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A
Good
evening
I
will
call
the
regular
meeting
of
the
planning
commission
for
the
city
of
san
clemente.
California,
penn
state
unites
meeting
to
order.
Commissioner
cosgrove,
would
you
please
leave
us
in
the
pledge
yeah?
I.
A
C
Commissioner
camp
he's
absent
tonight,
commissioner
cosgrove.
B
C
Commissioner
mccacken
here,
commissioner
prescott
here,
cho
chair
pro
tem
mccann
here
and
chair
crandall,.
A
Here
the
next
item
in
business
is
special
order
of
business
and
special
presentations,
which
we
have
none.
We
have
one
set
of
minutes
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
medium
may
18th.
Do
we
have
any
revisions
or
a
motion.
A
D
A
Motion
by
mccakin
second
by
commissioner
prescott,
mr
prescott
vote.
Oh
yes,
hi
aye,
commissioner
aye,
commissioner
cosgrove
hi
and
commissioner
crandall
is
also
an.
I.
A
A
Public
hearing
process
includes
a
staff
presentation,
a
presentation
by
the
applicant
not
to
exceed
10
minutes
and
public
testimony
not
to
exceed
3
minutes
per
speaker
following
closure
of
the
public
hearing.
The
planning
commission
will
respond
to
questions
raised
during
the
hearing,
discuss
the
issues
and
act
upon
the
matter
by
motion.
Our
first
first
item
is
conditional
use
permit
22165
ashiyatsu
by
the
sea.
Massage
and
david
carrillo
is
the
staff
member
presenting
this
evening,
david.
D
Okay,
thank
you
good
evening
again
chair
members
of
the
commission.
Again,
the
project
is
shiatsu
by
the
sea.
Massage
conditional
use
permit
22-165
next
slide.
D
The
project's
location
is
1401.
North
el
camino
royale
suite
100.
We
can
see
the
property
highlighted
in
blue
on
the
image
and
it's
within
the
neighborhood
commercial,
two
zone
and
architectural
overlay
district.
We
can
also
see
the
the
property
being
across
from
bonito
canyon
park
next
slide.
D
Some
background
before
we
move
into
the
request,
so
this
image
shows
sweet
100,
it's
a
110
square
foot,
multi-tenant
suite,
that's
visible
from
el
camino
real
as
we
see
on
the
image
current
existing
tenants
within
this
suite
include
a
counseling
office,
real
estate
and
loan
office.
D
Again,
the
request
is
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
a
massage
establishment
at
a
multi-tenant
suite
proposed.
Massage
service
hours
are
10
am
to
5
pm
daily
services
provided
would
be
oshiotsu,
massages,
himalayan
hot
stone,
massages
and
pregnancy.
Massages
next
slide.
D
Here's
the
floor
plan
of
the
existing
suite,
so
the
red
arrow
identifies
the
entrance
to
the
suite.
You
can
see
that
you
walk
straight
into
a
shared
waiting
area
or
waiting
room
and
then
to
the
left.
There's
a
hallway
that
leads.
D
It
gives
access
to
three
rooms,
a
shared
bathroom,
a
shirt
bag,
a
break
room
and
an
additional
room
at
the
very
end
and
the
subject,
massage
room
is
highlighted
in
blue
next
slide,
so
the
purpose
of
a
conditional
use
permit
is
to
make
sure
that
the
request
is
consistent
with
the
city's
zones,
on
that
it
is
sensitive
to
the
community
and
neighborhood
identity
and
that
it
minimizes
impacts
to
adjacent
uses.
So
this
is
what
we'll
be
reviewing
today
and
analyzing
next
slide.
D
So
per
staff's
analysis
staff
determines
that
the
use
contributes
to
the
existing
mix
of
services
consistent
with
the
neighborhood
commercial
two
zone
vision,
there
aren't
any
major
exterior
interior
changes
required.
So
that
means
that
the
existing
spanish
floor
revival,
architecture
is
being
maintained
with
regards
to
to
the
building
and
to
the
courtyards
that
are
on
site.
There's.
Also
no
intensification
of
parking,
given
that
the
proposed
use
does
not
require
any
more
parking
than
the
previous
chiropractor
office
that
wasn't
in
that
room.
D
We
did
have
this
application
routed
to
the
orange
county
sheriff's
department.
They
did
complete
a
background,
check
and
determined
that
the
operator
is
in
good
standing.
They
did
not
find
any
any
records
indicating
that
there
was
any
illegal
activities
from
other
previous
operations
and
other
locations,
so
the
orange
county
sheriff's
department
does
support
the
use
and
operator
at
this
location.
D
Something
else
I
do
want
to
mention
and
add
here
is
that
as
part
of
this
process,
the
next
step
for
the
applicant
is
to
submit
and
obtain
approval
of
the
massage
establishment
business
license,
which
every
year
they
would
have
to
submit
for
a
background
check.
So
that
gives
the
city
an
opportunity
to
to
review
the
the
operators
activities
and
make
sure
that
they
maintain
that
good
standing
status.
D
So,
in
addition,
the
applicant
has
provided
proof
of
their
certification
per
state
to
go
ahead
and
provide
these
massage
services
next
slide
to
further
mitigate
impacts.
From
from
this
use
on
surrounding
properties,
we
have
added
several
conditions
of
approval.
Some
that
are
noteworthy
are
here
on
the
screen,
so
there
is
a
condition
that
requires
that
a
suite
manager
be
on
site
during
service
hours.
D
So
again,
this
is
another
condition
that
the
applicant
can
already
check
off
the
list,
given
that
we
receive
acknowledgement
from
the
tenants
within
that
suite
that
they
are
aware
and
support
the
massage
business
within
the
suite
there's
also
a
condition
that
would
require
the
installation
of
surveillance
cameras
to
capture
the
street
entrance.
This
would
facilitate
the
city's
ability
to
investigate
if
there's
a
a
need
to
investigate
the
use
and
its
operations.
D
An
installation
of
an
exterior
light
fixture
would
also
be
required
as
a
condition.
The
light
fixture
would
have
to
be
installed
at
the
entry
to
further
light
up
the
exterior
surroundings,
and,
lastly,
there
is
a
condition
which
would
require
that
the
massage
services
terminate
no
later
than
7
pm
next
slide.
D
B
C
Let's
see
you
know
at
this
point
david,
if
you
could
forward
those
to
me,
I
will
read
them
into
the
record.
I
think
that's
the
most
appropriate
thing
at
this
point.
I
apologize
that
those
were
not
received
by
the
commission.
A
Looks
like
sheila,
ann
newman
is
the
applicant,
and
if
she
wishes
to
speak,
speak
now
or
you
do
not
need
to.
A
Very
good,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
We
will
open
up
for
public
comment.
Anyone
here
want
to
speak
to
this
item.
A
Okay,
we
will
wait
for
the
to
have
the
public
comments
read
into
the
red
to
the
commission,
but
we
can
open.
Let's
see
now,
can
we
go
ahead
and
open
and
then
receive
the
public
comment?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
We
will
open
up
for
discussion
and
I
will
make
one
clarification
that
we're
here
looking
at
the
land
use
portion
of
this,
the
conditional
use
permit
and
whether
or
not
we
know
that
in
the
business
license
application
they
require
the
background,
check,
etc.
A
C
Chair
crandall:
yes,
if
I
could
release
the
public
comment
and
and
this
this
was
sent
to
the
commission
at
2-
52
p.m
today,
so
it
was
received
recently.
So
this
comment
comes
from
lucy,
stafford
lewis.
This
is
my
formal
consent
to
the
special
conditions.
I'm
sorry.
C
Okay,
this
comment
comes
from
susan
neal,
to
whom
it
may
concern.
My
name
is
susan
neal,
and
I
am,
I
am
co-owner
of
natural
approach,
chiropractic
located
in
bend
oregon.
I'm
writing
to
you
to
today
to
explain
my
professional
business
connection
with
sheila
newman
we've
been
in
business
since
2007,
and
we
have
in-network
status
with
many
major
medical
insurance
companies,
including
blue
cross,
blue
shield,
providence
united
healthcare,
to
name
a
few.
In
our
chiropractic
office.
C
We
have
licensed
massage
therapists
that
deliver
massage
therapy
and
medical
massage
to
our
chiropractic
patients,
before
or
after
their
adjustments
from
dr
neil
sheila
was
one
of
our
lmt's
from
april
2018
to
march
2019.
I
believe
she
would
still
be
with
us
if
she
didn't
relocate
due
to
her
husband's
career.
She
worked
in
our
office
several
days
during
the
week.
C
The
majority
of
massage
therapy
is
covered
by
the
major
medical
insurance
companies
which
our
office
billed
on
behalf
of
sheila
sheila,
was
always
professional,
reliable
and
pleasant
to
work
with
she
completed
her
continuing
education
in
a
timely
manner
each
year,
along
with
her
license
and
insurance
renewals
when
necessary.
She
also
completed
her
hipaa
requirements.
As
needed
with
our
chiropractic
office,
sheila
was
an
outstanding
addition
to
our
team,
and
we
would
always
welcome
her
back
if
she
returns
to
bend
oregon
and
then
she
leaves
her
contact
info
if
any
additional
questions
arise.
C
David,
I
I'm
gonna,
need
you
to
kind
of
walk,
walk
me
through
some
of
these.
The
the
email
from
april
21st
from
amy
lyons.
Is
that
a
public
comment
or
is
that
just
a
consent.
C
C
And
she
says
I
am
a
senior
citizen
living
in
bend
oregon.
I
was
lucky
enough
to
find
sheila
newman
several
months
after
she
set
up
her
practice
of
massage
therapy
here
in
bend.
I
discovered
her
in
2012,
I
believe,
and
continued
to
get
massage
from
her
regularly
until
she
closed
her
practice
in
march
of
2019.
C
Sheila
is
a
very
gifted
massage
therapist
and
was
able
to
help
me
with
all
my
usual
aches
and
pains
as
well
as
the
injuries
I
would
sometimes
get
from
too
much
gardening
or
too
many
hours
spent
making
quilts
we
quilters
tend
to
be
over
focused
on
sewing
and
don't
get
up
and
stretch
enough.
My
primary
care
doctor
recommended
massage
therapy
as
a
way
to
help
me
continue
with
my
active
lifestyle
both
indoors
and
outdoors
here
in
the
mountains,
and
I
was
happy
to
find
sheila
when
she
moved
here.
C
I
have
a
friend
margie
who
visited
me
from
portland
and
had
me
schedule
a
massage
with
sheila.
During
the
time
she
was
visiting,
she
wanted
sheila
to
come
to
portland,
to
give
her
massage.
My
friend
suffers
from
rheumatoid
arthritis
and
said
she
had
never
had
as
good
a
as
good
a
massage
ever
sheila
is
extremely
professional
in
her
practice,
always
maintaining
total
cleanliness
in
her
work
space
and
an
ambient
ambience,
calm
and
peaceful
quiet.
I
still
miss
her
gentle
healing
touch.
C
I
understand
sheila
has
to
go
before
your
board
to
get
permission
to
open
her
studio
there
in
san
clemente.
I
am
sure
she
will
be
a
welcome
member
of
the
healing
community
there
in
bend.
We
have
a
large
number
of
retirees
as
well
as
active,
very
athletic
younger
people,
and
she
has
the
skills
to
help
both
young
and
old,
with
keeping
our
bodies
moving
and.
C
Well,
as
we
go
about
our
activities
in
life,
the
next
one
is
from
noelle
smiley.
Who
is
a
san
clemente
resident?
She
says
greetings.
I
am
writing
this
email
in
support
of
sheila
newman's
application
for
approval
to
open
a
massage
establishment
in
the
city
of
san
clemente.
I
have
been
a
client
of
sheilas
for
over
a
year
at
her
current
location,
and
I
can
attest
to
her
professionalism
and
commitment
to
the
well-being
of
others.
C
I
believe
it
is
worth
noting
that
I
am
a
police
officer
with
the
law
enforcement
agency
in
orange
county,
so
I
understand
the
damage
that
illegal
massage
establishments
can
have
on
a
community.
I
can
assure
you
I
have
no
concerns
about
sheila's
application
in
that
regard.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
please
do
not
hesitate
to
contact
me.
Should
you
have
any
questions
and
then
she
leaves
her
contact.
Information
david
is,
is
that
email?
I
asked
about
a
public
comment.
D
A
You
very
much
some
very
nice
comments
about
the
applicant
okay.
We
will
go
back
to
depending
on
discussion
within
the
doctor.
E
David,
I
have,
since
you
brought
it
up.
I
have
a
quick
question:
can
you
tell
me
the
difference?
You
said
the
next
step
would
be
a
massage
business
license,
and
then
you
also
mentioned
certification
are
those
two
different
applications.
D
D
B
David,
can
you
expand
on
the
condition
for
the
suite
manager?
Is
that
an
independent
person
on
site
at
all
times?
I
I
just?
Can
you
just
clarify
what
this
site
manager
is
the
condition
we
have
for
here
calling
for
it.
D
Yeah,
so
the
intent
there
was
to
in
the
in
the
event,
if
there's
any
you
know,
complaints
or
concerns
from
from
the
public
or
the
city
that
would
warrant
investigation
of
the
operations
that
facilitates
the
city
having
access
to
the
suite.
So
we
have
identified
an
existing
tenant
within
the
suite
that
has
agreed
to
be
the
point
of
contact
per
se
for
for
that
suite.
So
it
is
an
existing.
B
D
B
Okay,
I'm
I
just
not
maybe
I'm
confused,
but
this
conditional
use
permit
goes
to
the
building.
B
D
A
And
the
I'll
say
right
now
that
the
a
second
applicant
would
have
to
go
through
the
entire
business
licensing
process.
Again:
okay,
the
business
license
doesn't
continue
with
the
land.
Just
the
operator.
B
Okay
right,
so
we
may
all
be
impressed
with
the
credentials
and
the
recommendations
of
previous
customers
of
this
particular
practitioner,
but
that's
really
interesting,
but
and
and
nice
to
know,
but
really
from
a
conditional
use.
Permit
it's
the
building,
that's
getting
it.
A
C
I'll
just
add
you
know:
david
has
done
a
a
good
job
with
this
project.
It
is
a
bit
unique
in
terms
of
our
typical
use
permits
in
that
there
is
a
suite
that
is
not
entirely
controlled
by
the
massage
business.
