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From YouTube: MAY 20, 2021 | Redistricting Advisory Commission
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City of San José, California
Redistricting Advisory Commission of May 20, 2021
This public meeting will be conducted via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
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B
Thank
you,
okay,
so
item
four
is
the
public
hearing.
There
is
no
public
hearing
tonight,
so
we
will
move
on
to
new
business.
We
have
a
couple
of
really
interesting
presentations
organized
by
our
consultants
at
redistricting
partners,
and
we
have
two
parts
to
our
new
business
and
I'll
just
turn
it
over
to
connie
malloy.
Who
will
introduce
our
speakers
in
the
topics?
Thank
you
for
being
here.
Oh
you
know
what
one
more
thing
I
just
wanted
to
remind
our
commissioners.
If
you
could
stay
on
video,
it
would
be
really
appreciated.
B
Not
only
is
it
great
for
our
speakers
and
our
guests
to
know
that
we're
here
and
engaged,
but
it's
really
important
for
the
public
to
know
that
we're
also
engaged.
Of
course,
if
you
have
to
run
off
for
a
moment-
and
you
can
still
hear
us-
you
can
turn
off
your
video,
but
but
please
return
as
soon
as
you
can.
Thank
you.
Connie.
G
Wonderful
well,
thank
you
so
much
I'll
just
say
a
word
on
behalf
of
redistricting
partners.
I'm
not
a
formal
member
of
the
redistricting
partners
staff
team,
but
I
have
been
partnering
with
them
on
training
for
a
number
of
different
local
commissions,
independent
citizen
redistricting
commissions,
mostly
in
california.
Although
now
we're
working
doing
some
projects
in
arizona
and
in
new
mexico.
G
What
is
the
role
of
an
independent
redistricting,
commissioner?
What
were
some
of
the
things
that
they
struggled
with
the
most
lessons
learned,
really
practical
tips
and
examples
and
an
opportunity
for
you
to
be
in
dialogue
with
them,
and
then
the
second
part
will
be
a
presentation
around
communities
of
interest,
which
I
know
I
imagine
you're
all
really
eager
to
dive
in
on
both
laying
a
foundation
for
some
common
definitions
of
communities,
of
interest,
examples
of
communities
of
interest
that
have
come
up
in
many
different
contexts
and
also
some
advice
on.
G
How
do
you
really,
as
a
body
create
an
environment
where
the
the
vast
majority
of
your
communities
will
feel
comfortable
and
empowered
to
have
their
voices
heard
within
the
redistricting
process?
And
so
I
really
look
forward
to
moving
through
these
presentations
and
hope
that
they
will
be
of
service
to
the
great
work
that
you're
doing.
I
know
firsthand
how
hard
this
work
is,
and
I
just
really
salute
you
and
appreciate
you
for
the
volunteer
effort
that
this
comprises.
G
So
we
are
your
biggest
fans
and
even
after
this
evening's
presentation,
I
know
that
I
speak
for
all
of
us
that
are
coming
to
help
train.
You
know
glad
to
be
a
resource
as
you
move
through
the
months
ahead.
So
with
that,
let
me
just
share
my
screen
and
dive
in
okay,
so
the
commissioner
role,
this
is
actually
a
picture
of.
G
It
was
the
first
time
that
we
would
have
a
commission
that
was
not
allowed
to
look
at
issues
of
incumbency
to
look
at
political
parties
and
where,
from
having
really
redistricting,
been
done
behind
closed
doors,
it
was
the
opposite
extreme.
In
many
ways
it
was
done
completely
out
in
public
everything
live
streamed
and
on
the
record,
and
in
order
to
do
the
task,
we
had
14
people
who
were
appointed
to
serve
in
this
role.
G
The
structure
that
we
had
at
the
state
level
was
five
republicans,
five
democrats
and
four
independents,
of
which
I
was
one
and
our
backgrounds
were
really
varied.
We
came
from
a
number
of
different
regions
across
the
state,
very
different
professional
backgrounds.
The
one
thing
that
we
had
in
common
was
that
none
of
us
had
redistributing
experience.
G
We
had
quite
an
age
spread.
We
had
about
a
40-year
divide
across
the
commission,
from
the
oldest
commissioner
to
the
youngest
commissioner,
even
though
we
all
aged
quite
a
bit
in
the
process
and
demographically.
We
were
also
you
know
gladly,
I
think,
as
representative
of
a
body
as
I
think,
a
group
of
californians
can
be
given
what
a
diverse
state
we
actually
have.
I
don't
think
any
14
people
can
fully
capture
california,
but
we
did
our
best.
G
The
city
had
had
a
historic
and
very
strong
african-american
district.
They
also
had
a
growing
latinx
and
asian
pacific
islander
community,
and
for
those
of
you
who
know
san
diego,
it's
also
parts
of
the
city
have
really
strong
lgbtq
presence
and
also
political
activism.
It's
it's
historically
been
part
of
the
state.
That
is
a
sort
of
a
feeder
pool
for
state
level,
representation
and
leadership
from
the
lgbtq
community,
and
so
this
was
all
within
the
purview
of
what
carlos
was
dealing
with.
G
G
So,
carlos
and
cynthia
it's
great
to
see
both
of
you
and
I
just
gave
a
little
bit
of
background,
but
it
would
be
great
if
everyone
could
just
hear
directly
from
you
around.
You
know
what
were
your
motivations
to
serve?
Why
did
you
want
to
be
on
an
independent,
redistricting
commission
in
the
first
place
and
I'll
kick
it
off
with
you
cynthia.
C
Hello,
commissioners,
I
tell
a
story
about
remembering
learning
about
gerrymandering
in
fifth
grade
fifth
grade
social
studies,
class
and
just
thinking
wow
that
that's
so
wrong.
It's
such
a
flaw
in
our
democracy
and
when
the
opportunity
came
to
to
vote
for
the
voters
first
act,
I
enthusiastically
did
it
thinking.
Why
did
it
take
200
years
to
fix
this,
but
I
definitely
wanted
to
be
part
of
the
solution,
so
that
was
part
of
my
motivation
to
volunteer
and
I
had
always
been
you
know,
kind
of
civically
engaged.
H
They
were
I
I
was
appointed
and
then
ultimately
became
the
vice
chair,
and
I
really
tried
to
promote
the
lessons
that
I
learned
as
an
intersectional
leader
in
the
community.
At
the
time
I
was
an
advocate
at
the
time
for
the
lgbt
community,
and
so
it
was
an
interesting
balancing
act
once
I
was
on
the
commission
to,
you
know
ultimately
find
a
way
to
represent
everyone
citywide,
but
also
not
lose
sight
of
the
values
that
that
really
motivated
me
to
apply
in
the
first
place.
C
C
H
H
H
It
almost
felt
like
somehow
running
for
congress,
except
I
was
on
a
local
redistricting
commission,
but
you
know.
Ultimately,
I
think
that
those
of
us
who
experienced
that
together
on
the
commission-
I
think
it
really-
you
know
fortified
our.
It
made
us
even
more
resolute
to
get
the
job
done
and
to
do
it
in
in
a
way
that
was
above
all
the
fray
right
and,
and
so
we
did,
we
all
stuck
together.
H
A
G
So
you
know
with
the
presentation
that
I
understand
that
the
commission
received
from
common
cause.
You
would
have
gotten
a
sense
of
the
broader
landscape
and
movement
around
independent
redistricting
reform,
and
I
would
love
to
hear
cynthia
and
carlos
share
a
bit
about
as
you
transitioned
into
this
role.
What
did
you
see
as
some
of
the
most
important
value
or
values
that
a
commissioner
and
commissioner
body
needed
to
demonstrate
and
what
were
the
ways
that
you
actually
demonstrated
that
you?
C
Yeah,
so
one
of
the
most
important
values
was
to
kind
of
maintain
a
non-partisan
ethos.
I
think
it
will
maybe
will
be
less,
perhaps
less,
of
an
issue
for
you
folks,
at
the
local
level,
we
were
clearly
identified
with
a
letter
after
our
names,
and
we
felt
it
was
very
important
to
to
convey
that
we
were.
You
know,
independent
and
nonpartisan.
One
of
the
ways
we
did.
This
was
by
rotating
our
a
chair
and
vice
chair
positions,
which
was
an
innovation
that
the
commission
came
up
with
on
its
own.
C
It
was
not
written
in
the
california
constitution.
What
was
written
is
that
the
chair
and
the
vice
chair
had
to
be
of
different
partisan
affiliations,
and
we
chose
to
take
it
one
step
further
and
rotate
every
every
major
meeting,
and
that
meant
that
at
no
one
time
did
it
look
like
any
particular
party
was
in
control
because
it
would
always
rotate
to
somebody
else,
and
the
vice
chair
would
always
be
of
a
different
party.
C
C
We
almost
always
made
all
of
our
decisions
by
consensus,
and
that
was
by
defining
consensus,
as
everyone
has
had
a
chance
to
have
say
their
peace
and
it's
become
evident.
What
the
will
of
the
commission
is,
and
people
had
a
chance
to
put
their
statement
on
the
public
record
and
then
it's
not
necessary
to
vote,
because
it's
very
clear,
you
know
where
the
majority
of
the
commission
was
headed,
so
we
only
actually
voted
on
on
votes.
