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City of San José, California
City Council Study Session - Google Downtown West Mixed-Use Development District Utilities of March 25, 2021
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D
While
she's
doing
that,
mayor
and
council
nancy
klein
office
of
economic
development,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
setting
aside
this
time
to
review
the
district
systems
proposal.
That's
a
key
component
of
the
district
downtown
west
project
and
I'm
joined
today
by
several
people.
Bill
eckern
from
office
of
economic
development,
who's
project
manager
from
oed,
carrie,
romanow
who's,
the
director
of
environmental
services,
matt
cano,
who's,
director
of
public
works,
laurie
mitchell
who's.
D
The
director
of
san
jose,
clean
and
available
to
answer
questions
is
alexa
arena
who's,
the
director
of
development
for
google
and
some
paul
dunn.
As
you
see
who
works
with
her.
I
do
want
to
just
mention
that
the
study
session
is
designed
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
district
systems
generally,
where
they
are
in
the
proposed
development
and
how
they
support
environmental
objectives
not
only
of
the
project
but
of
the
city
as
well.
D
The
city
of
san
jose,
as
you
know,
has
taken
a
strong
leadership
position
on
climate
action
and
sustainability.
We
have
ambitious
policies
and
guidance
and
they
are.
These.
Policies
are
set
out
in
the
general
plan:
climate,
smart,
san
jose
plan
and
san
jose
reach
code,
just
to
name
a
few
tara.
Please
go
on.
D
D
D
D
The
district
systems
approach
works
in
tandem
with
existing
networks,
limiting
the
stress
on
city
or
other
agency
systems
by
operating
more
efficiently,
the
systems
add
more
redundancy
and
capacity
and
are
more
resilient.
District
systems
have
the
ability
to
island
from
the
broader
grid
in
the
event
of
a
power
outage.
D
D
Google's
plans
include
the
ability
to
construct
an
integrative
program
of
systems
that
are
installed
in
a
private
conduit
called
a
utili
door,
which
is
also
not
solely
on
public
property,
but
on
private
property.
The
systems
planned
for
construction
within
the
utilitar
are
electric
distribution,
waste
water,
recycled
water
and
infrastructure,
and
for
heating
and
cooling
of
buildings
next
slide
and
how?
How
can
a
dis
district
system
be
implemented?
D
Above
you
see
excerpts
from
the
mou
that
speak
to
environmental
sustainability
and
the
development
of
district
systems
goals,
the
downtown
west
project
was
certified
as
an
ab-900
project.
Consistent
with
the
state
ab-900
program.
Ab-900
requires
outstanding
environmental
principles
and
practices
to
be
built
into
the
project.
F
Thank
you,
nancy
tara,
go
ahead
and
click
ahead.
Mr
mayor
city,
council,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here
and
talk
to
you
about
the
district
systems
approach
that
downtown
west
is
proposing.
Okay,
as
nancy
alluded,
the
program
that
google
is
proposing
aligns
with
several
of
the
programs
and
policies
that
the
city
has
in
place,
beginning
at
the
top
of
the
hierarchy.
F
With
the
general
plan,
the
goal
is
to
continue
to
be
a
major
contributor
to
the
city's
ultimate
goals
of
meeting
these
environmental
platforms
and
ideals
same
thing
as
you
move
down
through
the
climate,
smart
and
the
various
master
plans.
The
programs
and
the
construction
that
google
is
proposing
are
intended
to
help
the
city
meet
these
and
and
stay
consistent
with
its
master
plans
and
very
much
consistent
with
the
city's
new
reach
program.
With
all
electric
buildings,
google
proposes
and
entirely
electric
build
office
buildings
in
other
facilities.
F
F
F
This
is
just
a
graphic
showing
the
the
way
buildings
interrelate
with
the
central
utility
plant.
I
think
it's
important,
because
I
don't
have
a
better
graphic.
I
haven't
installed
one
about
what
a
central
utility
plant
would
look
like,
but
one
of
the
conversations
that
we've
had
with
google
and
of
their
interests
is
to
make
everything
that
is
environmentally
beneficial
in
their
project
educational.
F
They've
identified
we've
identified
in
this
slide
as
well,
some
of
the
ideals
that
google
is
looking
to
accomplish
with
their
utilities,
which
is
the
heating
and
cooling
systems,
the
microgrid
electrical
system
and
the
reuse
of
the
water
system.
At
this
point,
although
it
shows
on
the
slide,
we're
not
looking
to
deal
with
the
solid
waste
programs
under
their
current
proposals,
okay,.
F
Again
to
nancy's
point
the
one,
a
key
issue
and
a
key
point
to
take
away
is
that
google's
80
acres,
although
they
have
the
ability
to
stand
alone,
are
intimately
connected
into
the
city
and
other
municipal
systems.
They
connect
to
the
san
jose
water
companies
supply
in
order
to
provide
water
to
their
to
their
site.
They
that
water
is
processed
through
and
some
portion
of
that
then
is
discharged
after
it.
They
treat
what
they
need
for
on-site
recycled,
water.
F
F
One
of
the
systems
that
they're
looking
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
in
a
district
program
is
the
thermal
heating
and
cooling
for
the
different
buildings,
and
this
is
a
essentially
a
very
maturing
industry
at
this
point
in
time.
It's
common
throughout
the
world.
These
are
several
examples
of
projects
around
the
world
in
which
on-site,
heating
and
cooling
and
central
distribution
to
the
to
the
programs
and
the
offices
residents
within
these
areas
are
taken.
Care
of.
F
I
think
it's
critical
coming
close
to
home,
that
a
couple
of
projects
that
google
also
is
working
on
are
their
bayview
project
in
mount
in
mountain
view
and
another
office
project
in
sunnyvale
and
again
it's
important
that
their
these
systems
are
beginning
to
be
more
familiar
in
california.
Many
university
campuses
throughout
the
state
in
the
country
have
these
sorts
of
systems
stanford
being
a
notable
example
of
that.
F
F
The
opportunity
to
deal
with
water
on
a
district
level
is
also
very
important
again.
This
is
something
that
is
being
done
throughout
the
world.
The
technology
is
coming
online
and
again,
as
I
said
earlier,
it's
a
an
evolving
technology.
This,
even
more
so
than
that
heating
and
cooling.
I
would
expect
to
see
pretty
rapid
growth
in
implementation,
as
well
as
opportunities
for
technological
advances
for
the
use
of
various
types
of
water
in
these
in
these
districts.
F
It
not
only
moves
across
a
number
of
streets,
but
it
also
is
anticipated
that
it
will
cross
the
creeks
and
other
things
in
order
to
distribute
to
all
of
the
offices
and
with
the
potential
for
connection
to
the
affordable
housing
projects
and
and
other
residential
projects
depending
on
when
they
come
online.
These
would
be
the
scale
of
the
overall
infrastructure
system.
F
Okay,
the
next
the
next
slide.
This
is
just
an
example
of
the
scale
and
then
types
of
utilities
how
they
might
be
arranged
within
one
of
these
utili
doors
and
just
to
be
clear
this.
These
are
not
small
structures.
These
are
roughly
20
foot
by
20
foot,
concrete
structures
placed
well
under
the
existing
infrastructure
in
the
streets
so
that
they
are
out
of
the
way
of
the
other,
normative
normal
city
infrastructure
and
other
public
infrastructure
throughout
this
area,
okay,.
F
The
probably
the
most
unique
piece
of
the
discussions
and
and
opportunities
within
this
downtown
west
project
is
the
distribution
of
electricity
through
a
microgrid.
These
are
not
very
common
yet
really
in
california,
they're
beginning
to
gain
a
lot
of
traction
throughout
the
world.
