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From YouTube: MAY 3, 2021 | Charter Review Commission
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City of San José, California
Charter Review Commission of May 3, 2021
This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
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D
It
looks
like
we
have
a
quorum,
so
let's
get
started.
I'd
like
to
call
this
as
a
charter
commission
meeting
of
may
3rd
2021
to
order
and
ask
the
clerk
to
take
the
rule.
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D
Here
we.
D
G
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K
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K
Yes,
I
also
this
is
tony.
I
want
to
know
the
lewis
bro
louis
spirocio
is
now
on.
D
And
yes
as
well
visually
and
trying
to
make
this
audio
connection
work.
Okay,
thank
you
to
the
clerk
at
this
time.
We're
going
to.
I
have
one
report
from
the
chair,
and
that
is
I'm
going
to
call
this
to
the
attorney
to
speak
to
commissioners
stating
their
opinions
in
public.
This
is
a
reminder
of
the
work
that
the
city
attorney
had
talked
to
us
in
training
that
he
talked
to
us
about
the
beginning
of
our
beginning
of
our
commission
and
just
wanted
that
issue
again
tonight.
M
Good
good
afternoon,
everybody
or
good
evening
everyone.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everybody
that
you
know,
unlike
some
other
commissions
and
when
the
city
of
this
body
is
not
limited
in
what
it
can
and
cannot
say
publicly,
but
we
have
advised
for
the
purpose
of
avoiding
serial
communications
and
things
like
that
that
individual
members
opinions
if
they're
expressed
in
public,
should
be
avoided.
D
D
Just
as
a
reminder
that
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
understands
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
studying
these
issues
and
have
an
open
mind
and
and
are
not
making
a
decision
at
this
time,
and
so
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
civic
engagement
is
not
a.
You
know.
D
So
thank
you
to
the
city
attorney
and
now
I'd
like
to
call
on
the
clerk
just
to
report
in
anything
to
us.
K
I
am
having
a
little
problem
with
my
audio,
so
let
me
know
if
there,
if
you
have
any
issue,
I
have
a
a
couple
of
things
to
report
one
we
did
have
a
resignation
from
a
district
10
representative
dan
pizzuto.
He
submitted
his
resignation
this
morning
we've
contacted
the
council
member
for
a
new
appointment
and
last
tuesday
the
city
council
gave
budget
approval
for
many
of
your
recommendations.
K
Not
all
of
them.
They
approved
translation
and
interpreting.
So
we'll
have
those
prepared
for
the
next
meeting.
It
was
not
quite
enough
time
for
me
to
get
things
set
for
this
particular
meeting
and
then
they
did
not
approve
outside
counsel.
So
we'll
actually
talk
about
that
under
the
work
plan,
but
they
wanted
me
to
lead
a
discussion
with
you
guys
on
why
you
think
you
need
outside
counsel,
so
we'll
talk
about
that
under
work
plan,
not
under
reports
and
information.
D
Thank
you
now.
Let
us
move
to
our
guests
for
this
evening.
The
first
study
session
tonight
will
be
guests
from
the
city
of
detroit
michigan
and
the
city
of
san
jose's
office
of
racial
equity,
again
because
of
the
time
delay
whether
it's
time
difference,
we
wanted
to
start
with
our
friends
coming
to
us
from
detroit
michigan.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
over
to
lawrence
to
introduce
our
guests
and
thank
them
for
joining
our
commission.
This
evening
we
will
take
about.
D
They
will
be
presenting
for
about
our
total
times
about
90
minutes,
so
they'll
be
making
the
first
set
of
presentations
and
then
we'll
have
commissioners
speaking
in
terms
of
questions
for
them,
and
then
we
will
move
to
a
comment
lawrence.
Do
you
want
to
introduce
our
guest.
N
Of
course,
thank
you,
chair
and
good
evening.
Everybody
really
excited
to
have
with
us
today,
three
folks
who
were
part
of
the
who
are
part
of
the
detroit
charter.
Commission.
N
We
have
with
us
tonight
denzel
mccampbell,
commissioner,
on
the
detroit
charter
commission,
as
well
as
who
I've
spoken
to,
and
I
want
to
thank
denzel
for
his
help
coordinating
our
guest
tonight.
He
has
graciously
brought
along
some
of
his
colleagues
from
the
the
detroit
charter
commission
carol,
weaver
the
chair
as
well
as
lamont
satchel,
who
is
the
general
counsel,
so
they
are
going
to
share
just
a
couple
thoughts
from
their
perspective
as
part
of
the
detroit
charter.
Commission,
there
are
some
differences,
they
have
a
three-year
tenure.
N
N
Yet
megan
and
tony
I'm
assuming
that
you
are-
are
kind
of
set
us
up
with
that
because
I
see
them
in
the
attendees
section.
I
see
denzel
and
carol.
N
All
right,
the
power
zoom,
the
internet
connects
us
all,
not
just
zoom,
and
I
see
denzel
and
great
all
right.
I'm
gonna
get
a
formal
here
and
and
welcome
mr
campbell
and
mrs
weaver
from
the
detroit
charter.
Commission
turn
it
over
to
you
for
your
thoughts.
Will
mr
satchel
be
joining
us
tonight.
O
I
thought
he
would
have
been
on.
I
don't
know
there
have
been
a
lot
of
movement
parts
here
in
detroit.
We
just
heard
from
our
governor.
O
So
well,
oh,
we
are,
he
is
working.
N
O
On
a
response
now
to
help
us
try
to,
she
sent
us
18,
page
documents
of
of
her
review
and
a
thing
she'd
like
to
see
a
little
differently.
So
we
are
working
diligently
and
I've,
given
him
a
deadline
of
wednesday
to
present
to
the
charter.
So
we
can
go
to
our
subcommittees
and
review
it
and
see
if
we're
going
to
make
changes.
N
Understood
well,
let's
just
say
we
have
until
about
6
30,
for
for
the
two
of
you
to
share
your
thoughts
about
your
process
and
then
we'll
do
about
45
minutes
of
questions
for
commissioners.
Don't
don't
feel
if
we
have
that
many,
but
don't
feel
obliged
to
to
to
take
the
full
15
minutes.
Just
would
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
about
your
process
and
anything
you'd
like
to
share
for
this
commission,
as
in
the
way
of
words
of
advice.
O
Okay,
well,
thank
you
for
having
commissioner
campbell
and
myself.
I
am
carol
weaver.
I
am
chair
of
the
detroit
charter
revision
commission
on
in
november
of
2018,
seven,
I'm
sorry.
Nine
of
us
were
elected
to
the
charter
commission
and
when
we
were
elected
we
were
sworn
in.
I
think
about
nine
days
later
and
at
that
meeting
I
was
selected
elected
as
chair
of
the
of
my
peers,
and
let's
see
we
started
off
a
little
contentious.
O
We
were
all
just
you
know
just
trying
to
get
to
know
each
other,
and
I
thought
it
would
be
best
if
we
started
off
with
identifying
committees.
O
O
So
I
sat
down
with
each
commissioner
and
asked
who
would
like
to
chair
which
committee
and
they
let
me
know-
and
I
would
just
read
if
you
are
so
inclined-
the
different
committees
that
we
have.
Our
first
committee
is
budget
and
finance
and
that
monitors
the
assets,
liabilities,
revenues
and
expenditures
other
charter
commissions.
Next
we
had
the
personnel
we.
The
personnel
committee
was
to
interview
candidates
for
positions
and
recommend
it
and
recommend
applicants
to
the
of
the
whole
body
and
to
oversee
the
commission
work.
O
We
have
had
an
executive
director,
but
he
is
no
longer
with
us
and
we
have
a
general
counsel.
We
have
a
researcher
and
we
have
a
well.
We
had
an
administrative
assistant
up
until
about
a
week
ago,
but
and
but
now
we
are
hiring
media
to
help
us
to
to
campaign
for
the
charter
to
get
the
to
educate
the
the
citizens
on
the
charter.
N
O
So
the
purpose
was
the
for
us
coming
together,
so
we
had
a
2012.
We
were
just
coming
out
of
bankruptcy,
we
had
a
2012
charter
and
they
made
a
a
number
of
changes
to
the
charter,
and
so
they
put
on
the
ballot
in
2012
that,
if
approved,
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
detroit,
would
have
six
years
from
that
time,
a
question
to
be
put
on
the
ballot.
O
Would
you
like
to
open
up
this
charter
and
review
it
and
more
people
said
I
think
about
700
people
said
they
would
like
to
open
the
charter,
so
we
put
it
on
the
ballot.
We
ran
for
a
seat
on
the
commission
and
nine
of
us
were
selected.
O
So
that's
what
happened
great
and,
and
so,
when
I
became
chair,
I
thought
that
it
was
best.
I
was
trying
to
bring
the
group
together.
There
was
no
direction
from
anyone,
and
so
I
thought
it
best
that
we
kind
of
take
the
lead
from
the
2012
charter
and
so
what
they
did.
They
had
a
number
of
committees,
and
I
just
duplicated
that-
and
I
just
decided
to
ask
each
commissioner
which
one
they
would
like
to
chair.
N
No
thank
you.
I
just
thought
it'd
be
helpful
to
have
a
little
bit
of
context
about
how
your
commission
was
a
little
is
different
than
this
commission.
As,
as
you
may
know,
this
commission
was
was
created
by
the
council
of
san
jose
to
investigate
a
few
different
topics,
but
so
this
commission
has
a
bit
more
direction,
is
actually
in
the
process
of
coming
up
with
subcommittees.
So
this
is
a
good
time
to
hear
from
from
you
all
about
your
process,
so
we.
O
Had
the
rules,
planning
and
structure
committee,
and
that
was
to
oversee
compliance
with
the
bylaws
and
to
propose
changes
in
the
bylaws
for
consideration
and
approval
from
the
whole
body.
It
was
to
oversee
the
compliance
with
the
commission's
flight
plan
and
to
make
any
proposed
changes
in
the
flight
plan
next
and
then
we
had
the
actual
departments
within
the
city.
O
So
we
had
a
public
agencies
and
safety
committee
which
commissioner
campbell
is
over
and
they
over
and
they
were
to
look
into
airport
fire,
I'm
sorry,
building
safety,
engineering,
fire
municipal
parking,
police
and
a
board
of
permit
police
commissioners,
the
department
of
transportation,
department
of
appeals
and
hearing
the
detroit
area
aging.
No
detroit
area,
regional
transit
authority,
the
wayne
county
health
authority
for
detroit,
the
public
works,
public
lighting,
the
water
department,
health,
homeland,
security
and
I'll.
O
Let
commissioner
campbell
go
on
and
on
and
after
that
we
had
the
internal
and
external
departmental
operations
that
looked
at
the
at
the
city:
council,
the
city
clerk,
our
district
courts,
this
civil
rights,
inclusion
opportunities,
human
resources,
general
services,
pension
and
retirement,
the
appointed
boards
and
commissions,
the
mayor's
office,
the
election
and
election
office
and
elections.
Commission,
the
law
department,
the
technology
department,
board
of
ethics,
cable,
commission,
board
of
review
inspector
general
media
services,
ombudsman
auditor
general,
the
division
of
the
chief
financial
officers.
O
Then
we
had
the
economic
growth
and
development
committee,
which
was
the
planning
and
development
empowerment
zone,
workforce
development,
just
a
number
of
the
different
authorities
that
we
have
within
the
city.
O
So
I
had
after
I
selected
the
chairs
for
each
of
the
subcommittees.
I
asked
the
chairs
if
they
would
then
ask
a
up
to
three
commissioners,
no,
no
more
than
three
some
of
them
had
two.
Some
of
them
had
three
on
their
on
their
committee.
Invite
the
commissioners
to
be
on
the
committee.
O
One
reason
why
I
did
that
and-
and
I
did
not
select
the
members-
because
I
wanted
the
chair
of
each
subcommittee-
to
to
have
a
good
working
relationship
and
to
build
a
relationship
with
the
with
with
their
members,
and
so
we
did
that
our
first
couple
of
weeks
and
we
started
having
our
meetings
and
so
what
we,
what
we
did.
We
said
we
were
going
to
have
a
operational
plan
which
was
our
flight
plan.
O
So
originally
we
wanted
to
have
a
revised
charter
on
in
november
of
2020,
but
that
did
not
happen.
We
had
some
hiccups
early
on
and
but
we
did
come
together
and
we
created
a
flight
plan.
Our
first
stage
was
our
public
hearing
phase
and
which
that
was
our
education
and
digesting
input.
O
The
commission
had
a
series
of
public
meetings
where
the
commissioners
learned
various
topics
addressed
in
the
charter.
Our
meetings
were
scheduled
to
address
individual
topics,
expert
and
community
activists
were
invited
to
present
on
each
topic.
O
We
probably
had
around
three
to
four
different
presenters
each
meeting
from
community
groups
to
various
department
heads
we
did.
We
have
any
elected
officials,
I
don't
think
we
had
any
elected
officials,
but
it
was
basically
the
community
and
some
departments
coming
and
bringing
their
ideas.
Some
community
members
even
came
together
and
and
their
groups
were
called
focus
groups
and
they
would
meet
outside
of
the
commission
and
then
come
back
and
bring
their
findings.
O
Meetings
were
held
throughout
the
city,
so
there
are
seven
districts
council
districts
within
detroit,
and
so
we
made
sure
that
we
we
we
met
at
each
district,
I
mean
most
of
most
of
the
times
we
used
our
recreational
centers.
We
had
recreational
centers
and
we
you
utilize
those
to
have
in-person
meetings.
We
are
now
virtual
because
of
covet,
but
pre-covet
we
were
around
the
city
following
each
topic:
presenter.
O
O
O
N
It's
a
great
context,
I'm
curious
if
commissioner
mccampbell
has
anything
to
share,
and
I
in
our
conversation,
commissioner,
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
the
value
of
focus
groups
for
understanding
community
sentiment
around
your
work.
I'm
I'm
would
love
to
hear
a
bit
more
about
that
too.
In
addition
to
what
the
chair
shared.
P
Absolutely-
and
thank
you
thank
you
all
for
having
us
here.
Thank
you
to
chair
river
for
sharing
as
well
good
evening,
everyone.
P
What
I
will
say
is
that
you
know
what
we
and
the
commission
and
commissioners
had
continued
to
have
a
commitment
on
making
sure
that
we
were
as
participatory
as
possible
in
this
process
right,
making
sure
that
we
heard
as
much
as
possible
from
residents,
as
the
chair
said,
from
experts
from
the
departments
and
and
the
heads
of
our
independent
departments
as
well,
to
ensure
that
we
were
making
sure
that
this
charter
was
inclusive
of
the
issues
that
folks
were
facing
and
the
solutions
that
community
members
shared.
P
So
what
I
want
to
put
forth
to
folks
and
and
talking
about
will
we
try
to
again
address
the
issues
that
are
impacting
folks
right?
I
chaired
the
public
agents,
public
safety
and
agencies
committee,
and
you
heard
the
vast
range
of
departments
and
issues
we
covered
from
policing
to
water,
to
fire,
to
our
public
health
department
right
and
during
this
time.
P
As
you
can
imagine,
as
we
see
the
conversation
that
we're
having
around
policing
as
we
see
how
the
conversation
around
access
to
clean
water
as
we're
seeing
in
detroit
in
our
charter
in
the
2012
charter,
the
current
one
for
our
health
department,
it
does
not
list
anything
for
our
health
department.
It
just
says
that
the
mayor
may
have
folks
to
buy
some
more
health
and
sanitation.
P
They
connected
those
things.
So
we
we
invited
folks
in
to
say
what
are
the
issues
and
how
do
you
feel
that
they
should
be
addressed
right,
because
we
truly
want
this
starter
to
be
one
that
residents
feel
that
they
have
a
party
in
and
one
that
addresses
again.
The
issues
that
they're
facing
well
also
put
forth
for
folks,
is
that
this
we
had.
As
the
chair
said,
we
had
this
listening
phase
and
you
had
folks
come
in
and
share
their
thoughts
around
it.
P
But
then
we
had
folks
to
actually
put
forth
their
own
recommendations
to
revisions
of
the
charter
and-
and
that
was
a
large.
It
was
a
we
had
a
large
time
period
for
folks
to
submit
recommendations
and
then
the
sub
communities
that
the
chair
mentioned.
They
we
went
through
each
proposal.
P
You
know
we
went
through
and
discussed
it
and
said:
okay.
This
is
something
that
we
could
look
at
to
fit
into
the
charter,
it's
appropriate
for
the
charter.
So,
let's
see
what
would
be
best
to
fit
in
if
it
was
something
that
was
not
appropriate
for
the
charter.
We
still
had
the
conversation
to
say:
oh
okay.
Well,
we
will
make
sure
that
this
gets
scored
on
to
the
city
council
or
the
administration
to
address
this.
So
it
was
really.
P
I
mean
you,
I
believe
there
may
be
on
our
website,
but
these
folk,
the
focus
groups
came
up
with,
I
would
say,
a
large
package
of
information
on
the
research
that
they
did,
the
conversations
that
they
had
with
folks.
They
looked
at
other.
For
example,
we
had
folks
to
look
at
our
civilian
oversight,
police
commission.
They
looked
at
commissions
across
the
country.
They
looked
at
research
around
that
they
looked
at
best
practices
and
then
came
to
the
commission
to
say
here's
what
we
recommend
for
our
city.
P
So
I
really
just
wanted
to
really
stress
that
that
community
aspect-
and
I
know
you
all-
have
a
different
process
than
we
have,
because
our
charter
will
then
go
to
the
vote
by
the
people.
But
I
still
will
stress
that
process
for
you
all,
because
it
will
make
sure
that
folks
feel
that
they
are
a
part.
P
I
know
the
chair
mentioned
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
the
intention
to
make
sure
that
folks
have
feel
that
this
is
a
process
that
invites
everyone
and
their
viewpoints
and
that's
what
we
tried
to
achieve
as
well
in
our
process
to
make
sure
that
folks
knew
that
we
were
listening
to
everything
that
they
brought
forth
and
that
we
actually
want
to
take
action
on
what
we
as
a
collector,
felt
best
for
the
city.
So
I
wanted
to
put
that
forth
as
well.
N
Fantastic,
thank
you,
chair,
weaver,
any
additional
thoughts
for
me
before
we
open
up
the
questions
from
san
jose
charter.
Commissioners,
can
I.
D
Ask
could
I
ask
chair
weaver
if
you
all
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
product,
so
you
went
through
this
incredible
community
process,
but
then
you
came
up
with
what
I
think
is
fairly
unique
in
this
charter
review
governance
question
and
you
came
up
with
a
bill
of
rights
if
you
will
or
a
set
of
a
document
that
really
is
asking
detroit
to
do
something
very
different
and
I'd
love
for
you
to
talk
to
us
about
your
product
and
and
that,
because
that
to
me
is
a
critical
piece
of
information
that
we'd
love
to
hear
about.
O
The
draft
charter
I'd
like
to
defer
to
commissioner
mccampbell
because
we
really
have
some
very
progressive
revisions
and
most
of
them
came
from
commissioner
campbell's
subcommittee.
So,
mr
commissioner
campbell,
can
you
just
share
some
of
the
I
mean
we
just
have
some
amazing,
some
amazing
revisions.
So
if
you
could,
please
share
those
commissioner
campbell.
P
Absolutely
thank
you.
I,
and
I
would
say
you
mentioned
to
the
chair.
You
mentioned
the
detroit
of
bill
rice.
I
I
do
want
to
touch
on
that
for
just
one.
Second,
we
had
a
few
council
members
and,
and
community
organizations
come
up
with
a
coalition
and
what
they
did.
They
looked
at
various
areas
of
the
city,
governance
and
the
issues
they
looked
at
water.
They
looked
at
their
environmental
justice
issues,
they
looked
at
policing
and
the
militarization
of
our
police.
They
looked
at
transportation
and
green
space
and
recreation
right.
P
They
looked
at
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
that
they're,
the
immigrant
rights
and
they
looked
at
disability
rights
right,
and
so
they
really
took
a
look
at
all
of
the
they
had
an
inclusive
process,
and
then
they
brought
forth
this.
They
submitted
the
detroit
bill
of
rights
as
a
proposal,
a
revision
to
the
charter
and
what
I
can
share
about
this
charter
that
now
we
have
a
draft.
P
Our
final
draft
of
is
that
what
we
did
and
I
can
touch
on
a
few
things-
I'll
touch
on
water-
for
an
example
of
first
in
the
city
of
detroit,
we
have
had
a,
I
would
say,
on
a
nash
on
a
on,
I
would
say,
a
large-scale
problem
with
water
shutoffs
in
the
city
of
detroit.
P
A
lot
of
families
have
gone
without
access
to
water
and
you've
had
a
lot
of
folks
put
forth
proposals
to
ensure
that
folks
have
access
to
water
and
also
have
affordable
rates,
and
detroit
back
in
2005
actually
adopted
a
water
affordability
plan,
similar
to
what
we
see
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
P
But
what
the
city
council
approved
that,
but
it
was
never
put
into
place
and
advocates
continue
to
go
back
to
the
city
and
say:
hey.
You
know,
tens
of
thousands
of
families
are
facing
water
shelves.
We
have
to
do
something
about
it
right
and
we
got
to
the
charter
process
and
they
put
forth
this
water
affordability
plan,
which
says
that
we
understand
that
folks
want
to
pay
in
the
system
and
we
want
folks
to
pay
into
the
system.
P
But
we
also
want
this
to
be
affordable
rate
for
families
that
no
family
should
go
without
access
to
water.
So
what
we
did
we
put
it
into
the
charter,
a
water
affordability
clause
that
says
one.
You
cannot
shut
off
water
to
folks,
especially
if
they
are
have
children
at
home
if
they
are
facing.
If
they
are
impoverished,
if
they
have
folks
who
have.
P
Impacted
health
or
anything
like
that.
We
put
those
revisions
in,
but
we
also
said
you
know
we
have
folks
who
cannot
pay
their
water
bills
so
but
want
to
pay,
but
they
can't
pay
because
they
have
large
late
fees.