It
is
a
portion
of
a
suite
and
in
order
for
the
city
staff
to
be
comfortable
with
this
application
and
support
it,
we've
conditioned
it
to
require
that
the
entire
suite
essentially
is
open
for
inspection
because
of
the
massage
business.
C
C
Two
per
year,
I'll
say
random
inspections,
and
in
order
for
us
to
verify
that
the
the
business
within
the
suite
is
compliant,
we
need
to
see
the
entire
suite.
So
the
suite
manager
is
really
somebody
that
is
taking
on
the
taking
on
the
burden
of
ensuring
that,
during
these
times,
that
staff
would
have
access
to
to
everything.
In
that
suite.
B
Yeah
I
see
that
on
7.28
of
our
resolution,
a
manager
of
the
business
shall
be
on
the
premises
at
all
times
and
available
to
respond
to
issues
freeze
by
representatives
from
the
orange
county,
sheriff's
department,
orange
county
fire
authority
and
san
clemente
city
of
san
clemente
code.
Compliance
during
hours
of
operation,
okay,.
B
And
then
I
looking
for,
but
I
assume
there
is
also
as
our
chairperson
crandall
indicated,
there
will
be
a
requirement
for
any
operator
of
that
use
would
undergo
all
the
a
business
license,
re
approval
process.
B
C
That's
correct:
that's
correct
for
subsequent
operators
this
this
would
not.
There
would
not
be.
There
would
not
be
a
situation
where
we
would
have
two
people
great
both.
D
B
D
A
Okay,
adam
either
staff
or
you
could
you
go
through
for
everyone's
benefit,
the
hierarchy
of
the
approval
of
the
business
license.
It
goes
first
to
community
development,
correct.
A
C
Massage
establishment
business
license
is
an
administrative
review,
and
so
it
goes
to
it
starts
with
the
finance
department,
because
that's
that's
who
handles
business
licenses
when
they
receive
it,
then
they
route
it
to
multiple
divisions
of
the
city,
including
planning
code,
compliance,
the
orange
county
sheriff's
department
who
have
their
own
business,
license
review
team
and
the
building
division
and
orange
county
fire
authority
are
our
typical
reviewers
those
the
individuals
reviewing
that
application
would
review
the
request
against
the
code
and
make
sure
that
it
that
all
of
the
requirements
in
the
in
the
municipal
code
are
met
each
year
once
that,
once
that
is
accomplished
and
everybody
signed
off
on
it,
then
it
would
get
routed
back.
C
A
Very
good,
thank
you
and
I'll
go
ahead
and
jump
in
next
on
this
and
do
kind
of
the
step-by-step
process
thought
process
I've
gone
through
and
our
decision
is
to
be
based
on
the.
A
Four
items
of
this
particular
project
pro
proposed
use
is
permitted
within
the
subject
zone
pursuant
to
the
approval
of
the
conditional
use
permit,
which
it
does
and
complies
with
all
applicable
provisions
of
the
title
section
of
the
general
plan
and
proposed
an
intent
of
the
zone
in
which
the
use
is
being
proposed,
and
it
appears
that
staff
has
studied
this,
and
I
can
make
that
finding
that
that
can
be
done.
The
site
is
suitable
for
the
type
and
intensity
of
use
that
is
proposed.
A
It's
an
odd
one.
I
agree
that
it's
a
little
unique
that
it's
sharing
the
bathroom
and
whatnot,
but
I
don't
see
that
that's
a
problem
in
making
that
finding
that's
the
second
one,
the
third
one
the
pros
use,
will
not
be
detrimental
to
public
health,
safety
or
welfare
or
materially
injurious
to
properties
and
improvements
in
the
vicinity.
I
can
make
being
that
it
is
so
limited
and
all
make
that
finding
and
the
propositions
will
not
negatively
impact
surrounding
land
uses,
and
I
can
make
that
finding.
A
So
I
find
that
all
of
that
is
in
line
and
I
can
make
those
finals.
But
now
could
you
just
do
a
quick,
read
through
one
more
time
of
the
resolution,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
regional
resolution
doesn't
infer.
We
took
into
account
that
the
orange
county
fire
department
has
done
a
background
check
and
all
and
that
we
are
approving
or
agreeing
that
that
was
correct
or
not.
We
understand
it
has
to
be
done.
A
E
I
have
one
question
adam.
You
look
like
you
were
going
to
say
something.
E
C
And
I
appreciate
that,
commissioner
prescott,
I
would
like
to
address
that
because
I
can
at
this
time,
so
you
are
correct.
The
the
resolution
includes
statements
of
findings
that
are
related
to
the
orange
county.
Sheriff's
department
background
check
the
the
this.
C
These
applications
are
required
to
be
reviewed
by
the
orange
county
sheriff's
department
in
this
type
of
situation,
when
there
is
not
an
existing
massage
establishment,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
for
them
to
review.
However,
the
review
includes
both
the
site
and
the
operator,
because
it's
the
same
review
that
they're
going
to
need
to
get
for
the
massage
establishment
business
license
and
so
staff
included
their
finding
in
its
entirety.
C
If
the
commission
is
not
comfortable
with
the
language,
that's
in
here
because,
as
you
mentioned,
you're
correct
that
that's
not
required
to
be
a
finding
or
a
basis
to
meet
the
findings,
I
can
mal
and
I
can
work
on
some
quick
word.
Smithing.
A
E
Okay,
my
question
adam:
can
you
elaborate
just
a
little
bit
on
the
massage
establishment
business
license?
Is
that
specific
to
this
location
or
can
that
apply
to
many
locations?
Let's
say
it
could
be
another
another
type
of
a
business
next
door
or
in
that
same
area.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
license
itself.
C
So
the
massage
establishment
business
license
is
specific
to
this
particular
site.
It
is
not
transferable
to
other
locations
and
it
it
it
does
not.
The
re-application
process
requires
the
exact
same
information
and
documents
that
the
initial
application
is
so
it
every
year
they
need
to
reapply
for
it.
It's
not
just
to
pay
a
fee
and
then
get
it
reissued,
like
most
other
business
licenses
in
the
city.
B
C
The
approval
that
would
be
granted
by
this
conditional
use
permit
would
be
limited
specifically
to
this
room
in
this
suite.
Okay,
and
it
could
not
be
modified.
B
C
An
amendment
to
the
conditional
department,
so
the
conditions
of
approval
I
state
state,
essentially
this
that
and
I'll
just
I'll,
just
read
it
condition.
B
B
C
Correct
one
thing
to
note
is
that
the
suite
provides
required
features
of
massage
establishments,
so
the
bathroom
the
break
room,
those
types
of
features,
the
reception
area,
those
still
need
to
be
provided
as
they're
described
here.
The
blue
outline
in
that
plan
is
the
only
place
where
massage
services
are
allowed
to
be
provided.
Okay,
but
the
the
rest
of
the
suite
does
provide
some
required
features.
D
C
D
To
I
had
a
question,
but
I
think
it's
I
think
I
resolved
it
requiring
a
light
being
stalled,
and
I
was
heard
that
the
hours
of
operation
were
going
to
end
at
five,
but
I
guess
our
conditions
allow
them
to
go
to
seven.
So
in
the
winter
there
would
be
some
dark
hours
in
there
is.
That
was
that
the
was
that
the
theory
for
the
asking
for
the
light
correct
commission
mccann.
A
Very
good,
okay:
do
we
have
anyone
to
make
a
motion
on
this
item.
D
Sure
candy,
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
agree
you
know
with
your
review
of
the
of
the
findings.
I
also
can
make
those
findings
for
the
for
the
cup.
If
you
like,
I
could
make
a
motion
that.
A
Okay,
adam,
should
we
include
sql
finance.
C
B
D
A
A
Already
said
that
yeah
yeah
and
that
we
adopt
resolution,
okay,
that's
the
motion.
We
have
a
second
by
commissioner
mccacken,
we'll
take
the
vote.
Commissioner
prescott.
E
A
A
Our
next
item
is
new
business,
which
is
permit
street
streamlining
and
mr
obtaining
will
be
making
presentation.
C
Could
we
get
a
five-minute
recess?
We
need
to
set
up
a
powerpoint
and
it
was.
C
Okay-
oh,
no,
that's
fine!
All
right!
Kade!
You
can
put
the
powerpoint
up
on
screen.
I
will
do
a
brief
introduction
and
our
senior
planner
sarah
thoma
will
be
providing
the
narrative
for
the
presentation.
C
But
this
item
that's
before
you
is
a
council-initiated
item
that
was
referred
to
the
planning
commission
for
input,
and
this
will
culminate
at
this
time,
at
least
in
a
return
of
the
city
council
at
the
june
21st
meeting
for
a
special
presentation
to
the
council.
So
with
that,
I
will
turn
this
over
to
sarah.
E
Perfect,
thank
you
adam
good
evening,
commissioners.
Sarah
thomas
senior
planner
I'll
be
presenting
to
you
the
permit
streamlining
like
adam
saying
that
this
is
a
city
initiated
review
of
a
financial
streamlining
opportunity.
Next
slide,
please
so
just
to
set
things
up
a
little
bit.
E
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
quick
background
for
based
on
our
city
council
meeting
and
then
talk
about
our
planning,
divisions,
work,
program
and
timeline
that
we
discussed
during
the
city
council
meeting
and
then
talk
about
the
streamlining
opportunities
and
then
we'll
go
through
the
stash
recommendation
and
at
the
end
of
my
slides,
we'll
basically
go
through
point
by
point,
which
is
the
list
that
was
provided
as
attachment.
Two
of
your
staff
report
next
slide.
E
Please
so
march
of
this
year
march,
1st
of
this
year,
council
directed
staff,
basically
to
report
on
potential
code
and
or
design
guidelines,
modification
to
streamline
the
permitting
process
and
in
may
of
25.
We
basically
went
to
the
council
and
we
reported
back
on
that.
What
we
focused
on
was
two
things.
E
One
was
the
current
planning
division's
work
program
and
as
well
as
we
provided
the
council
with
a
list
of
potential
streamlining
opportunities
and
for
today's
meeting,
actually
sorry
to
go
back
so
during
the
council
meeting
council
directed
staff
to
come
to
planning
commission
to
get
their
feedback
on
that
specific
list
which
we'll
go
through
one
by
one
at
the
end
of
my
presentation.
E
Please,
for
the
specific
plan
updates
and
a
lot
of
the
commissioners
are
very
involved
in
this,
which
basically
focuses
on
updating
a
specific
six
specific
plans
that
will
be
consistent
with
our
general
plan
and
that
mostly
focuses
on
auto
uses,
as
well
as
the
los
molino's
design
guidelines
and
staff
was
anticipating
to
come
to
the
commission
for
review
july
august
of
this
year,
for
our
permit
tracking
system
upgrade.
E
This
is
also
has
been
underway,
and
staff
will
probably
be
coming
to
the
council
under
a
study
session
to
provide
a
demo.
This
is
our
current
permitting
system.
The
upgrade
is
much
needed.
It'll
be
focused
on
a
web-based
system
where
an
applicant
can
submit
their
application.
It'll
streamline
the
process,
avoid
any
errors
and
any
requirements
that's
required,
attachment
that
they
need
to
provide,
as
well
as
from
city
staff,
will
be
able
to
respond
quicker
rather
than
emails
back
and
forth
for
our
housing
element
rezoning
program.
This
is
a
state
mandated
requirement.
E
It's
actually
we're
supposed
to
have
this
project
complete
october
of
this
year.
It's
basically
the
second
part
of
our
housing
element
that
are
that
got
adopted.
E
Currently,
this
project,
we
put
out
a
request
for
proposal
on
planet
bids
and
that's
supposed
to
close
in
june
10th
and
we're
hoping
to
get
some
quality
proposals
and
we're
anticipating
to
have
a
consultant
on
board,
hopefully
by
july,
and
then
the
last
one,
which
is
our
implementation
plan
of
the
local
coastal
program.
As
again
as
you
may
know,
that
staff
is
currently
working
with
the
with
coastal
staff
on
our
draft
ip
and
we're
basically
going
page
by
page
on
all
of
their
comments.
So
this
project
is
huge.
E
Next
slide,
please!
So
for
the
streamlining
opportunities.
The
list
that
we
compiled
basically
focus
on
simplification
of
some
of
the
applications
that
we
currently
have
addressing
the
process
of
minor
additions
and
remodels
in
a
proximity
to
historic
resources.
E
Reducing
the
level
of
review,
for
example,
rather
than
the
planning
commission,
it'll
it'll,
be
to
ca
approval
and
then
just
allowing
more
staff
level
decisions
very
minor
things
that
we
as
staff,
can
make
those
findings
next
slide,
please.
E
E
It'll
it'll
show
what
we
did
here.
We
went
point
my
point
for
signs,
simplification,
applications
and
what
we
did
here.
We
provided
kind
of
where,
in
the
authority
for
example
like
is
it
ca,
is
it
planning?
Commission
is
a
city
planner
versus
planning
commission,
and
we
try
to
simplify
it
for
current
process
and
proposed
process.
E
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
the
time
here
that's
noted,
this
is
just
an
estimate
and,
and
then
adam,
please
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong
the
the
way
we
looked
at
it
was
from
the
time
the
applicant
submits
and
redeemed
the
application
complete
and
until
they
actually
get
entitled
is
the
time
frame
that
we
were
looking
at.
C
Yes,
that
is
correct,
and
I
will
just
say
at
this
point.
Thank
you,
sarah
for
that
presentation.
The
next
few
slides
are
the
each
of
the
bullets
and
kate.
If
we
can
go
back,
my
apologies,
each
one
of
these
lines
is
each
one
of
the
bullets,
and
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
is
go
through.
C
What
staff
is
anticipating
could
be
a
streamlining
opportunity
with
this
particular
item
provide
a
little
bit
of
background
in
terms
of
how
long
staff
believes
it
would
take
to
actually
do
the
work
necessary
to
make
this
change
and
and
then
what
that
change
would
potentially
provide
for
our
customers
either
in
generally
speaking,
in
a
reduction
of
processing
time,
to
the
extent
that
we
can
we've
put
together
some
rough
numbers
as
what
we
would
anticipate.