People
are
beginning
to
try
a
whole
range
of
novel
approaches
to
providing
electricity
and
assuring
the
ability
of
their
programs
and
tenants
to
stay
operable
when
there
are
failures
in
the
broader
system.
The
three
options
that
google
and
the
city
are
exploring
at
the
moment.
F
There's
some
we're
continuing
to
work
with
google
and
on
the
on
the
various
steps
that
that
might
take
in
order
to
become
the
the
course
going
forward.
The
most
critical
piece
of
all
of
these
is
the
understanding
that
google,
as
any
developer,
building
infrastructure
for
its
use
and
for
public
use
would
build
out
these
systems
under
any
one
of
these
three
scenarios,
the
question
or
the
the
at
the
end
of
the
day.
F
Okay-
and
this
is
a
hudson
yards
program
in
in
manhattan-
new
york
is
an
example
of
a
an
existing
micro
grid.
It's
not
completely
analogous
to
what
we're
looking
at
in
california,
but
it's
a
good
example
of
how
these
systems
can
work
and
the
efficacy
of
having
a
micro
grid
system,
supporting
offices
and
retails.
Shortly
after
this
microgrid
went
online,
they
had
power
outages
in
new
york
city
and
they
were
able
to
the
op
the
operators.
F
The
owners
were
able
to
maintain
operations
by
being
by
relying
on
their
microgrid
system
as
a
way
to
power
up
the
offices
in
residence,
while
the
the
greater
consolidated
edison
system
was
down
and
recovering
through
for
storms-
and
I
guess
the
other
key
piece
in
this
that's
worth
noting-
is
that
the
microgrid
itself
is
not
owned
or
operated
by
the
owners
of
the
properties
and
the
development
per
se.
But
that
is
operated
by
a
separate
company
that
which
was
formed
in
order
to
to
own
and
manage
this
facility.
F
F
The
next
couple
of
slides
on
the
hudson
yard
just
talk
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
the
capacities
for
what
they
have
and
the
types
of
systems
that
they
have
in
place
in
order
to
to
to
deliver
that
to
deliver
the
services
to
their
tenants
next
slide,
and
I
again
they've
they've
done
a
rainwater
capture
system
as
well.
That
allows
them
to
to
operate,
and
also
the
this
highlights
again
that
there
is
a
third
party
operator
and
manager
of
the
electrical
system.
F
Okay,
the
process
for
ensuring
that
the
citizens
and
the
residents
of
san
jose
are
protected.
With
this
district
systems.
We
anticipate
taking
through
the
entitlement
process
at
the
same
time
and
in
the
same
manner
that
we're
proposing
to
take
vertical
development.
Another
development
within
the
downtown
west
project
forward,
which
is
that
once
the
overall
guidelines
and
approaches
are
approved
by
the
city
council,
this
spring.
That
then
the
individual
projects
and
the
individual
actions
would
come
back
through
a
process
of
conformance
review.
F
That
is
handled
at
the
staff
level,
with
the
departments
making
their
review
and
and
making
sure
that
conditions
and
the
work
is
done
in
a
satisfactory
manner.
So
this
would
be
a
very
analogous
situation
to
the
overall
planning
and
development
program
that
we're
looking
at
as
an
innovative
way
to
assure
that
these
projects
move
forward
across
the
board
in
downtown
west.
F
Okay,
the
key
to
the
city-
and
this
was
is,
I
think,
an
important
part
for
the
operations
of
the
infrastructure
itself
is
that
we
worked
with
google
to
make
sure
that
we,
as
staff,
were
satisfied
that
there
were
ways
to
protect
residents
and
tenants
in
the
case
that
some
form
or
other
failure
of
the
systems
occurred.
And-
and
so
google
has
worked
with
us-
to
propose
a
series
of
backstops
where
the
the
obligations
move
stay
with
the
land.
They
don't
run
with
the
development
agreement.
They
they
continue
to
stay
on
the
properties.
F
If
there
was
a
failure
of
the
microgrid
system,
if
it
was
privately
operated
that
the
the
obligations
for
assuring
that
the
project
pro
excuse
me,
the
necessary
capital
projects
are
developed,
that
the
rates
are
maintained
appropriately.
For
the
for
the
residents
falls
to
the
owners
of
the
office
buildings.
That's
in
the
future.
Should
google
sell
the
office
buildings
to
someone
else,
otherwise,
the
obligations
for
making
sure
that
the
rates
are
where
they
appropriately
need
to
be
and
that
the
systems
are
adequately
maintained
and
funded
would
stay
with
google.
F
G
Thanks
bill
so
and
just
for
context
just
wanted
to
remind
the
council
in
the
community
that
you
know,
while
we're
very
supportive
of
this
district
system
from
a
wastewater
and
recycled
water
perspective,
we
do
have
capacity
to
accept
the
wastes
generated
from
from
this
development,
and
then
we
also
would
be
able
to
extend
our
recycled
water
system
into
that
development,
which
would
then
also
enable
the
system
the
purple
pipe
to
continue
to
be
extended
beyond
the
system.
So
we're
generally
good
either
way.
There's
no
existing
system
constraints.
G
You
could
go
to
the
next
slide
from
a
permitting
standpoint,
and
we
would
you
know
because
they
want
to
do
on-site,
waste,
water
and
really
that's
not
something
we've
taken
on
before.
But
there
are
other
municipalities
who
have
already
gone
down
that
path,
so
there
are
folks
we
can
tap
into
and
there
is
an
existing
framework.
So
in
other
words
we
know
we
can
do
it.
G
Permit,
that's
something
that
we
require
all
large
dischargers
to
to
comply
with
and
that
lets
our
city's
pre-treatment
program,
ensure
that
the
waste
is
adequately
treated
before
it
enters
the
wastewater
system
and
and
also
has
a
a
process
to
provide
updates
as
nutrient
levels
in
the
bay
change
and
if
we
get
more
stringent
requirements
from
the
state
and
federal
government.
So
it's
a
process,
that's
very
similar
to
semiconductor
fabs.
It
used
to
be
true
for
the
the
other
food
distributors
in
manufacturers
in
the
city
as
well.
G
In
the
same
way
they
apply
to
every
other
resident
or
business
throughout
the
city,
and
that's,
as
you
may
remember,
a
requirement
of
prop
218
that
those
everyone
pays
for
the
services
that
they're
getting
and
that
there's
no
subsidy
we
had,
as
the
project
has
evolved
over
time
and
because
we're
not
familiar
with
on-site
wastewater.
We
do
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
odor
with
wastewater
treatment,
there's
no
odor
generated
from
the
facility,
so
we'll
ensure
that
the
project
mitigates
that
and
that
there's
some
checks
and
balances
along
the
way.
H
Thank
you,
carrie
lori
mitchell,
I'm,
the
director
of
community
energy,
as
bill
mentioned,
there's
three
different
options
that
we
are
considering
on
the
electric
distribution
system.
The
first
option
is
san
jose
owned
and
important
to
note
that,
in
all
of
these
options,
the
developer
would
put
in
the
infrastructure,
it's
just
a
question
of
who
would
be
the
long-term
owner
and
operator.
H
So
we
have
been
studying
the
initial
feasibility
of
the
city
owning
and
operating,
and
we
will
come
back
to
council
to
further
brief
what
we
found
there.
But
in
general
we
found
that
that
is
feasible,
that
there
may
be
benefits
both
in
design
flexibility
to
enable
some
of
the
components
of
the
microgrid
as
well
as
potentially
some
economic
benefits.
H
The
second
option
is
is
really
the
status
quo.
Although
there
is
a
new
microgrid
enablement
program
that
google
is
working
on
with
pg
e,
where
they
would
be
the
long-term
owner
and
operator
of
the
distribution
system,
and
then
the
third
option
is
privately
operated,
and
so
that
is
a
scenario
where
google
would
own
and
operate
so
next
slide.