So
we
said
we
we
want
to
see
to
come
up
with
a
plan
to
address
that
to
ensure
that
folks
have
water
so
that
we
have
a
very
progressive
water,
affordability
piece
in.
We
also
said
you
know
our
police
force
as
we
see
across
the
country.
P
You
see
police
forces
become
more
and
more
militarized
and
and
they're
doing
this
through
the
1033
federal
program.
So
we
said,
actually
our
police
force
is
not
a
paramilitary
force
right.
We
want
them
to
be
a
community
police
department
and
and
to
build
those
relationships
with
folks
in
the
city,
so
actually
we're
going
to
put
limitations
on
the
militarization,
the
ability
to
accept
and
receive
donations
of
militarized
equipment
for
police.
P
We
also
strengthened
our
over
civilian
oversight
of
our
police
and
and
make
sure
that
folks
will
have
a
robust
complaint
system
if
they
put
it
in
and
that
they
have
folks
who
will
actually
get
back
with
them.
Detroit
is
at
the
was
one
of
the
first
cities,
if
the
first
city
to
have
a
civilian
oversight,
body
or
our
board
of
police
commissioners,
but
we
we
got
input
from
the
commission
itself
and
community
members
on.
P
P
I
talked
on
health
and
and
mind
you
to
remind
folks
we
were
taking
up
these
proposals
as
the
culver
19
pandemic
started,
so
we
were
talking
about
access
to
water
while
the
top.
The
top
thing
that
folks,
who
were
being
told
during
cover
19,
were
to
wash
your
hands
and
we
knew
we
had
families
in
the
city
who
were
not
able
to
wash
their
hands.
P
We
also
were
going
through
this.
While
we
knew
that
the
charter
did
not
provide
much
of
any
direction
on
the
health
department,
we
have
a
health
department
and
and
the
administration
has
come
up
with
a
form
of
a
health
department.
But
what
we
said
we
said:
okay,
we
actually
no
matter
who
is
the
mayor,
no
matter
who
is
the
city
council?
P
We
want
to
make
sure
we
have
a
robust
health
department
that
addresses
physical,
emotional
and
and
mental
health
of
our
residents
and
and
we
put
forth
a
robust
health
department
there,
but
to
also
ensure
that
the
accommodations
and
restaurants
and
nursing
homes
and
long-term
living
facilities
had
the
oversight
that
they
needed.
Also,
we
also
have
put
in,
like
I
said
we
have
a
civilian
oversight
of
police,
we
put
in
a
civilian
oversight
of
our
fire
department.
P
We
have
folks
come
to
us
very
concerned
about
there
not
being
oversight
of
a
fire
department
who
has
quite
a
bit
of
budget
and
assets
as
well,
and
then
I
I
don't.
I
definitely
want
to
get
to
more
questions,
but
just
to
touch
on
some
other
revisions.
P
We,
the
chair,
chair
weaver,
mentioned
that
we
went
through
bankruptcy
in
the
city
of
detroit,
the
largest
municipal
bankruptcy
in
the
country's
history,
and
we
saw
that
in
the
effect
of
that
bankruptcy,
we
had.
Pensioners
really
impacted
by
that.
We
have
folks
who
have
dedicated
decades
of
their
lives
to
the
city
and
in
one
action
their
pensions
were
cut.
P
In
our
charter,
we
put
in
protections
on
what
we
call
wage
standard
boards
to
take
a
look
at
the
wages
across
the
city,
not
to
impose
wage
floors
or
because
we're
we're
prevented
from
doing
it
by
state
law
for
preemption,
but
to
say
that
at
least
there's
data
out
there
to
look
at
the
the
environment
of
wages
in
the
city
so
that
there
can
be
some
action
around
that.
And
finally,
what
I'll
say
we
we
made
sure
where
I
was
going
on
a
bankruptcy.
The
bankruptcy
really
impacted.
P
The
ability
to
enforce
the
charter
it
it
gave
bankruptcy
and
we
have
an
emergency
financial
manager
system.
That's
a
whole
other
session
that
I
would
need
with
folks,
but
that
would
that
really
took
away
local
control
and
local
and
our
ability
to
control
our
local
government
and
in
that
process
they
suspended
a
lot
of
things
that
were
in
the
2012
charter.
P
So
what
we
put
in
the
charter,
where
clause
is
to
ensure
that
our
charter
was
enforced
and
that
our
corporate
account
our
corporation
council
was
our
city's
lawyer
actually
enforced
our
charter,
because
we're
not
seeing
that
currently.
So
I
I
just
want
to
give
a
view
on
the
way
that
we
try
to
look
at
the
structure
of
the
city.
We
address
the
issues
that
are
impacting
folks
in
the
city
and
we
really
created
with
the
various
ways
of
advisory
commissions,
a
way
for
folks
to
be
involved
in
city
governors
as
well.
N
Fantastic
and
speaking
of
mr
satchel,
I
see
he
is
with
us
now,
megan
or
tony,
can
you
promote
lamont
satchel
to
panelist
and
I
might
want
to
just
give
him
a
minute
or
two
to
say
hello
and
then
we'll
I've
got
a
stack
going
here
of
san
jose
commissioners,
hello,
mr
satchel.
Thanks
for
joining
us.
F
G
N
Heard
from
chair
weaver
and
commissioner
mccampbell,
and
I
think,
if
you
have
just
a
couple
minutes
to
share
your
perspective
on
how
you
supported
the
detroit
charter,
commission
and
any
recommendations
you
might
give
to
to
this
charter
review.
Commission,
especially
with
regards
to
to
the
outside
council
and-
and
I
think
I
heard
commissioner
mccabe
will
say
that
you're
a
city
attorney
for
for
the
city
of
detroit.
Is
that
correct.
H
Well,
I
was
I'm
the
general
counsel
for
the
charter
commission.
I.
N
H
You
laurence
and
hello
everyone
again.
I
apologize
for
my
tardiness.
My
name
is
ahmad
sacho
I
had
the
I
don't
know.
I
guess
the
distinction
of
now
and
serving
for
general
general
college
for
the
current
commission
before
the
prior
commission
in
2008
the
2008
charter
revision
commission.
H
So
I
have
quite
a
bit
of
experience
working
with
with
charter
commissions,
and
I
know
one
of
the
things
you
want
me
to
speak
to
was
sort
of
how
to
make
sure,
there's
equity
in
the
document,
but
I'd
like
to
sort
of
just
quickly
talk
about
the
process,
which
I
think
is
very
important
and
my
recommendation
is
this
begin.
With
the
end
in
mind,
I
don't
I
assume
that
your
charter
has
to
be
approved
by
the
voters
and
if
that's
the
case,
that's
what
you
need.
A
Q
N
H
H
My
recommendation
still
obtains,
I
think
you,
you
need
to
make
sure
that
you
craft
and
put
together
a
document
that
has
wide
support
and
input
from
all
of
your
stakeholders
and
when
I
say,
stakeholders,
I'm
not
just
talking
about
within
city
government,
I
mean
anyone
who
can
be
and
is
impacted
by
that
charter.
H
And
I
don't
know
what
the
process
is
or
or
or
or
the
format
of
your
of
your
charter
is.
But
you
have
to
think
very
broadly
about
everyone
who
could
be
impacted
by
it,
because
those
are
the
individuals
who
will
bring
to
bear
the
types
of
political
pressure
or
input
to
the
council
to
make
sure
that
what
you,
the
doctrine
you
put
together,
is
given
due
consideration
and
adopted
by
the
by
the
by
the
council.
H
H
I
think
that's
very
important
to
do
that,
so
that
there's
always
a
connection
between
the
commission
and
and
the
stakeholders
and
there's
someone
who
they
could
quickly
get
in
contact
with
if
they
have
any
issues
or
want
to
discuss
a
matter
related
to
the
to
that
group
or
that
that
proposal.
H
The
other
thing
is,
I
think,
what
you
need
to
do
is
early
on
think
about
sort
of
buckets
of
topics
and
where
you're
going
to
place
certain
proposals
that
that
come
in
organizing
the
effort
is,
I
think,
is
very
extremely
important.
The
last
commission
we
had
about
500
and
something
individual
revisions
which
I
know
very
well,
because
I
had
to
go
through
each
one
of
them
and
provide
an
analysis
of
them.
H
We
had
about
three
four
hundred
with
this
with
this
commission,
so
it's
very
important
that
you
begin
the
process
to
start
to
organize
a
way
to
review
and
categorize
the
different
revisions
that
will
be
submitted
to
you,
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
with
the
prior
commission
and
we
attempted
to
do
with
this
commission,
but
we
didn't
get
a
chance
to
because
of
the
pandemic
was
we
had
what
we
call
a
constitutional
convention
right
where
so
our
process
was.
H
We
solicited
the
revisions
each
in
this
case,
the
current
commission.
They
came
through
committees,
the
committees
decided
which
ones
they
wanted
to
take
for
bring
forward
to
the
full
committee
of
the
whole
for
adoption,
and
things
culminated
into
a
discussion
draft.
So
once
the
once,
the
commission
decided
here's
the
things
that
we
want.
We
want
to
go
with.
We
created
a
discussion
draft,
which
was
basically
the
charter
with
all
the
revisions
circulated
out
to
all
the
stakeholders.
H
H
The
discussion
draft
is
very
important
and
when
you
do
the
discussion
draft,
one
thing
I
would
suggest
you
do
is
commentary
right
because,
as
some
if
this
is
adopted
at
some
point,
if
a
legal
issue
comes
up
as
to
what
was
the
effect,
what
was
meant
by
a
certain
provision
courts
will
likely
look
to
the
commentary.
H
We
had
the
case
here
where
the
current
mayor
ran
for
mayor
the
first
term
and
he
missed
the
deadline
and
he
claimed
that
he
met
the
requirements
of
the
charter
court,
look
to
the
charter
commentary
and
says
clear
from
the
commentary.
What
was
meant
by
the
language
there
and
you
missed
it.
The
other
thing
is.
The
commentary
is
very
important
for
purposes
of
garnering
support
for
what
you've
done
right,
because
you
make
a
change
right
and
folk.
H
H
If
you
will
the
charter,
because,
as
you
use
that
document
as
it
goes
out,
it's
a
way
of
garnering
support
and
educating
the
public
with
respect
to
what
was
changed
and
why
it
was
changed,
and
I
would
suggest
that
you
be
very
liberal
in
your
explanation
with
respect
to
what
change
was
made
and
why
it
was
made
and
the
impact
that
you
believed
it
is
going
to
make
as
a
result
of
of
the
change.
H
As
far
as
is
is
equity.
I
think
one
of
the
things
to
look
at
is-
and
I
know
we
did
this
with
our
prior
commission
and
the
current
commission
is
what
are
sort
of
the
hot
topics
of
the
day.
What
are
the
issues
out
in
the
community
right
now
that
really
need
to
be
addressed
back
with
the
prior
commission
would
come
out
of
some
issues
with
respect
to
the
mayor
who
ended
up
being
going
to
jail.
H
So
there
was
this
big
push
to
put
in
place
measures
to
prove,
to
hold
government
accountable
and
to
prevent
abuse
of
government
right,
so
we're
not
putting
inspector
general
in
into
city,
city,
government
and
office
of
inspector
general.
We
made
other
ethical
changes
in
terms
of
putting
together
an
ethics
policy
and
did
other
things
with
respect
to
removing
political
figures
and
appointees
from
office
that
they
engaged
in
certain
practices.
H
With
this
current
commission,
one
of
the
issues
that's
come
up
is
equity
in
terms
of
race
right,
and
so
we
decided
to
put
together
a
commission
to
ask
for
some
reparations
to
look
at
the
issue.
What
what's
the
involvement
of
the
city
of
detroit
government
in
the
slave
trade
and
in
systemic
racism?
H
We've
also
looked
at
issues
with
respect
to
affordable
housing
right
and
putting
some
language
in
there
that
allows
the
city
government
to
take
into
consideration
an
adjusted
ami
that
is
lower
enough
for
individuals
within
the
city
to
qualify
for
for
housing
award.
Affordability
was
a
big
issue
here.
You
probably
have
heard
about
that
in
detroit
clearly
inflicted
up
and
fled,
but
with
a
lot
of
water
shut
off.
Here
in
the
in
the
city,
among
low-income
individuals,
and
it
sort
of
the
perfect
storm
happened
because
it
happened
during
the
pandemic
right.
H
So
you
could
imagine
what
the
the
backlash
of
that
was.
So
we
put
some
language
in
the
charter
that
talks
about
affordable
water
process
and
programs
for
water,
affordability
and
the
like.
H
Resp,
we
put
the
language
in
there
to
inspect
a
responsible
contract,
make
sure
that
the
city
government
engages
in
practices
with
respect
to
contractors
that
allow
for
equity
in
in
and
how
they
go
about
contracting
with
outside
entities
for
for
the
city.
There's
a
whole
range
of
things
we
put
in
there,
the
last
commission.
One
of
the
things
we
put
in
was
there's
a
big
issue
in
the
city
of
detroit
was
with
respect
to,
for
instance,
car
insurance.
H
Insurance
is
just
it
is
you
wouldn't
believe
the
prices?
So
we
knew
at
that
time
that
there
was
a
legal
issue
with
with
putting
that
in
the
charter,
but
we
framed
it
in
such
a
way
that
we
put
an
obligation
on
the
city
government
to
take
every
means
and
every
measure
to
do
what
was
necessary
to
address
and
lower
the
cost
for
insurance
and
the
result
of
it.
H
When
the
numerator
came
in
him,
he
going
to
the
state
legislature
and
working
on
a
deal
where
we
ended
up
getting
very
low,
lower
insurance
rates
here
in
the
city
of
detroit,
but
a
lot
of
that
would
not
have
happened.
Had
there
not
been
a
requirement
in
the
charter
requiring
that
that
to
happen.
So
I
say
that
to
say
this:
that,
and
that
brings
up
this
issue.
You
have
to
decide
early
on.
H
What
is
the
nature
of
your
charter
right?
Is
it
aspirational
or
is
it
more
I'll,
say,
legislative
right?
And
what's
that
balance?
H
Because,
if
you
don't
have
that
discussion,
you
you
down
the
line
you're
going
to
run
into
issues
where
folk
are
saying:
that's
not
something
that
should
be
in
the
charter
and
you're
now
trying
to
defend
and
think
about
something
that
you
didn't
think
about
in
the
beginning
right,
so
you
need
to
say
to
yourself.
Okay,
look
have
that
discussion
and
hash
it
out
with
each
other
right,
because
someone
said
it's
just
aspirational.
You
set
the
framework,
I
would
say
no,
no!
No!
No!
H
We
can
be
more
specific
with
respect
to
directing
government
to
do
things
that
normally
would
not
be
in
the
charter.
So
to
the
extent
that
your
charter
allows
that
type
of
flexibility.
I
think
you
have
to
have
that
discussion,
because
you're
going
to
run
into
a
situation
where
you
know
you
want
to
do
something
and
it's
not
something
that
you
would
generally
find
in
a
constitution,
and
so
my
advice
would
be
don't
get
caught
up
on
these
niceties
of
you
know
what
traditionally
a
constitution
is
and
a
charter.
H
If
the
charter
allows
the
flexibility
for
you
to
to
be
more
progressive
and
more
legislative
and
prescriptive.
With
respect
to
what
you
put
in
there
take
advantage
of
that
to
the
extent
that
it
makes
sense
right
now,
I'm
not
saying
you
turn
the
charter
into
a
city
code,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
you
should
not
be
afraid
to
speak
through
the
charter
on
an
issue
that,
for
instance,
in
our
case
we've
seen
that
city
councils
have
been
shy
to
speak
to
for
whatever
political
reason
they
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
issue
right.
H
They
would
love
someone
else
to
deal
with
the
issue
and
it
was
in
the
charter.
Oh
we're
forced
to
do
it
we'll
do
it,
but
it's
something
that
they
don't
want
to.
You
can't
get
any
agreement
with
respect
to
a
consensus
with
respect
to
the
city
council
to
do
something.
H
So
if
there
are
things
like
that,
where
you
know
hey,
this
has
been
a
you
know,
a
hot
button
item
for
20
30
years
and
everyone's
been
scared
to
do
something
about
it
right
and
if
you
think
it
has
the
support
of
of
of
of
the
voters
or
significant
stakeholders,
then
I
would
offer
it
up
and
say:
look
here's
something!
We
think
that
that
you
know
this
charter.
They
need
to
be
incorporating
the
charter
that
you
need
to
that.
You
need
to
deal
with.
N
N
F
Yes,
thank
you,
and
I
want
to
thank
chair
weaver,
commissioner
mccampbell
and
mr
satchel
for
coming
out
tonight.
Your
process
is
like
just
it's
fascinating
to
me
right
now.
I
I
try
to
search
just
to
get
some
information
about
the
proposed
changes,
so
I
actually
wanted
to
I'm
going
to
try
to
focus
my
questions
just
on
a
few
high-level
topics
in
the
first
in
terms
of.
N
F
Okay,
well,
in
which
case,
then,
let's
start
with
one
question
here.
The
one
thing
I
actually
have
been
trying
to
kind
of
determine
is
whether
or
not
the
city
of
detroit
is
more
of
a
council
manager
system
or
a
mayor
council
system,
and
I
think
I
found
the
answer
it's
not
expressed
in
what
I've
looked
at,
but
I
wanted
to
get
here
just
to
verify
from
you
all
which
model
the
city
of
detroit
subscribes
to.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Any.
N
Follow-Up
on
that
one,
commissioner,
tran,
no.
L
P
I
can
I
can
start
in
if
other
folks
want
to
lean
in
so
part
of
that
was
our
change
that
we
made
in
this
charter
before
there
was
seven
elected
by
district,
and
then
we
had
four
appointed
by
the
mayor.
We,
we
got
quite
a
few
strong
proposals
to
come
in,
to
say
that
folks
wanted
a
elected,
only
police
commission.
One
of
the
reasons.
P
Why
is
that
folks
saw
a
conflict
with
the
mayor,
appointing
folks
to
the
commission,
but
also
being
the
supervisor
and
and
selecting
the
police
chief?
So
we
made
it
a
elected
by
one
per
district:
seven
member
commission:
the
commission
is
funded
through
the
city's
budget
through
the
general
fund
and
lastly,
they
have
they
have
a
wide
range
of
functions
and
duties.
One
specific
one
is
the
investigation
of
civilian
complaints
of
also
of
any
wrongdoing
of
police
officers,
and
they
also
provide
oversight
of
the
police
department.
P
One
thing
that
we
we
strengthen
in
this
charter
is
the
oversight
over
the
budget,
the
oversight
over
promotions
and
appointments
of
the
police
chief.
So
we
we
strengthen
some
of
those
duties
as
well,
but
if
the
chair
or
general
counsel
has
any
more
to
add,
please
do.
H
Just
real,
quick
prior
to
2012
the
prior
charter
commission,
the
every
one
of
those
members
of
the
detroit
police
commission,
was
selected
by
the
mayor
when
we
went
to
a
district
system
several
years
ago,
we
allowed
for
seven
of
them
to
be
elected
one
from
each
of
the
seven
districts
with
the
mayor.
H
Appointing
I
think
was
four
four
members,
and
I
remember
that,
because
I
was
pushing
that
you
got
to
have
allow
the
mayor
to
appoint
some
folk,
because
the
concern
was
that
le
mans
may
be
popular,
but
lamont
may
not
be
someone
who
really
understands
police
operations,
and
so
you
at
least
want
to
have
some
expertise,
apparently
that
you
know
that
didn't
work
out.
So
we
ended
up
changing
it
in
the
current
version
of
of
the
charter
with
respect
to
how
they
are
selected.
H
The
other
thing
that
the
note
is
that
we
gave.
H
We
put
some
some
structure
and
some
strictures
on
the
police
department
with
respect
to
its
engagement
in
certain
practices
and
the
use
of
certain
equipment.
So
now,
in
order
to
engage
in
certain
practices
and
certain
use
certain
equipment,
it
has
to
be
approved
by
the
city
council
pursuant
to
a
ordinance
that
has
to
be
put
in
place.
H
So
now
there
has
to
be
an
ordinance
that
has
to
be
put
in
place,
and
the
city
council
has
to
now
in
the
you
know
in
in
it
before
the
public,
to
get
the
ordinance
and
adopt
whether
or
not
a
certain
practice
or
certain
practice,
procedure
or
or
item
can
be
used
by
the
the
police
department.
N
F
Yeah
yeah
thanks.
Thank
you
very
much
for
for
your
expertise
and
sharing
your
your
experiences
with
us.
I
had
a
question
more
about
process
and
particularly,
I
think
all
three
of
you
mentioned
different
aspects
of
community
outreach.
That's
something
as
commission!
We've
we've
talked
a
lot
about,
but
what
what
kinds
of
things
have
you
learned
to
be
in
your
experience
to
be
effective
in
terms
of
getting
information
and
input
from
community
members
who
might
not
always
be
sort
of,
maybe
the
most
active
in
in
city
politics?
F
You
know
people
who
have
a
lot
of
stake
in
what
city
government
does,
but
you
know
maybe
hasn't
been
as
active.
How
did
you
go
about
doing
that
kind
of
work
to
make
sure
you're
you're
having
an
you,
know,
inclusive,
set
of
voices
and
did
what
kinds
of
resources
did
you
have
at
your
disposal
as
a
commission
to
to
make
that
more
effective.
H
For
my
folk,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
can
tell
what
we
did
with
the
last
the
last
time,
then
maybe
the
commissioner
campbell
commissioner,
we
can
talk
about
what
we've
done
this
time.
H
The
last
time
we
did
was
we
sent
our
stakeholder
letters
to
every
conceivable
stakeholder
in
the
ecumenical
community,
philanthropic
community
government,
community
economic
community,
every
sector
and
their
publications
and
books,
and
that
sort
of
have
who
these
individuals
are
and
then,
of
course,
the
commissioners
had
ties
to
these
organizations,
whether
unions
or
whatever,
so
we
sent
out,
I
don't
know,
must
have
been
100
or
so
different
letters
to
these
individuals.
