two
buildings:
the
Courtyards
are
prevalent
in
building
two
and
those
Courtyards
have
views
out
to
out
to
the
ocean.
There's
a
pool
Courtyard
there
on
the
left.
Building.
We've
also
tried
to
maintain
new
corridors
through
our
building
between
the
adjacent
retail
parcel
to
the
North
and
then
the
adjacent
senior
housing
project
to
the
South,
as
well
as
our
Paseo
that
bifurcates
both
our
buildings
next
slide.
H
This
is
just
a
a
shot
of
the
entry
to
the
Paseo
op
Camino
de
las
maras.
Our
building
set
back
quite
a
ways
from
Camino
delos
Mars.
We
have
an
extra
10
feet,
setback
there
with
additional
landscape
between
our
building
and
the
sidewalk,
there's
also
a
seating
entry.
The
entry
Plaza
to
our
Paseo
provides
seating.
It's
a
public
space
there
next
slide.
H
This
is
a
shot
of
the
entry.
That's
the
four-story
portion.
That's
set
back
from
Camino
delos
Mars
approximately
about
120
feet.
We
have
a
porticochere
for
guests
to
pull
up
to
and
enter
in
next
slide.
H
This
is
another
shot.
Looking
down
beside
one
of
our
view,
corridors
out
to
the
ocean
next
slide
and
then
a
few
more
of
our
money.
Shots,
if
you
will,
this
is
our
pool
Courtyard
looking
out
to
the
ocean,
it's
a
raised
Courtyard,
so
it
does
afford
views
over
the
freeway
to
the
ocean
and
then
a
few
more
shots,
looking
back
towards
the
fitness
center
and
Club
room
and
then
our
entry
Plaza
into
Paseo
next
slide.
H
This
is
a
an
image
of
the
medical
office
building
two-story
massing,
There's
7
500
square
foot,
and
that
is
my
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
E
D
Body
has
the
ability
to
do
that,
as
fact
finder
so
I
think
if
there's
something
specific
that
you'd
like
to
discover,
then
you
can
ask
the
applicant
to
do
that
and
and
so
maybe
asking
them
what
they
have
left
and
what
realm
you
might
explore
more
deeply
than
you.
Could
you.
H
About
it,
then
we
could
decide.
The
remaining
slides
are
talk
about
the
height,
the
average
height
of
our
buildings
and
show
the
three
and
four
story
massing.
Yeah.
D
D
E
Okay,
I
I
my
impression
unless
there's
a
strong
preference
now
that
that
we
afford
the
applicant
more
time.
Please
focus
on
those
height
issues
and
and
the
exceptions
that
you
guys
are
asking
for
relative.
C
H
The
code
for
exceptions.
E
Okay,
this
10
additional
minutes
maximum
appropriate.
Is
it
more
than
plenty,
not
enough
money?
Okay,
so
Stephanie
you
can
please
give
them
a
maximum
10
more
minutes
and
please
try
and
cram
your
information
to
that
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
Next
slide,
so
this
is
a
elevation
of
our
project.
As
you
can
see,
the
three-story
massing
primarily
along
Camino
de
las
Morris.
There,
the
side
shot
that
you
see
the
side
elevation.
There
shows
how
our
building
steps
down
similar
to
the
project
to
the
south
of
us.
H
H
H
The
bottom
image
is
the
north
elevation
of
our
project,
adjacent
to
the
retail
section,
and
you
can
see
the
Portico
share
and
drive
up
entrance
there
next
slide.
H
This
shows
the
average
height
and
it's
hard
to
see
from
here,
but
the
average
height
is
showing
across
there
as
a
three-story
goes
down
to
the
four-story
edge
of
about
45
to
48
feet
next
slide.
G
In
the
interest
of
time,
I
I'm
simply
gonna.
Thank
the
council.
Thank
the
planning
Commissioners
again
for
your
time
this
evening
and
a
consideration.
You
know,
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
do
a
lot
of
community
outreach.
We've
met
with
a
number
of
groups
within
the
community.
We've
received
an
awful
lot
of
favorable
feedback
on
this.
We've
got
something
close
to
70
or
80
support
letters
that
I
understand
have
been
submitted
to
the
to
the
council
or
or
to
the
staff,
so
that
those
are
on
record
as
well.
G
So
with
that
I.
Thank
you
and
we
look
forward
to
getting
your
feedback
as
well
as
the
feedback
from
the
many
that
have
chosen
to
attend
tonight.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
very
much
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
is
not
a
public
hearing
as
a
and
the
definition
of
what
a
public
hearing
is,
but
we
do
welcome
public
comment.
So,
if
you'd
like
to
speak,
you'll
have
a
three-minute
time
limit
that
will
be
strictly
enforced.
E
Please
fill
out
a
speaker
card.
If
you
haven't
already
Jennifer,
will
invite
and
give
the
names
of
who's
coming
up
who's
next
and
please
proceed.
Thank.
D
Good
evening,
council
members
Planning
Commission
members.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
address
you.
My
name
is
Dr
Ken
Castle,
Nelson
I'm,
a
local
doctor
here
in
San
Clemente
for
the
record
I
was
raised
here.
I
went
to
Ole
Hansen
Elementary
School
and
graduated
from
San
Clemente
High
School
class
of
83.
D
I
seen
care
for
San
Clemente
patients
every
day
and
I've
been
doing
so
for
20
years.
Much
of
my
practice
consists
of
geriatric
and
Senior
patients,
so
I
became
quite
excited
about
the
San
Clemente
senior
living
and
Healthcare
Center
project.
When
I
heard
about
it.
For
me
things
it's
abundantly
clear
that
housing
affects
Health
Care
full,
stop,
there's
no
doubt
a
key
driver
of
positive
Health
outcomes
is
access
to
good,
stable,
safe
and
affordable
housing.
This
is
especially
true
for
our
seniors.
D
I
support
the
San
Clemente
senior
living
and
Health
Center,
because
it
will
provide
just
this
kind
of
critical
housing.
As
mentioned
there
will
be
250
Senior,
Apartments
houses
in
perfect
location.
It
will
be
within
walking
distance
to
shops,
restaurants
and
doctors.
Offices,
furthermore,
will
be
next
door
to
the
San
Clemente
Villas
assisted
living
community,
which
will
also
be
of
great
benefit.
I,
truly
believe
this
is
the
kind
of
smart
project
that
will
benefit
our
local
seniors
and
help
achieve
their
Optimal
Health.
D
E
C
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
council
members
and
planning
Commissioners.
My
name
is
Victoria
Hernandez
and
I'm,
representing
the
San
Clemente
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
in
support
of
the
Memorial
Care
senior
housing
and
Health
Care
Project
and,
as
stated,
the
project
includes
250
senior
homes,
addressing
our
local
housing
shortage,
while
creating
options
for
residents
over
the
age
of
55
to
continue
to
live
close
to
their
families
and
friends
in
San
Clemente.
C
The
chamber
is
very
pleased
to
see
the
expansion
of
Memorial
cares:
Medical
Services
in
the
city,
with
a
combined
urgent
care
and
health
care
center
provided
on
this
project
site,
which
is
open
to
all
San
Clemente
residents.
This
means
residents
will
be
able
to
access,
Physicians,
specialty
care
services
and
wellness
experts
in
a
One-Stop
location.
In
addition,
Memorial
Care
has
committed
to
a
design
that
is
sensitive
to
the
community
and
fits
with
architectural
character.
C
Here
further,
the
design
elements
proposed
are
sensitive
to
preserve
the
views
for
nearby
residents,
as
well
as
mitigate
traffic
with
new
residents
come
to
new
customers
for
local
businesses,
including
restaurants,
retail
stores
and
medical
offices.
Further
job
opportunities
will
be
generated
during
construction,
as
well
as
permanent
Health
Care
positions
at
the
health
center
Memorial
Care's
proposal
delivers
on
the
San
Clemente
Chamber
of
Commerce
mission
to
enhance
our
City's
Economic
Development
and
improve
our
quality
of
life.
The
chamber
strongly
recommends
your
support,
recommends
your
support
of
the
Memorial
Care
senior
housing
and
Health
Care
Project.
D
D
I've
been
in
Sanford
many
about
40
years.
We
have
a
lot
to
say,
I,
just
think
everyone
knows
we
need
a
senior
living
for
our
seniors
here,
been
here
a
long
time.
I
was
one
past
presidents,
Chamber
of
Commerce
I
started
Laura's
house,
founded
that
on
a
group
of
groups
of
women
to
go
to
the
military
and
support
the
families.
I
mean
they
didn't
come
back,
so
I've
always
been
to
that
and
I've
lived
here.
D
Many
years
I
lost
my
husband
last
year
and
I
have
a
nice
house
and
I'm
not
without
money,
but
I
mean
I,
know
a
lot
of
people
who
live
here
and
are
older
seniors
and
they
live
here
and
they
worry
about
where
they're
going
to
live
and
I.
Think
that's
a
big
concern
of
ours
and
I
just
thought
I
should
let
you
know
that.
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
time.
D
Good
afternoon,
council
members
Commission
this
is
this-
has
to
do
with
zoning
there's
more
than
80
percent
public
support
for
a
hospital
with
an
ER.
That's
a
very
strong
mandate
from
your
constituents.
D
A
clear
majority
of
those
surveyed
supported
a
bound
issue
and
a
small
minority
expressed
opposition.
That
surprised
me
with
a
300
million
dollar
price
tag
in
very
fuzzy
details.
I
personally
would
have
had
trouble
supporting
this
Bond
with
a
good
business
case
and
especially
with
participation
from
our
beach
cities.
The
two-thirds
vote
should
be
quite
achievable.
D
We
must
get
beyond
the
flood
of
self-serving
Memorial
Care
propaganda.
They
don't
want
competition,
we
want
a
hospital.
Let's
do
this
I
think
the
select
YouTube
video
released
by
the
council
was
probably
sincere,
but
it
contained
false
information,
important
aspects
that
already
been
debunked
by
the
save
the
hospital
group.
So
the
video
is
compromised
by
debunked
facts.
D
D
D
D
So
if
you
want,
you
know,
senior
housing
which
we
do
need
get
this
going,
get
a
hospital
going,
make
sure
that
we
have
a
designated
spot
zoned
for
a
hospital.
Thank
you.
A
Good
evening,
I'm,
Donna
vedrine
and
long
before,
I
ever
considered
running
for
city
council
I,
was
focused
on
the
need
to
preserve
access
to
hospital
services
in
San
Clemente.
As
a
nurse
I
understand
something
about
the
impact
of
losing
access
to
health
care
and
Hospital
resources.
We've
watched
for
years
since
Memorial
Care
closed
our
Hospital
in
San
Clemente
and
began
working
the
political
angles
to
allow
them
to
transform
the
property
into
a
mixed-use
profit
Center
that
may
meet
their
needs,
but
doesn't
begin
to
compensate
for
what
we
are
losing.
A
The
citizens
of
San
Clemente
have
made
their
voices
heard
8
out
of
10
indicated
they
want
a
hospital
and
would
be
willing
to
invest
resources
to
ensure
we
get
one.
We
had
a
hospital
with
an
emergency
room.
Now
we
don't.
If
you
approve
this
project,
you
will
be
serving
Memorial
Care's
interests,
but
will
you
be
serving
the
best
interest
of
our
community?
