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D
D
B
Good
evening,
I
called
to
order
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
of
today
Wednesday
October
19th
for
the
city
of
San
Clemente
and
we'll
start
with
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
Commissioner
Davis
is
going
to
lead
us
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
If
you'll
all
please
stand.
F
Commissioner
Crandall
here,
commissioner
Davis
here,
commissioner
mccacken
here,
commissioner
Prescott
Lefler
here
chair
Pro
tem
camp.
He
is
not
in
attendance
and
give
us
a
notice
that
he
would
not
be
Vice
chair
Cosgrove.
He
is
also
not
in
attendance
and
gave
us
a
prior
notice
that
he
would
not
be,
and
chairman
McCann
sure,.
B
B
Okay,
when
I
would
like
to
address
yours
first.
A
The
first
one
August
the
first
set
of
minutes
for
August
31st
I,
don't
believe
I
have
any
changes
for
that
one.
It
will
be
for
the
October
5th.
So
we
can
I'm
fine
with
the
August
31st
I.
Don't
remember
opening
that
meeting,
but
okay,
that.
B
Was
going
to
be
my
on
the
August
31st
meeting,
it
says,
commissioner
Crandall
called
the
study
session
to
order
I
believe
I
did
I.
Believe
that's
probably
true.
So
that
would
be
my
change
on
that
one.
Does
anybody
else
have
any
changes
on
August
31st,
okay,
on
August,
on
October
5th,
push
the
Cradle.
A
A
I
am
looking
for
page
here
commission
comments.
A
G
Thank
you
also,
on
page
six,
the
very
last
bullet
agreed,
the
percentage
of
affordable
homes
should
be
higher
than
eight
percent
offered.
According
to
my
notes,
that
was
true,
however,
I
added
without
addition
of
concessions.
So
if
we
were
reminded
that,
if
it
goes
to
ten
percent
that
additional
concessions
would
be
afforded
and
I
suggested
that
it
should
be
higher
than
eight
percent,
however,
higher
than
eight
percent
without
adding
the
additional
concessions.
B
Thank
you
and
then
my
comment
is
on
page
two
Item
B
approval
of
the
minutes.
It
talks
about
being
moved
by
commissioner
Cosgrove
executed
by
Crandall
Cosgrove
wasn't
in
attendance,
so
I
don't
so.
If
staff
could
please
review
and
see
who
the
appropriate
parties
were
on
that,
that
would
be
great
I
guess.
I
would
make
a
motion
to
move
approval
of
both
of
those
sets
of
minutes
subject
to
the
changes
discussed.
A
B
Next
is
oral
and
written
communication.
Is
there
anybody
here
in
the
audience
who
wants
to
speak
on
any
item?
That's
not
on
the
agenda
tonight.
B
You,
okay,
moving
on
consent,
calendar
no
items,
8A
public
hearings.
We
have
public
hearing
on
the
development
agreement
for
the
proposed
senior
housing
and
medical
office
development
agreement.
Do
we
have
a
staff
report.
F
Yes,
chair
McCann
Adam
and
tamian
Deputy
community
development,
director
I,
will
be
presenting
this
item
tonight.
Jennifer
Savage
is
not
available
and
I
will
do
that
on
her
behalf.
So
with
that,
the
item
before
you
is
a
development
agreement
for
a
project
proposed
at
654,
Camino
de
los
Morris
senior
housing
and
medical
office.
F
This
the
request
is
for
a
development
agreement
for
a
mixed
use,
project
with
254
rent
senior
residential
units
and
a
7
500
square
foot
medical
office.
The
subdivision
of
the
one
lot
into
two
rezoning:
the
property
from
Regional
medical
facilities,
one
to
community
commercial,
four,
changing
the
general
plan,
designation
from
Regional
medical
facilities
to
community
commercial,
and
it
includes
a
request
for
shared
parking
and
an
increase
in
floor
area
and
Concession
incentive
waivers
pursuant
to
State
density
bonus
law.
F
While
all
of
those
are
aspects
of
the
development
agreement,
The
Proposal
before
you
tonight
is
specifically
just
for
the
development
agreement,
which
would
stipulate
that
the
applicant
is
required
to
obtain
all
necessary
approvals
permits
and
entitlements
to
allow
the
the
proposed
project,
including
the
general
plan,
Amendment
zoning
Amendment
subdivision
of
the
lot
and
constructing
the
proposed
development.
F
The
the
required
findings
for
a
development
agreement
are
located
in
the
zoning
ordinance
section,
1716,
230
and
government
code
section
65
867.5
and
the
those
require
that
the
provisions
of
the
agreement
are
consistent
with
the
general
plan
and
any
applicable
specific
plan,
and
that
the
agreement
provides
that
an
a
tentative
map
will
comply
with
the
government
code,
section
6647
3.7.
F
F
Staff
report
identifies
the
general
plan,
consistency,
findings,
supporting
the
applicant's
request
for
a
development
agreement
and
the
resolution
that's
attached.
That's
attachment.
One
also
includes
those
findings
as
well.
The
applicant
is
here
and
may
wish
to
speak
on
this,
and
with
that
I
will
conclude
staff's
presentation
and
state
that
the
recommendation
is
to
recommend
determining
that.
The
proposal
addendum
to
the
eir
and
in
I'm
sorry
proposed
number
one
recommend
determining
that
the
proposed
addendum
involves
only
minor
technical
changes
to
the
2021
feir
and
would
not
result
in
any
new
or
increased
severity.
F
Significant
and
severely
significant
environmental
effects.
Beyond
those
identified
in
that
feir
and
to
adopt
resolution
pc22-023-
and
that
concludes
staff's
presentation.
I
am
available
for
any
questions
with
me
tonight
is
Cecilia
Gallardo
Daly
are
acting
interim
city
manager
can
also
answer
questions
on
this.
H
H
Good
evening,
our
understanding
is
that
this
is
largely
a
procedural
matter
tonight.
We
obviously
had
the
lengthy
discussion
at
the
October
5
meeting,
so
we're
certainly
not
here
to
repeat
that,
but
we
understand
that,
in
order
for
this
to
go
to
council,
this
is
something
else
that
needs
to
be
addressed
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
and
that
the
council's
preference
is
to
have
the
entire
package
before
it
when
it
considers
the
matter.
H
So
since
we
met
on
the
fifth
we've
been
working
with
our
design
team
to
address
many
of
the
comments
that
you
provided
and
that
others
provided
from
the
public
and
so
we're
continuing
that
effort
in
the
hopes
of
being
able
to
address
them
in
more
detail
at
the
council,
but
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
address
anything
that
the
commission
would
like.
But
really
our
understanding
is.
This
is
largely
a
procedural
requirement
this
evening.
B
Thank
you
as
long
as
Mr
Leary's
at
the
at
the
podium.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
for
him
specifically.
A
C
H
C
H
A
I
There
there
is
one
reference
to
the
medical
office
building
as
being
a
part
of
the
entitlements,
but
there's
no
discussion
of
the
medical
office
building.
I
H
Yeah
I
I
guess
one
to
further
respond
or
clarify
the
the
development
agreement
that
I
believe
was
included
in
your
package,
for
tonight
was
the
Forum
that
would
have
been
presented
on
October
5.
so,
for
example,
on
the
affordable
housing
component.
It
references
the
five
percent
number
instead
of
the
eight
percent
number
that
we
talked
about
on
October,
5.
I,
think
that
was
intentional
simply
to
to
maintain
consistency
with
what
was
submitted
and
not
to
go
in
and
start
making
those
changes.
H
But
we
understand
that,
particularly
if
we're
going
to
be
responsive
to
the
commission's
comments
or
those
that
we
can
be
responsive
to
that
there
will
be
edits
to
the
development
agreement
before
it
goes
to
council.
Some
of
that
will
affect
the
development
agreement.
Some
of
that
might
affect
the
conditions
of
approval,
but
that's
what
we're
working
on
right
now
and
working
with
staff
and
engaging
with
them
to
to
see
how
that
can
end
so
I
there
may
be
some
inconsistencies.
H
F
Do
we
go
ahead?
We
chair,
we
do
have
two
speaker
cards
on
this
and,
if
you'd
like
I,
can
okay.
B
A
I
do
this
is
for
Mal.
The
development
agreement
is
just
strictly
what
it
says.
It's
an
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
applicant,
but
it
is
not
required
to
approve
the
rest
of
the
project.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
supplementary
to
it.
A
Okay
and
I
was
curious,
are
you
or
what
the
process
was
of
negotiating
an
agreement.
J
I
was
not
involved
in
the
process,
but
I
know
generally
that
staff
and
their
opposites
with
Memorial
Care
were
involved.
The
attorneys
for
both
sides
were
involved.
It
was
a
a
month-long
process.
I
again,
I
was
not
directly
involved
in
the
process,
but
staff
and
management
from
San
Clemente
and
the
attorneys
from
both
sides
were
involved
in
drafting
it.
A
J
At
a
government
agreement
yeah,
it's
a
good
question,
a
D.A
vests,
the
the
project
applicant.
In
this
case,
you
know
when
they're
granted
permits
the
permittee
as
against
local
regulations,
but
we
don't
have
anything
to
do
with
state
regulations.
So
if
the
state
changes
things
that
could
affect
the
project
or
the
city,
we
can't
contract
around
the
state's
potential
to
change
those
regulations.
A
My
example
would
be
if,
if
they
change
right
now,
they
have
a
section
in
there
for
senior
housing
with
five
percent
affordable
if
they
drop
that
and
make
it
10
percent
or
something
higher,
would
that
apply
to
this
project.
J
They
be
in
the
state,
so
if
the
state
changes,
what
is
legally
required,
yeah,
if
it
if
it,
if,
if
that
requirement
is,
is
adopted
before
certain
approvals
are
granted
with
this
project,
then
we'd
have
to
apply
or
comply
with
those
requirements
from
the
state.
A
Now
I'm
looking
at,
if
they
say
you
don't
get
the
density
bonus
unless
you
have
10
or
some
other
number
than
the
five
that
they
have
now,
it.
B
A
G
I
Mr
chairman,
maybe
I,
can
help
out.
If
you
go
to
section
2.2
on
page
11
of
the
development
agreement,
you'll
find
medical
office
building.
C
H
C
Turn
that's
the
definition,
but
that's
one
question
why
20
years
and
it
brings
up
the
question
of
building
how
when
can
a
if
a
building
permit
is
issued,
when
does
it
have
to
be
exercised
before
it
expires?.
J
So,
in
terms
of
the
term,
this
really
gets
to
a
question
of
vesting.
So
the
proposed
term
here
the
vesting
length,
is
20
years
as
to
your
second
question,
with
the
building
permit,
what
what
matters
is,
whether
there's
anything
spent
in
furtherance
of
that
building
permit.
So
whether
or
not
the
building
permit
expires
once
a
building
permit
is
pulled
right.
J
So
let's
say
that
that
the
the
application
is
approved
by
the
council
hypothetically
right,
the
D.A
is,
is
is
passed
by
the
council
once
that
building
permit
is
pulled
and
any
amount
of
money
is
spent
in
furtherance
of
it.
This
da
will
vest
for
20
years
as
currently
written,
even
even
if
nothing
further
happens,
that's
pursuant
to
case
law,
so
the
the
building
permit
could
lapse,
but
because
money
has
been
spent
in
furtherance
of
that,
permit
that's
been
pulled.
The
vesting's
already
happened.
C
J
So
any
fees
in
the
agreement
would
be
applicable
for
the
life
of
the
development
agreement,
so.
H
I
apologize
for
the
lack
of
the
period
in
there
we'll
see
if
we
can
fix
that
one
too,
but
I.
There
may
be
a
misunderstanding
of
the
relevance
of
that
provision.
There's
a
provision
in
the
litigation
settlement
agreement
dating
back
to
2019
that
if
the
city
hadn't
rezoned
the
property
by
a
certain
date,
then
the
city
from
that
point
forward
would
have
to
reimburse
our
Organization
for
up
to
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
month
for
maintenance
and
security
security
costs.
So.
H
Paying
that
now
you
have
not,
the
city
has
not
been
paying
that
and
we've
been
operating
under,
at
least
through
January
of
this
year.
We
have
waived
that
provision,
because
we've
been
working
closely
with
staff
to
try
to
put
together
a
project
that
would
be
approved
and
and
would
would
eliminate
the
need
for
that.
The
proposal
and
what
the
development
agreement
reflects
is
that
once
this
development
agreement
is
signed
and
once
all
the
entitlements
invested,
what
Memorial
Care
is
doing
is
is
waiving
that
provision
in
its
entirety
both
backwards
and
forwards.
