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From YouTube: APR 19, 2021 | Charter Review Commission
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City of San José, California
Charter Review Commission of April 19, 2021
This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
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B
A
quorum.
Thank
you
all
right,
I'll
now
take
a
motion
for
the
consent
calendar,
which
includes
the
minutes
and
the
acceptance
of
any
letters
from
the
public,
and
can
I
get
a
motion
for
the
to
accept
the
consent
calendar.
B
Thank
you.
So,
commissioner,
lazad
made
the
motion.
Commissioner
marshman
seconded
clerk
could
take
the
role.
B
G
E
A
H
A
G
H
B
Thank
you.
I
just
I'm
going
to
move
to
reports
and
information.
The
first
report
is
my
report
around
just
as
a
feedback
loop.
We
got
feedback
last
meeting
from
you
around
the
reception
of
materials,
so
in
meeting
with
staff
and
consultants
this
week
we
were
looking
at
what
would
be
kind
of
a
right
rhythm
of
when
we
get
materials
to
you
and
what
materials
we
expect
you
to
have
reviewed
or
read,
or
to
make
sure
that
you're
giving
some
time
to
prepare
for
meetings.
B
So
there's
kind
of
three
deadlines
or
three
communication
points
that
you
should
expect.
First,
is
the
agenda
of
the
email
that
comes
out
the
monday
before
the
meeting
with
the
agenda
and
any
voting
items,
so
that
gets
posted
a
week
ago
today,
so
a
week
before
any
meeting,
you'll
get
the
agenda
and
the
and
the
voting
items
that
we're
going
to
take
up.
B
Secondly,
though,
on
fridays
noon,
but
at
friday
noon,
before
our
meeting
any
materials
that
we
want
you
to
read
or
be
able
to
review
you'll
receive
then
so
that
the
friday
before
so
last
friday
at
noon,
we
would
send
you
any
materials.
If
we
had
materials
that
you
needed
to
read
or
review
anything
after
that,
we
will
hold,
because
just
really
understanding
that
folks
can't
receive
things
on
the
same
day
and
and
and
be
expected
to
walk
through
them.
B
That
gives
the
consultants
and
staff
and
myself
time
to
get
as
many
things
done
as
we
can
before
we
send
those
out
to
you
so
friday.
At
noon,
megan
will
send
out
materials
for
you
to
read
a
review
and
then
the
follow-up
emails,
so
any
items
that
are
posted
or
follows
up
or
things
that
happen
in
a
meeting.
B
So
I'm
hoping
that
that
helps
folks
to
get
a
clarity
around
when
you're
getting
things
and
what
you
expect
now,
the
the
the
part
that's
different
for
any
of
these
is
letters
from
the
public
and
you
will
get
those
when
we
get
them.
Megan
will
send
them
out.
So,
for
example,
there
was
one
today
that
she
received,
but
again
that's
just
a
matter
of
reception
so
and
we
don't
have
any
the
public
can
send
notes
to
the
commission
anytime,
we'll
batch
them
and
put
them
in
as
well.
B
So
thank
you
for
that
request
for
clarity.
I
hope
that
helps.
B
Yeah
definitely-
and
I
appreciate
the
staff
and
consultants
working
with
us
to
try
to
to
make
those
deadlines
work
for
us.
Okay.
Second
item
is
the
report
from
the
clerk
here.
I
Excuse
me
one
second,
were
you
gonna
speak
to
the
official
commission
emails.
B
I
would
I
can't
I
thought
that
the
clerk
was
gonna.
Do
that?
Okay,
great,
doesn't
matter
well
perfect
thanks.
J
J
My
video
going
so
official,
you
have
two
emails,
you
have
your
personal
email.
You
have
official
commission
emails.
J
If
you
haven't
signed
into
your
official
commission
email,
you
need
to
work
with
us
because
we're
required
to
send
you
our
notices
through
the
official
city,
email
for
pra
purposes,
a
lot
of
times,
though
we
may
send
it
to
both
of
your
emails,
so
you're
official,
just
to
make
sure
you
see
it,
but
we're
really
supposed
to
only
be
using
your
official
city
email.
J
That's!
So
if,
if
you
leave
and
there's
a
pra
like
you
next
year,
there's
a
pra
for
emails,
we
have
access
to
it.
If
we
just
use
your
personal,
then
we
may
have
to
go
through
your.
Have
you
go
through
your
personal
emails
to
look
for
things
and
we
want
to
avoid
that.
J
The
other
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
live
transcript.
So
I've
enabled
the
closed
captioning
live
transcript.
So
this
is
through
zoom.
It's
not
a
third,
it's
not
our
own.
Thirty
third
party
person
and
it's
not
a
live
person.
Captioning.
It's
the
zoom
software
itself,
so
members
of
the
public
will
get
captioning
via
youtube,
but
if
they're
I'm
signed
into
zoom,
they
can
go
down
to
the
bottom
and
enable
that
live
transcript
and,
and
you
guys
can
enable
it.
I've
got
it
going
right
now,
you
can
drag
it
around
too.
J
You
can
put
it
at
the
top
of
your
screen.
The
bottom
of
your
screen,
the
side
it
is
movable.
You
can
also
view
the
full
transcript
during
the
meeting
off
to
the
side
as
well.
So
if
you
have
a
hard
time
hearing
who's
speaking,
it's
kind
of
nice
to
have
the
full
trend,
I'm
pointing
as
if
you
can
see
my
screen,
if
you
enable
the
full
transcript
it'll
show
up
on
the
side
of
your
screen
and
it'll
say
who's
speaking.
J
Oh
and
your
your
item
is
agendized
for
the
next
council
meeting
on
april.
27Th,
we'll
probably
talk
about
it
under
the
work
plan,
but
usually
during
the
city
clerk
report.
If
you
have
anything
going
before
council
I'll
just
announce
the
date
under
this
report,
so
I
just
want
to
stay
consistent
with
that.
J
Since
the
beginning,
my
my
everything
was
disabled
for
me,
though,
got
it
back
now,
but
I
am
here.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Thank
you.
Click
we'll
take
record
of
that
appreciate
it
yeah
and
take
it
down
our
new
business,
so
I'm
gonna
turn
this
over
to
lawrence
to
start
our
study
session.
For
tonight
you
recall
that
tonight's
discussion
is
about
one
of
the
main
questions
that
the
council
has
asked
us
to
look
at,
which
is
the
timing
of
district
and
the
mayoral
elections
and
the
connection
to
the
presidential
election
years.
B
You
have
received
from
commissioner
who
I
believe,
imperials
and
there's
also
a
letter
from
the
public
that
addresses
this
issue
as
well
or
a
blog
post.
I
guess
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
lawrence
to
introduce
our
our
guest
tonight
and
lead
us
in
our
discussion.
I
Thanks
chair
good
evening,
everyone
glad
to
be
back
with
you
all
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
two
speakers
for
this
evening.
Both
celebrated
local
academics
from
san
jose
state
university,
the
first
of
which
is
terry
christensen,
he's
a
professor
emeritus
at
san
jose
state
university
and
his
colleague,
professor
mary
curran
percival,
who
you
might
recognize
as
a
relation
to
one
of
the
commissioners
on
this
commission.
I
will
not
name
that
commissioner
you'll
have
to
figure
it
out
yourself,
but
they
are
joining
us
to
talk
a
little
bit
about.
I
As
the
chair
said,
the
impact
of
timing
of
elections
on
governance
in
san
jose.
Some
of
the
changes
that
have
happened
over
recent
history
and
they're
also
going
to
present
some
data
that
commissioner
percival
had
compiled
with
his
colleague
professor
kern
percival,
and
they
had
shared
that
in
a
memo.
But
it
gives
a
baseline
for
election
turnout
in
presidential
gubernatorial
and
other
years.
I
So
hopefully
this
helps
to
dig
into
a
part
of
the
conversation
that
we
haven't
gotten
into
yet,
which
is
that
second
bucket
of
election
timing,
that
the
commission
has
been
tasked
with
thinking
about
and
coming
up
with,
potential
recommendations.
For
so
professor
kristensen
is
gonna,
give
a
little
presentation,
professor
curran
percival
will
jump
in
and
then
we'll
have
plenty
of
time
for
questions
afterwards.
I
So
we'll
just
ask
that
you
hold
your
questions
until
the
presentation
is
over
and
then
we'll
we'll
take
a
stack
and
and
see
how
long
we
can
get
with
the
conversation.
With
that
I'll
hand,
it
over
to
professor
christensen.
G
So
lawrence,
I
think
some
wires
got
crossed
here,
because
I
thought
you
asked
me
to
talk
about
the
relationship
between
the
mayor
and
the
council.
Mainly
yes
prepared
great.
I
Fantastic
and
that
was
that
was
actually
part
of
it
as
well.
Sorry
for
skipping
it.
If
we
look
back
to
the
work
plan,
we
have
the
role
of
districts,
how
council
members
are
elected
and
their
role
relative
to
a
mayor
with
more
consolidated
power,
as
well
as
the
timing
of
elections
and
impact
on
governance.
So,
terry,
we're
all
good.
My
apologies
for
miss
speaking.
Please
go
ahead.
G
Okay,
so
hello
to
all
of
you,
there's
several
friends
and
a
few
former
students
on
on
this
commission.
I'm
really
proud
to
see
you
all
serving
and
thank
the
rest
of
you
for
your
work
before
I
start
just
a
couple
of
key
questions.
You've
heard
these
all
these
before,
but
just
to
reiterate,
as
you
do
this,
you
need
to
be
thinking
about
what
problems
you're
trying
to
solve.
I
know
you've
talked
about
equity
transparency,
campaign,
finance,
police
accountability,
community
engagement
and
others.
G
Some
of
those
are
susceptible
to
addressing
in
a
charter,
and
others
are
not
so.
My
second
point
would
be
think
about
what
you
actually
need
to
put
in
a
charter
and
what's
not
necessarily
to
be
necessary
to
be
in
a
charter
because
once
something's
in
a
charter,
it's
it's
more
rigid
and
it
becomes
more
difficult
to
change.
So
I
think
something
like
campaign.
G
G
A
charter
for
this
specific
city,
and
that's
why
you're
on
the
charter
commission,
because
you
know
this
specific
city
and
you
need
to
be
thinking
about
what
changes,
if
any,
we
need
to
make
in
our
city
charter
to
make
san
jose
work
better
for
as
many
people
as
possible,
everybody,
if
possible,
but
as
many
if
possible.
G
So
a
little
bit
about
the
role
of
the
council
in
relation
to
the
mayor,
there's
been
a
gradual
shift
in
that
relationship,
a
shift
in
power
from
council
towards
towards
the
mayor
and
from
1916
to
1967.
We
had
no
elected
mayor
at
all.
There
wasn't
anybody,
even
anybody
with
the
title
of
mayor
until
1948..
G
During
that
time,
whoever
was
acting
as
the
chair
of
the
city
council,
president
of
the
council
and
mayor,
was
simply
a
member
of
the
council
serving
by
rotation
selected
by
members
of
the
other
members
of
the
council.
There
were
then
seven
members
of
the
council,
all
elected
city-wide
or
at
large,
so
basically
a
council
of
equals
that
began
to
shift
in
1967
with
the
first
significant
charter
reform
that
you've
heard
about
already.
G
G
The
charter
that
was
written
in
1965
and
created
the
first
directly
elected
mayor
designated
the
mayor,
as
quote
the
political
leader,
unquote
of
the
city.
Chuck
davidson,
who
really
passed
recently
passed
away,
was
on
that
charter,
revision,
commission
and
here's
what
he
said
about
the
meaning
of
that
phrase.
Political
leader
chuck
said:
we
give
you
all
the
power
that
you
have
the
leadership
ability
to
take.
G
If
you
don't
have
that
ability
we're
not
going
to
give
it
to
you
by
charter,
if
you
don't
have
that
ability
we're
not
going
to
give
it
to
you
by
charter.
So
his
argument
was
by
political
skill.
A
mayor
needs
to
assert
leadership
over
the
city.
If
a
mayor
can't
do
that,
doesn't
have
that
political
skill,
it's
not
going
to
come
from
the
charter.
This
is
the
choice
you
face
now.
Should
some
of
that
power
actually
come
from
the
charter?
G
G
That
in
itself,
is
an
enhancement
of
the
of
the
role
of
mayor,
if
not
the
authority
and
and
in
a
sense,
an
enhancement
of
the
power
of
the
mayor
representing
and
speaking,
for
a
million
people
also
having
access
through
the
media
to
a
million
people
that
most
individual
council
members
by
district
simply
don't
have,
because
they
don't
get
the
kind
of
attention
that
the
mayor
does
that's
an
enhancement
of
of
the
power
of
the
mayor
and
so
with
district
elections.
G
G
That's
changed
over
time,
both
of
those
go
to
the
full
council
now,
but
the
mayor
still
initiates
that
that's
a
little
bit
extra
power
because
the
mayor
can
can
can
reward
and
encourage
some
close
allies
or
can
help
win
over
allies
with
council
appointments
or
maybe
with
an
appointment
to
be
vice
mayor,
a
small
thing
and
not
in
the
charter,
but
a
little
bit
of
enhancement
of
the
power
of
the
mayor
and
then
in
1986
was
measure
j
which
you've
heard
about
before,
and
that
gave
the
mayor
the
role
of
of
proposing
the
budget
nominating
the
city
manager,
subject
to
council
approval,
overseeing
the
office
of
public
information,
a
very
important
visibility,
access
for
the
mayor
and
with
the
council,
approving
manager
appointees
to
department
heads.
G
So
gradual
increases
in
the
power
of
the
mayor,
but
mostly
informal,
and
mostly
it's
from
public
focus
on
the
mayor,
the
public,
as
ron
gonzalez,
has
told
you,
other
mayors
will
tell
you
the
public
assumes
the
mayor
has
power
because
the
mayor's
the
mayor
and
they
don't
know
the
details
that
you
know
now.
If
you
didn't
already,
I'm
sure
you
did
as
charter
charter
vision,
commission
member,
so
there's
the
assumption
of
power.
That
in
itself
is
a
power.
If
people
think
you
have
power,
you
kind
of
do
have
power.
G
G
So
basically,
we've
had
an
evolving
system
gradually
in
increasing
and
enhancing
the
power
and
the
role
of
the
mayor
and
contrary
to
what
my
friend
from
north
carolina
said
and
I'm
an
alumnus
of
the
same
program
she
was
in,
she
is
in
san
jose
is
a
hybrid
form
of
government.
It's
not
pure
council
manager.
It's
just
not
it's!
It's!
It's
a
hybrid
because
the
role
of
the
mayor
has
evolved
and
expanded,
and
actually
most
council
managers
systems
don't
even
elect
their
council
by
district.
G
G
The
politics
of
those
cities
tend
to
become
more
complex
divisions,
increase
factions,
emerge,
conflict
becomes
more
common,
think
of
san
francisco,
think
of
chicago
think
of
los
angeles,
think
of
new
york.
We
have
factions
and
we
have
conflict
in
san
jose,
but
it's
nothing
like
as
rigid
or
as
or
as
as
powerful
as
the
kind
of
factions
and
conflicts
that
are
commonly
seen
in
these
other
large
cities,
we're
maybe
evolving
in
that
direction,
but
we're
not
there
as
yet.
G
G
And
and
carry
paula's
public
policy
forward,
but
to
do
that,
the
mayor
needs
some
actual
authority
over
hiring
of
department
heads
and
over
the
budget.
So
the
question
before
you,
I
think,
is
whether
san
jose
is
at
that
point
now
that
we
need
that
kind
of
leadership
or
whether
the
current
system
still
works
reasonably
well
for
this
community.
G
G
This
is
subject
to
a
counterbalance
by
the
council.
The
council
is
still
there.
The
council
still
has
a
role
to
play,
but
a
shift
to
a
mayor
council
form
shifts
power
towards
the
mayor
and
away
from
the
council.
So
you
need
to
be
thinking
about
that
balance
of
power.
How
much?
How
much
power
do
you
want
to
have
the
council
the
council
to
have
in
relation
to
the
mayor?
How
much
do
you
want
to
see
shift
it
to
stronger
executive
leadership?
G
G
The
mayor
of
oakland
doesn't
have
veto
power.
You
don't
have
to
give
the
mayor
thorough
veto
power.
There
are
cities
where
the
mayor
doesn't
have
veto
power
over
land
use
not
sure,
quite
sure
what
the
rationale
about
that
is,
but
the
veto
there's
a
there's,
a
range
of
veto
power
that
you
can
give
the
maximum
is
to
give
line,
item
veto
and
that
enables
the
mayor
to
veto,
not
just
the
entire
pieces
of
legislation
by
the
legislative
body
of
the
city
council,
but
to
veto
individual
segments,
and
maybe
it's
a
budget
line
item.
G
Maybe
it's
a
one
part
of
a
of
an
ordinance
veto
generally
takes
two
thirds
to
override
you
could
leave
it
a
simple
majority:
you
could
leave
it
a
slightly
greater
than
simple
majority
60
instead
of
67.
So
that's
that's
another
way
to
do
it.
I
think
it
could
be
important
if
you
move
to
a
council
may
or
form
of
government
to
provide
a
budget
analyst
for
the
council.
G
San
diego
does
that
san
diego
is
actually
a
good
model
for
you
all
to
look
at
it's
a
fairly
recent
change
over
to
strong
mayor
form
of
government
they're
only
on
their
second
elected
strong
mayor.
The
first
served
two
terms
and
the
second
one
is
in
his
in
his
first
term,
so
how
it's
working
out
for
san
diego,
which
is
a
similar
city,
quite
similar
to
san
jose
in
a
lot
of
ways.
