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A
Good
evening,
I
call
to
order
to
it's
meeting
of
the
time
commission
planning
Commissioner
of
city
of
San
Clemente
today
is
Wednesday
November,
2nd
first
we'll
have
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance,
led
by
commissioner
Kemp.
A
A
Thank
you.
Can
we
please
have
the
Roll
Call.
A
Thank
you.
There
are
no
special
orders
of
business.
Next
item
is
the
minutes
from
previous
meeting
and.
D
E
A
F
F
F
And
we
chose
as
a
council
to
ignore
our
subject
matter.
Experts
I've
come
here
to
apologize
for
that
it
was
unacceptable,
absolutely
unacceptable,
and
what
we're
going
to
end
up
with
now
I,
don't
know:
55
feet,
60
feet,
I.
Obviously,
Memorial
Care
can
do
whatever
the
hell
they
want
to
do
and
it
might
come
as
a
surprise
to
many
of
you.
F
I
got
upset
last
night
until
Memorial
care
what
the
hell
I
thought
about
them
and
their
TCA
lawyers
they
brought
with
them
last
night,
but
we're
going
to
be
stuck
with
that
project.
But
it's
not
your
fault
and
I
appreciate
the
hard
work
every
one
of
you
did
on
this
and
I
hope.
We
never
repeat
that
again.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
G
G
G
These
are
photos
of
the
building
prior
to
some
work
that
was
completed,
the
city
had
issued
a
staff
waiver
at
a
staff
level
to
do
some
Rehabilitation
improvements
to
the
site.
In
the
process
of
doing
that
work,
the
contractor
had
noticed
that
there
was
dry
rot
in
some
of
the
framing
members,
and
some
work
was
done
without
permits.
So
since
then
the
applicant
has
been
working
with
City
staff
to
get
proper
approvals
for
this.
In
addition
to
working
with
the
coastal
commission,
they
have
an
active
application
with
them
that
they're
doing
concurrently.
G
With
this,
so
the
site
looks
quite
different:
now
they
remove
the
landscaping
and
the
framing
members
are
Exposed
on
the
duplex.
You
know
you
could
see
on
the
bottom
right
of
the
slide,
and
the
project
would
do
a
number
of
things
to
upgrade
the
status
of
the
building.
The
condition
of
the
building,
so
actually
I
think
I
skipped
go
to
this
one
first,
so
on
the
left.
Top
top
of
this
slide
is
the
single
family
residence.
G
Most
of
the
work
has
already
been
completed
to
that
building
because
there's
there's
some
minor
changes
that
would
be
made
in
addition
to
what's
been
done,
but
most
of
the
work
has
already
been
permitted
under
that
staff
waiver,
but
I
showed
it
in
the
slide
just
so
you
can
compare,
and
then
the
bottom
of
this
slide
shows
that
there
would
be
a
patio
with
a
retaining
wall
down
to
cover
that
non-original
Foundation.
G
That
would
go
into
the
public
right
away,
so
they
need
an
encrosion
or
permit
for
that.
The
stairway
leading
to
the
duplex
you
know
above
the
garage
would
be
widened
to
provide
a
code
compliant
current
Stairway
to
that
duplex
unit.
Currently
is
too
narrow
and
just
doesn't
mean
building
and
safety
requirements
so
that
that's
a
change
to
be
making
also,
in
addition
below
that
stairway
would
connect
the
building.
So
they
need
a
culture.
Heritage
permit
to
get
an
exemption
from
the
non-conforming.
Ornaments
staff
supports
that
because
it
encloses
the
area
where
you
can't
see
it.
G
So
it's
it
maintains
the
footprint
of
the
buildings
in
a
place
that
you
can't
see
from
the
street
there's
a
number
of
changes
that
would
be
made
just
to
repair
the
the
site.
G
So
wherever
original
components
of
the
buildings
could
be
saved,
they'll
be
doing
that
according
to
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards,
there's
some
alterations
that
they
would
be
making
to
actually
restore
original
features
like
the
window,
design
on
the
duplexing
and
the
second
level
that
also
there's
site
landscaping
and
hardscaping
work
that
they're
doing,
including
like
restoring
the
condition
of
the
coastal
Canyon
vegetation.
G
So
overall
I'm
gonna
go
to
this
overall
staff
supports
this
project.
The
applicant
has
provided
a
historic
analysis
report
that
goes
into
depth
of
how
this
project
is
consistent
with
Secretary
of
interior
standards
overall
improves
the
condition
of
the
property
condition
of
the
neighborhood,
and
with
that
staff
recommends
approval.
A
Okay,
we
will
say
none
I'll
open
up.
Oh
I
have
a
question:
did
this
went
to
drfc
correct
it.
G
A
Sure
would
the
applicant
like
to
speak
on
the
project.
A
Okay
come
on
up.
You
have
three
minutes
from
when
you
begin
and
then
afterwards
you
wouldn't
mind
filling
out
a
blue
speaker
card
for
the
secretary.
Thank
you.
H
H
We
started
this
project,
I
would
say
our
permits
were
issued
like
early
May
and
thankfully
we
were
able
to
do
some
of
it
and
some
of
it
we
ran
into
issues
on
on
the
garage
side.
Basically
Behind
the
Walls.
It
was
pretty
rotted
out
and
we've
figured
that
it
needed
to
be
rebuilt
and
kind
of
did
an
emergency
effort
to
fix
it.
H
Thankfully,
it's
it's
safe
now
and
it's
a
pretty
rad
property
and
it's
worth
saving
I
think
a
lot
of
people
would
look
at
it
as
nearly
a
tear
down
and
to
us.
We
wanted
to
kind
of
preserve
it
and
restore
it.
H
I've,
driven
by
this
place,
hundreds
of
times
and
always
thought
it
had
a
lot
of
potential
and
it
kind
of
came
to
me
by
way
of
just
manifesting
it
and
and
I
eventually
bought
it
from
the
owner
and
he's
since
been
back
there
and
seen
what
we've
done
and
really
thought
it
was
pretty
awesome
as
well,
and
so
we're
really
looking
forward
to
putting
it
back
together
and
buttoning
it
up.
H
It's
been
kind
of
sitting
half
finished
and
we're
excited
to
finish
it
and
add,
like
a
really
nice
addition
to
that
part
of
town
and
it'll
be
all
nicely
landscaped
and
nice
walls
and
you
can
kind
of
see
what
we've
done
in
the
front
house
and
the
direction
that's
going.
That's
already
really
nice,
but
the
other
portion
of
it
is
just
sitting
there
ready
to
to
go
and
we're
ready
to
put
it
back
together
and
make
it
really
nice.
So
thank
you
guys
for
the
opportunity
and
thanks
for
letting
me
speak
on
it
too.
H
A
A
Is
there
anyone
else
that
would
I'd
like
to
open
the
public
hearing?
Sir
I
see
a
hand
you'll
con
up
and
speak.
You
have
three
minutes.
Please
fill
out
a
blue
speaker
card
afterwards.
J
Sure
thing:
I'm,
I'm,
Shane,
Hershman,
I'm,
actually
running
for
city
council
as
well,
but
I
happen
to
live
across
the
street
from
this
building,
so
I've
seen
it
and
seen
Christian's
work
and
I
trust,
no
one
better
than
him
to
kind
of
do
it.
He
has
a
great
portfolio
of
properties
that
he
represents
and
I
think
he's
going
to
do
a
really
great
job
with
it.
So
I
fully
support
it.
J
One
thing
to
bear
in
mind,
though
there
is
a
creek
there
and
there's
like
a
family
of
hawks,
so
just
be
mindful
of
the
Hawks
when
you're
building
and
it
might
not
be
a
bad
idea
to
put
a
owl
barn
owl
box
up
there,
because
there's
actually
a
lot
of
rats
that,
like
in
that
Creek
area,
so
that
would
be
kind
of
a
natural
way
of
controlling
that.
But,
aside
from
that,
I
think
he's
going
to
do
a
great
job
with
it.
So
I
just
came
here
to
support
it
as
a
neighbor.
A
E
Built
all
right
go
ahead:
I
don't
see
anybody
jumping
in,
but
we
reviewed
this
previously
and.
E
Christopher
Wright
did
a
very
good
job
on
evaluating
this
project
and
putting
together
the
presentation
on
it,
and
we've
had
another
property
that
we've
reviewed
with
this
applicant,
and
it's
obvious
that
he's
in
favor
of
our
interest
in
maintaining
our
historic
buildings
in
town,
and
we
appreciate
that
very
much
and
I
can
certainly
make
all
the
findings
that
Christopher's
put
in
the
report
and
I
am
certainly
in
support
of
it.