H
So
there
would
no
longer
be
any
obligation
for
any
prior
periods
or
any
future
periods
relative
to
that,
because
the
whole
point
of
that
provision
in
the
settlement
agreement
was
to
create
an
incentive,
if
you
will
to
make
kind
of
a
final
decision
on
how
are
we
going
to
resolve
this?
So
with
the
with
the
resolution
that
would
be
reflected
in
the
development
agreement
that
provision
of
the
settlement
agreement
would
go
away.
C
But
it
talks
about
the
owner
waiving
so
that's
where
I
get
confused
at
the
very
end
where
it
says
the
owner
waives
the
right
to
collect
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
month.
If
none
of
those
things
above
happen
correct,
if
you
don't
lose
your
entitlements
without
your
consent
to
have
the
project
go
forward
correct
once
again,
if
State
Law
changes,
you
get
consent.
Okay,
that's
all
right!
We're
still
going
to
go
ahead!
C
Usa
because
it
says
it's
talking
about
anything
that
could
possibly
happen.
Moratorium
suit,
appeal,
administrative,
correct
loss
of
entitlement,
I
mean
everything
correct.
So
if
you
lose
any
one
of
those
things
what's
the
operation
of
this
waiver
2.1.
H
H
J
J
C
C
J
Way
section
2.1
works
is:
is
the
obligation
to
pay
the
15
000
not
or
not
paid
hinges
on
the
granting
and
the
vesting
of
the
entitlements
right
so
once
assuming
the
council
would
approve
these
entitlements
again,
that's
the
hypothetical
we're
playing
with.
So
if
the
council
approves
the
entitlements
and
there's
no
referendum,
there's
no
initiative
anything
to
overturn
that,
regardless
of
what
the
state
does.
Those
entitlements
have
been
approved
right
and
at
that
point
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars
per
month
is
gone.
Okay,.
J
Entitlements
so
once
we've
entitled
this
property
right,
assuming
that
the
entitlement
goes
forward
regardless
of
what
they
do
with
their
building
permits,
the
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars
per
month
is
eliminated
pursuant
to
section
2.1,
because
the
D.A
would
be
in
effect.
C
J
Of
the
building
that's
correct,
because
the
only
obligation
that
we
have
as
a
city
in
order
to
push
push
away
that
fifteen
thousand
dollar
per
month
obligation
is
to
entitle
this
property
and
to
have
that
entitlement
remain
effective
right.
So
no
reference
referenda
Etc.
As
long
as
we
do
that
in
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars
is
gone
regardless
of
what
the
state
or
any
other
agency
or
entity
would
do.
J
It
depends
on
the
D.A
I've
I
have
drafted,
probably
a
dozen
DA's,
with
vesting
periods
of
20
years,
I've
also
drafted
DA's
with
five
years
with
10
years.
It
just
depends
on
the
project.
It's
a
negotiation.
C
C
C
I
Just
immunizes
the
development
agreement
against
an
initiative
or
a
referendum.
C
C
C
I
Well,
the
theory,
sir,
is
that
the
people
don't
have
any
greater
power
than
the
city
council.
So
if
there's
an
initiative
or
a
referendum,
the.
I
Sovereign
I
understand
that,
but
in
terms
of
the
legal
wherewithal
that
the
people
possess,
their
powers
are
not
greater
than
the
powers
of
the
city
council.
I
I
Well,
that
that
may
be
sir,
but
but
perhaps
there
wasn't
a
development
agreement
if
there
was
a
development
agreement
in
place
that
had
the
same
provision
that
this
development
agreement
has
and
that
most
development
agreements
have,
then
it
would
be
beyond
the
power
of
the
people
to
enact
an
initiative
or
a
referendum
that
would
contravene
the
provisions
of
the
development
agreement.
C
C
J
J
J
J
It
attempts
it
attempts
to
do
that.
It
tries
to
avoid
the
result
that
that
occurred
in
this
case.
So.
G
If
the
public
wanted
to
launch
an
initiative
and
gather
signatures
and
put
something
on
the
ballot,
because
it's
part
of
their
City,
this
wood
for
20
years,
prevent
them.
J
Well,
the
the
public
would
certainly
certainly
be
able
to
do
that.
They
only
have
a
a
very
short
period
of
time
after
the
approval
to
do
that,
so
it
wouldn't
prevent
them
for
20
years
that
that
initiative
period
is
only
for
a
very
short
window
of
time
after
the
approval.
So
let's
say
that
the
council
approves
this
hypothetically
in
a
month.
The
public
would
only
have
a
set
number
of
days
to
gather
signatures
in
order
to
bring
that
initiative.
So
this
wouldn't
apply
over
the
20-year
period.
C
I
A
F
I
D
I
D
I
C
I
Public
plebiscite
I
understand.
You
were
asking
earlier,
sir,
about
whether
or
not
there's
another
development
agreement
that
the
city
has
entered
into.
That
is
for
a
period
of
20
years,
I
represented
to
Lego
Associates
I
rep
I
negotiated
the
development
agreement,
in
fact
two
of
them
for
Talega
Associates.
J
So
annual
review
of
a
DA
is
required
by
the
government
code
and
it's
and
it's
embedded
into
every
every
da
until
the
development
agreement
is
no
longer
in
effect
which
which,
which
usually
happens
once
the
development
is
constructed
right
and
then
the
parties
will
agree
that
the
the
D.A
is
no
longer
effective.
That
annual
review
is
required
to
happen.
So,
yes,
until
until
the
the
building
is
constructed
and
the
D.A
is
no
longer
in
effect,
the
annual
review
will
happen
and
the
way
that
review
happens
is.
K
When
you're,
when
this
is
going
on
I'm,
just
trying
to
understand
who's
in
the
room
when
things
are
getting
to
go,
is
this
a
negotiation?
That's
happening
like
so
meaning?
Is
it
the
applicant
and
Personnel
from
the
city
with
no
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
you
guys
are
getting
to
this?
It
feels
like
a
little
bit
of
a
negotiation,
but
there's
nobody
from
the
planning
staff
or
the
city
council
involved.
It's
it's.
Staff
am
I
right.
J
Yes,
that's
how
a
development
agreement
is
is
negotiated,
so
you
have
planning
staff,
you
have
management,
and
then
you
have
staff
staff
from
the
developer.
Along
with
the
attorneys
it's
negotiated,
because
it's
a
contract,
it's
a
contractual
agreement.
Then
the
draft
terms
are
brought
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
counts,
which
is
what's
happening
right
now.
It's
nothing
that's
set
in
stone,
but
that
negotiation
happens
with
staff
from
both
sides
with
the
attorneys
and
then
it's
presented
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
Council.
J
I
Well,
commissioner,
first
of
all,
the
city
gets
relief
from
the
provisions
of
the
settlement
agreement,
so
there's
fifteen
thousand
dollars
a
month
that
accrues
to
the
city's
Side
Of
The
Ledger.
A
On
that
side
of
the
Ledger,
the
public
has
chimed
in
and
is
all
excited
about,
an
urgent
care
about
health
care
yada,
but
the
building
the
medical
building
is
always
just
called
medical
office
which
doesn't
require
a
conditional
use.
Permit.
Regular
offices
could
go
in
there,
there's
nothing
in
the
document
that
says
let
this
really
is.
I
A
B
I
D
F
K
F
So
there's
a
we'll
call,
there's
a
couple
aspects
here:
made
up
of
a
number
of
applications.
The
one
before
the
Planning
Commission
tonight
is
just
in
reviewing
the
development
agreement
and
then
there's
what
I'll
call
the
project
applications
which
are
to
change
the
land
use
designation
and
the
general
plan
change
the
Zone
in
on
the
zoning
map
and
to
provide
the
entitlements
to
actually
construct
the
building
and
provide
for
the
uses
that
they're
proposing.
That
is
all
that's
all
being
proposed
together.
F
So
there's
no
separate
zoning
what's
before
you
tonight
discusses
that
project,
because
that
project
is
is
part
of
the
applicants.
F
I'll
call
their
give
in
the
development
agreement,
but
it's
not
this
development
agreement,
and
nor
is
any
decision
you
make
tonight,
make
a
recommendation
to
rezone
this
property.
That
was
all
that
was
discussed
by
the
Planning
Commission
at
the
last
meeting
and
those
other
applications
were
denied
or
I'm.
Sorry,
they
were
recommended
for
denial
by
the
Planning
Commission.
A
I'm
confused
on
the
20-year
lifespan,
if
they
build
in
the
18th
year,
how
long
do
they
have
to
keep
the
medical
office
building
a
medical
office
building
the
way
you
stated
it?
It
sounds
like
two
years.
I
That
would
be
correct
if,
if
it
was
built
during
the
18th
year,
then
whatever
time
remains
until
the
expiration
of
the
development
agreement,
the
developer
would
be.
The
owner
would
be
required
to
maintain
the
building
as
a
medical
office
building
for
two
years.
Whatever
time
is
left
two
years,
okay,
so
the
benefit.
A
L
G
I
G
A
Last
question:
for
Mel
Mal:
did
you
receive
the
I
think
it's
177
Page
Letter
questioning
the
sequel
and
eir
findings.
A
And
since
it's
part
of
our
package
today
does
that
affect
the
staff's
recommendation
of
approval
of
the
negative?
That's
not
a
negative
DAC,
but
it's
a
saying.
We
were
exempt
from
yeah.
J
It's
the
addendum,
no
we're
we're
confident
with
the
approach
take
that's
being
taken
by
the
city
for
SQL
clearance,
okay,.
I
May
I
add
to
the
comments
or
in
addition
to
the
procedure
that
the
city
has
followed
being
Rock
Solid.
The
statute
of
limitations
is
passed
on
any
challenge
to
the
eir
that
was
certified
for
the
housing
element.
So
we
don't
see
any
chance
of
a
successful
secret
challenge.
B
I
have
a
question
or
two:
what
would
constitute
Mal
kind
of
fulfilling
this
D.A
like
if
they
pull
a
building
permit
if
they
get
a
CFO?
What
would
be
you
know.
B
J
Yes,
that's
that's
the
ultimate
achievement.
That's
that's!
That's
how
a
D.A
comes
comes
to
conclusion.
The
parties
can't
agree
prior
to
the
20-year
term.
To
conclude
a
DI
been
part
of
a
handful
of
DA's,
where
both
both
sides
have
decided
to
end
the
D.A
before
the
term
ends,
but
that
requires
an
ordinance
adopted
by
the
council
under
the
Equal
dignities
rule,
where
you
know
this
was
adopted
via
ordinance,
it
needs
to
also
be
ended
via
ordinance.
It
takes
some
work
to
conclude
a
D.A
many
DA's.
J
It's
it's
not
wise
for
either
party
to
conclude
the
agreement
before
the
the
end
of
the
term,
because
the
parties
still
benefit
from
from
that
term.
The
DA's
that
I've
I've
been
involved
in
where
the
term
ended
prior
to
the
20
years,
the
15
years,
whatever
it
was,
were
ones
where
the
public
benefit
was
achieved
in
the
first
few
years
of
the
D.A,
the
construction
was
accomplished
in
the
first
few
years
of
the
D.A,
so
the
vesting
wasn't
required
anymore.
J
B
J
Upon
granting
of
the
entitlements
that
are
being
requested,
the
entitlements
are
defined
in
the
agreement
and
and
and
so
the
granting
of
those
entitlements
is,
is
what
triggers
and
then
the
passage
of
any
referendum
period
right.
So
the
the
cementing
in
place,
if
you
will
of
those
entitlements,
is
what
triggers
the
elimination
of
that
fifteen
thousand
dollar
a
month.
Payment.
J
The
the
the
entitlements
has
defined
are
the
general
plan
Amendment
the
zone
change
the
investing
tentative
map,
architectural
permit
site
plan
permitting
conditional
use
permit
and
that's
what's
referenced
in
the
section
regarding
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars
once
once.
Those
are
granted
in
their
firm
in
place
and
no
longer
challengeable,
then
that
that
that
that
that
provision
is
operating.
What.
B
Okay,
do
we
have
any
speaker
cards
Master.
I
Chairman
before
you
go
on
to
the
hearing,
may
I
explain
why
20
years
is
the
norm
in
development
agreements.
I
Let's
suppose
that
the
development
agreement
was
for
a
period
of
five
years
at
the
sixth
year,
then
the
city
is
free
to
change
the
zoning
change,
the
general
plan
Amendment
or
change
the
general
plan
by
Amendment
and
take
other
actions
that
would
render
the
uses
at
the
property
legal
non-conforming
uses
and
under
almost
all
zoning
codes
in
California.
I
B
Mel,
do
you
agree
with
that?
I
guess
I'm
confused,
because
if
they
build
the
project
within
whatever
the
term
is
let's
say
it's
five
years:
the
project
is
built.