G
That
could
be
a
good
good
thing
for
you
all
to
look
at,
but
a
budget
analyst
for
the
council
that
you
know
the
state
legislature
has
a
legislative
analyst
that
looks
at
the
governor's
budget
proposal.
So
the
state
legislature
has
its
own
expertise
and
then
you
should
also
consider
the
place
of
the
city
attorney
in
relation
to
the
council
and
the
mayor.
You
don't
want
a
city
attorney
who's
working
for
one
or
the
other,
just
the
mayor,
but
a
city
attorney.
G
As
mark
vande
said
last
week,
a
city
attorney
that
represents
the
city
and
not
just
individuals
and
not
not
just
the
mayor.
Other
cities
oakland
elects
the
city
attorney
san
diego
elects
the
city
attorneys.
There
are
some
problems
with
that.
I
think,
but
there
are
various
ways
of
doing
that,
but
you
should
also
think
about
legal
advice,
that's
available
to
the
council
and
or
to
the
mayor,
that's
not
biased
towards
one
or
the
other
or
if
it
is
well.
No,
let's
leave
it
at
that.
G
So
that's
a
little
bit
about
mayor
council,
I'm
going
to
address
election
timing
just
briefly,
because
I
want
to
leave
mary
plenty
of
time
to
talk
about
the
actual
data
that
she
and
and
garrick
have
collected,
but
basically
there's
simply
no
question
that
scheduling
an
election
of
mayor
in
presidential
years
will
result
in
more
voter
participation.
G
How
much
that's
a
question,
but
it
will
be
more.
It
could
be
as
much
as
30
or
40
percent.
That's
a
lot
more
mary
will
give
you
some
specific
figures
in
just
a
minute.
The
thing
about
higher
voter
turnout
elections,
though,
is,
though,
is
that
it's
not
just
greater
numbers.
It's
a
different
electorate.
G
It
includes
more
voters
who
are
young,
more
voters
who
are
renters
more
people
of
color,
more
people
who
are
not
native,
born
more
people
with
lower
incomes
and
less
education.
It's
a
much
more
diverse
election
electorate
and
it's
much
more
representative
of
the
total
total
population
and
that
different
electorate
could
produce
different
outcomes,
because
those
folks
I
just
mentioned
may
vote
differently
from
the
folks
who
vote
in
virtually
every
election.
They're,
probably
going
to
be
more
liberal,
for
example,
campaigns
and
candidates
would
have
to
pay
more
attention
to
these
voters.
G
A
lot
of
campaigns.
Most
campaigns
don't
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
infrequent
voters,
because
they
have
limited
funds
to
invest
they're
going
to
send
it
to
people,
like
probably
all
of
us
on
on
this
on
this
zoom
screen.
Right
now,
who
are
regular,
reliable
voters
who
they
know
are
going
to
vote
and
most
campaigns
don't
have
the
resources
to
reach
out
beyond
that
to
the
less
reliable
voters
and
if
those
voters
aren't
reached
out
to.
G
Of
course,
it's
even
less
likely
that
they'll
vote,
so
campaigns,
sometimes
most
of
the
time,
reinforce
the
turnout
phenomenon
amongst
the
the
groups
of
people
I
just
talked
about.
If
those
people
are
participating,
though
maybe
elected
officials
would
talk
about
rent
control
in
a
different
way.
If
more
renters
are
voting,
maybe
maybe
they
would
talk
about
climate
change
in
a
different
way.
G
Take
it
more
seriously
if
more
young
people
were
voting,
since
that's
such
an
important
issue
to
young
people,
so
it
can
change
what
campaigns
do
what
campaigns
talk
about
and
ultimately,
what
elected
officials
do?
That's
with
more
people
voting
and
a
more
representative
electorate,
I'm
going
to
stop
there
and
let
mary
give
you
her
data
and
then
we'll
have
a
chance
to
talk
more
with
questions.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
terry.
I
laurence
do
you
have
the
ability
to
share
your
screen
with
the
memo
with
the
table.
C
Just
yeah
really
helpful.
I
know
you
all
have
the
memo,
but
if
we're
all
looking
at
it
at
the
same
time,
that
would
be
really
helpful.
C
Sure-
and
I
could
just
get
started
right
away
just
in
context
the
data
that
garrick
and
I
put
together,
we
are
comparing
the
turnout
in
the
mayoral
races
in
the
mayoral
election,
so
these
are
held
in
gubernatorial
years
as
terry
mentioned,
to
a
city-wide
election
in
a
presidential
year.
So
what
is
turnout
in
a
city-wide
race,
so
we're
not
comparing
it
to
district
races?
Thank
you
very
much.
So
we
are
comparing
it
to
a
city-wide
race.
C
So,
as
you
can
see
this,
the
table
so
2020
this
first,
the
total
votes,
391
371
votes
this,
the
the
race
here
this
is
measure
g.
This
was
the
expansion
of
the
police,
independent
police
auditor
oversight
authority.
C
So
in
2018
you
have
total
votes,
cash
for
mayor
159,
323,
so
turn
out
37.6,
and
so
you
can
compare
these
going
down
the
way
so
2016.
This
is
measure
g,
the
business
tax.
That's
the
city-wide
measure
that
we
can
compare
so
again,
69.4
percent.
C
C
So
one
of
the
things
that
garrick-
and
I
also
did-
was
we
actually
averaged.
Let
me
grab
my
notes
here
really
fast.
We
actually
averaged
the
differences
between
the
presidential
years
and
the
corresponding
mayoral
years,
and
then
we
added
those
all
up
and
then
divided
by
the
four
election
cycles,
and
we
found
that
on
average
it
was
an
increase
over
these.
You
know
between
2006
and
2020,
an
increase
of
about
28.
C
So
you
know
if
you
were
to
use
this
as
a
measure
of
what
we
could
expect
voter
turnout
to
be
the
increase
in
voter
turnout.
If
you
were
to
change
the
timing
of
the
mayoral
elections
to
presidential
years
using
current
numbers,
so
current
registration
numbers
which
are
about,
let
me
double
check,
500.
I
believe
it's
about
529
000.
C
C
That's
a
pretty
substantial
increase,
and
as
terry
mentioned,
it's
not
just
numbers.
It's
the
diversity
of
this
electorate.
You
wouldn't
just
have
more
voters,
you
would
have
younger
voters,
you
would
have
more
voters
of
color,
you
would
have
more
voters
who
have
lower
levels
of
income,
and
so
the
mayor
would
be
voted
by
voted
elected
by
a
more
diverse
electorate,
and
so
this
is
the
person
who
represents
the
entire
city.
The
only
person
who
you
know
that
the
council,
as
you
know,
they're
elected
by
district.
C
So
I
know
that
some
of
the
questions
that
have
been
raised
by
very
smart
individuals
concerns
about
you
know
with
the
with
the
mayoral
election,
get
drowned
out
by
the
presidential
election.
There
are
concerns
about
ballot
roll-off,
and
these
are
really
important
considerations.
I
absolutely
ask
you
to
spend
time
considering
there
is
definitely
concerned
about
information,
and
there
is
some
research
that
shows
that
these
elections
don't
get
drowned
out
by
presidential
elections.
C
People
a
lot
of
it
depends
on
how
much
attention
the
media
pay
to
it.
So
we
would
definitely
urge
the
local
media
to
spend
a
great
deal
of
attention
to
mayoral
elections,
but
also
you're
going
to
have
voters
who
are
able
to
spend
more
time
on
these
elections.
You're
going
to
have
certainly
a
lot
of
interested
parties
who
are
going
to
pay
more
attention
to
these
mayoral
elections.
C
A
lot
of
get
out
the
vote,
folks,
who
are
going
to
pay
a
lot
more
attention
because
the
elections
are
going
to
be
much
more
easily
accessible.
We
know,
for
instance,
that
voters
don't
have
encyclopedic
information
even
about
presidential
elections.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
address
briefly
was
a
ballot
roll-off
garrick,
and
I
really
quickly
did
some
numbers
the
difference
in
ballot
roll-off
between
2020
and
2018
and
quickly.
I'm
sorry
ballot.
C
Roll
off
is
when
you
have
folks
who
vote
for
offices
at
the
top
of
the
ticket,
so
presidential
races
in
the
presidential
race
in
2020.
So
they
cast
the
vote
for
president
and
then
don't
cast
a
vote
for
something
lower
down
the
ticket
so,
for
instance,
measure
g
or
something
else
lower
down
the
ticket,
and
that
is
absolutely
a
phenomenon
that
is
seen.
It's
a
problem
in
all
sorts
of
races,
so
statewide
ballot
propositions,
judicial
elections.
C
We
absolutely
see
ballot
roll-off,
and
so
we
compared
the
ballot
roll-off
in
2020
and
2018
and
there
was
not
a
substantial
difference:
the
ballot
roll
off
for
measure
g
and
the
ballot
roll
off
in
the
mayoral
election.
I
think
it
was
10.8
in
2020
and
10.4
in
2018,
but
again
we
calculated
these
pretty
quickly,
but
we've
also
done
this
previously.
Looking
comparing
the
presidential
elections
in
2016,
2012
2008
and
compared
them
to
the
corresponding
mayoral
elections,
and
we
didn't
find
a
substantial
difference.
It's
a
couple
of
percentage
points,
but
it's
not
a
huge
difference.
C
So
it's
definitely
something
you
guys
should
take
into
consideration,
but
we're
comparing
ballot
roll-off
between
the
city-wide
election
for
these
city
measures
and
this
city-wide
election
for
the
mayor's
race.
We're
not
comparing
any
other
ballot
roll-off
because
it
makes
sense
to
compare
a
city-wide
election
to
a
city-wide
election.
C
But
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
about
these
particular
data
and
just
the
you
know,
the
research
in
general
on
the
timing
of
elections.
But
I
think
terry
did
a
really
really
nice
job
summarizing
that
I
see
a
number
of
hands.
I
Great,
thank
you.
Professors,
christensen
and
kern
percival
before
we
jump
in
when
you
talk
about
ballot
roll-off.
Is
that
what
some
other
people
would
call
the
undervote
similar
terms.
C
Yeah
and
so
undervote
also
includes
when
people
when
they
just
like,
if
if
your
vote
is
not
discernible,
so
maybe
it's
a
conscious
decision
not
to
vote
in
an
election,
but
yes
and
ballot
roll
up
are
generally
considered
the
same
thing.
I
Okay,
I
asked
that,
because
the
memo
from
commission
planning,
commissioner
allen
that
was
sent
in
referenced
under
votes
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
speaking
on
the
same
terms
there
so.
I
Great
so
I
saw
a
couple
hands
shoot
up
around
the
same
time,
so
I'm
going
to
get
us
started
with
commissioner
bruce
and
then
we'll
go
lizat
borosio
and
marshman
thanks
lawrence
yeah.
I
would
just
like
to.
A
Thank
you
cherry,
so
very
nice
to
see
you,
professor.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
just
had
a
question
on
comparing
the
the
city-wide
measure
to
a
city-wide
mayor
race
and
I
look
at
the
city-wide
measure
as
being
a
one
issue
that
people
are
only
concerned
about,
whereas
the
mayor's
race
there's
a
lot
of
issues
involved
in
you
know
who
that
candidate
would
be,
and
do
you
think
that
that
is.
A
Relevant
to
your
hopes
that
by
moving
the
mayor's
race,
we
would
see
such
a
big
uptick.
I
think
you
said
you
know
20
20,
to
30
I
mean
I
see
more
people
being
being
engaged
in
a
one
issue
than
you
know.
Trying
to
trying
to
decipher
between.
You
know
two
people's
varying
views
on
something
in
the
mayor's
race.
G
I'm
going
to
let
mary
take
that
really,
but
in
general
the
drop
I
call
it
drop
off
rather
than
roll
off
or
or
undervote.
But
it's
we're
talking
about
the
same
phenomenon
in
general.
The
drop-off
is
greater
from
candidates
to
ballot
measures
of
a
variety
of
sorts.
G
So
I
think
I
I
I
of
course
we
can't
compare
these
data
because
they're
different
election
cycles,
the
mayor's
not
on
the
ballot
and
so
on,
and
actually
I
don't
think
drop-off
is
necessarily
a
bad
thing.
If
people
don't
think
they
know
enough
to
vote
for
something,
that's
fine,
whether
that's
for
mayor
or
for
or
on
a
ballot
measure.
So
I
I
I'm
slightly
encouraged
by
those
numbers
given
that
some
folks
in
the
league
of
women
voters,
for
example,
have
argued
that
we'd
have
less
informed
voters.
C
That
your
first
point
was
the
same
point
that
I
was
going
to
make.
We
think
our
estimates
are
actually
pretty
conservative,
because
statewide
ballot
measures
and
city-wide
measures
tend
to
have
lower
turnout,
because
it
is
only
one
thing:
people
have
to
be
pretty
knowledgeable
about
it.
Voters
tend
to
be
less
knowledgeable
about
these
things,
so
comparing
a
mayor's
race,
mayor's
races,
city,
council
races,
these
tend
to
have
higher
turnout
because
they
deal
with
so
many
more
issues
and
people
are
more
knowledgeable
about
it
and
more
engaged
in
it.
A
Okay,
then,
why
is
there
so
much
roll-off
in
in
council
races?
You
know,
even
even
in
the
district
I
mean
that's,
that's
people
aren't
engaged.
G
Yeah
and
that's
abs,
that's
absolutely
true,
and
and
and
it's
appalling
and
upsetting,
but
it's
even
more
difficult
for
council
members
to
cut
through
all
the
campaign
campaigning,
that's
going
on
whether
it's
statewide
or
or
presidential,
it's
a
lower
profile.
It's
a
smaller
number
of
people
that
are
that
are
being
that
the
media
are
that
the
campaigns
are
attempting
to
reach
and
there's
much
much
less
help
from
the
media
on
on
that
big
decline
in
local
coverage
by
media
of
virtually
all
sorts
except
a
little
bit
better
online
coverage.
G
But
council
races
are
the
ones
that
are
covered.
The
least
mayor's
races
get
covered.
More
mayoral
candidates
are
going
to
spend
three
to
five
million
dollars
on
campaigns.
A
lot
of
television
advertising
city,
council,
district
council
races,
as
you
well
know,
having
run
two
of
them.
Just
can't
do
that.
You
don't
have
the
money
and
it's
way
too
expensive
for
that.
So,
council
members,
council
candidates
have
to
find
other
ways
of
of
getting
through.
I
Thank
you,
commissioner,
commissioner,.
K
Perfect,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
professors
for
your
time
and
sharing
your
expertise
and
passions
with
us
is
very
much
appreciated.
I
have
a
question
professor
christensen,
you
mentioned
something,
and
I
just
would
love
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
it.
You
said,
as
as
cities
grow,
you've
observed
that
political
leadership
becomes
more
important
and
I
miss
the
connection
you
made
with
hiring
department
heads
if
you
can
say
a
little
bit
more
about
that
phenomenon
that
you
see
or
that
observation.
G
Oh
sure
so
well,
let's
take
police
accountability.
G
It's
been
an
issue
in
san
jose
since
1971
at
least
first
council
member
meeting
I
ever
went
to
was
a
protest
about
a
shooting
of
a
black
ibm
worker
by
a
cop
and
the
constituents,
the
city,
the
community
wanted
something
done,
but
the
council
essentially
could
do
nothing
and-
and
nor
could
the
mayor
mayors
in
those
big
cities
can
fire
police
chiefs.
They
can
make
things
happen.
G
They
may
still
be
constrained
by
union
contracts
that
police
unions
negotiate,
but
they
have
more
authority
to
actually
do
something
and
communities
sometimes
really
want
to
see
something.
G
Something
move
see
some
heads
roll
and
you
have
seen
quite
a
few
police
police
chiefs
resign
rather
than
be
fired
around
the
city,
not
in
san
jose,
but
around
the
country
I
met.
So
it
really
is
an
accountability.
G
I
Perfect,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
I
got
commissioners
marshman,
diap
fuentes,
tran
and
matsumura
commissioner
marshman.
A
Hi,
terry,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
for
an
opinion
if
you
feel
prepared
to
do
it,
if
you
don't
I'll
understand,
but
you
talked
about
cities
reaching
a
point
that
they
need
to
make
some
changes,
and
interestingly
noberto
duenas,
former
city
manager
implied
in
a
visit
at
the
last
meeting
that
that
you
know
he
thought
maybe
san
jose
could
use
some
tweaking
here.
A
Do
you
feel
we
are
at
the
point
that
we
could
not
go
to
a
full?
You
know
san
francisco,
powerful
mayor,
but
but
start
to
move
the
needle
a
little
bit
and
if
so,
if
you'd
like
to
talk
about
how
much
yes
want
to
comment
on
that.
G
I
favored
strong
mayor
form
of
government
for
most
of
my
career,
which
is
teaching
local
government
and
local
politics.
I
was
trained
in
north
carolina
chapel
hill,
as
I
said
the
same
as
my
colleague
who
spoke
to
you
and
I've.
I've
been
biased
in
that
direction
for
a
long
time,
but
honestly,
right
now,
I'm
not
so
sure.
G
G
I
might
add,
I
could
go
along
with
roberto
that
some
tweaking
is
in
order,
but
be
careful
with
your
tweaks,
because
I
don't
want
to
see
the
powers
of
the
council
diminish
the
council
and
our
district
council
is
really
the
main
point
of
access
to
what
local
government
does
for
communities
for
neighborhoods
for
citizens,
they're
they're,
the
folks
who
are
on
the
front
lines
and
to
whom
we
have
the
most
access
and
over
whom,
at
least
theoretically,
we
have
the
most
influence.