C
Our
yearly
number
of
permits
related
to
each
item
would
be,
and
the
intention
here
is
to
is
really
identify
which
items
give
us
the
biggest
bang
for
the
buck,
because
some
of
these
things,
while
they're
there
they
could
be
a
big
benefit
to
our
customers,
may
only
be
one
customer
a
year,
and
so
with
the
council's
direction.
C
We
want
to
get
some
feedback
from
the
from
the
commission
on
the
essentially
your
your
support
for
this
type
of
change,
but
also
the
the
priority,
if
you
will,
of
which
ones
would
be
the
best
to
to
begin
with,
and
then
when
staff
goes
to
the
city
council
and
provide
this
information
they
can,
they
can
determine
what
the
direction
for
staff
should
be
at
that
time.
C
No-
and
I
and
I,
but
I
do
appreciate
that
question
because
it
allows
me
to
say
a
couple
of
things.
The
first
is:
we
also
have
chris
wright
our
associate
planner
too,
with
us
he's
via
zoom.
He
has
a
lot
of
historical
information
related
to
these
items.
C
These
have
been
on
the
planning,
divisions,
kind
of
running
list
of
streamlining
opportunities,
and
so
he'll,
chime
in
when,
when
that
that
information
is
needed,
but
also
on
some
of
these
types
of
details,
what
I
would
recommend
is
that
we
go
line
by
line
rather
than
kind
of
jumping
around,
but
just
to
answer
your
question
since
you
asked
the
commissioner
when
we're
talking
about
simplifying
applications,
we're
talking
about
reducing
the
number
of
permit
types,
and
that
would
be
based
on
our
ability
to.
C
It
would
be
based
on
our
ability
to
either
combine
very
similar
permits
that
have
very
similar
findings
into
one
type
of
of
application
or
and
and
chris
jump
in.
If
I'm,
if
I'm
incorrect
about
this,
it
would
all
it
could
also.
Actually
you
know,
I
think
that
is
that
the
only
that
would
be
it
yeah.
C
So
it's
just
it.
It's
just
reducing
the
number
of
application
types.
So,
right
now,
let's
say
we
have
15
or
so
more
likely
used
applications
than
most.
We
would
be
talking
about
trying
to
get
those
down
to
six
or
seven
types
of
applications,
and
that
would
streamline
the
process
and
that
it
would
be
it'd,
be
more
straightforward
for
applicants
less
confusing
to
try
to
meander
through
the
website
to
figure
out
what
what
type
of
permit
that
they.
A
Want,
okay,
very
good,
I'm
gonna
make
one
little
quick
comment
to
the
commissioners
as
you're
hearing
each
bullet
point.
Historically
how
they
ended
up
getting
the
approvals
they
are
now
is
an
evaluation
was
made
on
what
is
important
to
the
public
and
in
the
public
eye.
E
C
So
the
permit
tracking
software
that
we
have
right
now
is
track
it,
and
the
upgrade
is
to
a
version
of
that
program
track
it
nine,
which
is
online.
C
That
is
a
multi-division
process
occurring
in
the
city
right
now,
it's
being
led
by
the
it
division
and-
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
we
anticipate
coming
in
in
september.
But
since
that's
not
since
planning,
is
not
in
control
of
that
process.
It's
kind
of
hard
to
say
the
upgrade
is
going
to
do
a
few
things
it's
going
to
allow
for
online
application,
submittals,
which
staff
believes
is
going
to
be
a
very
large
and
impactful
change
for
a
number
of
reasons.
One.
C
C
E
C
Yes,
it
it
would
typically
not
change
hands
once
it's
assigned.
However,
that's
not
always
the
case.
Things
happen,
people
leave,
they
get
sick
for
some
period
of
time
and
we
have
to
reassign
an
application,
but
if
it
were
to
be
reassigned,
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
visible
through
the
public
portal
to
the
applicants.
E
C
That
I'm
not
I'm
not
certain
of
we
are
we're
going
through
the
process
right
now
of
identifying
those
types
of
features,
I
think.
E
C
Yeah,
so
that's
a
great
point:
I'm
going
to
again
rely
on
mr
wright.
If,
yes,
I
see
him
on,
he
can
jump
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
but
right
now,
the
email
essentially
that
people
submit
through
is
it's
staffed,
call
it
by
one
or
two
people.
Specifically.
C
In
the
upgrade-
and
I
I
I'm
hoping
kate
might
be
able
to
at
least
wave
at
me
if
I'm
wrong,
it
wouldn't
go
to
it,
wouldn't
be
in
it,
wouldn't
be
taken
in
by
a
particular
staff.
C
F
So
I
think
I
could
answer
that
question
or
add
on
to
that
adam
is
it's
all
how
you
set
it
up
and
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
doing
is
is
making
it
where
an
application
comes
in.
It
goes
into
a
bucket,
so
it's
not
dependent
on
one
staff
person.
It
would
go
to
a
place
where
it
would
be
almost
like
think
of
an
inbox,
an
office,
so
it
would
go
to
a
place
and
then
probably
a
senior
planner
would
go
and
take
a
look
at
that
submittal
and
then
assign
it.
C
Okay,
so
I
will
have
sarah
with
chris's
help
go
through
each
of
these
items.
I
will
chime
in
as
necessary
if
there's.
A
C
Questions
along
the
way,
please
please
ask,
as
chair
crandall
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
of
nuance
here,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
discretionary
authority
and
that's
that
can
be
somewhat
hard
to
translate
in
a
presentation
like
this.
So
if
there's
any
questions
about
what
the
implications
of
these
types
of
changes
would
be,
now
is
the
time
to
ask.
C
E
Okay,
perfect,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
it
and
then
we
can
discuss
so
the
first
one
is
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
talking
about
signs.
The
first
bullet
is
signed
program
with
city
planner
approval,
except
for
historic
structures
and
signage
on
new
development
and
major
remodels
approved
through
discretionary
process.
So
for
that
signage
allow
subsequent
review
with
ca
approval
versus
pc
and
then
christopher.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
chime
in
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
about
the
history
of
these.
F
F
There
was
consideration
of
streamlining
at
that
time,
and
this
was
one
of
the
items
that
came
up
because
we
spent
so
I
wanted
to
to
just
mention
the
2018
effort
because
and
adam
had
pointed
out,
we've
had
a
list
of
items.
This
is
one
that
comes
up
because
for
any
item
on
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
here,
we
put
it
on
the
list.
F
Considering
that
oftentimes
you
go
to
a
public
meeting
and
there'll,
be
no
one
showing
up
there'll,
be
no
public
comments,
there's
very
little
changes
to
conditions
of
approval,
there's
little
to
no
public
testimony
or
people
showing
up
at
meetings
and
public
concern.
So
I
for
a
little
context.
There
just
wanted
to
note
a
common
theme
of
why
these
items
are
being
presented
to
you.
F
B
Just
instead
of
saving
it
all
up
to
the
end,
so
signs
are
one
of
those
things
that
I
think
no
one
cares
about
until
it's
ugly
and
people
hate
it,
and
then
you
have
an
outrage
like
what
the
heck
are
you
doing
so
so
I
I,
but
I
understand
and
appreciate
everything
you
guys
just
said.
B
C
You're
correct
in
in
the
process
that
you're
describing
the
change
to
process.
One
thing
I
want
to
clarify
is
that
these
are
these
are
identity.
These
are
identified
opportunities
by
staff.
C
We
are
we're
taking
the
council's
direction
here,
yes,
and
when
it
comes
to
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
it's
it's
the
city
council,
with
planning
commission's
input.
That's
going
to
tell
tell
us
how
you
know
what
what
to
do.
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
say
that
staff
is
is
recommending
that
the
city
planner
have
this
approval,
we're
saying
there's
an
opportunity.
B
C
C
Okay,
yeah
we're
we're
not
gonna,
identify
something
as
an
opportunity
that
we
believe
is
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
to
implement
yeah.
So
these
are
things
that
that
staff
feels
comfortable,
that
we
can
do
whether
it's
it's
the
direction
that
the
city
would
like
to
go
in.
That's
up
to
the
city
council
and
the
planning
with
planning
commission
input
with.
D
D
C
That's
a
great
question,
commissioner:
there's
a
few
there's
a
there's
a
few
possibilities
here.
The
first
is
that,
according
to
the
existing
municipal
code
staff
level,
decisions
typically
do
not
have
a
noticing
requirement.
Now
there
are
some
exceptions
to
that.
There
are
wireless
facilities
that
staff
can
approve
that
require
a
notice
to
neighbors
within
for
property
owners
within
300
feet.
C
However,
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
cannot
put
something
in
the
code
that
requires
staff
to
notice
people
of
those
types
of
applications.
The
problem
with
that
is
that
that
type
of
notice
is
typically
provided
after
the
approval,
so
it
doesn't
really
provide
a
lot
of
input
and
that's
the
thing
with
administrative
decisions.
Is
that
they're
objective,
not
subjective,
there's,
no
discretion.
C
Staff
cannot
look
at
something
and
make
a
subjective
determination
about
whether
it
meets
the
code
or
not.
They
really
need
to
be
like
yes
or
no
questions.
A
specific
height
limits,
things
of
things
that
we
can
identify,
not
things
that
that
reasonable
people
could
disagree
about
and
and
staffs,
not
supportive
of
providing
staff
with
that
type
of
authority,
because
it
is
that
that
type
of
decision
really
requires
a
public
hearing.
That's
that's
one
of
the
points
of
public
hearings.
F
Yeah,
can
I
add
on
to
that
please
yeah,
so
some
cities
they'll
have
a
like
a
director
level
decision
where
they'll
send
a
notice
out
and
if
they
hear
comments,
then
they'll
initiate
a
meeting.
So
there
are
options
out
there
that
the
city
doesn't
have
in
its
current
code
and
we
would
have
to
explore
those.
So
I
think
that
for
for
this
I
want
to
say
even
the
prior
times
we've
discussed,
streamlining
a
lot
of
the
discussion
was
centered
around.
F
What
level
of
review
is
most
appropriate
for
the
type
of
request
right
and
there's
things
to
consider
like
a
public
hearing
the
amount
of
transparency
and
ability
for
the
public
to
know
a
decision
is
going
to
be
made
and
where
is
it
an
issue
of
high
public
concern
or
one
that
is
more
straightforward?
F
Considering
the
things
I
mentioned
are
there
public
comments
at
meetings?
Are
the
issues
complex
are
the
is
the
type
of
request,
something
that's
more
objective
or
subjective
like
adam
had
mentioned,
and
so
those
are
the
sort
of
things
that
were
where,
when
I
said
excessive
about
signs
it's
just.
Maybe
you
know
that
that
kind
of
more
sounds
like
we're,
making
a
firm
recommendation.
C
Thank
you,
chris
and
then
one
other
thing
I
will
say
if,
if
the
proposed
or
potential
streamlining
opportunity
identifies
a
going
from
a
discretionary
review
to
an
administrative
review,
staff's
recommendation
would
be
that
we
do
not
create
a
notice
noticing
requirement
for
it.
That's
not
something
that
we
do
a
lot
right
now
and
so
in
terms
of
streamlining.
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
jump
in
on
this
first
point:
I'm
not
comfortable
with.
Basically,
this
is,
I
think
too
vague.
It
doesn't
talk
about
architectural
overlay
zones,
it
doesn't
talk
about
designated
city
entries,
it
doesn't
talk
about
freeway,
visible
signage.
A
And
these
do
get
a
lot
of
public
comment,
particularly
in
the
historic
districts,
our
main
thoroughfare
down
el
camino,
doing
that
so
I'm
hesitant
to
leave
anything
this
wide
open
at
this
point
in
time.
A
C
Yes
and
that's
a
great
point,
chair
crandall,
we
have
not
written
the
code
like
to
propose
this
type
of
change.
We
have
not
gone
through
every
iteration
or
every
impact.
These
are
very
general
recommendations
for
for
potential
modifications
of
the
code.
So
I
guess
the
the
bigger
picture
question
that
we're
trying
to
answer
is:
could
signs?
Could
there
be
signs
that
we
would
want
to
or
be
supportive
of
having
a
lower
level
of
review
than
than
it's
currently
set
at.
A
With
that
clarification,
I'm
sure
there
are
ones
like
that,
and
and.
C
Just
one
other
thing:
I
apologize
go
ahead.
The
the
process
at
this
point
would
be
for
the
city
council
to
to
take
the
planning
commission's
recommendations
and
and
staff's
presentation
and
decide
what
the
direction
moving
forward
would
be,
and
in
any
case
a
zoning
amendment
would
be
initiated
and
it
would
come
back
to
the
planning
commission.
C
So
this
is
not.
These
are
not
items
that
are
anywhere
near
flushed
out
enough
for
for
the
council
to
simply
approve
in
their
current
form.
Okay,
very.
E
You
on
on
the
front
page,
it
says
under
project
description.
It
does
say
that
recommendations
include
simplification
of
some
zoning
applications
and
then
it
goes
down
and
says
the
proposed
streamline
would
allow
staff
to
make
more
decisions
on
these
projects
and
change
some
process
levels
from
the
planning
commission
to
the
za
approved
for
ca
approval.
C
I'm
I
in
in
my
previous
statement,
I'm
referring
to
the
process
to
amend
the
code
to
make
these
changes.
The
the
proposed,
or,
I
want
to
say,
proposed
the
the
potential
opportunities
to
streamline
those
could
be.
C
Those
would
include
potentially
include
knocking
down
a
review
level
from
planning
commission
to
zoning
administrator,
but
the
actual
act
of
amending
the
code
would
would
require
the
planning
commission
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council.
So
the
these
are.
These
are
very
general
at
this
stage,
but
in
order
for
this
to
be
enacted,
we
staff
would
need
to
get
initiation
from
the
council,
create
the
ordinances,
bring
them
back
to
the
planning
commission
for
recommendation
and
then
go
back
to
the
city
council.
B
B
So
what
we
would
do
is
listen
to
this
maybe
make
some
comments
as
we
go
with
the
idea
that
it
goes
to
council
with
a
recommendation
from
us
that
the
staff
then
define
these
in
detail
and
then
return
to
us.
For
the
actual
you
know,
implementation
of
whatever
changes
are
going
to
come
about
from
these
from
the
list.
So
this
would
be
an
initial
pass
and
then,
as
the
council
authorizes
the
staff
to
work
on
this,
then
the
staff
would
return
to
us.