According
to
the
results
of
the
survey
this
city
council
commissioned
and
conducted?
A
A
What
they
propose
cannot
compensate
for
the
loss
of
a
hospital
must
the
cities
of
San,
Clemente,
Dana,
Point
and
San
Juan
Capistrano
continue
relying
on
the
overburdened
hospitals
in
Mission,
Viejo
or
Laguna
Beach
for
emergency
medical
needs
when
time
is
lost
in
transport
can
be
the
difference
between
life
and
death.
This
ceases
to
be
just
another
planning
decision.
If
this
project
is
approved
without
alternative
land
identified
and
a
special
Hospital
District
created
that
might
include
the
cities
of
San
Clemente
Dana
Point
zenwan
Capistrano,
our
leaders
will
have
rolled
over
and
broken
Faith
with
our
community.
A
If
you
want
to
send
the
message
to
every
developer
that,
if
you
sue
us
flash
pretty
pictures
and
just
wait
us
out
will
eventually
cave
in
then
siding
with
Memorial
Care
over
the
people
of
San
Clemente
is
the
perfect
way
to
do
it.
My
Hope
Is
You
will
choose
a
different
course
and
focus
on
the
interest
of
preserving
a
hospital
in
San
Clemente
with
Memorial
cares,
support
and
Partnership.
If
they
aren't
willing
to
partner
with
us,
why
would
we
surrender
to
them?
A
The
proposed
height
exceeds
the
roof
limitation
of
45
feet.
The
proposed
height
is
up
to
59
feet,
7
inches.
This.
This
proposal
would
require
a
change
in
zoning
to
commercial
designation
from
the
current
Regional
Medical
Facility
zoning
district
and
general
plan
designation,
in
which
it
currently
sets.
Thank
you.
F
C
Hello,
Planning,
Commission
and
City
Council
Members.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
hear
me
out.
My
name
is
Grace
Todd
and
I've
lived
in
San
Clemente
for
21
years.
My
husband
and
I
raised
our
three
kids
here
at
Forester
Highlands
and
since
our
first
child
was
one
years
old.
They're
now
21,
18
and
16.
C
I
live
off
of
Camino
de
los
Mars
and
I
drive
by
the
location
of
this
project
every
day,
and
this
area
has
been
an
eyesore
for
many
years
when
I
think
it
could
be
serving
the
community,
and
this
project
is
what
the
area
needs
at
this
time.
Our
residents
need
additional
options
for
our
health
care
services
close
to
home,
having
health
and
urgent
care
services
available
is
additional
peace
of
mind
for
us,
with
families
and
I.
C
Think
many
of
my
friends
and
neighbors
would
agree
by
building
homes
for
the
55
and
older
population
will
be
filling
a
need
for
our
city
and
our
local
residents.
When
we
moved
here,
our
neighborhood
was
full
of
all
young
families
with
young
children,
including
us,
and
now
all
of
our
children
are
grown
and
the
local
population
is
aging
I
just
turned
50
my
husband's
53,
so
we
are
think.
C
In
the
next
several
years-
and
we
hope
we
can
stay
in
our
beautiful
community,
the
project
I
think
will
beautify
the
area
with
its
Spanish
style
architecture
that
complements
the
character
of
our
Spanish
Village
By,
the
Sea
and
I.
Think
seniors,
who,
like
just
want
to
stay
active
and
remain
in
town,
will
be
able
to
stay
near
their
families.
So
I
would
urge
you
to
support
this
project
for
the
benefit
of
our
seniors
and
the
health
care
needs
of
our
community.
C
Good
evening
mayor
members
of
the
council
and
planning
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Paulette
mascarino
I'm,
with
South
Orange,
County
Economic
Coalition,
also
known
as
sosec
sosec
is
the
voice
of
businesses
in
South,
Orange
County
and
we
are
proud
to
support.
Memorial
cares
proposal
for
a
senior
housing
community
with
250
housing
units,
as
well
as
a
health
center.
This
project
will
help
local
seniors
age,
gracefully
in
the
community.
They
call
home
and
will
help
to
address
the
overall
housing
shortage
affecting
all
San
Clemente
families.
C
Memorial
Care
has
been
thoughtful
in
their
approach
to
repurpose
the
6.6
acres
into
addressing
both
the
health
and
housing
needs
of
San
Clemente
residents,
while
making
sure
to
propose
a
design,
aesthetic
that
blends
with
the
architecture
of
the
city
with
minimal
impact
traffic.
Again
sosec
is
proud
to
support
this
project,
as
we
have
long
advocated
for
housing
projects
that
promote
a
strong
economic
climate
for
our
growing
region.
This
combined
residential
community
and
Health
Center
will
benefit
the
local
economy
in
advance,
South
Orange
County.
As
a
continuing
leader
for
job
growth
and
Economic
Opportunity.
C
This
proposal
delivers
on
sosex
mission
of
building
a
strong
local
business
climate,
both
regionally
and
with
on
within
our
local
communities,
while
at
the
same
time
generating
new
revenue
for
the
city
of
San
Clemente,
which
will
fund
programs
and
services
that
benefit
all
residents
and
businesses.
Thank
you.
C
Hi,
my
name
is
Jill
Takahashi,
my
mother
loves
her
Beach
Community
and
she
loves
that
she
gets
to
walk
everywhere.
Her
goal
is
to
not
get
in
the
car
as
as
big
as
seldomly
as
she
can.
C
She
loves
her
friends
and
her
activities
and
we
have
a
housing
shortage
across
the
board
in
Orange
County,
and
we
have
a
growing
population
of
our
baby
boomers
and
they
need
our
attention
and
our
support
from
you
know
from
all
of
us
and
I
think
it's
important
that
it
comes
from
our
health
care
settings
as
well,
because
that
is
what
she's
worried
about
too.
C
F
E
D
Hi,
my
name
is
liberato,
Martinez
and
I'm.
Here
to
let
you
know
that
I
do
support.
Memorial
cares
senior
Community.
How
is
it
for
senior
housing?
My
father
just
turned
80,
and
there
is
such
a
shortage
that
as
much
as
I'd
like
to
have
my
father
with
me.
My
father
needs
a
place
that
he
can
call
home
and
with
such
a
shortage,
this
would
provide
an
opportunity
for
him
to
call
home
and
many
seniors
to
call
home.
D
The
shortage
is,
is
so
severe
that
this
is
becoming
more
and
more
common,
and
even
more
so
a
facility
like
this,
where
there's
a
medical
center
there,
he
can
easily
see
his
doctors
his
primary
care
and
help
keep
him
healthy,
as
it
would
help
keep
other
seniors
healthy
as
well,
and
then
just
the
lifestyle.
That's
here
in
San,
Clemente
he'd
be
able
to
continue
to
walk
and
be
out
and
about
and
be
active
because
we
live
in
such
a
great
place.
D
So
I
think
this
is
also
very
typical
of
our
seniors,
where
my
father's
aging
and,
like
many
other
seniors,
outliving
his
retirement.
So
having
a
a
place
like
this,
like
the
senior
community
in
the
apartments
by
Memorial
Care,
would
be
very
helpful
to
his
situation
and
as
well
as
to
the
other
seniors
in
the
community.
Thank
you.
D
D
E
C
Hi
good
evening,
chair
McCann,
honorable
mayor
members
of
the
city
council
and
Planning
Commission
and
Community,
my
name
is
Jennifer
Bullard
I'm,
the
senior
vice
president
of
advocacy
and
government
Affairs
for
the
Orange
County,
Business,
Council
or
ocdc,
and
I'm
pleased
to
have
your
time
tonight
to
express
our
support
for
this
project
as
well.
Ocbc
represents
some
of
the
largest
employers
here
in
Orange
County,
and
one
of
our
top
priorities
is
advancing
smart
and
Innovative
Housing
Solutions
for
residents
across
Orange
County.
C
We
know
that
there's
a
housing
shortage
in
Orange
County,
our
chief
Economist,
has
done
quite
a
bit
of
research
in
this
area
and
based
on
our
population
and
jobs
here
in
Orange
County
we're
about
60
000
units
short
of
where
we
should
be-
and
that's
only
projected
to
you
know,
get
worse
over
time,
and
we
also
know
that
we
have
an
aging
population
in
Orange
County,
and
so
that
is
even
more
exasperated
at
the
senior
housing
level.
C
You
know
the
business
Community
talks
a
lot
about
the
Aging
population
with
respect
to
how
we're
going
to
plan
for
our
future
Workforce,
because
we
have
so
many
of
those
retirements
coming
and
people
aging
out
of
the
workforce.
Our
county
is
working
on
figuring
out
how
we
can
maintain
that
Talent
pipeline
to
keep
those
workers
here
and
to
keep
our
talent
here
in
Orange
County
for
those
jobs
and
so
part
and
parcel
to
that
is
housing.
C
One
of
the
reasons
The
Business
Council
cares
so
much
about
advancing
housing
projects
is
because
employers
are
really
struggling
with.
You
know,
keeping
and
attracting
new
workers
because
of
that
lack
of
housing
options
anywhere
from
entry
level
to
the
c-suite.
So
we
really
do
need
all
types
of
housing,
which
is
why
you
know
by
offering
a
projects
such
as
this
it
that
is
designed
for
your
senior
population
and
not
only
benefits
your
your
Senior
residence,
but
also
frees
up
housing
and
other
housing
types
for
those
professionals
and
young
families.
C
And
you
know
again
it
goes
to
our
quality
of
life
goals
as
well,
which
The
Business
Council
is
mutually
working
on
it.
Housing
is
a
determinant
of
Health
in
the
community
and
for
people
individually,
and
so
it's
great
to
see
Memorial
Care,
bringing
forward
this.
You
know
benefiting
the
community,
but
also
combining
an
Innovative
way
to
bring
health
care
services
and
250
units
of
senior
housing.
C
So
we,
you
know,
look
forward
to
this
to
supporting
this
as
you
consider
it
in
your
future
meetings
and
really
see
it
as
a
win-win
opportunity
for
the
community
and
ocbc's
happy
to
be
a
resource
on
the
research
we've
done
in
housing
and
the
economic
impacts.
Quality
of
life
impacts
so
feel
free
to
have
that,
for
any
of
you
to
reach
out
we're
happy
to
provide
that.
Thank
you
so
much.
C
Good
evening,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
city,
council
and
Planning
Commission
for
allowing
comments
regarding
the
proposal
for
the
old
San
Clemente
hospital
site
I'm
here
in
support,
actually
I've
been
a
San
Clemente
resident
for
about
17
years
now,
and
I
live
on
Avenida
de
la
Australia,
down
between
Bonita
Park
and
the
industrial
area,
and
what
I
can
honestly
say
is
the
current
Hospital
site
location
does
look
pretty
bad
with
the
revitalization
of
North
Beach,
the
highway
improvements
that
we've
just
finished
and
the
new
ones
that
are
probably
coming
improvements
that
are
coming
through
Parks
and
Rec.
C
Everything
that's
happening
at
the
outlets.
I,
really
don't
see
why
this
project
shouldn't
be
next
and
I
was
really
excited
and
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
moment
to
see
that
it's
going
to
be
a
combination
of
healthcare,
space
and
Senior
Living
and
the
reason
I'm
really
excited
about.
