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City of San José, California
City Council Afternoon Session of March 30, 2021
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A
A
A
B
A
Here,
thank
you
great
thanks.
Everybody.
Let's
stand
if
you're
able
to
join
us
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
A
Thank
you.
Today's
invocation
will
be
offered
by
barbara
medina
aranda
from
the
chavez.
Family
vision
and
council
member
pros
will
tell
us
more
welcome
barbara.
E
Thank
you
very
much
mayor,
and
it
is
my
pleasure
to
be
introducing
barbara
medina
aranda
from
the
chavez
family
vision.
She
was
born
and
raised
in
san
jose
to
a
family
that
came
from
the
fields
of
california
and
is
the
niece
of
the
late
labor
and
civil
rights
leader
cesari
chavez.
She
grew
up:
learning
the
family
values
of
service
to
others,
community
service
and
social
justice
from
her
parents,
joe
and
rita
medina,
along
with
her
uncle
as
a
young
teenager.
E
She
participated
in
the
march
to
sacramento
in
1966,
and
it
was
there
that
she
discovered
what
an
important
person
her
uncle
was
and
what
a
tremendous
job
he
had
in
front
of
him
in
1998,
barbara
and
her
brother
rudy
medina,
established
the
chavez
family
vision
to
keep
the
legacy
of
cesar
e
chavez
alive
in
our
community,
and
today
barbara
will
be
reciting.
The
farm
workers
prayer
by
cesari.
G
F
A
Thank
you,
barbara
and
thank
you
councilman
peralta,
and
thank
you
to
the
very
good
people
of
the
chavez,
family
vision
for
all
they
do
for
our
community.
I
know
we
would
typically
be
celebrating
together
in
a
large
community
breakfast
and
raising
money
for
scholarships
as
they
do
every
year
and
it's
it's
a
wonderful
family
or
a
community
gathering
and
I'm
I
I
regret
that
we're
not
together
this
year,
but
we're
certainly
together
in
spirit
all
right,
we're
on
to
orders
of
the
day.
H
A
I
Soto,
yes,
good
afternoon,
council,
that
was
a
that
was
a
wise
choice
to
defer
that
item
with
respect
to
the
historical
landmark
designation.
I
It
also
gives
us
more
time
to
really
prepare
and
to
organize
around
that
particular
issue,
because,
if
we're
going
to
get,
if
we're
going
to
start
talking
about
equity-
and
I
don't
mean-
I
don't
mean
equity
by
definition,
what
I
mean
is
the
reasons
that
support
the
the
reasons
why
we
need
equity
in
the
first
place
is
because
of
the
inequities
that
we
have
experienced
as
a
city
and
those
inequities
were
institutionalized,
and
that's
the
part
that
that
I
think
we're
missing
here
is
that
that
is
what
institutionalized
racism
looks
like.
I
But
what
we
have
done
is
we
have
deluded
ourselves
and
we
just
call
it
the
law,
that's
what
it
is.
It's
just
obeying
the
law,
and
these
are
the
rules,
and
this
is
what
has
happened
time
immemorial,
and
so
you
know
who
am
I
to
change
it?
Well,
we're
in
the
age
of
equity
and
confronting
these
historical,
social,
economic
and
political
injustices.
I
You
see
because
the
chicanos
were
not
participating
in
the
democratic
process
to
afford
a
lot
of
the
laws
that
are
being
applied
to
the
chicanos
today.
This
is
one
of
them,
and
so
they
weren't
they
were
excluded
from
democracy,
deprived
of
due
process
of
law
due
process
and
equal
protection
under
the
law.
I
So
you
can't
have
a
democratic
policy
instituted
by
maintaining
a
redline
system,
but
yet
use
that
same
system
in
order
to
sanitize
and
dilute
what
has
happened
historically
here.
So
thank
you
for
giving
us
more
time
to
prepare.
A
Thank
you
all
right
on
the
motion.
Let's
vote.
C
B
A
All
right,
thank
you,
we're
on
now
to
the
closed
session
report
norm.
A
Thanks
mom,
under
the
consent
calendar
there
are
several
items
the
council
would
like
to
pull
off.
Let
me
read
those
and
then
ask
if
there
are
any
others,
I'm
sorry
counselor
sparsely
you
had
your
hand
up,
I'm
assuming.
Okay,
I
know
you
wanted
to
pull
item
2.12
and
2.20.
2.12
is
the
amendments.
The
city
generated
two
services
agreement.
2.20
is
the
amendment
to
the
agreement
with
widow,
brian.
A
Okay,
councilmember,
probably
like
the
poll
item
2.14,
which
is
approval
of
cesar
chavez
day.
Councilmember
davis
would
like
to
pull
2.15
approval
of
transgender
day
visibility.
A
A
C
Thanks
mayor,
I
just
I
wanted
to
pull
it
because
I
noticed
we
had
made
some
changes
in
how
we
contract
with
tow
companies,
and
I
wanted
to
ask
a
staff.
I
can't
see
the
tic-tac-toe.
Is
there,
someone
from
d.o.t
here.
C
Because
we
we
did
reach
out
ahead
of
time,
okay,
so
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
someone
on
dot
because,
like
I
said,
we
did
reach
out
ahead
of
time,
but.
C
So
I
my
question
is
in
terms
of
the
toe
late,
toes
and
refusals.
I
I
just
wanted
to
say.
First
off
there
was
some
good
news
and
that
I
saw
that
the
the
late
toes
and
refusals
went
way
down
negligible
and
my
question
was:
does
those
relate
more
to
the
pandemic
or
are
those
in
response
to
the
changes
in
our
contracts?.
C
So
so,
yes,
council,
member,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
we
have
been
seeing
those
trending
downward.
They
actually
were
trending
in
that
direction
prior
to
covid,
so
we
we
see
it
more
as
just
as
a
result
of
the
changes
we've
implemented
since
the
audit
versus
it
being
a
covid
related
type
of
thing.
There's
been
a
lot
of
effort
made
on
both
the
city
and
the
operators
to
work
together
to
try
and
improve
those
those
numbers.
So
that
would
be
our
our
assessment
of
it.
C
So
that's
fantastic
and
I
and
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
because
and
and
just
you
know
to
to
let
the
tow
truck
operators
know
that
I
hope
that
that
continues.
You
know
once
things
as
things
open
up,
because
that's
exactly
what
the
city
intended
to
do
in
making
these
changes
and-
and
I
hope
it
stays
that
way-
that
we
don't
have
those
refusals
and
it
shows
that
by
working
together
we're
able
to
actually
get
those
contracted
services
done.
So
so
that's
it
for
me
and
I'm
happy
to
to
move
this
item
mayor.
A
Okay,
well,
let's
come
back,
you
want
to
do
them
all
together,
we'll
move
them
all
together.
Okay,.
C
A
It
good
item
2.14,
is
the
approval
of
cesar
chavez
day.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
public
can
follow
along
here.
Councilmember
perales.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
mayor
and,
as
you
pointed
out,
not
only
the
breakfast,
but
traditionally
right
all
of
our
flag.
Raisings
we're
not
we're
not
doing
those
as
normal.
The
flag
will
be
up,
and
it
is
an
honor
to
continue
to
to
recognize
and
carry
on
this
tradition
here.
E
So
cesar
e
chavez
was
a
major
advocate
of
social
justice,
as
we
know
for
many
farm
workers
and
an
inspiration
to
other
organizations
to
fight
for
fair
wages
and
better
living
conditions
for
all.
He
was
inspired
by
the
non-violence
methods
of
mahatma
gandhi
and
dr
martin
luther
king
jr.
He
demonstrated
his
commitment
to
non-violence
with
his
25-day
fast
back
in
1968
and
today,
the
cesar
chavez.
Family
vision
continues
to
commemorate
the
life
of
cesari
chavez
and
his
his
many
years
of
contributions
to
civil
service
to
continue
in
the
celebration
of
his
legacy.
E
It
is
my
pleasure
to
present
a
proclamation
to
the
chavez.
Family
vision,
recognizing
march
31st,
as
cesar
chavez
day
here
in
the
city
of
san
jose
cesar
chavez
day,
will
aim
to
remember
all
the
contributions
that
he
led
in
an
effort
to
obtain
better
working
conditions
and
offer
support
to
the
thousands
of
farm
workers
who
tirelessly
labored
in
the
fields
and
continue
to
do
so
to
further
recognize
cesar
chavez's
day.
E
My
office
will
be
lighting
up
the
city
hall
tower
and
the
rotunda
in
red,
starting
on
the
30th
and
ending
on
march,
or
excuse
me
ending
on
april
5th,
and
I
invite
anyone
to
check
out
the
lighting
starting
this
evening
when
the
sun
goes
down,
and
at
this
time
I
would
also
like
to
invite
a
speaker
of
the
public.
We
have
gabrielle
medina
the
vice
president
of
the
chalmers
family
vision.
If
she
could
say
a
few
words,
man.
A
B
It's
actually
gabriel
medina,
that's
okay,
but
on
behalf
of
the
chavez,
family
vision,
I
would
like
to
thank
council
memo,
council,
member
perales
and
mayor
le
cardo
and
all
the
rest
of
the
council.
It
really
does
you
know,
fill
my
heart
with
joy
when
I
see
all
the
council
members
with
their
cesar
chavez
day.
Icons
in
the
background
does
give
me
a
great
sense
of
pride.
B
B
B
So
I
also
want
to
point
out
the
fact
that
what
very
few
people
realize
is
that
my
uncle
sacrificed
a
whole
lot
of
his
life
a
whole
lot
of
his
aspects
of
his
life
and
although
he
would
was
not
huge
about
being
praised
himself,
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
he
did
make
these
sacrifices
and
it's
important
for
me
to
point
these
out.
You
know
he
worked
so
hard
and
so
tirelessly
that
he
missed
out
on
family
functions.
B
You
know
he
really
did
sacrifice
himself
to
the
max
for
his
cause,
and
I
just
have
to
say
that
I'm
really
appreciative
of
the
city
for
recognizing
him
and
having
this
proclamation,
I
think
it's
a
great
honor
going
forward.
I'm
I'm
happy
to
step
in
this
role.
B
I
need
to
tell
you
and
everyone
this
is:
I'm
the
third
generation
now
chavez
to
step
into
this
role
and
stepping
in
the
role
with
the
chavez,
family
vision
and
we're
going
to
continue
on
to
build
our
community
to
help
a
lot
of
it's
based
on
students
in
supplying
scholarships
for
students,
and
we
will
continue
with
this
goal
and
with
our
mission
and
with
the
cause.
B
We
started
this
almost
25
years
ago,
and
you
know
my
my
my
family
members
started
some
that
are
no
longer
with
us.
So
excuse
me,
I'm
getting
a
little
emotional
here,
but
you
know
with
my
my
theolony
and
my
my
grandmother,
rita
chavez
medina,
who
is
95
years
old
and
still
with
it,
still
a
board
member
still
going
strong.
B
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
to
them.
You
know
it's
awesome
that
they
started
this.
They
started
this
to
keep
the
family
legacy
alive
and
it's
thriving
and
I'm
happy
to
be
part
of
it.
I'm
happy
to
be
the
next
generation
to
take
over
this
and
lead
it
to
well
into
into
the
future.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Everyone.
A
Thank
you,
gabe,
and
please
give
hugs
and
lug
from
the
entire
council
to
your
grandmother.
I
know
I
think,
all
of
us,
if
not
many
of
us,
have
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
rita
and
she's
a
tremendous
champion
for
social
justice
in
our
community,
and
we
appreciate
you
and
your
entire
family
keeping
the
vision
alive
here
in
our
community
and
throughout
the
state.
Councilman
falls.
Did
you
want
to
say
anything
further.
A
L
Hi,
thanks
for
this
item,
is
there
a
way
that
there
can
be
public
comment
for
the
previous
item
that
counselor
person
esparza
talked
about
yeah.
L
Thank
you
to
quickly.
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
offer.
This
is
actually
a
very
nice
time
of
year.
For
me,
the
last
few
days
of
march
has
become
kind
of
just
a
nice
little
pocket
in
space
for
myself,
and
it
does
something
really
nice
compared
to
how
the
rest
of
my
march
usually
goes
in
my
life,
and
so
you
know
thanks
for
having
this
this
observation
day,
and
you
know
we're
we're
thinking
about
food
issues
at
this
time
and
and
the
whole
cycle
of
how
food
works.
L
It's
it's
important
to
consider
and
that's
a
lot
because
of
the
efforts
of
cesar
chavez,
and
it
makes
our
work
at
this
time
easier
and
more
understandable.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
I
want
to
acknowledge-
and
thank
gabriel
for
for
bringing
the
presentation
today
and
also
to
congratulate
you
for
having
the
honor
of
ushering
in
this
legacy
into
the
new
generation.
I'm
a
fifth
generation
san
juanero,
my
mother
and
father,
grew
up
in
sasi
puedes.
I
Actually,
my
father
grew
up
in
a
tent
on
what
is
now
the
grounds
of
guadalupe
church,
which
is
right
where
mcdonnell
hall
is
and
where
cesar
chavez
strategized
what
he
ultimately
took
to
delano
and
to
also
acknowledge
the
fact
that
he
there
was
a
lot
of
violence
going
on
with
the
with
the
protesters,
and
there
was
anger
and
frustration
going
on
with
the
mexican
community
with
regard
to
what
was
happening
on
the
picket
lines,
and
so,
rather
than
give
indulgence
and
free
reign
to
people's
anger
and
hostility
and
rage
over
the
injustices
that
they
were
being
subjected
to.
I
He
subjected
himself
his
own
body
in
order
to
cleanse
that
element
from
his
movement,
and
he
was
able
to
do
that
successfully
honorably
and
he
broke
that
fast
with
robert
f
kennedy
and
the
power
of
that
fast,
and
that
symbol
is
what
put
dolores
huerta.
At
the
right
hand
of
robert
f
kennedy
when
he
accepted
the
presidential
nomination
for
the
democratic
party
in
l.a
in
june
of
1968,
this
is
the
power
in
the
legacy
that
comes
from
san
jose.
That
comes
from
those
roots,
I'm
from
those
roots.
I
I
can
lay
claim
to
those
roots,
I'm
connected
to
that,
and
I'm
a
proud
chicano
and
a
proud
adhering
student
of
what
it
is
that
see.
Caesar
child
has
stood
for.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
Let's
come
back
now
to
item
2.15,
which
is
approval
of
transgender
day
of
visibility,
councilmember
davis.
G
Thank
you,
there's
a
many
backgrounds
today,
the
transgender
day
of
visibility
is
commemorated
on
march
31st,
which
also
happens
to
be
the
same
day
as
cesar
chavez.
Day
and
transgender
day
of
visibility
is
a
day
to
celebrate
transgender
and
non-binary
individuals
and
to
raise
awareness
about
the
challenges
this
community
continues
to
face
transgender
individuals.
Many
of
us
know
this
already
face
discrimination
and
violence
and
in
fact,
transgender
women
are
disproportionately
victims
of
murder,
actually
homicide
as
allies.
We
can
inform
ourselves
on
the
proper
terminology
and
use
of
pronouns.
G
I
think
a
lot
of
us
already
know
this.
My
pronouns
are
she
and
her.
For
example,
I
invite
you
all
to
learn
about
the
transgender
and
non-binary
community
by
reading
about
transgender
trailblazers
like
sylvia
rivera
and
marcia
johnson,
who
were
founding
members
of
star,
that's
a
group
dedicated
to
helping
homeless,
transgender
youth
and
one
of
the
first
political
organizations
for
transgender
rights.
G
I
also
welcome
you,
as
many
of
you
know,
about
the
billy
de
frank
center.
It's
the
billy
de
frank
lgbtq
plus
community
center,
and
they
have
a
website
they're,
also
in
district
6
on
the
alameda
and
they
host
a
variety
of
online
group
meetings.
Right
now,
during
covet
and
usually
in
person
for
the
transgender
and
non-binary
community,
their
website
is
defrankcenter.org
as
a
city.
G
Of
course,
we
strive
to
give
everyone
a
safe
space
to
share
their
story
and
live
openly
and
apologet
unapologetically,
and
I
think
it's
particularly
important
these
days
with
escalating
hate
crimes
in
the
asian
american
pacific,
islander
community,
to
recognize
that
we
have
a
lot
of
intersectionality
and
just
to,
I
think,
it's
effectively
important
right
now
to
recognize
the
transgender
date
of
visibility.
G
I
know
that
council
member
foley
would
also
like
to
speak
on
this
item
mayor
and
I
think
there
may
be
some
members
of
the
public
as
well.
I
thought
I
saw
gabrielle
and
talavic
in
the
in
the
attendee
list.
D
D
It
is
really
important
that
we
shed
a
light
on
a
transgender
members
of
the
transgender
population
in
our
community
and
that
we
celebrate
them
as
along
with
our
non-binary
residents
as
well.
On
saturday,
I
wanted
to
bring
to
your
attention
at
the
ability
to
frank
well
virtually
actually
but
hosted
by
billy
defrank.
There
will
be
a
series
of
workshops
on
transgender
issues
and
I
will
be
hosting
one
on
friends
and
families
and
allies
and
how
we
can
support
and
love
the
members
of
our
transgender
community.
So
I
hope
you
will
join
us.
D
A
Have
all
right,
thank
you,
councilmember
gabriella,
you
still
with
us.
D
Yes,
I
am
thank
you
both
councilmember
davis
and
foley.
I
call
you
the
willow
glenn
twins,
but
you
extend
over
to
the
belly
to
frank
center.
Councilmember
davis
actually
sponsored
our
event
in
the
rotunda.
D
It
seems
like
a
million
years
ago
now,
and
I
thank
you
for
your
ongoing
support.
We
have
so
many
workshops
and
I
really
hope
that
you
can
attend
between
12
and
3
o'clock.
There
are
many
workshops
and
they
will
not
be
recorded
because
many
of
the
transgender
folks
do
not
feel
safe,
being
recorded
and
being
online
forever.
D
So
those
those
videos
are
on
our
website,
which
is
defrank.org
and
anyway
I
identify
as
genderqueer
non-binary
myself
and
have
always
felt
that
way.
Only
the
language
was
never
there
to
describe
it,
and
I
also
know
that
many
transgender
folks
who
are
in
the
older
generation
already
as
a
child
knew
that
they
were
transgender
and
back.
Then
there
was
no
language.
D
So
I
want
to
actually
do
a
big
shout
out
to
the
younger
generation
who
is
giving
us
language
for
so
many
things,
not
just
about
our
gender
identities,
but
many
other
justice
issues,
and
so
I
am
glad
that
san
jose
is
fully
alive
with
young
people
expressing
themselves,
and
I
thank
city
council
for
acknowledging
the
transgender
non-binary
community.
A
Thank
you
gabrielle,
and
thank
you
for
all
your
work
and
advocacy
all
right.
Are
there
any
other
council
members
who'd
like
to
make
any
comments?
Any
members
of
the
public
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item.
A
Okay,
we'll
move
forward
then
also
pulled
from
the
consent.
Calendar
was
item
2.16,
which
is
council
member
foley.
This
is
the
retroactive
approval
of
the
200th
anniversary
of
greek
independence.
D
D
That
greeks
would
finally
declare
independence
but
greeks,
but
greece
was
not
given
autonomy
and
recognized
as
an
independent
state
until
1832
for
the
next
hundred
years,
greece
slowly
regained
all
of
its
territory
to
what
the
area
is
known.
Today.
The
city
of
san
jose
has
a
strong
greek
community
with
a
rich
history.
They
add
vibrancy
to
our
diverse
multicultural
city
and
strengthen
what
it
means
to
be
a
san
jose.
D
It
was
my
honor
to
proclaim
the
200th
anniversary
of
greek
independence
day
and
my
privilege
to
demonstrate
to
the
greek
community
that
san
jose
values
their
history
and
traditions,
oppa
with
that
I'd
like
to
thank
jackie,
r,
guyers,
treasurer
of
the
daughters
of
penelope,
daphne
number
29
chapter
bill
christie
from
the
american
hellenic
educational,
progressive
association,
chap
silicon
valley,
chapter
president
and
recognize
reverend
father,
demosthenes
perascovedes
and
reverend
father
nabosha
pontick
of
the
saint
nicholas
greek
orthodox
church.