B
That's
what
I
hear
you
saying
adam
with
you
know
piece
by
piece,
probably
with
the
implementation
of
okay.
This
is
now
a
revised
sign
program
where
staff
would
just
to
use
one
this
as
an
example
will
now
administratively
approve
these
signs,
but
these
signs
over
here
will
continue
to
go,
as
you
know,
through
public
hearings,
etc.
B
So,
I'm
thinking
we
don't
need
to
necessarily
design
it
tonight.
Just
understand.
Okay,
we
understand
the
idea,
and
maybe
we
could,
just
as
we
go
chime
in
as
you
just
did,
chair
crandall
with
hey,
okay,
but
not
freeway,
visible,
not
gateway
and
staff
will
take.
Those
notes,
maybe
update
this
idea
to
maybe
give
it
a
little
bit
more
structure,
but
the
notion
would
be
still
it's
a
night
at
the
idea
stage
and
then
it'll
come
back,
so
we
don't
need
to
necessarily
grind
this
down
to.
A
I
don't
want
to
give
them.
Is
that
we're
kind
of
I
think.
A
C
B
C
Commissioner,
do
you
mind
if
I
ask
some
for
some
clarification
on
that
item
sure?
So,
as
as
chris
wright
mentioned,
a
lot
of
these
ideas
come
from
the
fact
that
we
do
a
lot
of
noticing
that
never
generates
any
public
concern
and.
C
Agree,
but
are
you
is
your,
is
your
recommendation
that
if
it
requires
a
public
hearing
now
that
it
or
actually
if
it
requires
noticing,
now
that
it
should
continue
to
require
noticing,
I
think
so?
Okay.
D
C
My
apologies-
I
I
that's
that's
not
staff's.
That's
not
staff's
impression
here.
We
would
love
to
just
get
everybody's
comments
and
at
a
meeting
like
this,
it
can
get
a
little
bit
difficult,
which
is
why
we
kind
of
want
each
item.
Yeah
and
just
have
everybody,
give
us
what
their
concerns
or
ideas
for
improvement.
Expansion
on
on
the
idea,
any
comments
that
you
have
and
we
will
compile
all
of
that
in
our
presentation
to
the
city
council.
F
Can
I
just
say
one
quick
thing
is
that
just
I
just
want
to
note
that
these
are
these
are
bullet
points
and
the
details
could
matter
so
there
could
be
changes
that
involve
the
appeals
process.
So
maybe
some
of
these
changes
would
go
more
to
the
planning
commission
for
review
as
a
as
an
appeal
body,
there
could
be
changes
to
the
way
decisions
are
reported.
F
D
D
That's
already
a
current
cup.
I
would
probably
probably
have
a
problem
without
notice,
and
you
know
people
are
always
concerned
about
density.
So
if
we
give
away
administrative
approval,
it's
like
we
are
removing
any
knowledge
from
the
public
farther
away
from
them
and
giving
it
to
the
administrative
rather
than
the
sovereign,
which
is
the
public
who
put
us
here
in
the
first
place.
D
C
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
I
want
to
I:
I
want
to
propose
a
potential
structure
to
this
conversation,
just
so
that,
where
it's
as
a
effective
use
of
time
as
possible,
if
the
commission
would
like
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
planning
commission,
which
is
not
really
what
we're
actually
asking,
because
the
council
requested
feedback
from
the
from
the
commission,
you
you
could
make
an
actual
motion
here.
However,
the
motion
would
probably
be
very
difficult
and
confusing
for
each
one
of
these
types
of
comments
to
be
bundled
up
in
one
recommendation.
C
If
you
want
to
maybe
take
straw
votes
as
we
go
through
as
far
as
how
much
support
there
is
for
each
particular
item,
we
can
do
that
or
we.
You
can
just
make
your
all
of
your
comments
and
then
they
will
be.
They
will
be
put
into
a
a
general
list.
For
the
council's
consideration.
C
C
A
C
Yes,
and
and
keep
in
mind
when
this
should
these
items
be
initiated
by
the
council
when
it
comes
back
to
the
planning
commission,
it
will
need
to
get
a
consensus
vote.
C
So
you
will
have
an
opportunity
at
that
time
to
really
get
into
the
to
the
specifics
on
it.
I.
B
C
B
I
just
touch
I'm
in.
I
think
we
should
just
take
it
up
a
level
and
say
these
are
just
ideas,
and
so,
if,
as
I
hear
my
colleague
down
here,
talk
about
public
notice,
what
may
be
a
solution
for
us
to
do
is
say:
staff.
Maybe
it's
a
good
part
of
the
working
framework
for
moving
forward.
This
is
when
you
will
be
making
a
change
change
that
will
remove
public
notice
flag
it
at
that.
B
This
is
a
public
notice
reduction
so
that,
in
the
when
we
go
through
round
two
of
this
to
review
the
specific
defined
strategy
that
you're
gonna
actually
implement,
those
actual
things
are
highlighted.
So
that's
what
I
would
do.
I
would
take
comments
like
this.
Move
it
up
a
level
and
say:
could
you,
as
you
know,
when
you
go
to
the
council
or
when
you
come
back,
highlight
anything
where
public
notice
is
reduced
or
eliminated?
That
stands
out
that
will
help
us
later
and
the
council
understand
the
implication
of
the
change
without
getting
into
the
specifics.
C
Absolutely
commissioner,
right.
C
Yeah-
and
I
and
I'll
say
this:
if,
if
that
is
a
consistent
concern
of
yours,
would
you
would
it
would
you
feel
comfortable
if
we
take
note
that
it
would
apply
to
any
change
that
removes
public
notice?
C
B
Well,
what
I
was
thinking
is,
since
these
are
ideas
you're
going
to
go
back
to
council
and
they're
going
to
say
we
like
all
these
things
go,
do
them.
What
does
go?
Do
it
mean
to
me
go,
do
it
means
okay,
pull
together
now
a
new
process
and
whatever
that
implication
cascades
down
to?
If
it's
an
update
to
the
zoning,
if
it's
an
update
to
a
procedure,
if
it's
an
update
to
up
whatever,
then
those
would
be
worked
on
so
what
you're?
B
What
the
council
is
going
to
do
at
the
next
meeting
is
not
ratify
these
they're
simply
going
to
authorize
you
to
go
work
on
them.
You
will
then
work
on
them
in
detail,
you're
going
to
define
them
you're
going
to
decide.
Oh,
this
needs
to
be
changed
here.
This
needs
to
be
changed
there
and
then
once
you've
done
that
work
program.
C
Okay,
there's
a
very
high
likelihood
that
we
would
come
back
during
for
a
study
session
to
just
get
initial
comments
before
we
start
going
into
creating
what
staff
believes
the
commission
would
would
like
to
see
and
spending
all
that
time,
we'd
rather
come
and
get
that
initial
feedback
on
each
specific
item,
as
we
have
been
directed
by
the
council
to
start
working
on
it
after
the
study
session,
once
we
flush
it
out,
we
would
bring
it
back
as
a
proposed
ordinance,
and
at
that
time
the
commission
would
weigh
in
on
what
staff
is
proposing.
E
So
those
are
the
three
that
that
I
can
see
them
through
here,
and
so
it
would
help
me
if
I
just
knew
what
they
all
were.
I
think
there's
adu
discussed
in
here
height
levels,
discussed
in
here
property
lines
discussed
in
here,
but
they're
all
over
the
place,
so
I
want
them
in
an
order
where
I
can
see
where
the
changes
are
going
to
be.
Those
could.
C
Yeah,
so
staff's
attempt
here
was
to
provide
the
list
that
was
provided
to
the
city
council,
which
is
again
kind
of
a
running
list
of
opportunities.
C
C
Okay,
so
so
just
to
go
back
to
some
original
comments
made
by
commissioner
prescott
and
commissioner
mccacken
did
you
have
general
comments
about
the
like
the
entire
thing,
or
would
you
like
to
just
go
through
by
bullet?
Provide
those
comments
as
we
go
and
maybe
at
the
end
provide
any
comments
that
haven't
been
captured
in
one
of
the
lines
I.
C
Those
okay
and
then
speaking
of
those
could,
do
you
mind
just
clarifying
the
the
statement
about
zone
changes.
E
Well,
there
was
some
comment
back
here,
as
I
mentioned
on
the
first
page
that
proposal
streamlining
would
allow
staff
to
make
more
decisions
on
these
projects
and
change
some
process
levels
from
planning
commission
to
a
zoning
administrative
approval.
So
I
would
like
those
flagged
as
to
what
those
are.
So
I
could
see
that
the
other
one
was
the
public
notice
and
similar
with
the
code
there's
changing
if
I
could
have
it
organized,
but
we'll
do
that
as
we
go
forward.
C
Yes
and
just
chris
will
and
sarah
will
be
able
to
provide
some
examples
of
what
those
changes
would
be,
but
again
the
amount
of
time
it
would
take
to
thoroughly
go
through
the
code
and
identify
all
the
possibilities.
F
Okay,
yeah,
the
consolidating
is
more
than
anything
else,
a
customer
service
item
to
simplify
our
applications.
F
We
have
a
quite
a
lot
of
applications
is
where
there
are
similar
findings
and
I
it
can
be
confusing
for
the
public
and
just
takes
more
staff
time
which,
just
for
the
purposes
of
streamlining
anything
we
can
do
to
simplify
work
for
staff,
will
result
in
applications
being
processed
faster.
So,
in
some
respect
it
is
streamlining
more.
We
can
do
to
help
staff
move
things
along
the
faster
it
will
move,
and
in
that
regard
it
is
streamlining.
F
There's
already
been
some
effort
put
into
this
item.
There
was
by
council
action
to
initiate
changes
for
batch
amendments,
but
we
just
got
directed
to
work
on
other
things.
The
the
work
that's
been
done
to
date,
for
example,
would
change.
It
would
consolidate
site
plan
permits,
minor
site
plan
permits,
minor
architectural
permits,
architectural
permits
and
staff
waivers
of
architectural
permits
all
into
one
application
called
the
site.
I
think
it's
site
development
permit,
and
that
would
be
an
application
that
would
be
required
for
things
such
as
projects
in
the
architectural
overlay.
F
So
right
now,
that's
a
culture
heritage
format
that
so
the
scope
of
the
application
would
be
anything
other
than
a
project
proposed
on
a
historic
site.
Cultural
heritage
permits
would
be
solely
devoted
to
historic
properties,
historic
sites
and
districts,
and
so
you
would
also
consolidate
a
number
of
applications,
because
those
findings
are
different
and
the
intent
of
that
permit
is
different.
F
No,
what
would
change
are
the
idea
behind
this
item
is
not
to
change
who
reviews
applications
but
to
to
merge
applications.
F
F
No
so,
for
example,
okay,
so
signs
you
mentioned
monument
science.
There
is
a
administrative
sign,
permit
application,
there's
a
discretionary
sign.
Permanent
application
and
the
the
monument
signs
are
a
discretionary
permit,
application.
Okay,
but
there's
two
applications.
You
could
merge
those
together
and
keep
the
process
exactly
the
same.
You
could
still
require
planning
commission
for
a
monument
sign
and
require
staff
approval
for
a
small
little
wall
sign,
but
you
would
just
be
reducing
the
number
of
applications.
F
A
Okay,
so
are
we
on
to
bullet
point
two
I'll
make
a
comment
on
this
one.
Once
again,
it's
extremely
vague
monument
signs.
Their
whole
purpose
is
to
consolidate
tenant
information
on
the
sign.
A
A
They
have
a
right
to
monument
signs
and
how
big
it
can
be
and
what
not,
but
in
a
good
percentage
of
them,
because
commercial
buildings
have
to
get
the
designed
in
most
cases
as
a
spanish
clone
of
revival
character.
If
possible,
I
would
be
more
comfortable
if,
when
any
project
comes
through,
they
process
their
signage
program
with
the
project.
A
So
it's
not
a
separate
item
all
at
all
that,
because
a
lot
of
times
to
make
their
job
easier,
they'll
come
in
with
a
a
project
that
they
could
have
included
their
signage
program
in
they
get
their
approval
of
their
project,
and
then
they
start
pushing
the
limits
on
their
signage
and
that's
why
those
things
slow
down
and
get
more
complicated.
A
So
I
think
we
give
them
the
option
of
doing
it
up
front.
I
think
that
would
certainly
ease
the
burden
on
staff
and
I
think
christopher's
been
through
that
process
before
of
having
the
signage
programs
postponed
till
after
the
building
processes
or
the
building
itself
has
been
approved.
You
have
any
comment
on
that
christian
christ.
C
Okay,
you
know
I
chair
crandall,
I
will
say
one
thing:
you
brought
up
a
really
good
point
about
the
design
review
related
to
monument
science.
This,
in
order
for
this
to
become
a
city
planner
approval.
C
C
If
this
amendment
at
the
text,
if
it
did
not
like
if
it
did
not
capture
the
essence
of
the
you
know
the
required
architecture
that
that
could
be
a
problem-
and
you
know
at
that
time
when
we're
bringing
it
back,
but
at
this
point,
there's
kind
of
an
assumption
that
that
that
would
that
that
could
be
done
as
part
of
this
particular
item.
C
So
it
there
are.
There
are
some
you
know
some
some
bridges
to
cross
as
we
go
through
this
and
staff's
aware
that
design
review
is
is,
is
a
tricky
one,
because
if
it,
if
it
gets
knocked
down
to
a
an
administrative
review,
we
need.
We
need
objective
standards
that
we
can
easily
review
projects
against
very
good.
A
D
I
mean
I
I
would.
I
would
like
the
applicants
to
have
the
flexibility
to
do
either
or
because
it's
a
huge
scramble
just
to
get
your
project
in
you
don't
even
know.
If
it's
going
to
get
approved,
you
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
approved
and
not
form,
and
then
you
might
be
changing
services
that
signs
are
going
on.
It's
just
more
up
front.
You
know
trying
to
get
a
project
moving.
A
E
Yes,
so
we
already
kind
of
talked
about
this
is
the
simplifying
applications
and
christopher
has
mentioned.
You
know
we
can
consolidate
some
applications
that
have
similar
findings.
So
I
didn't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
about
that,
some
more
or
if
you
guys
have
any
comments,
feedback.