H
So,
in
terms
of
future
considerations,
important
to
note
that
we
will
come
back
to
council
and
the
city
provided
service,
there's
a
number
of
actions
council
would
need
to
take
in
order
to
enable
this
option
formation
of
the
utility
and
it's
important
to
note.
We
are
looking
at
just
this
development,
not
the
rest
of
the
city,
but
that
would
require
future
action
and
approval
future
action
to
interconnect
to
pg
e's
transmission
system.
H
Their
additional
future
considerations,
including
google's,
currently
exploring
alternatives
to
cpuc
current
regulations,
the
franchise
or
another
appropriate
mechanism
would
have
to
be
considered
and
then
required,
permitting
details
and
compliance
with
the
conditions
of
approval.
The
next
slide.
I
think
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
matt
cano.
Here.
I
Thank
you,
lori
matt
kano,
director
of
public
works
and
bill
already
talked
about
the
utilidor
and
in
order
to
allow
the
attila
door,
we
need
to
go
through
the
city's
encroachment
permit
process.
The
a
lot
of
locations
where
utilador
would
be
or
would
be
crossing
would
be
within
the
public
right,
right-of-way
and
that
is
held
in
the
public
trust.
I
I
We
have
a
process
whether
it's
a
bart
or
a
or
a
small
pg
e
trench,
or
a
major
mutilator
structure
like
this,
which
is
obviously
extremely
unique
and
it'll,
be
very
exciting
and
interesting
to
work
on.
We
have
a
process
where
we
review
and
inspect
and
administer
these
permits
and
have
traffic
control
procedures
and
inspections
in
place
to
make
sure
it
minimizes
disrupt
the
disruption
to
the
public
when
it's
under
construction
and
under
use
next
slide,
please
it
goes
back
to
bill.
I
think
here.
J
D
Pick
it
up
thanks
to
me.
Thank
you.
I
know
in
a
short
amount
of
time
we
have
packed
in
a
lot
of
information,
so
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things
as
you
think
about
what
comments
or
questions
you
might
have,
one
that,
through
the
entitlement
process,
there
is
a
checklist
and
staff
delegation
to
review
the
conformance,
much
as
we've
talked
about
for
the
the
downtown
west
design
guidelines
and
that
the
district
systems
are
integrated
into
each
element,
including
the
zoning
and
infrastructure
plan
and,
in
fact,
the
design
guidelines.
D
Part
of
this
will
also
cover
the
ownership
issue.
Once
it's
resolved
for
the
microgrid,
the
checks
and
balances
we've
discussed,
set
out
a
series
of
priorities
on
how
the
systems
would
be
set
up
and
that
we'd
create
criteria
for
the
project
so
that
it
performs,
as
we
want
it
to
checklist
items
or
checks
and
balances,
include
things
like
service
level
rate
equity,
safety,
capital
improvements,
operation
and
ownership,
for
example,.
D
Next
slide
actually
go
one
back,
tara.
Sorry.
What
what
I?
What
I
wanted
to
conclude
with,
and
then
also
mention
our
next
steps
here,
is
that
we
are
very
excited
as
a
city.
The
intention
of
the
outcomes
of
the
implementation
of
the
project
is
to
deliver
a
truly
innovative
complement
of
systems
working
to
achieve
a
much
higher
level
system
or
a
manner
of
environmental
sustainability
than
san
jose
has
before
much.
D
Work
has
already
been
done
on
the
proposed
systems,
and
much
work
remains
to
be
done
to
achieve
the
ambitious
plans
before
you
truly
once
this
becomes
a
reality.
The
downtown
west
project
will
pioneer
the
next
level
of
urban
environmental
responsibility,
not
only
for
san
jose
and
the
state,
but
really
in
terms
of
the
country.
D
The
next
couple
of
steps
to
keep
driving
toward
the
reality
of
the
systems
are
one
as
lori
and
bill
mentioned,
you'll,
see
a
review
and
ask
for
a
council
direction
on
the
city
electrical
service
option,
and
then
the
staff
will
be
coming
forward
with
the
approvals
on
the
downtown
west
proposal
as
a
whole,
and
the
district
systems
approvals
will
be
included
in
those
actions.
At
that
time,
with
that
staff
is
happy
to
understand
what
you
might
be
thinking
and
also
to
provide
you
with
any
additional
information.
A
A
A
K
Okay,
I
wasn't
getting
dmu
so,
first
of
all
and
I'm
not
seeing
a
clock.
The
first
thing
I
want
to
make
very
clear
is
that
I'm
personally
absolutely
opposed
with
either
the
city
of
pg
e.
Having
anything
to
do
with
this.
This
should
be
designed,
operated
and
owned
by
google
and
nobody
else
end
of
discussion.
K
The
first
one
is
the
light
rail
tunnel,
the
reconnection.
How
are
we
going
to
be
reconnecting
the
new
lightrisk
station
to
the
existing
tracks
on
their
mass?
That's
one
thing
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
of
the
discrete.
The
other
element
is
the
underground
station
for
the
airport
connector
that
has
to
go
under
there
somewhere.
We
do
have
an
entrance
on
santa
clara,
but
we
need
another
entrance
at
the
corner
of
autumn
and
san
fernando,
and
these
are
my
comments.
Thank
you.
J
Yeah
paul
soto
from
the
horseshoe,
I'm
I'm
opposed
to
it
for
the
same
reasons
that
roland
is,
but
also
we
there
was
a.
There
was
a
discussion
regarding
this
last
february,
not
the
february
that
just
passed
the
year
before
that
and
what
google
is
going
to
try
to
do
is
because
they're
going
to
be
the
they're,
basically
the
leaders
in
quantum
computing
and
so
the
the
gen,
the
the
amount
of
power
that's
going
to
be
necessary
in
order
for
them
to
continue
in
that
quantum
computing
that
that's
going
to
be.
J
J
It
was
an
idea
in
the
minds
of
those
two
men
from
stanford
university.
That's
it
now
all
of
a
sudden
one
generation
later
they
are
exercising
this
kind
of
economic
power
and
disruption
to
the
infrastructure
when
this
city
itself
has
not
contended
with
its
historical
injustices
and
genocide
of
the
chicano
and
the
native
american
communities.
C
C
C
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
think
I
think
what
it
can
do
to
efficiency
and
and
how
government
can
have
a
an
important
part
in
the
process.
It's
I.
It
just
creates
a
good
organizational
process,
but
you
know
there
are
some
really
lingering
looming
questions
about
of
doing
this,
and
so
I
asked
for
caution.
I
asked
you
know
to
remind
yourselves
of
community
energy
and
its
purpose,
and
what
could
it
work
towards
towards
all
of
this
and
the
questions
as
community
energy?
C
You
know
community
can
ask
and
it
can
be
a
more
open
process
of
community
itself
engaging
in
the
future
of
this
stuff.
For
instance,
I
don't
want
nuclear
energy
traveling
through
those
electric
lines
in
the
future.
I
think
we
really
need
to
work
towards
a
future
that
doesn't
have
to
include
nuclear
and
how
do
we
begin
to
take
those
steps
and
yeah?
So
that's
my
two
cents
and
good
luck
with
this
issue.
Thank
you.
L
Mayor
council,
good
afternoon,
jeffrey
buchanan,
on
behalf
of
working
partnerships,
usa
and
silicon
valley,
rising
appreciate
all
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
done
by
the
the
staff
and
google
team
and
coming
up
with
this
set
of
systems.
Analysis.
Certainly
it's
it's.
You
know
it's
very
clear.
The
the
environmental
benefits
of
of
pulling
these
pieces
together
would
encourage
the
staff
to
continue
to
also
bring
a
lens
of
thinking
about
how
do
we?