This
is
my
first
few
days
in
San
Clemente
when
I
moved
here,
I
it.
This
town
is,
unlike
any
other
place.
I've
lived
and
I've
lived,
East,
Coast,
Midwest
kind
of
all.
C
Over
and
I
can
say
when
you
walk
up
and
down
the
streets
of
San
Clemente,
it's
different
people
say
hello
to
you.
The
shop
owners
get
to
know.
You
folks
know
my
dog,
anytime,
I've
got
visitors
or
guests
in
town
they're
treated
just
like
they
belong
here
and
should
have
always
been
here.
If
this
kind
of
thing
just
doesn't
happen,
I
call
it
my
Mayberry,
because
it
reminds
me
of
what
we
used
to
see
on
TV
and
that's
what
really
San
Clemente
is
all
about
the
community.
C
The
caring
are
palpable,
and,
with
that
said,
my
husband's
already
retired
and
I'm
about
10
years
out.
We
already
know
we
can't
stay
in
San
Clemente.
We
don't
want
the
burden
of
maintaining
a
structure
and
a
property.
We've
been
looking
for,
affordable
housing
that
we
can
start
to
gear
up
and
get
ready
to
move
into.
F
C
Schaefer
and
some
of
the
others
mentioning
I
hope,
I
got
that
name
right
when
I
hear
about
health
being
linked
to.
C
C
Of
the
medical
and
health
care
options
that
are
coming,
another
urgent
care
really
would
benefit.
There's
not
one
in
that
particular
location
of
the
city.
Having
access
close
to
the
seniors
is
amazing:
I've
been
a
nurse
over
30
years
and
I
can
tell
you.
Health
Care
is
important.
It
is
critically
important
to
seniors
and
to
have
it
accessible,
sometimes
just
getting
to
and
from
and
getting
to
the
services
that
you
need
can
really
make
a
difference
so
I.
Thank
you.
F
D
So
good
evening,
Council
and
Commissioners
we're
going
to
discuss
if
San
Clemente
wants
a
hospital
all
day
long.
We
can
also
discuss
if
San
Clemente
needs
a
hospital,
but
having
said
that,
wanting
and
needing
a
hospital
are
two
different
things,
and
even
if
both
these
things
are
true,
there
are
simply
no
providers
that
have
expressed
interest
in
this
operation.
D
That
location
did
they
fell
the
city
or
did
the
city
fell
them
when
Memorial
Care
expressed
interest
in
running
a
standalone
hospital
without
an
emergency
room,
the
city
rezoned
in
an
attempts
to
force
them
into
operation
and
Memorial
Care,
called
the
rough
and
close
their
doors.
We've
now
had
an
empty
building
for.
A
D
Good
evening,
Larry
Culbertson
resident
I
didn't
prepare
a
fancy
Spiel
because
I
didn't
I,
didn't
see
a
public
comment
on
the
agenda.
I
thought
it
was
just
a
study
session,
but
I
do
have
a
few
thoughts.
D
I
did
attend
two
of
the
three
design
review
committee
meetings
and
I
wish
everyone
who
spoke
tonight
had
done
so
it's
my
understanding
that
what
we're
really
here
about
is
the
design
of
the
building
I.
Think
that's
what
what
Planning
Commission
primarily
looks
at
and
I've
heard
of
a
lot
of
emotion
come
out
here
tonight
and
it
is
an
emotional
issue.
We
do
need
more
senior
housing,
but
the
trouble
is
what's
being
proposed
is
just
too
big
it's
outside
of
what
the
zoning
permits.
D
Zoning
in
that
area
is
three
stories.
They
want
to
go
for
density,
I,
don't
have
the
numbers
at
my
fingertips.
They
want
to
go
far
denser
than
what
is
allowed
the
height
45
limit
in
that
area.
They
want
to
go
60.,
there's
no
reason
we
have
to
do
this.
They
don't
need
250
units
to
make
money.
Look
at
riots,
Paradise,
look
at
some
of
the
other
senior
housing.
That's
already
been
approved
in
town.
You
could
do
this.
They
could
spread
that
out
a
little
bit
more.
D
It
doesn't
have
to
be
that
tall,
but
it's
just
too
big
and
we
need
to
look
look
at
other
options.
Encourage
more
housing
like
this
at
a
lower
density
spread
around
town
I
was
also
I,
also
brought
to
the
attention
of
the
design
review
team
that
the
staff
report
says
that
these
massing
and
scale
along
that
part
of
de
los
mares
is
in
keeping
with
what's
proposed.
D
It's
simply
not
true,
they
just
showed
a
a
one
of
their
diagrams
that
showed
a
couple
of
the
buildings
that
are
that
are
up
there
at
four
stories
and
one
of
them,
I
think,
is
at
five,
but
predominantly
it's
two-story
along
there.
So
this
is
not
in
scale
with
with
that
part
of
Avenida
de
los
mares.
So
please
don't
approve
anything.
This
big
you'll
be
setting
a
precedent
that
we'll
be
sorry
for
in
the
future.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mayor
council,
member
and
Planning
Commission.
Thank
you,
honorable
members
for
joining
us
and
giving
us
this
chance
to
speak.
I
operate
a
business
here
and
I
actually
have
three
team
members
that
live
in
San
Clemente
and
two
are
seniors.
Actually,
so
it's.
This
is
a
near
and
dear
thing
and
matter
of
fact,
one
of
our
clients
had
to
actually
move
from
San
Clemente
and
move
to
Santa
Ana.
D
She
lives
in
one
of
those
MacArthur
places.
You
know
those
nice
ones
and
she
goes.
This
is
not
the
beach,
she
could
see
the
beach,
but
this
is
not
San
Clemente.
You
know
and
she
would
have
loved
to
have
lived
here,
but
it
really
did
not
meet
her
needs.
She
needs
medical
she
needed
to
have
an
urgent
care,
or
at
least
a
doctor's
office
nearby.
D
So
she
moved
she
does.
She
regret
it.
We
kind
of
see
what
she
was
back
home.
She
moved
so
one
of
the
things
I'm
asking
you
is:
please
approve
this.
Please
help
yeah
I
get
the
zoning
I
get
that
I
do
but
we're
talking
about
trying
to
help
as
you've
heard
from
so
many
wonderful
speakers.
Today
they
didn't
come
out
emotional.
They
came
out
and
said
we're
doubling
our
seniors
population
and
our
senior
populations
are
citizens
that
live
right
here
in
Sacramento
that
want
to
stay
here.
Yeah
they're
going
to
sell
their
house
and
yeah.
D
They
want
to
be
able
to
live
out
the
rest
of
their
life,
they're
retiring
at
65.60,
and
so
if
they
want
to
be
able
to
continue
to
stay
here
and
be
a
part
of
this
community,
they
have
actually
a
lot
of
them
and
have
family
members
that
live
right
there
and
they
want
to
continue
living
that
experience
here
as
well.
So
thank
you.
D
F
D
Let's
just
do
something:
that's
not
it!
You
guys
have
thought
it
through.
There
is
emotion,
but
you
guys
paired
that
emotion
and
thought
it
through.
It
is
offering
us
a
really
good
solution
here
and
helping
the
community
and
helping
our
seniors
by
putting
a
wonderful
product
out
there
that
supports
our
citizens
here.
So,
thank
you
so
very
much.
G
Good
evening
my
name
is
John
conk
thanks
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
I'm
a
San
Clemente
resident
I
live
in
seapoint
Estates
on
Campania
and
I'm
in
favor
of
the
development
of
this
project
in
general.
However,
I
do
completely
agree
with
the
recommendations
of
the
designer
view.
Committee
I,
think
the
Project's
Too
Tall,
I,
think
exceeding
the
city's
45-foot
height
limit
is,
is
not
necessary.
Exceeding
the
three
stories
is
not
necessary
if
you
were
to
allow
Memorial
Care
to
exceed
those
those
limits.
G
I
think
they
should
should
conduct
a
story
poll
analysis
that
the
residents
who
live
above
the
project
can
can
see
and
understand
the
impacts
to
their
potential
views.
The
real
estate
values
of
the
homes
on
that
street
are
entirely
based
upon
their
views
of
the
ocean,
and
this
has
a
potential
to
block
some
of
those
views.
So
I
I
don't
agree
with
the
height
of
the
proposed
project,
but
I
do
like
the
project
and
want
it
to
go
forward
with
the
45-foot
height
limit.
G
G
It
was
not
a
part
of
any
of
that,
it
wasn't
discussed.
It
wasn't
a
part
of
those
documents.
It
was
public
review
of
the
environmental
impact
report.
It
wasn't
a
part
of
that
document.
Look
at
the
exhibits.
Look
at
all
the
language.
Look
at
the
technical
studies.
This
site
was
not
a
part
of
that
document.
It
was
slipped
in
at
the
last
second
right
before
it
was
certified,
but
it
was
not
analyzed
in
the
project.
You
can't
do
that.
G
G
It's
just
not
appropriate
to
tear
off
of
a
document
where
the
a
project
was
slipped
in
at
the
last
second,
without
any
public
review
or
any
analysis.
Look
at
the
traffic
report.
That's
part
of
the
technical
appendices
of
that
document.
It's
not
analyzed.
Look
at
the
aesthetic
section:
it's
not
analyze,
not
analyzed
anywhere.
The
word
mahrez,
the
name
of
the
street.
That's
located
on,
isn't
even
found
anywhere
in
the
in
that
eir,
except
the
name
of
the
street,
so
the
Project's
not
in
there.
It
was
slipped
in
I'm,
not
sure
how
that
happened.
G
But
everyone
who
lives
in
that
area
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
review
the
document
because
they
didn't
think
a
project
was
going
to
be
developed
in
that
area.
So
my
big
concerns
are
the
height
number
of
stories
and
the
SQL
document
and.
E
Thank
you
seeing
none
we'd
all
like
to
thank
you
for
coming
out
and
you're
certainly
welcome
to
stay.
Please
do
but
for
for
sharing
your
comments
and
your
thoughts
with
us
is
as
important
and
valuable.
E
E
You
know
I
think
primarily
focused
on
questions
related
to
fact.
Finding
about
the
the
project.
F
C
You
chairman,
on
the
subject
of
the
last
speaker,
Mr
conk.
Could
you
possibly
Cecilia
touch
upon
that
regarding
the
secret
document
and
why
this.
C
I'm
going
to
have
Jennifer
Savage
provide
you
with
the
details
regarding
the
eir
and
the
inclusion
of
this
project.
Okay,
thank.
F
You
thank
you
so
first
I
want
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
a
program.
I
programmatic,
eir
versus
a
Project
Specific
eir,
the
programmatic
eir,
looks
at
the
whole
of
the
potential
rezone
sites
that
we
were
considering
in
the
housing
element.
Those
sites
are
spread
across
the
city,
and
so
they
look
at
the
impacts
across
the
city
that
programmatic
eir
looked
at
a
number
of
housing
units
with
multiple
sites
that
we
then
started
to
reduce
based
on
feedback
from
the
Planning
Commission,
the
council
and
the
public.
F
That
big
picture
number
is
what
was
analyzed
in
the
technical
background
reports
such
as
those
traffic
analysis
and
after
the
draft
eir
was
published
during
the
public
comment
review
period
at
the
property
owner
for
this
site.