A
K
Sure
Mr
chairman
I'll
go
ahead
and
move
staff
recommendations
that
number
one
the
project
is
categorically
exempt
from
SQL
requirements
and
that
we
adopt
resolution
pc22-024,
approving
the
heritage,
cultural
heritage,
permit
H,
CHP
21-332
and
the
encroachment
permit
22-317
a
watch
duplex
subject
to
the
attached
conditions
of
approval
on
the
resolution.
The.
A
Okay,
moving
on
the
next
public
hearing
is
and
for
the
record
we'll
note
that
Cecilia
joined
us
welcome
next
public
hearing
specific
plan,
Amendment
Spa,
21-229,
specific
fund
amendments
for
Forester,
Ranch,
Marblehead,
Coastal,
Marblehead,
Inland,
Rancho,
San,
Clemente
and
Talega.
L
L
L
First,
the
definitions
for
major
and
minor
repair
services
were
modified
to
consider
most
Auto
Repair
uses
as
minor
repair.
While
we
redefine
major
Auto
Repair
uses
to
include
owning
those
establishments
that
handle
hazard,
waste
materials
and
thus
requiring
specific
permits
for
such
establishments.
L
That
would
then
allow
the
city
to
review
those
projects
with
discretion
through
the
requirements
of
a
conditional
use
permit,
and,
secondly,
staff
updated
Provisions
related
to
the
screening
of
vehicle
display
services
and
equipment
to
require
screening
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
any
residential
zones
within
one
thousand
feet
of
the
property
where
an
auto
service
use
is
located.
This
was
changed
to
address
the
concern
raised
by
the
Planning
Commission
that
screening
from
any
residential
Zone
may
prove
to
be
too
difficult
or
impossible,
given
the
varying
Topography
of
the
business
in
industrial
park
districts.
L
So
with
that
considering
the
material
presented
in
the
staff
report
and
the
attachments
to
the
staff
report,
staff
is
recommending
the
Planning
Commission
adopt
resolution
pc21-019
recommending
the
city
council
approved
specific
plan.
Amendment
21-229,
as
presented
in
the
draft
city
council
resolution,
provided,
as
exhibit
6
of
the
Planning
Commission
resolution,
and
that
concludes
staff's
presentation.
M
So
I
was,
as
we
kind
of
read
through
everything
and
when
we
talk
about
I
I
would
like
to
well.
Let
me
ask
you
this:
when
we
talk
about
major
vehicle
repair
and
Minor
vehicle
repair
in
major
is
anything
that
would
generate
treat
store,
dispose
of
hazardous
waste
but
minor.
We
could
have
shops
that
that
that
do
lubrication
services
and
that
kind
of
thing.
What's
the
difference.
L
The
goal
is
to
not
preclude
certain
certain
Auto
uses
that
would
that
would
be
repairing
vehicles
that
would
be
possibly
considered
using
or
handling
treating
hazardous
waste,
and
we
want.
We
want
them
to
go
under
a
certain
discretionary
process
for
at
least
our
engineering
division
to
review
in
in
order
to
see
if
we're
having
any
environmental
impacts,
and
so
but
there
was
a
planning
commissioner,
during
the
study
session
that
mentioned,
there
are
some
uses
such
as
detailing
that
may
involve
paint
that
we
wouldn't
want
to
require,
having
conditional
use
permit.
M
So,
like
can,
can
you
talk
about
what
the
hazardous
waste
materials,
as
defined
by
the
California
health
and
safety
code
might
be?
Would
that
include
oil.
B
Commissioner
Davis,
if
I
could
jump
in
the
way
that
they
that
this
section
of
the
specific
plan
is
written
is
intended
to
identify
a
class
of
minor
repair
services
that
are
expressly
identified
since
many
Automotive
Pros
Services
include
some,
they
tend
to
include
some
type
of
materials
that
need
to
be
treated.
B
B
There's
a
minor
class,
that's
identified
expressly,
and
then
the
major
repair
would
be
basically
anything
else
that
you
can
do
to
a
a
vehicle
that
involves
hazardous
materials,
which
which
would
be
things
that
this
that
the
state
would
regulate
related
to
particulate
matter,
especially
coming
from
products
with
like
vocs,
volatile
organic
chemicals,
oils
coolants
things
of
that
nature.
The
way
that
this
is
written
is
essentially
every
Everything
could
potentially
qualify.
B
M
N
L
A
L
So
we,
let's
see
so
we
do
have
options
for
certain
dealerships
or
sales
or
rentals
of
vehicles
to
include
a
minor
vehicle
repair
service
on
site.
But
if
an
establishment
was
to
an
establishment
that
wasn't
a
dealership
or
in
the
in
the
realm
of
selling
Vehicles,
if
they
wanted
to
include
Minor
vehicle
repair
on
site,
that
would
be
a
separate.
L
That
would
be
a
separate
business
or
establishment
of
an
existing
one.
And
we
don't
really
have
yeah.
B
Yeah,
if
I
could
just
jump
in
the
short
answer
is
unless
there
is
like,
unless
there's
a
business
type
where
the
code
would
allow
for
an
ancillary
repair
facility
as
part
of
a
different
type
of
business.
B
Essentially
he
the
code.
The
specific
plans
do
not
provide
for
Fleet
repair
as
as
part
of
an
existing
business,
so
they
would.
They
would
have
to
be
classified
as
something
within
the
code
and
unless
there's
some
type
of
exemption
for
that,
as
an
ancillary
use
which
is
not
included
in
our
specific
plans,
there
would
be
no
exemption
for.
A
A
I
have
another
question
regarding
the
screening
on
item
two
on
page
four
they
were
talked
to,
but
now
it
now
it's
kind
of
it
shortened
it
from
any
ability
to
see
to
see
something
from
a
public
right
away
to
not
visible
from
a
public
right
away
or
residential
uses
within
a
thousand
feet
of
the
establishment.
A
L
We
looked
at
the
site
when
first
we
started
low,
250
500
feet
and,
as
we
were
looking
around
the
certain
lots
that
could
have
an
automobile
use,
it
seemed
that
there
we
still
wanted
to
keep
it
at
least
not
visible
from
certain
Residential
Properties
that
are
within
the
specific
plan
area
and
they
do
tend
to
abut.
L
The
residential
zones
tend
to
have,
but
some
of
the
parcels
that
may
have
Auto
uses
on
them,
and
so
a
thousand
feet
was,
was
allowing
it
to
give
us
some
leeway
to
make
it
not
so
it
had
to
be
from
any
residential
lot,
but
still
keep
it
a
certain
standard
in
there
that
would
allow
more
residential
or
allow
more
Auto
uses
in
the
area.
We
think
if
you
were
to
lower
it,
it
may
have
the
potential
of
causing
nuisance
to
some
Residential
Properties.
L
A
A
E
Yeah
I've
got
one
question
or,
and
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
it
and
I
don't
expect
to
get
one
this
evening,
but
in
other
jurisdictions
I've
seen
when
they
have
something
like
this,
they
will
identify
a
quantity
of
hazardous
material
like
less
than
10
gallons,
so
they
aren't
moving
around
50
gallons
of
drums
of
carburetor
cleaner
or
anything
that
if
it
does
fall
off
a
forklift
and
Spills
is
a
big
issue
and
if
you
could
research
that
and
see
what
other
jurisdictions
have
come
in
with
or
maybe
engineering
or
somebody
knows
that,
because
for
trapping
hazardous
materials,
if
there's
a
spill,
it's
a
lot
easier.
E
If
you
just
drop
a
you
know,
gallon
can
of
carburetor
cleaner
versus
tipping
over
a
50
gallon
drums,
so
that
may
be
a
way
to
help
Define
the
two:
what's
major:
what's
minor
yeah.
E
B
Commissioner
Crandall,
if
I
could
speak
on
that
the
The
Code
Compliance
division
has
takes
care
of
the
city's
water
quality
enforcement,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
those
types
of
differentiations
are
are
when
we're
talking
about
Source
material
entering
a
storm
drain.
Our
don't
necessarily
help
between
what
is
a
major
and
what
is
a
a
minor
violation.
Literally.