To
provide
brief
remarks.
A
You
councilmember,
let's
see
if
I
think
father
is
with
us,
welcome
sir.
M
Hello,
hello,
everyone.
I
am
father,
demos,
tennis,
paraska
vadis,
the
pastor
of
the
greek
american
community
in
san
jose
among
most
cherished
and
highly
esteemed
contributions
of
grace
to
mankind
are
the
ideals
of
freedom
and
democracy,
because
these
ideals
have
played
the
central
role
in
the
history
of
our
nation.
M
M
By
joining
in
the
independence
the
cloud
celebration
of
the
greek
people,
we
pay
special
tribute
to
the
democratic
values
that
we
in
the
united
states
are
committed
to
defend
as
the
pastor
of
our
greek
american
community
in
san
jose.
I
express
my
gratitude
to
our
mayor,
sam
lee
cardon,
the
council
member
palm
falling
and
all
of
you
for
representing
and
presenting
the
proclamation
and
thus
honoring
with
us,
the
bicentennial
anniversary
of
greek
independence.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Father
must
denise
it's
great
to
hear
from
you
councilmember
foley.
A
Okay,
great
thank
you,
and
we
do
hope
that
saint
nix
will
be
able
to
bring
its
great
festival
back
to
life
soon
when
it
is
safe
to
do
so.
Okay,
we'll
move
on
then,
finally,
to
I'm
sorry,
two
more
items:
2.17
is
the
approval
of
the
19th
annual
march
for
meals
month
cast
member
foley.
D
D
D
A
C
I
actually
just
wanted
to
comment
on
this
one
before
going
to
2.20.
I
I
believe
that
they
are
also
still
looking
for
volunteers
as
well
as
I'm
not
sure
if
they
have
jobs
available
right
now
as
well.
But
there's
an
enormous
need
and
meals
on
wheels
is
an
amazing
program
for
folks
that
are
interested
in
volunteering
or
helping
during
the
pandemic.
A
Yes,
it
is
so
please
do
look
up
meals
for
wheels
online
if
you'd
like
to
volunteer
or
go
to
siliconvalleystrong.org,
and
we
will
happily
direct
you
to
where
you
can
best
direct
your
energies,
blair,
beekman.
L
Hi
rob
beekman
here.
Thank
you
for
taking
public
comment
on
this
item.
You
know
in
this
time
of
cobid
the
work
of
angel,
rios
and
dolan
beckel,
and
I
guess
kep
harkness
among
others.
L
You
know
they've
been
working
really
hard
to
develop
good
food
distribution
programs
in
san
jose,
and
you
know,
based
on
the
you
know,
this
being
sivar
cesar
chavez
week,
observance
week,
you
know
it
the
fact
that
we're
re-learning
how
to
basically
offer
good
health
services
and
human
rights
practices
to
how
we
grow
our
food
in
the
central
valley
and
then
how
that
food
is
then
transported
to
major
cities
and
then
from
major
cities.
It's
distributed
to
meals,
meals
on
wheels
and
groups.
You
know
like
that,
so
they
can
offer
healthy
good
food
to
people.
L
That's
that's
an
important
cycle,
that's
an
important
concept
that
I've
been
trying
to
learn
and
understand,
and
it's
been
a
it's
been
a
conundrum
with
the
kobit
that
it
is
actually
a
way
to
really
better
some
of
our
practices,
and
we
just
simply
had
to
better
our
practices
with
with
the
health
and
human
services
concerns
of
our
growers
in
the
central
valley.
To
make
sure
that
they
were
well,
so
we
could
get
good,
healthy
food
and
and
for
that
whole
process
to
grow
and
build
build
upon.
L
I
mean
it's
a
learning
experience
what
we're
going
through
with
kovid
and
it's
important
lessons
and
of
course
the
most
important
lesson
of
all
is
how
we
don't
have
to
do
these
this
to
ourselves
in
the
future.
We
don't
have
to
have
this
sort
of
social
pandemic
to
create
this
sort
of
important
changes
that
are
taking
place
right
now.
L
That's
perhaps
the
most
important
step
at
all
of
all,
and
we
can
learn
how
to
go
through
these
good
practices,
we're
learning
in
good
terms
and
just
with
dialogue
and
and
we
don't
have
to
hurt
each
other.
Thank
you.
L
A
C
Thank
you
yes,
so
I
have
a
question
for
lee
so
so
this
extension
increases
compensation
to
730
000,
with
no
extension
to
the
term.
Is
that
correct?
C
That
is
correct,
and
and
what
can
you
walk
me
through
exactly
what
we're
getting
through
this
contract?
I
I
had
previously
understood
that
they
were
mainly
helping
us
with
our
fema
guidance
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
B
Yeah,
the
widow,
thank
you,
council,
member,
the
widow
brian
contract,
is,
is
actually
meant
to
be
one
of
the
more
flexible
contracts
we
have
in
the
eoc
related
to
consulting
services.
So,
as
the
pandemic
has
put
us
through
a
variety
of
different
situations,
we've
used
widow
brine
in
a
variety
of
different
ways,
from
the
early
stages
of
the
pandemic,
around
public
health,
expertise
and
access
to
epidemiologists
and
other
doctors
around
the
country,
as
well
as
as
we
within
the
emergency
operation
center.
B
The
road
map,
keeping
some
essential
services
going
so
the
expertise
around
how
we
keep
those
services
going
in
a
socially
distanced
or
safe
way.
That's
the
second
category.
The
third
category
has
been
general
emergency
operation
center
support
and
logistics.
So
you
know,
for
instance,
just
talking
about
the
meal
program.
B
They
were
fairly
important
in
the
early
days
of
how
we
would
scale
a
food
programming
and
bringing
in
experts
to
talk
about
that,
as
well
as
the
procurement
of
pp
e,
being
very
crucial
for
us
to
understand
the
supplies
chain
issues
and
and
where
to
go
and
how
to
secure
pp
e
for
our
community
in
our
workforce
and
then.
Lastly,
council
members,
as
you
mentioned,
a
great
deal
of
their
work
along
with
ernst,
young
is
really
guided
by
lose
and
it's
around
our
fiscal
recovery
and
our
tracking,
and
so
with
whit.
O'brien.
B
B
A
L
Hi,
thank
you
for
this
last
item.
I
bet
you
talked
about.
You
know
as
a
fair
as
a
you
know,
polite
warning-
I
I
you
probably
under
have
heard
and
everyone's
understanding
that
there
is
a
growth
and
increase
the
rise
of
a
cohort
happening
in
europe
at
this
time
that
is
being
monitored
and
really
should
be
noted
here.
L
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
we've
got
another
month
to
go
at
least
just
to
be
cautious,
and
I
you
know,
I
think
that
should
be
allowed
to
entail
it's
a
difficult
question
to
ask,
but,
as
our
kids
are
going
back
to
school,
that
it
can
be
okay
to
ask
if
the
new
hvac
systems
in
those
schools
will
be
having
aerosol
vaccine
capabilities,
and
I
know
people
would
rather
call
it
ppe,
pp
e
stuff,
and
that
may
be
easier
to
say,
but
I
don't
feel
that
subject
should
be.
L
You
know
totally
fearful
to
talk
about
and
ask
about,
and
it's
not
too
impolite
to
simply
ask
you
know
is,
is:
is,
is
our
school
using
aristotle
vaccine
systems
at
all
that?
I
think
that
can
help
the
process
along
in
this
next
month.
Hopefully
it
can
be
easier
to
talk
about
about
the
first
item
brought
up
today
by
council
president
esparza,
that
I
cannot
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head,
unfortunately,
so
I'll
just
I'll.
Thank
you
that
there's
a
return
of
the
of
approving
of
agenda
minutes.
L
I
mean
that's
a
really
nice
concept
to
do
and
I
I
quickly
had
one
more
thing
about
the
first
item
brought
up
by
council
person.
Esparza,
that
my
mind
is
not
thinking
about,
and
I
can
sit
here
until
my
brain
freezes
and
I
can't
think
about
it.
I
have
15
seconds
to
try
to
think
it
was
nice,
decent,
important
and
maybe
I'll.
I
will
bring
it
up
in
talking
about
item
3.3.
L
It
stinks
when
my
brain
freezes
like
this
and
the
difficulties
of
public
comment
and
thanks
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you,
mr
speakman.
I
know
the
feeling:
okay,
we'll
vote
on
consent.
A
B
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
right
after
consent,
I'm
told
that
we
should
be
considered
considering
the
two
consent
items
on
the
land
use
calendar
that
is
10.1
a
and
b.
Is
there
emotions
to
those
items
or
would
anyone
like
to
pull.
C
Mayor
I'd
like
to
pull
10.18.
A
C
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
to
let
folks
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
excitement
in
the
community
about
this
moving
forward.
Greenwald
house
was
built
in
1877.
C
and
the
house
relocated
to
history
park
in
1991
and
since
2007
has
been
home
to
the
viet
museum
in
history
park
and
the
museum
founded
by
colonel
vuvan.
Luke
was
a
project
decades
in
the
making,
and
it's
really
wonderful
that
they've
made
their
home
in
history
park
in
district
7,
but
within
all
of
the
city's
preservation
of
our
city's
history,
and
so
with
this
action
today.
C
We're
ensuring
that
the
house
and,
more
importantly,
the
work
done
in
it,
continues
to
play
a
role
in
preserving
the
history
of
the
vietnamese
community
here
in
san
jose
telling
the
stories
of
those
who
were
forced
to
flee
their
home
country
and
found
their
home
right
here
in
san
jose.
With
that
I'd
like
to
move
approval.
G
A
Great-
and
I
just
wanted
to
echo
your
comments-
really
gratitude
to
luke
vu
and
his
family,
you
know
look
foo
was
so
personally
committed
and
has
been
so
personally
committed
to
that
to
to
preserving
the
memory
that
of
our
entire
community
in
the
incredible
ordeal
that
thousands
of
our
residents
experienced
in
in
leaving
vietnam
and
arriving
here
in
the
new
world,
and
I'm
just
so
grateful
that
he
committed
so
much
of
his
time,
passion,
energy
and,
in
fact,
his
own
financial
commitment
to
sustain
that.
A
I
Yes,
I
I
just
wanted
to
acknowledge
the
the
vietnamese
community
for
for
that
legacy
and
of
all
the
countries
in
the
world,
okay
in
1973,
when
they
were
fleeing.
On
top
of
the
on
top
of
that
building
that
housed
the
united
states
consulate
in
vietnam
and
were
literally
escaping
vietnam.
I
He
was
murdered
april
4th
1968
because
of
that
speech,
because
he
called
out
this
country
on
what
it
was
doing
to
other
countries,
but
yet
of
all
the
countries
in
the
world
and
all
the
cities
in
the
world.
It
was
here
in
san
jose
that
the
vietnamese
found
a
safe
haven
and
it
wasn't
just
any
other
part
of
town
because
they
weren't
going
to
find
that
safe
haven
in
willow,
glen
and
rose
garden,
but
they
found
it
on
the
east
side
of
san
jose
you're.
I
C
Mayor
I
wanted
to
interject
really
quick.
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
thank
also
the
county.
This
whole
thing
is
in
a
partnership
with
the
county,
where
the
county
is
funding
some
of
this
work,
and
so
it's
a
true
partnership
effort.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
we're
now
on
to
item
3.1,
which
is
a
report
of
the
city
manager
yeah.
Thank
you,
mayor
no
report
today.
All
right
thanks,
dave
3.3
is
effective
council,
discussion
and
debate,
and
I
know
there
are
several
memoranda
from
council
members.
Why
don't
we
go
to
the
public
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
council?
Would
that
be
okay,
councilman
cohen?
A
H
N
N
N
So
please
come
up
with
a
compromise
where
we
don't
have
to
spend
until
11
o'clock
at
night
or
12
o'clock
at
night
just
to
have
a
one
minute
comment,
and
I
really
do
think
it's
it's
wrong,
because
it's
having
a
disparate
impact
on
the
disabled,
which
are
a
protected
class.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
paul
showdown.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
Let
me
just
pull
up
what
I
had
written
for
this.
Okay,
a
law
is
unjust.
If
it
is
inflicted
on
a
minority
that,
as
a
result
of
being
denied
a
right
to
vote,
had
no
part
in
devising
or
enacting
the
law
can
laws
enacted
under
the
dark
racist
cloud
of
redlining,
with
its
associated
violations
of
due
process
and
equal
protection
under
the
law
be
considered
democratic?
I
Sometimes
a
law
is
just
on
its
face
and
unjust
in
its
application.
I
would
consider
this
law
crafted
by
cohen
davis
and
ricardo
as
a
prime
example.
The
core
principles
that
supports
our
democracy
is
demos.
Kratis,
that's
greek,
and
it
means
people.
Power
should
always
take
precedent
over
other
guiding
principles.
I
I
In
practice,
they
were
denied
this
right
in
the
schools
every
time
they
spoke,
the
indigenous
language
of
california
since
1530
the
length
of
time
that
it
took
to
debate
life,
the
length
of
time
that
it
takes
to
debate
life
and
death
issues
from
the
dyes
should
never
be
restricted
and
mitigated.
When
that
is
the
only
time
we
as
a
city
are
able
to
examine
for
ourselves
whether
or
not
our
elected
officials
are
acting
in
ways
that
are
consistent
with
our
values,
goals
and
principles.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
jeffrey
buchanan,.
B
I'm
erin
council
good
afternoon
on
behalf
of
working
partnerships,
would
like
to
encourage
the
council
to
refrain
from
supporting
the
memo
from
mayor
le
cardo.
In
particular,
I
think
what
we're
seeing
now
in
the
midst
of
it.
I
think,
if
anything
highlights
the
importance.
B
The
time
that's
allotted
on
the
time
clock
to
really
be
able
to
dig
in
on
really
important
matters
that
you
know
not
to
overstate
things,
but
in
some
cases
are
are
actually
life
and
death
in
this
moment
of
this
disaster,
and
you
know,
I
think,
thinking
about
emergencies
in
the
future.
There
is
the
you
know.
Perhaps
we've
seen
in
the.
O
Past,
where
certain
districts
may
be
impacted
disproportionately.
B
By
a
given
issue,
this
kind
of
framework
of
you
know
in.
B
B
And
where
you
know,
council
members
may
be
hearing
more
from
constituents
and
so
need
a
little
bit
more
time
to
ask
questions
to
inquire
to
offer
solutions.
Certainly
we
you
know
we
all.
We
all
want
to
think
about
norms
of
how
to
make
sure
that
that
all
voices
are
heard
on
the
council,
but
I
don't
think
you
do
that
by
constraining
who
who
can
actually
have
a
voice,
particularly
in
times
when
we
see
so
many
in
the
community
crying
out
for
assistance
and
and
with
need.
Thank
you
so
much.
A
Thank
you,
blair,
breakman,.
L
All
right,
thank
you,
blair
beekman
here,
you
guys
know
my
feelings
about.
You
know
this
issue
and
how
a
motion
system
can
really
help
and
just
simply
offer
you
know,
15
minutes
per
person
and
then
a
motion
system
and
that
can
allow
an
extra
additional
five
minutes
for
each.
You
know.
A
Mr
beakman,
your
your
device,
just
went
mute,
looks
like
you
may
have
accidentally
pushed
the
mute
device.
L
Additional
few
measures
that
you
can
take
for
for
for
community
public
meetings,
you
can
develop
a
red,
yellow
and
green
system
for
the
public
website.
A
little
green
dot
next
to
an
agenda
item
would
state
an
initial
beginning
agenda
for
an
upcoming
public
meeting.
A
yellow
dot
would
mean
changes
and
revisions
made
within
72
hours
of
a
public
meeting,
and
the
red
dot
would
mean
changes
and
revisions
made
during
the
last
24
hours
before
an
upcoming
public
meeting.
Would
it
be
too
much
to
also
ask?
L
Can
our
rules
and
open
government
council
agendas
be
placed
onto
a
public
website
before
12
noon
each
wednesday?
Currently
they
are
placed
before
1
pm.
My
final
request
is
for
city
government
staff
to
make
presentations
shorter
and
more
concise,
yet
not
not
be
afraid
to
offer
more
meaningful,
honest
information
about
city
government
projects
and
goals
with
how
much
of
a
time
remaining
I
have
25
seconds.
L
You
know
the
healing.
I
I
need
public
comment
time
as
a
healing
process.
I
use
it
in
those
terms.
I
hope
that
can
be
respected.
I
don't
use
it
to
dilly
dally,
I'm
doing
something
really
specific.
For
my
own
life,
I
will
totally
no
try
to
acknowledge
that
you
know
shortened
time
speaking
time
can
help,
but
I
use
it
for
my
own
health
and
my
own
healing
and
I
hope
that
can
be
respected.
Thank
you.
L
H
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
want
to
sort
of
introduce
this
item.
I
know
that
I
was
one
who
brought
this
up
with
the
rules
for
me,
so
I
want
to
just
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
background
on
this.
My
intention
in
doing
this,
was
never
about
limiting
the
total
time
to
any
council
member
would
speak,
but
about
creating
a
more
orderly
round,
robin
and
speaking,
to
allow
for
more
give
and
take
between
council
members.
I
I
disagree
with
the
mayor
on
his
memo.
Hard
time
limits.
H
I
don't
think
that
we
should
be
limiting
council
members
in
their
total
time
if
they
speak
a
little
disappointed
that
this
ended
up
getting
you
know
politicized,
and
this
went
out.
You
know
in
the
advocacy
email
yesterday
I
I
was
hoping
that
that
there
that
there'd
be
some
value
for
us
as
a
council
to
discuss
norms
together
since
we're,
you
know,
got
a
new
group
of
people
and
we
can
have
a
respectful
discussion
about
what
those
norms
should.
H
Involve
everybody
on
the
council
in
our
conversations,
my
feeling
is
that
the
more
participation
in
debate
from
council
members,
the
better
the
outcome
so
having
a
give
and
take
having
the
ability
to
respond
to
things
we
hear
from
other
council
members
has
value
in
the
discussion.
H
So
it
occurred
to
me
that
having
some
kind
of
orderly
round
robin
of
speakers
allows
more
of
that
give-and-take
and
more
of
that
conversation.
So,
for
example,
if
somebody
were
speaking
and
came
up
and-
and
I
heard
something
that
I
felt-
that
I
wanted
clarification
on
or
wanted
to
respond
to
or
make
a
comment
about
the
sooner
I
get,
I
get
the
opportunity
to
do
so,
the
the
potentially
the
better
it
is
for
the
overall
interaction
of
our
council
and
then
then
we
can
go
back.
H
Everybody
would
go
back
for
a
second,
a
second
round
of
comments.
So,
as
I
said
this,
this
isn't
really
about
limiting
time,
except
for
figuring
out
how
to
make
our
time
more
effective.
So
I
would
like
to
move
my
memo
which
talks
about
an
orderly
speaker
rotation
among
council
members.
H
I'm
going
to
give
a
little
bit
more
detail
to
that
and
say
that
we
have
to
have
some
time
for
each
of
those
rounds,
and
so
my
my
motion
will
be
for
10-minute
increments,
where
each
council
member
gets
10
minutes
and
and
then
goes
back
in
line
and
speaks
for
as
many
times
as
they
need
to
speak
to
complete
their.
You
know
the
thoughts
that
they
have
or
to
continue
to
weigh
in
on
items.
I
want
to
point
out
the
number
two,
of
course,
which
is
obviously
that
there'd
be
some
discretion.
H
Ten
minutes
isn't
a
hard
stop
if
people
are
in
the
middle
of
the
thought
or
in
the
middle
of
a
line
of
questioning,
the
chair
would
certainly
should
certainly
have
discretion
to
allow
them
to
finish
their
fire
line
of
questioning.
So
that
that's
my
proposal.
I
want
to
make
that
motion,
and
you
know
hope
that
we
can
have
a
conversation
about
the
best
approach
to
to
having
an
effective
discussion
on
the
council.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
Councilmember
davis,
thank
you
I'll.
Second,
that
motion
and-
and
I
want
to
thank
councilmember
cohen
for
for
bringing
this
up.