That's
before
you
this
evening
offered
through
a
letter
the
fact
that
they
would
be
interested
in
the
site
being
a
Housing
Opportunity
site.
It
was
then
added
to
the
potential
sites
for
rezoning
in
the
housing
element,
and
our
environmental
consultant
prepared
some
additional
analysis
for
that
site.
A
lot
largely
adding
it
to
the
programmatic
eir.
C
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
Jennifer
and
did
the
City
attorney
weigh
in
that.
F
C
F
C
To
touch
on
that,
because
I
was
very
concerned,
I
had
their
speaker,
Mr
conk,
mentioning
that.
A
D
D
B
F
Yeah
and
so
the
applicant
team
is
available
to
speak,
I
can't
remember
the
document
that
they
use,
but
there
is
a
specific
guide
for
parking
studies
specifically
shared
parking,
and
it
provides
ratios
for
assumptions
when
calculating
whether
shared
parking
is
appropriate
and
when
the
the
balance
of
parking
is
used
for
each
particular
use.
So
that
parking
study
will
use
that
that
professional
manual
and
show
the
calculations
based
on
the
time
of
day
and
the
number
of
units
and
the
square
footage
of
the
medical
office
use.
F
That's
correct,
and
so
our
zoning
code
allows
them
to
request
shared
parking.
They
do
have
to
provide
that
parking
study
and
what
the
parking
study
would
show
is
that
at
the
peak
use
of
parking,
so
at
the
the
time
of
day
the
day
of
the
week
where
the
parking
is
the
highest,
they
still
have
enough
parking
spaces
on
site
to
provide
both
for
the
residents,
the
guests
of
the
residents
and
the
medical
office.
F
It's
not
before
you
this
evening.
They
are
working
on
making
sure
that
it
is
refined
to
staff's
approval
level,
and
that
would
be
provided
to
you
at
your
public
hearing.
F
Yeah,
let
me
just
clarify
that,
so
the
traffic
impact
analysis
is
not
required
to
be
part
of
SQL
or
the
environmental
review.
It
is
required
for
our
project
review.
They
have
submitted
a
draft
and
the
staff
is
reviewing
that
draft
to
make
sure
it's
sufficient
and
covers
all
the
requirements
before
making
it
the
final
draft
and
providing
it
to
the
Planning
Commission.
F
B
F
Are
requesting
to
change
it
to
cc4?
It's
not
a
requirement!
It's
part
of
the
settlement
agreement
to
go
back
to
the
previous
zoning.
So
if
we
just
look
at
the
zoning,
that's
part
of
the
settlement
agreement
we
have
with
a
property
owner
once
that
is
that
rezone
is
considered.
That
zone
allows
for
the
request
for
senior
housing.
B
Okay,
so
it's
integral
correct.
So
what
they're
trying
to
do?
Okay,
so
the
cc4
Zone
has
specific
requirements,
I
guess
limitations,
I
should
say
for
far
number
of
stories:
height
amount
of
parking
required
all
three
of
those
right.
F
F
So
that's
two
pieces
and
then
the
third
piece
is
the
density
bonus
law.
There
is
a
a
part
2B
if
you
will,
where
they're.
If
you
look
at
the
senior
housing
project,
development
standards
There's
an
opportunity,
a
mechanism,
if
you
will
in
our
code
that
allows
the
applicant
to
request
an
increase
of
floor
area
ratio.
F
So
through
the
code,
the
applicant
can
request
an
increase
of
core
area
ratio,
Part,
B,
I'm,
sorry
part:
three,
the
density
bonus.
The
applicant
has
the
opportunity
to
request
concessions,
incentives
and
or
waivers,
and
it's
through
that
process,
that
the
applicant
is
requesting
exceptions
from
the
number
of
stories
that
are
in
the
development
standards.
F
I'm
sorry,
so
the
floor
area
ratio
is
the
limitation
in
the
base
zone
of
cc4
and
it
is
not
identified
specifically
as
a
development
standard
in
the
senior
housing
project
development
standards
until
you
get
to
the
section
that
talks
about
the
opportunity
to
ask
for
an
exception
for
an
increase
of
floor
area.
So
this
is
through
our
code.
I'm,
sorry
I,
don't
have
a
diagram.
F
So
cc4
based
zoning
allows
0.5
far.
Cc4
based
zoning
also
allows
with
a
conditional
use,
permit
a
request
for
senior
housing
senior
housing
states
that
floor
area
ratios
should
match
that
of
the
base.
Zoning,
except
that
per
the
section
for
an
increase
in
floor
area
ratio.
The
applicant
can
request
to
go
up
to
2.0
far.
B
F
B
F
B
F
Submittal!
Okay,
so
that
that
is
available
online
and
those
were
some
initial
analysis
done
by
staff
based
on
the
base.
Zoning
and
the
senior
housing
project
development
standards.
B
Okay,
I
think
that's
pretty
important
information
to
share
with
us.
Thank.
F
You
that
will
be
included
with
your
packet
for
the
Planning
Commission
public
hearing.
B
F
They
are
asking
for
three
and
four
stories,
so
partial
four
stories
through
the
density
bonus
law,
okay,.
B
F
Yeah,
so
if
you
take
a
look
at
your
what's
in
your
packet
and
the
development
plans,
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
elevations,
the
applicant
has
been
working
closely
with
drsc
to
to
modify
those
elevations,
and
the
residential
portion
has
one
two
three
and
four
story
elements.
F
F
If
you
look
at
the
port
co-share
it's
identified
by
a
red
circle
with
the
number
one
and
an
arrow.
B
F
Don't
have
a
percentage
before
you
this
evening
and
the
applicant
is
continuing
to
work
on
the
elevations,
so
the
ultimate
percentage
that
comes
before
the
Planning,
Commission
and
Council
might
be
slightly
different.
H
E
G
We
haven't
made
any
final
decisions
on
that
in
terms
of
how
we're
going
to
structure
it.
What
we
are
committed
to
is
because
we've
got
the
medical
office
building
right
next
door.
You
know
we're
going
to
be
neighbors,
so
I
do
expect
that
we
will
have
some
kind
of
continuing
interest,
but
obviously
we're
not
in
the
business
of
of
owning
or
operating
residential
communities.
So
I
expect
that
we'll
have
somebody
in
it's.
A
G
Residential
yeah
we
did
this,
is
it
actually
is
a
somewhat
novel
concept?
That's
gotten
coverage,
because
more
and
more
health
systems
are
looking
at
these
types
of
developments,
for
the
very
reasons
that
we've
laid
out.
So
this
would
be
a
first
for
Memorial
care,
but
not
necessarily
a
first
anywhere.
G
You
know
mayor
we
haven't
again,
we
haven't
set
a
timetable
for
that
either.
We've
been
so
focused
on
getting
to
this
point
and
then
moving
forward
from
here
I
think.
Once
we
get
a
a
final
on
the
project,
we
will
sit
down
and
evaluate
how
we
want
to
go
about
identifying
a
partner
that
would
would
work
to
actually
do
the
development
and
then
also
operate
the
facility,
as
the
staff
knows.
G
Among
the
things
that
we're
negotiating
with
the
city
is
the
development
agreement
and
the
terms
of
that
development
agreement,
which,
of
course,
would
be
binding
on
any
subsequent
operator
as
well.
I
I
As
do
we,
of
course,
you
do
yeah
Mr
Camp.
Thank
you
for
indulging
me
no.
B
Absolutely
I'm
just
about
done
here
with
my
questions,
which
I
don't
know.
Some
some
more
may
come
up
one
of
the
documents
that
we
got
in
our
package
attachment
one
from
hunsaker
and
Associates
states
that
this
project
suits
the
neighborhood
and
style
size
and
function
as
being
one
of
their
goals,
I
guess
for
the
project,
and
also
that
the
project
is
properly
scaled
and
creates
an
attractive
Street
Scene
along
Community
Los
Mares.
B
Well,
this
is
actually
a
question.
We
we've
looked
at
this
project
three
times
at
the
designer
View
subcommittee
and
each
time
we
I
think
we're
pretty
clear
that
it's
it's
a
it's
out
of
scale,
it's
too
big,
and
yet
it
kept
coming
back
as
the
same
size,
same
number
of
units,
same
density.
Is
there
a
reason
for
that
I
mean
it?
Was
that
I
mean?
Where
do
we
get?
Where
do
we
get
250
units?
And
why
is
that
an
absolute
necessity?
Yeah.
G
I
I
think
we
stand
by
the
the
statements
in
the
submission
that
the
project,
as
laid
out,
is
consistent
with
the
community
plan
and
the
architecture
Etc.
As
far
as
the
number
of
units
goes,
you
know
that
kind
of
Harkens
to
what
I
spoke
to
at
the
very
beginning
of
the
session
tonight
in
terms
of
approaching
this,
as
as
a
way
to
solve
a
number
of
competing
interests
within
the
city,
including
the
need
to
maximize
the
number
of
units
so
that
the
city
can
meet
its
obligations
under
Rena.
G
And
so,
if
you
start,
if
you
look
at
the
progression
in
the
housing
element
that
was
submitted
a
year
ago,
I
don't
have
that
number
exactly
in
front
of
me.
But
I
think
it
was
over
300
units.
G
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
we
came
in
at
250
because
we
wanted
to
stay
consistent
with
the
general
feel
of
that
community
and
of
that
area,
and
so
at
250
IT
maximizes
the
number
of
units
that
the
city
is
also
seeking
to
maximize
under
the
state
law,
and
then
it
also
enhances
the
number
of
the
seniors
that
that
would
be
able
to
live
there.
B
A
So
some
of
my
concerns
I
heard
a
lot
about
this
being
affordable
housing
you
know
and
for
our
residents
to
live
in
and
all
that
the
affordable
portion
that
we're
talking
about
is
13
units.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Okay?
So
the
balance
is
not
affordable
in
in
category
and
we
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
charge
for
those
units.
Do
we?
No?
So
none
of
the
speakers
that
spoke
today,
there's
no
price
point
for
any
of
these,
yet
correct.
Okay,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
that.
F
The
study
session
does
not
require
the
surrounding
property
notification.
Okay,.
A
There's
a
consistent
there's,
a
lack
of
the
surrounding
Property
Owners
at
this
today,
so
I
I
wondered
that,
because
I
thought
they
would
probably
want
to
be
here
for
this,
the
one
thing
that
I
don't
understand
is
the
order
of
approvals
or
the
sequencing
of
this
project.
A
I
really
can't
think
when
those
are
going
off
at
all
250
units
in
a
medical
center
they're
all
one
lot
that
we're
asking
for
all
these
they're
asking
for
all
these
exceptions,
far
Building
height
and
the
parking
to
share
the
parking
with
the
other
ones.
I
do
understand
shared
parking
with
with
other
areas,
but
then
they're
asking
at
the
end
for
a
lot
split,
so
I'm
confused
because
normally
I
would
see.
A
F
Are
and-
and
certainly
we
apologize
if
we've
confused
the
matter,
the
the
tentative
personal
map
is
part
of
the
proposal
and
we
can
certainly
list
that
towards
the
top,
so
that
you
see
more
of
the
bigger
picture
applications.
