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C
Yes,
sir
see
got
chair.
Mccakin.
Excuse
me,
commissioner
mccacken
here,
commissioner
davis
here,
commissioner
prescott
leffler.
I
do
not
see
her
in
attendance.
Commissioner
crandall,
I
do
not
see
him
in
attendance.
Vice
chair.
Excuse
me
chair
pro
tem
camp.
I
do
not
see
him
in
attendance.
C
B
Thank
you
with
that.
We
have
a
study
session
regarding
automotive
service
uses
within
the
rancho
san
clemente
and
tolego
specific
plan.
Do
we
have
a
staff
report.
D
Good
evening
planning
commissioners
so
we're
waiting
on
a,
I
have
a
slide
to
go
through
here.
If
kade
kade
was
going
to
share
the
screen
when
he's
ready.
So
during
the
study
session,
we're
going
to
continue
the
discussion
regarding
implementation
of
auto
service
uses
within
the
business
and
industrial
parks
of
the
tallaga
and
rancho
san
clemente
specific
plans.
D
So
this
project
is
one
of
many
components
of
the
city's
comprehensive,
specific
plan
amendments
that
will
be
brought
to
the
planning
commissioners
later
this
month
as
a
separate
item.
As
a
reminder,
the
specific
plan
amendments
are
updates
to
the
specific
planned
documents
to
address
state
and
federal
policies,
make
the
documents
consistent
with
the
general
plan,
zoning
code
and
coastal
land
use
plans
and
to
address
goals
and
policies
within
the
general
plan.
D
So
staff
held
two
study
sessions
on
the
topic
december,
2021
and
march
2022,
where
planning
commissioners
provided
their
comments
and
feedback
for
staff
next
slide,
please
so
by
the
end
of
the
study
session,
staff
is
requesting
consensus
from
the
planning
commissioners
that
the
proposed
uses
and
permitting
requirements
for
automotive
service
uses
are
acceptable
to
go
forward
with
the
project
and
that
staff
has
addressed
the
commissioner's
comments
from
the
previous
study
sessions.
Next
slide,
please
thank
you.
So
the
comments
received
during
the
previous
study
sessions
are
listed
here
on
the
slide.
D
So
first
commissioners
wanted
to
see
updated
standards
and
uses
carping
out
auto
delivery,
centers
differentiating
them
from
vehicle
dealerships
and
sales.
Secondly,
commissioners
were
also
concerned
with
the
screening
of
outdoor
equipment
and
vehicle
display,
as
well
as
the
limiting
of
outdoor
operations
in
general
for
vehicle
dealerships
sales
and
rentals.
D
Also,
they
wanted
to
regulate
signage,
which
was
important
in
order
to
mitigate
the
abundant
use
of
on-site
banners,
flags
and
retail
stickers,
custom
for
vehicle
dealerships
and
lastly,
it
was
mentioned
that
outdoor
vehicle
washing
should
be
regulated
to
reduce
noise
and
visibility.
Issues
from
the
public
right-of-way
next
slide,
please.
D
So
here
on
this
slide,
this
is
the
same
permitted
use
table
that
you
see
in
your
staff
report.
This
is
what
would
be
presented
in
rancho
san
clemente's
specific
plan
for
tolega.
The
table
would
look
different
as
there's
no
business
commercial
or
industrial
park
in
the
area,
but
the
permitted
uses
would
remain
the
same,
so
staff
separated.
D
Permit
where
the
planning
commission
or
the
zoning
administrator
sorry
would
review
instead
of
the
planning
commission
for
cub,
and
so
it's
the
same
with
electric
vehicle
dealerships,
except
we
have
it
marked
at
30
or
fewer
vehicles
or
30
or
more
for
a
minor
conditional
use
permit
in
order
to
provide
some
support
to
electric
vehicle
dealerships
coming
to
the
area
and
then
auto
delivery
centers
would
be
permitted
by
wright
and
so
vehicle
repair.
Major
and
minor
repair
would
remain
the
same.
D
A
conditional
use,
permit
or
permitted
by
right
would
be
minor
repair,
and
so,
while
we
next
slide
please
so
while
we
would
allow
10
vehicles
outside
on
display
in
front
of
the
building
facade
line,
which
would
be
a
straight
straight
line
parallel
to
whatever
face
of
the
building
is
facing
the
public
right
away.
We'd
want
to
allow
some
number
of
vehicles
without
the
requirement
of
screening,
as
it's
just
the
natural
operations
of
a
vehicle
dealership
or
even
an
auto
delivery
center.
D
So
if
they
have
more
than
10
in
front
of
the
building
facade,
they
would
need
to
implement
these
landscape
buffering
screening
guidelines
which
we've
gone
over
with
staff,
but
also
with
a
third
party
landscape
consultant
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
adding
anything
in
there.
That
would
hinder
just
normal
operations
at
the
vehicle
dealership
or
auto
delivery
center.
For
that
matter.
D
Okay
next
slide,
please
so
for
sign
regulations,
we're
prohibiting
signage
for
auto
delive,
any
kind
of
automotive
service
use
without
the
approval
of
a
permit
either
a
temporary
banner
permit
or
even
a
signage
that
would
go
along
with
special
activities.
Permit
like
a
grand
opening
or
something
along
those
lines.
Discretionary
or
administrative
side
permanent
would
also
be
required
through
the
standards
required
through
the
zoning
code.
D
I
think
the
commissioner
that
was
here
that
talked
about
this
somewhat
at
length
during
the
last
study
session
really
wanted
us
to
pay
attention
to
not
just
car
washes,
but
any
kind
of
automotive
service
use,
such
as
a
dealership
or
even
rental,
or
an
auto
delivery
center
that
may
wash
or
detail
their
cars
outdoors,
and
so
we
have
a
develop
in
the
development
standards
on
page
5,
the
staff
report
as
well.
D
D
Okay,
so
again,
we're
requesting
from
the
commissioners
that
they
have
consensus
on
the
permitting
requirements,
as
seen
in
the
permitting
use
table
the
definitions
provided
on
pages
nine
and
ten
in
the
staff
report,
and
also
that
we
have
addressed
the
comments
that
we've
discussed.
The
last
study
sessions
next
slide,
please,
okay,
so
I'm
happy
to
go
back
through
any
of
these
slides
or
talk
about
any
specific
pages
on
the
staff
report.
D
That
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Commissioner
cosgrove,
I
know
you
had
a
question
lined
up.
E
Actually,
before
I
dive
into
the
question,
I
want
to
just
maybe
take
a
couple
steps
back,
so
the
general
plan
basically
wants
to
locate
car
dealership
services
in
these
business
parks.
That's
the
goal
right.
We
want
to
encourage-
and
this
is
the
specific
things
we're
recommending
to
implement,
that
that
would
encourage
that's
the
goal.
Correct,
okay,.
E
E
You
know
I
I'm
just
feeling
like
there
might
be
some
discouragement
by
forcing
them
to
comply
with
things
that
say:
hey
you
can't
wash
the
car
in
a
way
that
there's
a
line
of
sight
to
it
and
in
particular
I'm
thinking
you
know
one
of
the
growing
things.
That's
is
these
car
car
dealing
car
detailing
they're,
not
a
dealership
but
they're?
Just
these
independent.
You
know
young
entrepreneurs
that
are
detailing
cars,
they're,
putting
wax
on
them
they're,
putting
ceramic
coating,
they're
tinting,
the
windows
and
most
of
that
they
do
covered
right.
E
They
don't
want
in
the
direct
sun,
but
these
are
the
kinds
of
things
we
want
to
encourage
right.
We
want
to
encourage
these
electric
vehicle
delivery
centers.
We
want
to
encourage
even
automobile
sales
right,
so
I
just
I'm
more
sympathetic.
You
know
if
it's
an
industrial
area,
if
it's
in
a
business
area-
and
I
looked
at
the
map-
there's
not
really-
I
didn't
really
see
neighbor
or
hoods
nearby
right-
that
the
noise
will
disturb
or
anything
like
that.
So
I'm
just
I
don't
know
thinking,
maybe
some
of
it.
It
might
be
too
restrictive.
E
You
know
if
we're
trying
to
encourage.
So
I
just
I
don't
know
as
I
go
through
it.
You
know
it's
just
thinking.
Maybe
some
of
the
screening
stuff
might
be
too.
I
don't
know
if
it's
too
much
if
we
don't,
if
it's
really
necessary
in
that
kind
of
a
setting.
As
long
as
it's
clean
and
neat
and
organized
I'm
okay,
I
I
think
it
would
be
okay,
so
yeah
before
I
get
into
my
the
one
thing
I
did
have
concern
about,
I
wanted
to
kind
of
take
that
attack.
First
yeah.
D
Of
course,
I'm
happy
to
be
here
in
person
yeah,
so
the
I
think
that,
when
we're
developing
regulations
and
standards
for
something
like
this,
it's
good
to
think
like
as
far
into
the
future
as
possible.
So
we
do
have
areas
in
rancho,
san
clemente
that
are
zoned
residential
and
some
that
are
near
the
industrial
or
business
parts
or
that
are
zoned
light
industrial
anyway
and
though
there
may
not
those
those
buildings
or
establishments
near
the
residential
areas
are
not
auto
uses
are
operating
outside.
D
D
It's
likely
that
there'll
be
a
condition
of
approval
within
that
project.
That
would
prohibit
them
from
any
kind
of
outdoor
car,
washing
that
is
seen
from
the
public
right-of-way.
But
if
the
use
is
permitted
by
right,
that
is
still
a
standard
that
they
have
to
follow
and
next
part
I'm
getting
into
adam.
D
May
be
able
to
speak
on
that
as
well,
but
it
seems
like
it
would
hinder
a
business,
but
if
they
do
end
up
operating
or
washing
cars
and
visible
to
the
public,
that
that
was
that's
most
likely
just
a
warning
for
them
to
stop
doing
that
and
they
wouldn't
lose
their
business
license
or
such,
and
I
think
that,
if
all
of
a
sudden
in
the
future
we
have
10
auto
uses
in
one
line
and
they're
all
washing
outside.
I
think
that's
what
the
commissioner
last
time
was
getting
at.
D
E
C
C
The
second
is
to
move
them,
encourage
them
into
our
our
business
parks
and
staff
has
familiarity
with
the
business
park,
specific
plans
and
looking
at
the
documents
as
a
whole,
there
is
a
there's,
an
overarching
goal
of
creating
what
are
what
have
become
some
really
nice
I'll,
say,
more
tranquil
types.
D
C
Business
parks
and
industrial
parks,
and
so
our
goal
here
is
to
encourage
as
much
as
we
can,
while
still
trying
to
maintain
the
existing
character
of
the
business
parks
to
the
extent
that
they
can
be
maintained
while
encouraging
these
new
uses.
So
there's
a
there
is
a
balance
that
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
here.
But
again,
this
is
the
point
of
the
study
sessions
to
elicit
these
these.
These
types
of
comments
from
the
commissioners
and
and
to
help
steer
us
in
the
direction
yeah.
E
I
just
wanted
to
offer
those
suggestions
that
maybe
specifically
auto
detailing
we
might
want
to
call
that
out,
and
maybe
you
do
it
by
size.
I
don't
know
the
other
thing.
That's
on
el
camino
are
the
big
tire
stores
too,
and
they
take
up
a
lot
of
space
and
we
maybe
would
want
to
see
some
tire
stores
go
into
these
business
parks
as
well.
D
So
I
think
I
gathered
most
most
of
that.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
detailing
would
more
than
likely
fall
under
the
definition
for
major
vehicle
repair,
which
does
now
require
a
conditional
use
permit
or
detailing.
Well,
if
we
consider
automotive,
painting,
shops
or
customizing
of
auto,
I'm
thinking.
E
E
So
that's
just
a
suggestion.
The
only
thing
I
wanted
to
maybe
introduce
here
on
the
signage
that
I
think
is
the
most
objectionable
is
the
inflatable
signs,
whether
it
be
the
balloons
or
the
squiggly
guy.
That's
you
know
20
feet
in
the
air.
Those
are
the
things
I
think
most
people
don't
want
to
see
so
and
I
didn't
know
we.
I
didn't
necessarily
see
the
inflatable
signs
as
a
category,
so
in
general
I
don't
think
those
are
good
good
signs
in
the
city,
but.
C
It
would
actually
be
prohibited,
so
what
we're
doing
here
is
we
are
creating
regulations
to
only
allow
signage
for
automotive
related
uses.
That
can
be
a
can
be
equal
obtained
by
obtaining
a
permit
for
such
sign.
Our
our
code
only
allows
for
certain
types
of
signage.
C
So
if
it's,
if,
if
you
can't
get
a
permit
for
it
it,
you
can't
have
that
type
of
signage
gotcha
that
limits
a
lot
of
the
we'll
call
it
the
more
the
more
flashy
kinds
of
signage
that
auto
auto
dealerships
used
car
lots
of
those
those
types
tend
to
have.
D
F
F
I'm
like
you
know
no
disrespect
to
those
guys,
but
you
know
I
mean
some
really
classy
stuff,
two
things,
maybe
three.
But
how
can
you
go
into
more
detail
on
how
we're
enticing
companies
to
leave
el
camino
real?
Where
they've
been
there
20
30
years
and
going
up
to
you
know
the
the
business
park
or
the
industrial
park,
because
it's
gonna
have
to
be
pretty
enticing.
C
Well,
that's
a
great
question,
commissioner
davis.
So
as
far
as
our
opportunities
go
with
zoning,
we
we
tend
to
have
two
tools:
one
is
to
open
up,
uses
allowable
uses
in
one
area
and
restrict
allowable
uses
in
another.
That's
what
the
general
plan
essentially
has
done
over
time.
We
find
that
successful
businesses
tend
to
want
to
grow
and
by
limiting
that
footprint
or
creating
a
legal
non-conforming
use.
C
It
limits
how
much
growth
opportunity
there
is
in
an
existing
location,
and
so
while,
while
there's
no
amortization
to
the
to
the
automotive
uses
in
el
camino
real.
What
we're
attempting
in
this
instance
is
to
create
something
much
more
favorable
in
a
long-term
growth
setting
for
those
types
of
businesses.
C
F
A
F
There
are
medical
offices,
medical
offices,
yes,
accountants,
yes,
they're,
not
going
to
want
to
have
an
automotive
place
next
door
to
them.
F
F
I
I
wouldn't
be
happy
at
all.
Having
somebody
come
in
and
put
my
lip
and
a
couple
cars
outside
and
all
the
you
know,
oil
changes
and
whatever
happens.
But
if
you
go
to
an
industrial
automotive
section
and
that's
all
I
work
is
in
an
industrial
environment.
So
I
see
everything,
but
you
very
specifically
realize
it's
a
your
sidewalks
look
different
you're
because
of
oil
being
tracked
in
and
out
your
your.
F
C
And
I
that's
a
great
comment
I
would
I
would
say
that
staff
would
would
recommend
that
the
uses,
especially
what's
permitted
and
what's
what
would
require
a
discretionary
approval
either
through
a
minor
conditional
use
permit
or
a
conditional
use
permit
that
you
you
focus
on
on
those,
because
that's
really
the
dividing
line
between
what
somebody
can
opt
can
open
and
operate
with
just
the
application.