Then
it's
if
it
seems
to
me
that
that
would
only
be
the
case
if
the
project
isn't
built
or
they
try
and
build
it
after
the
term
expires.
But
once
it's
built
it's
built
in
its
legal
conforming,
even
if
they
change
it
afterwards,
it's
I
mean
it's
still
built
and
is
allowed
to
stay.
Yeah.
J
Yeah,
it
can
stay
if
the
city,
however,
would
change
change
the
zoning
after
it's
built,
then
it
does
become
a
legal
non-conforming
use
or
structure,
and
then
it
would
be
subject
to
our
legal
non-conforming
use
language
in
the
code
which,
which
makes
it
very
difficult
for
those
types
of
uses.
Legal
non-conforming
uses
to
expand
to
change,
uses
Etc.
So
it
just
ties.
It
ties
the
hands
of
a
use.
J
J
B
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
I'd
like
to
open
now
open
the
public
hearing
on
this
issue
and.
F
Chair
McCann,
we
have
two
speaker
cards
and
I.
I
will
read
off
the
names.
If
there
is
anybody
that
would
like
to
speak,
that
has
not
filled
out
a
card
cards
are
available
in
the
back
of
the
room.
Please
fill
one
out
and
you
can
bring
it
up
to
the
table
here.
F
F
D
We
are
in
support
of
this
project
when
I'm
speaking
tonight
only
regarding
a
small
aspect
of
it,
and
that
is
a
20-year
duration
of
the
development
agreement.
I
understand
there's
some
anxiety
about
that.
20
years
is
a
long
time.
However,
it's
my
understanding,
it's
that
Clause
is
only
there
in
case.
Some
unexpected
catastrophic
event
emerges
that
delays
Construction.
D
The
land
construction
is
not
anybody's
best
interest.
It's
not
in
the
city's
interest,
it's
not
in
the
developer's
best
interest,
and
we
believe
that
it's
very
unlikely
that
that
development
would
be
delayed
for
20
years,
and
so
we
urge
you
to
please
don't
let
the
20-year
portion
of
the
development
agreement
inhibit
your
recommendation
to
recommend
this
project
that
will
bring
great
benefit
to
seniors
of
San
Clemente,
with
the
housing
portion
and
to
the
Greater
Community,
with
the
medical.
B
Unfortunately,
this
is
not
a
q,
a
Thing
If.
You
raise
your
odd
I,
don't
think
your
timer
started.
Yet
you
have
three
minutes
to
talk.
Okay,
you
can
you
can
ask
a
thousand
questions,
we're
not
supposed
to
engage
in
a
back
and
forth
dialogue
with
you,
although
if
your
question
Peaks
our
interest
enough,
we
may
then
ask
it
after
the
fact:
okay.
L
It's
not
involved
in
my
thing
it's
just
when
I
was
listening
to
everything
going
on
here.
I
just
it
came
to
mind,
I
had
I,
guess
it
just
my
misunderstanding
of
what
a
development
agreement
is
so
okay,
I'll
start
my
section:
I'm
Thomas
Miller
I
live
at
two
Presa
del
Sol
in
the
sea,
Point
Estates,
the
neighbors,
who
have
participated
in
these
Memorial
Care
meetings
and
subsequent
Community
discussions
would
be
in
favor
of
development
of
the
654
to
Camino
de
los
miros
property
in
the
additional
senior
housing.
L
However,
the
size
and
scope
of
the
project
would
appear
to
be
too
large
for
the
location,
considering
density
parking
traffic
patterns
and
the
neighborhood's
atmosphere.
Also,
the
memorial
memorialcare's
long
list
of
requested
variances,
for
example,
the
height
fairies
alone,
may
set
a
troublesson
precedent
for
future
projects
in
the
community
says.
Remember
since
Memorial
Care
closed
our
hospital,
it
became
necessary
to
travel
to
the
hospital
in
Mission
Viejo
for
emergencies,
creating
potentially
a
dangerous
situation
at
certain
times
of
the
day.
The
traffic
on
the
I-5
freeway
increases
significantly.
B
B
I
think
your
timer
got
somehow
shortened,
so
why
don't
we
give
you
approximately
a
minute
left:
okay,.
L
It
could
because
it
could
increase
the
congestion
Camino
de
los
Morris,
resulting
further
delays,
as
ambulances
could
easily
get
stopped
due
to
this
Con
reconfiguration
of
the
new
center
mediums
and,
as
we
know,
there's
only
one
ambulance
available
from
the
fire
station
at
Camino
de
las
maras
across
from
Marbella.
L
This
seems
like
a
lot
of
additional
stress
on
the
access
to
music
emergency
hospital
care
affecting
our
elderly.
The
project
will
add
at
least
300
San
Clemente
seniors
to
the
numbers
living
as
San
Clemente
Villas
by
the
sea
and
our
neighbors
in
seapoint.
This
is
more.
This
is
that
is
a
lot
more
people
struggling
for
timely
Hospital
access
for
strokes,
heart
attacks,
Falls
Etc.
L
L
And
I
think
that
further
study,
an
analysis
if
warranted
before
decision
can
be
made
and
the
scope
and
size
of
this
project,
San
Clemente,
will
live
with
the
effect
of
this
decision
for
years.
Thank
you
for
your
attention.
Let's
ensure
that
our
San
Clemente
project
always
that
our
San
Clemente
projects
always
improve
the
city
and
the
lifestyle
of
our
residents.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mr
Miller.
B
M
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
John
Tafoya
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Southwest
Carpenters
Union
I,
live
in
Orange
County
and
we've
got
them
over
4
700
union
carpenters
that
live
in
the
city
and
the
surrounding
cities.
M
Here
I'm
here
to
asked
that
that
the
commission
make
a
couple
of
recommendations
for
this
project,
one
that
there's
some
kind
of
a
language
implemented
into
the
to
the
agreement
that
that
the
local
hire
requirement
we've
heard
about
the
traffic
congestions
nowadays,
emissions
like
I,
said:
we've
got
a
lot
of
Carpenters
that
live
here
and
in
surrounding
cities
that
got
to
do
a
two-hour
commute
to
to
Los
Angeles
to
work
two
hours
commute
to
the
Inland
Empire.
M
We
ask
that
there's
some
kind
of
language
in
here
that
gives
our
local
Carpenters
priority
to
to
work
in
our
cities
in
our
towns
to
where
we
can.
We
live
here.
We
work
here
instead
of
having
to
do
that,
to
our
commute
to
and
from
work
working
locally
would
give
the
opportunity
of
our
members
to
make
it
home
on
time
to
see
their
kids
practices
their
recitals.
M
It's
been
implemented
in
other
cities.
By
doing
so,
it
again
gets
Us
close
to
home.
It
lowers
the
emissions
nowadays,
you
know
the
the
the
emissions
collusion
is
a
big
issue
and
then
the
last.
The
second
thing
we'd
ask
to
recommend,
is
Implement
a
skilled
and
trained
Workforce
from
a
state
recognized
apprenticeship
program.
Again,
a
collaboration
with
local
high
schools
get
get
our
kids
from
the
city
from
local
cities
straight
into
a
a
trade
school.
If
they're
not
going
to
be
making
to
a
four-year
College.
M
G
J
It
it
wouldn't
preempt
it
it
would.
It
would
be
added
on
to
the
two
it
would
extend
the
20
years
for
as
long
as
that,
Force
measure
was
in
place.
Right.
They'd
have
to
request
that
the
force
measure
Clause
apply
to
the
D.A.
Then
we'd
have
to
agree
to
some
term
that
that
Force
measure
would
be
in
place
two
months
three
months
six
months,
depending
on
what
the
the
Act
was.
That
delayed
the
project.
Thank
you.
A
Get
us
right
something
I've
always
been
concerned
about
on
this
project
was
the
fact
that
we
really
have
two
projects
on
the
site:
we've
got
the
senior
housing,
we've
got
the
medical
building
and
it's
been
designed
and
tied
together,
where
you
can't
have
one
without
the
other
and
the
biggest
benefit
to.
A
A
We
were
mandated
by
the
state
to
acquiesce
to
their
standards
on
the
density,
bonus
issues
and
all
the
project
can
be
built
without
a
development
agreement
with
no
problem,
but
it's
to
their
benefit
obviously
have
it,
and
we
want
to
work
together
with
them,
because
we
want
the
project
to
be
successful
and
I
really
feel
to
be
successful.
A
The
two
buildings
shouldn't
be
dependent
on
each
other,
in
other
words,
if
they
find
that
they
can't
buy,
find
a
buyer
who
will
either
buy
or
or
manage
the
seniors
building
for
10
15
years,
but
they
want
to
build
the
medical
office
building
prior
to
that
this
doesn't
let
them
do
it.
A
It's
not
flexible
enough
to
with
the
parking
shared
parking
and
all
there'd
be
really
difficult,
and
we
can
put
something
in
the
OR
request
that
it
goes
to
city
council
to
include
the
requirement
that
the
two
be
able
to
be
developed
separately,
which
I
think
would
be
a
big
benefit
for
the
city.
A
A
Do
you
have
a
thought
on
I
mean
if
we
got
rid
of
the
shared
parking
agreement
and
let
the
commercial
one
Standalone
with
enough
parking,
it's
big
enough
to
have
the
parking
it
would
reduce
the
I
believe
it
would
reduce
the
size
of
the
lot
for
the
senior
building,
but
with
the
density
bonuses
available
to
them,
it
doesn't
say
they
can't
have
the
units,
because
we
aren't
approaching
the
limit
of
the
density
bonuses.
It
just
means
they'd
have
to
comply
with
the
parking.
J
Yeah,
it's
it's.
It
might
be
a
better
question
answered
by
a
planner,
but
it's
it's
not
when
you're
getting
into
the
details
of
the
actual
plan
of
the
actual
site
plan.
Those
typically
aren't
part
of
the
development
agreement.
They
can
be
referenced
in
the
D.A,
but
typically
those
those
stand.
Apart
from
the
D.A
right,
the
entitlement
package
will
be
separate
from
the
D.A,
albeit
linked,
but
you
typically
don't
don't
deal
with
those
kinds
of
details
in
a
development
agreement.
They
can
be
separately.
J
I
mean
it's
not
it's
not
on
this
evenings
of
dentists,
we
have
to
be
careful
what
kind
of
recommendations
we're
giving
that
said,
the
D.A
is
on
the
agenda,
and
that
gives
us
some
latitude
in
making
recommendations.
However,
we
typically
we
don't
design
a
project
or
reconfigure
a
project
in
a
development
agreement.
It's
just
it's
not
it's
not
really
what
it's
used
for.
A
Okay
and
then
for
discussion,
not
everyone
was
here
at
the
last
meeting
when
we
looked
at
the
project
standalone,
we
each
had
separate
and
sometimes
common
reasons
for
denying
it
if
this
is
in
complete
alignment
with
what
we
voted
on
last
time,.
A
B
My
suggestion,
commissioner
Crandall,
would
be
that
so
your
comments
and
all
of
our
comments
are
already
on
the
record,
and
so
it
sounds
like
you're
saying,
hey,
I,
I,
don't
see
how
I
could
recommend
approval
if,
if
those
things
aren't
Incorporated,
my
suggestion
would
be
that
at
a
minimum.
You
share
your
thoughts.
B
It
doesn't
have
to
be
the
second
you
could
we
can
come
back
to
or
whatever,
but
about
the
development
agreement
specifically
because
we
already
know
what
we
and
and
those
will
get
communicated
to
council.
So
the
council
can
have
the
benefit
of
your
thoughts,
but
they
don't
have
your
benefit
of
your
thoughts
on
the
D.A
itself
as
a
standalone,
so
30,
hopefully
reading
staff
report
and
watching
the
video
will
know
your
thoughts
on
the
other
stuff.
B
But
if
you
have
thoughts
specific
to
the
D.A-
and
this
goes
for
all
of
us-
you
know
I
think
Council
would
be
benefited
by
hearing
your
thoughts
on
those.
So
if
that
makes
sense,.
A
Sure
so
I
guess,
with
the
resolution
I
can't
make
a
finding
if
I
couldn't
make
the
findings
before
I
can't
make
the
findings
out
for
the
resolution,
but
I've
certainly
got
tabs
Galore
to
go
over
specific
things,
but
we've
all
hit
them
slightly
already.
So
I
think.
A
I'm
still
curious
how
Mal
we
can
say
in
one
place
in
the
I
think
it's
in
the
development
agreement
that
the
low-cost
housing
units
will
remain
for
40
years
or
some
number
I
think
50
was
battered
around
whatever,
but
on
other
things
they
disappear
in
20
years
when
the
development
agreement
expires
or
is
completed.