Maybe
it's
the
general
plan,
Amendment
zoning
Amendment
tentative
parcel
map
and
then
we
go
into
the
specific
architectural
conditional
insight,
I.
A
Think
that
would
make
more
sense
and
let
us
be
able
to
to
read
it
better
because
there's
just
so
many
exceptions
to
this
and
the
applicant
certainly
enlisted
all
the
entitlements
which
I
appreciate
in
in
their
their
letter.
A
But
it's
it's
a
lot
of
different
things
that
this
city
is
agreeing
to
that.
We're
also
up
here
sitting
that
we're
going
to
agree
to
I'm
gonna,
say
some
things
that
I
need
to
see
because
I
heard
that
before
I'm
not
saying
what
I
think
about
anything,
it's
just
what
I
think
I
need
to
see.
A
A
The
condition
of
approval
is,
let's
see,
I
wrote
a
lot
of
notes.
Here.
A
A
I
can't
do
that
without
that-
and
this
is
just
it's
it's
too
big
for
me
to
be
able
to
imagine
that
and
just
look
at
this,
so
I'm
gonna
just
state
that
that's
probably,
that
should
be
something
that
we
all
need
to
see
and
I
think
the
residents
around
need
to
see
I
just
think
we
can't
make
any
findings
of
knowing
negative
impacts.
If
we
don't
have
that
for
this,
this
project,
it's
just
a
new
new
thing
that
we're
going
into.
A
Let's
see
I
also
want
in
the
report
when
it
comes
back
into
the
Planning
Commission,
if
possible,
to
have
a
list
of
all
the
required
findings
that
we
have
to
make
in
order
to
do
these
exceptions
each
one,
because
it's
it's
confusing
when
you
see
that
the
Zone,
the
cc4
we're
going
to,
has
a
45
foot
height
a
plate
height
of
37,
and
then
they
are
of
0.5
and
a
maximum
three
story,
and
then
we're
going
to
look
at
something
else,
the
entitle
or
a
density
bonus
and
we're
going
to
give
them
this
other
part.
A
You
know-
and
we
can't
look
at
it
and
all
that
it's
that
is
all
confusing
of
how
we're
doing
that.
I
also
am
concerned
that
we
don't
have
a
a
traffic
study.
Yet
I
am
concerned
about
the
Right
Turn
Only,
and
then
it
sounded
like
I
heard
that
the
project
the
people
are
gonna
have
to
turn
around
at
that
light
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
that
is
that
the
light
at
the
intersection
for
C
Point
Estates
is
that
where
people
would
turn
okay?
F
The
traffic
signal
it
shares
the
intersection
with
San
Clemente
Villas
to
the
South
and
then
across
from
that
entrance.
Our
office
buildings.
A
A
F
On
if
you're
looking
at
your
pocket
the
sheet
L1,
it
doesn't
show
it
in
its
entirety,
but
there's
two
entrances
there's
one
at
the
left
side
right
and
that's
the
right
right
in
right
out.
Only
if
you
go
to
the
right
of
the
site
plan
is
where
the
signalized
intersection
is.
B
F
That's
going
to
share
the
signalized
entrance
with
San
Clemente
Villas
and
then
across
from
that
is
the
The
Office
Buildings.
Okay,.
A
So
we
need
to
see
how
that
works.
I'm
I,
think
the
traffic
study
should
consider
not
just
the
traffic
from
there
to
the
freeway
back
and
forth,
at
250
units
or
400
adults,
I
think
I,
seniors,
I
heard,
but
also
consider
Forster,
Ranch
and
and
any
of
the
developments
passed
there
that
that
cross
this.
That
should
be
in
the
the
traffic
study.
So
if,
if
those
can
be
answered,
I
think
that
would
help
me
a
lot
and
I
it
I'm.
You
know
I'm
happy
to
hear
it
clarified.
A
It's
13,
affordable
units
because
we
heard
a
lot
about
affordable.
The
last
question
I
have:
is
there
any
limit?
Is
this
a
San
Clemente
precedence
for
San
Clemente
residents,
because
I
heard
a
lot
about
how
this
is
going
to
help
San
Clemente
residents?
Is
there
a
preference
for
that
or
foreign
yeah
I?
Think
that's
it
just.
Is
it
a
local
preference,
because
I
I
don't
understand
how
if
we
offer
this
to
seniors
and
I
heard
a
lot
about
Orange
County,
they
all
move
in
they're
55.
F
So
the
affordable
units,
the
residents
that
are,
are
offered
the
opportunity
to
move
in
go
through
a
point
system
through
the
application
process
and
extra
points
are
provided
for
people
that
live
or
definitely
Liv,
I,
don't
know
if
they
get
extra
points
for
working,
but
they
do
the
way
that
the
application
process
works
is
providing
a
connection
to
the
community
and
giving
those
applicants,
preference,
okay,.
D
J
Thought
I
would
thank
you
just
stay
in
line
with
councilmember
Wards
ideas
to
clarify
what
would
be
helpful.
First
of
all
on
the
parking
study
to
me,
the
parking
exception
is
unclear
without
the
study.
The
document
from
the
architect
talks
about
up
to
400
residents.
J
Then
you've
got
the
employees,
visitors,
Health,
Care
Providers,
then
you
have
the
Urgent
Care
Medical's
office,
their
employees
and
customers,
and
so
I
think
it's
very
important
that
that
traffic
study
would
show
us
the
assumptions
around
all
the
vehicle
trip
analysis
coming
in
and
out
along
with
that
time
of
day,
because,
obviously,
during
the
peak
time
during
the
day,
the
medical
center
office
is
going
to
be
having
a
lot
of
people
coming
in
and
then
what
are
those
hours
of
operation?
Are
they
24
hours
a
day
or
they
shut
down
at
what
time?
J
The
shared
parking
is
a
concern
in
the
event
that
there
are
no
spare
spots.
Where
do
people
go?
There's
no
options
really.
There's
the
neighboring
Assisted
Living
care,
which
that
would
be
a
disaster.
You
don't
want
people
going
across
the
street
that
would
be
disaster.
J
There's
no
on-street
parking
that
just
leaves
the
shopping
center,
so
I
think
we
have
to
get
this
one
right
and
we
have
to
get
the
number
right,
and
so
it
really
is
going
to
hinge
on
that
study.
It's
going
to
hinge
on
all
those
assumptions
and
really
understanding
time
of
day
Peak
versus
non-peak.
All
of
that,
because
when
you're
living
here
I
mean
that's,
you
know
you're
coming
in
and
out
so
I
I,
just
that
really
important.
Okay.
The
other
thing
I'd
like
to
understand
on
parking
is
the
LA.
J
You
lot
utilization
are
we
you
know
in
terms
of
going
up
doubt
to
the
lot
line,
because
there
is
a
slope
towards
the
freeway
and
it's
unclear
when
I
look
at
the
map,
how
much
utilization
is
there
and
how
much
is
there
a
back
setback
to
the
Caltrans
right
away?
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
space
additional
space
there,
where
we
could
have
another
row
of
parking,
so
that
would
be.
It
would
be
helpful
to
really
understand
lot
utilization
and
to
council
member
Ward's
points
around
the
parcel
split.
J
Once
that
parcel
split
happens,
you
know
that
shared
parking
agreement
is
going
to
be
nice
on
paper,
but
the
reality
is
now.
We
have
two
different
parties
that
are
going
to
have
Point
start
finger,
pointing
so
think
it's
important
to
understand,
as
she
said,
the
whole
sequence
of
things
and
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
agreements
at
the
right
Point,
especially
if
the
property
sold
later.
J
J
I'm,
seeing
another
other
numbers
up
in
the
50s
50
59s.
Some
of
the
residents
spoke
tonight,
thought
it
was
59
or
60..
So
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
on
the
hype
and
I
think
that
should
be
very,
very
clear
to
commissioner
Kemp's
point.
There
really
is
a
lot
of
ambiguity
in
the
far
where
that
and
and
the
Nexus
to
the
bonus
I'm
I'm,
not
understanding
the
Nexus
of
jumping
up
an
far
from
0.5
to
2.
That's
a
big
increase.
J
J
Maybe
you
know
I'd
like
to
understand
if
we
have
other
options
to
push
back
right
and
I
as
part
of
that
I,
don't
know
where
the
development
agreement
Falls
as
part
of
this
or
if
it's
separate,
but
the
five
percent
very
affordable,
very
affordable
is
awesome,
but
that
means
basically
237
are
market
rate
and
typically,
when
we're
in
a
process
of
doing
bonus
densities,
we
can
look
at
additional,
not
just
very
affordable.
We
could
look
at
affordable
and
very
affordable
and
so
I
wonder
what
leverage
the
city
has
to
come
back
and
say.
J
Okay,
you
want
to
do
five
percent
great
how
about
five
percent
very
affordable?
How
about
five
percent
and
on
top
of
that
five
percent?
Affordable
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
do
those
kinds
of
back
and
forth
or
if
it's
just
mandated
by
the
mechanics
of
the
state
law
and
its
statutes
for
the
bonus
density,
so
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
all
unpacked.
So
we
really
understand
how
that
works.
J
The
other
thing
would
be
to.
It
would
be
helpful
to
understand
how
this
compares
to
the
neighboring
Assisted
Living.
When
I
look
at
that
project,
it
appears
to
me
that
they
are
maintaining
a
level
height,
but
they
do
have
varying
stories
and
I
think
they
achieve
that
through
the
slope
of
the
site
and
they
slope
it
down
to
maintain
a
level
of
roof
line
while
providing
an
extra
story
and
I
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
an
if
that's
being
proposed
here.
J
The
diagrams
here
don't
really
show
grades,
and
if
you
look
at
the
current
site
of
the
abandoned
hospital,
it
appears
to
be
below
grade.
If
you're
standing
on
the
sidewalk
you're
looking
down
the
door
to
enter
is
lower.
It's
not
at
Street
grade
and
I.
Don't
know
if
this
is
going
to
be
changed
when
the
site's
demolished
and
if
it's
all
at
grade
or
are
we
going
to
see
a
similar
below
grade
and
again,
but
could
we
look
at
maybe
lowering
the
height
of
the
building,
giving
them
the
four
stories?
J
If
there
was
a
slope,
a
slope
decrease
on
the
back
and
it
would
all
be
level
now.
Those
bottom
units
would
then
be
below
grade.
It
would
be
a
little
you
know,
maybe
not
as
desirable,
but
that's
how
exactly
how
it
is
next
door.
Those
below
grade
units
have
a
little
bit
of
a
different.
You
know
situation,
A
carve
out
for
their
window,
and
so
that's
a
question.
It
would
be
nice
to
see
I
would
I'll
Echo
the
whole
story
poll
thing.
J
That
would
be
huge,
another
thing
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
too
expensive
or
but
you
know,
a
model
of
this
particular
project
would
be
helpful.
Because.
The
actual
renderings
here
when
I
was
sitting
through
design
review
I
found
very
challenging
because
it's
all
one-dimensional
and
it's
very
difficult
to
understand
the
Massey
and
I
I
was
able
to
follow
the
the
architect.
Explain
we're
pulling
the
masking
back
here.
Oh
we're
we're
do
making
a
jog
over
there,
but
that's
a
lot
of
analysis
and
work
to
to
track
that.
J
If
there
was
a
model
that
the
public
could
look
at
and
see.