G
So
I
don't
want
to
see
the
role
of
the
council
diminished
significantly,
but
on
the
other
hand,
I
understand,
when
sam
licardo's
frustrated
with
the
expectations
of
him
as
mayor
when
he
really
doesn't
have
the
authority
to
to
meet
those
expectations
for
people.
So
sorry
that
was
a
really
wishy-washy
answer
barbara.
I
Well
helpful,
commissioner
marshman
way
to
put
our
guests
on
the
hot
seat,
but
please
keep
the
good
questions
coming.
Commissioner,
diepp.
L
Yeah,
thank
you.
We
have
two
speakers.
I
have
two
questions,
professor
christian.
If
I
could
just
invite
you
to
thank
you
for
that
presentation,
I
really
enjoyed
it.
If
you
could
maybe
elaborate
a
bit
on.
You
mentioned
the
role,
the
council
and
the
role
of
the
mayor
and
the
powers
between
when
there's,
I
think,
there's
the
role
that
this
commissioner
should
consider
and
that's
of
city
staff.
You
know
how
long
they
take
to
do
things
and
what
they
present
back
to
the
council.
L
You
know
whenever
I
ask
questions
to
previous
speakers.
They've
kind
of
driven
back
at
me
that
you
know
a
council
should
infight
a
council
should
work
together
and
I
and
I
agree
consensus
and-
and
you
know
back
and
forth,
but
then
there
are
constraints
of
the
brown
act
where
in
a
12-hour
meeting
you
know
you
can't
really
really
take
four
hours
or
five
hours
to
hash
that
one
particular
policy
item,
because
there's
an
agenda
of
ten
items-
and
you
know
you
can
press
the
button
to
speak.
L
But
I
found
that
if
I
press
the
button
to
speak
more
than
twice
I
got
dirty
looks
so
you
know
if
you
can't
speak
and
and
deliberate
outside
of
the
public
purview,
and
then
you
have
the
constraints
of
a
10-12-hour
council.
Meeting
to
you
know:
go
in
depth.
That's
it's
really
rare
that
you're
going
to
get
the
elected
leaders
honing
and
crafting
policy.
We
depend
a
lot
on
city
staff
and
you
know
who
controls
the
staff,
the
department
heads
and
all
that.
L
So
you
could
just
pontificate
on
that
and
for
professor
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
capture
your
first
part
of
your
last
name
but
percival
current
percival.
If
you
could
comment
a
bit
on,
I
don't
the
dispute,
there's
no
disputing
that
the
fact
that
turnout
is
higher
in
presidential
year
elections
and
I
think
as
a
political
matter.
The
council,
as
it
is
right
now
is,
is
you
know,
is
going
to
go
that
direction.
I
think
when
I
was
on
the
council.
We
had
that
debate
and
you
know
the
votes
were
there
for
that.
L
But
if
we're
going
to
discuss
it
as
a
I
guess,
a
qualitative
matter
I
mean
I
I
do
have
questions
about
the
the
quality,
the
quote-unquote
quality
of
the
votes.
How
informed
are
the
votes?
If
you
have
four
forms,
you
just
kind
of
check
down
just
xoxoxo.
L
I
don't
know
what
to
call
it,
but
there's
this
kind
of
people
who
really
care
about
who
they're
voting
for
then
they're
people
who
have
something
in
front
of
them
and
just
kind
of
mark
the
ballot.
We
do
talk
about
ballot
roll
off,
but
I
I
think
in
that
environment
where
the
power
goes
or
the
influence
goes,
is
to
special
interest,
to
you
know:
editorial
boards
of
papers
of
unions,
of
chambers,
of
commerce
who
of
police.
L
You
know
groups
who
send
out
you
know
voter
guides,
and
so,
if,
if
you're
not
informed
about
something,
you
might
just
say,
okay,
I'm
a
member
of
this
group
of
that
group
and
that
affiliation
and
I'm
just
going
to
look
at
this
and
just
go
down
what
is
recommended.
These
are
the
endorsed
candidates
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
good
for
democracy.
Overall,
I
I
get
that
the
turnout
issue
is
important.
L
I
You,
commissioner,
I
want
to
get
to
the
answers
of
the
questions.
I
encourage
everybody
to
keep
their
questions
short
and
if
our
speakers
could
keep
the
answers,
succinct,
we
have
a
lot
of
other
commissioners
that
have
questions
too
want
to
make
sure
everyone
gets
their
time.
Thank
you.
G
Okay,
so,
starting
with
lund's
first
question
about
the
council
actually
being
able
to
assert
authority,
that's
a
huge
challenge
and
of
course,
landi
speaks
with
experience
from
experience.
Doing
that,
I
I
think
council
needs
to
look
more
at
its
own
organization.
There
should
not
be
12-hour
meetings
you
can't
you're
going
to
have
to
the
council
is
going
to
have
to
start
meeting
more
than
one
day
a
week.
G
I
think
the
committee
structure
can
be
strengthened
and
that's
important.
I
think
the
staffing
for
council
members
can
be
strengthened
and
that's
important
is
giving
council
back
up
council
members
write
memos.
You
can
write
more
memos.
I
know
the
brown
act
keeps
you
from
talking
to
each
other,
but
I
know
there
are
also
a
bunch
of
memo
writers
on
on
on
the
council.
G
So
that's
another
way
to
do
it,
so
I
I
think
that
it
really
is
up
to
the
council
to
figure
out
ways
that
they
can
be
more
effective
at
and
asserting
their
views,
and-
and
I
I
get
what
you're
saying
about
those
long
meetings
and
and
the
frustration
of
trying
to
make
a
point
when
everybody's
already
fed
up
with
hearing
points
from
the
other
nine
council
members.
G
So
I
think
that's
really
a
matter
of
council
organization,
council,
staffing,
support
for
council,
for
I
mentioned
a
legislative
analyst
to
help
the
council
with
budget
process.
Those
kinds
of
things
could
be
helpful.
C
Thank
you
for
your
question.
It's
it's
a
good
point,
so
we're
concerned
about.
If
we
don't,
if
voters
aren't
turning
out
in
the
mayoral
race,
when
it's
held
in
the
gubernatorial
election.
C
And
we
want
to
increase
turnout,
what's
the
quality
of
the
vote,
essentially
if
they
weren't
already
turning
out
previously.
So
we
don't
really
have
knowledge
tasks.
We
don't
really
have
any
tests
to
in
elections
to
make
sure
voters
you
know
quote,
know
enough
to
vote.
We
don't
do
that.
We
stopped
doing
that
a
long
time
ago.
1965
civil
rights
act,
we
stopped
doing
stuff
like
literacy
tests.
Ideally
we
want
folks
to
be
very
knowledgeable
about
civics
and
government,
but
you
know
busy.
Voters
don't
have
time
to
have
encyclopedic
information
about
elections.
C
There's
all
sorts
of
ways
that
rational
voters
make
really
good
decisions.
I've
got
a
billion,
not
a
billion.
I
have
several
books
written
by
professors
that
I
had
actually
at
ucsd,
who
have
done
a
lot
of
studies
showing
that
there
are
endorsements
or
newspaper
endorsements
interest
group
endorsements,
all
sorts
of
other
things
that
help
you
know
they
serve
as
what
we
call
information
shortcuts
that
substitute
for
larger
amounts
of
information-
and
you
know,
ideally
we
would
want
groups.
C
We
would
want
the
media
to
help
increase
the
amount
of
civic
information
that
people
have
especially
nowadays,
but
we're
pretty
confident
that
voters
can
make
good
choices,
and
I
don't
mean
good,
like
in
some
normative
way,
but
good,
like
matching
their
own
political
interests
without
being
super
knowledgeable
like
super
encyclopedic
knowledgeable,
so
the
other
thing
is
yeah
turnout
would
be
higher,
we're
pretty
confident
that
these
voters
could
still
make
rational
decisions.
C
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
too
is
that
we're
going
to
turn
out
that's
higher,
and
it's
going
to
we're
going
to
these
presidential
elections
that
are
going
to
get
people
pretty
excited
about
elections
and
that's
going
to
get
pretty
people
pretty
excited
about
the
mayoral
election
as
well.
So
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
groups
that
are
going
to
get
involved
in
local
elections,
stimulate
people's
interests
in
local
elections,
and
that's
a
really
good
thing.
C
Given
how
much
is
tied
to
local
elections,
I
always
encourage
my
students,
please
vote
in
the
local
elections,
there's
so
much
that
affects
you
on
a
daily
basis
like
public
safety
and
planning
and
land
use.
We
really
want
you
guys
to
get
involved
in
this
and
not
just
focus
on
the
state
elections
and
the
presidential
elections,
but
I
think
it's
a
thing
you
guys
absolutely
have
to
consider.
I
Thank
you,
so
I
have
commissioners
fuentes,
tran,
matsumura
sanchez,
siegel
and
then
marshman
again,
so,
commissioner
fuentes,
oh
okay,
thank
you.
Thank.
A
H
H
So
my
question
is
back
to
the
terry
to
the
question
of
a
strong
mayor,
and
I
you
know
part
of
what
I
think
that
is
our
charge
is
to
really
be
looking
out
for
democracy.
H
That's
one
of
the
things
that
I
that
I
learned
from
other
speakers
who
talked
about
past
charter
reviews
and
and
being
concerned
with
that
and
wanting
to
have
a
more
democratic
city
was
the
reason
that
we
had
got
the
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
have
the
district
elections.
H
H
It
could
mean
that
the
person
needs
to
you
know
be
stronger
politically.
They
can,
you
know,
develop
those
skills
if
they
don't
have
them,
but
more
important
is:
do
you
when
you
say
you're
in
favor
generally
have
been
in
favor
of
a
strong
mirror.
H
What
do
you
think
about
our
city?
Because
our
city
is
what
it
is
in
terms
of
the
the
strength
of
the
mayor,
and
we
have
a
very
strong
and,
I
would
say,
robust
district
council
member
seats
and
in
our
communities
benefit
from
that.
So
in
other
cities,
where
it
seems
that
a
strong
mayor
is
more
advantageous,
do
they
have
district
elections
and
how
does
it?
How
does
it
work.
G
G
Well,
a
larger
city
council
provides
more
direct
representation
for
more
people,
and
those
larger
councils
are
organized
more
like
legislative
bodies
like
a
state
legislature
like
a
federal
legislature
with
stronger
committees,
different
leadership
structure
and
so
on.
So
it's
it's!
It's
it's
different
in
those
large
cities,
but
I
think
chicago
and
and
new
york
are
outliers
with
the
total
number
of
council
members,
but
they're
all
elected
by
district
san
francisco
elected
by
district.
G
They
chose
that
before
we
did
in
san
jose,
then
you
may
remember
maria.
They
changed
their
minds.
The
voters
changed
their
minds
and
went
back
to
a
large
district
election
and
then
changed
their
minds
again.
So
they've
had
district
elections
just
a
little
bit
less
long
than
than
we
have.
I
think
thinking
about
the
the
role
of
the
mayor.
G
G
He
can't
actually
do
anything
except
what
you
said
a
few
minutes
ago,
quoting
chuck
davidson,
provide
a
leadership
role
in
the
city
council
to
move
the
council
as
a
whole
in
a
certain
direction.
Firing
a
police
chief
is
a
is
a
very
tough
thing
to
do
for
a
legislative
for
a
legislative
body.
They
have
to
persuade
the
city
manager
to
do
it,
but
that's
possible.
I
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Tran.
M
Thank
you.
A
couple
of
items,
one
just
just
quickly
sort
of
on
the
the
concern
that
the
votes
in
in
presidential
election
years,
which
we've
established
the
voters
who
are
turning
out
there
and
not
in
gubernatorial
years,
are
predominantly
people
of
color,
low-income,
younger
voters
to
refer
to
those
as
lower
quality
votes,
to
say,
there's
a
qualitative
difference
or
that
they're
less
informed
is
essentially
saying
that
those
voters
have
lower
quality
opinions
or
are
less
informed.
M
Now
I
don't
want
to
say
that's
what
commissioner
yep
was
saying,
because
I
think
he's
just
reflecting
back
an
argument
that
has
been
made,
but
I
do
want
to
just
quickly
make
that
point,
because
that's
a
very
concerning
argument
for
me
and
I
hope
we'll
all
be
keeping
that
in
mind.
If
that
argument
comes
up
again,
that
it
raises
major
equity
concerns
which
we've
committed
to
as
a
commission,
I.
I
Understood
if
you
can
keep
the
questions,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
I
want
to
held
everyone
accountable
to
the
same
non-profilizing
proselytizing
standard.
So
if
you
have
a
question
love
to
hear
that,
thank
you.
M
Yeah,
so
thank
you
to
the
presenters
both
for
for
really
helpful
presentations,
and
I
did
have
a
follow-up
on
on
the
the
mayor
council.
So
terry,
you
had
talked
about.
Okay,
there's!
You
know
you
hit
a
point
where
you
need
stronger
political
leadership.
G
Well,
the
main
indicators
are
or
something
like
political
deadlock,
where
agreement
just
can't
be
reached
where,
where
issues
faster
and
faster
and
faster
indefinitely,
because
agreement
can't
be
reached
because
there's
deep
factionalism
on
the
city
council
because
there's
a
mayor
who,
for
whatever
reason,
can't
pull
the
votes,
the
votes
together
and
can't
take
action
with
with
mayoral
authority.
G
So
we're
not
there
yet.
Fortunately,
some
people
think
we're
getting
closer
to
that.
But
but
we're
not
we're
not
there
in
san
jose,
where
there's
where
there's
direct,
where
there's
considerable
deadlock
in
in
in
action.
But
but
that's
that's
what
you
should
be
looking
for
and
that's
that's
what
tends
to
evolve
as
big
cities
grow
and
become
more
diverse
and
the
diversity
gets
expressed
as
factions
in
politics
and
the
factions
get
into
conflict
and
and
and
the
result
is
the
result-
is
deadlock?
G
Executive
authority
can
cut
through
that
skillful
council
organizing
can
cut
through
that.
But
it's
particularly
at
that
point
that
stronger
leadership,
I
think,
in
the
form
of
of
an
empowered
mayor,
is
necessary
when
you
get
to
that
point.
I
I
We're
still
having
a
hard
time
hearing
you.
Unfortunately,
if
you
want
to
respond
to
megan
via
email,
we
can
take
a
question
that
way
happy
to
do
that
or
if
you
can
I'll,
keep
coming
back
to
you.
If
you
get
your
audio
worked
out.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
a
chat,
so
I
can't
take
it
that
way.
Commissioner
sanchez.
A
A
Or
do
you
know
of
any
advantages
that
have
come
about
or
situations
where,
where
that's
helped
the
the
city
of
san,
diego
being
as
large
as
they
are
in
terms
of
moving
in
that
direction
versus
what
they
had
before?.
I
And
I'll
be
talking
about
this
in
a
minute,
but
we
are
going
to
have
a
speaker
from
san
diego,
that
was
chief
of
staff
to
a
council
member
to
talk
about
the
that
transition
and
outcomes.
So
thank
you
for
that
question.
Commissioner.
Sanchez.
I
F
On
here,
yes,
all
right
all
right,
thank
you.
I
see
the
applause.
I
appreciate
it
for
your
support.
That
was
a
very
challenging
time.
So
actually
so
just
a
quick,
frank
observation
before
we
get
to
my
question,
but
you
know,
professor
christensen
is
the
first
speaker,
who's
actually
expressed
even
a
modicum
of
support
for
for
a
strong
mayor
or
mayor
central
system.
So
I
think
that
perspective
is
appreciated
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
hear
and
evaluate
all
the
arguments
to
professor
kern
percival.
F
The
data
that
you
presented
was
quite
helpful,
but
I'm
also
curious
to
see
about
how
what
turnout
was
like
for
the
citywide
propositions
on
the
on
the
years
with
mayoral
elections,
because
I'm
curious
to
find
out
if
voter
turnout
was
just
lower
overall
or
if
there
was
or
a
higher
rate
of
undervoting
or
I
guess,
drop
off.
Whatever
term
is
used
here
in
presidential
years.
So
did
you
have
that
data
available.
F
Yeah,
I
think
it'll
be
helpful
because
it'll
be
helpful
to
see
if
the
picture,
if
there's
a
high
to
voter
turnout
on
the
one
issue,
matters,
but
still
a
lower
vote
count
on
the
mayoral
race.
I
think
that
might
be
another
data
point
for
us
to
assess
here
in
terms
of
the
scheduling
of
the
elections.
Also,
you
know
the
in
a
letter
that
was
sent
by
peter
allen.
F
He
did
give
us
some
data
showing
that
there
were
under
votes,
and
you
know
my
initial
reaction
to
that
was
that
if
we
have
higher
turnout
overall
I
mean
we
can't
ever
100
percent
get
rid
of
the
quote-unquote
undervotes.
But
you
know
we
have
a
higher
general
voter
turnout
because
a
rising
tide
lifts
all
boats
so
to
speak.
Have
you
were
able
to
compare
data
at
all
to
see
what
the
difference
is
in
terms
of
under
votes
in
the
mayoral
years
versus
the
presidential
years?.
C
I
was,
and
so
I
briefly
I
so
I
read
the
memo
and
my
understanding
was-
is
that
he
was
looking
at
also
at
undervote
undervotes
in
city,
council
elections
and
so
city
council
elections
are
by
district,
and
so
I'm
comparing
city-wide
races
so
or
garrick,
and
I
are
comparing
city-wide
races.
So
we
have
the
city-wide
races
for
those
city-wide
measures
and
for
the
mayoral
races
and
we
looked
at
the
undervotes,
so
the
ballot
roll-off
in
those
city-wide
races.
C
We
briefly
today
looked
at
2020,
so
the
citywide
race
in
the
presidential
year
measure
g
and
compared
that
to
the
mayoral
race
in
2018
and
found
it
was
very,
very
similar
and
then
our
previous
analysis.