I
always
appreciate
having
new
council
members
come
on
because
they
have
a
fresh
perspective
and
have
come
from
other
boards,
and
so
I
just
really
I
want
to
thank
you,
councilmember
cohen,
for
for
bringing
this
up.
G
It's
been
something
that
I
think
has
been
frankly
an
issue
and
and
over
the
last
year
it's
been
really
hard
not
to
be
in
person
with
all
of
you
and
as
we
used
to
have
dinner
together
and
break
bread
to
have
that
time
not
to
discuss.
G
G
I've
missed
that
and
I
I'm
linking
these
two
items
they
they're
linked
in
my
mind,
because
we've
started
talking
more
here
on
the
screen,
because
I
think
we
don't
have
that
backroom
camaraderie
frankly
that
we
we
used
to
have-
and
I
very
much
miss
and
and
look
forward
to
getting
back
to
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
just
want
to
say
is.
G
I
don't
know,
if
other
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
other
council
members,
but
I
can
speak
for
myself
and
and
say
that,
because
these
meetings
have
gotten
so
long
and
it
is
so
draining
to
watch
myself
on
screen
and
it
is
so
draining
to
be
in
this.
Frankly,
it's
I
don't
love
being
in
my
garage.
I
think
the
dais
is
a
much
nicer
spot.
G
I
have
spoken
less
and
less
over
the
last
year
and
as
as
these
there,
there
have
been
many
items
where
I've
had
notes
and
I've
had
questions
that
I
just
end
up
texting
staff.
My
questions,
even
if
I
think
they
might
be
something
that
would
add
to
the
discussion,
because
it's
frankly
it's
not.
G
G
There
have
also
been
times
where
you
know:
one
person
raises
their
hand
the
first
time
every
time
and
asks
25
questions
and
they're
that
you
know
I
had
some
of
those
questions
and
we
could
have.
I
might
have
asked
them
in
a
slightly
different
way,
but
they
all
the
questions,
would
have
gotten
asked
and
answered
and
we
might
have
heard
from
from
the
wrecks
of
us
or
they
might
have
taken
me
in
a
different
direction.
G
G
G
We
can
do
that
and
we
can
understand
that
it'll
come
back
around
around
with
us
when
you
know
when
the
kids
play
foursquare
on
the
on
the
playground
or
played,
I
should
say
I
guess
it's
past
tense
for
right
now
they
they
would
wait
their
turn
and
then
they
would
play
and
then
they'd
they,
you
know,
play
a
game
and
then
they'd
come
back
off
and
wait
their
turn
and
they'd
go
on
again,
and
so
I
just
think
this
is
something
that
we
can
do.
G
It's
something
that
we
should
do
and
in
doing
that,
we
will
hear
from
all
of
us
we'll
get
home,
hopefully
at
a
reasonable
time
or
for
me,
get
back
into
the
house
from
my
garage
for
right
now
and
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
hear
more
from
our
public
as
well
and
not
have
to
limit
their
time
as
much.
G
So
that's
why
I'm
supporting
the
motion
and
I
would
support,
I
would
support
mayor
loccardo's
times
as
well
and
actually
having
specific
times
for
debate
for
specific
items,
and
we
could
even
I'm
just
again
throwing
this
out
here.
One
of
the
things
I
know
they
do
in
the
house
which
wasn't
mentioned
in
the
mayor's
memo,
is
they
have
different
times
for
different
items?
So
if
an
item
is
you
know
not,
you
know
needing
a
lot
of
discussion.
G
They'll
have
fewer
they'll
have
a
shorter
amount
of
time
for
debate
for
those
and
then
the
longer
ones.
You
know
the
the
bigger
items
that
will
have
more
debate,
so
we
could.
We
could
do
that
as
well,
and
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
that
there
there
are
other
ideas
and
limiting
limiting
the
time
for
for
discussion
is
not
necessarily
mean
it's
a
less
rich
discussion.
C
Thank
you
before
I
speak.
I
actually
wanted
to
ask
a
council
member
cohen.
If
you
would
add
a
couple
of
amendments
friendly
amendments
to
his
motion.
C
One
is
to
exempt
3.1
the
covid,
specifically
the
covet
updates
and
two
that
his
motion
would
apply
during
cobid.
I
think
we
can
certainly
revisit
this
once
we're
all
in
person,
but
I
think
we
can't
ignore
that
we're
in
a
pandemic,
so
I
wanted
to
actually
start
off
asking
if
he
would
accept
those
friendly
amendments.
H
Yeah
I'll
accept
them.
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
comment
about
them.
Since
I
mean
the
first
one,
I
think
you
know
I
think
we
can.
You
know
tip
that
if
it's
going
to
get
people
to
try
this
for
other
items,
I
think
the
value
here
is
testing
out
a
new
procedure
and
if
it's
easier
to
test
it
out
on
everything
other
than
3.1,
where
we
seem
to
have
you
know
a
lot
of
important.
H
You
know
there's
obviously
a
lot
of
important
things
being
said,
and
I
can
accept
that
to
try
it
now
for
the
for
the
the
other
one.
I
think
you're
saying
that
until
we're
all
back
in
person
together.
That's
when
that's
your
expiration
date
on
this,
I
guess
I
want
to
clarify
that.
In
other
words,
until
the
meetings
are
in
person
for
everybody,
if
the
day
is
together.
H
H
C
Yeah,
I
actually
had
some
comments,
so
so
what
I
wanted
to
add
was
for
over
a
year
now,
because
it
has
been
over
a
year.
This
council
we've
made
some
of
the
toughest
decisions
any
council
has
been
asked
to
make.
C
We
have
been
in
a
global
pandemic
and
we've
met
and
done
the
city's
business
over
zoom
councilmember
davis
mentioned
we
we're
not
breaking
bread,
we're
not
we're
doing
everything,
electronically
and
distance
and
away
from
each
other
and
our
community,
and-
and
I
understand
that
the
original
intent
was
not
to
limit
time
but
to
create
a
round-robin
effect
and
that
this
intent
was
altered
through
the
mayor's
memo
or
proposal
to
set
time
limits.
C
I've
mentioned
before
that.
I'm
adamantly
opposed
to
time
limits,
I'm
against
limiting
council
members
time
to
ask
questions,
discuss
items
and,
and-
and
I
would
like
to
remind
folks
that
you
know
some
of
us
represent
very
marginalized
communities.
These
are
folks
that
speak
other
languages
and
again
not
all
of
these
languages
are
available
on
zoom
or
at
each
meeting
to
folks.
That
normally
would
work
multiple
jobs,
but
are
still
underemployed,
dealing
with
child
care
and
and
live
in
garages.
C
C
And
that
includes
having
a
voice
on
this
council
and
having
conversations,
many
of
which
don't
actually
go.
Very
long,
but
for
those
that
do
it
is
worth,
democracy
is
worth
spending
time
on,
and
if
that
takes
time
asking
you
know,
because
I
did
actually
go
back
and
look
at
some
meetings
where
these
time
proposals
were
initially
voted
on,
and
we
were
asking
about
testing,
we
only
had
the
fairgrounds
at
that
time
we
were
talking
about
opening
pal.
The
city
was
advocating
opening
our
own
testing
site
at
the
cost
of
10
million
dollars
a
year.
C
We
had
not
yet
stood
up,
isolation,
support
programs.
We
were
debating
that
in
may,
when
these
initial
proposals
were
brought
up.
These
are
life
or
death
decisions
and
if
they
take
time
so
be
it,
that's
it
for
me.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Casa
maranas,.
P
In
the
spirit
of
efficiency,
I'm
just
going
to
say
ditto
on
all
of
the
things
that
council
member
esparza
just
finished,
saying
because
I'm
right
with
what
she
was
talking
about
and
and
and
making
sure
that
democracy
has
the
time
that
it
needs,
and-
and
here
it
was
my
question-
I'm
glad
to
hear
councilmember
cohen-
that
you're
not
necessarily
focused
on
just
time
constraints
but
more
of
an
intentional
conversation
all
around
you.
P
You
refer
to
it
as
around
robin
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
this
is
not
exactly
what
we
approved
in
rules.
I
actually
oppose
this
in
rules
just
to
be
transparent
with
everybody,
but
some
of
my
colleagues
felt
that
we
needed
to
have
this
conversation.
Once
again.
P
We
had
this
conversation
before
in
june,
and
we've
tried
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
this
work
and
and
I'll
say
that
I
I
don't
know
about
you
but
and
anything
that
I'm
doing
from
home
is
taking
twice
as
long
to
do
including
meetings
and
and
simply
because
it
just
takes
a
little
bit
longer
to
have
some
of
these
conversations.
P
Some
of
the
meetings
that
I
normally
would
take
a
half
hour
take
a
little
bit
longer
if
we
really
want
to
cover
some
of
what
we
need
to
be
talking
about.
If
we
want
to
get
to
the
to
a
point
where
we
understand
each
other,
and
so
I
just
think
in
in
the
same
fashion,
I
think
that
zoom
meetings
have
need
to
take
some
additional
time,
simply
because
we
don't
have
the
same
access
to
to
administration.
P
We
don't
have
the
same
access
to
all
of
the
things
that
we
haven't
had
the
same
access
to
in
this
last
year,
and
so
so
I
I
do
like
the
idea
of
of
maybe
having
some
rounds,
but
we
won't
really
have
debate
because
we're
we're
not
meant
to
have
debate.
We're
meant
to
ask
about
content,
ask
about
clarifying
questions,
but
the
debate
isn't
really
meant
to
happen
at
the
dias,
because
most
people
already
have
decided
what
it
is
that
they're
going
to
vote
on.
P
P
A
You've
had
some
problems
with
the
audio
getting
stuck
or
the
video.
Rather
so
maybe
you
may
want
to
turn
off
your
video
and
just
the
last
10
seconds
or
20
seconds
or
so
is
what
we
lost.
P
Oh
okay:
okay,
no,
no
problem
so-
and
this
is
another.
This
is
another
reason
why
zoom
also
delays
our
conversations.
I
had
one
conversation
where
none
of
my
devices
worked
and
I
actually
ultimately
had
to
just
get
on
the
phone.
So
we
we
can't.
We
have
to
think
about
all
of
the
all
of
the
technical
issues.
P
All
of
the
reasons
why
we
we
should
a
lot
whatever
time
we
we
need
for
the
issues
that
we
want
and
and
if
we
limit
our
comments,
who
are
we
giving
this
time
back
to,
and
I
know,
there's
been
some
some
suggestions
in
the
memos
that
we
should
give
it
back
to
administration
so
that
they
can
continue
to
do
the
work
that
they're
doing,
and
I
absolutely
agree
that
I
agree
to
that.
But
I
also
agree
that
their
time
should
be
given
back
to
our
community.
P
So
if
I'm
not
going
to
speak
on
behalf
of
my
community
or
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
speak
as
long
as
I,
I
need
to
to
really
my
message
and
and
get
what
what
I've
heard
from
back
from
my
stakeholders
relayed
within
a
meeting
then
I
need
them
to
call
in
and
and
use
their
own
voice,
and
whether
we
cut
down
on
conversations
does
not
mean
whether
we
cut
down
on
conversation
doesn't
mean
that
whatever
we
cut
down
is
given
to
community
and
then
and
to
have
each
of
the
items
increased
for
public
comment
from
two
minutes
to
three
minutes.
P
P
P
And
then
the
second
thing
that
I
wanted
to
think
is
that
I
wanted
just
to
pose
to
my
colleagues:
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
just
very
serious,
controversial
development
all
around
in
any
one
of
our
districts
and
getting
approved
to
keep
it
at
10
minutes
when
there's
a
lot
that
that
a
lot
of
exchange
between
maybe
the
planning
department
and
yourself
we're
asking
community
leaders
a
question
and
having
that
resp
that
response
back
and
limiting
it
to
10
minutes
interrupting
the
flow
and
then
getting
back
you
know
in
line
basically
is
is
really
not.
P
I
don't
think
would
be
beneficial
to
to
to
that
to
that
area,
and
so,
if
we
say
well,
it's
not,
you
know
this
won't
apply
to
development
issues
or
items.
Well.
Why
not,
then
shouldn't
it
also
apply
to
everything
else,
and
so
I
don't
think
we
also
should
have
exceptions,
but
I
do
want
us
to
think
for
many
of
you
who
have
more
development
than
maybe
I
do
and
when
I
do
have
development
in
my
district.
P
It
typically
is
very
controversial,
so
it
it
may
not
happen
all
the
time,
but
I
know
when
it
does,
it
gets
pretty
heated
and
people
are
very
protective
about
where
they
live,
and
then
lastly-
and
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody-
we
had
san
jose
water,
san
jose
water
last
week
on
on
the
agenda
and
myself
and
another
colleague
asked
this
water
company
a
lot
of
questions
and
nobody
else
did,
but
we
did
right
and
I
think
that's
fine,
sometimes
it's
just
you
know
we
sometimes
we
cover
all
the
questions
but
within
I
think
both
of
us.
P
I
think
I
took
15
minutes.
My
colleague
took
30
minutes
and
if
nobody
else
in
line
then
what
happens
do
that
we
get
an
accumulated
10
minutes,
10
minutes
10
minutes.
I
know
this
is
obnoxious,
but
so
is
this
process?
P
Have
not,
we
still
have
not
established
a
different
process,
and
typically
this
is
not
what
the
process
is
for
you
to
interrupt,
or
anybody
to
interrupt
me,
except
for
the
mayor
to
maybe
guide
me
back
to
the
topic
at
hand,
if
I'm
out
of
topic,
so
the
the
last
thing
is
when
we
ask
questions-
and
I
ask
a
question
about
something
that
is
going
to
have
a
very
complex
answer-
maybe
a
new
memo
came
out.
P
A
very
complex
memoir
came
out
and
I
am
asking
a
question
that
takes
about
a
minute
to
ask
30
seconds
to
ask,
but
the
answer
is
going
to
per
is
going
to
be
about
five
minutes,
then
what
so?
I
would
also
like
to
suggest
that
we
also
control
the
the
time
response,
the
response
of
staff,
we're
not
responsible
for
their
responses
and
if
they
take
more
than
what
we
want,
then
we're
only
encouraging
a
very
superficial
response
from
them
and
not
a
thorough
response,
and
so
even
you
know
in
congressional
hearings.
P
P
P
I
also
think
that
that
as
women
on
council,
we
tend
to
be
more
quiet
than
others,
and
this
is
something
that
even
in
san
francisco
supervisors
have
an
article
about
this
in
justice
last
recent
week,
where
men
were
speaking
more
into
committees
and
during
and
on
the
dias
during
supervisor
meetings,
and
so
as
a
woman,
I
really
don't
want
to
be
encouraged
to
keep
my
voice
at
a
limit.
P
A
Thank
you,
councilmember.
I'm
going
to
jump
in
just
offer
a
few
thoughts
I'm
going
to
have
to
step
away,
because
I
have
an
important
call
with
senior
officials
at
the
u.s
department
of
transportation
about
bart.
So
I'm
sorry,
I'm
going
to
have
to
pull
myself
away
from
this.
I
just
wanted
to
offer
my
thoughts
first.
I
appreciate
the
motion
from
from
council
member
cohen,
as
it's
been
amended
and
happy
to
support
it.
Obviously
I'd
prefer
a
more
robust
set
of
restrictions.
A
I
think,
as
everyone
knows,
mark
twain
famously
wrote
that
I
didn't
have
time
to
write
a
short
letter,
so
I
wrote
a
long
one
instead
and
that
reflects
a
certain
notion
that
there
are
ways
in
which
we
can
be
focused
in
our
communication
and
our
questioning
and
so
forth
and
accomplish
far
more,
and
you
know
my
reasons
for
believing
we
need
more
robust
restrictions
are
many
fold.
A
The
people
who
do
the
most
important
work
or
some
of
the
most
important
work
in
the
city
clearly
are
much
of
the
most
important
work
in
our
city
are
often
stuck
listening
to
us.
A
Rather
than
doing
that,
important
work,
or
rather
than
getting
to
sleep
at
a
reasonable
hour,
or
rather
than
fixing
food
for
their
kids,
so
I'm
concerned
about
impact
on
the
workforce.
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
impact
on
the
public,
because
I
appreciate
that
we
often
view
ourselves
as
representatives
of
the
public
and
our
voices
should
express
their
sentiments,
their
passions,
but
we're
not
the
only
voices,
the
public
there
are,
after
all,
the
public
voices
themselves.
A
And
how
often
do
we
forget
the
public
voices,
martha
o'connell,
I
think,
put
it
very
well.
How
many
times
have
I
heard
people
complaining
to
me
saying?
I
really
wanted
to
speak
on
that
item,
but
the
council
meeting
got
so
late.
I
had
to
put
my
kids
to
bed
and
I
had
to
drop
off
because,
let's
face
it,
most
human
beings
can't
endure
a
10
hour
council
meeting
for
their
opportunity
to
speak
on
that
one
item
they
really
care
about
that
might
involve
affordable
housing.
A
And
my
concern
has
been
all
along
that
our
voices,
rather
than
mirroring
the
voices
of
the
public
many
ways,
are
drowning
out.
The
voices
of
the
public
they're
supplanting
the
voices
of
the
public,
and
this
is
after
all,
public
meeting
and
we
believe
in
democracy-
and
I
recall
the
debate
well
in
june,
because
at
that
time
we
had
to
shorten
public
comment
to
be
able
to
wrap
up
the
council
in
any
kind
of
reasonable
hour.
A
A
If
there's
a
concern
about
silencing
voices,
then
then
the
victims
of
those
silencing
that
the
victims
of
that
silencing
include
members
of
the
united
states
senate
for
the
last
two
centuries,
which
is
considered
the
world's
greatest
deliberative
body.
According
to
president
buchanan,
it
includes
members
of
the
u.s
house
of
representatives,
members
of
both
houses
here
in
the
city
of
california,
and
many
many
cities
all
which
I
think
are
recited
in
my
memorandum,
in
which
there
are
reasonable
restrictions
placed
on
debate
in
the
duration
of
our
discussion.
A
So
I
I
simply
continue
to
believe
that
our
most
important
work
is
involved
in
the
decisions
we
make
and
the
way
we
serve
our
community.
It's
far
less
about
us
being
heard.
I
think
we
have
many
ways
in
which
we
can
be.
I
A
Extended
very
extended
monologues
that
have
been,
I
think
too,
common
in
this
council
that
have
really
prevented
the
public
from
meaningfully
participating
and
have
inhibited
our
staff
from
doing
their
very
important
work.
With
that,
I'm
happy
to
support
the
motion.
Unfortunately,
I'm
going
to
have
to
step
away
now,
but
I'll
leave
it
to
the
good
hands
of
vice
mayor
jones.
B
Thank
you,
mayor
council,
member
perales,.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much.
I
apologize
here,
oh
sealed
off
yeah.
I
appreciate
the
the
dialogue
and
I've
obviously
had
an
opinion
on
this
as
well
for
some
time.
I
think
that
one
of
the
points
that
I'd
like
to
make
because
it
doesn't
come
across
in
the
the
mayor's
memo
or
in
the
comments
that
he
just
he
just
provided,
and
it's
that
we
are
the
elected
representatives
of
our
our
communities
and,
as
we
know,
certainly
even
on
pretty
contentious
items
and
items
that
are
well
part.
E
You
know
we
have
a
good
participation
from
our
community
members.
E
It's
still
not
necessarily
a
a
complete
representative
body
of
our
communities
lot
of
times
it's
those
that
have
the
ability
to
participate,
the
time
to
participate,
particular
interest,
sometimes
one-sided
interest,
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
not
only
the
opportunity
of
the
opportunity
obligation
to
be
able
to
understand
these
issues.
E
E
As
we
know
when
we
have
public
speakers
that
may
come
out
on
particular
items
and
if
we
were
simply
to
go,
engage
our
decisions
based
on
that
a
lot
of
times
that
may
be
against
what
the
the
general
consensus
of
our
community
would
wish,
because
it's
simply
maybe
one
view
that
comes
out
and
that's
our
our
obligation
and
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
so,
especially
whether
it's
individual
contentious
items
or
maybe
items
that
may
be
more
reflective
of
particular
council
districts
and
areas,
depending
on
on
what
the
impacts
may
be.