How
do
we
address
the
community's
concerns
around
this
project,
delivering
quality
jobs?
A
B
E
Thanks
mayor
and
thanks
to
city
staff
and
google
for
all
your
great
work
on
on
this
idea
and
giving
us
this
the
background
today,
I
think
it's
really
really
an
interesting
and
innovative
idea.
It
seems
like
it
has
a
lot
of
potential
benefits,
so
you
know
admire
google
for
continuing
to
push
the
envelope
on
innovation
in
all
ways,
and
I
thought
nancy
had
a
nice
list
of
considerations
and
values
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
E
There
are
things
we
need
to
to
be
mindful
of
and
and
one
that
I
just
you
know,
want
to
make
sure
we're
coming
back
to
and
continually
examining
is
just
really
thinking
through
the
potential
impact
on
our
city
run,
utility
systems
and
any
potential
long-term
impacts
on
on
ratepayers.
I
guess
that's
kind
of
what's
at
the
forefront
for
me
at
the
moment.
E
What
do
we
know
at
this
point
about
the
financial
impacts
on
the
utilities
that
the
city
currently
operates,
and
obviously
you
know
we
operate
kind
of
a
portion
of
the
energy
system
and
then
water
waste
management?
Do
we
have
any
understanding
at
this
point
of
of
what
the
financial
implications
would
be
for
for
our
city-owned
systems?.
G
Thanks
nancy
I'll
I'll
start
with
the
water
and
waste
water
from
a
water,
wastewater
and
recycled
water
standpoint,
the
project
doesn't
have
any
bearing
on
it,
we'll
charge
them
for
for
what
they
use
and
on
the
recycled
waterfront
it
does.
It
does
take
away
a
cost-effective
opportunity
to
extend
the
existing
purple
pipe.
So
if
we
wanted
to
extend
purple
pipe
to
the
other
side
of
the
development,
that
would
be
something
that
recycled
water.
Customers
would
need
to
bear.
That's
not
something
on
our
radar
today.
G
It's
sort
of
more
of
a
long-term
aspiration.
So
it's
not
taking
away
an
in-process
project
by
any
means,
but
the
rate
payers
in
the
development-
and
we
do
want
to
ensure
that
they're
not
overly
burdened
by
higher
rates
because
there's
sort
of
this
extra
system
in
place,
and
so
that's
something
that
and
as
nancy's
articulated,
we
would
work
with
the
developer
on.
G
So
councilmember
there
aren't
cost
savings
to
this.
So
if
anything,
this
system
would
be
more
expensive
to
operate
because
it
sort
of
is
additional
and
but
google
believes
that
there's
environmental
benefits
to
be
had
and
they
believe
that
they'll
get
some
efficiencies
out
of
it.
One
of
the
efficiencies
they
may
be
seeing
is
the
cost
to
install
and
control
the
recycled
water
system,
but
but
it
doesn't
burden
existing
rate
payers
and
it
doesn't
save
existing
rate
payers
nancy.
Anything
to
add
to
that.
D
I
think
the
intention
is,
and-
and
there
are
google
folks
on
the
phone-
that
it
will
provide
the
efficiencies
and
and
redundancies
and
additional
over
time,
better
performance
that
we're
all
looking
for.
Especially
in
light
of
climate
change
and,
for
example,
google
will
be
paying,
as
as
carrie
mentioned,
our
hookup
fees
for
the
recycled
water,
and
it
will
affect
be
a
backup.
D
For
the
wastewater,
thank
you
as
mentioned,
so
that
capacity
will
not
be
damaged
or
diminished
in
any
way.
So
there
may
well
be
cost
savings
to
the
participants
within
the
system,
and
we
just
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
at
this
point-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
additional
comments
that
cindy
or
alexa
or
paul
would
like
to
make.
M
Yeah
happy
to
jump
in.
I
guess
the
two
principal
points
have
been
covered.
One
is
that
it's
always
environmentally
superior
to
treat
the
waist
closer
to
where
the
waste
is
happening
in
the
sense
of
how
that
adds
to
the
overall
system.
So
it's
not
an
either
or
but
the
two
systems
together
as
a
spur
report,
just
also
analyzed,
is
really
creates
a
superior
system
in
totality.
So
this
is
a
great
way
forward
and
a
great
model
for
the
future
of
how
recycled
water
and
the
treatment
of
water
can
work
in
aggregate.
M
So
I
think
it's
not.
You
know
I
hate
for
it
to
be
thought
of,
as
neither
or
it's
really
about
the.
The
aggregate
of
these
systems
is
what
creates
more
efficiency,
better
environmental
outcomes,
etc,
and
in
terms
of
the
rates
we
will
always
it.
The
rates
won't
be
higher
for
the
users,
so
we're
pretty
expressive
in
the
documentation
that
we
can't
charge
higher
rates
than
what
somebody
could
get
elsewhere
outside
the
project.
So
I
think
from
a
ratepayer
perspective
as
well
within
the
project
boundaries
there's
only
upside,
not
downside
to
it.
E
Okay,
I
mean
I
I
thank
you.
It's
helpful.
I
mean
I'm
just
to
be
clear.
I'm
extremely
excited
about
the
potential
sustainability
benefits
or
environmental
benefits.
Here
I
think,
that's
wonderful.
I
think
the
only
ques,
so
this
has
been
a
little
clarifying
for
me.
So
I
did
I
figured
there
were
also
cost
savings
kind
of
financially
for
google,
but
in
fact
it
sounds
like
google's
willing
to
pay
a
premium
for
an
innovative
system
that
has
significant
sustainability,
benefits
or
environmental
benefits,
and
I
guess
my
only
you
know
thought
process.
E
There
was
just
wanting
to
ensure
that
there
wasn't
anything
about
that
investment
that
would
be
shifting
those
pre
that
premium
on
to
the
broader
system
essentially-
and
it
doesn't
sound
like
other
san
jose
ratepayers-
are
anyway
subsidizing
that
infrastructure
that
that
build
out,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear-
is
that
is
that
correct?
Am
I
hearing
that
correctly.
M
That's
correct
and
that's
why
we
addressed
rates
very
specifically
to
ensure
that,
across
all
the
systems
rate
payers,
internal
to
the
project
wouldn't
be
bearing
a
higher
rate
than
they
would
be
paying
elsewhere,
and
obviously
there's
no
subsidy
from
the
city
in
this
in
all
the
systems.
So
there's
no
effect
on
external
rate
payers
either.
E
H
E
M
Yeah
the
system
is
expected
like
a
building
to
go
through
the
lifespan
of
the
project
and
so
and
it'll
get.
You
know,
obviously
iterated
and
innovative
innovated
over
time,
which
is
part
of
the
benefit
of
having
the
smaller
grid
system,
because
as
backup
generation,
other
components
mature.
So
too
can
the
system
fairly
adaptably.
E
N
I'm
and
I
also
have
had
the
deardon
area
neighborhood
group
has
also
written
in,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
to
ask
their
question
as
well,
but
first
I
I
want
to
hear
more
carrie
about
the
the
odor
control
mitigation
plan.
I
understand
that
we
are
requiring
it
at
the
front
end,
but
one
of
the
things
that
you
said
and
it
kind
of
went
by
quickly,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
really
clear
on
this-
is
that
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
regulate
that
odor
control
over
time.
N
G
You
you
know
the
the
bay
area,
air
quality
management
district
has
jurisdiction
over
odors.
The
city
also
has
control
in
terms
of
public
nuisance,
et
cetera
and
I'll.
Ask
rosalind
to
talk
more
about
the
code
enforcement
and
pvc
approach
to
to
public
nuisances
and
how
that
would
would
be
enforced,
and
so
the
city,
but
but
the
real
heavy
hand
is
the
bay
area,
air
quality
management
district.