Let
me
know
that
we're
engaged
in
this
process,
here's
how
you
can
participate,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
ways
we
did
it.
H
O
And
with
this
time
we
sent
out
emails
but
I'll
give
an
example
for
our
first
meeting
we
had
almost
300
people,
so
we
have
always
had
a
number
of
people.
Like
I
said
we
sent
out
emails,
some
people
would
email
us
back,
but
really
it
was
the
participants
that
came
to
the
meeting
that
were
the
most
active,
but
for
you
now,
since
we
have
cove
in
it
and
everybody's
on
zoom,
I
think
it
would
be
if
you
send
out
an
email
blast
you
could
have.
O
I
don't
know
a
couple
of
hundred
people
on
the
zoom
call.
If
you
want
it.
H
And
this
time
too,
maybe
christopher
kim
will
talk
about
the
focus
groups
that
we
had.
P
I
think
the
focus
focus
groups
were
essential.
I
think,
in
addition
to
what
folks
have
lifted
up
about
letters
and
emails,
the
community
organizations
that
I
talked
about
are
are
key
and
getting
to
those
folks
that
you're
mentioning
on
who
may
not
be
involved
in
city
government.
But
I
would
even
say,
service
organizations
that
that
are
are
going
to
folks
that,
whether
it's
issues
around
poverty,
whether
it's
issues
around
for
in
our
case
it
was
water.
Those
groups
are
working
directly
with
folks
on
the
ground.
P
They
have
those
direct
stories
and
also
have
the
direct
line
to
those
folks
that
may
get
something
from
a
church
commission
and
say
I'm
too
busy
for
to
engage,
but
they
they
will
either
have
already
talked
to
those
organizations
or
have
trust
in
those
organizations
to
to
get
that
information
as
well.
H
And
quickly,
as
you
categorize,
the
different
topics
buckets
as
I
talked
about
earlier.
That
will
help
you
to
determine.
Okay,
who
are
the
would
be
the
people
in
the
organization's
most
interested
in
these
issues,
and
so
you
can
start
you
can
target
them
stay
on
them,
but
hey.
We
want
you
involved
in
this
process
and
if
they
see
that
there
can
be
an
opportunity
to
benefit
them
to
deal
with
some
issue,
more
than
likely
they'll
come
on
board
and
provide
some
input.
N
Great,
thank
you.
So
I've
got
commissioner
sanchez
and
commissioner
robledo.
I
saw
you
raise
your
hand.
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
share
anything.
No
okay,
so
I've
got
commissioner
sanchez
bruce
and
matsumura.
C
I
you
know
I
was
going
to
ask
about
the
public
participation,
the
input,
and
I
think
that
commissioner,
first
of
all
asked
that
question.
So
it's
been
pretty
well
answered.
C
It
was
good
to
see
how
early
on
you
had
the
meetings
at
the
different
recreational
centers
throughout
the
council,
districts
and
and
then,
of
course,
after
after
covert.
Then
you
couldn't
do
that
anymore,
so
so
we're
trying
to
see
how
how
best
we
can
elicit
public
input
right
now,
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
the
cover
era
that
we
find
ourselves
in.
But
thank
you
all
three
of
you
you've
been
very,
very
informative.
H
All
right
quickly,
one
way
to
do
that
is
in
the
in
the
different
areas:
pre
covert.
You
know
we
could
go
through
those
different
areas.
What
you
could
do
is
you
could
literally
go
to
an
era
virtually
just
have.
Whoever
is
the
most
influential
people
in
the
area
sort
of
sponsor
the
meeting,
and
so
they
can
garner
the
support
of
the
folk
in
that
area
in
terms
of
participating
in
the
meeting
great.
Thank
you
good
great.
F
You
know
here
in
san
jose
we
have
a
very
uni
unique
opportunity
to
be
really
specific,
with
our
mayoring
council
about
what
the
needs
that
we
are.
We
need
for
for
funding
to
help
strengthen
the
work
of
our
commission
and
just
love
to
ask
you
know:
why
did
you,
I
guess
in
the
hiring
process?
Why
did
you
choose
to
go
with
outside
counsel.
H
I
can
explain
that
from
the
prior
commission
and
then
I'll.
Let
the
current
commission
explain
that
so
historically,
with
the
detroit
charter
commissions,
they
have
always
just
been
allowed
to
hire
their
staff
and
here's.
Why?
Because
it's
different
here,
the
our
charter,
commission
is
independent,
they're,
independently
elected
by
the
voters,
and
so
as
the
homo
city
act,
would
sort
of
govern
the
process.
G
H
That's
a
strong
mayor
how
many
city
council
people
you
have
so
we
have
a
very
powerful
position
and
opportunity
to
structure
city
government,
so
everyone
agreed.
It
was
a
gentle
person's
agreement
that
you
know
we
will
allow
you
to
hire
your
own
staff
and
allow
you
to
write
the
charter.
As
you
see
fit,
without
undue
influence
of
the
of
the
elected
officials
and
to
the
extent
that
we
participate
the
city
government
it'll
just
be
through
funding,
you
will
give
you
the
funding
and
you
know:
leave
you
to
your
own
devices.
O
And
that's
the
exact
reason
why
we
we
went
with
independent
council
now,
our
our
general
counsel
sacho.
He
does
work
with
the
city's
general
counsel,
but
we
wanted
an
independent
and
the
people
and
the
citizens
of
the
city
of
detroit
le
we're
very
specific.
We
need
our
own
general
counsel.
H
So
I
work
cooperatively
as
chairman
chairwoman
weavers.
I
work
very
cooperatively
with
the
with
the
city's
attorney
and
other
folk
on
the
on
the
city
side.
I
think
that's
very
important,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
I
know
who
my
client
is
and
what
their
interests
are
and
what
they
do,
what
they
want.
H
You
know,
irrespective
of
whether
or
not
the
city
sees
that
it's
appropriate
or
of
benefit
to
them,
but
it's
very
important
that
you
have
that
you
have
full
court
independent,
providing
you
advice
and
giving
you
assistance
in
the
drafting
of
it,
because
there's
going
to
be
times
when
you
come
up
with
something
that
may
not
be
favorable
to
the
city
or
city
council,
and
there
is
the
potential
that,
if
someone
who
works
for
them
also
works
for
you,
you
know
you
are
temporary.
H
They're
permanent,
they
may
tend
to
you,
know,
be
skewed
in
terms
of
how
they
interpret
or
provide
assistance
to
you.
So
you
want
as
much
independence
as
possible
in
your
process
and
and
and
you
should
establish
that
early
on
with
city
council
and
have
them
respect
that
it's
sort
of
hands
off
you
do
what
you
need
to
do.
You
bring
it
to
us
and
we'll
objectively
look
at
what
you're
doing,
but
we
won't
interfere
in
the
process
while
you're
doing
it.
N
J
Thank
you.
So
much
just
want
to
echo
what
my
colleagues
have
said
about
how
incredibly
helpful
this
is.
I
wanted
to
pick
up
on
a
point
that
mr
satchel
raised
sort
of
about
that
aspirational
versus
legislative
approach
to
the
charter
and-
and
I
believe
commissioner
mccampbell-
you
touched
upon
it
as
well
when
you
described
the
process
of
community
members,
members
of
the
public
stakeholders
bringing
forward
recommendations
and
then
an
assessment
that
the
committees
had
to
conduct
of
which
recommendations
should
proceed
to
the
full
commission
and
belonged
in
the
charter.
J
So
can
you
say
more
about
the
process
and
criteria,
because
this
this
seems
like
a
very
difficult
assessment
of
what
belongs
in
the
charter
versus
versus
what
you
know
should
still
be
forwarded
to
city
council
of
the
administration.
But
you
know
for
other
considerations.
J
P
And
I
can
I'll
touch
on
then
the
folks
want
to
chime
in
one
thing
that
I
want
to
us
as
a
as
a
tool
that
we
use
each
proposal.
We
each
sub
committee
used
a
recommendation
form
and
within
that
recommendation,
form
we.
We
will
put
the
proposal
if
they
had.
If
there
was
current
language
in
the
charter.
That
talked
to
the
issue
that
they
were
addressing.
Some
folks
will
put
in
their
proposals
that
they
want
to
amend
the
session
section
of
it.
P
They
would
some
would
be
a
new
section
or
they
want
to
strike.
So
we
would
go
down
and
do
that.
We
will
also
look
at
any
relevant
ordinances
that
are
currently
on
the
books
that
spoke
to
that
issue
right.
So
it
may
be
that
again,
I
think,
first
and
foremost,
if
you
saw
that
there
was
an
ordinance,
we
would
say
this
is
an
ordinance
matter.
It
has
to
go
to
city
council,
but
we
also
looked
at
state
law.
P
If
there
was
any
state
law
that
governed
it
and
was
not
in
the
city's
hand
or
the
county
or
anything
like
that
or
federal
law.
And
then
we
took
a
look
at
the
legal
aspects
of
the
actual
proposal
and
that's
where
we
leaned
on
general
counsel,
quite
a
bit
one
on
on
how
if
it
was
legal,
how
this
would
play
with
the
city
charter
or
if
it
was
a
city
ordinance,
and
then
we
did
a
financial
analysis
as
well.
P
P
So,
as
you'll
see
as
I
as
I
talked
about
the
water
affordability
plan,
we
put
a
number
to
say
that
we
believe
that
the
water
for
that
water
bills
should
not
be
more
than
three
percent
of
a
person's
income,
but
we
leave
it
up
to
the
city,
council
and
and
the
department
to
create
that
water
affordability
plan
right.
P
P
We
said
that
the
city
should
take
all
the
efforts
that
they
can
to
increase
youth
opportunity,
so
that
was
also
kind
of
the
framework
that
we
we
went
through
to
say:
how
can
we
get
to
the
the
result
that
we
want
by
encouraging
and,
as
the
general
counsel
said,
that
you
know
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
city
council
administration
didn't
want
to
take
action
on?
P
H
Yeah
one
thing
I
just
just
quickly
say
is
it's
very
important
to
one
of
the
things
I
did
with
the
prior
commission
and
with
this
commission
was
put
together
the
form
that
commissioner
mccable
talked
about,
which
sort
of
structured
how
a
proposal
would
be
will
be
reviewed
right,
so
we're
looking
at
okay.
What
is
what
what
is
your
your
proposed
revision?
H
What
laws,
whether
it's
an
ordinance
or
state
law,
applies
right
due
to
this
thing
that
you
can't
cost
out
whether
that
would
be
a
cost
associated
with
that,
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we
tried
to
do
was
this
when
you
send
me
a
proposal,
give
me
all
the
backup
data
and
information
with
respect
to
that
right.
So
don't
just
say
we
need
to
do
this.
H
Tell
me
what
your
opponent
would
say
against
this
right,
because
it
helps
the
commissioners
when
they're
debating
in
committee
and
thinking
through
the
issue,
to
understand
what
will
be
the
opposition
to
this,
and
so,
if
they
want
to
make
an
informed
decision
with
respect
to
a
revision
that
they're
urging
it's
good
to
know
what.
What
would
the
opposition
say
with
respect
to
this?
And
so
typically,
if
I,
if
someone
is
a
supporter
of
something
they
know
what
the
other
side
is
going
to
say.
H
So,
tell
me
what
they're
going
to
say
and
how
you
would
address
that.
It's
very
important
early
on
that.
You
have
as
much
information
as
possible
when
you
start
to
deliberate
and
think
through
the
efficacy
of
the
revisions
that
you're
going
to
receive,
and
it
should
be
ingrained
and
embedded
in
the
documents
that
you
use
so
that
when
you're
going
through
the
process,
you're
forced
to
think
about
issues
a
certain
way
and
look
at
the
pros
and
cons
of
them.
And
what
are
the
unlikely
objections
to
them?
H
But
what
does
the
legal
ramifications
and
other
laws
that
would?
What
would
impact
that?
That
decision
that,
because
that's
where
the
work
is
done
once
once
that's
had
that's
hashed
out,
the
drafting
is
a
lot
easier.
I
always
found
that
the
draft
was
a
lot
easier
when
the
commissioners
really
thought
through
something,
and
that
was
something
that
was
a
benefit
this
time,
because
they
really
thought
through
the
the
proposals
with
the
last
commission.
H
We
didn't
do
committees,
so
people
gave
revisions
and
then
me
and
ex
me,
and
the
executive
director
sat
down
and
had
to
do
what
the
each
commissioner
did
to
the
pros
and
cons.
And
but
it
was
a
lot
easier
this
time,
because
the
commissioners
thought
through
each
of
those
revisions
through
their
committees
and
brought
them
forward,
irrespective
of
whether
or
not
they
agreed
with
them
right.
So
they
could
bring
every
proposal.
They
came,
they
brought
forward,
but
what
they
did.
H
N
Great,
thank
you
very,
very
helpful.
So
we
have.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
get
to
questions
from
commissioner
vice
chair
johnson
and
commissioner
fuentes
and
then
we'll
we'll
wrap
up
vice
chair
johnson.
E
Thank
you,
lauren
thank
you,
chair
weaver,
commissioner
mccampbell
and
mr
satchel
for
sharing
your
expertise
and
experience
with
us.
So
my
question
is
more
about
how
do
you
engage
with
the
public
during
public
meetings
and
hearings?
Was
it
a
standard
two
minutes?
Can
you
talk
more
about
that
process?
Please.
O
Our
public
comments
would
sometimes
go
one
in
two
hours
long,
but
we
wanted
to
give
each
and
every
person
who
came
to
our
meetings,
who
stayed
through
public
comments,
a
chance
to
have
their
voice,
and
so
that's
what
we
did
and
we
continue
to
this
day
now
now
we're
on
zoom.
You
know
we
still
get
each
person
two
minutes
now
there.
Now
we
occasionally
will
have
someone,
that's
handicapped.
O
H
And
one
thing
I'll
suggest
is
that
you
be
very
strategic.
I
know
this
current
commission
was
very
strategic
with
respect
to
when
you
allow
public
comment
right.
Typically,
public
comment
is
done
after
decision
is
made
right,
and
so
you
can
imagine
I'm
like
well
heck.
You
know
you
made
the
decision.
I
can't
comment
on
it.
All
I'm
commenting
on
is
is
whether
or
not
you
made
a
good
or
bad
decision.
H
I
had
no
input
into
the
decision
because
you've
already
made
it
so
one
of
the
things
that
this
commission
did
was
during
the
phase
where
they
were
adopting
we're
going
to
adopt
or
not
adopt
a
proposal.
They
allow
public
comment
before
that,
so
that
the
public
public
could
inform
them
with
respect
to
those
proposals
that
they
just
talked
about.
So
they
would
talk
about.
H
Each
of
the
proposals
then
go
to
public
comment
that
the
public
comment
on
whatever
and
then
they
take
a
vote
and
I
think
that's
very
important
in
terms
of
garnering
public
support
for
the
document.
Otherwise,
what
you
have
just
a
lot
of
angry
people
mad
at
you
for
making
a
decision
without
the
input.
N
All
right,
thank
you.
Let's
have
our
last
question
from
commissioner
fuentes
before
we
need
to
to
wrap
up
with
the.
G
G
Thank
you
excuse
me
welcome
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
tonight,
as
your
experience
has
been
really
it's
amazing.
What
you've
been
doing
so
I
understand
now
your
recommendations
are
with
the
governor
and
could
you
is
that
correct?
Can
you
well?
Can
you
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
the
process
once
the
commission
makes
its
recommendations,
you
know,
makes
a
decision
on
what
the
recommendations
are
going
to
be.
What
happens
next
after
that.
H
R
H
And
if
the
government,
if
the
governor,
approve
it
fine,
she
approves
it
if
she
doesn't
approve
it
but
states
her
objections,
then
the
commission
can
say
thank
you
for
your
objections,
we're
still
putting
it
on
the
on
the
ballot.
So
even
if
the
governor
deems
a
certain
provision
illegal,
you
can
still
put
it
on
the
ballot
and
it
will
go
into
the
charter.
You
just
have
to
fight
it
if
they
try
to
implement
it
with
respect
to
legality
of
it.
H
But
what
typically
happens
is
once
the
governor
does
that
we've
just
received
the
actually
the
objections
back
and
so
we're
going
to
review
them
to
see
where
you
know.
If
there's
any
legal
merit
to
some
of
the
challenges
that
that
she
raised
and
if
there's
so.
If
so,
then
you
know
I'll
make
a
recommendation
to
the
commission,
the
commission
would
decide
whether
that
they
won't
accept
my
recommendation
or
whether
or
not
they
want
to
how
they
want
to
address
that
issue.
H
And
if
we
decide
to
to
you
know
a
seed
to
a
certain
change
that
the
governor
suggested,
then
we
will
submit
it
back
to
the
governor
for
her
review
and
then
you
know
after
that,
if
she
approves
it,
she
does.
If
not,
then
you
make
a
decision?
Okay.
Well,
we
don't
want
to
do
that
again
because
we're
on
the
timeline,
let's
put
it
on
the
on
the
ballot,
but
again
you
don't.
G
H
H
So
the
charter
is
called
a
revision
and
you
got
certain
amendments
that
you
can
also
put
on
the
ballot
that,
if
approved,
if
the
charter's
approved
and
the
amendment
is
approved,
then
the
amendment
would
be
incorporated
into
the
charter
as
it
was
approved
by
the
voters.
N
Great
all
right!
Well,
thank
you,
chairweaver.
You
were
a
little
surprised
that
we
put
aside
so
many
times
so
much
time
for
questions.
Clearly
we
could
keep
going.
I
know
this
commission
has
derived
a
lot
of
value
from
from
you
and
commissioner
campbell
and
mr
satchel.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
N
I
think
I
would
ask
commissioners
from
san
jose
if
you
have
any
additional
questions
to
send
them
my
way,
and
I
can
compile
them
and
and
send
them
to
our
guest
tonight
to
see
if
they
they
have
some
time
additional
time
to
donate,
to
to
answer
your
questions,
but
this
has
been
very
valuable.
Any
closing
thoughts
from
from
anybody.
P
Yeah,
if
I
can,
if
I
can
just
add,
first
of
all,
thank
you
all
for
having
us.
I
think
I
probably
can
speak
for
my
colleagues
here.
This
has
been
a
long
process
we've.
I
know
I've
learned
a
lot.
I
came
on
to
the
commission
a
little
bit
later
than
where
it
started
the
election.
P
I
was
10th
out
of
the
the
folks
were
running
by
someone
resigned,
and
I've
learned
so
much
from
folks
on
the
commission
from
general
counsel,
our
staff
and
and
and
community
members,
and
I'm
sure
you
all
probably
have
learned
so
much
already,
and
we
can
continue
to
do
so.
So
thank
you
all
for
having
us.
I
just
wanted
to
also
just
one
thing.
Finally,
for
advice,
chair
johnson,
I
wanted
to
add
for
the
subcommittees.
P
D
Let
me,
on
the
behalf
of
the
commission,
thank
commissioner
mccampbell,
chair
weaver
and
mr
satchel
for
being
with
us
tonight,
safe
trip
back
to
detroit
tonight
and
coming
to
joining
us.
I
know
it's
late.
There
so
really
appreciate
your
and
your
thoughts
and
trust
me
when
I
say
our
commission
will
very
much
be
considering
your
thoughts
and
we'll
continue
to
have
you
in
our
minds
when
we
as
we
continue
our
deliberations.
So
thank.
H
D
Service
to
the
country,
thank
you
have
a
good
night.
I'm
gonna
move
us
to
our
second
set
of
speakers,
and
I
appreciate
everyone
taking
the
lawrence's
cue
and
keeping
us
moving
forward
again.
If
you
have
questions
that
you
some
of
you
had
other
questions
and
you
might
think
about
what
you
want
further
just
a
few
questions
came
to
my
mind
in
terms
of
I
thought
I
knew
some
of
the
stuff
in
detroit
and
I
learned
a
lot
tonight,
so
I
really
appreciate
lawrence
reaching
out.
D
I
was
I
was
under
my
direction
to
say
I
really
need
detroit
to
be
able
to
speak
tonight,
so
it
was
not
easy
to
get
this
this
evening,
all
organized
and
scheduled.
So
I
really
appreciate
our
consultant
lawrence
in
his
efforts
to
make
tonight
happen
in
this
first
part
of
the
study
session.
Our
second
set
of
guests
tonight
they'll,
come
to
us
through
a
recommendation
of
this
commission
and
direction
of
this
commission
to
be
able
to
hear
from
our
own
san
jose
office
of
racial
equity.
D
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
over
to
lawrence
to
introduce
our
guests
for
this
evening.
We've
asked
them
for
a
much
shorter
presentation
and
then
to
be
opened
up
to
questions
so
we'll
have
they
will
be
presenting
and
then
we'll
have
a
short
amount
of
time
for
questions,
but
since
they're
local,
they
don't
have
as
long
a
drive
home.
D
We
will
have
the
ability
to
ask
more
questions
later
about
them
or
if
we
need
to
bring
them
back
in
other
parts
of
deliberation,
but
we
wanted
to
at
least
introduce
them
tonight
and
get
us
as
a
commission
familiar
with
our
own
office
of
racial
equity.
So
lawrence,
could
you
introduce
our
guests?
Please.
N
Absolutely
thank
you,
chair
really
excited
to
to
have
with
us
tonight,
stephanie
jane
and
sabrina
paragasia
from
the
office
of
racial
equity.
N
Here
in
city
of
san
jose,
I
asked
the
two
of
them
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
work
of
the
office
of
racial
equity
and
share
how
they
think
about
equity
in
the
city
and
and
the
the
municipal
government
and,
like
the
chair,
said,
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
that
we
can
benefit
from
the
work
that
they're
doing
and
where
they
see
the
city
going
as
far
as
racial
equity.