C
Sometimes
just
the
application
of
a
business
license,
maybe
a
building
permit,
so
they
can
come
in
and
all
of
those
are
ministerial
approvals
versus
what
they
need
to
get
approval
to
operate
a
business
that
would
require
noticing
to
neighboring
property
owners
so
that
those
types
of
concerns
can
be
raised
in
a
public
hearing
setting.
C
C
One
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
the
while
there
are
a
number
of
office
uses
that
would
permit
direct
customer
interactions,
meaning
customers
come
to
those
properties.
C
For
the
most
part,
the
business
parks
are
designed
for
business
to
business
type
activities
or
distributors
wholesalers.
Things
of
that
nature,
however,
over
time
and-
and
this
is
a
lot
of
this
is
market
driven
is
who
who
is
actually
occupying
the
business
parks
and-
and
I
I
I
agree-
there
are
a
number
of
those
types
of
uses
that
would
be.
That
would
be
sensitive.
F
C
F
Had
the
situation
where
that
rugby
outside
rugby
places
wanting
to
go
outside
and
and
practice
and
then
the
school
above
that
right
so
now
it's
a
school
and
then
there's
a
rock
climbing
area
up
in
here
I
don't
know,
I
think
I
think,
is
it
possible
to
be
more
restrictive
in
this
area
I
mean
what's
the
vacancy
rate
anyway,
you
know
I
mean
it's
like
it
can't
be
very
much.
I
think
all
these
things
are
occupied
but
can
like.
F
Do
really
good
work
for
robbie's
tire,
for
instance
right
and
I
go
up
there
and
that
was
really
clean
operation,
but
I
go
up
there
and
and
and
put
a
permit
in,
and
then
you
put
it
out
to
the
neighbors
and
the
neighbors
aren't
happy
with
it.
I'm
gonna
say:
look
this
guy.
Just
doesn't
like
me.
That's
not
his.
B
Can
I
jump
in
on
on
just
one
thing:
real
quick?
I
don't
mean
to
cut
you
off
at
all,
but
what
adam
was
saying
relative
to
so
the
cup
conditional
use.
Permit
is
a
big
deal.
So
if,
if
they're
going
to
do
stuff
that
the
staff
feels
falls
in
the
category
that
they
need
to
see,
you
p,
that
means
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
more
intensive.
B
That
gives
the
planning
commission
a
lot
more
discretion
to
say,
yay
or
nay,
or
put
extra
conditions
on
basically
extra
policing
and
it
gives
the
city
staff
a
lot
more
teeth
to
go
after
and
say:
hey
you
guys
can't
be
you
know
there
can't
be
oil
changes
out
here
in
the
parking
lot
everything's.
Your
your
permit,
which
you
got
approved
in
front
of
planning
commissions,
is
you
can
only
do
that
stuff
inside
and
you
can't
store
chemicals
and
materials
outside.
B
So
so
I
think
the
things
that
you're
kind
of
mentioning
and
or
fearing
right,
which
is
all
legit
right,
because
we
all
see
that
every
time
we
go
different
places
to
get
our
cars
done,
but
it
gives
staff
more
teeth
to
to
police
it
and
keep
it
the
way
that
we
envision
it
and
that
the
neighbors
want
it
is
that
what
did
you
say?
That's
an
accurate
statement.
C
That's
very
accurate,
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I'll
I'll
follow
that
up
by
saying
that
the
the
staff's
proposed
amendment
to
the
specific
to
these
specific
plans.
C
Currently
they
they
represent
a
line
in
the
sand
where
we
feel
that
by
right
uses,
meaning
a
business
license
or
a
building
permit
is
all
that's
required
to
begin
that
that
business
versus
those
that
require
discretionary
permit
that
there's
a
line
in
the
sand
there,
where
the
buy
right
uses
would
be,
would
not
be
terribly
impactful
or
a
negative,
create
negative
consequences
for
nearby
neighbors,
because
they're
such
a
low
intensity
that
they
would
basically
they
would
be
compatible
with
existing
other
other
permitted
uses.
C
But
beyond
that
point,
that's
when
discretionary
review
is
required,
which
gives
staff
the
opportunity
to
analyze
the
proposal
and
make
recommendations
to
either
this
body
or
the
zoning
administrator.
That
requires
findings
to
be
made,
and
those
findings
include
things
like
the
the
the
proposed
use
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
to
the
surrounding
properties,
and-
and
it's
at
that
time.
That's
that!
That's
the
crux
of
the
question
of
what
is
the
proposal
getting
to
a
point
where
it
needs
that
type
of
analysis?
C
F
A
D
You're,
if
you're
a
major
if
you're
a
major
or
parent.
A
D
A
D
A
A
So
if
you're
talking
about
like
the
tire
shops,
you
know
like
on
el
camino,
they
are
inside,
but
they're
also
gonna
have
to
be
oriented,
they
cannot
be
oriented
in
public
right
away
or
residential.
So
I
mean
the
noise
is
going
away
from
public
street
or
away
from
the
homes
and
then
number
five
that
talks
about.
You
know
waxing
and
all
this
kind
of
stuff,
if
it's
not
making
noise,
although
it's
all
subject
to
the
noise
ordinance,
so
anybody
could
kind
of
complain.
Yeah,
it's
going
to
be
visually
obstructed.
A
A
So
you
can't,
you
know
if
you're
going
to
do
your
activity
for
your
business,
it's
either
in
your
back
or
it's
inside,
and
you
don't
hear
anything
because
on
the
one
side
is
a
grinding
shop
and
they
are,
they
usually
put
down
their
thing
when
they're
grinding
and
to
the
street
side
is
some
kind
of
automobile
thing
that's
all
done
inside
and
in
their
back
fence.
It's
just
storage.
F
A
C
Yes,
there
are
still
a
number
of
other
uses
that
general
plan
is
is
more
encouraging
of
locating
there,
and
the
idea
is
that
over
time,
those
those
auto
uses
would
be
replaced
by
uses
that
tend
to
be
a
bit
more.
C
So,
since
we're
on
this
slide-
and
I
apologize
for
sure
since
we're
on
this
slide,
if
you'd
like
to
go
through
these
uses
a
little
bit
more,
the
the
main
difference
that
we're
looking
at
is
the
is
the
p
which
is
permitted.
That
means
by
right
versus
the
mcup
or
the
cup,
both
of
which
are
discretionary.
C
So,
for
example,
vehicle
rental
sales
and
dealerships
staff
is
is,
is
comfortable,
proposing
a
that
if
there
are
outdoor,
10
or
fewer
vehicles,
that
that
would
be,
that
could
be
done
in
a
way
that's
compatible,
assuming
it
meets
all
the
development
standards
that
kyle
discussed
earlier,
that
that
would
be
compatible
with
the
general
uses
of
a
business
park.
However,
if
they've
got
more
than
10
vehicles,
we're
getting
to
a
point
of
intensity
where
it's
no
longer
compatible
with
things
like
medical
office
or
or
the
like,.
D
Then
I'll
add
that
the
section
I
think
is
subsection
g5,
where
it
lists
the
development
standards
for
auto
service
uses
that,
even
if
it's
permitted
by
right,
they
would
need
to
follow
those
development
standards
and
operational
standards
which,
if
there's
something
in
there,
that
you
feel
that
is
missing.
That
would
not
be
covered
under
something
that
would
be
permitted
by
right,
not
reviewed
by
a
decision-making
body.
But
we
could
potentially
add
something.
If
there's
specific
issues
that
you
think
are
not
covered.
A
And
personally
I
like
detailing
to
come
under
car,
washing
because
it
is
a
cup-
and
I
know
like
an
up
in
our
neighborhood:
most
guys
are
pretty
good.
They
control
their
water
flow
and
they
control
their
sound.
But
some
don't
so
that's
why
I
think
detailing
should
be
on,
because
it
depends
on
what
you're
detailing
what
you're
doing?
C
Well,
so
you
know,
we
do
understand
that
there
are
indoor
and
outdoor
uses,
the
outdoor
outdoor
I'll
say.
Outdoor
operations
would
tend
to
move
things
into
a
discretionary
discretionary
process,
the
the
intent,
even
in
the
in
the
zoning
ordinance
versus
versus
the
specific
plans,
which
also
tend
to
encourage
businesses
to
be
conducted
within
enclosed
structures.
C
There
are
things
that
are
allowed
to
occur
outside,
but
the
the
intent
of
these
documents
is
really
to
confine
uses
to
be
within
indoors,
and
so
then
that's
why
you
see
some
of
the
differentiation
between
number
of
vehicles
indoors
versus
outdoors
and
things
of
that
nature.
B
Okay,
I
have
a
couple
regarding
the
10,
the
10
cars
or
fewer
and
the
facade
line.
So
are
you
saying
that
if
they're
going
to
have
10
cars
or
fewer
in
front
of
the
front
facade,
but
they
could
have
100
cars
in
the
back
behind
the
building
or
behind
the
facade
line?
Is
that
accurate.
B
You
talked
about
car
washing
and
I'm
I
think,
I'm
quoting
it
verbatim
seen
from
any
public
right
of
way,
which
seems
a
little
vague
to
me.
I
mean
if
you're,
on
a
corner
lot.
I
can
see
that
but
depending
on
you
know
where
you
are,
if
you're
down
in
a
hall,
you
might
be
able
to
be
seen
from
somewhere
some
other
public
right
away
far
away.
Should
we
maybe
define
that
to
be
from
the
right
of
way
in
front
of
the
in
front
of
the
property.
D
I
mean
yeah,
that's
something
that
we
can
add,
so
I
was
just
making
sure
that
I
think
that
even
from
residential
areas,
we'd
want
to
secure
the
view
from
their
properties
regardless
if
they
see
it
five
blocks
away
from
a
high
elevation.
But
I
see
your
point
I
mean.
B
Would
where
we're
talking
about?
I
mean
I
just
don't
want
to
it's
a
little
bit
ridiculous,
okay,
but
but
for
one,
I'm
not
sure.
If
from
like
an
upper
street,
you
could
see
down
onto
a
lower
street.
That's
you
know
a
block
and
a
half
away,
but
from
an
upper
position
you
could
see
down,
even
maybe
into
someone's
quote,
unquote
backyard
or.
A
D
D
A
That
could
mean
that
some
of
these
businesses
could
point
out
well,
instead
you're
thinking
of
the
public
right-of-way
of
the
street,
which
they
can't,
but
there
is
public
right-of-way
coming
in.
You
know
the
parking
so
that
I
don't
want
them
to
think
that
they
can
orient
their
garage
doors
towards
that
parking
because,
right
now
they
can't.
In
other
words,
that's
where,
like
the
office
is
and
then
their
garage
where
noise
would
emanate
from
it
is
always
perpendicular
to
anywhere
where
there's
a
public
access.
I
think
that
keeps
the
noise
down.
A
It
keeps
the
noise
within
the
little
concrete.
Well
you
just
like
that.
One
map,
if
we
look
at
it
again,
you
have
these
little
arterioles
coming
in
so
it
means
the
noise
is
going
to
go
to
either
one
of
the
neighbors
buildings
or
the
back
of
the
neighbor's
building.
But
it's
never
going
to
come
out
to
anywhere
where
I'm
going
to
be
parking.
My
car
or
driving
my
car,
I
think
that's
a
good,
especially
when
you
get
out
to
some
main
arterials.
We
just
had
a
church.
Remember
the
church.
E
A
People
across
pico
were
upset
because
they
didn't
want
music
coming
up.
So
I
think
you
need
to
have
the
presidential
and
public
right-of-ways,
because
those
are
going
to
mean
your
streets
and
public
access,
where
the
public
is
going
to
be
you're,
going
to
want
the
noise
to
come
out
of
the
building
away
from
the
public.
A
That
that
owner
who's
ever
coming
who's
interested
in
the
corner
lot
will
know
ahead
of
time
that
you
know
you
can't.
Your
noise
cannot
come
out
to
the
residential
or
a
public
right-of-way.
So
if
you're
on
the
corner
street,
except
that
person
really
wants
to
have
all
these
bay
doors
all
around,
he
doesn't
want
to
be
on
the
phone
a
lot
he
wants
to
be
on.
A
C
Address
those
concerns
with
some
potential
other
options.
When
we
bring
this
back,
I
would
say
you
know
the
the
business
parks
tend
to
be
located
in
areas
where
there's
not
a
lot
of
impacts
on
on
residential
nearby,
and
I
say
that
because
in
the
I
say
that,
because
there
are
a
number
of
uses
that
could
potentially
create
a
lot
of
sound
and
there's,
there's
no
existing
radius
needed
from
residential
for
those
types
of
uses.
C
And
while
while
issues
have
come
up
about
noise
related
to
residential
those
typically
get
addressed
through
a
discretionary
process
rather
than
creating
another.
C
C
However,
there's
many
times
where
300
feet
is
not
going
to
make
it
there,
it's
going
to
make
much
less
of
a
difference,
because
there's
a
very
large
hill
between
the
two
uses,
and
so
in
the
vein
of
trying
to
encourage,
I,
I
would
pref.
I
think
I
can
speak
for
first
staff
on
this.
We
would
prefer
to
to
identify
the
uses
that
could
potentially
affect
residential
and
require
a
discretionary
process
for
those,
but
not
potentially
unnecessarily
limit
other
uses
just
simply
because
of
a
distance.
B
No
problem,
we
appreciate
the
input
and,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
this,
the
whole
reason
this
is
being
looked
at
is
because
there
was
this
desire
at
the
council
level
to
to
encourage
automotive
uses
going
into
the
business
part.
We
want
to
open
that
up,
and
that
came
from
from
the
general
plan
and
the
council's
adoption
of
the
general
plan
correct.
That
is
correct.
Okay,
so
it's
not
it's
not
something
that
staff
just
dreamed
of
it's.
This
is
official
policy.
We
want
to
encourage
this.
C
Yes,
this
is
part
of
the
planning
divisions,
work
program
to
to
bring
our
specific
plans
and
zoning
ordinance
into
compliance
with
the
general
plan.
That's
one
of
our
requirements
that
those
documents
cannot
be
they
they
must
be
consistent,
and
what
we're
doing
at
this
point
is
we're
making
those
documents
consistent
based
off
the
direction
of
the
general
plan,
which
is
the
overarching
policy
document
of
the
city.
B
Thank
you
and
I'd
like
to
note
for
the
record
too
that
commissioner
grandel
joined
us
during
the
study
study
session.
Does
anybody
else
have
any
other
questions
or
comments?
I.
E
Just
have
comments
sure
this
is
a
kind
of
obvious,
but
I
think
it
should
just
be
noted
that,
just
in
my
small
tenure
here
we
have
a
lot
of
different
people
wanting
to
go
into
the
business
park
and
in
that
process
I
you
know
I've
observed,
there's
preschools
in
there
there
are.
There
are
so
many
different
uses.
There's
office,
there's
vets,
there's
automotive,
there's
a
brewery
city
hall,
there's
a
post
office.
E
You
know
it
does
get
down
to
the
you
know
and
we
had
see
it
in
los
molinas
with
the
industrial
we
see
a
brewery.
We
see,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
different
services
in
these
uses
that
are
designated
business
park
or
light
industrial,
and
I
think,
to
some
degree,
people
need
to
understand
what
they're
signing
up
for.