We
compared
the
presidential
races
to
the
mayoral
races
and
found
it
was
like
maybe
a
percentage
and
a
half
to
two
percent
difference,
and
so
we
haven't
compared
them
to
city
council
races,
because
city
council
races
are
district-wide,
they're,
not
city,
ride
city-wide.
C
So
comparing
a
city-wide
election,
comparing
a
mayoral
election
to
district
elections
or
comparing
a
city-wide
measure
race
to
district
elections
is
not
what
we're
doing
we're.
Comparing
you
know.
What
would
what
do
we
expect?
Turnout
and
now
you
know
folks
are
very
interested,
of
course,
in
ballot
roll
off.
What
would
it
look
like
in
presidential
years,
so
it's
more
appropriate
to
compare
it
to
another
city-wide
race,
not
to
a
district-wide
race.
F
G
Just
wanted
to
go
to
your
first
point:
you
need
to
hear
from
former
mayor
tom
mchenry.
If
you
want
to
hear
somebody
talk
about
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government.
F
Appreciate
that
okay,
so
it
seemed
in
that
the
relevant
data
point
here
if
we
were
going
to
compare
undervotes
on
a
citywide
basis
to
a
city-wide
basis,
yes
would
be
cut
to
compare
the
votes
on
the
city-wide
propositions
as
well
in
the
same
year
as
where
we're
voting
for
mayor,
and
we
can
compare
the
undervotes
there
to
see
what
the
difference
is
too.
C
Really,
the
only
comparable
election
would
be
another
city-wide
race
during
a
presidential
year.
And
those
are
those
measures
that
we
use
measure
g,
for
instance,
in
2020..
So
in
2020
you
could
look
at
a
city-wide
race
which
is
measure
g
and
look
at
the
ballot
roll-off
and
compare
that
to
the
2018
mayoral
election.
And
if
you
see
a
huge
ballot
roll-off
in
that
city-wide
race,
you
might
have
an
argument
suggesting
you
might
see
really
big
ballot
roll-off
if
you
move
the
mayoral
election.
But
we
just
don't
see
evidence
of
that.
C
But
comparing
mayoral
ballot
roll-off
to
mayor
to
city,
to
district
city,
council
ballot,
roll-off
you're,
comparing
apples
to
oranges,
not
apples
to
apples.
I
I
Gonna
move
this
on,
but
if
you
have
additional
questions,
please
want
to
reach
out
to
me
and
I'll
I'll
make
sure
that
they
get
answered
through
our
guest
speakers.
So
I
have
commissioner
bruce.
Did
you
have
a
question?
No
okay,
so
I've
got
commissioners
siegel
might
ski
and
calendar
christopher
segal.
H
G
A
stronger
role
in
hiring
and
firing
department
heads,
maybe
more
direct
authority
over
over
the
city
manager,
start
with
those.
G
It
could
be
the
power
power
to
power
to
fire
right
now.
It
just
takes
a
majority
on
the
city
council
to
fire,
the
city
manager.
The
mayor
can
propose
that
at
any
time
and
try
to
try
to
get
the
vote.
So
it's
not
out
of
the
realm
of
possibility.
G
The
other
thing
would
would
probably
be
to
expand
the
budget
authority
of
the
mayor.
G
Right
now,
the
mayor
provides
the
broad
guidelines
with
the
mayor's
budget
statement.
The
council
has
to
agree
to
support
that.
Then
it
goes
to
the
city
to
the
then
it
goes
to
the
city
manager
to
work
out
the
details.
The
mayor's
office
of
budget.
E
G
Mayor's
budget
analyst,
that
office
could
be
expanded
to
play,
to
play
a
greater
role
and
go
into
more
detail
on
how
the
how
the
budget
is
put
into
effect.
I
Thank
you
great,
professor,
current
personal
anything
dad.
I
Great,
we
have
commissioner
mice
key
calendar
and
then
amador,
commissioner
meiske.
A
Yes,
thank
you
both
for
your
presentations
actually
changed
my
mind
quite
a
bit
from
where
I
was.
I
have
a
question
for
a
professor
christensen.
Actually,
you
may
have
already
answered
it
with
some
of
the
other
questions,
but,
right
now
this
commission
is
set
up
to
really
look
at.
Should
the
mayor's
powers
be
expanded,
it's
not
really
set
up
to
say.
A
Should
they
be
reduced
and
push
it
back
more
towards
the
council,
and
I
was
wondering
one
couple
reasons
why
we
might
want
to
do
that,
one
just
for
due
diligence
that
we
should
be
looking
at
all
the
options
available
here,
but
also,
if
we
look
at
if
we
go
back
to
a
pure
mayor
manager,
council
manager
forum,
if
I
get
that
right,
it
might
help
us
lead
us
to
why
what
kind
of
leadership
really
is
needed
in
terms
of
citywide
leadership
for
our
community-
and
I
I
heard
you
talk
about
what
you
in
the
last
speaker,
you
talked
about
what
you
think
should
be
happened,
but
you
didn't
say
why.
A
Why
is
that
level
of
leadership
needed?
So
I
just
I
guess
my
question
really
is:
what
do
you
think
of
that
approach
of
looking
at
hey?
Let's
push
it
all
back
to
the
city
manager
to
help
us
kind
of
get
a
feel
for
this,
or
is
that
just
too
far
out
in
left
field
for
us
to
look
at.
G
Well,
it's
in
left
field,
but
it's
pretty
interesting
question
that
actually,
I
think,
could
strengthen
your
interest
in
expanding
the
powers
of
the
mayor
to
look
at
to
to
look
at
what
it
would
be
like
to
even
further
reduce
the
power
and
authority
of
the
mayor
if
there's
no
budget
role
whatsoever,
if
you
take
away
the
budget
and
public
information
officer
the
mayor,
what
happens
now,
then,
is
it
harder
to
get
consensus
on
the
council?
G
I
think
the
answer
would
be
yes,
but
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
a
perfectly
valid
way
to
to
look
to
look
at
the
changes
that
may
or
may
not
be
may
or
may
not
be
needed.
Interesting.
I
Thank
you
yeah.
I
appreciate
that
that
perspective
christopher
calendar,
all
right.
A
Good
evening,
professor
percival
and
professor
christensen
definitely
was
very
enlightening
to
hear
from
you
good
to
see
you,
professor,
christine,
I
haven't
seen
you
in
quite
some
time.
Professor
christensen,
you
you
mentioned
something.
You
said
there
was
two
elected
city
attorneys
and
you
alluded
to.
There
may
be
some
concerns
or
some
problems
with
having
directly
elected
city
attorneys.
So
I
wanted
to
hear
one.
The
first
part
of
my
question
is:
why
did
you,
why
do
you
believe,
that's
problematic,
problematic
and
then
two?
G
Okay,
so
what
what
what
I
hear,
what
I've
heard
from
oakland,
what
I've
heard
from
san
diego
and
when
you
talk
to
the
former
chief
executive
for
the
the
previous
mayor
of
san,
diego
she'll,
fill
you
in
on
what
it's
like
working
with
the
city
attorney
that
does
an
independently
elected
city
attorney
adds
conflict
and
by
virtue
of
the
fact
that
that's
a
city-wide
elected
official,
just
like
the
mayor,
but
not
like
the
district
city
council
members.
G
So
it's
much
more
powerful
than
than
the
council
members
because
of
a
larger
constituency,
a
larger
electorate
and
I'm
not
an
enthusiast
of
electing
department
heads
simply
because
actually
running
the
department.
It's
different
from
being
a
mayor
and
being
a
political
leader
actually
running
a
department
requires
some
expertise
in
what
the
department
does
and
elections.
Don't
always
produce
that
expertise.
G
It's
hard
for
us
as
voters
to
know
whether
somebody
really
has
the
expertise
to
be
a
city
attorney
or
police
chief
and
to
understand
what
their
biases
might
be.
Bias
is
really
important
in
a
city
attorney,
because
there
are
city
attorneys
who
will
tell
the
council
and
the
mayor.
They
can
do
almost
anything,
they
want
to
do
and
we'll
find
a
way
to
to
do
it
legally,
and
there
are
other
city
attorneys
who
will
tell
a
council
on
an
elected
council
and
mayor?
G
No,
you
can't
do
virtually
anything
because
there
will
be
some
law
against
it.
Fortunately,
we
don't
have
that
problem
in
san
jose,
although
we
have
had
extremely
conservative
city
attorneys
who
who
were
stood
in
the
way
of
of
council
and
and
mayoral
action.
So
I'm
I'm
not
an
enthusiastic
enthusiast
of
elected
department
heads
I,
like
accountability
better
through
the
executive
ranks
either
to
the
city
manager
or
to
the
city
or
to
the
mayor.
I
You
thank
you,
so
we
have
a
question
from
commissioner
amador
and
then
we're
going
to
wrap
up
unless
there's
a
question
from
somebody
that
we
haven't
heard
from
yet
tonight
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
chance
to
hear
from
everybody
have
questions
before
we
go
back,
otherwise
we'll
wrap
up
and
move
on.
So,
commissioner
amador,
please.
A
Yes-
and
this
is
towards
the
data-
was
showing-
I
just.
A
C
So
a
higher
turnout
for
the
city-wide
measure
by
district.
C
Yes,
I
don't
have
that,
but
I
can
contact
the
registrar
of
voters
to
see
if
I
can
get
that
and
it
may
actually
be
by
precinct,
but
I
can
definitely
look
at
that
yeah.
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
A
Hi
good
evening,
so
I
I
see
our
role
as
commissioners
as
really
balancing
the
interests
of
both
the
mayor,
the
city
council,
as
well
as
the
city
manager.
So
my
question
is:
if
strengthening
the
role
of
the
mayor
results,
the
weakening
of
the
role
of
the
city
manager,
could
you
foresee
the
possible
unintended
consequences
of
either
city
administration
or
individual
department
head
becoming
more
political
as
a
way
to
respond
better
to
the
stronger
mayor
than
they
currently
do
to
the
city
manager,
and
would
that
be
a
probably
good
thing
or
a
bad
thing?
G
Oh
well,
that's
certainly
a
possibility,
and
you
see
that
in
some
other
cities
that
have
a
strong
mayor
form
of
government
where
the
department
heads
themselves
are
pretty
political.
Frankly,
we've
seen
that
in
san
jose
under
council
manager
form
of
government
in
the
past,
not
in
the
last
decade
or
so.
So
that's
that
that
happens.
It
could
happen
and
it
could
be
a
shortcoming
or,
and
it
could
not
necessarily
be
a
bad
thing
if
they're
responding
to
constituents
that
the
the
mayor's
trying
to
satisfy
on
services
rendered
by
the
departments
in
question.
I
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner.
Zhao.
H
H
So
I
compared
the
district
results
for
the
district
council
election
and
on
the
same
year,
so
each
district
turnouts
are
actually
very
different.
It
could
be
for
a
various
reasons,
but
overall,
I
think
the
election
the
president
election
year,
the
overall
results
could
be
higher.
H
But
my
question
is
in
during
the
presidential
election
because
the
heated
the
election,
it
results
everything
the
voter
reach
out,
cost
to
be
a
lot
higher.
H
So
if
we
move
the
mayoral
election
to
the
presidential
election,
which
means
that
the
election
cost
will
be
high
because
you
have
to
use
all
means
to
reach
out
to
the
voter,
it's
not
going
to
be
counting
on
two
legs.
So
how?
How
can
we
balance?
Because
I
understand
that
we
have
to
reach
out
to
the
under
served
communities,
those
voters
and
the
people?
The
candidates
have
the
less
financial
advantage
will
will
will
will
be
harder
to
reach
out.
So
is
there
any
suggestions
or
is
there?
How
do
we
solve
that
problem?.
C
C
So
the
recommendation
that
I
would
make
for
candidates
is,
you
will
have
to
reach
out
farther
for
voters
but
you're,
going
to
reach
a
more
diverse
electorate
and
so
you're
going
to
be
represented
or
you're
going
to
be
elected
by
a
more
representative
electorate
and
therefore,
when
you
serve
in
office,
you
can
claim
that
you
have
a
that
you've
been
elected
by
a
more
of
san
jose,
essentially
that
the
policy
that
you
recommend
the
policy
that
you
help
to
enact
on
behalf
of
the
voters
really
represents
more
of
the
people.
C
So
I
think
it's
more
of
a
democracy
argument
I
mean
that's.
One
of
the
recommendations
I
would
give
to
the
commissioners
is
that
it's
really
more
of
a
democracy
argument.
Yes,
elections
will
be
more
expensive
for
individual
candidates,
but
the
elections
themselves
will
be
more
representative
and
more
democratic.
G
We
should
remember
that
we're
not
only
electing
a
governor
but
seven
other
statewide
officials,
so
there's
an
awful
lot
of
campaigning
and
an
awful
lot
of
spending
going
on
in
those
years
actually
more
campaigning
and
spending
in
california
than
there
is
in
presidential
campaigns,
because
president
presidential
candidates
don't
campaign
here
they
suck
up
the
media
and
that's
really
important,
and
that
and
our
attention
is,
is
drawn
to
them,
but
remember
in
the
gubernatorial
years
there
are
an
awful
lot
more
going
on
in
actual
campaigns.
G
I
would
just
add
one
other
point
you
might
want
to
think
about
the
size
of
the
council
at
some
point.
If
you
do
go
to
any
kind
of,
if
you
do
move
towards
a
strong
mayor
system
in
almost
all
of
those
systems,
the
mayor
no
longer
sits
and
votes
as
a
council
member,
so
you
would
have
to
add
at
least
one
seat
to
the
city
council
to
make
it
eleven
and
an
odd
number.
So
you
don't
have
tie
votes,
could
add
a
couple
more
seats.
It
would
enhance
representation.
G
The
districts
would
be
a
little
smaller
they're
over
a
hundred
thousand
people.
Now
that's
getting
kind
of
big,
so
number
of
council
districts
might
be
something
you
want
to
consider
along
the
way
the
redistricting
commission
will
not
be
considering
that
their
specific
charter
mandate
is
to
redistrict
10
districts.
Only
so
that's
a
completely
separate
issue
from
premier
districting
and
with
that
I'll
conclude
and
thank
you
all
for
your
service.
G
I
will
continue
watching
and
listening
to
what
goes
on
with
the
commission
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
separately
from
events
like
this.
So
thank
you
all.
I
All
right,
thank
you,
professor
christensen.
Thank
you,
professor
professor
curran
percival,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
commissioner
percival,
who
helped
behind
the
scenes,
put
this
data
together
and
we
felt
the
best
to
have
professor
curran
percival
present,
but
you
know
his
efforts.
I
don't
want
to
go
on.
I'm
thanked
so
hope
to
be
in
touch
with
you
both
again.
If
there's
questions
we'll
forward
you
for
them
your
way,
and
thank
you
all
for
that
for
the
great
questions.
B
Thank
you,
professor
christensen,
and
professor
curran.
First
of
all,
we
really
appreciate
you
being
with
us
tonight.
I
will
now
call
for
comments
from
the
public
and.
A
Good
evening
again,
unfortunately,
I
I
have
to
disagree
with
my
good
friend
dr
christensen.
I
agree
that
as
cities
get
bigger
and
more
diverse,
it's
more
difficult
to
craft,
a
representative
solution
to
public
policy
problems,
but
I
absolutely
disagree
with
the
notion
that
those
conflicts
disappear.
A
If
you
have
a
strong
mayor
who
can
ignore
the
challenge
of
trying
to
craft
a
representative
solution,
what
you
often
get
when
you
have
that
kind
of
unwillingness
to
do
the
work
to
craft?
A
representative
solution
is
things
like
you
see
in
san
francisco
and
oakland,
which
is
ballot
box?
Budgeting,
which
is
the
people
who
can't
get
listened
to
by
the
mayor,
go
to
the
ballot
box
and
have
the
voters
do
the
budgeting
for
the
city?
A
And
if
you
want
to
see
incredible
messes
in
terms
of
how
public
finance
is
done
at
a
local
jurisdiction
check
that
out,
everybody
can
find
an
attractive
proposal
to
put
on
the
ballot
and
pull
parts
of
the
budget
to
be
used
to
fund
that
because
the
mayors
were
unwilling
or
unable
to
do
the
work
to
come
up
with
consensus
solutions.
A
I
think
the
the
reality
is
mayors,
with
leadership
skills,
mayors
with
drive
mayors
who
will
do
the
work,
can
put
these
representative
solutions
together,
and
perhaps
the
solution
is
to
make
sure
that
we
elect
people
who
have
these
capacities,
and
we
may
be
better
able
to
do
that
if
we
change
the
dates
of
the
election.
Thank
you.
A
F
Hello,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes
yeah.
I
used
to
believe
that
there
shouldn't
be
a
city
manager
because
the
city
manager
was
bureaucrat,
but
given
what
I've
seen
with
sam
ricardo,
I
almost
want
to
get
rid
of
the
mayor's
office
all
together
and
I
don't
want
to
see
him
have
any
more
power.
He
has
enough
power
already
I
mean
he.
He
orchestrated
the
stand
down
of
of
having
the
police
officers
arrest
anybody
during
the
counter
protest
during
a
trump
rally
in
2016..
F
He
he
orchestrated
that
he
was
forced
to
apologize
because
he
gave
the
the
directive
to
have
250
officers
stand
down
and
not
arrest,
people
who
were
assaulting
trump
supporters,
and
I
don't
expect
people
to
love
donald
trump,
but
imagine
what
kind
of
power
he
had
to
do
that
and
where
did
he
get
that
idea
from
hillary
clinton?
I
don't
know,
but
I
do
know
that
I
want
to
see
sam
ricardo
out
of
politics
forever.