E
When
we
limit
our
own
speech
our
own
time
on
on
advocacy,
we're
not
just
limiting
ourselves,
we're
limiting
the
fact
that
we
are
the
the
representative
elected
body
for
our
communities,
we
are
the
one
individual
that
our
community
members
have
have
elected
to
sit
on
this
body
to
actually
be
able
to
speak
up
and
debate
on
these
issues
without
a
one
minute,
two
minute,
three
minute
time
limit
and,
and
so
and
obviously
our
communities
understand
that
and
they
recognize
that
and
and
many
will
come
to
us
ahead
of
these
decisions
to
to
try
and
advocate
one
way
or
another,
and
and
so
at
the
same
time
as
I
appreciate
wanting
to
be
efficient
and
conscious
of
of
the
length
of
time
that
we
can
debate
on
particular
issues.
E
I
think
we've
made
some
strides
to
to
try
and
do
that.
The
things
like
what
we
have
now
on
on
you
know
henry's
screen,
which
is
a
a
timer
to
try
and
and
at
least
provide
some
guides
in
in
regards
to
because
if
right,
clearly,
if
you
don't
have
a
timer,
you
may
not
even
know
how
long
you're
going-
and
that
was
certainly
the
case.
I
think
many
times
for
all
of
us
with
the
timer.
I
think
it's
very
helpful
as
a
guide.
E
I
appreciate
and
can
support
the
intent
of
wanting
to
create
opportunities
to
go
back
and
forth
or
the
the
sort
of
the
round-robin
as
councilmember
cohen,
described,
and
in
fact
I
would
have
liked
that
last
week.
As
my
colleagues
know,
I
wanted
to
come
back
and
circle
around
not
only
to
add
a
friendly
amendment
on
an
item
but
to
be
able
to
talk
about
that
friendly
amendment
and
we
called
the
question.
It
was
getting
late
on
an
item
right
and
I
respected
that.
E
I
I
wanted
to
be
able
to
speak,
but
we
called
the
question
and
I
was
not
able
to.
I
would
have
loved
an
opportunity
to
have
a
second
round
right,
even
if
it
was
a
short-lived
time
to
make
an
amendment
and
to
to
have
a
different.
You
know
to
share
it.
I
guess
a
rebuttal
if
you
will.
E
Fortunately,
in
that
case
last
week
I
was
able
to
make
a
second
motion,
as
you
all
recall,
but
I
am,
I
am
very
interested
in
in
that
opportunity
where,
where
I
take
pause,
is
in
the
the
strict
time
limits-
and
I
believe
at
least
emotion
on
the
table
initially
didn't
include
them,
does
it
include
them
now,
just
kind
of,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
restating
the
motion
counsel,
where
we're.
H
Yeah,
I
added
that
the
time
limits
my
feeling
was
that
saying
that
we
would
have
a
quarterly
rotation
without
having
some
limit
on
each
step
of
that
rotation
kind
of
makes
it
somewhat
meaningless,
because
you
still
have
to
wait
until
each
individual
decides
that
their
rotation
is
done.
So
I
I
felt
that
we
needed
some
time
in
that
time
constraint
within
each
rotation
in
order
to
make
it
meaningful.
H
I
didn't
have
any
max,
you
can
continue.
There
was
no
limit.
I
don't
intend
to
limit
overall
discussion.
It
was
just
a
two
ten
minutes
and
then,
as
many
terms
as
and
they
and
and
now,
and
to
answer
councilman
raines's
question.
You
know
if
nobody
else
is
in
line,
then
there's
no
limit
right.
I
mean
the
idea
is
that
this
applies
when
someone
else's
hand
is
raised.
Otherwise
you
know
that
your
10
minute
just
continues.
E
Okay,
okay,
yeah:
I
I'm
not
completely
against
that,
but
I'm
not
totally
inclined
to
jump
on
board
with
it
either.
I
appreciate
that
there's
no
overall
limit
and
that
in
an
attempt
to
get
a
round
robin
and
get
people
to
participate,
it's
a
back
and
forth
debate.
E
Certainly
excuse
me:
you
need
you
need
some
kind
of
to
limit
to
to
be
actually
to
go
around
the
room.
So
I
appreciate
that
I
appreciate
the
dialogue
and
look
forward
to
hear
a
little
more
commentary
on
it.
Thanks.
Q
Thank
you
vice
mayor.
Some
of
those
questions
that
council
member
perol
has
asked
were
some
of
mine.
You
know
you,
you
keep
hearing
this,
whether
we're
limiting
or
not
limiting.
It
seems
like
we're
doing
both
to
a
certain
extent
right,
council.
Member
cohen,
I
mean
the
10
minute
limit,
but
then
you
can
come
back
around
right
is
essentially.
H
H
H
Is
you
know
it's
not
really
the
point,
but
just
to
say
we're
moving
on
to
another
person
and
coming
back.
Q
Q
I
don't
necessarily
view
this
as
limits,
although
there
is
that
10
10
minute
limit,
so
I
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
approach
going
forward
and-
and
you
know
if
I
may
just
say
that
I
think
in
in
council
member
davis-
comments
what
I
heard
and
she
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
what
she
was
suggesting
is
just
this
interest
in
being
heard
and
having
an
opportunity
to
chime
in
right,
I
think,
is
what
you
know:
what
what
folks
desire
right-
and
I
think
that's
a
just
and
valuable
sort
of
want
and
desire
and
logical.
Q
I
do
share
council
member
davis's
concerns
as
it
relates
or
her
her
statements
as
it
relates
to
over
the
course
of
this
past
year,
feeling,
like
I'm,
commenting
less
and
less
and
that
these
meetings,
as
I
tell
my
constituents
actually
I
say
that
I'm
zoomed
out,
I'm
just
I'm
just
tired
of
this
to
be
very
honest
with
you,
this
format
on
video
trying
to
find
a
good
place
where
you're
not
being
interrupted
coming
to
the
office
staying
home,
just
doing
a
host
of
different
things,
and
so
I
do
think
as
well
that
the
meetings
have
gone
on
many
many
many
hours,
and
sometimes
I
mean-
and
you
know
I'm
I
own
some
of
this
myself
over
the
course
of
the
time
I've
been
on
council,
but
sometimes
we
we
we're
a
little
verbose
right.
Q
We
go
into
stories,
we
go
into
examples.
We
do
this.
We
do
that
and
we
extend
we
ourselves
and
me
included,
extend
these
conversations,
and
so
I
I
think
it's
moving
forward
with
this.
As
I
see
it
as
just
an
acknowledgement
that
we
just
need
to
approach
things
a
little
differently
and
so
and
suffice
it
to
say
that
we're
not
even
touching
and
I'll
just
say
this
publicly,
because
I
know
it.
It's
been
said
to
me
in
different
in
different
spaces
out
in
the
community.
Q
But
the
other
thing
that
I
I'm
very
concerned
about
is
just
the
level
of
divisiveness
that
have
taken
place
at
the
council
level.
Q
And
I
know
that
there's
many
of
us
as
council
members
that
feel
that
sometimes
the
conversations
during
the
course
of
going
into
20
minutes
of
comments
or
whatnot
that
that
it
has
tended
to
go
the
direction
of
a
little
personal.
Q
Q
Some
of
that,
and
that
is
hopefully
in
my
mind,
hopefully
going
to
be
one
of
the
outcomes
of
this
is
that
we
will
be
more
cognizant
to
maybe
listen
a
little
bit
more
to
some
of
the
folks
and
not
necessarily
take
a
a
a
combative
stance
to
to
people's
commentary.
Right.
I
mean
chappie
and
vice
mayor
jones,
and
I
have
talked
that.
We
don't
always
agree
right
and
I
think
that's
that's
going
to
happen.
Obviously,
because
we
we
come
from
different
worlds,
different
experiences,
but
trying
to
not
make
some
of
the
statements.
Q
Personal,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
very
important
and
I
hope
that
we
all
try
to
live
up.
To
that.
I
know
I
try
to
and
it's
difficult
at
times
right,
but
I
do
hope
that
this
dialogue
we're
having
here
today
sort
of
points
us
in
a
new
direction
in
which
we
we
leave
some
of
that
by
the
wayside
and
I'll
be
supporting
this.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
vice
mayor,
I,
in
spirit
of
round
robin
I
will
keep
it
short.
My
one
of
my
colleagues
brought
up
an
example
that
I
think
we
can
follow
and
that
is
that
valley,
water
has
estimates
for
staff
presentations.
I
know
during
covid,
while
here
we
debate
about
some
of
the
life
and
death
decisions
that
we
make
in
a
global
pandemic.
C
We
have
had
some
very
long
staff
presentations
and
I
I
understand
that
the
our
lean
staffing
here
at
the
city
and
the
fact
that
everybody's
stretched
trying
to
do
so
much
leads
to
some
very
short
memos
and
some
very,
very
long,
powerpoint
presentations,
because
those
are
often
submitted
to
us
at
the
last
minute,
and
so
I
wanted
to
to
ask
councilmember
cohen
if
you
would
accept
another
amendment
that
includes
a
staff
estimate
of
time
on
an
item
for
their
presentation
in
the
agenda
item
similar
to
valley,
water.
A
I
absolutely
think
it
is
a
straightforward
request.
You
know
I
just
want
to
you
know
we
certainly
go
into
all
the
agenda
items.
You
know
from
a
strategic
standpoint
of
of
trying
to
be
focused
in
our
approach
and
obviously
you
know.
The
reason
we're
here
is
to
support
your
work.
L
A
At
times,
but
we're
open
to
the
feedback
and
we're
certainly
open
to
being
able
to
provide
an
estimate
on
what
we
believe
the
the
presentation
time
would
be.
Q
For
in
particular,
more
substantive
items,
so
I
think
we
can
accommodate
that
for.
C
Thank
you,
and
I
I
just
would
add
that
I
hope
that
rules
we've
had
some
items
come
to
us
very
late
at
night,
that
included
long
presentations
and
videos
and
all
sorts
of
things.
That
would
add
to
the
time
so.
C
I
don't
know
who
that
is
folks,
muted
there
we
go
anyway.
Thank
you
for
the
amendment
appreciate
it.
That's
it
for
me.
G
B
Great
all
right,
councilmember
cohen
you're
up
next.
H
B
Okay,
councilmember
man.
O
I
already
like
this
all
right,
hi,
everyone
yeah,
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
the
the
memo
and
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion
and
I
I'd
probably
support
something
even
stronger.
Frankly,
I
think-
and
I'm
certainly
new
here,
but
I
actually
think
council
member
jimenez
sort
of
summarized
how
I
feel
quite
a
bit
quite
well-
and
you
know
my
my
view-
is
that
I
I
don't
think
I
think
we
might,
we
might
be
overthinking.
I
don't
think
we
were
that
different
from
these
other
governmental
bodies.
O
I
think
the
mayor
laid
out
congress
state
legislature,
cities
of
san
francisco,
l.a
oakland.
Many
many
other
bodies
have
limits
and
I
think
the
reason
is
not
about
having
short,
efficient
meetings.
I
actually,
I
really
do
believe
it
will
improve
the
quality
of
the
conversation
and
certain
health.
Remember
jimenez
mentioned
something
that
even
I
you
know
had
not
quite
put
my
finger
on,
but
actually
listening.
I
I
think
it's.
It
is
hard
to
follow
and
listen
to
comments
over
20
or
30
minutes,
and
I
have
certainly
in
my
short
time
here
been
guilty
of.
O
I
know
for
myself
that,
knowing
that
I
have
10-minute
increments
and
again,
I
would
probably
support
even
stronger
limits
on
maybe
number
of
rounds
like
we
normally
would
have
three
rounds
and
then
have
to
vote
to
extend,
for
example,
but
anyway,
that's
not
the
motion,
knowing
that
I
have
these
limits
would
really
push
me
to
make
my
comments
more
to
the
point
and
to
ask
more
succinct,
questions
and
kind
of
get
through
my
questions
quickly,
and
I
also
think
a
more
subtle
shift.
So
I
think
we'd
improve
listening.
O
Ask
better
questions
summarize
our
points
more
succinctly,
I'm
already
at
risk
of
rambling
here,
but
I
think
the
other
piece
is
that
we
might
shift
the
nature
of
the
questions.
I
know
that
I
sometimes
ask
informational
questions
that
occasionally
are
in
the
memo
in
the
presentation
or
just
because
I
don't
have
enough
background
yet
on
some
of
these
issues
and
while
that's
certainly
appropriate-
and
I
think
there
is
some
public
benefit
to
the
informational
questions,
and
sometimes
we
want
to
put
emphasis
on
them.
O
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
our
conversation
shifted
to
have
more
persuasion
or
to
have
a
series
of
questions
that
lead
to
a
potential
recommendation,
and
so
I
just
I
think
it
might
push
us
to
have
more
substantive
dialogue
and
engagement
with
staff
and
just
make
better
use
of
the
time.
I
actually
think
we
I
think
human
nature
is
that
we
respond
to
constraints
and
limits
and
we're
quite
creative
and
innovative,
and
I
just
I
don't
see
it
as
a
loss.
O
I
honestly
think
it
would
lead
to
higher
quality
conversation,
even
though
it
feels
like
a
loss
like
we're,
taking
something
away.
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
it
has
to
be.
I
think
it
could
be
an
enhancement,
and
you
know
understanding
that
I
think
some
of
us.
We
may
have
some
different
expectations
for
what
this
body
is
meant
to
do.
O
We
may
communicate
in
different
ways,
so
I'm
respectful
of
the
fact
that
that
we're
all
coming
at
this
from
a
different
perspective,
but
mine,
is
that
I
think
more
constraint
will
lead
to
higher
quality
conversation
better
use
of
time
and
better
listening
more
time
for
public
engagement,
and
I
think
we'll
avoid
this
phenomenon
that
I've
noticed
in
a
few
meetings
where
we
get
tired
at
the
end
and
we
kind
of
rush
through
the
last
few
items,
because
we're
just
exhausted.
So
that's
my
summary
of
how
I
feel
about
it
at
this
point.
Thank
you.
R
Thank
you.
You
know
I
I
I
I'm
I'm
actually
enjoying
this
this
conversation,
because
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
great
points
that
are
being
made
at
the
end
of
the
day.
You
know
my
biggest
concern
is
is
one
is
shortening
the
time
that
we
have
for
our
constituents
to
voice
their
concerns
or
their
disappointments
in
us
or
whatever
it
is.
R
That
happens
to
be
on
their
mind,
relative
relating
to
the
topic
at
hand,
but
but
I
do
have
a
concern
about
limiting
discussion
on
council
members
for
just
a
couple
of
reasons.
One
is.
R
I
don't
think
that
that
we
should
we
were
elected
to
sit
and
ramble
on
in
ad
nauseam
and
have
these
conversations
until
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
unless,
as
the
elected
official
who
represents
the
district,
feels
that
the
answers
have
not
been
given,
there
are
more
concerns
and
questions
that
arise
or
that
we're
in
in
essence,
also
the
proxy
for
our
our
constituents.
Our
constituents
contact
us.
They
they
feed
us
information.
They
feed
us
their
concerns
as
well
and
many
times
they
can't
make
it
to
the
to
the
board
meetings.
R
R
It
didn't
come
up
not
like
this,
and
I've
sat
on
now
on
the
council,
with
the
different
council
members
that
have
turned
over
either
for
because
of
term
limits,
or
they
were
unseated,
would
have
you
and
and
individuals
who
were
who
enjoyed
contributing
to
the
conversation
at
length
and
and
yet
that
was
never
imposed
on
that
council
or
that
individual
when
they
thought
you
know
they
needed
to
make
a
really
strong
argument
against
rent
control,
for
example,
and
so
as
as
the
pandemic
has
hit
us,
and
it's
hit
us
hard
and
and
and
and
let's
you
know,
let's
look
at
the
data
points.
R
We
have
others
infrastructure
pavement.
You
know
all
that
other
interesting
stuff
that
goes
on
in
council,
but
these
tend
to
be
the
longest
conversations,
and
so
I
just
caution
us
as
we
move
forward
in
deciding
who
we're
going
to
censor
or
limit
and
where
those
conversations
tend
to
be
rooted
in
and
most
of
those
conversations
and
I'm
just
speaking
anecdotally,
because
I
don't
have
a
magic,
little
calculator
that
calculates
every
everybody's
minute
or
based
on
which
subject
it's
it's.
R
My
own
experience,
such
as
the
experience
that
each
and
every
one
of
you
has,
but
they
tend
to
be
very
heavy
conversations
regarding
how
we're
going
to
save
someone's
life,
how
we're
going
to
shift
resources
so
that
people
can
continue
to
feed
their
children
and
not
be
displaced
from
an
already
gentrified
community,
and-
and
this
is
a
theme
that
keeps
coming
up
over
and
over.
So
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
resolve
here.
What
we're
trying
to
accomplish.
R
If,
if
we
think
that
the
meetings
are
too
long,
because
some
council
members
get
tired,
I
was
on
the
rent
control
meeting
until
one
or
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
My
my
council
buddy
can
can
attest
to
that
because
I
don't
remember
the
exact
hour,
but
that
was
a
marathon
of
all
marathons.
R
But
it
was
an
important
and
important
issue
and
it
was
an
issue
that
we
couldn't
cut
any
shorter
because
we
had
a
council
that
was
very
split
and
we
had
outside
interests
that
were
very
concerned
about
how
we
were
going
to
vote.
We
had
individuals
who
were
representing
very
vulnerable
communities.
We
had
the
law
foundation.
R
We
had
the
apartment
association,
we
had
the
realtors,
we
had
individuals
who
insisted
on
speaking
on
these
subjects
and
brought
all
their
people
out
so
that
we
could
hear
both
sides
of
the
of
the
argument
and
and
and
again
my
concern
is
that
when
we've
really
raised
the
conversation
or
the
dialogue
to
really
deal
with,
what
I
consider
are
some
of
the
most
pressing
issues
of
our
time.
R
This
is
when,
when
we
are
choosing
to
consider
limiting
the
time
of
council
members-
and
you
know,
and
in
terms
of
the
round
robin
I
I
mean-
I
don't
know
what
we're
calling
it,
but
I
support
a
richer
dialogue
that
can
go
back
and
forth.
I
don't
think
that's
so
much
science
as
it
is
art.
R
It's
how
you
manage
a
meeting,
and
you
know
a
council
member
should
be
able
to
say
hey,
not
that
I
want
to
rebuttal,
but
I
have
something
that
I
want
to
ask
regarding
that
moment
versus
an
hour
and
a
half
later,
when
you
know
when
we
moved
on
to
a
whole
different
area
of
thought
within
the
same
council
item.
So
a
couple
of
things
is
so.
I
know
that
council
member
esparza
made
a
a
recommendation.
R
R
We
could
do
that.
Sometimes
we
speed
right
through
closed
session,
and
then
we
have
three
or
four
hours
in
between
closed
session
and
open
session
when
we
really
could
be
using
that
time
more
wisely
and
allow
people
to
get
their
kids
to
bed
on
time
or
or
allow
people
to
go
home
and
make
dinner.
What
what
have
you?
R
You
know
los
angeles
splits
it
up.
They
have
it
tuesday,
wednesdays
and
fridays.
Maybe
we
need
to
consider
multiple
sessions
so
that
we
don't
go
on
and
on
and
on
until
you
know
the
bedtime.
You
know
some
people
like
to
go
to
bed
early.
I
suppose,
but
you
know
I
want
to
remind
everybody
who
is
tired
at
the
end
of
the
night,
I'm
tired.
I
have
three
teenagers,
I'm
a
single
mom,
I'm
exhausted,
but
I
stay
up
late
at
night
on
a
tuesday
because
it's
a
tuesday
and
that's
the
expectations
of
my
job.
R
Those
were
the
wrecks
and
the
specs
when
I
signed
up
for
this
job-
and
I
want
to
change
the
rules
of
this
job.
Well,
we
wouldn't
allow
an
employee
to
do
that
to
us.
So
I'm
not
sure
exactly
why
we're
suddenly
wanting
to
cut
that
that
time
short.
But
if
we
needed
to,
for
whatever
reasons
to
to
respect
the
public
or
to
respect
each
other's
lifestyles
and
home
life,
then
we
could
split
up
tuesday,
wednesdays
fridays
or
we
could
do
again
I'll.