So
I
see
this
is
beginning
of
the
conversation.
N
Q
Great
thank
you
lawrence.
As
you
all
know,
we
are
from
the
city's
newly
established
office
of
racial
equity.
I'm
stephanie
jane.
I
use
she
her
pronouns
and
I
identify
as
white
I've
been
with
the
city
since
2016,
working
with
the
office
of
immigrant
affairs,
and
I
also
worked
with
strong
neighborhoods
back
in
the
early
2000s.
Q
So
back
in
the
day,
I
was
part
of
the
city's
first
wave
of
staff
who
went
through
racial
equity
training
through
the
government
alliance
on
race
and
equity,
gare,
which
I
believe
you've
heard
of
and
and
now
part
of
the
office
of
racial
equity
team,
which
is
led
by
our
director
sumo
maciel
and
sabrina.
S
And
I'm
sabrina
para
garcia,
pronouns
she
and
her
and
I'm
latina.
I
started
with
the
city
in
2015,
working
with
one
of
the
council
offices
prior
to
joining
the
office
of
immigrant
affairs
in
2017,
and
I
was
actually
in
the
second
staff
cohort
completing
the
gear
training
in
2019..
S
So
now
that
the
immigrant
affairs
group
has
become
a
part
of
the
office
of
racial
equity.
I
am
also
a
member
of
the
office
of
racial
equity.
Q
Perfect
thanks
sabrina
we're
gonna
just
do
a
quick
overview.
I
know
we
don't
have
much
time
four
sort
of
main
topics
we
wanted
to
try
to
touch
on
this
evening.
One
is:
can
you
switch
the
slides
again?
Q
One
is
what
is
racial
equity,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
have
different
ideas
on
that,
but
really
wanting
to
sort
of
get
a
baseline
on
some
basic
definitions,
a
quick
overview
of
the
office
of
racial
equity
and
then
start
talking
about
some
guiding
questions
around
racial
equity
and
how
that
might
apply
to
the
work
you're
doing
with
the
charter
review
and
I'll
pass
to
sabrina.
S
That's
good,
so
we
are
gonna
start
we're
gonna
beg
your
patience
because
we're
starting
from
all
different
places,
experiences
and
races,
so
we're
gonna
start
with
the
basics.
So
if
you
allow
some
grace
for
that,
we
we
hear
the
term
racial
equity
quite
often,
but
or
you
know
what
does
it
actually
mean
and
sorry-
and
this
is
the
definition
that
we're
using
right
now
and
it
actually
comes
in
two
important
pieces.
It's
the
first
half
about
you
know
what
does
it
mean
when
race
no
longer
predicts
life
outcomes?
S
Well,
that
means
that
black
and
brown
people
will
be
just
as
likely
to
own
a
home.
Graduate
from
college
live
the
same
number
years,
have
a
stable
living
wage
job
and
be
treated
with
respect
by
law
enforcement
as
someone
from
a
different
race
like
a
white
person
and
then
the
second
half
of
this,
that
outcomes
will
improves
and
improves
outcomes
for
all
groups.
S
So
when
we're
aiming
for
equity,
that
actually
means
allocating
resources
towards
people
in
places
who
are
most
impacted
and
most
at
need
until
those
people
are
places
are
on
a
level
playing
field
with
the
rest
of
society
and
have
to
recognize
that
there
are
macro
factors
that
also
contribute
to
these
outcomes.
Equity
is
about
restoring
power
and
resources
to
those
most
harmed
by
the
legacy
of
slavery,
colonization,
genocide
and
other
harms
like
segregation
and
redlining.
S
S
We
know
that
some
progress
has
been
made
over
the
years
when
it
comes
to
equity.
But
if
you
look
at
any
measure
of
success,
whether
that's
income,
education,
health,
criminal,
justice,
et
cetera,
significant
differences
in
outcomes
based
on
race
remain
deep
and
pervasive
data
shows
across
all
at-risk
groups
that
black
and
brown
people
are
experiencing
this
worst
outcomes.
So
that
means
black
and
brown
lgbtq
people,
disabled
people,
women
for
example.
S
We
don't
end
with
race,
it's
just
a
place
to
start
if
we
want
to
have
the
greatest
impact
because
it
cuts
across
all
other
things,
and
then
that
leads
us
to
a
second
point,
which
is
that
intersectionality
is
key
just
because
we're
leading
with
race
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
care
about
what
there
isn't
room
for
considering
other
disadvantaged
groups
across
other
categories
like
people
with
disabilities,
women,
non-binary
or
transgender
people,
those
who
are
in
poverty,
for
example,
though,
the
office
of
racial
equity
agrees
with
other,
that
other
marginalized
identities
face
disadvantages,
beginning
with
race,
helps
us
develop
the
framework
to
address
system
disadvantaged
by
other
groups
as
well
moving
on
oh
pretty
picture
again.
S
So
why
is
racial
equity
work
important
and
it
says
here,
systems
that
are
failing.
Communities
of
color
are
failing
all
of
us.
It's
really
just
that
simple.
It's
that
we
live
in
an
interdependent
society,
whether
you
live
in
east,
san,
jose
or
west
san
jose.
We
really
are
just
one
san
jose,
and
what
this
also
means
is
that
the
we're
not
just
eliminating
the
gaps
between
white
people
and
people
of
color,
but
they're,
actually
trying
to
increase
success
for
all
groups.
This
is
a
concept
of
targeted
universalism.
S
If
any
of
you
want
to
look
it
up.
John
powell
at
berkeley
is
about
this,
and
now,
when
we're
thinking
about
the
second
definition
we
just
went
over
over
when
outcomes
for
all
groups
are
improved.
I
wanted
to
walk
through
an
example
that
I
think
really
helps
to
illustrate
that
so
one
of
our
fellow
gear
trainee
cities
was
actually
they
had
a
problem
with
some
of
the
street
lights,
a
lot
of
them
were
burnt
out
and
they
initially
had
a
complaint
based
system.
S
So
there
were
some
sections
of
the
city
where
the
street
lights
were
getting
repaired
eventually
because
the
neighbors
were
reporting
it.
But
then
there
was
some
section
of
the
city
where
no
one
was
reporting
that
the
street
lights
were
out,
and
there
were
many
reasons
for
that.
You
know.
Maybe
they
didn't
have
information
in
their
language
or
they
didn't
think
the
government
was
going
to
fix
it
or
they
didn't
know
where
to
request
it
or
they're
just
so
busy.
S
So
that's
really
the
goal
here
that
the
laws
and
programs
designed
to
benefit
vulnerable
people,
such
as
those
who
are
disabled
or
people
of
color,
often
end
up
benefiting
all
of
society.
And
that
is
the
approach
we're
using
coming
in.
Q
Thanks
sabrina
so
to
provide
some
of
you
may
know
this
already,
but
to
provide
just
a
little
bit
more
background
on
sort
of
the
the
origins
of
the
office
of
racial
equity.
It
was
established
in
2020
and
soma.
Maciel
was
appointed
the
director
in
late
2020
in
october,
so
the
office
is
really
only
about
six
months
old
and
we'll
have
approximately
seven
dedicated
staff
and
this
the
racial
equity
work
actually
started
several
years
ago
within
the
work
of
the
office
of
immigrant
affairs.
Q
As
we
were
looking
at
immigrant
issues,
we
clearly
saw
that
these
are
racial
equity
issues
as
well
and
and
started.
Then
with
city
staff
attending
the
scare
training
starting
in
2018.,
and
we
now
have
close
to
50
city
staff,
who've
completed
the
scare
training
and
are
helping
to
implement
applying
an
equity
lens
to
work
in
their
own
departments,
but
us
just
to
sort
of
be
very
specific
about
what
this
slide
is
community.
Q
Communicating
is
that
the
role
of
the
office
of
racial
equity
is
to
enable
the
city
organization
to
embed
a
racial
equity
framework
and
that
basically,
moves
includes
examining
and
improving
internal
policies
and
programs.
Again.
So
that
we
ultimately
improve
outcomes
for
black
and
brown
communities,
but
let's
unpack
this
a
little
bit,
because
there
has
been
a
lot
of
confusion
about
the
role
of
the
office
of
racial
equity
within
the
organization
I
mean
basically,
the
office
can't
do
it
alone.
Q
The
city
is
an
organization
of
6
000
people
and
a
million
residents,
so
our
role
is
really
to
create
the
conditions
and
provide
support
for
city
departments
who
are
who
we
are
asking
to
reflect
deeply
on
their
own
work,
to
ask
questions
very
differently
to
make
their
own
changes
and
then
for
the
office
of
racial
equity
to
push
the
city's
thinking
on
changes
that
will
improve
outcomes
for
communities
of
color
in
san
jose.
Q
The
other
thing
I
would
just
highlight
too,
is
that
we
in
the
office
of
racial
equity
are
not
a
team
of
experts,
but
we
do
ask
a
lot
of
questions
and
we
want
to
create
the
conditions
that
allow
city
staff
to
both
learn
about
equity,
but
also
change
the
way
they
do
things
individually
and
as
a
system
for
those
of
us
who
are
white
or
have
been
working
within
systems
like
this
for
years
and
years.
Q
Q
So
we
want
to
talk
next
a
bit
about
what
our
approach
is
and
our
philosophy.
So
it's
multifaceted,
but
there
are
a
few
pieces
that
we
specifically
want
to
highlight.
Q
At
the
same
time,
we
acknowledge
very
deeply
that
change
happens
at
the
pace
of
trust,
so
this
process
will
take
time
more
time
than
we
would
like,
but
we
know
that
it
will
take
time
and,
and
part
of
our
approach
is
to
go
slow
in
order
to
go
fast.
Q
Another
piece
that
we
that
I
have
talked
to
a
lot
of
different
departments
about
is
that
racial
equity
work
is
not
about
doing
more
work,
but
about
doing
the
same
work
very
differently
and
it's
the
way
we
should
have
been
governing
all
along,
though
most,
if
not
all
local
governments
were
not
governing
in
that
way.
Q
Another
component
that
we
focus
on
is
is
truly
listening
to
the
experts
among
us,
and
those
experts
are
often
communities
of
color
and
communities
who
are
directly
impacted.
Q
The
last
thing
I
would
sort
of
leave
you
all
with
in
terms
of
our
philosophy,
is
that
we
expect
that
the
office
of
racial
equity
will
make
mistakes.
We
know
that,
and
we
ask
in
advance
for
your
help
in
preventing
those
mistakes,
but
also
learning
from
the
mistakes
and
moving
forward
together.
Q
So
with
that,
our
overall
goal
is
really
that
we
embed
racial
equity
in
such
a
way
that
it
will
simply
become
the
way
we
do
business
in
san
jose
and
not
something
sort
of
an
add-on
or
something.
In
addition,
one
thing
that
we
have
also
found
as
we
engage
in
this
work
is
that
there
is
a
more
productive
way
to
frame
many
of
the
questions
that
come
up,
especially
if
we
want
long-term
change,
long-term
change,
and
we
want
partners
in
this
work.
Q
So
we
highly
encourage
all
of
us
to
sort
of
stay
on
the
right
side
of
this
image.
You
see
before
you
it's
not
only
what
we
say
out
loud,
but
also
that
little
what
the
little
voice
in
our
head
often
says
right.
So
we
have
to
retrain
that
voice
to
think
about
things
differently,
if
we
want
to
make
long-term
change
and
just
to
emphasize
what
we
mean
here,
it's
really
about
shifting
from
blame
right
sort
of
who's,
a
racist
to
causes.
Q
What's
the
deep
cause,
what's
the
root
cause
of
these
racial
inequities,
shifting
from
intentions?
Well,
what
did
they
mean?
What
was
their
attitude
to
the
actual
effects
and
impacts
right?
What
were
the
actions?
What
were
the
impacts
of
this
shifting?
Similarly,
from
prejudice
to
systems,
what
made
them
do
that,
what
were
their
beliefs
to
you
know
what
were
the
institutions
that
were
ultimately
responsible
for
these
impacts?
We
see
and
then
also
from
grievance
to
solutions
right.
S
So
this
is
probably
where
you
guys
are
itching
to
get
to.
These
are,
are
the
same
kinds
of
questions
that
the
office
of
racial
equity
is
trying
to
integrate
into
city
systems,
as
stephanie
was
talking
about.
So
this
is
really
about
the
creating
the
the
expectation
that
you're
asking
this
all
the
time,
because
the
answers
to
these
questions
they're
not
easy
to
get
to,
but
the
questions
themselves,
if
you
dig
into
them,
really
tend
to
lead
you
through
a
process.
So
really
the
one
thing
I
we
would.
S
We
would
always
say
if
there's
just
one
thing,
one
piece
of
this
whole,
this
slide
that
you
ask
yourselves:
it's
number
one
who
is
benefited
and
who
is
burdened
just
sort
of
build
that
into
your
thinking
from
day
one
and
just
keep
asking
it
over
and
over
again,
and
the
second
piece
is
really
about
leveraging
data
and
wondering
you
know,
sitting
down
inquisitively
to
wonder
what
the
data
has
to
present
you,
especially
when
you
can
disaggregate
it
and
look
at
it
with
through
different
populations,
and
then
number
three
actually
is
sort
of
an
extension
of
data.
S
It's
just
a
different
way
of
thinking
about
data.
What
do
community
voices
and
lived
experience
tell
us
so
you
you
have
data,
as
we
traditionally
think
about
it,
numbers,
statistics,
trends
and
that's
important
and
it
can
lead
you
to
making
some
assumptions
and
you
can.
You
can
even
think
about
some
solutions,
but
it's
really
important
that
you
vet
your
expectations
and
really
look
for
depth
from
community,
because
these
are
the
people
who
are
experiencing
this.
S
So
they
are
the
experts
on
it
and
they
can
tell
you
where
your
assumptions
may
be
off
or
if
one
solution
is
better
than
another,
and
that
is
actually
very
helpful
if
you
are
designing
a
program
or
a
policy
or
anything,
that's
meant
to
help
the
community,
because
they
will
tell
you
ahead
of
time
whether
the
solution
isn't
going
to
work
for
them.
S
So
number
four
is
really
about
getting
very
deep
on
a
question
and
one
way
to
to
do
this
is
just
to
ask
why
five
times
just
ask
yourself.
Take
one
particular
aspect
of
a
problem
and
dig
into
every
single
answer.
You
get
with
a
y
to
really
get
down
deep.
What
systems
need
to
change?
It
will
tell
you
ultimately
sort
of
what
the
problem
is
and
where
things
are
rubbing
up
against
and
then
finally,
number
five
is
really
important,
because
accountability
is
certainly
about
ensuring
that
you
are
giving
the
information
back
to
the
community.
S
But
it's
also
a
way
of
establishing
trust
of
showing
that
you
have
gone.
You
have
asked
you
have
taken
into
consideration,
and
now
you
are
coming
back
and
explaining
what
you
did
with
that
information
so
that
when
you
come
back
and
do
this
again
because
you're
supposed
to
do
this
all
the
time
for
number
three
they're
willing
to
partner
with
you
again
and
go
through
it
with
you
again.
S
This
is
now
where
we're
getting
a
little
bit
more
specific
into
our
thinking
on
and
how
this
racial
equity
work
can
apply
to
your
what
you're
mandated
with-
and
I
realized
that
you
may
have
thought
of
some
of
this
already,
but
we're
really
here
also
to
help
reinforce
some
thinking
too.
So
what
kind
of
disaggregated
outcome
data
have
you
been
looking
at?
What
is
it
telling
you?
Are
you
looking
at
voter
turnout
in
different
with
different
cuts,
race
and
district
and
polling
place?
S
Is
there
do
you
see
institutional
racism
showing
up
in
any
government
systems?
Those
are
just
some
suggested
initial
questions
from
us
and
then-
and
I
have
to
say
I
don't
know
if
anyone's
hands
are
up
yet,
but
we
will
take
some
questions
at
the
end.
I
just
wanted
to
address
that
now
and
I'm
getting
close
to
the
end
too.
S
So
the
second
point
here
is
this
is
really
again
about
that
number
three
on
the
previous
slide.
Who
have
you
been
talking
to
and
how
have
you
been
talking
to
them
and
when
have
you
been
talking
to
them
and
in
what
languages
have
you
been
talking
to
them?
Those
are
important
details
when
it
comes
to
sort
of
making
sure
that
you
were
speaking
that
you
know
you're
speaking
to
as
broad
a
representational
group
as
possible
too,
and
then
what
is
your
plan
again
for
explaining
what
you
did
with
her
input?
S
This
is
about
trust,
like
I
said,
so
it's
also
about
showing
that
you
valued
their
time.
They
didn't
just
come
in
and
tell
you
some
stuff
because
they
thought
it
was
important,
and
then
you
didn't
bother
to
come
back
and
more
or
less
say.
Thank
you
and
then
our
final
slide
is
some
additional
suggestions
for
your
work.
S
So
this
idea
of
double
checking
language
and
terms
is
something
that
we
keep
coming
back
to
as
we
do.
The
racial
equity
work
ourselves
whenever
you're
feeling
stuck
it's
important
to
go
back
to
the
terms
that
you're
talking
about
as
a
group
and
see.
If
maybe
you
have
some
different
assumptions
underlying
those
definitions,
because
sometimes
that
is
what
gets
you
stuck
you're,
just
you're,
trying
to
solve
different
problems,
or
you
think
you're
talking
about
the
same
solution
but
you're
actually
talking
about
slightly
different
ones.
So
that's
one
general
strategy.
S
We
recommend
also
important
to
with
this
through
number
four
here.
Our
understanding
is
this:
you
guys
have
already
sort
of
looked
at
these
three
subsets
governance
structure,
timing
of
elections,
accountability,
representation
and
inclusion
at
city
hall,
and
that's
sort
of
how
you're
thinking
about
dividing
up
the
work,
because
that
was
how
it
was
mandated
to
you
by
I
number,
the
first
and
the
second
one
of
those
two
governance
and
timing.
S
Those
are
fairly
well
defined,
so
thinking
about
accountability,
representation
and
inclusion,
I'd
really
say
that
there's
a
couple
of
ways
you
guys
could
think
about
approaching
this
one
would
be
to
have
each
group
look
at
the
charter
and
bring
back
sections
that
you
think
relate
to
this.
When
you're
thinking
about
equity,
you
could
have
one
person,
take
a
look
and
sort
of
bring
it
into
a
small
group
and
have
the
group
discuss
based
on
that
person's
perspective.
S
You
can
also
broaden
this
question
out
beyond
the
charter
and
ask
the
community
for
their
suggestions.
I
understand
that
that
is
something
that
you
guys
have
been
sort
of
discussing
and
trying
to
figure
out.
So
that
is
a
possibility
and
not
a
bad
one.
It's
okay!
S
We
would
say
it's
okay
to
make
broad
recommendations
without
specifics,
because
it
can
be
really
daunting.
If
you
think
you
need
to
come
up
with
specific
solutions,
but
that's
that's
what
the
administration
is
for.
So
if
you
guys
feel
that
there
are
broad
policy
recommendations
you
want
to
make
and
council
agrees
with
you,
they
can
just
direct
staff
to
come
up
with
solutions
and
bring
them
back
to
council
on
more
specific
solutions
and
bring
them
back
to
council.
S
So
that
was
our
very
quick
rundown
for
you
guys,
but
we're
already
over
time.
So
with
that
are.
N
There
any
questions
yeah.
Thank
you
both
I'll
call
some
commissioners
and
I
want
to
call
in
commissioner
marshman
first
and
then
commissioner,
train
will
get
back
to
you,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
hear
from
as
many
different
commissioners
tonight
as
we
can
so.
Commissioner,
marshman.
I
Sorry
I'm
having
an
internet
issue
here.
So
if
I
pop
in
and
out
I
apologize,
I'm
curious.
The
the
street
lights
was
a
very
good
example
of
the
kind
of
difference
this
can
make
for
for
neighborhoods
and
for
different
groups.
I
Are
there
any
other
examples
or
any
examples
in
san
jose
of
changes
that
have
been
made
or
are
being
made
or
of
issues?
We
can
look
back
on
and
say
wow
we
we
could
have
done
that
better
is.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
way
to
get
more
specific
about
what
is
happening
or
should
be
happening.
Q
So
I
would
start
in
sabrina
feel
free
to
jump
in.
I
would
start
with.
We
are
early
in
this
as
a
city
right.
We
are
very
early
in
this
process.
I
this
is
a
very
small
example,
but
in
the
context
of
some
of
the
gear
work,
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
was
one
of
the
sort
of
financial
hardships
scholarship
applications
that
the
city
uses.
Q
Ask
the
question:
are
you
a
resident
of
san
jose
seems
like
a
pretty
simple
question,
but
when
you
translate
that
into
spanish
that-
and
I
might
ask
for
your
help
here-
but
the
language
when
you
translate
that
into
spanish-
creates
a
lot
of
fear
around.
Are
you
a
legal
resident
right
for
undocumented
people?
Q
Just
that
sentence
creates
a
lot
of
fear
and
barriers
and
we
could,
as
a
city
very
simply
just
ask:
do
you
live
in
san
jose
and
avoid
that
entirely?
So,
if
you
really
look-
and
if
everyone
in
the
city
starts
thinking
that
way
with
that
lens
right
put
yourself
in
someone
else's
shoes,
as
you
read
that,
then
we
uncover
lots
of
things,
but
that's
just
a
very
that's.
S
It's
called
the
curb
cut
effect
and
that's
the
other
example
was
when
it
was
disability
rights
groups
that
asked
to
have
curb
cuts
cut
in
put
in,
and
yes,
obviously,
the
curb
cuts
when
we
started
doing
that
as
a
country
was
wonderful
for
people
with
disabilities,
but
it
turned
out
that
it
also
helped
mothers
with
strollers
people
delivery,
guys
who
had
dollies
business
people
who
were
you
know
rolling
things
after
themselves,
people
who
were
travelers
it
ended
up
having
all
of
these
ripple
effects
that
we
weren't
expecting,
but
that
it
really
just
made
life
better
for
all
of
us.