C
C
We
were
you
know
in
the
ultimate
fishbowl
under
a
lot
of
scrutiny
as
carlos
described,
but
it
was
really
important
that
people
heard
our
discussions
out
loud.
It
was
actually
illegal
for
us
to
receive
communications
about
redistricting
matters
outside
of
a
public
meeting,
and
we
were
very
careful
about
disclosing
when
we
had
people
try
to
approach
us
independently
would
say.
C
That
was
great
but
for
you
know,
average
people
they
wanted
to
like
learn.
You
know
seven
months
later
why
we
drew
the
district.
The
way
we
did,
they
could
read
our
justification
of
you
know
what
we
did,
what
the
communities
were,
that
we
tried
to
keep
together
in
a
particular
district
and
then
the
last
value
I'd
like
to
talk
about
is
about
access.
C
So
the
other
half
of
transparency
is
providing
access
for
people
public
access,
and
we
did
a
lot
of
things
to
to
make
it
easy
for
people
to
give
public
testimony.
So
you
could
do
it
by
showing
up
at
an
in-person
meeting
and
we
had
a
lot
of
public
input
hearings
all
over
the
state.
You
could
show
up
at
a
regular
business
meeting
and
give
your
public
comment,
and
if
you
were
kind
of
shy
or
too
busy
you
could
you
could
submit
it
by
email.
You
could
post
it
on
the
website.
C
C
People
came,
they
gave
us
maps
that
were
hand-drawn,
you
know
they
that
they
would
put
markers
on
google
maps.
Some
people
had
access
to
sophisticated
the
same
gis
software
that
we
use
and
they
would
give
us
shape
files
or
they'd,
go
to
one
of
our
technical
assistant,
centers
and
work
with
the
consultants
to
to
draw
a
map
of
their
community.
So
we
tried
to
accept
input
and
always
possible.
C
Fortunately,
among
14
people
we
had
people
who
could
translate
even
among
the
commissioners,
so
we
took
advantage
of
that
and
we
didn't
have
a
translator
and
we
posted
all
our
materials
in
six
languages
and
you
know
offered
you
know:
google
translate
on
our
website
as
well.
So
all
of
these
are
important
considerations.
San
jose
has
a
lot
of
ethnic
minorities
and
language
minorities.
So
that's
something
for
you
guys
to
think
about
too.
H
Well,
first,
I
do
think
your
commission
is
incredibly
diverse
and
that's
a
huge
accomplishment,
because
it's
not
always
like
that.
No
matter
how
you
know
a
local
municipality
might
endeavor
to
try
there's
only
so
much
you
can
do
with
the
pool
you
have,
but
it's
great
to
see
you
know
the
sort
of
diversity
of
the
city
reflected.
H
I
think
that
equity
was
really
core.
To
my
you
know
it
was
an
organizing
principle
for
me
because,
as
I
said,
what
motivated
me
be
on
the
commission
in
the
first
place,
is
sort
of
trying
to
provide
voice
to
perhaps
folks
who
were
not
showing
up
in
public
comment
and
trying
to
you
know,
really
ask
the
question
about
who
isn't
reflected
in
the
debate,
rather
than
necessarily
skewing
our
perspective
towards
folks
who
absolutely
were
reflected,
but
who
perhaps
are
always
reflected
in
these
decisions.
H
H
I
was
an
advocate
before
I
was
on
the
commission
enduring.
Actually,
so
I
had
access
to
a
number
of
politicians
who
wanted
to
you
know,
have
these
sidebar
conversations
and
needed
to
resist
those
and
ensure
that
people
had
to
organize
in
the
hearings
just
as
much
as
someone
who
didn't
have
political
influence.
So
integrity,
I
think,
is
the
other
value
that
I
would
emphasize.
G
Both
in
terms
of
technology
has
evolved
in
the
the
recent
years,
since
we
were
doing
our
redistricting
work
and
we're
also
in
this
moment
around
covet
and
so
we'd
love
to
hear
some
thoughts
around
what
were
some
of
the
public
engagement
best
practices,
in
addition
to
what
you've
already
shared,
that
you
would
recommend
and
also
things
that
you're
just
seeing
now,
I
know
both
carlos
and
cynthia.
You
were
actively
involved
in
your
communities
in
various
ways,
and
so
you
know
what
of
of
those
lenses.
Can
you
also
bring
to
their
task
at
hand.
C
C
You
know
the
the
the
educational
effort
is
important
too,
because
I
experienced
this.
You
know
at
the
at
the
state
level.
I
of
course
was
deployed
as
a
outreach
person
for
the
aapi
community,
and
you
know
I
found
myself
on
a
a
chinese
drive
time.
Radio
talk
show
actually
it
served
the
san
francisco
bay
area.
So
someone
might
have
heard
me
on
this
show
perhaps-
and
it
was
it's
a
show
designed
for
you-
know
immigrants.
C
You
know
who
was
born
elsewhere,
but
you
know
as
a
second
generation
american
I
you
know,
I
understand
chinese,
I
speak
some,
and
so
they
put
me
on
this
radio
show,
and
so
I
worked
out
this
deal
with
the
host
where
he
would
ask
me
the
question
in
chinese,
but
I
would
answer
in
english
and
I
was
answering
really
basic
questions
like
what
does
congress
do,
because
to
understand
why
redistricting
is
important.
You
have
to
understand.
C
So
I
got
dispensation
to
answer
in
english
and
you
know
a
lot
of
it
was
just
getting
getting
in,
in
my
case,
the
api
community
to
care,
particularly
ones.
You
know
who
have
not
been
americanized
and
I
I
was
you
know
improving
my
pitch
as
I
went
to
different
organizations
to
speak
and
I
finally
finally
said:
don't
you
want
your
kids
to
go
to
berkeley
or
stanford
then?
C
One
other
thought
is
piggybacking
off
the
census.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
to
share
this
story.
I
did
a
pro
bono
project
for
catholic
charities
of
santa
clara
county,
and
I
know
that
they
were
handing
out
information
about
the
census
in
their
food
distribution
to
again
try
to
get
to
people
who
normally
would
not
necessarily
be
that
politically
engaged
and
you
know
make
sure
they
knew
about
the
senses
and
how
to
fill
it
in
and
they
had
people
there
helping
them.
G
Wonderful,
thank
you
so
much
and
I
from
my
understanding,
there
was
a
lot
of
robust
effort
both
from
the
community
based
organization,
side
and
also
from
the
city
and
you're,
really
your
government
representative.
So
you
have
an
amazing
resource
right
there
with
your
team
at
the
city
to
to
think
about
how
do
you
build
off
of
those
networks
and
those
entities
that
already
have
done
some
education
and
engagement
around
census?
That
then
there
could
be
some
education,
another
layer
of
okay?
What
do
we
do
with
that
data?
G
We
had
you
fill
out
this
form
and
then
the
purpose
of
that
form.
The
next
layer
of
that
is
to
be
able
to
do
maps,
and
so
that's
something
that
we're
seeing
a
lot
in
the
nonprofit
community
that
organizations
that
have
been
on
the
census
are
now
really
trying
to
pivot
and
be
engaged
in
the
next
step
of
the
process.
H
It
should
always
be
that
way,
because
it's
the
natural
extension
of
the
work
that
we
have
to
do
every
10
years,
but
I
guess
I
would
say
you
know,
don't
be
afraid
to
be
an
ambassador
in
your
community
and
be
the
the
human
face
of
you
know
what
can
sometimes
be
like
a
fairly.
You
know:
technocratic
an
opaque
process,
not
everyone
trusts
government
and
that's
a
probably
true
on
both
the
right
and
the
left
and
so
and
you
all
are
really
able
to
break
down.
H
So
the
old
adage
that
you
know
personnel
is
policy.
You
know,
I
see
a
budget
is
policy
and
I
think
it's
important
to
think
creatively
about
how
you
can
leverage
your
limited
resources
in
service
of
reaching
those
who
otherwise
might
not
know
about
the
opportunity
to
to
get
involved.
And
then
the
final
thing
I
would
say
is
I
I
do
think.
H
We've
largely
talked
about
the
pandemic
era
as
a
limiting
factor
when
it
comes
to
engaging
in
robust
public
engagement,
access,
participation,
participation,
but
it
also
might
be
there
might
be
a
silver
lining
there,
because
you
know
if
you
engage
on
digital
channels,
both
through
earned
and
paid
media.
You
could,
you
know,
potentially
get
more
eyeballs
involved
in
this
process
than
than,
if
you
were
in
a
physical
location,
with
all
the
barriers
that
might
come
with
with
showing
up
at
a
hearing.
G
In
this
early
phase,
before
you
have
census
data
to
work
with,
of
course,
you're
going
to
be
engaging
the
public-
and
this
is
really
prime
time
for
doing
some
of
that
educational
work.
One
of
the
things
that
made
it
easier
for
for
those
of
us
who've,
been
commissioners
to
get
out
in
the
community
and
talk
about
redistricting
was
just
having
a
set
of
shared
talking
points
so
that
we
were
all
on
message
and
it
didn't
matter
what
our
kind
of
individual
perspectives
or
party
affiliation
or
neighborhood
etc.
Was?
G
I
know
we
had
a
few
of
us
on
the
california
commission
who
are
able
to
handle
this,
the
spanish
media
inquiries
and
a
lot
of
the
spanish
community
presentations.