I'm
not.
F
E
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
this
item.
Today.
It
sounds
like
you're
starting
to
ask
a
bit
more
questions
about
what
exactly
a
strong
mayor
can
be,
and
it's
sad
for
myself,
but
it's
important
to
to
have
good
opinions
on
both
sides
of
the
issue,
and
it's
my
real
belief
that
we're
you
know
headed
towards
the
process.
I
mean
mayor
locato,
wanted
things
like
the
strong
mayor
to
have
developmental
power,
a
singular
developmental
power
to
to
talk
with
development
agencies
and
the
like.
E
I
don't
think
we're
going
in
that
direction
with
the
future
of
a
strong
mayor.
I
think
a
strong
mayor
is
going
to
help
decide
the
future
of
city
managers
role,
and
you
know
those
sort
of
responsibilities.
It's
a
more
refined
effort
that
I
hope
will
be
working
towards
in
san
jose.
I
think
the
concept
of
a
city
manager
council
is
incredibly
important.
In
fact,
I
would
like
to
call
that
process
a
a
city
council,
community
process
that
we're
working
towards
in
our
future
and
better
developing
from
1985
and
all
the
way
back.
E
Basically,
you
know
I
good
luck
in
our
efforts
in
what
we
can
do.
I
think
the
yeah
it
is
the
it
is
the
it
is
the
community
and
it
is
a
council
that
that's
that's
the
focus,
it's
it's.
It's
the
ideas
of
of
democratic
practices,
it's
asking
for
majority
votes
of
of
of
the
firing
of
people
and
and
those
sort
of
issues,
that's
the
kind
of
refinement
I'm
talking
about,
and
it's
not
the
future
of
how
the
mayor
can
have
a
developmental
power
with
development
agencies.
E
I
mean
power
with
developmental
development
agencies,
so
yeah,
that's
an
important
thing
to
recognize
how
we
talk
about
the
future
of
the
mayor
process.
I
think
thank
you.
I
have
serious
questions
about
the
future
of
this
public
process
that
I
hope
I
can
bring
up
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
A
Good
evening,
can
you
hear
me
yes
good
evening,
commissioners,
thank
you
for
your
service
to
our
city.
It's
always
great
to
hear
from
professor
christensen,
by
the
way
he's
my
college
advisor
and
former
teacher
at
san
jose
state
university.
So
hello,
professor
christensen,
my
name
is
omar
torres.
I'm
deputy
chief
chief
of
staff
for
councilman
magdalena
carrasco,
who
authored
the
proposal
to
move
our
amero
election
to
the
presidential
cycle.
Easy
and
accessible
voting,
has
always
been
one
of
many
social
justice
issues
of
our
lifetime
across
the
country.
A
We
are
seeing
direct
assaults
on
voting
and
participation
at
all
levels
at
all
levels
of
government.
We
have
seen
that
coven
19
has
discussingly
exposed
inequities
in
our
most
vulnerable
communities,
including
at
the
ballot
box
council.
Member
carrasco
hopes
that
this
commission
takes
the
lead
in
making
sure
that
making
sure
we
have
greater
participation
from
our
beautiful
and
diverse
san
jose
community.
D
Strategies-
hey
there,
sorry,
that's
the
business
name.
This
is
peter
allen.
A
former
planning,
commissioner,
very
good,
to
see
you
all
commissioners
thanks
so
much
for
the
time
tonight.
Chair
ferrer,
I
would
absolutely
not
argue
with
the
fact
that
turnout,
voter
turnout
on
the
whole
in
presidential
years
is
not
significantly
higher
than
it
is
in
gubernatorial
years.
D
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
you
know
numbers
can
be
crafted
and
moved
around
to
make
your
make
a
point,
and
I
think
you
should
take
a
look
at
that,
but
that
being
said,
I
would
like
to
go
back
to
something
dr
christensen
said
earlier,
which
is
what
is
the
problem
you
were
trying
think
about
the
problem
you're
trying
to
solve
and
think
about.
The
power
of
the
charter
to
solve
that
problem.
D
If
you
were
going
to
move
the
mayoral
election,
I
think
that's
fine,
if
you're
also
considering
empowering
the
mayor
more
because
then
the
position
does
have
a
little
more
importance,
but
in
in
absent
absent
that
if
you
move
the
mayoral
election
to
gubernatorial
years,
you're,
basically
saying
that
districts,
one
three
five,
seven,
nine
matter
less
and
that
the
voters,
the
infrequent
voters,
the
people
of
color,
the
young
voters
who
are
not
voting
in
those
elections.
D
You
know
they
their
voices
matter,
somehow
less
in
electing
their
district
representative
when,
in
fact
a
district
representative
is
just
another
vote
and
you
need
six
votes
to
get
anything
done
in
the
city.
So
I
would
make
that
small
point
and
then
also
moving
this
election
to
the
presidential
year
or
any
of
the
elections
to
the
presidential
year
would
not
make
it
easier
to
vote.
It
would
not
increase
access.
You
would
still
have
the
same
access
to
the
ballots.
We
really
have
to
examine
why
people
are
not
voting.
D
O
Hello
members
of
the
commission,
jeffrey
buchanan,
with
partnerships
usa,
first
I'd
like
to
thank
the
chair
for
for
selecting
two
wonderful
speakers
for
for
today's
topic.
Certainly
to
date
the
commission
has
has
covered
a
lot
of
topics,
but
I
was
appreciated
that
we
finally
made
time
to
talk
about
election
timing.
O
As
someone
who
spent
a
fair
deal
of
2020
talking
with
voters
about
the
the
concept
of
moving
our
mayoral
election,
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
broadly
popular
in
the
city
of
san
jose,
in
fact
public
polling,
suggested
80
percent
of
san
jose
voters
would
support
moving
the
election
to
presidential
years.
O
That's
that's
right
up
there
with
with
apple
pie,
favorability
numbers,
so
I
I
think
that
the
data
presented
in
today's
conversation
was
fairly
clear
when
we're
talking
about
the
election
of
a
mayor
and
ensuring
that
that
mayor
is
accountable
to
the
entire
city
of
san
jose,
trying
to
have
an
electorate.
That's
better
representative
of
young
voters,
of
renters,
of
people
of
color,
of
non-native
voters
of
individuals
who
are
lower
income
or
who
have
completed
lower
levels
of
education.
O
All
these
are
are
are
underrepresented,
and
you
know
populations
that
many
would
say
are
are
more
likely
to
be
underrepresented
in
their
in
terms
of
our
elected
officials
and
so
certainly
appreciate
the
the
comments
by
mr
torres
earlier
on
behalf
of
councilmember
carrasco.
At
a
time
when
we're
seeing
so
many
attacks
on
efforts
around
disenfranchisement
shouldn't,
we
be
trying,
as
a
city
of
san
jose,
to
be
strengthening
our
democracy.
O
Having
more
representation,
you
know
bringing
those
estimated
148
000
additional
voters
into
the
process
of
selecting
our
next
mayor.
It
seems
very
important.
I
hope
that
the
commission
continues
to
act
on.
J
F
Thank
you,
mr
chase.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
to
follow
up
on
this
conversation.
We
had
last
time
about
the
firing
of
a
former
city
manager
at
chicago,
and
I
I
did
you
know,
study
it
in
more
detail
and
what
I
found
out
and
I'm
sure
all
of
you
also
did.
If
you
all
also
studied
the
situation,
is
that
a
commissioner
result
was
essentially
absolutely
correct
about
how
this
happens.
F
Well,
then,
mayor
elect
ricardo
had
lined
up
sufficient
support
on
council
to
put
forward
a
resolution
that,
if
passed,
would
have
resulted
in
the
firing
of
the
city
manager
very
simple
and
the
other
reason
this
never
never
went
to
council
is
because
at
chicago
knowing
that,
basically
you
know
he
was
going
to
get
booted
out.
You
know
resigned
and
that's
why
it
never
went
to
council.
F
So
it
seems
to
me
unclear
as
to
why
we
need
a
stronger
mayor
than
what
we
already
have
since.
Essentially
he
can
you
know,
line
up
sufficient
council
members
to
basically
get
the
job
done
and,
quite
frankly,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
what
democracy
is
all
about
now.
The
other
thing
about
you
know
aligning
the
email
elections
with
the
presidential
relaxants.
F
You
know,
as
I
pointed
to
you
last
time,
is
the
question
in
front
of
you
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
two
intervening
years?
Are
you
going
to
be
extending
mayor
lee
cardo's
tenure
as
a
mayor
for
another
two
years,
or
are
you
just
going
to
be
electing
somebody
else
for
two
years
and
that's
my
two
cents
for
tonight?
Thank
you.
M
N
Oh
sweet
y'all
hear
me
all
right:
hi,
hello
charter
review,
commission
humans.
My
name
is
cynthia
in
public.
I
am
a
local
producer,
small
business
owner
comedian
and
I'm
currently
broadcasting
live
with
only
in
san
jose
in
on
twitch.
I
listened
to
this
entire
meeting
and
there
was
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
regarding
the
strong
mayor
initiative,
moving
mayoral
elections
to
presidential
election
years,
and
I
think
that
we're
looking
at
a
lot
of
these
issues
backwards,
rather
than
focusing
on
some
of
the
logistical
issues
that
come
with
these
changes.
N
I
think
it's
important
to
certain
the
decisions
to
certain
these
decisions
on
the
people
that
it
impacts
so
based
on
personal,
the
data
that
principal
has
presented.
I
think
that
it's
important
to
continue
to
compile
that
data
and
focus
on
the
really
achieving
the
outcome
we
desire,
which
I
think
we
can
all
agree
on-
is
a
greater
representation
of
our
very
diverse
population
of
san
jose
and
strengthening
our
democracy.
N
In
addition
to
that,
I
think
we
need
to
place
a
stronger
focus
on
addressing
the
potential
systemic
reasons
why
people
don't
vote
between
presidential
elections.
It
could
be
related
to
hey,
they
don't
get
four
hours
to
pay
time
off,
they're
not
going
to
vote,
or
maybe
there's
not
as
many
like
voting
booths
or
access
to
a
lot
of
these
things
that
are
more
accessible
during
presidential
years.
N
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment,
I'm
interested
to
hearing
more,
and
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
all
trying
to
represent
the
people
of
san
jose,
so
we
should
be
working
hard
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
the
solutions
that
we
come
up
with
can
better
increase
representation
during
voting,
as
well
as
increase
representation
of
our
very
diverse
pool
of
constituents.
Thank
you.
A
M
L
Hey
everyone:
my
name
is
jake
tonkel,
I'm
a
resident
of
district
6
and
former
candidate
for
san
jose
city
council.
I
love
the
conversation
around
focusing
on
voter
turnout
and
wanted
to
expand
what
we're
looking
at
and
particularly
around
peter
allen's
clarification
of
the
difference
between
a
primary
and
a
general
turnout.
L
There
are
multi-choice
voting
systems
out
there
ranked
choice,
voting
star,
voting
approval
voting
that
would
allow
us
to
circumvent
a
primary
election.
To
me,
this
has
a
big
equity
improvement.
Not
only
can
voter
turnout
between
a
primary
and
a
general
improve
between
50
and
100
percent,
the
district
4
race,
you
know,
doubled.
It
was
a
100
percent.
L
Voter
turnout
increase
the
district
6
race
was
50
increase,
but
it
also
shortens
the
cycle
for
candidates,
meaning
they
have
to
raise
less
money
and
take
less
time
off
of
work
away
from
their
families,
which
can
lead
to
a
higher
caliber
candidacy
or
options
for
candidacy
that
might
more
closely
represent
the
community
itself
and
the
people
that
should
be
qualified
and
are
qualified
to
do
so
than
representing
their
community.
So
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
open
up
some
of
the
you
know
tbd
research,
on
voter
turnout
to
those
types
of
models.
L
I
think
we'll
see
a
lot
more
of
empowerment
as
well
as
people
understand
that
they
have
many
different
choices
for
candidates
and
not
just
you
know,
the
the
lesser
is
of
two
evils,
which
is
a
common
phrase,
particularly
among
disenfranchised
non-voters.
I
would
say
so.
I
wanted
to
make
that
my
two
cents
for
tonight.
O
Hello,
this
is
sandy
perry,
I'm
with
the
affordable
housing
network
of
santa
clara
county
and
also
chan,
deliverance
ministry.
We
work
on
housing
and
homeless
issues
in
the
city
of
san
jose
and
we're
strongly
in
favor
of
moving
the
mayoral
election,
we're
in
the
middle
of
a
huge
battle
all
over
the
country
around
the
future
of
democracy
or
whether
we'll
even
have
a
democracy
after
depending
on
what
happens
in
the
senate
and
in
all
these
state
legislatures.
O
So
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
we're
having
this
discussion
here
today
and
I
think-
and
I
strongly
favor
the
election
of
the
mayor
during
presidential
years-
that
certainly
the
issues
that
affordable
housing
network
works
on
such
as
housing,
homelessness,
rent
control,
and
these
are
the
issues
which
impact
more
than
other
people.
Even
the
people
of
color,
low-income
people,
youth.
O
B
L
Hi
alina
here.
Firstly,
I
would
really
like
to
thank
commissioner
matsumura
for
bringing
up
on
how
we
speak
about
voters,
and
I
think,
if
there
is
anything
to
be
said
about
whom
is
less
informed
and
more
informed,
I
think
we
also
need
to
think
about.
You
know
the
amount.
L
I
think
some
commissioners
have
brought
up
there's
a
lot
of
coverage
of
the
presidential,
so
that
means
there's
a
lot
of
material
and
also
you
know
we
need
to
understand
the
language
barriers
and
the
access
access
to
civic
process,
especially
as
we're
going
through
this
and
we've
been
debating
about
language
translations
demographically
certain
communities,
especially
non-english
speakers.
L
You
know,
have
less
resources
to
participate
in
these
between
elections
and,
like
my
co-host
cynthia
said,
you
know
it's
about
bringing
more
of
the
san
jose
representation
and
for
everybody
else,
listening,
there's
a
group
of
us
on
twitch.tv
only
in
sj
and
we're
in
a
chat
and
we're
talking
about
this
so
feel
free
to
join
the
discussion.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
will
now
move
us
to
our
old
business,
which
is
the
update
from
staff.
Tony
I'm
going
to
start
with
you.
J
The
biggest
update,
oh,
let
me
turn
on
my
camera
hold
on
the
biggest
update.
Is
your
letter
was
heard
at
the
last
two
rules
meetings,
the
first
time
it
went
to
the
public
record,
which
is
the
normal
process
for
boards
and
commissions
letters,
and
then
that
was
moved
to
the
actual
rules
agenda
for
discussion
last
week
and
with
no
discussion.
It
was
just
moved
to
council
for
next
week.
So
there's
just
nothing
to
update
you
on
anything.
They
may
have
said
regarding
your
letter,
so
all
of
that
discussion
will
occur
next
week.
B
I
want
to
just
thank
the
fellow
commissioners
who
attended
that
meeting
and
spoken
in
favor
of
our
request.
I
appreciate
both
the
both
times,
folks
being
there
to
support
us,
and
it
was
unanimously
passed
out
of
the
rules
committee
that
I
appeared
before
so,
which
is
good
and
now
we'll
go
to
the
april
27th
city
council
meeting
for
the
discussion
and
vote
as
well
city
attorney
mark.
I
J
Right,
okay
subcommittee
roles,
sorry
so
there's
two
different
types
of
subcommittees:
there's
standing
subcommittees
and
then
there's
ad
hoc
subcommittees
ad
hoc
subcommittees
and
mark
can
correct
me.
If
I'm
saying
any
of
this
wrong,
you
can
create
a
subcommittee
that
doesn't
need
staff.
J
So,
if
you
want
to
have
you
know
three
people,
it
needs
to
be
less
than
quorum.
To
look
at
a
particular
topic
to
say
we
want
three
people
to
look
at
just
moving
the
mayoral
election.
We
want
three
people
to
look
at
if
we
move
the
mayoral
election.
J
J
That
would
be
that
an
ad
hoc
commission
subcommittee
needs
to
be
limited
in
term
to
less
than
six
months.
You
guys
are
pretty
much
not
going
to
be
much
more
than
six
months
at
this
point,
but
a
ad
hoc
cup
subcommittee
needs
to
be
limited
in
terms
a
standing
subcommittee.
If
you
were
to
create
one
we're
going
to
have
this
subcommittee
and
it's
going
to
go
for
the
entire
length
of
our
time
that
still
requires
staff.
It
requires
an
agenda.
It
requires
minutes,
so
we
tend
to.
J
We
tend
to
ask
commissions
to
not
do
standing
subcommittees,
because
a
standing
subcommittee
is
just
as
much
work
as
the
committee
of
a
whole,
but
some
commit
ad
hoc
subcommittees
can
be
really
useful
to
have
a
couple.
People
who
maybe
are
really
interested
in
one
portion
of
your
work
plan
and
they
really
want
to
like
get
together
and
talk
it
through
and
come
up
with
some
ideas
or
to
be
able
to
to
do
extra
research
and
report
back
so
that
that's
one
of
the
options
you
guys
would
have.
B
M
Thank
you
I
just
wanted
to.
I
have
a
question
for
the
clerk
regarding
the
budget,
but
it
sounds
like
we
should
close
out
the
subcommittee
discussion
before
coming
back
to
that.
B
All
right,
thank
you!
I'll,
come
back
back
to
you.
I
see
everyone's
hands
down
again,
so
we're
good
okay.
So,
commissioner
matsumura
you
can
ask
your
question
about
budget.