B
Anything
that
has
the
potential
to
affect
a
storm
drain
is
something
that
not
only
does
the
city
are,
we
concerned
about
it
because
it
it
goes
through,
goes
to
our
beaches,
but
the
Metropolitan
water
district
and
the
South
Coast
water
quality
district.
B
There
we
have
permits
that
require
us
to
maintain
enforcement
related
to
storm
storm
water
quality,
and
so
any
any
use
that
has
a
potential
to
affect
that
dealing
with
any
amount
of
chemicals.
The
city
really
has
a
has
a
has
an
interest
in
making
sure
that
we're
able
to
effectively
regulate
those,
and
so
we
would.
B
We
would
prefer
that
we
are
not
putting
certain
classes
that
only
deal
with
a
you
know,
a
small
amount
of
matter
into
a
special
category
when
they
potentially
have
the
same
same
capacity
to
affect
our
water
quality
standards
as
one
with
more
material.
It
doesn't
take
a
lot
to
to
affect
our
storm
drains.
However,
if
what
you're
asking
is
for
us
to
for
staff
to
look
into
this,
it
should
should
this
move
forward.
B
If,
if
you'd
like
staff,
to
look
into
this
to
provide
this
information
to
the
council
for
their
consideration,
staff
is
more
than
willing
to
do
that.
But
the
simple
answer
is
we're:
trying
to
parse
out
differences
in
volumes
of
hazardous
material,
it
can
get
a
little
bit
can
get
a
little
bit
burdensome
when
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
you
either
have
it
or
you
don't
and,
and
this
tent
the
same
regulations
tend
to
apply.
C
B
M
P
P
B
Yes,
that
that
is
that's
our
understanding
as
well.
The
Orange
County
Fire
Authority
does
review
with
the
city's
building
license
applications.
There
are
some
uses
that
are
buy
right.
B
That
may
have
hazardous
material,
not
Auto
related,
but
the
Orange
County
Fire
Authority
will
review
the
business
licenses
which
which
in
some
instances
may
be
the
only
permit
from
the
city,
that's
required
for
a
new
business
to
to
operate,
and
so
they'll
review
those.
And
if
they
see
a
type
of
business
that
has
a
hazardous
material
flammable
materials,
then
they
will
they'll
contact
the
business
owner
to
ensure
that
they're
providing
the
right
kinds
of
those
yellow
boxes
that
protect
those
types
of
materials
from
combusting.
Should
there
be
a
fire
because.
E
And
I
want
to
make
sure
and
I
think
Adam
can
address
this
one,
but
she's
been
code
enforcement
that
yes,
it's
looked
at
during
the
permitting
phase.
E
E
Enforcing
the
state,
water
quality
management-
I,
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
B
So
a
lot
of
our
code
related
to
storm
water
quality
reflects
the
state
codes
on
that.
I
can
tell
you
with
when
we're
dealing
with
a
project
that
has
gone
through
a
discretionary
permit
process.
Our
code
provides
for
enforcement
of
of
businesses
or
or
operations
that
are
operating
out
of
compliance
with
a
city
issued
approval
or
permit,
and
so
those
projects
where
we
have
conditions
of
approval,
the
violation
of
a
condition
of
approval,
is
something
that
we
can
enforce
against
as
well
and
so
on.
B
Those
types
of
projects
where
there's
a
high
likelihood
that
there
could
be
contamination
related
issues.
We
would
build
that
into
the
conditions
of
approval
to
ensure
that
those
are
not
likely
to
be
met
and
should
they
occur.
We
have
enforcement
capability
to
enforce
the
provisions
of
our
permits
and.
B
Sharing
or
planning,
or
which
the
utilities
department
would
would
typically
deal
with
issues
that
could
affect
the
storm
drains
or
the
sewer
system,
and
also
waste
disposal.
P
As
you
see
when
I
was
on
the
coastal
committee
for
those
three
or
four
years,
and
that
communities
exist
anymore,
the
I
think
it
was
public
works
or,
like
you
said,
the
utilities
department.
Actually,
they
would
be
reactive
because
there
were
quite
a
few
complaints
every
month
on
either
discharges
into
the
sidewalks
or
curbs
or
whether
it
was
residential,
industrial
or
commercial.
But
there
also
with
some
proactivity
on
especially
like
the
industrial
areas
that
there
would
be
because
I
noticed
there
would
be
some
citations
on
just
proactive
visits
where
people
weren't
handling
their
chemicals
correctly.
C
J
E
Just
to
make
sure
that
whether
it
needs
to
be
in
here
or
not
because
I
don't
know
the
quantities
it
would
be
or
the
connection
against
it.
E
L
B
I
recommendation
staff
would
be
comfortable
with
a
as
part
of
any
recommendation
that
staff
investigate
the
the
the
volume
of
hazardous
material
issue
with
the
appropriate
City
departments
and
partner
agencies,
and
provide
additional
information
on
opportunities
to
address
that
as
part
of
this
specific
plan
Amendment.
These
specific
plan
amendments
to
present
to
council
as
part
of
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
I
would
be
comfortable
with
that.
A
I
go
ahead,
commissioner,
Cosmo.
K
Does
it
because
there's
quite
a
few
different
moving
parts
right
and
we're
focused
on
some
of
the
detail,
but
I
think
if
we
zoom
out
a
lot
of
this
is
just
to
bring
our
general
plan
and
our
Coastal
land
use
plan
can
make
them
consistent
so
that
when
we
go
to
the
coastal
commission
with
our
local
Coastal
program,
everything
lines
up
so
a
lot
of
this
is
a
is
make.
Is
consistency
in
making
everything
line
up
and
all
the
specific
plans
match
the
general
plan?
K
So
that's
what
a
lot
of
this
is
doing
and
I
think
that's
just
important
to
point
out
that
the
staff
is
making
good
progress
towards
our
LCP,
which
is
really
important,
and
so
I
wanted
to
just
acknowledge
that
this
is
a
good
good
step.
The
other
thing,
too,
is
just
as
with
anything
once
it's
opened
up.
You
know,
there's
some
things
that
the
staff
has
tried
to
incorporate
with
that.
K
Some
of
it
is
to
incentivize
the
operations
or
of
Automotive
dealerships
and
so
forth
to
perhaps
relocate
to
the
business
park
and
I
I
appreciate
that
I
think
it's
the
challenge.
If
you're
on,
if
you're
on
El
Camino,
that's
a
lot
of
I,
that's
a
high
traffic
and
you
probably
want
to
stay
there,
but
to
the
degree
that
I
think
we
keep
the
barrier
low
for
them
to
relocate
is
a
good
thing
and
I
was
the
one
that
spoke
to
that
last
time.
K
You
know
we
want
to
encourage
them
to
move
off
of
El
Camino
and
go
into
the
business
park.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
encouraging
that
and
I
also
want
to
recognize
and
appreciate
the
fact
that
I
asked
for
delivery
centers
to
be
added
and
that
I
see
that's
added
so
like.
If
we
had
like
Tesla
wanted
to
do
a
delivery
Center
in
San
Clemente,
where
people
could
just
come
and
pick
up
their
car,
we
would
permit
that
that
would
be.
K
A
Did
I
mention
one
thing:
real,
quick?
You
can
and
then
I'd
love
to
hear
your
motion,
my
two
cents,
I'm
supportive
I,
think
I.
Think
A
lot's
gone
into
this
and
I
think
it's
a
lot
has
gone
into
it.
That's
understating
it
and
I
think
it's
really
good.
A
My
personal
opinion
is
that
the
thousand
feet
requirement
for
screening
is
farther
than
it
needs
to
be
I'm.
Not
you
know,
gonna
make
a
big
fuss
or
anything
if
people
don't
agree,
but
if
there
was
agreement,
I
I
would
be
happy
to
see
that
be
recommended
shorter.
But
with
that
I'm
happy
to
entertain
a
motion,
what's.
A
M
J
D
B
Commissioners,
if
I
could
just
remind
everybody
to
turn
on
their
microphones
when
they're
speaking,
their
green
light
is
on
then
they're
on.
If
the
red
light
is
on,
then
they're
off.
A
I
I
appreciate
that
comment.
A
L
Yeah
there
was
no
data
involved
with
coming
up
with
a
thousand
feet.
It
was
a
a
conservative
inclusion
into
the
the
standard
of
the
policy,
so
I
think
if
you
wanted
to
lower
it
even
somewhere
between
500
and
a
thousand,
that's
not
going
to
cause
any
issues
like
yeah.