C
E
C
That
staff
has
presented
this
item
if
there's
any.
C
E
E
So
the
first
bullet
it's
for
currently
new
development
and
additions
over
500
square
feet
on
sites
with
three
plus
units
within
300
feet
of
residential
zone.
This
historic
district
structures
are
subject
to
pc
approval.
E
Sorry,
approval
of
cultural
heritage
permit,
except
for
projects,
one
not
visible
from
right
of
way
adjoining
historic
structure
sites,
two,
not
in
a
cultural
overlay
and
three,
not
abutting
historic
structures;
four,
not
on
sites
with
historic
structure
sites
or
five,
not
visible
from
the
public,
a
view
corridor
and
then
with
this
one
is
new
buildings
and
additions
over
500
square
feet
require
pc
approval
staff,
suggest
allowing
projects
with
city
planner
approval
versus
pc,
if
located
100,
to
300
feet
from
historic
structures.
A
A
And
for
those
who
don't
know
larry,
he
is,
are
you
still
chair
of
the
cultural,
the
historic
society
so.
A
This
is
this
is
kind
of
what
the
city
has
built
itself
around
being
this
spanish
village
by
the
sea,
and
it's
is
a
high
public
visibility
issue
and
we've
certainly
experienced
a
lot
of
applications
that
do
impact
historic
structures,
and
it's
always
debatable.
I'm
sure
larry
doesn't
think
I'm
pushed
hard
enough
on
it,
but
I
try
to
balance
both
sides
of
the
equation,
but
I
see
this
probably
being
something
outside
the
streamlining
one.
It's
such
a
sensitive
item
to
the
city
that
I
think
it
deserves
some
really
intense
consideration.
C
Yeah
duly
noted
also
on
this
type
of
item,
the
public
hearing,
notice
or
notice
to
the
to
the.
C
Notice,
the
property
owners
within
300
feet
of
the
project
would
not
occur
if,
if
for
those
projects
between
100
and
300
feet,
if
they
were
reviewed
by
the
city
planner
instead
of
a
public
hearing
body,
which
then
means
that
the
historic
historical
society
would
not
generally.
A
C
C
Typically,
then,
wouldn't
go
through
our
development
management
team
meeting,
because
there's
there's
no
need
for
that
that
staff
support
for
a
discretionary
permit.
So
that
would
be.
That
would
be
the
impact
of
not
noticing
these
types
of
applications
both
for
a
property
owner,
but
also
for
groups
around
the
city
that
are
very
interested
and
concerned
with
the
impacts
to
historic
resources.
C
B
A
C
Yeah,
yes,
that's
correct:
there
are
not
that
many,
chris
or
sarah.
Could
you
speak
to
the
the
impact
that
this
change
potentially
could
make
for
the
applicants
that
are
looking
to
propose
these
types
of
projects?
C
E
F
Okay,
yeah,
so
we
get.
I
went
and
tried
to
look
at
our
database.
We
get
maybe
one
or
two
of
the
first
row,
so
a
project
100
to
200
100,
to
300
feet
from
a
historic
building,
keeping
in
mind
some
projects
that
involve
triplexers
or
four
plexes
within
300
feet
of
a
residentially
zoned
historic
building
are
exempt
if
they're
not
visible
from
the
historic
property,
if
they're
not
visible
in
a
view
corridor
and
not
an
architectural
really.
So
there
are
exemptions.
F
So
what
this
would
mean
are
projects
that
are
visible,
they're
in
a
view
corridor
or
they're
in
architectural
relay.
What
this
suggestion
here
is
is
reducing
the
level
of
view
in
the
the
limited
instance
when
it's
100
to
300
feet
from
historic
buildings.
That
means
at
least
three
properties
away,
and
it
is
not
visible
in
a
view
corridor
and
it
is
not
in
an
architectural
relay.
F
So
it's
like
three
three
or
more
properties
away
three
to
six
or
three
to
ten.
We
get
maybe
one
a
year
one
to
two
a
year
of
these,
so
I
I
just
figure
you
want
to
go
row
by
row
right,
adam.
C
Yes,
and
and
that's
exactly
what
I
was
looking
for,
so
a
change
like
this
is
going
to
take.
You
know
a
bit
of
staff
time
to
to
to
work
on
for
one
application
a
year
that
doesn't
mean
that
in
the
future
we
couldn't
get
a
lot
more
of
these
applications.
Just
typically
we're
only
seeing
about
one
application.
That
would
where
this
change
would
apply.
F
And,
and
also
just
to
note,
the
reason
why
this
item's
on
the
list
is
this
idea
that
the
the
situation
would
be
it's
at
least
three
properties
away.
So
the
massing
of
a
building
is
going
to
be
separated
at
least
a
hundred
feet
now
away
and
in
know,
staff
questions
that
that
has
potential
often
is
going
to
have
potential
massive
impact
on
a
historic
building.
C
Yes,
thank
you.
Chris
one
thing
I
remember
being
discussed
and
when
we
were
talking
about
this,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it
was
clear
for
the
commission
there
are.
There
are
still
appeal
rights
for
all
of
these
projects,
whether
they're
at
zoning
administrator
planning,
commission
level
or
city
planner
level.
We,
I
remember
a
brief
discussion
about
appeals,
but
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
with
a
city.
C
Planner
appeal
is
that
the
the
decision
is
not
always
noticed
and
most
of
the
time
it's
not,
and
it's
there's
a
two-week
appeal
period
for
a
decision
that
may
not
actually
be
implemented
until
after
the
the
decision
has
been
made.
C
So
while
everything's
appealable
a
city,
planner
decision
is
not
always
obvious
that
it
has
occurred
and
without
noticing
to
to
neighboring
properties,
there's
many
times
where
they
there
would
be.
No
there'd
be
no
indication
that
there
it
would
be
something
to
appeal.
A
That's
something
you
can
consider,
though,
in
making
this
change,
that,
in
fact,
that
the
city
planner's
decision
on
something
like
that
is
notice
to
those
properties
right.
C
Exactly
and
so
that
this
this
brings
up
that
that
initial
point
of
prioritization
for
this
type
of
item
we're
talking
about
one
let's,
let's
call
it
at
best
three
applications
a
year
where
we
now
have
a
new
process
of
noticing,
something
and
and
we're
gonna
spend
time
potentially
revising
the
code
this
this
doesn't.
This
doesn't
really
seem
like
the
biggest
impact
that
we
have
on
this
list,
so
just
something
to
keep
in
mind.
Let's.
E
Sure
so
the
fifth
bullet
is
single
family
and
duplex.
This
is
for
new
additions.
Over
500
square
feet
are
subject
to
pc
approval
of
cultural
heritage
permits
when
located
across
the
street
from
historic
buildings
staff
suggests
allowing
projects
with
city
planner
approval
versus
pc.
If
the
project
site
is
not
in
their
architecture,
overlay.
F
Yeah,
I
think
also
a
part
of
that
oh
wait.
The
next
one
is
regarding
whether
it's
visible
or
not
right,
so
am
I
getting
that
mixed
up.
D
F
So
did
you
want
me
to
add
anything
to
this
I
mean
I'll.
I
let
me
just
explain
briefly
why
it
might
be
on
here.
It's
just
it's
removed
from
a
historic
building.
It's
across
the
street
and
streets
are
at
minimum
40
feet
wide,
so
we're
looking
at
at
least
with
and
then
with
the
front
setback
you're,
looking
at
probably
a
range
of
50
to
70
feet,
away
from
a
historic
building,
at
least.
A
Okay,
any
other
comments
well.
A
Not
a
lot
scale
makes
all
the
difference
in
the
world
because
it's
the
street
scene
we're
looking
for
there's
going
to
be
design
guidelines
of
trying
to
step
back
from
the
historic
structure
and
the
massing.
So
I
still
think
that
needs
a
design,
review
or
it'll
involve
coming
up
with
more
exacting
design
guidelines,
which
is
going
to
be
a
huge
effort.
Yeah
almost.
D
F
Yeah,
you
know
what
that's
a
great
point.
You
know
I
just
want
to
mention.
Some
of
these
ideas
were
discussed,
like
I
think
I
said
in
2018,
perhaps,
and
the
reason
why
they
didn't
occur
is
this:
that
concern
about
design
guidelines
not
being
updated
at
the
time,
and
so
the
the
direction
was
to
hold
off
on
some
of
these
ideas.
F
But
nevertheless,
you
know
the
city
council
wanted
us
to
identify
various
items,
and
these
were
items
that
they
were.
They
were
seen
as
favorable
items
a
bunch
of
these,
but
then
it
didn't
move
forward,
because
the
lack
of
updated
design
guidelines
primarily,
is
what
I
recall
as
a
a
main
point
made
at
the
time.
E
So
chair
crandall,
just
to
clarify
so
for
that.
C
One
I'm
so
sorry,
I
just
wanted
some
clarification,
especially
on
the
items
where
it
appears
like
the
planning
commission
is
leaning
towards
a
not
support.
On
the
last.
On
the
I,
the
first
item
of
the
100
to
300
feet,
I
heard
from
three
at
least
three
commissioners
that
they're
not
supportive
of
that
on
the
last
one.
I
think
I
only
heard
from
the
two
men.
C
Yeah,
I
think,
we're
all
in
agreement.
Okay,
I
just
want
to
make
that
that
clear,
because
that
kind
that
that
kind
of
comment
is,
is
going
to
be
important
for
the
council's
consideration
and
I
think.
A
One
of
the
companies
is
that
it's
so
complicated
streamlining
and
the
impact
of
this
for
the
overall
picture
of
the
permit
processing
is,
I
don't
think
the
benefit
may
not
even
be
possible.
Is
there
so.
F
You
know
I
do
want
to
mention,
even
though
on
the
right
we
have
proposed
process,
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
that,
like,
for
example,
it
could
be
zoning
administrator
hearing
instead
of
planning
commission
hearing,
that's
still
a
public
notice,
so
I
just
want
to
point
out.
It
does
not
have
to
be
exactly
this.
F
D
C
Then
we
will
make
it
clear,
as
we've
gone
through
this
list,
whether
that's
the
case
or
not.
You
know
I
I
will
say
we
do
have
a
couple
pages
to
go
through.
However,
going
through
this
process
previously,
you
know
other
for
other
reasons.
C
B
Maybe
just
if
you
would
indulge
us
and
you
if
there's
a
consensus
like
we
don't
think
that's
a
good
idea,
maybe
the
way
to
accommodate
it.
Is
you
reformat
your
report?
You
don't
have
to
remove
it,
but
maybe
you
have
two
sections:
here's
a
section
where
you
know:
we've
reviewed
all
this
with
the
planning
commission.
These
are
the
items
that
you
know
flow
through.
B
This
is
this
other
section
are
the
items
that
we
heard
from
them.
We
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
pursue
absolutely
and.
D
C
C
The
same
yeah
same
radius,
same
information.
C
Design
reviews
on
thursday
it
would
be
a
three
o'clock
meeting
on
a
wednesday
versus
a
six
o'clock
meeting
on
wednesday.
So
there's.
A
Yeah
so,
okay,
I
think
that's
just
so.
The
next
one
is
the
minor
remodels.
E
Yes,
so
for
the
minor
remodel,
slash
additions
to
single
family
and
duplex-
and
this
is
in
regards
to
adjoining
to
historic
structures
sites,
not
in
the
architectural
overlay
and
there's
one
two,
three
there's
four
bullet
points.
Should
I
read
each
one:
yes,
allow
auditions
under
50
with
va
approval
versus
pc,
if
not
screened
from
the
street.
Currently,
the
limit
is
500
square
feet
with
za
approval.
E
Allow
staff
to
approve
additions
under
fifty
percent
that
are
screened
from
the
street.
Allow
za
to
approve
accessory
buildings
visible
from
the
street.
Currently
pc
approved,
allow
staff
to
approve
accessory
buildings
screened
from
the
street
and
then
the
last
bullet
talks
about
allow
the
continuation
of
legal
non-conforming
side
setbacks
with
city
planner
approval
versus
za.
D
A
On
the
first
one,
does
anyone
have
any
comment
on?
I
mean
it's
again,
it's
very
vague,
we're
saying
a
500
square
foot
addition
za
approval
if
there's
not
screen
from
street.
Currently
the
limit
is
500
square
feet.
A
I
can't
think
of
an
example
but
or
let's
say
it's
on
coastal
bluff
and
you
have
a
historic
building.
That
has
a
wonderful
view
from
the
back,
not
a
view,
but
of
it,
and
somebody
wants
to
push
their
500
square
foot
addition
down
to
the
backyard
and
block
the
view
for
the
public
of
that
historic
building.
F
That's
a
good
point
yeah.
We
I
mean
that
if
anything
it,
if
there's
any
openness
to
this
idea,
you
know
that
that
there
this
could
be
a
category
of
projects
where
perhaps
it's
there's
some
merits
the
idea
of
reducing
review.
Then
there
could
be
parameters
for
that
that
you
give
us
like.
Don't
do
it
in
these
instances.
You
know
that
might
be
one
of
them.
That.
D
C
That
does
exist
to
to
some
extent.
Chris,
would
you
mind
elaborating
on
exactly
what
that
is
and,
and
was
is,
is
that
type
of
safety
valve
contemplated
in
these
changes
and
you're,
muted.
F
A
Now
these
other
items
see
a
approval
accessory
build
is
visible
from
the
street.
I
don't
know
where
that's
going
to
happen
or
I'm
trying
to
of
an
example.
I
can't
allow
staff
to
improve
accessory
buildings
screen
from
the
street.
F
C
The
city
planner
and
the
zoning
administrator
at
one
time
I
want
to
say
for
two
years
three
years
were
the
same,
were
staffed
by
the
same
person.
However,
historically,
the
zoning
administrator
is
staffed
by
the
community
development
director
and
the
city.
Planner
is
a
manager
underneath
the
community
development
director.
D
E
Yes,
so
this
will
be
bullet
point
number
eight.
This
is
for
non-residential
accessory
buildings
with
za
approval
versus
pc.
F
Yes,
so
this
is
an
item
where
our
zoning
code
requires
planning
commission
approval
of
it
would
be
a
site
plan,
permit
an
architectural
permit
or
culture
or
detroit
and
a
conditional
use
from
it.