Oh
hey,
the
massing
is
not
all
this.
You
know
right
here,
it's
it
does
change
it's.
There
are
setbacks
within
the
building
and
we
could
see
those
roof
lines.
Yeah
I,
don't
know
the
expense
I,
don't
know
if
that's
appropriate,
but
I
would
just
throw
that
out
to
the
applicant.
That
would
be
a
very
helpful
thing
to
have
and
see
the
other
thing.
J
With
regards
to
the
site
study
that
you
mentioned
traffic
impact
analysis,
noise,
I
didn't
write
all
those
points
down,
but
I
don't
know
if
soils
is
going
to
be
part
of
that,
but
it
should
be
because
there's
a
lot
of
caissons
currently
on
that
site
and
there's
a
lot
on
the
site
next
door,
and
that
would
be
very
important,
I
think
to
the
applicant
to
do
include
selling
study
if
they
haven't
already
so
I
did
I
didn't
hear
it.
I
didn't
see
it
in
the
list,
so
I
just
wanted
to
call
it
out.
J
J
I
was
trying
to
compare
those
two
and
then,
when
I
overlay,
any
state
law
bonus
density,
trying
to
make
that
whole
thing
line
up
in
a
line
confusing
and
I'd
like
to
understand
where
the
city
has
discretionary
Authority
in
that
in
those
differences
in
the
municipal
code
interpretation
and
that's
where
I
was
getting
at
unpacking
that
state
density
this
is
mandated.
This
is
in
our
discretion.
I
I
Any
discussions
about
a
hospital
ever
going
there
simply
is
is
is
whistling
past
the
graveyard
we
live
in,
fortunately,
I
think
we
still
live
in
a
capitalist
society
that
changes
every
day,
but
nonetheless,
we
I
think
we
live
in
a
capitalist
society
and
a
hospital
simply
doesn't
pencil
out
in
in
San
Clemente
and
we
need
to
stop
looking
in
the
rear
view,
mirror
look
forward
and
what
is
the
best
use
of
that
property
for
those
who
can't
do
that?
I
suggest
they
read
Adam
Smith
from
the
18th
century.
I
You'll
learn
a
lot
so,
but
a
couple
things
I
do
want
to
I.
I
do
want
to
be
recognized
our
taxpayers
and
citizens
who
live
and
see
See
Summit
and
recognize
that,
yes,
you
know
we
need
to
protect
their
views.
We
need.
We
need
to
protect
their
property
values.
I
I,
don't
know
Jennifer.
Is
there
a
pro?
You
know
short
of
putting
up
story,
polls
and
I
know
that's
going
to
be
a
six-figure
investment.
I
Is
there
some
sort
of
computer
program?
You
know
that
truck.
You
know
that
looks
at
individual
properties
and
how
their
views
will
be
impacted.
F
Yes
and
in
fact,
the
section
of
our
Municipal
Code
that
mentions
story
polls,
it
talks
about
visual
analysis
by
other
means,
such
as
models
such
as
simulations
computer
systems
and
the
applicant
has
has
used
the
alternative
means
to
provide
specific
visual
impacts
to
the
surrounding
residential
neighborhoods.
I
I
should
correct
myself
the
uphill
residential
neighborhoods.
The
applicant
has
provided
copies
of
those
simulations
and
they're
available
here.
If
I
could
pass
them
out
to
the
commission
and
Council.
I
I
While
you're
doing
that,
you
know
I
I
do
think
we
need
to
get
those
neighbors
to
a
level
of
comfort
and
I
would
like.
I
would
like
to
know
how
much
if
we
can't
get
there
for
ourselves,
I,
don't
know
what
is
the
cost
Miss
Savage
of
story
polls
for
this
project.
I
F
F
And
something
to
consider
with
the
story
polls
is
it's
because
of
the
footprint
of
the
building
and
I'm
I'm
I
have
other
copies
and
I'll
continue
to
pass
them
out
to
the
commission,
Council
they're
the
the
mechanism
to
be
able
to
provide
story
polls
for
all
the
whole
footprint.
It
means
that
it's
more
complex
than
just
a
single
fan
of
story,
poles
for
a
single
family
line,
so
the
the
visual
impact
of
the
temporary
story
pools
would
be
quite
considerable.
I
I
If
there
is
enough
parking-
and
so
you
have
the
Villas
of
San
Clemente
right
right
next
door,
will
they
be
vying
for
for
each
other's
parking
spots
and
how
is
that
that
going
to
work
out
so
I
do
have
some
concern
with
that,
and
the
last
thing
we
want
is
people
having
to
park
across
the
street
and
and
walk
across
Camino
de
las
maras,
because
sooner
or
later,
that's
going
to
have
a
catastrophic
result.
I
I
I
might
be
too
late.
I
I'm,
gonna,
Echo,
Mr
Cosgrove's
notion
of
it
would
be
great
to
have
a
model.
I
That
would
be
a
wonderful
thing
thing
to
see
and
then
my
last
question
and
I'll
I'll
shut
up
and
I'll
go
back
to
the
Adam
Smith
Books
The
Wealth
of
Nations.
My
my
last
question
is:
what
are
the
do?
We
know
what
the
heights
at
the
Villas
of
San
Clemente,
what
that
is.
F
Yeah
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant
this
evening
on
their
presentation
and.
F
I
B
H
No,
we
have
not
been
personally
invited
to
their
backyards,
but
what
we
did
was
was
we
took
Google
Earth,
which
is
a
pretty
respectable
platform
that
you
know
has
these
Aerials
and
they
have
toppo
on
there
that's
fairly
accurate
to
what's
out
there.
I
mean
they
use
very
accurate
points,
and
so
we
took
one
from
each
one
of
those
backyards
and
if
you
look
through
the
package,
you'll
notice
that
most
of
the
higher
elevation
homes,
the
the
impact
on
their
views,
are,
are
minimal.
H
If
any,
it's
where
you
get
down
to
the
lower
homes
on
that
street,
where
there's
impact
and
I
believe
there's
impact
to
about
two
of
them
that
may
impact
the
Blue
Water
views,
but
for
the
most
part,
the
the
houses
that
are
higher
up
on
the
hill.
Some
of
them
don't
even
view
out
over
our
project.
In
fact,
some
of
the
lower
homes
are
looking
out
towards
the
South,
and
some
of
them
are
looking
out
towards
the
north.
So,
okay.
B
G
G
We
we
we
didn't,
do
it
because
we
didn't
want
to
invade
their
privacy.
We
didn't
want
to
you
know
we
we
took
publicly
available
sources
to
generate.
What's
been
distributed
to
you.
We
have
shared
those
with
some
property
owners
that
have
inquired.
If
we
had
a
meeting
with
the
homeowners
association
there
and
we
had
copies
of
some
of
those
simulations
available,
but
bottom
line
is,
we
will
be
more
than
happy
to
provide
them
with
a
specific
simulation
from
their
property
and
we
can
put
them
in
contact
with
the
right
people
to
get
that
done.
F
I
I
can
definitely
put
stop,
can
put
anyone
who's
interested
in
touch
with
the
applicant
team.
D
We
Dash
1-2.
This
perspective
is
building
one.
It's
another
question
on
elevations
building
one
sit
higher
than
building
two,
because
it's
hard
in
this
are
they
showing
what
their
original
was
or
is
that
the
actual
building?
One?
That's
above
this
east
side
view
which
would
be
from
like
the
the
Villas
next
door,
a.
H
D
B
H
There
are
no
other
than
the
the
stair
tower
that
comes
up
to
provide,
exiting
and.
H
F
D
F
You
yeah
and
I
if
I
Steph
could
just
clarify
around
the
the
zoning,
there
is
a
settlement
agreement
that
went
through
the
court,
it's
part
of
litigation
and
it
requires
the
city
to
rezone
the
property.
F
So
something
for
for
consideration
is
that
your
base,
starting
point,
should
really
be
the
cc4
zoning.
D
D
D
F
Yeah,
so
we
we
do
have
to
rezone
it
to
to
away
from
the
RMF.
However,
the
RMF
Regional
Medical
Facility
zoning
designation,
Still
Remains
in
our
general
plan
and
our
zoning
code,
which
means
that
if
there
is
a
property
elsewhere
in
the
city,
that
someone
would
want
to
develop
a
hospital
on
there's
that
mechanism
that
would
allow
them
to
rezone
a
different
property
for
regional
medical
facilities.
D
I
So,
council,
member
Duncan
and
I
spent
the
last
two
years
doing
this
and
we
have
identified
properties
that
would
be
acceptable
and,
however,
no
entity
be
it
public.
A
health
care,
District
or
private
operator
showed
an
interest
in
building
a
hospital
in
San,
Clemente
short
of
the
city
of
San
Clemente
funding,
the
entire
thing
and
then
guaranteeing
the
the
operation
of
that
hospital
that
that
entity
wouldn't
lose
money.
We
spent
two
years
doing
that.
I
We've
come,
you
know,
we've
come,
you
know,
we've
we
turned
over
every
Rock,
we
look
behind
every
door
and
simply
couldn't
find
someone
to
operate
a
hospital
with
that
being
said,
any
group
of
citizens
could
form
a
form
of
political
action
committee,
create
a
group
and
get
a
on
the
ballot,
the
the
formation
of
a
health
care
District.
They
could
go
to
our
neighboring
cities
and,
and
do
that
I,
don't
think
our
we.
You
know
Chris
and
I,
reached
out
to
neighboring
cities.
I
If
you've
spoke
with
Dana
Point
they'd,
they
would
say
no
we've
we've
got
a
hospital,
you
know
in
South,
Laguna
Beach.
If
you
speak
with
San
Juan
Capistrano
they'd
say
no.
We
have
a
hospital
in
Mission
Viejo,
so
no
one,
no
neighboring
City,
really
had
interest
in
in
joining
us
in
the
possib.
Even
looking
at
the
possibility
of
the
creation
of
the
healthcare
district
and
I'm
and
I
mean
that's
I,
don't
think
I'd
be
in
favor
of
that.
I
D
Because
I
come
from
a
city
that
there
was
a
foundation
established
in
the
50s
that
had
negotiations
with
the
city
within
the
city
identified
a
piece
of
property.
The
city
floated
the
bonds
and
you
know
not
gave
it
to
rent
it
to
the
foundation
on
100
or
50-year
lease
with
an
additional
50
of
the
council,
approved
for
a
dollar
a
year
and
that
hospital
is
still
existing.
Although
a
current
operator
did
buy
out
the
lease,
and
now
they
own
the
property
I.
D
I
D
And
you
know
we
should
be
looking
if
we
are
worthy
of
our
nickels
and
dimes
of
whatever
property
could
be
because
I
think
there
are
ideas
out
there
that
it
could.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
an
awesome.
District
Downey
was
not
a
Hospital
District,
but
the
city
didn't
have
to
guarantee
payment
of
the
bonds
on
default
and
it
never
occurred
sure.
D
A
Have
we've
had
three
councils
actually
councils
in
my
time
here,
but
we
did
actually
Zone
the
entire
city.
C
Allowing
anyone
during
that
time
and
the
City
attorney
could
better
indicate
it's
probably
exactly
when
that
was,
but
no
one.
A
Came
forward
so
we
actually
allowed
any
opportunity
and
we
formally.