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
also
hear
from
the
clerk
about
public
hearings,
because
we
wanted
to
to
start
thinking
about
what
a
future
public
hearing
would
look
like
and
what
the
commission
needs
to
consider
when
planning
for
that
hearing,
whatever
it
is.
J
Okay,
so
for
public
hearings
we
this
this
itself
is
like
a
public
hearing.
All
members
of
the
public
can
attend,
they
can
speak,
they
can
raise
their
hand.
The
public
hearings
we
do
for
like
salary
setting
commission
is
we'll
set
up
a
meeting,
that's
just
to
hear
from
the
public.
J
So
we
it's,
we
get
maybe
give
them
the
materials,
and
we
want
to
hear
what
you
want
to
say
about
this
topic
and
we
don't
necessarily
engage
in
a
discussion
and
action
item.
That's
one
type
of
public
hearing,
there's
different
types.
So
that's
what
we
do
for
salary
sitting,
commission
we
or
what
we
used
to
do.
When
the
salary
sitting
commission,
they
only
meet
every
five
years
now,
so
they
would
have
a
public
hearing
in
the
north.
J
Central
and
south
part
of
san
jose
we'd
send
out
invites
to
through
the
council
offices,
and
then
people
would
come
and
we'd
have
the
commission
sitting
there
and
people
would
just
say
we
think
the
council
is
overpaid
or
underpaid.
We
think
this
and
they
they
would
just
talk
they're.
Another
type
of
public
hearing
is
what
you
see
at
the
council
meetings
where
it
would
be
part
of
an
agenda
like
tonight.
It
wouldn't
be
held
at
a
special
time.
J
So
if
you're
interested
in
and
then
there's
the
other
public
hearing,
is
that,
like
once,
you
have
a
recommendation
and
you're
you're
kind
of
like
we
think
we
want
to
go
with
this
type
of
structure
with
this
election
date
and
this
adjustments
to
power,
and
then
you
have
that
sort
of
all
written
and
packaged
together.
Then
you
invite
the
public
to
come
in
where
they
have
something
to
read
something
to
look
at
something
to
comment
on.
J
I
Well,
that's
awful
tony!
You
had
mentioned
a
few
points
in
the
past
location
that
you
might
do
something
around.
Is
there
any
requirement-
and
I
guess
it's
a
two-part
question
since
we're
in
zoom
right
now,
do
we
anticipate
continuing
to
do
zoom
public
hearings
for
the
foreseeable
future?
J
I
don't
think
there's
a
requirement,
but
I
think
it's
something
we
should
do.
I
think
that's
best
practice,
because
not
everybody
has
access
to
technology,
not
everybody
has
access
to
transportation,
so
the
hybrid
is
good.
The
moving
forward,
doing
a
hybrid
meeting
where
we
have
say
a
community
room
in
district
five
and
we're
going
to
have
a
meeting,
and
it's
going
to
be
partially
zoom
and
partially
in
public.
J
That
gets
tricky
because
I
don't
know
how
the
technology
is
in
the
other
community
rooms
like
I
know
we
can
do
that
at
city
hall,
because
we
have
a
big
screen
to
put
this
this,
like
this
screen
on
a
big
screen.
I
don't
know
how
how
that
would
work
at
the
community
center.
Is
that
something
that
we're
we're
working
on
we've
kind
of
got
a
task
force
looking
at
the
return
to
work
with
with
hybrids,
at
least
for
now
up
through
probably
the
end
of
june,
we're
looking
at
100
zoom.
J
So
it
would
be.
You
know
one
zoom.
We
could
target
council
districts
if
you
want
to
say
we
want
to
tar.
We
want
you
to
target
like
this
geographical
area.
I
can
work
with
the
city
manager's
office
with
their
nextdoor
account
to
target
zip
codes,
and
then
I
can
of
course,
work
with
the
council
office
and
then
we
also
have
the
list
of
neighborhood
commissions
per
district
or
not
neighborhood
commissions,
neighborhood
organizations
per
district
that
we
can
target
with,
like
we
really
are
looking
for
this
I'd.
J
Hopefully,
in
like
mid
july,
we
could
go
in
person
because
we
are
going
to
go
dark
with
you
guys
for
the
first
two
weeks
of
july,
but
that
that's
kind
of
what
we're
looking
at.
It's
still,
you
know
balls
in
the
air
as
we
talk
about
it
with,
because
it's
it's
not
just
me.
It's
it's
a
multi-department
function,
the
running
of
meetings
and
when
it's
zoom,
it's
pretty
much
like
me,
and
I
t.
I
And
just
last
question:
as
far
as
timing
of
announcing
a
public
meeting
and
the
preparation,
what
kind
of
a
window
would
you
expect
to
need
for
a
zoom
meeting
or.
I
J
We
I
usually
go
with
the
10-day
notice
out:
no
is
it
10-day
yeah
10-day,
because
it's
a
pretty
standard
public
hearing
notice
time
you
can
also
do
30
days.
30
days
requires
us
to
really
know
well
well
ahead,
that
you
guys
are
going
to
be
ready.
So
if
you
say
we
think
by
july,
15th
we're
gonna
have
something
substantial
for
the
public
to
come
and
look
at.
J
We
can
notice
it
out
30
days,
but
we
generally
want
to
do
10
days
out,
because
if
I,
if
I
you
say
you
tell
me
tonight,
we
want
to
have
a
public
hearing.
You
know
in
two
weeks
tonight
I've
got
to
create
the
public
hearing.
I've
got
to
get
it
out
there.
It's
really
ends
up
only
being
a
week
to
a
week
and
a
half
that
people
can
see.
They
can't
plan
for
it
ahead
of
time.
So
we
try
to
have
everything
ready
for
10
days
so
like
like.
L
B
Let's,
let's
move
forward,
because
I
want
to
get
to
the
changes
that
we've
made
in
the
work
plan
as
well,
so
that
this
will
come
up
again
in
terms
of
thank
you
tony,
because
that'll
help
us
to
make
some
decisions
around
calendar,
and
we
have
a
proposal
tonight
around
what
this
might
look
like,
especially
given
the
calendar.
The
way
it's
kind
of
moving
forward.
But
first
I'd
like
lawrence
to
walk
through
the
governance
summary
document
that
he
that
he's
adapted
and
I'm
gonna.
M
Yeah,
I
know
thank
you
so
much
so
regarding
the
funding
request.
That's
going
to
city
council
on
april
27th.
I
would
imagine
that
city
council
would
be
looking
for
some
some
guidance
or
analysis
either
from
staff
for
the
commission
about
specific
numbers
or
how
the
funding
is
going
to
be
allocated.
Obviously,
we've
provided
some
analysis
and
discussion
on
that,
but
I
wanted
to
find
out
from
the
staff
and
chair
if
possible,
what
if
any
plan
is
there
to
to
provide
this
kind
of
information
to
city
council.
B
I
think
the
other
thing
is
that
the
office
has
to
look
for
where
these
dollars
would
come
from
right,
because
it's
an
unallocated
budget
item.
So
that's
what
they're
doing
and
they
said
they'd
be
ready
to
come
back
on
april
27th,
but
thank
you
to
everybody
who
submitted
materials
and
ideas
and
costs
along
with
the
clerk's
numbers.
I
think
that'll
be
it's
helpful
for
them,
because
they
have
a
working
kind
of
document
around
what
this
would
look
like.
B
Okay,
now.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,
let's
move
to
now
lawrence,
would
you
talk
to
us
about
the
document
of
updates
that
you
did.
I
Absolutely,
let's
see,
let
me
get
my
notes
here,
okay,
so
I
would
like
to
walk
you
through
a
couple
things
that
put
together-
and
this
is
my
notes-
excuse
me,
okay,
so
the
first
was
the
governance,
summary
governance
structure,
summary
of
powers
and
practice
document
that
was
sent
out
end
of
last
week.
This
was
a
request
from
commissioners,
as
of
the
last
meeting
on
april
5th,
to
organize
some
of
the
presentation
around
relevant
sections
of
san
jose's
city
charter
into
a
document
by
roll.
So
this
is
the
table
of
contents.
I
Here,
council,
mayor
city
manager
and
I
tried
to
break
it
up
in
some
basic
subcategories.
Basically
how
each
of
these
roles
is
elected
or
removed,
and
then
the
power
authority
they
have
over
appointments
policy,
budget
and
implementation
and
also
has
an
updated
cheat
sheet
or
the
chart
that
we've
been
updating
as
a
living
document.
Thank
you
all
for
for
sending
along
thoughts.
I
tried
to
include
this
the
best
I
could
and
then
you'll
see
that
there's
specific
sections
called
out
with
the
actual
verbiage
from
from
the
charter.
I
So
this
is
a
living
document.
You'll
also
notice.
Excuse
me
that
under
each
section
there
is
an
in
practice
bullet
that
is
waiting,
and
I
want
to
thank
commissioner
lizot
for
spending
some
time
sending
me
a
redline
version
of
this
document.
That
includes
some
initial
thoughts
about
how
this
plays
out
in
practice.
I
I
think
we
heard
some
other
things
from
professor
christensen
tonight
with
regards
to
some
of
the
the
powers
that
mayors
have
taken,
rather
than
are
being
that
have
been
granted
directly
in
the
charter,
so
there
will
be
a
revision
to
this
document
and
the
follow-up,
hopefully
in
the
follow-up,
email
I'll
get
this
to
you
as
soon
as
you
can,
but
hopefully
this
is
a
good
another
piece
of
collateral
and
reference
for
you
to
guide
your
your
thinking.
I
I
Next
is
the
work
plan
revision.
I
have
not
sent
this
out
because
I
wanted
to
review
with
you
all
tonight
and
get
your
your
thoughts.
What
I
have
done
basically,
is
added
a
new
section
about
sub-committees
and
recommendations
process.
So
we
started
to
hear
last
week
about
the
thought
of
starting
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
recommendations
are
brought
to
the
commission.
I
I
First
of
all,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
precious
time
that
this
committee
this
commission
has
in
their
their
full
meetings
is,
is
used
as
as
well
as
possible,
and
so
we
want
to
leverage
the
subcommittee
structure,
probably
the
ad
hoc
version
of
subcommittees,
as
as
the
city
clerk
mentioned,
to
help
basically
develop
recommendations
for
consideration
for
the
full
council.
We've
heard
a
lot
of
different
ideas.
We've
heard
input
from
the
public,
we'll
hear
more
input
from
the
public,
but
really
want
to
to
create
subcommittees.
I
The
subcommittees
that
we're
proposing
are
are
basically
mirror
the
the
three
different
buckets
that
we've
been
talking
about
of
governance,
structure,
timing
of
elections
and
accountability,
representation
and
inclusion.
So
the
thinking
here
is
that
we
would
have
one
subcommittee
for
each
of
these.
I
We
would
ask
commissioners
which
subcommittee
that
they're
interested
in
committed
joining
if
any,
it's
not
a
requirement,
but
if
there's
a
particular
issue
that
excites
you
and
you're
interested
in
doing
some
more
research
or
having
conversations
with
other
commissioners,
then
we
would
welcome
your
your
continued
involvement
to
start
to
to
really
pick
up
the
pace
about
how
we're
starting
to
think
about
these
issues
and
bring
more
fully
fleshed
out
ideas
back
to
the
commission
for
consideration
these
commit.
I
These
subcommittees
would
need
to
be
less
than
quorum
and
we
would
probably,
although
we
don't
need
staff
to
be
present.
The
chair-
and
I
have
spoken
about
at
the
very
least
supporting
subcommittees
either
by
the
the
chair.
Vice
chair,
or
myself
or
or
potentially
marielle,
my
colleague
who's,
taking
notes
on
these
calls
to
be
there
just
to
help
to
build
capacity
for
facilitation
and
make
sure
the
conversation
is
productive
and
fruitful
and
and
at
least
to
get
things
started,
but
we'll
see
how
that
goes.
The
subcommittee's!
I
Basically,
I
there's
been
something:
that's
caught
been
brought
up
a
few
times
about
sort
of
what
are
you
looking
to
change,
and
so
I've
put
together
here
a
recommendations
process,
basically
a
process
to
bring
proposals
for
recommendations
that
have
been
really
thought
through
more
than
just
a
potential
idea.
I
So
one
of
the
ideas
that
came
up
tonight
would
be
the
ability
for
the
the
the
mayor
to
fire,
the
city
manager
himself
or
herself,
and
that's
a
great
idea
in
and
of
itself
or
not,
but
we
won't
know
until
we
really
think
through
what
the
implications
of
that
idea
are.
So
what
we're
proposing
here
is
basically
a
a
set
of
criteria
for
commissioners
or
the
general
public
should
they
want
to
submit
a
memo
that
would
help
expediate
the
the
consideration
or
recommendations,
but
for
a
particular
idea.
I
We're
proposing
that
the
commission
or
subcommittees
consider
the
following
really
outlining
what
problem
you're
trying
to
address
and
then
getting
to
what
change
you
are
proposing,
so
make
sure
that
we're
clear,
clearly
defining
the
problem
that
we
want
to
address
and
then
getting
to
the
change
or
the
revision
that
we're
posing
proposing
to
the
city
charter.
Thinking
through
is
that
change,
feasible.
We've
heard
some
proposals
that
really
just
actually
wouldn't
work
in
practice:
the
idea
of
electing
a
city
manager.
I
I
think
we
heard
that
well
potentially
legally
well,
actually,
no,
it's
not
legally
feasible,
because
the
I
heard
from
some
other
work
that
I'm
doing
that
the
international
gosh
city
manager,
association,
icma,
prevents
city
managers
from
from
any
kind
of
political
office,
so
being
elected,
would
be
going
against
that
profession.
So
really
before
we
bring
a
proposal
to
this
commission,
we
want
to
think
through.
I
A
memo
type
approach
put
together
proposed
recommendations
that
can
be
shared
with
the
commission
ahead
of
time
using
that
structure
that
communications
timeline
that
we
talked
about.
Ideally,
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
proposal
that
that
a
subcommittee
or
or
individual
commissioner,
would
like
the
commission
to
consider
that
this
template
is
completed
and
shared
with
council
commissioners
before
on
the
friday
before
the
next
meeting,
so
there's
a
chance
to
to
digest
and
think
through
these
and
have
an
informed
conversation.
I
But
this
template
includes
simple
details,
like
name
submitted
by
and
date,
and
then
those
questions
with
a
couple
prompts:
what
problems
are
you
trying
to
address?
What
change
are
you
proposing
to
to
address
or
solve
that
problem?
Is
this
change
feasible?
What
are
the
equity
implement
implications?
I
I
have
a
link
to
the
gear
racial
equity
toolkit
with
two
questions
that
I
pulled
out
from
there
you'll
see
that
some
of
the
questions
in
other
parts,
some
of
the
other
numbered
questions-
are
also
in
the
racial
equity
toolkit,
so
didn't
need
to
duplicate
them,
but
I
think
I
thought
the
question
is
that
who
benefits
from
or
will
be
burdened
by
your
proposal
and
what
are
your
strategies
for
advancing
racial
equity
or
mitigating
unintended
consequences
would
be
helpful
to
at
least
start
to
consider
when
we're
bringing
proposals
proposed
recommendations
to
the
to
the
commission
and
then
really
thinking
through.
I
The
last
thing
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
walk
through
was
a
quick
update
on
the
work
plan
we
are
on
may
3rd
and
we
had
excuse
me
on
april
19th
we
had
our
professors
guest
speakers
on
may
3rd.
I
have
booked
stephanie,
jane
and
sabrina
para
garcia
from
the
san
jose
office
of
racial
equity,
they'll
be
giving
us
an
overview
of
their
work
at
the
office.
How
the
office
thinks
about
racial
equity
in
san
jose
and
what
they're
working
on,
and
they
have
asked
commissioners
if
they
have
any
specific
questions,
I've
done.
I
I
But
I
do
if
you
have
specific
questions
that
you'd
like
to
hear
from
them
would
appreciate
you
emailing
me
so
that
I
can
inform
them,
so
they
can
be
best
prepared
as
possible.
I'm
also
thanks
to
commissioner
matt
samura
in
conversation
with
one
of
the
commissioners
on
the
detroit
charter.
Commission
I'll
be
talking
to
him
tomorrow,
whether
or
not
he
is
able
to
join
us
on
may
3rd
or
someone
else
that
he
recommends
might
be
the
best
fit.
I
Hopefully
I
can
get
someone
else
slotted
in
on
may
3rd
as
well,
so
that
we
can
start
that
examples
from
comparative
cities
across
the
country
and
then
on
may
17th.
I
I
have
that
examples
from
comparative
cities
across
the
country
continued
and
I've
booked
guest
speaker,
amy
fawcett,
who
has
mentioned,
was
chief
of
staff
for
former
san
diego
mayor
kevin
faulconer,
and
was
there
during
the
shift
from
council
manager
to
mayor
council
and
apparently
is
a
great
speaker
and
is
excited
to
to
be
able
to
share
more
with
with
you
all
about
the
mayor
council
form
from
her
perspective
on
the
inside
on
may
17th.
I
We
do
have
a
research
project
for
our
new
intern,
that
is
to
compile
all
of
the
proposals
from
last
summer,
the
mayor
council
memos
and
start
to
identify
additional
measures
for
consideration
for
the
discussion
sessions
in
phase
two,
so
we're
trying
to
basically
seed
the
subcommittees
at
this
point
with
a
starting
point
for
ideas
to
consider
both
ideas
that
have
that
have
been
proposed
by
mayor
and
council
last
summer,
things
that
we've
heard
and
I've
mentioned,
that
I've
been
I'm
tracking
that
list
and-
and
I
will
share
that
list
once
we
have
as
part
of
that-
that
research
project
to
compile
the
proposals
from
the
may
have
heard
from
mayor
and
council.
I
But
on
may
17th.
