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From YouTube: MAR 22, 2021 | Charter Review Commission
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City of San José, California
Charter Review Commission of March 22, 2021
This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=850699&GUID=B76F49D6-D0CA-43F1-8DD9-7603DEC1E6B9
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
B
A
I'm
going
to
call
the
role
so
first
we
have
barbara
marshman
here,
christina
johnson
here
dan
bizuto.
A
Dan
bazudo
elizabeth
monley,
here
ellie
matsumura,
here
enrico
calendar.
D
A
F
G
A
G
You
know
what
I'm
gonna
do
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
just
gonna
use
my
my
word.
My
word
version,
which
I
understand
how
to
do
so.
We
have
interpretation
in
spanish
and
vietnamese
at
the
bottom.
You
collect
interpretation
and
click
the
language
language.
You
would
like
to
hear.
So
if
you
want
to
hear
vietnamese,
you
switch
to
the
vietnamese
audio
channel
and
if
you
want
spanish,
you
switch
to
the
spanish
channel.
B
Okay,
thank
you
tony.
In
terms
of
the
orders
of
the
day,
I'm
going
to
ask
that
consent.
Item
b,
the
letter
to
the
city
council
regarding
the
budget
be
heard
concurrently
with
the
work
plan
and
that
we
include
that
in
the
budget
proposal,
discussions
worth
of
work
plan
and
also
I'm
going
to
ask
indulgence
tonight,
I'm
going
to
move
the
new
business
first
and
then
go
back
to
the
old
business
for
two
reasons.
One
is
to
be
respectful
of
our
guests.
B
Professor
nelson
is
here
from
the
east
coast,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
keep
her
up
till
the
wee
hours
of
the
morning.
So
we're
really
grateful
that
she's
joining
us
tonight,
so
we're
going
to
start
there
with
our
new
business.
But
my
second
reason
is:
I
think
it
also
will
inform
our
actions
that
we
may
take
on
the
work
plan
after
her
presentation,
and
it
also
will
allow
the
public
who
is
joining
us
tonight,
to
be
able
to
comment
both
on
professor
johnson's
discussion
that
we
have
as
well
as
the
work
plan
itself.
B
So
with
those
I'm
going
to
move
to
the
consent,
calendar
and
the
consent.
Calendar
is
items
to
the
commission
meetings
and
the
item
regarding
the
budget
and
the
request
for
the
budget
of
the
authorization
of
the
chair
to
request
the
council
additional
dollars
and
the
clerks
report
back
on
terms
of
budget.
If
we
take
action
on
this,
there
is
a
place
later
for
us
to
take
any
further
action
when
we
look
at
the
work
plan.
B
A
Sorry,
chair
just
point
of
clarification,
so
we
are
for
section
b.
We
we
you
of
your
discretion.
We
are
moving
that
to
the
work
plan
during
new
business.
Yes,.
B
Got
it
through
the
reactions?
We
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
all
received
both
the
letter
draft
and
the
budget
proposal
from
the
clerk
and
we'll
take
action
that
when
we
take
up,
but
I
wanted
it
to
go
in
the
public
record
so.
B
Second,
thank
you.
Can
we
take
the
role.
A
I'll
take
the
role.
First
is
barbara
marshman,
yes,.
H
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair,
if,
if
we
need
to
pull
the
minutes,
I'm
sorry
procedurally,
what's
the
appropriate
way
to
do
that,
and
I
am
aware
of
your
good
points
about
being
mindful
of
our
guest
speaker's
time.
H
It
is
regarding
the
vote
for
this
budget.
I
hadn't
actually
understood
that
our
motion
was
to
bring
it
back
this
week
to
the
commission.
H
G
Okay,
yes,
the
hi,
this
is
tony
city,
tabor
city
clerk
after
you
guys,
ended
the
meeting
when
megan-
and
I
were
talking
about
it.
I
realized
that
we
didn't
have
you
authorize
the
chair
to
transmit
the
letter,
which
is
what
we
typically
need
to
do,
so
we
were
bringing
it
back,
so
he
could
get
that
authorization.
Typically,
you
guys
say
what
you
want
to
do
then.
The
chair
and
I
would
work
together
on
a
letter
and
then
he
would
sign
it
and
we'd
send
it
off,
but
we
didn't.
G
H
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification,
and
so
is
this
sort
of
the
typical
practice.
If,
if
we
pass
a
motion,
but
then
it
turns
out
that
the
motion
can't
be
carried
out,
that
we
then
change
change
the
minutes.
H
So
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
it
was
actually
a
different
motion
that
we
approved
at
the
last
meeting.
But
then
you
know
you
realize
that
we
observed
a
certain
motion.
You
realized
that
that
procedurally
wouldn't
work,
and
so
we
needed
to
bring
back.
G
G
G
G
I
opened
the
wrong
minutes.
I
think
I'm
looking
at
the
minutes
of
february
8th,
so
you
guys
you
guys,
can
actually
go
ahead
and
vote
on
the
orders
of
the
day
and
then
we
can
continue
this
conversation
under
consent
calendar.
So,
procedurally,
you
can
pull
things
off
of
consent.
You
don't
need
to
do
that
under
orders
of
the
day,
so
go
ahead
and
vote
on
orders
of
the
day.
G
Let
me
take
it
while
you
well,
since
it's
a
lot
of
names
to
call
by
the
time
she's
done,
calling
I'll
have
the
correct
minutes
open
and
we'll
we'll
talk
about
it
when
we
get
to.
A
Consent,
okay,
so
I'll
start
over
with
barbara
marshman.
A
H
So
sorry
we're
we're
voting
to
approve
the
maintenance.
B
K
D
B
D
A
I
E
G
Yes,
the
the
minutes
do
need
to
be
corrected.
I
want
to
pull
them
up
and
make
sure
the
problem
is.
I've
got
like
12
screens
open.
I
need
to
close
some
programs.
I
didn't.
G
You
so
the
minutes
do
reflect
that
it
says
the
request
budget
proposal
to
be
added
to
the
next
meeting's
agenda.
That
should
say
with
request
for
the
budget
proposal
to
be
sent
to
council.
G
It
was
after
the
fact
that
we
realized
it
needed
to
go
on
to
the
next
agenda,
because
we
didn't
authorize
anybody
to
actually
write
the
request
if
you
have
now.
If
just
you
know,
you
don't
have
to
do
that.
Every
time
you
you
make
a
motion
to
send
something
to
the
council,
when
you
guys
have
your
final
plan.
All
formulated,
you'll
approve
that
plan
and
it
will
get
automatically
trans.
You
know
transferred
to
the
council.
You
don't
have
to
authorize
the
city
clerk
to
send
it.
You
would
just
that's.
That's
the
final
approval.
G
That's
your
final
report,
but
this
kind
of
thing.
When
we
have
a
letter,
that's
really
taking
a
conversation,
there's
no
specific
wording
that
you
guys
looked
at
you're,
taking
a
conversation
and
putting
it
to
sending
it
to
the
council.
Somebody
needs
to
be
authorized
to
write
that
without
coming
back
for
you
to
approve
the
actual
language,
so
you
either
authorize
the
the
chair
to
do
that
or
you
tell
the
clerk
to
come
back
with
final
wording
for
you
guys
to
approve
the
final
wording
and
we
didn't
clarify
either
one
of
that.
G
B
G
We
didn't
have
a
maker,
we
didn't
have
a
consent,
calendar
motion,
yet.
B
A
A
Hi
enrico
calendar,
frank
maitzke,.
I
K
D
A
I
A
E
A
B
D
B
B
B
Then
we
will
open
up
for
rounds
of
questions
from
the
commissioners
and
then
we
will
be
able
to
move
to
our
public
hearing
piece
around
this
item
before
we
move
to
the
work
plan
for
the
second
part
of
the
public
hearing.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
lawrence
to
facilitate
the
conversation
and
to-
and
we
welcome
excuse
me
excuse
me-
we
welcome
professor
nelson
for
and
thank
her
for
joining
us
this
evening.
Lawrence.
M
Yeah
thank
you,
chair
and
thank
you
again
to
professor
nelson
for
joining
us.
I've
been
very
impressed
by
professor
nelson's
involvement
in
this
conversation
and
communities
across
the
country.
M
It's
not
often
you
meet
someone
whose
life
work
is
to
discuss
these
very
issues
that
you
are
contemplating
as
a
commission,
and
we
have
someone
on
the
the
meeting
tonight.
Who
is
that
very
kind
of
unicorn?
So
I
hope
that
you
all
can
really
benefit
from
what
she
presents,
but
also
ask
her.
M
The
questions
that
you
have
about
the
real
particulars
of
of
mayor
council
versus
council
manager
and
professor
nelson
is
gonna
share
with
her
with
us
what
the
research
shows
from
a
non-partisan
and
an
unbiased
perspective
to
best
she
can
before
we
get
started.
I
also
want
to
point
out
two
other
resources
that
were
shared
with
you.
All
one
is
a
chart
of
comparison
between
the
two
government
governance
forms
that
fred
is
holding
up
right
there
and
that
was
requested
by
you.
All
this,
I
think,
is
a
living
document.
M
It's
something
that
that
that
we
put
together
for
you
and
and
run
by
professor
nelson
she's
graciously
given
her
input
on
on
this,
and
so
I
hope
this
becomes
something
that
informs
the
conversation
moving
forward
and
helps
to
to
be
a
cheat
sheet
of
sort.
As
far
as
the
the
language
you
use
and
and
some
of
the
the
differences
between
forms
and
if
there's
other
things
we
can
add
to
this
over
time,
we'll
do
so.
The
second
piece
is
a
memo
from
professor
terry
christensen,
which
chair
has
printed
out.
M
We
had
a
professor
emeritus
at
san
jose
state
university.
Professor
christensen,
we'd,
reached
out
to
a
number
of
times
to
to
present
to
you
all,
but
schedules
did
not
align,
so
he
wanted
to
respond
to
some
of
your
interest
in
the
historical
context
of
other
charter
revisions
and
so
that
memo,
I
think,
you'll
find
some
real
good
background
on
not
only
some
of
the
specifics
around
when
and
how
and
why
the
charter
was
changed
over
the
last
50
plus
years,
but
also
some
specifics.
M
Around
community
engagement
for
the
last
two
charter
commissions
in
1975,
76
and
1985.
M
You
know
the
highlight
from
him
is
that
you
all
are
doing
already
a
much
better
job
in
a
very
different
era
than
past
commissions
had
as
far
as
community
engagement
and
encouraging
you
to
keep
up
that
good
work.
So
with
no
further
ado
I'll
pass
it
on
to
professor
nelson
to
to
share
with
us
her
perspective
for
her
research
on
on
council,
mayor
versus
manager,
council.
N
Great,
thank
you.
So
much
is
my
audio
okay.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
make
sure
okay
great,
so
thank
you
for
having
me.
I
have
a
powerpoint.
N
I
incorporated
the
chart
that
lawrence
showed
you
so
that
we
can
use
that
as
part
of
the
basis
of
discussion
and
I'm
happy
to
take
questions
at
the
end.
So
let
me
share
the
slides.
N
N
So
before
I
go
into
forms
of
government,
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
about
my
background,
and
I
know
that
the
stereotype
of
professors
is
that
we
all
live
in
this
ivory
tower
and
they
were
very
detached
from
reality.
And
that's
not
the
case
for
where
I
work.
The
unc
school
of
government's
mission
is
to
improve
the
lives
of
north
carolinians
and
by
improving
government
in
the
state
of
north
carolina
and
so
all
of
us.
In
addition
to
myself,
I
teach
in
the
masters
of
pope
administration
program.
N
So
I
teach
graded
courses,
but
I
spend
a
lot
of
my
time
working
with
local
officials,
both
elected
officials
and
administrators,
doing
things
like
leadership,
training,
strategic
planning,
helping
local
governments
with
discussions
about
former
government
structure
and
things
like
that
and
another
very
important
part
of
the
value
of
the
school
government
is
that
we're
non-partisan
and
non-advocacy.
N
So
we
train
our
general
assembly,
newly
elected
general
assembly
members.
We
train
newly
elected
local
government
officials
across
the
state,
and
so
it's
very
important
for
us
to
not
appear
as
biased,
and
so
we
take
that
very
seriously
and
and
so
when
I'm
speaking
to
you
tonight,
my
judgments
are
based
on
my
my
education,
my
research
and
my
experience
as
far
as
experience
with
form
and
structural
change.
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
communities
about
possible
options
for
their
former
government,
and
this
is
my
primary
research
area.
N
So
most
of
my
research
uses
a
former
government
as
a
variable
to
try
to
determine
how
local
government
performs
in
different
ways
and
then,
as
I
said
before,
I
do
a
lot
of
practical
work
as
far
as
strategic
planning
and
leadership
training
goes
as
well
as
management
training
too,
and
then
I
am
serving
on
the
national
civic
league's
model
city
charter
steering
committee
for
the
revision
of
the
model
city
charter.
Those
of
you
aren't
familiar
with
the
model
city
charter.
It
might
be
something
you
should
you.
N
You
should
consider
looking
up
and
I
think
I'd
give
a
link
later
on
in
the
presentation,
if
not
I'll,
send
it
to
you.
But
it's.
It's
really
been
around
for
over
100
for
about
a
hundred
years
and
every
so
many
years
they
they
get
a
committee
together
to
look
at
it
and
and
consider
changes
and
places
that
are
newly
incorporating
or
changing.
Their
charters
often
adopt
the
model
city
charter
in
their
communities,
and
so
it's
a
very
important
job
to
do
so.
N
So,
as
I'm
doing
this,
I'm
also
working
tomorrow,
but
I'm
meeting
with
them.
Actually,
as
we
talk
about
revisions
to
model
city
charter,
this
is
the
chart
that
you've
been
given,
and
so
I'm
going
to
use
this
to
go
through
some
of
the
differences
between
mayor
council
and
council
manager,
form
and
sort
of
the
elevator
speech.
You
can
give
people
when
you're
trying
to
describe
the
difference
between
mayor
council
or
council
manager
and
council
manager.
N
Is
you
can
say
that
mayor
council
form
is
very
similar
to
the
state
level
governments
or
the
federal
level
government,
in
that
you
have
separation
of
powers
between
the
executive
and
legislative
branches,
whereas
council
manager
government
is
modeled
after
american
corporate
board
structure,
so
you
have
a
the
the
citizens
act
as
shareholders
who
vote
for
board
of
directors.
The
city
council
and
the
city
council
appoints
the
ceo,
the
manager,
and
so
it
was.
It
was
modeled
after
that
it
started
in
stanton
virginia
in
1908,
so
it
is
the
reform
model
of
government.
N
The
legislative
authority
is
solely
vested
in
the
council
in
the
mayor
council
form
and
it's
shared
by
the
council
and
the
mayor
in
the
council
manager
forum
in
the
as
far
as
executive
power
in
mayor
council
forum
in
most
places,
not
in
north
carolina.
The
mayor
is
the
executive.
North
carolina
has
mayor
council
form
and
several
other
states
do
as
well,
where
there
are
no
at
all.
N
N
N
Originally,
when
this
form
was
first
conceived,
the
idea
was
to
remove
some
of
the
political
machine
power,
and
so
the
elected
mayor
was
considered
somewhat
of
a
risk,
a
mayor
elected
at
large
because
of
potential
corruption
from
political
machines,
and
so
as
first
conceived
by
richard
chiles,
who
first
wrote
about
the
councilman
reform
and
promoted
it.
The
the
mayor,
the
mayor
was
to
be
chosen
by
council,
but
most
a
lot
of
states
require
an
elected
mayor
and
in
other
cases
local
governments
have
just
chosen
to
elect
their
mayor.
N
So
it's
much
more
common
nationally.
Removal
of
the
mayor
in
california
can
be
done
by
a
recall
election
and
in
council
matter
form.
It
depends
on
how
the
mayor
is
selected,
but
recall,
of
course,
is
an
option,
no
matter
what
conditions
for
removal
of
the
ceo.
So
in
the
case
of
the
mayor
council
is
the
mayor.
N
The
mayor
can
be
again
removed
through
recall
or
determines
term
limits,
and
then
the
ceo,
the
manager
in
a
council
manager
form,
can
be
removed
at
any
time
without
cause.
The
mayor
is
not
a
member
council
on
the
mayor
council
form
in
most
places.
N
There
are
a
few
exceptions
throughout
the
united
states,
but
california
know,
and
the
the
mayor
is
a
member
of
council
and
councilman
reform
and
whether
the
mayor
can
vote
with
council,
not
in
in
mayor
council
governments,
but
yes,
or
only
in
case
of
a
tie
with
the
council
mandatory
form
again
for
all
of
these.
You
can
look
nationally
and
there
will
be
differences,
potentially
appointment
and
removal
of
the
cao.
N
N
It's
typically
the
mayor
who
removes
the
cao
in
the
council
under
governments,
the
council,
the
appointment
and
removal
department
heads
again
the
this
is
the
ceo's
job,
so,
whether
it's
a
mayor
manager,
that's
who
would
do
it
and
then
charters
differ
on
whether
or
not
council
is
required
to
confirm
those
appointments.
N
Advisory
boards.
There's
no
rules
on
that.
So,
if
you
guys
want
to
whatever
you
want
to
do
on
appointment,
advisory
boards,
there's
no
data
that
shows
a
research
that
shows
one
way
is
better
than
another,
and
the
variability
is
enormous
on
that
policy
development.
The
mayor,
you
know,
usually
runs
on
a
platform
and
can
propose
policies.