C
Okay
yeah,
so
it
kind
of
umbrella,
so
it
was
only
you
could
go
anywhere
and
we
gave
that
a
full
year
and
no
one
came
forward
in
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
to
what
mayor
James
was
saying,
because
subsequently.
A
The
committee
also
looked
at
that
as
well,
so
there
has
been
no
relief
unturned
so
to
speak
in
this
effort.
Thank.
I
I
Inpatient
care
is
a
is,
is
not
what
it
was
in
the
50s
60s
70s
80s
or
even
in
the
90s
or
even
in
the
early
2000s
people
get
major
surgery
and
they're
home
that
that
night,
so
having
a
hospital
for
any
entity
looking
at
a
hospital
is
looking
at
the
fact
that
inpatient
care
is
going
to
be
a
loser
for
them
and
that's
what
is
driving
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
any
interest
from
any
entity
in
running
a
hospital
in
San
Clemente.
I
D
Yeah,
just
real
quick.
This
would
be
a
question
for
or
City
attorney
one
the
zone
change
is
a
done
deal
correct.
D
This,
as
was
explained
earlier
under
the
settlement
agreement
with
the
court,
the
city
has
to
rezone.
There
are
three
choices:
one
is
to
rezone
the
property
percent
to
this
application.
The
second
one
is
to
leave
the
zoning
as
it
is,
but
the
city
has
to
carry
the
cost
of
maintaining
and
securing
the
property
for
that
duration
or,
as
Jennifer
indicated,
letting
it
revert
to
the
prior
zoning,
which
I
don't
think
anybody
wants
that
the
city
has
moved
off
that
and
the
applicant's
not
interested
in
it,
because
it
can't
pursue
these
these
goals.
Okay.
D
Well,
one
thing:
that's
different
than
the
city
councils.
Responsibility
on
this,
the
Planning
Commission
looks
at
this
project.
Anonymously
doesn't
matter
who
the
applicant
is
at
all,
whether
it's
and
we
find
out
they're
going
to
sell
off
the
residential
portion
of
it,
which
I
totally
understand.
D
F
Yes,
so
they
would
be
able
to
have
297
units.
F
Right
and
just
to
clarify
the
cc4,
the
re
allows
residential
if
it's
a
senior
housing
project
and
so
for
any
senior
housing
project
in
the
cc4
they're
allowed
45
dual
units
per
acre
and.
D
H
D
F
We
can
we
can
work
on
providing
that
information
in
the
future,
because.
D
I'm
trying
to
justify
if
they
can
meet
all
the
requirements.
This
is
a
slam
dunk,
but
they're
asking
for
so
many
exceptions.
Is
it
just
to
maximize
density,
to
make
more
money
and
make
it
and
that's
not
a
something
we
can
base
our
decisions
on?
That's
not
a
we
face
it
on
land
use
and
compatibility
with
the
ordinances
and
whether
it's
financially
feasible
or
not.
That's
not
in
our
equation.
D
No,
if
I
could
mayor
and
chair
that
they
might
make
more
money
is
not
part
of
the
commission's
purview,
that's
right
or
the
councils
that
these
exceptions
are
necessary
to
provide
the
affordable
housing
that
they're
committing
to
is
important
and
and
I.
Don't
think.
You've
had
that
dialogue
and
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
place
with
the
applicant
to
have
them
assert
forcefully
and
emphatically
that
this
footprint
and
this
height
and
this
many
stories
are
necessary
for
them
to
to
make
the
affordability
commitments
once
they
do.
That
then
you're
right.
D
The
discretion
that
we
normally
use
is
curtailed
and
preempted
by
a
state
legislature
that
concluded
that
at
any
price
or
with
any
impact,
sequa
doesn't
apply
and
the
normal
limitations
that
you're
discussing
haven't
applied.
So
I
appreciate
the
dialogue
tonight
about
and
the
discussion
that
that
you've
prompted
about
what
the
Planning
Commission
might
normally
do
and
what
it
might
do,
Under
This
preemptive
umbrella
and
that
that's
difficult
and
we've
talked
about
that
with
staff
by
the
time
it
gets
to
the
city
council.
D
The
council's
burdened
with
with
the
whole
package,
the
preemptive
cram
down
and
what
looks
or
feels
nice
traditionally
in
town
and
and
we're
we're
going
to
get
to
that.
But
but
there's
a
dialogue
and
a
dance
to
speak
bluntly.
That
needs
to
happen
with
with
the
applicant
owner
and
for
us
to
make
our
decisions
at
the
Planning
Commission.
We
need
to
know
how
much
leeway
you
have
and
when
they
say,
there's
a
story,
exemption
or
exception
that
they
want
to
take.
D
F
State
law
it
was
modified
and
and
now
stands
to
a
point
where,
if
the
applicant
provides
a
certain
level
of
affordability,
in
this
case,
five
percent
very
low,
they
are,
if
they
request,
so
they
are
provided
a
mechanism
to
to
exceed
the
height.
In
this
case,
and
we
we
don't,
have
the
ability.
D
E
Commissioner
Crandall
yes,
we'd
like
to
cut
off
your
time
for
the
moment
and
take
a
few
minute
break
I'm.
Looking
at
the
clock
there,
it's
7
12.!
Why
don't
we
reconvene
at
7
20.
F
E
I'm
gonna
reconvene,
the
meeting
Jennifer
is
the
recording
in
progress.
E
C
Jennifer
I
have
a
I,
have
a
question
for
you,
so
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
this
density,
bonus,
loss
and
I'm
reading
a
couple
of
definitions
here,
and
it
says
it
does
apply
to
senior
housing
and
it
permits
a
developer
to
increase
the
maximum
allowable
honest
site
in
exchange
for
support
for
the
specified
public
policy.
And
then
you
want
me
to
yell
and
then
it
talks
about
areas
that
are
specific,
such
as
parking
zoning
I,
don't
see
hiding
here,
but
I'm
curious.
C
If
I'm,
you
know,
reading
the
whole
bill
Also
it
talks
about
about
the
affordable
units
can
be
sold
to
a
non-profit,
they
don't
have
to
be
sold
to
the
public
and
then
the
non-profit
is
the
broker,
which
really
doesn't
concern
the
Planning
Commission.
But
that
was
just
something
that
was
in
it
and
then
It
also
says
that
it
addresses
the
footprint.
So
that's,
basically
what
the
Planning
Commission
does
is
look
at
this.
C
Looking
at
all
of
this
again,
it
also
says
that
the
law
was
just
recently
changed
at
the
beginning
of
this
year,
so
I
want
to
know
what
the
change
is
and
then
my
second
question
is
the
VMT
I
see
that
the
vehicle
miles
traveled
there
was
an
analysis
or
is
there
going
to
be
an
analysis,
and
why
would
that
play
with
a
project
and
then
I'm?
Sorry,
my
questions
are
out
of
order.
What
is
the
benefit
to
our
applicant
for
using
the
density
bonus
loss
with
their
benefit?
What's
the
benefit
to
your
city?
F
So
I'll
take
your
check.
Second
question.
First,
the
vehicle
miles
traveled
there
will
be
an
analysis
for
that
and
when
sequa
law
changed
to
no
longer
require
the
traffic
impact
analysis,
it
added
the
requirement
for
vehicle
miles
traveled,
so
that
will
that
is
required
and
will
be
part
of
the
SQL
review.
Now.
C
When
we're
talking
about
vehicle
miles
traveled
is
that
the
the
residents
traveling.
C
F
Is
all
trips,
so
they
calc
vehicle
miles?
Traveled
calculates
the
start
point
and
the
end
point
the
end
point
for
trips,
both
within
the
city
boundaries
and
out
and
there's
a
formula
that
attributes
the
actual
number
of
miles
per
trip.
So
then
get
a
total
number
of
vehicle
miles
traveled
for
the
project
all
right.
F
Your
first
question
is
in
regards
to
the
density
bonus
and
there
were
two
parts
to
your
questions,
questions
one
and
question
three.
So
the
first
one
was:
what
are
your
lanes
per
se
or
what
fences
does
the
state
law
draw
in
terms
of
what
they
can
ask
for?
Yes,
height
is
part
of
that
floor
area.
As
part
of
that
there
is
a
section
within
the
state
density,
bonus
law
that
talks
about
development
standards
and
what
development
standards
are.
They
provide
examples
that
include
but
not
limit
and
then
provide
some
examples.
F
I'm
not
sure
what
you
were
reading
from,
but
just
a
note
for
everybody.
Our
current
density
bonus
ordinance
within
our
code
is
out
of
date
and
it
doesn't
match
state
law.
F
We
are
working
on
that,
but
we
will
be
relying
on
the
current
state
law
for
for
this
project
and
any
other
project
that
comes
in
and
requests
the
use
of
the
density
bonus
law,
speaking
of
which
it
changed
this
year,
specifically
to
allow
a
debt
additional
density,
bonus,
so
I
believe
there's
one
particular
type
of
project
that
can
get
I
believe
100
density
bonus
I,
that's
hard
to
qualify
for,
but
the
largest
change.
The
most
significant
change
is
some
of
the
lower
percentage
of
provisions
of
affordable
housing.
F
C
F
There's
two
parts
to
an
answer
for
that
when
you
speak
of
density
as
it
relates
to
density
bonus
law,
the
project
before
you
is
not
requesting
the
use
of
the
actual
bonus
units,
so
the
the
project,
if
you
take
the
site
as
a
whole,
the
the
site,
that's
over
six
acres
with
the
45
dwelling
units
per
acre,
they
can
they
can
develop
the
297
units.
F
When
you
add
in
the
five
percent
very
low
units,
you
get
a
density
bonus
on
top
of
that,
so
the
base
Zone
would
allow
297
units
and
I
believe
I'm,
not
going
to
guess,
there's
a
percentage
that
they
would
get
above
and
beyond
that.
So
even
more,
then
the
applicant's
not
requesting
that
so
they're
actually
requesting
less
than
they
could
provide
on
the
site.
C
F
So
this
I
apologize.
If
this
is
complicated,
so
they
could,
they
could
ask
for
say
a
height
exception.
F
The
height
exception
is
not
limited,
it
doesn't
say
up
to
three
stories,
though
there
there
is
a
provision.
F
There
is
a
provision
that
does
talk
about
some
limitations
and
we'll
provide
that
to
you
to
for
it
to
be
clearer.
But
if
you
ask
for
a
height
limitation
and
perhaps
they're
asking
for
three
stories
for
an
additional
three
stories,
you
have
other
development
standards
that
will
limit
the
actual
request
to
that,
such
as
the
number
of
units
such
as
the
setbacks
that
sort
of
thing,
so
you
will
have
some
limitations
that
bring
the
ultimate
request
down.
C
I,
don't
know
about
the
rest
of
the
definition,
but
I
would
like
to
see
in
detail
that
law,
so
I
understand
how
it
actually
applies
and
again
I
want
to
know
what
the
benefits
are
for
the
applicant
and
I
want
to
know
what
the
benefits
are
for
the
city
aside
from
meeting
Arena
members,
because
I
can
see
that
that
would
be
a
benefit,
but
I
want
to
I
want
the
pros
and
cons.
Thank.
F
D
Yeah
I
just
have
a
question
for
Jennifer.