Again
there
wasn't
any
detailed
data
to
go
along
with
that
a
thousand
feet,
but
Kyle.
L
B
Also
in
the
specific
plans,
there
is
not
going
to
be
a
situation
where
that
would
occur
and
I
will
just
say
that
we
were
looking
at
the
visual
impacts
here
and
the
visual
impacts
of
storing
you
know
a
large
amount
of
vehicle,
so
the
the
thousand
feet
would
would
essentially
provide
an
adequate
distance
from
which
something
like
this
could
be
visible,
but
that
that
that's,
the
Baseline
that
we
were
operating
under
so
staff
would
support
whatever
the
Planning
Commission
deems
appropriate.
A
But
we're
talking
about
in
the
back,
presumably
in
the
back
of
commercial
properties,
probably
tilt
up
properties
that
are
20
to
25
feet,
tall
you're.
Looking
at
that,
you
see
that
now
what
we're
really
talking
about
is
what's
stored
at
the
ground
level,
probably
behind
the
fence
right,
whether
that's
a
number
of
cars
or
a
couple
lifts
or
something
like
that.
But.
B
Potentially
that
that
would
that
that
would
most
likely
be
the
likely
scenario.
However,
in
staff's
research
and
in
Communications,
with
with
potential
applicants
on
this
type
of
project,
we've
we've
identified
that
some
properties
May
opt
to
construct
a
building
with
a
rooftop
parking
area
which
would
have
a
different
type
of
visual
impact
for
residential.
You
know
it
might
be
one
thing
to
look
at
the
top
of
a
building,
but
it
might
be
another
thing
to
effectively
see
look
at
a
sea
of
vehicles.
B
That
was
those
are
the
those
are
the
the
the
aspects
of
a
potential
project
that
we
were.
We
were
looking
at
Mr.
B
E
E
Maybe
the
fences
are
eight
foot
I,
don't
know
what
the
actual
height
is.
That
would
be
visible
and
are
currently
visible.
E
Is
there
a
restriction
for
them?
I'm
not
sure
a
car
is
less
objectionable
than
a
car
is
probably
less
has
less
impact
than
those
yards
where
they've
got
debris
and
supplies
and
stacks
of
materials
and
all
are
we
treating
these
differently
than
the
other
businesses.
B
Well,
outdoor
material
storage
areas
are
required
to
be
screened
from
any
view
from
a
public
right-of-way.
Knowing
that
and
knowing
the
business
park
there,
there
may
be
some
properties
that
are
not
compliant
with
that.
However,
businesses
are
required
to
maintain
their
operations
within
an
enclosed
structure
and
there
are
exemptions
from
that
if
they
screen
their
equipment,
their
storage
areas
and
and
again
that
is
to
to
protect
public
views.
P
Know
my
comment
here
would
be
is,
since
it
already
says,
all
of
those
potential
uses
cannot
be
visible
from
the
pro
public
right-of-way.
That's
probably
the
most
restrictive
in
most
situations,
but
if
you
had
a
place
like
if
Amazon
came
with
their
distribution
center
and
if
across
the
little
Ravine
was
about
which
there
is
a
housing,
you
know,
project
across
the
thousand
feet
may
give
them
protection
from
just
looking
at
a
whole
bunch
of
trucks.
You
know
parked
in
the
parking
level
before
they
had
a
hill.
P
A
I,
don't
I
think
we
probably
discussed
it
enough.
I
was
going
to
say
suggest
why
don't
we
take
a
straw,
pool
and
see
what
people
think
and
then
whoever
wants
to
make
a
motion
can
make
a
motion
based
on
go
ahead.
E
Is
this
line
of
sight
from
at
the
same
elevation
or,
if
you're
up
a
ridge
looking
down
on
this
thing,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
screen
it
with
a
fence
or
anything,
and
there
probably
are
line
of
sites
that
are
elevated,
looking
down
on
things
that
are
within
a
thousand
or
within
500
feet
here,
but
certainly
within
a
thousand.
B
The
topography
does
yeah
the
Topography
is
is
factored
in
here.
That
I
will
say
that
the
the
business
Parks
were
designed
in
a
way.
I
I
don't
want
to
say
they
were
they
were.
It
was
like
the
hillside
preservation
ordinance,
but
they
were
designed
in
a
way
to
to
not
stick
out
to
not
stick
out
amongst
the
various
topographical
areas
that
are
at
a
higher
elevation
and
they're
and
they're,
and
the
way
the
Landscaping
occurs
around
the
perimeters
they're
they're,
generally
screened
from
lower
elevations.
B
B
What
we're
talking
about
is
that
they
adequately
screen
those
areas
and
that
can
be
done
in
a
number
of
ways,
and
the
business
Parks
already
have
a
lot
of
examples
of
how
to
how
to
screen,
because
just
as
I
mentioned
when
you're,
when
you're
outside
of
the
business
park,
they're
they're,
not
that
easy
to
see
I
mean
it's
not
until
you
get
into
the
business
park
that
you
really
understand
how
much
of
a
business
park
there
is
in
these.
In
these
locations.
M
M
B
Yeah
I
am
not
aware
of
any
front
yards
that
face
directly
to
the
business
Parks.
B
If
they're
behind
the
building-
and
they
would
be
visible
in
that
case,
if
they're
on
top
of
the
building,
they
would
be
visible
if
they
were
on
top
of
the
35
feet.
So
what
we
would
anticipate
most
likely
would
be
a
building
that
has
a
parapet
wall
where
their
their
view
of
those
cars
is
blocked
from
the
public
right-of-way.
But
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
the
view
is
blocked
from
a
residential
property.
That's
in
an
outlying
area,
an
example
could
be.
B
The
Talega
business
park
has
properties
across
Avenue
to
Pico
that
are
at
or
in
some
instances
above
the
the
elevation
of
the
business
park,
and
it
would
just
be
ensuring
that
the
the
storage
of
vehicles
on
those
properties
doesn't
doesn't
create
a
situation
where
you
have
residences
that
appear
to
be
across
the
street
from
a
car
park
like
a
like
a
like
a
Car
Country.
B
M
M
B
Yeah,
so
the
the
individual
operators
are
going
to
need
to
determine
how
to
how
to
show
their
cars.
We
wouldn't
anticipate
I
mean
it
could
be
a
possibility,
but
it
seems
most
likely
that
the
delivery
centers
especially,
are
going
to
have
an
area
where
they're
more
showing
off
the
cars
than
on
a
rooftop
deck.
A
Okay,
I'm.
B
Is
it
by
right
now?
No
so,
we've
we've
identified
Auto
related
uses
and
in
a
number
of
categories.
Kyle,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
yeah.
L
44
goes
over
the
vehicle
rental
sales,
but.
A
C
I'm
comfortable
making
with
emotion
before
I
make
the
motion
Adam.
Can
you
tell
me
if
my
staff
recommendation
wording
is
correct?
C
Recommendate
recommend
that
staff
revisit
the
issue
of
the
volume
of
Hazard
Hazard
materials
with
the
appropriate
City
department
and
make
recommendation.
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
then
I'll
make
a
motion
to
adopt
stack
staff
recommendation,
adopt
resolution
pc21-019
recommending
the
city
council
adopt
a
specific
plan,
Amendment
21-229.
B
So
for
the
record
was
that
commissioner
Cosgrove,
that
seconded
yeah.
A
You
were
a
I
support.
Okay,
thank
you.
C
A
Passes
7-0
next
item
housing
element,
rezoning
program,
zoning
code,
amendments
to
be
consistent
with
State
housing
laws.
O
O
The
city's
six
cycle,
housing
element
for
the
reporting
year
of
2021
2029
identifies
various
programs
that
the
city
will
pursue
to
promote
opportunities
for
new
housing
for
all
economic
levels
and
those
with
special
needs
included
among
these
programs
are
the
six
zoning
ordinances
before
you
today
and
state
law
and
the
San
Clemente
Municipal
Code
requires
that
the
Planning
Commission
to
review
and
make
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
on
the
proposed
zoning
code
amendments
and
for
the
next
six
slides
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
the
changes
per
ordinance
and
their
attachment
one
through
six
in
the
staff
report,
so
for
the
density,
bonus
and
other
affordable
housing
incentives,
we're
changing
the
under
the
purpose.
O
The
purpose
of
this
section
is
to
allow
density
bonuses
and
other
affordable
housing.
Incentives
to
qualifying
projects
in
accordance
with
state
law
and
Item
B
is
density,
bonus
and
affordable
housing
incentives
and
the
density
bonus
and
other
affordable
housing.