The
manager
has
a
different
role.
The
manager
is
to
provide
advise,
advise
advising
to
the
elected
board
and
can
recommend
policy
options,
but
should
only
do
so
based
on
professional
experience,
not
for
political
reasons.
N
The
policy
advice
comes
from
staff
mayor
council.
Governments
often
have
you
know
politically
appointed
staff
in
the
mayor's
office,
the
professional
staff
and
council
manager
forum,
but
the
manager
and
the
professional
staff
would
provide
advice
in
the
council
manager
forum,
a
veto
authority
again
there.
There
is
variability
on
this,
so
this
is
something
that
can
be
changed
and
it
really
doesn't
change
whether
is
an
executive
mayor
or
not
in
north
carolina.
N
The
only
mayor
who
has
a
veto
is
a
non-executive
mayor
and
a
councilman
reform
in
charlotte
in
california,
we
have
a
mayor
with
a
veto
in
san
bernardino,
in
the
council
manager
forum
and
at
other
times
mayors
sometimes
have
veto,
sometimes
not
in
the
mayor
council
form
and
finally,
policy
implementation.
N
You
know
it's
the
mayor's
job,
there's
no
role
for
council.
The
council
has
less
oversight
in
the
case
of
the
mayor
council
government
than
they
would
in
the
council
measure
form
the
manager
implements
in
the
the
policy
in
the
council
management
form.
I
wouldn't
say,
there's
no
role
for
council,
because
there
are
much
more
specific
decisions
and
directives
given
by
counsel
for
a
council
major
forum
than
there
would
be
for
mayor
council
form.
N
Typically.
So
that's
a
summary
of
that.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
that
before
we
look
at
some
of
the
patterns
across
the
united
states.
E
Okay,
but
I
guess
I
wanted
to
understand
if
there
was
an
operational
difference
between
a
ceo
versus
the
cao,
I
kept
thinking
chief
analyst
officer
and
I
didn't
know
what
they
know,
what
that
role
was.
N
Chief
administrative
officer
is
the
generic
forum
for
the
person
who
has
day-to-day
operational
authority
to
run
the
government
services
at
local
level,
and
then
ceo
is
the
chief
executive,
so
that
person
you
know,
is
in
charge
of
the
executive
branch
of
government.
As
far
as
having
the
authority,
you
know
to
to
be
in
charge
of
the
department
heads,
for
example,
leadership
authority.
N
It
doesn't
imply
that
saying
the
manager
seo
does
not
imply
that
the
manager
has
independent
executive
authority,
because
executive
and
legislative
authority
really
is
in
the
hands
of
the
council
and
the
mayor
in
the
councilman
reform.
It's
not
in
the
hands
of
the
manager
independently.
E
So
then,
in
the
chart
that
was
sent
to
us
with
our
agenda
packet,
where,
under
the
mayor
council
system,
we
the
the
language
that
says
that
a
cao
is
optional.
What
we're
really
saying
is
that
in
the
mayor
council
system,
if
there
was
no
cao,
the
mayor
handles
the
executive
power
but
also
handles
the
administration.
N
Correct,
although,
as
I
said,
it's
it's
very
uncommon
in
a
community
or
size
not
to
have
a
cao
as
well.
M
A
Yes,
I
have
a
quick
question.
One
thing
I
don't
see
on
here:
I
it
seems
to
me
that
the
council
should
have
a
role
in
monitoring
the
implementation
of
policy.
I
know,
and
in
your
experience
is
that,
typically
in
a
charter
that
that
they
describe
how
that
happens-
and
it
seems
like
it
would
be
different,
whether
the
manager
implements
or
the
mayor
implements
it,
the
council
may
have
a
bit
of
a
different
role.
J
N
N
Most
charters,
don't
say
anything
specific
about
that.
We
actually
in
the
model
city
charter,
doesn't
say
anything
but
we're
concerned
about
that
and
we're
actually
going
to
add
some
accountability
language
in
there.
Usually,
the
charter
says
something
very
general
about
oversight
in
the
council
manager
forum
that
you
know
oversight's
sort
of
built
into
the
council
manager
reform.
N
Given
the
council
is
giving
manager
policy
instructions
that
the
manager
is
then
fulfilling
and
the
man
and
and
they
do
performance
evaluations
on
the
manager
and
they
you
know
manager-
doesn't
have
that
much
discretion.
Aside
from
what
the
what
is
delegated
to
him
or
her
with
the
oversight
with
the
mayor
council
form
is
much
more
difficult
because
the
incentives
are
different
and
because
the
structure
is
different.
So
with
the
mayor
council
form,
it
is
still
the
council's
obligation
to
exercise
oversight.
N
It's
just
harder
for
them
to
do
so,
because
the
mayor
has
an
independent
role.
The
mayor
mayor's
incentive
isn't
to
please
the
council.
The
manager's
incentive
is
to
make
sure
the
council
is
happy
with
his
or
her
performance
right,
because
that's
how
they
keep
their
job.
The
mayor's
incentive
is
to
get
usually
to
get
reelected.
N
L
A
M
F
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we're
looking
at
these
and-
and
I
think,
we're
kind
of
talking
about
san
jose
being
council
manager
at
the
moment,
but
it's
really
a
hybrid
and
that's
what
the
85
commission
did.
For
instance,
here
the
mayor
does
propose
the
budget
and
that
was
considered
a
significant
power
shift
from
the
last
charter
review.
The
mayor
has
his
own
staff
doing
or
her
own
staff,
doing,
analytical
work
and,
and
so
on.
F
Not
relying
on
the
city
staff
and
proposing
policy
is
the
same
as
you
know,
preparing
the
budget.
The
mayor
does
a
lot
of
of
that
in
san
jose,
so
just
to
keep
in
mind
we're
not
comparing
we're
not
talking
about
two
different,
two
entirely
separate
things
here:
we've
got
a
hybrid
situation
in
san
jose.
N
So
I
I
would
respectfully
disagree
somewhat
for
that,
because
the
two,
the
true
hybrids
in
the
united
states,
I
would,
when
I
wrote
you-
could
I'd-
be
happy
to
share
a
research
paper.
N
I
did
on
this
the
what,
in
my
opinion,
what
makes
a
community
a
hybrid
is
when
the
the
lines
are
blurred
between
whether
they're
separation
of
powers
or
not
and
and
unified
powers,
and
somewhat
empowering
a
mayor
by
giving
the
mayor
first
right
to
look
at
a
budget
may
come
close
to
that,
but
really
when,
when
we
see
true
hybrids
throughout
the
united
states,
those
are
cases
like
kansas
city,
where
the
mayor
appoints
the
manager.
N
The
mayor
gets.
First,
look
at
the
budget.
The
mayor
has
veto
the
mayor.
Can
fire
the
manager
independent
of
council,
and
so
those
sorts
of
things
are,
are
what
we
would
call
a
true
hybrid
somewhat.
Empowering
the
mayor,
I
wouldn't
say,
make
san
jose
a
hybrid
government.
N
I
would
say
that
it
empowered
the
mayor
a
little
bit
and,
and
quite
frankly,
I
find
true
hybrids
to
be
very
problematic
in
the
places
that
have
them,
because
it
makes
it
very
difficult
for
management
and
staff
to
know
who
they
report
to
who
their
loyalties.
N
You
know
who
they're
supposed
to
take
direction
from,
so
if
you
can
be
hired
from
by
one
person
fired
by
another
group
of
people
or
vice
versa,
think
about
that
in
your
own
life.
What
would
you
do
if
you
worked
in
that
situation?
It
makes
for
a
difficult
work
situation,
so
I
don't
believe
in
the
best
of
both
worlds,
idea
that
some
communities
seem
to
be
sort
of
going
to
there's,
not
a
lot
of
evidence
that
that
helps
with
performance.
Well,
there's
actually
no
evidence
that
it
improves
performance.
M
Great
thank
you.
I
see
one
question
from
commissioner
lazad
and
then
I
I'd
like
to
just
there's
gonna
be
plenty
of
time
for
more
questions.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
through
professor
nelson's
presentation.
So,
commissioner
lazad,
let's
hear
from
you
and
then
let's
move
forward
yeah.
J
I
just
wanted
to
concur
with
barbara
marshman.
You
know,
maybe
hybrid,
isn't
the
the
term
of
art
that
the
speaker
would
use,
but
neither
one
of
these
charts
is
what's
happening
in
san
jose
and
I
think
it
would
have
been
really
helpful
to
have
a
third
column
where
we
put
in
what
exactly
is
going
on
in
san
jose,
because
it's
different
it's
it's.
It's
a
lot
different
than
either
one
of
these,
and
I
think
that
was
barbara's
point
not
so
much.
The
term
of
art,
of
vibrant.
M
Duly
noted-
and
that's
the
next
step
for
this
chart
that
we
will
add
that-
and
I
also
just
want
to
note
speaking
to
some
nomenclature
issues
that
have
come
up
empowered
executive
and
talking
to
professor
nelson
and
seeing
some
of
her
work
has
come
up
as
an
alternative
form
for
strong
mayor.
M
So
I
think
we
might
adopt
some
of
that
language
moving
forward,
but
it
does
seem
that
san
jose
is
an
empowered
executive
form
of
council
manager
and
yeah,
duly
noted
that
we
can,
in
this
next
version
of
this
chart,
reflect
the
actualities
of
san
jose.
N
Okay,
so
if
we're
looking
at
where
we
see
how
we
see
former
government
break
out
across
the
united
states,
you
see
that
in
the
top
10
largest
cities
by
population
united
states,
six
of
them
are
mayor
council
and
for
our
council
manager.
N
But
if
you
look
more
broadly,
if
we
bring
it
to
25
000
and
above
you
can
see
that
this
shows
you
the
number
and
percentages,
and
you
can
see
that
the
council
manager
form
and
the
mayor
council
form
as
you
as
you
go
into
that.
That's
still
in
very
large
places.
N
Mayor
council
has
a
slight
edge,
but
once
you
get
to
large
communities
that
are
in
the
middle
range,
half
a
million
and
above
council
manager
starts
starts
taking
over
as
far
as
numbers
go
and
the
council
manager
form
overall
in
the
united
states
is,
is
much
more
common
than
the
mayor
council
form.
This
is
using
2010
population
figures,
so
san
jose
would
be
under
a
million
here.
They
wouldn't
be
in
the
million
mark
here.
N
This
does
also
does
not
include
the
other
forms
govern
the
united
states,
commission
form
and
town
meeting
form
that
we
have
in
the
united
states.
We
look
at
california
cities.
The
mayor
council
form
versus
council
manager,
forum
council
manager
is
much
more
common
in
california
than
in
than
mayor
council.
Is
you
know
the
count?
If
you
are
not
a
statutory
city
in
the
state
of
california,
then
you're
able
to
have
a
charter
form
of
government,
and
I
will
say
one
more
thing
about
comparing
the
forms
of
government.
N
The
united
states
is
unbelievably
diverse,
even
within
a
single
state,
as
far
as
our
forms
of
government
go.
So
when
we
talk
about
these
patterns
of
forms,
there
are,
you
know,
little
exceptions
that
have
been
made
throughout
the
country
and
throughout
the
state
that
make
these
governments
unique
and
make
us.
We
have
the
most
diverse
local
governments
in
the
united
in
the
world
and
and
it's
interesting
working
with
scholars
from
around
the
world,
because
they
don't
understand
why
we
don't
have
like
one
template
for
local
government,
but
we
don't.
N
We
don't
even
have
three
templates
for
local
government
there's
a
lot
more
than
that.
So
if
we
look
at
former
government
change,
attempts
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
often
communities
across
the
united
states
are
thinking
about
changing
the
form
government
where
they
actually
go
to
a
formal
vote
since
1990.
N
This
is
municipal
only
not
county.
We
see
that
there
have
been
73
attempts
to
change
from
mayor
council,
accounts
manager
and
62
from
council
manager.
Mayor
council
there
was
50,
it
was
58
58
success
rate
for
the
mayor
council,
council
manager
and
45
success
rate
from
council
manager
at
american.
N
As
far
as
research
findings
go,
you
know
I'm
happy
to
share
the
full
citations
for
these
articles
when
we
do
studies
of
form
of
government
and
these
other
variables,
we
aren't
really
trying
to
say
one
form
is
better
than
another,
necessarily
we're
curious
about
what
factors
generally
influence
these
types
of
variables,
and
we
include
former
government,
often
in
these
studies
and
when
we
do
look
specifically
at
former
government-
it's
because
you
know
we
have
conversations
like
this
at
the
local
level,
where
we're
looking
at
at.
N
Why
should
we
choose
one
form
over
another?
And
so
there
isn't,
though,
a
set
of
studies
out
there.
That
say,
let's
look
at
a
comprehensive
set
of
variables
and
compare
the
the
two
major
forms
of
government
and
and
see
what
we
come
up
with.
There's
nothing
like
that
out
there.
So
everything
are
these
discrete
studies,
so
these
are
the
most
current
studies
looking
at
those
variables,
so
you
see
my
name's
up
there
a
lot.
N
As
I
said
before
I,
this
is
all
I
do
so
this
is
my
my
life's
work
is
local
government
form
and
structure
there's
a
fairly
recent
study
on
bond
ratings
by
dove
he's
an
economist,
and
the
studies
showed
that
council
manager
forum
of
government
have
better
bond
ratings
this.
This
was
a.
The
second
study
showed
this
there's
a
big
ibm
study
several
years
before
that
found
the
same.
Had
the
same
findings,
I
would
argue,
the
dove
study
was
a
little
more
rigorous.
N
I,
with
my
mentor,
jim
savara,
who
you'll
probably
read
a
lot
about.
If
you
as
you
go
through
different
articles,
we
did
a
study
on
innovation
and
the
factors
related
to
innovation
that
we
saw
on
more
innovation
in
local
governments
that
had
council
manager
form.
A
recent
study
I
did
with
my
colleague,
whitney
alfonso
on
corruption,
found
that
the
council
manager
reform
offered
considerably
lower
risk
for
corruption,
57
less
likely
to
have
major
corrupt
acts
than
the
mayor
council,
former
government,
and
then
we
had
a
conflict
study.
N
N
N
You
have
to
be
careful
with
anything
on
on
spending,
though,
just
because
certain
places
like
to
spend
more
money
than
other
places
culturally
can
that's
a
preference
that
a
community
has,
but
that
the
most
recent
study
on
public
spending
and
there's
been
a
number
of
studies
on
public
spending
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
consistency
in
the
findings.
But
the
most
recent
one
said
mayor
council
form
voter
turnout,
so
there
haven't
been
any
studies
in
the
past
decade.
Lauren's
asked
me
to
check
on
this
prior
to
2010.
N
You
have
to
be
careful
and
read
those
studies
critically,
because
voter
turnout
is
most
heavily
associated
with
whether
or
not
it's
a
even
number
year
election
and
whether
you
have
district
elections.
So
you
better
turn
out
in
both
those
cases,
and
so
both
of
those
are
usually
associated
with
mayor
council
form
so
yeah.
A
lot
of
that
washes
out.
If
you
have
district
elections
and
you
have
even
year
elections
in
the
councilmander
forum
and
then
there's
a
lot
of
other
research
on
forum.
N
That's
not
about
performance,
it's
not
about
which
one's
better
or
worse,
it's
just
more
descriptive
about
the
different
forms
and
about
the
roles
that
people
play,
and
so
there
isn't
a
lot
of
of
other
research
on
that's
on
performance
specifically.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
about
the
research.
M
Yeah,
who,
whose
hand
is
up,
I
see
commissioner
seagal.
L
N
They
are
copyright
protected.
I
can
provide
the
full
citation,
but
I
can't
you
should
be
able
to
access
them
in
any
public
library,
but
I
can't
provide
the
actual
article
itself.
M
Yeah-
and
I
have
run
into
that
with
some
of
the
research
I've
done-
I've
considered
reaching
out
to
the
institution
to
see
if
they
would
release
it
to
the
commission,
but
take
some
time-
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
even
really
a
practical
consideration,
but
I
think
at
the
very
least
I
can
compile
a
citation
list
for
for
for
this
commission
and
based
on
professor
nelson's
list
here.
Let's
see,
I
saw
commissioner
mon
lee's
hand
go
up
and
you're
removed.
A
F
N
Well,
as
I
said
you
can
get
the
studies
you
would
have
to
go
to
san
jose
university.
I
mean
I
can't
give
you
copyrighted
material
okay,
but
this
is
the.
This
is
peer-reviewed
research.
This
is
the
only
vetted
research
out
there,
so
anything
else
you
read
is
not
going
to
be
that's
publicly
available
is
not
peer-reviewed,
rigorous
research
right.
N
So
it's
not
my
it's
not
my
role
to
tell
you
what
you
should
do
right.
In
my
opinion,
I've
been
studying
former
government
for
a
really
long
time.
You
know
your
comments
about
the
san
jose,
not
being
a
council
manager
form.
You
know.
G
N
And
so
I
would
say
that,
while
you
might
change
your
form
somewhat
or
change
it
entirely,
I
don't
know.
F
I'm
just
trying
to
relate
the
list
to
us,
so
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
M
Thanks,
mr
modley-
and
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
you
know
this
is
an
opportunity
to
ask
start
to
ask
specifics
about
the
the
nuances
of
of
potential
policy
recommendations
that
this
commission
might
consider
of
of
our
guest
professor
nelson,
and
you
know
what
she's
seen
how
it
plays
out.