Just
repeat
myself.
R
R
I
will
support
the
will
of
the
of
the
council
and
be
a
team
player,
because
I
think
that
that's
really
important,
but
I
I'm
going
to
caution
all
of
us
to
be
really
careful
where
we
set
those
time
limits
or
how
we
watch
people
raise
their
hand,
because
that
wasn't
a
complaint
by
the
way
when
we
had
a
two-day
marathon
regarding
the
strong
mayorship
and
shifting
the
election
to
to
a
presidential
cycle.
R
B
Thank
you,
council,
member
council
member
arenas.
I
see
you're
up
next,
but
in
the
spirit
of
round
robin
council
member
foley
hasn't
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
yet.
So
I
want
to
ask
you
if
you
are
willing
to
defer
speaking
until
council
member
foley
has
an
opportunity.
D
Thank
you,
I'm
enjoying
listening
to
this
discussion.
The
council
may
remember
when
we,
when
I
was
a
brand
new
council
member,
I
brought
in
a
motion
to
reduce
the
discussion
on
our
priority
setting
items
to
10
minutes
and
we
all
agreed
to
it
at
that
time,
but
that
was
just
a
one-time
thing
on
the
priority
setting,
so
we
could
actually
get
through
priority
setting.
So
you
all
know
how
I
feel
about
shorter
time
shorter
meetings,
but
it
it's
not
necessarily
so.
D
D
I
always
felt
such
pressure
with
that,
because
90
seconds
can
be
a
long
time
or
it
can
be
a
really
short
time,
but
it's
a
amount
of
time
that
puts
a
lot
of
pressure
on
you,
so
we're
I'm
glad
we're
not
saying
90
seconds
or
less,
because
that
really
is
a
tight
time
restraint.
I
just
mentioned
that,
because
there
I've
been
at
meetings
where
that's
what
I
was
limited
to
was
90
seconds.
I,
like
the
10
minutes.
I
like
the
modification,
the
exemptions
that
were
included,
I
think,
certainly
during
covet
times.
D
We
really
need
an
opportunity
to
engage
staff
and
and
comment
on
reports
for
a
minute
many
times
longer
than
10
minutes.
So
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
also
appreciate
that
we're
going
to
look
at
this
through
covid
through
the
pandemic
and
then
take
a
look
at
what
works
when
we
get
back
into
city
hall
together,
because
I
do
think
that
that
is
once
we're
all
together
on
the
dais,
I
think
think
things
operate
or
will
operate
differently.
We've
been
a
year
like
this,
and
it's
really,
it
is
hard
to
zoom
in
we've.
D
Adapted
we've
learned
how
to
deal
with
it,
but
it
isn't
the
same
connectivity
that
we
get
the
same
level
of
humanity
that
we
get
addressing
to
each
other
each
other.
D
I
can't
look
you
in
the
eye
and
know
that
I'm
you
can't
see
my
face
and
know
that
I'm
looking
directly
at
you
and
smiling
at
you,
I'm
just
smiling
in
general,
at
the
zoom
camera,
so
we've
we've
lost
that
a
little
bit,
and
I
look
forward
to
getting
back
to
that
when
we're
back
at
city
hall,
there
are
other
ways
that
we
can
make
our
meetings
more
effective
and
more
efficient
as
they
relate
to
staff
and
one
of
those
we
talked
about,
which
is
reducing
the
length
of
the
staff
presentation.
D
That
will
benefit
staff
too,
because
they
won't
be
needing
to
prepare
an
hour-long
presentation
and
they
should
also
be
prepared,
as
someone
mentioned,
I
forget
which
council
member
that,
as
we're
getting
towards
the
end
of
the
day,
to
to
not
offer
a
presentation
whether
they,
even
if
they
have
one
just
to
be
as
flexible,
because
we
need
to
be
flexible
too.
D
For
me,
this
isn't
about
limiting
debate
as
much
from
the
council,
although
I
do
really
like
the
round
robin
because
sometimes
I
have
questions
and
I'm
checking
them
off,
as
other
people
are
asking
them
and
by
the
time
it
gets
to
me,
I
think,
oh
okay.
Well
all
my
questions
are
sort
of
asked,
but
not
really-
and
we've
been
an
hour
on
this
subject.
I
think
we've
we've
discussed
it
enough,
so
I'm
ready
kind
of
ready
to
vote,
but
really
it's
more
about
listening
to
our
community.
D
The
the
way,
if
our,
if
our
as
we
get
to
each
policy
item,
is
more,
everyone
has
a
voice,
we're
able
to
have
more
of
a
discussion
and
a
debate
that
should
allow
more
opportunity
for
our
community
to
to
weigh
in
beforehand
on
with
two
minutes
and
not
being
limited,
limiting
them
to
one
minute,
because
I
see
that
as
a
disservice.
D
The
other
thing
that
we
can
do
for
the
community
is
to
have
time
certain
presentations
where
or
when
we're
going
to
have
an
item,
and
we
know
which
ones
there
are
we
that
will
be
hotly
rep.
That
will
have
a
lot
of
community
input,
for
example,
when
opportunity
housing
comes
before
us.
We
should
put
that
towards
the
front
of
the
agenda,
because
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
people,
probably
who
want
to
speak
on
it
and
we'll
want
to
hear
from
them
both
sides.
So
I
think
we
can
do
that
as
well.
D
How
we
manage
the
meeting
itself,
how
we
manage
the
agenda
and
and
that
going
forward,
we
can
be
more
productive
in
in
that
way.
I'm
going
to
support
the
motion,
I
think
it's.
It
was
well
crafted
it's
taken
into
consideration
everyone's,
at
least
it
sounds
like
there's
a
majority
consensus
which
I
think,
and
it's
more
than
just
a
majority.
It
sounds
like
almost
everyone.
If
not
everyone
will
agree.
I
don't
know
till
the
vote
happens,
but
it
sounds
that
way
and
that's
a
good
thing.
D
I
think
that's
I
had
one
other
point
and
I've
forgotten
what
it
was
and
because
I've
forgotten
what
it
was,
I'm
just
gonna
leave
it
at
that
and
say,
let's
make
these
meetings
more
efficient,
and
I
appreciate
all
of
your
comment
comments.
They've
they've
resonated
with
me
and
I
hope
we
have.
We
are
having
a
good
debate
on
a
subject
that
requires
one.
Thank
you.
B
P
I'm
going
to
try
my
video
on,
but
if,
if
I
get
stuck,
please
let
me
know,
and
I
will
take
it
right
off,
because
I
also
want
to
look
you
in
the
eye
by
smear.
P
I
also
do
miss
being
in
person.
There's
there
there's,
I
think,
an
ability
to
connect
and
maybe
be
on
the
same
page
when
we
read
into
you,
know
the
signals
that
we've
all
learned
and
as
we've
grown
up
to
to
read
our
social
cues
right
when
we
can
press
on
a
little
bit
more
when
people
are
confused.
P
Unfortunately,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
as
neutral
as
possible,
we
probably
have
a
very
neutral
stance
and
in
terms
of
our
looks
in
in
zoom,
and
so
we
miss
a
bit
of
that
human
connection,
and
so
I
absolutely
appreciate
being
able
to
be
back
in
person
soon
enough.
But
in
the
meantime
I'm
going
to
just
ask
if
we
can
repeat
the
the
motion,
so
I
can
be
clear
about
what
we're
voting
on.
I'm
still,
not
I'll
be
honest
with
you,
I'm
still
not
there,
I'm
not.
P
H
Try,
yes,
the
memo.
My
memo
that
says
agenda
item
should
have
an
orderly
speaker
rotation
among
council
members,
which
starts
with
a
10
10
minute.
Initial
line
of
comments
and
questions
from
each
council
member
would
just
be
followed
by
successive
10
round
10
minute
rounds
of
discussion
and
time
from
those
increments
and
then
require
the
meeting
chair
to
apply
orderly
speaker
rotation
guidelines
during
council
discussion,
deliberation
expression,
for
example.
If
somebody
hits
their
time
limit
is
still
on
a
point
or
wrapping
up.
H
They
should
be
allowed
to
finish
using
natural,
stopping
points,
then
adding
that
staff
memo
staff
presentations
will
have
time
estimates
on
the
agenda
that
this
won't
apply
to
agenda
item
3.1
and
that
it
will
carry
us
until
this
will
apply
until
we're
all
back
in
person
at
council
meetings,
and
then
we
will
revisit
procedures.
After
that.
P
Great,
so
thank
you
so
much
tony
for
the
visual
as
well,
and
thank
you,
council,
member
cohen,
so
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
concerned
about
in
your
recommendation
number
two
it
says,
require
the
meeting
chair
to
apply
orderly
speaker
rotation
guidelines
during
council
discussion
and
deliberation
with
discretion.
P
H
No,
I
now
that
you
pointed
out
it's
a
little
clumsily
worded
so
that
wasn't
my
intent,
the
intent.
It
was
really
about
how
to
end
the
10
minutes
and
not
about
the
order.
So
I
mean
if
we
need
to
clarify
the
language.
My
my
motion
would
be
that
the
order
is
still
the
order
people
put
their
hands
up,
but
that
the
chairs
discretion
is
on.
When
the
end
of
the
individual's
comments
comes
and
the
next
person
will
begin.
P
All
right
so
so
you
may
want
to
change
this.
To
be
more
specific
to
that.
P
I
I
absolutely
I'm
supportive
of
of
that,
but
I
think
if,
if
you're
going
to
switch
speaker
rotation,
this
has
happened
to
me
in
the
past
there's
times
where
I
just
stay
quiet
and
I
let
it
go
up
until
a
point
where
I
can
no
longer
just
be
quiet,
and
I
have
said
things-
and
you
all
have
heard
me,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
have
to
do
that,
each
and
every
time
I
don't
have
a
discussion
with
the
chair
about
when
my
turn
was,
and
so
I
I
really
would
appreciate
some
clarification
or
just
some
a
more
clear,
a
guidance
on
that
item
number
two
and
then
the
the
the
other
item
that
I
had
brought
up
earlier,
and
that
is
so
my
you
know.
P
My
10
minutes
are
running
I'm
at
5
10.,
but
I
asked
you
a
question
and-
and
I
wasn't
sure
council
member
coding,
if
you
were
going
to
answer,
I
thought
maybe
tony-
was
going
to
answer
it
and
review
it.
Some
of
that
time
was
taken
right,
so
it's
not
taken,
but
it
was
used.
P
P
If
I
ask
a
question
that
the
timer
would
be
stopped
so
that
staff
can
answer
the
question
and
then
that
they're
not
under
the
gun
of
of
a
of
a
10
minute
limit
or
that
I
would
be
upset
with
with
the
the
response
of
staff,
because
they
took
three
minutes
to
answer
my
questions
or
four
minutes.
To
answer
my
question
right.
P
I
want
a
a
very
thorough
answer,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
exactly
punish
a
thorough
answer
and
I
want-
and
I
don't
want
to
encourage
a
superficial
answer,
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
you
can
have
a
that.
You
can
accept
a
friendly
amendment
that
the
timer
end
or
the
timer
is
on
on
hold
or
on
pause,
while
staff
answers
the
question
of
a
council
member.
H
Well,
let
me
just
say
out
for
your
first
point:
I
will
accept
the
friendly
amendment
about
clarifying
the
language
that
the
order
of
speakers
is
not
at
the
chair
of
discretion
but
based
on
hand
raised.
I
I
won't
accept
the
second
one,
partly
because
I
don't
believe
in
over
prescribing-
and
I
do
think
that
that's
part
of
what
I
meant
by
chairs
discretion
is
that
the
time
is
I
mean
you
know.
H
If,
if
you
know
a
lot
of
your
time
is
taken
up
by
staff,
and
I
would
think
the
chair
would
say
you
know
we'll
let
the
person
have
a
little
more
time
in
reality,
the
procedure
here
is
to
is
to
rotate,
and
you
know,
even
if
you
watch
it's
interesting,
you
watch
the
us
senate
and
they
ask
10
minutes
of
questions.
They
have
a
strict
10
minute
limit.
That
includes
the
answers
and
you
often
hear
them
cutting
off
the
staff
and
saying
okay,
I
got
the
answer
and
they
they
intentionally
do
that.
H
P
I
need
to
point
this
out,
but
you're
already
over
prescribing
by
merely
having
this
memo
and
having
this
discussion,
so
I
don't
know
that
you
can
actually
adhere
to
that
anyways,
and
I
know-
and
I
make
my
last
point-
that
congress
doesn't
have
a
brown
axe,
so
they
can
pr
privately
talk
and
count,
votes
and
negotiate.
P
We
can't-
and
so
that
is
the
other
issue,
that
we
also
have
to
take
into
account.
I'm
obviously
not
supportive
of
this
restrictive
conversations
and
and
as
much
as
I
want
to
be,
you
know
supportive
of
of
having
constructive
conversations,
which
I
I
am.
I
just
don't
know
that
this
for
me
really
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
But
I
appreciate
everybody's
input
and
I
appreciate
your
consideration
for
my
fee.
My
input,
I
just
there's
a
lot
more
there's
a
lot
more
important
things
here
than
this.
G
Thank
you
vice
mayor,
I
I
am
actually
hesitant
to
accept
that
amendment
because
I
don't
know
if
the
intent
is
to
override
the
the
orderly
speaker
rotation,
where
people
who
have
not
yet
spoken
go
before
people
who
have
already
spoken.
So
I
this
is
where
I
think
it's
becoming
over
prescriptive.
So
I
don't
accept
that.
B
Okay,
councilmember
cohen.
H
Okay,
I'm
just
going
to
be
very
quick
to
say
I
very
much
appreciate
the
comments
of
most
of
my
colleagues
and
what
they
said
about
the
importance
of
listening
to
each
other's
voices.
That's
that's
the
spirit
of
my
proposal
because
I
think
that
listening
and
two
more
voices
on
the
council
before
we
get
to
the
end
of
this
discussion
is
valuable
and
I
learn
a
lot
from
listening
to
all
of
you
and
I
don't
want
to
limit
anyone's
amount
of
input
than
any
individual
council
member
can
give.
H
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
anybody
who
wants
to
weigh
in
on
a
topic
has
a
chance
to
win
on
the
topic.
I'm
proposing
the
same
procedure
that
the
current
san
jose
planning
commission
uses
at
their
meetings,
10
minutes
and
with
a
rotation.
That's
what
they've
been
doing
at
their
meetings
as
well.
That's
at
the
chairs
discretion
of
the
funding
commission,
but
you
know
we.
H
H
I
appreciate
a
lot
of
those
suggestions
and
I
think
it's
worth
looking
into
what
we
can
do
to
break
up
our
meetings
and
maybe
make
them
more
manageable,
and
if
that
means
a
procedure
for
separating
them,
you
know
maybe
for
that
that's
kind
of
out
of
the
scope
of
this
proposal,
but
maybe
something
that
some
people
should
think
about
bringing
forward
for
maybe
for
next
year
when
you
get
back
in
person.
H
So
that's
it
and
I
appreciate
the
dialogue.
Thank
you.
E
Actually,
in
regards
to
that
last
comment,
I
wanted
to
see
to
add
yet
another
friendly
amendment
I'd
like
to
explore
further
what
councilmember
carrasco
was
mentioning,
and
I
do
recognize
that
now
the
current
motion
is
asking
that
we
will,
you
know,
suspend
these
these
regulations
or
guidelines
once
we
are
out
of
the
pandemic
and
out
of
maybe
these
virtual
meetings
at
that
same
point
when
we
rediscuss.
E
If
we
want
to
continue
this
or
not,
I
would
like
to
have
further
discussion
on
the
opportunities
of
potentially
having
closed
session
on
mondays
right
a
day
before
or
potentially
utilizing
wednesdays,
for
as
councilmember
krauska
was
pointing
out,
we
used
to
go
beyond
midnight
too
often
and
as
our
vice
mayor
helped
lead
the
charge.
We
we
put
our
midnight
deadline
and
I
believe
only
once
if
I
can
recall
correctly
at
the
moment
that
we've
actually
gone
beyond
the
the
midnight
deadline.
E
We've
well,
we've
gone
slightly
beyond
it
where
we've
voted
to,
but
where
we've
actually
gone
beyond
it
and
we've
carried
it
over
to
wednesday,
and
so
I
think
you
know
it
wasn't
meant
that
that
that
directional
change
was
not
meant
to
completely
cut
off
dialogue
on
tuesday
night
at
midnight.
E
It
was
meant
to
try
to
limit
it
till
midnight
so
that
that
way,
if
we
needed
to
carry
on,
we
could
do
so
the
next
day
and
not
be
so
exhausted.
But
we
really
haven't
used.
It.
We've
been
using
it
more
as
a
deadline
to
just
end
the
entire
meeting,
and
I
don't
think
that's
beneficial
either,
and
so
I'm
not
asking
for
any
change
immediately.
E
But
if
we're
going
to
come
back
regardless
after
the
pandemic
to
re-explore
this,
I
I
do
think-
and
I
wasn't
you
know
aware
of
how
some
of
the
other
councils
have
done
it
with
the
closed
session
a
day
before.
I
think
those
are
worthwhile
of
us
exploring
and
and
seeing
if
there
may
be
another
way
to
to
shift
up
the
format
altogether
to
free
up
more
time
on
tuesdays.
So
if
that's
comfortable
with
the
the
maker
of
the
motion,
I'd
like
to
add
that
in.
H
B
And
is
that
all
right,
okay
with
the
secondary
yeah?
Thank
you,
council,
member
esparza,.
B
Okay
and
council
member
arena
says.
P
Yeah
I
wanted
to
ask
what
was
because
councilmember
davis
didn't
accept
the
amendment
and
I
wanted
to
understand
what
was
it
that
I
wanted
to
understand.
The
reasoning.
G
Yeah,
the
so
what
it
sounded
like
you
were
wanting
was
the
speakers
to
go
in
the
order
of
the
hands
that
they
were
raised,
and
it
was
irrespective
of
whether
or
not
people
had
already
spoken.
So
that
was
in
in
my
mind,
it
was
taking
away
from
the
intent
of
around
robin.
G
No,
I
never
said
ryan
should
be
at
the
discretion
of
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
why
it
should
be
at
the
discretion
of
the
mayor,
so
that
people
who
hadn't
spoken
before
would
be
able
to
to
speak,
and
everybody
gets
a
chance
to
speak,
and
then
people
who
have
already
spoken
if
they
want
to
to
have
a
second
go
at.
It
can
speak
again.
P
Yeah,
I
never
said
that
what
I
said
was
it:
what
I,
what
this
is
opening
is
a
whole
rearrangement
of
order
based
on
the
chair
and
and
the
second
thing
is
you
never
outlined
that
in
your
in
your
memo,
so
that
could
have
been
clear
on
the
memo
to
have
the
intent
be
that
the
order
give
preference
to
people
who
have
not
spoken.
P
Obviously,
I
I
yielded
to
council
member
foley
because
she
had
not
spoken,
but
it
wasn't
clear
on
the
memo
and
that's
not
what
my
amendment
was
about
or
my
request,
and
so
the
request
was
to
be
clear
on
on
that.
So,
if
maybe
councilmember
cohen,
if
both
you
and
councilmember
davis
want
to
clarify
that
so
that
it
is
the
that
item
number
two
is
to
give
a
preference
to
council
members
who
have
not
spoken
and
if
that's
your
intention,
I
think
that
should
be
clarified.
H
I'll
reconsider
with
the
new
newfound
new
phrasing
or
phrasing
would
be
oh.
H
So
phrase
the
statement
to
say
that
the
that
preference,
the
the
chair,
will
apply
orderly
speaker
rotation,
so
that
those
who
have
not
yet
spoken
their
preference
and
the
chair
should
have
discretion
on
how
to
apply
the
time
limit.
In
order
to
let
people
use
natural
stopping
points
for
when
their
time
is
up.
B
All
right-
and
that
was
the
last
speaker,
I'm
going
to
support
the
the
motion.
My
objective
is
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
their
voices
heard,
but
we
also
take
care
of
the
people's
business.
B
There's
been
studies
that
have
shown
that
the
average
adult
has
the
attention
span
of
about
two
minutes
and
after
two
minutes
we
lose
them.