Our
thought
is
that
we're
able
to
finish
the
study
session
phase
and
move
into
the
subcommittee
phase.
So,
with
the
help
of
a
chair
and
and
vice
chair,
we
would
based
on
on
your
input,
form
the
subcommittee
rosters
and
start
to
schedule
those
sometime
in
mid-may
moving
forward.
I
We
also
do
have
a
public
hearing
scheduled
basically
public
comment
on
the
study
session
topics
that
we've
had
to
date.
Potentially
some
distillation
of
the
of
the
governance
summary
chart,
which
I
think
is
starting
to
be
distilled
into
something
that
could
be
more
palatable
or
understandable
by
the
general
public
and
especially,
if
there's
certainly
more
more
budget
to
work
with
community
organizations
to
to
to
help
frame
that
messaging
and
the
questions
that
will
be
really
helpful,
but
we
still
have
not
booked
a
date
for
that
public
hearing.
I
So
I
will
stop
there.
That
was
a
lot
we
wanted
to
spend
some
time
before.
I
We
wrap
up
today,
basically
asking
for
your
feedback
about
this
approach,
to
recommendations
and
subcommittees,
and
also
to
hear
from
you
if
you
have
an
interest
in
any
particular
topic
to
to
join
a
subcommittee
or
any
particular
issues
that
you
would
would
like
to
basically
raise
your
hand
and
sign
up
for
for
some
from
deeper
work,
on
pulling
together
recommendations
and
and
doing
having
some
of
the
discussions
and
research
to
bring
them
to
the
full
commission.
B
Yeah,
please
we
have
the
three
bucketed
areas:
governance,
structure,
timing
of
elections,
accountability,
representation
and
inclusion.
There
may
be
multiple
subcommittees
in
each
of
these
areas
because
of
the
fact
that
you're
all
looking
at
different
issues
or
different
ideas.
So
it's
not
that
we're
only
going
to
have
nine
people
doing
this.
There
could
be
lots
of
different
subcommittees
looking
at
different
issues.
B
We
have
to
organize
it
and
coordinate
it
tonight,
and
the
second
thing
is
tonight:
I'd
like
to
ask
for
a
round
robin
so
that
all
commissioners
have
some
time
to
talk
about
what
you
kind
of
what
your
interests
are
and
where
you
could
see
yourself.
If
you
see
yourself
in
any
place
at
this
point,
but
really
ask
everyone
to
contribute
their
their
individual
thoughts.
Commissioner
marshman
and
commissioner
segal.
I
I
Okay,
yeah:
let's,
let's
just
clarify
to
take
questions
on
on
this
proposed
process
right
now:
let's
try
and
keep
them
short
and
sweet
so
that
we
can
get
to
that
rod
robin
understanding.
We
only
got
45
minutes
left
before
nine
we'll
go
over.
We
need
to,
but
commissioner
siegel
and
then
commissioner.
H
So
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
a
a
date
in
which
we
should
be
discussing
the
other
portion
of
what
we're
charged
with,
which
is
anything
other
than
this.
There
have
been
a
lot
of
other
topics
that
have
come
up
and
meaning
other
topics
that
this
commission
should
potentially
address,
and
at
which
point
should
we
be
making
motions
to
address
those
things?
I
Well,
I
you
know
we're
trying
to.
I
think
that
we've
tried
to
encapsulate
what
you've
been
charged
with,
which
is
these
five
five
items
here,
the
first
of
which
we've
we've
put
together
under
governance
structure
since
the
first
deals
with
mayor
council
and
the
second
is
mayoral
executive
authority
right.
N
I
The
second
is,
is
the
timing,
and
then
the
third
is
additional
measures
and
potential
charter
amendments
as
needed.
That
will
improve
accountability,
representation
and
inclusion.
So
that's
why
we
have
have
bucketed
this
third
right
group
of
subcommittees.
As
that-
and
you
know
I
I,
as
a
facilitator,
do
and
and
hearing
you
know,
some
feedback
from
folks
about
scope
creep
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
focused
on
those
five
specific
recommendations,
understanding
that
this
is
probably
the
most
broad
and
the
most
vague
right
now.
I
H
H
I
I
think
I
mean
for
me:
policing
would
probably
fall
into
this.
This
bucket,
I
mean
accountability
as
far
as
policing
seems
like
it's
probably
the
how
to
categorize
that
you
know
I
we
we
only
have
so
much
time
to
to
bring
speakers
and
not
to
say
that
we're
not
going
to
have
more.
H
I
If
she,
if
she
feels
comfortable
speaking
to
that
I'll,
definitely
I'll
be
talking
to
her
next
week
or
two
weeks
from
now
to
prepare
for
that.
So
I
I'd
be
happy
to
ask
her
if
she
can
speak
to
that
and
likewise
we're
trying
to
to
find
somebody
to
speak
on
the
conversation
in
detroit,
and
so
this
is
where
we're
getting
into
the
you
know
the
the
hopefully
a
practical
conversation
about,
what's
happened
in
other
communities,
but
in
some
I
I
that
this
is
the
other
bucket.
I.
B
Want
to
move
this
on
yeah,
the
commissioner
has
an
interest
in
a
specific
area.
That's
what
the
round
robin's
for
so,
commissioner
seagal.
If
you
said
hey,
I
really
want
to
look
at
policing.
That
would
be
the
thing
that
we
would
say
in
the
round
robin
we're
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
the
full
commission
in
terms
of
where
your
interests
are.
So
as
we
look
at
subcommittees
and
looking
at
that,
there's
there's
no
there's.
No
there's
no
need
for
us
to
limit
any
of
the
discussion
or
any
of
the
other
speakers.
B
We
need
to
focus
on
and,
as
we
move
through,
this
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
repetition.
So
you
can
say
yes
to
the
and
then
just
move.
Is
there
anything
in
addition,
so
that
we
aren't
having
to
repeat
everything
all
all
night?
So
I'm
going
to
ask
the
clerk
to
go
through
the
roll,
we'll
go
alphabetically.
A
Okay,
I'll
go
alphabetically
for
first
name,
so
we'll
start
off
with
barbara
marshman.
Okay,
I
have
an
interest
in
in
government,
governance
and
accountability
and
inclusion,
and
I
think
they're
so
closely
related.
I'm
I'm
not
sure
how
you
separate
them.
I
have
a
quick
question
suggestion
for
speeding
things
up.
I
wonder
if
there
are
many
of
us,
if
any,
who
feel
we
should
not
recommend
moving
the
mayoral
election
to
presidential
year.
A
I
Yeah,
I
think
I
don't
I.
I
appreciate
that
commissioner
martian
we're
not
there
yet
you
know
I.
This
is
we're
trying
to
be
very
thoughtful
about
the
process
by
which
we
have
a
debate
or
constructive
conversation
about
particular
priorities.
So
I
don't
think
that
this
commission
is
prepared
and
has
done
enough
research
to
really
even
do
a
straw
poll
about
anything.
I
believe
me.
I
would
love
an
early
win
on
this,
but
you
know
there's
a
lot
to
unpack
for
all
these
issues
so,
but
thank
you
for
the
suggestion.
A
M
N
I
would
be
interested
in
doing
inclusion
and
also.
H
Unintended
consequences
of
any
actions
that
we
recommend
whether
they
are
in
order
to
protect
the
charter
in
order
to
protect
the
offices-
and
I
don't
know
where
that
falls.
But
I
I
think
it's
a
broad
topic
that
really
can
be
looked
into.
B
Mr
munley,
that's
exactly
what
I'm
saying
is
if
there's
an
area
that
folks
think
that
this
is
what
they'd
like
to
focus
on
that's
great
and
that's
a
great
it's
a
great
idea
in
terms
of
like
that's
a
very
good
focus
that
we
might
look
at
in
all
of
them
right.
That
could
be
the
area
that
you
help
us
with.
So
that's
great
appreciate.
Yes,
next.
M
Thank
you,
so
I'm
interested
in
all
the
areas,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we
have
the
right
committee
structure.
Yet
you
know,
of
course,
we
are
just
receiving
and
processing
this
information
right
now.
M
I
appreciate
that
we
could
have
sub-sub-committees,
but
we
would
be
sending
additional
measures
out
to
a
committee
with
with
no
staff
and
with
only
a
list
of
of
possible
issues,
each
of
which
could
take
an
entire
commission
of
its
own
police
accountability,
housing
campaign
finance,
increasing
the
number
of
districts
ranked
choice,
voting.
Those
are
just
some
of
the
issues
that
we've
heard
so
far,
and
so
I
I
continue
to
think
in
accordance
with
the
memo
that
we
passed
in
january,
that
we
need
to
have
study
of
what
we
mean
by
additional
measures.
M
We
need
to
have
ample
public
input
beyond
what
we've
had
to
this
point,
and
we
need
to
define
that
as
a
commission
and
then
set
ourselves
up
for
success
to
really
work
on
those,
including
making
sure
that
the
subcommittees
are
staffed.
When
we
have
more
resources
so
that
we
can
give
the
quality
of
study
to
highly
complex
issues
like
that.
That
we've
begun
to
give
to
to
issues
like
council
manager
versus
mayor
council
form.
A
A
L
A
Yes,
my
thoughts
might
I
would
like
to
get
involved
in
the
governance
structure
and
the
accountability
piece
of
the
third
bullet.
I
also
think,
as
part
of
a
subwoofer,
the
first
one
we
really
have
to
get
into
what
are
the
leadership
needs
or
concerns
in
the
community
that
require.
A
H
D
Thank
you.
I
am
happy
to
continue
working
on
the
timing
of
elections
issue
and
I
will
just
kind
of
just
piggyback
on
what
was
said
earlier
that
the
last
piece,
the
accountability,
representation,
inclusion,
there's
there's
so
much
overlap
between
that
and
the
other
two.
I
think
you
know.
I
think
we
could
continue
to
talk
about
this,
but
you
know
just,
for
example,
on
timing
of
elections.
D
Of
course,
as
we
heard
tonight,
has
big
implications
for
things
like
political
representation,
accountability,
even
policing
would
fall
into
that
category,
but
also
in
governance
structure
in
terms
of
the
ability
of
the
the
mayor
to
you
know,
hold
a
police
chief,
more
or
less
accountable.
You
know
those
kinds
of
things,
so
I
think
we
we
might.
You
know.
I
think
we
want
to
find
a
way
that
people
who
are
serving
on
commissioner,
serving
on
these
different
ones,
are
able
to
communicate
across
a
different
subcommittee
structure.
So
I
think
that
will
be
important.
B
We're
just
getting
kind
of
our
earliest
struggle
totally.
We
could
have
had
ten
little
parts
here
and
we
would
have
it
still
wouldn't
have
been
enough,
so
we're
just
trying
to
get
folks
to
start
thinking
about
what
would
be
important
again
if
there's
some
area
that
you
think
we
haven't
covered
yet.
But
that's
the
area
that
you
really
believe
should
be
part
of
this
feel
free
to
speak
up,
we'll
we'll
reorganize
and
get
the
structure
right,
but
just
wanting
to
get
everyone's
kind
of
voice
tonight,
thanks.
A
I
think
I
would
like
to
be
well
I'd
like
to
be
involved
in
all
three,
but
probably
would
look
at
the
governance
structure
and.
A
A
Two
next
we
have
jeremy
burus
yeah.
I
like
to
echo
some
of
the
sentiments
shared
by
commissioners
matsumura
and
and
calendar
around
gov
around
the
structures
of
subcommittee
structures,
but
also
just
in
the
sake
of
time,
governance
structure
and
something
around.
You
know,
representation
and.
A
Inclusion
jose
posadas
is
next.
Yes,
I
would
be
most
interested
in
the
third
item:
the
accountability,
representation
inclusion.
L
I'd
be
interested
in
governance
structure.
I
have
a
question.
Does
the
question
of
assuming
the
presidential
sorry,
the
mayor
election
gets
moved
presidential
years
the
question
of
two
years
or
six
years
for
the
for
the
next
mayor?
Is
that
also
under
time
timing,
or
is
that
a
sub
or
a
separate.
I
I
think
it
depends
on
you
know
the
the
the
lift
for
these
subcommittees.
I
I
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
the
notion
here
is
that
these
subcommittees
are
are
putting
putting
some
some
thought
behind
these
ideas
and
bringing
back
to
the
commission.
So
you
all
see
these
ideas
if
they're,
and
I
also
think
that
there's
a
possibility
for
all
of
you
to
recommend
ideas
to
be
considered
for
these
subcommittees.
I
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
an
understanding
of
what
you're
interested
in
that
generally
fits
within
these
three
categories.
To
understand
what
the
list
of
of
these
potential
topics
for
the
subcommittees
are,
so
that
we
can
start
the
work.
So
if
the
timing
of
elections,
you
know
we,
it
doesn't
seem
like
there'd-
be
that
much
many
proposals
or
recommendations
to
consider
you
know
it
made.
I
A
Linda
lizot
is
next
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
would
be
interested
in
the
governance
structure
and
I
already
have
some
ideas
that
I'll
probably
put
in
a
memo
with
regard
to
increased
powers
for
the
mayor.
Also,
the
timing
of
elections
I'd
be
interested
in.
I
want
to
thank
you
lawrence
for
this
outline
and
the
the
the
five
criteria
that
you
listed,
one
of
which
is.
Does
it
really
require
a
charter
change,
because
I
a
lot
of
the
of
the
other
issues
that
people
are
speaking
about.
A
I
think
that
was
the
admonition
that
dr
christensen
said.
Is
we
really
want
it
in
the
charter
or
do
we
want
it
in
a
council
policy
or
somewhere
else,
because
once
you
put
it
in
the
charter,
it's
hard
to
get
in
it's
hard
to
get
out,
whereas
we
have
a
council
policy
manual
that
may
be
more
appropriate
for
some
of
the
other
issues
that
we
want
to
address.
So
I
think
that
answering
that
question
does
it
really
require
a
charter?
A
K
Perfect.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
giving
me
the
time.
I'm
thinking
I
have
a
clarifying
question
for
these
three
subcommittees.
Will
they
be
happening
at
the
same
time,
because
I'm
kind
of
wondering,
if,
like
myself,
I'm
interested
in
all
three
at
this
time,
will
they
be
were
there?
Would
there
be
opportunities
for
commissioners
to
go
to
all
three
different
cycles
of
subcommittees.
B
The
only
challenge
we
have,
I
don't
assume
that
they're
going
to
meet
at
the
same
time,
but
the
challenge
we
have
is
around
browning.
So
we
can't
have
a
quorum
at
any
one
of
these.
So
we're
going
to
have
to
be
careful
that
everybody
can't
go
to
everything,
otherwise
we're
operating
as
a
committee
of
the
whole
once
we
establish
quorum,
so
I
doubt
they're
going
to
be
simultaneous
meetings,
but
we'll
certainly
have
to
make
sure
that
we
can
stay
in
compliance
with
brown
act.
But,
aside
from
that,
commissioners
could
serve
on
different
subcommittees.
I
And
that
includes
quorum
on
communications
brand
act
on
communication,
so
for
all
these.
Well,
all
these
silicones
will
likely
be
scheduling
on
their
own.
But
to
be
a
part
of
that
scheduling,
we
would
need
to
have
the
the
list
of
communication
below
quorum,
so
you
can
see
how
it
adds
up,
but
as
far
as
you
want
to
go
as
much
time
as
you
want
to
spend,
you
know
we
don't
want
to
stop
you.
K
Okay,
perfect
yeah.
For
me,
I
have.
I
have
a
lot
of
interest
in
all
of
them,
both
both
what's
on
on
the
work
plan
and
also
number
five.
K
So
I
one
two
three
at
the
moment
I
know
you'll
probably
need
a
little
bit
more
more
clarity
and-
and
I
think
the
next
time
it's
asked
I'll-
have
that
clarity,
but
to
follow
up
on
what
commissioner
lozada's
brought
up
in
terms
of
the
six
like
filters
or
questions
to
ask
ourselves,
I'm
kind
of
wondering
if
there's
any
known
considerations,
for
example,
number
six
right
must
it
be
in
a
commission
review,
I'm
kind
of
thinking.
K
If
I
have
an
idea
and
I
get
to
number
five
yeah
like
number
five,
I'm
already
thinking
that.
Yes,
it
needs
to
be
a
charter
amendment
or
a
consideration,
but
is
something
more
meant
by
that?
Is
there
some
examples
that
could
be
given
for
us
as
we
formulate
our
ideas
that
we
can
kind
of
run
it
by
those
filters.
I
Thank
you,
and
I
this
is
the
first
pass
at
creating
those
filters.
So
if
there
are
specific
prompts
you
know
I
can.
I
do
intend
on
this
document
to
create
some
examples,
so
we
can
have
a
list
of
running
examples
if
that'd
be
helpful.
I
I
think
specifically
with
this
one,
it's
a
question
of
philosophy
for
for
commissioners
about
whether
or
not
they
want
to
enshrine
something
in
the
charter
or
find
another
way
to
implement
a
potential
solution
to
a
problem
that's
been
identified.
I
I
will
say
that
in
the
final
report
there
will
be
a
list
of
proposed
charter
revisions
that
you
all
agree
to
and
or
a
minority
report
that
some
of
you
disagree
to
agree
to
disagree
to,
but
the
doesn't
mean
the
report
can't
include
other
suggestions
from
you
all,
so
I
think
starting
to
think
about
what
really
ends
up
as
a
charter
revision
recommendation
versus.
What's
another
recommendation
that
you
say
to
commissioner
lozad's
point
this
should
be.
I
This
is
more
likely
better
addressed
in
council
procedures
manual.
So
we'll,
like
everything,
we're
doing
you
know
we'll
get
add
more
clarity
and
fidelity
to
this
over
time,
but
appreciate
other
thoughts,
and
I
see
attorney
vanni
has
a
hand
up
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
that.