M
You
know
I
I
do
want
to
just
make
a
side
note
is
that
after
our
last
conversation,
I
think
that
what
I
I'm
committed
to
to
support
you
all
is
to
start
to
to
track
policy
recommendations
that
do
come
up
so
that
we
have
a
running
list
of
of
basically
ideas
that
are
generated.
We've
heard
some
from
other
speakers.
You
know,
I
think
some
of
you
are
getting
to
the
point
where
you're
potentially
going
to
be
suggesting
some.
M
But
if
there's
kind
of
questions
you
have
about
sort
of
some
of
the
different
roles
like
how
would
it
work
if
there
were
veto
power?
M
That,
I
think
could
be
a
good
use
of
professor
nelson's
time
on
the
call
today
you
know
because,
because
this
is
these,
we
can't
really
talk
in
generalities.
Without
you
know,
it's
just
not
to
get
us
very
far,
as
especially
as
far
as
the
commissions
work,
and
I
totally
understand
what
you're
saying
is
that
these
are
generalities
you
know
in
this
list.
But
you
know
this
is
a
process
of
unfolding
and-
and
this
is
getting
us
closer
to
canonical
sort
of
peer-reviewed
forms
of
research
that
we
can
use.
M
So
with
that,
you
know
kind
of
common
recommendation,
I'll
move
on
to
commissioner
matsumura
and
then
commissioner,
sanchez
and
percival
and
then
dip.
H
Thank
you.
I
have
two
questions
I'll
put
both
of
them
out
there.
One
is
just
building
on
commissioner
monley's
question.
I
want
to
get
the
recommendations
that
you
can
offer
for
how
we
look
at
variables
in
the
city
beside
you
know
you
put
out
population
size,
but
what
variables
do
we
need
to
consider
in
order
to
translate
research
or
the
experiences
of
other
cities
to
ours
like?
Are
there?
Are
there
best
practices
within
your
field
for
sort
of
saying?
H
My
second
question
is
whether
there's
any
available
research,
that's
not
better
or
worse,
research,
but
that
looks
at
issues
of
accountability
and
representation,
because
that's
what
we've
been
tasked
to
look
at
so,
for
example,
I've
seen
research
at
the
federal
level
looking
at,
which
advocates
are
most
consistently
successful
in
their
efforts
to
impact
legislation,
and
I'm
wondering
whether
there's
any
information
about
the
success
of
advocacy
efforts
or
certain
categories
of
advocates
in
achieving
their
goals
based
on
on
form
of
government.
N
Thank
you.
So
thank
you.
I
I
think
when
I
show
you
these
studies,
I'm
I'm
trying
to.
I
guess
I
should
give
you
a
little
more
explanation
about
the
fact
that,
for
example,
looking
at
the
corruption
study,
I
did
that
was
20
years
of
data
with
every
single
city
with
pop
in
the
us,
with
populations
of
10,
000
and
above
in
it
for
20
years,
including
san
jose.
N
Every
single
city
in
the
united
states
is
is
represented
in
there
for
20
years
and
it
looked
at
major
corruption,
convictions
across
that
20-year
time
period
and
it
compared
multiple
variables.
Many
variables
were
in
there,
but
the
only
variable
that
was
substantially
significant
and
protected
a
local
government
from
major
corrupt
tax
was
the
council
manager
form.
That
was
the
only
thing.
N
Poverty
had
a
slight
impact,
but
so
these
findings
are
telling
you
what,
when
we
move
across
the
united
states
for
long
periods
of
time,
often
we
can
see
patterns
in
the
data
that
tell
us
that
give
us
an
indication
that
there's
a
good
thing
there
and
that's
what
we're
starting
to
uncover.
With
some
of
these
studies.
The
bond
reading
study
you
care
about
fiscal
stability
of
your
community
right,
so
good
bond
ratings,
good
budgetary
solvency.
N
Those
are
indicators
of
good
good
fiscal
stability,
and
these
big
peer-reviewed
studies
look
at
a
lot
of
communities
over
a
long
time
and
control
appropriately,
and
then
they
go
through
a
blind
peer
review
process
where
other
scholars
have
to
weigh
in
and
decide
whether
or
not
the
research
was
sound
and
valid.
So
as
far
as
which
variables
to
consider,
I
think
these
are
some
of
the
most
important
ones.
I
don't.
I
think
that
some
variables
that
you're
going
to
talk
about
have
to
do
with
what
your
community
values
the
most.
N
M
N
That
side,
so
in
government
accountability
comes
from
four
sources.
It
comes
from
the
law,
you
know
rules,
laws
regulating
what
government
officials
can
and
can't
do.
It
comes
from
transparency,
open
meetings,
open
records,
acts,
a
government
that
values
transparency
and
takes
action
independently
of
the
law
to
be
transparent.
N
So
when
we
talk
about
comparing
forms
of
government
on
accountability-
and
this
goes
for
whether
you
want
to
talk
about
council
manager
and
mayor
council
or
you
want
to
add
a
commission
in-
you
want
to
add
town
meeting-
and
you
want
to
talk
about
the
hybrids,
you
can
look
at
where
accountability
these
four
sources
and
which
form
given
the
way
it's
structured.
N
You
know
the,
as
I
said
before,
for
example,
the
oversight
function
tends
to
be
much
more
rigorous
when
there's
unified
powers,
legislative
and
executive
in
the
same
branch
body
oversight's
harder
with
mayor
council
forum,
the
the
public.
As
far
as
having
the
ability
to
elect
a
mayor
versus
not
elected
manager.
N
You
know
that
only
comes
every
two
or
four
years,
depending
on
what
the
terms
are
and
the
manager
can
be
fired
every
single
day.
So
you
know,
there's
a
very
there's
a
difference
between
holding
someone
to
account
and
being
accountable
and
holding
someone
account
means
an
external
force
is
being
applied
to
make
sure
that
person's
accountable,
like
the
electoral
process
but
being
accountable,
comes
from
a
much
broader
set
of
sources
of
accountability,
including
professional
standards
and
a
code
of
ethics
that
the
managers
have
to
operate
on.
N
So
I
do
think
that
there
are
some
studies
that
look
that
so
the
studies
that
you're
referring
to
on
accountability-
and
I
can
share
those
with
lawrence
most
of
them
are
opinion-
are
based
on
perspective.
So
they'll
survey,
council,
members
and
mayors
from
across
the
country
and
they'll
say
you
know-
will
ask
questions
about
accountability
and
they'll,
ask
about
their
government
and
how
how
high
quality
the
accountability
is
and
those
sorts
of
questions,
and
then
they
compare
by
form
of
government.
You
know
I
I
I'm
happy
to
share
those
studies.
N
You
know,
I
think
those
those
perspective
based
studies
aren't
aren't
great
they're
people's
opinions
right,
but
but
I'm
happy
to
share,
there's
been
a
couple
of
those
that
are
out
there
that
talk
about
accountability.
That
way
did
that
address
your
question.
H
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
more
time,
but
I'm
curious
whether
there
are
better
measures
right
like
for
example,
how
how
frequently
a
mayor
council
member
is
recalled.
That's
you
know
not
necessarily
the
kind
of
instability
that
you
want,
but
it
is
sort
of
an
indication
of
of
are
we
really
using
elections
as
a
form
of
accountability?
You
know
holding
someone
to
account
to
use
your
language,
so
you
know
there's
this
other
piece
of
of
whether
advocates
are
successful
in
moving
agendas,
which
then
you
know
it's
subjective
of.
H
N
So
recall
throughout
the
united
states
is
not
as
common
as
you
might
think,
and
so
fewer
than
half
of
municipal
governments
actually
fall
have
that
you
know
that
the
citizens
have
that
ability
in
the
united
states
so
they're
to
my
knowledge,
unless
there's
been
something
done
in
california,
I
haven't
seen
a
study
like
that,
and
certainly
nothing
that
can
I
mean
it's
very
uncommon
in
in
a
council
manager
forum,
there
has
been
like
some
there's,
a
study,
a
new
york
times,
article
about
impeachment
of
mayors
a
few
years
ago,
but
it
certainly
wasn't
done
in
any
way
that
was
rigorous
research.
N
You
know,
as
far
as
the
part
you
were
saying
about
advocacy.
Local
government
is
very
different
from
federal
and
state
government,
and
I
think
that
you
know
it's
really
personal
judgment
as
to
whether
that
is
a
positive
or
negative.
So
you
know
whether
whether
a
mayor
is
able
to
get
their
you
know
their
their
platform
passed
through
the
local
government.
There
have
been
some
studies
on
that.
I
I
don't.
N
M
Okay,
great
professor
nelson,
do
you
have
more
slides
than
this,
or
are
you
close
to
the
end
of
your
presentation
just.
M
Okay,
let's
finish
that
and
then
I
have
a
stack
here
which
I'll
get
to.
N
Okay,
so
other
just
some
broad
points
about
form.
No
form
provides
a
mayor
with
policy
making
authority
independent
of
council
only
in
cases
where
the
council
has
passed
a
charter
provision
or
an
ordinance
or
or
even
something
in
the
emergency
powers
that
gives
a
mayor
specific
policy
making
authority.
N
Do
they
have
that
emergency
powers
in
all
forms
do
not
allow
major
policy
change,
independent
counsel
unless
it
was
pre-previously
delegated
through
charter
ordinance,
the
term
weak
mayor.
I
want
to
advise
all
of
you
not
to
use
that
to
refer
to
council
manager
forum.
There
are
weak
mayor
governments
in
the
united
states,
those
are
weak
mayor
council
governments,
usually
non-executive
mayors
or
a
mayor.
That's
called
the
ceo,
but
has
no
no
authority,
no
executive
authority,
and
so
those
exist
throughout
the
united
states
and
those
are
the
weak
mayors.
N
The
council,
mandatory
forum
is
not
a
weak
mayor
form
and,
as
I
said
before,
the
national
civic
league
model
study
charter
that
I'm
working
on
the
revision
for
that
charter
right
now,
as
for
the
steering
committee,
currently
only
endorses
the
council
manager
form
at
one
point
it.
It
had
two
options:
mayor
council
or
council
manager,
mayor
council,
with
a
cao
sorry
and
a
council
manager,
but
they
no
longer
endorse
the
mayor.
Council
form
all
right
questions.
M
Great
yeah,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
the
stack
here,
encourage
people
to
be
concise
with
their
questions
so
that
we
can
get
as
many
questions
in
as
possible
and
I'll
start
with.
Commissioner
sanchez
yeah
yeah.
D
Real
quick
just
want
to
to
see
if
we
can't
get
some
insight.
A
From
those
individuals
who
have
worked
or
or
or
or
been
a
part
of
a
mayor,
council,
type
of
governance
or
a
council
manager,
type
of
governance
get
some
insight
from
from
those
individuals
in
terms
of
their
experience
with
the
different
types
of
governance
structures.
And
I
and-
and
I
I
think
that
would
maybe
give
us
some
more
background
as
we
move
forward
in
making
the
critical
decisions
that
we're
that
we've
been
asked
to
to
do.
A
And-
and
you
know,
and
of
course
with
the
mission
that
we
have
is
moving
forward
to
possibly
making
changes
in
the
structure
that
we
have
right
now
with
the
city
of
city
of
san
jose.
So
anyway.
So
I
I
don't
know
how
that.
D
Would
how
we
could
do
that,
but
I
think
that
would
be
interesting
to
again
to.
A
M
Great
we
we
have
scheduled-
we
have
holds
for
our
next
meeting
for
former
city
manager
and
former
mayor
of
san
jose
to
present
on
just
that
that
topic
and
we're
trying
to
get
one
other
person
to
to
round
out
the
the
the
perspective.
So
thank
you
again
for
that
interest.
N
There's
also
a
couple
of
studies
that
that
survey,
people
who
have
been
both
city
managers
and
caos
in
mayor
council
forum,
they're
they're,
not
really
current,
but
I
can
give
you
those
citations
too.
M
Thank
you,
okay.
So
the
questions
we
have
here
on
our
stack
before
we
move
on
are
commissioners.
First
of
all,
dieppe
marshman,
lazad,
manley,
tran,
okay.
So
commissioner
percival.
K
Thank
you
and
professor
nelson.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
for
your
time.
I
know
it's
a
late
your
time,
so
I
really
appreciate
you
spending
spending
time
with
us
and
I
just
lawrence.
I
just
wanted
to
put
this
out
there.
I
don't
know
if
we'll
be
able
to
do
this,
but
certainly
I
have
access
to
many
of
these
articles
through
san
jose
state.
So
if,
if
the
commission
members
would
like
to
get
access
to
some
of
these,
I
can
help
offline
with
some
of
that.
M
K
Follow
up
with
you
on
that
yeah?
No
problem
yeah,
my
my
my
question
was
more
along
the
lines
of
community
trust
in
government.
I
know
this.
This
wasn't
one
of
the
factors
that
you
had
had
brought
up
specifically,
but
for
a
lot
of
community
members,
the
mayor
is
kind
of
the
symbol
of
local
government,
and
I
know
in
san
jose.
That's
always
been
a
sort
of
sticking
point
for
mayors
is
that
you
know
when
the
public
thinks
of
local
government
and
what
it's
doing
or
not
doing
they
think
of
the
mayor.
K
K
So
I'm
wondering
if,
if
you
have
some
sense
of
what
research
has
shown
about
public
trust
in
government
under
these
different
forms,
you
know
if
they
feel
like
government,
works
better
for
them
or
pays
more
attention
to
their
issues
that
are
important
to
them,
particularly
among
groups
who
might
be
often
marginalized
in
local
politics,
if
there's
a
greater
sense
of
trust
or
responsiveness
and
in
different
forms.
So
thank
you.
N
So
I
haven't
seen
anything
on
looking
at
trust
in
government
by
former
government,
but
I
will
do
another
check
and
see
if
I
see
anything
specifically
on
that,
I
will
say
that
until
very
recently,
local
governments
were
somewhat
immune
from
the
distrust
that
this
the
public
feels
towards
the
federal
and
state
level
governments.
N
It
used
to
be
this
really
steep
drop-off
in
in
lack
of
trust
when
you
got
to
the
local
level
and
it
was
really
high
for
us
congress
that
was
at
the
top
so
but
local
level
is,
is
showing
some
increasing
distrust.
Unfortunately,
the
last
10
years,
and
but
I
will
look-
I
don't
know
whether
anyone
has
done
that
yet,
but
but
I
will
look
for
it
and
I
will
send
lawrence
any
sites.
I
find
on
that.
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thanks,
professor.
I
enjoyed
your
presentation.
I
I
like
I,
like
your
framing
of
one
form
government
being
more
like
the
state
government
and
the
other
one
being
like
a
board
and
the
ceo
being
the
mayor
along
those
lines.
I'm
curious
on
this
notion
of
I
guess,
responsiveness
to
to
public
sentiment
or
you
know
the
will
of
the
people
quote
unquote
and
in
san
jose.
We
have
an
elected
mayor,
but
we
have
the
council
manager
form
of
government
and
that's
kind
of
for
lack
of
a
better
hybrid
right.
E
Not
the
state
forum,
where
the
mayor
has
a
veto
and
is
the
governor's
figure
it's,
but
it's
not
the
the
city
council
manager
form
where
the
council
elects
the
mayor
or
the
mayor
seat
is
rotating
every
year
like
in
some
cities,
so
in
san
jose
you
have
an
elected
mayor
like
professor
percival
was
saying,
and
sometimes
that
person
he
or
she
wins
on
a
on
a
platform
and
then
that
that
agenda
is
not
executable,
because
you
have
to
kind
of
garner
a
majority
on
the
council
and
that's
through
district
voting.
N
So
so,
first
I'll
say
that
the
majority
of
council
manager
forms
have
elected
mayors
in
the
united
states.
That's
the
mayor,
selected
by
the
council,
is
not
as
common
as
people
may
think,
and
I
have
the
data
on
district
versus
at
large
for
all
cities.
10
000,
above
that
I
can
run
and
share
with
lauren.
So
I
don't
have
it
memorized.
N
I
wish
it
did,
but
there's
close
to
4
000
cities
in
that
category,
so
I'll
have
to
run
it.
But
you
know
this
this.
I
hear
this
a
lot.
You
know
I
talk
to
a
lot
of
communities
across
the
country
and
this
is
probably
the
most
common
sort
of
complaint
about
the
council
manager
form.
N
But
I
don't
know
how
I
don't
know
whether
you
know
it's
a
very
persuasive
argument
for
the
public
and
it's
a
very
compelling
argument
for
the
public,
but
don't
the
council
members
represent
the
will
of
the
people
too.
They
were
elected
as
well.
So
I'm
not
sure
why
it's
a
bad
thing
to
have
to
find
consensus
on
a
board
to
make
decisions.
N
You
know
that's
the
way
the
system
was
set
up,
and
so
you
know
I've
sat
on
in
council
and
commissioned
meetings
across
this
country
so
many
times
so
many
communities,
so
many
communities
and
I
was
set.
I
sat
in
one
with
almost
a
hybrid
government
like
you're
talking
about,
but
it
was
at
the
county
level
and
I'll
never
forget
this.
N
Organize
this
board
literally
tabled
every
single
item
on
their
agenda
over
and
over
and
over
again
for,
like
two
years,
never
made
a
decision,
they
could
never
reach
consensus,
and
so
my
point
is
that
working
together
and
finding
consensus
is
something
that
has
to
happen
no
matter
what
your
former
government
is
and
that's
what
makes
government
work
and
so,
and
so
I
don't
think
it's
a
bad
thing
that
you
have
to
work
together
and
reach
consensus
among
a
set
of
elected
officials
who
are
all
representing
the
will
of
the
people.