G
However,
you
know
the
projects
evolved
over
time,
so
it
at
the
start
of
the
project
and
google
was
or
the
developer
was
conti
contemplating
more
on
site,
so
total
on-site
wastewater
treatment
and
they're
not
talking
about
that
anymore.
What
they're
talking
about
is
more
of
a
scalping
plant
where
they're
just
taking
off
a
little
bit
of
water
to
to
produce
a
smaller
amount
of
recycled
water.
G
So,
as
the
project
has
scaled
down,
our
concerns
about
odors
have
lessened
as
well,
because
in
in
a
version
where
they
were
going
to
do
complete
on-site
wastewater
treatment
where
they
were
actually
collecting
the
solids
for
disposition
somewhere
else.
We
obviously
have
we're
concerned
about
that.
That's
that's
changed
over
time,
and
and
maybe
nancy
you
can.
You
can
talk
to
that
as
well
and
then
rosalind.
If
you
could
talk
to
how
we
would
enforce
odor
odor
nuisances.
M
Certainly
the
central
utility
plant,
which
is
the
area
where
the
wastewater,
as
well
as
other
elements,
are,
are
treated
or
or
feeding
from
is
almost
in
many
of
the
projects
worldwide.
That
len
lease
our
partner
has
done
and
that
we've
seen
elsewhere
are
are
effectively
almost
like
learning
centers,
so
you
typically
have
a
face
to
them
outward
to
the
community.
They
are
a
point
of
engagement,
they're,
a
point
of
of
starting
to
understand
the
systems
to
learn
about
how
climate
action
can
work
in
real
life.
M
There's
obviously
incredible
proximity
to
our
office
buildings,
so
we're
very
confident
that
you
know
the
way
it's
going
to
function
is
actually
going
to
be
a
really
positive
thing
to
be.
Next.
To
that
being
said,
I
think
where
people
might
be
concerned
about,
odor
is
usually
when
there's
a
longer
transit
run
in
between
where
the
source
of
the
order
is
coming
from,
if
you
will
and
where
it's
treated
so
those
shorter
runs,
don't
create
that
same
issue.
M
You
might
have
around
a
regional
system,
and
so
we're
very
confident
then
have
seen
live
in
action
that
there
isn't
any
negative
smells
that
are
coming
off.
Of
that
central
utility
plant
and
again
it
is
an
area
that
is
sort
of
iconic
and
the
architecture
of
which
is
screened
and
doesn't
look
like
a
power
plant.
Certainly
it's
the
opposite.
It
looks
very
much
like
a
placemaker
so
happy
to
be
and
agreed
that
it
always
should
be
regulated
around
and
so
embrace
that,
but
aren't
aren't
concerned
about
it.
For
that
reason,.
N
I
I
appreciate
that
I
do.
I
do
want
to
fashion
staff-
or
I
guess
just
put
this-
I
would
rather
not
have
the
only
thing
that
we
can
do
be
the
plan
at
the
beginning
and
then
enforcement
at
the
end,
as
opposed
to
making
sure
that
there's
some
compliance
along
the
way
we,
at
least
in
my
district,
when
we
we've
we've,
had
an
odor
issue
that
is
completely
unrelated
to
to
waste
water.
That
has
come
up
in
the
last
year
with
a
business
and
it
has
been.
N
It
has
been
a
nuisance
for
nearly
a
year
now,
with
this
much
smaller,
much
smaller
business
and
the
code
enforcement
process.
I'm
just
putting
that
out
there
that
I'm
and
I'm
not
saying
that
google
would
need
this
process,
but
I
do
want
to
be
very
cognizant
of
the
neighbors
needs
and
quality
of
life
at
the
front
end.
While
we're
thinking
about
this
now
that
the
code
enforcement
process
can
be
very
long
and
neighbors
can
be
inconvenienced,
to
say
the
least
for
for
a
long
period
of
time.
N
So
I
don't
want
that
to
be
the
only
answer
that
we
have
in
place,
which
is
we
we
will
have
a
plan
and
then
the
backstop
to
the
plan
is
code
enforcement.
If
there's
a
problem,
I'd
rather
have
some
way
that
we
can
ensure
compliance.
So
we
don't
get
to
that
need
for
code
enforcement,
which
is
a
very
long
process
that
is
very,
very
inconveniencing
to
neighbors
and
I've
seen
that
in
multiple
I've
seen
that
in
multiple
ways
in
different
parts
of
my
district.
N
N
So
I'm
wondering,
if
there's,
if
there's
an
answer,
either
from
staff
or
from
alexa
about
if,
as
developments
come
online,
that
are
not
google
owned,
but
that
are
in
the
dsap.
What's
the
process
for
bringing
them
bringing
them
into
the
district
system,
will
they
be
offered
that?
How
does
that?
How
does
that
work.
D
N
So
I
think
the
well
I'll
I'll
tell
you
that
you
know
you
know
alexa
that
this
utility
corridor,
the
utilidor
concept-
is
very
new
to
me.
So
I
don't
have
a
specific
part
of
the
utilities
that
I
was
thinking
of
and
and
really
this
is
a
question
that
I'm
passing
through
from
the
deardon
area,
neighborhood
group.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
have
one
you
know
much
utility.
M
Yeah,
so
on
the
microgrid
in
particular.
Obviously
one
of
the
strong
advantages
of
a
municipal
system
or
pg
e
system
is
its
ability
to
to
to
work
from
it
and
move
beyond
it.
I
think,
if
it's
a
private
system,
there
would
be
a
variety
of
things
we
would
have
to
consider
around
whether
that
made
us
sort
of
a
regulated
utility
versus
providing
the
system
within
the
project
itself,
which
would
include
all
the
an
availability
for
all
the
different
types
of
projects
within
us,
like
the
affordable,
housing
parcels
and
so
forth.
M
But
it
somewhat
depends
on
what
route
is
taken,
which
of
course,
as
you
know,
is
related
a
little
bit
to
the
timing
of
the
project
and
when
we
move
forward
with
the
project
relative
to
the
timing
of
the
city's
decision
around
a
municipal
system
or
pg
e's
decision
around
a
pg
e
system.
So
it's
somewhat
dependent
on
some
of
those
routes
and
a
little
hard
to
answer
more
directly,
but
certainly
as
google,
we
would
be
more
than
open.
M
N
Thank
you
and
then
carrie,
this
kind
of
in
terms
of
the
the
response
you
gave
to
council
member
mayhem,
you
had
talked
about
something
about,
and-
and
maybe
I'm
mischaracterizing
this,
but
the
note
I
wrote
is
it
this
takes
away
the
possibility
for
for
extending
purple
pipe
past
the
system.
Maybe
I
misunderstood
that
and
I
want
to
be.
I
want
you
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
because
I
think
it
relates
to
this
issue.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
and
if
I
misspoke
it
doesn't
take
away
any
any
future
option
to
kind
of
go
around
the
site
and
and
to
other
locations.
It
just
takes
away
the
the
opportunity
to
do
it
now
with
someone
else
funding
it,
and
so
ideally
we
you
know
we
would
like
to
have
recycled
water
at
more
parks,
more
schools
etc.
G
More
of
the
big
users
throughout
the
city,
and
so,
if
the
development,
instead
of
making
its
own
recycled
water,
it
just
tapped
into
our
system
that
would
enable
us
to
more
quickly
and
more
cost,
effectively
extend
the
purple
pipe
to
other
regions,
but
that's
not
a
project
that
we
have
on
our
radar
to
do
anytime
soon.
So
it's
not
like
we're
pushing
aside
an
opportunity
that
we're
ready
to
do.
M
Yeah,
so
I
think
the
reason
we're
not
connected
to
the
purple
pipe
system
is
because
we're
creating
a
system
that
allows
for
more
efficient
treatment
of
the
water
closer
to
the
site,
which
obviously
has
tremendous
environmental
benefits.