J
J
One
of
the
aspects
of
this
project
and
the
D.A
is,
is
a
requirement
of
affordable
housing
with
the
covenants
that
are
associated
with
that
affordable
housing,
which
covenants
in
this
case
will
be
restricted
for
for
40
years,
and
so
you
can
have
a
20-year
vesting
for
the
D.A,
but
that
D.A
requires
a
40-year
commitment
that
is
on
title,
which
can't
can't
be
broken,
so
those
that
that
40-year
requirement
isn't
subject
to
the
D.A.
It's
it.
It
stands
apart,
even
though
it's
part
of
the
project.
C
Well,
I
agree
with
commissioner
Crandall
in
a
lot
of
areas
because,
as
I
go
through
like
page
three
talking
about
you,
know,
consistency
findings,
I
can
find
a
lot
of
inconsistencies,
especially
when
it
comes
to
health
safety
that
have
to
do
with
traffic
and
parking,
and
this
DDA
supports.
You
know
the
plan
that
was
talked
about
last
time
and
just
that
that
there's
no
place
coming
out
to
de
los
Morris,
where
those
traffic
the
traffic,
can
turn
left.
C
C
So
when
it
comes
to
the
safety
and
it
talks
a
lot
about
we've
minimized
and
mitigated
potential
impacts
to
adjacent
properties.
I,
don't
think
that's
true
when
it
comes
to
traffic
and
parking
so
and
I
I,
just
don't
like
the
track
map,
because
neither
one
can
stand
on
their
own,
providing
their
own
parking
for
their
use,
and
this
property
is
big
enough
to
accomplish
that
where
they
don't
have
to
be
dependent
on
each
other.
C
That's
one
of
the
and
then
just
the
the
20-year
is
a
little
bit
sort
of
that
the
neighbors
could
have
to
put
up
with
the
problem
for
20
years,
and
you
know
it
says
medical
office
building,
but
there's
nothing
in.
There
says
that
in
the
development
agreement
says
it
has
to
be
Urgent
Care,
in
other
words
Emergency
Services,
which
a
lot
of
older
you
know
people
had
talked
about
are
Urgent
Services
rather
than
Emergency
Services,
because
there's
no
law.
Yet
that
says
you
can
have
an
emergency
room
without
a
hospital
right
on.
G
We
had
already
voted
on
on
the
last
time
with
our
comments
being
attached
to
this
to
the
council
I'm
In
conflict,
because
if
I
agree
on
this
then-
and
it
has
the
five
percent-
we
looked
at
the
eight
percent
who
actually
said
it
could
be
a
little
bit
higher.
But
we
didn't
I
didn't
want
to
trigger
the
concessions.
G
But
if
I
agree
with
this
we're
at
five
percent
again,
the
the
eight
percent
is
not
not
even
included
and
then,
of
course,
the
parking
issue,
so
I'm
In
conflict
and
it
seems
like
we're
giving
a
mixed
message
to
the
city
council.
If
we
approve
this
as
is,
and
yet
we
had
our
concerns
on
the
other
issue,.
B
J
B
B
J
B
So,
let's
assume
that
they
pull
a
building
permit
two
years
11
months
and
then
they
don't
do
anything.
They
don't
proceed
with
the
construction
at
the
expiration
of
that
permit,
then,
would
there
arrested
entitlement
go
away
without
some
reapproval,
so.
J
We're
playing
with
hypotheticals
here
you
have
to
be
careful,
so
if
they
pull
that
building
permit
and
they
have,
they
have
invested
something
in
furtherance
of
that
building
permit,
even
if
they
haven't
begun
construction
right,
but
they've
invested
some
money
in
furtherance
of
that
building
permit.
At
that
point,
their
project
is
vested.
J
J
The
bar
is
not
high
intentionally
so
as
set
by
the
courts
in
California.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you
if,
in
the
in
the
default
scenario,
let's
assume
no
D.A
is
approved
by
Council,
but
they
get
sued
for
the
for
the
for
the
project
and
then
that's
it.
You
know
enters
into
a
litigation
period
with
the
with
the
three
years
get
told
during
the
litigation
period
or
or
no
it
would
automatically
get
told.
Or
would
we
have
to
give
them
some
kind
of
approving
documentation
to
toll
that
time?.
J
So
so
the
hypothetical
is
that
the
City
Grants
the
entitlements,
and
there
is
a
writ
filed,
challenging
the
granting
of
this
entitlement.
So
so,
first
of
all
that
would
be
filed
against
the
city
we
we
would
be
sued
now.
They
would
be
required
under
their
entitlements
to
defend
and
indemnify
us,
but
yeah
that
that
would
that
would
postpone
that
that
time
period,
the
pendency
of
that
lawsuit
would
would
postpone
that
time.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I'll
go
ahead
and
share
my
thoughts
as
I
kind
of
mentioned
in
the
other
meeting
and
kind
of
was
brought
up
by
commissioner
Davis.
B
My
impression
my
opinion
of
this
is
that
we're
not
we
as
the
city
aren't
getting
enough
to
justify
giving
20
years
approval
on
the
on
the
entitlement
and,
as
the
attorney
mentioned
like
he
was
the
attorney
for
Talega
well,
I've,
seen
DA's
on
much
bigger
and
more
complicated
projects
that
allow
for
20-year
windows
to
allow
for
Market
cycles
and
complication
and
development,
and-
and
you
know,
environmental
agency
permitting
and
things
like
that,
but
I
personally
can't
recommend
a
20-year
approval
on
this
without
the
city
getting,
in
my
opinion,
substantial
quid
pro
quo,
and
especially
in
hearing
that
the
bar
for
kind
of
a
lot
investing
the
development
right
is
relatively
low.
B
It's
not
like
the
building
needs
to
be
completed
or
anything.
That's
my
feeling,
I,
don't
like
it
at
all,
but
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
I'm
glad.
There's
three
years
I
mean
this
is
a
complicated
project.
It's
going
to
be
complicated
to
design
and
do
the
architecture
and
get
through
plan
check
and
all
that
stuff.
So
they
certainly
need
that
I
could
even
go
five
years,
but
beyond
that,
I
don't
see
that
we're
getting
enough
and
to
just
and
the
complication
is
not
doesn't
justify
the
long
term.
Those
are
my
opinions.
B
I'll
make
a
motion
I
move
that
we
recommend
denial
by
the
way.
Sorry,
let
me
jump
back
I
can
make
the
findings
that
are
in
the
staff
report.
For
what
it's
worth.
You
know
we
they
to
propose
findings,
they're
consistent
with
the
general
plan,
I
would
say
generally
that's
true
and
that
the
contender
map
must
comply
with
the
subdivision
map
back.
B
My
motion,
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
my
motion.
Sorry,
let
me
amend
my
motion
where's
our
accommodations
here.
B
Yeah
I
I
would
recommend
that
the
you
know,
approval
of
item
number
one
relative
to
the
sequa
stuff.
B
Then
I'll
stick
with
my
motion
to
recommend
denial
to
to
to
the
city
council.
A
I
have
a
question
before
we
please
call
the
Mal
in
the
state
ordinance
for
development
agreements.
They
have
a
process
that
it
has
to
go
to
Planning
Commission.
Then
it
goes
to
city
council.
If
they
city
council
makes
major
changes
to
what
Planning
Commission
shot
state
says,
it's
got
to
come
back.
J
So
once
we've
recommended
approval
to
the
council,
it's
in
the
council's
hands
once
once
the
recommendation
comes
from
from
the
Planning
Commission
and
goes
to
council.
At
that
point,
it's
going
to
be
with
the
council.
If
there
are
I
mean
if,
if
the
entire
project
changes,
then
then
I
guess
that
would
come
back
to
Planning
Commission.
You
typically
don't
see.
A
That,
once
once
after
I'm
going
to
that
state
and
give
me
a
hand,
it
specifically
said.
J
B
K
F
Same
stuff
over
and
over
the
items
presented
at
the
last
Planning
Commission
meeting
were
related
to
the
entitlements
to
rezone
the
property
and
to
allow
the
construction
of
the
development
that
was
proposed.
This
was
the
development
agreement,
a
separate
item
from
those
unless,
unless
essentially
a
new
project
is
proposed,
there's
nothing
left
for
the
Memorial
Care
senior
housing
project
to
come
to
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
for,
and
there
hasn't
been
any.
There
hasn't
been
any
duplication
of
review
by
the
Planning
Commission,
because
those
applications
have
all
been
reviewed,
noticed
and
reviewed
by
the
commission.
F
N
Yes,
we
do
good
evening
planning
Commissioners,
chair,
McCann,
Zach,
ponson
I'm,
your
assistant
city,
engineer
tonight
with
me:
I
have
our
senior
traffic
engineer.
Ryan
Kim
tonight
we'll
be
proposing
a
petition
that
came
to
staff
for
some
speed,
bump
speed
cushions
on
Camino
Faro,
which
is
just
on
the
northeast
intersection
of
Calle
Frontera
and
Avenida
Vista
Hermosa.
If
you
don't
mind,
I
do
have
some
slides
in
case.
Anybody
needs
to
see
them
and
I
believe
bear
with
me
first
time
using
the
room.
I
think
it
works.
N
So
as
you
can
see,
I'm
going
to
go
back
a
couple
slides
apologize.
This
is
a
public
residential
street
that
serves
an
HOA
with
several
private
streets.
These
cul-de-sacs.
This
is
a
local,
it's
a
local
street,
but
it
serves
as
a
collector
into
these
other
cul-de-sacs.
N
So
the
neighborhood
is
gathered
a
petition
and
my
understanding
that
petition
was
actually
submitted
to
City
staff
back
in
November
of
2020
and
staff.
At
that
time
did
an
analysis
of
February
2021..
N
The
analysis
that
was
done
proved
that
the
measurements
the
staff
did
didn't
show
that
it
met
the
requirements
to
provide
traffic,
calming
measures
or
speed.
Bumps
so
at
that
time
staff
notified,
the
main
petitioner
is
my
understanding.
It
kind
of
sat
still
at
that
point
since
that
time,
myself
and
Ryan
Kim
have
joined
this
new
role.
N
If
you
want
me
to
give
a
brief
summary
of
it,
the
85th
percentile
of
speed,
it
came
in
as
27
miles
per
hour,
and
then
we
look
at
a
number
of
other
different
measures
before
traffic
calming
needs
to
trigger
in
so
in
our
Agenda
Report.
We
gave
you
a
breakdown
of
the
scoring
that
triggers
traffic
calming
the
street
only
received
a
score
of
40
and
51
is
what
then
triggers
that
that
further
analysis
staff
did
also
look
at
our
track.
N
Our
speed
cushion
policy
also,
so
we
have
two
different
policies
of
traffic
calming
and
we
have
a
speed,
cushion
policy.
Looking
at
that
speed
cushion
policy,
there
was
a
number
of
different
issues
on
the
street
that
actually
make
it
Troublesome
to
actually
add
speed
cushions,
particularly
the
the
curve
of
it
mid
block
and
the
steepness
of
the
street.
The
steepness
is
the
biggest
one.
Technically
you
don't
like
to
add
speed
bumps
when
you're
above
five
or
six
percent
grade,
so
the
one
slide
I
wanted
to
show
everybody.
N
So
on
the
next
slide,
we
show
you
where
we
put
the
speed
radar
back
when
they
did
the
study,
we
saw
an
average
of
a
little
over
1100
trips
per
day.
This
was
the
score
that
they
received.
So
we
look
at
things
like
that
speed.
We
look
at
the
actual
volume,
the
number
of
crashes.
There
was
one
rearing
crash
noted
in
that
eight
year
period:
seven
year
period.
N
Excuse
me,
we
look
at
things
at
how
close
they
are
to
schools
and
how
close
they
are
to
parks,
and
so
this
one
is
close
to
a
school
and
a
park.
So
we
gave
it
both
those
criteria
and
so,
and
we
actually
look
at
if
they're
sidewalks
also,
this
street
does
have
sidewalks
on
both
sides.
This
street
was
repaved
back
in
2017
and
had
some
traffic
calming
implementations
added
at
that
time.
N
So
some
of
those
things
that
we
do
first
steps
that
we
do
in
our
our
Handbook
of
tools
is
to
add
edge
lines.
So
that
was
done
a
few
years
back
and
then
another
tool,
that's
in
there
is
to
actually
remove
the
center
lines,
sounds
counterproductive
and
I
know.
We
got
a
lot
of
public
comments
and
emails
to
where
the
center
lines
go.
It's
actually
in
the
industry
as
a
tool
to
actually
slow
people
down.
So
several
years
ago,
staff
added
the
edge
lines
and
we
removed
that
Center
Line
doing
our
study.