M
Great,
thank
you.
So
I
have
commissioners
marshman
lazad,
manley,
tran
and
barrosio.
F
D
F
In
talking
about
the
the
balance
of
powers
between
the
with
the
mayor
and
council
and
and
a
council
manager
forms,
you
know
at
some
point,
we
get
to
what
you
call
a
hybrid
and
you
say:
that's
really
bad,
and
I
it
just
scares
me
of
the
last.
F
The
last
charter
commission
considered-
and
I
guess
some
some
of
the
folks
who
spoke
to
us
favored,
a
proposal
to
keep
keep
the
structure
of
the
city
manager
running
administration,
but
giving
the
mayor
power
to
hire
and
fire
the
city
manager,
and
I
think
there
was
some
other
department
head-
might
have
been
planning
that
they
were
interested
in
at
the
time
it
does.
That
shift
is
that
is
that
shift
something
that
you
would
say
as
a
harmful
kind
of
hybrid,
or
I
mean
it,
it
does
not.
N
Yeah,
that's
basically
a
mayor
council,
former
government,
then
yeah,
that's
a
true
hybrid
or
it's
a
mere
council.
Councilman
reform
is
unification
of
powers
in
the
body
of
the
council
and
the
mayor
together.
Okay,.
F
So
that
that
would
push
it
over
to
not
a
good
thing
in
in
your
view,
that
is,
that
is
what
you
I
think
said
earlier.
N
Very
limited
number
of
true
hybrids
and
kansas
city
is
one
of
them
and
they
spent
years
in
court
over
the
firing
of
the
manager.
The
mayor
wanting
to
fire,
the
manager
and
the
council
saying
no
so
there's
evidence
that
it
causes
problems.
N
The
mayor
has
the
power
to
the
mayor:
does
have
power
to
hire.
The
mayor
does
not
have
the
power
to
fire,
but
what
the
mayor
said
was
that
the
contract
was
up
for
renewal
and
he
didn't
want
to
renew
it,
and
so
he
had
the
right
not
to
renew
it.
F
M
M
O
Yes,
thank
you
for
that.
Thank
you,
professor
nelson,
for
your
for
your
expertise
and
sharing
your
time
with
us.
I
have
two
questions.
If
I
may,
one
of
them
is
what
does
your
research
show
around
organizational
culture
shifts
with
these
with
these
two
forms,
how
do
department
heads,
shifting
or
possibly
shifting
every
four
years
or
eight.
O
Impact
the
the
outcomes
that
a
city
wants
right
and
then
the
second
question
along
the
lines
of
effectiveness.
How
does
an
elected
like
mayor.
O
Their
professional
expertise
to
hire
department
heads
and
to
monitor
and
to
do
that
whole
accountability
piece.
How
does
it,
how
does
it
fare
in
in
the
models
right?
Because,
typically,
anyone
can
run
for
mayor
right
and
once
someone
is
elevated
by
the
people
into
that
position,
there's
a
whole
complex
set
of
responsibilities
right.
So
how
does
it?
How
does
it
fare
in
both
cases.
N
So
I'll
do
your
first
question
and
then
I
might
have
a
clear
clarification
for
the
second
question,
because
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
you're
asking
but
the
organization
culture
I
mean.
That's
a
fascinating
research
study.
That's
never
been
done.
It
would
be
great
to
know
that
in
some
conclusive
way,
I'm
working
on
a
study
right
now,
where
we're
looking
at
organizational
struct
like
or
chart
changes
after
overtime.
And
so
you
know,
a
new
mayor
gets
elected
or
a
new
manager
gets
appointed.
N
How
much
change
happens
over
time.
So
we
need
to
get
that
first
before
we
can
look
at
the
harder
to
measure
cultures
per
second.
First
of
all,
do
we
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
structural
change
below
the
org
chart
in
the
org
chart
in
the
lower
levels
below
the
manager
or
the
mayor,
and
then
do
we
know
that
and
then
we
can
look
at
culture
and
so
we're
just
now
starting
some
work
on
that,
and
so
unfortunately
it's
not
it's
not
ready
yet,
and
then.
N
Your
second
question
was
about
people
who
work
in
government.
Could
you
could
you
ask
me
that
again.
O
Yes,
so
like,
for
example,
one
of
our
one
of
our
council
members-
I
remember
he
was
speaking
to
a
small
group
of
people
and
he
said
what
it
took
me
to
win.
A
campaign
are
skills
that
I
left
at
the
door
as
soon
as
I
became
a
city
council
member
and
then
every
four
years.
O
I
go
back
to
those
skills
and-
and
I
put
them
in
place
so
then
I
take
that
to
the
mayor's
role
where,
where
perhaps
the
skills
of
a
mayor
in
in
in
the
in
the
mayor,
council
role
or
or
not,
the
role
but
the
model
where
they
have
to
hire
and
assess
department
heads.
O
I
wonder
if
the
research
shows
that
does
an
elected
official
come
with
those
skills
or
do
they
campaign
with
those
skills
and
telling
the
people
hey.
I'm
a
good
person
for
this
job,
because
I
can
do
this
and
I
have
these
skills
or
or
is
there
a
platform
totally
different?
That
wants
to
become
elected,
that
the
skills
and
the
administrative
skills
are
not
necessarily
a
good
match,
and
I
just
wonder
what
the
research
says
about
that.
N
Yeah,
so
there's
no
direct
research
on
that.
I
think
that
that
is
one
of
the
fundamental
reasons
the
council
manager
form
was
created.
N
The
people
who
created
the
council
manager
forum
believe
that
you
shouldn't
hire
someone
to
run
a
city
who
doesn't
have
experience
running
a
city
or
education
or
anything
that
the
professional
manager
brings
profession
in
all
norms
and
professional
experience.
N
That
is
important
to
have
for
the
job,
especially
when
you
get
into
bigger
cities
and
the
budgets
are
bigger,
and-
and
this
is
what
my
hypotheses
for
the
corruption
and
why
it's
so
much
more
prevalent
in
the
mayor
council
form.
I
believe
one
of
the
reasons
is
that
mayors
aren't
skilled
at
hiring.
N
You
know
understanding
public
budgeting
and
understanding.
You
know.
Public
budgeting
and
private
budgeting
are
not
the
same
thing.
Any
of
you
have
governmental
accounting
experience
know
this
right,
it's
completely
different,
and
so
you
know
that's
a
special
skill
set.
That's
required,
and
and
the
internal
controls
that
are
required
in
government
are
so
much
more
extensive
than
what
you
would
see
in
the
private
sector
and,
and
so
that
was
part
half
of
the
theory
behind
why
corruption
is
worse
than
the
mayor
council.
N
The
other
half
of
the
theory
was
that
the
incentives
that
are
at
play
that
the
electoral
incentives,
the
political
process,
the
political
environment,
that
full
polit
fully
political
city,
which
is
a
mayor
council
form,
operates
under
means
that
there
are
a
lot
more
attempts
at
bribery.
N
Pay-For-Play
kinds
of
things
happening
because
the
system
is
more
amenable
to
that
than
you
would
see
in
the
customization
form
is
that
the
mayor
and
the
councilman
forum
cannot
independently
accept
a
bribe
and
then
change
policy,
independent
council,
so
yeah,
there's
not
anything
direct
on
on
those
skill
sets
that
are
needed.
N
There's
been
a
number
of
books
on
you
know
the
best
mayors
in
in
in
both
kinds
of
government
there's
several
books
by
my
mentor
about
the
facilitated
mayor
and
it
describes
the
skill
set,
that's
most
effective
in
local
government
for
a
mayor
to
be
most
successful
and
it
it
works
under
both
forms
of
government.
N
M
Okay,
thank
you,
commissioner
borosio.
I'm
gonna
move
us
forward.
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
to
continue
to
to
think
about
these
questions.
We
only
have
about
five
minutes
left
before
we
need
to
move
on
to
public
comment
and
the
rest
of
our
agenda.
I
want
to
hear
from
someone
we
haven't
heard
from
before.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
commissioner
posadas
to
ask
a
question
of
professor
nelson.
Thank
you
very.
D
C
C
N
So
I've
spoken
a
number
of
community
meetings
where
communities
were
considering
changing
the
way
the
council
members
were
elected,
both
changing
the
size
of
district
and
changing
the
number
of
districts
or
changing
from
at
large
to
all
districts
and
I'll.
Tell
you
that
today
there
is
not
a
great
deal
of
the
evidence
that
any
of
it
matters
anymore,
that
we
do
see
greater
turnout
when
we
have
district
elections,
but
there's
no
sort
of
optimal
size.
N
People
have
done
studies
to
see
if
there's
an
optimal
size,
there's
really
no
nothing
there,
and
you
know
it
used
to
be
that
we
would
get
much
better
racial
representation
on
council
with
district
elections,
but
today,
as
most
communities
are
more
diverse
throughout
the
community
that
that's
less
likely
to
happen
and
and
and
it
did
not
in
any
way
promote
gender
diversity
on
elective
boards.
N
And
so
you
know
when
I
give
these
presentations,
I
say
it's
just
it's
just
citizen
choice,
there's
no
evidence
that
any
way
is
better
than
another
way,
except
in
the
fact
that
when
you
have
districts,
it's
more
likely
and
the
smaller
the
district,
this
would
be
the
case.
It's
more
likely
that
that
individual
elected
official
is
going
to
get
to
know
his
or
her
constituents
better
than
if
that
elected
official
comes
from
a
large
district,
and
so
but
there's
no
there's
not
been
any
study.
N
That
says
this
is
the
perfect
size.
Unfortunately,
there's
they've
they've
done
studies
trying
to
find.
Is
there
an
optimal
size,
but
they
have
not
found
one.
O
D
M
L
N
Yeah,
this
came
up
in
a
model
city
charter
discussion.
If
the
manager
is
elected,
the
manager
is
then
a
mayor.
I
mean
it's,
it,
I'm
not
sure
where
that
comes
from,
but
that
would
be
that
would
be
making
the
manager
mayor.
L
N
They
would
be
banned
from
the
international
city
county
management
association
if
they
ran
for
elected
office
at
the
local
level.
It
is
a
violation
of
code
of
ethics
for
a
manager
to
engage
in
political
activity.
N
That's
another
part
of
the
essence
of
the
form
is
that
managers
are
do
not
participate
in
partisan
politics
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
and
if
they
do
they're
banned
for
life
from
icma.
H
You
so
much
and
thank
you
again,
professor
nelson,
in
terms
of
what
the
research
shows
around
the
hiring
and
firing
of
department
heads
by
electives,
because
we've
been
looking
at
the
mayor
in
relation
to
the
manager.
H
N
So
I
did
a
study
early
on
when
I
was
still
a
phd
student,
where
I
looked
at
at
the
ceo
qualifications
of
the
cao
in
mayor
council
form
versus
council
manager
forum
to
see
if
the
choice
of
ceo
was
politically
motivated
in
the
mayor
council
forum,
and
that
study
showed
that
the
cios,
typically
in
the
mayor
council
forum,
have
some
political
relationship
with
the
mayor,
they've
known
the
person
before.
In
some
cases
they
worked
on
the
mayor's
campaign.
N
M
All
right:
well,
professor
nelson,
it's
10
30
your
time,
so
we're
gonna.
Let
you
go
and
start
your
your
bedtime
ritual.
Hopefully
you
can
do
that
in
posthaste.
You
know
on
behalf
of
all
the
commissioners
and
and
the
commission
itself.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I'll
connect
with
you
about
the
follow-up
items
really
appreciate
your
commitment
to
this
work
and
the
time
you
shared
with
this
commission
and
if
other
questions
come
up
from
commissioners.
I
think
this
is
a
really
good.
Professor
nelson.
M
Her
network
are
a
great
resource
for
us,
so
please
capture
and
share
those
questions
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
you
have
the
information
you
want
to
start
to
to
get
into
the
discussion
so
fresh
nelson.
Thank
you.
So
much.
M
And
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
to
chair
ferrer
to
move
us
forward
in
our
agenda.
B
So,
thank
you
and
thanks
to
all
your
questions
and
again,
professor
johnson's
been
very
gracious
and
generous
with
her
time
and
resources,
so
I
know
that
we
will
be
able
to
continue
our
dialogue
if,
if
there
are
questions
that
you
had
or
follow
up
that,
you
think
we
should
do.
Please,
please
let
us
know
so
that
we
can
follow
up
with
her
she's.
B
Also
given
us
a
lot
of
resources
around
the
model
cities
piece
which
I
think
will
also
be
informative,
especially
when
we
get
to
the
recommendation
side
and
now
I'm
going
to
open
up
the
public
comment
for
this
item
and
I'm
going
to
ask
the
clerk
to
start
introducing
our
speakers.
Anyone
who
wants
to
address
the
commission
on
this
item,
which
is
the
study
session
on
the
different
forms
of
government.
P
Thank
you
that
was
a
that
was
a
very
interesting
conversation.
It
was
just
like
it
was
informational.
I
respect
the
questions
that
commissioner
motley
had
asked.
You
know
how
is
this
relevant
to
to
san
jose
and
I
couldn't
find
anything,
and
it
was
very
descriptive
and
informative,
but
just
not
intuitive
in
terms
of
what
it
is
that
this
body
has
been
asked
to
do
of
the
city.
P
What
I
would
like
to
say,
though,
is
that
you
can't
make
a
law
that,
in
order
to
establish
the
law
illegal
means
was
was
was
was
had
in
order
to
establish
the
law
now
in
eight,
the
first
two
years
using
san
jose's
charter
as
a
reference
point
in
1850,
that
law
was
the
the
establishment
of
the
charter
was
at
the
expense
of
native
americans.
There
was
decapitations
that
went
on
here
in
san
jose.
I
have
documentations
to
support
that.
P
So
I
find
it
odd
that
we're
arguing
about
a
charter
that
was
established
in
1850
when
the
means
by
which
that
charter
was
established
was
that
savage
brutality,
and
so
I
think
I
think,
a
real
actual
history
lesson
would
be
helpful
in
this
in
in
that,
because
there's
a
there's
a
that
would
set
the
precedent,
because
you
have
the
redlining
policies
that
deprived
mexicans
chicanos
of
the
democratic
participation
in
the
democratic
process.
I
I
I
He
keeps
doubling
down
a
lot
on
a
lot
of
wrong
ideas
and
positions.
The
city
manager
he's
a
bureaucrat
or
she
could
be
he
or
she
is
a
bureaucrat
in
this
case.
It's
he
and
you
just
see
a
city
that
is
you
know,
has
has
had
a
lot
a
lot
of
riches
throughout
the
throughout
the
last
century
and
it's
completely
blown
it.
I
mean
it,
it's
embarrassing.
When
you,
you
know
people
come
out
of
town,
you
bring
them
to
downtown
san
jose,
it
looks
horrible,
suburban
sprawl.
I
We
have
a
terrible
power
grid.
You
know
the
city
mayors
throughout
the
decades
they
just
make
just
terrible
terrible
decisions.
I
don't
really
don't
know
what
the
answer
is.
There
just
needs
to
be
better
mayors,
better
city
managers,
better
city
council
people,
because
this
city
is
awful.
I
mean
it's
a
travesty.
It
looks
like
detroit
in
certain
parts
of
and
we're
in
where
what
they're
one
of
the
richest
zip
codes
in
the
world
with
silicon.
This
is
the
capital
of
the
silicon
valley.
I
mean
mayor
mchenry
built
that
convention
center.
I
They
couldn't
even
handle
a
computer
computer
convention
had
to
go
to
san
francisco
because
they
built
it
with
like
cheap
labor,
cheap
equipment,
cheap
everything,
this
city's
a
disaster-
I
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
what
would
make
it
good,
but
maybe
getting
rid
of
the
city
manager
would
be
good.
Then
we
could
really
see
how
screwed
up
sam
ricardo
really
is.
He
has
he'll,
have
no
check
or
balance
or
anything,
but
in
general,
just.
A
Hi,
my
name
is
elizabeth
camia.
I
am
the
chair
of
labor
with
the
south
bay
naacp
on
the
executive
committee.
The
naacp
disagreed
with
the
strong
mayor
in
the
summer.
We
strongly
believe
that
the
community
should
have
say
in
this
we're
glad
that
there
is
a
commission,
but
with
a
strong
mayor
you
don't
get
the
same
say
as
you
would,
with
a
community
with
their
elected
officials.
A
If
the
concern
that
was
brought
up
is
firing
and
hiring
department
heads
like
the
police,
then
we
need
to
really
look
at
our
police
chief
and
the
position,
and
maybe
that
should
be
an
elected
position.
Let's
look
at
environmental
justice
and
for
those
people
on
the
call
saying
that
san
jose
is
a
disaster.
A
I
disagree.
I
think
the
city
is
filled
with
heart.
I
feel,
like
the
city
is
filled
with
innovation
and
I
think
it's
because
people
elect
strong
council
members
to
represent
their
interests.
Most
of
the
time
these
districts
aren't
heard
and
they're
overlooked.
A
The
naacp
has
also
questioned
what
the
impact
of
the
act
to
limit
urban
sprawl
and
its
impact
on
affordable
housing
and
affordability,
and
I
want
to
touch
on
some
other
points
that
the
end
of
lace.
Cp,
has
long
suggested
that
the
independent
police
auditor
be
provided
additional
powers
such
as
power
of
subpoena
and
consideration
to
be
given
to
the
auditor
becoming
of
an
elected
position.
