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A
Good
evening,
I
call
to
order
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
of
this
evening.
Wednesday
October,
5th,
2022
and
Dr
Gary
mccacken
will
lead
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
Please
join
us.
A
E
A
Thank
you.
Let's
vote
before.
D
Clarification,
if
you
did,
you
watch
the
video
by
any
chance.
If
you
watch
the
video,
you
can
still
vote
on
the
minutes.
D
Vote
past
practice
was
just
to
take
a
take
a
vote.
At
the
same
time,
if
you'd
like
me
to
call
roll.
A
No,
that's
fine!
Thank
you
all
in
favor
of
let's
say
all
in
favor
of
item
a
the
August
31st
minutes,
hi
any
opposed
all
in
favor
of
the
passing
the
approving
the
September
7th
minutes.
I.
F
A
A
If
there's
anybody
and
I'll
read
the
little
blurb,
but
this
is
regarding,
if
there's
anybody
here,
that
wants
to
speak
on
any
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda
now
would
be
the
time
to
do
them.
If
it's
for
an
item
that
is
on
the
agenda,
when
we
call
up
that
item,
then
that
would
be
the
time
to
speak.
A
Members
of
the
audience
May
address
the
commission
on
matters
of
public
interest
which
pertain
to
the
city
and
are
not
otherwise
on
the
agenda.
If
you
wish
to
speak,
please
step
forward
to
the
microphone
and
if
you
desire
state
your
name
and
or
city
of
residence
for
the
record
and
make
your
presentations,
please
limit
your
prep
presentations
to
three
minutes.
We
would
also
say
that
you
would
need
to
fill
out
a
blue
speaker
card.
A
And
is
there
anybody
that
wants
to
speak
on
anything
not
on
the
agenda?
Moving
on
consent
calendar?
We
have
no
consent,
calendar
item,
8A
public
hearings,
654
Camino
de
los
mares
Master
project,
mp22-089
architectural
permit,
ap22-101
conditional
use
permit
cup
22-100
General
plan,
Amendment
GPA
22-097
site
plan.
Permit
spp22-0,
22-103
Senator,
parcel
map,
TPM
22-099
zoning,
Amendment,
ca22-098
senior
housing
medical
office
project.
Do
we
have
a
staff
presentation.
G
G
G
First,
in
regards
to
the
applications
and
findings
before
you
this
evening,
it
includes
several
applications.
There
was
a
question
at
the
study
session
on
August
31st
in
regards
to
why
they
were
ordered
in
the
way
that
they
were
and
the
order
that
was
presented
at
the
study
session
was
alphabetical,
and
so
the
the
order
that
you
have
this
evening
is
more
in
line
with
the
scope
of
the
request
of
new,
less
common
than
say
something
like
an
architectural
permit
in
San
Clemente.
G
Thank
you
I.T,
so
this
was
just
the
general
overview
of
the
staff's
presentation
tonight.
The
applications
on
the
left
is
what
you
have
before
you
on.
The
right
was
the
order
in
the
study
session.
The
existing
site
is
north
of
I-5
and
south
of
El.
Camino
Real
to
the
north
west
is
a
shopping
center
and
to
the
southeast
is
the
San
Clemente
Villas
an
assisted
living
facility?
G
A
larger
overview
of
the
site
shows
where
the
intersection
of
I-5
is
with
Camino
de
las
maras
and
Estrella
further
along
Camino
de
las
Maris.
You
have
the
project
site
and
further
you
have
the
signalized
intersection
with
the
project,
site
and
other
properties
and
then
further
along
de
las
Morris.
You
have
the
entrance
to
seapoint
Estates.
G
G
This
slide
shows
both
residential
buildings.
The
top
one
is
building
one
and
would
be
on
the
right
and
on
you
can
see.
The
Pedestrian
paseos
showed
in
both
of
these,
so
it
gives
you
a
center
of
location
and
then
on.
The
bottom
is
building
two,
and
with
each
of
these,
you
can
see
how
the
applicant
added
some
articulation,
providing
varied
materials
and
patio
pop-outs
include
and
a
variety
of
roof
elevations.
G
At
the
study
session.
There
was
a
question
of
what
the
mechanism
was
for
the
density
bonus,
and
that
is
the
density
bonus
law.
If
you
read
through
the
density
bonus
law,
it's
quite
technical,
but
the
three
bullet
points
that
you
see
here
under
mechanism
are
really
the
key
questions
that
you
want
to
ask.
Does
the
project
qualify
for
a
density
bonus,
keeping
in
mind
that
density
bonus
is
adding
extra
housing
units
and
that
the
applicant
does
not
actually
have
to
take
advantage
or
use
that
opportunity
for
more
housing
units?
G
So
the
density
bonus
request
that
you
is
actually
before
you
tonight
is
shown
in
the
table,
including
a
correction
for
a
typo
that
was
in
the
staff
report.
So
your
concession
that
they're
requesting
the
the
application
before
you
this
evening
is,
does
qualify
for
one
concession.
So
that's
just
one
concession
based
on
the
provision
of
five
percent:
very
low
housing
units.
The
concession
that
they're
requesting
is
in
regards
to
San
Clemente's
development
standard
for
Heights.
Our
standard
includes
height
both
at
the
roof
height,
the
plate
height
and
the
number
of
stories.
G
So
that's
their
concession
they've
also
requested
four
waivers
waivers
for
Elevator
Shaft
height.
The
reason
that's
a
waiver
is
in
our
code,
they're
allotted
six
feet
for
An
Elevator
Shaft
above
the
maximum
height,
but
because
it
would
be
more
than
six
feet.
They're
asking
for
a
waiver
to
be
able
to
construct
the
project.
G
The
floor
area
ratio
they're,
requesting
a
waiver
to
go
beyond
the
base,
zoning
in
the
cc4
zone
and
then
they're
requesting
a
waiver
for
parking,
but
they
are
requesting
a
waiver
for
parking
specifically
for
the
number
of
guest
spaces
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
In
more
detail
in
the
next
slide
and
then
they're
also
requesting
a
waiver
for
open
space,
this
comes
from
our
design
guidelines.
G
So
at
the
study
session
in
regards
to
height
the
question,
there
was
a
question
about
the
average
that
they
should
show
the
grades
and
what
the
high
point
was
on
the
building.
G
And
if
you
have
that
in
front
of
you,
it
also
highlights
where
the
each
roof
element
does
or
doesn't
exceed
the
45-foot
height
limit
in
terms
of
grades
grades
are
shown
relative
to
the
45
height
plane
on
sheet
a
6.1,
and
so
that
shows
where
that
height,
that
45
height
limit
is
and
the
original
grade.
You
could
also
look
at
the
proposed
grading
the
cut
and
fill
on
another
sheet
sheet.
C5.
G
G
The
parking
study
and
supplemental
letter
are
contained
in
attachments,
12
and
15..
The
parking
assumptions
first
start
with
what
the
code
requires
and
for
senior
housing.
The
code
requires
one
covered
space
per
unit,
two
parking
spaces
per
manager's
unit,
in
addition
to
one
guest
base
per
five
units
and
those
are
to
be
provided
on
site
and
then
the
parking
for
the
medical
office
is
one
per
200
square
feet.
G
So
now
I'm
going
to
go
through
the
development
standards
for
senior
housing
and
medical
office,
so
for
senior
housing
I
the
in
terms
of
heights.
They
are
requesting
for
I'm,
sorry
requesting
a
concession,
and
so
that
would
be
consistent
or
could
be
consistent
with
the
density,
bonus
law,
a
lot
coverage
and
lot
size.
They
are
consistent
with
the
requirements
in
code.
G
Setbacks
are
all
consistent
with
the
requirements
in
the
code.
Density
is
also
less
than
the
maximum
identified
in
the
code
for
senior
housing.
The
floor
area
ratio
here
also
corrects
the
typo
in
the
staff
report,
where
the
underlying
Zone
allows
0.5
and
they're
requesting
0.89
and
that
could
be
allowed
by
the
density
bonus
and
then
parking
is
shown
here
more
in
detail
where
they're
providing
to
parking
spaces
for
the
managers
unit.
G
G
Also
before
you
this
evening
is
a
development
agreement.
This
kind
this
is
allowed
through
the
municipal
code,
with
which
references
the
allowance
noted
in
government
code.
There
are
considerations
that
you
need
to
make
in
order
to
make
a
recommendation
on
a
development
agreement.
This
does
require
city
council
approval
and
those
considerations
are
outlined
in
your
staff
report.
G
We
do
want
to
note
that
there
are
public
comments
that
were
not
included
in
your
original
staff
report,
but
were
distributed
this
morning.
Those
were
received
first
in
July
through
September,
and
then
another
packet
September
through
10
a.m.
This
morning,
staff
is
also
aware
that
there
were
about
four
other
comments
that
came
through
email
after
10
a.m.
Those
we
believe
were
either
directed
directly
to
the
planning,
Commissioners
or
cc'd.
G
And
then
before
you
on
this
slide,
I
just
wanted
to
identify
a
couple
of
suggested
modifications,
as
we
move
forward
this
evening
to
take
into
consideration
the
term
development
agreement
was
not
included
in
the
resolution.
So
we
would
want
to
add
that
in
the
resolution,
if
you're
making
a
recommendation
to
city
council
along
with
that,
there
is
a
condition
for
the
expiration
of
applications
and
if
the
development
is
approved
with
the
the
application
we
do
want
to
modify
that
condition
so
that
it's
not
the
typical
three
years.
G
But
more
ties
in
with
the
development
agreement.
Condition.
Let's
see,
condition
for
11
is
in
regards
to
Shared
parking.
It
identifies
that
28
parking
spaces
would
be
for
the
senior
housing
guest
spaces
would
be
shared
on
the
medical
office
and
there
was
a
typo
there.
So
we'll
correct
that,
and
that
is
the
end
of
staff's
presentation
this
evening.
We're
available
for
any
questions.
A
G
A
F
F
G
The
advantage
for
density
bonuses
for
an
applicant
are
enabling
them
to
provide
affordable
housing
where
otherwise,
they
might
not
be
able
to
within
the
development
standards
of
a
municipality
in
terms
of
the
benefits
for
the
city.
That
is,
the
provision
of
affordable
housing,
where
we
might
not
be
able
to
obtain
that
through
a
development
and.
G
But
thank
you
for
that
question
and
I
apologize.
I
didn't
highlight
that
in
the
slide.
That
was
identifying
the
the
mechanisms
that
allow
this
request
and
then
the
considerations
for
you
so
this
evening.
In
order
for
the
commission
to
make
a
decision
on
the
density,
bonus
of
requests
that
they're
they're
making
tonight
and
that's
not
extra
units,
but
it's
for
height
and
those
other
provisions.
G
You
would
consider
those
questions
whether
they
submitted
the
necessary
information
and
then
those
considerations
that
are
identified
in
your
staff
report.
Those
specific
findings
per
government
code
that
you
have
to
make
outside
of
that.
It
would
not
be
appropriate
to
comment
on
so
you
do
have
some
guard
rails.
If
you
will
there's
very
limited
considerations
that
you
can
make
when
you're
considering
the
concession
or
waiver
request
so.
F
F
G
It
would,
and
it
depends
on
how
much
more
affordable
housing
they
provide.
So
at
the
very
low
income
level,
the
minimum
to
qualify
for
a
density
bonus
is
five
percent
and
every
percent
that
you
go
up.
You
could
go
into
qualifying
for
an
additional
concession
that
exact
percent
that
they
would
have
to
hit
to
get
to
a
second
concession.
I
would
have
to
look
up.
F
A
Okay,
let
me
see
if
I
have
some
questions
so,
following
on
to
commissioner
Prescott
loffler's
question.
A
H
Perfectly
clear
because
I
think
the
answers
were
wonderful
and
spot
on,
but
it
does
bear
noting
that
the
density
bonus
law
is
well.
It's
very
technical.
It's
also
fairly
straightforward
in
terms
of
the
burdens
that
it
creates
on
the
applicant
and
on
the
city
and
as
as
has
been
stated
if
the
applicant
provides
adequate
information
which
we
have
in
attachments,
21-24,
the
city's
hands
are
tight.
The
the
language
of
the
government
code
is
a
city
shall
granted
a
bonus
when
requested
and
the
the
court
cases
are
on
point
especially
recent
cases.
H
They
heavily
favor
applicants
because
the
state
is
really
pushing
for
affordable
housing.
It
is
difficult
for
a
city
not
impossible,
certainly
but
difficult
to
make
findings
that
the
information
is
not
adequate.
Those
findings
can
be
made,
but
it
is
difficult
and
the
courts
have
heavily
favored
applicants
in
recent
years,
so
the
information
again
is
in
in
in
these
four
attachments
and
and
unless
we
can
find
that
the
information
is
not
adequate
again.
The
government
code
says
that
we
shall
Grant
the
density
bonus.
It
does
tie
our
hands.
A
Thank
you
and
feel
free
to
weigh
in
and
keep
us
on
track
at
any
time
regarding
the
development
agreement.
A
In
my
experience,
normally
development
agreement,
there's
kind
of
a
quid
pro
quo
that
the
developer
gets
something
which
typically
extended
time
to
develop
their
project,
but
the
city
also
also
frequently
gets
some
added
benefit
for
for
granting
the
development
agreement.
In
this
case,
what
what's
the
benefit
to
the
city?
To
granting
the
development
agreement.
G
I,
it
is
largely
stems
around
the
affordable
housing
component
in
so
much
that
the
applicant
could
have
chosen
to
pay
the
in-lu
fee
for
four
percent:
very
low
income
units
and
instead
of
getting
the
equivalent
fund
and
the
affordable
hot
the
affordable
housing
fund.
We
are
getting
actual
constructed
units.
A
But
wouldn't
we
get
those
anyway
with
the
project
if
it
was
approved,
you
know,
within
the
the
three-year
time
frame
to
to
develop
it.
I
mean
it
seems
like
that
they're
using
that
to
you
know,
because
of
the
affordable
units,
they're
asking
for
the
density
bonus
and
the
reduction,
the
waiver
and
the
concessions,
concession
and
waivers
changes
alternates
to
the
development
standards.
A
So
if
that
project
was
approved,
as
is
it
sounds
like
they
would
have
three
years
as
currently
written
to
to
implement
that
project,
and
yet
we're
entertaining
entering
a
development
agreement
that
would
grant
them
up
to
20
years
to
do
it.
So
is
there
an
added
benefit
beyond
the
affordable
which
we
seemingly
would
get
if
the
project
was
proved
anyway,.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
City
attorney.
A
Does
the
City
attorney
generally
agree
with
the
statement,
the
the
letters
that
our
attachments
21-24
would
you
would
you
say
that
you
generally
agree
with
them
or
do
you
take
issue
with
them.
H
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
take
issue
with
them.
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
a
vote
in
terms
of
whether
the
information
is
adequate
from
a
legal
perspective,
which
is
what
you're
asking
yeah.
A
H
A
perspective
these
these
appear
to
have
the
information
that
would
be
required
for
them
to
Prevail,
for
example,
if
they
challenged
a
finding
in
the
negative
by
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
council.
This
is
the
kind
of
bar
that's
required
to
be
cleared
in
order
to
get
a
density
bonus.
So
you
know
I
think
what
we've
received
from
the
applicant
probably
is
adequate
under
the
government
code
for
them
to
qualify
for
a
density
bonus.
A
F
Mr
City
attorney
I
have
a
question.
So
does
this
applicant
as
a
medical
building?
Does
it
qualify
for
the
bonus
density.
H
F
G
And
then
I
also
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
let
you
know
that
they
would
be
required
to
provide
10
of
very
low
income
units
to
qualify
for
a
second
concession.
E
I
got
a
quick
one
from
Jennifer:
we've
used
the
term
medical
office
building
throughout,
but
what's
their
obligation
to
keep
it
a
medical
office
building
I
couldn't
find
it
in
the
agreement.
I
couldn't
find
it
in
the
text
and
I
know.
A
lot
of
people
are
possibly
supporting
this
project
because
it
does
provide
some
medical
benefits,
but
it
a
regular
office
building
is
allowed
within
the
zone.
E
So
if
they
chose
to
not
do
it
medical
or
it
doesn't
turn
out
that
it
is
Medical,
does
everything
still
apply.
G
A
A
couple
more
questions
for
me
for
me:
one
is
staff,
has
reviewed
this
a
question
maybe
for
Zach
and
generally
agrees
with
the
the
findings
of
the
traffic
study
and
the
parking
study.
G
A
Thank
you
so
relative
to
the
write-in
right
out
and
the
potential
for
u-turns
and
all
that
including
inclusive
of
that.
Okay,
you
might
need
to
research
this
and
get
back
to
me
later
in
the
meeting.
The
question
is:
how
many
units
have
no
kind
of
outdoor
private
open
space,
no
balcony,
no
little
Courtyard.
Anything
like
that.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
no
further
questions
at
this
time.
I
may
have
later,
and
anybody
else
questions
at
this
time.
Okay,
should
we
next
allow
the
applicant
to
make
their
presentation?
I
You
and,
and
thanks
for
the
additional
time,
because
I
may
be
able
to
help,
also
respond
to
some
of
the
questions
that
that
were
raised
by
the
Commissioners,
so
planning
Commissioners,
City
staff
and
members
of
the
public
good
evening.
I'm
Tom
Leary,
a
senior
vice
president,
with
Memorial
Care
and
on
behalf
of
our
organization
and
specifically
Saddleback
Medical
Center
I'm,
privileged
to
present
to
you
this
evening
and
request
the
commission's
recommendation
for
approval
of
our
senior
living
and
and
Health
Center
project
on
the
Camino
de
los
mares
property.
I
I
With
that,
let's
turn
to
the
details
of
the
project.
As
you
may
recall,
we
spent
considerable
time
at
the
Joint
study
session
on
the
background
of
the
project.
So
in
the
interest
of
time
we
won't
repeat
that
presentation
here,
but
just
to
briefly
set
the
stage
for
tonight's
discussion,
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
I
I
The
project
consists
of
250
senior
residential
Apartment
Homes,
13
of
which
are
to
be
designated
as
affordable
for
the
very
low
income
level
and
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
that
later.
In
my
comments
and
further
keeping
with
our
Healthcare
Mission,
we
also
plan
to
construct
and
operate
a
7
500
square
foot
medical
office
building
that
will
offer
primary
specialty
and
Urgent
Care
Services
to
patients
in
the
community
and
with
a
particular
focus
on
the
needs
of
the
neighboring
residents.
I
I
So
we
believe
that
this
project
is
squarely
squarely
aligned
with
our
organization's
mission
to
promote
the
health
and
well-being
of
the
communities
that
we
serve
just
for
additional
context.
We
expect,
based
on
our
own
market
research,
that
the
average
age
of
persons
moving
into
this
project
will
be
around
70
or
71,
and
most
residents
will
be
over
the
age
of
65
and
fully
retired.
I
We
began
to
think
about
what
type
of
housing
would
both
mesh
with
our
Healthcare
Mission
and
best
serve
and
fit
within
the
community.
We
quickly
landed
on
the
idea
of
a
combined
residential
and
medical
office
development
aimed
at
seniors
since
that
time.
Our
team
has
worked
closely
with
the
city
staff
to
design
an
attractive
and
functional
development
that
would
allow
seniors
to
enjoy
the
benefits
of
all
that
the
neighboring
San
Clemente
Community
has
to
offer.
Our
goal
was
never
to
come
up
with
the
largest
project
that
we
could
build
or
the
cheapest.
I
I'm
pleased
to
announce
tonight
that,
as
a
result
of
those
very
efforts,
we've
been
working
with
the
San
Clemente,
affordable
housing,
Coalition
we've
had
an
open
and
professional
dialogue
with
them
for
several
weeks
on
the
affordable
component.
We
very
much
support
their
agenda.
We
agree
with
their
agenda
for
us
it
was
never
a
question
about
affordability.
It
was
a
question
of
viability,
the
economic
viability
of
the
project
for
a
potential
joint
venture
partner.
In
short,
how
many
units
can
we
handle
and
within
the
250,
and
still
make
this
work?
I
I
also
want
to
thank
council
member
Duncan,
who
made
was
very
clear
from
the
very
beginning
of
our
discussions
on
the
importance
of
affordable
housing.
We
heard
him,
we
listened
to
him
and
he
was
extremely
helpful
in
in
getting
all
of
us
to
better
understand
the
circumstances
within
which
we
were
working.
I
Tim
will
then
turn
it
over
to
Dean
irizable,
a
principal
with
LSA
Associates,
who
will
address
our
traffic
and
parking
analysis,
and
then
I'll
offer
a
few
closing
remarks,
after
which
we'll
welcome
your
questions
and
comments.
In
that
regard,
we
understand
that
there
are
likely
to
be
questions
remaining
from
the
study
session
on
the
density,
bonus
law
and
SQL
and
how
they
impact
this
project.
J
It
was
not
too
long
ago
we
were
here
with
Jamboree
housing
to
build
a
an
affordable
housing
project
in
the
community
of
Talega,
and
so
we're
excited
to
be
back
in
front
of
you
again
today
in
this
great
City
appreciate
it.
My
name
is
Tim
mustard
and
I'm
a
principal
and
an
equity
partner
in
a
medium-sized
architectural
firm,
based
here
in
Orange
County.
Behind
me,
we
have
125
staff
and
38
licensed
Architects
to
help
put
this
great
project
before
you
today.
J
Let
me
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please
I
want
to
start
off
with
some
site
context.
This
opening
slide
is
showing
an
overall
site
context
relative
to
the
adjacent
buildings
and
their
respective
overall
building
Heights.