And
similarly,
we
just
took
the
same
talking
points
that
we
had
on
the
english
side
and
then
we
were
able
to
adapt
them
for
using
with
the
spanish
communities
and
that
therefore
it
just
it
made
the
lift
lighter.
Because
again
we
know
you're,
all
volunteers,
you
have
other
things
that
you're
trying
to
do
as
well,
so
the
more
that
you're
able
to
streamline
it's.
G
It's
really
helps
to
not
be
a
barrier
for
someone
getting
out
in
the
community.
So
I'll,
just
ask
one
last
question
and
then
open
it
up
for
questions
on
your
end.
There.
The
next
presentation
will
be
about
communities
of
interest,
and
you
know
you
could
take
any
five
people
from
the
same
community
and
hear
something
a
bit
different
in
terms
of
how
they
perceive
their
community,
what
they
might
want.
G
The
maps
to
look
like
in
that
community,
and
so
a
lot
of
you,
could
share
some
perspectives
or
advice
around
what
it
is
like
to
hear
all
these
different
points
of
view
and
and
to
actually
play
your
role
as
commissioner
in
trying
to
reconcile
all
these
different
experiences
that
we
have
as
humans
and
as
citizens
of
a
city.
Carlos
me
I'll
start
with
you
this
time.
H
Well,
I
don't
take
self-care
for
granted.
That's
that's
really
important.
Obviously
you
want
to
make
sure
that-
and
these
meetings
can
be
really
long
so
preparing
for
you
know
maintaining
your
endurance
throughout
the
meeting,
because
the
as
active
a
listener,
as
you
can
be,
and
as
present
as
you
can
be,
the
fairer
the
process
will
be
the
more
reflective
the
process
will
be
of.
H
You
know
the
people
who
spend
the
their
limited
time
participating
in
the
in
this
process
when
very
well
that
you
know
they
could
be
with
their
families
as
well,
but
it
is
tough
to
try
to
you,
know
kind
of
distill
down
into
a
map,
the
the
very
sort
of
vibrant
and
and
diverse.
You
know
set
of
constituencies
that
you
have
to
consider,
so
it
certainly
wasn't
easy.
H
They
came
together
with
the
latino
community,
who
wanted
a
second
empowerment
district
because
they
had
grown
that
significantly.
The
api
community
didn't
have
a
lot
of
representation.
They
wanted
their
first
district
and
the
lgbt
community
wanted
to
preserve
the
boundaries
they
had,
so
they
came
together
and
they
advocated
together,
and
I
thought
that
was
a
really
smart
strategy,
because
otherwise
you
know
you
have
to
you-
do
have
to
make
hard
trade-offs,
but
I
also
think
that
communities
of
interest
obviously
are
not
the
only
you
know,
element
that
you
have
to
consider
here.
H
Equally
important
is
the
district
compact
you
know:
does
it
meet
con
contiguity
standards?
What
is
the
standard
of
deviation?
So
in
some
ways
you
know,
even
if
you
want
to
maximize
what
the
communities
of
interest
desire
in
order
for
different
communities
to
be
able
to
meet
their
full
political
aspirations.
C
So
so
that
is,
you
know
if
they
don't
organize
on
their
own,
like
apparently
they
did
in
san
diego.
Then
you
can.
You
can
often
suggest
it,
but
the
our
experience
at
the
state
level
is
that
we
found
that
in
many
cases
the
communities
were
actually
quite
small
and
easy
to
keep
intact.
We
just
have
to
know
where
they
were.
C
You're
going
to
have
to
split
it
because,
for
example,
you
know
when
we
were
drawing
the
south
bay,
we
had
the
south
asian
district,
the
south
asian
community,
which
is
massive,
of
course
in
the
bay
area,
and
there
was
just
no
way
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
contain
them
in
a
single
assembly
district
or
whatever.
We
were
able
to
actually
draw
them
in
into
a
single
senate
district,
but
which
is
much
larger.
C
C
H
C
C
C
C
You
know,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
everyone
happy
right
and
and
in
some
cases
you
may
actually
decide
that
a
certain
community
should
be
elevated.
Above
others.
We
actually
made
that
decision
in
san
jose
for
the
vietnamese
community.
We
heard
testimony
about
the
evergreen
neighborhood
and
little
saigon
and
how
it
had
been
split
over
and
over
again
multiple
times.
You
know,
into
four
districts
and
into
congressional
districts
and
at
the
state
legislative
districts
as
well,
and
it
just
historically
they
had
just
been.
G
Yeah
one
thing
just
to
add
to
that
is
that
you
know
next
month,
our
presentation
will
be
really
into
the
nitty-gritty
around
legally.
What
are
you
required
to
do
as
a
commission
in
terms
of
federal
law,
state
law,
you
know
the
voting
rights
act,
etc.
When
we're
talking
about
communities
of
interest,
it's
really
an
area
in
which
you,
as
a
commission,
have
a
lot
of
latitude
and
discretion
around
the
testimony
that
you
hear
and
how
to
apply
it,
and
you
know
it's,
it
can
be
actually
a
more
for
me.
G
It
was
a
bit
more
anxiety,
provoking
to
not
have
clarity
on
exactly
what
you
do
or
don't
do
in
terms
of
communities
of
interest
right.
It
feels
it
feels
squishier
for
lack
of
a
better
word
or
more
technical
word.
But
what
I
would
say
there
is,
you
know,
imagine
across
the
whole
state
of
california
all
the
different
layers
of
community
of
interest,
testimony
that
we
got
so
much
of
which
we
had
to
reconcile
and
much
of
it.
That
was
conflicting.
G
We
dealt
with
seven
different
lawsuits
in
regards
to
the
maps
that
we
drew
and
we
won
all
seven
cases
and
we
won
the
cases
not
because
our
maps
were
necessarily
the
be
all
end.
All
I
wish
we
could.
I
could
say
that
we
did
absolutely
everything
perfect,
but
it
time
and
time
again
what
we
heard
from
the
judges
that
were
presiding
over
the
cases
was
that
there
had
been
an
integrity
to
the
process.
G
G
E
E
H
H
As
I
said,
there
was
a
community
that
was
was
really
surrounding
the
airport
and
they
felt
like
they
needed
to
consolidate
their
political
power
so
that
they
could
ultimately
be
able
to
temper
the
expansion
of
the
airport
if
they
needed
to
and
and
really
talk
about,
the
quality
of
life
issues
involved
with
planes
flying
over
them
right
would
have
been
a
lot
harder
if
they
were
divided
that
type
of
thing.
But
I
think
the
ultimate
test
was
you
know.
H
When
we
looked
at
how
the
the
composition
of
the
city
council
ultimately
looked
over
the
la
over
the
last
decade,
it
took
a
while,
because
there
was
for
the
second
latino,
empowerment
district.
Anyway,
there
was
a
white
female
incumbent
who
was
was
in
the
position:
wonderful
lady,
wonderful
public
service
for
servant.
H
But
I
also
think
that
the
partisan
spread
is
was
interesting
in
san
diego
because
both
parties
cried
afoul
about
whether
we
were
putting
our
thumb
on
the
scale
for
one
or
the
other
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
depending
on
whether
it
was
an
even
year
or
an
or
an
off
year.
You
know
like
a
presidential
year
or
or
a
midterm
year.
H
That's
really
what
dictated,
whether
republicans
and
democrats
were
able
to
get
elected
to
two
swing
districts
ultimately
and
so,
and
they
fluctuated
throughout
the
last
10
years,
and
so
that
suggests
to
me
that
it
was
based
on
who
was
better
organized
and
not
based
on
the
the
boundaries
that
we
drew.
So
I
felt
really
good
about
about
that.
But
you
don't
always
know
in
the
immediate
aftermath
whether
your
map
did
the
job.
C
C
You
know
latino
empowerment
districts
and
we
drew
the
number
that
we
felt
was
justified
and
it
was
less
than
they
wanted,
but
they
looked
at
the
map
nationwide
and
they
decided
to
sue
texas
instead.
So
so
we
think
they
made
the
right
decision
and
also
you
know
it
our
of
course
the
2010.
You
know,
crc's
maps
have
been
studied
by
academics
up
and
down.
C
You
know
everywhere
on
every
metric
we
improve
the
maps.
In
terms
of
you
know:
fewer
splits,
you
know
more
vra
districts,
you
know
more
compact,
more
competitive,
even
though
competitiveness
was
not
one
of
our
criteria.
They've
turned
out
to
be
more
competitive
and
probably
more
important.
More
responsive,
michael
at
the
brennan
center
actually
made
that
comment
that
california
has
has
one
of
the
most
responsive
maps
in
the
nation,
and
that
means
that
the
is
exactly
what
carlos
was
talking
about.
C
The
districts
will
flip
if
the
electorate
changes
underneath,
and
that
means
it
hasn't
been
gerrymandered.
So
if
the
electorate
chooses
somebody
else,
the
district
will
flip
and
you
remember
the
last
election.
There
were
seven
districts
that
nobody
knew
what
the
outcome
was,
because
it
was
so
close.
C
So
and
those
you
know,
districts
were
not
drawn
with
any
partisan
considerations.
They
were.
They
were
drawn
based
on
the
rank,
order,
criteria
that
we
were
given
so
and
again.