A
But
I
really
just
want
to
stress
that
a
council
manager
system
is
in
the
best
interest
of
the
community
and
of
the
people
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
serving
the
residents
of
san
jose
the
community
members
of
san
jose,
and
we
want
to
build
a
san
jose
for
all,
not
just
the
tourists
coming
in
for
the
big
attractions
of
downtown
a
san
jose.
That
represents
and
really
uplifts
everyone.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
yeah
take
care.
G
This
says
that
mr
klein,
his
he's
using
an
older
version
of
zoom.
He
needs
to
update
his
zoom
in
order
to
speak.
He
may
have
rest.
I
see
that
his
hand
went
down.
He
may
have
received
that
if
he
comes
back
we'll,
let
him
speak
then.
A
G
D
Hi
blair
beekman
here,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
it
was.
I
found
it
fairly,
informative.
D
D
It
was
a
very
good
experience
for
myself
and
a
really
good
track
that
that
that
I
really
like
the
meetings
of
this
week
and
last
week,
a
lot
and
yeah
I
like
the
presenters
and
and
like
what
what
you're
doing
so
far.
So
thank
you
and
keep
up
the
good
work
thanks.
A
Hi,
my
name
is
helen
casa
and
I
am
the
policy
and
advocacy
coordinator
with
the
african
american
community
service
agency,
and
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
is
that
it's
within
the
charter's.
L
A
A
G
Ema
girma.
Yes,
can
you
hear
me.
L
Yes,
good
evening,
my
name
is
yami
gurma
and
I
live
in
district
10..
Clearly
in
1985,
when
the
charter
was
last
broadly
discussed
by
the
commission,
this
community
was
a
much
different
place.
It
is
vital
that
the
charter
review
commission
broadly
and
look
at
all
the
area
of
the
chapter
of
the
charter.
The
naacp
has
long
suggested
that
the
independent
police
auditor
be
provided
additional
power,
such
as
the
power
of
subpoena,
and
that
consideration
be
given
to
the
auditor
becoming
an
elected
position.
L
The
naacp
has
also
questioned
the
impact
of
the
act
to
limit
urban
sprawl
and
its
effects
on
affordable
housing
and
affordability.
It
sprawl
a
long-standing
institutional
effort
to
keep
affordable
housing
and
people
of
color
out.
Let's
look
at
the
environmental
justice
versus
the
long-standing
excuses
about
protecting
the
environment
on
the
backs
of
those
on
the
lower
right
of
the
socioeconomic
ladder.
The
community
should
also
have
more
stay
in
the
selection
of
the
police
chief.
L
E
Good
evening,
everybody
alina
so
as
a
san
jose
resident,
I
would
like
the
commission
to
add
to
their
scope
of
work
and
an
investigation
to
determine
all
the
ways.
The
charter,
as
it
exists
now
gets
into
the
way
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
investigate
ways.
It
can
be
updated
to
promote
equity,
because
promoting
equity
through
this
process
is
in
the
direction
that
council
gave
to
this
commission.
So
it's
not
mission
creep
and
adding
to
helen's
comment.
E
I
agree
that
the
commission
should
also
be
prioritizing
the
process
of
civic
engagement,
as
this
has
been
an
ongoing
discussion
since
day,
one
that
I
know
all
commissioners
have
feel
feel
also
similarly
and
have
shared
their
concerns
about
the
process
of
civic
participation
and
community
engagement
in
this
process.
Thank
you.
E
E
I
am
having
some
computer
problems.
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
I
thought
the
professor
was
excellent.
I
thought
her
reviews
and
she's
extremely
well
qualified.
I
thought
some
of
the
comments
were
not
very
applicable
to
san
jose
per
se,
especially
the
comments
about
redistricting.
It
doesn't
really
matter
because
it's
up
to
the
people
etc.
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
odd.
E
I
thought
a
lot
her
data,
which
I
can't
see
originally,
but
I
really
would
want
to
focus
on
large
cities
over
a
million
people
and
I
think
anything
below
four
or
five
hundred
thousand
residents,
including,
like
sacramento,
even
doesn't
apply
to
san
jose
when
you're
representing
a
hundred
thousand
people
as
a
city
council
person,
that's
dramatically
different
than
representing
ten
thousand.
As
a
former
mayor
or
small
city,
I
really
like
the
city
council,
former
government.
E
I
start
not
liking
it
in
very
large
cities
over
a
million
people,
then
you
get
a
situation
where
a
city
council
person
representing
100
000
people
almost
is
like
a
congressperson
and
they
have
professional
staff.
Professional
offices
budget
that
doesn't
exist
in
any
other
14
cities
of
santa
clara
county.
So
when
you're
talking
about
these
issues,
it's
really
important
to
talk
about
large
cities,
not
smaller
cities,
and
when
you
put
in
the
small
cities
and
statistics
it
warps
out
everything
everything
becomes
suspect
because
it
really
becomes
a
apples
and
orange
situation.
E
P
P
C
Want
to
add
my
two
cents
about.
A
A
I
A
A
Thank
you.
This
is
shiloh
ballard
speaking
on
behalf
of
myself,
and
I
wanted
to
echo
the
comments
of
a
couple
folks
before
me.
A
I
was
planning
on
speaking
on
the
next
agenda
item,
but
I
think
it
also
fits
here,
and
those
comments
have
to
do
with
the
scope
of
the
commission
and
making
sure
that
the
commission
is
looking
at
centering
equity
in
how
we
govern
this
city,
and
I'm
really
excited
at
the
prospect
of
being
able
to
do
a
lot
of
deep
self
self-reflection
and
really
use
this
conversation
to
make
sure
that
issues
around
racism.
A
Sexism
are
addressed
through
how
the
city
is
governed.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
all
for
doing
this
work.
It's
really
fun
to
listen
in
and
hear
just
interesting
topics
discussed
thanks.
G
Yeah
we
have
several
so
the
next
three
are
walter.
Hudson,
gabriella,
gupta
and
jeffrey
buchanan.
First
up
is
walter.
Hudson
thank.
E
You
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
enjoyed
the
presentation,
but
as
with
most
academics,
it
was
broad
strokes
and
you,
as
the
charter
are
going
to
have
to
find
the
the
willing
canvas
on
which
to
paint
a
new
picture.
A
Hi
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
gabriela
garcon
gupta,
my
pronouns
are
she
hers
and
I
am
a
san
jose
resident,
I'm
calling
in
and
just
adding
on
to
the
comments
from
my
previous
commenters,
I'm
urging
for
a
continued
focus
on
accountability
and
outreach
to
all
of
our
san
jose
residents.
City
politics
first
and
foremost
are
about
involving
our
city
of
residence,
and
that
means
we
can
say
equity,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
putting
it
into
practice
and
that
means
making
sure
that
our
politics
are
accessible
for.
A
E
Good
evening,
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
jeffrey
buchanan
policy,
director
working
partnerships,
usa,
as
many
of
the
other
speakers
tonight
have
have
said.
Certainly
the
the
work
of
this
commission.
You
have
important
work
ahead
of
you
in
in
looking
at
the
the
questions
of
structure,
certainly
the
questions
of
when
we
move
our
mayoral
date,
though,
we've
discussed
it
less
in
in
the
last
couple
of
public
commission
hearings.
There's
a
one
reaffirm,
there's
just
widespread
public
support.
E
The
polling
data
is
is
is
pretty
clear
on
on
the
community's
support
for
moving
that
mayweal
election
to
presidential
years
and
in
terms
of
representation.
E
E
I
would
know
that
that's
on
the
upcoming
upcoming
agendas,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we,
the
the
commission,
doesn't
lose
focus
on
that
very
important
issue
other
than
that
would
echo
other
speakers
around
the
the
work
plan,
ensuring
that
we're
leaving
space
for
interrogating
additional
parts
of
the
charter
and
what
we
can
do
to
improve
accountability,
particularly
on
on
issues
of
racial
and
economic
justice.
E
How
are
we
ensuring
that
this
most
important
document
is,
as
inclusive
of
you
know,
the
totality
of
the
city
of
san
jose
that
we're
ensuring
that
community
members
have
voice
that
we
have
accountability
across
all
these
different
areas
of
policy
that
the
charter
currently
touches
or
or
could
potentially
touch?
You
know
based
on
what
we're
seeing
in
best
practices
from
other
jurisdictions
thanks
so
much.
B
Thank
you
all
right
so
now
I
want
to
just
for
the
public's
view,
just
reminder
that
these
are
study
sessions,
so
we're
this.
B
The
commission
is
studying
we're
looking
at
questions,
doesn't
conclude
anything
but
just
gives
us
the
expertise
of
a
a
national
expert
researcher
to
be
able
to
help
us
start
to
continue
to
think
and
move
through
these
questions,
I
want
to
move
us
now
to
our
old
business,
which
is
a
review
first
of
all
of
the
schedule,
an
update
on
the
budget
proposal
and
the
budget
proposal
that
tony
has
presented
to
us.
M
Sure
let
me
share
my
screen
and
just
point
out
the
revisions
we
made
to
the
work
plan
based
on
the
recommendations
or
requests
from
commissioners
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago.
M
So
what
we
did
was
we
are
here
march,
22nd
review
the
nuance
between
council
manager
and
mayor
council
forms
of
government
and
research
on
effectiveness
april
5th.
We
wanted
to
dive
into
san
jose's
current
system
of
governance,
and
we
have
former
city
manager,
deborah
fagoni
and
former
mayor
ron,
gonzalez
queued
up
for
that
right
now
and
then
we
on
the
suggestion
of
at
least
one
commissioner,
was
to
we
just
heard
about
the
comments
from
the
public.
M
We
haven't
talked
about
the
the
role
of
districts
and
timing
for
district
elections,
so
we
wanted
to
move
that
up
to
april
19th
and
if
we
can
cover
that
and
start
to
get
into
some
specifics
of
comparative
cities
across
the
country,
we'll
do
that
still
working
on
guests.
For
that
this
is
all
subject
and
revisions.
M
You
all
have
about
our
study
session
schedule,
which
I
imagine
we'll
get
into
shortly
here
and
then
a
session
on
power
and
accountability,
metrics
and
mechanism
for
various
governance
roles
and
to
reflect
the
desire
of
commissioners
to
at
least
keep
moving
through
the
memorial
day
break.
We
did
con.
M
We
did
propose
a
public
hearing
sometime
between
the
may
17th
and
the
june
14th
meeting
which,
during
which
the
may
17th
meeting,
we
thought
that
the
commission
could
prepare
some
of
the
questions
that
they
had
for
the
public
and
start
to
get
into
the
discussion
of
the
additional
measures
for
consideration.
M
What
that
might
look
like
as
far
as
the
the
third
bucket
we've
been
talking
about,
or
that
bullet
point
five
and
the
directive
for
the
resolution,
creating
the
the
charter
review.
Commission,
the
rest
of
this
structure
is
pretty
much
the
same.
Just
move
down
further
you'll
see
we're
getting
further
and
further
down
the
the
the
calendar
year.
M
I
do
want
to
remind
commissioners
that
you
are
tasked
with
preparing
a
a
report
for
counsel
by
a
date
in
december,
which
escapes
here
right
now,
so
we
have
a
little
wiggle
room,
but
we
are
starting
to
get
as
we
move
forward.
You
know
we're
starting
to
to
recognize
the
the
time
constraints
that
have
been
placed
on
this
commission.
M
So
that's
just
what
I
wanted
to
to
point
out
explicitly
for
you
all.
As
far
as
what's
been
revised-
and
this
is
a
living
document-
we
will
continue
to
revise
this
based
on
the
direction
of
of
commissioners.
As
far
as
study
sessions,
you'd
like
what
public
hearings
you'd
like
and
then
how
to
get
into
the
actual
discussions
reminder
that
we
are
also
still
in
the
study
session
phase.
M
So
if
there
are,
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
important
moment
for
us
to
to
really
identify
other
topics
that
we
want
to
schedule
and
get
on
the
calendar
so
that
we
can
move
into
the
to
the
discussion
on
phase
two
and
and
not
spinner
wheels
too
much.
B
Thank
you,
as
I
said
before,
this
is
a
working
document
that
we'll
continue
to
revise
and
and
to
continue
to
edit.
At
this
time,
I'm
going
to
ask
our
clerk
tony
to
speak
to
the
supplemental
budget
request
memo
that
she
presented.
B
B
So
if
tony,
if
you
want
to
talk
about
the
memo
that
you
prepared
for
us.
G
Yeah
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
a
letter
advocating
one
way
or
the
other,
it's
just
sort
of
statement
of
facts,
because
I
don't
have
it's
hard
to
do
research
exactly
because
usually
we
we
go
out
for
things,
but
I
looked
at
the
I'll,
explain
how
I
came
by
the
numbers
so
for
outside
counsel.
G
Typically,
we
would
need
to
rfp
that
out.
We
can't
just
go
out
and
hire
outside
counsel.
We
do
have
an
agreement
with
a
firm
hanson
bridget
for
our
board
affair
campaign
and
political
practices.
So
I
pulled
their
contract
since
they're
supporting
a
commission,
it's
250
000
for
a
four-year
agreement.
G
Their
previous
contract
was
also
it
was
a
one-year
agreement
with
with
three
additional
options
and
that
one
said
the
first
year
should
not
exceed
sixty
thousand,
so
sixty
thousand
could
be
reasonable
for
an
outside
council
for
a
year.
That
was
a
few
years
ago,
though,
so
I
don't
know
how
prices
have
changed
and
then
for
an
analyst.
If
you
wanted
to
do
a
research
analyst,
I
got
numbers
from
my
budget
staff
in
my
office
for
a
pro-rated
analyst
for
the
rest
of
the
year
is
137
840.
G
that
includes
base
salary
at
71.
000
plus
benefits
translation.
I
I
just
gave
you
like.
The
translation
for
one
agenda
would
be
1
575.
If
it's
the
same
as
the
previous
agenda,
I
used
march
8th
as
the
example
that
was
10
501
words
at
15
cents.
A
word,
that's
how
I
came
by
the
calculation.
However,
we
also
have
time
if
we
were
to
do
translations
for
all
agendas.
Just
know
that
we
we
would
be
post.
G
We
would
have
to
create
our
agenda
three
weeks
before
the
meeting
date,
so
you
would
not
be
able
to
move
quickly
on.
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
change
agendas.
The
way
we
do
now
we'd
have
to
have
it
all
set
three
weeks
ahead
for
interpretation
services,
a
three-hour
meeting
with
spanish
and
vietnamese
interpretation
would
be
approximately
1400
and
ten
dollars
per
meeting.
If
your
meetings
are
shorter,
that
would
be
less
if
they're
longer.
That
would
be
more.
I
just
did
a
basic
six
pm
to
nine
pm
and
then
grassroots
organization.
G
This
one
was
really
tricky.
I
didn't
know
how
to
I
didn't
know
how
to
give
you
a
budget
number.
So
I
looked
through
our
agreements
that
we
had
on
our
giles
contract
database
on
our
website
and
the
the
closest
type
of
agreement
I
found
was
a
grant.
We
do
to
the
silicon
valley
community
foundation
and
then
they
do
grants
to
grassroots
organizations
specifically
for
voter
turnout,
low
low
turnout,
voter
precincts
and
that's
374
000..
I
don't
know
how
much
you
would
need
for
you
know.
G
And
so
what
I
would
need
from
you
guys
today
is
sort
of
to
to
let
me
and
fred
know
if
you
have
something
specific
like.
If
you
want
to
say
we
want
to
request
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
grassroots
organizations.
We
want
to
request
this.
We
want
to
request
that
so
and
then
authorize
him
to
work
with
me
to
draft
a
letter
that
we
would
then
take
to
rules.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
tony.
The
rfp
for
outside
counsel.
Some
of
us
were
electeds
now
or
formerly
know
how
long
that
could
possibly
take.
What
is
the
shortest
you've
ever
seen,
an
rfp
go
out,
come
back
and
then
hire
somebody.
G
I
think
the
one
we
did
with
lawrence
the
shortest
one
I've
ever
seen.
I
think
that
was
a
two-month
process
that
was,
that
was
actually
really
fast.
Yeah.
J
Does
the
count?
Does
the
count
city
attorney's
office
not
have
some
people
outside
counsel
on
some
sort
of
retainer,
or
that
we
could
look
at
look
at
them
to
see
or
are
they
all
litigators.
G
E
Yes,
we
do
have
a
outside
camp
council
for
particular
matters
to
advise
the
city
attorney's
office
on
the
hanson
bridgette
contract
is
one
that
the
city
attorney's
office
manages,
but
that
one
was
procured
through
an
rfp,
because
there
were
particular
parameters
that
was
desired
about
the
the
outside
council
and
I'd
have
to
look
to
see
the
law
firms
that
we
serve,
but
hanson
bridget
filled
the
role
because
they
were
outside
of
the
of
the
area
they
didn't
have.
They
didn't
represent
any
of
the
city
council
members
and
things
like
that.
E
J
So
we're
looking
at
a
at
a
if
we,
if
we
crush
our
fingers
in
our
toes
two
months
or
way
longer
because
we
have
to
go
through
the
rfp
process,
the
higher
outside
counsel.
J
Yes,
okay,
I
think
we
need
to
understand
the
thought
process
towards
wanting
outside
counsel.
The
memo
says
that
the
the
commentators
suggested
it,
but
I
only
heard
bob
brownstein
suggested
I
could
have.