We
can't
protect
everybody
against
everything
and
we
are
a
small
town
and
it's
great
problem
to
have
people
want
to
be
here
so
they're,
finding
any
available
spot
to
go
and
our
our
developments.
E
Our
development
standards
are
quite
broad.
When
you
look
at
what's
allowable
uses
in
all
these
different
zones,
they
overlap
a
lot,
and
so
you
can
have
a
restaurant
in
all
sorts
of
uses
from
commercial
to
light
industrial
that,
to
you
know,
business
parks
you
can
have
so
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
commingled
uses.
That's
just
gonna
be
the
way
it
is
so
I
applaud
staff
for
trying
to
do
the
best
they
can
to
encourage,
but
yet
protect-
and
this
is
this
back
and
forth-
it's
a
fine.
E
It's
a
fine
balance,
you're
trying
to
strike,
and
I
think
what
I
try
to
do
for
my
perspective
is
just
acknowledge.
The
market
is
that
work
and
if
people
are
going
to
want
to
locate
themselves
in
a
business
park,
they're
going
to
have
to
realize
yeah
that
my
neighbor
might
be
noisy.
Okay,
is
that
that's
my
call?
If
I'm
going
to
choose
that,
because
it's
a
permitted
use
and
I'm
not
going
to
move
in
there
and
then
start
complaining,
I
don't
think
that
is
a
good.
B
Have
we,
as
a
commission
given
staff
enough
feedback
of
what
they're
looking
for
or
is
there
is
there?
Are
you
looking
for
a
straw,
pool
or.
C
We
appreciate
the
comments
that
we've
received
so
far.
If
there
are
any
additional,
we
will
accept
them.
I,
unless
there
it
is
a
topic
that
has
not
been
discussed
by
one
of
the
commissioners
at
this
time.
We
would
want
to
elicit
those
comments.
C
However,
this
will
be
coming
back
to
the
planning
commission
and
if
there
are
any
additional
comments
that
the
commission
may
have
on
an
individual
basis
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
either
myself
or
kyle
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
additional
questions
you
might
have
in
preparation
for
the
next
meeting.
A
F
B
A
B
I
call
to
order
the
meeting
of
the
planning
commission
of
today
wednesday
7
september,
7th
2022,
and
with
that
we'll
have
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
C
Yes,
sir
commissioner
mccacken
here,
commissioner
davis
here,
commissioner
crandall
here,
commissioner
prescott
leffler.
I
do
not
see
her
in
attendance
chairpro
tem
camp
here
vice
chair
cosgrove
here
and
chair
mccann.
B
Here,
thank
you
special
orders
of
business
and
special
presentation.
We
have
none
the
minutes.
Do
I
have
a
motion
regarding
the
minutes
of
the
study
session
of
august
3rd
and
the
planning
commission
meeting
of
august
3rd.
A
E
I
will
move
approval
of
both
the
study
session
and
the
regular
commission
meeting
minutes.
A
B
Thank
you
any
opposed,
so
we
have
all
eyes
except
abstain
from
commissioner
mccotkin
and.
B
Is
there
anyone
here
that
wishes
to
speak
tonight
on
an
item
on
anything
not
covered
in
that
we're
not
going
to
be
discussing
in
the
meeting
okay,
seeing
none,
we
can
don't
have
any
public
comment,
nothing
on
consent,
calendar,
so
public
hearings.
B
C
So
chair
mccann,
we
have
a
staff
presentation
and
it
will
be
conducted
by
chris
wright
after
such
time.
I
believe
that
we
have
some
speaker
cards,
however,
you're
more
than
welcome
to
do
this
in
whatever
order
you
want.
This
is
not
a
typical
application
where
we
have
a
an
applicant
presentation,
so
to
speak.
So
if
you'd
like
to
start
with
the
staff
presentation
and
then
take
public
comment
or.
G
Good
evening,
chair
commissioners,
members
of
the
public-
this
is
item
8a,
it's
a
west,
pico
corridor,
specific
plan
and
expansion
of
the
architectural
overlay
district
next
slide.
This
project
was
initiated
by
the
city
council
in
2021
the
approvals
that
are
requested.
It's
a
city
initiative
project
with
the
general
plan,
amendment
a
specific
plan,
amendment,
a
land
use
plan,
amendment
for
the
local
coastal
program
and
then
a
zoning
amendment
for
the
zoning
map
and
parts
of
zoning
ordinance
the
review
process.
G
After
we
had
the
city
council
meeting,
we
had
a
number
of
community
meetings
which
we
sent
a
notice
to
the
all
the
property
owners.
That
would
be
part
of
this
project
area.
For
that
first
meeting,
and
in
that
notice
we
let
everyone
know
that
there
would
be
a
project
website
which
they
could
continue
to
get
updates
on
this
project
and
we've
been
updating
it
routinely.
G
G
Also,
there
are
some
changes
that
staff's
recommending
that
I've
provided
copies
on
we'll
go
through
those,
so
staff
would
request
that
those
be
included
in
to
the
record
as
part
of
the
action
next
slide,
please
so
the
first
part
of
this
to
really
emphasize
the
majority
of
the
documents
before
you
are
not
substantive
changes.
G
There's
changes
that
I'm
going
to
try
to
focus
on
the
big,
the
big
pieces
that
council
directed
us
to
pursue,
the
first
of
which
is
to
make
a
land
use
change
in
the
los
molinos
industrial
park.
This
is
a
cleanup
item
so
right
now
there
is
a
split
of
the
land
use
boundaries
between
high
industrial
and
light
industrial
in
these
two
parcels
at
1510,
avenida
de
la
estrella,
there's
currently
a
towing
service
and
salvage
yard
there.
So
that
is
a
non-conforming
use
under
the
light
industrial
zone
by
changing
it
to
high
industrial.
G
It
would
make
that
use
conforming.
So
that's
the
first
intent.
The
second
is,
it
makes
it
easier
to
implement
policy
and
rules
when
there's
one
zone
and
that's
best
practice
to
to
have
the
outcome
of
the
city
council
did
say
they
did
not.
They
wanted
to
exclude
the
ability
to
have
concrete
batch
plants.
That's
a
use.
You
can
get
in
a
heavy
industrial
zone
with
a
conditional
use
rent.
They
do
not
want
that
to
be
an
option.
G
So
that's
reflected
in
the
amendments
you
have
that
by
allowing
this
change,
it
would
allow
at
most
12
000
square
feet
of
new
floor
area
on
the
properties.
However,
we
should
note
that
there's
driveways,
often
in
these
light
industrial
areas
that
would
limit
that
potential
next
slide.
G
The
next
change
is
an
expansion
of
the
architectural
overlay
district,
where
spanish
colonial
revival
is
required.
The
gray
parcels
on
this
map
as
the
downtown
and
purebull,
where
that
type
of
architecture
is
required
in
the
district.
This
would
add
the
orange
parcels.
The
intent
here
is
to
add
parcels
that
adjoin
primary
circulation
routes
between
the
downtown
and
the
purebull
so
to
have
one
cohesive
district
when
you're
driving
through
the
area
and
that
actually
is
compatible
with
the
purebull
specific
plan
guidelines.
It
makes
a
little
easier
to
implement
those
for
that
look.
G
This
would
require
changes
to
the
general
plan
map,
zoning
map
and
and
other
things
that
that
are
all
in
your
amendments
next
slide.
Please,
then,
the
next
direction
was
to
update
the
pure
bull
specific
plan
to
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan
that
was
updated
in
2014
with
some
amendments,
since
as
part
of
the
updates,
there
is
a
general
plan
los
molino's
focus
area
that
came
out
of
the
general
plan
update
with
policies
for
los
molinas
and
starting
this
project.
G
G
In
addition,
there
is
a
green
shaded
area,
that's
part
of
benito
canyon
park
that
is
recommended
as
part
of
public
input.
The
number
of
the
businesses
in
the
area
had
suggested,
including
it
so,
if
you're,
driving
down
de
los
molinos
and
any
public
improvements
for
the
park,
maybe
have
the
same
type
of
design
that
you
would,
you
would
have
in
los
molinos,
according
to
the
design
guidelines
that
was,
that
was
the
intent
there.
G
Then
the
red
shaded
parcels
are
on
cai
lago
and
north
el
camino
real.
They
are
light
industrial
currently,
but
they
have
four
overlays
of
which,
if
they
redevelop
the
property,
it's
supposed
to
be
mixed,
use
or
commercial,
because
that's
a
cleanup
item
to
make
it
part
of
this
specific
plant.
Currently
we
don't
have
zoning
standards.
So
city
council
supported
this
idea
of
expanding
the
area
of
the
specific
plan
next
slide.
G
All
the
standards
that
we've
incorporated
into
these
amendments
are
to
implement
and
be
fully
consistent
with
the
general
plan,
which
is
a
requirement
of
state
law.
So
again,
the
primary
objective
of
this
project
is
to
make
our
documents
consistent
next
slide.
Please,
then,
there
is
a
general
plan,
implementation
measure
and
some
policies
that
pertain
to
which
stock,
which
type
of
architecture
is
required.
G
In
this
pro
specific
plan
area,
there's
policies
that
say
you
should
have
spanish
or
spanish
colonial
revival
and
vio
pico,
plaza
and
pico
corridor,
including
the
maintenance
yard
and
areas
that
are
not
adjoining
the
I-5,
freeway
and
ebony
to
pico
off
ramp
and
intersection
staff
is
recommending
to
make
that
all
spanish
colonial
revival
so
that
you
exit
the
freeway
and
you
travel
down
pico.
You
have
one
style
of
design
that
follows
through
to
north
beach
and
down
consistently.
G
G
We
in
this
document
we
include
some
design
guidelines
for
that,
and
we
on
this
map
have
a
line
through
those
parcels
because
the
back
of
those
properties
sloped
down
to
los
molinos,
and
when
you
have
any
improvements
below
el
camino
real.
It
really
fits
in
more
with
los
molinos
than
the
spanish
district.
So
this
map
indicates
that
the
purple
area,
including
the
back
of
those
properties,
would
be
in
the
los
molinos
district.
G
There
was
a
lot
of
focus,
a
lot
of
meetings
with
businesses
in
los
molinos,
to
discuss
what
is
los
molino's
architecture,
because
our
policy
is
broad
just
as
an
eclectic
mix
of
design
and
architecture
public
art.
So
we
had
a
lot
of
discussions
about
what
that
means.
We
had
a
designer
subcommittee
meeting
and
ended
up,
including
a
vision
statement
to
lay
out
what
type
of
design
should
be
considered
when
a
project
comes
forward,
but
there
are
not
a
lot
of
design
guidelines
added
to
that
area.
Just
little
adjustments
to
reflect
that
vision.
G
G
But
I
have
the
word
document
if
you
did
want
to
see
the
strikethrough
and
underline
edits
what
I
suggest
going
to
go
through
this
document
is
after
public
comment
to
go
through
it
by
tab
and
then,
when
we
get
to
the
specific
plan
to
go
by
chapter,
if
you
can
tell
me,
if
you
have
any
comments
on
pages
or
questions,
you
could
go
over
those
and
we
can
go
through
their
rata
as
we
get
to
the
specific
plan.
B
Thank
you
very
much
just
to
confirm
is
the
errata
available
to
the
public
and
or
especially
to
those
people
that
are
here.
G
B
G
G
B
E
Mr
sure,
I
would
actually
recommend
that
we
follow
mr
wright's
lead
here,
maybe
take
a
public
comment
and
then,
if
at
the
end
of
it,
if
those
comments
are
handled
in
here,
he
can
simply
indicate
that,
but
I'd
hate
to
hold
up
the
public.
While
we
go
through
all
this,
maybe
get
their
comments
up
front
and
then
that
would
be,
you
know,
give
them
the
time
to
stay
or
go
if
they
want.
B
Okay,
I
guess
two
questions
one
chris:
how
long
do
you
think
it
would
take
to
go
through
the
errata
and
two
mal?
Do
you
want
to
weigh
in
on
this
question.
B
E
B
B
G
I
was
just
for
everyone
to
know.
I
was
preparing
this
like
up
to
an
hour
before
the
meeting,
so
sorry
so,
and
that
the
reason
for
that
is,
we
wanted
to
make
this
meeting
move
smoothly
by
trying
to
limit
the
amount
of
changes
we
make
here
at
the
meeting.
So
I
I'll
go
through
these
items.
The
first
is
to
replace
a
map
in
the
document
for
the
general
plan
overlays.
G
We
I
noticed
that
the
lane
use
designations
and
the
general
plan
were
shown
on
the
map
in
addition
to
the
overlays.
So
it's
a
cleanup,
it's
not
it's
just
to
clean
up
the
map
and
only
show
the
overlays.
G
G
G
Currently
there's
light
industrial,
and
I
had
added
language
in
these
amendments
to
identify
that
point
in
which
light
industrial
uses
should
end
and
when
mixed
use
or
commercial
should
begin,
and
that's
like
the
official
zone
for
the
the
properties,
and
we
got
comments
about-
maybe
changing
the
nature
of
when
that
that
breaking
point
is
so.
I
added
language
in
here.
G
Until
there
is
zoning
approval
and
building
permits
are
issued
for
the
development
of
a
commercial
or
mixed
use,
project
according
to
standards
and
permitted
uses
in
this
section
and
other
applicable
overlay
standards
versus
unless
there
is
a
change
of
use
or
industrial
uses,
are
discontinued
more
than
a
year
and
then
towards
the
end.
There
was
a
comment
regarding
an
inconsistency
with
the
floor:
air
ratio
for
the
property
in
the
general
plan.
It's
2.0,
so
I
clean
that
up
from
1.5
and
then
the
minimum
commercial
floor
area.
We
had
0.2
and
change
it
to
0.1.
G
Talking
with
mark
mcguire,
there's
some
really
good
comments
about
how
that
one
property
north
on
north
el
camino
rial
is
landlocked,
and
so
the
intent
with
the
visitor
serving
commercial
district
is
that
you
have
40
feet
of
commercial
at
the
ground
floor
for
pedestrian
uses.
These
properties
are
not
very
visible
to
north
el
camino,
real.
They
are
pushed
back.
It's
it's
frankly,
pretty
unlikely
that
you
would
attract
uses
other
than
maybe
service
businesses
or
offices-
that's
probably
more
likely,
maybe
occasional
restaurants,
but
well
I
I
just.
G
I
staff
supports
these
changes
with
a
calculation
of
what
is
the
approximate
amount
of
floor
area
for
a
40
foot
deep
area
along
these
properties,
and
we
came
to
0.1
so
and
then
applying
it
over
the
entirety
of
those
of
that
area
versus
on
each
parcel,
because
it's
it's
quite
likely
that
with
incentives
here
to
merge
one
or
more,
you
know
two
or
three
of
these
parcels
to
develop
them,
and
then
that
would
accommodate
that
and
make
it
a
little
simpler
to
implement
these
standards
so
that
that's
what
this
item
is
and
just
to
know,
we
can
come
back
to
all
this,
but
or
just
for
the
public.
G
Oh
we'll
go
through
it.
So
the
the
next
item
is
to
replace
the
roadways
map.