F
F
Some
sort
of
equipment,
facility,
trashing,
trash
and
trash
enclosure
wouldn't
be
one
because
it's
a
structure,
but
that
that
those
categories
of
development
that
it
would
bump
it
from
a
planning
commission
review
to
zoning
administrator.
E
Okay,
this
is
going
to
be
a
development
for
accessory
structures,
so
the
first
bullet,
and
that
one
is
accessory
structures,
and
this
applies
to
all
sites,
allow
the
city
planner
approval,
where
project
has
proposed
materials
and
design
and
character
with
the
primary
building's
appearance
and
has
a
height
in
size
that
maintain
the
visible
focus
of
the
primary
buildings
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
support
an
open
street
scene
along
the
block
on
the
same
side
of
the
street
as
the
project.
F
Yeah,
you
know
this
is
one
where
it's
like
a
fence.
You
know
our
staff
waiver
section.
F
E
A
I
think
what
might
help
us
and
city
council
if,
in
parentheses,
something
a
quick
example
of
what
this
affects
might
be
proven
to
get
through
these
things
quicker.
C
I
absolutely
agree-
and
I
will
say,
commissioner
prescott
that's
a
great
point-
that
some
of
these
items
do
provide
a
bit
of
discretion
for
city
staff
and
those
that
discretion
would
need
to
be
tampered
down
with
objective
standards,
which
we
would
staff
would
want
to
include
in
any
ordinance.
That
would
make
this
type
of
change.
E
Okay,
so,
under
the
same
sorry,
can
I
move
yeah.
So,
under
the
same
section,
we
for
bullet
point
number,
10
it'll,
be
height
of
residential
accessory
buildings,
eliminate
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
the
city
planner
approval
of
accessory
buildings
up
to
the
height
limit
of
the
zone
versus
15
feet
if
they
comply
with
setbacks.
C
C
F
A
C
A
C
Yeah,
I
believe
what
chris
was
what
we
were
intending
for
this
was
that
it
meets
the
setbacks
of
the
primary
for
primary
structures.
Is
that
correct.
F
A
C
So,
if
that's
the
the
way
that
the
language
and
the
any
proposed
ordinance
leaves
it,
then
then
yes,
but
I
can
tell
you-
staff-
is
not
going
to
be
interested
in
providing
a
an
administrative
approval
for
something
that
is
very
likely
to
be
an
issue
or
receive
public
concern,
especially
from
neighbors.
E
I
had
actually
tagged
this
one
and
if,
if,
if
staff
wouldn't
would
have
a
concern
or
might
have
concerns,
I'm
not
seeing
how
this
would
streamline
the
process,
then
because
it
is
vague
and
it
does,
it
mentions
that
now
the
height
limit
will
be
equal
to
so,
staff
should
have
a
concern.
I
would
think
at
that
point
and
how
does
it
comply
with
the
setback?
So
I'm
just
wondering
how
this
stream
works.
F
D
D
This,
this
added
accessory
structure
meets
the
side,
yard
setback
right.
The
wall
that
separates
the
two
properties
is
eight
feet.
You
let
them
now
build
a
15-foot
structure
so
from
the
yard
next
door,
where
they
used
to
have
nothing.
They
now
have
seven
feet
of
building
or
some
kind
of
structure,
and
because
it's
now
no
longer
the
conditional
use
permit,
they
won't
know
about
it.
F
C
D
D
D
You
know,
structure
because
we'll
go
to
the
planning
camp
or
would
be
a
cop.
F
A
C
C
It
allows
is,
if
you
build
a
detached
accessory
structure,
that's
16
feet
tall.
You
have
to
get
a
cup,
but
if
you
connect
those
two
structures,
then
that
building
that
required
a
cup
can
now
go
up
to
25
feet
with
no
cup
simply
because
they've
been
they've
been
joined,
so
it
like
it's
in
the
same
place,
you
can
do.
You
could
actually
build
more
without
going
through
a
public
process
if
you
simply
attach
the
buildings.
C
That's
that's.
The
whole
point
of
this
is
that
it's
kind
of
incentivizing,
more
development,
because
it's
easier
to
go
through
just
a
building
permit
for
a
foot
addition
to
a
primary
structure
than
to
go
through
a
16
foot
tall,
detached
accessory
structure
in
the
exact
same
location.
The
difference
becomes.
C
C
C
D
D
F
D
A
C
Yeah
so
right
now,
a
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
by
right
requires
a
height
limit,
no
taller
than
15
feet.
You
can
go
over
15
feet
if
you
apply
for
an
architectural
permit.
This
would
remove
that
requirement,
because
the
the
height
limit
of
the
zone
is
maintained.
F
E
F
I
think
yeah,
it
was
something
like
there's
something
like
well.
There
is
a
four
foot
setback
for
years
in
a
garage.
E
E
C
C
C
A
A
I'm
comfortable
with
the
15
feet
because
it
doesn't
change
the
whole
character,
the
adjacent
property.
But
yes,
they
could
push
their
house
bigger
if
it
was
not
an
additional
dwelling
unit.
A
But
then
it's
not
an
additional
dwelling
unit
and
could
be
an
attached
additional
growing
unit
and
that's
got
different
rules.
I
believe.
A
So
bring
that
one
back
with
an
example
that
we
can
see
how
that
would
apply
and
how
how
it's
advantageous
to
character
of
the
city,
not
just
something
we
don't
have
to
review.
A
E
E
So
it's
allow
walls
over
three
and
a
half
feet
in
front
yard:
side
yard,
with
city
planner
approval.
If
criteria
are
met
and
we
incorporate
common
conditions
into
the
zoning
code.
A
I
don't
know
what
the
advantage
is.
I
don't
know
how
many
of
those
you
get,
but
if,
if
they
want
to
be,
we
actually.
C
E
A
C
Doesn't
like
it
yeah
so
enforcement
is
based
on
complaints.
C
That
yeah,
and
so
you
know
we
unfortunately
can't
look
at
every
single
property.
You
know
as
they're
doing
things,
but
people
do
tend
to
complain
about
overhyped
fences.
You
want
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we
you
know
one
of
the
the
benefits
to
something
like
this
would
be.
I
we
had
an
application
for
a
it
was
basically
a
pool
barrier,
there's
glass
in
the
front
yard
set
back
and
based
on
the.
A
C
Yeah
we
had
just
a
month
or
so
ago,
yeah
the
pool
couldn't
really
be
in
the
backyard.
So
something
like
that
doesn't
really
damage
the
street
scene
too.
Much
and
and
staff.
You
know,
staff
could
would
feel
comfortable
addressing
those
types
of
requests.
C
However,
if
it
was
something,
let's
say
more
impactful
than
that,
that's
where
we
could
get
into
kicking
it
up
to
another
level,
so.
C
Absolutely
so
yeah
that
and
that's
so
when
we
go
to
the
city
council,
we
discuss
this
we'll
we
can
say
you
know.
Some
of
these
items
have
general
support.
If
we
provide
much
clearer
details
as
far
as
what
what
what
what
what
type
of
project
does
it
apply
to.
E
Currently,
the
city
planner
approval
of
a
zoning
permit
is
required
to
allow
the
development
of
accessory
structures,
for
example,
fences,
arbors
patio
covers,
etc
on
the
site
that
is
subject
to
architectural
review,
such
properties
in
architecture,
overlay,
district
or
adjacent
or
adjacent
to
a
historic
structure.
There
are
circumstances
where
structures
are
clearly
compatible
with
the
property
and
existing
development.
The
proposed
streamlining
items
below
exempt
accessory
structures
from
special
zoning
permits
that
would
that
meet
that
criteria.
E
So
accessories
so
that
the
first
bullet
is
accessory
structures
on
a
non-historic
structure
sites
when
the
structures
have
a
design
and
materials
and
character
with
the
primary
buildings,
architecture
style.
The
structure
scale,
size
location
is
screened
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
the
structure
consistent
with
the
city's
design
guidelines,
general
plan
policies
and
regulations.
E
D
E
Historic
resource
sites,
when
the
structure
have
a
traditional
design
and
material
and
character
with
the
historic
structures,
architectural
style,
the
architecture
scale,
size
location
is
screened
from
the
public
right
of
way
and
the
structure
is
consistent
with
the
city's
design
guidelines.
General
plan
policies
and
regulations.
F
F
F
So
the
idea
here
is
very
obvious
situations
where
there's
no
issue,
because
we
it's
already
a
staff
level
review,
but
it's
just
as
staff
we've
found
times.
People
want
to
do
things
and
it
just
seems
questionable
whether
there's
a
need
there
should
be
a
need
to
write
things
and
spend
all
that
staff
time
on
it.
E
B
C
C
F
C
A
I'm
actually
opposed
to
this
one
chris,
the
design
review
subcommittee
is
required
to.
There
is
also
the
historic
body
that
reviews
projects
for
historic
structures
and
we're
taking
it
from
a
group
of
supposedly.
A
A
A
I'm
not
on
that,
but
I
I'm
seeing
other
things
that
would
be
incorrect.
You
know
yeah.
A
D
C
C
These
staff
would
include
the
standards
that
these
would
be
reviewed
or
the
standards
that
somebody
would
need
to
comply
with
to
avoid
zoning
permit,
review
and
part
of
that
includes
all
the
you
know:
compliance
with
city
design,
guidelines,
general
plan
policies,
all
of
that,
if,
if
even
with
that
type
of
description,
you're
still
uncomfortable
with
it,
we
can
take
note
of
that
yeah.
E
Okay,
perfect,
thank
you.
So
now
we're
moving
on
to
a
new
section.
It's
for
landscape,
slash
hardscape,
so
currently
the
city
planner
of
a
zoning
permit
is
required
to
allow
quote-unquote
minor
landscape.
Hardscape
changes,
the
scope
of
minor
changes
isn't
defined
so
clearly
positive,
yet
largely
area
larger
area
changes
may
not
may
not
be
exempt
from
a
special
planning
review.
The
proposed
streamlining
item
would
specify
the
types
of
landscape
and
hardscape
changes
that
would
be
exempt.
E
Zoning
permits
so
first
bullet
and
that
one
is
landscape.
Changes
on
properties
subject
to
architectural
review
when
changes
improve
water
efficiency,
improve
drainage,
landscaping,
coverage
and
accident
entrances
when
there
is
a
particular
opportunities
and
changes
that
are
consistent
with
the
city's
design
guidelines.
E
General
plan
policies
and
regulations
note
that
landscape
changes
may
be
subject
to
plan
review
depending
on
state
law,
but
this
procedural
change
would
save
applicants,
time
and
expense.
C
Sure
these
are
all
somewhat
related.
I
think
maybe
I.
F
F
F
Well,
you're
near
a
historic
building
or
in
an
architectural
relay.
So
when
I
say
any
sorry
when
I
say
any
site,
I'm
talking
residential
commercial,
mixed
use,
industrial
all
the
non-residential
automatically
if
it's
residential,
if
it's
in
an
architectural
overlay
or
near
historic
building,.
F
E
Changes
on
non-historic
sites
that
have
proposed
materials
and
a
design
and
character
with
the
primary
buildings,
character
style.
The
hardscape
plans
preserve
historic,
tile
and
surfaces
if
existing
the
changes
reduce
and
previous
services
when
there
are
particular
opportunities
and
the
changes
are
consistent
with
the
city's
design
guidelines,
general
plan
policies
and
regulations.
F
So
this
one
is
the
same
situation,
same
type
of
properties,
residential
and
architectural
relay,
or
proximity
to
historic
buildings,
commercial,
mixed
use,
industrial,
so
non-residential
uses.
If
you
want
to
do
what
is
called
minor
hardscape,
it
requires
a
staff
waiver.
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
narrow
down
certain
types
of
minor
landscaping
that
doesn't
warrant
requiring
staff
to
write
up
a
waiver.
Have
people
sign
forms
and
do
all
that
work.
A
E
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
read
the
last
bullet,
which
is
hardscape
changes
on
historic
sites
that
have
traditional
materials
and
design
and
character
with
the
primary
buildings,
architectural
style.
The
hardscape
plans
preserve
the
historic
tiles
and
surfaces
if
existing
the
changes
were
due
in
previous
services,
when
there
is
a
practical
opportunity,
the
proposal
preserved.
The
proposal
preserves
the
historic
orientation
of
interest
entrance
pathways
and
the
changes
are
consistent
with
the
city's
guidelines,
general
plan
policies
and
regulations.
A
It
is
because,
on
historic
sites
we
like
to
try
to
keep
historic
landscaping
and
they
are
given
certain
latitude
to
do
that
and
are
certainly
encouraged
to
do
that
as
far
as
what
materials
and
whatnot
and
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
you've
got
to
balance
water
conservation
and
all
with
the
historic
properties
which
are
so
few
and
so
probably
not
impactful.
As
far
as
that's
concerned,.
F
This
one
was
trickier
to
write.
You
know
you
know,
here's
a
here's,
an
example.
If
I,
if
I
want
to
replace
a
shrub
with
a
different
shrub,
should
that
require
a
zoning
permit.
A
It
does
seem
excessive,
but
it
you
know
historic,
it's
just
because
some
people
are
given
credit.
I
believe,
on
the
mills
act,
even
if
they
want
to
return
their
property
to
known
historic
landscape
materials,
so
be
real.
Careful
on
this
one
consider
all
the
ramifications.
F
F
E
Okay,
if
we
can
have
just
the
next
slide,
please
so
we're
going
to
talk
about
parking.
This
one
says:
allow
off-site
and
shared
parking
agreement
with
zoning
administrator
or
city
planner
approval
versus
planning,
commission.
C
We
have
a
fair
number
yeah,
I
would
say,
probably
in
the
neighborhood
three
a
year.
A
lot
of
them
come
as
as
part
of
another
application
and
we
process
concurrent
applications
to
the
highest
review
authority.
So
some
of
these
would
still
naturally
go
to
the
planning.
C
That
was
the
highest
review
authority.
However,
there
are
some
instances
where
somebody
just
a
a
new
business,
a
new
land
use
moves
in
and
they
require
more
parking,
and
so
they
want
to
enter
into
a
shared
parking
agreement
and
the
the
idea
here
is
that
the
code
is
relatively
specific
about
when
a
parking
study
would
indicate
that
a
shared
parking
agreement
can
be
approved.