The
report
that
we
wrote
at
the
end
it
showed
how
we
fulfilled
each
of
the
rank
ordered
criteria
in
sequence.
You
know
in
order.
G
C
G
Was
it
gallop
and
sadly,
there
was
only
like
a
third
of
californians
that
even
knew
that
there
was
a
redistricting
commission
doing
the
work
but
of
the
people
who
knew
about
the
redistricting
commission,
two-thirds
approved
of
the
work
that
we
had
done,
which
you
know.
To
be
honest,
I
think
we
were
even
a
bit
surprised
by
because
it
felt
like
when
we
were
doing
the
job
that
there
was
no
way
we
could
make
everybody
happy
or
even
half
the
people
happy
so
to
have
you
know.
C
I
was
going
to
say
the
candidates
also,
you
know
the
elected
officials
actually
approve
of
the
process
too,
and-
and
the
legislature
actually
stepped
in
to
you
know,
help
amend
the
constitution
to
deal
with
the
census
delays
this
year
and
they
kind
of
did
that
on
their
own.
So
so
even
the
legislature,
who
you
know
of
course,
greatly
wanted
to
see
us
fail,
since
they
have
been
fired
from
the
job,
actually
have
ended
up
being
supporters
of
the.
C
B
A
B
A
B
Last
questions
yeah,
I
I
would
a
couple
things
one!
Thank
you
all
so
much
I
mean
just
the
process
that
you
went
through
all
of
you.
It
sounds
so
harrowing
and
you
guys
were
really
blazing
a
trail
that
and
and
the
fact
that
you're
continuing
to
serve
by
making
yourselves
available
as
a
resource
is
like
incredible.
So
thank
you
so
much.
I
really
a
couple
of
things
that
jumped
out
at
me
is
that
you
also
said
the
state
commission.
B
I
am
assuming
this
was
true
with
the
city
of
san
diego
as
well,
that
you
had
people
that
didn't
have
any
prior
experience
in
any
anything
like
this,
which
is
also,
I
think,
very
comforting.
It's
just
normal
folks,
right
from
the
community,
which
is
which
is
really
cool.
Actually
I've.
I've
commented
on
that
about
our
commission
here,
it's
it's
just.
It's
really,
nice
that
it's
not
you
know
stacked
with
any
with
a
bunch
of
insiders,
necessarily
it's
just
folks
who
care
about
the
community
and
so
that
that
was
really
nice.
B
B
Those
districts
have
strong
identities
as
they
currently
exist.
So
I
love
your
thoughts
about
how
much
we
should
be
thinking.
I've
tried
to
keep
folks
from
talking
about
what
district
they're
from
and
talk
more
about
what
neighborhood
they're
from.
But
if
you
could
help
us
think
about,
like
you
know,
shedding
that
kind
of
construct.
That's
one
question
and
then
another
question
is
because
of
the
census
data.
We
have
a
lengthy
delay
between
now
and
when
we
get
the
data
data,
which
can
be
a
huge
benefit.
B
C
H
Yeah,
well
I
mean
we,
we
we,
I
think,
overhauled
the
the
lines
and
from
the
previous
map,
but
that
was
largely
dictated
on
just
the
fact
that
there
were
growth
patterns
that
we
needed
to
take
into
consideration
and
and
a
loss
of
growth,
and
so
the
you
know
we
really.
We
couldn't
deviate
too
much
between
one
district
and
the
next
in
terms
of
how
many
actual
people
were
in
any
given
district.
H
So
if
a
district
had
grown
by
five
or
ten
percent,
the
existing
lines
were
totally
indefensible
because
and
that's
what
this
process
is
for
right
to
to
make
each
district
more
representational
and
and
that
each
district
have
equal
representation
in
terms
of
numbers
right.
So
I
I
thought
that
that
basing
the
the
the
boundaries
on
on
where
the
city
was
growing,
the
most
as
a
first
kind
of
first
draft
was
was
helpful
just
to
kind
of
see
from
a
data-driven
perspective.
H
You
know
what
like
what
could?
What?
What
does
the
math
dictate?
I
thought
that
was
actually
a
really
helpful
objective
indicator
and
then
you
have
to
overlay
everything
else,
because
everything
else
is
equally
important,
but
it
also
sets,
I
think,
the
table
for
you
about.
What's
what's
achievable,.
C
Then,
on
the
second
question,
you
know,
as
you
may
recall,
the
2010
california
citizens
registry
commission
had
a
ridiculous
schedule
because
it
took
them
18
months,
just
to
choose
us
and
then
you
know
we
had
eight
months
to
do
the
job,
and
then
the
people
passed
the
voters
first
staff
for
congress
and
tacked
on
congressional
districts
and
gave
us
one
month
left.
So
we
had
like
seven
months
to
do
the
entire
thing,
so
it
was
just
nuts
plus
start
a
government
agency
that
normally
takes
a
year
to
establish.
C
You
know
we
we
just
we're
just
working
all
the
time,
because
we
we
had
to
get
it
right
and
we
had
an
absolute
final
deadline.
The
the
new
2020
crc
is
facing
exactly
the
same
situation.
You
are
where
they're
waiting
for
the
census
data-
and
this
is
going
to
be
this
extended
process
and
then
they're
going
to
have
to
just
jam
everything
through
at
the
end
when
they
get
the
census
data.
C
So
you
know
what
we've
recommended
to
them
is
just
to
do
a
really
good
job
of
capturing
all
the
all
the
community
of
interest
data.
You
know
map
that
all
out
get
that
all
ready
to
go.
You
can
use
census
estimates.
You
know
the
2019
american
community
survey,
so
there
are
pretty
good
census
estimates
for
california
that
you
ought
to
be
able
to
use
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
the
districts
are.
Gonna
look
like
and
then,
when
the
actual
data
comes
in,
just
overlay
it
and
and
and
tweak
it.
G
One
dynamic
that
we
found
when,
after
we
released
our
draft
maps,
was
that
the
level
of
specificity
of
the
input
that
we
got
changed
dramatically
and
it
didn't
matter
how
you
know
we
had
a
template
and
we
we
encourage
people
to
talk
about.
You,
know
boundaries,
street
names,
etc.
Once
there's
actually
a
map.
C
And
I'd
recommend
you
get
a
draft
map
out
as
quickly
as
possible
because
people,
just
as
as
connie
said,
it's
very
hard
for
people
to
respond
to
something
conceptual
when
you
actually
have
lines
on
a
map.
Oh
you
know
we
got
so
many
tomatoes
thrown
at
us
after
our
first
draft
map,
so
much
so,
and
such
a
volume
of
very
specific
actionable
input
that
we
actually
decided
not
to
do
a
second
draft
map.
We
originally
we
had
planned
to
do
two
draft
maps
and
we
just
realized
we.
C
B
D
A
My
name
is
carol
watts
and
I'm
the
president
of
the
league
of
women
voters
of
san
jose
santa
clara,
and
we
thank
each
of
you
for
committing
your
valuable
time
and
energy
to
serve
on
this
redistricting
commission.
As
you
know,
you've
gone
on
a
very
important
task
to
redo
redraw
these
maps
and
to
follow
the
requirements
of
the
acts
and
prioritize
keeping
the
communities
in
in
order.
A
I'm
sorry,
you
just
changed
my
screen:
okay,
to
keep
the
communities
of
interest
whole
to
achieve
the
more
more
public
input
from
all
the
communities,
including
those
who
are
not
often
hurt.
We
applaud
your
desire
to
do
education
and
outreach
to
identify
these
community
concerns
and
needs,
and
we're
pleased
to
hear
that
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
schedule
public
meetings
held
at
different
times
during
the
day,
so
that
the
people
can
engage
in
and
have
a
voice
on
how
these
districts
are
drawn.
A
A
B
G
B
B
G
Sounds
good.
I
will
be
very
brief,
because
we
have
someone
here
who
can
speak
to
communities
of
interest
and
a
lot
of
depth,
which
I
know
you
were
really
eager
to
do
tonight.
I'd
like
to
introduce
you
to
dr
john
dobard.
He
is
the
director
of
political
voice
at
a
non-profit,
nonpartisan
organization
called
advancement
project.
California,
if
you're
not
aware
of
them,
look
them
up.
G
They
do
amazing
work
in
particular,
dr
dobard's
role
is
eliminating
disparities
around
government
responsiveness
and
public
participation,
which
really
gets
at
the
heart
of
the
matter
when
it
comes
to
redistricting
and
so
in
his
presentation.
He'll
share
some
fundamental
concepts
around
communities
of
interest,
building
on
what
we
just
discussed
with
the
commissioners
and
also
get
into
more
of
the
best
practices
of
how
you
actually
go
out
into
community
and
solicit
the
right
type
of
testimony
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
do
your
job.
G
G
I
Great
thank
you
connie
and
good
evening.
Commissioner
again,
my
name
is
john
dobard
and
I
direct
the
political
voice
program
at
advancement
project,
california,
which
is
a
racial
justice
organization
that
works
alongside
community
partners
across
the
state
to
transform
public
institutions
and
shift
public
investments
to
achieve
racial
equity.
I
I
I
Additionally,
in
collaboration
with
other
organizations,
we
monitor
commission
processes
and
advocate
when
and
where
necessary
and
finally,
building
off
of
work
that
advancement
project
california
did
during
the
2011
redistricting
cycle.