The
this
demonstrates.
The
proposed
project
fits
within
the
neighborhood
size,
the
scale,
the
architectural
style
and
function
within
this
horizontal
mixed-use
community.
J
This
project
fits
within
the
what
fits
within
the
fabric
of
a
walkable
and
pedestrian
friendly
Community,
where
seniors
and
grandparents
and
parents
and
guests
they
can
walk
in
a
truly
walkable
neighborhood,
close
to
stores
to
cafes
to
the
Medical
Health
Care
office
nearby
and
will
become
one
of
the
most
vibrant
communities
for
seniors
in
Orange
County
next
slide.
Please
this
view.
Looking
North
on
Kamina
de
los
Mares
I
want
to
point
out
that
what
we
have
done
is
by
using
state-of-the-art
three-dimensional,
modeling
and
technology
developed
by
Google.
J
J
This
technology
allows
us
to
insert
the
project
to
be
seen
within
its
site
context
and,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
overall
building
mass
is
not
only
consistent
with
the
surrounding
buildings,
but
is
actually
lower
than
the
office
tower
across
the
street.
Next
slide.
Please.
J
J
This
upper
vignette
on
the
slide
shows
approximate
size
and
scale
of
what
358
units
would
look
like
with
its
required
parking,
roughly
six
to
seven
stories
and
up
to
2.0
far.
No
doubt
this
design
would
maximize
the
profits
of
the
building
owner,
but
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
It
doesn't
fit
within
the
context
of
this
site.
Instead,
as
you
can
see
by
the
lower
vignette,
what
we're
proposing
is
a
carefully
crafted
project
that
is
smaller,
more
sensitive
to
the
community
in
terms
of
scale
and
architecture
that
is
befitting
of
the
city's
Village
By.
J
The
Sea
design
next
slide
this
Pro.
This
slide
demonstrates
the
straight
on
elevation
of
our
project
and
it's
not
only
consistent
with
the
surrounding
buildings,
but
it's
actually
lower
than
the
project
located
at
675
and
again
at
629.
Camina
de
los
Mares
next
slide
now
a
little
bit
about
the
architecture.
This
slide
is
showing
the
three-story
building
Edge
along
Camino
de
los
Mires.
It's
important
to
note
here
that
the
building
mass
is
broken
down
by
providing
view
quarters
throughout
the
project.
J
J
This
North
building
perspective
shows
another
area,
another
angle
of
the
entry
area,
where
we're
stepping
the
building
down
from
four
stories
to
three
stories,
and
it's
important
to
point
out
here
that
our
team
is
paying
attention
to
the
details
throughout
the
entire
project.
The
building
doesn't
have
a
front
and
a
back
in
terms
of
architecture.
J
Unless
then,
50
percent
of
the
roof
shaded
in
the
yellow
blue
area
are
above
the
45
feet.
This
includes
the
smaller
elements
consisting
of
elevator
Towers,
which
are
designed
for
vertical
circulation.
They
also
have
to
accommodate
equipment,
horseways
ventilation
and
roof
structures
that
are
required
by
code.
J
This
slide,
our
exhibit
shows
the
number
of
stories
for
each
building
and
starting
with
the
building
one
to
the
left,
which
consists
of
a
three
and
a
four
Stories.
The
four
stories
are
highlighted
by
the
yellow
outline
and
is
set
back
over
140
feet
from
the
street
Edge
building
two,
the
roofs
are
all
three
stories
along
Camino,
Del,
Maris
de
las
mares
and
the
partial
fourth
floor
is
actually
stepping
down,
as
we
take
advantage
to
the
slope
adjacent
to
the
five
freeway
next
slide.
J
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
requests
about
story
polls,
so
we
wanted
to
put
this
slide
up
to
demonstrate.
The
small
colored
vignette
in
the
lower
right
hand
corner
is
an
example
of
what
story
polls
look
like
and
using
the
3D
technology.
We
applied
that
concept
to
our
our
site
and
what
you
know
due
to
the
size
and
complexity
of
the
different
roof
forms
that
we're
proposing
story
polls
just
aren't
practical.
J
It's
particularly
when
you
take
in
consideration
that
when
you're,
looking
from
seapoint
Estates,
where
the
minimum
house
is
600
feet
away
and
some
houses
are
as
far
as
one
thousand
and
two
thousand
feet
away
from
the
site,
it's
very
difficult
to
really
see
the
benefit
of
the
story
poles,
which
is
why
we
are
proposing
the
three-dimensional
modeling
which
we'll
show
next.
So,
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please,
oh
no!
J
In
the
next
few
slides
we're
going
to
show
you
actually
the
three-dimensional
modeling
in
view
simulation.
So
these
are
actual
views
taken
from
the
residence's
backyards
up
above
and
the
neighboring
Housing
Development,
and
we
believe
this
technology
is
setting
a
new
standard
on
how
to
view
a
project
before
it's
actually
built.
You
can
actually
see
the
project
in
the
background
as
if
it's
actually
finished
now.
J
The
technology
is
not
perfect,
but
let's
focus
on
the
views,
which
is
the
point
of
this
slide
in
the
next
few
slides
out
of
the
220
lots
that
are
in
the
seapoint
Estates.
There
are
four
lots
that
have
some
impact
to
their
Blue
Water
views
and
we're
going
to
show
that
in
a
minute,
but
over
260
lots
are
not
affected
at
all.
J
Let's
go
ahead
and
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
we
saw
the
view
from
three
Campania.
This
is
the
view
from
the
backyard
from
five
Campania.
As
you
can
see,
the
view
from
the
backyard
of
five
Campania
has
a
slight
intrusion
on
some
of
the
Blue
Water
views
beyond
the
taller
medical
office.
Building
in
the
foreground
next
slide,
please
and
at
seven
Campania.
J
In
fact,
on
the
next
slide,
if
you
may,
this
is
at
30,
Campania
and
Beyond,
you
can
see,
there's
no
obstruction
and
you
can
see
our
3D
model
in
about
the
middle
of
that
image
there
on
the
left
hand,
side
and
then,
lastly,
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
at
17
Marbella,
which
is
an
empty
lot
up
in
the
sites,
you
can
see
our
project
again.
In
the
left
middle
hand,
side
of
the
slide
there's
no
impact
on
the
views,
so
that
presents
the
the
slide
videos.
J
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
go
through
an
actual
video
presentation,
so
the
next
slide,
if
we
can
click
on
the
link,
we'll
go
through
a
quick
view
simulation.
This
is
where
we
use
the
Google
enhanced
street
views
and
actually
take
a
perspective
from
someone's
backyard
and
actually
pan
to
the
left
and
pan
to
the
right
we're
going
to
do
that
on
every
property.
So
it's
going
to
go
rather
quickly,
but
what
I
want
to
point
out
is
what
doesn't
show
up
in
the
static
views.
J
J
J
J
J
Now
it's
not
a
perfect
technology.
Like
I
said
this
is
Google
street
view.
The
trees
are
a
little
fuzzy
because
they
actually
show
up
as
individual
planes,
but
the
model
that
we
build
just
to
give
you
some
context
there.
The
model
that
you
see
in
the
background.
We
actually
use
a
program
called
SketchUp,
which
is
also
a
program
developed
by
Google.
It's
a
three-dimensional
modeling
program,
we're
actually
building
the
model
in
full
scale.
J
J
Air
conditioning
units,
for
example,
and
those
units
are
carefully
hidden
behind
the
roof
parapets
on
the
roof
of
the
buildings,
so
they're
not
on
the
ground
plane
to
interrupt
with
The
Pedestrian
experience
and
the
ground
floor,
but
as
much
as
possible,
given
the
red,
the
character
of
the
red
tile,
roofs
and
the
70
different
roof
forms
that
we
have.
We've
done
our
best
to
hide
that
equipment
from
site.
A
Okay,
we
would
like
to
hear
from
them,
but
briefly
in
a
highlight
only
format.
We've
got
a
lot
of
speaker
cards
and
a
lot
of
people
here
that
want
to
speak
tonight.
K
Good
evening
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
I
know
that
we're
pressed
for
time
so
I'll
make
it
brief.
As
you
know,
the
project
will
provide
312
total
parking
spaces
on
site
for
the
250
senior
residential
units
and
7
500
square
feet
medical
office
building.
This
includes
251
spaces
for
the
senior
units,
23
spaces
for
guests
of
the
units
and
38
spaces
for
the
medical
office.
Building
next
slide,
please,
the
proposed
project
will
include
61
shared
parking
spaces
for
the
senior
residents
and
the
medical
office.
Building,
this
shared
parking
agreement
is
appropriate
for
the
project.
K
Shared
parking
arrangements
are
so
common
and
almost
Universal
for
mixed-use
developments.
The
viability
and
success
of
shared
parking
is
dependent
on
complementary
uses,
uses
that
Peak
parking
during
different
time
periods.
Our
research
and
studies
show
that
Peak
parking
demand
for
each
project
use
does
not
occur
at
the
same
time.
K
For
example,
parking
for
the
medical
office
building
is
high
during
the
day,
but
quickly
decreases
after
6
PM.
Conversely,
guest
parking
for
the
senior
residential
units
Peak
from
7
to
10
pm
next
slide.
Please,
with
the
medical
office
parking
diminishing
at
6
pm
and
the
senior
residential
parking
increasing
after
7
PM
shared
parking
between
the
two
uses
is
completely
Justified
next
slide.
Please
survey
data
and
parking
rates
from
the
most
respected
traffic
and
parking
associations
and
organizations
in
the
country
support
our
parking
conclusions.
I
look
forward
to
discussing
those
with
you
next
slide.
K
I
That
concludes
our
presentation.
We
asked
for
your
recommendation
this
evening
and
we
welcome
your
your
questions
and
comments.
A
F
Said
the
it
was
the
studies
done
by
residential
parking.
What
about
senior
residential
parking.
F
Peak
time
was
at
seven
and
they
make
few
trips
what
about
the
trips
that
they
get
from
their
physical
therapists?
You
know
their
caregiver
were
those
taken
into
consideration
when.
E
Yeah
I've
got
a
number
of
things
I'd
like
to
ask
not
just
of
you
but
a
project
team
and
staff
before
public
comments,
so
they
have
this
information
available
to
them
when
they
make
their
comments.
We're
processing
this
project
simultaneously,
all
together.
So
one
resolution
covers
all
issues.
E
So
if
one
of
the
items
doesn't
get
a
a
positive
finding,
the
whole
thing
would
be
voted
against.
Is
that
correct,
Jennifer.
G
E
G
If
you
mean
that
those
could
be
processed
separately,
that's
correct.
Okay,.
E
So
those
don't
require
the
density.
Bonus,
doesn't
affect
them
directly
and
they're
pretty
clean
to
review
the
way.
I
understand
it
now
if
the
project
doesn't
happen
after
it's
approved,
the
only
thing
that
goes
away
is
the
cup,
the
site
plan
and
Architectural
permits
the
zoning,
the
track
map
and
the
General
plan
amendments
stay
in
place
because
they
run
with
the
land,
the
others
run
with
the
project.
The.
G
E
20
years,
okay
and
then
I
already
asked
the
question:
does
the
cup
obligate
the
the
commercial
building
is
medical
and
I?
Don't
think
it
does
at
this
point,
but
we
are
allowed
to
add
that
as
a
condition
of
approval.
G
E
Okay
and
the
one
thing
I'd
like
the
applicant
to
think
about
and
public
on
the.
E
New
agreement
to
do
eight
percent,
if
there
would
be
any
consideration
on
upping
that
if
they
weren't
all
low
but
low,
moderate
and
whatnot
with
that
up
the
percentage
and
could
that
be
balanced,
outwards
the
same
cost.
But
it
would
up
the
percentage
and
that
might
provide
more
available
housing
to
a
wider
spread
of
local
seniors.
I
Commissioner,
the
issue
for
us
there
I
think,
would
it
because
there's
a
direct
relationship
to
the
number
of
units
and
as
our
Consultants
indicated,
you
know
we
could
go
up
to
358.
We,
we
purposely
stayed
down
at
250,
because
we
thought
that
that
was
more
consistent
with
the
feel
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
surrounding
community,
where,
if
you
increase
the
number
of
units
that
are
designated
affordable
and
but
keep
that
250
the
same,
then
it
starts
to
put
pressure
on
the
economics
and
not
from
the
standpoint
of
profitability.
I
It's
a
question
of
viability
for
a
joint
venture
partner.
The
developer
that's
going
to
come
in,
can
they
recover
their
investment
on
that?
And
so
that's
the
analysis.
We'd
have
to
go
through
we're
comfortable
with
the
numbers
that
we've
put
in.
We've
done
some
basic
analysis
of
it
and
we
can
we're
confident
that
there's
a
market
for
this
at
the
level
that
we've
agreed
to
to
go
beyond
that.
I
The
concern
would
be
what
it
would
do
to
the
number
of
units
to
make
it
pencil
out
and
and
we've
tried
to
stay
at
the
250
for
the
reasons
that
I've
laid
out.
Well,
I
wasn't
thinking
of
changing
the
250
yeah
it
it
puts.
It
puts
added
pressure
on
the
on
that
number
of
units
in
terms
of
the
economic
viability
and,
of
course,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
people
want
the
project
built.
You
know
you,
you
want
that
eight
percent,
you
want
the
seniors
to
have
the
benefit
of
the
project
and.
E
Is
the
is
there
a
spread
in
the
low
income
units
or
are
they
all
the
studios.
I
Now
we
my
understanding
and
on
it,
is
that
and
it's
one
of
the
other
appeals
of
this
design
and
keeping
the
number
where
it
is,
is
that
we
will
be
able
to
spread
the
affordable
units
out
throughout
the
project
as
opposed
to
having
a
floor
plan
type
yeah,
as
opposed
to
having
them
designated
in
a
separate
building
and
and
from
a
social
standpoint.
That's
a
much
more
attractive
option
in
terms
of
integrating
the
affordable
tenant.
I
The
affordable
housing
tenants
with
the
broader
project,
so
I
don't
believe
that
we've
nailed
down
the
actual
mix
because
I
think
one
of
the
elements
and
the
planning
staff
can
correct
me
on
this
if
I'm
mistaken,
but
one
of
the
conditions
of
approval
is,
is
developing
that
affordable
housing
plan
that
would
lay
out
all
those
details.
I
Yeah
and
I
I
failed
to
answer
or
address
your
question
from
before
the
the
comments
about
the
development
agreement
in
terms
of
what
else
is
in
there,
there
are
a
number
of
other
Provisions
in
there
that
benefit
the
city
or
that
address
matters
of
interest
to
the
city.
I
Some
of
them
are
more
legal
in
nature,
but
it
really
does
fix
the
nature
of
the
development
I.
Think
to
your
question
about
the
medical
office
building,
because
I
was
thinking
about
it
back,
there
I
do
think
it
is
in
the
development
agreement
and
so
to
the
extent
that
we
were
going
to
change
from
that,
we
would
have
to
come
back
and
get
some
kind
of
an
amendment.
I
Some
kind
of
an
approval
to
do
that
plus,
in
terms
of
you
know,
building
a
medical
office
building
is
different
than
building
regular
office
building,
so
you'd
you'd
have
all
of
that
to
deal
with
as
well.
So
you
know
I
think
those
questions
are
probably
better
addressed
by
the
city
staff
and
the
City
attorney,
but
there
are
a
number
of
other
benefits.
E
G
Yes,
the
current
draft
of
the
development
agreement
is
45
years
in
the
density
bonus
law.
If
you're
looking
at
the
state
law
and
not
our
outdated
density,
bonus
ordinance
in
code,
55
years
is
not
explicitly
stated,
but
it
certainly
is
implied
in
some
of
the
provisions
for
rental
units.
So
there
is
a
lower
lesser
term
for
for
sale
units,
but
for
rental
units.
55
years
is
certainly
more
more
typically
typically
seen.
E
So,
does
that
mean
that
the
the
development
agreement
needs
to
be
changed
to
that
number
or
is
the
40
years
in
the
development
agreement
stay
it.
F
F
F
And
Mr
Larry
when
you
take
it
to
eight
percent,
are
there
going
to
be
any
physical
changes
to
the
project
other
than
dedicating
the
extra
units.
I
Certainly
not
that
I'm,
aware
of
the
the
determination
was
made
to
go
to
eight
percent
to
literally
probably
about
an
hour
90
minutes
before
this
meeting
so
I'm,
giving
you
real-time
information,
but
I
think
the
working
assumption
is
that
the
plan
stand,
as
is
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
E
E
Who
the
income
range
is
I?
Guess
I
was
really
looking
at
it
to
to
Crunch
the
numbers
instead
of
doing
three
percent
more
low.
I
I
understand
the
question
and
as
I
stand
here
today,
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
answer
because
I'm
frankly
not
that
good
at
math,
but
I
think
that
the
you
know
the
point
that
you're
making
is
or
what
you're
asking
is.
Is
there
a
way
to
kind
of
crunch
numbers
and
see
if
you
get
to
the
same
place
and
actually
open
up
more
units?
You
know
for
people
that
are
on
that
scale.
We
haven't
discussed
this
with
the
Coalition
either
so
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
them.
E
I
Focus
has
been
on
the
very
low
and,
and
so
as
we
stand
here
today,
what
we
would
be
saying
is
we
would
change
the
development
agreement
to
specify
eight
percent
very
low,
which
would
translate
to
20
units.
I
can
do
that
math.
So
thank
you.
Okay,.
A
Thank
you
as
a
follow-on
to
that
I
I
agree
because,
if
like,
if
I'm
mistaken,
they're
they're
supposed
right
now
proposing
all
very
low,
not
just
low
but
very
low,
and
so
I
personally
would
prefer
to
see
us
some
strata,
because
commissioner
Crandall
is
absolutely
right.
There's
going
to
be
people
that
don't
you
know,
aren't
available
to
afford
the
market
rent
but
they're
not
going
to
qualify
for
the
very
low,
but
maybe
they
qualify
for
low
or
medium
or
some
other
category
and
we'd
love
to
have
them
too,
as
as
options.
A
So
I
know
that
you
know
what
we're
considering
tonight
is
not
a
final
approval
in
that
it's
going
to
go
to
the
city
council,
so
I
would
suggest
that
you
consider
and
explore
those.
I
And
we
certainly
would
commit
to
further
engagement
with
staff
and
and
with
the
Coalition
and
others
that
are
interested
in
that
issue,
to
see,
if
there's
a
mix
that
actually
makes
more
sense.
Okay,.
A
The
other
question
I
have
and
then
we'll
get
to
public
comments
in
just
a
second
for
the
parking
relative
to
parking
I'm,
not
sure
it
might
be
a
u
issue,
or
maybe
the
consultant
but
I'm
significantly
concerned
about
you
know
the
parking
is,
is
yes,
it's
per
code,
but
it's
pretty
minimal,
but
if
the,
if
the
parking
like,
if
there's
250
units
and
they're
all
reserved
for
individual
spaces
and
yet
there's
residents
that
don't
have
a
car,
but
they
have
a
reverse
reserved
space,
and
maybe
they
want
to
keep
that
reserve
space
for
the
once
a
week
on
a
Sunday
afternoon
when
their
child
comes
to
visit
them
right
that
that
space
is,
is
yes,
it's
a
space,
but
it's
not
really
available.
A
It's
not
utilized
and
being
utilized.
So
can
you
please
address?
Has
there
been
any
consideration
of
how
actually
you're
going
to
distribute
and
make
available
parking?
Is
it
going
to
be
unrestricted?
Are
there
going
to
be
Reserve
spaces
and
I
will
tell
you
and
warn
you
that
this
is
a
significant
concern
to
to
myself
and
I'm
sure
others.
I
Dean
was
just
telling
me
that
you
know
their
focus,
of
course,
was
on
the
supply.
Chair,
McCann
I.
Think
the
the
detail
of
your
questions
that
we
just
haven't
gotten
to
that
level
of
detail.
Yet
in
terms
of
developing
the
HOA
rules
and
how
parking
is
going
to
get
assigned
and
whether
there'll
be
an
added
cost
associated
with
it.
I'd
say
the
analysis
that's
been
done
at
this
point
is
more
of
a
macro
analysis
and
we're
comfortable
with
it
and
I
think
that
the
city's
Consultants
also
are
comfortable
with
it.
I
But
we
certainly
take
your
comment
to
heart.
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
and
I
think.
The
scenario
that
you
laid
out
is
certainly
a
realistic
one.
You
know,
as
somebody
that
has
aging
parents
and
kind
of
dealt
with
these
issues,
I
think
you're
right
on
that,
so
we
can
certainly
drill
down
into
that
a
little
bit
deeper
and
see
if
there's
something
that
we
can
commit
to
that
would
get
you
comfortable
on
that
issue.
G
G
G
B
I
And
if
I
might
add,
there's
a
specific
provision
in
the
development
agreement
about
assignment
and
That
addresses
these
kinds
of
issues.
This
topic
has
been
one
that
we've
specifically
discussed
with
the
city
staff
and
and
understand
all
the
reasons
behind
the
questions
that
you're
asking
and-
and
it's
set
up,
I
think
to
address
what
your
concern
is,
which
is
that,
basically,
anybody
that
comes
in
has
to
play
by
those
rules
on.
B
The
issue
of
parking,
because
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
problematic,
especially
with
the
office
building
during
the
hours
of
like
seven
in
the
morning,
till
5
PM
that
you
still
have
competition
between
you
know:
patients
coming
to
the
doctor's
offices,
whichever
doctors,
you
might
have
there,
you
said
Primary,
Care
and
competition
with
those
that
live
in
the
you
know,
housing.