We
I'm
not
sure
you
know,
I
don't
know
cindy
if
you
want
to
pipe
in
here,
but
if,
as
we
start
to
extend
our
system,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
is
the
way
we
had
envisioned
it.
It's
not
that
we
wouldn't
be
open
to
exploring
it.
M
N
Well,
cahill
is
you
know,
cahill
park
is
nearby
and
and
del
monte
park
is
nearby
and
I
don't
know
if
either
of
them
have
it.
So
that's
those
were.
That
was
why
I
was
asking
if
they
did
or
not,
and
then
one
of
the
utilities
that
we
didn't
hear
about,
and
I'm
sure
this
is
just
a
quick
answer,
but
the
garbage
and
recycling
will
that
be
from,
like
normal
commercial
haulers
of
any
other
business
and
residences.
G
Yes,
so
and
and
bill
if
you
want
to
add
context,
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
different
environmental
and
sustainability
considerations
in
the
project
and
where
was
the
idea
to
do
a
standalone
system
and
where
we
are
now
is
the
the
development
will
tap
and
use
the
commercial
and
residential
system
which
is
a
leading
performer
in
the
in
the
country?
And
so
you
know
we'd
like
to
believe
that
their
intent
to
be
a
a
sustainability
leader
led
them
to
say,
hey.
G
F
That
falls
to
somebody
else,
I'm
sorry,
I
would
carry
it
most
of
a
lot
of
the
streets
are
private
streets
within
the
development,
so
they
would
likely
be
handled
by
the
by
the
property
owners
rather
than
by
the
city,
and
the
last
point
to
carry
on
the
counselor
on
the
the
the
garbage
and
recycling.
Is
that
it's
one
of
the
topics
that
was
evaluated
in
the
in
the
downtown
west
environmental
documents,
so
they
studied
how
it
would
work
and
what
the
impacts
would
be.
F
But
at
this
point
in
time
we're
just
they've
decided
not
to
necessarily
pursue
that
there's
a
whole
host
of
complications
with
dealing
with
the
existing
operators
and
and
the
issues
surrounding
that
that
makes
it
easier
to
move
forward
with
that
as
a
future
option,
rather
than
something
that
you
try
to
take
on
immediately
today.
So
that's
why
we've
they've
dropped
that
from
this
initial
proposal
for
utilities.
Well,.
G
O
There
is
a
question,
regardless
of
wanting
to
to
see,
if
there's
a
partnership,
they
they
also
expressed
interest
just
kind
of
noting
that
I
think
that
is
positive
to
see
that
our
local
neighborhoods
representatives,
at
least
for
these
neighborhoods
through
the
the
deng,
have
shown
support
for
this
effort.
I
think
that's
important
to
be
able
to
know
what
our
local
community
is
thinking,
albeit
still
new
to
them
as
well.
O
F
A
possibility
councilmember
I'll
I'll
start
in
a,
I
suspect,
a
and
her
group
can
weigh
in
as
well,
but
this
thus
far,
what
we're
being
we
understand
is
that
the
site,
the
projects
within
the
site
would
generate
up
to
about
20
of
the
electrical
demand
that
it
takes
to
run
the
overall
district,
and
so
there's
not
like
a
surplus
of
power
being
generated.
That
would
then
even
be
available
to
distribute
outside
there's
enough
power
to
operate.
The
emergency
needs
that
they
would
have
within
their
development
projects.
M
I
would
say
also
just
to
add
to
that
bill:
it
depends
on
which
roads
taken.
So
if
the
council
determines
that
a
municipal
system
is
appropriate
and
you
adopt
that,
then
there's
a
way
to
think
through
that
it's
harder
to
do.
Obviously,
if
you
know,
if
it's
more,
if
it's
different
options,
so
it
really
depends
on
the
option
that
we
go
down.
M
D
The
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
add
for
a
second
is
that
it
it's
very
positive
to
have
this
level
of
infrastructure
and
systems
thinking
going
forward.
There
are
others
who
are
seeing
what
this
project
is
considering
doing
like
west
bank
and
some
of
you
may
know,
west
bank
owns
and
operates
a
power
grid
itself
in
canada,
and
so
it's
encouraging
to
see
what
other
extensions
of
investment
in
infrastructure
and
resiliency
they
can
build
off
google's
model,
meaning
not
off
the
necessary
project.
But
what
can
they
extend?
C
O
O
For
instance,
if
there
was
a
public
building
there,
a
community
center
or
some
sort
right
that
fire
station,
or
something
like
that
traditionally
right
now,
right
we're
running
all
of
our
our
backup
with
generators
on
these
sites
and
so,
but
but
understand
what
bill
said
that
the
sort
of
power
capacity
of
the
20
percent
there,
certainly
not
not
enough
to
just
go
around
and
be
able
to
spread
out.
It's
really
based
on
on
some
some
base
level
services
to
keep
a
building
going.
O
O
But
what
what
wasn't
part
of
that
presentation
was
status
quo
so
kind
of
what?
If
none
of
these
options
right?
You
alluded
to
it
in
the
responses,
each
individual
and
I
think,
carry
maybe
the
most
in
regards
to
just
you
know:
hey
we
can
this.
This
can
be
done
without
any
of
these
options,
really
right,
just
kind
of
plug
into
the
system
that
currently
exists.
O
So
if
someone
could
kind
of
describe
that
to
me,
what
does
that
status
quo?
Look
like
if
this
wasn't
being
considered
by
google-
and
we
understand
here
from
councilman
mayhem's
questions
that
maybe
it's
not
even
necessarily
at
least
upfront,
not
a
cost
savings
to
them
right,
there's
other
implications
which
are
a
benefit
to
us
in
regards
to
environmental
implications
and
and
to
them,
and
sort
of
just
being
good
stewards
in
regards
to
this
kind
of
a
development.
O
H
It
counts
a
member
I
I
could
start
and
I'm
sure
alexa
you
might
want
to
jump
in
and
nancy,
so
the
status
quo
would
be
pg
e
retail
service.
So
that's
what
most
development
take.
I
would
say
some
of
the
the
constraints
that
would
come
along
with
that
is
less
flexibility
in
terms
of
maximizing
the
amount
of
on-site
resources,
so
certainly
some
of
the
central
plant,
the
on-site,
solar
battery
storage,
other
types
of
distributed,
energy
resources
that
google
is
proposing
would
be
limited
and
constrained.
H
H
I
would
say
the
status
quo
would
also
be
pg
e's
rates,
so
there
may
also
be
some
economic
benefits
from
the
other
options
in
terms
of
rate
savings.
It's
important
to
note
on
on
the
city
option
that
prop
218
would
apply
there.
So
if
there
were
rate
savings,
those
would
be
passed
on
in
cost
of
service
rates
to
the
development,
and
we
would
be
legally
required
to
do
that,
just
as
we
are
for
other
utilities,
so
so
yeah,
I'm
sure
others
may
want
to
jump
in
here,
but
those
are
that
would
be.
M
M
So
that
seems
like
a
very
fair
way
to
articulate
that
each
of
the
different
systems
have
obviously
different
upsides,
but
the
philosophy
always
holds
where,
when
you're
able
to
treat
it
off
the
system
and
have
the
aggregate
of
off
the
system
and
on
the
system
you're
reducing
your
your
draw
and
your
load
for
the
overall
system.
So
it's
only
creating
more
efficiency
and
more
ability
for
that
system
to
adapt
and
expand
to
other
projects
outside
of
us.
M
O
Thank
you
and
and
kerry.
You
did
a
good
job
already.
I
think
kind
of
describing
that
this
could
just
plug
into
our
current
system.
The
infrastructure.