We
provide
support
to
community
organizations
and
community
residents
on
data
and
mapping.
I
Tonight
I'll
be
speaking
to
you
about
best
practices
when
it
comes
to
public
engagement
for
and
and
and
understanding
communities
of
interest.
I'll
talk
about
things
you'll
want
to
consider
when
it
comes
to
meeting
structure,
resources
and
outreach,
but
I'm
going
to
begin
by
saying
a
little
bit
about
what
communities
of
interest
or
also
referred
to
as
coi
what
what
a
community
of
interest
is.
I
I
I
So
a
coi
is
a
community
that
shares
interests
yes
and
shares
geography.
So
it's
both
interest
and
and
geography
at
the
same
time
as
it
provides
a
definition
for
coi
or
for
what
a
coi
is.
The
the
state's
definition
also
includes
some
indication
of
what
a
coi
is
not,
and
so,
according
to
the
state,
communities
of
interest
do
not
include
relationships
to
political
parties,
incumbents
or
political
candidates.
I
I
I
I
The
best
source
of
information
will
be
the
people,
your
city's
residents.
You
should
rely
heavily
on
them
to
tell
you
what
their
communities
are
and
to
get
the
most
useful
information
in
the
most
efficient
way.
You'll
need
to
have
an
effective
public
engagement
process,
which
is
what
I'll
turn
to
talking
about.
Now,
I'm
going
to
start
with
what
I
think
should
be
a
core
principle,
if
not
the
core
principle
that
guides
your
approach
to
public
engagement
and
the
collection
of
coi
testimony
and
just
a
forewarning.
I
I
The
explanatory
factors,
for
particular
disparities
in
participation
vary,
but
there
are
some
factors
that
recur
again
and
again
in
research,
and
none
of
them
are
about
apathy.
I
want
to
make
that
clear.
Instead,
they're
about
barriers
or
things
that
hinder
or
get
in
the
way
of
people
being
able
to
participate
and
some
common
barriers
related
to
racial
and
socio-economic
disparities
are
actually
some
things
that
we've
already
heard
tonight.
I
So
these
are
some
common
barriers
that
we
see
come
up
again
again
and
again
in
research
on
despair,
racial
and
social,
economic
disparities
in
political
participation,
I've
highlighted
people
of
color
and
people
with
lower
levels
of
income
and
education,
as
demographic
groups
that
tend
to
face
barriers
to
political
participation
and
any
commissioners
quickly
name.
Some
other
populations
that
that
face
unique
barriers
just
want
to
quickly
go
off,
mute
and
throw
out
some
names
of
some
other
populations
that
might
face
unique
barriers.
I
Yep,
those
are
certainly
certainly
groups
that
might
face
unique
barriers
or
a
lot
that
are
likely
to
face
unique
barriers
when
it
comes
to
to
public
participation,
in
addition
to
those
groups,
I'll
just
mention
youth
seniors,
lgbtq
residents,
and
that
was
mentioned
that
that
population
was
mentioned
earlier.
So
so,
as
you
think
about
how
to
structure
your
process
for
gathering
coi
information
start
from
the
reality
of
disparities
in
political
participation
and
put
the
principle
of
equitable
access
at
the
at
the
heart
of
your
thinking.
I
Approximately
40
of
your
residents
are
foreign
born
57
of
people
5
years
and
older
speak
a
language
other
than
english
at
home,
and
you
have
a
sizable
portion
of
your
population
that
are
renters
for
those
that
are
renters.
So
these
demographics
suggest
that
many
city
residents
are
likely
to
face
some
familiar
barriers,
such
as
trust,
language,
time
constraints,
child
care
and
transportation.
I
The
other
reason
to
consider
going
beyond
the
minimum
requirement
concerns
the
types
of
opportunities
you'll
want
to
provide
residents.
To
give
you
useful
information,
you
should
follow
the
fair
maps
act,
which
is
a
piece
of
legislation
that
passed
in
2019
that
lays
out
guidelines
for
local
redistricting
and
in
that
legislation
should
follow
it
with
respect
to
what
it,
what
it
outlines
for,
structuring
your
public
meetings
and
and
how
many
meetings
you
have
to
hear
from
residents
after
drafting
maps
should
depend
on
how
many
drafts
you
develop,
and
that
may
mean
going
beyond
three
meetings.
I
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
timing
and
location
of
those
opportunities
tend
to
above
of
participation.
Opportunities
tend
to
be
common
barriers
for
participation
for
certain
populations,
and
because
of
this,
you
all
should
consider
prioritizing
weekday
evenings
and
weekends
for
scheduling
all
of
your
meetings.
This
is
something
that
the
fair
maps-
well,
the
fair
maps
act
actually
calls
for
at
least
one
meeting
to
be
held
outside
of
regular
business
hours,
so
that
is
saturday
or
sunday
or
after
6
p.m.
On
a
weekday,
I
encourage
you
to
consider
all
of
your
meetings.
I
Outside
of
regular
business
hours
to
just
increase
the
opportunities
for
community
residents
to
be
able
to
participate
beyond
timing,
you
want
to
be
mindful
of
location,
and
you
know,
as
things
open
up,
the
possibilities
for
in-person
meetings
are
going
to.
You
know,
become
more
and
more
prevalent
and
you'll.
I
I
You
should
provide
more
information
on
your
website.
Just
want
to
want
to
start
with
that.
There's
not
much
information
for
the
public
on
on
the
on
san
jose's
redistricting
website,
it's
standard
to
usually
have
info
about
the
commission
and
and
and
who
the
commissioners
are
general
information
on
opportunities
to
get
involved
and
how
people
can
actually
get
involved,
as
well
as
information
about
places
for
or
actually
access
for,
people
to
subscribe,
specifically
for
updates
from
the
commission.
I
I
I
also
encourage
you
to
post
agendas
well
in
advance
and
with
clear
information
about
topics
so
when
seeking
coi
testimony
consider
posting
weeks
in
advance
not
just
days
and
clearly
state
what
will
be
covered
also
clearly
state
how
long
people
will
have
to
provide
public
comment
or
comment
on
their
community
of
interest.
Your
april
and
may
agendas
indicate
time
for
public
comment
and,
and
those
agendas
provide
some
instructions
about
how
to
provide
public
comment,
but
they
don't
clarify
how
long
a
person
has
or
will
have
to
speak.
I
They
simply
say
when
called
please
limit
your
remarks
to
the
time
allotted.
By
contrast,
I
saw
an
agenda
for
the
clean
energy
community
advisory
commission
and
that
agenda
states
that
people
providing
comment
are
usually
given
two
minutes
and
that
people
using
a
translator
will
be
given
twice
the
amount
of
time
allotted
allotted
when
they
need
a
translator.
I
Your
agenda
should
follow
that
example.
In
terms
of
clarity,
it
will
certainly
help
community
members
prepare
their
remarks
when
you
know
how
much
time
you
have,
you
can
be
better
at
preparing
your
remarks
so
giving
the
public
that
information
in
advance
will
be
very
helpful.
It
will
also
help
you
maximize
your
time.
I
I
You
also
want
to
ensure
that
your
materials
are
accessible
based
on
your
website.
It
looks
as
though
all
materials
are
in
english
and
pdf
format,
and
please
understand
that
that
limits
access
for
for
certain
people,
namely
people
with
limited
or
no
english
proficiency,
as
well
as
people
with
visual
impairment.
I
With
respect
to
how
you
communicate
at
meetings,
you're
going
to
want
to
make
sure
you
use
plain
language
and
avoid
avoid
jargon
to
the
extent
that
you
can,
I
mean
we
are
talking
about
redistricting,
there
is
there.
There
is
some
technical
language
and
language,
that's
unique
to
redistricting,
but
as
much
as
possible,
try
to
use
plain
language,
and
if
you
can
try
to
translate
that
technical
language
into
plain
language
also
use
interpreter
services.
I
You'll
want
to
make
sure
again.
This
is
about
making
this
process
accessible
to
as
many
residents
as
possible.
Again,
you
have
a
sizable
portion
of
the
population
that
speaks
in
a
language
other
than
english
at
home,
so
you
should
strongly
consider
making
making
interpreter
services
accessible
and
and
accessible
to
to
community
residents.
I
You
also
want
to
consider
providing
an
adequate
amount
of
time
for
for
public
comment.
If
your
outreach
is
effective,
then
you
should
have
robust
participation
in
your
process
and
and
at
your
meetings,
and
it
will
be,
it
will
likely
be
difficult
for
community
members
to
to
effectively
talk
about
their
communities
in
two
minutes
or
less.
I
saw
that
tonight
for
public
comment.
People
are
being
offered
two
minutes
and
again
referencing
the
agenda
from
the
the
advisory
commission.
I
I
All
right,
the
next
issue,
where
the
equitable
access
principle
should
should
apply,
concerns
resources,
and
this
is
about
what
tools
you
make
available
for
people
to
articulate
their
community
of
interest.
Earlier
I
mentioned
that
advancement
project,
california,
provided
community
organizations
and
residents
data
and
mapping
support.
During
the
2011
redistricting
cycle,
we
developed
a
publicly
accessible
online
mapping
tool
that
allowed
community
residents
to
draw
their
maps
for
submission
in
redistricting
processes,
mainly
at
the
state
level,
but
also
at
the
local
level.