When
you
talked
about
HOA
rules,
did
you
does
that
mean
there
might
be
a
rule
saying
nobody
can
park
over
in
that?
B
You
know
shared
area
from
you
know
during
the
morning
hours,
because
if
you
go
across
the
street
at
the
medical
office
building
the
tall
one
where
they
have
a
blood
draw
station,
you
can
go
there
at
seven
in
the
morning
and
there's
no
parking
spaces
already
and
they're
they're
not
competing
with
a
you
know
a
Housing
Development
right
next
door
yeah.
So
my
biggest
concern
really
is
parking,
not
so
much
of
the
residents
but
to
the
people
that
are
going
to
utilize.
The
medical
office
building
right.
I
You
know
the
aside
from
whatever
parking
rules
are
imposed
as
a
on
the
residence
of
the
senior
facility.
There
will
be,
there
will
be
a
shared
parking
agreement
between
the
the
owner
of
the
office
building
and
then
the
whoever
is
involved
in
the
in
the
in
the
residential
Center.
That
I
think
will
address
those
issues
again:
I
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
on
it
and
those
are
real
practical
issues.
I
B
A
We
are
now
going
to
open
the
public
hearing
and
hear
from
the
public.
Please
note
that
if
you
want
to
talk,
I
have
a
stack
of
speaker
cards.
If
you
haven't
filled
one
out,
please
come
up
to
the
front,
get
one
and
fill
one
and
pass
them
to
these
great
Folks
up
here
and
they'll
make
sure
I
get
it.
We're
excited
to
hear
from
you
for
three
minutes
each.
A
So
there
is
a
three
minute
time
limit
per
person
and
in
the
interest
of
everybody's
time,
that
will
be
strictly
enforced.
Thank
you.
So
if
the
yellow
light
comes
up,
your
timer
is
waiting
short
and
different
when
it
grows
red,
you're
gonna
get
the
yank
or
whatever
it
is.
A
A
So
our
first
speaker
will
be
Linda.
Jurgen
coming
up
following
Linda
will
be
K,
Loper
Letty
and
after
them
pedrig
mid
press,
matrevsky.
M
M
My
concern
tonight
is
for
the
1455
elderly
rental
renter
households
in
San,
Clemente,
whose
welfare
is
at
stake
in
your
negotiations,
with
Memorial
Care
over
the
allotment
of
low-income
housing
units
to
be
made
available
at
the
planned
site
of
the
senior
apartments
on
Los
Maris
for
the
old
hospital
used
to
be
now
I
have
news
I've
heard
the
news
that
the
the
number
the
percentage
has
been
raised
today.
I
was
not
aware
of
it.
Till
I
came
in
here.
M
M
M
So
anyway,
I
think
it's
great
and
I'm
delighted
to
hear
about
the
the
plans
for
the
program.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
J
C
You,
council,
members
and
planning
committee
members.
My
name
is
Dr
Fred
mitrevsky
I
live
here
in
San
Clemente
I've
been
here
for
17
years
with
my
wife
and
three
kids
who
go
to
San
Clemente
High,
School,
California
Native
grew
up
in
Huntington,
initially
I've
been
practicing
as
an
internal
medicine,
physician
on
Camino
de
los
mares.
Now
for
17
years
since
I
finished
my
residency
and
I
see
a
lot
of
senior
patients
in
the
community
and
I.
Think
housing
is
really
important
for
seniors.
C
I
think
that
the
location
on
Los
Mars
is
an
excellent
place
for
seniors
to
live
and
they
have
real
good
Physicians
nearby,
as
well
as
primary
care
and
Specialists.
There's
pharmacies
there's
all
kinds
of
eating
places:
Imaging
Labs,
so
I
think
it's
a
good
project
that
I
hope
our
senior
community
in
the
area.
N
Last
year,
our
system
provided
over
200
million
dollars
in
community
benefit
to
the
community.
It's
like.
We
provide
Grant
months
to
organizations
like
age,
well,
Senior
Services,
to
assist
with
senior
transportation
and
Meals
on
Wheels
to
Friendship
Shelter,
to
assist
in
temporary
housing,
a
grant
for
helping
hand
worldwide,
which
provides
mobile,
fresh
food
for
low-income
seniors.
Just
this
past
weekend,
we
had
a
health
care
Expo
in
Laguna
Woods,
where
seniors
could
learn
about.
C
Good
evening,
chair,
McCann
and
planning
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Connor
Medina
I'm,
the
government
Affairs
manager
for
the
Orange
County
Business
Council,
the
leading
voice
of
business
in
Orange
County,
representing
businesses,
and
our
mission
to
enhance
the
Region's
Economic,
Development
and
quality
of
life.
Ocbc
is
proud
to
express
its
support
for
the
Memorial,
Care
senior
housing
and
Health
Center
project.
C
One
of
the
business
council's
main
priorities
for
decades
has
been
to
facilitate
the
development
of
new
housing
in
a
region
that
faces
an
existential
housing
shortage
across
the
board,
including
housing
for
seniors.
Our
research
on
the
local
housing
landscape
landscape
consistently
shows
a
shortfall
of
units
necessary
to
meet
the
demand
of
our
Workforce
and
our
overall
population.
C
Today
there
are
six
hundred
thousand
seniors
over
the
age
of
60
in
Orange
County,
and
this
number
is
expected
to
double
in
the
next
20
years,
while
the
housing
stock
is
currently
incapable
of
keeping
up
with
this
population
increase.
In
fact,
our
community
indicators
report
released
earlier
this
week
found
that
the
65
and
up
segment
of
the
population
is
the
only
segment
expected
to
grow
from
now
between
now
and
2060,
from
17
to
29.
So
this
is
an
investment
in
San
Clemente's
future
as
well.
C
The
business
Community
is
acutely
aware
that
the
housing
that
housing
is
a
determinant
of
one's
overall
health.
Due
to
this,
we
are
seeing
a
variety
of
Industries
driving,
supporting
and
partnering
on
housing
initiatives,
including
healthcare
providers.
C
This
transformational
senior
housing
project
brings
both
Memorial
Care's
renowned
health
care
services
and
250
units
of
sorely
needed
senior
housing
together
in
one
location.
The
Urgent,
Care
and
health
facility
on
this
campus
will
be
accessible
to
all
San
Clemente
residents
as
well.
The
Business
Council
would
also
like
to
emphasize
the
applicant's
commitment
to
making
sure
that
this
development
fits
the
community
by
ensuring
the
design
of
the
building's
complement,
the
character
of
its
surroundings
and
other
building
Heights,
while
demonstrating
that
the
project
has
minimal
impact
on
traffic
patterns.
C
This
project
will
help
local
seniors
remain
in
the
community
that
they
call
home
and
will
help
address
the
overall
housing
shortage
affecting
San
Clemente
families.
The
Orange
County
Business
Council
respectfully
asks
for
your
approval
for
this
senior
living
and
medical
facility
Project,
based
on
the
significant
benefits
that
it
will
provide
to
San,
Clemente
families
and
businesses.
Thank
you.
O
Good
evening,
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
staff,
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
speak
and
to
address
you
I
want
to
come
to
you
on
two
fronts
here,
one
as
a
former
resident
of
San
Clemente
I
grew
up
here.
My
wife
and
I
lived
here
for
the
first
couple
years
of
my
first
daughter
when
she
was
born
and
we
unfortunately
had
to
move
because
of
cost.
As
that
does
happen.
Unfortunately,
we've
stayed
in
Orange
County
and
we
don't
ever
plan
to
leave
this
area.
O
Another
story
about
a
family
having
to
leave
was
my
great-grandparents,
who
lived
in
San
Clemente
for
almost
all
of
their
lives
Unfortunately
they
did
leave
when
they
were
older
because
they
were
unable
to
continue
to
take
care
of
themselves
in
the
home
that
they
were
in.
They
needed
more
attention
medically,
so
due
to
lack
of
that
kind
of
attention.
At
that
time
they
were
forced
to
sell
their
house
and
they
moved
up
to
Arcadia.
O
You
know:
I
grew
up
down
here:
I
served
to
San
Clemente
beaches,
I
I
did
Junior
Lifeguards
down
here,
I
learned
to
swim
at
only
hands
at
beach
club.
Like
probably,
a
lot
of
people
in
here
did
as
well
and
a
lot
of
those
things
were
made
available
to
me,
because
my
grandmother
was
still
here
and
she
was
able
to
drive
me
and
take
me
fortunately,
and
unfortunately,
for
her.
She
did
pass
before
having
to
deal
with
needing
extended
care.
O
So
what
would
have
been
great
is
to
have
these
extra
Apartments,
whether
they
be
low
income
but
just
senior
focused,
so
that
our
senior
community
has
options
to
be
able
to
stay
in
this
city
and
the
town
they
love.
Everybody
knows
that
when
they
come
to
visit
here,
they're
happier
I've
got
people
in
from
DC
right
now
that,
as
soon
as
they
stepped
off
the
plane,
there's
a
big
smile
on
their
face.
Nobody
wants
to
leave
and
nobody
wants
to
be
forced
to
leave
because
they
don't
have.
O
They
aren't
able
to
get
the
care
that
they
need
and
I
feel
that,
as
we
are
able
to
build
these
projects
that
will
be
focused
on
our
seniors.
We
should
take
advantage
of
that
and
take
care
of
the
people
that
took
care
of
us
for
probably
our
whole
lives.
Switching
a
little
bit
of
the
role
I
do
my
profession
is
in
commercial
retail
development
and
I
will
tell
you
that
Memorial
Care
is
and
they're
incredibly
invested
in
the
communities
that
they
serve
they're.
My
family's
doctors
is
all
Memorial
Care.
O
We
utilize
them
for
everything
from
our
childbirth.
Up
to
our
normal
daily
go
doctor
visits.
This
is
a
thoughtful
developer
that
has
taken
into
consideration.
Sacramento's,
unique
perspective
on
how
everything
looks
and
how
everything's
supposed
to
be.
You
saw
from
their
their
their
plan
how
they've
taken
into
consideration
just
the
views
of
the
ocean,
of
the
few
people
behind
them
and
maintain
those
views,
and
we
all
know
how
important
those
are.
O
They
are
going
to
be
here
a
long
time.
There's
a
lot
of
Memorial
Care
around
you.
Don't
have
to
worry
about
a
short-lived
area
and
a
developer
that
listens
to
the
city.
The
community
makes
agreements
to
up
these
kind
of
numbers
right
before
meeting
is
one
that
you
should
really
consider
Cyrus.
You
guys
do
recommend
this
development.
Thank
you.
K
K
K
The
majority
of
the
council
and
the
Planning
Commission
in
their
discussions
were
concerned
about
traffic
conditions
and
the
lack
of
information
of
that
impact.
The
need
for
story
polls
was
discussed
and
and
how
they
could
help
with
the
adjacent
residents
to
evaluate
their
view.
Compromise.
K
The
most
important
discussion
point
was
the
request
of
Memorial
care
for
a
zoning
variance
to
allow
four-story
structures.
This
was
combined
with
the
discussion
of
asking
for
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
rental
units
from
250
to
around
125.,
based
on
the
information
above
as
I
support
the
city
council
discussion
and
the
Planning
Commission
discussion
requiring
a
traffic
study,
a
story
poll
installation
granting.
No
variance
request
and
reducing
the
rental
units
to
125..
C
My
name
is
John
conk
and
I'm,
a
San
Clemente
homeowner.
Let
me
start
by
saying
that
I'm
not
opposed
to
the
appropriate
and
responsible
Redevelopment
of
the
hospital
side
of
senior
housing
and
medical
office
uses
if
the
project
was
reduced
to
conform
with
the
city's
established
height
limit
of
45
feet,
the
maximum
allowable
number
of
stories
three
and
within
the
allowable
far
and
meet
with
the
city's
minimum
parking
requirements
without
shared
parking.
C
There
are
just
too
many
potatoes
in
this
senior
apartment,
Sac
concessions,
waiver
after
waiver,
after
waiver
I
count,
two
concessions
by
the
way,
not
one
height
is
one
number
of
stories
is
a
second
and
they're,
not
the
same
thing.
If
you
need
all
of
these,
then
maybe
you're
trying
to
do
too
much
again.
There's
too
many
potatoes.
Having
said
that,
tonight,
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
the
Rush
review
and
approval
process
that
this
project
is
enjoying
I've,
never
seen
a
significant
project
move
so
swiftly
through
the
review
and
entitlement
process.
C
Is
this
and
that's
not
a
good
thing?
Some
important
steps
are
being
skipped.
I
made
mention
of
this
at
the
August
31st
Planning
Commission
and
city
council
joint
study
session,
and
my
comments
were
swept
under
the
rug
by
the
City
attorney.
I
also
spoke
at
the
city
council
meeting
last
night
during
public
comment,
I'm
here
to
tell
you
again
that
this
is
not
the
proper
way
to
entitle
a
development
project.
C
Would
you
make
that
recommendation
to
approve
that
project
without
any
formal
public
comment
period?
I'm
sure
you
wouldn't,
of
course
the
answer
is
no,
but
that
is
what
staff
is
asking
you
to
recommend
to
the
city
council
tonight
in
2021.
The
programmatic
eir
for
the
housing
element
update,
did
not
include
this
project
during
the
public
review
and
comment
period,
and
now
1
000,
Pages,
1037
pages
of
Environmental
Studies
have
just
dropped
a
few
days
ago.
They're
also
not
made
available
for
public
review
and
comment.
C
That's
four
inches
two
reams
of
documents
that
the
public
review
period
there
isn't
one
for
that.
Have
you
reviewed
this
thousand
page
or
this
thousand
page
document
I
haven't
I've
only
had
time
to
look
at
a
few
of
them.
A
250
unit
development
without
having
formal
review
and
comment
from
the
public
to
review
potential.
Significant
environmental
impacts
is
not
appropriate.
Please
don't
fall
for
your
city
staff
stating
that
it
is
not
required
because
the
programmatic
eir
has
already
been
certified.
C
Let
me
read
to
you
from
the
one
of
the
newly
released
documents,
the
VMT
analysis,
which
is
part
of
the
1037
Pages
page
one
States
and
I
quote
the
objectives
of
the
San
Clemente
housing
element,
update,
included
number
one,
identify
potential
future
rezone
sites
and
obtain
public
feedback.
End
quote
the
certified
programmatic
eir
for
the
housing
element
update,
clearly
states
that
this
project
was
not
included
in
the
public
review
and
comment
process.
Public
feedback
related
to
this
project
has
not
been
obtained,
not
during
the
previous
programmatic
eir
process,
and
not
now
during
this
addendum
process.
C
B
Members
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
staff,
my
name
is
Richard
monks
and
I
reside
in
seapoint.
My
first
concern
is
on
Memorial's
plan
sheet
8-6.1
site
review.
It
shows
two
view
lines
one
directly
over
the
CVS
and
the
other
one
is
over
San
Clemente
Villas.
The
two
view
lines
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
proposed
senior
housing.
B
I
pointed
this
out
to
Memorial,
so
they
did
a
view
simulation
or
what
I
call
rendering
from
my
back
deck
I
immediately
notified
them.
That
I
disagreed
with
their
findings
for
the
following
reasons.
The
vertical
and
horizontal
scale
is
incorrect.
No
elevations
are
shown
for
any
new
or
existing
buildings.
B
B
B
P
Hello,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
us
to
speak
tonight.
My
name
is
Linda
Rogers
and
I
live
on
Campanella
in
seapoint,
Estates
I
wasn't
given
a
gas
card
to
show
up
that
I
thought
I
would
drive
over
here
anyway,
as
I
heard,
other
members
have
been
giving
a
cast
card
anyway,
I'm
glad
that
a
senior
apartment
complex
is
going
to
be
constructed,
but
I
don't
approve
of
it
in
its
current
form.
P
It's
a
good
thing
that
there
will
be
some
very
low
income
units,
but
there
are
only
20
as
of
now
and
as
was
spoken
by
Memorial
Care
people
kept
emphasizing
how
glad
they
were
that
their
relatives
can
have
affordable
senior
housing.
Fortunately,
these
20
units
aren't
going
to
go
very
far.
In
reality,
the
rent
will
be
above
market
rate
due
to
location
of
the
building,
the
view
and
the
fact
that
it
is
brand
new
construction
I'm
also
worried
about
the
safety
of
all
our
neighborhoods
due
to
the
extra
traffic
and
lack
of
parking.
P
It
is
available
on
site.
We're
talking
about
residents
who
are
55
years
and
older
I
can
guarantee
that
the
majority
of
those
at
rent
here
will
be
of
a
two-car
household.
Where
are
the
extra
cars
going
to
park?
There
isn't
any
side
streets
where
parking
can
be
utilized.
Ralph's
parking,
lot's,
a
nightmare
that
basically
leaves
the
medical
building
parking
lots
across
the
street.
Jaywalkied
is
going
to
be
legal
in
California.
P
We
hear
cars
at
alarming
speeds,
racing
up
and
down
Camino
de
los
Suarez
at
hours
all
hours
of
the
night,
and
then
there's
already
been
fatalities
on
Camino
de
los
mores
in
the
past.
The
design
Review
Committee
repeatedly
requested
that
Memorial
Care
reduced
the
size
of
the
building,
the
height
of
the
building
and
or
improve
on
the
parking
spaces.
Instead,
Memorial
Care
continues
to
push
the
same
plan
to
you
all
of
you
on
the
Planning
Commission,
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
represent
the
city
of
San,
Clemente
and
its
residence.
P
You
do
not
represent
Memorial
Care
or
any
of
the
other
businesses
to
want
to
shove
something
down
our
throats,
which
goes
against
the
bylaws
of
the
city.
The
size
of
the
building
is
too
dense
if
they
could
just
remove
the
fourth
floor.
Keep
the
height
of
the
current
45
limit,
I.
Think
that
would
probably
solve
a
lot
of
the
problems.
That's
happening
with
this
project
that
would
eliminate
38
units,
which
would
also
help
with
the
parking
situation
on
a
buy
note.
P
We
live
at
15
campanilla
and
they
didn't
show
our
view
on
the
simulation,
but
when
they
presented
at
our
community,
our
view
would
be
totally
gone
and
I
know
views
aren't
guaranteed.
They
aren't
that
important,
but
it
is
to
us
we
moved
in
the
house
11
years
ago.
It
was
our
dream
home.
We
have
a
view
that
looks
out
over
the
hospital.
We
have
the
trees,
we
have
the
ocean,
we
can
see
San
Clemente
Island
and
we
have
the
sky.
P
A
K
K
I
fell
in
love
with
the
charm
of
our
city
and
at
age,
17
vowed
to
someday
call
San
Clemente,
my
home.
It
took
40
years,
but
in
2011
my
wife,
Linda
and
I
were
able
to
purchase
a
smaller
home
with
a
nice
view,
the
ocean
trees
and
over
the
top
of
the
hospital
we
purchased
a
home
for
the
view
we
per
the
views,
our
source
of
peace
and
Tranquility.
If
Memorial
Care
is
granted
all
the
variants
in
incentives,
the
peace,
tranquility
and
view
will
go
away.
K
The
same
holds
true
for
many
of
our
neighbors.
If
the
variances
in
the
incentives
are
granted,
they
will
be
setting
a
precedent
for
future
construction.
This
will
have
a
very
negative
impact
on
our
city
if
the
variance
in
incentives
are
allowed,
future
projects
will
demand
the
same
similar
concessions.
K
P
K
Or
do
you
want
the
safety,
yes,
safety
and
the
charm
of
the
Spanish
Village
By,
the
Sea?
In
conclusion,
if
the
project
is
built
with
all
the
variances
and
incentives,
the
project
will
not
fit
in
our
community.
There
are
no
four-story
structures
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
community
a
lot
of
smarts
between
the
freeway
and
the
Villas.
If
the
project
is
developed,
when
within
code
everybody
wins,
Memorial
Care
would
have
a
reasonable
profit.
Very
low
income
seniors
will
have
additional
housing
and
there
will
be
housing
options
for
other
seniors.
K
In
addition,
our
community
will
remain
recently
safe
and
the
only
Hansen's
vision
for
San
Clemente
will
remain
alive.
This
is
clear.
The
project
will
either
be
about
maximizing
Memorial's
care
return
on
its
investment
or
keep
Sam
Clemente's
Village
By
the
Sea
for
all
to
enjoy.
This
historical
decision
is
up
to
you.
If
I'm
correct
story
polls
are
required
in
Dana
Point
in
Laguna
Beach,
given
what
Memorial
Care
is
requesting,
it
is
my
opinion
that
this
project
warrants
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
Ken.
P
We
I
am
chair
of
welcoming
Neighbors
Home,
a
coalition
of
people
in
South
Orange
County,
including
San
Clemente,
who
advocate
for
affordable
housing,
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
San
Clemente,
affordable
housing
Coalition.
When
we
heard
this
afternoon
that
the
Memorial
Care
intends
to
make
eight
percent
of
the
housing
of
the
of
these
units
to
be
for
very
low
income.
We
were
delighted
while
we
had
hoped
for
even
more
units
after
further
discussion
with
Memorial
Care
staff.
We
understand
that
this
level,
affordability
is
what
will
pencil
out.
P
There
is
a
huge
need
for
affordable
units
at
the
very
low
income
level,
more
so
than
at
the
low
and
moderate
affordable
levels,
because,
frankly,
at
the
low
and
moderate
levels,
those
market
rate,
those
rents
are
quite
close
to
market
rate,
we're
very
appreciative
of
Memorial
Care,
and
that
is
an
understanding
the
needs
of
the
community,
because
we
believe
that
housing
is
important,
an
important
determinant
of
Health
as
planning
Commissioners.