C
So
if,
if,
if
the
information
like
data
vehicle
counts
can
be
gathered
and
submitted,
that
indicate
that
two
uses
can
share
parking
without
you
know
tremendous
overlap
or
impacts,
we're
saying
that
could
be
a
staff
or
a
zoning
administrator
review
rather
than
planning
commission.
A
Own
or
with
the
zoning
administrator
application,
I
I'm
going
to
say
I
don't
think
10
plus
years
I've
been
here
that
we've
ever
had
an
item
come
and
only
be
asking
for
off-site
parking
agreement.
Usually
it's
with
the
intensification
of
the
use
when
the
property
is
being
intensified
or
something,
and
it's
concurrent
with
the
application.
C
Yeah,
you
know
it
could
be
mixed
use.
I
I
want
to
say
that
1010,
santiago
building,
I
thought
it
did
come
before
us
yeah,
that
was
a
there-
was
a
shared
parking
agreement
that
was.
A
A
C
Yeah
well,
intensification
is
either
going
to
come
through,
buy
right
uses
like
a
restaurant.
That's
by
right,
replacing
an
office
or
a
a
restaurant
with
alcohol
that
would
require
conditional
use
permit
either
one
could
would
intensify,
but
not
all
intensifications
require
a
conditional
use
permit
on
its
own.
Only
if
the
parking
would
if,
if
the
parking
requirements
can't
be
met,.
A
E
A
A
In
fact,
like
a
restaurant's
requiring
they
want
to
increase
the
number
of
seats-
okay,
let's
say
they're
able
to
reduce
the
kitchen
a
little
bit
gain
more
seats.
They
don't
have
the
parking,
it
would
be
concurrent,
wouldn't
it
or
not,.
C
C
Yeah-
and
this
is
actually
a
good
example
of
a
streamlining
opportunity-
we
don't
see
very
many
applications,
because
this
people
don't
want
to
go
through
this
process
to
move
a
business
if
all
they
need
is
more
is
is
to
demonstrate
shared
parking.
So
we
don't
see
a
lot
of
these
applications
because
it's
very
burdensome
and
it
potentially
could
lead
to
businesses
moving
elsewhere,
finding
locations
in
other
cities
moving
into
somewhere,
like
that's
less
desirable
to
them.
D
C
A
A
A
D
C
D
C
That
would
be
an
off-site
park
that
would
be
an
off-site
parking
agreement.
Chris
was
this.
No
excuse
me
this
does
contemplate
off-site
parkinson's.
So
I
I
agree.
That's
a
really
good
comment.
We
can
include
that
because
there
are
certain
times
where
people
you
know
would
be
walking
between
properties,
and
we
can.
We
can
include
that
comment
for
the
point
for
the
city
council.
Welcome.
F
C
It
is
a
policy,
it
is
a
it's
one
of
the
programs
of
our
housing
element
and
in
order
for
us
to
get
it
approved
by
hcd
this,
this
type
of
reduction
in
discretionary
review
of
housing
applications
is
going
to
be
necessary
or
was
necessary.
I
should
say-
and
I
and
I
believe,
you're
right
chris-
this
is
something
that
we've
had
on
the
list
for
a
while.
I
think
it
was
just
a
holdover.
C
So
we
have
it's
it's
relatively
general
language
in
the
housing
element.
We
still
need
to
implement
this
change
and
so
there's
potentially
some
opportunity
to
identify
some
limitations.
C
But
honestly,
I
at
this
point-
if
this
is
something
staff
is
either
going
to
have
to
do
this,
and
it
will
come
back
to
the
planning
commission
or
we
have.
We
have
the
option
to
somewhat
limit
it
so
either
way.
I
I
believe
that
this
will
be
coming
back
on
its
on
its
own.
Regardless
of
I.
E
E
Yes,
I
would
like
to
add
that
this
specific
bullet
we're
actually
going
to
this
is
going
to
be
part
of
our
housing
element
rezoning
program,
so
we're
going
to
definitely
if
this
is
this
will
be
research
and
extent
put
together
a
design,
objective,
design
guidelines,
there'll,
be
specific
policies
that
meet
our
housing
element
for
our
arena,
to
accommodate
all
those
numbers
that
we
are
required
to
meet.
So
if
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
focus
on
this
right
now,
but
it
will
come
back
but
it'll
be
more
research
and
detail.
E
Okay,
our
next
bullet
is
allow
restaurants
to
sell
alcohol
for
on-site
consumption
type
4147
and
have
a
non-amplified
entertainment.
The
noise
ordinance
already
addresses
noise
and
doesn't
require
a
conditional
use
permit
for
non
amplified.
Sound.
C
So
this
is
a
this
is
a
potential
way
to
reduce
the
amount
of
time
it
takes
for
restaurants
to
go
through
the
process
for
approval.
Most
restaurants
don't
require
conditional
use
permit
on
their
own,
and
so
they
would
come
in
if
they
want
to
sell
alcohol
now,
the
type
41
and
47
is
the
difference
between
beer
and
wine
and
hard
alcohol,
so
there
it
doesn't
have
to
be
both
and
staff.
C
Is
staff
understands
that
you
know
there's
there's
a
benefit
for
this
type
of
review,
however
they're
also
regulated
by
the
abc,
and
so
it's
not
it.
This
is
this,
wouldn't
just
be
a
cart
blanche
for
anybody
to
to
be
able
to
sell
alcohol
for
on-site
consumption.
C
D
F
Just
just
to
note
that,
but
we
were
considering
putting
this
bullet
here
as
indoor
uses,
recognizing
that
there
are
different
circumstances
when
you
want
to
have
outdoor
cells,
because
there's
more
potential
for
monitoring
breakdowns,
say
a
minor
approaching
an
outdoor
patio
or
something
like
that.
This
is
just
to
be
indoors.
A
A
I
think
a
lot
of
deep
thought
because
I'm
thinking
we're
getting
a
lot
of
uses
in
our
commercial
areas
and
whatnot.
There
are
business
parks
where
you
might
have
a
montessori
school.
You
might
have
a
alcohol
treatment
thing.
So
if
a
sandwich
shop
or
something
comes
in
next
door
to
those
two,
if
I
right
have
the
right
to
serve
alcohol-
and
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
that-
but
something
to
do.
C
C
A
C
C
Be
a
relatively
big
impact
because,
as
as
a
notice
chair,
we
are
getting,
restaurants
are
replacing
retail
quite
frequently
it's
going
in
that
direction,
and
every
restaurant
wants
to
survive.
A
C
So,
are
we
okay
with
at
least
exploring
this,
or
is
this
I
think
it's
concerning.
A
Clear
examples
of
the
pros
and
cons
of
it
so
kind
of
have
a
heads
up,
but
involved.
D
C
Know,
and
just
one
note
of
clarification,
so
a
lot
of
times
this
can
come
up
in
a
in
in
a
one
of
our
pedestrian
oriented
areas
where
we
want
commercial
to
be
along
the
pedestrian,
sidewalk
passageways
and
keep
residential
away
from
it.
So
one
of
the
standards
that
we
would
have
for
this
type
of
buy
right
allowance
would
be
that
we
could
not
have
residential
on
the
pedestrian
facing
side.
On
the
first
floor
of
non-residential
in
these
types
of
okay,.
C
A
D
D
D
C
We
do
have
standards
for
buy
right
uses
and
that's
a
lot
of
the
code
is
dedicated
to
to
that
to
just
regulate
things
that
do
not
require
any
zoning
permits
or
any
even
any.
You
know
any
staff
level
review,
so
we
were
comfortable
with
those,
including
those
kinds
of
standards
to
clarify
when
this
this
would
be
exempt
from
some
type
of
review.
C
A
It
might
be
less,
but
what
do
you
think
is
the
most
most
beneficial
to
the
city,
not
just
necessarily
the
fastest
solution,
yeah
so
well,.
C
As
I
started
when
this
item
came
up,
I
said
staff
is
not
supportive
of
anything
we
don't
think
can
be
implemented
well.
We
believe
that
we
can
make
this
by
right.
C
If
this,
if
the
city,
council
and
the
planning
commission
still
see
issues
with
these
two
like
residential
and
non-residential
uses
being
on
the
same
level
of
a
mixed-use
building,
that's
okay,
but
staff
feels
comfortable
that
if
the
direction
is
yeah,
we
don't
really
have
an
issue
with
those
two,
those
two
uses
being
at
the
same.
You
know
on
the
same
level,
then
we're
comfortable
moving
forward
writing
standards
that
would
allow
for
that
to
occur
under
specified
scenarios,
and
if
we
bring
it
back
to
the
planning
commission
and
if
it
doesn't
work
for
you,
then.
A
We
can
change
it
at
that
time.
I
think
we're
probably
okay,
I'm
okay
with
the
my
right.
A
A
C
E
E
Last
bullet,
for
this
part,
so
reduce
review
of
several
conditionally
permitted
uses
from
a
conditional
use
permit
to
a
minor
conditional
use.
Permit,
for
example,
allow
service
stations
to
be
converted
into
a
permitted
use
with
a
minor
conditional
use
per
minute
versus
a
conditional
experiment.
B
So,
who
approves
the
the
minor.
C
B
C
C
C
A
C
D
C
So
the
last
item-
and
I
will
discuss
this-
one-
is
an
application
shot
clock.
This
was
proposed
by
council
and
I'm
going
to
have
mal
assist
me
on
this
one,
but
essentially
what
the
idea
here
is
to
establish
a
shot
clock
provision
in
our
municipal
code
to
automatically
determine
projects
as
approved.
If
staff
is
unable
to
process
an
application
in
a
target
time
frame
and
the
target
time
frame.
I
just
put,
for
example,
six
months
it
could
be
three
months.
It
could
be
in
any
any
period
of
time.
C
The
issue
with
this
is
that
we
cannot
have
a
shot
clock
like
this.
That
applies
to
discretionary
applications,
because
we
are
required
to
comply
with
the
california
environmental
quality
act
and
there's
no
there's
no
ability
to
bypass
that
process
to
obtain
a
discretionary
level
permit.
So
this
would
only
apply
to
administrative
permits
once
we
start
thinking
about
administrative
permits,.
C
There's
not
that
there's
there's
really
no
up,
there's
really
no
times
where
staff
is
very
slow
at
processing
this
type
of
application.
So
we
something
like
this
could
be
added.
It
wouldn't
really
make
that
big
of
an
impact,
because
our
typical
time
frame
is
about
two
weeks
for
administrative
permits.
Some
can
take
a
bit
longer,
but
that's
just
due
to
the
process
required
to
ensure
that
all
the
codes
are
met
I'll,
let
mel
add
anything
that
he
would
like
to
discuss
as
far
as
legal
implications.
D
No,
I
think,
that's
I
think,
that's
generally
accurate,
so
state
law
currently
or
already
has
a
shot
clock.
If
you
will
that
attaches
to
discretionary
actions,
it's
called
the
permit
stream
mining
act
and
staff
is
required
to
process
applications
pursuant
to
specific
time
frames
that
are
embedded
in
the
psa.
So
staff
has
to
determine
an
application,
is
complete
by
deadlines
and
then
has
to
take
action
on
applications
by
certain
deadlines.
Now,
as
adam
said,
those
deadlines
key
off
of
sqa,
because
you
can't
bypass
sequa,
but
we
do
have
those
those
shot
clocks.
D
If
you
will
in
state
wall
state
law
that
apply
to
discretionary
actions,
this
would
apply
exclusively
to
ministerial
actions.
You
could
embed
in
your
code
the
psa
deadlines
to
make
them
both
state
law
and
local
law,
but
it
wouldn't
change
what
state
law
says
about
those
deadlines.
A
That
come
from
state
law
when
it
comes
to
discretionary
actions,
and
how
does
this
expose
the
city
to
potential
lawsuits?
I
mean:
does
this
really
open
it
up
or
well.
C
A
C
C
Right
that
it
it
could
lead
to
things
being
improved
that
are
don't
meet
that
don't
meet
the
municipal
code.
That's
that's
one.
You
know
the
ultimately,
the
completeness
of
the
application
is.
C
C
C
So
the
shot
clock?
You
know,
I
I
understand
the
desire
of
it
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
against
the
intent,
but
we,
this
is
a
closed
system.
C
B
Self-Imposed
yes,
I
can
see
both
sides
of
this.
I
think
part
of
it
is
the
definition
of
done,
which
means,
when
you
have
applicants
that
don't
understand
what
they're
doing.
B
And
they
submit
incomplete
applications
but
from
their
perspective,
they're
done,
but
they're,
not
that
that
right
that
interaction
right
there
accounts
for,
I
think,
a
lot
of
friction
in
the
system
between
citizens
and
the
and
the
city,
because
right
now
it's
very
difficult
to
understand
what
what's
required
and
what
am
I
applying
for?
Oh
geez,
I
applied
for
the
wrong
thing.
Oh
no,
I
have
to
start
over
no
wait.
I
have
a
shot
clock.
Is
that
reset?
B
So
to
me
this
does
make
it
the
definition
of
down
very
important.
The
trackit
system
version
nine.
I
think
it's
going
to
go
a
long
way,
because
if
the
system
accepts
it
and
then
they
get
that
notification
of
your
application
has
been
submitted,
complete
we're
now
into
the
processing
stage.
Maybe
that's
the
definition
of
done
so
I
for
me.
I
think
this
is
one
of
those
situations
where
good
intentions
could
land
us
in
situations
where
people
are
pointing
fingers
unnecessarily
and
what
we
need
to
do
is
evolve.
B
B
Initial
submittal
is
considered
complete,
so
my
recommendation
would
be
we
would
put
this
one
kind
of
in
advance
until
we
evolve
with
trackit
version
nine.
We
evolve
with
these
other
streamlined
things
and
we
live
with
it
for
a
while,
and
we
realize
in
fact
the
promise
of
track
at
version.
Nine
has
been
realized
and
we
can
call
the
initial
submission
of
an
application
complete
or
done.
B
Then
this
makes
sense,
because
now
it's
not
arbitrary,
and
now
it's
not
subject
to
confusion,
because
right
now,
when
I
come
out
and
talking
to
people
they're
very
confused
about
well,
I
had
to
do
this,
but
the
city
told
me
I
needed
to
do
this
and
that's
their
fault.
No,
that's
a
you!
That's
an
operator
area!