There
was
a
note
that
it
showed
some
streets
and
some
properties
we
just
used
the
data
we
had
and
ended
up
taking
off
the
one
of
the
layers
to
only
show
the
arterial
streets,
that's
just
a
cleanup
item
and
then
on
page
g45.
G
There
is
a
reference.
It's
just
cleaning
up
a
section
reference
instead
of
referring
to
the
landscape,
character,
description
in
chapter
2
and
in
the
design
guidelines.
More
generally,
so
that's
just
a
section
of
reference
cleanup
on
page
g56
for
the
los
molinos
district,
I
had
observed
that
the
language
was
more
restrictive
than
the
zoning
code.
G
The
zoning
code
says
that
you
should
have
10
feet
of
landscaping
between
a
street
and
a
parking
lot
and
it
was
worded
from
the
property
line
versus
from
the
street.
So
I
changed
that
wording
and
also
added
a
sentence
here
and
public
visible
landscaping
between
a
street
and
structures
with
adequate
space
to
support
street
trees.
Basically
at
least
four
feet
from
the
sidewalk,
because
there
are
standards
to
have
street
trees
along
the
street
and
that
would
accommodate
it
without
getting
into
exactly
how
requiring
a
setback
or
so
much
specific
landscaping.
G
G
It's
a
cleanup.
A
section
letter
was
wrong,
so
I
changed
it
to
a
on
g77
wait.
I
think
I've
put
one
two
times
yeah
this
this
one's
two
times:
sorry
g77
architectural
guidelines.
G
There
is
removal
of
and
warm
light
colors,
because
there's
examples
in
the
document
and
there's
examples
of
buildings
currently
in
las
vellinos,
with
like
a
darker
gray,
color
that
are
attractive
and
we
didn't
want
to
limit
businesses
from
being
able
to
do
that.
So
we
took
that
out
and
then
for
the
roof
guidelines
in
los
molinos.
G
We
removed
wall
because
that's
not
pertaining
to
roofs
and
then
including
unfinished
metal
reference
roofing
and
just
leave
it
at
highly
reflective
surfaces
or
strongly
discouraged,
and
that
was
the
intent
all
along
for
those
kai
lago
and
north
el
camino,
real
properties.
G
It's
to
add
the
existing
use
of
the
property
so
that
it's
conforming,
which
is
commercial
storage
and
I
limited
those
properties,
so
their
self
storage
and
recreational
vehicle
storage
to
make
that
those
properties
conforming.
I
put
that
use
there.
That
was
in
response
to
comments
from
mark
mcguire
for
the
light
light
industrial
development
standards,
like
I
have
pointed
out
before,
the
change
in
the
wording
and
when
something
has
to
become
mixed
use
on
those
three
parcels
that
same
text
is
in
here.
G
So
that's
it's
just
maintaining
what
we've
already
discussed
same
with
this
next
item
until
their
zoning
approval
and
building
permits
on
those
three
properties,
and
then
this
is
to
change
three
development
standards
on
those
properties.
One
we
already
talked
about
with
the
commercial
floor
area
over
the
entirety
of
the
zone.
G
The
next
is
the
height.
So
if
you're
doing
a
parking
structure
at
1623,
north
el
camino
real
that
property
drops
into
a
bowl,
so
there's
a
hole
there
and
to
accommodate
a
mixed-use
project
with
parking
at
the
first
level.
This
would
measure
the
height.
If
you
did
a
parking
structure
at
the
first
level,
the
height
would
be
measured
from
north
alchemy,
real,
so
that
when
you
look
at
the
project,
it
would
be
three
stories
and
it
would
comply
with
that
height
limit.
G
You
wouldn't
see
that
parking
level
below
in
the
hole,
and
that
would
be
only
if
you're
doing
mixed
use
on
the
property
and
then
the
last
thing.
I
think
that's
a
lot.
I
don't
know
the
changes
are
already
talked
about
when
those
three
properties
have
to
become
mixed
use.
You
have
it
here
in
standard
18,
and
you
have
it
on
this
next
page
g155
right
here.
B
A
G
Well,
if
they
don't
pull
the
permit
and
they're
not
going
to
pursue
the
project
yeah,
you
know.
The
idea
is
that
you're
changing
the
use
of
the
property
and
the
revised
wording
is
to
I
it's
meant
to
tie
it
more
to
an
investment
in
a
project
right.
Someone
is
pursuing
a
project
to
change
the
use
of
the
property
versus
taking
a
building
and
switching
out
a
use
of
a
building.
B
F
Hello,
my
name
is
gary
jacobini
has
been
said,
and
I've
been
a
long
time
in
that
area
in
las
vegas
and
I've
been
working
with
staff
and
and
we're
with
chris
and
our
group
here
guys
in
the
area,
business
owners
listening
to
everything-
and
I
had
a
little
presentation-
I
hope
it's
up
there
or
not,
but
yes,
we'll
we'll
pull
it
up.
F
Does
that
for
us-
and
I
I
wanted
to
show
some
of
those
slides
just
my
thing-
is
always
safety
and
cleaning
up
thing
and
making
it
neat?
How
do
we
get
in
the
city
and
working
with
the
owners
to
accomplish
this
and
make
it
more
is
becoming
more
like
the
brewery
and
more
of
the
investment
coming
in
there?
F
I
can
see
the
area
changing
to
be
this
special
area
and,
as
I
was
showing
sidewalks
that's
one
of
the
things
that
chris
and
I
worked
on
and
in
our
group
is
how
to
make
that
corridor,
and
you
look
at
the
general
plan.
It
tells
you
in
there
this
los
molinos
is
like
the
gateway
you're
going
to
walk
somewhere
in
the
business.
There
have
a
nice
sidewalk,
that's
flat,
and
you
know
when
we
have
limited
it's
kind
of
like
balboa
island.
We
have
little
spaces
sometimes.
F
F
And
then
we
don't
end
up
with
all
you
look
around
the
different
places
down.
There
you'll
see
all
kinds
of
configurations,
so
I
think
this
is
going
to
standardize
it.
So
we
can
get
a
nice
sidewalk
and
if
trees
go
in
and
try
to
take
the
load
off
the
city
and
have
the
trees
that
goes
back
into
the
into
the
property
owners.
And
you
know
I
mean
that's.
F
My
whole
thing
is
safety
and,
having
a
you,
know,
minimal
landscape
to
you
know
to
make
it
you
don't
want
to
make
it
look
like
all
concrete,
but
on
the
other
hand
it
is
a
business
park
and
it
isn't
going
to
be.
You
know,
sorry
again,
so
that's
kind
of
the
gist
of
it.
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
I'm
here
to
support
staff
and
and
everybody.
So
if
there's
any
questions,
I.
B
F
Board
of
the
public
right
away
and
that's
what
chris
and
I
have
had
long
discussions
on
how
you
do
this,
because
some
places
the
property
line
and
the
building's
right
up
against
you
don't
have
the
the
distance.
He
was
calling
out
ten
feet
and
that's
not
going
to
work.
You're
gonna
have
to
plant
a
tree
in
the
building.
F
You
know
because
it
isn't
gonna
work
in
places,
so
I've
walked
the
area,
and
I
actually
done
it
recently
and
taking
pictures
of
every
area,
and
I
said
how
can
we
get
something
that
works
through
the
whole
place
without
tearing
up
everything
and
as
if
somebody
pulls
a
permit
to
do
something?
Well,
then
that
city
would
say:
okay,
let's
do
the
sidewalk
this
way
and
my
my
proposal,
like
you,
see
there
with
the
grass
on
the
inside,
you
get
out
of
your
car
and
you
step
in
that
mess
right
there.
F
So
if
you
flip
flop,
it
basically
and
put
the
grass
and
maybe
because
you're
eight
feet
from
the
curb
is
where
the
city
property
goes.
So
basically,
you're
flip-flopping
you've
got
a
40-inch,
48-inch,
driveway
or
sidewalk.
Then
you
have
that
two-foot
area
that
is
part
of
the
city
and
then
that
could
be
incorporated
with
some
of
the
property
on
the
owner
to
make
a
planner
box
or
a
tree
or
whatever
might
you
know
fit
in
this?
F
You
know
with
the
decor
or
whatever
building
they're
doing
that's
my
vision
of
seeing
it
and
I
think
that's
what
chris
is
trying
to
achieve
there.
It's
it's
not
and
not
one
paintbrush
is
gonna.
Do
it
all,
but
that's
I
think,
that's
the
closest
thing
I
can
see.
F
A
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
larry
culbertson
and
I'm
here
represent
representing
the
historical
society
for
the
part
of
this
issue,
the
expansion
of
the
architectural
overlay.
But
I
would
like
to
comment
on
the
los
palinos
part
of
the
of
the
project,
which
is
the
vast
majority
of
it.
I'm
not
a
property
owner
in
that
area,
but
I've
been
a
a
shopper
down
there,
a
customer
down
there
for
42
years,
and
it's
looked
a
little
bit
rough
over
the
years.
A
A
A
It
looks
like
about
150
parcels.
It
would
have
been
good
to
have
included
these
parcels
when
the
overlay
was
first
established,
but
it's
better
to
do
it
now
than
than
never.
It
would
also
be
interesting
to
know
which
of
those
properties
which
of
those
150
were
remodeled
over
the
years
and
did
not
get
the
spanish
colonial
revival
architecture
that
they
will
get
once
they're
they're
included.
A
A
There
should
be
a
spur
going
down:
el
portal,
avenida,
aragon
and
avenida
poniente,
all
the
way
to
plaza
park
and
the
school,
maybe
another
little
spur
down
esplanade.
That
was
the
historic
bridal
trail,
but
I
guess
that
would
be
for
another
day.
So
I
believe
that
the
report
provides
what
is
needed
to
make
the
findings
to
approve
this
project.
So
please
do
it.
Thank
you.
D
Hello:
everybody
I'm
the
owner
of
a
1315
north
el
camino,
real,
my
building
and
another
at
1307,
north
el
camino,
real,
are
one
of
the
locations
with
entrances
at
north.
G
El
camino
real
that
slope
downward
too,
and
are
also
on
caye
valley
in
the
los
molinos
district.
For
some
reason,
we
were
excluded
from
the
architectural
overlay
mapping
associated
with
the
zoning
ordinance
17
56
20..
G
That
would
allow
us
to
use
spanish
architecture
for
the
new
development
on
the
front
on
el
camino
and
and
then
used
the
los
molinos
design
guidelines
on
the
back.
D
G
Outlet
today,
my
location
is
known
as
being
really
one
of
the
first
surf
shops
in
the
west
pico
corridor,
which
was
started
by
dale
bilsey,
who.
G
Vilsi's
credited
with
opening
the
first
surf
shop
of
any
kind.
A
little
farther
north
prior
to
this
location
is
the
inventor
of
the
pig
longboard.
D
As
well
as
countless
other
shaping
and
marketing
innovations
he's
in
the
surfing
hall
of
fame
and
is
greatly
recognized
in
the
surf
heritage,
museum
in
san
clemente
velci
also
gave
start
to
bruce
brown's
film
career.
D
My
location
is
featured
in
one
of
his
first
movies
slippery
and
wet
that
included
scenes
with
henry
ford
brown
later
went
on
to
produce
endless
summer
and
numerous
other
legendary
works
and
was
recently
recognized
with
pieces
in
the
smithsonian
brown's
entire
work,
collection
and
other
artifacts
are
also
greatly
recognized
within
the
surf
heritage
museum
in
san
clemente
as
well.
So
as
a
result
of
these
considerations,
I
really
think
that
our
locations
are
as
closely
tied
to
the
surf
culture
of.
G
San
clementes
as
possible
and
as
a
result,
we
would
like
to
be
included
in
the
architectural
overlay
so
that
we
can
represent
it
on
that
back
side.
Also,
I
I
just
saw
that.
D
That
we
should
look
look
at
so
really.
What
we
would
like
to
do
is
be
able
to
be
included
in
that
overlay
so
that
we
can
really
do
that
and
reflect
reflect
the
the
culture
of
the
building
and
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
in
that
area.
Thanks
for
your
time
and
trying
to
help
ensure
that
we
can
maintain
the
culture
and
history
of
this
great
area.
C
Mine
with
where
we're
trying
to
go
because
of
the
reasons
that
I
said
I
mean
it
doesn't
get
much
more
related.
B
B
Yeah
chris,
can
you
for
our
benefit
relative
to
his
comment?
Can
you
show
us
on
an
exhibit
or
something
where
he's
talking
about.
F
B
E
A
Good
evening,
chairman
mccann
and
members
of
the
commission,
I
I'll
start
by
saying
congr
thank
you
host
chairman
crandall
for
your
years
as
the
chairman,
the
first
time,
I'm
seeing
you
on
the
side
over
there
you're
now
less
relevant
to
me
no
and
welcome
chairman
mccann,
I
just
wanna,
I
I'm
speaking
as
to
those
three
red
parcels.
I
represent
two
of
the
owner
of
two
of
those
parcels.
If
you
go
back
to
that,
exhibit
chris
that
you
just
had
that
show
showed
those
parcels
in
there.
A
A
Most
of
those
changes
are
clarifying
to
be
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
general
plan
in
terms
of
the
maximum.
Far
that's
allowed
to
be
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and
to
make
clear
that
the
existing
uses
are
legal,
conforming
uses,
not
legal
non-conforming
uses,
and
then
there
were
some
technical
and
detailed
changes
that
chris
was
kind
enough
to
dig
in
with
me
on.
How
can
you
make
those
properties
ultimately
convert
from
the
light
industrial
uses
that
are
there
and
have
been
there
for
a
long
time?
A
I
a
group
that
I
was
part
of,
purchased
those
properties
in
2003
and
worked
on
a
mixed-use
project
in
the
middle
of
that
decade
and
then
sold
it
when
the
recession
hit
in
2008,
and
so
it's
a
long
time
coming
to
bring
some
of
those
areas
to
life.
It
just
takes
a
long
time.
A
We
all
know
that
and
with
the
adjustments
that
were
made
in
chris's
errata,
I
feel
like
the
it
gives
it
the
best
chance
to
over
time,
convert
to
the
mixed
use
that
that'll
be
really
attractive,
and
I
just
put
for
you
know
curiosity's
sake,
if
you're
interested,
that
that
was
the
project
that
we
were
working
on,
the
way
that
project
worked
was
we
had
the
empty
lot
next
to
shade
tree
and
a
little
office
building
next
shade
tree.
A
That
also
has
the
driveway
down
to
the
self
storage,
and
we
had
a
mixed-use
project
that
had
all
the
parking
at
a
lower
level,
12
feet
below
the
street
level,
and
then
the
buildings
were
on
top
of
that
and
it
was
mixed
use
with
the
commercial
on
the
front
along
el
camino,
real
and
then
residential
in
the
back
that
it's
the
type
of
thing
that
I
think
can
work
in
the
future
and
these
current
owners.
A
They
now
have
assembled
one
additional
key
parcel,
which
is
108
lago,
which
is
another
1.4
acres,
and
with
that
parcel
combined
with
these
that
they
purchased
from
us,
they
really
have
an
opportunity
at
some
point
in
the
future
to
do
a
great
project.
So
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
if
there
aren't
any,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
chris
for
the
changes
that
he
made.
I
think
they're
all
perfect
and
I'm
very
happy
with
him.