So
it's
incumbent
upon
all
of
us
to
try
to
get
you
know
whatever
points
or
questions
or
information.
We
want
to
get
out
to
do
it
as
as
as
efficiently
as
possible,
and
so
I'm
going
to
commit
to
reduce
the
amount
of
time.
I
I
talk
in
the
spirit
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
so
I'm
going
to
support
the
motion
and
we
have
no
more
speakers
so
tony.
O
N
This
is
the
we're
speaking
about
the
alfresco.
That's
correct,
okay,
good!
I
thought
I
heard
something
yeah.
I
think
I
think
you
guys
should
you
know,
give
these
merchants
something
a
little
extra
since
you
know
you
guys
let
the
county
abuse
them
with.
You
know,
50
times
the
fines
I
mean
who
are
who?
Who
is
the
county
to
abuse
people
in
your
city?
You
guys
you
guys
would
have
been
the
terrible
civil
rights,
organizat
or
organizers.
I
could
tell
you
yeah
you
need
to.
N
They
need
to
keep
it
because
these
people,
I
don't
even
know
how
they
stayed
open
after
a
year
with
all
the
rules
from
the
county
and
the
city
and
the
state
and
everybody
especially
the
county,
you
guys
need
you
guys
need
to
push
hard
against
the
county,
because
these
guys
it's
a
fascist
regime.
They
should
call
that
place
the
reich's
dog
where
they,
where
they
make
their
rules
but
yeah.
I
I
think
you
should
extend
it
out.
N
We
have
great
weather
here
and
it
should
have
been
like
that
a
long
time
ago,
downtown
you
wonder
why
the
downtown
fails.
You
never
allowed
him
to
have
it.
Never
allowed
people
to
eat
outdoors
because
you
were
afraid
that
someone
might
hand
somebody
a
cocktail
on
the
sidewalk
or
something
I
don't
know,
but
this
city
is
so
provincial,
it's
unbelievable,
but
yeah
I
would,
I
would
say,
keep
keep
doing
it
and
try
to
so
try
to
do
it.
N
So
these
people
could
stay
in
business
because
if
they
don't,
you
guys
are
going
to
pay
the
consequences
for
not
having
the
tax
revenue
that
you
think
you're
going
to
get
so
yeah
keep
it
going.
That's
all
I
have
to
say,
and
it's
great
sam's
not
there
today
I
mean
I
hope
he
is
listening.
Maybe
he
can
he
can
rate
my
decorum
thanks
a
lot.
L
Hi
boy,
thanks
a
lot
for
the
previous
item.
It's
it's
quite
a
learning
experience
we're
all
going
through
and
maybe
by
summer,
something
can
be
more
understandable
to
all
of
us.
L
I,
like
council
person,
crashes
ideas
a
lot
for
this
item
to
speak
on
alfresco.
L
You
know
this
kind
of
relates
to
a
bit
of
my
issues
about
you
know
in
this
age
of
kovid
we're
just
trying
to
find
ways
to
address
our
current
situation
and
our
future
and
it's
frustrating-
and
you
know,
food
distribution
issues
have
had
a
lot
of
concerns.
L
Al
fresco,
dining
has
had
a
lot
of
concerns
and
how
we
move
forward
with
these
things
in
the
future.
I
just
hope
we
we
take
in
all
parts
of
the
community
and
our
considerations,
and
that
makes
for
easier
ways
for
a
better
judgment,
and
I
remembered
the
item
that
I
previously
wanted
to
talk
about
I'll
talk
about
it
later.
I
suppose
it
was
about
the
tow
truck
issue
and
that
there's
good
tow
truck
practices
in
palo
alto
this
later
tonight
today.
Thank
you.
B
Good
afternoon
vice
mayor
jones
city
council,
my
name
is
nathan,
olshe,
director
of
policy
and
operations
at
san
jose
downtown
association.
Just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
the
staff
recommendation
today.
We
believe
alfresco
is
a
fundamental
tool
to
the
business
success
and
has
proved
to
be
fruitful.
We
have
witnessed
our
downtown
and
the
areas
of
the
city
survive
because
of
this
opportunity
and
we'd
like
to
profoundly
thank
all
government
parties
and
partners,
including
the
eight
city
departments
involved
in
alfresco
in
this
endeavor.
As
we
appreciate
the
flexibility
this
has
provided
businesses.
B
Our
team
at
the
san
jose
downtown
association
has
been
working
tirelessly
around
the
clock
for
the
last
365
days,
plus
to
ensure
businesses
have
opportunities
to
stay
in
business.
To
keep
folks
employed
and
to
activate
space.
To
consider
alfresco
at
boone
would
be
an
understatement.
It
is
a
lifeline
for
our
community.
That
said,
we
would
like
to
recommend
that
al
fresco
be
extended
to
december
31st
beyond
the
staff
recommendation
of
september
30th.
We
are
cognizant.
B
B
Thank
you
vice
mayor
johns
mayor,
the
carlos
city
council,
members,
eddie
trump
with
the
silicon
valley
organization,
I'm
here
today
to
support
the
extension
of
the
san
jose
alfresco
program
as
a
lifeline
for
small
businesses
and
restaurants.
During
these
uncertain
times.
In
particular,
I
wish
the
conversation
was
really
about
councilmember
davis
idea
to
extend
alfresco
forever.
B
Survive
in
the
in
the
absence
of
code
restrictions
and
the
inability
of
businesses
to
have
full
and
open
operations,
the
best
thing
that
the
city
can
do
at
this
time
is
to
allow
businesses
to
earn
their
own
income
and
to
earn
their
own
living.
I
think
this
is
what
this
program
is
meant
to
do,
and
we
really
need
to
be
talking
about
a
longer
term
extension.
B
We
support
the
san
jose
downtown
association's
position
to
extend
to
at
least
december
31st,
if
not
longer,
the
road
to
recovery
is
going
to
be
very,
very
long
for
small
businesses.
The
other
side
of
the
equation.
Beyond
simply
thinking
of
this,
as
an
emergency
item
is
the
fact
is:
how
are
we
going
to
facilitate
recovery
for
restaurants
and
small
businesses?
We're
going
to
need
many
more
years
of
this
program
being
allowed
them
to
expand
the
revenue
opportunities
so
that
they
can
survive
this
time?
B
I
Yes,
thank
you.
The
issue
with
alfresco
dining
is
that
it
was
first
given
as
an
option
in
order
to
sustain
the
businesses
at
a
time
when
mexicans
latinos
on
the
east
side
were
dying
at
the
same
time
and
in
increasing
ever-increasing
rates
of
death,
covid
infections
and
the
the
denial
of
of
income,
and
so
we
afforded
the
businesses
to
be
able
to
congregate
and
use
city.
You
know
publicly
owned
properties
in
order
to
maintain
solvency,
and
now
it's
become
an
expectation.
I
You
know
that
no,
this
we're
going
to
use
the
death
that
happened
in
this
city
in
order
to
fortify
our
kind
of
like
taking
over
real
estate,
we're
going
to
encroach
upon
the
sidewalks
we're
going
to
encroach
upon
the
streets
whose
infrastructure
was
never
designed
to
accommodate
that,
and
so
now
that
they
see
that,
once
we're
going
to
get
into
like
start
moving
away
from
more
and
more
coveted
restrictions
and
those
are
gonna
be
lifted
and
more
and
more
people
are
gonna,
be
dining.
I
B
Thank
you
paul
catherine.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
Your
time-
and
I
agree
with
the
previous
speaker
and
also
something
I'd
like
to
point
out,
is
that
when
we
allow
businesses
to
use
the
public
thoroughfares
that
way,
it
makes
them
inaccessible
for
people
with
mobility
impairments,
whether
it's
someone
in
a
wheelchair
or
someone
who
needs
more
space
because
they
have
crutches
or
a
walker.
F
F
To
me
is
that
when
you
keep
the
restaurants
open,
then
in
some
cases
this
means
that
their
employees
who
could
have
qualified
for
the
pandemic
unemployment
and
benefits,
can't
qualify
because
their
bus
is
willing
to
give
them
some
hours
or
their
boss
is
operating
and
it
you
know,
I
don't
think
that's
a
good
situation
either
and
having
the
worker
you
know,
and
then
the
workers
have
a
choice
between
well
do
I
want
to
go
to
work
and
possibly
catch
covet
at
work,
because
obviously
people
can't
wear
masks
they're
eating
very
few
people.
F
A
Thank
you
vice
mayor.
Thank
you
for
jumping
in
all
right,
we'll
go
to
council
member
davis.
G
Thank
you
mayor.
First,
I
want
to
thank
all
the
staff
in
all
eight
departments
who
have
helped
with
the
quick
implementation
of
alfresco.
I
don't
know
that.
We've
done
that
in
the
previous
extensions
of
that,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
did
that
the
outdoor,
dining
in
new
and
creative
spaces
has
been
a
hit
with
businesses
and
customers
and,
as
we
heard
from
businesses,
it's
been
a
lifeline
to
be
able
to
keep
people
employed,
which
is
very
important
for
our
entire
economy.
G
I've
also
heard
from
a
number
of
gyms
that
have
utilized
this
program
as
well
to
help
our
residents
stay
healthy
and
reduce
stress
during
the
past
year,
and
I
I
also
heard
from
from
one
of
those
gyms
just
this
past
week
saying
please
extend
this.
I
I'm
able
to
be
open
indoors
now,
but
I
still
have
a
lot
of
clients
who
are
not
willing
to
do
that
and
don't
feel
comfortable
and
and
it's
important
for
us
to
continue
to
be
to
be
able
to
hold
our
classes
outside.
G
G
Of
course,
we
know
that
we
are
not
out
of
the
woods
financially
or
health-wise
yet,
and
it's
still
much
safer
to
to
do
our
activities
outside
than
inside.
So
I
hope
we
can
continue
to
exercise
flexibility
and
have
these
creative
solutions
when
the
needs
in
our
community
change,
and
we
see
rules
as
a
way
to
help
but
not
hinder
progress
and
viability
of
our
businesses
and
our
employers
for
for
the
safety
and
health
of
our
employees
as
well.
I
did
want
to
ask
a
question
before
I
before
I
move.
G
Is
there
blog
a
a
reason
why
it's
september
and
not
december,
as
the
the
mayor's
march
budget
budget
method
had
requested?
Could
we
could
we
make
the
motion
for
december.
K
K
With
this
program
there
were
a
couple
of
reasons
why
we
thought
that
it
was
appropriate
to
to
extend
through
september
one
being
that
it
extended
through
our
our
months
that
had
the
best
weather,
and
we
know
that
in
kind
of
october
november
december
of
this
year
it
was
we
didn't
have
as
many
people
necessarily
interested
in
making
the
investment
in
the
the
outdoor
coverings
or
the
heaters
or
or
not
able
to
access
them.
So
we
thought
at
the
very
least
we
want
to
go
through
the
the
good
weather
months.
K
We
also
in
the
case
of
parks
and
plazas,
because
this
is
kind
of
an
ever-changing
dynamic
of
you
know.
The
tier
system
we're
we're
in
red,
we're
in
orange,
hopefully
we're
soon
in
yellow
and
out
of
the
tier
system
completely.
But
we
didn't
know
when
the
ability
for
special
events
and
or
outdoor
activations
might
come
back,
and
so
we
were
unsure
about
kind
of
the
cross
section
of
those
outdoor
events
and
activations,
with
folks
utilizing
parks
and
plazas,
most
specifically
for
the
the
alfresco
process.
K
And
then
I
would
say
the
the
last
consideration
was
really
that
the
budget
that
was
originally
allocated
for
alfresco
to
assist
businesses
with
parklets
specifically
and
then
also
the
the
staff
time
for
the
installation
of
the
the
parklets
and
the
the
street
closures
really
only
went
through
june
30th.
K
And
so
it
was
already
kind
of
stretching
that
budget
a
little
a
little
bit.
Obviously
we're
in
the
process
of
putting
together
a
new
budget
for
the
new
fiscal
year.
But
at
this
time
that
has
not
been
you
know,
voted
on
by
the
council
and
so
we're
still
technically
unsure
of
what
funding
would
be
available
to
continue
to
provide
that
that
assistance.
G
Are
you
finding
you're
having
a
lot
of
additional
folks
still
creating
new
spaces
or
are
we
talking?
Are
we
moving
more
into
maintenance
of
of
existing
spaces,
because
I
haven't
seen
you
know?
I
saw
a
lot
of
activity
over
the
summer
and
then
another
tranche,
I
would
say
kind
of
january
when,
when
people
freaked
out
over
the
this
second
wave,
I
don't
know
what
wave
it
was,
but
over
after
the
holidays,
and
then
I
it
seems
like
everybody
who's
who's
going
to
do.
It
has
done
it
already.
G
K
So
we
did
actually
just
install
two
new
parklets
last
week
on
friday,
yeah
friday,
and
we
do
have
a
few
other
requests.
It's
certainly
not
the
the
number
of
requests
that
we
had
previously,
but
we
are
getting
one
to
you
know,
requests
on
kind
of
a
relatively
steady
basis.
G
Yeah-
and
I
I'm
I'm
not
sure
if
someone
from
parks
is
here
but
bloggy,
you
would
know
the
the
parks
and
plazas
issue
are
there.
I
I
don't
know
how
many
folks
are
doing
business
in
in
parks
and
plazas,
as
opposed
to
in
parking
lots
and
and
sidewalks
and
parking
spaces.
Can
you
give
me
a
sense
of
of
what
that?
What
that
is.
K
Yeah,
there's
certainly
more
activity
on
sidewalks
and
in
parklets
and
on
closed
streets
than
there
are
in
parks
and
plazas.
We
currently
don't
have
any
activations
and
the
plazas,
which
are
primarily
downtown
as
far
as
parks
go.
K
We
do
have
about
nine
activations
in
parks
in
three
or
four
different
council
districts,
primarily
6
7,
10,
1
and
4.,
and
we
do
have
three
or
four
applications
for
folks
to
extend
past
the
march
31st
deadline,
which
is
really
the
impetus
for
us
coming
to
council
today,
because
the
parks
and
plazas
expired
first
and
the
the
rest
of
the
orders
don't
actually
expire
until
the
end
of
june.
But
we
thought
it
just
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
bring
everything
together
and
extended
as
much
as
possible.
K
Staff
is
not
opposed
to
extending
the
parks
and
the
plazas
through
the
end
of
the
calendar
year,
and
I
think
what
we
would
just
want
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
accommodate
the
the
applications
that
have
already
been
set
forward
for
public
space
activation
in
parks
and
that
there's
no
conflict
there,
because
some
of
our
you
know
longer
time
event.
Producers
are
able
to
put
in
their
applications
a
couple
of
years
ahead
of
time
so
right
now
we
don't,
we
don't
have
a
specific
conflict.
K
We
were
just
trying
to
be
mindful
that,
as
we
got
later
into
into
the
summer
months
that
those
might
arise.
G
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
make
the
motion
to
extend
alfresco
through
the
end
of
the
calendar
year.
In
that
case,
it
sounds
like
staff
is
amenable
to
that,
and
and
also
that,
that
way,
you
don't
have
to
come
back
to
us
again
and
we're
in
line
with
what
we
passed
in
the
in
the
mark
budget
message.
Q
D
Thank
you.
I
I
support
the
motion
as
well.
Overall,
I
think
the
alfresco
program
is
a
lifeline
for
our
small
businesses
and
bringing
their
staffs
back
to
work
is
really
important.
Even
if
it's
just
part-time
work,
it's
still
really
important
that
they're
able
to
get
some
of
their
staffs
back,
but
I
I've
expressed
this
concern
every
time.
Alfresco
comes
up
because
there
are
some
businesses
who
have
opened
restaurants
and
and
bars,
and
such
outdoors
that
are
very
close
proximity
to
neighbors,
and
they
are
what
I
would
call
bad
actors.
D
So
can
you
blog
it?
Can
you
give
me
an
idea
or
someone
give
me
an
idea
of
how
many
com
many
complaints
we've
received
from
residential
neighbors,
resulting
from
alfresco
misuse?
For
example,
noise,
amplification
hours
of
operation
business
is
not
going
through
the
process
to
be
permitted
for
alfresco.
Do
you
have
an
idea
of
what
scope
we
have
and
what
that
level
is?
How
many.
K
So,
council
member,
I
do
not
have
that
number
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
rachel
roberts,
who
is
the
deputy
director
for
code
enforcement,
is
on
the
line.
So
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
call
a
friend
here
and
ask
rachel
if
she
could
chime
in
with
some
of
those
details.
C
Yes,
so
I
do
have
some
information
on
that.
As
far
as
the
concerns
that
have
come
to
code
enforcement
regarding
alfresco,
we
have
had
13
complaints
since
the
beginning
of
al
fresco,
so
those
go
back
as
far
as
april
of
last
year
and
the
most
recent
being
in
february
of
this
year
and
the
primarily
the
complaints
have
been
around
noise
or
concerns
around
some
of
the
structures
that
have
been
put
up,
for
you
know
providing
coverage
over
the
tables
and
that
kind
of
thing.
C
So
we
do
of
those
13,
there's
still
six,
that
we
are
working
on
resolving,
but
we
have
been
able
to
bring
seven
of
those
into
compliance.
So.
D
And
what
rachel?
What
does
compliance
mean
because
I
have
a
feeling
of
the
13
half
of
them
is
related
to
one
of
my
businesses
in
district
9.
right,
because
it's
right
next
to
homes
and
they're
outdoors
and
they've
got
amplification,
and
originally
they
didn't
even
have
permits
to
operate
al
fresco.
So
13
isn't
very
many,
so
that's
good
to
hear.
D
C
So
we
we
first
make
sure
that
they're
in
alignment
with
the
requirements
of
the
alfresco
program,
and
then
we
also
look
at
any
any
regulations
that
they
may
be
in
violation
of
that
aren't
part
of
that
program,
but
are
still
required
to
be
met.
C
So
in
this
instance
you
know
we
would
continue
to
work
with
them,
just
like
in
the
other
code
enforcement
case,
until
we
can
get
compliance
and
compliance
for
that
type
of
thing
would
be
that
we've
seen
them
demonstrate
consistently
that
they
are
in
alignment
with
the
code
requirements.
So
if
we
can't
get
that
level
of
compliance,
then
you
know
we
would
have
to
move
to
our
next
level
of
enforcement.
So
hopefully
that
won't
be
the
case.
C
Hopefully
we
will
find
an
amicable
solution,
but-
and
I
know
we
haven't
quite
gotten
to
that
point
for
these
cases
yet,
but
we
definitely
can
coordinate
with
you
on
that
specific
concern,
as
well
as
any
others
that
we're
seeing
out
here
in
the
city.
D
C
Yes,
so
it
depends.
We
usually
follow
two
paths
so
there's
either
the
a
citation
or
a
compliance
order
and
with
with
a
noise
type
of
violation,
if
that
were
to
fall
under
a
zoning
requirement,
type
of
violation.
That
would
be
a
compliance
order
and
so
it's
administrative
process
where
they're
given
a
date
to
comply,
and
if
that
doesn't
happen,
we
can
find
per
day
for
non-compliance,
but
that
all
needs
to
be
heard
by
our
hearing
body,
which
is
the
pills
hearing
board.
C
If
we
get
to
the
point
at
which
we
are
going
to
assess
those
fines
and
penalties
against
the
property,
so
that's
a
bit
ways
down
the
road
and
we
always
try
to
work
with
the
customers
to
get
compliance
before.
We
have
to
go
that
route,
but
there
is
those
we
have
that
capability
in
place.
D
Okay
and
our
hours
of
operation
included
in
the
al
fresco
guidelines
that
they
can
only
open
stay
open
to
a
certain
amount
of
time
or
a
certain
hour.
Does
the
hours
of
operation
stay
with
whatever
their
business
was
set
up
to
have
hours
of
operation
say
the
business
is
able
to
stay
open
until
two
o'clock
in
the
morning?
Can
they
have
the
alfresco
open
until
two
o'clock
in
the
morning?
That's
just
an
example.
K
I'm
actually
going
to
defer
to
block
a
on
that
one.
So
yes,
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
that
and
with
the
outdoor
operations
under
al
fresco,
it's
10
p.m.