Incentives
requires
that
the
state
law,
including,
but
not
limited
to
the
government
code
65915,
shall
be
available
to
applicants
on
the
terms
and
conditions
specified
in
state
law.
O
O
There
are
multiple
changes
here:
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
them
kind
of
quickly,
so
it
requires
the
city
to
allow
certain
adus
to
be
higher
up
to
18
or
25
feet,
depending
on
the
situation
requires
that
the
city
front,
step
back
requirement
to
yield
to
certain
adus
require
the
city
to
justify
a
denial
for
a
full
set
of
detailed
comments,
describing
the
deficiencies
in
the
application
and
explaining
how
to
remedy
them.
Remove
the
automatic
reappeal
of
the
2025.
O
Now
the
Adu
statue
is
permanent,
prohibit
this
prohibit
the
city
from
denying
an
application
to
create
an
Adu
solely
because
Corrections
are
needed
to
address
non-conforming
zoning
conditions,
building
code
violations
or
on
permitted
structures
Elsewhere
on
the
law
and
do
not
present
a
threat
to
the
public
health
safety
and
are
not
affected
by
the
construction
of
an
Adu
and
in
instances
where
a
junior
Adu
will
share
a
bathroom
with
the
primary
dwelling.
O
The
city
must
require
the
junior
Adu
to
have
an
interior
entry
to
the
primary
dwelling,
which
is
the
main
living
area
dependent
dependent
on
the
exterior
entrances
of
the
junior
Adu
and
the
primary
dwelling
for
ordinance
number
four.
The
low
barrier,
navigation,
Center,
so
low
barrier
means
incorporating
best
practices
to
reduce
barriers
to
entry
and
may
include,
but
not
limited
to
the
following:
the
presence
of
Partners
the
presence
of
Partners.
O
And
under
ordinance
number
five,
this
is
for
supportive
and
transitional
housing
updates
to
zoning
ordinance
definition
for
Supportive
Housing
and
transitional
housing
to
match
how
these
terms
are
identified
in
state
law
and
specified
that
Supportive,
Housing
and
transitional
housing
are
considered
residential
uses
of
the
property
and
subject
to
those
restrictions
that
apply
to
other
residential
dwellings
of
the
same
type
and
the
same
Zone,
and
clarifies
that
the
Supportive
Housing
is
a
use
by
right
in
all
zones
where
multi-family
and
mixed-uses
are
permitted
and
ordinance
number
six,
which
is
the
last
one,
is
a
residential
care
facility.
O
So
State
licensed
facilities
will
be
required
to
obtain
administrative
operating
license.
That
will
be
subject
to
a
streamlined
administrative
review
to
be
contained
in
title
V
under
our
business
license
and
regulations
and
when
required
by
state
or
federal
law
facility
facilities
serving
six
or
fewer,
are
exempt
or
exempt
from
and
considered
a
residential
use
of
the
property
and
a
single
family
for
the
purposes
of
title
17,
which
is
our
zoning
code
and
for
secret
determination.
O
The
zoning
amendments
are
exempt
from
the
California
Environmental
Quality
act,
as
stated
in
the
staff
report
and
in
the
resolution,
and
staff
recommends
that
the
Planning
Commission
adopt
resolutions
provided
in
attachment
one
through
six,
which
one
determines
the
project
exempt
from
sequa
and
recommends
that
the
city
council
adopt
the
density,
bonus,
emergency
shelter,
parking
accessory
dwelling
unit,
low
barrier,
navigation,
Center,
supportive
and
transitional
housing
and
the
Residential
Care
Facilities
ordinances
respectively.
And
that
concludes
staff's
presentation.
Thank
you.
C
A
Sadly,
Sarah
I
have
a
question:
can
you
please
explain
I,
don't
know,
maybe
in
different
words
or
maybe
a
little
slower
or
something
about
low
barrier?
Q
Okay,
quick
question:
I
I
know
you're,
so
yeah
I
can
talk
on
the
mic.
My
name
is
Ryan
Staker
I'm
with
the
city
attorney's
office
and
I
help
staff
prepare
this
this
package
of
ordinances,
so
Mal
and
I
spoke
beforehand
and
I
offered
to
slide
into
this
seat.
When
the
commission
considered
this
item,
okay,.
M
Just
to
I'm
just
learning
right,
just
learning
everything
here:
is
it
kinda,
in
light
to
what's
happening
with
affirmative
action
right?
How
that
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
affirmative
action
being
turned
over
or
lessened
or
whatever
in
a
lot
of
colleges
right.
So
my
question
is:
that's
like
a
state
or
federal
law
right.
M
So
if,
if
the
state
law
requires
something,
do
we
need
to
as
a
city
change
our
municipal
code
to
align,
because
what
I'm
I'm
curious
about
is
say
the
state
changes
or
lessens
their
requirements
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
our
city
has
a
municipal
code
that
we
ordinance
that
we
have.
That
is
now
stronger
than
the
states
requirement,
and
then
we
have
to
go
through
this
whole
process
to
unturn.
What
we're
doing
today
is
it
required
that
we
change
our
ordinances
to
align
with
the
states.
Q
It's
a
great
question
for
a
number
of
these
ordinances,
for
the
exact
reason
that
you
identified.
They
incorporate
state
law
by
reference
so,
for
instance,
the
density
bonus
one.
It
cites
you
know
chapter
and
verse
to
the
density
amount
of
Statute,
so
the
state
routinely
updates
it
sometimes
multiple
times
a
year
and
instead
of
you
know
in
the
old
times,
then
everyone
would
have
to
go
back
and
keep
doing
it,
but
by
incorporating
it
by
reference.
If
and
when
the
legislature
changes
it,
it
gets
changed
if
they
repeal
it.
Q
It
really
is
important
for
cities
Desiring
to
exercise
as
much
local
control
as
possible
to
have
ordinances
that
are
that
are
up
to
date
with
the
state,
Adu
law,
otherwise
you're
kind
of
left
to
operate
under
the
state's
default
settings,
which
you
know
don't
go
as
far
as
the
the
law
allows
cities
to
go
so
it
is,
it
is
situational,
but
where
possible,
and
for
the
exact
reasons
you
mentioned,
the
the
the
consensus
is
and
the
trend
among
cities
is
to
incorporate
a
lot
of
these
state
law
by
reference
into
the
codes.
I
Commissioner
Davies,
if
I
may,
Cecilia
Gallardo
Daly
community
development
director,
the
the
the
initiation
or
the
Genesis
of
all
of
these
code
changes
coming
before
you
is
our
housing
element.
I
The
city
actually
recently
received
certification
of
its
housing
element
from
the
State
Department
of
Housing
and
Community
Development,
and
there
are
programs
in
that
housing
element
that
say
that
the
city
will
comply
with
state
law
in
all
of
these
different
areas
and
I
think
it
is
a
little
bit
of
safeguarding
on
the
part
of
hcd
to
make
sure
that
jurisdictions
are
mindful
in
implementing
state
law
the
way
they
should.
So
it's
a
reminder
for
us
to
do
what
we
can
at
the
local
level
to
satisfy
the
requirements
of
the
state.
K
Just
wanted
to
make
a
off-color
comment:
I
I
just
find
it
extremely
hypocritical
that
our
state
government
routinely
defies
our
federal
government
and
their
loss
routinely,
and
yet
they
mandate
that
we
must
follow
theirs.
K
I,
don't
know,
but
I
sure
wish.
There
was
a
way
we
could
not
follow
theirs
in
the
same
fashion
that
they
don't
follow
the
federal
laws.
But
my
understanding
is
the
consequences
are.
If
we
do
not
do
this,
they
will
revoke
our
permitting
ability.
Is
that
right.
Q
Yeah
there
there
are
consequences
for
the
housing
element
and
then
there's
also
consequences.
You
know
on
an
ordinance
by
ordinance
basis,
depending
on
the
subject
matter
and
and
the
scenario
with
whether
it's
an
applicant
or
or
someone
of
yeah.
If
the,
if
the
city
isn't
compliant
with
state
law
there,
there
are
consequences
that
that
would
that
would
follow.
Yeah.
K
So
I
don't
think
anybody
wants
to
do
these.
It's
just.
It
literally
is
being
forced
down
our
throats.
K
So
and
there's
no
way,
we
can
and
I
know
the
incorporation
by
reference,
because
I
looked
at
every
one
of
these
to
make
sure
I.