You
are
well
aware
of
the
Regional.
P
Housing
needs
allocation
for
San
Clemente,
which
calls
for
982
units
of
housing
with
282,
very
low
and
164
low.
Note
more
need
for
very
low
income.
This
project
with
250
homes
are
very
much
needed
and
with
the
inclusion
of
eight
percent
of
the
units
as
affordable
to
very
low
income
seniors,
this
large
site
represents
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
begin
to
fill
the
need
for
homes,
especially
for
the
lower
income
seniors
San
Clemente's.
P
Recent
housing
element
indicates
that
there
are
638
elderly
renter
households
that
are
severely
cost
burdened,
meaning
they
pay
over
50
percent
of
their
income
on
housing.
This
project
will
mean
that
fewer
seniors
will
be
at
risk
for
homelessness.
We
applaud
memorial
for
being
so
attuned
to
the
needs
of
the
lower
income
seniors.
We
wish
to
voice
our
very
strong
support
for
this
project
and
we
urge
you
to
support
it
with
the
revised
plans
for
the
affordability.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
community
service
and
thank
you.
A
M
Planning
Commission,
my
name,
is
Carrie
Bettencourt
and
I
live
at
four
via
Goleta.
It
is
my
understanding,
through
looking
at
design,
review
subcommittee
minutes
that
the
project
has
been
discussed
on
the
record
multiple
times
each
time
feedback
on
height,
massiveness
density
have
been
given,
but
clearly
the
proposed
project
still
exceeds
City
Zoning
maximums
and
does
not
incorporate
the
drsc's
design
recommendations
at
the
August
24th
meeting.
The
comments
were
more
intentional.
Projects
in
surrounding
cities
like
Dana,
Point
and
Laguna
Niguel
make
people
afraid
of
what
San
Clemente
will
become.
M
This
density
is
larger
than
what
the
Zone
allows.
There
are
several
exceptions
and
the
applicant
is
making
a
massive
request.
This
project,
with
the
proposed
massing
and
density,
make
it
hard,
sell
and
drsc
does
not
think
it
can
be
supported
in
addition
to
having
a
height
over
the
45
foot
maximum,
the
density
is
measured
by
floor
area
ratio
is
0.89,
which
is
78
percent
over
the
maximum
of
0.5
Planning
Commission.
Please
do
not
recommend
the
project
to
be
approved
as
currently
proposed.
M
It
compromises
the
architecture
of
a
city
and
due
to
its
unit
in
Resident
density,
crates,
public
safety
issues,
as
others
have
attested.
In
addition,
there
were
comments
made
about
the
density
bonus
law
which
I've
tried
to
understand
over
the
last
few
weeks.
There
are
concessions
and
there
are
some
assumptions
that
are
built
into
it.
A
concession
is
reduction
in
site
development
standards,
a
modification
of
zoning
code
or
architectural
design.
M
Those
site
development
standards
was
lumped
into
you
get
that
and
that
the
only
thing
they
were
asking
for
was
height,
so
I
would
say
to
each
of
you
if
you're
not
aware
of
these
and
I
again
I'm
a
novice,
so
I
don't
claim
to
be
an
expert
here,
but
I
would
definitely
look
at
this
because
it
felt
like
some
of
those
things
were
just
part
of
the
package
that
you
had
to
assume
as
a
not
even
a
concession,
as
there's
only
one
concession
that
can
be
made.
Thank
you.
K
K
Let
me
read
it
to
you:
we,
the
undersigned
homeowners
of
residents
of
seapoint
Estates
in
San,
Clemente,
California
petition,
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
city
council
of
San
Clemente
to
reject
the
Memorial
Care
senior
housing
project
at
654,
Camino
de
los
mares,
as
currently
proposed
that
those
three
words
are
key.
We're
not
saying
don't!
Do
this
we're
saying,
as
currently
proposed
and
you've
heard
some
of
these
things
already,
but
exceeding
the
the
city
height
limit
of
45
feet.
K
The
city's
three-story
limit
allowing
the
Project's
proposed
shared
parking
program,
and
we've
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
today
and
then
the
250
units
I
know,
there's
a
slide
up
there
that
showed
350.
We
could.
We
could
have
done
that,
but
we
only
did
250
250
is
a
a
big
I'm,
not
sure
what
happened
there.
A
I,
don't
think
his
time
was
restarted
correctly.
Sorry
about
that
Mr
Bettencourt
keep
keep
going
and
if
it
gets
too
long-winded,
then
we'll.
K
Okay,
so
the
250
units
is
still
pretty
pretty
massive
okay
as
far
as
the
density
goes,
so
we
believe
that
the
45
feet
is
being
seating
that
the
three-story
limit,
it's
just
in
the
shared
parking
program,
just
too
many
units
for
a
6.1
Acre
Site.
We
also
believe
it'll
have
serious
impacts
on
Public
Safety,
due
to
insufficient
parking
as
a
result,
as
a
result
of
the
flawed
sharing
Park
parking
program.
K
We
also
believe
all
those
things
impact
the
ocean
views,
cataly,
Island
views,
which
some
of
these
people
have
had
since
the
1980s
there's
kind
of
an
implied
contract
with
the
city.
When
you
set
up
a
limit
on
Heights
that
I
can
buy
a
house
and
know
that
it's
going
to
be
this
High
when
you
just
do
a
variance
that
that
implied
contract
with
it
with
a
resident
is
gone.
They
bought
a
house
based
on
that.
K
They
they
invested
money
to
you
know
to
get
those
views
and
now
that
that
money,
their
views
are
gone,
they're
going
to
lose
that
money
plus,
more
importantly,
like
a
couple
of
them,
already
said
the
views
that
they
they
bought.
That
house,
for
for
their
you
know,
retirement
or
whatever
they're
gone.
That's
huge!
Okay.
K
K
C
Point
could
have
could
support
the
appropriate
and
responsible
Redevelopment
and
Hospital
site
as
a
senior
housing
and
medical
office
use
if
the
project
was
reduced,
45
feet
three
stories
without
the
shared
parking
now
a
couple
things
story:
polls:
okay,
there's
a
reason:
it's
kind
of
the
elephant
in
the
room.
Why
that
those
aren't
going
up?
It's
going
to
cause
people
to
take
notice
of
what's
going
on
there,
people
don't
know.
Okay,
we
didn't
find
out
for
two
or
three
months
or
two
or
three
months
ago
that
this
project
was
even
going.
K
One
of
our
residents
sent
it
to
us.
I
started
drilling
down
and
looking
at
the
links
and
I
was,
we
were
shocked.
We
had
no
clue
so
we
started
you
know
getting
together
and
mobilizing
as
we
did
so
people
just
don't
know.
If
those
story
polls
are
up,
people
are
gonna.
Go
what
is
going
on
there?
Okay,
also,
as
they
mentioned
the
Google
Earth
and
things
like
that.
They
don't
show
that's
not
the
core
competency,
that
program
it's
not
to
render
views
and
where
buildings
are
and
things
like
that.
A
K
K
Okay,
okay,
so
I
think
the
exposure
is
is
a
problem
there.
The
45,
like
I,
said
the
implied
contract
with
with
the
residents
and
also
what
else
did
I
have.
D
K
Oh
we've
had
a
couple
just
in
the
last
couple
weeks:
we've
had
developers
and
people
that
have
big
rental
units
and
so
forth
and
apartment
complexes
and
they've
come
to
us
in
the
last
week,
suddenly
realizing
what
this
project
really
is.
So
they're
just
figuring
this
out.
This
thing
is
running
so
fast
that
you
know
we
don't
know
what's
going
on
with
it
and
we
had
to
catch
up,
and
then
you
had
people
that,
were
you
know
that
they're
going.
C
I
thank
the
chairman
and
the
planning
Commissioners
for
giving
me
an
opportunity
to
talk.
My
name
is
Dr
nabneet,
Badu
and
I
live
at
73
Marbella
I
am
a
resident
of
San
Clemente
for
more
than
20
years,
I
actually
had
an
opportunity
to
work
and
serve
the
residents
of
San
Clemente
at
the
San
Clemente
hospital.
C
C
So
since
2016
Memorial
Care
has
closed
our
local
hospital,
which
provided
this
comprehensive,
multi-specialty,
Medical,
Care
and
now
Memorial
Care
is
planning
a
senior
living
facility
which
adds
a
burden
of
250
units
needing
much
higher
Medical
Care
and
right.
The
one
exit
of
the
freeway
Camino
Australia
we
have.
This
will
be
the
fifth
senior
facility.
There
are
two
on
the
west
side,
and
this
is
the
third
one.
On
the
east
side,
this
is
going
to
cause
a
big
strain
on
Emergency
Medical
Services,
that
includes
paramedics
and
delivery
of
care.
C
The
offices
and
the
medical
care,
the
the
proposed
medical
office
of
7
500
square
foot
is
too
small.
It
will
never
replace
the
emergency
care
or
the
quality
or
the
intensity
of
care
provided
in
the
ER
or
any
other
specialty
care
provided
in
the
hospital
and
with
growing
traffic
conditions
on
IFI
our
chance
of
getting
a
care
at
the
hospital
admission.
Hospital
is
getting
more
and
more
distant
and,
in
addition
to
that
mission
is
a
Trauma
Center
where
they
may
be
caught
up
with
bigger
problems
or
bigger
medical,
severe
conditions.
C
A
Stuff,
the
yellow
light
isn't
coming
on
as
a
warning
to
people
is
that,
can
we
get
that
working?
Yes,.
G
A
Fix
that,
thank
you
and
I
might
suggest
to
people
I
apologize,
the
yellow
light
hasn't
been
coming
on,
hopefully
we'll
get
it
working,
but
I
might
suggest
you
set
a
timer
on
your
our
stopwatch
on
your
phone
and
that
way
you
can
kind
of
monitor
it
on
time,
because
we
definitely
hope
that
you
get
to
all
of
your
most
important
points.
H
H
My
92
year
old
grandma
has
lived
here
since
the
1960s
and
for
the
long-standing
members
of
the
community
I
feel
we
need
affordable
houses
for
them
to
maintain
a
part
of
the
community
that
they
help
build
I
think
it's
so
important
to
approve
this
project,
the
benefits
of
their
whole
family,
multiple
Generations,
continuing
to
remain
close
and
experience.
The
joys
together
I
strongly
support
this
project
because
we
can't
afford
to
let
another
family
separate
now's
your
chance
to
act.
Please
vote
to
keep
our
families
together
and
support
this
project.
Q
The
chamber
is
pleased
to
see
the
expansion
of
Memorial
Care
Medical
Services
in
the
city,
with
a
combined
urgent
care
and
Health
Center
provided
on
this
site,
which
will
be
open
to
all
San
Clemente
residents.
This
means
that
residents
will
be
able
to
access,
Physicians,
specialty
care
services
and
wellness
experts
in
a
One-Stop
location.
Excuse
me,
additionally,
Memorial
Care
has
committed
to
a
design
that
we
believe
is
sensitive
to
the
community
and
fits
within
the
architectural
character
of
its
surroundings.
Q
With
new
residents
comes
more
customers
for
our
local
businesses,
including
the
restaurants,
retail
stores
and
medical
offices,
which
are
just
within
a
short
walk
of
this
site.
Further
the
job
opportunities
that
will
be
generated
during
construction,
as
well
as
permanent,
Health
Care
positions
at
the
health
care
center.
Q
C
It's
gonna,
in
my
opinion,
help
resolve
two
needs
of
our
community.
Here,
one
senior
living
and
two
expand
medical
services
for
the
community
as
a
neurologist
I
deal
with
patients
that
have
cognitive
decline
and
there's
numerous
studies
that
have
shown
senior
living
facilities
that
Foster
social
interactions
among
seniors.
It
helps
slow
down
cognitive
decline
and
improve
Mental
Health
I
refer
patients
all
the
time
to
Specialists.
We
have
a
lack
of
specialists
in
San
Clemente.
C
Many
of
my
patients
and
the
seniors
in
this
community
have
a
difficult
time
driving
getting
on
the
freeway
going
to
Mission
Viejo.
This
will
offer
other
opportunities
as
for
those
patients,
so
they
don't
have
to
actually
leave
the
city
to
obtain
some
of
those
Services.
The
Urgent
Care
I
think
will
also
be
a
added
benefit.
We
all
know
the
wait
times
that
many
urgent
cares.
Oftentimes
patients
will
leave
because
the
wait
times
are
too
long,
and
this
will
also
help
the
the
need
of
the
seniors
in
this
community.
B
Okay,
just
started
members,
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
City
staff
and
guests.
My
name
is
Richard
Palace
and
I'm.
A
resident
of
San,
Clemente,
I
and
I
believe
that
most
of
the
residents
in
San
Clemente
support
the
addition
of
senior
housing
in
our
community.
However,
I
do
not
support
this
project
in
its
present
form.
I'll
try
to
communicate
some
of
my
concerns.
B
They
include
Community
safety,
size
density
parking
and
a
number
of
requested
concessions
and
variances
that
are
not
in
the
public
interest
of
our
Spanish
Village
By,
the
Sea
now
I'm
going
to
jump
so
I
don't
have
to
get
the
hook
good.
The
elephant
in
a
room
is,
is
what
not
is
mentioned
in
the
Tia
the
traffic
analysis.
This
should
also
be
a
big
concern
for
the
community
safety
and
I'm
surprised
that
it
wasn't
studied
or
mentioned
it's.
B
The
Orange
County
Fire
Authority
station
number
50,
which
is
very
close
by
that
fire
station
serves
nearby
San,
Clemente
Villas
and
the
many
other
senior
living
facilities
on
Estella
Estrella
side
of
the
freeway.
It's
important
to
note
that
EMTs
now
have
to
transport
critical
Posay
patients
to
either
Mission
Viejo
or
Laguna
Beach
hospitals,
more
delays
due
to
traffic
increase
congestion
and
unacceptable
will
be
an
unacceptable
and
potentially
lethal
I
believe
this
issue
requires
additional
and
extensive
safety
analysis
by
our
city
traffic
engineer.
B
B
Speaking
of
jaywalking
residents
will
probably
Tire
of
eating
at
The
Habit
in
the
restaurants
in
the
Ralphs
and
Stater
Brothers
centers.
They
will
also
walk
to
Blue
Moon
Sushi,
Fratellos
nellos
and
the
others
across
marshmallows,
Las,
meros.
Imagine
seniors
walking
home
after
a
dinner
or
dark
after
a
few
shots
of
sake
or
bottles
of
wine.
On
on
that
busy
and
fast
moving
Street
award
recipe
for
disaster.
B
The
traffic
announce
depict.
Analysis
also
mentions
the
city's
plan
to
add
bike
Lanes
to
that
section
of
last
Marius.
How
do
you
think
that's
going
to
work
out?
In
addition,
I'm
also
requesting
story
polls
to
be
installed
for
the
project
for
for
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
community.
To
also
see
this
will
confirm
simulations
again
trust
but
verify
who
therefore
I
respectfully
request
that
you
do
not
approve
this
overbuilt
project.
B
P
Good
evening,
members
of
the
excuse
me,
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
staff
and
guest
I'm
here
tonight
to
urge
you
to
approve
the
654
Camino
de
los
Morris
Master
project.
Additional
senior
housing
is
very
much
needed.
I
understand
that
62
percent
of
our
elderly
renters
are
lower
income.
If
you
approve
the
full
250
units,
Memorial
will
provide
eight
percent
of
these
units
as
very
low
income.
P
You
know
we
need
282,
that
that
seems
to
be
the
hardest
one
that
that,
in
in
projects
Memorial
is
responding
to
the
community
needs
I'm,
very
supportive
of
Memorial,
Care,
Project
and
I
hope
you
will
I
hope
you
will
approve
the
project
for
the
full
250
units
and
eight
very
low-income
senior
housing.
It
is
much
needed.
Thank
you
very
much.
R
Dr
Lawrence
Chang
I've
been
in
the
community
for
about
24
years,
serving
the
senior
population
I'm
a
geriatrician
and
full
disclosure
I'm
not
employed
by
Memorial,
Care
and
I
didn't
receive
a
gas
card.
R
So
I
just
have
three
quick
points
for
three
minutes.
The
first
point
is
I
agree
with
the
commission
that
my
office
is
right
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
site
from
the
hospital
former
hospital.
It's
a
665
Camino
de
los
Morris
I'm
on
the
third
floor.
So
just
being
here
for
the
past
24
years,
the
parking
and
the
traffic
is
horrible.
I
mean
it's
not
safe
in
our
building.
It's
not
safe
in
the
next
building.
It's
not
safe
in
The
Villas
I.
R
Just
can't
imagine
Google
Earth
predicting
how
the
traffic
is
going
to
be
so
I
agree
with
the
commission
that
the
traffic
is
a
huge
issue.
My
second
point
is
I'm.
On
the
third
floor
of
that
building
and
their
Architects
didn't
realize
this,
but
my
patio,
my
my
patients,
get
to
appreciate
a
panoramic
panoramic
ocean
view
from
my
patio.
R
So
they're
gonna
miss
that
if
this
thing
goes
up
so
I
mean
that's
a
little
selfish
thing
for
my
patients,
but
I
I
think
just
want
to
point
that
out
in
the
665
building
they
should
do
the
Google
Earth
and
see
what
it
looks
like,
but
I
won't
have
my
Ocean
View
anymore.
My
third
point
is
in
2016,
when
World
care
had
the
opportunity
to
take
care
of
my
patients
by
keeping
in
a
hospital
in
emergency
room
room
open.
Instead,
they
decided
to
close
it
and
it
had
a
huge
impact.
R
I,
don't
know
how
many
of
my
patients
have
died
or
couldn't
make
it
to
the
ER
in
time
because
of
the
memorial
care,
I
mean
I'm
just
telling
the
truth
here.
I
hope
their
goal
is
to
really
take
care
of
seniors
and
not
just
look
after
the
prophet.
So
the
whole
point
of
closing
the
hospital
is
because
it
wasn't
profitable
but
I
hope
they're
doing
this
really
for
seniors
not
to
just
make
a
profit.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
and
I
agree
with
the
people
in
the
sea.
Point
Estates
they
have
a
concern.
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
Robert
Henry
and
I'm
here
to
read
a
public
comment
for
Kathy
estefani
who
cannot
attend
tonight's
meeting.
These
are
our
words
hello.
My
name
is
Cassie
estefani
I
come
before
you
tonight
wearing
two
hats:
I
am
the
chair
of
the
sand
committee,
affordable,
housing,
Coalition
and
I'm.
Also,
a
senior
retiree
who
lives
in
San
Clemente,
my
husband
and
I,
bought
our
North
Beach
home
way
back
in
1986.
K
speaking
is
both
a
housing
Advocate
and
a
local
senior
I
am
thrilled
that
Memorial
Care
has
agreed
to
increase
the
percentage
of
affordable
units
in
its
senior
housing
project
to
eight
eight
percent
of
very
low
income.
This
is
a
hugely
significant
win
for
the
senior
community
and
sand
committee.
As
I'm
sure
you
know,
62
percent
of
the
city's
elderly
Winters
are
low
income.
K
They
desperately
need
affordable
housing,
but
our
city
has
very
little
to
offer
that
will
now
change
with
this
decision
by
Memorial
Care
to
increase
significantly
the
percentage
of
affordable
units
in
its
senior
project.
20,
very
low
income
seniors
will
now
will
be
able
to
retain
remain
in
our
wonderful
community
and
homes.
K
They
can't
afford
seniors
will
not
have
to
move
away
from
the
city
where
they
raise
their
kids
and
where
they'll
live
their
lives,
because
Rising
rents
have
outpaced
their
social
security
income
or
their
monthly
pension
check
and
agreeing
to
increase
the
number
of
affordable
units
to
eight
percent.
Memorial
Care
has
chosen
to
put
the
needs
of
our
seniors
above
its
own
desires
or
profits.
This
Choice
demonstrates
Memorial.
Care
is
staying
true
to
its
Mission,
which
is
to
improve
the
health
and
well-being
of
individuals,
families
and
our
communities.
K
Memorial
Care
recognizes
that
each
patient's
health
is
tied
intricately
to
that
patient's
housing,
Memorial
care.
Doctors
know
that
if
a
patient
is
housing,
insecure
or
God
forbid
becomes
homeless,
serious
health
consequences
follow
by
including
more
very
low
income
housing
in
a
senior
housing
development.
Memorial
Care
will
help
protect
many
of
San
Clemente's,
economically
vulnerable
seniors
from
both
housing,
insecurity
and
homelessness.
K
We
congratulate
Memorial
Care
on
its
generous
decision
to
provide
more
affordable
housing
than
it
is
legally
obligated
to
We
Believe
Memorial
Care
senior
housing
project
will
be
a
valuable
addition
to
our
community,
improving
health
and
well-being
of
San
Clemente's,
very
low
income
seniors
by
creating
more
housing
than
it
is
Affordable
them
on.
Perhaps
San
Clemente,
affordable
housing.
Coalition
I
urge
a
Planning
Commission
to
approve
the
development
plans,
as
proposed
with
250
total
units.
20
of
them
now
made
affordable
to
very
low
income
seniors.
Thank
you.
S
I'm.
Sorry,
okay,
I
have
special
interest
in
this
property
because
both
of
my
kids
were
born
there
and
I'm
just
kidding
I
understand
that
Memorial
Care
is
planning
to
give
the
city
much
needed
housing
every
bit
of
rental
housing,
I'm
meant
to
give
the
city
much
needed
housing
every
bit
of
rental
housing
mentally
helps
the
community
and
they're,
including
even
more
affordable
housing
than
is
required,
I
want
to
say
Bravo,
Memorial,
Care
and
speaking
in
advance
for
some
of
the
folks
who
will
benefit
from
this
housing.