C
C
Q
Do
your
first
question
of:
should
you
apply
an
equity
lens?
Yes,
but
in
terms
of
what
that
looks
like
having
not
done
that
analysis,
I
am
sort
of
hesitant
to
provide
a
sort
of
specific
response,
but
in
general,
yes,
we
would
want
to
look,
and
some
of
that
starts
with
looking
at
data
right
by
those
different
districts
which
will
help
inform
that.
So
I
hear
you
right,
like
even
an
odd,
is
somewhat
arbitrary
right.
G
N
Great
so,
in
the
spirit
of
just
continuing
to
hear
from
folks
we
haven't
heard
from
yet
I'm
going
to
go
to
commissioner
amador
and
then
I've
got
commissioners
fuentes
and
sanchez.
E
Great
thank
you
and
thank
you
again
for
being
here
and
taking
this
time
to
go
through
that
presentation.
That
was
really
great,
but
I
do
have
a
question
on.
Is
there
a
current
tool
kit
right
now
that
the
radiation
equity
office
has
a
doctor
or
that
is
using
or
that
is
implementing
in
other
departments?
E
I
know
that
it's
fairly
new
this
department
and
that
you
guys
are
talking
about
it
with
different
other
departments
within
the
city,
but
is
there
a
toolkit
yet
and
possibly
that
we
could
even
adopt
here
to
really
look
at
the
impacts
and
the
burdens
that
any
decision
that
we
make
or
that
we
start
analyzing
moving
forward,
might
support
through
looking
through
that
lens
of
equity,
racial
equity.
S
We
came
up
with
a
couple
of
worksheets
that
we've
used
for
the
budgeting
process,
which
we
could
share
with
you
guys
and
we
have
a
resource,
an
internal
departmental
like
an
intranet
resource
list
for
staff
who
are
interested
with
a
variety
of
things
in
it,
and
I
was
commenting
to
stephanie
as
we
were,
putting
together
this
presentation
that
I
was
really
frustrated
when
I
first
started
even
pre-gear,
so
it
was
the
year
before
2018
when
sulma
and
stephanie
were
going
through
the
learning
year,
because
I
wanted
an
answer
I
got
in
and
they
you
know,
we
are
asking
questions:
what
do
you
have?
S
S
It
doesn't
give
you
like
an
easy
answer,
because
you
have
to
go
out
and
find
the
data
you
have
to
go
out
and
find
the
communities
you
have
to
make
sure
you
guys
are
defining
the
questions
clearly
for
yourselves,
so
that
you
know
what
you're
all
solving
for
together
and
what
the
parameters
are.
So
it's
a
really
messy
thing,
which
is
why
it's
hard
to
really
give
something
more
concrete
than
that.
But
what
we
do,
how
we
would
be
happy
to
share
anything
to
add
stephanie.
Q
I
would
say
I
believe
someone
in
the
commission
shared
the
gear
toolkit
as
well.
I
mean
that
is
it's
a
lot
longer,
but
it
is
basic.
I
think,
there's
six
steps.
We
left
out
sort
of
the
solutions
one,
but
in
our
slide
I
mean
those
really.
That
is
the
process
right
and
it's,
as
sabrina
said
it
is,
it
is
actually
a
process
right.
It's
not
just
sort
of
spit
something
out
right.
There's
a
lot
of
iteration
there's
a
lot
of
checking
back
in
with
community
and
understanding.
Q
Did
I
understand
this
correctly,
and
how
should
I
explore
this
more
deeply.
Might
not
be
the
answer
you
wanted,
but
I
think
it's
the
answer
that
we
have
come
to
from
sort
of
trying
to
unpack
a
lot
of
these
issues
and
it's
also
what
we're
trying
to
to
move
the
city
towards
right.
If
every
person
in
the
city
asked
all
of
those
questions
as
they're
making
decisions,
it
would
be
a
different
result.
N
Thank
you
so
continuing
the
spirit
of
making
sure
that
we
hear
from
folks
we
haven't
heard
from
yet
tonight
I'm
going
to
go
with
commissioner
borosio
and
then
I
want
to
get
to
commissioner
fuentes
and
then
we're
going
to
need
to
wrap
up
and
move
on.
A
few
of
you
have
already
shared
questions
with
me
for
the
troy
charter.
Commissioners,
I
would
encourage
you
to
do
the
same
for
stephanie
and
sabrina,
and
I
don't
think
this
is
the
last
time
we'll
be
hearing
from
them
if
they
will
continue
to
liaise
with
us.
N
So,
commissioner,
borosio.
F
Perfect,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
our
guest
speakers.
This
is
very
valuable.
The
question
that
I
have
is
obviously
you've.
N
And
you've
compiled,
I
imagine
a
lot
of
data
right
both
both
at
the
department.
F
Level
city
level
and
with
key
stakeholders.
So
my
question
is:
have
you
seen
any
common
threads?
Anything
that
that
you
see
that
impacts
all
the
districts
or
anything
at
the
at
the
department
level,
where
you
see
like
just
some
hot
topics
right.
N
We
just
heard
from
detroit
they've
had
some.
F
Some
like
run-ins,
with
with
the
with
the
fallout
of
the
bankruptcy
like
water
affordability,
so
like
something
district,
specific.
F
That
creates
a
san
jose
that
we
can
improve
right.
The.
N
Q
I
mean
I
feel
a
little
bit
like
a
broken
record,
but
in
terms
of
common
threads
it
is
as
a
city
right.
It
is
these
foundational
pieces
of.
Do
we
have
data
disaggregated
by
race
that
we
can
even
look
at
or
or
a
proxy
for
race.
Similarly,
around
community
engagement-
that
is
a
common
question.
Ask
right
from
departments
is
that
sounds
good
community
engagement,
but
how
do
I
really
do
that
and
how
do
I?
Q
How
do
I
allocate
resources,
including
staff,
time
and
and
staff
sort
of
expertise
on
how
to
do
that?
Well,
I
mean
the
city
has
a
history
of
doing
the
way
they
do
public
engagement,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
it
has
resulted
in
hearing
from
people
who
have
been
most
negatively
and
or
directly
impacted
by
the
city's
processes.
So
those
are
two
of
the
things
that
I
would
lift
up
and
I
I
I
don't
know
that
that's
the
answer
you're
looking
for,
but
from
each
department,
it's
just
so
very
different
right.
Q
Well,
I
guess
here's
another
one.
It
would
be
hiring
right.
How
do
we
really
hire
recruit?
Promote
communities
of
color
who
can
represent
and
can
see
even
in
their
own
work,
sort
of
see
the
world
through
a
different
lens.
That's
another
piece
that.
S
There
is
a
really
big
difference
from
department
to
department
and
even
within
departments
of
who
even
has
data
right
now,
so
part
of
what
the
job
has
been
right
now
has
just
been
trying
to
get
staff
to
understand
why
they
need
data
so
that
they
can
develop
systems
to
start
gathering
it.
So
we
do
see
little
pockets
of
data
here
and
there,
but
that
that's
not
fair.
S
S
I
think
to
make
any
determinations
broadly
about
pockets,
other
than
to
say
that
what
you
sort
of
expect
when
you
look
at
low-income
communities,
those
tend
to
be
the
ones
that
are
struggling
the
most,
and
that
means
you
know
low
income,
zip
codes.
It
also
means
homeless
people,
you
know
so.
People
who
are
struggling
are
the
ones
who
are
struggling,
and
that
is-
and
if
there's
concentrations
of
that
in
the
city,
that's
where
you're
seeing
it
it's
not
it's.
Following
that
basic
trend,
it's
not
very
different
than
that.
N
I'm
gonna
wrap
this
up
chair,
so
I
just
wanna
thank
christopher
franklin's.
I'm
sorry.
We
need
to
move
on.
We
have
public
comment.
We
have
a
big
discussion
so
again.
I
would
ask
that
commissioners,
if
you
have
additional
questions,
please
send
them
to
me.
I
will
facilitate
sharing
them
with
stephanie
sabrina.
N
I
deeply
apologize,
but
you
know
I
really
did
want
to
privilege
making
sure
we
heard
from
folks
that
we
hadn't
heard
from
yet
tonight,
which
is
one
of
my
kind
of
tactics
as
a
facilitator,
to
make
sure
that
all
voices
are
lifted
up.
So
apologies.
We
have
a
a
big
schedule
tonight.
Thank
you,
stephanie
and
sabrina
for
for
joining
us.
N
D
R
You
know,
unfortunately,
it
became
has
become
a
failed
city.
It
was
a
wonderful
city
once
upon
a
time
it
was
the
envy
of
the
united
states,
now
look
at
it,
and
these
are
the
people
who
are
gonna
you're
gonna,
take
guidance
from
I
find
it
a
bit
strange.
R
I
also
find
it
a
bit
strange
that
the
city
wants
all
these
nice
things
for
people
and
equality
and
equity,
but
you
know
get
a
traffic
citation
or
a
parking
ticket,
or
you
know
a
minor
misdemeanor
from
san
jose
party.
I
mean
san
jose
police
department
and
see
what
happens
you
think
that
do
you
want
equity
and
equality?
Do
you
think
giving
out
citations
that
cost
thousands
of
dollars
creates
good
public?
You
know
what
good
does
it
create
good
will?
R
No,
it
doesn't
and
do
you
think,
just
because
you
hire
some
minority
people
that
this
is
gonna,
make
it
better.
When
you
get
a
code
citation
for
having
a
shed
in
your
backyard
or
a
flagpole,
that's
too
high
or
you're
driving
over
potholes,
I
mean
you
guys
need
to
do
a
lot
more
things
before
you
can
even
move
on
to
equity,
because
you
run
a
fascistic
city
at
the
moment
anyway.
R
So
all
you're
doing
is
is
using
this
sort
of
vocabulary
to
make
it
look
good,
while
you're
arresting
minority
people
taking
away
their
guns
taking
away
their
marijuana.
I
mean
guns
and
marijuana
are
legal
from
what
I
understand.
Second
amendment
and
the
way
you've
got
the
ordinance
surpassed.
Marijuana
is
legal,
but
somebody
of
color
has
it
man,
you
guys
broadcast
it
on
twitter,
with
pictures
and
everything
and
who
their
names
are.
R
You
guys
should
be
ashamed
of
yourselves
down
there
you're
not
doing
anything,
good
good
for
this
town,
I'm
driving
over
potholes.
You
know
my
vietnam,
veteran
neighbor
had
to
take
a
flag
pole
down
because
it
was
an
inch
too
high
because
of
code
enforcement.
R
B
Hi,
barbie
quinn-
I
was
a
little
late
to
the
meeting
tonight.
The
city
of
oakland
is
working
on
their
issues
of
equity
and
reimagine
and
defund
for
their
community
future.
It's
really
interesting
work,
and
so
I
was
a
little
late.
I
I
sent
you
guys
a
letter
last
week
to
tony
tabor.
I
hope
she
mailed
it
sent
it
to
everyone
that,
or
at
least
to
the
chair
and
hopefully
to
everyone
that
it's
my
hope
that
the
public
meeting
process
here
has
a
bit
more
public
forum
to
it.
B
You
could
easily
in
consent,
calendar
and
meeting
minutes
the
the
previous
meeting
minutes
that
can
easily
be
a
place.
That
also
has
letters
from
the
public.
Usually
that
can
easily
be
a
place
to
have
a
maybe
one
minute
public
forum
where
people
can
you
know
address.
B
You
know
issues
of
previous
meetings
and
and
general
topics
before
the
start
of
you
going
into
items,
because
that
can
give
a
kind
of
a
a
tone
for
how
you
can
address
your
items
that
you've
been
working
on
all
along
for
the
past
few
weeks
and
that
everyday
public
m
has
not
had
that
privilege
to
be
a
part
of,
and
it
sets
a
good
tone
I
think,
for
how
to
what
to
expect
from
for
the
for
the
remainder
of
a
meeting
and
how
you
can
work
and
and
to
have
public
comment
immediately
after
you
have
guest
speakers
instead
of
going
to
your
own
panel
first
and
beyond
your
our
own
commission.
B
That
also
is
an
important
concept
of
the
public
meeting
process
that
you're
not
respecting,
and
that
I
understand
you
know
the
study
process
is
a
respectable
way
to
work
and
it
creates
a
studying
feeling,
but
I
think
you
need
comment
from
the
public
first
that
way
even
the
speakers,
the
guest
speakers
can
hear
ideas
and
concepts,
and
that's
that's
it's
important
stuff
and
it's
subtle,
but
it's
good
to
work
on.
Thank
you.
K
A
Good
evening,
mr
chair
good
goodies
good
evening,
commissioners,
thank
you
for
your
service.
Sometimes
I
think
you
you
deserve
a
danger
money
for
serving,
but
going
back
to
the
prior
speaker,
I
think
a
good
compromise.
What
many
cities
do
you
get
a
president-style
presentation?
A
Then
you
go
to
committee
questions,
then
you
hear
from
the
republic
and
then
you
close
off
with
with
final
comments
and
if
somebody
could
mute
themselves,
I'd
really
appreciate
it.
Moving
on
to
tonight's
business,
I
personally
did
not
really
toby,
I'm
not
seeing
my
clock.
A
I
did
not
really
connect
with
the
presentation
by
the
detroit
commissioners
except
the
closing
comment
which
says
that
they
spend
more
times
of
with
members
of
the
public
during
subcommittee
meetings
and
and
here,
okay,
now
I
see
my
clock,
and
here
what's
happening-
is
that
you
have
those
other
committees
which
are
not
open
to
the
public.
So
it's
completely
the
opposite.
A
With
regards
to
racial
equity,
it
was
unclear
to
me
why
you
should
be
going
out
to
the
city
of
san
jose
office
of
racial
equity
instead
of
going
out
to
the
detroit
commissioners
and
and
reach
out
to
them
on
on
racial
equity
and
and
use,
you
know
their
input
to
inform
the
city
of
san
jose
office
of
racial
equity.
I
hope
I
have
to
say
it
makes
sense,
but
to
me
that
seems
a
little
bit
backwards.
A
C
Good
evening,
I
think
most
members
of
the
commission
share
the
view
that
you
would
like
your
proposals
to
increase
the
level
of
racial
equity
in
the
city
and
certainly
not
increase
the
level
of
racial
inequity
in
the
city.
The
question
is:
how
do
you
achieve
those
goals?
C
Well,
one
thing
that
would
be
helpful,
as
was
mentioned
by
the
city
staff
working
on
this
issue,
is
to
have
some
standard
questions
that
are
asked
of
every
single
proposal.
Does
it
increase
the
representation
of
low-income
people
of
color?
Does
it
increase
accountability
for
low-income
people
of
color?
Does
it
increase
the
likelihood
that
low-income
people
of
color
will
get
a
fair
share
of
city
services
and
and
city
programs?
C
C
But
one
thing
that
we
could
do
is
look
at
some
of
the
things
that
happened
in
the
past,
particularly
the
ones
that
were
counter
to
racial
equity.
Things
like
the
way
that
redevelopment
happened
in
san
jose
gentrification
in
san
jose.
The
fact
that
san
jose
is
the
weakest
rent
control
law
in
the
bay
area.
C
The
fact
that
san
jose
is
the
weakest
police
oversight
program
in
the
bay
area,
look
at
those
things
and
ask
whether
the
proposals
that
you're
considering
would
have
helped
avoid
those
and
would
have
helped
turn
out
a
better
outcome
from
the
perspective
of
racial
equity
and
those
those
kinds
of
answers
might
prove
to
be
ones
where
you
can
really
have
some
information
and
data
to
work
with,
rather
than
trying
to
look
into
the
future,
and
the
future
is
hard
to
behold.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
Let
us
now
move
to
our
next
item
in
terms
of
old
business
is
tony's
going
to
give
us
an
update
on
the
budget
implications
of
what
action
the
council
took,
and
we
have
direction
specifically
from
council
on
a
discussion
that
we
need
to
have
and
that's
why
I'm
limiting
our
conversation
and
keeping
us
moving
through,
because
we
have
a
very
important
discussion
to
move
through
with
our
city
clerk.
D
K
Yes,
I
need
to
keep
my
video
off.
I
apologize
because
of
I've
got
three
kids
in
in
evening
classes
right
now,
so
I
fear
that
I'll
lose
all
of
you.
If
I
try
to
upload
video,
but
the
budget
was
approved
and
what
was
approved
was
for
interpretation
and
translations.
K
I've
already
made
arrangements
for
interpretation
interpretations
for
next,
your
next
meeting
when
it
comes
to
translations.
It's
a
lot
of
documents,
so
I
met
with
lawrence
and
with
fred
the
chair
last
week,
we're
gonna
start
translating
some
of
the
the
key
documents.
First,
you
know
the
work
plan,
the
the
101
that,
like
the
charter
101.
K
we're
going
to
start
with
key
documents
to
try
to
get
us
up
to
speed
and
get
as
many
things
translated
as
possible,
but
also
concentrating
on
the
ones
that
have
the
most
impact,
translating
minutes,
probably
not
as
impactful
right
now,
as
like
the
minutes
from
the
early
early
meetings
versus
the
presentations
that
you've
received.
K
So
that's
like
the
two
big
things
they
did
not
approve
outside
counsel
and
the
main
reason
it
sounds
like
in
their
discussion,
for
not
approving
outside
counsel
was
not.
K
Yes
approved
the
additional
research
that
will
and
community
outreach,
so
we'll
be
working
with
warrants
on
his
scope
for
civic
makers
to
expand
their
scope
to
include
that.
N
So
I
could
just
clarify
that
before
I
go
further:
expand
our
scope
to
contract
with
the
outside
community
organizations
to
reach
the
populations
that
are
most
important
to
this.
This
body
also
to
work
with
those
organizations
to
help
us
develop
the
materials
that
we
want
to
translate
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
putting
out
is
being
framed
in
a
way
that
those
communities
can
understand.
So,
basically,
one
of
our
next
steps
is
going
to
be
working
on
a
draft
community
engagement
plan
that
would
leverage
the
advice,
help,
consultation
and
outreach
services
of
local
organizations.
N
So
there's
more
to
come
on
that,
there's
been
a
lot
of
input
from
you
all.
I'm
gonna
try
and
reflect
that
as
best
we
can.
But
I
just
wanted
to
do
a
quick
interjection
on
that
front
and
I'll
turn
it
back
to
tony
about
the
the
outside
counsel.
K
Right,
so
the
outside
counsel
is
the
part
that
nobody
quite
understood,
I'm
gonna,
actually
try,
I'm
very
uncomfortable
not
having
the
video
on
so
we're
gonna
give
it
a
shot.
K
It's
it's
almost
distracting
to
just
speak
into
nothing
that
feels
so
they
were
partially
supportive
of
outside
counsel,
but
they
couldn't
figure
out
why
you
needed
outside
counsel
so
that
they
instruct
me
to
come
back
and
talk
to
you,
and
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
hear
you
guys
articulate
why
outside
counsel
is
important
to
you
and
then
I
want
to
read
that
back,
because
I
think
we
had
a
lot
of
generalized
conversation
about
it,
but
nothing
that
we
could
really
just
like
concretely
say.
K
This
is
why
they
want
why
outside
counsel
is
needed.
You
know
they
looked
at
whether
or
not
it's
a
conflict
of
interest,
and
they
said
it's
not.
The
feeling
is
the
city
attorney
does
not
have
a
conflict
of
interest
in
this
particular
discussion
or
in
the
charter
review.
D
And
I
I
would
add,
to
the
frame
of
saying
really
what
specific
needs
do
you
think
the
city
attorney's
office
cannot
fulfill
to
assist
preparing
the
recommendations,
so
we
we
really
have
to
be
clear
to
make
this
case
so
not
so
much.
Why
would
we
use
outside
counsel
lots
of
reasons
for
that?
But
really
it's
what
specific
needs?
Do
you
think
city
attorney's
office
cannot
fulfill
to
assist
us
in
preparing
our
recommendations.
G
Okay,
you
know,
I
really
appreciated
the
the
president
both
presentations
tonight.
I
think
they
really
help
us
to
kind
of
have
a
framework
of
our
work
and
looking
at
the
question
about
outside
counsel
from
an
equity
lens
is
that
if
you
look
at
where
we
are
today,
I
mean
I
think
bob
brownstein
presented
very
good
questions
as
to
how
we
can
look
at
at
the
questions
before
us.
G
I
mean
he
was
talking
specifically
about
recommendations
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at,
but
we
can
look
at
everything
that
we
do
through
the
same
kind
of
questions
in
that
equity
lens,
and
so,
if
we
think
in
our
city
of
you
know
and
bob
brownstein
names,
several
you
know
issues
where
there
is
inequity
in
our
city.
So
we
are
actually
you
know
needing
to
disrupt
some
of
that.
G
If
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
equity-
and
so
I
would
say,
an
independent
council
is
one
way
to
help
us
separate
from
lack
of
a
better
word.
The
status
quo,
the
the
internal
ongoing
process
and
procedures
that
are
always
kind
of
accepted
and
give
us
more
independence,
and
so
that
we
can
do
some
of
this
equity
work.
N
Thank
you
other
thoughts
from
commissioners,
commissioner
siegel
and
commissioner
matamara.
L
I
just
wanted
to
echo:
there
was
a
caller
who,
when
this
question
came
up-
and
it
may
be
the
I
don't-
I
don't
remember
the
caller's
name,
but
he
he
used
to
work
for
the
city,
and
he
said
that
when
this
goes
to
vote,
it's
going
to
cost
30
35
million
dollars
anyway.
L
So
if
right
now
at
the
onset,
we
can
really
accurately
figure
out
how
we
are
going
to
put
this
before
the
citizens
of
san
jose,
that
that
will
save
ourselves
a
lot
of
money
and
time
in
the
end,
because
lots
and
lots
of
outside
attorneys
are
going
to
be
picking
this
thing
apart.
Millions
of
dollars
are
going
to
be
thrown
at
this
election,
and
so
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
let
attorney
venini.