B
I
think
I'd
like
to
take
chris's
suggestion
and
just
kind
of
go
through
it
in
a
segmented
way
like
what
do
we
have
in
tab,
one
or
chapter
one
or
whatever,
unless
there's
which
I
think
we
should
proceed
that
way,
unless
there's
some
kind
of
big
picture
questions
or
issues
that
someone
wants
to
dig
in
at
the
beginning,
does
anybody
have
anything
like
that.
B
Well,
we're
not
going
to
read
it,
I'm
suggesting
I'm
going
to
say:
okay,
does
anybody
have
any
any
comments
relative
to
you
know
the
general,
the
the
you
know
chapter
one
or
chapter
two
or
section
five
or
whatever
I
mean
just,
do
we
wanna
do
that
or
do
you
guys
have
a
lot
of
comments?
I.
A
F
A
C
C
Chair
mccann,
before
moving
on,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
close
the
public
hearing
portion
since
the
public
has
made
their
comments.
B
C
For
most
applications,
it
would
be
typically
a
quicker
process.
I
believe,
but
in
this
case
since
we're
going
into
deliberations,
I
do
think
there's
a
customer
to
close
the
public
hearing.
B
A
Start
with
regard
to
the
sidewalk
issue,
I'm
assuming
that
that
brewery
that's
a
fairly
recent
project
where
the
landscape
was
installed
adjacent
to
the
street,
but
it's
being
proposed
now
that
future
projects
that's
going
to
be
shifted
to
the
property
right
and
the
concrete
or
the
sidewalk
is
just
going
to
be
along
the
street
is
that
is
that
part
of
this?
G
Yeah,
there's
there's
a
couple
a
little
more
to
that,
so
there
is
eight
feet
of
public
right-of-way
along
kai
de
los
molinos.
We
spoke
with
our
public
works
department
and
in
discussion
about
their
general
plan
policy.
It
says
that
there
should
be
a
defined
street
edge.
That's
landscaped
on
kai
de
los
molinos
over
time.
G
Now,
if
you're
doing
minor
projects,
there's
a
lot
less
opportunity
to
add
landscaping
than
if
you're
doing
a
redevelopment
project,
and
we
added
text
in
this
document
a
whole
subsection
to
to
discuss
that
how
efforts
should
be
made.
G
There
is
also
business
comments
about
wanting
to
have
the
sidewalk
adjacent
to
the
curb.
So
if
you
park
it's
easier
to
get
out
of
your
car
and
go
on
the
sidewalk,
also
to
perhaps
make
it
a
little
easier
and
safer
for
pedestrian
traffic,
considering
big
trucks
go
into
this
industrial
area
by
having
the
sidewalk
closer
to
the
street,
it's
probably
going
to
be
more
visible,
so
with
six
feet
six
inches
of
curb
four
feet
of
sidewalk,
then
you
have
three
and
a
half
feet
of
public
property
for
landscaping.
G
A
G
G
Yes,
so
there's
a
design
guideline
that
says
there
should
be
10
feet
between
the
street
and
parking
areas
and
there
should
be
landscaping
between
the
street
and
structures
with
sufficient
space,
so
that
there's
at
least
four
feet
between
a
tree
and
the
sidewalk
like
a
public
works
staff,
said.
G
G
C
The
municipal
code
requires
property
owners
to
maintain
landscaping
up
to
the
curb,
currently
even
maintaining,
curb
and
gutter.
So
improvements
in
the
right-of-way
are
currently
their
responsibility.
It
would
remain
the
same.
A
Okay,
the
other
question
I
had
just
real
quick
is
all
right
sure,
so
the
four
parcels
that
this
gentleman
was
referring
to
is
there
any.
C
This
project
was
initiated
by
the
city
council
that
is
essentially
where
this
direction
came
from
they.
This
was
not
part
of
that
council
initiation.
There
is
an
avenue
for
for
making
these
types
of
changes
in
the
future.
However,
it
would
be
applicant
initiated
if
the
planning
commission
would
like
to
include
as
part
of
a
recommendation
that
the
council
consider
those
parcels
that
could
be
something
that
staff
would
take
to
the
city
council
as
part
of
this
project
moving
forward.
C
However,
at
this
point
in
time
that
the
these
were
not
part
of
the
public's
ability
to
review,
I'm
sorry,
not
part
of
the
public's
review
of
the
project,
that's
before
the
planning
commission
right
now.
G
Let's
have
a
comment
on
that:
there's
a
one
of
the
properties
that
staff
disagrees
with,
including
there
if
there
is
support
for
this,
and
the
commission
wants
to
in
their
motion,
recommend
the
city
council
to
include
them.
Steph
doesn't
recommend,
including
the
corner
property,
because
it's
not
functioning
in
sas
position
in
the
same
way
as
the
other
lots.
G
It's
a
hotel.
It
doesn't.
A
big
difference
is
that
the
property,
when
it
slopes
down
a
good
amount
of
where
it
slopes
down,
is
still
visible
at
the
north,
el
camino
real.
So
it's
not
like
the
other
properties
where
they're
tucked
away
more,
they
slope
down
and
they're
more
directly
facing
los
molinos.
So
that's
that's!
That's
that's
sas
position
on
that.
C
Yes,
that
would
that
recommendation
would
could
be
considered
by
the
council,
but
their
inclusion
as
part
of
this
project
is
not
possible
at
this
point.
C
I
don't
I
I
think
we
should
have
so
it
could
be
before
the
council
meeting.
Okay.
B
Okay
with
that,
mr
crandall,
you
suggested
that
we
start
with
the
general
plan
amendment.
Where
would
where
would
we
find
that
in
the
binder.
A
A
E
B
G
B
G
And
I'll
just
just
to
help
chapter
one
is
the
introduction,
so
I'll
kind
of
give
you
it's
the
purpose
and
objectives
describing
the
west
pico
corridor
area,
including
the
los
molinos
focus
area,
what
the
general
plan,
designations
and
overlays
are
and
the
existing
land
uses
and
how
this
specific
plan
relates
to
other
documents
and
the
history
of
planning
efforts
for
the
area.
That's
chapter,
one.
A
A
C
Because
that's
undoubtedly
yeah
staff's
recommendation
would
be
that
the
the
four
properties
be
addressed
as
a
separate
item
and
a
general
statement.
If
this
is
the
commission's
desire
to
move
forward
with
that
recommendation,
is
that
the
documents
pertaining
or
relating
to
those
four
parcels
be
updated
to
reflect
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
yeah,
and
that
can
be
done
in
one
motion
at
the
end.
C
B
B
A
That's
exactly
right:
this
is
a
recommendation
to
council,
so
you
can
add
things
based
on
public
comment
that
are
that
pertain
to
what
has
been
agendized.
This
is,
but
this
is
a
recommendation
to
council.
If
we
were
approving
this,
then
we
could
not
approve
those
things
that
are
added
tonight,
but
you
can
certainly
add
it
to
the
list
of
issues
to
be
considered
by
council.
There's
no
issue
with
that
at
all.
Okay,.
B
F
I
just
have
a
question
about
figure:
1
1-4,
you
know
so
whatever
page
that
is
g23
but
like
so
you
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
where
you
got
the
little
red
right
there
and
it
carved
out
all
those
those
buildings
like.
I
guess
like
towards
us
that
are
still
in
gray
there.
G
G
G
I
do
the
the
one.
The
one
item
that
I
had
suggested
gary
to
ask
the
commission
about-
and
it's
not
in
the
errata-
is
regarding
whether
to
have
eight
feet
versus
10
feet.
So
it
is
important
that
there
would
be
enough
landscaping
on
the
private
parcels
to
support
street
trees
that
that's
important,
so
that
would
calculating
that
out.
That
means
there
needs
to
be
at
least
eight
feet
of
landscaping
between
the
street
and
parking
areas
and
buildings
so
to
support
street
trees
when
they're
required
for
new
development.
G
G
B
G
That's
right,
so
the
the
key
consideration
is
the
total
landscaped
area
and
we
recognize
on
kai
de
los
muerlinos.
That's
where
most
street
trees
are
going
to
be
installed
over
time.
Okay
and
there's
three
and
a
half
feet
of
public
property
for
landscaping,
and
then
there
would
need
to
be
what
is
that
yeah,
more
landscaping
on
the
private
parcel.
B
B
B
B
B
G
E
Quite
a
few
actually,
please
all
right
so
first
off
the
starting
on
g31,
these
overlay
districts
or
zones.
E
At
a
high
level,
I'm
not
going
to
highlight
let's
go
in
order.
G32
number
three
mixed
overlay:
we've
got
a
mixed
overlay
that
we
want
to
apply
to
the
kali
largo
parcels
and
the
1623
north
el
camino
real,
but
you've
got
here
for
properties.
Existing
industrial
uses
may
continue.
Unless
there
is
a
change
of
use
or
industrial
uses
are
discontinued
for
more
than
one
year.
E
G
Yeah,
this
is
the
subject
of
one
of
the
errata
okay,
so
the
errata
changes
that
text
accordingly
here
eliminates
that
it
now
it
changes
the
wording
it
says
for
these
properties.
Existing
industrial
uses
may
continue
until
there
is
zoning
approval
and
building
permits
are
issued
for
the
development
of
a
commercial
or
mixed-use
project
according
to
standards
and
permitted
uses
in
this
section
that.
E
That
address
is
my
concern.
Okay,
great
the
next
one
is
number
I'm
just
going
to
move
along.
Exactly
there's
too
many
comments,
so
I
want
to
be
quick.
Number
four.
Is
the
north
beach
parking
overlay
on
the
same
parcels
on
cali,
largo
and
1623
north
el
camino
real?
What
is
a
north
beach
parking
overlay.
F
E
Okay-
okay,
that's
great!
Next
one
is
number
five:
the
professional
business
overlay
here,
we're
talking
about
the
pico
plaza
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure.
Maybe
you
can
expand
on
where
the
interest
to
make
pico
plaza
to
incentivize
through
a
bonus,
a
density
bonus,
small
colleges
and
university
institutional
uses.
G
It
can
it's
in
the
general
plan,
the
j,
so
the
changes
we
have
in
here
are
to
mimic
the
general
plan,
and
I
wasn't
part
of
drafting
that.
Okay.
E
G
G
E
E
I
guess
it's
a
little
out
of
our
scope
or
our
lane
to
comment
on
the
wisdom
of
the
general
plan
indicating
this,
but
I
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea.
Retail
is
very
important
to
the
city's
economic
vitality
and
to
start
this
place
in
retail,
with
institutional
uses,
just
because
of
the
plaza
itself
is
maybe
not
doing
well,
I
seems
like
a
mistake,
but
you
know
I
guess
I'll
stay
in
my
lane
and
not
it
could
change
on
that,
but
I
just
was
questioning
it
because
it
doesn't
make
sense.
E
The
other
thing
is,
I
want
to
just
say
the
visitor
serving
commercial
district
overlay.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
I'm
glad
to
see
it's
in
there.
The
next
thing
I
had
was
on.
A
A
E
On
g43
is
a
figure
2-6
bikeways,
and
is
this
just
the
reflection
of
the
current
general
plan
christopher,
or
is
this
something
new
and
what
I'm
getting
at
on
these
on
this
bikeways
diagram
figure
2-6
is.
E
There
is
called
out
on
el
camino
real,
a
class
2
bike
trail,
which
is
an
on-street
bike
trail
which
doesn't
exist
today.
It
would
be
pretty
scary
to
put
an
on-street
bike
trail
on
that
street.
So
what
is
this
designation?
Is
this
just
part
of
the
general
plan-
and
it's
just
in
here
for
consistency,
or
is
this
something
being
proposed
new?
E
G
Simply
it
is
part
of
the
general
plan
in
a
way.
So
when
the
general
plan
was
adopted,
it
was
done
so
with
a
bicycle
and
pedestrian
master
plan
and
that
master
plan
is
referenced
in
the
mobility
element,
so
they're
they're
intertwined
and
were
adopted
the
same
evening.
So
this
document
for
the
planned
bikeways
is
consistent
with
that
master
plan.
Okay,.
E
So
we're
not
we're
not
introducing
it
here.
It's
just
part
of
what's
been
there
all
along
correct,
okay,
good.
That
was
just
a
concern.
That's
that's
all
my
comments
on
chapter
two.
Thanks,
no
problem.
F
F
G
A
G
Three
and
a
big
component
of
this
is
to
establish
those
design
districts.
G
I
had
that
map
that
I
think
it's
page
g48
and
it
establishes
these
design
districts
based
upon
policies
in
the
general
plan,
including
the
las
velenos
design
district,
where
much
of
the
discussion
was
on
this
project,
with
los
molina's
businesses
to
craft
that
vision,
statement.
G
And
then
we
took
good
content
from
the
telega
specific
plan
as
a
number
of
design
guidelines
for
other
spanish,
like
monterey
and
mission,
to
account
for
el
camino,
real
that
this
is
more
of
a
complete
chapter
to
address
the
different
districts
in
the
specific
plan.
A
So
these
other
types
of
spanish
architecture
do
you
have
any
examples,
even
if
there
are
existing
buildings
within
san
clemente
on
in
I
know
you
describe
them,
you
describe
the
style,
but
I
know
that
was
to
try
and
cover
some
existing
buildings
that
are
not
spanish
colonial
revival.
G
No,
we
don't
have
monterey
or
mediterranean
or
traditional
mission
on
el
camino,
real.
We
do
have
subdivisions
in
tolega
where
the
specific
plan
there
accommodated
different
types
of
spanish
and
there's
some
homes
that
have
variations
of
these
traditional
forms
and
the
guidelines
were
well
written
enough
that
I
thought
they.
They
benefited
this.
This
document.
G
G
Okay,
got
it
yeah
that
is
not
modified.
I
didn't
there's
no
amendments
proposed
for
that.
A
E
Yeah,
so
on
g61,
there's
some
important
stuff
here
at
the
top
sidewalk
width
and
design
kali
los
molinas
is
the
main
collector
street
through
the
los
molinas
industrial
area.
That's
an
important
thing.
In
fact,
the
general
plan
thought
it
was
so
important.
If
you
I
don't
bring
that
page,
I
didn't
bring
it,
but
in
the
general
plan
it
calls
khalid
los
molinas
a
living
street.
E
E
E
If
there's
more
room
and
the
develo
and
the
property
owner
wants
to
put
landscaping
there,
that's
great,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
be
mandating
more.
In
fact,
if
you
look
at
those
pictures
that
gary
put
up
on
his
powerpoint
there's,
barely
four
or
five
feet
period,
there's
not
eight
feet.
There's
like
four
feet
most
times,
so
I
think
that
area
is
very
hard
pressed.
E
E
The
intent
of
this
is
a
pedestrian
linkage
of
this
for
all
the
employees
to
walk
around
at
lunchtime
and
now
that
we
have
a
lot
more
visitor
oriented
businesses,
it's
the
same
thing
and
you
do
notice
people
hitting
their
car
door
on
the
trees.
You
do
notice
people
parking
weird,
so
they
don't
have
to
step
in
the
mud,
because
there's
that
immediate
landscape
there,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
That's
where
this
lives.
I
think
this
is
important.
E
The
other
part
is
the
shade
trees.