You
know
echoing
what
lawrence
said.
Some
of
it
is
philosophy.
If
there
are
any
questions
about,
does
this
need
to
be
in
the
charter.
L
L
Speaking,
yes,
what
is
in
the
charter
and
what
is
not
in
the
charter
is,
is,
can
be
considered
a
philosophy,
philosophical
determination
but
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
that
determination.
K
Okay,
no
perfect!
Thank
you.
I
think
in
these
last
couple
of
sessions,
we've
had
a
lot
of
expert
like
folks
who
have
done
this
before
so.
K
For
me,
I
didn't
know
that
there
was
a
procedural
manual,
but
obviously,
if
you're
a
former
city
council
member,
like
you,
have
that
understanding
and,
for
example,
the
the
professor
christensen
right,
professor
christensen,
said
well,
you
can
always
think
about
staff
and
structure
so
and
then
mayor
ron
gonzalez
said
some
things
to
consider
would
also
include
like
leadership
ability
and
it's
like
there's
just
a
lot
of
different
things
and
filters.
K
I
Well,
absolutely,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
also
think
that
the
by
the
the
very
nature
of
writing
something
down
it,
it
basically
makes
you
ask
questions,
and
then
it
puts
it
in
a
format
that
someone
else
can
review.
So
the
whole
beauty
of
this
process
is
that
more
eyes
are
better
than
one
set
of
eyes
and
more
brains
are
better
than
one.
I
So
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
uncertainty,
unknowns,
and
so
I
would
I
would
definitely
caution
anybody
when
using
this
template
to
to
make
sure
that
the
the
perfect
is
not
the
enemy
of
the
good
meaning
just
start
and
share
it
and
have
a
conversation,
because
someone's
going
to
know
more
than
you
do
and
you're
going
to
know
more
than
someone
else
does
about
something
specific.
So
this
is
a
group
process,
we're
really
crowdsourcing
ideas
and
using
the
best
knowledge
of
everyone
together
and
the
community
to
vet
these
ideas.
I
So
I
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
both
end,
commissioner
borosio
I'll
I'll
strive
to
add
what
I
can
as
far
as
additional
prompts
and
and
resources,
and
I
think,
creating
a
list
of
other
levers
or
mechanisms
for
accountability.
I
K
Perfect,
thank
you
for
saying
that,
because
one
of
one
of
the
things
that
should
be
avoided,
as
you
said,
trying
to
get
it
down
right,
the
first
time
may
not
allow
us
to
really
flush
it
out
right.
So
thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
that.
H
H
Thank
you,
I'm
interested
in
the
government
structure
and
and
within
that,
the
question
of
the
strong
mayor
and
then
I'm
also
interested
in
the
other
one,
the
third
category,
but
I
think
that
probably
those
areas
will
be
covered
in
everything,
so
I'll
just
stick
to
one
the
government
structure
and
the
the
the
role
of
the
mayor,
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
comment.
First
of
all,
this
is
excellent.
It's
a
great
framework
for
us
to
do
our
work
and
of
course
you
know
we
can
always.
H
You
know
improve
it
as
we
as
we
start
using
it.
But
I
want
to
mention
that
we
need
more
discussion
about
the
the
community
outreach
and
the
well
not
well
the
community
outreach,
but
also
the
public
hearings,
and
I
hope
we
can
agendize
that
for
the
for
a
future
meeting,
because
primarily
I
want
to
get
something
started
in
that
area
so
that
we
start
hearing
more
from
from
a
broader
community.
Thank
you.
B
And
commissioner,
I'm
not
I'm
just
about
I've
been
waiting
for
the
council's
actions,
because
that's
going
to
determine
a
lot
of
what
we
do
so
april
27th,
we
should
have
a
much
better
idea
of
what
resources
we
have,
which
then
definitely
affects
our
plan,
but
it
hasn't
left
our
our
mindset
around
making
sure
we
have
community
engagement
and
I
thought
tonight's
engagement
was
increased
and
it
was
great
to
hear
some
really
thoughtful
comments
from
the
public,
which
was
awesome.
B
Thank
you
for
your
for
your
comments,
so,
commissioner,
went
this
definitely
enter
under
our
consideration.
Thank.
H
F
Thank
you.
I
would
definitely
be
interested
in
the
timing.
I
Can
you
repeat
that
last
I
missed
that
christian
robledo.
N
So
my
first
choice
would
be.
H
O
A
Thanks
megan
one
thing
that
comes
to
mind
immediately
for
me:
that's
not
related
to
the
subcommittee
is
more
the
brown
act,
I'm
sure
mark
lawrence
fred.
You
all
will
get
back
at
some
point
about
maybe
the
potential
I
guess
conflicts
that
might
occur
associated
with
that
so
yeah,
just
throwing
it
out
there
again
great.
A
For
me,
I
think
it's
pretty
apparent
now
we're
getting
to
the
point
where
different
camps
there's
different
camps
as
to
what
what
directs
the
conversation
right
so
with
this
particular
discussion,
I'm
more
along
the
camp
that,
once
a
framework
is
established
everything
else,
kind
of
sorts
itself
out
and
accordingly,
I
guess.
For
those
reasons,
my
preferences
would
be
the
governance
structure
and
the
timing
of
elections
as
to
subcommittee
participation.
A
N
B
H
A
Accountability-
that
was
the
last
commissioner
fred
if
you'd
like
to
speak.
B
Thank
you
so
much
okay,
we
are.
This
is
really
helpful
and
I
know
this
is
just
the
beginning
of
our
conversation.
Mark
you
have
your
hand
up.
Did
you
want
to
say
something.
B
I
want
to
make
sure
you
included
so
appreciate
your
thoughts
and
I
don't
think
these
are
exclusive
categories,
so
listening
tonight
will
help
us
to
start
to
formulate
what
these
committees
could
look
like.
Certainly,
if
you're
looking
at
governance,
accountability
has
to
be
part
of
that
discussion
if
you're
looking
at
representation,
certainly
that's
going
to
be
in
the
district,
the
timing
of
elections,
so
yes,
they're,
going
to
all
be
interactive.
B
What
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
figure
out
is
what
are
the
different
areas
of
recommendations
so
that
you
know,
as
I
say,
a
number
of
subcommittees
might
be
in
these
different
areas.
If
these
are
the
wrong
areas,
we'll
make
those
adjustments,
but
I
really
wanted
to
hear
from
everyone
just
in
terms
of
where
you
are
right
now
and
kind
of
what
we
do
need
to
do.
Next,
we
do
have
two,
I
think,
very
important,
study
sessions
to
go
both
in
the
san
diego
model
of
the
transition
to
a
strong
mayor.
B
I
think
that
will
help
us
to
kind
of
think
that
through
and
the
detroit
piece
is
also
important
in
the
sense
that
I
think
it
has
the
strongest
charter
review
commission
that
looked
at
the
issues
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
diversity
in
the
detroit
model.
So
I
I'm
not
saying
that
the
study
sessions
are
over,
so
I
really
want
to
make
sure
we're.
We
still
have
some
work
to
do
in
these
different
areas.
Commissioners
have
asked
for
the
office
of
our
own
office
of
cultural
relations.
I'm
sorry,
cultural.
B
I
don't
know
the
correct
title:
racial
equity
of
racial
equity
in
this
in
our
city.
So
that's
why
they're
coming
and
if
you
have
specific
questions,
it'd
be
helpful
if
you
send
those
to
lawrence,
so
they
can
address
them,
but
they
are
coming
directly
as
a
request
to
the
commission
in
terms
of
what
the
city's
position
in
the
city's
office
is
looking
at
in
their
work
that
they're
doing
as
they
start
this
new
office.
B
So
there's
a
lot
more
to
come
in
that
area
and
I
want
to
make
sure
folks
remember
that
there's
still
a
lot
more
discussion
to
have
before
we
get
into
this
we're
trying
to
do
this
now,
so
that
we
can
start
organizing
as
we
continue
to
study
and
then
move
into
getting
some
work
created
so
that
the
commission
has
more
to
talk
through
so
appreciate
your
your
thoughtfulness
tonight
and
I'm
going
to
ask
for
any
public
comment.
We.
B
They
probably
will,
but
I'm
not
worried
about
that
in
the
sense
that
I'm
going
to
break
up
those
subcommittees
into
some
smaller
groupings,
to
see
we'll
work
on
that.
So
we
know
what
quorum
issues
are
we're
also
going
to
meet
we'll
when
we
do
the
division
into
subcommittees,
we'll
be
very
careful
to
delineate
what
communication
looks
like
so
that
we
don't
violate
brown
act,
not
by
the
forum
of
a
meeting
but
the
quorum
of
conversation
and
having
a
serial
meeting
so
I'll,
give
really
specific
directions
from
the
city
attorney
on
that.
B
So
we'll
we'll
take
care
of
the
core
mission
for
you
and
we'll
give
you
strict
direction
around
communication
so
that
we
make
sure
that
we
are
as
transparent
as
we
can
be,
as
as
a
commission
as
well
as
efficiently
get
work
done.
So
I
appreciate
that
we
cannot.
I
The
other
thing
I'll
add
is
that,
as
mentioned,
you
know
we
really
do
want
to
use
the
proposals
that
came
out
of
mayor
and
council
from
last
summer,
as
well
as
the
topics
that
you
have
all
raised.
So
I'm
gonna
do
my
best
to
get
that
list
together
before
our
next
meeting,
so
that
we
can
use
that
to
inform
further
breaking
out
subcommittees
into
a
size
that
does
not.
You
know,
affect
brown
act
or
even
get
close
to
brown
acts.
I
You
know,
while
also
being
some
logical
groupings
that
allows
for
a
conversation
that
reflects
the
overlap
of
the
categories
as
best
as
we
can
recognizing
that
dividing
things
into
parts
conflicts
with
the
the
ability
to
be
whole,
so
there's
a
general
tension
that
we're
creating
by
the
very
nature
of
creating
subcommittees,
but
we'll
do
our
best
to
to
throw
the
needle
there.
Thank
you,
chair.
B
All
right,
let's
go
to
the
public
for
comment
on
this
item.
First
and
then
we
have
public
comment
on
items
not
on
the
agenda
for
speaker.
L
Hi
commissioners,
so
two
areas
that
I
would
like
to
add
is
section
x,
which
is
commissions
as
a
whole
and
from
all
of
you
participating
right
now
you
can
see
that
it's
not
very
inclusive.
It's
not
very
equitable,
we're
not
really
reaching
the
community
and
so
how
commissions
function
as
a
whole.
I
think
should
be
looked
at,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
systemic
change,
you
know
this
is
an
area
that
we
can
get
into
the
details
and
really
kind
of
figure
out.
How
do
we
get
more
people
in?
How
do
we
engage
them?
L
That's
not
as
important,
and
so
I'd
really
like
to
be
mindful
that
you
know
everybody
here
at
the
very
first
meeting
when
you
did
a
round
robin
and
introduce
yourself
and
why
you're
serving
everybody
spoke
on
equity
inclusion,
and
so
I
think
that
is
really
important,
that
we
don't
other
it
and
that
we
really
prioritize
it.
Thank
you.
E
Hi
to
begin
it's
my
guess
that
the
minutes
process
that
was
approved
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting-
if
I
want
to
talk
about
that
minutes
in
the
future,
I
can
talk
about
it
at
this
time
at
old
business
or
if
the
letters
from
the
public
that
is
in
the
beginning
of
the
agenda
with
that
said,
just
to
kind
of
go
over
what
you're
talking
about
tonight.
E
It
really
sounds
like
you're
working
on
you
know
the
the
that
the
mayor,
because
of
the
city
charter,
simply
doesn't
have
much
guidelines
of
exactly
what
his
role
is,
and
it's
going
to
be
your
jobs
to
figure
that
out
a
bit
in
the
coming
weeks
and
the
strong
you're
going
to
about
start
to
really
go
into
the
strong
mayor
stuff
for
the
next
month
or
two.
It
sounds
like
it
sounds
like
other
people
are
saying
tonight.
E
It's
simply
a
matter
that
the
chartered
there's
a
few
guidelines
that
the
mayor
needs
to
have
and
direction
of
what
sort
of
ways
he
can
better
manage.
You
know
legally,
basically,
he
he
he
he's
managing
right
now
in
kind
of
an
arbitrary
framework
work.
On
those
terms.
That's
the
refinement
and
subtlety
that
that
addresses
the
city
council
and
the
community.
E
That's
my
key
work
that
I
want
to
work
on
and
focus
on
committee
meetings,
subcommittee
meetings
and
that
you
address
the
ideas
of
what
I
tried
to
say
before
community
and
council.
That's
the
way
I
want
to
talk
about
the
council
city
manager
process,
how
that
all
comes
back
to
strong
mayor
ideas
to
back
to
the
city
council.
How
do
they
vote
on
the
subject
matter?
How
can
they
vote
on
on
their
ideas?
I
think
that's
an
important
concept.
E
B
E
H
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and,
very
briefly,
this
is
for
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
you
know
going
into.
You
know
separate
discussions
about
the
the
timing
of
the
election
and
there's
one
thing
I
want
to
come
in
there's.
F
One
thing
I
want
to
communicate
to
you
is
that
if
you
go
for
a
six-year
term,
you're
basically
going
to
be
delaying
addressing
the
problem
that
you're
trying
to
address,
which
apparently
some
kind
of
apparent
equity
issue
by
another
six
years,
and
not
only
not
only
that
you're
actually
going
to
be
electing
somebody
for
the
next
six
years.
That
will
not
I'm
getting
some
kind
of
background
here.
Could
somebody
please
knew
themselves
the
the
issue?
F
B
Thank
you
appreciate
that
our
next
item
is
anyone
in
the
public
wishing
to
address
this
on
an
issue.
That's
not
on
our
agenda
tonight.
First
speaker.
E
Hi
blair
beekman
thanks
a
lot
for
the
meeting
and
the
process
you
know
to
begin.
I
I
hope
you
can
work
on
language
interpretation
issues.
I
think
it's
just
an
issue
to
really
consider
we
can
have
zoom
meetings.
I
feel
where
you
can
ask
either
you
know
city,
government
or
people
at
san
jose
state
to
do
the
job
for
like
a
hundred
bucks
an
hour
and
and
asked
union
representatives
to
ask
to
work
for
that
ideas,
and
please
ask
someone
to
mute
themselves
at
this
time.
E
While
I'm
speaking,
you
know,
there's
a
there's.
This
english
only
vex
that
we
have
on
us
that
you
know
I
guess,
since
the
mid
80s,
we
got
to
learn
to
talk
our
way
through
that,
and
I
think
we
are
just
be
aware
of
that
concept
and
that
it's
so
much
more
important
to
work
towards
everybody
having
a
fair
shot
and
it
gives
everybody
opportunity.
Mental
health-
if
you
have
a
more
inclusive
language
for
all
you
know,
language
interpretation
can
be
open
to
everyone.
E
That's
an
important
concept
to
learn,
there's
democratic
principles
that
have
to
be
part
of
the
accountability
bucket
of
policing
equity.
You
know
that
that
you
need
to
work
on.
Democracy
is
really
going
to
be
coming
around
in
by
2025
individual
forms
of
democracy,
not
a
democracy
as
a
republic,
but
as
the
as
the
individual,
there's
really
important
work
happening
that
I
hope
you
learn
to
check
out
and
to
also
offer
it's
quite
possible.
We
may
be
having
a
large
earthquake.
You
know
in
the
next
five
years.
E
I
don't
know
if
it's
accurate,
but
but
confer
with
each
other
with
brown
act.
Ideas
is,
is
that
possible
and
how
will
that
be
affecting
your
decisions
at
this
time?
I
feel
in
the
next
five
years
after
2025.
E
B
B
N
Hi,
I'm
cynthia
in
public
back
hello,
council
humans,
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
here
again.
I
wanted
to
address
something
that
hasn't
been
covered.
It's
been
slightly
covered,
but
it's
just
homelessness
in
san
jose.
We
are
one
of
the
largest
cities
in
california.
N
N
The
encampments
of
that
is
just
throwing
away
their
stuff,
but
it's
not
giving
them
any
resources,
for
you
know
either
permanent
or
temporary
resettlement
any
like
food
or
hygiene
products
right
things
that
they
actually
need
to
keep
themselves
safe
and
to
be
able
to
live
in
this
world
as
people
with
dignity
so,
rather
than
you
know,
try
to
attack
the
problem
like
sorry,
rather
than
try
to
attack
the
symptoms.
N
I
actually
urge
a
committee
to
like
find
ways
of
like
tackling
income
and
equity,
as
well
as
find
new
ways
to
reduce
our
homelessness
right,
because
at
the
root
of
this
is
you
know,
displacement.
It
is
high
housing
costs,
it
is
low
wages.
This
is
what
causes
it
and
also
lack
of
mental
health
resources.
N
This
also
ties
in
to
defunding
the
police
potentially,
but
how
can
we,
as
a
city,
come
together
to
take
care
of
those
that
are
the
most
vulnerable
and
I
think
that's
something
that
is
very
pertinent
to
a
lot
of
the
conversations
today.
That's
something
to
center,
in
a
lot
of
our
conversations
regarding
whether
we
are
restructuring
our
government
or
whether
we're
coming
up
with
a
new
constitution
or
coming
up
with
new
subcommittees.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioners,
for
being
here
with
us
tonight,
I'm
going
to
adjourn
us
to
our
next
meeting
of
the
charter
review
commission,
which
is
may
3rd
and
appreciate
all
your
thoughtful
comments
tonight
and
have
a
good
week
and
we'll
see
you
in
two
weeks.
Thank
you.