Comments
were
made
earlier
about
the
environmental
impact
report,
and
you
mentioned
that
it
wasn't
site-specific.
My
question
is:
were
any
of
the
other
properties
Parcels
of
property
that
were
designated
for
housing
additional
housing
to
meet
the
arena
needs
were
any
of
those
properties
specifically
studied.
F
No,
so
the
way
that
it's
set
up
is
that
it
looks
at
the
program
as
a
whole
and,
as
the
city
starts,
to
go
through
what
we
call
our
rezoning
program
and
consider
those
specific
sites.
We'll
look
at
details.
D
Thank
you
mostly
my
question.
All
of
my
questions
were
answered,
but
I
did
want
to
comment
on.
There's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
discussion
about
it.
So
story
polls
and
models,
I
I,
think
the
the
view
field.
Sim
simulation
is
actually
pretty
accurate,
I'm
very
familiar
with
this
kind
of
analysis.
It
looks.
It
looks
great
when
you
look
at
the
Campanella
Street,
which
is
the
lowest
Street
above
this
project.
That
would
have
the
greatest
potential
for
impact.
When
you
look
at
the
simulation,
the
no
one's
view
is
obliterated.
D
A
few
of
the
homes
have
an
impact,
but
no
one's
view
is
eliminated
and
when
you
look
at
it,
the
existing
sycamore
tree
is
actually
are
doing
more
damage
to
the
the
Blue
Water
view
than
the
structure
will.
So
in
terms
of
my
decision
making
process
I,
don't
know
that
I
need
to
see
view
pools
or
models.
I
think
this
view
simulation
actually
pretty
accurate.
That's
all
I
have
said.
E
A
F
A
Okay,
so
I
looked
up
for
the
municipal
code,
the
findings
that
you
have
to
make
in
this
Co
in
this
part
of
to
do
a
cup.
A
It
said
the
height
limit
for
the
cup
for
senior
housing
to
to
say
that
this
can
be
senior
housing,
is
a
45-foot
roof
height,
a
plate,
height
of
37
and
a
maximum
three
story
and
a
0.5
far,
and
it
also
said
that
in
our
code
that
you
can
grant
these
exceptions,
given
that
the
certain
findings
are
made
and
the
required
findings
that
no
portion
of
the
building
shall
exceed
45
feet,
that's
for
this
use
for
senior
housing.
So
where
does
it
come
in
after
that?
Where
they
are
allowed
to
ask
for
density
density?
A
Bonus
would
be
one
if
you
give
us,
you
know.
If
we're
going
to
do
13
units,
we
want
this
five
percent.
We
want
this
density
bonus
that
that
I
I
get
but
I'm
not
I'm,
not
understanding
how?
What
are
we
starting
at?
Are
we
not
for
that
cc4,
because
we
all
pretty
much
said?
Okay
cc4,
they
probably
you
know
in
our
agreement.
A
Well,
in
our
agreement,
it
can
go
back
to
the
existing
which
to
me
it's
an
agreement
we've
made,
but
not
fully
of
how
we're
going
to
do
the
zoning
and
and
they're
approaching
us
to
do
this
now.
But
what
is
what
is
the
the
base,
because
every
mixed
use
that
I
looked
at
the
Zoning
for
mixed
use,
I
think
all
of
mixed
use,
one
through
five
was
36
feet:
height,
rough
height
or
24
I
think
was
me5
I'm,
not
sure
why,
but
that
one
was
less.
Where
is
this
beginning
and
starting?
Thank.
F
You
for
the
question,
especially
since
just
looking
at
the
reference
I
I
did
miss
speak
earlier,
so
the
base
zoning
cc4,
the
height
limitation,
is
45
feet
to
the
top
of
roof,
37
Feet
to
the
plate
and
three
stories
so
correcting
what
I
said
before
the
senior
housing
project
development
standards
would
equate
to
that.
A
C
A
Asking
for
an
exception
but
they're
using
our
Municipal
Code
exception
and
a
and
a
what's
it
called
a
density
bonus
exception
and,
what's
the
other
exception
they're
using?
Is
that
just
the
parking
or
is
there
one
more?
It
seems
like
they're
asking
for
three
separate
things
and
I'm
I'm,
not
sure.
If
the
city
has
to
Grant
three
separate
things,
we
can
just
stop
at
one
thing:
can
we
not
do
we
have
that
discretion
to
say
We'll
Grant,
you
one
exception
to
the
cup.
A
Last
thing
and
I
had
forgotten
it
is
there's
usually
is
when
there's
a
senior
housing
project
or
something
that
might
impact
Public,
Safety,
excessive
and
impact
to
respond
Medical,
Response
or
something
like
that.
We
have
a
condition
in
the
approval
that
they
accept
that,
if
it
is
turned
deemed
to
be
excessive,
that
they
agree
that
they
will
pay
for
that
I'm,
not
sure
what
it
do.
You
remember
that
condition
for
Public
Safety
if
it
increases
Public
Safety
too
many
calls
to
that
location.
D
D
F
D
So
if
the
land
is
subdivided
and
I,
imagine
on
one
parcel
is
the
medical
center
correct,
correct?
The
other
parcel
is
a
senior
living
correct
correct.
So
if
you
subdivide
it
before
you
do
all
the
math.
Does
that
open
up
tighter
restrictions
on
that
because
I
don't
know
if
it's
four
acres
for
the
senior
and
two
acres
for
the
medical
how's
that
layout
yeah.
F
So
the
that
I'm
going
to
give
you
estimate
numbers
I,
the
total
site
is
6.6
Acres,
the
residential
as
they're
proposing
is
6.1
acres,
and
so
the
medical
site
is
around
0.5.
It
may
be
just
under
0.46.
D
Then
the
I
understand
that,
and
so
that
kind
of
gets
that
done
so
why?
Why
is
this
not
being
parceled
out
and
then
applied
individually?
Why
is
it
being
the
application
as
one
and
then
we're
split?
Why
is
it
because,
almost
like
the
medical
center
should
qualify
for
its
parking
on
its
own,
the
senior
living
should
qualify
for
its
parking
on
its
own?
Why
is
it
combined
and
then
split?
That's.
F
A
good
question
so
the
order
of
the
applications
you
could
an
applicant
could
come
in
and
ask
for
a
general
plan
Amendment
a
zoning
Amendment.
Then
they
could
come
back
and
ask
for
a
tentative
personal
map.
Then
they
could
come
back
and
ask
for
a
site
plan
and
a
conditional
use
permit.
However,
they
don't
have
to
our
code,
provides
a
provision
that
allows
concurrent
processing
for
applications
and-
and
that's
why
you
have
before
you
and
I
apologize
if
it
was
a
bit
confusing
on
the
ordering.
F
But
you
do
have
before
you
in
the
future
for
consideration
those
several
applications
and
they
all
provide
one
cohesive,
total
project
that
the
applicant
can
request
to
process
concurrently.
F
D
F
To
a
degree
right,
because
some
applications
rely
on
others
and
there
I
I,
don't
know
if
Cecilia
would
know,
but
there
may
be
a
provision
in
the
code
that
speaks
to
if
the
applicant
requests
the
city
will
process
it.
Concurrently.
G
F
D
D
D
So
what
now
this
isn't
just
covered
parking
space?
This
is
parking
space
at
all.
Right
am
I,
am
I
correct,
because
I
don't
care
covered
or
not
I'm,
just
looking
for
a
husband
and
wife
in
a
two
bedroom
with
their
great
or
their
mom
who's
over
55.
Okay,
that's
three
cars,
I,
don't
care
if
one
of
them
has
a
covered
and
two
don't
I
mean
this
is
an
accumulative
parking
covered
and
non-parking
or
non-covered.
Is
that
correct.
D
J
F
E
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
have
a
few
questions
regarding
the
height
is.
Are
we
talking
about
height
to
like
a
ridge
line,
or
are
we
talking
about
an
average
height
per
roof
plane.
F
E
Correct
okay,
because
it
looks
like
in
some
of
the
exhibits
that
they're
they're
going
to
the
Ridgeline,
which
is
not
the
same
way,
that
height
is
normally
calculated
in
this
town,
correct,
okay,
so
so
I
I'm,
not
sure,
but
there
might
be
some
confusion
there
and
it
might
benefit
everybody.
If,
if
that
was
better
explained
at
the
very
very
beginning,
there
was
talk
of
a
front
setback
and
how
it
was
generous.
Do
you
know
what
the
front
setback
is
and
what
it's
required
to
be.
H
E
Okay,
thank
you,
so
I
think
that
we'd
all
be
benefited.
I
know.
I
would
personally
if
there
was
a
good
exhibit
relative
to
the
site
issue
really
honing
in
on
the
on
the
height
as
calculated
with
the
each
individual
roof
plane
and
then
an
exhibit
where
on
the
site,
those
overage
Heights
are.
Are
they
in
the
front?
Are
they
in
the
back?
Are
they
near
the
side
whatever,
and
also
what
percentage
of
the
building
let's
say
is
over
Max
height,
I,
think
I
know,
I
would
benefit
from
that.
E
I
would
suggest
I
want
to
follow
on
with
what
councilman
noblock
said,
which
is
this
view
exhibit
to
me,
looks
awesome
and
amazing
relative
to
they
they
go
in
and
look
at
a
number
of
you
know
their
calculated
estimated
view
impacts
on
a
lot
by
lot
basis
for
the
lower
Lots
in
seapoint,
Estates,
and
so
I
think
that
I'm
not
sure
but
I
think
that
the
view
impacts
might
be
much
less
than
is
feared
to
those
residents
and
to
the
extent
that
the
applicant
could
make
those
view,
studies
more
available,
maybe
even
have
direct
Outreach
to
each
of
those
sites
that
they
studied
I'd
suggest
that
maybe
they
make
have
direct
Outreach
to
each
one
where
they
are
estimating
to
block
some
Blue
Water
View,
but
but
I
agree
that
you
know
based
on
this,
assuming
it's
right
to
have
no
reason
to
believe
it's,
not.
E
The
vast
majority
of
view
seems
to
be
to
be
maintained.
If
we're
talking
about
view
of
the
ocean
which
I
think
most
people
are
so
those
are
my
comments
and
questions.
Has
anybody
commissioner
candles.
D
D
One
question:
like
so
say:
we
do
approve
this
thing
and
there
ends
up
being
two
separate
Parcels,
but
in
the
future
you
can't
sell
one
of
them
like
the
medical
center.
For
instance,
you
can't
sell
that
because
there's
no
parking
and
how
does
that
agreement
to
share
parking
move
forward
with
two
different
landowners?
E
E
D
D
D
I
I'll
make
a
motion
for
City
Council
Members
next
break
with
the
city
council
meeting
will
be
held
on
Tuesday
September
6th
2022
as
the
same
Community
Center
Auditorium
100
Calle,
Seville,
San,
Clemente,
California,
closed
sessions
items
and
the
regular
business
needed
more
convince
at
five
unanimous.
E
I
will
make
a
motion
that
we
adjourned
this
meeting
to
the
next
regular
Planning
Commission
meeting
to
be
held
on
Wednesday
September
7
2022
at
6
p.m.
In
this
location,
San
Clemente,
Community,
Center,
Auditorium,
100,
Kai,
Seville,
San,
Clemente,
California,.