S
Thank
you,
nonetheless,
as
an
advocate
for
people
who
are
homeless,
I,
consider
my
job
to
sometimes
be
that
of
an
idealist,
so
I
still
have
an
ask
for
the
Planning
Commission.
Let
me
start
with
some
brief
stories.
I
worked
recently
with
one
woman
who
was
a
renter
and
worked
and
raised
her
family
in
the
same
home
for
20
years
when
she
became
disabled
her
a
few
years
ago.
S
Our
senior
center
here
in
town
reports
that
up
to
there
are
up
to
20
seniors
living
in
their
cars
in
San
Clemente,
and
we
know
that
there
are
many
more
than
that
who
fly
under
the
radar,
just
like
a
senior
veteran
that
we're
helping
who
has
a
housing
assistance
voucher
from
the
VA
but
still
needs
housing.
That
is
Affordable
he's
on
the
street
now
looking
for
somewhere,
affordable
where
he
can
use
his
voucher
about
six
months
ago,
I
was
able
to
help
a
senior
gentleman
who
was
unhoused
in
San
Clemente
get
into
housing.
S
S
Well,
it
took
over
two
years
through
no
fault
of
his
own,
and
he
was
only
able
to
get
into
housing
because
he
had
an
emergency
housing
voucher
from
covid
funding
and
because
I
had
applied
him
to
an
affordable
housing
complex
in
San
Juan
two
years
ago,
another
gentleman
I
worked
with
also
had
an
emergency
housing
voucher,
but
because
there's
not
sufficient,
affordable
housing
and
I
mean
in
the
whole
County.
It's
not
just
here.
S
He
never
found
a
place
to
rent,
and
instead
he
died
on
the
street
here
in
town
with
a
voucher
in
his
hand,
not
literally
housing
and
affordable
housing
is
the
difference
between
life
and
death.
For
many,
there
are
others
all
over
South
County,
who
have
these
vouchers,
I
spoke
of,
who
can't
find
housing
seniors,
are
the
fastest
going
growing
demographic
experiencing
homelessness,
but
affordable
housing,
as
you
know,
obviously
is
not
just
for
homeless
people.
In
fact,
it's
likely
that
more
people
would
be
helped
from
ever
becoming
homeless
than
would
be
lifted.
S
M
My
name
is
amiana
Quintanilla
I'm,
a
resident
of
San
Clemente
of
over
50
years
I'm,
a
retired,
registered
nurse
and
I
strongly
oppose
this
Memorial
Care
senior
residential
development
due
to
the
height
requirement
that
exceeds
the
heart
requirement
and
it
should
be
at
a
three-story
limit.
However,
I'm
very
concerned
about
this,
because
I
participated
in
the
hospital
stay,
Roundtable
and
I
sat
with
Dr
Schaefer,
and
regarding
that
we
didn't
need
that
they
he
had
mentioned
that
we
really
didn't
need
a
hospital,
so
I
feel
like
we
were
duped.
M
We
were
led
to
believe
that
we
didn't
they
Memorial
Care
didn't
need
to
have
a
hospital.
You
know
one
of
the
residents
just
spoke
and
previously
and
said
that
Memorial
Care
invested
in
the
communities
they
serve.
That
is
not
true.
They
should
have
done
more
to
preserve
saint
Community,
Hospital
Memorial
cares
and
community
hospital,
and
they
did
not.
M
You
know
I
feel
like
I'm
out
of
planning
at
a
TCA,
Transportation
Corridor
agency
meeting,
because
a
couple
of
things
people
that
spoke
there
in
support
of
toll
roads
were
the
Orange
County,
Business,
Council
or
the
or
the
one
of
the
sorry
yeah.
It
was
sorry,
I
lost
my
train
of
thought,
but
also
NASA.
M
Men
attorneys,
which
is
the
TCA
attorneys,
are
here
so
I'm
very
concerned
what
is
happening
because
I
feel
like
we
were
under
the
we
were
misrepresented,
that
we
didn't
need
a
hospital
and,
of
course,
I
think
we
do.
A
couple
of
doctors
spoke
and
I
agree
with
them
and
agree
with
CD
points
Estates
with
their
petition.
There's
100
people
that
have
signed
so
far
and
we're
going
to
get
the
word
out.
I
strongly
oppose
this.
M
I
do
not
want
this
to
go
further.
Please
do
not
approve
this
development.
I
really
appreciate
all
your
help.
Thank
you.
A
B
B
First
of
all,
I
sent
my
my
comments
via
email
and
I.
Appreciate
you
addressing
a
lot
of
those,
so
I
won't
believe
for
some
of
those
points.
I
particularly
want
to
thank
commissioner
Prescott
for
starting
the
the
conversation
on
the
the
density
in
terms
of
the
low-income
housing
units.
B
I
also
want
to
thank
Memorial
care
for
for
for
raising
the
proposal
to
eight
percent,
but
but
I'd
also
still
like
to
point
out
that,
during
the
conversation
on
the
density
Memorial,
the
representatives
from
Memorial
Care
kind
of
spoke
in
hypotheticals
on
how
increasing
the
density
would
affect
their
bottom
line,
which
to
me
shows
one
or
two
things:
either
they
just
don't
have
the
numbers
on
them
or
they
haven't
done
the
homework,
and
the
city
has
I'll
point
to
another
of
the
the
studies
that
one
of
the
other
speakers
talked
to
in
the
EPS
report.
B
2021
stating
that
residential
rental
projects
with
15
lower
income
housing
can
still
produce
a
profit
for
a
developer.
The
way
I
see
it.
The
cities
put
their
money
where
the
mouth
is.
It
can
show
that
you
can
do
it
do
this
at
15.
I
would
encourage
you
to
start
at
15
and
negotiate
from
there
not
from
five
up,
and
you
know
have
them
show
to
prove
to
you
that
hey.
B
Why
can't
you
do
15
and
then
take
into
a
consideration
the
comments
and
concerns
of
the
citizens
and
the
implications
that
may
have
at
15
before
before
settling
on
on
18
or
on
eight
excuse
me
and
just
to
keep
in
mind
that,
like
so
many
other
speakers
have
said,
you
know,
this
has
tangible
and
real
real
effects
for
some
of
the
the
most
hard,
the
citizens
of
of
our
of
our
communities,
who
are
the
most
vulnerable
so
before
the
ink
is
dry
and
the
hands
are
shaped,
the
teaser,
teaser
cross
and
the
eyes
are
dotted,
make
sure
you're
doing
the
most
you
can
for
the
most
vulnerable.
H
H
H
That
is
going
to
really
really
clog
the
off
ramps,
both
on
I-5
North
and
I-5
South.
That's
what
I'm
here
to
say-
and
the
next
thing
I
was
going
to
say,
was
whatever
happened
to
our
water
shortage
or
Paul
blackouts,
and
here
we
are
approving
260
unit
building,
in
spite
of
the
water
shortage
and
the
power
blackouts.
That's
something
which
is
incomprehensible
to
me.
I
do
not
support
it
in
this
present
environment.
H
For
the
simple
reason,
somebody
needs
to
do
a
traffic
study
to
see
how
much
traffic
is
there
going
to
be
in
that
area
for
people
who
want
to
support
it.
Yes,
I
I
enjoyed
listening
to
you
guys,
but
have
you
lived
in
that
area?
That's
what
I'm
asking
since,
when
did
the
city
of
San
Clemente,
a
Spanish
village
by
the
Sea,
become
a
concrete
jungle
by
the
Sea
thanks.
H
Hello
good
evening,
members
of
the
committee,
my
name,
is
Dr
Michael
Gleason
I
also
serve
the
members
of
our
community.
I've
been
a
San
Clemente
resident
for
over
20
years.
I
do
live
in
seapoint
Estates,
so
I
do
have
a
an
interest
to
represent
that
Community
as
well.
I've
been
visiting
San
Clemente
since
the
70s
he
used
to
come
here,
I'm
from
Los
Angeles.
Originally
my
family
used
to
come
here
on
vacation
and
I
always
had
such
a
wonderful.
H
You
know
impression
of
this
area
and
always
had
you
know:
dream
wanted
one
day
to
live
here
and
that
my
dream
came
true
20
years
ago,
when
I
was
able
to,
you
know,
buy
a
house
here
in
South
San
Clemente
and
have
really
seen
the
the
community
changed
so
much
in
just
that
past.
You
know
40
50
years
and
in
some
ways
change
is
a
good
thing,
but
I
think
that
you
know
too
much.
Change
can
really
affect
the
soul
and
and
the
impression
that
you
know
the
city
leaves
on
people
Winola,
Hanson,
envisioned.
H
You
know
the
Spanish
Village
By,
the
Sea
in
1925
I
think
he
had
a
very
different
idea
of
how
things
would
turn
out
and
I
think
if
he
could
see
what
it's
become
now
I,
don't
think
it
would
recognize
it
even
just
you
know,
you
drive
to
certain
areas
haven't
been
in
in
a
few
years
and
you
can
can't
recognize
how
much
everything
has
been.
You
know
overdeveloped,
you
know.
H
If
you
look
at
the
definition
of
a
village,
it's
a
small
community
in
a
rural
area
and
by
no
means
are
we
at
a
Village
By,
the
Sea
any
longer,
but
you
know
change
you
know
has
to
happen
and
we
do
support.
You
know
redeveloping
this,
this
area
across
the
street
because
it
you
know
I,
can't
sit
vacant
forever,
but
we
do
have
our
objections
to
the
height
and
density
and
living
at
three
Marbella.
I
can
tell
you
that
my
view
personally
is
is
greatly
impacted.
H
I
have
a
beautiful
view
right
now
of
San
Clemente
Island
out
of
my
kitchen,
and
the
view
simulation
was
accurate
in
showing
that
that
view
would
be
gone,
and
you
know
I
think
that
they
said
four
residences
are
affected.
H
I
would
say
that
at
least
20
or
30
residences
are
going
to
be
affected
by
a
view,
and
there
should
be
story
polls
of
other
members
of
stead,
but
overall
I
just
feel
that
this
approval
is
going
too
quickly
and
I
I
do
agree
with
summary
development,
but
with
more
careful
consideration
by
the
committee.
Thank
you.
K
Good
evening,
Mr,
chairman
and
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
this
time
and
this
discussion.
My
name
is
Dave
Simpson
I'm,
director
of
government
Affairs
for
Cox
Communications.
We
provide
broadband
service
for
the
residents
and
businesses
of
San
Clemente,
but
more
than
that
we
are
part
of
the
community.
We
invest
in
your
chamber.
We
invest
in
boys
and
girls,
club
Pure,
pride
and
other
organizations.
K
We
are
in
the
communities
we
serve
and
we
believe
and
I
know
that's
just
like
Memorial
Care
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
Your
Service,
as
planning
Commissioners
I
happen
to
be
a
planning,
commissioner,
in
the
city
of
Orange,
and
and
appreciate
the
discussion.
You're
having
I
must
say,
have
having
a
senior
project
come
before
a
housing
project
come
before
a
Planning.
K
Commission
is
always
to
me
a
very
great
opportunity,
as
was
mentioned
earlier
by
our
friends
from
Orange
County
Business
Council,
that
segment
of
our
society,
the
the
Aging
folks,
are
the
only
growing
part
of
our
our
our
population.
On
the
pandemic
put
a
spotlight
on
the
need
for
Quality
internet
services.
It
became
it
turned
a
nice
to
have
into
a
need
to
have
and
where
I'm
going
with.
This
is
the
issue
of
Telehealth.
K
If
you
ask
anyone
from
Memorial,
Care
or
any
other
health
care
provider,
they're
going
to
have
a
lot
to
say
about
the
future
of
Telehealth
and
what
that
will
mean
to
our
communities,
including
here
in
San
Clemente,
digital
literacy
is
another
issue
and
Cox
and
others
would
be
pleased
to
get
in
with
seniors
to
help
them
access
the
internet.
That's
a
an
area.
We
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
in
in
the
space
we
like
to
work
in
finally,
I'd
like
to
say
that
delay
is
no
friend
of
cost
escalation.
K
You
know
this
and
I
believe
that
parcel
has
been
vacant
for
maybe
four
to
six
years,
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
but
a
very
long
time.
So
thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
I
encourage
your
support.
K
I
generally
think
the
project
there's
a
good
project
to
be
had
here,
but
it
is
a
big
project
on
a
tight
site
and
the
applicant
talked
about
the
size
of
the
project
could
be
even
bigger
by
right,
but
that
presupposes
that
the
general
plan
Amendment
and
the
zone
change
have
been
approved
already
and
that
the
parcel
map
has
been
approved
to
subdivide
the
property,
and
so
then
your
buy
right
have
to
give
these
concessions
on
what
is
now
the
senior
residential
parcel.
So
it's
a
little
bit
getting
the
car
before
the
horse.
K
Having
said
that,
I
think
the
site
supports
a
big
project,
and
you
know,
with
the
caveat
that
you
know
the
residents
that
live
near
there.
They
have
legitimate
concerns
about
departures
from
objective
standards
that
will
impact
their
views.
Just
the
nature
of
the
project.
How
much
is
being
proposed
is
creating
some
constraints
that
I
I
feel
like
there's
some
minor
work.
At
least
that
needs
to
be
done
to
make
the
project
better
and
I'll
just
hit
a
couple.
Quick
things.
K
One
thing
just
to
comment
and
keep
in
mind
is
that
one
of
the
X's
is
a
right
turn
only
such
that
those
seniors
are
going
to
have
to
dash
across
three
lanes
to
get
to
the
left
turn
lane
to
make
the
U-turn
that's.
You
know
just
tells
you
the
type
of
constraint
and
then
the
other
entrance
has
a
lot
of
things
going
on,
including
that
medical
office,
but
I'll
just
hit
three
things
with
the
time.
I
have
and
I'll
get
yanked.
K
When
the
time's
up
on
parking,
the
shared
parking
again,
I
I
sent
some
comments
by
email,
the
it's
the
medical
office
that
site
that
doesn't
have
the
full
number
of
parking
spaces.
I
think
it
has
22
spaces
on
its
site,
and
so
it
requires
that
shared
parking
now
I
stand
corrected.
Lsa
did
look
at
shared
use
during
the
daytime;
they
didn't
just
base
it
on
the
overall
demand
for
the
project.
You
know
seniors
and
medical
combined.
They
did
do
a
shared
use
of
the
visitor.
K
The
guest
in
the
medical
office,
but
I
have
to
tell
you
that
I
would
like
to
see
their
work
when
they
say
that
between
2
and
3
pm
on
a
weekday,
there's
only
10
spaces
being
used
in
the
guest
for
the
250
senior
housing
and
all
38
of
the
medical
office,
spaces
are
being
used.
So
at
that
point,
they're
saying
there's
only
48
spaces
being
used,
but
in
fact
you
know
that's
presupposing
that
only
10
spaces
are
being
used
by
guests
or
visitors
to
a
250
unit,
senior
housing
project.
K
I
I'd
like
to
see
that
work
second
comment:
I
have
is
on
the
usable,
open
space
and
again
it's
a
big
project.
It's
a
tight
site,
but
some
of
the
open
space
that
they're
taking
credit
for
are
the
corners.
You
know
where
the
monument
signs
are
and
corner
where
there's
a
tree
and
some
Landscaping,
you
know
so,
with
all
due
respect,
there's
some
good
quality
spaces.
I
would.
C
It's
always
tough
to
follow.
Mark
he's
so
eloquent,
but
I'll
try.
My
name
is
Larry
Culbertson
San
Clemente
resident
for
15
years.
I
support
the
idea
of
senior
housing
at
the
site,
but
I
do
not
support
this
project.
The
proposed
project
is
not
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
It's
too
massive
and
the
proposed
architecture
is
not
consistent
with
the
design
review
guidelines.
C
The
design
guidelines
I
had
a
Spiel
here
on
the
comments
on
the
density,
bonus
and
the
waivers,
but
I
think
that's
been
pretty
well
covered,
I'm,
not
sure.
If
we're
going
to
even
get
anywhere
with
that
so
I'd
like
to
move
on
to
the
architecture,
the
design
review
subcommittee
was
set
up
to
preview
projects
and
make
recommendations
to
improve
their
quality
before
they
came
before
you.
C
The
project
was,
was
sent
to
drsc
three
times
and
was
given
many
recommendations,
some
of
which
were
followed.
Some
were
not.
The
drsc
was
not
supportive,
I
hope.
All
of
you
had
a
chance
to
listen
to
the
the
three
drsc
meetings.
I'm
saddened
to
see
that
the
two
of
the
Commissioners
who
were
on
that
commissioner
camp
in
cosgro
overnight
here
tonight.
C
That's
unfortunate
with
respect
to
the
density.
The
project
would
have
a
floor
area
ratio
of
0.89
that
would
yield
2
300
to
231
000
square
feet.
The
existing
standard
of
0.5
would
allow
only
143
000..
This
is
the
reason
that
they
need
that
large
fourth
story
drsc
tried
hard
to
convince
convince
them
to
reduce
the
density,
to
eliminate
the
need
for
the
fourth
story.
There
were
comments
like
there
is
no
justification
for
a
fourth
floor
and
too
much
building
for
the
site,
and
it
cannot
meet
the
guidelines.
All
of
those
comments
fell
on
deaf
ears.
C
If
the
applicant
was
willing
to
reduce
the
density
a
little,
it
would
allow
for
a
little
setback
on
that
third
story.
That
would
reduce
the
massive
appearance
of
the
building,
but
they
are
unwilling
to
decrease
the
size
of
the
project.
The
fenestration,
the
arrangement
of
doors
and
windows
is
horrible.
C
There
has
to
be
more
variation
in
size,
shape
position.
Maybe
some
iron
grills
drsc
tried
to
talk
them
into
that,
but
didn't
get
anywhere.
As
far
as
I
could
see.
The
Stacked
rows
of
identical
Windows
is
just
not
what
Ole
Hanson
envisioned
for
his
Spanish
Vision
By,
the
Sea.
Please
deny
this
project.
Thank
you.
A
L
Thank
you
Planning
Commission
and
council
members
I.
My
name
is
Jimmy
Joe
and
I
work
in
the
city
and
my
partner
actually
lives
in
the
city
and
he
couldn't
make
it
because
he
got
sick,
otherwise,
he'd
be
here,
Michael
Flanders,
he
lives
in
the
city
and
he
actually
I
was
going
to
speak
on
mine
and
he
was
going
to
speak
on
his
but
I'm
going
to
try
to
use
the
three
minutes
to
go
over
what
he
wrote
to
me.
L
He
said
proposal
looks
to
construct
7500
adjacent
living
facility
for
a
modern,
Health,
Care
Center
that
will
include
Urgent,
Care
primary
physicians,
specialty
physician.
That
would
solve
a
lot
of
problems
for
the
city
of
San
Clemente
San
Clemente,
with
the
state
mandated
housing
requirements
under
the
state.
Regional
Housing
needs
assessments
to
enhance
quality
and
life
in
Sacramento.
It
will
help
250
seniors
remain
in
San
Clemente
and
he
says
he
says
the
word
remain
because
we
see
too
many
people
move
out
of
here
because
they
get
too
old.
There's
no
place
to
go.
L
They
don't
want
to
go
to
nursing
homes.
They
want
to
go
to
a
place
of
building
a
home
that
is
constructed
for
seniors,
to
be
able
to
stay
and
not
have
to
move
into
a
nursing
home
or
not
have
to
move
out
of
the
area.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
he
says
it
remains,
including
a
very
low
low
income,
senior
modern
health
facility,
pedestrian
friendly
environment,
get
rid
of
the
current
abandoned
eyesore.
L
That's
currently
the
Aging
hospital
he's
talking
about
best
interest
of
the
community,
to
make
it
easier
for
seniors
to
access
care
and
for
Physicians
to
coordinate
care.
The
new
senior
village
checks,
the
boxes
for
senior
well-being
and
Longevity,
and
that's
key
to
stay
here
right.
Many
patients
would
benefit
from
nearby
access
to
doctors
as
well.
Social
environment
with
other
seniors.
Well-Designed
mixed-use
environment
would
provide
crime
prevention
through
design
lighting
and
so
forth,
and
so
on,
stop
there
for
a
second,
because
I
want
to
share
my
story.
L
I
have
a
client
who
decided
that
she
needed
to
move
out
of
her
beautiful
house.
She
loved
her
house,
of
course,
but
she
was
getting
too
old.
She
needed
to
move
out,
but
she
didn't
want
to
go
to
a
nursing
home.
Who
does
right,
so
she
wanted
to
move
to
a
house
that
assisted
a
whole,
a
housing
where
she
could
be
assisted
as
a
senior
she's
old
I
get
it.
We
all
get
old
and
my
parents
are
really
old.
I
know
the
feeling
and
she
decided
that
she
needed
to
move
when
she
looked.
L
There
was
nothing
here
in
the
city,
so
she
had
to
move
to
Irvine.
She
looked
at
Laguna
Woods
as
a
possibility
as
well.
She
didn't
like
there.
He
said
it
was
too
crowded
she's
used
to
the
space
right,
so
she
didn't
like
that.
But
so
she
ended
up
moving
to
Irvine,
where
there
is
a
nearby
doctor
in
nearby
I
know
we're
getting
a
lot
more
urgent
cares.
L
A
M
M
That
means
some
people
can't
live
here,
but
we
still
will
have
250
or
we
will
have
maybe
200
or
180
units.