K
The
government
code
was
actually
cited,
not
just
this
not
just
the
bill,
and
so
and
I
saw
that
you
did
that
and
so
that
that's
how
I
fig
that's
how
I
figured
this
is,
but
there's
no
yeah
and
when
I
read
some
of
the
government
code,
it
all
starts
out
with
local
municipalities
will
do
the
following
and
it's
and
they
also
have
boundary
limits
that
you
cannot
do
and
runs
around
it.
I
mean
they've
thought
about
this
pretty
clearly
and
they
limp.
K
They
explicitly
prohibit
us
from
saying
something
on
the
bonus
density
from
say,
putting
let's
say
a
minimum
in
they've
defined
all
that
in
the
government
code.
So
all
we
are
all
we're
left
to
do
is
just
be
subject
to
it.
So
I
think
that's
just
important
for
the
for
the
record
to
reflect
that
were
simply
doing
what
we're
told.
C
And
I
think
we
ran
into
the
issue
with
the
memorial
care,
with
the
bonus
density
that
it
was
not
updated
in
our
in
our
own
code.
So
we
didn't
have
the
update
in
our
packet,
though
I
think
we
were
all
pretty
well
versed
in
the
the
new
law,
the
bonus
density.
So
yes,
it
is
it
all.
It
is
all
being
forced.
P
I
think
how
you
change
it
is
you
have
to
change
the
balance
of
power
in
Sacramento
yeah
yeah,
because
there
are
certain
there
are
certain
assembly
people,
but
there
are
some
City
organizations
that
are
thinking
about
litigation,
especially
when
the
Adu
came
around
but
we'll
see
where
that
goes.
But
I
think
it's
important
that
our
housing
element
has
been
approved,
because
if
you
read
I,
don't
know
how
many
LA
times.
But
there
was
a
big
article
on
what's
happening
in
Santa
Monica.
P
That
they're,
because
Santa
Monica
does
not
have
an
approved
I,
don't
know
if
they're
against
it
or
what's
going
on
in
Santa
Monica,
but
they
don't
have
an
approved
housing
elements
or
rewards
to
the
state
and
there's
one
developer.
Who's
got
four
projects
and
he
could
build
over
I
think
it's
2300
apartment
units
buy
right
because
they
don't
have
their
their.
P
P
The
time
said
by
state
right
so
anyways,
but
the
whole
game
is,
you
know:
Superior
power,
the
feds,
the
state,
the
county,
the
city.
If
the
upper
agency
says
then
that's
the,
but
the
court
could
say
something
different.
If
there
is
a
case
to
so,
we
have
to
prove
it.
K
I
wonder
if
there's
value
analysis
of
the
staff,
if
we-
and
maybe
you
do
this
already-
if
we
do
track
the
number
of
times
that
we
are
doing
approvals
of
of
the
state
Implement
of
these
state
laws
so
that
we
can
say
yes,
we've
had
to
approve
this
many
adus
we've
had
to
approve
this
many
types
of
other
projects.
Do
we
track?
That
is
that
a
metric
that
we
have.
I
We
we
do
track
that
one
of
the
things
that
the
State
Department
of
Housing
and
Community
Development
requires
is
that
we
submit
an
annual
report
that
identifies
how
well
we're
doing
with
the
implementation
of
our
housing
element,
and
it
requires
reporting
related
to
adu's
number
of
dwelling
units
Residential
Care
Facilities.
All
the
the
list
of
programs
in
the
housing
is.
K
There,
since
the
overarching
finding
we
have
to
make
even
in
light
of
these
government
code
regulations,
is
Public
Safety.
K
Is
there
value
in
trying
to
put
some
more
definition
around
what
we
consider
Public
Safety
an
example-
and
this
is
my
personal
feeling
and
Others
May-
disagree
if
and
I'm,
just
using
the
most
recent
application
that
we
are
referencing
as
an
example,
in
my
mind
to
you
know
in
my
mind,
when
the
parking
was
not
was
they
want
an
exception,
and
my
feeling
was
that's
a
safety
issue.
K
If
no
one
can
park,
there's
no
parking
Alternatives,
that's
forcing
people
to
park
off-site
across
the
street
do
other
things
that
are,
you
know,
potentially
dangerous,
because
there's
no
available
parking
I
mean.
Is
there
any
value?
If
we
were
to
put
some
more,
you
know,
definitions
of
we
consider
these
things,
health
and
safety,
so
that
it
would
be
easy
for
us
to
to
make
findings
and
say
you
know
what
that
is.
Not
that
does
not
meet
our
criteria
for
health
and
safety.
N
Good
evening
Jennifer
Savage
assistant
to
the
city
manager,
there
are
some
instances
that
state
law
actually
allows
a
local
jurisdiction
to
do
certain
actions
such
as
a
an
area
parking
study
to
determine
that
there
is.
There
is
an
issue
and
not
Grant
a
parking
exception.
However,
that
specific
example
does
not
apply
to
all
of
the
mandates
by
step
by
the
state.
K
Because
one
of
the
frustrations
I
had
in
our
last
go
around
was
there
was
a
fair
amount
of
ambiguity
around
what
what
we
could
ask
for
what
we
could
do,
what
what
the
state
was
telling
us.
We
had
to
do
and
I
think
Claire
having
more
clarity
around
you
can
ask
for
this
coming
from
the
staff.
I
think
in
particular
would
be
helpful,
because
I
didn't
feel
like
I
felt
a
little
bit.
The
Challenge
to
you
know,
do
my
own
research
and
figure
out
okay.
K
These
were
sort
of
the
parameters
that
I
think
were
being
pushed
on.
This
is
too
far,
but
it
was
on
my
own
research
and
I.
Don't
feel
that
there
was
guidance
coming
to
say
these
are
your
options
to
push
back
or
to
look
at
how
the
or
this
is
a
framework
upon
which
you
can
consider
some
things
in
the
public
interest
of
Pub
of
the
Health
and
Welfare.
So
I'm
just
curious.
K
If
there's
things
that
we
can
do
to
try
and
create
our
own
San
Clemente
standards
for
public
health
and
safety,
that
means
we
don't
have
to
reinvent
the
wheel
every
time,
just
throwing
that
out
for
thoughts
and
and
staff.
You
know
mainly
because
if
we
come
from
you,
so
what
are
your
thoughts
on
that
are
yeah.
N
So
short
answer:
it
is
sometimes
you
have
the
ability
to
address
specific
standards
related
to
San
Clemente
standards.
Would
the
Planning
Commission,
like
the
staff
in
Community
Development,
to
provide
a
study
session
on
the
state
density,
bonus
law.
M
I
read
it
I,
don't
know
personally
I
think
at
each
application
or
each
situation
I
want
the
options
to
be
presented.
I
think
to
the
commission,
because
there's
no
way
I'm
going
to
remember
everything
of
your
department,
everybody's
Department
here
so
I
I
think
we're
asking
for
options
at
time
of
presentation,
type
I.
K
I'm
just
suggesting
me
if
there,
because
I'm
just
looking
up
to
the
professional
staff
here
to
say
if
you
and
your
professional
judgment
feel
that
there
are
a
framework
that
we
can
incorporate,
that's
we
can,
we
can
either
have
as
guidelines
or
codify
in
terms
of
our
interpretation
of
public
health
and
safety,
that,
if
you
feel
like
that
there
is
a
framework
we
could
put
together
that
then
could
be
drawn
upon
by
Commissioners
and
council
members
for
their
reference,
so
that
they're
not
just
out
on
their
own
to
try
and
figure
it
out
with
all
the
various
competing
interests
talking
at
you
contradicting
each
other
with
their
interpretation
of
what
you
can
or
cannot
do.
K
K
You
think
that's
worthy,
then.
Maybe
then
that
could
be
just
expressed
as
a
planning.
Rec
commission
recommendation
that
you
know
the
staff
be
considered
to
look
into
public
health
and
safety
framework
for
reference
in
considering
any
of
these
making
to
make
findings
on
any
of
these
types
of
situations.
If,
if
that
makes
sense
to
you
all
too
yeah.
B
B
B
I
did
I
did
want
to
speak
to
commissioner
Cosgrove
and
just
let
you
know
that
we
have
a
number
of
city
regulatory
documents,
beginning
with
the
general
plan,
that
I
did
touch
on
a
lot
of
the
topics
that
you're
discussing
now
that,
along
with
Council
direction,
that,
along
with
the
precedent
of
the
what
the
Planning
Commission
has
reviewed
in
the
past
and
the
direction
that
they
like
to
go
tends
to
inform
staffs
proposal.