I
I'm
not
a
I'm,
not
a
landscaped
architect,
so
I
googled
what
a
western
rosebud
tree
is
that
tree
is
a
mess.
It
might
be
beautiful,
it's
pretty,
but
it
drops.
It
drops
little
petals
all
over
the
place,
even
in
the
google
search.
It
shows
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
on
the
ground
and
the
magnolia
again
it's
in
that
little
gem
magnolia.
Those
are
beautiful
trees,
but
again,
maybe
against
the
building.
E
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
mindful
that
we
need
low
maintenance
and
if
you
look
at
los
molinas
in
general,
it's
not
necessarily
the
best
maintained.
You
know
part
of
town
and
if
you
ask
some
of
the
business
owners
they're
like
oh,
isn't
the
city
going
to
come
and
clean
this
up.
I
didn't
know
I
had
to
do
that.
E
E
E
But
you
know
when
I
attended
the
los
molinas
community
meetings,
I
suggested
to
them
that
they
take
a
look
at
their
area
and
try-
and
you
know,
come
together
as
a
team
and
say
what
they
want
to
clean
up
and
ask
the
city
what
they're
going
to
do
and
work
together
to
kind
of
address
that.
But
it
is
an
issue.
E
So
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we
pull
that
stuff
off
of
the
curb
and
push
it
back.
A
A
The
western
red
red
rosebud,
sorry,
that's
a
name,
and
that
is
a
california
native
tree.
They
grow
really
well
they're,
not
as
bad
as
a
tipiana
or
jacaranda
for
a
lot
of
others.
But
if
you
do
a
deciduous
tree,
it's
gonna
drop.
A
G
Yeah,
so,
regarding
the
species
of
trees,
we
worked
with
our
contract
landscape,
architects,
pat
murphy,
and
associates
on
the
purebull
civic
plan
and
came
up
with
a
quite
a
list,
a
tree
packet
to
consider
when
we
updated
that
plan-
and
we
revisited
that
for
this
document
there
was
support
by
the
businesses
to
be
primarily
california
native.
That's
in
fact
one
of
the
general
plan
policies
to
be
native
or
where
we
could
and
there's
a
lot
of
considerations
for
picking
street
trees
like
the
right-of-way
maintenance.
G
B
E
B
E
E
B
B
Be
a
minimum
for
street
trees,
so
my
question
is:
are
you
in
favor
of
that
eight
foot?
Total?
No,
you
you
don't!
You
only
want
to
see
the
three
and
a
half
foot
strip
in
the
public
right
away.
The
eight
feet
tall,
yeah.
B
B
Second,
there's
a
follow-on
issue,
so
it
sounds
like
you're
against.
I
just
want
to
clarify
and
make
sure
of
in
addition
to
that.
What's
in
the
public
right-of-way
now
asking
if
someone
redevelops
to
have
four
and
a
half
feet
additional
on
private
property
for
landscaping,
so
that
we
can
ask
them
to
put
street
trees
along
there
and
they'll
have
adequate
space
for
the
street
trees.
So
am
I
correct
in
hearing
that
you're
against
any
landscaping
requirement
on
private
property?
Is
that
what
you're
saying.
B
E
C
A
E
E
E
To
say
you
need
to
cough
up
four
more,
that's
what
I'm
saying
I
think
is
it
excessive,
especially
when
they
can
do
landscaping
on
their
building
or
do
a
planter
box,
because
it's
an
industrial
area,
we
don't
need
it
to
be
del.
Mar
that
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at.
G
So
I
just
want
to
make
a
point
of
emphasis
that
there
is
a
lot
of
discussion
with
los
molinos
businesses
about
this
and
to
address
it.
There's
on
page
g62,
admit,
there's
text
in
here
to
make
it
clear
that,
when
you're
in
the
conditions
that
commissioner
cosgrove
describes
that
exists,
where
there's
no
space
for
landscaping.
F
G
Don't
have
to
put
landscaping
in
if
you
can't,
if
you
can't
make
it
work,
you
can't
make
it
work,
so
we
built
in
provisions
for
vertical
landscaping
so
that
you
can
soften
it.
Where
you
can,
if
you're
just
doing
a
minor
project
like
las
molina's
brewery
would
fit
into
that
they
weren't
moving
the
building.
They
weren't
doing
an
entire
new
site
plan.
They
had
to
make
it
work
with
what
they
had.
G
That
would
not
have
to
have
any
street
trees.
They
would
not
have
to
do
any
required.
It's
just
what
you
can
do
and
the
review
authority.
When
you
go
to
design
review
subcommittee
and
the
planning
commission,
or
whatever
whatever
body,
depending
on
the
type
of
project,
they
would
consider
that
that's
part
of
the
process.
G
What
so
that's
kind
of
like
a
separate
thing?
What
you
see
out
there
is
different
than
what
the
street
trees
are
about.
That's
if
you're
redeveloping
the
property
you're
moving
the
buildings,
there's
it
it's
atypical
in
the
city
to
not
require
any
landscaping
on
private
property
and
even
in
the
downtown.
G
I
I
process
a
project
that
hopefully
gets
permitted
soon.
Those
where
it's
a
40-foot
wide
lot
and
they
had
to
have
a
10-foot
landscape
planter
between
the
street
and
the
parking
lot
and
area,
is
very
tight
for
parking.
So
what
the?
What
gary
was
talking
about,
in
particular
as
ideally,
they
would
like
to
reduce
landscaping.
G
Yeah
we,
we
purposely
did
not
make
it
if
it's
a
design
guideline
currently,
but
the
way
we
have
it
worded
is
to
match
the
zoning
code.
So
well,
if
you,
if
there's
desire
to
make
it
eight
feet,
we
would
to
make
it
clear
that
the
specific
plan
has
a
different
role
than
the
zoning
code.
So
that's
how
specific
plans
work.
If
it's
in
this
civic
plan
it
overrules
the
zoning
code,
we
would
need
to
tweak
a
couple
things
in
addition
to
what
we
have
given
you,
and
I
can
walk
you
through
that.
A
A
B
I
would
for
one
I
would
be
supportive
of
shrinking
that
for
as
written
from
ten
feet
to
eight
feet.
Okay,
I
don't
know
how
anyone
else
feels
about
that,
but
I'm
supportive
of
that,
but
particularly
as
long
as
there's
flexibility
with
on
the
city's
part
on
a
case-by-case
basis
to
say:
okay
well
in
this
case
vertical
landscaping's,
okay
or
whatever,
because
there's
a
there's
a
whole
host
of
individual
cases
and
specifically.
A
E
B
Okay,
I
would
propose
we
take
a
seven
minute
break.
Is
that
good
for
people
you
guys
want
to
keep
playing
through.
F
E
This
is
where
at
design
review,
I
sat
in
the
back
and
we
just
discussed
about
some
of
the
building
design,
architecture
and
design
standards
and
there's
some
photos
in
here
that
christopher
pulled
together,
and
I
think
this
is
what's
really
cool
about
what
we're
doing
here.
This
part
chapter,
three,
the
industrial
look,
the
urban
look
all
the
textures
with
the
using
the
metal
or
other
finishes.
E
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
that
that's
part
of
what
the
new
these
new
design
guidelines
would
would
be-
and
I
think
they're
great-
and
I
think
it
sets
this
district
apart,
and
we
should
just
be
aware
that
I
think
we're
doing
something
unique
and
good
to
make
this
district
vibrant
and
have
an
its
own
identity.
That,
I
think,
is
really
positive.
F
F
It
talks
about
the
walls.
Now
I
want
to
kind
of
look
at
these
the
center
folds.
I
guess
you
could
say
at
the
same
time
we're
kind
of
reading
this
where
it
says
avoid
bright
colors
in
highly
reflective
wall
surfaces.
F
Well,
I
think
it's
like
a
metallic,
it's
whatever
that
is,
but
it
ain't
it.
What
it
is
not
is
drabish
right.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
it
says
warmer
tones
yeah,
it's
not
warmer
tones
g77,
it's
not
warmer
tones.
That's
not
warm
tone!
That's
a
popping
cone.
B
Yeah,
I
kind
of
had
a
little
issue
with
the
colors
also
yeah.
I
think
kind
of
you
know
if
we're
looking.
If
we're
thinking
eclectic,
you
know
at
a
minimum
like
it
says,
avoid
bright
colors.
B
I
don't,
I
don't
think
we
need
that
at
a
minimum.
I
think
we
could
say
that
there's
okay
for
use
as
an
accent
color
because
yeah,
if
it's
eclectic-
and
you
look
at
these
photos-
which
I
think
are
fantastic-
and
I
think
that
commissioner
camp
supplied
a
number
of
them,
but
you
know
there's,
there's
murals
and
paintings
and
designs
and
things
and
they're
all
not.
You
know
warmer
tones.
I
mean
there's
definitely
pop
here,
so
I
don't
want
to
go
crazy
on
the
bright
colors.
But
I
don't.
A
Way
to
do
this
typical
design
guidelines,
extremely
bright
colors
are
discouraged
not
out
ruled
out
yeah,
but
they're
discouraged.
F
C
So
sharon
mccann
please.
If
we
could.
I
think
it
would
be
a
benefit
for
chris
to
explain
the
the
review
process
for
a
let's
just
say,
a
building
to
change
its
paint
color
only
and
and
and
that
will,
I
think,
inform
how
these
design
guidelines
actually
become
implemented.
Okay
and
what
the
discretionary
requirements
are.
G
Yeah,
so
when
a
business
proposed
to
do
a
color
change,
then
they
would
need
to
do
a
staff
waiver.
So
that's
a
staff
approval
to
review
it
and
then
in
the
process
doing
that
we
would
look
at
what
is
the
intended
vision
for
the
area.
So
we
would
look
at
this
to
get
a
sense
of
are
the
colors
anywhere
close
to
what's
intended
down
there
right.
G
So,
if
like,
for
example,
if
it
says
don't
do
green
right
and
they
want
to
do
green
lime,
green
well,
city
shouldn't
approve
that
right,
so
that
this
text
is
helpful
to
staff
in
those
instances.
You
know,
I
think
you
know.
My
suggestion
is,
if
anything,
that
the
key
text
in
here
is
highly
reflective
wall
surfaces,
because
there's
emphasis
in
the
vision
statement
for
an
induct
of
a
larger
category
of
industrial
architecture
which
includes
corrugated
metal.
C
C
If
they
do
not
comply
or
it's
not
clear
whether
they
comply,
then
the
staff
waivers
which
are
approved
by
the
city
planner,
cannot
will
not
be
approved.
That
doesn't
mean
that
they
cannot
have
a
bright
lime
green
building
in,
in
the
case
of
the
co
of
the
text
in
front
of
you,
it
means
that
they
would
have
to
go
through
a
discretionary
process
for
that
which
would
include,
depending
on
the
the
scale
of
change,
but
in
the
context
of
paint.
C
Color
change
would
be
a
a
minor
architectural
permit
or
minor
cultural
heritage
permit,
which
would
be
at
the
zoning
administrator
level,
but
would
include
design
review
by
the
designer
view
subcommittee.
So
it's
not
so
the
words
like
encourage,
discourage
avoid
those
those
are
they're,
not
they're,
not
definitive,
that
it's
impossible
to
have
them.
It
just
means
that
if
they,
if,
if
the,
if
the
request
doesn't
avoid
those
types
of
things,
then
it
can't
be
approved
at
a
staff,
waiver
or
staff
level,
it
means
it
would
go
into
a
design.
F
C
Say
no
reflective,
colors,
that's
that's
a
relatively
easy
one,
because
reflectivity
is
something
we
can
measure
but
bright
colors
that
that
is.
That
is
something
we're
looking
at.
These
pictures
staff
would
identify
some
of
these,
these
colors
as
bright,
but
there's
a
level
of
discretion
that
we
want
to
avoid
having
staff
make,
and
that
is
what
is
a
bright
color,
because
a
bright
color
to
some
people
would
be
a
fluorescent.
Color
right
to
other
people
would
be
any
any
shade
of
yellow.
B
Right,
my
preference
would
pertinent
personal
right.
You
know
the
bright
colors
I
look.
I
don't
want
the
lime
green
building
down
there
any
more
than
anyone
else
does
okay,
but
I
think
lime
green
could
be
a
fine
accent
on
some
of
these.
B
So
I
mean
maybe
say
you
know
unless
as
accents,
I
agree
completely
with
the
highly
reflective
materials
by
the
way,
because
there's
glare
and
and
all
that
stuff,
so
I
agree
100
on
that.
I
just
think
that
there's
we
don't
have
to
say
completely
disc
or
discouraged,
but
something
about
accents.
Okay,
that'd
be
my
preference,
but
I'm
one
vote
out
of
seven.
So
I.
F
B
F
A
B
A
A
So
I
think
it's
going
to
be
solved
if
it
isn't
and
if
staff,
if
or
if
I
hear
a
complaint
or
city
council,
here's
a
complaint
and
they're
going
to
come
after
staff
and
we'll
change
it.
But
I
think
this
is
a
good
start
that
it
gives
them
some
teeth
to
say
you
know:
do
you
have
any
other
ideas
that
this
person
really
wants
it
and
it's
so
bad
to
bring
it
to
design
review
or
bring.
F
A
At
some
point
I
mean
we
don't
want
a
a
mirrored
storefront
window
8
by
10,
that's
going
to
blind
the
drivers
or
whatever,
and
we
can't
build
those
in
and
identify
every
conceivable
option
or
color,
otherwise,
you're
going
to
need
something.
The
best
way
is
to
leave
the
flexibility
and
the
staff
can't
come
to
a
position
on
a
colorism.
A
F
So
I
I
got
a
comment
I
I
mean.
I
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
encourage
the
earth
tones,
you
really
want
to
encourage
earth
tones
or
do
you
want
to
scourge
earth
tones?
I
think
you
just
let
them
kind
of
do
their
thing
to
some
degree.
But
when
I
read
the
word
avoid
like
I'm
reading
a
can
of
something
aerosol
avoid
spraying
in
your
eyes,
I'm
just
not
going
to
do
it
so
we're
not
right,
but
when,
when
a
guy
joe
schmo
is
filing
his
permit,
like.
F
I
have
no
idea
any
of
this
stuff
a
year
or
two
ago
at
all,
so
he's
going
to
follow
what
this
says
just
because
he
follows
rules
to
some
degree
he's
not
going
to
push
the
envelope.
That's
going
to
disrupt
that
creativity,
that's
over
there
so
and
maybe,
instead
of
avoid,
can
the
word
discourage
be
better
and
and
then
you
guys
could
enforce
discourage,
because
if
you
say
discouraged,
I'm
like
okay
there's
an
option
here,
if
you
say
avoid
it's
a
hard
line
to
me.
B
My
one
follow-on
to
that-
and
I
don't
want
to
make
this
all
about
color
and
I
don't
want
to
die
on
this
hill
either
of
color,
but
in
the
future
staff
is
going
to
be
reading
this
and
future
planning
commissions
and
designer
subcommittee
members
are
going
to
be
reading
it
and
it
says,
avoid
or
discourage
or
whatever
and
and
they'll
say,
okay.
Well,
the
authors
thought
we
should
avoid
these
colors,
but
even
though
it
might
look
good,
I
mean
the
the
pictures
which
I
think
look
great
definitely
have
accents
at
a
minimum
in
different
colors.