L
Just
I'm
sorry
mark
vanni
to
be
the
you
know,
the
all
of
it
to
be
on
his
shoulders
when
he
actually
is
representing
a
lot
of
other
issues
for
this
city
that,
in
fact
it
would
really
help
the
the
city
attorney's
office,
as
well
as
the
citizens
of
san
jose,
to
have
an
independent
attorney
on
our
side.
I'm
not
saying
this
is
my
position.
I'm
just
reiterating
what
I
thought
was
good
reasoning
by
someone
who
commented.
N
Thanks,
commissioner
matsumura.
R
J
J
Yes,
it's
appropriate
for
the
commission
to
to
have
outside
counsel,
and
yet
it
sounds
like
in
detroit,
there's
been
a
general
person's
agreement,
and
so
you
know
the
question
would
be
why
why
don't
the
mayor
and
and
council
want
us
to
have
outside
counsel,
just
recognizing
that
there
is
that
inherent
challenge
you
know,
and
if
I
I
think
about
it
personally,
would
I
want
my
own
attorney
to
be
hired
by
someone
else
and
to
report
to
someone
else.
J
Bottom
line
we
need
this
is
a
complex
legal
issue
and
we
need
legal
counsel
working,
as
mr
satchel
said,
in
close
collaboration
complementarily
to
the
office
of
the
city
attorney,
but
to
be
working
with
us,
and
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
is
what
I
did
here
in
in
the
city
council
debate
is.
It
seems
that
there
was
some
openness
to
this
this
issue
if
a
conflict
of
interest
were
to
arise,
but
the
problem
is,
unless
we
encumber
the
money
now
and
begin
an
rfp
process.
J
Now
all
of
that
could
take
months.
If
we
wait
until
a
conflict
of
interest
arises,
it
could
take
literally
three
to
four
months
to
get
funding
and
do
an
rfp
process.
We
need
to
have
those
resources
lined
up
already
and
we
need
to
to
establish
a
way
that
we
can
make
a
determination
of
what
the
scope
is
necessary
for
outside
counsel
and
and
where
we're
going
to
determine
that.
F
Thank
you.
I
think
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
my
sentiments
really
align
with
what
commissioner
matsumura
shared.
I
think
you
know
mr
satchel
shared
you
know
very
eloquently
about
independence
from
city
attorney
from
the
mayor
and
council
and
having
that
true
independence
in
you
know,
you
know
when
the
city
attorney
and
mayor
and
council
decide
what
is
you
know
what
is
deemed?
F
You
know
independent
or
a
conflict
of
interest,
and
I
think
you
know
just
around
you
know
lining
up
and
procuring
the
funding
now
so
in
case
we
ever
do
down
the
road
find
ourselves
we're
in
a
position
where
the
city
attorney's
office
is
in
a
conflict
of
interest
that
we're
not
going
to
take
four
or
five
months
to
to
put.
You
know
to
put
out
rfp
to
bid
that
we
haven't
lined
up
and
we
can
fill
that
gap.
N
Thanks
additional
thoughts
from
commissioners
about
this
question.
F
Yeah
no,
I
just
see
that
mr
brownstein
had
raised
his
hand,
and
I
know
that
when
he
had
the
opportunity
to
present
in
front
of
us,
he
had
some
very
strong
thoughts
and
recommendations
on
why
we
should
be
going
from
outside
counsel.
So,
please
of
the
chair.
I
would
like
to
ask
for
mr
brownstein
this
week.
D
C
Yeah,
my
understanding
and
I'm
not
I'm
you
know
I
I
mean
I'm
not
an
expert
on
all
the
the
law.
That's
that's
practiced
there
in
city
city
hall,
but
my
understanding
is
that
they're
hired
in
for
certain
areas
of
expertise
and
so
and
so
we're
bringing
them
in
to
help
us
and
it
may
not
be
their
area
of
expertise
and
it
may
not.
C
We
may
not
get
the
best
advice
from
them
on
top
of
all
the
other
jobs
they're
doing
so
I
I
for
one
really
feel
that
we
need
to
seek
our
own
counsel
as
we
move
forward,
especially
especially
they
want
us
to
do
the
best
job
possible.
That's
the
bottom
line.
Now
they
don't,
but
I
guess
we're
stuck
with
with
the
attorneys
there.
I'm
not
saying
they're,
not
they're,
not
good
attorneys,
but
I
think
I
think
moving
forward.
C
We
really
do
would
really
would
benefit
from
having
our
own
legal
counsel
to
to
this
commission.
Thank
you.
M
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
raise
for
the
commission's
consideration
that
when
we
talk
about
like
conflict
of
interest,
it's
about
you
know,
parties
groups
being
in
adverse.
You
know
conflict
with
each
other,
some
sort
of
argument
and
we're
in
the
context
of
san
jose
different
than
the
city
of
detroit.
I
was
listening
to
our
previous
speaker.
M
You
know
they
have
independent
counsel,
because
they're
running
a
campaign
to
go
directly
to
the
voters
to
change
the
charter
and
it
is
a
check
on
the
mayor,
whereas
in
san
jose
our
process
goes
back
ultimately
to
the
council
anyway,
we're
making
a
recommendation
and
the
council
can
accept
everything
they
can
amend
a
recommendation.
They
can
not
take
anything.
We
recommend
so
we're,
essentially
writing
a
research
paper
to
the
best
of
our
ability
to
form
the
best
recommendations
we
can,
and
in
that
context
I
don't
know
that
there
would
ever
be
a
conflict.
M
G
Yeah,
I
was
gonna,
say
something
similar
to
councilmember
dieppe.
You
know
the
detroit
model
is
completely
different
from
what
we're
doing
in
detroit
they're
elected
officials
and
they
are
able
to
hire
and
fire
their
own
staff
we're
an
advisory
body
to
the
council.
G
That's
all
we
are
and,
as
mr
yep
said,
you
know
we're
going
to
give
that
the
council
our
best
shot
at
what
they're
asking
us
to
to
look
at
and
they
can
either
take
it
or
not.
With
regard
to
the
to
the
council,
you
know
he's
he's
assigned
to
us
to
help
us.
G
I
don't
understand
the
adversary
position,
that's
being
taken
with
regard
to
our
council,
he's
going
to
be
helping
us
with
our
duties
and
to
help
write
whatever
it
is
that
we
want
to
bring
to
the
council
we're
going
to
have
the
opportunity
to
review
what
he's
going
to
write
before
it
ever
goes
to
the
council.
So
it's
it's.
I
just
don't
understand
the
the
issue
at
all.
There
is
no
conflict
of
interest,
although
the
council
did
say
you
know,
unless
there's
a
a
palatable
conflict
of
interest
or
some
other
concern.
G
You
know
that
they
were
going
to
stay
with
the
city
council,
but
if
another,
if
the
conflict
of
interest,
I
don't
know
how
it
would
possibly
happen
or
some
other
concern
came
up,
then
they
might
look
at
the
issue
again,
but
you
know
I
don't
think
we
can
really
compare
what
we're
doing
with
the
city
of
detroit
and
their
their
absolute
necessity
for
outside
council.
I
would
have
supported
outside
council
if
I
was
on
their
commission.
We're
totally
different
we're
advisory
to
the
council.
G
N
E
Oh
thank
you
lawrence.
I
think,
because
we
are
an
advisory
council
that
it
is
important,
even
more
so
to
remove
undue
influences,
and
I
think
that's
why
some
of
their
commissioners
are.
You
know
asking
for
a
general
counsel.
N
Great,
thank
you
last
call
again.
City
clerk
is
asking
for
you
to
help
clarify
the
request
from
this
commission
for
additional
funding
for
general
counsel.
So
this
is
your.
This
is
your
moment
to
to
to
help
bolster
the
argument,
and
if
we
don't
have
any
more
tony,
do
you
want
to
report
back.
K
K
Let
me
read
back:
it
obviously
needs
to
be
wordsmith.
I
was
writing
as
fast
as
I
can.
One
maria
said
that
independent
council
will
separate
the
crc
from
the
ins
internal
status
quo
to
do
work
towards
equity.
K
I
have
from
magnolia
because
when
this
goes
to
vote,
it
will
cost
a
significant
amount
of
money.
It
would
be
good
to
have
outside
counsel
ahead
of
time,
because
the
outside
counts.
Other
outside
councils
are
going
to
pick
apart.
The
the
commission,
the
not
the
commission,
the
measure,
so
it
would
be
good
to
have
an
outside
perspective
ahead
of
time
I
and
then
from
ellie.
K
I
have
that
it's
good
to
get
ahead
of
it
ahead
of
any
potential
conflict
of
interest.
Encumber
now
do
an
rfp
now,
so
the
conflict
does
come
up,
we're
ready
to
go,
and
she
also
said
that
it's
the
job
of
the
city
attorney's
office
to
work
for
the
city
of
san
jose,
so
it
puts
the
city
in
an
awkward
position
and
that
you
need
legal
counsel
to
work
for
us,
jeremy
echoed
the
getting
ahead
of
any
conflict
of
interest
and
doing
encumbering
and
doing
an
rfp
early.
K
City
attorneys
are
hired
for
certain
areas
of
expertise,
so
we
may
not
have
a
currently
staffed
attorney
that
for
whom
this
is
their
area
of
expertise,
whereas
we
could
get
that
from
outside
counsel.
And
then
I
wrote
down
the
comments
from
lundy
and
linda.
Do
you?
I
don't
know
if
you
want
me
to
repeat
those
back,
because
they
were
not
supporting
outside
counsel,
but
lund
said
that
ultimately
in
london,
linda
both
said,
ultimately
the
council's
making
the
decision.
K
So
we
don't
need
to
have
an
attorney
to
sort
of
craft,
your
own
independent
ballot
measure
and
then
christina
said
to
that
outside
counsel,
reduce
undue
influences
and
provides
better
optics.
G
Yeah
I
mean
I
tony,
I
wish
you
would
watch
the
recording,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
councilmember
dieps
and
my
counter
arguments
be
heard
by
the
council
as
well.
Yeah.
I
R
D
N
Sure-
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
the
sorry
that's
the
wrong
screen-
that
the
memo
that
came
in
from
commissioners,
calendar
matsumura
and
vice
chair
johnson
today,
I
have
not
had
a
chance
to
really
process
that
gosh.
I
keep
sharing
this
wrong
wrong,
screen
process
that
or
reflect
the
the
recommendations
in
what
I'm
gonna
share
with
you
right
now,
but
I
will
just
go
ahead
and
share,
and
where
are
we
apologies
here?
N
N
Conversations
I
had
with
the
chair
and
city
staff
what
you
know
what
I
did
was.
I
basically
looked
at
the.
How
do
we
break
out
these
three
buckets
into
more
specific
topics?
To
do
that,
we
looked
at
the
the
list
of
possible
recommendations.
N
This
was,
as
I've
mentioned,
something
that
I've
been
trying
to
keep
as
new
ideas
come
up
both
from
you
all
and
from
guest
speakers.
Just
a
running
list
here
of
at
least
conversation
starting
points
that
can
be
looked
at
into
further
in
subcommittees,
as
well
as
proposals
that
came
up
last
summer
and
were
cited
in
mayor
and
council
memos.
So
this
is
a
living
document
again.
The
idea
here
is
to
just
track
the
conversation
and
seed
the
work
of
the
subcommittees.
With
with
this
list.
I
won't
go
into
it.
N
There
will
be
many
more
to
add
here,
but
this
is
just
a
way
to
jump
start
the
conversation.
So
I
also
added
that.
I
don't
think
that
we
have
the
the
right
list
of
subcommittees
yet,
and
I
think
the
what
was
shared
in
the
the
memo
gets
into
more
detail.
I
also
you
know.
I
think
that
we,
as
far
as
this
third
bucket
there's,
been
some
interest
from
commissioners
to
do
a
public
hearing
to
help
understand
what
could
be
comprised
under
this
bucket.
N
Now
that
we
have
additional
funding
for
community
engagement
and
we
can
map
out
what
our
first
public
hearing
could
look
like
you
know,
I
do
want
to
to
ask
commissioners
to
give
us,
on
the
logistics
side
a
little
time
to
think
about
what
the
calendar
will
look
like
and
how
that
might
inform
what
we
hear
from
the
public
and
how
that
might
inform
the
the
final
subcommittee
structures
and
and
the
specific
topics
I
agree,
we're
not
there.
Yet.
N
I
did
want
to
try
and
bring
just
a
little
bit
more
definition
to
how
the
subcommittees
could
operate.
This
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
Hopefully
it
reflects
some
of
the
intent
about
the
memo
that
we
shared,
but
really
we
want
to
get
a
lead
for
each
subcommittee
a
couple
other
roles,
including
notetaker
researcher
researchers.
N
Right
now,
after
conversation
with
the
city
attorney,
we
are
recommending
that
commissioners
only
join
one
subcommittee
and
not
attend
other
subcommittees
to
avoid
a
serial
meeting
conflict
of
the
brown
act.
I
see
in
the
memo
that
there
was
a
request
that
we
figure
out
ways
we're
talking
to
the
city
attorney.
If
we
can
come
up,
they
think
we
will
right
now
we're
operating
on
the
on
the
side
of
caution
on
that
regard.
N
That
will
also
influence
how
subcommittees
can
talk
to
each
other
so
that
you
know
again
we're
we're
staying
within
the
balance
of
the
of
the
brown
act.
I've
got
a
proposed
kind
of
meeting
process
here,
a
rough
agenda.
This
is
all
up
for
debate,
but
you
know
I
really
again
to
build
the
capacity
of
committees
to
be
moving
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
wanted
to
to
put
some
for
some
ideas
to
to
how
the
subcommittees
will
actually
operate
and
also
the
communication
rules.
N
Really
we
are
asking
you
all
to
use
your
at
least
cc
or
official
official
commission
email
addresses
for
all
communications,
and
thank
you
all
for,
as
you
continue
to
start
to
do
that.
I
really
appreciate
the
emails
that
have
been
coming
in
to
me
from
your
official
commission
emails
right
now
again
because
of
the
brand
act,
violations
and
serial
meetings.
We're
asking
the
email
threads
for
subcommittees
only
include
commissioners
assigned
to
that
specific
subcommittee.
N
We
don't
have
the
assignments
yet,
but
again,
we're
putting
the
essentially
the
bylaws
into
place
here
and
subcommittees
must
avoid
communicating
with
each
other
to
avoid
a
serial
meeting
violation
of
the
brown
act.
The
idea
here
is
that
we're
going
to
need
to
have
some
way
during
commission
meetings
to
share
communication
between
subcommittees
and
the
chair,
and
I
and
and
city
clerk
and
the
secretary
are
talking
and
the
city
attorney
are
talking
through
ways
to
do
that.
N
There's
been
some
requests
for
specific
specific
topics
or
additional
research,
and
I
think
some
uncertainty
about
really
how
this
whole
subcommittee
process
is
going
to
work
from
commissioners.
N
Really.
The
idea
is
that,
after
we
finish
up
the
study
phase
and
we
set
up
the
subcommittee
membership
and
the
list
of
topics-
and
we
have
kickoff
meetings
that
you
all
go,
do
your
work
to
investigate
research,
do
a
deep
analysis
of
potential
topics
for
consideration
and
that
you
use
the
template
that
we
provided.
That
will
inevitably
have
some
additions
and
revisions
for
basically
a
a
recommendation
memo,
and
this
is
what
we
heard
from
the
the
representatives
from
the
detroit
charter
commission,
which
I'm
glad
to
hear
they
used
a
similar
process.
N
I
think
it
should
be
fairly
effective
and
I
want
to
reflect
some
of
the
things
we've
heard
to
add
to
that,
but
that's
again
a
starting
point,
but
the
I
think
the
goal
of
the
commission.
The
subcommittees
is
going
to
be
to
do
the
work
of
taking
these
germ
seed
of
an
idea
and
and
putting
into
that
doing
the
work
to
get
it
into
that
memo
of
a
potential
recommendation
to
bring
back
for
discussion,
but
for
the
full
committee.
N
We
do
recognize
that
we're
going
to
need
to
move
around
the
work
plan
to
facilitate
enough
time
for
subcommittees
to
to
do
that
work,
especially
given
the
breadth
of
some
of
these
topics.
N
So
we
will
be
working
on
that
again
now
that
there's
additional
funding
for
community
engagement
will
be
before
our
next
meeting
reworking
the
the
the
work
plan
timeline
to
think
about
a
public
hearing
and
how
we
might
structure
the
timeline
for
to
enable
to
work
in
the
subcommittees
and
also
calendar
out
the
specific
discussions
or
the
recommendations
that
are
brought
back
from
subcommittees.
N
But
really
you
know,
my
hope
is
that
each
subcommittee
can
provide
brief,
regular
written
reports
for
the
full
subcommission
for
the
full
commission
with
something
like
the
following
information
information.
Current
list
of
topics
under
consideration.
Sorry,
that's
a
typo
there
any
questions.
The
subcommittee
would
like
to
bring
back
to
the
group
and
then
a
list
of
attached
draft
recommendation
memos
for
commission
so
again
to
address
the
need
for
for
the
full
commission,
but
also
subcommittees
to
be
able
to
understand,
what's
happening
in
other
subcommittees.
N
We
want
to
create
some
kind
of
flow
information
from
subcommittees
to
the
full
commission
back
to
subcommittees,
but
again
need
to
be
aware
of
potential
serial
meeting
violations
of
the
brown
act.
We'll
do
our
best
to
scope
that
out
the
city
attorney
is
mark
has
been
very
helpful
in
that
regard,
and
then
again
we
have
the
recommendations
process
which
marks
out
at
a
high
level
what
was
included
in
the
template
that
I
shared
last
time-
and
you
know
I
think
we
heard
some
great
recommendations
tonight-
to
improve
this
even
further.
N
The
last
thing
I'll
share
is
just
that
we
did
a
little
bit
of
rearrangement
of
the
the
work
plan
here.
Actually
I
realized
that
I
have
a
note
for
myself
to
move
up
election
timing,
and
I
didn't
do
that
before
I
sent
this
out,
although
this
is
yeah,
this
is
the
one
that
was
sent
out
so
the
the
recommendation
on
the
commissioner
memo
about
moving
up
election
timing.
N
We
agree
that
was
my
intention
actually
to
to
put
this
at
the
top
here
and
have
more
time
for
both
governance
structure
and
additional
measures
subcommittees
to
do
their
work.
This
is
a
dynamic
process,
we're
doing
our
best
to
figure
it
out
and,
like
I
said,
I
think,
with
the
kind
of
scoping
out
what
the
community
engagement
looks
like
coming
back
to
you
all
on
the
17th,
with
a
a
really,
I
think,
a
more
final
proposal
of
what
the
the
next
phase
of
work,
both
for
community
engagement
and
recommendation
discussion
could
look
like.
N
The
last
thing
I'll
say
is
that,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
that
the
the
additional
funds,
the
quickest
way,
that
the
city
clerk
could
figure
out
how
to
use
those
funds
once
they
were
approved
by
the
council,
was
to
expand
the
scope
of
civic
makers
to
contract
with
additional
partners
to
do
both
the
research
as
well
as
the
community
engagement
and
outreach.
So
it's
my
intention
to
put
together
some
thoughts.
N
What
specifically
that
could
look
like
start
talking
to
organizations
this
week
and
really
get
that
going
as
soon
as
possible,
especially
around
understanding
what
the
core
materials
are,
that
we
need
to
translate
and
start
to
how
we
frame
the
messaging
based
on
the
input
from
the
community
partners,
so
that
we
are
talking
about
this
conversation
in
the
language
that
is
understood
by
the
communities
we
want
to
listen
to
and
that
we
know
we
understand
it
by
representatives
of
the
communities,
helping
us
doing
that
message
framing
itself.
So
I'm
excited
about
it.
N
I
congratulate
you
all
on
making
that
that
argument
and
and
the
chair
for
for
making
sure
that
it
was
passed,
and
I
will
do
my
best
to
to
honor.
You
know
your
your
interest
in
that
community
engagement,
and
so
please
be
patient
with
me
and
with
us,
as
we
figure
that
out,
and
I
think
I'll
just
stop
there
unless
there
was
anything
else
that
the
chair
wanted
me
to
to
share
no.
D
That's
it.
I
see
four
hands
from
commissioners
and
mr
calendar
had
his
hand
up.
I
don't
know
if
it's
still
up,
but
mr
siegel,
why
don't
we
start
with
you.
L
Thank
you
so
much,
I'm
a
little
unsure
about
the
subcommittee
spending
so
much
time
on
topics
that
the
majority
will
not
be
listening
to
and
then
the
majority
will
just
be
getting
our
overview
of
recommendations,
but
won't
have
had
the
time
to
really
understand
why
we
reached
those
recommendations
and
all
the
data
we
may
have
heard
or
the
speakers
we
may
have
invited,
and
so
my
question
is:
will
the
majority
be
voting
on
whether
the
recommendations,
the
subcommittees,
make
actually
make
it
to
the
council
members,
or
is
that
just
an
issue
for
the
subcommittees?
L
N
Yeah,
I
mean
the
the
intention
here,
and
I
think
we
heard
it
from
the
folks
from
detroit
is
that
the
subcommittees
are
tasked
with
really
vetting
these
ideas,
doing
the
hard
work
of
researching
it
and
bring
it
back
to
the
full
commission
for
discussion
and
decision
about
whether
it
should
be
put
forth
into
a
final
recommendation
or
or
not.
Inevitably,
I
think
that
there
probably
will
be
at
least
some
conversation
about
consensus,
if
not
voting
on
specific
things.
N
But
the
idea
here
is
that
the
the
subcommittees
do
the
work
to
make
sure
that
this
commission
has
a
productive
conversation
about
a
topic
that
has
been
fully
thought
out
as
much
as
possible
by
the
the
subcommittees
themselves.
The
the
practical,
the.
N
Let
me
how
do
I
phrase
this?
The
the
reality
of
the
situation
is
that
we
have
to
you
have
to
deliver
recommendations
by
mid-december.