I
At
the
time
such
platforms,
these
types
of
platforms
were
rare
since
then,
and
fortunately,
we've
seen
a
proliferation
of
publicly
accessible
tools
and
it's
my
understanding
that
you'll
be
using
one
of
these
tools,
which
is
district
and
and
that's
great,
to
be
successful.
Though
you'll
you'll
have
to
make
sure
that
residents
actually
know
they
have
to
know
about
the
tool
and
they
have
to
know
how
to
use
it.
So
you'll
need
to
think
about
how
you
encourage
how
you
actually
encourage
residents
to
use
it
and
how
you
educate
them
about
using
it.
I
I
This
mapping
tool
is
one
form
and
it
streamlines
it,
but
you
shouldn't
exclude
other
forms
of
submission,
so
undoubtedly
maps
will
help
you
visualize
the
geographic
boundaries
that
make
up
communities
of
interest,
but
you
should
also
receive
verbal
and
written
information
about
those
communities,
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
cynthia
and
carlos
both
touched
on.
You
want
to
you
want
to.
You
want
to
yeah,
there's
the
maps
but
they're
they're.
You
want
to
receive
information
in
other
forms
participation.
I
So
the
your
information
sources
will
be
maps
and
and
and
worksheets
and
and
and
then
what
you,
what
you've
recorded
in
public
comment
and
you
should
when
it
comes
to
the
worksheets
and
the
maps,
then
what
I'm
saying
here
is
allow
multiple
forms
of
submission.
So
that
means
in
person
via
email,
traditional
mail
and
fax.
I
The
last
issue
I'll
talk
about
where
you
should
apply
the
equitable
access
principle
concerns
outreach
to
generate
robust
outreach
from
residents.
You
should
follow
the
approach
that
the
state
took
on
the
since
on
census,
outreach,
and
this
is
something
that
cynthia
mentioned
and
and
and
you
should
strive
for-
surround
sound
messaging
with
messages
tailored
to
those
populations
that
are
less
likely
to
participate
and
that's
what
the
state
did.
Their
outreach
effort
was
really
focused
on
reaching
what
are
known
as
hard
to
count
populations.
I
What
was
needed
was
a
campaign
that
was
going
to
reach
those
those
segments
of
the
population
less
likely
to
participate,
and-
and
so
that's
something
for
you
to
think
about-
is
think
about.
What
are
those
groups
that
again
are
likely
to
face?
Barriers
are
less
likely
to
participate.
How
do
we
reach
them
again?
You'll
want
surround
sound
messaging
and
you'll
want
to
have
tailored
messages
to
specific
groups
and
how
you
deliver
those
messages
and
and
who
delivers.
I
Those
messages
will
be
critical
to
reaching
those
populations
when
it
comes
to
how
you
should
consider
a
wide
range
of
tactics
and
those
tactics
are
on
your
screen.
They
include
traditional
media,
social
media
text,
messages,
phone
messages,
announcements
at
public
meetings,
emails,
flyers,
door-to-door
door-to-door
outreach,
if
possible,
car
caravans,
if
possible-
and
those
are
some
things
that
we
saw
during
during
the
census-
outreach.
I
Similarly,
when
it
comes
to
who
consider
a
wide
range
of
messengers-
and
that
includes
ethnic
media,
social
media,
influencers,
government
departments,
schools
and
community
based
organizations-
and
I
think
that's
also
something
that
that
came
up
earlier
during
the
panel
so
again
surround
sound
messaging
messages
and
and
being
very
mindful
about
the
wide
range
of
tactics
and
messengers
that
you
should
be
using
again.
The
census
outreach
campaign
is
an
example
of
where
an
emphasis
was
was
placed
on
trusted.
I
Messengers
and
cbo's
played
a
key
role
across
the
state,
and
I
know
right
right.
There
in
san
jose
cbo's
played
a
key
role
advancement
project.
California
was
part
of
the
recount
la
census
campaign,
which
was
a
county-wide
campaign
to
conduct
coordinated,
cbo
outreach
to
residents
that
face
barriers
to
census
participation,
and
there
was
a
similar
effort
in
san
jose.
I
Those
organizations
include
the
ones
that
you
see
on
your
screen:
african-american,
the
community
services
agency
care,
california,
jakarta
movement,
working
partnerships,
etc.
You
should
tap
into
this
network
and
again
this
was
something
that
was
mentioned
earlier.
You
don't
need
to
recreate
the
wheel.
You
have
infrastructure
tap
into
that
existing
infrastructure,
see
this
this
infrastructure
and
this
network
as
a
resource
for
for
reaching
those
those
populations
that
are
that
are
that
are
less
likely
to
to
participate.
I
B
I
Surveys
they
get
get
at
the
type
of
the
redistricting
information.
Yes,
so
again,
I'll
reference,
the
state
double
commission
that
connie
was
on
they
one
of
the
things
they
did
well
was
thought
very
deeply
about
engagement
and-
and
that
was
a
core
part
of
the
work
that
they
did
and
they
have
worksheets
again.
There
are
other
worksheets
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
share
some
examples
after
this,
but
I
would
direct
you
to
direct
you
to
to
to
their
example.
They
had
a
one,
it
was
a
one
sheet
and
it
was
easy.
I
It
asked
it.
It
was
plain
language,
it
was
direct
and
and
well
connie
can
speak
to
you
about
how
well
it
worked.
But
but
you
know
it
was
available
and
like
it
was
in
plain
language,
it
was
short,
it
didn't
require
a
lot
of
time
and
it
got
right
to
the
heart
of
the
matter
right
to
the
heart
of
the
type
of
information
that
the
commission
needed.
A
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
virtual
approach
because
they
don't
have
the
sophistication
or
do
they
have
the
wi-fi
to
do
that.
So
that's
really
something
that
I'm
really
worried
about
that.
We
really
need
to
do
some
in
person
for
them
and
and
we're
not
really
relying
fully
on
the
virtual,
because
they
really
have
a
hard
time
with
that
they
just
don't
have
the
facility,
nor
do
they
have
the
wi-fi
ban
in
their
homes.
We've
got
three
or
four
families
living
in
one
house.
B
F
B
F
You
you
actually
segued
nicely
into
what
I
was
going
to
add
about
the
the
comment
in
the
presentation
about
meetings.
The
the
resolution
that
the
council
passed
to
establish
the
redistricting
commission
does
require
at
least
one
meeting
in
each
council
district
to
the
extent
practical,
practicable
and
consistent
with
public
health
orders.
So
as
things
open
up,
we
may
be
able
to
do
that.
F
A
J
J
I
So
I
don't
think
there's
a
hard
and
fast
rule.
I
think
much
depends
on
context,
but
I
would
encourage
thinking
closer
to
the
three
to
five
minute
range
somewhere.
I'm
not
I'm
not
saying
to
think
of
five
minutes
as
the
cutoff,
but
I'm
I'm
encouraging
you
to
think
closer
to
to
that
to
that
range,
then
two
minutes.
I
G
We
did
give
three
minutes.
The
thing
I
would
you
know
maybe
add
to
that
as
well,
is
that
you
will,
because
of
I
know
personally,
how
dynamic
of
a
community
that
you
have
in
san
jose
and
with
a
really
but
robust
civic
infrastructure,
non-profit
infrastructure,
you
name
it,
and
so
one
thing
that
we
did
at
the
state
level
is
that
we
had
some
hearings
that
we
specifically
designated
were
for
larger
stakeholder
groups
to
give
presentations,
and
so
the
average
person
could
come
and
do
their
three
minutes.
G
G
Some
of
them
were
membership
organizations,
and
so
we
actually
gave
them
20
minutes
to
present
and
in
many
cases
they
presented
materials
to
the
commission
ahead
of
time
that
might
have
included
a
report
or
it
might
have
included
a
letter
and
then
they
would
kind
of
explain
their
point
of
view
in
a
bit
more
detail,
and
so
that's
something
that
you
might
think
about
in
san
jose.
Just
given
the
community
there.
G
Maybe
you
have,
and
it
may
not
even
be
20
minutes,
it
might
be
10
minutes,
but
something
where
entities
that
are
able
to
aggregate
a
lot
of
really
great
testimony
in
a
way
that
helps
make
your
job
easier.
Is
one
thing
to
think
about,
and
in
our
case
too,
you
know
it.
Just
we
were.
Our
budget
was
really
modest.
Now
we
had
a
much
bigger
geography,
but
because
we
were
largely
working
with
donated
spaces,
we
couldn't
always
guarantee
how
long
we
would
have
a
physical
space
available.
G
G
But
in
the
beginning
we
had
some
sessions
that
would
go
hours
and
hours
and
we
were
inclined
to
stay
until
everyone
had
said
their
peace.
But
then
we
realized
when
we
went
on
to
the
next
meeting.
That
venue
was
kicking
us
out
early
and
so
people
who
had
come
late
thinking
that
they
were
going
to
get
a
chance
to
present.
G
They
actually
got
cut
off
early,
so
really
knowing
as
you're
going
ahead
like
what
are
the
logistics
opportunities
and
constraints
and
just
making
sure
that
you're
really
fair
and
clear
around
what
people
should
expect
when
they
show
up.