That's
there
so
I'll.
Ask
you
a
couple
more,
maybe
specific
questions
in
regards
to
that,
so,
for
instance,
for
wastewater
treatment,
would
this
be
wastewater
that
would
run
into
sort
of
the
piping
that's
into
downtown
and
then
kind
of
going
north
towards
alviso.
G
Yes,
so
the
it
would
share
the
collection
system,
any
time
and
matt
can
add
into
this
anytime
there's.
You
know
significant
development.
The
public
works
team
looks
at
the
capacity
of
the
collection
system
and
to
see,
if
you
know
they
want
to
run
new
pipes,
expand
the
existing
ones.
If
the
existing
capacity
is
adequate,
so
yeah
it
would.
It
would
in
some
way
whether
whether
the
existing
pipes
or
a
new
set
of
pipes
feed
its
way
into
the
wastewater
facility.
G
Yes,
they'll
still
be
connecting
to
us
and
most
operations,
even
if
they
do
full
on-site
wastewater
treatment,
they
connect
into
the
existing
infrastructure,
just
in
case
something
goes
wrong
with
their
system
and
they
need
the
that
waste
to
leave
their
facility.
They
need
the
capacity
to
at
our
wastewater
facility
or
any
any
facility
that
does
on-site
wastewater,
similar
to
how
a
a
high
user
of
recycled
water,
a
data
center
or
something
they.
You
know
100
of
the
time
they're
going
to
use
recycled
water,
but
an
off
chance
that
system
goes
down.
O
M
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
clarify
something
so
that
you
were
clear:
council
member.
We
are
paying
wastewater,
hookup
fees
like
we
don't
have
a
system,
so
in
other
words,
we
are
paying
for
that
capacity
in
a
backup
situation
as
a
normal
user
would
so
I
don't
want
you
to
to
feel
that
we're
you
know
asking
for
the
backup
system,
but
not
not
generating
that
payment,
so
that
should
create
some
capacity
because,
hopefully
we'll
never
have
to
use
it.
G
Well,
we
do
have
to
reserve
the
capacity
for
you,
so
so
it
does
and
it
does
take
capacity
from
the
system
because
when
you
send
it
to
us,
we
have
to
be
able
to
treat
it,
but
and
but
we
have
more
than
enough
capacity
for
the
build
out
for
the
future
of
the
city.
So
it's
not
constrained.
So
we're
not
worried
about
that.
O
This
has
been
actually
a
reoccurring
question
that
a
lot
of
constituents
in
district
three
have
asked
me
to
say:
hey
when
you
know
like
this
deer
down,
west
gets
or
downtown
west
gets
built
out.
What
is
that
gonna
do
with
some
of
the
increase
of
the
odors
that
we're
that
we're
experiencing
in
the
downtown
core?
O
So
my
question
in
curiosity
is:
would
this
help
with
google
having
their
own
sort
of
skimming
off
some
of
the
water
right
and
being
able
to
to
manage
and
recycle
some
of
the
water
there
on
site,
as
they
were
saying?
Would
that
help
then,
because
again,
it's
reducing
some
of
the
flow
and
in
the
capacity
and
and
overall
could
that
you
know
lessen,
maybe
the
the
the
impact
of
the
odor
throughout
the
downtown.
G
Councilmember,
I
don't
think
this
project
is
going
to
if
we
have
existing
challenges
in
the
collection
system.
I
don't
think
this
this
project's
going
to
improve
that,
but
I
don't
think
I
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
make
it
any
worse,
and
you
know
the
less
liquid
in
the
system
means
that
there's
more
solids,
which
means
at
some
point
there
can't
be
not
enough
liquid
or
the
solids,
don't
move,
but
I
know
and
and
I'll
hand
it
over
to
matt.
O
And
before
matt
jumps
in
I'll
be
a
little
more
specific.
I
I
didn't
expect
this
to
prove
it,
but
I
guess
what
I
wanted
to
compare
would
be
if,
if
they
did
not
have
their
own
water
treatment
on
site
at
all,
in
100
sent
their
water
down
our
our
pipes
versus
what
they're
proposing
to
have
on
site.
Those
two
comparisons
would
would
one
of
them.
You
know
because
it
increases
flow.
I
Thanks,
remember,
and
I
don't
have
the
a
perfect
answer
to
that
right
now.
I
think
we're
we'll
we'll
need
to
follow
up
a
little
bit,
but
we
are,
as
you
know,
working
on
the
working
our
way
south
on
the
first,
the
major
interceptor
to
finish
that
and
we
still
have
a
final
phase
of
that
to
fund
and
build
in
the
future
to
and
so
to
get
it
all
the
way
down
to
through
to
the
center
of
downtown,
where
we
need
it.
So
we'll
follow
up
on
that.
O
O
You
know
the
status
quo
would
be
plugging
into
all
the
pre-existing
systems,
from
pg
e
for
electricity
to
our
water
treatment
right
and
completely
just
plugging
in
there
versus
what
they're,
proposing
with
some
water
treatment
on
site
right
their
their
own
cogen
facility
and
so
and
and
be
able
to
just
see
what
what
are
those
you
know.
What
are
the
impacts?
What
are
the
benefits
you
know,
and
why
would
we?
Why
would
we
consider
one
over
these?
O
The
other
carrie,
your
your
dog,
just
totally
made
me,
lose
my
my
track
of
thought.
Such
a
cute
little
dog,
just
moved
in
the
background.
Sorry
took
me
took
me
off
there,
so
this
is
the
fun
part
about
zooming
from
from
home
here.
So,
okay-
and
this
also,
this
next
question
ties
into
the
comparison
chart
as
well,
and
this
I
wasn't
aware
of
until
today's
conversation
of
the
purple
pipe
issue
and
I
saw
councilmember
davis's.
O
You
know
eyes
perk
up
too
when,
when
I
think
when
she
heard
that,
especially
considering
that
you
know,
I
think
the
concern
could
be
that
hey.
Is
there
a
bigger
challenge
for
that?
You
know
the
residents
just
on
the
other
side
of
deardon,
which
are
all
her
constituency,
and
so
it
sounds
as
though
you
know
we're
going
to
be
in
there.
O
G
It
it
is
because
we
don't
have
extending
the
purple
pipe
on
our
roadmap
to
do
today,
but
but
the
way
I
might
suggest
we
think
about
it
is-
and
you
know
we
weren't
looking
to
add
purple
pipe
to
this
particular
development
and
and
they've
stepped
up
and
said:
hey.
We
absolutely
want
it
in
the
system,
and
so
you
know
rather
than
just
tapping
into
our
our
potable
water,
which
you
know
we
know,
is
becoming
more
scarce,
they're
sort
of
saying,
hey.
We
want
to
you
know
from
day
one.
O
And
then
what
does
it
look
like
for
right?
Are
we
safe
to
assume
this?
This
recycle
water
on
site
can
be
utilized
like
we
would
have
wanted
to
in
the
the
parks,
the
open
space
right,
the
the
areas,
obviously,
that
are
all
being
proposed
to
be
built
out
here,
I'm
assuming
that's
the
thought
process
and
I'll
kick
that
over
to
alexa.
M
O
D
Have
to
do
a
little
bit
of
research
on
that.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
count.
The
question
council
member,
I
I
think
one
of
the
opportunities
here
is
that
the
system
that
is
being
proposed
by
google
and
downtown
west
offers
an
opportunity
that,
as
alexa
mentioned,
the
program,
the
the
cost
will
not
be
allowed
to
be
more
than
what
is
in
the
marketplace
and,
and
it
may
be
less,
it
will
also
allow
ways
for
us
to
look
very
close
up.
Are
there
ways
we
could
proceed?
D
Bringing
costs
down,
for
example,
right
now,
purple
pipe
is
not
inexpensive,
so
is
there?