N
This
screen
kind
of
shows
the
grades
of
the
street
towards
Vista
Hermosa
you're
up
around
10
percent
grade
through
that
bend
you're
at
about
eight
percent
grade
and
then
down
towards
the
lower
end
you're,
just
under
five
percent
and
so
really
looking
at
speed,
humps
in
general,
you're
kind
of
stuck.
You
don't
want
to
put
them
on
that
steep
part
and
then
all
I
have
left.
Is
this
lower
part?
I,
don't
think
you'll
be
able
to
see
my
mouse?
G
Of
like
400
apart
400
feet,
apart,
I
was
out
there
today
and
there
is
an
incline
and
parking
on.
Both
sides
stop
sign
at
the
time
I
went.
It
was
very
quiet,
but
I
do
I.
Do
understand
that
it's
I
could
see
where,
because
of
the
on
the
Vista
Hermosa
side,
that
the
light
would
cause
someone
to
skip
through
there
as
a
shortcut.
C
C
N
N
N
The
total
correct,
that's
gonna.
From
my
visits
out
there,
I
only
saw
two
people
that
were
turning
on
to
write
out
of
about
60
to
80
cars,
and
so
I
didn't
see
a
lot
of
people
using
that
Frontier
return
and
most
people
that
I
observed
were
turning
into
the
cul-de-sacs.
So
obviously
the
people
on
Frontera
or
not
Frontier,
excuse
me
on
Camino
Faro
are
going
to
be
the
residents
that
live
there.
So
I
can't
expect
that
there's
more
people
cutting
through
than
there
are
residents,
and
so
in
my
time
observing
it
myself.
N
C
Avoiding
Frontera
and
Vista
Hermosa
turn
up
Faro
and
that's
a
signalized
signal
there.
So
I'm
assuming
most
are
headed
to
the
school
to
take
their
kids
to,
or
vice
versa,
coming
back
from
school
and
avoiding
the
intersection.
The
signalized
intersection
didn't
turn
it
on
the
Frontera
to
go
to
where
they
live,
because
you
wouldn't
cut
up
there
and
turn
right.
Wait
for
a
signal
then
cut
down
the
Frontera
Vista
Hermosa
again
for
another
signal.
N
Other
than
we
do
have
a
new
one,
potentially
out
in
that
Talega
school.
What
we're
trying
yeah,
but
the
latest
edition
of
crossing
guards,
was
on
the
freeway
Northbound
off-ramp
yeah
Hermosa.
K
Okay
and
then
so
it's
my
fellow
fellow
Commissioners
point:
is
the
traffic
speed
going
up
the
hill?
That's
going
to
be
slower
than
downhill.
Possibly
you
know,
or
is
it
both
directions?
Is
the
calculations
from
both
directions,
or
is
it
just
One
Direction?
Yes,
it's
a
fourth
direction
right,
okay
in
the
speed,
yes,.
D
K
N
Ultimately,
that
could
lead
to
destabilizing
a
car,
I,
guess
or
kind
of
losing
control.
So
when
you're
kind
of
going
down
a
grade,
you
industry
standard
is
to
not
put
them
on
Hills,
because
that
could
lead
you.
You
know
and
bump
you
a
little
bit
harder.
So
so.
K
N
C
K
D
D
The
maximum
credit
is
about
six
percent.
K
Got
okay,
so
it's
and
and
that's
a
cushion
right
now,
is
there
other?
Besides
the
lines
in
the
removing
of
lines,
is
there
other
speed
mechanisms
that
we
could?
Maybe
do
you
know
like?
Have
you
ever
thought,
like
you
know,
I,
I
travel,
sometimes
and
all
of
a
sudden
I
get
the
the
red
lights,
but
it's
just
a
little
sign
sitting
there
you
know
and
it
pop
up
red
lights,
because
I'm
going
too
fast.
Is
that
even
an
option
you.
N
Know
you're
bringing
up
an
interesting
point
because
past
experience
with
a
lot
of
these
applications,
it's
really
just
gone.
You
know
for
I'm
going
to
backtrack
a
little
bit
sorry
for
decades.
The
city
just
didn't
really
want
speed
pumps,
we
didn't
have
a
policy
for
it.
We
just
simply
didn't
allow
it,
and
so
what
the
new
design
of
speed
cushions
were.
The
fire
and
emergency
vehicles
can
spread
their
tires
across
them.
We've
been
a
little
bit
more
open
to
it.
N
N
N
The
other
options
when
we
see
that
criteria-
that's
why
there's
two
studies,
so
we
have
a
traffic
calming
study
that
we
do
first,
that
we
look
at
these
parameters
of
if
they
are
speeding,
we
we
have
a
toolbox
of
tools
that
we'll
pull
out
and
say:
hey.
What
can
we
do
to
start
trying
to
control
these
speeds
in
these
situations?
The
Edge
lines
that
were
added
the
center
line
being
removed
is
the
easy
one
so
that
we
do
kind
of.
Whenever
we're
repaving,
we
look
at
streets
and
just
shut.
Should
we
try
to
do
this?
N
The
next
one's
after
you
do
that
you're
going
to
probably
start
seeing
a
little
bit
more
of
his
electronic
speed
signs,
and
so
those
are
the
ones
that
are
on
all
day
flashing
at
you
when
you're
going
27,
they're
going
to
say
27.,
so
those
are
a
little
less
intrusive
than
a
speed
cushion
now.
K
N
Now
that's
a
great
question:
we
haven't
gone
that
far
in
terms
of
San
Clemente,
so
we
don't
have
any
of
those
right
now.
So
we
have
several
streets
with
the
electronic
speed
radar
signs.
Yeah
the
something
like
Frontera
or
pharah
would
be
the
first
time
putting
it
on
a
residential
street,
though
normally
it's
we
just
added
them.
On
padresa.
Just
last
year
we
added
bike
lanes
and
some
electronic
speed
signs
at
the
recommendation
of
Planning
Commission.
So
we
added
two
on
that
street,
but
it's
not
directly
fronting
on
homes.
N
So
one
thing
with
adding
these
signs
is
it's
going
to
end
up
being
kind
of
right
in
front
of
somebody's
house
if
it's
on
a
residential
street,
and
so
that's
something
to
take
into
consideration.
So
if
we
are
recommending
lights,
we're
going
to
need
written
permission
and
okay
from
the
people's
houses,
we're
putting
them
right
in
front
of
too.
K
N
K
N
D
I
would
say
about
400
feet
from
the
stop.
Sign
would
be
appropriate.
K
B
N
Than
five
percent,
they
don't
know
that
at
this
time,
okay
I
mean.
That
would
be
something
that
definitely
we
can
look
into
type
of
thing.
Actually
I
do
believe
our
our
speed,
hunt,
policy
and,
and
that
may
actually
get
into
how
far
do
you
go
to
put
spaces
in
between
humps
there's
cushions
I'm
trying
to
say
the
right
turn
he's
been
saying:
call
it
cushions
each
time
so
there's
a
distance
in
between
them
that
we
try
to.
We
don't
want
to
put
them
too
close.
N
You
don't
want
to
put
them
too
far,
and
so
that's
why,
when
you
put
them
on
a
block
you're
trying
to
put
two
not
just
one
random
one
sitting
there
in
this
particular
Street,
it
didn't
meet
the
requirements
for
it.
So
staff's
going
to
stick
with
our
recommendations,
but.
N
A
A
In
public
comment,
have
you
all
turned
in
cards
I.
N
N
N
Oh
probably
close
to
six
percent,
but
it
probably
varies.
It's
probably
similar
to
this,
where
it
varies,
it's
steeper
at
the
top,
as
it
goes
down
yeah
most
of
those
streets
all
have
that
similar
topography.
So
when
they
put
those
speed
cushions
in
I'm
gonna
hope
that
they
kind
of
put
them
further
down
the
hill,
where
it's
a
little
bit
less.
N
I
mean
when
they
did
it
they,
hopefully
they
pushed
them
a
little
bit
further
down
where
it's
a
little
flatter.
Those
streets
are
a
little
longer
than
this,
and
but
I
I
was
all
those
staff
numbers
are
gone.
That
probably
put
those
in.
G
I
have
a
quick
question
and
then
I
want
to
hear
from
the
public.
An
extra
stop
sign
has
that
been
considered.
Midway.
N
Stop
signs
are
not
considered
a
traffic
calming
device,
so
stop
signs
I'll
defer
to
Ryan.
If
it's
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
over,
are
based
on
the
number
of
cross
traffics
that
you're
getting
so
something
you're,
basically
looking
at
two
intersections
and
how
much
traffic
is
coming
out
of
one
of
these
cul-de-sacs
would
never
meet
up
the
criteria
to
meet
across
us
to
justify
a
stop
sign
and
we.
Lastly,
you
kind
of
want
to
do
is
add
a
stop
sign
unnecessarily,
because
people
will
start
running
it,
and
then
you
really
get
into
some.
B
N
A
excellent
excellent
question:
when
I
was
reading
some
of
the
emails
I.
We
got
a
lot
yesterday
and
today
and
I
think
you
guys
saw
them.
N
What
was
one
of
my
first
thoughts
too
is:
can
we
re-look
at
that
area
and
see
if
we
can
expand
some
of
the
red
curbing
out
on
Farrow
to
improve
their
line
of
sight,
and
maybe
that
would
be
a
recommendation
if
you
want
to
the
staff,
could
look
into
that
if
we
do
increase
the
red
curb
it'll
have
to
come
back
to
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council
for
adoption,
because
it
has
to
be
something:
that's
ticketable
and
enforceable.
So
anytime,
we
add
red
Kerber.
B
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions
for
staff.
Okay,
we're
gonna,
open
the
public
hearing
and
hear
from
the
members
of
the
public.
Do
we
have
speaker.
F
Cards
chairman:
can
we
have
a
number
of
cards
I'm
gonna
start
with
and
I
apologize
if
I'm
mispronouncing?
This
is
the
Britain
family
or
Britain.
B
O
Okay
good
evening,
thank
you
for
being
here
I'm
here
tonight
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
speed
humps
to
be
installed
on
Camino
Faro.
There
are
many
reasons
why
speed
homes
are
necessary
to
start
Camino.
Faro
always
has
cars
parked
on
both
sides
of
the
street,
which
makes
it
very
a
very
narrow
road
to
dry
Bond.
The
road
also
cuts
through
to
Cali
Frontera,
which
causes
a
plethora
of
cars
going
up
and
down
the
hill.
Every
day
our
neighborhood
New
Providence
suffers
greatly
from
this.
O
There
are
so
many
active
people
in
this
neighborhood
who
walk
their
dogs
go
for,
runs
and
bike
daily.
This
is
not
just
include
adults.
This
neighborhood
has
a
substantial
amount
of
kids
who
are
very
active
with
Marblehead
Elementary
being
just
a
jaunt
up
the
hill
and
Jim
Johnson
and
Shore
Cliffs.
Just
over
the
freeway.
Many
of
these
children
are
walking
or
riding
bikes
to
and
from
their
activities.
Everyone
is
extremely
afraid
when
it
comes
to
Crossing
Camino
Faro,
my
children
and
I
included
the
hill
curve.
O
So
you
can't
even
see
very
far
up
the
hill
to
see
if
a
car
is
coming,
which
leads
to
my
next
concern
with
the
Curve
cars
parked
on
both
sides
of
the
road
and
speeding
cars.
This
makes
it
very
difficult
to
even
turn
out
of
the
majority
of
the
neighborhood
streets
onto
the
main
road.
Not
only
was
safety
to
the
pedestrians.
A
huge
worry
for
these
residents,
but
just
simply
turning
onto
Camino
Faro
from
their
streets
is
very
difficult
to
add.
O
On
for
many
families
going
to
work
and
taking
their
kids
to
school
in
the
morning,
the
sun
makes
it
even
more
dangerous.
It
is
positioned
in
a
spot
that
is
completely
blinding
as
you're
going
up
the
hill.
If
we
can
slow
the
traffic
down
with
speed,
humps
and
even
put
stop
signs
in
I
know,
it
would
make
a
tremendous
difference.
O
Is
it
worth
it
to
show
my
kids
how
to
live
a
healthy
lifestyle
if
we're
so
afraid
to
get
hit
by
one
of
those
cars
coming
down
the
hill
as
I
spoke
to
nearly
everyone
in
the
neighborhood
as
I
did
this
petition
everyone
had
their
own
stories
of
how
many
times
they've
almost
been
hit
by
a
car
driving
down
the
hill?
Please,
let's
not
wait
for
somebody
to
get
hurt
before
we
make
a
change.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
O
K
K
O
Maybe
I'll
read
it
for
her.
This
is
Tatum.