Is
the
cut
off,
except
for
in
the
downtown,
which
was
a
council
amendment
to
the
other
operating
hours
downtown,
and
that
is
until
midnight.
K
As
long
as
they
are
as
long
as
they
are
operating
their
outdoor
location
under
the
emergency
orders,
there
are
certain
folks
did
have
outdoor
service
and
outdoor
dining
under
their
regular
cup,
for
instance
in
the
downtown,
and
if
they
are
operating
under
their
kind
of
regular
cup,
then
they're
able
to
operate
under
within
the
hours
that
are
stated
in
their
pre-coveted
permit.
That
was
issued.
D
D
The
other
thing
that
I
always
bring
up
relationship
to
our
alfresco
is
ada
compliance,
we're
getting
complaints
from
people
in
wheelchairs
and
walkers
and
canes,
and
just
people
who
have
mobility
issues
that
they're
not
able
to
get
around
some
of
the
alfresco
buildings
and
or
alfresco
tents
in
part.
The
heaters
get
in
the
way
the
heaters
are
not
the
right
height,
there's
a
lot
of
ada
restrictions.
D
So
I
know
when
we
have
inspectors,
they
do
look
for
that,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
always
looking
for
ada
compliance
when,
when
we're
approving
the
the
alfrescos.
All
in
all,
I
think
it's
a
alfresco
is
a
great
opportunity
for
our
small
businesses.
We
have
great
weather
it's
great
to
sit
outside.
It
took
a
pandemic
to
allow
us
to
sit
outside
more
and
and
enjoy
the
outdoors
a
little
bit
more
at
our
restaurants.
I
would
love
to
see,
particularly
in
the
areas
that
can
handle
it.
D3.
D
For
instance,
san
pedro
square
has
street
certain
streets
closed
permanently.
That
makes
perfect
sense
in
certain
areas,
not
necessarily
district
9.
We
don't
have
any
areas
really
like
that,
but
it
makes
sense
to
close
some
streets
to
traffic
to
have
permanent
alfresco.
So
I
I
appreciate
your
answers
to
to
my
questions
and
we'll
support
the
motion
and
support
the
the
desire
for
our
businesses
to
get
back
to
work
and
thrive.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
councilmember,.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor
and
indeed,
something
that
I've
been
working
towards
in
a
couple
areas
of
the
downtown
for
the
last
several
years,
and
the
pandemic
has
created
opportunities
that
we
weren't
able
to
really
act
on
before
at
least
not
quickly.
E
So
I
will
be
supporting
this
motion
as
well.
I
I
do
think
that
we
should
be.
We
should
be
wise
and
clear
to
our
business
operators
that
may
be
utilizing
alfresco,
that
if
we
we
have
a
deadline
of
the
31st,
certainly
as
it
gets
closer
to
that
date,
that
if
we
think
that
there
are
certain
locations
that
are
not
necessarily
going
to
be
extended
or
if
it's
not
going
to
be
extended
sort
of
indefinitely.
I
know
that
that's
all
work
ahead.
E
We
don't
want
that
to
be
a
surprise
to
people
come
january,
one
that
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
you
know
hey.
This
is
it
so
I
think
we
we
should
use
that
time
wisely
right
after
the
summer,
because
I
would
agree
we
did
see
a
little
bit
of
a
less
utilization
over
the
the
the
cold
months
in
the
rain.
E
But
I
just
think
that
that
should
be
pretty
clear,
because
it
may
not
be
the
case
again
right
that
as
we're
talking
about
that
every
location
right
now,
that's
taking
advantage
of
alfresco
will
be
included
in
some
sort
of
permanent
and
I'll
say
semi-permanent
fashion,
because
even
though
there
may
be
some
areas
that
make
complete
sense
to
me,
and
I
think
they
make
complete
sense
to
others
like
san
pedro,
blage
will
will
attest
easier
said
than
done
and-
and
you
know
I
think
that's
one
of
the
conversations
that
came
up
was
even
the
wording
of
you
know.
E
Making
alfresco
permanent
generates
a
reaction
that
that
may
not
you
know
in
in
interpretations
of
what
that
means.
E
That
may
not
be
the
case
and
and
can
set
us
down
some
complicated
paths,
and
so
one
of
the
conversations
I
had
an
internal
meeting
with
city
staff
last
week
in
looking
at
the
san
pedro
area
was
the
notion
of
permanent
but
semi-permanent
meaning,
not
necessarily
permanent
structures
or
permanent
builds,
but
essentially
what
we've
had
today,
but
just
ongoing,
where
it's
still
you
know
it's
still
equipment
or
chairs
and
tables
that
can
be
brought
out.
E
You
know
during
the
morning
and
or
before
business
hours
and
then
brought
back
in
at
the
end
of
the
night,
something
that
still
is
is
pretty
flexible
in
its
overall
use.
Even
if
we
did
have
some
closures,
more
permanent
closures
on
streets
like
san
pedro,
even
that
there's
consternation
regards
to
how
permanent
that
closure
may
be
and
what
the
opportunities
should
be
for
for
allowing
for
some
some
access
and
so
much
easier
said
than
done
it
was.
E
It
was
a
challenging
meeting
to
sort
of
come
across
on
on
what
the
the
I
think
the
opportunities
may
be
in
the
future.
But
I
think
that
one
thing
and
I
tried
to
make
that
clear
with
our
city
staff
at
the
meeting
last
week.
This
certainly
is
something
that
the
council
has
shown
support
for
right.
It's
not
just
something
at
this
point
now
that
there's
a
couple
of
us
that
are
interested
or
like
me,
have
been
interested
in
a
couple
years
of
the
council.
E
Overwhelmingly,
I
think,
was
interested
in
having
these
opportunities
all
throughout
the
city.
We
showed
that
you
know.
Last
year
our
businesses
have
shown
an
interest
in
taking
part
in
this,
and
we've
heard
feedback
from
the
different
business
communities
that
want
to
continue
it
on,
albeit
certainly
there
are
still
individuals
and
businesses
that
this
may
be
impactful
to
in
a
negative
way,
and
so
we're
also
hearing
that
type
of
feedback
as
well
as
we
maintain
some
of
these
alfresco
outdoor
uses.
It's
not
just
the
ada,
there's
also
businesses
that
maybe
don't
feel
it.
E
You
know.
For
instance,
we
have
a
dry
cleaner,
downtown
that
you
know
they're,
not
they're,
not
doing
dry
cleaning
outside
so
so
they're.
Not.
You
know
that
the
alfresco
doesn't
quite
help
them.
It
hurts
them
because
they
want
people
to
be
able
to
pull
up
right
to
their
door
and
and
drop
off
and
or
pick
up
their
their
clothes,
so
easier
definitely
said
than
done,
but
something
I
certainly
support,
and
I
think
that
we
can
find
pathways
forward.
E
I
hope
that,
as
a
whole,
our
city
staff
can
have
that
can-do
attitude
and
be
able
to
to
look
at
ways
that,
especially
in
specific
areas
throughout
the
city
where
we
can,
we
can
make
this
more
permanent
or
even
semi-permanent
fashions.
I
think
it's.
It's
certainly
been
something
that
we
don't
want
to
lose
an
opportunity
on
on
our
new
normal,
as
we
get
back
to
that.
So
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion
and
thanks
again.
C
Thank
you
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion.
I
just
wanted
to
echo
council
member
foley's
comments
and
questions.
I
also
have
received
complaints
from
residents
living
close
to
la
placita
and
other
areas,
and
I
do
think
alfresco
is
extending
it
as
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
we
need
to
support
our
businesses
and
frankly,
support
our
community
and
having
things
to
do
and
being
able
to
come
out
has
been
really
great.
C
I
A
You
all
right
well,
thank
you
to
plugging
the
entire
team
and
all
the
departments
for
your
efforts
to
make
this
work
for
more
than
130
businesses
are
registered.
We
know
many
more
are
actually
taking
advantage
of
this
and
we
want
it
to
continue,
and
I
think
we
ought
to
be
realistic
about
the
reality
of
this
pandemic,
which
is,
although
we
all
hope
everyone
gets
vaccinated
quickly,
and
we
do
all
the
right
things.
A
I
think
we
can
do
all
the
right
things
and
this
virus
is
going
to
be
with
us
in
a
pretty
substantial
way
for
quite
a
while
for
a
year
to
be
so.
This
is,
I
think,
the
way
of
of
pushing
commerce
outside
is
is
a
good
thing
in
many
ways,
and
I
think
we've
got
to
continue
to
accommodate
in
any
way.
We
can
so
appreciate
everyone's
hard
work.
Okay,
any
last
comments:
if
not
we'll
vote
on
the
motion
from
councilmember
davis,
jimenez.
C
C
O
A
J
Yes,
we
do.
Thank
you,
mayor
rachel
van
der
veen.
Our
deputy
director
is
going
to
share
her
screen,
so
I'm
jackie
morales-ferrand,
I
am
the
director
of
housing
and,
as
I
said,
I'm
joined
today
by
rachel
van
der
veen,
our
deputy
director
in
the
housing
department,
jennifer
chang
who's,
the
deputy
director
of
the
finance
department
and
jerry
driesen,
the
assistant
chief
information
officer.
J
J
J
J
However,
there
are
additional
benefits
to
affordable
housing,
which
includes
both
economic
and
health.
An
economic
benefit
is
an
increase
in
discretionary
spending.
Rent
is
overwhelmingly
the
most
expensive
expense
for
low-income
households.
Those
living
in
affordable
housing
are
better
able
to
spend
more
money
on
nutritious
food,
health
care
and
other
costs.
A
person's
housing
is
also
a
social
determinant
of
their
health.
In
addition
to
other
factors
like
income
and
education,
housing
is
a
component
that
influences
a
person's
physical
and
mental
well-being.
J
J
J
Next
slide,
the
occupations
of
our
residents
are
diverse.
It
includes
people
on
fixed
incomes
such
as
retired,
seniors
and
people
with
disabilities
who
have
few
housing
options,
including
minimum
wage
workers
such
as
a
fast
food
worker
to
retail,
salespersons
and
entry
level
elementary
school
teachers.
J
J
J
This
photo
shows
the
actual
list
of
apartments
that
includes
addresses
and
contact
information
that
we
give
our
residents,
who
are
looking
for
an
affordable
apartment
prospective
tenants
must
contact
each
property
to
find
out
if
the
apartment
is
accepting
applications
because
demand
is
so
high.
A
property
usually
accepts
applications,
maybe
once
every
three
to
four
years.
J
J
Language
daycare
and
transportation
are
added
impediments
which
create
additional
challenges
for
low-income
households
seeking
to
find
an
available,
affordable
apartment
and,
finally,
applicants
don't
know
their
current
place
on
an
eligibility
list
once
they
fill
out
their
application
they're
placed
on
an
eligibility
list,
they
have
to
continually
contact
a
property
manager
to
find
out
when
it's
their
turn.
This
is,
this
is
a
time-consuming
process
for
both
applicants
and
property
managers
next
slide,
and
actually
I'm
turning
it
over
to
rachel
all
right.
S
S
It
provides
a
shortened
digital
application
in
multiple
languages
and
reduces
language,
transportation
and
other
barriers
to
applying
for
affordable
housing.
The
system
also
increases
transparency.
The
process
for
applying
and
informing
tenants
on
where
they
are
on
waitlists
will
be
made
transparent
and
will
be
more
clear
to
residents
seeking,
affordable
housing.
S
So
the
issue
of
the
policy
discussion
related
to
tenant
preferences
is
actually
agendized
and
will
be
discussed
later
today,
but
what
we
have
been
advised
by
other
jurisdictions
who
have
implemented
this
type
of
policy
is
that
a
tool
such
as
doorway
is
a
key
item
in
being
successful.
In
implementing
these
policy
changes,
it
allows
for
consistent
preferences
to
be
tracked
over
multiple
developments.
S
S
The
county
is
currently
focusing
on
providing
permanent
supportive
housing,
which
actually
comes
through
residents,
are
placed
through
the
continuum
of
care
system,
and
so
the
county
has
worked
with
our
city.
To
have
us
be
the
lead
on
this,
because
we
have
so
many
existing
affordable
housing
units
already
that
can
quickly
implement
the
system.
S
S
88
bidders
viewed
the
rfp
the
city
received
one
response
from
exege
exege
is
the
vendor
who
helped
develop
the
san
francisco
dahlia
portal
under
under
a
contract
with
san
francisco
and
has
also
been
working
with
a
county
with
alameda
county
they've
also
worked
with
san
jose
and
san
mateo
county
in
developing
the
existing
phase.
One
portals
the
city
conducted
two
best
and
final
offer
processes
to
clarify
vendor
response,
incorporate
the
county
of
san
mateo
into
our
proposed
contract
and
reduce
the
implementation
costs
to
the
city.
S
This
is
a
true
entire
interdepartmental
effort
where
we
have
worked
with
the
finance
department,
information
technology
and
the
city
manager's
office
of
civic
in
innovation.
All
with
the
housing
department
to
develop
this
project,
the
it
department
will
serve
as
the
lead
on
managing
the
implementation
of
this.
S
S
S
Online
submissions
eliminate
transportation
day
care
and
work,
conflicts
that
currently
serve
as
barriers
to
accessing,
affordable
housing
applicants
and
other
key
information
will
be
available
in
spanish
and
vietnamese
tenants
can
choose
to
make
an
account
and
be
notified
of
future.
Affordable
housing
opportunities
by
receiving
updates
through
the
system
and
property
managers
will
also
benefit
from
the
portal.
Doorway
will
provide
postings
for
open,
wait,
lists,
manage
preference
preferences
lists
and
create
waitlists.
That
will
reduce
the
time
that
property
managers
currently
spend
on
all
of
those
issues
they
will
also.
A
Thank
you
very
much
rachel
and
thanks
for
your
work
on
this
really
important
initiative,
I'm
thrilled
to
see
it
moving
forward.
I
know
we'd
all
love
to
see
it
moving
faster,
but
I'm
glad
it's
moving
because
that's
it
is
super
important
and
I'm
going
to
be
stepping
out
for
a
moment.
I'll
ask
if
vice
mayor
can
step
in
we'll
go
to
public
comment.
First
and
we'll
start
with
mr
beekman,
and
thank
you
vice.
L
Hi,
thank
you.
Let
me
hear
to
to
first
quickly
offer
for
city
staff
in
their
public
meeting
presentations,
to
work
towards
their
better
ideals
and
not
be
afraid
of
better
openness.
Honesty
and
candor
can
be
important
concepts
of
creative
logic
based
healing
process
for
all
of
us
and
how
to
develop
a
possible
overall,
better
consciousness
toward
a
more
open
community
process
of
human
services
and
sustainability.
L
In
this
sort
of
public
meeting
item,
thank
you
and
for
all
public
meeting
items.
I
guess
it's
something
we're
trying
to
establish
and
work
towards.
So
good
luck
in
these
efforts
with
this
item.
Thank
you
that
you're
trying
to
make
something
accessible
and
understandable
more
understandable
to
the
public.
It
is
the
ideas
of
developing
trust
between
the
public
and
its
government,
and
you
know
so
good
luck
in
how
you
can
work
with
this
issue.
L
As
always,
you
know
my
my
major
points
in
life
right
now
are
are
the
ideas
of
really
how
to
describe
the
term
affordable
housing,
and
you
know
we
have
a
certain
set
of
terms
that
define
affordable
housing,
but
it's
extremely
low
and
very
low
income
housing
ideas
that
really
need
to
be
emphasized
in
in
how
we
talk
about
and
address
the
future,
affordable,
housing
and-
and
I
think
the
possibly
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
to
the
ideas
of
mixed
income
housing
and
I
hope
that's
the
mixed
income
housing
becomes
a
more
regular
conversation
for
ourselves
and
again
about
how
how
to
address
our
future
housing
issues
of
san
jose.
L
F
Good
afternoon,
mayor
council
of
housing
staff,
I
want
to
thank
housing
for
this
proposal,
because
I
am
one
of
the
people
looking
for
affordable
housing,
who
is
just
too
overwhelmed
by
the
current
process
of
trying
to
apply
at
hundreds
of
different
properties
having
to
call
them
just
to
find
out
if
I'm
even
eligible
with
my
income
level-
and
I
thought
for
a
long
time
that
it
would
be
so
much
better.
People
could
just
submit
one
application
and
be
on
everybody's
waiting
list.
F
The
way
college
students
filed
a
better
application,
whatever
it
is,
the
fafsa
and
instead
of
having
to
send
their
financial
information
to
each
college,
they're
applying
to
format
a
little
bit
differently,
but
basically
the
same
stuff.
F
One
question
I
have
is
whether
or
not
people
be
dropped
from
the
waiting
list
after
turning
down
one
or
more
apartments,
because,
if
you're
being
considered
for
any
vacancy
in
the
city
that
opens-
and
let's
say
your
name-
comes
up
on
the
waiting
list
for
property.
You
know
you
don't
want
to
live
at.
Would
you
still
be
allowed
to
be
on
the
list
for
a
different
property?
Because
I
know
that's
a
problem
with
some
programs.
F
T
Okay,
great,
thank
you
so
much
all
right.
This
is
tessa
woodman
c
and
I
guess
my
concern
has
been
about
affordable
housing
as
I'm
facing
it.
In
my
own
neighborhood
as
we
are,
our
our
neighborhood
was
zoned
residential
and
then
the
city
changed
the
plan.
T
That's
where
this,
the
new
housing
that
was
brought
over
the
historic
home
brought
over
to
the
on-ramp
of
the
280
and
and
housing,
was
denied
in
my
community
of
the
garden
alameda
neighborhood
that
we're
currently
trying
to
fill.
You
know
have
memorialize
as
historic,
and
you
know
they
said
no
to
affordable
housing
and
we're
getting
a
hotel
which
is
like.
So
you
know
this
is
this
is
the
way
our
city
planning
is
going
is
terrible,
and
so,
when
we
talk
about,
you
know
that
we're
trying
to
really
create
more
housing.
T
I
see
it
as
bs,
because
there
was
no
reason
for
that
to
be
denied.
It
actually
was
like.
Like
blair
was
saying
you
know,
it
was
affordable
for
middle-income
housing.
You
know
it
was
going
to
be
actually
home
ownership,
and
so
the
fact
that
that
happened,
that
needs
to
be
changed,
and
we
need
to
look
at
that.
I
want
that
evaluated.
I've
been
asking
planning
and
housing
why
it
really
was.
I
want
to
see
it
in
writing.
T
N
N
These
people
don't
care
about
you
they're
only
in
it
for
the
big
bucks
and
and
maybe
a
future
political
position
you're
full
I
mean,
can
you
imagine
how
long
it
took
to
talk
about
having
a
cafe
on
a
cafe
having
a
patio
on
a
city
street?
That's
not
even
being
used
because
no
one's
there,
because
a
cove
can
you
imagine
like
this?
Is
this
is
a
controversy
at
the
city
council?
How
are
you
going
to
have
a?
N
How
are
you
going
to
be
able
to
regulate,
manage
fine
pay
fees
whatever
just
to
drink
a
cup
of
coffee
on
a
sidewalk
and
you
all
of
a
sudden
all
you
people
think
they're
going
to
just
bend
over
backwards
for
affordable
housing
and
make
it
easy
forget
they
don't
even
make
driving
easy
anymore.
These
bike
lanes
that
completely
take
over
the
street.
N
N
They
want
to
think
about
what
the
fines
gonna
be
versus,
hey,
let's,
maybe
make
business
better
right
and
all
of
a
sudden,
they
want
to
hand
out
all
this
affordable
housing
with
what
money.
What
money
are
you
gonna
have?
If
you
can't
even
figure
out
how
to
tax
somebody
properly
to
have
a
patio
to
serve
a
cup
of
coffee
on
and
if
you
think,
you're
going
to
build
a
new
villa
new
urban
villages?
What
are
they
going
to
be
like?
Are
you.
B
Thank
you
bringing
it
back
to
the
council,
councilmember
man.
O
Thanks
vice
mayor
and
thanks,
jackie
and
rachel
for
the
presentation,
I've
just
got
a
few
quick
questions
and
I'll
just
say,
I'm
very
supportive.
I
think
it's
a
great
use
of
technology
seems
like
a
lot
of
potential
benefits,
and
I
know
from
my
time
in
civic
tech
that
exit
g
has
a
really
positive.