Is
there
any
other
district
systems
that
in
the
future,
can
also
find
a
different
way
as
we
evolve
legislation
as
we
evolve,
because
any
time
you
cut
into
the
street,
as
you
know,
and
lay
lay
pipe,
there's
a
lot
of
hassle
and
a
lot
of
cost.
So
so
aside
from
the
environmental
benefits,
but
looking
at,
are
there
different
ways
to
do
things
that
can
help
us
evolve
and
go
back
to
looking
at
the
cost
and
comparison.
B
O
And
and
look,
I
think
the
information
is
all
there,
because
I've
been
asking.
You
know
whether,
when
the
one-on-one
meetings
are
here
and
the
trade-offs
and
benefits
around
environmental
impacts
right,
reducing
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
the
the
water
we're
talking
about
here,
the
water
treatment,
the
the
potential
you
know-
cost
savings.
The
dollar
amount
right.
That
nancy
was
talking
about
right
here,
but
where
it's
not
it's
not
in
sort
of
a
a
clear
you
know,
fashion
of
where,
where
I
can
go
out
and
and
really
be
able
to
explain
it
to
the
community.
O
Here
is
here's
kind
of
status
quo
and
here's
some
of
the
the
benefits
of
of
this
alternative
option
that
we
haven't
explored
before
in
the
city,
because
it
is
you
know
up,
I
think,
for
a
lot
of
people.
That's
the
biggest
concern
right
or
or
challenge
is
simply
the
fact
that
we
just
haven't
done
this,
and
so
you
know,
I
think,
to
be
able
to
describe
what
we
you
know.
What's
what
a
standard
operating
procedure
versus
this
could
be
helpful.
O
Fortunately,
as
you've
seen
again
that
beard
on
area
neighborhood
group,
so
the
community
members
around
there
are
supportive-
I
don't
think
there's
you
know
this,
this
growing
opposition
to
it,
but
certainly
it
will
help
right
as
we
move
forward
we're
trying
to
get
people
to
understand
it,
including
ourselves
right
again
as
council
members,
because
this
this
is,
this
is
a
complicated
area.
So
that's
it
for
my
comments
and
questions
thanks.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
all
the
the
work
that's
gone
into
this
and
all
the
information
provided
today.
I
just
had
a
few
questions.
I
want
to
follow
up
with
my
apologies
for
not
providing
video,
but
I'm
in
a
place
with
very
limited
wi-fi
and
I'm
hoping
that,
maybe
you
guys
will
put
wi-fi
at
the
top
of
the
list
of
what
gets
built
out
with
this
infrastructure.
B
I
had
a
question
about
water
because
I
know
that
the
project
itself
is
probably
going
to
result
in
the
pumping
of
a
lot
of
water,
I'm
assuming
because
we're
going
to
be
doing
a
lot
of
stuff
underground,
and
I
assume
I
guess
the
question
is-
is
all
that
water
that
would
be
pumping
just
for
the
development.
Is
that
all
going
to
get
sort
of
treated
and
addressed
on
site
somehow
or
is
that
all
getting
shipped
off
to
a
water
treatment
plant.
G
M
P
B
P
B
Okay,
thanks
cindy,
then
I
just
had
a
couple
questions
about
the
generation
on
site
for
electrical
demand.
Now
bill
had
pointed
out,
I
think
earlier.
Maybe
it
was
bill,
told
me
office.
Another
time
it
was.
It
was
stated
that
about
20
of
the
needs
would
be
satisfied
on
site
and
do
you
have
any
sense
at
this
point?
I
know
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
room
on
this
site
for
a
big
solar
field
or
anything
like
that.
P
B
And
I
appreciate
that
at
least
the
current
estimate
is
only
20
as
we're
working
through
this.
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
try
to
transparently
understand
what
it
would
cost
to
get
that
percentage
higher,
and
I
guess
the
reason
why
I'm
asking
is
you
know:
we've
been
grappling
with
this
for
two
years.
I
think,
as
a
city
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
build
microgrids
that
provide
some
resilience
and
you
know
through
distributed
generation
and
storage
in
our
city
and
and
we've.
B
You
know,
we've
struggled,
I
think,
like
a
lot
of
cities,
we
know
it's
costly
when
it's
really
hard
and
it
seems
to
me
if
we've
got
a
significant
investment
happening
here
and
maybe
easier
than
making
it
happen
elsewhere,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
is
that
something
where
we
could
have
an
iterative
conversation
about?
Well,
we
can
only
do
20,
but
if
the
city
meets
us
half
way,
we
could
do
60
or
whatever.
P
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
idea.
We
absolutely
can
continue
to
have
conversations
about
as
we
learn,
I
mean
we,
we
learn
about
projects
in
our
other
locations
as
well,
where
we're
testing
different
ideas
for
power
generation,
with
mostly
with
solar
but
other
ideas
as
well,
and
absolutely
would
be
interested
in
continuing
to
improve
this,
the
generation
that
we
can
do
on
site.
P
That
is
our
definitely
our
goal
to
generate
our
electricity
as
close
as
possible
to
where
we're
we're
using
it,
and
also
the
other
side
of
this
equation,
of
course,
is
in
working
with
the
demand
of
electricity,
and
so
anything
we
can
do
through
increasing
thinking
about
our
approach
to
managing
the
demand.
We
can
work
on
that
together
as
well.
That
would
help
reduce
the
need
for
electricity.
B
Thanks
cindy,
I
really
look
forward
to
that,
because
I
know
that
you
guys
I'm
sure,
as
are
as
worried
about
resilience
as
we
are.
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
confidence
that
pg
e
is
going
to
fix
the
grid
problems
anytime
in
the
next
couple
years,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
cities
are
figuring
out.
They
need
to
find
a
way
to
go
it
alone.
So
I'd
really
like
to
dig
in
on
this
problem
with
a
great
team
over
google-
and
I
know
we're
also
piling
on
other
projects
in
other
places.
B
Anyway,
thank
you
cindy
for
your
answers.
I
I
know
that
ongoing
challenge
has
been
with
pg
e
and
trying
to
get
through
the
permits
and
approvals
for
these
systems.
I
recall
apple
just
having
a
brutal
time
on
their
site
and
I
think
it
delayed
their
project.
Quite
a
bit,
I'm
just
wondering,
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
sort
of
start
that
process
in
parallel
with
everything
else
we're
doing
so
we
can
get
in
line.
P
That's
it's
definitely
good
to
acknowledge
that
there
are
processes
we
need
to
follow
to
get
these
connections
in
place
and
absolutely
we've
actually
already
engaged
pg
e.
Quite
that
we're
quite
actively
talking
with
them
about
all
the
pieces
of
the
that
they
would
need
to
contribute
to
this
project
and
definitely
were
in
the
queue
in
terms
of
the
application
being
in
the
system,
so
that
we
can
that
we
can
be
ready
when
we
need
to
be
for
this
project.
B
P
F
B
Of
a
lot
of
big
construction
projects,
the
management
one
so
so
thanks
bill
and
also
great
to
see
bill,
I
turned
back
working
with
the
city
in
partnership
back
in
retirement,
as
well
as
kevin
o'connor.
Welcome
back
to
joe
to
gentlemen,
I
know
you've
been
working
with
us
for
a
while,
but
with
kovid
we're,
never
actually
gonna
see
anybody
so
good
to
see
you
all
really
grateful
for
this
team
working
together
to
make
this
happen.
B
B
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
entire
team.
I
know
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
has
gone
into
this
so
far
and
it's
complicated
work
but
very
interesting
work,
and
so
thank
you
to
the
team
for
everything
you've
done
kind
of
getting
us
up
to
this
point
and
as
nancy,
you
have
any
final
comments.