I
could
be
mistaken,
but
you
know
I'd
hate
to
see
us
run
an
rfp
and
it
take
four
or
five
months,
and
you
know
it
defeats
the
purpose
of
what
we're
attempting
to
accomplish.
So
I
think
we
need
to
understand
why
why
we
why
we
need
outside
counsel,
I'm
not
I'm
not
opposed
to
it.
E
Yeah
aside
from
just
the
rfp
process
itself,
which
I'm
hearing
would
take
at
best
two
months,
what
about
the
budget
process
itself
in
terms
of
going
to
the
council?
How
much
time
would
that
take.
G
That
would
that
would
take
a
few
weeks.
I
mean
once
fred
and
I
get
the
the
letter
written
signed.
It
goes
to
rules,
then
it
would
need
to
go
and
get
agendized
for
council
so
that
that's
like
minimum
three
weeks
to
go
to
council
and-
and
it
may
not
even
go
to
council
if
it
goes
to
rules,
rules
could
choose
to
move
it
on
to
council.
They
could
choose
not
to.
E
And
if
they
choose
not
to
obviously
we
didn't,
then
the
option
of
retaining
outside
council
is
closed
anyway
right.
What
about
the
rfp
to
do
just
outreach?
How
long
would
positive
state.
G
That
one
I
haven't
done
that
I
need
to
work
the
city
manager's
office
because
they're
the
ones
that
did
that
voter
outreach-
one,
that's
not
coming
from
my
office.
I
think
that's
that's
different
and
it
depends
on
the
dollar
amounts.
G
M
And
I
just
want
to
offer
a
point
of
clarification.
We
actually
were
brought
on
not
through
a
full
rfp
process
but
part
of
a
qualified
vendor
pool.
So
so
there
are
qualified
vendor
pools
that
include,
you
know,
outreach
and
engagement.
So
there
are
some
options
there
that
I
think
could
be
a
lot
looked
into,
but
thank
you
and.
E
Oh,
do
we
know
if
we
have
any,
you
know
trustworthy
or
just
I
guess,
long-standing
outreach
organizations
that
are
on
the
qualified
render
list.
G
L
Hey
what
what
specific
questions
will
the
attorneys
be
answering?
What
will
their
role
be.
B
I
think
the
idea
that
originally
was
that,
if
we're
going
to
draft
language
for
alternatives
in
the
report,
recommendations
that
you
would
be
using
outside
counsel
to
draft
those
recommendations,
so
we
may
say
yeah.
We
really
like
this
idea.
We
really
want
to
see
what
would
the
language
look
like?
I
think
that's
the
reason
for
the
outside
council.
I
think
that's
the
reason,
whatever
we
feel
about
that.
L
And
is
that
something
that
the
the
city
attorney
mark
vanni
is
not
comfortable
doing.
E
E
I'm
not
aware
there's
nothing
yet
that's
been
discussed
that
creates
any
conflicts
for
me
or
for
my
office,
so
I
you
know,
I'm
comfortable
doing
that.
You
know
time
permitting
as
well,
but
but
I
I
am
familiar
with
that
process
and
was
involved
last
summer
when
this
issue
came
before
the
council.
C
Yeah
just
had
some
ways
to
look
at
this,
and
hopefully
some
solutions.
I
know
there's
also
a
draft
letter
which
doesn't
talk
to
budgetary
terms.
I
think
if
we
start
recommending
the
council
how
much
we
should
have
per
each
pot,
I'm
not
sure
that's
a
winning
way
to
approach
this
versus
talking
about
the
outcomes
that
we
like
to
see.
So
looking
at
the
outside
counsel,
I've
been
from
what
I've
seen
it
sounds
like
we
have
outside
counsel
and
specifically
hanson
bridget
already
under
retainer
and
under
a
contract.
E
Well,
I
have
to
check
to
see
if
that
contract
is
something
that
council
approves,
but
you
know
we
have
to
see
if
hanson
bridget
one
would
be
willing
to
do
that
work.
The
attorney
that
does
the
work
for
the
board
of
fair
campaign
and
political
practices.
E
That's
it's
just
one
person
in
that
in
that
office,
so
we'd
have
to
see
if
one
he
was
comfortable
with
taking
on
that
role
or
if
hanson
bridget
was
able
to
do
it
and
then
two,
whether
or
not
hanson
bridget,
is
the
law
firm
that
either
the
council
would
select
my
office
would
select
or
or
would
serve
the
needs
of
this
particular
commission.
E
But
it
is
something
that
that
is
possible
if,
if
all
parties
were
interested
in
pursuing
it-
and
there
was-
and
there
was
money
allocated
as
well
because
from
a
budgetary
standpoint
that
250
000
is-
is
for
the
board
of
fair
campaign
and
political
practices,
so
it
would
have
to
be
reallocated
accordingly
and
the
municipal
code
does
require
that
the
board
affair
campaign
and
political
practices
have
a
independent
evaluator
that
is
funded
for
a
four
year
period.
E
Yeah
I
can,
I
can
get
back
to
you
and
find
out.
If
we
have,
I,
you
know,
we
have
outside
counsel,
for
particular
legal
matters
or
issues
that
come
up
whether
there
maybe
is
a
conflict
with
my
office
or
it's
a
subject
matter
that
is
better
suited
for
outside
counsel.
So
I
can
check
to
see
if
there
was
somebody
that
we
use
or
have
a
pool
that
would
be
suitable
for
this
kind
of
purpose.
C
Okay,
because
I
think
we
could
probably
avoid
the
rfp
route
and
be
and
move
quick,
and
I
do
agree
that
time
is
of
the
essence.
I
saw
that
this
from
the
clerk's
office.
I
saw
she
put
in
a
research
analyst
position
versus
looking
for
a
consulting
firm,
and
I
was
going
back
to
the
draft
letter
that
I
saw,
and
it
referred
to
hiring
a
consultant
or
consultant
to
provide
the
analysis
and
research.
G
I
I
just
look
at
it.
Typically,
we
don't
hire
consultants
to
do
work
that
can
be
done
by
a
an
employee.
It's
a
city
policy
so
like
megan,
is
a
city
employee,
she's,
hired
for
a
year
to
support
you
as
a
city
employee
in
a
city
employees
position,
because
it's
the
type
of
work,
a
typical
city
employee
would
do.
We
couldn't
hire
a
consultant
because
our
city
policy
doesn't
allow
that.
G
So
if
it's
like,
what
lawrence
is
doing
is
not
something
a
typical
city,
employee
would
do
a
neutral
party
to
facilitate
a
meeting
to
make
sure
there's
no
conflict
of
interest
that
that
made
sense
to
go
with
the
consultant.
So
this
is
me
following
our
typical
city
policy.
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
I
think,
oh
a
consultant
could
just
come
on
and
my
my
budget
people
are
like
nope
can't
do
it
with
a
a
but
a
consultant.
It's
got
to
be
done
by
city
employee,
because
that's
typical
city
employee
work.
G
We
can
use
temp
agencies
for
a
temporary
position,
but
typically
it's
just
not
city
policy.
C
G
C
And
then
the
final
portion
was
against
the
grassroots
organizations.
I
heard
you
say
that
you
didn't
know
how
the
silicon
valley
community
foundation
was
brought
on
forward
for
that
374.
C
Yeah,
so
so
I
would
hope
that
maybe
that
same
process
could
be
utilized
and
then
maybe
the
silicon
valley
foundation
could
quickly
bring
folks
on
board
and
other
organizations
to
do
the
community
outreach
strategic
strategies
that
were
similar
to
the
vote
precincts.
I
hope
that
mr
chairman,
we
get
to.
C
I
don't
know
when
at
what
point
you're
going
to
look
to
entertain
a
motion,
but
but
I
do
like
the
memo
that
was
written
and
that,
hopefully,
maybe
we
can
use
that
as
a
start
versus
going
down
the
rabbit
hole
of
how
much
should
be
allocated
to
everything.
I
would
prefer
that
council
and
professional
staff
say
here's
what
we
can
do
and
then
figure
out
a
way
to
be
able
to
make
this
commission
successful
by
helping
us
to
achieve
these
outcomes.
B
G
Purpose
of
the
commission-
and
you
know.
L
It's
important
that
we
be
equitable
and
inclusive
and
I
just
don't
see
how
we
can
be
either
of
those
things:
absent
translation,
appropriate
translation.
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
in
response
to
what
the
chair
was
saying
earlier,
if
it's
the
intent
or
the
hope
to
get
outside
counsel,
for
what
was
it
legislative
drafting,
I
think
you
know
our
city
attorney's
office
is
more
than
capable
of
that.
Even
council
members
don't
submit.
E
You
know
draft
legislation,
you
just
vote,
and
you
say
this
is
the
big
idea
and
then
the
city
attorney's
office
figures
out
the
legality
of
it
all
and
what
the
wording
should
be
and
then
there's
you
know
second
reading
and
all
that,
so
I've
never
seen
it
where
a
commission
or
even
a
council
member
gives
precise
language
for
adoption,
because
there
are
other
moving
pieces
here,
whatever
they
that
may
be,
and
so
so
maybe
that's
a
way
to
cut
costs
and
it
may
be
unnecessary.
But
I
just
offered
that
insight.
H
Thank
you,
the
dangers
of
double
mute
regarding
the
timeline
for
outside
counsel.
It
sounds
like
we
have
a
number
of
options
to
explore.
H
Also,
you
know
noting
that
the
drafting
itself
will
likely
take
place
a
little
farther
down
the
road
than
the
outreach
it
seems
like
that
indicates
that
we
shouldn't
foreclose
this
purely
on
the
basis
of
the
timing
issues,
but
should
you
know,
of
course,
try
to
move
expediently
on
this
front?
While
not
saying?
H
Oh,
you
know
we
don't
have
the
time,
but
I
think
it
is
also
important
to
answer
the
question
of
substance
of
why
he
why
we
would
what
the
benefit
would
be
potentially
of
having
outside
counsel,
noting
that
the
1985
commission
did
make
it
a
priority
and
that
some
of
the
documents
posted
on
our
research
site,
including
the
manual
on
how
to
run
charter
review
commissions,
notes
that
outside
counsel
is
pretty
much
a
non-negotiable.
H
But
I
I
do
believe
I
know
mr
brownstein
has
been
a
regular
fan
of
ours.
Even
when
he's
not
a
guest
speaker,
I'm
wondering,
if
he's
here
tonight
and
able
to
expand
upon
the
comments
that
he
made
at
our
last
meeting
about
what
we
should
take
into
consideration
about
the
potential
value
of
outside
counsel.
B
I'm
not
gonna
go
back
to
public.
I
think
I
think
his
his
his
notes
are
in
the
minutes
as
well.
Is
there
any
other,
commissioner,
that
wants
to
speak
to
this
issue
before
we
open
up
promotions?
It
hasn't
got
a
chance
to
speak.
Am
I
missing
anyone.
M
P
L
C
I
believe
that
was
the
indication
when
I
made
the
motion
is
to
do
research
similar
to
what
came
from
the
professor,
which
provided
us
a
variety
of
research.
I
think
if
we
need
someone
to
be
able
to
dig
up
information
and
provide
it
back,
we
do
need
a
researcher
that
reports
to
us.
L
Commissioner
calendar:
do
you
feel
that
each
of
us
should
be
actually
reading
the
articles
rather
than
relying
on
somebody
else
to
tell
us
what
they
say.
C
Through
the
chair,
this
isn't
really.
I
I've
read
through
the
entire
charter.
If
you
listen
to
what
the
the
professor
said,
the
professor
brought
in
a
variety
of
information
from
outside
of
the
city
of
this
institution.
C
They
brought
in
from
different
cities
from
different
information
that
would
require
everyone
on
this
to
be
researchers-
and
I
don't
know
about
you,
but
we're
all
volunteers
here,
and
so,
if
there's
a
variety
of
information
that
we
need,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
adequate
support
to
do
it.
I
wouldn't
want
to
drop
that
on
the
chair
on
the
clerk's
office
or
the
attorney's
office.
We
don't
have
adequate
support
to
do
those
kind
of
things.
O
Yeah
well
to
kind
of
follow
up
on
that,
but
I
do
I
do
have
another
question:
would
the
what
are
the
san
jose
state
college
students
that
are
supporting
us
be
able
to
some
sort
of
do
do
some
of
that
research?
I
think
I
think
tony
suggested
that
a
couple
meetings
ago.
G
I
actually
I
wasn't,
I
wasn't
going
to
to
mention
it
at
this
meeting
yet
because
I
don't
have
anything
firm.
I
am
meeting
with
some
grad
students
and
a
professor
this
week
to
see
if
we
can
create
like
a
graduate
paper
project
for
that
they'll
get.
You
know
a
grade
on
and
then
they
can
work
with
us
to
to
do
this
research
paper,
for
you
guys,
I'm
meeting
with
them
this
week.
We
there's
this.
G
Professor,
has
three
people
three
grad
students
that
he
thinks
one
he
says
would
be
a
perfect
fit
for
us,
but
he's
got
a
couple
others,
but
we
wanted
to
kind
of
talk
it
through
this
week.
That's
why
I
didn't
bring
it
up
to
you
guys
yet
because
we're
still
we're.
I
just
talked
to
the
professor
today
about
setting
up
something
for
later
this
week.
O
Okay,
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
the
discussion,
but
it
does
give
us
some
insight
in
an
option.
I
don't
know
how
that
fits
into
the
motion.
Is
this
a
good
time
to
talk
about
the
calendar,
because
I
was
curious
about
where
would
the
presidential
cycle
in
terms
of
the
mayor's
electing
election
cycle
would
would
show
up?
I
didn't
see
it
in
the
in
the
review:
okay,
yeah.
M
Yeah,
that's
a
great
point
and
I
think
I
meant
to
include
that
in
april
19th,
so
that
there
would
be
that
that
the
role
of
districts
and
and
timing
together,
but
yeah
that
that
is
yep.
We
need
to
fit
that
in.
M
So
let
me
let
me
like
I
said
this
is
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
moving
target,
given
the
request
from
you
all
so
trying
to
make
revise
this
week
over
week
and
then
schedule
the
right
speakers
and
and
get
you
the
right
information.
So
I
I'm
doing
my
best
on
the
back
end
to
get
people
aligned
with
the
the
interests
of
of
of
your
of
the
study
topics.
M
But
so
we
might
need
to
expand
this
calendar
just
a
little
bit
to
to
have
time
for
the
that
discussion
on
election
timing.
But
thank
you
for
for
that
note
and
I'll
I'll
revise
accordingly.
Commissioner,.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
I
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
the
the
last
point
on
on
the
on
the
calendar
on
the
elections
the
I
was
going
to
mention
this
earlier,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
that
the
the
the
discussion
around
the
mayoral
powers
versus
council
really
needs
to
be
discussed.
K
While
I
would
propose,
while
we're
talking
about
election
timing
because
of
the
two
are
connected
depending
on
how
many
people
participate
in
the
elections,
can
have
a
really
important
impact
on
people's
perceptions
of
accountability
and
the
different
sort
of
incentives
that
a
mayor
would
have
and
how
much
how
that
power
is
is,
is
used
depending
on
who
elects
them.
So
I
think
that
really
needs
to
be
moved
up
in
part
of
the
the
study
phase
and
yes,.
K
Right
well
either
that
april
19th
or
may
3rd
in
terms
of
power
and
accountability.
Yeah
like
that
is
very
much
going
to
be.
Those
two
issues
are
which
should
be
very
connected
to
participation
in
elections
and
the
the
breadth
of
participation
and
who
participates.
So
I
think,
though,
that
I
think
in
this
draft
lawrence,
I
think
you
have
the
election
timing
in
july
sometime,
but
that
I
think
that
really
needs
to
be
moved
up.
M
K
M
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
It's
that
clarification,
yeah
thanks.
B
Yep
all
right,
I
am
ready
for
a
motion
and
I'm
going
to.
C
G
Sometimes
the
you
know
we're
inconsistent
in
the
city.
Sometimes
they
do
it
before
emotion
is
made.
Sometimes
they
wait
until
after
the
motions,
so
the
public
knows
what
the
mission
is
and
they
know
what
they
want
to
comment
on.
So
it's
really
up
to
you.
That's.
B
What
I
was
looking
for
so,
commissioner
keller,
do
you
want
to
make
a
motion?
Because
if
we
can
bring
emotion
to
the
public,
then
they
have
a
reason
to
comment
beyond
the
calendar.
C
B
Commissioner,
thank
you.
I
guess
I
have
two
clarifying
questions
to
the
maker
of
the
motion.
Do
you
give
the
chair
the
authorization
to
submit
the
letter?
First
of
all,
we
want
that
in
the
motion
itself,
but
the
second
question
I
have
really
is
about:
do
you
want
a
amount
of
money
in
there?
Are
you
asking
the
chair
with
the
clerk
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
an
estimate
for
the
letter
itself?
The
rules
committee
is
going
to
want
to
know
amount.
C
I
had
not
wanted
to
think
about
the
numbers
because,
as
you
heard,
we
have
no
idea
how
the
council
component
is
going
to
work
out.
I
think
that
we're
still
at
a
loss
and
need
research.
The
last
component,
as
it
dealt
with
the
silicon
valley
community
foundation.
I
don't
think
we
had
answers
clearly
there.
Nor
will
we
understand
the
costs
and
then,
if
it
has
to
be
a
temporary
versus
a
consultant,
I
think
we
are
a
employee.
I
think
we
don't
even
have
the
answers
there
for
that.