She
lives
in
New
Providence
when
she
walks
the
dog
in
the
neighborhood.
It
is
scary
for
her
because
the
cars
are
going
way
too
fast.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
F
All
right,
I'll
call
I'll
call
the
next
three
speakers
and
if
you
could
just
be
ready,
Tracy
Denny,
Carrie
Kobayashi,
followed
by
Nancy
Noel.
E
My
name
is
Tracy
Denny
and
I
just
want
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much
for
listening
to
us.
This
is
it's
quite
an
emotional.
You
know,
subject
that
like
breaks
my
heart
because
you
know
I've
lived
in
San
Clemente
in
my
entire
life
and
I've
lived
in
New
Providence,
since
October
of
1993.
I
lived
above
the
high
school
before
that,
when
I
was
little
there,
Vista
Hermosa
wasn't
a
through
Street.
You
know
it
didn't,
go
all
the
way
through
Talega.
Wasn't
there,
none
of
that
was
there.
It
wasn't
a
through
Street.
E
E
They
gun
it
on
that
first
part
going
up
that
hill,
don't
say
they
don't
because
they
do
they
fly
and
they
fly
down
and
the
biggest
problem
also
is
trying
to
pull
off
of
our
street
Kaya
balandra.
When
I
come
out
to
make
a
left,
you
have
to
like
literally
inch
as
far
as
you
can
out,
and
you
still
are
just
like:
okay
go
like
that's
how
it
is
chalupa.
The
street
above
us
is
the
worst
Street
I
mean
I.
E
Can
I
don't
even
want
to
go
on
that
street
if
I'm
driving
a
car
because
I
can't
get
out
so
the
traffic
is
horrible,
I,
don't
know
what
time
there
was
someone
who
said
that
you
know
it
was
slow
when
they
were
there.
It's,
maybe
that
was
during
the
day
when
the
kids
are
in
school.
People
are
at
work,
I'll
admit
it's
probably
slow,
but
when
the
kids
are
going
to
school
in
the
morning,
everyone
through
the
coast
comes
through.
E
When
I
leave
my
house
to
go
to
my
father-in-law's
house,
he
lives
in
Camino
de
los
Mares
I,
don't
get
on
the
freeway
I
go
out
of
my
neighborhood
I
make
a
you
know
very
scary,
left
turn
on
Frontera
and
I
go
through
the
coast
and
that's
how
I
go
and
I'm
sure
they
complain
about
the
traffic.
It's
horrible.
Everyone
uses
a
throwaway
and
it
shouldn't
be,
and
we
we
need
to
do
something.
Maybe
if
speed
bumps
I
mean
that
would
teach
him
like
the
first
time
like
hey,
we
gotta
slow
down.
That's
the
point.
E
What
about
those
little
ball,
things
that
go
on
the
ground,
those
I
don't
know,
I've
seen
them
before,
where
they
just
kind
of
make
your
tire
kind
of
like
vibrate,
but
they're
not
going
to
do
severe
damage
to
your
car
like
because
speed
button
would
and
then
on
Valencia
you're,
saying
that's
a
graded
Street,
similar
to
what
we
have.
They
have
speed
bumps
and
I
go
down
and
pick
up.
E
My
friend,
she's
handicapped
pick
her
up
every
single
day
and
I
do
errands
with
her
and
I
have
to
go
slow
because
I
know
that
speed
bump.
Is
there
you,
you
gotta
just
and
you
see
it
coming
you're
gonna
slow
down!
It's
a
bottom
line.
Every
time,
I
go
down
the
street
I!
Think
oh
I!
Don't
want
to
go
down
this
street
and
that's
what
I'd,
like?
Is
people
not
to
cut
through
our
neighborhood
I
would
like
them
to
go
around.
Take
Vista
Hermosa.
E
Take
this
signal,
but
don't
cut
through
it's
a
very
small
kids
fly
through
their
teenagers
with
their
cars.
You
know
you
can
barely
cross
seniors
can't
cross
the
street
when
they're
walking
our
neighbors.
We
have
to
walk
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
because
of
the
coyotes
they're,
so
bad
and
there's
brush
there,
so
you
have
to
cross
the
street
or
you're
also
going
to
be
in
danger.
B
E
P
Hi
I'll
be
quick,
I'm,
not
a
speaker
anyway.
My
name
is
Carrie
Kobayashi
and
I
live
in
New
Providence
off
of
marihada
Avenida
marihada
and
I've
been
there
for
29
years
and,
like
Tracy
said
there
was
nothing
there
when
I
moved
there.
So
the
traffic
has
gotten
ridiculous
cutting
through
from
Frontera.
They
just
fly
going
up
that
hill
on
Faro
and
when
I
pull
out
to
make
a
right
onto
far
off
of
bellandra.
You
cannot
see
I
mean
there's
cars
on
both
sides
and
it's
very
dangerous.
P
When
I
walk
my
dog
when
I
you
know,
I
see
the
kids
coming
down
from
that
street
and
someone's
gonna
get
killed.
Unfortunately,
something's
going
to
happen
because
you,
you
can't
see-
and
you
know
I-
know,
82
percent
of
our
neighbors
want
these
speed,
cushions
and
I'm
in
full
support
of
the
speed
cushions.
You
know,
and
the
school
too,
with
the
children
coming.
P
You
know
they're
riding
their
bikes
and,
like
Tracy
said,
like
people
trying
to
cross
the
street
with
all
those
people
parked
on
because
the
the
people
across
the
across
the
street
in
the
apartments
they
parked
there
and
we're
not
allowed
to
park
on
our
street,
we
have
to
park
in
our
driveway
or
in
our
in
our
garages.
P
O
Good
evening
my
name
is
Nancy
Nowell
and
I
live
on
the
street.
That
Tracy
said
is
the
worst
one
chalupa
and
it's
the
worst
one,
because
the
street
curves
Farrow
curves
right
before
my
street,
and
there
are
large
cars,
large
Vehicles,
Vans,
big
trucks,
all
sorts
of
vehicles
parked
on
Camino
Faro,
and
you
literally
cannot
see
around
them.
You
just
inch
out
and
when
my
husband
pulls
out
I
look
one
way.
He
looks
the
other
way.
I
say
clear:
I
I
remind
myself
of
my
parents.
O
You
know
they
used
to
do
that
all
the
time,
but
it's
necessary
to
get
out
of
our
street.
It's
very
frightening.
To
try
to
pull
out
and
cars.
Just
go
whizzing
down
the
street.
All
the
time.
I
see
them
going
fast
up
the
street,
but
what
I
see
mostly,
is
they
just
tear
down
the
street
and
it
would
be
so
easy
to
get
broadsided
I
have
almost
had
that
happen.
Numerous
times
it's.
It's
frightening
I
walk
my
dog.
O
O
F
All
right
next
speaker,
Bert
sandon,
followed
by
Kevin
Thomas.
D
Good
evening
I'm
Bert
sandon
I'm
on
I'm,
one
of
the
board
members
there
at
New
Providence
have
been
for
I,
don't
know
12
13
years.
The
entire
board
is
in
support
of
speed.
Bumps
is
anxious
for
them.
I
can't
remember
a
time
when
the
board
wasn't
years
and
years
ago,
maybe
10
years
ago
we
even
had
a
traffic
engineer
that
when
we
approached
him
regarding
this
told
us,
we
had
a
problem
because
he
liked
the
idea
that
cars
coming
down
Mr
Hermosa.
D
It's
a
lot
of
speed
coming
down
there
and
I
know
when
I
even
pull
out
of
my
street,
which
is
not
the
bad
one.
Nancy
lives
on
I
pull
out
a
little
bit.
Look
both
ways
pull
out
a
little
bit.
Look
both
ways
pull
out
finally
and
hope
that
I
don't
have
to
jump
on
the
gas
really
hard
to
get
out
of
the
way.
D
It's
dangerous
I
even
had
an
opportunity
to
buy
a
house
on
chalupa
years
ago,
because
it's
a
single
loaded
Street
with
the
best
views
my
kids
were
coming
up
in
the
age
where
they
were
going
to
be
driving
soon,
I
decided,
I
wasn't
going
to
buy
a
house
on
that
street
I
did
not
want
my
teenage
daughters
trying
to
drive
and
turn
out
across
that
street.
It
is
that
dangerous.
D
When
you
say
you
have
average
speeds
that
create
the
metrics
for
why
you
would
want
to
have
this
and
that
we
had
a
27
mile,
an
hour
of
average,
and
you
wanted
32..
That's
just
an
average
I'm,
not
worried
about
the
person
going
20
miles
an
hour
that
was
the
low
end
of
that
measurement.
I'm
worried
about
the
guy.
That's
going
40.
he's
the
one
that's
going
to
create
the
accident,
even
though
my
average
may
only
say
27.
the
27
mile
an
hour
thing
is
not
the
issue.
D
It's
the
person
who's
going
too
fast
and
whether
or
not
a
speed
bump
would
be
dangerous.
Yeah
a
speed
bump
might
be
dangerous
under
any
condition
if
someone's
driving
too
fast.
If
the
speed
bump,
it
could
be
a
soft
one
if
it
slows
them
down,
it
gives
people
a
margin
of
error
when
they're
trying
to
drive
out
of
that
neighborhood.
That
gives
us
the
safety
we
need,
please
think
about
the
safety
of
the
people.
D
In
there
he
mentioned
that
we
had
a
third
thirds
vote
and
thought
that
it
warranted
that
we
would
have
our
day
in
court
earlier
that
as
Gary,
he
mentioned
that
the
people
are
sovereign.
If
we
had
two-thirds
of
our
people
in
our
neighborhood
who
wanted
it
unless
I'm
mistaken,
two-thirds
would
get
us
a
constitutional
amendment
and
that's
just
about
impossible.
D
I,
I
hope,
you'd,
listen
to
the
people
of
that
Community.
Two-Thirds
is
a
lot
and
we
would
like
to
be
safe.
We
for
years
have
been
wanted.
Thank
you.
There
we
go.
Thank
you.
Q
Okay,
my
name
is
Kevin
Thomas
I'm,
also
a
long-term
33-year
resident
of
the
neighborhood,
but
unfortunately,
for
some
of
these
people
I'm
the
fly
in
the
neighborhood
ointment,
I
was
also
a
police
officer
for
36
years
and
for
three
of
those
three
long
years.
I
was
that
in
charge
of
our
Traffic,
Division,
okay
and
so
I.
In
the
course
of
my
career,
I,
read
probably
in
the
neighborhood
of
10
000
traffic
collision
reports
and
signed
off
on
them
and
I
made
some
notes
here,
and
you
stole
my
thunder
sir.
Q
So
you
talk
about
an
industry
standard
and
I,
get
that's
your
your
language,
but
perhaps
I
can
fill
in
some
of
the
blanks.
What
happens
when
a
car
addresses
a
speed
bump?
Okay.
So
if
this
is
the
speed
bump,
the
front
end
of
the
car
raises
up.
Okay,
it's
actually
unweighted,
as
some
of
the
weight
is
pushed
to
the
back
okay
and
then,
as
the
car
goes
over
it.
The
opposite
phenomenon
happens
now.
If
so,
if
we
go
with
the
27
miles
an
hour,
it's
not
very
fast,
except
on
a
street
like
this.
Q
Okay,
I
think
it's
probably
the
average
40
foot
wide
Street
36,
okay,
wow,
that's
that's
less!
So
you
put
a
car
on
one
side
and
a
car
on
the
other
side,
there's
16
feet
and
if
they've
got
a
foot
of
cushion
there
that's
18
feet.
That's
half
of
the
road
width
is
taken
up
by
by
Park
cars
so
that
27
miles
an
hour
is
somewhat
enhanced.
In
that
small,
it's
it
I
mean
you
really
have
to
focus
and
concentrate.
Q
When
there's
you
know
oncoming
traffic,
because
there's
not
a
lot
of
passing
room
there,
but
speed
bumps
are,
unfortunately
not
the
answer,
because
that
unweighting,
even
at
27
miles
an
hour
when
that
front
end
gets
unweighted
and
then
comes
back.
If
there's
any
movement
of
the
steering
wheel,
that's
coming
back
forcefully
and
that's
going
to
cause
that
vehicle
to
Veer
one
way
or
the
other,
and
it's
going
to
cause
collisions
with
with
those
cars
parked
now
I,
don't
know!
Q
If
you
pull
the
Collision
statistics
for
the
roadway
for
a
certain
I,
it
doesn't
appear
that
it's
it's
an
overwhelming
amount
of
of
collisions.
I,
don't
see
them.
I,
don't
see
the
remnants
I,
don't
see.
A
lot
of
you
know
the
after
effects
sideswiped,
you
know
Vehicles
still
parked
there
broken
glass.