We
can
ask
the
developer.
Can
you
make
those
into
your
eight
percent?
Can
we
have
20,
affordable
housing
for
those
by
having
less
units
I'm
asking
you
to
blend
both
sides
of
what
you
heard
tonight?
My
husband
was
a
planning
commissioner
for
many
many
years
and
I
asked
him.
What
was
your
job?
What
do
you
real?
What
did
you
really
do
and
he
told
me
two
things
he
said
you
are
responsible.
M
We
were
responsible
for
safety
and
for
meeting
Community
needs.
So
if
you
can
take
all
of
the
safety
issues
that
you
heard
this
evening
and
also
meet
the
community
needs
and
blend
it
together,
where
you
can
satisfy
most
of
everybody
in
this
room
because
I
don't
believe
it's
going
to
work.
Well,
if
you
just
do
one
and
nothing
for
the
other,
it
has
to
be
a
blend,
because
you
are
safety
and
meeting
the
community
needs.
Thank
you.
A
K
Good
evening,
Frank
Zappa
Via
San
clementarez
for
the
resident
for
the
last
15
years
just
want
to
make
it
short
and
sweet
I.
Think
some
of
you
had
concerns
about
parking
parking
will
be
an
issue
tomorrow,
I'm
going
to
see
my
mom
in
L.A,
she
lives
in
a
senior
living
I.
Just
don't
know
where
I'm
gonna
park
my
car
tomorrow,
because
they
have
the
exact
same
issue
that
you
guys
are
concerned
and
I
noticed.
Some
of
you
were
asking
about
parking,
so
they
have
all
these
parking
spaces.
Some
of
these
residents
are
getting
smart.
K
They
use
the
guest
parking
Park
their
cars
over
there,
although
they
have
a
sign
Park
in
the
spaces,
save
their
spots
for
their
caretakers
kids
coming
over
and
all
that
and
and
then
blocking
guest
parking.
So
definitely
with
the
number
of
units
that
they
have
in
their
plan.
It's
going
to
be
an
issue.
That's
number
one
I'm,
not
against
Senior
Living
I'm,
all
for
it,
but
they're.
Definitely
parking
will
be
an
issue.
K
I
think
second
thing:
if
they
can
reduce
the
height
to
three-story,
building
I
think
everybody
is
going
to
be
happy
and
that
should
not
be
an
issue
and
and
as
far
as
the
presentation
goes,
the
demonstration
that
they
did,
that
Google
Map,
and
all
that
the
angle
of
that
view
that
the
views
are
not
affected
and
all
that
that
was
totally
wrong,
which
is
why
they're
not
doing
the
sticks,
pole,
sticks
and
I
hope
you
guys
are
not
rushing
to
make
a
decision
right
away.
K
A
A
Seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
open
it
up
for
commissioner
discussion.
D
E
R
R
So
when
we
do
look
at
the
level
of
service
and
the
impact
to
the
streets,
we
did
see
no
changes
in
the
level
of
service
and
we
were
okay
with
the
right
turn
right
out.
We
specifically
asked
to
address
the
weaving
of
them,
getting
it
out
of
that
right
turn
to
get
over
to
that
signal.
One
thing
with
the
benefits
that
is
the
actual
signals
to
the
West
help
create
a
buffer
to
where
there
should
be
some
breaks
in
traffic.
That
will
help
that
weaving,
and
so
some
of
the
situation
is.
E
E
I
think
I'm
I'm
going
to
start
with
walking
through
the
approvals
we've
got
to
make
and
the
first
one
being
a
general
plan.
Amendment
and
I
know
Mark
McGuire
kind
of
mentioned
that
that
was
something
that
isn't
a
sure
thing,
but
we're
only
being
asked
on
the
general
plan
amendment
to
approve
it
for
the
cc4
zone.
E
For
that
change.
It's
not
job
specific.
It's
just
a
rezoning
of
a
lot,
that's
kind
of
a
spot,
Zone,
it's
surrounded
by
cc4
in
the
conditions.
Excuse
me
in
the
resolution
I
think
we
got
a
little
carried
away
with
the
findings
that
we
had
to
make
for
that.
The
only
things
we
I'm
aware
of
Jennifer
that
we
have
to
make
are.
The
proposed
amendment
is
consistent
with
the
well
that's
General
Point.
Let's
go
over
here
required
findings.
E
The
proposed
amendment
is
internally
consistent
with
the
portions
of
the
general
plan,
which
are
not
being
amended,
and
the
proposed
amendment
will
not
adversely
affect
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare
I
believe
those
are
the
only
two
that
are
required
by
our
ordinance.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
E
We
have
some
other
ones
in
here.
That
kind
of
complicate
the
approval,
but
I
can
support
the
General
plan
Amendment
with
the
basic
conditions
of
the
findings
that
we
have
to
do.
E
The
next
one
is
the
zoning
Amendment,
which
is
dovetailed
in
with
the
general
plan
Amendment
and
I'm
the
same
on
that
that
it's
not
specific
for
this
project.
It's
making
the
zoning
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and
the
neighborhood
and
the
required
findings
for
the
zoning
Amendment
are.
E
E
Oh
that's
a
residential
district
overlay
which
doesn't
apply
here
so
I
could
also
support
the
zoning
Amendment.
The
tentative
parcel
Maps
the
same
way.
It's
just
a
lot
split,
very
simple
and
straightforward:
it's
not
necessarily
this
application
specific.
E
As
long
as
the
lot
split
is
consistent
with
the
Zone
in
size
and
whatnot,
it's
not
saying
that
the
commercial
job
is
designed
and
meets
all
requirements
or
the
residential.
It's
just
saying
it
meets
the
zone.
So
the
findings
for
that
I
think
can
also
be
made.
E
Cup
gets
a
little
more
complicated
that
gives
the
right
to
the
applicant
and
this
specific
project,
the
site
plan,
approval
and
the
architectural
permit
are
the
two.
Next
two
I
want
to
talk
about
site
plan
and
Architectural
permit
went
through
design
review
three
times
we
worked
with
the
applicant,
and
we
made
recommendations
that
in
our
Vision
did
not
affect
the
budget
or
the
profitability
of
the
project
and
I
do
want
to
commend
the
project
team.
They
were
very
professional,
did
a
good
job.
E
They
did
what
they
were
asked
to
do.
So
they
were
a
good
choice
by
the
by
the
applicant,
but
I
do
want
to
go
to
one
document.
28-28.
E
Okay,
we
can't
we're
obligated
by
Sacramento
here.
A
lot
of
this
has
been
taken
out
of
our
hands.
It's
no
longer
just
a
local
community
issue.
Sacramento
stepped
in
and
taken
away
a
lot
of
our
options
on
what
we
can
do,
but
for
design
guidelines.
They
did
not
make
a
special
request
to
waive
them
or
a
concession
in
any
other
requests,
and
the
letter
from
Gregory
Sanders,
who
is
memorial,
Affairs
attorney
said
that
we
we
do
not
have
the
power.
Let's
see.
E
Standards
found
in
the
city
of
Union,
okay,
in
addition
to
the
foregoing,
the
city
has
been
informed
by
Saddleback
orally
and
in
writing
that
strict
applications
of
certain
development
standards
found
in
the
city's
Municipal
Code
design,
guidelines
and
elsewhere
would
preclude
the
construction
of
the
senior
housing
portion
of
the
project
and
I
contend
and
feel
very
strongly.
And
so
do
the
other
two
design
review
members
that
what
we
were
asking
for
does
not
change
the
density
it
might
require.
E
Reorienting
some
of
the
units
same
number
of
units
can
stay
to
get
particularly
the
line
on
Los
Mares
to
step
back
per
the
design
guidelines
and
it's
the
most
basic
requirement
of
the
design
guidelines
on
page
14
of
the
city
design
guidelines
for
stepping
back
when
you
have
a
three-story,
the
third
story-
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
whole
thing.
But
we
ran
into
a
stalemate
there
and
I
would
not
be
able
to
make
the
findings
for
the.
E
Architectural
permit,
based
on
that
condition
and
I,
think
there's
more.
That
needs
to
be
looked
at
there
I,
don't
believe
and
Jennifer
correct
me.
If
I'm
not
aware
of
any
mechanism,
we
have
to
keep
them
from
requesting
the
additional
story
or
the
additional
Square
footages,
because
those
do
affect
the
profitability
of
the
project
and
we
are.
E
We
can
only
ask
so
much
of
even
proof
that
there's
an
impact
on
profitability
but
I,
think
this
one
item
is
a
hang
up
for
me
and
it
would
be
difficult
for
me
to
approve
the
architectural
permit
I'm.
Certainly
in
favor
of
the
project.
I
do
have
a
problem
with
the
parking,
but
I
don't
have
a
solution
and
I'll.
Let
it
go
at
that
for
now
and
let
somebody
else
jump
in
and
talk.
Let
me
just
before.
I
turn
this
off
so
General
plan
Amendment
drsc,
and
it
is.
A
F
I
concur
as
to
the
findings.
The
project
does
Target
a
community
need
with
that
said.
I
do
have
some
concerns
about
Community
safety
and
I
would
disagree
with
the
traffic
analysis
and
that
of
the
parking.
But
that
is
not
what
we're
discussing
right
now.
I
would
not
be
able
to
make
a
finding
for
the
architectural
permit
and
I
think
that
the
project
could
still
be
well
within
budget.
If
the
fourth
story
could
be
accommodated
and
reduced,
I,
don't
think
that
they
would
lose
just
having
a
redesign
and
that's
my
opinion.
B
I
think
my
comment
would
be
I
have
a
problem
with
the
tentative
parcel
map
when
it
says
the
site
is
physically
suitable
for
the
proposed
density
of
the
development,
because,
if
you
look
at
that,
the
parcel
map
I
mean
that
only
include
that's
not
sufficient
parking.
They
have
to
have
that
easement
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
conflict
there
between
the
parking
of
the
large
residential
unit
and
the
parking
there
really
would
be
required
for
the
two-story.
B
You
know,
office
building
I
think
it's
kind
of
pushing
it
to
say
that
that
the
site
is
physically
suitable
because
the
site
requires
an
easement
to
have
suitable
parking
that
kind
of
conflicts
with
the
residential,
which
then
leads
to
number
four.
Can
we
really
say
the
design
of
the
subdivision
or
the
type
of
improvements
is
not
likely
to
cause
serious
public
health
problems
that
people
are
you
know
walking
across
the
street
or
making
multiple
passes
through
the
parking
lot
to
find
a
spot.
B
You
know
when
they
got
an
appointment
for
their
doctor,
the
health
or
the
building
I.
Think
that's
my
biggest
and
again,
when
you
go
site
for
the
site
plan.
Permit
again,
B
and
C,
those
are
kind
of
difficult
for
me
to
make
the
site
is
suitable
for
the
type
and
intensity
and
that
to
say
categorically
the
prose
development.
The
proposed
development
will
not
be
detrimental
to
the
public
health
safety,
welfare.
B
So
I'm,
not
under
the
design
review,
but
I
do
take
that
a
little
bit
as
a
friend
that
we
kind
of
asked
them
kindly
to
do
a
couple
things
in
the
sort
of
ignored
it.
I'm,
not
a
member
of
that
board,
but
mine,
but
my
difficulties
would
probably
be
the
tentative
parcel
map
that
that
health
building
should
have
a
larger.
A
A
Any
other
comments:
okay,
I
I-
want
to
get
it
on
the
record
that
I
did
meet
with
the
developer.
I
think
it
was
last
week
they
wanted
to
meet
with
me
to
just
kind
of
go
over
and
go
through
some
of
the
especially
the
view
simulations
and
so
forth,
which
were
available
for
everyone
tonight.
I
appreciate
the
great
public
output
and
comment
input,
I
should
say
that's
gone
on
tonight.
We
rarely
get
this
much
public
input
and
it's
great
that
being
said,
I
think
you
know
people
can
see.
A
There's
there's
both
sides
to
the
arguments.
You
know
some
people
see
it
one
way
and
some
people
see
it
hey.
We
really
need
these
units
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
here
so
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
concerns
of
the
residents.
A
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
tonight
for
everyone's
benefit
tonight
we
are
not
approving
anything.
We
are
recommending.
We
are
making
recommendations
to
city
council
and
and
and
with
our
thoughts
and
our
input
of
what
we
perceive
and
with
that
being
said,
I
think
that
you
know
there
was
some
discussion
at
the
very
beginning
about
what
we
can
or
can't
comment
on,
since
it's
recommendation,
only
I,
I
kind
of
think
it's
fair
game
to
to
you
know
make
whatever
recommendations.
We
want.
That's
my
opinion.
A
Okay,
so
with
all
that
being
said,
here's
I'm
generally
supportive
of
the
project.
I
think
the
project
is
in
general,
I
think
it
fulfills
some
great
needs
that
the
city
has
and
that
when
I
say
the
city,
I
really
mean
the
residents
of
the
city
and
the
people
of
the
city.
The
city
is
nothing
more
than
the
residents
of
it.
A
I,
don't
like
the
parking
I,
don't
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
what
I
mentioned
earlier,
which
is
that
not
all
this
potentially
not
all
the
spaces
will
be
available
to
everybody
that
wants
to
use
the
site
at
any.
Given
time
due
to
reservations,
so
I
would
in
any
proposed
recommendation
that
I
would
want
to
support
it.
A
Because
I
think,
like
the
one
gentleman
said,
hey
people
Park
in
the
guest
parking
and
keep
their
parking
open
and
then
those
Reserve
spaces
are
unavailable
to
whoever
needs
is
coming
and
going
and
needs
to
use
the
site,
whether
it's
employees
or
or
people
visiting
the
medical
office
building
or
so
forth.
So
I'd
love
to
see
a
recommendation
about
maintaining
flexibility
of
the
parking.
That's
there.
We
already
know
it's
tight
to
begin
with,
although
it
does
meet
code,
seemingly
with
the
shared
parking
agreement.
A
As
has
been
mentioned,
there
are
laws
from
the
state
that
have
impact
on
us
and
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
to
say
what
you
can
and
can't
do
once
they
qualify
for
the
density
bonus.
A
So
I
just
want
to
mention
that
again
for
everyone's
benefit.
Regarding
the
view,
corridors
The
View
corridors
were
brought
up.
In
particular,
you
know
out
to
the
ocean.
A
I
would
like
to
see
a
condition
in
the
in
the
exhibits
that
kind
of
main
Center
entrance
Center,
spine,
View,
Corridor
and
you've
got
a
bunch
of
trees
in
it.
I'd
like
to
see
no
more
than
low
shrubs
and
I'd
like
to
I
would
recommend
that
to
council,
because
that's
that's
the
view
corridor.
There's
blue
ocean
behind
it.
Let
people
see
it
I'd
I
would
recommend
a
council
that
they
consider
a
mix
of
income
type
qualifications
for
the
for
the
units
and
I.
A
Don't
think
we
have
enough
information
to
make
any
kind
of
recommendation
other
than
they
they
study
and
consider
very
low
low
and
moderate
income
units
in
that
mix.
I
liked,
commissioner
Crandall.
Your
suggestion
about
keeping
the
medical
office
building
is
medical
I'd
like
to
see
a
condition
about
that
a
recommend,
a
condition
that
that
be
preserved
as
Medical
on
a
go
forward
basis
regarding
the
development
agreement.
I
am
not
supportive
of
the
development
agreement.
I
don't
see
where,
like
I
said
mentioned
earlier.
A
Normally,
the
city
gets
a
significant
quid
pro
quo
in
exchange
for
extending
out
development
rights
for
20
years
two
decades.
I,
don't
see
that
we're
getting
enough
back
for
that,
so
I
personally,
would
be
supportive
of
it's
not
perfect,
but
I.
Think
it's
pretty
darn
good
I'd
be
supportive
of
the
unit
of
the
project.
Subject
to
my
comments,
but
I'm
not
supportive
of
recommending
approval
of
the
development
agreement,
foreign.
E
E
E
D
Yes,
if
I
could
interrupt
you
just
on
that
last
point
that
you
made
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
clear
for
the
commission
that,
because
there's
only
four
members
here,
A
A
unanimous
vote
of
the
four
is
required
to
either
approve
a
an
application
or
deny
an
application.
Anything
else
would
be
considered
a
basically
a
dead
vote
and
either
way
in
any
in
any
of
those
cases.
The
applicant
can
continue
to
move
this
project
forward
to
the
city
council.
If
they
choose,
it
would
be,
staff
would
support.
D
You
know
their
intention
that
they
receive
Commission
of
support
for
the
project
moving
forward,
but
in
order
to
approve
any
of
the
applications.
All
four
members
present
here
today,
okay,.
H
And
just
one
more
procedural
note,
as
the
commission
begins
to
liberate
about
about
what
to
do
with
the
vote,
what
so
every
every
application
is
before
you,
except
for
one
tonight,
and
that
is
the
development
agreement.
So
that's
been
discussed.
It's
part
of
the
package
that
was
not
part
of
the
noticing,
so
it's
going
to
actually
Trail
to
a
subsequent
Planning
Commission
meeting.
It
can't
be
voted
on
tonight
because
it
wasn't,
it
wasn't
part
of
the
noticing.
H
E
Being
an
architect
and
doing
multi-family
projects,
I
was
very
attuned
to
making
sure
every
single
unit
had
private
outdoor
space
and
I'm
a
little
uncomfortable
with
as
many
units
as
they
have
without
private
outdoor
space,
particularly
in
the
environment
that
we've
got
now
with
covid
and
whatnot
and
the
fact
people
may
be
quarantined
to
their
unit
and
have
no
ability
to
go
out
on
their
patio
or
whatever
and
watch
their
plant
grow,
but
I
think
just
for
health
benefits.
It's
a
huge
benefit
if
it
can
be
accomplished
and
I.
E
Think
I
would
really
like
to
be
involved
in
seeing
how
that's
corrected
and
how
the
design
meets
the
design
guidelines,
and
we
have
the
ability
to
make
exceptions
to
the
design.
Guideline.
I
I
think
the
code
says
we
can
give
exceptions
for
exceptional
design
and
instead
of
the
10-foot
setback,
it
might
be
something
less
or
probably
in
this
case
will
be,
or
it
would
probably
start
affecting.
E
The
Profit
profit
line,
so
we'd
be
cognizant
of
that.
But
I'd
like
to
see
that
address.
So
we
don't
start
getting
projects
that
particularly
this
is
a
vehicular.
E
Piece
of
property
that
part
of
the
street
and
the
guidelines
address
that-
and
this
is
one
of
the
primary
issues
rather
than
getting
into
the
minutia
of
it.
So
I'd
really
like
to
see
it
or
be
involved
in
that
part
of
the
review
and
approval
or
I
can't
give
Council
here
tonight
a
recommendation
to
do
one
thing
or
another
I'd
say
no
just
for
that
one
item:
everything
else
is
good.
E
A
Like
what
you
said
about,
let's
take
the
things
one
piece
at
a
time
like
the
GPA,
the
architectural
permit,
the
tentative
parcel
map
the
whichever
so
forth
and
so
on.
I'm
100,
supportive
of
that
and
that
way,
if
we
can
recommend
approval
on
some
of
the
items,
let's
give
it,
and
if
we
can't
on
others,
then
we
won't,
but
you
also
mentioned
about
letting
the
applicant
weigh
in
on
if
they
would
be
supportive
of
waiting
or
advancing
it,
no
matter
what
or
whatever
Mr
Leary
can
you
please?
I
I
I
think
our
preference
would
be
to
get
whatever
feedback
we
can
get
from
the
commission
this
evening,
whatever
recommendations
up
or
down,
because
I
do
think
we'd
like
to
keep
this
process
moving
forward,
we
would
commit
to
continue
to
work
with
City
staff.
We've
received
a
ton
of
feedback
from
the
Commissioners
we've
received
feedback
from
the
public.
We
would
continue
to
work
toward
that,
but
I
think
we
would
like
to
stay
on
on
course
to
have
the
council
have
this
brought
before
Council
for
a
final
decision.
R
The
Mr
chairman,
if
I
may
add
for
the
record
my
name-
is
Greg
Sanders
I'm,
the
attorney
representing
Memorial
Care
here
this
evening.
First
of
all,
we
actually
appreciate
the
fact
that
the
City
attorney
found
that
the
development
agreement
was
not
included
in
the
notice
for
tonight's
meeting,
because
God
forbid,
if
there's
any
litigation
involving
this
project
after
the
city
council
acts,
that
would
have
been
a
fatal
flaw.
So
it
does
need
to
be
corrected.
R
We
would
suggest
that
perhaps
the
Planning
Commission
convene
a
special
meeting.
You
could
do
it
by
Zoom,
a
virtual
meeting
which
is
permitted
under
the
law
to
get
this
before
the
city
council
on
schedule,
which
I
think
is
set
for
October
the
18th
right.
So
if
you
would
kindly
consider
that
as
the
applicant,
we
would
certainly
appreciate
it
with
regard
to
how
you
vote.
R
It's
obvious
from
the
discussion
among
the
Commissioners
that
you
support
some
of
the
recommendations,
some
of
the
applications-
you
don't
support,
others
if
you
want
to
take
an
up
or
down
vote
on
the
resolution.
That's
before
you
that's
okay
with
us,
but
but
we
would
suggest
that
is
a
part
of
the
staff
report
to
the
city
council
that
the
staff
memorialize
your
comments
about
what
elements
you
support.
R
A
So
back
to
I
mean
I.
If
we
want
to,
you
know,
go
forward
with
what
they
said,
he's
asking
for
up
or
down
vote
on
the
resolution
as
written
based
on
what
I've
heard,
that's
going
to
be
a
denial,
but
I
think
we
should
step
through
each
of
the
things
individually.