I
need
to
facilitate
that
process
for
you
and
if
we
were
to
have
full
discussions
of
every
topic
by
the
full
commission,
we
would
never
get
there.
So
we
really
did
need
to
do
enable
you
all
to
do
the
work
you
know
in
in
your
time.
N
Outside
of
these
meetings,
which
is
so
much
and
you
know,
I
really
appreciate
the
continued
commitment
from
you
all
to
do
that,
but
that's
going
to
need
to
happen
to
make
sure
that
all
the
topics
that
you
want
to
talk
about
are
really
thought
about
in
the
the
depth
and
intention
and
nuance
that
they
will
require
and
then
can
enable
a
conversation
by
the
full
committee.
So
I
hope
that
answers
your
question
and
I
the
kind
of
yeah
was
there
a
comment
chair
vice
chair
johnson
pleasure
johnson.
Go
ahead.
Yep.
E
I
had
multiple
questions.
One
is
I
noticed
in
this
and
there
isn't
talk
about
how
the
public
can
communicate
with
us.
I
think
the
detroit
commissioners
brought
it
up
how
important
it
is
for
the
public
to
be
engaged
in
the
subcommittee
process.
Two.
I
want
more
of
a
defined
timeline
on
how
the
community
engagement
plan
looks
like,
and
I
want
to
be
involved
in
that
process.
As
vice
chair
and
then
three
I
complete.
Oh,
can
we
have
a
motion.
D
So
a
couple
things
I
would
say
is
the
community
engagement
plan
will
include
the
timeline.
The
timeline
will
then
help
us
to
understand.
When
does
the
public
hearings
happen,
since
we
need
to
have
the
public
engaged
with
our
community
partners
in
order
to
have
that
first
public
hearing
so
next
meeting
the
consultants
will
bring
back
our
plan
to
be
like
okay,
here's
the
plan,
here's
the
timeline
and
here's
where
the
public
hearings
fit
in
now
that
we
know
how
much
time
it's
going
to
take
to
engage
and
contract
with
our
community
partners.
D
N
I
can
commit
to
getting
you
something
to
review
by
the
end
of
next
friday,
as
we
talked
about
as
far
as
our
communications
cadence,
so
that
you
all
have
the
weekend
to
review,
and
we
can
have
a
deeper
discussion
about
that
next
next
monday,
if
you
have
additional
ideas
in
addition
to
the
memo
that
we
shared
again,
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
really
review
that
memo
since
it
was
shared
today.
N
So
I
would
appreciate
direct
emails
or
anything
that
you
would
like
to
see
reflected
they'll
do
my
best
to
incorporate
it
and
again
your
patience
because
we're
just
trying
our
best.
You
know
on
a
tight
turnaround
here
and
I
I
I
hope
that
I
can
just
offer
you
my.
I
hope
I've
developed
some
good
faith
from
you
all
that
I'm
trying
to
honor
your
efforts
and
and
not
try
and
behind
the
scenes,
change
things
and
and
cut
anything
short.
N
D
The
other
question
you
had
vice
chair
johnson
was
about
public
input
into
the
subcommittee
process,
and
I'm
going
to
take
that.
I
took
note
of
that
tonight
and
I'm
going
to
take
that
to
the
city
attorney
to
make
sure
that
we
are
clear
about
what
the
rules
would
be
about
that
if
we
can
do
that,
what
we're
what
we're
challenged
by
is
up
and
spoke
rules,
not
just
serial
meeting
but
oven
spoke.
So
we'll
definitely
have
to
answer
that
question
and
have
legal.
Give
us
some
some
answers
to
that
as
well.
Commissioner,.
I
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
thank
you
lawrence
for
for
helping
to
get
things
organized
and
giving
us
a
few
more
pointers.
My
concern
with
the
committee
structure
is
with
the
first
one
structure,
government
and
the
third
one.
I
Basically,
the
accessibility,
equity
issues,
new
things
that
can
be
brought
up,
especially
if
there's
no
communication
among
the
groups,
because
there
are
things
that
that
those
groups
the
third
group
could
deal
with
and
electing
a
police
chief
is
one
of
the
things
that's
been
on
a
list
and
a
couple
of
other
things
like
that.
That
would
totally
change.
I
think
the
way
the
rest
of
city
government
is
looked
at.
You
know.
I
If
you
were
going
to
have
police
chief
political
office,
you
would
surely
make
the
mayor
more
powerful
or
you
know
not
in
that
case,
if
you
had
a
a
a
city
manager,
primary
form
of
government,
you
would
have
the
police
chief
as
the
most
powerful
elected
official
of
the
city
and
and
I'd
also
point
to
some
challenges
of
of
this
county
and
some
other
counties
which
now
you
have
gone
away
from
an
elected
chief.
I
D
So
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is,
as
we
started
to
look
at
the
list
of
options.
What
I
think
the
subcommittees
will
have
to
do
is
get
a
scope
to
be
able
to
get
our
scopes
first,
so
that
everybody
has
kind
of
a
general
idea
of
what
are
the
topic
areas
that
the
subcommittees
are
going
to
look
at,
and
the
commission's
going
to
have
to
weigh
in
on
agreement
around
those
scopes,
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
having
subcommittees
talking
about
things
that
don't
connect
to
each
other,
that
we
have
a
real.
D
We
have
real
caution
around
subcommittees,
communicating
with
each
other,
otherwise
we're
going
to
create
a
ceremony
really
fast.
So
one
of
the
first
steps
in
the
subcommittee
process
is
to
really
be
able
to
tease
out
who's
covering
what
and
then
let
them
go
work
and
then
bring
back
to
the
full
commission.
Commissioner
manley.
I
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
I
just
want
to
recognize
the
amount
of
work
that
went
into
this
commissioner
memorandum
that
was
delivered
to
us
today,
but
I'd
like
to
respectfully
object
to
it
being
presented
in
this
evening.
We
should
not
be
receiving
documents
that
we
can't
have
an
opportunity
to
read,
and
then
I
know
we're
not
acting
on
it.
I
don't
believe
tonight,
but
having
it
be
part
of
our
discussion
tonight,
there's
a
lot
in
here
and
kind
of
a
lot
that
needs
to
be
digested
by
us.
I
D
Yeah,
thank
you,
commissioner,
mainly,
and
we
are
not
taking
action
on
the
memo
tonight.
It's
not
on
the
agenda.
If
commissioners
have
opinions
that
are
in
that
memo,
that's
certainly
their
prerogative
to
bring
them
up
tonight.
So
we're
just
commenting
really
on
lawrence's
proposal.
The
consultant's
proposal
and
lots
of
you
have
ideas
about
that,
including
things
that
are
in
the
memo.
So
we're
not
here.
D
On
the
memo,
I
appreciate
your
your
peace
and
I
appreciate
staffs
really
being
respectful
of
the
guidelines
we
gave
them
after
the
suggestion
of
commissioner
lizot
and
we
have
been
sticking
to
those
timelines.
But
again
when
what
I
said
before
was
when
other
notes
from
the
public
or
anyone's
comes
in
off
that
timeline,
you'll
get
them,
but
we're
not
necessarily
we're
not
going
to
be
acting
on
them.
J
Thank
you
so
just
on
that
piece,
I
hope
that
we
can
actually
discuss
this
process
a
little
bit
more
because
and
and
my
colleagues
who
who
are
also
on
the
level,
should
speak
to
it
as
well.
But
I
see
our
our
role
as
commissioners
is,
is
really
to
consider
the
staff
recommendations
first
and
take
the
lead
from
the
staff,
and
so
you
know
what
what
we
did
was.
J
We
need
to
be
able
to
take
that
leadership,
but
otherwise,
if,
if
we
can't
then
respond
to
that
and
make
proposals
and
alterations
for
more
than
two
weeks
until
the
next
meeting
that
that
really
creates
sort
of
a
delay
and
a
slowness
in
our
ability
to
operate
as
a
commission
and
to
work.
And
it
seems
to
me
that
the
alternative
is
that
we're
submitting
memos
that
we've
potentially
done
a
lot
of
work
on
that
are
going
to
be
rendered
irrelevant
because
they
haven't
been
informed
by
what
staff
has
done.
J
So,
if
we're
trying
to
submit
them
in
time
for
friday,
we
wouldn't
have
known
what
what's
going
to
be
put
out.
So
I
absolutely
understand
the
concern,
but
but
really
wonder
how
we're
supposed
to
provide
leadership
as
a
commission.
J
If,
if
we're
not
able
to
to
put
out
feedback
on
staff,
work
and
and
have
that
addressed
in
a
timely
manner,.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner,
matsumura,
and
I
appreciate
the
hard
work
and
I
was
able
to
kind
of
get
through
the
memo
today.
I
feel
like
there
was
a
lot
of
work
put
into
that
the
challenge.
I
think
that
we
face
as
a
commission
is
the
time
delay.
We're
posting
our
agendas
a
week
before,
and
then
we
try
to
work
during
that
week
to
get
you
materials
by
friday,
so
the
the
notion
that
commissioners
are
going
to
be
able
to
digest
information
on
that
same
day
that
they
receive
it
again.
D
We
had
talked
about
earlier
that
that's
probably
never
going
to
be
able
to
happen
for
a
full
commission
to
be
able
to
respond
to
it.
So
I
I
appreciate
the
the
efforts
I
would.
I
respectfully
totally
disagree
that
it's
irrelevant
the
notions
and
the
issues
that
are
raised
tonight
are
things
that
we'll
be
working
on
as
the
now
that
we
have,
the
council's
approval
will
get
the
work
plan
and
you'll
be
able
to,
as
you
have
the
entire
time
of
this
commission,
give
lots
of
input
into
what
we
want
to
do
so.
D
The
fuller
proposal
tonight
was
simply
the
beginning
of
this
conversation
and
the
next
piece
you'll
get
will
have
both
all
the
input
the
commissioners
have
given
tonight,
as
well
as
the
memorandum
that
you
sent
and
there
will
be
a
full
discussion.
D
The
other
challenge
we
have
is
we
have
a
number
of
speakers
that
the
commission's
asked
for
and
we've
been
scheduled
to,
and
then
we
had
additional
conversation
about
council.
So
this
would
have
been
a
longer
conversation,
but
I
that's
the
challenge
that
we're
facing
mr
maslow.
J
Yes,
just
very
very
briefly,
so
I
wonder
if
we
can
work
on
methods
to
adjust
that,
because
I
I
just
think
it's
not
going
to
be
functional
to
to
have
a
two-week
delay
more
than
two
weeks.
As
I
said,
the
other
piece
is
just
for
clarification.
I
do
believe
that
this
is
agenda,
so
then
it
would
be,
if
there's
a
discretion
from
the
chair
that
the
chair
is
not
going
to
accept
motions.
I
do.
I
do
believe
that
that's
that's
allowed,
but
but
we
do
have
agendas.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
did
want
to
speak
to
that.
I
do
believe
we
do
have
the
work
plan
in
front
of
us,
so
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
are
spoken
to
in
the
memo
are
actually
to
address
the
work
plan
and
I
have
to
say
I
agree
with
commissioner
marshman,
where
I
I
am
concerned
about
having
smaller
conversations
with
smaller
work
groups
that
we
have
never
seen
as
a
whole.
You
know
that,
regardless
of
where,
where
you
land
on
these
issues,
I
don't
want
to
give
the
same.
F
Miss
marshman
mention
the
the
police
chief.
Well,
if
we're
going
to
have
that
discussion,
I
believe
we
should
be
hearing
it
as
a
whole
in
in
terms
of
this
entire
body.
Hence
that's
what
the
basis
of
the
of
the
memo
was
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
participating
in
these
large
decisions,
because
I
can't
think
of
any
small
decision.
When
you
have
a
catch-all
committee
that
could
be
potentially
heard.
That's
not
going
to
affect
everybody
not
going
to
affect
everyone.
That
was.
F
It
out
as
a
small
ad
hoc
non-brown
act
committee
that
is
not
very
transparent
and
then
we
bring
it
back
and
then
expect
to
have
a
full
discussion
when
it's
probably
not.
I
don't
even
know
if
the
committee
be
representative
of
all
views.
So
so
what
I'd
like
to
see-
and
I
think
this
goes
to
the
to
the
basis
of
the
of
the
memo-
is
how
do
we
make
sure
that
we
we
rocket
those
discussions
in
front
of
us
so
that
we
as
a
body
can
have
them
as
a
whole?
F
F
Mr
marshman
mentioned
that
there
were
some
that
were
elected
that
are
not
elected,
I'd
like
to
get
that
research
and
have
that
kind
of
presentation,
so
that
we
can
all
be
informed
on
these
kind
of
issues
of
governance
issues
that
would
affect
us
in
the
other
portions
of
the
memo
and
things
that
could
come
forward
versus
just
sing
it
to
a
non-brown
act,
minority
of
a
committee,
and
then
we
get
a
recommendation
back
and
we
say
well,
how
did
you?
How
did
you
get
here.
N
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Caller.
Can
I
just
ask
for
clarification?
What
do
you
see
the
role
the
subcommittee
would
be
if
it's
not
to
to
further
develop
proposals
to
bring
forward
for
discussion
for
the
committee.
F
Thank
you,
mr
kardashian.
That's
absolutely
good
question
and
I
think
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we
can't
go
off
on
our
own
and
develop
those
without
being
informed
with
information.
That's
coming
forward
to
help
to
inform
the
entire
committee
so
right
now,
if
those
subcommittees
would
go
off
and
would
discuss
things-
and
I
don't
know
if
ms
martian
miss
marshman
is
representative-
is
represented
on
that
committee.
How
is
she
going
to
ask
questions
about
whatever
research
is
ultimately
done
and
can't
benefit
from
the
discussion?
F
So
what
I'm
saying
is
that
everyone
should
have
the
ability
to
does
this
make
the
process
a
little
bit
more
longer.
This
is
why
I
was
saying
way
back
when
we
need
to
get
into
these
discussions
quicker,
because
here
we
sit
on
may
3rd
and
we
haven't
had
full
discussions
on
things
that
I
believe
I'd
like
to
hear
how
what
other
best
management
practices
are.
So
I
can
form
a
reasonable
recommendation
to
the
council.
G
So
there's
not
overlap,
you're
getting
on
you're,
not
missing
issues
and
then
we'll
do
the
research
in
these
committees
and
then
we'll
bring
it
our
recommendations
to
the
full
board
so
that
to
the
full
commission
so
that
there
can
be
an
additional
conversation.
But
that's
how
subcommittees
work.
I
mean
I
wasn't
in
favor
of
subcommittees
and
now
I'm
hearing
some
people
who
were
now
questioning
whether
or
not
they're
going
to
be
valid
information
given
to
the
whole
board.
G
So
I
mean
I
think
you
need
to
understand
what
a
subcommittee
is
about,
how
their
work
is
going
to
be
informed
by
what
the
whole
commission
wants
each
sub-community
to
work
on.
So
there's
no
overlap
and
the
questions
that
we
want
asked
as
a
commission
are
researched
and
answered,
or
at
least
a
recommendation
comes
out
of
the
subcommittee
back
to
the
commission.
Who
then
decides
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
pass
it
on
to
the
council?
G
This
okay,
my
comment
may
be
a
little
bit
different.
First
of
all,
I
have
several
things
I
want
to
say
number
one
is
that,
after
being
with
all
of
you
and
going
through
everything,
we've
gone
through
on
this
commission,
I
really
believe
that
equity
is,
if
not
the
number
one
one
of
the
main
issues
that
should
be
driving
the
work
that
we
do.
G
We
were
very
fortunate
tonight
to
get
the
presentation.
Those
brief
on
the
the
equity
you
know
from
the
equity
team
in
in
the
city.
G
We
need
to
work
very
closely
with
them
because
they're
they
what
they
presented
was
outstanding
in
my
opinion,
because
they
really
do
have
a
framework.
They've
been
doing
the
work
and
I
hope
they
have
the
time
to
be
a
resource
for
our
group,
because
it's
it's
essential.
We
also
need
to.
I
think
we
need
to
ask
more
time
for
more
time
from
city
council.
G
I
mean,
I
don't
believe
that
we
can
do
the
important
work
that
we
have
before
us
in
terms
of
thinking
about
the
future
of
our
city
and
what
we
need
to
do
in
the
time
that
we've
been
given.
We
need
more
time
and
we
should
be
asking
for
more
time,
and
I
believe
that
that
was
has
always
been
something
that
that
we
can
do
and
then,
in
terms
of
of
just
our
process,
I
mean
we
need
more
time
to
call
on
everyone
and
to
hear
from
everybody
more
than
once.
G
G
I
know
that
you
have
a
challenge,
but
in
terms
of
getting
us
through
the
the
agenda
in
in
a
timely
way,
but
I
don't
appreciate
not
being
able
to
hear
from
everyone
that
has
their
hand
up
even
if
they've
spoken
before
and
let's
see
there
is
something
else
I
I
wanted
to
say.
I
think
that
we
need
to
give
a
lot
more
time
to
to
the
proposal
of
our
work
plan
and
really
think
it
through
and
especially
passing
it
through
the
the
staff,
the
equity
staff.
G
I'm
sorry
that
I
don't
remember
the
acronym
but
the
equity
staff
and
have
them
look
at
it
and
help
out.
You
know,
help
us
to
improve
it.
I
am
concerned
lawrence.
I
don't
know
too
much
about
your
your
group,
but
I
am
concerned
that
automatically
the
outreach
component,
especially,
is
going
to
be
going
to
a
firm
that
I
don't
know
if
they're
qualified
to
to
help
us
really
have
a
good
echo.
I
mean
a
good
outrage
and
community
engagement
component.
D
Mr
commissioner,
tran
and
then
commissioner
amador.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
in
terms
of
our
approach
to
the
work
plan
and
how
we
approach
the
subcommittees,
you
know
the
some
of
this
is
addressed
in
the
memo
that
was
presented
by
our
fellow
commissioners,
and
I
don't
believe
it
takes
too
much
away
from
from
what
we're
focusing
on
right.
F
So
my
my
ask
is
this
one
is,
I
think
we
have
to
commit
to
the
subcommittee
model
one
just
because
it
is
really
impossible
for
us
to
get
through
this
work
without
having
some
kind
of
division
of
labor
here
and
without
us
having
a
little
trust
with
each
other
to
get
through
this
work.
That
said,
you
know
for
the
week.
F
I
think
it
is
important,
though-
and
this
is
what
I
saw
out
of
the
memo
that
was
presented
by
our
fellow
commissioners
if
we
can
find
a
way
for
commissioners
to
participate,
or
at
least
listen
in
or
at
least
get
access
to
the
same
information
as
a
way
for
people
who
want
that.
Doesn't
have
that
desire
to
get
that
raw
information
or
get
that
presentation
without
violating
the
brown
act.
F
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
that's
important
and
ending
can
be
helpful
and,
and
the
big
critical
question
is,
how
do
we
do
that
without
violating
the
brown
act?
So
I
for
one,
am
committed
to
the
subcommittee
structure
because
there's
a
lot
of
ideas
input
out
there
and
I
don't
believe
that
it's
possible
for
us
to
go
through
all
of
that
without
having
to
split
it
up
and
trust
each
other
in
terms
of
getting
some
of
this
work
done.
F
E
Great
thank
you,
and
I
want
to
just
also
echo
commissioner
fuentes
on
given
more
time,
not
only
just
for
commissioners,
but
I
think
for
our
public.
You
know
when
we're
talking
about
engagement.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
inviting
and
welcoming
all
of
comments,
and
so
I
definitely
want
to
honor
that
and
want
to
make
sure
that
we
allocate,
after
any
speaker,
to
hear
their
thoughts
and
to
hear
their
comments.
E
Before
we
comment
on
and
again,
I
feel
very
rushed
on
this
process,
and
I
know
we
don't
have
enough
time
allocated,
but
maybe
it's
time
to
ask
for
more
time,
because
a
rush
process
is
a
process
that
I
think
we're
not
going
to
get
to
a
proper
solution
and
equitable
solution.
Now,
when
it
comes
to
the
equitable
equity,
the
racial
equity
office,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
again,
echoing
commissioner
fuentes,
but
that's
just
what
the
racial
equity
office
talked
about.
E
There's
already
some
toolkits
that
can
support
us
and
maybe,
as
as
commissioners,
we
create
our
own
toolkit
that
either
we
look
through
that
lens
as
a
whole
or
as
subcommittees
that
we
established
that
before
again
deciding
to
go
into
the
subcommittees
or
being
as
a
whole
and
that
we
presented
into
writing.
So
I
think
the
way
that
I've
seen
this
racial
equity
toolkit
being
used
is
that
it's
in
writing
and
it's
able
to
identify
the
impacts
and
the
burdens
that
it
that
any
decision
is
going
to
create
moving
forward.
E
D
Thank
you,
commissioner,
commissioner,.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
everyone's
comments
and
thoughts,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
you
know
anytime,
that
a
body
like
this,
whether
it's
a
commission
or
a
city
council
or
congress
or
state
legislature,
you
know
that
the
idea
of
breaking
those
bodies
down
into
sub-committees
you
have
different
trade-offs.
The
benefit,
of
course,
as
people
have
said,
is
that
with
a
subcommittee,
you
get
more
space
more
time
for
debate
to
really
study.
F
I
don't
think
that
precludes
you
know
having
robust
debates
when
it
comes
back
to
the
fuller
commission
and
but
I
do
think
that
adds
to
understanding
certainly
concerned
about
our
time,
but
we
also
have
to
consider
that
on
the
election
timing
issue,
we
have
an
election
next
year
in
june,
and
so
I
would
also
like
to
ask
the
city
attorney's
office
about
how
much
time
would
be
needed
to
get
the
recommendations
of
this
commission
to
the
council
if
they
went
forward
with
a
a
recommendation
to
put
this
that
particular
issue
on
the
ballot,
how
much
time
would
be
needed
in
order
to
comply
with
state
law?