You
didn't
understand
what
was
required,
but
you
have
sympathy
for
them
because,
what's
required
is
not
clear,
very
difficult
to
figure
it
out,
so
I
my
recommendation
would
be
we
don't
trash.
B
B
Their
perception
is
I'm
off
to
the
races,
but
no
you've
applied
for
the
wrong
thing.
You
haven't
even
started
once
we
get
all
those
things
in
place
and
perhaps
even
some
additional
things
on
the
website
that
allows
them
to
navigate
it
you're
trying
to
do
this.
It's
you
answer
these
questions
boom.
This
is
the
permit.
You
need
once
we
get
all
that
done.
I
think
then
this
becomes
something
we
should
bring
back
so
rather
because
I,
when
my
concern,
is
the
appeal
of
this
might
be
so
good.
B
B
Ask
the
staff
to
include
our
support
for
the
very
beginning
of
your
presentation,
which
was
those
big
four
projects:
the
specific
plans,
because
those
specific
plans
will
give
us
the
design
guidelines
that
are
kind
of
a
prerequisite
for
doing
this
stuff
without
the
design
guidelines.
B
We
can't
do
this
stuff,
so
I
wouldn't
want
the
appeal
of
let's
fast:
let's
put
the
fast
track
work
program
ahead
of
and
stall
our
specific
plans,
because
then
we
won't
have
the
design
guidelines
and
we'll
be
fumbling
the
ball,
so
the
specific
plans,
because
they
give
us
compliance
with
state
law.
They
give
us
design
guidelines
that
priority
needs
to
be
ahead
of
all
this,
the
same
with
the
housing
element
and
rezoning
program
required
by
state
law.
B
We
need
that
ahead
of
this,
the
lcp
those
I
think,
those
have
design
guidelines
as
well,
that
the
coastal
commission
needs
to
sign
off
on
and
maybe
once
that's
submitted,
that
they're
that's
going
to
take
a
year
for
the
coastal
commission.
Okay,
that
would
be
a
good
another
thing.
We
need
to
get
done
and
then
the
track.
It
version
nine
that
to
me
those
we
need
to
make.
B
B
B
So
if
we
all
agree
with
that,
I
would
like
to
see
that
reflected
in
the
minutes
or
reflected
in
your
returning
to
council
that,
oh
and
by
the
way
you
know
the
planning
commission
wanted
us
to
reiterate
that
these
things
really
are
prerequisites
and
also
educate
them
on
the
real
benefits
of
the
trackit
system,
because
I
think
that's
game
changer,
because
that
will
tell
an
applicant.
Your
initial
submission
is
good
versus
today.
A
Okay,
very
good,
thank
you
on
this
shot
clock.
I
think
you
need
to
find
some
other
city
that
has
come
up
with
a
adequate
shot
clock
proposal.
A
I
haven't
seen
one
yet
in
all
the
projects,
I've
processed
and
whatnot,
where
it
really
works,
because
we've
got
little
projects,
we've
got
medium-sized
projects,
we've
got
huge
projects
that
can
overwhelm
a
city
staff
and
they
can't
even
do
the
work.
It's
all
got
to
be
farmed
out
on
the
big,
expensive
projects
that
are
taking
a
lot
of
land.
I
totally
understand.
A
Any
builder
needs
a
performer.
You
know
built
in
how
long
is
going
to
take
me
to
get
it
processed,
and
if
they
do
things
right,
it
can
be
pretty
quick.
A
A
If
the
app
so
chooses
to
have
it
processed
quickly,
they
pay
a
premium
and
are
willing
to
bring
in
or
their
project
be
reviewed
by,
not
necessarily
just
in
planning.
This
planning
building
engineering
inspection
a
whole
bit
a
premium
to
bring
in
outside
individuals
or
companies
to
perform
those
services
expedited.
A
So
everything's
expedited,
like
capacity
on
demand
exactly
so.
We
wouldn't
have
to
staff
up
if
the
other
back
side
to
this.
If
we
give
a
a
drop
dead
date
and
all
of
a
sudden
we've
got
a
economic
downturn
where
we
can't
keep
staff
on
board
and
whatnot.
What
do
you
do?
All
of
a
sudden?
You
can't
fund
the
staff
to
do
it
within
that
time
frame.
It's
just
they're,
not
there,
and
so
there
are
a
lot
of
pitfalls.
A
So
I
think
we
need
to
find
an
example
where
it's
been
done
properly,
but
it
would
be
great
to
have
it
would,
I
think,
increase
applications
it'd
be
good
for
development
good
for
developers,
and
maybe
you
can
ask
them.
You
know
what
they've
seen
in
the
past,
but
you
know
whatever
it
will
be
to
their
advantage.
A
So
it's
certainly
something
to
consider,
but
I
don't
have
a
solution:
how
to
implement
or
what
the
planning
commission
can
do
to
say
just
throw
more
people
at
it.
More
money.
A
So
that's
the
danger,
but
I
understand
the
desire
to
have
something
like
that
and
if
we
can
make
it
work
great,
I
just
have
to
see
how.
D
D
D
I
have
a
problem
with
automatic
because
I
don't
think
just
because
it
misses
some
time
frame,
whether
it's
simple
or
complex,
that
they
should
automatically
be
given
it,
because
it
may
be
greatly
disadvantaged
to
the
city
and
city
in
a
number
of
ways,
but
I
do
think
there
should
be
some
if,
if
we
have
a
list
of
how
long
this
should
take
two
weeks
four
weeks
six
months,
if
it's
approaching
that
there
should
be
some
kind
of
trigger
or
a
little
tickler,
you
know
why
is
it
taking
that
long
so
that
maybe
we
can
remedy?
D
B
B
Step
might
be
setting
up
service
level
as
you
as
you
go
through
this.
You
know
this
process
of
consolidating
and
so
forth.
Maybe
you
would
come
up
with
a
service
level
that
says
we
expect
this
to
be
done
in
x,
amount
of
time
and
you
may
be
patted
a
little
bit
for
uncertainties
and
if
you
don't,
if
you're
coming
up
within
a
week
of
that-
and
it's
not
done
it
automatically,
you
know
escalation
goes
to
the
director.
A
D
C
Yeah
over
time
there
there
have
been
a
number
of
such
studies.
C
The
thing
that
I
would
like
to
say,
though,
is
that
we
are
aware
of
what
those
time
frames
are.
We
have
performance
measures
that
we
are
required
to
compile
every
quarter
and
they
go
into
the
budget
every
year,
and
that
is
to
inform
the
council
in
their
budgetary
allocations
if
over
time,
performance
is
not
up
to
par.
C
There
is
a
fundamental
problem
with
our
staffing,
in
which
case
that
would
be
internal
review,
and
we
want
to
correct
those
problems,
but
we
we
do
have
these
these
standards
and
they're
identified
in
the
application
information
on
the
city's
website,
in
planning
and
in
building
where
we
tell
people
what
the
time
frame
is
for
typical
process
processing
of
applications
from
the
time
that
they
are
deemed
complete
until
they're
deemed
complete
it's
it's
that's
it's
incumbent
on
the
applicant
to
provide
the
necessary
information
and
in
planning
that
can
be
somewhat
difficult,
and
the
reason
being
is
that
planning
or
zoning
laws
are
very
nuanced.
C
C
D
Sorry,
I
think
staff
did
a
great
job
of
compiling
the
list,
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
improvement.
So
I
commend
you
on
that
to
the
regular
applicant.
You
know
all
of
these
ones,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
every
single
one,
with
the
exception
of
track
at
nine,
was
specific
to
the
planning
department.
D
The
applicant
doesn't
know
that
all
he
wants
is
his
permit,
but
he's
gotta
you
know
get
through
public
works
or
engineering
and
building
on
safety
and
ocfa.
Maybe
so
I
would
love
to
see
you
know
some
outreach
to
the
other
departments.
Look
for
opportunities,
one
in
particular
with
engineering
I
think,
grading
permits.
My
understanding
is
that
grading
permits
trigger.
D
If
you
have
to
move
50
yards
or
more,
which
you
know
a
pool,
could
do
that
and
and
then,
if
you
do,
that
public
works
is
slow
on
review
and
grading
permits
like
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna,
you're
gonna
have
a
four-month
delay
because
you've
got
a
great
information.
D
I
don't
know
okay,
so
so
I
think
that
I
don't
know
if
you
know
you
can
interface
with
the
other
people,
but
I
think
grading
permits
should
be
looked
at.
I
don't
know
what
other
choke
points
there
are
or
what
other
problems
in
other
departments
that
cause
delays.
D
I
think
it
would
be
great
if,
with
the
track
at
nine
system,
it
would
be
awesome
if
people
that
are
getting
inspections
could
have
could
see
where
their
inspector
is
or
how
far
away
he
is
from
the
job
site,
because
normally
you
say
okay,
I
get
a
morning
permit
and
I've
got
a
morning
inspection
you
got
to
be
there
at
eight.
The
guy
doesn't
show
up
till
you
know
noon
you
just
wasted
a
morning
waiting
around
for
for
for
the
inspector,
but
if
you
could
see
hey
he's
he's
two
stops
away.
D
D
D
So
if
it's
possible,
that
would
be
a
big
help
to
to
users
to
to
to
permitees
another
thing
which
I
know
is
outside
of
your
control,
but
if
you
could
get
some
attention
on
it
from
council
would
be
awesome.
The
orange
county
survey
department
relative
to
like
map
processing
and
things
is
notoriously
super
super
slow.
D
If
you
want
to
do
a
simple
parcel
map,
it
takes
a
year
and
that's
that's-
that's
a
huge
disservice
to
people
that
need
that
service,
so
any
kind
of
political
pressure
that
could
be
used
to
push
that
along
would
be
awesome.
Those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you.
Anyone.
A
E
I
have
a
few
comments,
but
I'll
keep
them
brief.
I'm
a
big
fan
of
the
submittal
permit
web-based
process.
E
I
think
if
you
could
streamline
the
permit
process
along
with
my
colleagues
phoenix
here,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
other
things
that
we
looked
at
here
tonight
would
fall
in
line.
So
I
would
like
to
see
that
be
the
number
one
also
with
the
building
inspectors
going
out
on
job
sites
in
other
areas.
They
actually
text
message.
E
They
let
them
know
that
they're
on
their
way
or
they'll,
be
there
in
an
hour,
so
that
would
give
some
idea
of
where
they
are
in
the
queue
when
you
can
follow
your
submittal
from
start
to
finish,
you're
not
going
to
get
the
phone
calls
of
what's
going
on
so
that
will
streamline
the
process.
It
works
in
other
cities
and
it's
time
it
needs
to
it
needs
to
work
here.
E
E
That's
what
I
call
streamlining
codifying
the
design
guidelines
with
the
objective
standards,
also
very
positive,
and
then
consolidating
the
site
plans
and
development
mid
process
into
that
one
bucket.
I
think
that
will
be
helpful.
E
All
of
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
prequal,
so
everybody
knows
what
they
need
ahead
of
time
to
submit
their
project
and
it's
not
another
phone
call.
Oh
well.
Now
you
need,
you
know
a
site
plan
for
now
you
now
you
need
to
submit
your
subsar
so
get
it
all
done
at
once,
get
it
in
and
it
will
work
itself
out.
E
I
have
a
lot
of
concern
about
all
these
other
things
that
were
listed
all
all
very
reasonable,
but
yet
vague
and
that's
when
I
say
it's
more
of
a
hope
and
a
dream
at
this
point.
I
want
to
see
that
tightened
up
and
we
talked
about
those
areas
very
concerned
about
changing
height
standards,
property
lines,
codes
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
closer.
So
those
are
my
comments,
but
I'm
very
very
happy
that
there
is
going
to
be
some
streamlining.
D
A
And
making
things
as
transparent
as
possible?
Okay,
mr
mckinnon.
I've
already
said
this:
okay,
okay,
the
staff
have
any
questions
of
us
at
this
point.
C
No,
we
do
not.
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
that
were
provided.
I
will
say
that
the
this
item
is
going
back
to
the
city
council
as
a
special
presentation.
C
While
the
item
will
be
finished
at
the
end
of
this
meeting,
if
there
are
any
individual
commissioners
that
have
comments
or
thoughts,
staff
would
still
like
to
hear
about
them.
After
the
fact,
we
can
always
add
them
into
our
comments
when
we
go
to
the
city
council,
so
it
wouldn't
necessarily
be
reflective
of
the
commission
as
a
whole,
but
yeah
there's
a
lot
here,
and
so,
if
you
wake
up
in
the
middle
of
the
night
with
some
great
idea,
do
not
keep
it
to
yourself.
A
Very
good,
okay
and
thank
you
chris
good
job.
A
So
that
will
do
it
for
the
permanent
streamlining
part
business.
So
now
we
have
old
business.
Do
we
have
any
comments
on
old
business?
A
I
see
none
reports
of
commissioners
and
staff
adam
did
you
have
anything
you
wanted
to.
C
Yes,
the
council
meeting
of
july
5th,
let
me
phrase
that
the
council
meeting
of
the
first
july
council
meeting
is
cancelled
and
it
can
be
customary
for
the
planning
commission
to
cancel
its
first
or
it's
it's
a
joining
meeting
to
that
council
cancelled
meeting,
which
would
make
the
july
6th
meeting
yeah
the
july
6th
meeting
the
one
to
cancel.
If
the
commission
would
like
to
do
that
right
now,
there's
nothing
on
the
senate
of
the
future
agenda
for
that
meeting.
So,
commissioner,
would
like
to.
A
Let
people
plan
their
short
week
for
those
that
are
working.
C
A
Okay,
so
no
opposition
to
it,
and
then
I
wanted
to
bring
up
one
item
just
to
encourage
the
planning
department
staff
to
push
for
getting
continuing
education
going
for
planning.
Commissioners
there's
a
planning
commissioner
seminar
in
early
november
for
commissioners
and
it's
and
it's
in
dana
point
it's
one
of
the
local
ones
cool.
So
I
would
encourage
staff
to
consider
that
and
see
if
I've
been
to
a
number
of
them.
That
are
very
helpful.
A
So
I
think
that
does
it
for
reports
from
competitors
and
staff.
So
do
we
have
a
motion
for
adjournment.
D
A
A
Crandall
passes
good
job
everybody
and
it
lasts
a
little
longer
than
we
expected,
but
good
work
always.