I
agree
completely
and,
and
give
the
you
know
sending
it
just
a
straight
denial
up
to
council
is
doesn't
is
not
helpful
to
counsel
I
don't
perceive,
but
if
we
identify
walk
through
each
of
them,
we'd
request
staff.
A
Does
this
sound
good
to
you
guys
and
then
and
then
make
sure
that
staff
is
aware
and
properly
knows
what
our
concerns
are,
what
we
could
recommend
approval
on
or
what
we
could
recommend
to
nylon
and
why
I.
B
I
think
not
having
the
DDA
attached
as
a
fatal
flaw
so
because
I
think
they
wanted
everything
else
together
to
now
separate
one
because
of
either
a
clerical
error
or
something
I
think
is
not
advantageous
to
the
public.
Who
would
have
to
return
again,
so
it's
either
I
want
to
ask
the
legal
question
to
continue
the
item.
Does
it
take?
H
Quorum
here
you,
you
would
need
three
votes
to
continue.
It's
in
Lord
of
the
Quorum.
The
reason
you
need
four
for
the
resolution
is:
the
government
code
requires
a
majority
of
the
body
to
approve
resolutions
and
ordinances.
A
simple
action
requires
a
majority
of
the
quorums.
You
could
continue
this
with
three
votes.
B
E
It
was
a
good
idea
or
not
and
I
understand
that,
because
it's
you
know,
they've
they've
got
a
performer
they're
wanting
to
live
up
to
and
that's
so.
A
That's
the
job
sure.
I
I
certainly
want
to
respond
to
the
comment
that
we
have
zero
regard
for
your
opinion
or
decision.
I
I
think
what
we've
presented
tonight
and
the
resources
that
we've
invested
in
this
today
would
suggest
otherwise
we're
very
appreciative
of
the
time.
We're
very
appreciative
of
the
feedback
we've
been
listening.
We
will
continue
to
listen.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
I
would
like
to
keep
this
on
schedule
and
keep
the
process
moving.
Ultimately,
this
is
the
council's
decision.
I
think
the
council
would
benefit
from
all
of
the
feedback
that
you've
provided
and
I
I
agree.
I
I
mean
he's
our
Council,
but
I
agree
with
Mr.
Sanders
I
think
that
the
right
way
to
proceed
this
evening
and
the
way
that
you
would
best
support
the
council
is
take
an
up
or
down
vote
on.
The
resolution
lay
out
your
recommendations
or
concerns,
and
then
we
can
take
it
from
there.
But
please
don't
don't
leave
here
this
evening
with
an
indication
that
we
don't
care
what
you
what
you
say,
we've
been
listening
the
whole
time.
Thank
you.
A
F
First
of
all,
I
I
think
we
all
appreciate
that
the
affordable
housing
was
included,
and
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
so
as
a
benefit.
Yes,
but
it
is
the
right
thing
to
do
for
our
community
and
I
would
actually
like
to
see
it
higher
than
the
eight
percent,
but
I
wouldn't
want
anything
attached
to
that.
F
We're
I
think
we're
done
with
this
and
an
up
and
down
vote
it
would
be
no
I,
don't
want
to
stand
in
the
way
of
you.
You
know
appealing
this
and
going
right
to
the
city
city
council.
That's
your
right
to
do,
but
I
think
our
opinions
and
there's
some
very
professional
planners
here
should
be
taken
into
consideration
and
I
know
you
are.
But
we've
said
this
before
we
said
this
about
the
parking
we
said
this
about
the
architectural
design.
F
I
And
I
agree
with
that
and
if
and
I'm
going
to
defer
to
staff
and
to
the
City
attorney
in
terms
of
whether
those
deliberations
and
those
findings
and
comments,
if
there's
a
way
to
incorporate
them
into
the
staff
report
for
the
council,
that
may
be
perfectly
fine.
Whatever.
A
I
have
a
question
well
as
a
statement.
I
think
that
Council
would
benefit
you
know
will
will
benefit
significantly
from
our
effort
and
our
communication
so
long
as
that
gets
communicated
up
to
council.
So
question
for
staff
is
and
I,
don't
think,
there's
disagreement
on
that.
Do
you
guys
just
say:
hey
we've
made
ourselves
clear
already
we
don't
need
to
do
it
anymore,
relative
to
our.
A
G
There's
two
components
to
your
question:
one
is
yes:
staff
will
include
the
specific
comments
and
recommendations
for
council's
consideration,
but
the
second
part
is
that
you
do
want
to
memorialize
that
recommendation.
So
if
you've
already
identified
the
changes
that
you
would
like
to
see
or
the
findings,
you
might
not
be
able
to
support,
but
you
would
still
want
to
make
a
motion
on
that.
So.
A
B
E
Are
a
couple
of
things?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
open
space
private,
open
space
I
want
to
make
sure
is
addressed
and
that's
a
health
concern
the
50
to
55
year
requirement
for
remaining
affordable
and
that
they
clarify
what
kind
of
units
are
included
in
the
eight
percent
that
they're
offering
now,
and
that
that
is
part
of
the
that
that
offer
remains
and
becomes
part
of
this
project.
A
Okay;
okay,
thanks
with
that
I
think
I'd
also
like
to
address
Mr
Sanders
suggestion
that
we
have
a
special
meeting
before
the
18th,
potentially
via
Zoom
I,
personally,
don't
think
that's
necessary
I!
Don't
think
they
would
have
time
to
change
and
make
it
changes
and
incorporate
things
into
the
plans
quick
enough
to
satisfy
us.
I!
Don't
see
any
benefit
of
that
to
how
do
you
feel
about
that.
A
R
Mr
chairman
I'd,
like
to
say
make
one
comment:
the
statute
that
governs
development
agreements
does
require
that
you
review
the
development
agreement
and
you
make
a
recommendation.
R
A
H
Mr,
chair
Commissioners,
yes,
so
so.
Procedurally,
this
has
to
be
noticed
for
for
10
days.
The
commission
does
have
to
review
it
and
recommend
to
the
council
at
some
point.
What
point
that
is
is
really
up
to
the
Planning
Commission.
It
could
be
delayed,
but
your
your
accurate
in
that
we
are
not
beholden
to
the
schedule.
That's
being
proposed
you
you
can
acquiesced
that,
but
there's
no
there's
no
need
to.
H
It
could
certainly
Trail
it
would
be.
It
would
be
odd
to
take
the
D.A
as
a
separate
component
from
the
entire
package,
but
there's
no.
A
A
A
D
The
soonest
that
we
could
get
something
published
would
be
this
coming
Saturday,
which
we
would,
which
would
essentially
put
the
meeting
date
at
around
the
19th
okay.
So
so
it
wouldn't.
There
would
be
no
meeting
with
with
10
days
notice
prior
to
October
18th.
B
A
Before
we
vote
on
that,
I
I
guess
I'd
just
like
to
say
Obviously,
commissioner
Crandall
feels
like
things
should
go
all
together,
but
assuming
that
the
applicant
is
planning
on
moving
ahead
to
October
18th,
no
matter
what
then
I
I
see
I
see
that
the
development
agreement
could
be
done
separately.
So
that's
my
impression.
Mr.
R
R
A
Thanks
yeah,
we
established
that
thank
you.
Okay,
I
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor.
F
D
A
D
A
A
Okay
with
that
I
reconvened,
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
of
this
evening
and
next
item
of
business
cup
22-141
and
mcup
22-22
de
la
hunt,
Brewing
Tasting
Room
an
off-site
parking
agreement
at
1011
Calle
recordo.
T
Good
evening,
chair
members
of
the
commission,
David
curios
assistant
planner,
so
the
project
here
is
the
daily
hunt,
Brewing
tasting
room
and
off-site
parking
agreement
located
at
1011,
Calle
rocoto
and
the
business
part
Zone
within
the
Rancho
San
Clemente
specific
plan.
The
current
use
is
for
beer
manufacturing
and
it's
the
only
tenant
on
site.
The
site
consists
of
eight
parking
spaces,
landscape
areas
with
trees
and
one
equipment
enclosure
along
with
the
trash
enclosure
as
well.
T
T
So
here's
the
proposed
Plano
and
I
want
to
highlight
five
elements
here.
So
the
first
one
is
the
the
One
Way
Drive
aisle
highlighted
in
yellow,
and
you
see
the
arrows
showing
the
direction.
We
have
the
two
parking
spaces
highlighted
in
Orange,
which
have
been
rotated
to
the
west
to
improve
the
turn-in
radius
to
those
parking
spaces.
T
We
have
in
blue
the
new
outdoor
patio
and
within
the
Green
Cloud
we
have
the
neon
improved
the
Ada
space
and
and
the
change
there
was
to
provide
a
loading
zone
on
either
side
of
that
parking
space.
And
then,
in
the
red
circles
we
have
the
five
fermentation
tanks
to
the
north
of
the
building.
T
So
going
into
parking,
the
project
requires
12
parking
spaces.
This
includes
the
existing
uses
which
are
manufacturing
warehouse
and
office,
and
now,
with
the
proposed
tasting
room,
that's
what
requires
12
parking
spaces
in
total,
so
on
site,
there's
only
seven
available
parking
spaces
after
the
Ada
spaces
improved
So.
Currently
we
have
eight
with
the
ad
Improvement
on
that
space,
we'll
be
losing
one
space
for
a
total
of
seven.
So
that
brings
us
to
a
deficit
of
five
parking
spaces
on
site.
T
So
to
address
that
the
applicant
is
requesting
an
off-site
parking
agreement
for
use
of
nine
off-site
parking
spaces
at
an
adjacent
property
located
at
1009,
Calle
rocoto.
We
see
it
to
the
right
here
on
the
screen,
so
in
yellow
we
see
those
spaces.
We
have
three
on
the
Northern
side
of
that
adjacent
lot
and
then
six
on
the
southern
side
of
that
adjacent
lot.
T
So
the
the
business
at
1009
ricotto
does
close
at
4
pm
Monday
through
Friday
and
does
not
open
on
the
weekends.
So
the
tasting
hours
we'll
see
on
the
next
slide
reflect
these
closing
hours.
T
So
for
again
for
The
Tasting
Room,
the
applicant
is
proposing
27
indoor
seats.
Eight
outdoor
seats
proposed
hours
would
be
consistent
with
the
hours
that
the
adjacent
business
is
not
operating
so
Monday
through
Friday
4
pm
to
9
pm
and
Saturday
and
Sunday
12
P.M
to
10
p.m.
We
do
want
to
highlight
that
there
is
no
live,
entertainment
or
amplify
sound
being
requested.
T
The
hours
being
proposed
for
The
Taste
room
are
consistent
with
other
tasting
rooms
within
the
business
park,
such
as
lost
winds,
artifact,
artifex,
Left
Coast,
which
it's
it's
in
another
industrial
park
and
then
a
drift
Distillery.
We
did
have
this
project
reviewed
by
The
Code,
Compliance
division,
Orange,
County,
Sheriff's
department
and
ABC
and
all
are
in
support
of
the
use.
T
So
here's
a
North
view
of
the
proposed
tanks
and
patio,
so
we
see
the
tanks
next
to
the
building
they'll
be
below
the
existing
height
of
the
building.
T
We
do
have
some
conditions
of
approval
that
require
the
tanks
to
be
painted
in
a
flat
or
satin
finish.
That
is
consistent
with
some
direction.
We
did
receive
from
a
similar
review
by
the
drsc,
the
design
of
your
subcommittee
back
in
2020
for
a
Asylum,
a
green
Silo
at
this
site
and
I'll
clarify
this
project
did
not
go
through
design
review
subcommittee
review.
The
staff
did
use
direction
from
that
meeting
in
2020
to
to
guide
the
applicant
in
this
application
and
to
the
right
of
the
building.
T
We
see
the
new
patio,
the
new
outdoor
patio.
We
see
the
solid
barrier,
we
see
the
post
that
will
support
the
string
lights
as
well
and
I
do
want
to
note
that
in
working
with
the
engineering
division,
they
did
ask
for
Ballers
for
protection
of
the
author
seating
and
the
applicant
was
open
to
providing
those
as
well.
T
So,
in
conclusions
per
staff
analysis
in
the
staff
report,
we
find
that
the
project
is
in
compliance
with
the
development
standards,
consistent
with
General
plan
policies
and
design
guidelines,
and
therefore,
staff
recommends
that
the
Planning
Commission
determined
the
project
is
categorically
exempt
from
the
requirements
of
SQL
and
approve
the
project
subject
to
conditions
of
approval,
and
we
did
receive
one
public
comment
that
was
in
support
of
the
the
use.
That
concludes
my
presentation
and
we
do
have
the
applicant's
team
available
as
well.
F
The
question
on
the
shared
parking
once
it's
decided
that
this
is
acceptable.
It
does
the
owner
of
the
other
property
at
another
time.
If
they
decide
this
isn't
working
for
them.
Do
they
have
the
opportunity
to
change
this.
F
T
So
the
this
would
require
that
the
agreement
be
recorded,
so
they
would,
they
would
have
to
go
through
that
process.
To
not
be
tied
to
that
agreement
is
my
understanding.
A
Okay,
this
is
a
public
hearing.
A
Sorry
my
mic
was
off.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
I
will
open
the
public
hearing,
we
have
a
speaker
card
from
Rob
Johnston
I
had
to
leave
about
an
hour
ago.
Okay!
A
Okay,
hearing,
none
I'll
close
the
public
hearing,
commission
discussions,
foreign.
A
A
I
was
wondering
if
you
wanted
to
suggest
that
do
shield
and
string
lights,
okay,
yeah
so
I
guess
I
would
make
a
motion.
I
do
com.
E
I
move.
We
approve
resolution
PC
2220,
a
resolution
of
the
Planning
Commission.
Do
I
need
to
read
this
whole
thing
tonight.
Resolution
2220.
D
And
commission,
if
I
could
the
the
best
way
to
read
the
record
to
make
the
motion
would
either
be
to
follow
the
recommendation
at
the
back
of
the
staff
report.
It
includes
two
things:
one
is
to
determine
the
project
categorically
exempt
and
the
second
is
to
adopt
the
resolution.
What.
D
E
On
he's
on
page,
eight
I
will
change
my
motion
and
change
it
to
I
move.
We
approve
with
the
termination
that
the
project
is
categorically
exempt
from
the
requirements
of
the
secret
pursuant
to
SQL
guidelines,
section
15,
303
class,
one
existing
facilities
in
section
15,
311
class,
11
accessory
structures
and
adopt
resolution
PC
2220
a
proven
conditional
use,
permit
22,
141
minor
conditional
use,
permit
2222,
minor
architectural
permit,
222
Della,
hunt,
Brewing
tasting
rooms
and
off-site
parking
agreements
subject
to
attached
conditions
of
approval.
B
L
D
N
Good
evening
my
name
is
Sarah
Toma
I'm,
the
senior
planner
in
the
planning
Division
and
today
I'll
be
presenting
the
wireless
telecommunication
facility.
It's
a
cup
22-236.
N
So,
just
a
little
bit
of
background,
it's
the
request
to
install
a
building
mounted
antennas
with
an
equipment
enclosure
on
an
existing
self-storage
site.
The
property
is
in
with
is
within
the
Rancho
San
Clemente
specific
plan
and
the
property
Zone
light
Industrial
the
properties
located
at
170,
Avenida,
La
pada.
It's
part
of
our
it's
going
to
be
part
of
the
San
Clemente
self-storage
site,
so
we're
all
familiar
with
it.
N
The
project
description
I
just
wanted
to
give
like
a
quick
snapshot.
Basically
it'll
be
a
six
panel
antennas,
12
remote
radio
units,
three
surge
suppressors,
hybrid
fiber,
Cox
cables.
They
also
requested
to
do
two
equipment,
cabinets
and
one
GPS
unit,
meter,
socket
utility
service
and
surge
suppressors
and
I
wanted
to
give
just
a
little
bit
of
project
say
of
where
so,
there's
going
to
be
three
of
them
and
they're
highlighted
right
here
in
the
site
plan
I
numbered
them.
One
is
in
the
middle.
N
N
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
quick
elevation,
so
this
is
the
proposed
building.
This
is
site
one,
and
this
is
what
they're
going
to
add.
It's
going
to
be
completely
matching
to
the
existing
building
same
color
same
everything.
This
is
what's
existing
on
site
two.
This
is
what
they're
proposing
and
then
again
this
is
site
three,
and
then
this
is
what's
proposing
once
I've
did
their
analysis
for
site
selection.
This
is
basically
to
improve
service
within
the
community.
Minimize
potential
visual
impacts,
it's
completely
away
from
any
residential
development.
N
To
me,
our
conditional
use
permit
it
complies
with
fcc's
requirements.
It's
compatible
with
surrounding
land
uses
and
also
again,
like
I,
said
it's
away
from
any
residential
development,
so
it
wouldn't
have
any
visual
impact
in
regards
to
antenna
permit
findings.
It
will
not
alter
the
height
of
the
existing
building.
The
proposed
project
will
not
create
any
adverse
visual
impacts,
as
I
had
mentioned
before,
to
the
area
or
to
the
city
at
large
and
for
General
Pine
consistency.
N
N
This
project
did
go
to
the
drsc
on
the
28th
of
September
and
the
DRC
supported
the
design
and
moved
it
to
Planning
Commission
and
for
secret
this.
This
is
exempt
from
SQL
under
Section
15301
class
1,
existing
facilities
and
section
15303
under
new
construction
for
small
structures
and
staff's
recommendation
that
the
Planning
Commission
one
determined
the
project
that
is
categorically
exempt
from
the
requirements
of
sqa
and
to
adopt
resolution
pc22018
approving
conditional
use
permit
22-236
for
Dish
Wireless
telecommunication
facility,
subject
to
conditions
of
approval,
and
that
concludes
staff's
presentation.
A
You
does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
staff
foreign.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Has
anyone
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item?
Do
we
have
any
speaker
cards?
A
Okay,
do
we
need
yeah?
A
K
We
reviewed
the
draft
conditions
of
approval
and
are
willing
to
accept
them,
as
written
with
the
exception
of
4.16.
I
think
should
be
removed.
K
E
Hate
to
agree
to
enter
into
a
lease
with
the
city.
This
is
a
minor
clerical
issue,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
clean
that
up
before
we.
R
N
A
Okay:
okay,
Mission
discussion.
Anybody
like
to
discuss
this
item
I.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
I
think
it's
a
great
design
super!
You
know
I've,
never
seen
a
cell
tower
a
cell
facility
that
looks
like
this.
It's
amazing
do
more
of
them,
please
so
I'm
supportive
of
the
project
and
I'm
open
to
a
motion
that
includes
deleting
that
4.16
condition.
F
We
will
recommend
to
the
recommendation,
determine
the
project
is
categorically
exempt
for
the
requirements
of
the
state
SQL
guidelines,
section
15
301
last
one
existing
facilities
in
section
15303
class,
3,
new
construction
or
a
conversion
of
small
structure
and
adopt
resolution.
Pc
22
0,
1
8,
approving
conditional
use,
permit
22236
dish,
Wireless
telecommunications
facility,
subject
to
the
condition
of
approval
therein,
and
we
would
remove.
F
A
D
D
D
D
The
proposed
project
is
a
fitness
facility
located
at
1108,
North
El,
Camino
Real,
the
zone
of
the
property
is
neighborhood
commercial.
Two
property
is
identified
here
on
the
map
on
the
right
circled
in
red
a
little
bit
of
background.
The
property
is
a
9368
square
foot
lot.
The
project
is
located
is
proposed
to
be
located
in
an
existing
two-story
5250
square
foot,
single
tenant
building
and
surrounding
land
uses
include
commercial
uses
to
the
north,
east
and
Southeast
and
residential
uses
to
the
southwest
and
west.
D
The
applicant
proposes
a
new
fitness
facility
use.
The
proposed
use
will
occupy
the
entire
5250
square.
Foot.
Building
the
fitness
facility
proposes
to
operate
seven
days
a
week.
The
hours
on
weekdays
would
be
5
a.m,
to
10
p.m
and
on
weekends
it
would
be
7
A.M
to
7
pm
operations
include
open
training
areas
with
various
equipment,
as
well
as
one-on-one
and
Group
Training
areas.
D
The
staff
reviewed
the
application
and,
in
our
project
analysis
we've
identified
that
Fitness
facilities
are
conditionally
permitted
in
the
neighborhood
commercial
to
zoning.
District
the
site
does
provide
sufficient
on-site
parking
pursuant
to
our
Municipal
Code
requirements
for
the
use.
The
use
is
not
anticipated
to
generate
significant
impacts
to
neighboring
properties
such
as
intensity,
noise
or
parking.
D
D
You
typically
have
a
manager,
that's
in
the
gym,
but
also
has
their
own
office
that
they
go
to,
but
it's
not
an
office
use
where
people
are
going
to
the
site
for
the
office
portion
of
it.
So
we've
we've
teased
out
what
we
consider
the
ancillary
ancillary
uses
and
identified
parking
ratios
that
would
apply
to
the
other
uses
based
on
this
there
at
any.
D
The
findings
for
the
cup,
as
identified
in
your
in
the
staff
report
in
your
packet,
the
first
is
the
use
is
allowed
in
the
zone,
which
I
noted
that
it
was
the
suit.
The
site
is
suitable
for
the
proposed
use,
because
the
project
complies
with
the
general
plan
development
standards,
including
parking
requirements
as
discussed.
The
use
is
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
zone
and
is
compatible
with
the
mix
of
uses
in
the
surrounding
area.