Reputation,
has
done
great
work
as
well,
so
just
to
run
through
just
a
few
quick
questions.
One
that
I
wasn't
clear
on
from
the
memo
is
why
santa
clara
county
doesn't
appear
to
be
part
of
this
partnership.
J
One
of
the
reasons
why
is
the
santa
clara
county
is
primarily
funding
through
measure
e
permanent,
supportive
housing
and
the
permanent
support
of
housing
has
its
own
priority
system
that
would
be
outside
of
this
system
to
begin
with,.
O
S
Yeah,
so
I
also
just
wanted
to
add
that
the
two
things
number
one
santa
clara
county
is
actually
very
interested
in
this.
So
I
I
definitely
want
to
make
that
clear.
They're
interested
we've
been
talking
to
them.
We
actually
santa
clara
county
hosts
a
meeting.
That's
held
regularly
with
housing,
housing
staff
from
all
of
the
cities
in
the
county,
and
we've
had
multiple
presentations
on
doorway,
they're,
very
interested
and
the
way
that
we
designed
this
procurement.
S
We
did
it
with
a
lot
of
intentionality
so
that
the
other
jurisdictions
within
santa
clara
county
can
use
our
work
to
basically
move
right
through
the
procurement
process.
Use
our
work,
use
our
hard
work
on
the
procurement
process
and
and
move
right
into
either
some
form
of
an
agreement
with
the
city
as
the
lead
or
as
or
they
can
enter
into
their
own
agreements
with
exege
directly.
S
So
so
we
did
all
of
that
work
on
the
front
end
intentionally
and
talked
to
them
about
it,
and
let
them
know
along
the
way
that
that's
how
we
were
designing
it.
So
again,
the
county
is
very
interested,
but
also
the
reason
that
san
jose
has
been
the
lead
versus
the
county
is
just
because
we
already
have
twenty
000
existing,
affordable
housing
units
that.
S
O
Great
thanks,
I
I
that
makes
sense
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
they're
interested,
I
think,
the
more
local
jurisdictions
that
participate,
probably
the
more
valuable
the
portal.
I
was
also
thinking
about
this
from
a
cost
sharing
perspective.
It
would,
you
know,
be
great
to
have
others
health
pay
for
the
build
out,
but
that
that
sounds
good
and
then
how
do
we
get
people
to
the
portal?
I
know
from
building
technology,
sometimes
the
distribution
and
getting
people
there
is
as
hard
or
harder
than
actually
building
the
tools.
S
So
the
the
portal
will
be
available
and
it
can
so
what
we
would
do
is
prov
is
send
out
a
link
to
everything
everyone
we
can
think
of
who
is
looking
for
affordable
housing.
One
of
the
things
that's
interesting
right
now,
just
as
what
we've
learned
from
our
own
city's
website
analytics
is
that
one
of
the
highest
hit
pages
in
the
entire
city's
website.
Right
now
is
the
list
of
affordable
housing,
and
so
we
know
that
people
come
to
the
city
looking
for
affordable
housing.
S
They
do
that
now,
and
so
so
we
know
that
even
having
it
on
our
website
will
automatically
have
people.
But
beyond
that,
we
will
work
with
our
nonprofit
partners
a
lot
of
times.
Nonprofits
will
be
actually
helping
people
trying
to
find
housing,
so
we
will
be
educating
them
and
we
will
be
just
pushing
it
out
to
as
many
people
within
the
community
as
we
can.
O
Cool
yeah,
I'm
sure
and
I'm
sure,
there's
more
demand
than
supply,
but
that's
good
to
hear
that
that's
part
of
the
plan
and
if
you
ever
had
a
lack
of
demand,
I'm
sure
you
could
also
look
at
things
like
google,
adwords
and
search
terms
in
different
languages
and
and
find
people
who
maybe
are
going
somewhere
else.
Who
don't
know
about
the
city's
website,
but
that's
great
and
then
just
just
to
level
set.
S
S
S
So
we
would
expect
just
looking
at
information
from
san
francisco
just
because
they've
had
theirs
active
and
working
for
a
while
generally,
what
it
is
is
like
any
given
time
there
may
be
one
two,
maybe
three
openings
at
a
time,
and
so
and
those
are
going
to
be
open
for
maybe
30
days
and
then
what
they
do
is
they'll,
be
creating
a
new
wait
list
and
then
they
will
be
placing
people
as
vacancies
come
up,
so
it'll
be
a
couple
hundred
people.
S
I
would
say
per
year
that
are
going
to
be
placed
and
that's
going
to
be
based
on
turnover,
which
is
you
know,
kind
of
its
own,
its
own
thing
that
it's
a
market
right.
It
comes
up
and
down,
but
like,
for
example,
we've
actually
seen
a
lot
of
low-income
residents
over
the
last
year,
there's
been
less
movement
than
in
other
times,
just
due
to
the
covid
pandemic,
and
people
are
just
you
know,
trying
to
kind
of
hunker
down
and
not
make
big
choices
like
moving.
O
Got
it
okay,
so
maybe
a
couple
hundred
a
year,
but
with
growth
potential
and
then
a
lot
of
it
sounds
like
efficiency
and
time
savings
for
folks
not
going
after
leads
that
aren't
going
to
materialize
so
that
that
certainly
sounds
like
a
benefit,
and
I
assume
this
expands
regionally
with
more
partners
over
time
so
yeah.
I
think
this
makes
a
ton
of
sense
very
supportive.
I
will
move
staff
move
the
staff
recommendation.
P
C
Thanks
mayor,
I
I
just
wanted
to
I
support
this
and
want
to
thank
the
housing
department
for
their
hard
work
on
this,
and
thank
you
for
emphasizing
the
fact
that
the
county
is
involved
in
this,
and
this
is
the
role
that
cities
taking
on
for
the
whole
county.
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
This
has
been
attempted
a
few
times
in
the
past
in
the
past
20
years.
What
commitments
are
we
making
about
the
maintenance
of
this
portal
and
the
maintenance
of
keeping
up
with
stock
in
effect,
housing
stock?
S
Thank
you
councilmember
for
the
question,
so
what
we
are
doing
is,
I
think
we
are
going
to
be
working
together
with
our
property
managers
to
create
like
new
behavior,
if
you
will,
which
means
that,
as
they
have
an
opening,
we
need
to
work
together
and
make
sure
that
the
posting
is
included
on
the
site.
That's
really.
The
key
to
this
whole
system
is
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
of
the
postings
possible.
S
So
so
we
will
be
actively
working
with
them,
we'll
be
having
them
very
engaged
in
the
implementation
of
the
system,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
think
is
really
important
is
that
there
are
familiar
faces
if
you
will
across
the
bay
area.
S
So
let's
I
mean
I'll
just
take
like
eden,
housing,
for
example
right
they
actually
may
have
developments
in
san
jose
and
san
francisco
and
san
mateo
county,
and
so
the
other
one
of
the
other
strategies
about
working
on
on
this
on
a
regional
level
is
that
they
will
just
be
it'll
become
routine
to
them.
They
know
that
when
they
have
a
posting,
no
matter
where
it
is,
they
need
to
use
the
system,
and
so
so
we've
already
found
that
that
people
are
getting
used
to
in
san
francisco
they're,
like
oh
yeah
yeah.
S
We
can
help
with
that.
That's
easy
for
us,
because
they're
familiar
with
it,
so
so
just
one
of
the
other
reasons
to
work
with
others
and
be
consistent
across
the
region
will
actually
help
our
property
managers
just
be
just
create
new
behavior
and
everyone
just
knows.
This
is
what
you
do
each
time.
So
that's
the
critical
piece
to
making
it
work.
Q
Yeah,
thank
you
also
very
supportive
of
this.
I,
I
guess
what
I'm
curious
about
is
trying
to
make
people
aware
about
the
aware
of
this,
and
I
know
councilmember
mayhem
touched
on
this,
but
I'd
be
curious.
If
you
see
any
value
of
sort
of
mandating
posting
of
a
flyer
of
some
sort
at
these
different
locations,
I
think
people
still
when
they're
looking
for
affordable
housing
to
certainly
surf
the
net
and
maybe
make
some
phone
calls.
But
I
know
just
from
experience
growing
up
and
having
family
members
still
live
in
affordable
housing.
Q
There's
folks
that
actively
visit
some
of
the
locations
right
that
eat
in
housing
or
wherever
it
may
be,
and
so
what
I'm
curious
about
is.
Is
it?
Do
we
envision
sort
of
and
see
any
value
in
having
a
prominently
sort
of
placed
informational
flyer
as
it
relates
to
the
portal
right?
Q
So,
let's
just
say,
I'm
visiting
a
lot
of
locations,
but
the
first
location
I
visit
is
eden,
housing
or
one
of
the
locations,
and
then
there
is
where
I
made
aware
of
the
portal
and
from
there
on
you
know,
I
would
switch
to
online
and
just
access
it
that
way,
rather
than
visiting
every
different
location.
I
I
just
wonder
if
you
see
any
value
in
something
like
that.
S
Yes,
thank
you
councilmember.
I
think
that
is
a
a
good
idea
because,
as
as
you're
saying
again,
we
we
need
to
teach
people
how
to
find
this
is
going
to
be
something
new
and
I
think
you're
right.
S
I
think
that
there
are
people
who
will
who
are
familiar
with
the
concept
of
actually
going
to
the
affordable
housing
to
try
and
find
out
how
they
can
get
in,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
we
as
we
move
towards
our
launch,
we
can
work
with
our
communications
team
to
develop
that
type
of
communication.
Q
P
Thank
you
mayor.
I
have
a
follow-up
question
to
a
point
that
council
member
esparza
brought
up
in
terms
of
how
will
you
work
with
property
owners
to
bring
them
into
the
fold
to
actually,
you
know
keep
all
of
this
up
to
date
because
it
sounds
like
this
could
be
a
whole
job
in
of
it
of
itself
right
will
there
and
I'm
I'm
guessing
property
owners
eventually
will
see
the
benefit
to
this.
Will
we
at
any
point
create
a
fee
for
this
service,
because
it
is
essentially
a
service
for
them
right?
S
Well,
thank
you
for
the
question
councilmember.
I
would
say
at
this
point
in
time
we
have
not
contemplated
that.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
to
look
at.
You
know
just
building
the
system
and
getting
the
buy-in
like
you
said,
but
I
think
that
that
you
know
over
time.
That
is
definitely
something
we
can
look
at
one
of
the
one
of
the
critical
pieces
that
we
considered
as
we
were
respond
building.
S
P
Wonderful,
the
the
last
thing
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
and
I'm
sure
that
you
already
have
this
in
in
the
horizon
rachel.
But
it's
making
sure
that
we
connect
not
just
with
our
traditional
partners
that
help
out
our
residents,
who
are
looking
for
a
new
place
to
live.
But
maybe
some
of
the
schools-
and
you
know,
through
our
mckinney
vento,
making
sure
that
they
have
access
to
it,
that
they
understand
it,
that
it's
coming
online
and
and
and
having
that
available
to
to
families,
especially
through
that
particular
program.
P
Thank
you.
Those
are
my
questions,
I'll,
be
supporting
the
motion
and
thank
you
for
for
the
work
towards
getting
us
online,
and
I
understand
why
the
county
may
not
be
on
board
at
this
moment.
Obviously,
they're
very
interested,
as
you
stated,
it
would
have
been
nice
to
have
some
resources
spread,
but
at
some
point
or
another
I
hope
that
that
could
still
happen
as
I
think
that
this
is
something
that
we'll
never
turn
away
from.
This
is
going
to
be
our
new
normal.
A
Thank
you
rachel,
thanks
again
to
you
and
dave,
boff
and
and
jackie
for
your
your
work
on
this
super
excited
about
this
moving
forward,
particularly
as
we
get
into
subsequent
phases,
so
that
folks
can
actually
submit
applications
online
without
having
to
print
them
out,
which
I
mean
I
I
think
about
how
challenging
that
is
for
me,
let
alone
for
those
who
may
not
have
resources
and
access
to
a
printer
and
things
like
that
and
if
they're,
in
a
library
for
example
or
so
I
just,
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
great,
to
see
this
really
move
to
the
next
level.
A
I
I
thought
there's
some
really
good
questions
already.
I
just
want
to
build
on
council
member
eranis's
question,
because
you
know
this
idea
of
maybe
using
this
as
a
on
a
fee
for
service
model
may
not
be
appropriate
with
the
100
affordable
projects,
but
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
consider,
for
example,
expanding
to
say
rent-controlled
apartment
complexes
where
or
you
know,
adus,
for
example,
or
other
kinds
more
naturally
occurring
affordable
housing,
where
we
could
in
fact
be
performing
a
service
for
a
landlord
who'd,
be
willing
to
pay
us.
A
Some
fee
that
would
help
us
maintain
a
system
and-
and-
and
I
know
that's
not
the
way
it's
currently
designed,
but
you
know,
we
know
that
affordable
housing
can
come
in
lots
of
different
forms
and
obviously
the
subsidized
restricted
is
is
the
premium,
but
does
it
is
it?
J
Actually,
when
the
ibm
team
came
forward,
I
don't
know
if
you
remember
the
team
that
helped
us
to
create
the
rent
registry.
They
actually
suggested
to
us
that
we
create
this
portal
and
you
know,
as
we
develop
a
better
relationship
with
the
landlords
from
the
community.
J
I
think
there's
always
an
opportunity
for
us
to
expand
the
portal
to
include
more
people
so,
for
example,
the
housing
authority
we
would
like
to
have
them,
use
it
and
they're
all
about
private
market
rate
housing.
So
there's
definitely
an
opportunity
there
to
expand
it
to
include
more
opportunities,
as
so,
for
example,
one-stop
shop
for
particular
housing
in
the
city
of
san
jose.
A
Yeah
I'd
be
really
interested
in
seeing
that
I
know,
we've
got
to
walk
before
we
can
run,
but
you
know
I
know
apartments,
for
example,
on
south
11th
street
that
are
renting
out
tenants
now
that
are
below
60
percent
ami
rents,
but
they
are
theoretically
you
know,
market
rate,
rent
controlled
apartments,
and
so
I'm
sure
that's
true,
some
adus
and
other
things
where
we
could
actually
provide
pretty
affordable
options
to
folks
that
aren't
in
our
stable,
and
I
guess,
as
I
think
about
that
stable.
A
I
know
the
report
also
mentioned
that
section
8
is
not
currently
incorporated,
and
I
know
you
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
county
rachel
but
interested
about
the
county
housing
authority.
Specifically,
how
likely
is
it
that
we
can
pull
them
into
this.
S
We've
actually
been
working
quite
a
bit
with
them:
we've
had
them
they've
act.
The
santa
clara
housing
authority
has
been
attending
all
of
our
regional
meetings
and
has
been
very
engaged,
and
so
I
think
that
both
I
think
they
see
opportunity.
I
think
we
see
opportunity
and
again,
like
you
said
as
when
you
are
someone
who
is
looking
for
affordable
housing.
S
You
may
not
understand
the
difference
between
getting
on
a
list
for
section
8
and
getting
on
a
list
for
an
affordable
housing
development.
It's
kind
of
it's
confusing,
and
so
it
is
one
of
our
goals
to
bring
that
together
and
have
again
create
one
place
where
you're
looking
for
these
different
opportunities.
So
that
is
definitely
something
we
know
they're
interested
in,
and
we
want
to
continue
working
on.
A
Okay
thanks
rachel
exeggy,
as
I
recall,
that's
the
same
company
that
was
doing
dahlia
in
san
francisco
is
that
right
so
go
back
to
a
question
that
councilman
mayhem
asked.
You
know
we're
spending
1.7
million,
roughly
I
guess
and
and
as
we
think
about
what's
going
on
regionally.
Why
isn't
this
a
regional
rfp
in
which
we're
just
sort
of
paying
our
share
and
all
the
counties
and
cities
are
all
kind
of
going
in
together.
S
Well,
we
we
contemplated
that
along
the
way
several
different
times.
Part
of
it
is
just
because
we
have
different
jurisdictions
in
different
places
like
different
points
in
their
own
journey
right.
S
So,
for
example,
obviously
san
francisco
has
had
their
site
up
for
some
period
of
time
already,
the
county
of
alameda
already
did
a
procurement
process,
so
they
were
ahead
of
us
and
then
they
didn't
they
were
like
well,
no,
we
already
we've
already
negotiated
a
contract,
but
the
reason
that
san
mateo
county
is
a
part
of
this
is
because
they
were
right
at
the
same,
they
were
kind
of
at
the
same
point
in
time.
I
S
They
were
like
perfect,
we
are
ready
to
do
this.
We
can
work
with
you,
and
so
it
worked
out
with
them.
So
but
again,
what
we
wanted
to
do
with
this
effort
is
to
create
an
opportunity
for
us
to
do
more
of
that
in
the
future.
So
so.
J
Let
me
just
jump
in
so
mayor.
One
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
is:
we've
been
trying
to
convince
mtc
a
bag
through
bafa
to
become
a
regional
host
right.
You
maintain
the
site
for
this.
The
whole
bay
area,
so
rachel
has
been
negotiating
very
hard
with
all
the
other
cities
like
san
francisco
and
alameda,
who
are
already
ahead
of
us
to
say,
gosh
we
could
spend.
We
could
save
a
lot
of
money
if
we
all
just
came
together
and
you
know,
had
somebody
host
or
take
on
that
role.
J
A
A
I
know
councilman
peralta,
I
think,
is
on
the
abac
planning
committee,
I'm
on
the
mtc
of
course,
and
so
I
know
that
we
have
other
colleagues,
I'm
sure
we'd
all
be
happy
to
go,
put
a
memo
together
with
other
cities
electeds
to
say:
let's,
let's
do
this
together,
I
admit
maybe
heavy
lifting
staffs
of
staff,
but
you
know
we
can
just
ram
it
through
at
the
board
level
and
at
least
get
everybody
moving
together.
That
would
be
a
great
thing
and
is
alameda
county
using
the
same
vendor.
D
A
They
are
okay,
so
at
some
point
I
guess
we
could
piggyback
on
their
rp's,
but
anyway,
that's,
I
guess,
for
future
consideration.
The
final
question
I
had
was
well.
First
rachel.
You
suggested
we're
going
to
be
able
to
use
this
data
to
help
us
understand
better.
What's
going
on,
so
this
data
will
be
anonymized
so
that
we
can
use
it
for
policy
making.
Is
that
right?
A
Yes,
great,
that's
fantastic
and
then
the
last
one
I
promise
is.
You
know,
as
we
think
about
the
question
that
council
member
mayhem
raised,
which
is
how
do
we
bring
people
into
the
portal?
I
don't
expect.
A
lot
of
folks
naturally
would
have
downloaded
the
311
app,
but
I
just
think
about
a
one-stop
shop
and
how
that
3-1-1
app
might
be
a
good
place
to
include
a
link
and
poor
jerry.
I
know
you've
heard
this
now
43
times
from
us
hey.
A
This
would
be
a
great
thing
to
add
the
3-1-1
app,
but
I
just
thought
I'd
add
the
32nd
item
to
that
list.
This
would
be
a
great
thing
to
add
a
311,
app.
Okay,
thank
you
for
considering
my
input
all
right.
There's
a
motion
on
the
floor.
Any
other
comments.
Let's
vote.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
we're
on
to
4.1,
which
is
illegal
street
racing.
I'll
note.
The
time
is
a
509..
Why
don't
we
take
a
break
at
six
o'clock?
I'm
just
checking
here.
I
know
we
have
some
time
set.
Oh
wait!
A
minute
nope!
We
have
a
time
set
at
six
for
eight
point.
G
A
A
Okay,
so
let
me
let
me
suggest,
then
I
think
we
probably
should
take
our
break
now
and
come
back
at
six
o'clock,
because
otherwise
it'll
be
a
while
before
anyone
gets
to
eat,
so
apologies
to
captain
treyer
and
others
who
would
be
happy
to
present
on
4.1.
A
Okay,
we
will
take
a
break
then
and
return
at
six
o'clock
and
we'll
take
up
8.3
and
8.4
together
and
then
we'll
return
to
4.1
all
right.
Thank
you
all
we'll
be
in.