M
And
then,
of
course,
your
proposal
has
to
be
put
into
a
resolution
that
that
could
go
into
the
ballot
measure
and
that
that
can
take
time
as
well,
and
it
all
really
depends
on
on
what
proposals
you
all
put
forward.
So
the
december
time
frame,
I
believe,
was
put
into
place
so
that
that
would
give
ample
time
for
staff
and
for
the
council
to
consider
the
recommendations
and
still
have
time
to
submit
it
for
the
june
election
if
they
so
desire.
M
M
Yeah,
I
I
just
want
to
take
the
time
to
thank
actually
the
the
authors
of
the
memo.
I
mean.
I
understand
this.
I
actually
think
it's
it's
great,
that
they're
doing
it
and
and
that's
kind
of
the
at
the
level
that
we
as
commissioners
ideally
should
be
working
and-
and
you
know
this
is
how
council
works,
how
the
other
committees
and
bodies
work.
I
think
the
issue
is
not
everyone
on
the
commission
realizes
that
that's
kind
of
something
that
we
as
commissioners
can
do
that
we're
thinking
this
way.
M
Where
we're
grappling
with
an
idea
on
the
agenda
and
like
oh,
I
actually
think
here's
something
we
might
be
able
to
do
in
writing
a
memo
to
propose
so
just
getting
all
23
of
us
on
the
same
page
that,
yes,
you
know
memo.
Writing
is
something
that
we
could
do
as
commissioners,
and
we
should
be
thinking
about
items
in
that
way
and
if
we
have
something
you
want
to
share,
we
should
write
it
and,
if
something's
on
the
agenda,
you
know
memos
should
and
can
be
expected
to
debate
that
issue.
M
M
Mark
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
don't
see
the
issue
so
long
as
everything
the
subcommittees
discusses
like
on
zoom
or
publicly
available
right
and
so
long
as
we
don't
have
email
sent
to
each
other
outside
the
scope
of
the
public.
If
we're
discussing
like
this,
you
can
always
have
a
committee
of
the
whole
is
my
understanding.
I
don't
I
don't
understand.
The
brown
act
concerns
so
long
as
everything
is
available
for
public
scrutiny.
I
guess
that's
correct.
I
mean
the
subcommittee.
M
The
ad
hoc
committees
are
put
together
as
temporary
bodies
of
less
than
a
quorum
in
order
to
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
avoid
the
requirements
of
the
brown
act.
The
issue
that
we're
concerned
about
is,
if
people
start
going
out
of
that
group,
then
you
have
hub
and
spoke,
but
any
type
of
coordination
among
the
different
subcommittees
can
occur
so
long
as
it
occurs
at
a
notice,
a
publicly
noticed
and
properly
agendized
meeting.
M
So
if
we
just
limit
our
discussions
to
whatever's
over
zoom
like
in
this
kind
of
meeting-
and
we
don't
have
coffee-
you
know
somewhere
on
the
weekends
together,
we
don't
email
each
other
privately.
We
just
restrict
all
debate
and
discussion
to
to
zoom.
Basically,
and
the
public
has
access
to
it
and
publicly
knows
meetings
there,
there
should
be
no
run-out
issue.
Is
that
right?
M
So?
Yes,
that's
correct!
So
long
as
it's
on
a
publicly
agendized
meeting
and
properly
agendas,
you
won't
have
a
brown
act
issue.
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
clerk's
office
and
commit
the
staff
resources
to
that,
but
as
long
as
it's
publicly
available,
then
it
then
it
doesn't
happen.
I
got
it.
Okay,
okay,.
K
K
I
wanted
to
add
something
on
the
election.
I
want
to
add
on
to
what
mark
said
if
you
guys
decide
to
switch
the
mayoral
elections,
and
so
the
next
mayor
who
will
be
elected
in
2022,
will
only
serve
two
years
or
serve
six
years.
That's
probably
something
that
needs
to
be
decided
before
the
nomination
period
opens
in
february.
K
So,
like
december,
is
the
latest
you
really
can
can
do
anything
because
it
needs
to
go
to
council
for
their
discussion
and
their
action
prior
to
the
opening
in
the
nomination
period.
I
don't
know
exactly
off
the
top
of
my
head.
It's
usually
the
second
week
in
february
it
usually
happens
sometime
around
president's
day.
I
think
it's.
K
Let's
say
it's
usually
around
february
14th,
so
that
that,
like
december,
is
the
latest
I'm
comfortable,
because
the
council
is
going
to
talk
about
this
for
probably
a
couple
of
meetings
so
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
that
nomination
period
unless
you
guys
are
not
recommending
that
at
all,
in
which
case
that's
different.
D
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
conclude
the
conversation
with
a
couple
of
pieces
around
what
I've
heard
and
what
we
want
to
move
forward
on.
One
thing
I'll
ask
civic
makers
to
talk
about
their
experience
and
expertise
and
the
additional
scope
of
work
that
they're
looking
at
as
they
present
their
plan.
So
I'll
ask
lawrence
to
add
that
to
it,
so
that
the
question
that
commissioner
quintus
you're
asking
about
their
expertise
or
their
record
on
this
issue,
they
have
experience
in
the
issue.
D
We
can.
We
can
make
sure
that
that's
included
in
their
plan,
we'll
also
look
at
the
the
specific
memo
and
all
the
comments
that
commissioners
made
today
as
we
put
together.
The
next
version
of
the
plan
and
in
our
next
meeting
we'll
have
a
full
conversation,
discussion
and
actions
being
taken
on
the
work
plan
itself,
but
you'll
see
the
more
complete
version
which
is
really
detailing
out
the
work
plan
for
community
engagement
and
the
timeline
around
public
hearings.
D
The
public
hearing
process
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
also
continue
to
give
updates
on
translation
and,
as
she
said,
stated
tonight
that
our
next
meeting
will
have
interpretation
as
well.
I'd
ask
commissioners
to
make
sure
that
you
talk
to
your
district
constituents
to
make
sure
that
they
understand
now
that
that
would
be
a
service
that's
available
at
our
next
meeting.
D
So
anyone
who
is
not
participating
because
of
language
language
translation
will
be
able
to
at
our
next
meeting,
and
so
I'd
ask
commissioners
to
make
sure
that
you
do
the
outreach
in
your
districts
to
make
sure
that
folks
know
that
I'll
also
make
sure
that
we
have
in
our
group
our
scope
of
work
in
terms
of
the
subcommittees.
As
we
start
to
do
the
development
of
what
those
committees
look
like
that.
D
Our
first
conversation
and
discussion
is
agreement
on
the
scopes
so
that
everyone
understands
the
scope
of
work
that
individual
commission
subcommittees
are
working
on
and
that
we'll
have
a
a
loopback
or
feedback
loop
to
report
back
so
that
not
when
everyone's
work
is
done.
But
as
we
start
that
work
that
there'll
be
a
regular
feedback
loop.
So
that
folks
know
what
the
commission
needs
to
hear
from
a
particular
subcommittee.
D
It
could
be
the
recommendation
of
a
subcommittee
that
there
is
a
critical
speaker
or
a
critical
set
of
data
or
a
critical
piece
of
research
that
you
want
in
your
presentation
when
you
bring
back
the
template
community,
completed,
form
and
you're,
saying
you
know,
here's
the
debate,
the
pros
and
cons
and
here's
the
research
we
found,
and
it
was
the
best
way
for
us
to
understand
it-
was
to
listen
to
this
speaker.
This
slide
deck.
D
This
ted
talk
whatever
it
is,
and
that
could
be
in
the
presentation
back
to
the
commission,
so
the
education
side
of
this
is
not
limited
only
to
the
subcommittee's
use
of
the
form,
but
really
is
to
make
the
argument
make
the
case
for
what
their
recommendation
is,
and
so
education
could
continue
in
that
way.
As
we
move
to
phase
two,
I
will
continue
to
ask
us
to
be
thoughtful
on
the
process
of
timing.
I
do
think
the
december
timeline.
D
I
assume
that
the
council's
not
going
to
be
you
know,
wanting
us
to
go
beyond
that.
If
the
commission
at
some
point,
gets
to
the
place
where
we're
just
at
a
stalemate,
we
can't
move
forward
because
there's
way
too
much
for
us
to
cover,
I
think
that's
a
different
issue,
but
at
this
point
I'd
ask
that
we
continue
to
move
forward
as
diligently
as
we
can
considering
all
the
challenges
around
timing,
we're
trying
to
get
you
to
our
that
break.
D
That
naturally
happens
in
the
calendar
that
month
to
get
subcommittees
organized
so
that
you
would
be
able
to
use
that
time
in
your
subcommittee
work.
That's
still
our
goal.
There
is
conversation
and
discussion
around
police
reform.
That
certainly
is
a
number
of
you
have
asked
about
a
subcommittee
specifically
in
that
area.
That
would
be
my
example
of
where
is
there
a
critical
speaker
or
critical
speakers
that
that
subcommittee
thinks
are
the
critical
folks
to
understand
what
urban
policing
issues
are
and
what
recommendations
there
are.
D
There
are
some
organizations
in
the
country
that
are
doing
that
specific
work,
so
we
may
be
able
to
hear
from
them
as
well.
I
will
definitely
ask
staff
to
work
with
me
on
what
is
our
process
in
terms
of
memos?
Certainly
agree
with
you,
commissioner,
dieppe
around
the
use
of
memos
and
the
writing
of
memos,
but
remember
we
are
not
full-time
council
members.
These
are
volunteer
commissioners
and
so
for
those
of
you
that
can
do
this
at
your
work
job.
That
really
is
just
different
than
folks
that
are
working
differently.
D
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
respectful
of
everyone's
time
but
I'll
try
to
figure
out
process
wise,
a
better
clarity
around
what
our
process
is
for
handling
memos
and
what
the
time
frame
will
be
when
we
get
them
and
in
response
to
our
our
friday
emails
again,
I
thank
staff
for
real,
maintaining
those
timelines
and
I'm
not
convinced,
probably
that
the
argument
around
why
we
really
need
outside
counsel
is
going
to
fly
before
council,
but
I'll
certainly
make
the
case
that,
representing
the
issues
that
you
raised,
I
think
that
the
challenges
that
the
council
and
the
mayor
raised-
I'm
not
sure
they'll-
be
satisfied
but
we'll
see
where
they
go
and
when
clerk
responds
back.
D
So
thanks
to
all
those
of
you
working
in
your
districts
and
that's
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
don't
forget,
you
are
the
representatives
of
your
districts
and
so
getting
the
engagement
and
the
feedback
from
your
constituencies
within
your
districts
is
certainly
a
really
important
part
of
our
community
engagement
and
now
I'd
ask
for
public
comment
on
the
work
plan.
The
clerk
can
call
the
first
speaker.
C
C
I
think
the
clerk's
report
was
a
separate
agenda
item,
so
I
would
appreciate
the
city
attorney
clarifying
the
commissions,
the
way
that
the
commission
handles
this,
so
I
don't
have
to
submit
a
formal,
cease
and
desist
order
to
the
commission,
asking
it
to
cease
and
desist
violations
of
the
brown
act.
Thank
you.
R
R
Ecms
response
times.
Excuse
me:
I
have
a
problem
here.
The
the
city
is
misguided
by
almost
everything
they
want
to
put
road
dot.
They
don't
have
road
diets.
They
want
to
have
all
these
weird
things:
build
building
villages
with
only
electricity,
no
natural
gas.
I
don't
understand,
I
mean
san
jose
police
department
selling
marijuana.
They
promote
marijuana
on
their
website.
Sjpd
means
san
jose
pot
dealers.
To
me
you
know
it's
disgusting.
These
are
bust
people
for
marijuana,
now,
they're
now
they're
promoting
it.
R
You
know
if
you
don't
buy
it
from
them
and
you're
selling
it
you're
busted
you're,
growing
it
you're
busting.
I
don't
even
smoke
marijuana
matter
of
fact,
I'm
glad
they
made
it
legal,
I'm
benefiting
with
my
tobacco
stocks
that
I
own
I'm
just
saying
the
hypocrisy
of
this
city
is
unbelievable
and
always
wanting
to
increase
fine.
They
want
red
light
cameras
that
were
made
illegal
because
the
city
council
and
the
city
hall
and
san
jose
police
department
didn't
have
any
red
light
cameras
in
and
around
where
their
offices
were,
how
convenient
that
was.
R
Wasn't
it,
how
hypocritical
double
stand
and
then
also
they
want
to.
You
know
incorporate
all
these.
You
know
different
groups
of
people,
but
meanwhile
they
love
giving
tickets
fines
abusing
their
power.
You've
got
the
code
enforcement
coming
around
making
sure
someone's
censored
a
certain
height,
even
though
it
was
approved
already
you're,
trying
to
put
a
happy
face
on
a
real
tyrannical
government,
and
I
before
I
said
it
with
smashes,
it's
actually
zen
fascist
because
you
make
everything
seem
so
flowery
and
nice
look
who
we
have
working
here
now
and
look
at
look.
R
You
know
we're
raising
these
flags
up
above
our
city
hall,
representing
whoever,
oh
we're
lighting
up
the
city
hall,
but
meanwhile
look
at
what
you
do
and
look
at
look
at
the
downtown.
That
downtown
is
disgraceful.
It
looks
like
detroit.
I
mean
the
people
from
detroit
should
come
here
and
say:
hey
what's
the
matter,
you
guys
have
all
this
money.
You
have
a
downtown
that
looks
worse
than
ours.
I
mean.
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
So
our
point
of
order,
I'm
going
to
speak
to
this
word
plan
item
I'd
like
to
come
back
for
30
seconds
to
discuss
electoral
cycles
on
the
open
forum.
A
A
Moving
on
to
this,
I
really
want
to
thank
you,
mr
chair,
madame
zeiss,
j
for
capturing
comments
by
the
detroit
commissioners
about
general
public
comments,
and
I
also
want
to
recognize
commissioner
calendar
about
his
approach,
saying
you
know,
let's
go
and
do
the
entire
thing
together,
as
a
committee
now
moving
on
to
subcommittees,
I,
I
really
appreciated
the
answer
that
that
you
got
from
the
city
attorneys
office,
which
is
correct,
but
the
fact
is
that
other
committees
please
meet
yourself
wherever
you
are.
A
Other
committees
are
very
foggy
area
of
the
brown
act
and
some
counties
and
material
in
particular
are
abusing
it
now.
The
way
it
works
is
that
if
a
government
body
has
appointed
a
subcommittee,
it's
binary.
Basically,
that's
the
community
automatically
becomes
brown
actors
and
I
don't
know
I'm
getting
an
echo
here
now.
If
the
subcommittee
is
brown
access,
you
cannot
piecemeal
the
crown
act.
That
means
you've
got
to
follow
every
single
section,
including
taking
public
comments,
and
that
concludes
my
remarks.
Thank
you.
B
Hi
blair
beekman
here
thanks
for
going
over
all
business
things
and
what
we
can
be
working
on.
Mr
roland
lebron,
bob
brownstein
and
myself.
We've
all
noted
that
you
know
there
can
be
a
slightly
different
system
to
use
for
the
public
meeting
process
to
allow
a
bit
more
public
comment,
and
you
know
there
can
be
just
simple
procedural
ways
to
to
work
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
a
much
of
a
difficult
transition
it
you
know
it's
been
described.
B
You
know,
there's
simple
good
standards
and
good
etiquette
about
you
know
allowing
the
public
to
speak
after
each
item
allowing
the
public
to
speak
after
public
presentations.
It's
it's!
It's
just
a
it's
a
more
official
organized
way
to
work,
and
that's
when
I
said
subtlety
before
that's
the
subtle
practices
that
bring
about
you
know
better,
a
better
system
of
working
overall
and
it's
it's
interesting.
How
that
can
work?
Well,
yeah
good!
It
develops
a
good
public
system.
B
I
guess
is
a
way
to
say
it,
and
so
good
luck
in
in
the
efforts
to
work
on
these
things
and
what
we'll
be
working
on
in
the
upcoming
months.
You
really
put
a
lot
in
talking
about
equity
tonight
and
thank
you
for
that,
and
so
we
got
a
ways
to
go
and
just
thanks
for
your
efforts
tonight.
D
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
do
want
to
talk
about.
I
don't
know
why
I'm
getting
an
echo!
I
want
to
talk
about
the
mayoral,
the
election
cycle,
which
is
not
agenda.
Others
fact
that
the
tony
mentioned
earlier
that,
yes,
you
do
have
at
the
time
of
december
to
a
result
issue.
A
So
we
discussing
two
years.
You
know
six
years
etc,
and
I
would
like
to
put
it
to
you
that
six
years
is
not
reasonable,
but
then
again,
if
you
go
two
years
followed
by
four
years
and
we
somehow
would
have
a
very
very
good
mayor,
it
would
be
disenfranchising
that
mayor
by
saying.
Well,
you
know
you
serve
six
years.
You
have
our
two
terms.
Your
time
is
up.
A
So
what
I
would
like
to
put
forward
to
your
consideration
is
a
slight
variation
on
this
is
yes,
the
next
election
will
be
for
two
years.
It
will
be
followed
by
another
four-year
term
and
whoever
was
elected
two
years
from
now
will
be
allowed
to
run
again
for
that
four-year
term.
However,
as
an
exception,
that
person
who
would
have
then
been
elected
for
two
terms,
one
two
year
and
one
four
year
term-
would
also
be
allowed
to
run
for
a
third
term.
A
B
Hi
blair
beekman
here,
thank
you
for
the
meeting
tonight
yeah
to
work.
A
good
public
process
is
addressing
the
ideas
of
equity,
which
is
how
I
address
equity,
and
it
was
nicely
mentioned
by
a
council
or
a
former
council
person
yep
that
maybe
in
san
jose.
You
know
compared
to
detroit
we're
dealing
with
more
of
a
council
decision-making
process,
and
I
can't
emphasize
enough
my
personal
feeling
that
this
this
will
be
a
a
decision
about
how
to
better,
create
the
idea
of
counsel
and
community
and
strong
mayor
ideas.
B
What
you
offered
in
your
meetings
a
few
weeks
ago
are
questions
more
of
a
specific
charter
questions.
What
the
mayor
can
actually
do
that
he's
not
being
that
just
hasn't
been
written
down
in
our
charter
yet,
and
what?
What
and
that
we've
assumed
that
he
had
did
have
the
power
to
to
work
out
those
small
things,
those
refined,
fine
things.
B
I
think
that's,
hopefully
what
we
can
focus
on
in
san
jose
and
to
for
the
strong
manner
to
work
towards
ideas
of
being
in
charge
of
large
development
and
not
talking
to
the
rest
of
the
council
about
such
a
process.
You
know
I
I'm
that
is
scary,
stuff
to
me.
You
went
into
a
large
bucket
tonight
of
the
ideas
of
equity,
and
you
know
that
that's
that
was
nice
of
you.
B
You
have
a
bucket
saved
for
equity
issues,
issues
of
reimagine,
my
own
issues
of
what
can
be
better
accountability
and
open
public
policies
for
the
future.
That's
about
ideas
of
better
democratic
practices.
I
think
that
that
democratic
practice
is
a
good
lead
to
you
know
these
sort
of
equity
questions
that
you
have.
B
You
know
the
future
of
street
lights.
You
know
it's
not
just
people
asking
about
street
lights,
it's
asking
about
the
open
public
policies
and
all
the
technology
and
surveillance
that
will
be
in
the
future
of
street
lights.
So
you
know
it's
it's!
It's
a
community
future
and
good
luck
in
how
you're
gonna.
R
Hi
yeah,
I
can't
say
it
enough:
this
city
you're
trying
all
these
new
things.
You
really
think
that
you're
going
to
emulate
another
city,
you
guys
couldn't
think
of
this
on
your
own,
to
have
better
better
meetings.
I
mean
half
the
time
you
cut
people
off
before
they're
two
minutes
anyway.
Sometimes
you
don't
even
pick
up
my
calls,
because
I'm
probably
the
most
unpopular
person,
that's
down
at
city
hall
and
san
jose
police
to
bob
pot
dealers
I
mean
and
yeah.
R
R
You
have
a
downtown,
that's
just
I
mean
it's
it's
shameful.
I
mean
I
can
remember
like
in
2018
I
went
down
there
2019.
This
is
before
covid
and
it
was
the
day
after
thanksgiving
there
wasn't
a
soul
down
there.
I
went
to
a
mariachi
festival
that
was
fun,
but
the
downtown
was
empty
empty.
You
could
roll
bowling,
but
it
looked
like
it
looked
like
we
were
in
an
economic
depression
and
that
was
the
height
of
the
of
the
economy.
At
the
time,
and
but
what
do
you
do
you?
R
You
screw
up
the
parking
you
put
up
those
stupid
ballots,
whatever
you
call
them,
I
call
them
rubber,
baby,
bicycle
bumpers.
It's
an
eyesore,
it's
a
waste
of
petrochemical.
You
have
these.
You
have
these
bike
lanes
all
over
the
city
that
have
completely
monopolized
driving,
making
it
difficult
to
drive.
I
really
want
to
slow
people
down,
but
this
is
not
intuitive
at
all
the
repaving
program.
I
hope
I'm
alive
when
it's
finished.
R
I
can
see
my
street
page
and
you
and
the
city
never
finishes.
The
final
work
on
on
the
on
the
repay
being
around
the
van
hall
covers.
There's
always
this.
You
know
four
inch
gap.
All
the
way
around
the
manhole
cover
people.
The
bike
is
nice
good
for
bicycles,
it's
not
good
for
cars,
it's
really
bad
for
motorcycles,
and
it's
just
the
tacky
laziness
of
the
the
the
the
just.
D
D
I
think
we
are
a,
I
believe,
I'm
at
the
end
of
our
item
number
eight,
which
means
we
are
we're
able
to
return
until
our
next
meeting,
which
is
in
two
weeks,
and
so
thank
the
council
members
commissioners
for
their
time
this
evening
and
apologize
for
going
so
late,
and
I
appreciate
you
sticking
with
us
thank.