D
The
staff
report
and
the
resolution
both
touch
on
the
the
ways
that
this
uses
compatible
with
the
mix
of
uses
in
the
surrounding
area,
in
that
there
are
similar
uses
that
are
that
exist
and
are
permissible
in
the
subject
Zone
and
then
the
last
being
that
the
use
will
not
negatively
impact
surrounding
land
uses.
As
I
discussed.
There
are
conditions
of
approval
that
have
been
applied
to
the
project,
to
ensure
compatibility
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
examples
that
I
have
here
are
and
I
apologize.
I
can
already
tell
it.
D
I
didn't
there's
one
typo
on
this
on
this
slide
up
here,
which
I
will
correct
7.17
is
that
activities
are
to
occur
indoors
indoors
and
windows
shall
remain
closed.
During
these
operations.
D
It's
not
number
2.2,
it's
number
7.18
and
that's
activity
shall
not
require
more
than
15
parking
spaces
pursuant
to
the
San
Clemente
Municipal
Code,
meaning
that
they
have
areas
that
can
be
devoted
to
either
a
group
class
area
or
gym
floor
area
depending
on
depending
on
what
classes
they
may
want
to
offer
at
the
time
they
can
do
one
or
the
other.
They
can't
do
both
at
the
same
time,
and
so
the
this
condition
limits
the
uses
to
inside
to
not
require
more
than
15
parking
spaces
per
the
code.
D
Seven
one
point:
one:
nine:
any
group
classes
offered
are
required
to
have
a
30-minute
separation
that
really
ensures
that
the
there's
no
parking
overlap
and
7.20.
If
parking
issues
do
arise
in
the
future,
the
applicant
can
be
required
by
the
city
planner
if
a
parking,
if
parking
issues
are
identified,
to
submit
an
amendment
to
the
cup.
That
requires
a
parking
survey
so
that
the
the
use
and
the
actual
impact
of
parking
can
be
analyzed
by
the
Planning
Commission.
D
D
And
then
there's
one
condition
that
I
did
I
failed
to
include
in
the
resolution,
and
so
my
motion
is
going
to
be
both
number
one
and
two
as
specified
in
the
staff
report
and
include
condition
7.21,
which
would
State
all
operations
of
the
fitness
facility
shall
only
occur
between
5
a.m
and
10
pm
on
weekdays
and
7
A.M
and
7
P.M
on
weekends
and
I
will
finish
my
staff
report
by
saying
that,
in
consultation
with
our
City
attorney,
the
shortest
way
to
make
a
motion
is
to
just
say:
I
move
staff's
recommended
staff's
recommendation
Danny.
D
That's
all
you
have
to
say
I
love
that
I
will
I
will
end
my
report
with
that.
The
applicant
is
available
and
he
may
want
to
make
a
a
statement,
but
he
will
be
available
for
any
questions.
F
D
The
the
things
that
they
would
be
limited
to
would
be
building
occupancy
per
the
fire
code
or
building
code
or
there's
an
occupancy
limiting
the
number
of
people
that
could
be
in
a
group
class.
But
as
far
as
the
gym
floor,
the
only
zoning
limitations
that
apply
are
based
on
square
footage
and
how
many
parking
spaces
are
required
related
to
that
square.
D
It's
it's
okay,
I
I,
don't
know
that
this
triggers
an
a
occupancy,
and
so
it
would
be.
It
would
be
limited
to
49
within
a
certain
within
any
enclosed
space
in
the
building.
D
I
believe,
if
it
wasn't,
if
it
is
classified
as
an
a
occupancy
which
it
shouldn't
be
because
building
did
review
this
project
and
they
did
not
require
a
building
permit
to
change
the
occupancy
rating
and
the
previous
use
was
a
rug
store
and
that
would
never
be
an
a
occupancy,
so
I
believe
it's
49,
but
if
it
wasn't
and
it
got
bumped
up
to
the
next
occupancy
level,
it
would
be
a
hundred.
F
And
I
went
out
to
visit
the
property
over
the
weekend
and
it
does
back
up
to
residential
there's
an
Alleyway
that
goes
in
the
back.
There
I
have
a
slight
concern,
but
it
would
not
keep
me
from
moving
the
project
along.
Is
that
I
see
under
here
that
there
is
a
condition
that
the
owner
would
consider
if
there
is
a
problem
and
would
address
issues
of
property,
maintenance,
noise,
disturbance,
Amplified,
sound
and
occupancy.
F
So
that's
why
I
asked
because
I
didn't
know
what
the
maximum
would
be
to
ensure
the
operations
remain
compatible
with
surrounding
Residential
Properties,
and
so
the
cars
do
have
to
come
down
that
Alleyway
and
come
in
through
the
residential
side
and
then
come
into
the
parking
area
and
then
back
out
and
then
use
that
Alleyway
at
5
a.m
and
at
10
o'clock
at
night.
Is
it
10
or
11
10.,
so
I
I
wanted
to
ask
you
staff?
How
is
that
triggered?
D
Yes,
conditional
use
permit
enforcement
is
typically
conducted
by
Code
Compliance
staff.
If
there
are,
if
there's
an
excessive
noise,
it's
not
uncommon
for
nearby
residents
to
call
the
deputies
of
the
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Department,
and
they
can
also
address
noise
impacts.
D
And
just
to
kind
of
piggyback
on
on
that
issue,
one
of
our
standard
conditions
of
approval
that
Code
Compliance
adds
is
1.5
use
of
the
subject.
Property
shall
conform
to
all
occupancy
requirements,
including
posting
of
signs
related
to
the
maximum
occupancy
limitations.
This
is
actually
something
that's
buried
in
in
the
building
code
and
is
not
that
well
specified
it's
that
condition
that
actually
requires
posting
of
those
occupancy
limits
within
buildings.
So
we're
we're
very
cognizant
of
that
issue.
A
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
have
a
question.
I
have
a
question
or
two.
You
said
in
your
presentation
that
the
doors
and
windows
are
obligated
to
remain
closed.
D
D
It
could
just
be
people,
you
know
running
on
machines
and
when
it
comes
to
bars
and
restaurants
that
that
are
located
within
a
proximity
to
residential
uses.
This
condition
is
always
applied
unless
there
are
certain
exceptions.
But,
generally
speaking,
this
condition
to
keep
windows
and
doors
is
always
required
because
they
want,
because
the
idea
is
to
maintain
this
level
of
sound
within
a
building
now
I.
There
might
be
some
leeway
here
related
to
El
Camino
Real
versus
the
back
alley.
D
The
different
the
thing
is
that
the
windows
on
the
El
Camino
Real
side
are
not
operable
so
there's
just
not.
They
wouldn't
be
open,
they're,
not
they're,
not
able
to
be
opened,
and
at
this
time
the
applicant's
not
proposing
any
site
improvements.
A
A
D
A
Oh
sorry,
okay,
okay,.
K
K
K
C
Thomas
Cook
I
live
at
101
Aragon
Apartment
B,
which
is
pretty
much
the
same.
A
lot.
It's
separated,
of
course,
but
the
same
owner
owns
that
whole
corner
right
there.
It's
just
separated
by
the
little
alley
strip
other
than
Mr
moff,
who
just
spoke
and
one
other
tenet
that
resides
in
the
household
in
front
of
us
because
we're
at
the
garage
units
this
gym
will
affect.
Nobody
like
it'll
affect
the
two
of
us
I'm
in
favor
of
the
job
I
like
the
gym.
C
I
I,
like
the
owner
of
the
gym,
he's
been
more
than
amendable
to
me
when
I've
had
issues
come
up,
especially
with
parking
and
emergency
parking.
He's
a
nice
guy,
I
love
the
view
I,
like
the
view
of
the
the
participants
going
to
the
view
going
to
the
gym.
Nice
people
fit
people,
it
brings
in
a
nice
element
and
he
seems
like
he
wants
to
improve
the
area
and
so
I
I
support
the
gym.
C
I
do
have
to
raise
concerns
about
the
hours
of
operation,
though
I
am
not
affected
as
much
as
Mr
Mavis
because,
like
he
said
his
his
kitchen
and
main
bedroom
window
literally
faces
the
parking
lot
and,
if
I
step
out
of
my
what
would
be
my
front
door,
I
am
probably
from
the
staff.
Well,
the
San
Clemente
emblem
is
the
beginning
of
their
their
parking
lot.
C
The
the
width
of
the
where
you
are
to
me
is
probably
about
the
width
of
the
the
alley
drive,
so
somebody
sneezes
in
the
parking
lot
and
it
echoes
throughout
the
whole
the
whole
Alleyway
right
there.
It
doesn't.
The
noise
really
doesn't
affect
me
because,
where
I'm
behind
the
garages,
the
garages
are
a
buffer
I'm,
a
studio
ground
floor
behind
two
garages
so
and
I'm
a
heavy
sleeper.
C
Now
my
my
significant
other
she's,
a
lighter
sleeper
she's,
had
to
go
out
just
the
past
couple
days,
she's
gone
out
and
and
had
to
ask
members
of
the
gym
who
are
just
hanging
out
in
the
parking
lot
and
their
vehicles
blasting
their
stereos.
To
do
us
a
favor
and
turn
the
music
down.
C
I
would
hate
to
be
Mr
moff,
especially
at
5
00
a.m.
Some
of
his
members
are
motorcycle
riders,
I
love
motorcycles,
but
I'll
tell
you
in
that
little
alleyway
with
that
Echo.
They
have
no
concern.
They
actually
like
it.
I
like
my
loud
bike
and
you're,
going
to
listen
to
my
loud
bike.
C
A
You
Mr
cook
did
you
want
to
speak
as
well,
sir
yeah,
please
so
please
state
your
name
and
then,
after
the
fact,
if
you
could
fill
out
a
card,
so
they
can
get
your
information.
Yes,.
L
Thank
you,
John
openshaw,
my
family
owns
the
San
Clemente
gym
the
San
Clemente
Gym's
been
servicing
the
community
for
44
years,
the
longest
same
name,
same
location,
gym
in
Southern,
California
and
Beyond.
We
were
displaced
by
a
big
flood
in
October.
We
were
blessed
to
find
1108.
L
We
expect
to
keep
up
the
standards
of
the
community
and
servicing
the
community
that
we
have,
and
we
will
continue
to
sorry
to
see.
Stan
and
Tom
here,
I
think
it's
a
bummer
that
you
know
obviously
we're
all
friends.
We
like
each
other
I,
think
it's
more
of
a
parking
issue.
I
opened
the
gym
personally
at
5am
every
morning,
I
show
up
in
a
golf
cart.
Greg
shows
up
at
5.
15.
he's
in
a
golf
cart.
Glenn
shows
up.
Bob
shows
up
on
his
bike.
L
Two
three
people,
six
o'clock,
seven
o'clock
eight
o'clock,
would
be
the
general
momentum
of
the
gym
we
close
at
9
00
PM.
Even
though
we've
asked
for
hours
to
10
p.m.
We
close
at
nine
Ten's
just
hey
if
business
gets
good
and
we
can
expand,
that'd
be
great,
but
we
do
close
at
nine.
Those
are
our
posted
hours
on
all
our
websites
and
everywhere
we're
blessed
to
be
part
of
this
community.
Thank
you
very
much
any
questions
I'm
here
for
you.
F
F
They
do.
The
residents
should
have
a
quality
of
life
and
there
should
be
some
sort
of
balance.
Would
you
consider
amending
your
hours
to
where
there
is
more
of
a
noise
ordinance
leaf?
Blowers
can't
start
until
seven
construction
can't
start
until
7
A.M?
Would
you
consider
something
like
that?
Well,.
L
Fortunately,
the
building
only
has
two
windows
in
the
back
and
they're
tiny,
tiny,
tiny,
we're
cinder
block
walls,
I'm
really
really
blessed
to
have
this
property
because
it
does
not
radiate
noise.
It
really
doesn't
there's
no
motorcycles
coming
at
five
in
the
morning.
There's
golf
carts
and
bikes.
It
is
tranquil.
There's
no
Amplified
sound
system.
L
We
have
two
Alexa's
the
services
background
music,
just
for
the
gym,
I
urge
you
to
come,
participate
and
see
because
between
5
a.m
and
7
A.M,
it's
quiet
as
a
church
mouse
we're
super
considerate,
I,
personally,
police,
the
property
I've
removed
the
crack
cars
sleeping
in
the
neighborhood,
all
the
Mayhem
that
does
go
on
in
all
hours,
Stan
walks
his
dog
at
six.
In
the
morning.
We
both
have
dogs
he's
up
early
Tom
called
me
at
midnight
to
to.
Let
me
know,
of
an
intruder
potentially
being
in
the
building
one
night.
L
These
guys
are
up
all
hours.
My
other
neighbors
who
live
right
behind
Colby,
they're
silent.
We
all
get
along
I,
think
it
really
has
to
do
with
some
parking
losing
some
personal
spots.
Our
buildings
are
owned
by
the
same
owner,
stand
in
the
painting
on
the
building
he
worked
for
our
owner.
They
kind
of
had
carte
blanche
of
the
parking
lot.
That's
kind
of
changed
I
think
that
that
might
have
a
little
bit
of
an
influence
here.
L
L
Apartments
upstairs
yeah
and
we
had
to
be
aware
of
them
and,
and
so
as
an
example,
I've
added
extra
padding
everywhere,
because
I
don't
want
to
hear
it
either.
You
know
there's
nothing
like
being
at
the
desk
and
hearing
bam,
I've
eliminated
all
that
we
we
added
an
extra
three
quarters
of
an
inch
padding
everywhere
on
top
of
the
half
inch
in
the
inch
in
places.
L
I
understand
what
needs
to
happen,
to
be
great
neighbors
and
to
minimize
noise
and
reduce
noise
and
again
I'll.
Buy
you.
The
copy
I'll
hit,
we'll
go,
get
a
cappuccino.
You'll
find
that
we
roll
up
in
our
golf
carts.
We're
super
silent,
we're
super
polite.
It
is
unfortunate
how
close
Stan's
bedroom
window
is
to,
but
it's
a
good
40
yards
and
we're
talking
cinder
block
walls
on
the
back
side
on
the
front
side
to
El
Camino
our
windows.
Don't
open,
they're,
those
huge
windows.
We
have
two
doors:
there
really
is
no
release
of
of
noise.
A
It
it
sounds
to
me
like
the
the
issue
that
was
you
know
mentioned,
was
not
noise
emanated
from
the
building,
but
people
in
the
parking
lot,
people
playing
their
radio.
There's
people
coming
early
chatting
getting
on
the
cell
phone,
whatever
so
I
I,
don't
think
anyone's
disputing
the
the
building
itself.
L
We
do
have
the
ability
to
to
send
messages
to
our
members
to
be
cautious
and
courteous
to
move
in
and
out
our
early
morning.
Crowd
are
one
people
at
a
time
and
they're
staggered
by
15
to
30
minutes
and
it's
really
a
cumulative
total
of
eight
people
between
5
a.m
and
6
30
a.m.
So
it's
not
an
impactful
situation,
but
I
will
pass
along
to
everybody
to
be
courteous,
quiet
and
and
respectful.
L
That's
all
short-term
mixed
use,
no
overnight
parking
and
and
there's
12
in
between
myself
and
the
boutique
across
the
way.
There's
10
on
Aragon.
You.
E
Would
it
be
I'm
not
sure
we
can
do
this?
Could
you
put
a
condition
that
the
parking
lot
be
closed
not
opened
until
seven.
E
Yeah,
so
that
would
give
you
at
least
a
relief
until
the
normal
quiet
hours
are
over.
D
Yes,
we
could,
you
know
we
could
try
to
think
how
the
easiest
way
to
go
about
this
would
be
I,
think
a
condition
that
states
something
to
the
effect
of
to
mitigate
early
morning
noise
impacts.
D
You
know
the
applicant
shall
close
the
parking
lot
to
to
vehicles,
I,
don't
see
golf
carts
and
e-bikes
being
an
issue,
and
we
can
probably
put
in
a
six-month
review
for
that.
I
think
that
would
I
think
that
would
be
fine.
E
You
think
that
would
help
your
let's
say,
reduce
it.
It
won't
eliminate
it,
but
it'll
reduce
it.
I
mean.
E
F
F
L
L
It's
there's:
no
overnight
parking
there
right
on
the
streets.
Yeah
I
appreciate
everything
everyone's
done,
I'm
just
here
to
be
part
of
the
team
and
whatever
we
need
to
do.
D
So
Commissioners
I
I'll
just
modify
the
condition
that
I
I
verbally
stated
as
a
recommendation
and
end
with
a
six-month
review
provided
by
the
city
planner
to
the
Planning
Commission,
and
so
at
a
at
a
meeting
in
six
months.
I'll
provide
a
review
and
it
will
be
based
on
staff
site
visits
at
during
that
during
that
time
frame.
D
The
one
thing
I
will
just
mention
because
since
this
issue
has
come
up
through
public
discussion,
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
uses
that
could
work
that
could
operate
without
any
limitation
on
hours
like
a
coffee
shop
could
start
in
this
building
and
people
could
park
there
as
much
as
they
want,
and
there
would
be
no
Avenue
for
recourse
from
the
neighboring
Property
Owners,
but
seeing
that
it
is
conditional-
and
we
do
have
the
authority
to
regulate
it,
based
on
potential
impacts
to
the
neighborhood
staff's
comfortable,
with
a
condition
requiring
that
parking
B
for
the
for
the
first.
L
C
C
K
C
I
support
I'm,
like
in
between
two
neighbors
here,
I
like
them,
both
I,
like
the
whooping.
J
Child
here
it
seems
unfair,
especially
since
his
customers
are
dead
early
in
the
morning,
may
not
find
adequate
parking
that
early
in
the
morning.
K
Q
A
F
A
Okay,
so
we
commissioned
discussion.
B
B
If
they
have
a
complaint,
it
sounds
like
he'll
address
it
if
it's
his
member,
but
if
it's
some
teenager
driving
down
the
street
at
5
30
of
the
you
know
alley
or
somebody
else,
who's
just
being
there
that
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
his
business.
That's
not
his
fault,
and
that
needs
to
be
kind
of
reported
to
the
sheriff
or
whatever.
But
that's
sort
of
my
feeling
is
that
I
think
they
can
work
it
out
amongst
themselves.
A
A
E
We've
got
so
many
alleys
and
so
many
residential
units
on
one
side
and
commercial
on
the
other,
it's
kind
of
all
over
town
down
there,
but
they
don't
use
those
hours
they
aren't
opening
at
5am
in
the
morning.
D
So
unnecessarily
just
for
for
considerations
purposes.
Any
use
that
creates
sound
that
when
it
reaches
a
residential
property,
is
a
50
decibels
or
less
there's,
there's
no
violation
of
the
city's
noise
ordinance,
and
that
includes
the
time
period
between
10
pm
and
7
A.M.
D
During
the
day,
the
the
limit
is
55
decibels
unless
it's
a
mixed
U,
it's
a
residential
portion
of
a
mixed-use
project
and
then
it's
60
decibels.
D
So
there's
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
uses
that
would
that
do
occur
overnight
and
could
occur
on
this
property
through
a
different
type
of
proposal
that
may
make
some
sound
and
I'm
not
sure
if
the
level
of
sound
that's
being
created
is
actually
within
that
noise
standard.
A
Thank
you,
my
two
cents
for
what
it's
worth
I.
Think
the
proposal
to
temporarily.
You
know
close
the
parking
lot
Limited
hours
as
a
good.
It's
a
good
effort,
a
good
try,
I
agree
with
commissioner
mccacken.
You
can't
really
you
certainly
can't
always
you
know,
control
the
sound
and
that's
just
kind
of
an
exposed
location
to
other.
You
know
sounds
you
know,
emitters,
but
so
I'm,
supportive
of
the
of
the
hours
and
review
the
the
you
know,
lot
restriction
and
and
re-review
it
in
six
months.
F
D
D
So
the
parking
on
the
street
issue
is
that
there
is
parking
allowed
on
this
on
straights,
but
the
the
member
of
the
public
stated
that
they're
not
enforcing
the
overnight
parking.
D
That's
that's
not
allowed
so
at
5
a.m.
There
is
street
parking
that
is
available,
but
the
one
of
the
one
of
the
neighbors
that
spoke
indicated
that
it
it's
a
lot
of
it's
taken
up
because
of
a
lack
of
parking
enforcement.
I,
don't
know
that
to
be
the
case
entirely.
I
I
can
see
that
there
might
be
some
places
where
that
could
be
an
issue,
but
I
know
on
El
Camino
Real,
because
my
staff
drives.
You
know
they
start
at
4
30.
In
the
morning.
E
D
There's
there
were
two
conditions:
one
was
a
new
condition:
7.21
all
operations
of
the
fitness
facility
shall
only
operate
between
5
a.m
and
10
p.m,
on
weekdays
and
7,
A.M
and
7
P.M
on
weekends,
and
then
a
second
one
that
the
parking
lot
shall
be
closed
off
between
5
a.m
and
7
A.M
daily,
and
that
parking
for
vehicles
for
motor
vehicles
and
that
the
patrons
between
that
those
hours
shall
utilize
street
parking
for
vehicles
and
that
the
city
planner
will
provide
in
in
I'll
call
it
a
verbal
report
to
the
Planning
Commission
in
three
months
after
operations
pursuant
to
the
cup
commence
and
in
six
months,
I'll
provide
a
written
report
as
to
the
effectiveness
of
that
condition.
D
L
A
E
A
Okay,
a
new
business,
no
new
business
old
businessman,
old
business
do
I,
have
a
motion
to
adjourn.