Because
the
last
thing
you
want
to
do
is
actually
do
the
great
work
of
the
education
and
getting
people
excited
about
redistricting
and
then
to
find
out
that
they
actually
don't
have
time
to
speak.
And
that
can
be
really
deflating.
I
I
was
just
gonna
add.
This
is
also
why
you'll
want
to
really
do
what
you
can
to
upload
various
ways
for
people
to
submit
information.
Public
comment
is
one
way
and
there
are
people
who
are
going
to
be
eager
to
do
that.
There's
some
people
who
aren't
going
to
and
but
they,
but
they
still
may
want
to
share
their
information,
and
so
just
as
much
as
possible
and
at
all
the
points
that
you
can
reinforcing
that
there
are
multiple
ways
for
people
to
get
information
to
you.
A
I
I
G
So
so
redistricting
partners
will
also
be
able
to
provide
resources
like
a
template
that
you
could
use.
You
could
certainly
the
the
commission
at
the
state
level
now
has
a
very
similar
form
where
it's
almost
like
a
fill
in
the
blank.
It
provides
a
series
of
prompts
to
be
able
to
answer
the
questions
in
a
way
that
they
have
both
the
component
of
what
do
these
communities
of
interest
share
and
how
are
they
geographically
connected
or
what
are
the
boundaries
of
it?
Chris?
J
J
Testimony
really
is
something
we
call
a
placemat
and
it's
old
school
pen
and
paper
submissions
for
for
the
public,
who
don't
want
to
do
anything
virtually
and
can
trace
either
a
community
of
interest
or
sketch
out
a
district
plan.
So
that's
something
else
that
we'll
be
developing
for
you
as
we
move
forward
into
public
outreach
hearings.
I
Yes,
so
what
we
know,
at
least
based
on
studies
around
get
out
the
vote.
We
know
that
there's
no
substitute
for
in-person
outreach,
there's
really
nothing
that
will
that
replaces
the
the
return
on
your
your
investment.
There
I
mean
you
the
likelihood
of
getting
someone
to
actually
act
from
having
someone
in
person
speak
with
them
is
higher
when
it
comes
to
in
person
than
really
any
other
form
of
power.
I
That
said,
we
also
know,
through
focus
groups
that
we've
done
and
surveys
that
we've
done,
that
there
are
other
forms
of
reaching
folks
that
people
find
acceptable
and
and
prefer
like
text
messaging
or
emails.
Those
are
good,
effective
ways
of
of
reaching
people.
The
there's
just
been
that
question
of.
Does
that
get
them
to
act,
so,
if
you're
trying
to
get
them
to
do
something,
you
can
notify
them,
but
if
you're
using
that
to
get
them
to
act.
I
That's
that's
a
that's!
That's
a
bit
different
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
that
in
person
is
more
effective
and
not
just
notifying
but
getting
someone
to
act
and
really
any
other
form
of
participation.
So,
if
you're
able
to
partner
with
those
trusted
messengers
and
find
community
residents
that
are
trusted
by
others
in
the
community
to
to
speak
on
on
your
behalf
and
encourage
people
to
participate,
that's
going
to
be
the
most
effective
way
you!
I
G
Yeah
and
I'll
just
expand
when
you
in
terms
of
community
organizations.
You
know
for
some
of
us
that
may
mean,
like
the
catholic
charities
example
that
we
heard
earlier.
You
know
one
of
you
spoke
about
the
schools,
and
that
is
also
a
really
critical
place
where
a
lot
of
different
supports
and
services
are
provided.
Churches
can
also
be
a
really
critical
place
where
you
know
I
mean
talk
about
trusted
messenger
for
people
who
are
in
various
faith
communities.
G
That
is
a
place
where
they
get
a
lot
of
their
kind
of
information
and
contacts
and
then
just
given
the
particular
demographics
in
san
jose.
Also,
you
know
thinking
about
your
the
ethnic
media
channels
that
you
have
particularly
for
recent
immigrant
populations,
where
you
may
have
information
and
resources
that
are
being
distributed
in
people's
native
languages
and
so
being
able
to
just.
You
know
that
mindset
of,
where
are
people
already
getting
their
information?
Who
do
they
already
trust?
G
And
how
do
we
partner
and
embed
this
information
about
redistricting
to
into
that
channel
versus
thinking
that
you're
gonna
kind
of
create
or
leverage
your
own
redistricting
channel,
and
then
everyone's
gonna
come
to
that?
You
certainly
need
just
for
purposes
of
the
public
process
and
being
a
you
know,
an
entity
that
is
part
of
government.
You
need
to
have
your
own
channel
as
well,
but
it
is
a
very
particular
audience.
That's
going
to
be
tracking
that
channel
versus
going
to
the
places
they
would
normally
go.
A
Linka,
I
just
had
one
more
question:
if
you
didn't
mind
sure-
and
that
was
on
on
the
california
election
code
on
section
21
621,
the
shared
social
and
or
or
economic
interest.
You
give
a
few
examples,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
kind
of
clear
in
my
mind
as
to
what
exactly
the
term
economic
interest
means-
and
maybe
maybe
it
belies
a
definition.
But
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
little
bit
more
guidance,
in
particular
on
that
component.
I
G
Just
added
an
example,
thinking
of
it
also
from
an
industry
perspective,
you
know
what
are
the
main
economic
drivers
in
in
the
different
parts
of
your
community
in
san
jose,
and
you
know
I
think,
of
some
of
the
testimony
we
heard
when
we
were
in
northern
california
in
some
of
the
areas
that
are
big
grape
growing
and
winery
regions.
And
so
we
were
hearing
testimony
around
how
the
growers
and
the
distributors
had
been
split
up
in
previous
rounds
of
districts,
and
it
had
made
it
really
challenging
when
they
were
dealing
with
environmental
issues.
G
That
actually
impacted
the
whole
industry,
and
you
know
whether
it
was
water
access,
et
cetera,
and
so
you
might
think
about.
You
know
the
high-tech
industry
that
you
have
there
and
sort
of
how
that's
clustered,
or
you
know
it
might
come
up
in
terms
of
industrial
areas
that
you
have
in
the
city
that
have
a
particular
set
of
needs,
around
land
use
planning
and
that
type
of
a
thing.
I
G
With
the
city
staff
and
and
getting
a
sense
of
what
connections
they
have,
that
could
be
leveraged.
I
know
in
our
case
we
did
have
some
modest
communication
support
on
the
state
level
commission,
but
that
those
relationships
with
ethnic
media
were
actually
not
part
of
of
what
came
with
that,
and
so
we,
as
individual
commissioners,
worked
our
own
personal
networks
a
lot,
and
you
know
who
do
you
know
who
knows
somebody
else
and
just
having
a
shared
set
of
pitch
materials.
That
has
a
really
clear.
G
You
know,
because
there
are
reporters
who
may
be
following
a
beat
that
already
touches
on
political
issues.
They
may
know
what
redistricting
is,
but
by
the
time
you
get
to
ethnic
media
oftentimes,
there's
not
as
much
of
a
specialization
of
somebody
who
specifically
does
that,
and
so
you
know,
commissioner
dye
who
we
heard
from
earlier.
You
know
she
had
this
way
of.
Oh
what
what
this
audience
is
going
to
care
about
is.
I
And
and
I'll
add,
given
that
we're
talking
about
media
also
think
about
social
media
personalities
that
may
have
reach
in
san
jose.
That
was
also
something
that
the
since
that
that
was
part
of
the
census
campaign.
There
was
there
were
partnerships
with
particular
social
media
influencers
to
have
them
talk
about
the
census,
and
so
that's
something
that
you
should
consider.
If
you
know
that
there's
you
know
a
youtube
personality
or
some
personality
with
real
reach
in
san
jose,
particularly
in
those
communities
less
likely
to
participate.
A
Yes,
hello,
just
a
comment,
I
don't
know
if
we
mention
it
or
not,
but
when
it
comes
to
major
corporations
within
our
valley,
they
mostly
have
community
liaison
officers
who
more
or
less
participate
vigorously
with
grassroots
organizations
within
their
own
family
itself,
their
corporate
their
businesses.
So
I
think,
that's
another
source
that
we
should
tap
into
because
you
know,
as
you
know,
a
lot
of
our
major
corporations
here
in
the
valley.
You
talk
about
thousands
of
employees
so
with
that.
B
Thank
you
so
much.
You
know,
that's
actually
a
great
segue
to
the
next
item,
which
I
want
to
make
sure
we
get
to,
because
the
city
clerk
would
like
our
feedback
on
a
draft
outreach
plan.
So
if
there
are
no
further
questions
for
dr
daubard,
we
will
transition
to
that
and-
and
let
me
open
it
up
once
more
for
public
comment,
given
that
we
had
a
second
item
in
this
agenda
item,
if
there's
anyone
in
the
puzzle
there's
no
hands
up,
okay,
great
connie,
any
other
final
thoughts
before
we
open
ramon.
A
F
G
Back
no
I'll
just
close
by
thanking
dr
dobard,
really
appreciate
it.
I
mean
I
mean
it's.
You
know
the
organizations
like
advancement
project
that
do
the
hard
work
of
really
getting
communities
involved
and
watchdogging
the
process.
I
think,
even
for
the
best
of
intentions.
You
know
those
of
us
who
are
in
roles
as
public
service.