B
While
there
generally
are
going
to
be
a
menu
of
options
when
it
comes
to
these
types
of
laws
that
the
state
is
requiring
us
to
to
adopt.
The
Men
We
Will
typically
bring
a
a
conservative
version
of
those
of
the
the
most
conservative
version
of
that
of
that
menu,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
our
general
plan
really
informs
what
the
city
desires
and,
based
on
that,
we
will.
We
will,
you
know,
provide
a
recommendation
now,
there's
also
when
it
comes
to
these
types
of
laws.
B
There's
consultation
with
our
City
attorney,
because
you
know
the
liability
of
the
city
is
something
that
we
need
to
consider.
What
I
will
say
is
that
there
are
many
times
where
the
staff
will
bring
an
actual
menu
of
options
for
the
planning
commission's
consideration
when
the
direction
is
not
quite
so
clear.
K
I
think
that's
good.
I
would
like
to
see
that
done
routinely
because
and
I'm
not
trying
to
talk
negatively
about
anything,
but
we
have.
The
our
city.
Council
is
elected
by
the
general
public.
There's
no
qualifications
other
than
you're
a
resident
and
of
a
I
can
think
over
18..
So
you
don't
need
to
have
knowledge
of
the
general
plan.
You
don't
need
to
have
planning
knowledge.
You
don't
need
that
you
can
get
on
the
city
council.
If
you
get
majority
votes.
K
Therefore,
it
is
really
incumbent
on
our
professional
staff
to
provide
the
guide
rails
for
our
elected
officials
to
know
where
they're,
where
they
can
go
and
where
they
can't
go
and
to
the
degree
that
that
is
lacking
it's
a
disservice
to
the
community,
because
they
don't
have
the
background
to
know.
This
is
what
the
general
plan
policies
are
and
we
live
it.
So
you
know
and
I
look
I
look
with
great
respect
as
to
you
know,
commissioner
Crandall
who's
been
here
over
10
years.
Who
has
this
stuff
off
top
of
his
head?
K
Where
I
have
to
you
know,
spend
weekends
you
know
going
through
the
manual
and
trying
to
does
this
apply
and
it
sometimes
can
be
an
Easter
egg
hunt
to
try
and
figure
out.
Where
are
these
policies?
You
know
the
documents
are
three
four
inches
thick
and
they're
they're
not
easily
searchable,
and
so
I
really
I
feel
strongly
that
our
professional
staff
needs
to
take
that
burden
of
responsibility
to
have
those
Frameworks
for
not
just
us,
but
really
the
council,
because
they
don't
always
have
the
background
and
their
job
is
complex.
K
K
What's
not
and
I
and
I'm
just
going
to
be
candid
and
say
I
feel
like
that's
been
lacking,
and
so
to
me
this
when
I
feel
when
I
read
this
come,
you
know
coming
down
from
the
state
and
you
start
to
feel
that
helplessness
of
lack
of
control
over
your
own
destiny
as
a
community
I'm
find
myself
looking
for
opportunities
for
us
to
okay.
K
Well,
what
can
we
control
and
if
we
can
control
our
general
plan
and
we
can
control
the
policies
that
we
we've
adopted
and,
quite
honestly,
having
sat
here
now
for
I,
don't
know
over
a
little
over
a
year
now,
I've
come
to
really
respect
all
those
that
have
served
before
me,
who
have
taken
their
time
to
step
up
and
serve
the
community
and
build
our
general
plan
document.
K
It
is
good,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
there
and
you
know
when
I'm
out
in
the
community
I
will
run
into
people
who
actually
served
on
the
general
plan
committee
back
in
the
Centennial
plan
days,
and
they
talk
affectionately
about
spending
weeks
at
months
dedicated
to
just
you
know,
spending
hours
discussing
a
paragraph
and
how
important
that
was,
and
so
I
think
it's.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
those
documents
are
really
respected
and
that
the
policies
that
are
as
stated
in
there
were
thought
out.
K
They
were
fought
over,
and
so
we
can't.
We
can't
neglect
that
I
think,
and
so
it's
really
incumbent
on
on
and
I
think
we
did
our
best
to
interpret
things
and
bring
that
to
the
council's
attention.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
I
observe
this
council
meeting
they're
looking
to
our
City
attorney,
they
look
to
staff.
What
can
we
do?
What
does
the
city
policy
say?
K
If
that's
what
you
need
to
do
that
to
do
that
homework
and
get
those
ready,
then
let's
do
it
because
I
think
it's
very,
very
important.
So
that's
I'm,
sorry
to
get
on
the
soapbox,
but.
B
There's
no
disagreement
with
that
stance
at
all
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
that
for
this
type
of
project,
if
there
were
a
menu
of
options,
the
only
other
options
that
staff
would
feel
comfortable
recommending
would
be
less
restrictive,
be
to
to
provide
even
more
latitude
beyond
what
the
state
is
is
minimally
requiring
from
the
front
that
the
cities
do.
K
D
Know
I
think
that's
very
well
stated
more
than
I
was
probably
gonna
get
to
and
I
think
you
know
we
had
this
test
case
recently.
This
Memorial
Care
Project,
which
I
think
revealed
a
lot
about
the
lack
of
understanding
and
certainly
to
the
level
that
it
could
be
conveyed
to
us
about
what
our
options
are.
So
when
you
say
you
know,
we
provide
the
most
conservative
options,
I
mean.
What
does
that
mean?
Is
that
it?
You
know,
because
this
particular
project
was
a
complicated
one
right.
D
It
had
a
lot
of
different
moving
Parts
we're.
You
know
we're
talking
about
zone
change,
we're
talking
about
a
lot
of
things
that
we
don't
have
the
authority
to
approve,
but
we
were
asked
to
make
recommendations
and
I
don't
feel
like
we
got
the
information
that
we
needed
to
adequately
do
our
jobs
here,
and
this
is
a
word
of
encouragement.
D
It's
not
a
complaint
per
se,
but
I
really
felt
that
our
hands
were
tied
on
this
one,
and
you
know
it's
a
good
test
case,
but
it's
an
important
one
because
it
impacts
a
lot
of
people
in
our
community
and
it
can
potentially
set
some
pressing.
I
mean
I
know
every
project
stands
on
its
own,
but
but
I
think
you
know.
D
C
But
there
were
some
surprises
that
that,
as
we
went
further
along,
that,
I
would
agree
with
that
that
we,
we
didn't,
have
all
the
information
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
felt
like.
C
We
went
through
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
when
it
was
pretty
much
a
done
deal
and
you
know
with
the
bonus
density
and
the
height
limit
and-
and
we
argued
all
those
cases
under
safety
and
yet,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
bonus
density
won
and
the
safety
issues
we
brought
up
were
were
not
of
concern
going
forward.
Yeah.
D
B
Commissioners,
if
I
could
we're
getting
a
little
bit
off
topic.
B
Potentially
I'll
let
Ryan.
Q
Oh
yeah
yeah,
you
beat
me
to
the
punch
we
are
agenda
is
to
this
evening,
and
this
topic
is
the
zoning
ordinances.
The
the
project
from
the
prior
median
is
beyond
the
scope
of
this
agenda
item,
so
the
brown
act
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
funnel
our
way
back
to
the
the
item.
That's
currently
before
the
commission.
Thank
you.
Q
Commissioner,
I
think
we're.
That
was
what.
P
That
the
Planning
Commission
adopt
the
resolutions
provided
attachments,
one
two,
three,
four:
five
and
six,
which
recommend
that
the
city
council
adopt
a
density,
bonus,
emergency
shelter,
parking
accessory
dwelling
unit,
low
barrier,
navigation,
Center,
supportive
and
transitional
housing
and
residential
care
facility
ordinances
respectively,
and
make
the
requisite
secret
findings
set
forth.
Therein.
B
We
were
just
discussing
the
possibility
of
a
study
session.
I
I
would
like
to
put
that
on
our
radar.
Is
there
a
desire
to
have
that
done
sooner
rather
than
later?
We
do
have
some
availability
in
the
next
couple
months
to
take
care
of
something
like
that.
What
I
would
like,
though,
is
potentially
and
individually,
are
questions
from
the
Commissioners
that
they
would
like
staff
to
address
related
to
potential
options,
presented
possibilities
or
information
about
how
much
our
hands
are
tied.