All
that
so
I
was
here
to
beg
you
not
to
do
it
because
I
think
it
would
be
a
significant
Hazard,
a
much
more
significant
Hazard
than
any.
Q
A
N
I
may
need
to
defer
to
somebody
that
I
should
know
this.
I've
lived
here
forever.
Maybe
Hermosa
was
a
pedestrian
bridge.
N
A
Does
that
open
up
any
additional
I
mean
this
seems
like
a
good
candidate
to
be
a
focus
area
for
our
safe
route
to
school
policies.
A
A
But
then
all
traffic
would
be
uphill
and
a
thought.
N
P
G
N
H
N
A
Point
and
I'm
sure
traffic
goes
slower,
uphill
than
downhill,
because
you
know
driving
down
what
is
it
Veracruz
I
mean
you've
got
to
ride
your
brakes
to
go
slow
enough
to
get
by
that
school.
D
G
Mean
the
the
the
residence
of
the
area
I
mean
this
has
been
their
priority
for
many
years
and
it
seems
like
we
could.
G
B
I'll
jump
in
here
because
I
I
have
a
perception.
I
heard
testimony
that
there
was
a
bunch
of
parking
at
the
at
the
West
End
of
pharaoh
from
the
from
the
apartments
people
crossing
the
street
to
park
there.
So
do
we
have
permanent
parking
districts
in
the
city.
N
We
do
yeah,
we
do
there's
a
couple
of
them
they're
out
there.
It
requires
I,
believe
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council
approval.
If
there's
an
HOA
definitely
require
HOA
approval.
We
would
definitely
look
at
if
it's
a
matter
of
congestion
of
parking
on
a
street
which
it
normally
is.
We
would
look
at
why
they're
not
allowing
parking
on
these
private
streets
at
night,
though
so
that'd
be
one
question
staff
would
ask
of
the
HOA
of
if
it's
due
to
too
many
cars,
then
why
aren't
they
allowing
cars
on
those
private
streets.
B
It
seems
to
me
that
we,
based
on
testimony
I've,
heard
we
clearly
have
a
sight
distance
problem,
especially
at
chalupa,
but
based
on
what
I
saw
on
the
map.
So
a
recommendation
that
I
would
have
is
to
go
back
and
reconsider
and
look
at
those
site
distance
issues
all
along
Pharaoh
there
and
then,
if,
if
you
have
a
significant
over
parking
problem
from
the
apartments,
that's
causing
a
lot
of
congestion,
then
maybe
a
parking
District
would
help
on
that.
N
C
N
C
Issues
with
this
parking
plus,
if
at
night
time
you
could
park
there
well
shoot
I'd
Park,
you
know
if
you
can't,
if
you're
trying
to
avoid
some
kind
of
a
violation,
then
you
park
out
there
instead
of
on
your
driveway.
That's
one
of
the
issues.
The
other
area
is
speed.
The
other
thing
on
this
little
point
system.
C
C
to
have
speed
bumps
and
they'd
only
be
one
point
short,
so
I
think
a
solution.
You
know
one
way
it
sounds
good,
but
I,
don't
know
any
other
one-way
Street
anywhere,
and
that
could
be
kind
of
confusing
because
then
you're
going
to
have
to
post
no
right
turn
coming
down.
Mr
Hermosa
and
coming
across
you're
either
gonna
have
to
put
bollards
so
that
they
know
that
they're
not
going
to
turn.
N
C
C
K
So
I
got
a
couple
things
I
really
feel
that
the
future
of
e-bikes
and
kids
commuting
is
going
to
be
humongous
and
I'm
real
I'd
hate
to
see
a
white
bike
out
there.
That
would
just
really
bum
me
out.
You
know
you
guys
know
what
I
mean
by
the
white
bikes
right.
So
then
the
I
would
I
would
like.
K
Maybe
if
you
could
engage
with
the
HOA
and
see
what
their
thoughts
are
on
loosening
their
restrictions
on
parking
for
their
Community,
because
I
have
a
feeling
a
lot
of
that
parking
is
from
their
own
HOA.
If
it
is
a
safety
concern,
maybe
there's
enough
pressure
from
the
the
residents
to
loosen
that
a
little
bit
and
let
them
park
in
front
of
their
house.
We
used
to
live
in
the
Reserve
I
remember
it
was
like
and
there
was
a
pretty
serious
problem.
My
my
son
got
towed
like
three
times
in
a
month.
K
K
So
then,
there's
so
what
about
considering
instead
of
well
I,
just
want
to
explore
all
options,
but
maybe
there's
no
parking
on
one
side
of
the
street.
You
know.
Would
that
help
like
the
I
guess,
there's
a
bunch
of
bushes
and
coyotes
on
one
side,
maybe
parking
on
the
Bush's
side
of
the
street
and
no
parking
on
the
other
side
and
open
up
a
bike
lane.
Somehow
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
I'm
just
trying
to
explore
ideas
here.
K
Maybe
there's
safe
routes
to
school
policy
that
I
don't
know
anything
about
it,
but
my
wife's
Lisa
Davis
and
she's
the
local
trustee
and
she's
easy
to
get
a
hold
of.
If
you
guys
want
to
collaborate
with
her
and
see,
maybe
there's
something
that
the
school
district
has
in
place
to
help
with
whatever
needs
you
might
have
to
get
to
the
end
goal.
I,
don't
know
I'm,
just
spinning
ideas,
you
know,
but
I
I,
just
I
I
get
what
they're
saying
and
then
one
way
uphill.
Maybe
but
that's
that's
about
it.
K
G
N
Any
alternative
I
mean
our
traffic.
Calming
manual
is
pretty
thick,
I
mean
it's
38
pages
and
there's
a
number
of
things
in
here
you
can
bottleneck
streets
with
curbs
you
can
put
Islands
in
there.
You
can
do
a
lot
of
different
things.
N
Obviously
everything
comes
with
a
cost,
though,
and
so
narrowing
streets
are
burning,
raised,
crosswalks
or
traffic
circles,
or
roundabouts
and
one-way
streets
and
bottlenecks,
and
chokers
is
what
they're
called,
and
so
you
can
redesign
the
whole
curbs,
but
now
you're
talking
into
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
each
street
that
comes
in
and
to
do
this.
This
is
an
emotional
topic,
obviously,
that
we
hear
about
daily
from
the
staff
level.
N
There's
not
a
person
in
the
city
who
doesn't
think
people
aren't
speeding
on
their
street
and
they're
organized
enough
and
smart
enough
to
get
their
petition
going,
and
she
did
really
well
getting
a
really
high
percentage
of
the
people
on
our
street,
and
so
it's
something
everybody
feels
passionate
about,
and
we
have
this.
You
know
guidebook
to
tell
staff
which
direction
to
go
with
our
tools
right
now.
N
I,
don't
see
a
lot
of
other
tools
in
there
that
you
know
from
a
without
redesigning
and
narrowing
the
street
with
bulb
outs
and
all
kinds
of
things,
that's
something
the
council's
gonna
have
to
approve
in
a
yearly
budget.
It's
that
big,
and
so
that's
not
something
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
handle
on
our
traffic
calming
budget.
That's
for
sure.
A
Zach
there
was
a
street
kind
of
the
same
configuration
of
Veracruz
and
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
about
people
picking
up
the
kids
and
they
either
changed
the
parking
there
was.
This
is
probably
five
years
ago.
Six
years
ago,
richillello.
N
Richie,
that
might
be
it
officer,
mentosa
potential
yeah,
so
I
believe
that
was
a
little
bit
different.
The
HOA
may
have
paid
for
their
own
speed
bumps
in
that
case
and
because
it
didn't
justify
it,
it
was
a
little
bit
different
of
a
time
too,
when
the
speed
humps
weren't
designed
like
they
are
today,
I,
don't
know
all
the
details
of
it,
because
I
wasn't
always
in
the
traffic
department,
but
I
know
enough
from
here.
N
A
N
C
I
feel
like
how
how
the
what
street
is
that
that's
next
to
we
just
talked
about
the
other
day,
we're
on
El
Camino
Real.
You
have
the
yellow.
C
B
I
for
one
I'll
go
on
the
record:
I'm,
not
supportive
of
spade
cushions
here,
because
it
doesn't
meet
the
criteria.
It's
not
that
I'm
not
sympathetic
to
your
beautiful
kids
and
families
and
I'm
sure
there
is
a
problem
with
this
with
the
with
the
high
high-speed
people,
the
city's
established
criteria,
so
that
they
can
try
and
create
some
evaluation
criteria
as
to
where
it's
applicable
and
the
traffic
engineering
industry
has
established
criteria
relative
to
grades
and
so
forth.
B
So,
based
on
what
we're
presented
with
you,
don't
meet
criteria
for
the
for
the
the
point
system
for
the
speed
average
or
for
the
grades.
That
doesn't
mean
you
don't
have
a
problem.
I
think
that
my
opinion
is
cities
should
still
consider
you
know
exploring
it.
My
impression
is
like
I
think
some
of
my
other
is
that
parking
is
a
problem
site
distance
is
a
is
a
significant
problem.
B
B
B
If
we
found
out
that
there
was
a
real
problem
from
the
apartments
and
they're
creating
a
lot
of
the
parking
problem,
considering
a
permanent
parking
District,
but
based
on
the
criteria
that
that
the
city
have
I
I,
can't
my
personal
when
I'm
one
vote
out
of.
However
many
are
here:
I
can't
support
the
speed
cushions,
but
it's
not
because
I'm
not
sympathetic
to
your
situation.
N
Technically,
since,
if
it's
not
an
approval
recommending
going
forward
with
speed
cushions
to
council,
then
it's
a
denial
of
the
that
petition.
You
can
direct
staff,
though,
to
look
into
red
curbing
or
any
other
thing
all
those
features
you
kind
of
mentioned
would
all
be
things
that
have
to
come
back
to
Planning
Commission
for
implementation,
though.
B
J
The
Rules
of
Order
dictate
that
that
that
there's
there's
one
chance
for
comments,
but
the
chair
and
commission
can
always
override
Rules
of
Order.
B
Okay,
I
guess:
I'm
inclined
to
I
saved
three
raised
hands
to
give
them
each
30
Seconds
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say.
Based
on
our
discussion
is
that,
okay,
with
the
commission.
B
I'll
keep
a
timer
of
one
minute
each.
If.
D
This
is
more
of
a
question
accepting
that
we
can't
have
it
speed
bumps
and
that
it
was
mentioned
that
maybe
they
could
get
together
with
the
community.
How
do
we
proceed
with
the
possibly
the
board
meeting
with
planning
staff
to
see
what
other
options
might
take
place?
I
know
the
community
will
not
want
to
remove
parking
on
one
side.
N
Ultimately,
I
can
meet
with
you
guys
after
this
outside.
If
you
want
to
wait,
give
me
my
cards.
O
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
these
are
the
people
of
New
Providence
that
want
it.
It's
82
percent
of
the
people
that
want
something
to
slow
the
cars
down
because
they
feel
like
they're
in
danger.
So
many
people
have
kids
that
walk
home
from
school
and
I.
Look
at
these
kids
and
they're,
like
okay,
ready,
ready,
run,
go,
go,
go,
run,
run
and
it's
so
scary,
somebody's
gonna
get
hit
by
a
car.
O
It's
you
know
these
kids
there's
not
parents
that
can
be
home
to
walk
their
kids
home
from
school
every
single
day,
so
to
keep
our
neighborhood
safe
and
these
people
and
the
people
that
are
walking
their
dogs
and
riding
their
bikes
and
scooters.
These
are
the
people
that
are
at
that
they
can
get
hurt
that
can
get
killed.
It's
so
dangerous,
honestly,
I
have
one
more
child
at
home.
O
E
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
feel
that
one
of
the
biggest
problems
is
just
the
flow
of
traffic
coming
through
our
neighborhood.
It's
not
even
it's
just
if
we
could
slow
it
down.
You
know
deter
people
from
coming
through
our
neighborhood
constantly
deter
those
people.
Cutting
off
of
you,
know,
Vista
Hermosa,
heading
west
and
making
a
right
into
Frontera.
They
they're
just
cut
through
I
mean
they
cut
through
and
I
see
them.
They
don't
even
stop
at
the
bottom
of
fundera.
They
just
roll
through.
E
The
other
thing
that
I
want
to
say
is
no
speed
bones.
How
about
just
those
little
bumpies?
You
know
when
you're
going.
They
want
you
to
slow
down
their
their
bumps
they're.
Just
a
little
thing
like
this,
and
when
your
car
goes
to
just
go,
you
know
it's
just
something
in
the
road.
You
know
that
says
slow
down.
Even
if
it's
lines
in
the
road,
maybe
that
does
it.