C
The
cost
of
translation
is
the
only
thing
that
I
think
that
we
have
a
clear
understanding
of
and
what
the
costs
are
associated
with
that.
So
so
I'm
not
prepared
to
say
that
we
add
an
x
amount
to
each
of
the
components
and
the
but
I'll
I'll.
Look
to
how
you
may
want
to
handle
this,
and
maybe
this
maybe
that's
something
we
want
to
take
on
secondarily,
is
after
you've
been
able
to
research
these
and
more
adequately
be
able
to
pull
together
what
the
amounts
may
be.
B
Appreciate
this
clarity,
commissioner
marshman
I'm
mute.
F
I
I
would
say
we
should
get
our
own
clarity
on
whether
we
need
outside
counsel
and
some
other
things
before
we
go
to
the
council,
to
the
city
council
and
ask
for
money,
because
they're
going
to
be
disinclined
to
approve
a
huge
amount
and
if
we
can
trim
what
we're
asking
for
we'd,
probably
have
a
better
chance.
Correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
linda
lon,.
H
Thank
you
so,
listening
to
commissioner
marshman
and
commissioner
calendar,
I
let
me
see
I
I
want
to
try
to
encapsulate
what
commissioner
condo
was
saying,
potentially
as
a
friendly
amendment,
although
I'm
interested
in
hearing
whether
he
and
secondary
would
like
to
take
it
as
a
separate
motion
to
request
further
research
from
the
staff
on
the
budget
amount,
I
do
think
for
purposes
of
timeliness.
H
We
kind
of
we
need
to
move
processes
in
parallel
so
that
we
need
to
because
there
I
believe
there
is
no
rules
meeting
next
week
due
to
the
cesar
chavez
holiday
and
so
for
purpose
of
time.
Instead,
we
move
this
towards
the
the
april
7th
rules
meeting
while
the
same
time
working
through
some
of
the
very
important
details
that
we've
begun
to
discuss
here
as
a
commission.
H
So
for
that
reason
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
the
motion
to
adopt
this
letter
and
would
say
let
us
also
request
for
the
staff
to
bring
back
some
research
kind
of
building
on
what
the
clerk
has
begun
to
provide
for
us.
So
what
are
the
options
for
us
to
to
be
able
to
get
outside
counsel?
H
Also,
you
know
essentially,
what
what
are
the
low
and
high
end
of
what
we
could
be
getting
for
certain
dollar
amounts,
so
on
the
front
of
outside
council.
You
know
what
what
could
we?
What
would
a
scope
look
like
for
within
the
50
to
100k
range
right?
What
will
we
get
on
each
end
of
that?
Similarly,
for
for
research?
Well,
let
me
come
back
to
research
in
a
moment
for,
for
community
outreach,
what
would
get
on?
Maybe
the
100
to
150
range.
H
What
kind
of
scope
would
be
would
be
available
to
us
so
sorry
putting
this
together
as
I'm
as
I'm
figuring
it
out,
because
it's
a
complex
thing
we're
trying
to
do.
I
think
what
we're
hoping
to
hear
back
from
staff
is
is
both
what
scope
is
possible
for
those
low
and
high
end
dollar
amounts,
and
I
would
I
would
put
research
also
in
the
50
to
100
000
and
then
there's
a
dollar
amount
and
then
sort
of
procedurally.
H
How
can
we
both
get
sort
of
the
the
highest
quality
services,
because
I
think
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
the
importance
of
the
mission
and
and
what
we're
trying
to
carry
out
here
so
procedurally,
how
can
we
get
the
highest
quality
services
in
an
efficient
and
expedient
way
and
there's
a
full
conversation
that
we
started
to
have
outside
council
we've
touched
upon
this
with
research
right.
What
are
the
options
there,
as
well
as
for
for
the
community
outreach?
H
You
know,
I
liked
the
point
that
somebody
made
about
continuing
to
work
with
the
community
foundation,
as
as
one
possibility
and
and
to
commissioner
marshman's
point
about
getting
clarity
on
whether
we
need
outside
counsel
clearly
of
the
opinion
that
we
do.
H
But
again,
I
I
think
it's
important
that
we
be
moving
things
in
parallel,
because
we
are
going
to
have
the
opportunity
if
we
want
to
change
a
proposal
before
if
we
have
a
meeting
before
rules
and
then
we'll
probably
have
another
meeting
potentially
before
it
gets
to
council,
we
don't
have
the
time
to
do
it.
In
sequence,.
J
Thank
you
that
couldn't
unmute
me
so
lana
or
tony
can
chime
in
or
correct
me.
But
if
this
letter
goes
to
the
mayor
and
then
it's
sent
to
rules,
the
first
thing
he's
going
to
do
is:
what's
in
the
second
to
last
paragraph,
which
says
we
request
the
city
council
staff
provide
the
estimated
cost
to
accomplish
our
request.
J
So
you
know
that's
the
first
thing
they
they're
going
to
want
to
know.
I
don't
think
it
has
anything
to
do
with
us
other
than
do
we
or
do
we
not
want
outside
counsel
and
do
we
want
10
outside
people,
but
this
letter
is
pretty
clear
about
what
we're
asking
of
the
council,
and
I
think
that
you
know
that's
that's
something.
J
That's
going
to
have
to
be
be
determined
with
regard
to
the
costs
and
the
high
and
the
low,
and
you
know,
etcetera,
etcetera,
and
maybe
you
know
the
mayor
can
work
with
our
chair
to
get
a
sense
of
you
know
what
what
it
is
we're
looking
for.
So
we
can
have
some
some
cost
estimates
that
go
to
rules
and
then
goes
to
the
council,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
be
spending
the
time.
Nor
do
we
have
to
necessarily
with
regard
to
a
budget.
J
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
I
appreciate
that
I
see
no
more
hands
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
public
to
hear
the
question
and
the
the
motion
on
the
floor
is
to
adopt
the
letter.
That's
dated
march
23rd
to
mayor
cardone,
the
city
council,
members
requesting
the
city
provide
estimated
cost
to
accomplish
our
our
request.
B
There
is
not
a
dollar
amount
in
the
letter
and
that's
the
intent
of
the
motion.
Okay,
will
the
clerk
call
for
a
public
comment.
P
Yes,
paul
from
horseshoe.
My
comment
is
restricted
to
having
the
ex-mayor
ron
gonzalez
speak
to
this
committee
with
regard
to
any
any
legitimacy
that
he
can
lend
to
the
business
of
the
city
of
san
jose
mayor
le
cardo.
It
I
mean
mayor
gonzalez,
left
in
disgrace.
P
There
was
a
10
million
dollar
fiasco,
kickback
issue
that
that
surrounded
his
his
his
mayoral
ship.
Also,
he
was
the
one
that
placed
the
felon
statue,
which
I
spearheaded
the
the
community
engagement
to
have
removed,
and
so
I
take
great
exception
of
having
this
man
speak
in
any
legitimate
form.
That
would
lend
any
credibility
to
what
he
has
to
contribute
to
the
city.
I
mean
that
took
a
lot
of
lot
of
effort
within
the
chicano
community.
P
So
I'm
connected
to
all
of
the
historical
injustices
that
redlining
and
the
discriminations
that
have
went
on
in
this
city,
of
which
he
was
one
of
the
main
progenitors
of
with
respect
to
the
placement
of
that
statue
and
being
the
first
chicano
mayor
of
a
major
city,
and
he
left
in
disgrace
and
also
having
a
an
affair
with
his
with
the
secretary
while
he
was
in
office.
So
I
really
caution
you
as
to
who
you
choose
to
speak
at
these
forums.
Thank
you.
G
A
Brownstein
good
evening,
as
regards
the
issue
of
outside
council,
the
1985
commission
overwhelmingly
supported
the
idea
of
outside
council.
They
did
because
the
council
is
not
just
someone
who
does
drafting
that
person
is
also
a
problem,
solver
someone
who
will
help
you
get
where
you
want
to
go.
A
Legal
advice:
you're
going
to
be
trying
to
move
towards
equity
in
a
state
that
still
has
prop
209
and
its
constitution.
You
need
counsel
that
works
with
you.
You
need
counsel,
it's
going
to
come
up
with
language,
that's
both
constitutional
and
meets
your
objectives
and
you're
going
to
need
counsel
that
you're
full
confidence
that
confidence
in.
As
regards
than
the
idea
that
that
council,
soul.
P
A
To
help
you
get
the
decisions
that
you
want
and
not
serve
other
interests,
the.
A
Let
me
just
offer
my
services
on
a
pro
bono
basis,
having
been
the
budget
director
of
san
jose
for
eight
years,
if
someone
should
claim
that
the
city
lacks
the
resources
to
be
able
to
meet
your
very
reasonable
budget
requests,
I
assure
you
it
does
not
lack
the
resources
and
I
would
be
more
than
happy
to
identify
the
place
in
the
budget
where
those
resources
exist.
D
Hi,
laura
beekman
here
I
think
procedurally
after
if
you,
if
you
take
public
comment
after
making
a
motion
you're
supposed
to
ask
your
committee,
the
chair
is
supposed
to
ask
the
committee.
If
anyone
wants
to
change
their
vote
in
the
motion,
I
think
no,
but
I'm
sorry
I
I
may
not
be
saying
that
right,
that's
only
after
after
the
motion
is
voted
for
sorry
about
that,
anyway.
Hi.
Thank
you.
D
I
wanted
to
quickly
comment
that
it
was
my
feeling
that
you
know
with
language
interpretation
that
you
know
you
it's
it's
costing
250
bucks
an
hour.
Is
there
a
way
you
know
you
can
do
it
for
100
bucks
an
hour.
D
Can
you
get
someone
from
city
staff
with
city
union
help
to
get
to
get
overtime,
that
that
would
be
considered
okay
to
do
for
a
hundred
bucks
an
hour
or
to
call
a
temp
agency
or
to
call
the
college
kids
that
you're
you're
addressing
with
these
other
issues
and
and
find
college
kids
to
work
language
interpretation?
D
G
I
Yeah,
I
I'm
wondering
what
could
actually
save
this
city
right
now.
I
don't
think
it's
anything
you
guys
are
talking
about.
You
need
to
open
this
place
up
it's
going
to
be
huge
budget
shortfalls.
I
I
don't
know
where
you're
going
to
be
able
to
pay
all
these
cops
and
firemen
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
plus
a
year
to
have
these
administrative
jobs.
You
need
to
tell
the
city
they
need
to
be
able
to
get
tough
with
the
county
and
the
state
and
have
more
autonomy
than
what
they're
doing
I
mean
they.
The
city
has
to
placate
to
the
d.a,
the
sheriff
the
the
governor
on
what
they,
what
they
can
and
can't
do,
and
they
seem
to
throw
their
hands
up
in
the
air
saying
they
can
do
nothing.
I
I
think
the
city
council
and
the
mayor
need
to
be
stronger
against
the
state
and
the
and
the
and
the
county,
especially
the
county.
The
county
is
the
most
fascistic
thing
in
my
whole
life
that
I've
ever
seen
and
they
just
run
roughshod
over
over
all
the
cities
in
in
this,
in
their
county
and
san
jose
being
the
biggest
one
just
they're.
Just
they
just
roll
over
and
die.
It's
unbelievable.
I
You
know
that
they
would
even
take
any
any
direction
from
them.
The
horrible
things
that
they
do.
I
mean
when
you
go
to
speak
at
this
as
the
county.
I
You
know
we
want
to
talk
to
the
county.
Commission,
you
get
a
you
get
one
minute
and
they
cut
you
off.
I
mean
you,
you,
don't
you
don't
dare
do
anything
in
there
in
their
quarters
either
I
mean
these
guys.
Are
I
mean
the
the
county
is,
is
probably
his
closest
thing
to
the
politburo
or
or
a
kremlin?
You
could
ever
imagine
and
san
jose
just
they
just
they
just
lay
down
and
die.
It's
really
sad.
I
This
city
is
gonna,
be
a
disaster
in
the
next
year
if
they
don't
open
up
and
start
get
getting
these
businesses
there's
so
many
storefronts.
That
are
closed.
It's
really
sad
look.
It
looks
like
it
looks
like
a
bad
eastern
european
city.
A
Hi
this
is
shiloh
again,
so
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
support
the
motion
and
it
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
of
folks
who
do-
and
I
know
you
all
know
this,
but
I
think
it's
worth
just
saying
again
that
you
know
the
rules
of
the
game.
A
Governance
determine
who
gets
to
play,
and
we
know
that
the
rules
have
been
set
and
continue
to
be
set
in
a
way
that
keeps
some
people
out
and
allow
others
in,
and
so
it's
really
really
exciting
and
important
that
you
guys
get
to
change
that
and
you
get
to
think
about
it
and
unfortunately,
the
budget
that
you
were
given
says
something
entirely
different.
A
It
says
it's
not
important,
because
that's
how
we
express
our
values
right,
we
we
put
dot,
we
we
spend
money
on
something,
and
that
tells
us
whether
it's
valuable
or
not-
and
I
have
to
say
as
a
someone
who
was
on
the
general
plan
task
force
years
ago
and
has
been
on
different
task
force
updates
and
a
planning,
commissioner,
that
I
was
really
surprised
when
I
was
listening
in
on
the
first
meeting
and
heard
you
know
that
you
really
were
only
being
staffed
by
a
consultant
and
and
tony
and
I
was
like,
oh
my
gosh.
A
B
Awesome.
Thank
you.
If
you're
ready,
I'm
going
to
call
for
the
question
on
the
motion,
which
is
to
support
the
letter,
the
draft
letter
to
the
council
dated
march
23rd
2020,
it
should
be
2021.
I
believe
yes,
just
for
the
record.
Yes
will
clerk
take
the
role
please.
A
I'll
take
the
role.
So
first
is
barbara:
marshman
hi,
christina
johnson,
yes,
dan
bazuto
is
absent.
Elizabeth
motley,
yes,
ellie
matsumura,
yeah,
enrico
calendar,
hi,
frank.
K
D
I
A
A
B
A
G
A
G
B
So
that
passes,
okay,
I'm
gonna
move
us
on
the
again
the
I
will
take
up
a
commissioner
matamura's
suggestion
that
we
kind
of
work
simultaneously
we'll
submit
the
letter,
but
we'll
also
start
doing
the
research
work
so
that
we're
not
waiting
for
that
response.
B
Just
in
the
interest
of
saving
us
time
and
taking
into
consideration
a
lot
of
the
great
suggestions
that
you
all
made
tonight
around
options
of
what
possibilities
are
so
we'll
start
doing
that
research
kind
of
in
the
in
the
immediacy
as
we
do
these
two
things,
we'll
track
them
simultaneous
all
right.
I
am
going
to
move
us
to
our
last
public
item,
which
is
public
comment
on
items
that
are
not
addressed
in
the
agenda.
G
H
Oh,
I'm
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair,
I
I
did
still
have
another
item
on
the
work
plan.
I
know
we
discussed
the
budget
and
took
comments
on
the
work
plan,
but
are
we
still
able
to
do
that.
B
H
H
Thank
you
so
much
for
that,
just
in
mind
of
hearing
a
number
of
comments
from
the
public
tonight
about
kind
of
getting
into
more
specifics
around
what
are
the
issues
under
sort
of
category
three
of
other
approaches
to
equity,
sorry
to
accountability,
representation
and
inclusion?
H
I
do
it.
I
think
it's
a
pretty
complex
issue.
Mr
hudson
said
it
really
well.
On
that
front
of
you
know,
we've
got
people
raised
issues
of
police
housing
budget.
I've
heard
earlier
reference
to
campaign
finance
as
well,
but
what
of
that
belongs
in
the
charter
is
an
incredibly
complex
issue
and
I'm
concerned
that,
if
we
sort
of
push
that
more
towards
the
end
of
our
process,
we
may
not
know
what
we're
getting
ourselves
into
that.
H
M
Yeah,
do
you
have
any
specifics
about
what
that
could
look
like
you
know,
is
there
I
mean
we
can
bookmark
something,
but
if
there's
any
I
I
need
your
help
in
understanding.
Exactly
what's
gonna
be
most
helpful
to
inform
those
conversations,
and
I
do
think
that
some
of
that
is
bordering
on
discussion.
M
I've
certainly
heard
the
the
desire
from
the
public
to
for
the
focus
on
equity,
but
if
you
have
any-
and
I
could
spend
some
time
sort
of
looking
to
see
what's
out
there,
I
do
think
that
one
way
to
look
at
that
is
looking
at
other
comparable
cities.
You
know
detroit
has
come
up
in
some
of
the
ways
they've
tried
to
include
a
a
sort
of
a
human
rights
or
equity
component,
but
if
you
have
specific
thoughts,
they'd
be
appreciated
and
I
see
two
hands:
christopher's
calendar
and
borosio.
C
Yes,
let
me
ask
what
it
would
look
like,
I'm
just
kind
of
remarking
off
of
some
of
the
comments
that
I
heard
today,
because
I
would
like
to
have
an
understanding.
This
is
what
the
research
would
be
good
for
is
one
of
the
different
practices
in
other
cities
out
there,
and
I
don't
even
know
which
cities
to
tell
you
to
begin
to
look
at
in
terms
of
the
best
medicines.
M
Well,
and
and
to
that
point
I
had
asked
that
this
didn't
come
up
in
the
question
from
in
the
conversation
with
professor
nelson,
but
I'd
ask
her
that
very
question
you
know
like.
Are
there
any?
Is
there
any
research
about
sort
of
equity
overlay
as
it
relates
to
governance,
forms
and
and
the
the
best
sort
of
variable
that
I
can
come
up
with
with
voter
turnout?