B
I
guess
if
there
are
specific
questions,
it'd
be
nice
to
get
those
be
able
to
put
those
together.
I
do
want
to
let
the
commission
know
that
we
are
looking
to
do
a
study
session
at
the
November
16th
meeting
related
to
traffic
transportation.
Engineering
from
the
public
works
department,
so
we
could
do
I
believe
it
would
be
the
December
third
meeting,
potentially
on
this
topic
and
I
believe
that
there's
a
last
meeting
of
December
would
be
the
20.
I
A
A
D
B
K
K
Maybe
we
could
just
leave
it
to
your
judgment
when
you
think
something's
coming
through
that
it's
going
to
fit
into
that
kind
of
category.
That's
significant,
maybe
to
pull
us
in
advance
and
say
this
is
coming.
Would
you
like
a
study
session
on
this
particular
government
code
and
have
a
conversation
about
that?
Maybe
we
could
make
it
based
on
that.
B
Okay,
so
would
the
commission
prefer
to
have
a
subject
Project,
Specific
or
subject
by
subject,
study
sessions
related
to
this,
because
this
is
this
is
my
concern?
Is
that
there
were
their
concerns
were
raised
by
the
Planning
Commission
tonight
that
they
don't
feel
that
they
got
as
much
information
as
they
would
like
to
have
had
from
staff,
and
our
general
plan
requires-
and
this
is
in
the
government-
governance
element-
that
staff
provides
timely,
complete
and
accurate
information
for
decision
makers.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
that
Mark.
B
C
C
Information,
it
would
have
been
helpful
with
the
last
large
project
that
we
were
looking
at
because,
as
we
went
further
on
and
peeled
back
the
layers
of
the
onion
there
were
more
questions
than
answers
and
and
having
a
representative
from
the
project.
Stand
in
front
of
us
did
not
help
me
personally
when,
when
staff's
presentation
was
given,
none
of
my
questions
were
addressed
in
staff's
presentation.
It
was
very
generic
and
then,
as
we
went
further
into
the
project,
we
we
all
had
questions
I.
Think.
E
I'd
like
to
dovetail
in
on
that
just
real
quick
if
we
could
include
somewhere
in
that
group,
it's
only
happened
twice.
I
think
since
I've
been
at
the
on
the
Planning
Commission
that
we've
done
a
project
where
everything
was
processed
simultaneously,
I
think
two
of
them
neither
of
them
went
smoothly.
E
I
understand
why
applicants
want
to
have
all
go
through,
but
I'd
like
a
study
session
to
at
least
talk
about.
If
we
try
to
process
a
whole
project
that
each
item
in
that
process
be
a
separate
resolution,
so
it
can
be
voted
on
separately
rather
than
one
vote
covers
absolutely
every
aspect
of
that
project.
E
E
D
Yeah
I
would
agree
with
that,
and
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
if
that's
something
that's
with
within
our
let's
say
jurisdiction
to
even
request
that,
because
we
didn't
seem
to
have
that
option
on
this
one.
Another
thing
I
might
suggest
is
that
you
know
we
give
ourselves
an
assignment,
so
we
don't
come
up
with
it
all
right
now,
but
over
the
next
week,
if
we
can
email
a
suggestion,
a
more
specific
suggestion
and
copy
everyone
and
kind
of
get
a
like
a
Strava.
As
you
like
to
say,.
B
B
Let's,
if
you
have
specific
questions
about
this
topic,
send
them
to
me.
I'll
address
them
at
the
next
Planning
Commission
during
my
reports
about
what
our
options
are
from
from
then
on,
but
as
I
understood
it,
what
we
were
what
commissioner
Cosgrove
was
alluding
to
and
what
Jennifer
Savage
discussed
was
having
a
study
session
to
talk
about
how
to
provide
options,
how
to
provide
that
information
and
the
reason
I
believe
that's.
The
case
was
only
because
well
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Yeah.
K
I
was
just
going
from
the
perspective
that
the
only
discretion
that
it
appeared
to
me
we
had
was
public
health
and
safety.
That
was
the
only
finding
we
could
make,
and
so
all
I
was
trying
to
get
at
is
well.
We
have
so
many
different
elements
in
our
general
plan,
where
that's
addressed,
that
it
gets
to
be
a
a
an
Easter
egg
hunt
to
try
and
locate.
K
Well,
where
are
the
policies
for
that
when
it
comes
to
parking
or
where
are
the
elements
to
that
when
it
comes
to
with
traffic
right,
and
so
what
I
was
looking
for
was
just
maybe
an
overview
of
what
those
policies
are
that
we
could
be
more
versed
on
it
and
more
comfortable
being
able
to
make
a
a
finding
that
that
is,
or
that
isn't
I
felt
a
struggle,
because
my
Common
Sense
was
telling
me
if
it's
under
parked
and
nobody
can
find
a
park
a
place
to
park
in
there's
no
on-street
parking
and
all
other
parking
is
tow.
K
B
K
The
other
thing
I'm,
sorry
just
before
I
forget
I-
would
like
to
have
a
study
session.
If
no
one
else
is
interested,
I'll
come
in
and
do
one-on-one,
but
I'd
like
to
see
a
demonstration
of
track
it
once
you
guys
get
that
system,
upgraded,
yeah,
I,
think
I.
Would
love
I,
think
it's
important
for
us
to
understand
its
capability
and
see
a
demo
and.
B
That
is
on
our
tentative
agenda.
It
has
not
gone
live
yet,
okay,
so
once
it
does,
I
will
have
staff
come
in
and
we'll
do
a
demo
of
traffic.
E
E
I
P
You
know
my
my
only
comment
would
be
is
when
I
was
a
previous
planning.
Commissioner,
another
city
first
thing
they
gave
me
even
before
the
meeting
was
missed
code
so
that
you
know
as
you're
going
through
things.
You
can
look
up
the
municipal
code
regards
to
traffic
or
whatever
and
make
your
own
opinion,
but
I
think
some
of
the
members
up
here
on
the
board.
P
You
kind
of
sell
yourself
a
little
short,
because
although
they
make
a
resolution,
you
got
the
authority
to
dissect
the
resolution
and
separate
it
if
you
want
they're
making
a
recommendation,
but
you
have
the
legislative
Authority.
If
we
wanted
to
separate
it,
we
could
I
made
a
determination
that
traffic
and
safety
you
know
was
the
first
one
to
say,
deny
so
I
think
we
had
more
than
enough
information.
We
don't
want
to
put
it
all
on
them,
I
mean
they
have
they
have
they
tell
us
what
the
code
allows.
P
If
we
don't
like
it,
that's
our
opinion.
If
it's
strong
enough,
then
we
tell
them
I,
don't
like
it
I'm
not
going
to
vote
for
it.
I
think
that's
what
happened
here,
but
the
council
for
whatever
reason
and
they
have
the
higher
authority
Superior
and
they
decided
otherwise,
and
sometimes
that
happens,
but
we
have
the
ability.
If
we,
if
we
don't
like
it,
we
can
say
no,
and
there
have
been
a
lot
of
times
where
I've
been
on
the
the
no
end,
but
they
do.
P
They
are
a
little
Shackled
by
what
the
code
allows
and
as
the
state
the
state
there
is
a
political.
What
do
you
want
to
call
it
force
in
the
state
to
take
away
local
zoning
ordinances?
There's
no
question
R15!
That's
what
we
used
to
call
in
down
here.
One
five
thousand
I
forget
what
we
call
it
here,
but
residential
medium
residential
light
that
kind
of
stuff
they're
Advocates
of
the
state
that
don't
want
that.
B
We're
kind
of
playing
into
so
if
we
could,
if
I
I
just
want
to
but
not
get
into
a
discussion
here,
but
just
say,
send
me
your
questions
right
and
I'll
I
can
review
them
by
the
next
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
provide
a
another
update.
At
that
time
we
can
say
no
stats.
That
sounds
great.
P
P
A
Okay
with
that
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn
or
a
motion
to
continue.
B
A
motion
to
adjourn
if
the
the
agenda
identifies
an
adjournment
to
6
PM.
If
you
could
adjourn
to
the
next
study
session
on
November
16th
at
5
PM.
So
here.
A
To
the
next
study
session
of
the
Planning
Commission
on
Wednesday
November
16th
at
5
PM
in
City,
Hall,
council
chambers,
second,
all
in
favor
aye
aye
opposed
this
meeting
is
adjourned.