B
C
So
staff
is
is
open
to
any
suggestions
that
the
commission
might
have
to
clarify
this
language.
That's
that's
what
we're
here
for,
but
what
I
would
just
recommend
is
that,
whatever
language,
the
commission
would
like
to
land
on
that
it'd
be
relatively
straightforward
and
not
leave
too
much
discretion
too
much
open,
because
if,
if
the
language
says
something
to
the
effect
of
you
know
avoid
highly
reflective
walls
of
surfaces,
all
colors
are
okay.
C
B
B
G
Yeah,
so
this
is
the
errata
I'm
showing
on
the
screen
and
you
could
see
there's
already,
edit
staff
was
proposing
to
this.
So
first
edit
we
were
already.
The
blue
is
new.
So
what
I'm
hearing
is
strike
bright,
colors
and,
and
I
mean
a
highly
reflective
wall
services-
I
I
staff
would
suggest
keeping
it
as
a
void
earth
tones
her
tones
are
pretty,
I
think,
understandable,
like
you,
don't
see,
fluorescent
green
in
nature,
so
we
kept,
you
know,
suggest
keeping
our
tones,
which
is
consistent
with
those
pictures.
G
There's
dark
rays,
there's
beiges,
there's
blues,
there's
a
variety
of
things
and
and
if
we
want
to
even
clarify
further
you
could
say
primary,
you
know
as
primary
colors,
you
know
versus
accent,
colors
like
that
could
be
done
and
then
the
last
thing
is
strike
and
warm
like
colors.
B
A
No,
it
just
says
they
should
harmonize,
so
they
have
the
ability
to
say,
hey,
look
it
that
color.
Doesn't
this
isn't
really
a
harm,
a
harmonious
palette?
You
know
we
don't
care
for
it.
I
think
maybe,
instead
of
a
void,
it
should
be
discourage
bright,
colors
and
avoid
highly
relaxed.
You
know
reflective
wall
surfaces
and
then
just
let
it
go
because
they
have
to
make
a
judgment.
Does
it
harmonize
and
does
it
provide
the
contrast
you
know
and
if
the
applicant
doesn't
like
it,
because
the
void
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
do
it.
A
F
A
F
C
C
Spanish
colonial
revival,
white
stucco
walls
and
a
like
a
robin's
egg
blue
window
trim
those
that
blue
and
the
white
contrast,
but
that
they
are
that
the
color
palette
also
harmonizes
as
a
whole.
A
A
A
C
So
we're.
C
A
A
A
G
So
the
idea
behind
the
errata
is
that,
if
these
changes
that
are
before
you,
you
know
in
your
motion,
you
could
just
ex
adopt
the
errata
with
the
resolution.
So
as
we
if
changes
are
made
to
their
rata
staff,
would
suggest
just
marking
them
on
your
page.
G
C
If,
if
you're
modifying
the
version
of
the
errata
that
you
went
through
line
by
line,
yes
with
for
the
public's
benefit
earlier,
are
you
modifying
that
document?
Now?
Yes,
okay,
so
let's
keep
doing
that.
C
B
F
F
G
G
Yeah,
it's
it's
purposely
a
design
guideline
versus
a
requirement,
so
you
have
that
flexibility.
F
C
C
C
Yes,
and,
and
so
the
goal
over
time
is
to
make
properties
or
public
right-of-way
in
front
of
properties
conforming
to
the
current
standards,
as
things
develop
over
time
it
would,
it
would
be
changed
too.
That's.
F
B
This,
I
guess
I
have
a
question
that
this,
like
the
mixture
standards,
is
that
where
the
revisions
were
in
the
errata
relative
to
the
parcels
that
mr
mcguire
was
talking
about,.
G
A
Okay,
one
thing
I
want
to
point
out
please
for
the
publishers.
There
was
a
section
in
here
christopher
about
the
area
id
for
new
for
new
developments,
which
I
think
is
a
great
idea,
and
can
you
point
out
where
that
is,
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
noticed
that.
A
You
know
to
identify
the
fact
that
it's
in
this
does
that
serve
yeah.
Oh.
G
So
this
is
this:
this
edition
was
informed
by
talking
to
the
businesses.
A
F
F
Almost
like
oh
gee,
surfer
dude,
you
know
I
mean
like
brawn
statues.
A
Well,
I
was
also
thinking
that
it's
getting
late,
wasn't
there
specific
section
here
to
talk
about
somehow
having
a
property
identified
with
this.
Just
didn't.
We
look
at
that
the
other
day
when
we
were
going
through
this-
or
maybe
I
was
mistaken,.
G
B
B
F
E
I
just
had
one
question
on
jay:
the
zoning
districts.
B
A
C
C
B
C
Yes,
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
we
went
through
the
specific
planned
document
noted
a
couple:
a
change
yeah,
some
discussion.
There
were
a
number
of
changes
that
staff
went
over
in
the
errata.
To
begin
with,
there
was
a
change
that
was
discussed
by
the
planning
commission.
We
will
get
back
to
the
four
properties
in
in
just
a
minute.
C
C
B
G
Should
I
just
summarize
what
this
is
all
about?
Please,
okay,
so
this
similar
to
the
general
plan
amendment
this
updates
maps,
so
this
updates
the
lane
use
map
and
the
overlays
map
to
reflect
the
architectural
relay
expansion,
the
expansion
of
the
civic
plan
area
and
then
the
the
change
of
the
lane
used
to
those
two
parcels.
That's
the
extent
of
this
landings
plan
a
moment.
G
G
G
G
A
A
G
G
A
A
G
F
A
G
A
F
A
G
A
G
Right
exactly
okay,
what
what
I'm
trying
to
do
here
so
to
clarify
this
map
on
the
screen.
G
C
C
A
A
A
E
C
G
Okay,
so
I'm
just
gonna
to
wrap
this
up,
so
staff
request,
support
for
page
h8,
the
map
on
map
h8
on
page
h8,
the
map,
age,
h16
and
then
map
h17.
G
G
Any
questions
comments,
or
should
I
go
to
the
next
thing:
okay,
section
I
or
no?
No,
no.
What
was
g
yeah
j
first?
Oh
so
I
I
want
to
go
to.
G
Page
i6:
this
is
the
city
council
draft
ordinance.
These
are
the
changes
to
the
section
of
the
zoning
hornets
for
the
architectural
overlay
district.
G
If
you
go
to
page
i6,
it
shows
this
what
the
clean
version
of
that
is,
if
you
want
to
you,
want
me
to
show
you
what
the
red
line
changes
are
that's
on
page
k1,
but
that's
the
first
part
of
the
ordinance
or
the
changes
to
the
code
and
that's
any
questions
before
we
go
to
the
next
part.
C
Yeah,
so,
for
clarity's
sake,
the
proposed
changes
are
entirely
contained
within
this
binder
and
the
errata
sheet
that
that
chris
has
started
us
off
with
but
has
made
additions
too.
So
we've
got
a
few
things
to
that.
We
would
like
emotion
on
or
any
additional
comments,
questions
concerns
from
the
commission.
C
If
you
would
like
I'll
press
go
through
each
of
the
you
know
the
the
things
that
need
to
be
passed
and
there's
one
addition
to
that
which
has
not
been
incorporated
into
any
of
the
documents
that
chris
will
lead
us
through,
and
that
is
those
four
lots
that
were
brought
up.
There
was
some
interest
from
the
commission
to
look
into
that,
and
so
we
welcome
any
discussion
or
questions
of
staff
for
clarification.
E
B
C
You
know
here's
what
here's,
what
I'll
say,
there's
some
history
on
a
lot
of
these
neighboring
properties
at
this
point
in
time,
if
the
planning
commission
would
like
to
make
a
recommendation,
then
we
will
take
that
recommendation
forward.
It's
it's.
I
don't
want
to
say
that
staff
will
or
will
not
support
anything
at
this
time.
C
This
is
this
is
not
something
that
came
up.
It
was
not
part
of
council's
direction.
Staff
has
not
spent
much
time.
Looking
at
these
four
lots
and
wondering
what
you
know,
how
well
would
this
this
fit
in,
so
I
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
say
we
won't
support
anything
or
we're
again
against
something.
We
were
just
following
council
direction.
Okay,.
G
A
B
G
So,
just
to
just
to
make
a
note
here
that.
G
So
I
have
a
map
that
I
created
here,
because
we,
you
know,
staff
had
some
anticipation
that
this
topic
had
come
up
and
we
actually
did
look
at
these
properties
some
to
be
prepared
this
evening-
and
I
created
this
map
to
in
the
event
that
it
came
up
to
just
explain.
Like
adam
had
noted,
this
is
pretty
early
first
staff
and
we
haven't
had
a
lot
of
time
on
this.
It's
more
of
just
staff's
preliminary
assessment
of
the
properties
and
this
district
boundary
just
excludes
the
hotel.
E
B
E
We
just
would
recommend
that
they
expand
the
boundaries
to
include
those
three
parcels
to
the
south
as
being
lost
molina's
in
the
back
that
they
should
be
in
the
district.
A
C
So
for
the
for
the
ease
of
of
doing
this
there,
the
request
was
to
include
additional
properties
or
the
recommendation
that
I'm
getting
from
the
planning
commission
is
to
include
additional
properties
to
be
consistent
with
the
land
use
and
zoning
designation
of
the
neighboring
properties.
Is
that
correct
that
there's
a
number
of
changes
that
need
to
occur
to
both
maps,
specific
plan.
G
C
So
we
just
want
to
make
it
clear:
the
the
desire
is
to
change
the
change,
the
zoning
and
because
we're
talking
about
including
them
in
a
specific
plan.
Now.
G
C
A
C
A
I'm
not
really
making
the
decision
until
they
do
so,
I'm
for
saying
it
passes
until
the
next
amendment
and
we
don't
address
changing
those
now,
because
I
think
chris
is
working
on
a
short
time
frame
as
designated
by
the
city
council.
I
see
that
this
would
slow
it
down.
You
have
to
have
another
meeting
that
these
guys
noticed
and
into
a
public
hearing,
so
we
can
hear
their
opinion
on
whether
they
want
to
be
in
here
so.
B
C
Okay,
so
the
options-
let's
say:
let's
say
that
all
three
property
owners
actually
want
to
do
this.
The
cleanest
option,
especially
for
the
property
owners,
would
be
to
have
a
recommendation
from
the
planning
commission
that
council
takes
this
on.
In
the
meantime,
staff
can
contact
the
third
property
owner
say
this
is
what
the
planning
commission
has
recommended.
C
Give
them
notice.
You
know
of
the
of
the
proposed
change,
and
if
they
don't
like
it,
then
staff
would
tell
the
council
that-
and
I
you
know,
I
would
have
to
think
that
the
council
would
respect
the
property
owner's
desire
to
not
rezone
their
particular
property
if
the
desire,
if
they,
if
they,
if
all
three
did
want
to
do
this,
the
planning
commission
is
not
comfortable
making
that
recommendation
and
nothing
gets
done.
C
Then
the
three
property
owners
could
initiate
their
own
amendment
in
the
future
and
that
would
be
quite
costly
to
them.
Yeah.
That
would
require
quite
a
bit
of
time
and
money
to
do
that.
If
the
and
then
the
the
last
option
is
it
turns
out,
none
of
them
actually
want
to
do
it,
even
though
we
know
that
some
of
them
do
the
planning
commission
can,
then
you
know,
move
a
recommendation
forward
and
and
staff
would
well.
It's
staff
has
been
meeting
with.
G
G
F
E
F
F
A
B
Well,
okay,
you
couldn't
get,
can
you?
Could
you
because
there's
a
it
seems
to
me:
there's
a
difference
between
you
know
recommending
the
council
hey,
we
support
adding
these
three
versus.
B
We
support
you
consider
adding
these
three
subject
to
staff
outreach
specifically
to
those
three
property
owners
prior
to
this
council
meeting.
There's
a
specific
invitation,
hey!
You
know,
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
talking
about
your
project,
your
property
on
such
and
such
a
date,
and
then
they
can
come
and
object
to
write
a
letter
or
whatever,
but
those
two
guys
will
probably
be
happy.
B
C
C
C
You
know
these
documents,
as
proposed
and
planning
commission
is
not
opposed
to
including
these
these
these
properties.
If
that's
the
case,
though
it's
doesn't,
it
doesn't
really
come
off
as
being
all
that.
Well
vetted.
B
I
don't
know,
but
we
just
can't
give
a
sounds
like
a
full-throated
recommendation
to
them
on
that
issue.
This,
commissioner
crandall
can't
given
that
it
wasn't
prepped
for
it,
but
that
could
be
explained
to
council.
I
would
think,
is
it
possible
to.
F
Bring
that
up,
I
mean
for
orientation
across
the
street
from
these
guys
is
that
park
in
the
boys
and
girls
club
field,
so
it's
kind
of
on
the
just
the
uprise
kind
of
where
you're
going
up
that
hill
a
little
bit.
So
I
know
what
you're
saying
topography
wise.
Is
there
a
way
to
bring
it
up
on
the
screen
then,
and
we
can
orientate
a
little
bit.
C
We
we
can,
we
can
bring,
we
can
bring
it
up.
I
will
say
this:
it's
staff
would
prefer
a
recommendation
by
the
planning
commission
if,
if
it's
just
a
if
it's,
if
it's
just
something,
that's
not
offensive
to
the
planning
commission,
I'm
not
really,
I'm
not
convinced
how
much
direction
we
really
have
to
take
up
these
types
of
issues
on
the
spot.
C
You
know
we're
working
under
council
direction
here
and
so,
unless
it's
a
recommendation
that
necessitates
staff
time,
you
know
this
is
this
is
really
I
want
to
be
cognizant
of
staff's
time
and
if,
if
the
planning
commission
isn't
even
that
behind
the
record,
the
request,
then
you
know
I
I
just
I
wouldn't
want
to
waste.
You
know,
city
resources
on
sure.
G
There's
I
mean:
there's
have
a
recommendation,
there's
kind
of
like
two
ways
that
I
see
to
present
this
there's
one
where
it's
a
recommendation
in
which
staff
would
make
the
changes
to
the
documents
and
get
given
to
the
council
and
say
that
this
was
staff.
The
planning
commission's
recommendation
right
and
there
was
public
comment
we
reached
out
to
the
property
owners,
assuming
that
they
all
are
on
board
so
on.
G
If
second
to
that
would
be,
there's
plenty
commission
comments
about
this.
There.
There
wasn't
a
recommendation,
but
there
was
some
support.
There
was
support
by
the
property
owners.
F
Well,
I
I
mean
we're
all
one
vote
right:
I've
been
there.
I
looked
at
it
I
put
in
the
time
I
went
and
looked
at
this
knowing
that,
because
during
our
meeting
I
brought
these
three
or
four
blocks
up.
You
know
as
part
of
that
meeting,
and
you
know
that's
my
thought
we
could
bring
it
up
here
to
make
anybody
else
feel
comfortable
or
not,
but
I
don't
want
to
put
these
guys
through
a
financial
ringer.
G
A
A
Be
used
as
an
argument
that
we
should
do
something
tonight,
because
we've
been
working
on
the
I.
This
is
the
only
thing
I
have.