You
can't
hit
something
it's
just
flat.
You
know
do
something
like
that
and
we
already
have
red
curbs
and
they
even
extended
the
red
curb.
E
B
A
Go
ahead
and
see
if
we
can
do
this,
I
don't
even
know
if
it
requires
a
motion,
but
I
think
we
acknowledge
there's
a
problem.
A
I
think
we
are
probably
in
agreement
that
speed
cushions
may
not
be
the
solution,
but
I
think
we
want
to
recommend
to
staff
to
accept
the
public
Outreach
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
a
solution,
because
I
think
it
is
a
safety
issue
for
the
kids
safe
route,
School
very
important
to
this
city,
and
that
we.
A
Do
whatever
we
can
to
get
the
residents
working
with
staff
to
come
up
with
a
viable
solution
that
we'll
do
it
as
quick
as
we
can?
Let's,
let's
move
it
up
on
the
priority
list.
G
N
N
N
A
couple
weeks
ago
we
had
about
40
people,
show
up
and
talk
about
what
can
and
can't
be
done
in
this
case,
the
HOA
really
should
be
in
that
room
as
a
board,
whether
it's
them
setting
up
a
meeting
and
having
me
come
into
a
presentation
to
their
HOA
as
a
formal
item
or
something
a
little
less
formal.
So
that's
where
it's
tough
to
set
up
those
time
frames
for
that
I,
don't
know
how
often
they
meet
as
a
board
or
stuff
like
that.
N
They
if
the
direction
is
to
meet
with
their
board,
I
I,
need
to
kind
of
know
how
often
they
meet,
and
so,
if
they
don't
meet,
but
every
six
months,
then
I'm
tough
to
kind
of
get
something
formal,
because
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
meet
with
one
board
member
and
have
that
be
the
board's
opinion.
Yeah.
K
N
Relative,
it's
a
tough
one,
because
we
just
got
directed
last
night
to
potentially
Rush
another
one
yeah
everybody's
is
going
to
ask
for
a
rush
and
at
some
point,
you're
putting
somebody
at
the
end
of
the
line
who's
just
as
critical
on
their
street.
So
it's
always
a
tough
battle
to
it's.
A
very
emotional
issue:
I.
A
K
Right
can
we
make
I
I
really
like
your
idea,
I
think
I
like
your
idea
of
the
the
one-way
Street,
and
there
are
a
couple
in
San
Clemente.
There
are
already
one
way
and
maybe
that's
the
solution-
everybody's
willing
to
deal
with
it's
going
to
limit
the
traffic.
It's
going
to
put
keep
parking
on.
Both
sides
make
some
dedicated
e-bikes,
because
we
have
we're.
Gonna
have
a
big
e-bike
issue
that
I
think
should
be
part
of
the
thoughtfulness
of
this
whole
thing.
I.
N
Mean
and
I
will
respond
to
that
too
to
me,
it's
the
bike,
paths
and
bike
pedestrians,
so
I'm
not
going
to
separate
e-bikes
and
regular
bike
paths,
so
the
potential
to
try
to
get
a
class
two
in
there,
which
is
a
separated,
definite
bike
lane,
whether
or
not
it's
e-bikes
or
regular
bikes
engineering,
I
kind
of
don't
differentiate,
but
we
can
look
into
these
things
with
that
HOA,
so,
ultimately,
a
request
from
really
the
public
or
that
HOA
to
either
red
Cur.
The
line
of
sight
is
something
we
could
look
into.
N
Adding
entire
red
curb
to
the
South
Side
is
something
that
really
should
come
from
the
HOA
as
a
petition.
It's
really
their
street
that
serves
this
whole
thing.
It's
almost
surprising,
like
I,
said
that
it's
even
a
public
Street
growing
up
I
kind
of
always
thought
it
was
a
privacy
and
it's
it's.
We
can
work
with
the
HOA,
though,
and
see
what
kind
of
thing
they
can
do,
because
they
need
to
make
their
residents
happy
too
and
be
in
agreement
on
what
comes
forward.
F
Chairman
can,
if
I
could
chime
in
on
one
thing,
there
was
some
discussion
about
the
planning
commission's
determination
on
this
item.
There
is
a
question
before
the
claim
commission,
and
that
is:
should
the
Planning
Commission
forward
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
a
vote
to
either
deny
the
Public's
request
or
to
not
forward
a
recommendation
to
council.
It
would
be
nice
rather
than
not
voting
on
anything
with
that.
That
is
the
actual
question
at
hand
here
not
provide
Direction
and
planning
to
engineering
staff
to
do
any
other
particular
work.
F
However,
what
I
would
recommend
as
a
as
a
quasi
compromise
was
maybe
in
a
month
and
a
half
at
the
the
next
meeting
after
a
month
and
a
half
from
this
time,
I
can
come
back
if,
if
Mr
ponson
doesn't
have
another
similar
item
on
the
agenda
to
give
an
update
on
exactly
what
the
work
that
our
engineering
staff
is
doing
with
the
HOA
to
work
on
some
of
these
identified
issues.
B
F
And
study
it
more
yeah
and
as
part
of
that
staff
will
return
with
well
I'll,
say
the
first
meeting
after
a
month
and
a
half
from
this
time
with
an
update
on
where
that,
where
that
work
is
where
that
work
lies,
what's
being
done
with
it,
and
so.
F
F
Certain
understanding,
though,
that
if
the,
if
the
reasons
for
being
not
in
support
of
the
petition,
are
not
going
to
change
to
another
meeting,
meaning
the
standards
by
which
the
engineering
division
has
provided,
their
rationale
for
a
recommendation
for
denial
are
still
going
to
be
in
place,
which
I
think
we
can
say
are
probably
going
to
be
the
case
over
the
next
I.
Don't
know
two
to
five
years,
then
there's
really
no
point
to
continue.
F
Your
last
motion
to
your
motion,
based
on
what
I
had
said,
would
work.
So
it's
a
determination
not
to
forward
a
recommendation
to
city
council
and
an
understanding
that
staff
will
return.
I'll
just
say
within
two
months
to
be
simple
within
two
months
to
the
Planning
Commission,
with
an
update
on
what
engineering
staff
is
doing
with
the
HOA
on
off
alternate
alternative
measures
that
may
be
employable
in.
F
K
Is
update
is
one
cushion
still
an
option.
I
mean
you
know
on
the
the
five
percent
slope.
Would
that
do
anything
it
would.
D
D
Generally
speaking,
is
it's
recommended
to
put
it
into
400
feet,
part.
B
G
I
think
the
community
needs
to
be
heard
and
I
think
the
staff
is
willing
to
work
with
the
community.
There's
going
to
be
questions
about
the
parking
I
like
the
one
way.
I
know
you
don't
want
to
lose
your
parking
either.
I
understand
that
HOA
needs
to
be
involved
there.
The
site
issue
is
a
site
that
with
the
red
curbs,
but
yet
then,
when
that
happens,
somebody's
going
to
be
losing
their
parking
permit
parking
should
be
considered.
B
You
know
we're
talking
about
potentially
one
way:
I'm
I
personally
am
not
supportive
of
one
way
or
at
a
minimum.
I
would
want
to
see
it
studied
a
lot
more
because
I
agree
with
Zach
I
think
that
would
people
would
go
a
lot
faster
because
they'd
have
a
perception
of
it's
I'm
not
going
to
have
conflict
in
car
come
any
other
way.
B
I've
got
a
wider
travel
Lane,
so
in
general,
the
engineering
professionals
and
traffic
engineering
professionals
are
much
more
Versed
and
studied
on
on
the
issues
and
then
the
the
consequences
and
implications
of
of
of
what
that
is
than
we
are
I,
don't
so
in
general,
I
defer
to
to
staff's
expertise
relative
to
those
issues
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
I
think
we
play
a
very
important
role
in
you
know,
trying
to
explore
all
the
options,
but
just
as
I
would
for
one
would
not
be
in
support
of
one
way
unless
I
heard
a
lot
more
from
staff
that
it
was
a
good
idea
and
would
achieve
the
desired
results.
B
So
with
that
said,
all
in
favor
of
the
motion,
aye.
D
B
Old
business
there's
no
old
business
reports
of
Commissioners
and
staff.
Does
anybody
have
anything
to
report
or
they'd
like
to
comment
on.
F
B
F
Yep,
okay,
so
I
am
flipping
to
the
tentative
future
agenda
that
is
provided
towards
the
end
of
your
packet.
Just
want
to
give
a
couple
updates
on
some
items.
The
first
is
that
the
city's
housing
element
has
been
approved
by
the
California
Department
of
Housing
and
Community
Development,
which
is
a
major
step
necessary
to
which
is
a
major
step
necessary
in
maintaining
compliance
with
State
housing
laws.
F
This
was
a
very
large
effort
that
was
spearheaded
by
our
community
development
director,
Cecilia
garota
daily,
and
so
I
want
to
report
out
on
that.
In
response
to
some
of
the
programs
that
were
identified
in
that
housing
element
update,
the
Planning
Commission
will
be
seeing
some
items
in
the
very
near
future.
Specifically
November,
2nd
of
the
housing
element
rezoning
program
is,
is
slated
to
be
presented
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
that
that
rezoning
program
carries
out
some
of
the
the
the
policies
and
programs
identified
in
the
housing
element.
F
Additionally,
at
that
next
November
second
meeting,
we
will
have
a
specific
plan,
Amendment
amendments
for
for
five
of
our
seven
specific
plans.
This
is
a
a
project
designed
to
create
consistency
between
our
general
plan
and
our
specific
plans,
and
this
includes
the
Rancho
San
Clemente
specific
plan
in
Talega
specific
plan
Provisions
previously
discussed
related
to
Auto
uses
and
encouraging
those
in
the
business
park
away
from
El
Camino
Real.
So
that's
going
to
be
coming
up.
F
Let's
see,
in
addition
to
that
last
night,
at
the
city
council
meeting
the
West
Pico
Corridor
specific
plan
was
adopted.
F
Excuse
me,
the
ordinance
was
introduced
by
the
council,
and
this
was
approved
by
the
commission
of
about
a
month
and
a
half
or
two
ago
and
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
the
one
item,
where
there's
three
lots
or
discussed
as
being
added
to
the
West
Pico
Corridor
specific
plan
that
was
also
approved
by
Council,
so
those
so
those
will
so
the
the
expansion
of
that
specific
plan
area
will
will
occur
and
then
the
last
thing
we
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
we
have
a
new
senior
planner
that
is
going
to
be
starting
in
the
planning
division
on
November
1st
this.
F
This
is
a
management
position
and
they
will
be
overseeing
the
functions
of
our
current
planning
activities.
You
know
Sarah
Toma.
She
is
our
senior
planner.
F
She
will
be
handling
our
long-range
planning
functions,
so
this
is
the
first
time
in
the
year
that
I
have
been
the
deputy
community
development
director,
where
I
actually
have
two
senior
planners
overseeing
both
both
sections
of
the
planning
division
and
then
also
just
so
everybody's
aware
we
have
a
new
code
compliance
manager
position,
that's
starting
that's
another
position
that
that
has
been
unfilled
for
the
last
14
months
or
so,
since
I
vacated
it
to
become
the
deputy
community
development
director
that
that
position
is
now
will
be
filled.
F
That
position
also
starts
on
November
1st,
so
that'll
be
a
really
busy
week
for
me,
but
all
of
that's
to
say
that
it
will.
This
will
both
of
these
recruitments
will
really
help
free
up
a
lot
of
Staff
time
to
start
addressing
some
other
issues
and
as
well
as
my
time,
to
be
able
to
focus
more
entirely
on
on
the
planning
division
and
then
one
thing
for
our
design
review
subcommittee
members
granted.
F
One
in
our
alternate
is
here:
there
is
a
meeting
scheduled
for
November
23rd,
which
was
right
before
Thanksgiving.
There's
nothing
on
the
agenda
right
now.
If
there's
any
desire
to
not
hold
that
meeting
or
if
there's
an
understanding
that
members
will
be
absent,
it's
most
likely.
There
won't
be
enough
yeah.
Just
let
us
know
we
can
discuss
this
at
the
next
design
review
subcommittee
meeting,
but
I
want
to
put
that
on
your
radar
in
case.
That
meeting
would
be
better
to
cancel
and
that
wraps
up
my
report.
Thank
you.
F
I
believe
you
know
I
honestly,
I
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
where
that
rests
at
this
point,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
the
building
division
can
rely
on
contract
inspectors
and
plan
Checkers
rather
easily,
because
they're
all
reviewing
the
California
building
code.
I,
don't
know
exactly
where
that
is
today,
but
I
can
I
can
find
out
and
follow
up
with
you.