So
I
we
can
and
there's
other
researchers
that
I'm
in
touch
with
that.
M
I
can
share
the
same
conversation
with,
I
think,
actually
what
we're
going
to
find
and
what
I've
found
in
my
initial
research
here
is
that
there
is
not
a
lot,
and
there
are
some
more
recent
attempts
to
incorporate
this
and,
in
fact,
there's
a
very
active
conversation
through
the
national
civic
league
and
their
model
city
charter,
about
what
it
would
mean
to
incorporate
equity
more
directly
in
in
city
charters
and
again
they
focus
on
a
council
manager
forum.
M
C
There
are
a
few
things
that
I'm
after
hearing
them
today,
one
of
the
things
that
I
heard
was
the
elected
police
chief,
the
ability
to
remove
the
police
chief
and
other
department
heads
like
you
and
on
our
charter
in
san
jose's
charter.
You
can
actually
remove
the
city
manager
by
a
recall.
The
question
I
have
is
how
many
other
cities
is
that
president.
I
can
only
tell
you
of
two
that
I
know
of
in
the
country,
but
there
could
be
a
lot
more.
C
I
just
happen
to
know
of
two
one
being
the
city
of
santa
clara,
that
has
an
elected
police
chief
and
I
like
the
department
head.
So
the
questions
I
would
have
is
what
is
the
prevalence
of
this
and
how
has
it
worked
in
those
cities?
When
you
have
elected
department,
heads
and
what
department
heads
are
elected,
so
that's
kind
of
the
information
I
would
like
to
eat.
M
Yeah-
and
I
heard
tonight
that
the
prevalence
was
not
as
important
rather
than
how
it's
worked
out
and
so
then
becomes
kind
of
a
an
individual
study
session
on
implementation
in
in
specific
cities,
because
I
think
what
we
heard
from
profession
that
professor
nelson
was
prevalent
of
some
aspects
of
formal
governance.
M
So
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
is
that
you'd
like
to
and
that's
that
specific
kind
of
power
or
authority
vested
in
in
council
and
that's
the
remove
a
specific
elected
official
or
have
specific
elected
department.
Heads
is
is
great,
very,
very
helpful.
C
Well,
not
necessarily
right,
okay
to
be
able
to
determine,
because
I'm
sure
that
if
we
were
able
to
look
at
the
research
we
can
say
here
in
the
out
of
these
cities,
we
know
that
these
cities
have
an
elected
police
chief.
Well,
how
does
that
look
for
their
structure
and
I'm
sure
there's
got
to
be
some
empirical
research
on?
How
has
it
worked?
I'm
sure,
there's
newspaper
articles,
I'm
sure,
there's
something
out
there,
but
I
don't
know.
C
Okay,
look
one
of
the
things
I
also
heard
you
know
we
talked
about
the
equity
lens
I
heard
about
sprawl
and
its
impact
potentially
on
affordable
housing.
What
research
has
been
done
on
that
to
say
that
sprawl
does
cause
impacts
to
affordability,.
M
Okay,
great,
thank
you
for
those
specifics.
Other
specifics
like
that
that
I
see
commissioner
brocio.
O
Yeah
perfect,
thank
you.
So
I'm
thinking
about
our
last
meeting
and
I
think
it
was
commissioner
fuentes
who,
who
motioned
that
we
include
aspects
of
of
racial
equity.
You
know
social,
economic,
racial
and
gender.
I
think
were
the
three
that
that
that
that
were
emphasized-
and
I
think
commissioner
amador
also
also
followed
up
by
inviting
people,
I
think
from
gear
gare.
If
I'm.
O
And
then
I
emailed
out-
and
I
could
email
this
out
to
all
the
other
members
of
the
of
the
commission,
but
I
emailed
yourself
and
chair
ferreira,
the
idea
of
inviting
staff
members
from
our
office,
our
san
jose
office
of
racial
equity.
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
tie-in
to
our
discussions,
invite
them
to
kind
of
build
our
knowledge
and
give
us
some
sort
of
background
in
terms
of
what
are
the
numbers.
What
are
the
patterns?
What
are
the
trends?
O
What
are
the
the
issues
that
they're
seeing
that
could
feed
into
our
work,
and
I
went
on
to
their
website
and
it's
interesting
one
of
their
one
of
their
directives
is
consider
additional
measures
and
potential
charter
amendments
as
needed.
That
will
improve
accountability.
O
Oh
no
well,
that's
ours,
but
they
do
have
similar
language
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
san
jose
is,
is
reaching
that
level
of
equity
right
and-
and
I
think,
if
we
move
in
in
the
direction
that
we're
moving
in
in
terms
of
considering
those
things
that
I
just
said
right,
how
do
we?
How
do
we
improve
accountability,
representation
and
inclusion,
which
is
which
is
one
of
our
directives?
O
It
would
be
nice
to
invite
them,
and
I
would
probably,
as
I
said
in
in
my
email,
invite
them
to
be
a
a
consistent
panelist
on
our
on
our
side,
so
they
can
provide
that
sort
of
counsel
for
us
when
needed.
So
that's
one,
tangible
step
that
that
I
would
recommend
great.
M
Thank
you,
commissioners,
johnson
and
amador.
A
That
their
departments
use
to
ensure
that
their
programs
are
meeting
the
needs
of
their
community
and
it's
it's
viewed
through
an
equity
lens.
I
think
that
would
be
worthy
to
look
into
more
to
see.
If
that's
something
that
you
know
would
be
possible
here
and
would
be
worthwhile
to
dive
in
tomorrow
to
see
if
we
can
pull
something.
A
Yes
and
just
to
add
on
the
racial
equity,
I
believe
also
the
in
san
francisco,
the
office
of
racial
equity
and
they
did
a
requirements
to
draft
a
racial
equity
action
plan
and
they
actually
included
a
few
amendments
to
their
to
their
charter
review
and
so
again
right.
I've
been
asking
that
we
bring
gare.
They,
I
believe
to
my
understanding,
is
our
racial
equity
department
here
in
san
jose,
has
been
trained
with
gear
and
that's
the
same
tools
that
austin
texas
is
using.
A
They
develop
some
tools
that
their
city
uses
to
see
the
impacts,
the
racial
impacts,
as
well
as
the
economical
impacts
that
will
have
on
its
people.
So
definitely
again,
I'm
advocating
that
we
bring
somebody
we,
I
don't
think
we
have
to
pay
them
extra
because
they're
already
within
the
city,
maybe
you
know
for
their
expertise
but
again.
Thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you,
commissioner
vorossio,
for
bringing
that
back.
M
Okay,
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
is
less
about
sort
of
the
the
implementation
of
an
equity
lens
on
existing
city
charters.
Yes,
if
we
can
get
to
that,
but
also
potentially
more
of
a
session
on
equity
lenses
used
in
the
municipal
context
and
how
they
might
be
applied
to
the
work
of
this
commission
to
suggest
recommendations
for
the
council
around
charter
revisions.
M
Is
that
kind
of
a
both
end
there?
Is
that
not
a
heads?
Yes,
maybe
close,
all
right,
we're
getting
a
few
okay,
great,
very
helpful!
Thank
you
and
I'm
I'm
not
trying
to
sort
of
wag
the
wag,
the
dog
here,
like
the
tail
whatever
it
is.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
responding
in
a
to
your
needs
and
being
getting
clarity
on
that.
B
I
would
just
add
two
things:
one
is
that
we
do
have
in
the
I
was
going
to
ask
you
to
pull
up
the
calendar
itself.
We
do
have
a
number
of
actual
sections
of
the
commission,
I'm
sorry
of
the
of
the
charter
that
I
believe
it
was.
Commissioner
calendar
asked
us
specifically
to
pull
up
and
to
really
have
discussions
around.
I
would
encourage
us,
as
we
look
at
these
other
sections
of
the
charter,
that
we
take
the
equity
lens
to
them,
so
that
that
is
scheduled
in
terms
of
the.
B
B
So
I
I
that's
the
point
that
I
was
hoping
lawrence
was
going
to
make
that
we
do
have
something
in
the
schedule
for
april
and
kind
of
the
how
it's
working
and
how
well
it's
working
is
the
real
questions
that
we're
asking
to
the
city
manager,
the
former
city
manager
and
the
former
mayor.
I
do
think
that's
an
important
piece
to
add
to
and
then.
B
Secondly,
I
would
just
add
that
I
did
look
at
the
gear
materials,
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
incorporate
the
gear
materials
wherever
they
seem
appropriate
whenever
we
can
use
a
tool
kind
of
automatically
just
do
that
in
the
framework
of
our
discussions,
I
thought
was
really
helpful.
So
thank
you
to
commissioner
amador
for
her
suggestion.
B
I
just
it
was
a
really
good
read
and
I
had
some
ideas
of
how
we
might
be
able
to
incorporate
even
their
techniques
or
ideas
into
the
framework
of
what
we're
doing
and
definitely
as
we
look
at
the
writing
of
our
commission
report,
that'll
really
take
great
precedence.
I
think
as
well
so
appreciate
that
support
okay,
then
let
us
go
to.
P
P
We,
who
are
the
farm
workers,
have
been
insulted.
We
have
seen
ourselves
treated
like
cattle.
We
have
seen
how
they
have
taken
our
work,
the
work
of
our
hands
and
our
bodies
and
made
themselves
rich.
While
we
were
left
with
empty
hands
between
the
earth
and
the
sky,
we
have
seen
our
children
treated
as
inferiors
in
the
schools
we
have
seen
in
the
face
of
the
cop
or
inequality
before
the
law.
We
have
known
what
it
was
like
to
be
less
respected
to
be
unwanted,
to
live
in
a
world
which
did
not
belong
to
us.
P
Our
color
or
our
language,
or
our
job
have
kept
us
apart,
and
the
people
who
are
profiting
from
our
separateness
are
determined
to
keep
it
that
way.
It
is
the
fact
that
in
san
francisco,
the
growers
associations
keep
an
office
full
of
people,
busy.
Writing
propaganda
about
how
farmworkers
are
all
winos,
bungs
incompetence.
There
is
money
in
the
advancement
of
these
lies.
We
who
are
picking
the
grapes
and
the
peaches
and
the
tomatoes
which
are
the
lifeblood
of
california,
are
soon
going
to
share
in
the
richness.
P
We
have
made
the
little
fights
against
the
little
grower
and
the
contractor
that
you
read
about
today
are
only
the
beginning.
The
dignity
of
the
farmworker
shows
itself
in
many
ways
this
year
and
in
the
years
to
come,
it
will
be
shown
by
the
man
who
will
fight
when
he
is
insulted.
I
am
a
descendant
of
that
p
of
these
peoples
of
sasi
puedes.
That's
why
the
centering
of
racial
equity
is
so
critically
important
at
this
particular
juncture
in
our
existence
as
human
beings.
P
Since
1850
there
has
been
a
genocide
here
in
san
jose
with
the
with
the
decapitations
of
native
native
populations.
Then
there
was
the
spring
of
pesticides
on
my
entire
family.
Over
there
in
sassy
play
this.
There
was
the
redlining.
There
was
a
beating
of
school
children
inside
san
jose,
unified
school
districts.
Speaking
speaking,
spanish,
you
have
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
you
and
a
lot
to
correct
and
from
the
historical
injustice
that
we,
the
chicanos,
have
experienced
in
the
city.
D
Hi,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
meeting
tonight.
Like
I
said
earlier,
I
really
like
the
narrative
that
you're
working
with
and
when
you
bring
in
public
speakers
and
and
it
just
really
sets
my
mind
at
ease
how
to
address
the
situation,
and
thank
you
immensely
at
this
point.
D
I'm
wondering
if
down
the
road.
This
it'll
be
a
long
commission
process.
D
If
that
you
know
at
some
point
I
mean
just
to
bravely
it's
because
this
this
process
and
narrative
has
been
so
good
at
first,
I'm
I'm
willing
to
able
to
ask:
can
you
occasionally
maybe
have
what
was
described
tonight
as
someone
from
a
mayor
council
perspective
to
describe
their
position
on
on
things
and
what
can
take
place?
I
think
it
would
give
a
good
you
know
counter
balance.
I
guess
to
what
I
mean.
D
I
really
prefer
the
the
I
guess
it
was
called
tonight,
the
council
city
manager
approach,
and
I
would
call
that
term
something
different
which
is
kind
of
the
things
maybe
that
san
jose
can
work
on
and
what
can
make
them
unique.
I
mean,
maybe
it's
not
a
hybrid
model
at
this
point.
Maybe
it's
it's
our
own
uniqueness
and
all
the
good
stuff,
but
yeah
with
that
good
narrative
of
a
of
a
council
city
manager
process.
D
It
can
allow
me
to
hear
other
points
of
view.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
the
words
of
matthew,
king
and
others
tonight
about
section
three
they're
really
important
about
the
future
of
equity
and
issues
like
that.
I
work
on
the
issues
of
a
you
know:
future
better
democratic
practices
that
are
possible
in
10
years
time.
There's
going
to
be
a
really
important,
you
know
public
future,
a
more
sharing
of
the
public
process.
I
Hello
kitty:
can
you
hear
me
good
yeah?
You
know
this
city
they
like
to
lay
down
for
the
state
and
the
county
all
the
time,
but
all
of
a
sudden
they
want
to
fight
the
state.
So
they
can
set
up
these
speed
cameras
to
send
people
125
tickets
with
no
additional
assessments,
which
is
always
a
lie.
They
always
like
to
tack
on
all
these
fees
and
whatnot
to
keep
down
people
even
further,
who
don't
have
the
money
to
pay
it
yeah,
it's
looking
to
be
125.
I
If
any
city
council
people
are
listening,
vote
no
on
it,
my
city,
council,
member,
pam,
foley,
she
votes
yes
on
it.
I
will
not
vote
for
her
and
I
want
everyone's
anyone.
Anyone
listening,
if
you
think
125
tickets,
only
going
to
be
that
much.
They
claim
no
point
on
your
record.
I
You
should
really
think
again.
It's
going
to
be
set
up
by
a
private
company
it'll,
be
the
cheesiest
tackiest
way
of
trying
to
create
revenue
when
this
city
dropped
the
ball
during
covet,
not
opening
things
up,
they're
going
to
try
to
get
some
fast
money.
With
these
cameras.
Looking,
I
want
everyone
listening
to
look
into
those
cameras
and
they
won't
be
any
fun.
You
know,
you'll
get
the
thing
in
the
mail
it'll
be
a
disaster.
I
The
even
the
police
department
doesn't
want
it
because
well
it
takes
away
their
job.
That
might
be
a
good
thing.
The
city
needs
to
really
they
don't
need
to
defund
the
police.
They
just
need
to
demote
a
lot
of
people
down
to
the
level
that
they
should
be
at
in
pay
and
rank
all
these
lieutenants
and
captains
walking
around
doing
nothing
a
bunch
of
losers.
All
of
them
they
don't
do
they're
not
doing
the
deputy
chief,
the
deputy
chief,
the
ceo
to
the
you,
know
the
innovation
and
the
design
people
cool
this.
I
This
city's
crazy.
This
city
is
going
to
go
bankrupt
and
you
guys
are
sitting
around.
You
know
with
a
study
session.
This
isn't
high
school.
You
guys
really
need
to
sharpen
your
pencils
and
and
get
smart
with
with
city
management.
Get
the
city
back
open,
stop.
A
E
Hi
everybody.
I
know
this
is
a
late
meeting,
so
I'm
going
to
keep
it
short.
I
wanted
to
comment
on
section
10
of
boards
and
commission
and
looking
at
that
section
on
april
5th,
with
an
equity
lens,
you
know:
how
can
we
build
in
equitable
budget
and
resources
to
support
boards
and
commissions
in
the
future,
so
all
the
challenges
that
you're
having
right
now?
How
can
we
be
looking
at
that
in
a
future
sense,
so
that
future
commissions
do
not
run
into
the
same
problem?
And
you
know
how
are
these
commissioners
being
selected?
E
How
are
they
being
held
accountable,
also,
maybe
speaking
to
other
commissioners,
about
their
lessons
learned
and
their
challenges
in
trying
to
create
change
within
their
respective
commissions
and
again?
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
opportunity
to
kind
of
take
everything
that
you've
been
all
going
through
right
now
and
maybe
channeling
it
into
section
10
and
seeing
you
know
how
we
can
really
address
the
process
of
this
system
and
how
is
it
affecting
us
and
thank
you
again.
B
Thank
you.
So
we
did
receive
one
letter
from
the
public
this
at
to
this
meeting.
So
it's
a
bit
added
to
the
agenda,
so
public
reception
of
that
is
both
seen
in
public
and
received
by
the
commissioners.
D
Hi,
thank
you,
blair,
beekman
here
yeah
to
comment.
You
know
these
are
about.
You
know
our
voting
rights
and
voting
practices
in
san
jose
for
the
next
10
years
and
like
what
I
was
trying
to
conclude
with
you
know
in
the
next
10
years.
There's
a
good
idealism.
This
building
that
was
described
by
matt
king
and
you
know
what
I've
tried
to
describe.
D
It's
important,
how
you
can
learn
to
incorporate
that
in
your
decision-making
and
how
you'll
be
thinking
of
things
and
just
good
looking
how
you
can
do
that
in
in
everything
you
do
look
to
an
important
future,
that's
developing
where
people
will
have
a
really
more
important
part
in
our
future
of
government
and
and
and
the
community
democratic
process.
Thank
you.