We
need
to
be
kind
of
out,
and
the
public
needs
to
have
plenty
of
time
to
look
at
something,
and
now
here
in
the
very
last
two
percent
of
this
whole
process,
we're
throwing
in
a
you
know
a
little
bit.
I
think,
although
it
may
be
all
perfectly
legal
to
the
public,
it
doesn't
seem
quite
because
then
what
prevents
from
somebody
else
would
say
well
throw
me
in
too
well.
F
So
if
you,
if
you
looked
at
it,
I
think
it's
just
a
misstep
somehow,
because
if
you
look
at
all
10
buildings,
if
you
separated
those
two
with
spanish
colonial,
it
would
look
so
out
of
whack.
It
would
look
like
what
the
hell
did.
Somebody
do
in
my
opinion,
but
you
know
I
mean
I'll
defer
to
everybody's
vote
and
everybody
can
kind
of
you
know
vote
their
way,
but
I'm
just.
A
I
want
to
say
we
have
a
city
each
of
these
four
additional
properties
we're
just
sort
of
like
okay.
No,
can
you
tell
me
that
they,
you
know,
match
into
it,
because
this
this
isn't
just
something
that
we've
been
doing
the
last
couple
of
months
and
it's
not
just
the
first
attempt
he
would.
He
was
noticed
because.
B
C
So
this
is
there's
one
of
three
things
that
will
be
presented
to
council.
This
is
planning
commissions.
Part
of
their
recommendation
is
that
these
properties
be
included.
The
planning
commission
recommends
what
staff
has
proposed
right
in
front
of
you
right.
C
Saying
you
should
consider
adding
these
parcels
and,
if
they
want
to,
they
could
initiate
a
separate
and
future
amendment
for
that
for
those
four
parcels
alone
which
or
the
third
one
is,
if
you
would
like,
we
can
just
include
in
our
staff
report
to
the
council.
C
Members
of
the
public
showed
up
to
talk
about
these
four
laws,
and
there
was
interest.
Planning
commission
recommended
that
this
be
that
the
council
be
notified
of
these
comments
specifically
and
there's
no
recommendation.
It's
just
for
the
record.
These
two
of
these
three
property
owners
or
four
property
owners
requested
that
this
change
occur.
G
I
I
just
want
to
I.
I
want
to
make
a
little
note
here
that
this
project,
along
with
other
specific
plans,
are
part
of
the
local
coastal
program
effort
we
have
going
on
and
we're
trying
to
time
everything
together.
So,
if
there's
desire
to
make
these
changes,
it
would
be
a
lot
more
timely
to
do
it
with
this
effort
it.
It
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
require
a
recommendation
from
this
body.
City
council
can
direct
staff
to
make
these
changes.
G
B
That's
one
question
adam
yeah
on
your
second
option,
which
was
you
could
send
it
to
council
and
the
council
could
choose
to
ask
to
do
a
future
amendment
to
add
to
three
council
could
also
not
vote
to
approve
it
and
go
back
to
staff
and
say
hey.
Please
look
at
these
three
and
bring
it
back
to
us
in
two
weeks
or
a
month
right
so
and
included
in
this
version,
rather
than
starting
a
whole
new
version.
Just
for
those
three
parcels.
E
B
E
E
They
are
very
clear
that
they
are
part
of
the
los
molinas
they're
part
of
the
surf
culture.
The
the
testimony
was
in
the
first
building.
That
was
the
first
surf
forming
building
in
san
clemente
this,
and
he
also
said
that
the
building
next
to
him
is
currently
doing
surf
for
me
now
and
that's
it
we're
not
talking
about
four
or
three
just
those
two.
E
I
have
been
down
there
a
number
of
times.
You
guys
know
I've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time
with
the
association,
and
I
happen
to
have
gone
through
this
area
very
well,
there's
no,
there's
no
difference
between
the
parcel
next
to
it,
and
that
and
that
parcel
that
that
gentleman
came
to
talk
to
tonight.
They
look
the
same
so
if
you're,
gonna
and
all
we're
suggesting
is
that
they
came
here.
They're
asking
to
be
included
in
the
district
so
that
they
can
have
the
los
molinas
architecture
guidelines
apply
to
them
in
the
rear.
E
That's
it
the
rear,
and
it
fits
perfectly
it's
an
easy.
It's
an
easy
call
to
make
otherwise
they're
going
to
be
they're
going
to
be
under
the
current,
which
is
spanish,
so
they'll
be
spanish
in
the
rear.
It's
not
going
to
look
close
molina's
and
they're
surf
shops.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense.
A
You're
giving
a
recommendation
to
do
it
to
consider,
and
until
I
know
that
the
public
is
on
board
with
it.
I
think
all
we
can
say
is:
please
consider
it
have.
It
noticed
at
the
city
council
meeting
that
this
is
a
potential
change,
so
the
public
has
to
say
yay
or
nay,
the
landowner
and
surrounding
people,
because
nobody
was
noticed
within
300
feet
of
it.
Well,.
E
A
A
E
A
A
Maybe
you'll
have
two
weeks.
I
don't
know
when
the
next
council
meeting
is
to
talk
to
the
pro
the
two
property
owners
maybe
even
find
out
the
third
one,
but
I
think
we've
been
working
on
this
for
a
while
tell
the
council
fine,
whatever
we
said,
but
by
the
way
brother
public
came
forward
and
they
want
to
be
included.
A
C
Yeah,
so
this
will
not
be
on
the
next
council
meeting.
That's
a
very
quick
turnaround,
but
it
will
be
on
a
near
future
council
meeting
and
I
do
want
to
clarify
one
thing
about
the
record.
This
item
was
properly
publicly
noticed
for
items
that
affect
a
substantial
amount
of
the
city
property
owners.
C
C
A
G
A
B
The
one
the
one
thing
I
would
say,
commissioner,
crandall
to
what
you
said,
is
that
that
all
sounds
great.
The
only
problem
with
that
is
that
adam
said:
hey,
if
you
guys
don't
give
us
a
full-throated
recommendation
to
add
it,
we're
not
going
to
work
on
it
so
they're,
not
so
they're
not
going
to
go.
Take
any
additional
effort
to
council
to
to
tell.
F
C
I
would
say
that
this
is
not
out
of
the
scope
of
typical
work
that
requires
a
planning
commission
recommendation
going
to
council.
There
are
some
changes:
yeah.
C
That
can
be
changing
this
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
chris.
I
this
isn't
a
a
substantial
amount
of
work
to
to
make
this
type
of
change
it.
C
That
means
that
they
most
likely
would
not
add
it
that
night
that
it's
actually
there
it
would
delay
the
entire
project
at
that
point,
or
they
would
say
you
know
in
the
future.
We
would
like
to
do
this,
and
and
based
I
mean
based
on
our
our
resources
and
staff
direction
for
these
types
of
changes,
it
would
probably
take
years
to
get
back
to
this.
B
A
Yeah
every
approach
that's
been
outlined
is
legally
sound
right.
I
understand
the
concern
with
with
recommended
approval,
when
you
haven't
actually
had
a
chance
to
review
the
details
of
it,
but
the
approaches
from
a
recommendation
to
to
approve
everything,
to
recommendation,
to
consider
to
just
noting
the
fact
that
people
came
and
spoke
and
the
councilman
without
what
they
want.
Each
of
those
approaches
is
completely
sound.
A
What
what
we
couldn't
do
tonight
is
make
a
decision
if
we
were
the
the
final
body
on
this
because
it
hadn't
it
hadn't
been
noticed
as
part
of
the
agenda
item,
because
you're
recommending
and
they've
come
and
made
a
comment
you
can
forward
that
on
to
the
council.
So
it's
really
planning
commission's
prerogative
how
you
want
to
proceed,
but
legally,
every
approach
works,
but.
A
B
C
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there
there's
clarification
here
if,
if
this
is
not
part
of
the
planning
commission's
recommendation,
but
it's
an
all
you
know
maybe
also
consider
and
the
could
the
council
make
those
changes
at
the
time
of
their
public
hearing
on
this
item,
or
would
they
need
to
initiate
additional
changes
or
request
that
the
item
be
continued
to
another
meeting
so
at
all,.
C
G
Well,
it
also
depends
on
how
you
present
it.
So
if,
for
example,
we
presented
this,
what
you
have
before
you
right
and
then
there
is
an
exhibit
almost
like
an
errata.
It
says
if
you
support
this
change
for
adding
the
boundary
here
are
20
pages,
that
you
would
be
adopting
like
an
errata
and
we
approve
it.
They
can
just
approve
it.
You
don't
have
to
have
another
meeting.
G
G
So
if
we
were
to
take
the
planning
commission's
recommendation,
you
could
you
could
direct
us
to
do
what
I
just
said:
make
it
a
separate
like
a
decision
package
almost
right,
they
like
to
do
it,
they
can
adopt
it
and
then
it
could
be
one
meeting
and
maybe
it
delays
it
two
weeks
versus
a
month
and
a
half
and
having
a
second
city
council
meeting
so
that
that's
my
two
cents.
I.
B
A
F
F
But
the
the
whole
thing,
and
but
they
finally
got
to
in
21.
yes,
so
started
2014
as
far
as
I
know,
and
we're
finally
here
or
to
wait
a
month
or
two
to
get
it
right
and
get
that
final
little
nugget.
I
don't.
I
I
think
we
missed
the
vote
if
we
rely
on
the
city
council
to
initiate
those
guys
and
not
only
that
is
the
historical
value
in
those
buildings
specifically
and
they're,
already
shaped
and
literally
shaping
and
fixing
surfboards
out
in
the
front
of
their
building.
Now
that
would
be
really
weird
spanish.
F
A
B
C
B
So
much
my
thoughts
are
we're
doing
a
big
disservice
to
those
property
owners
to
not
include
them
or
give
them
the
recommendation
with
a
specific
charge
to
make
sure
you
please
notify
them,
and
so
they
can
go
and
oppose
it
to
council
if
we
want,
but
we
sure
know
that
two
of
the
three
want
it
so
and
and
doing
it
as
a
separate
effort
is
cost
inefficient,
now's
the
time
so
I'm
on.
B
If
I,
if
there
was
a
train,
I'd,
be
on
davis's
train,
which
is
recommended,
the
council
recommend
that
they
add
it
and
do
it
now.
I
understand
the
discomfort
for
certain
reasons,
but
I
could
go
forward
with
you
know
have
a
recommended
errata.
B
E
Yeah,
I
agree,
and
I
would
just
add,
because
we're
trying
to
wrap
this
up
with
the
whole
coastal
commission
package.
We
got
to
just
do
it
as
a
package,
let's
just
we're
here
now
the
patient's
open,
let's
just
finish
it.
The
other
thing
is,
you
know
when
I
first
got
into
this
and
I
walked
around
the
community
of
los
molinas.
E
A
Before
the
general
plan
was
even
revised,
so
they've
been
in
a
long
time.
Upgrading
this
thing,
I'm
for
approving
the
resolution
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
with
a
recommendation
to
consider,
but
I'm
not
saying
that
I'm
giving
him
a
recommendation
to
improve.
E
B
F
E
A
Yeah
so
hotel
well,
but
actually
the
thing
is
you
know
I
haven't
been
in
government
on
planning
commissions
before
I
just
am
uncomfortable,
making
a
boundary
change
in
a
specific
plan,
because
that's
usually
big
to
like
residents
so
now
you're
moving
closer
you're
moving.
However
many
feet,
you
are
closer
to
your
original
boundary.
A
C
We
will
notify
the
property
owners
if
this
is
where,
if
this
is
the
planning
commission's
recommendation,
make
them
aware
any
conversations
we
have.
We
would
reiterate
to
the
city
council,
along
with
inviting
them
to
the
meeting.
It
turns
out:
they're,
not
supportive
of
it.
They
will
have
ample
opportunity
to
voice
their
concerns
so
that
that
issue
should
be
addressed.
However,
I
you
know
I
I
do
understand
your
your
concerns
with
that.
B
B
A
A
G
C
So
I
will
have
chris
walk
us
through
each
of
the
I'll
say
each
of
the
documents
or
sections
that
need
emotion
and
an
approval
and
have
him
maybe
it's
best,
especially
for
the
eroticity
I'll.
Have
staff
describe
the
proposed
staff
recommendation
for
for
the
commission's
approval
for
a
recommendation,
and
you
can
just
refer
to
what
he
says
and
without
having
to
repeat
it
in
its
entirety.
B
G
Now
the
eir,
so
what
the
effect
would
be
as
and
we'll
call
it
the
alternative
versus
errata.
So
when
it
goes
to
city
council,
if
if
this
is
the
motion,
the
alternative
would
include
amendments
to
the
addendum,
the
eir
addendum
maps,
so
it
would
include
every
every
single
thing
that
would
need
to
change
to
move
the
boundary
and
it
might
seem
like
a
crazy
amount
of
work,
but
it
might
not
be
just
the
way
that
all
these
maps
are
produced.
It
might
not
be
as
bad
as
it
may
seem.
G
So
I'm
confident,
let's
put
it
this
way,
I'm
confident
it
would
save
at
least
a
month
to
do
it.
That
way,
then,
to
go
to
council
and
then
do
another
council
meeting
and
save
at
least
a
month.
G
Yeah,
so
so
to
so,
as
far
as
what
let
me,
so
this
is
a
thing,
so
the
rata
that
is
prepared
and
given
to
you.
Well,
it
doesn't
show
the
the
red
line
on
the
screen
it
fully.
G
C
C
A
resolution
of
the
planning
commission
of
the
city
of
san
clemente,
california,
recommending
the
city
council
certified
addendum
number
four
to
the
general
planned
environmental
impact
report
approved
general
plan.
Amendment
21-238
specific
plan,
amendment
21-239
selling,
amendment
21-240
and
land
use
plan,
amendment
21-241
to
achieve
consistency
between
the
general
plan,
local
coastal
program
and
west
pico
corridor
specific
plan
and
zoning
regulations
changed
the
land
use
designation
of
two
parcels
at
15,
10
avenue
la
estrella
and
expand
the
architectural
overlay
district.
C
With
the
changes
identified
in
the
errata
sheet
provided
during
the
meeting
with
the
change
to
the
terms
avoid
in
the
design
guidelines
as
outlined
by
staff
and
on
your
screen
right
now.
C
E
It's
actually
three
things
right:
it's
the
resolution
with
the
errata
and
then
to
have
staff
prepare
for
the
wreck
for
the
city
council
meeting
at
us
new
erada
to
include
the
consideration
of
those
additional
three
parcels.
Let's
keep
that
third
separate
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead,
I'll,
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion.
Okay,.
B
G
The
next
one
would
be
whether
for
the
city
council
to
consider
to
florida
recommendation
to
the
city
council
to
consider
including
three
parcels,
as
shown
on
the
powerpoint
slide.
I
I
had
that
one
slide.
If
you
want
me
to
share
it,
I
can't
this
one,
as
shown
on
this
powerpoint
slide
with
materials
presented
for
the
city
council,
to
act
upon
at
the
meeting
if
they
choose
to
approve
the
changes
and
to
direct
staff
to
contact
the
property
owners
and
as
part
of
that
process,
it's
a.
E
C
A
A
B
Okay,
by
the
way,
chris
excellent
work.