G
There
there's
so
much
that
we're
trying
to
track
and
hold
that
there's
times
where
we
just
miss
opportunities
or
don't
think
of
certain
things,
and
so
it's
always
really
helpful
to
hear
from
independent
perspectives
from
people
who
are
watching
the
process,
even
something
as
simple
as
hey.
Dr
dobard
had
trouble
finding
information
about
the
commission
on
the
the
website
that
you
know
that
could
that's
a
very
simple
thing
that
can
be
addressed
well
in
advance
of
the
census
information
coming,
so
I
always
learn
so
much
from
these
presentations.
G
Thank
you,
dr
dobard,
and
look
forward
to
the
the
next
training
module.
Next
month.
We
will
be
doing
a
primer
around
redistricting
law,
around
federal
redistricting
law,
state
level,
redistricting
law,
so
you
really
have
a
firm
foundation
upon
which
to
move
forward.
So
thank
you.
So
much
for
your
engagement
this
evening.
B
Thank
you
very
much
appreciate
it,
okay.
Well,
we
look
forward
to
seeing
you
both
again
so
moving
on
to
item
six
old
business.
We
have
no
old
business
agenda,
so
we'll
move
on
to
item
seven,
which
are
reports
and
information,
and
the
first
would
be
from
me.
I
have
no
report
or
information
to
share
so
I'll
hand
it
over
to
our
city
clerk
hi.
D
B
D
Yeah
I'm
looking
to
see
this
is
a
different
view,
not
my
there.
It
is
it's
not
my
regular
adobe,
it's
like
the
adobe
reader.
Thank
you.
Let's
see
if
there,
because
I
can
always
scroll
so
today
is
just
the
over
overview
of
the
redistricting
commission's
schedule
and
outreach
plan,
and
I
would
also
like
you
to
if
you
don't
have
anything
to
tell
me
today,
to
spend
the
next
month
thinking
about
this,
this
outreach
plan
and
give
me
feedback
on
what
you
think
we
should
add
and
what
it
should
look
like.
D
D
D
The
statewide
community
redistricting
survey
and
the
questions
are
very
very
similar
to
what
we're
looking
at
the
plan
was
to
translate
those
surveys
into
are
all
of
our
languages:
english,
spanish,
vietnamese,
tagalog
chinese,
post,
those
on
our
website
and
send
the
links
to
our
website
to
all
of
the
council
members
to
include
in
their
newsletters
in
june.
So
we
can
gather
these
surveys
in
late
june
and
july.
B
D
B
Something
like
that,
and
and
for
those
who
don't
know
the
silicon
valley,
council
nonprofits,
they
are
the
umbrella
organization
for
the
non-profits.
In
our
valley.
They
have
hundreds
of
members,
they
reach
thousands
of
thousands
of
individuals
and
they
actually
approached
us.
They
want
to
be
an
outreach
partner
for
us
as
well
and
all
the
organizations,
basically
that
dr
dobard
mentioned
earlier
are
members
of
the
council
of
nonprofits.
D
I
do
it
I'm
very
proud
of
myself
remembering
june
10th,
but
it
is
it's
a
lunchtime
meeting,
so
the
the
non-profits
can
do
this
during
their
lunch
time
come
and
hear
about
it.
We
can
give
them
links
to
the
survey
that
they
can
then
distribute
as
well.
We're
we're
planning
on
just
we're
starting.
I've
already
started
the
translation
of
key
documents
to
put
onto
the
redistricting
website.
D
D
It's
super
cool,
it's
very
easy,
easy
to
use,
and
so
we're
going
to
show
you
guys
do
a
demo
of
the
software
and
how
you
can
use
it,
how
the
public
will
use
it,
because
the
public
will
also
use
it
and
then
we'll
have
further
discussion
with
we'll
have
the
dates
of
all
of
our
communities
of
interest
public
hearings.
I
have
a
meeting
with
prns
tomorrow.
I
I'd
have
better
dates
for
you.
I'm
meeting
with
prns
tomorrow
to
make
sure
we
can
actually
go
out
and
have
in-person
meetings
in
the
districts
and.
D
They
manage
the
community
centers,
so
I'm
meeting
with
them
tomorrow
to
discuss
that
so
we'll
have
something
you
know,
hopefully,
by
the
june
meeting
I'll,
have
the
dates
set
out
for
the
august
and
september
communities
of
interest.
We've
we're
in
one
way.
I
feel
like
we're,
rushing
in
another
way.
I
feel
like
we're,
taking
it
really
really
slow.
D
I
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
this
plan
in
place,
and
I
wanted
you
guys
to
know
that
we're
working
on
the
plan
and
we'll
have
as
much
of
it
as
I
can
done
for
june,
for
you
to
to
review,
but
we'll
also
go
over
it
in
july
and
we'll
talk
about
those
public
hearings,
because
the
public
hearings
we're
asking
that
you
are
present
for
your
district's
public
hearing,
so
you
can
help
lead
it
and
redistricting
partners
will
be
present
as
well.
This
is
something
that
they
do.
D
They
talked
about.
You
know
they'll
have
paper
maps
of
each
district
that
people
can
draw
like
their
communities
of
interest
to
say,
like
we
want
this
neighborhood
kept
together,
like
cynthia
was
talking
about
the
little
saigon
neighborhood,
how
the
state
wanted
to
keep
that
together.
So
that's
one
community
of
interest
and,
of
course,
you've
been
hearing
about
those
all
night
tonight.
So
that's
what
these
hearings
will
be
for,
so
people
can,
let
us
know,
and
the
redistricting
partners
will
take
all
of
that
data
and
help
us
create
district
lines
and
then
october.
B
D
If
I
don't
get
approved
for
the
full
amount,
you
know
we'll
be
more
strategic,
making
sure
that
we
have
them
in
the
neighborhoods
that
need
them
and
let
people
know
if
you
need
asl.
You
know
you
ask
me
and
we'll
make
sure
they're
there.
So
american
sign
language,
yes,
american,
sign
language,
sorry,
I'm
so
used
to
acronyms.
D
B
So
let
me
just
say
that
this
is
not
any
final
plan.
This
also,
I
think
tony
really
needs
to
be
looked
at
again,
considering
amazing
information
we
heard
tonight
and
there's
a
lot
more,
that
we
should
consider
and
definitely
try.
You
know
brought
this
to
the
commission
so
that
we
could
hear
feedback
and
ideas,
and
I
you
know
we
heard
a
lot
of
them
about
churches
and
ethnic
media
and
schools
and
and
others.
So,
let's,
let's
hear
it
city
attorney
bonnie
did
you
want
to
speak
now
before
I
go
to
our
commissioner?
Yes,.
F
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
too,
following
on
that
this
will
need
to
be
revisited.
So
just
from
a
legal
standpoint,
the
the
charter
was
amended
last
election
to
allow
the
council
to
establish
its
own
date
in
the
event
that
census
data
is
laid.
So
the
way
it's
supposed
to
go
is
all
this
was
supposed
to
be
done
in
october,
and
that
assumes
that
all
the
data
would
be
received
timely
in
april.
Well,
that
didn't
happen,
so
the
council
can
establish
its
own
deadline.
A
D
F
Yeah
and
so
that
the
december
15th
deadline
is,
is,
what's
under
the
fair
maps
act
and
we're
going
to
be
exploring
that
a
little
bit
further,
but
just
so
that
the
commission
knows
that
the
city
council,
under
our
charter
is
the
one
that
passes
the
maps
and
under
the
fair
maps
act.
They
have
to
hold
the
number
of
public
meetings
themselves
before
they
can
adopt
the
map.
I
believe
it's
three,
and
so
we
just
all
have
to
keep
that.
Keep
that
in
mind
as
well.
J
It's
called
district
district
district.
You
can
actually
go
and
there's
a
free
site
that
you
can
go
to
to
look
at
how
it
interacts
like
tony
was
talking
about,
but
we'll
also
have
one
that's
specifically
for
for
you
to
use
and
for
the
public
to
use
with
their
map
submissions
pretty
much
live
on
the
website,
so
you
can
also
view
public
community
of
interest
maps
and
when
we
get
to
them,
when
we
get
the
census
data
sometime
in
october,
you
can
see.
The
draft
lines
too.
D
H
E
D
D
E
J
No
it'd
be
great,
but
I
think
one
thing
we
will
be
providing
is
a
snapshot
of
the
current
district
lines
and
how
the
deviations
look
under
the
the
american
community
survey's
estimated
population
data.
So
that's
one,
you
know
data
point,
it's
an
estimate,
so
you
can't
use
the
acs
to
draw
lines.
Of
course
we
have
to
wait
for
the
census
to
come
out,
but
that
is
something
that
can
help
guide
the
commission
and
the
public
to
understand
kind
of
where
populations
have
shifted
over
the
years.
J
The
one
huge
asterisk,
of
course,
is
we
don't
know
how
aligned
the
estimated
population
is
going
to
be
to
the
actual
2020
count.
So
we'll
provide
you
the
information.
Of
course
we
can
just.
We
can
talk
about
it,
but
we
don't.
We
won't
really
know
until
the
census
is
out
what
the
real
populations
are
throughout
the
city.
E
E
B
B
Okay,
so
I
think
you
know,
based
on
what
we
heard
and
based
on
the
budget
request
that
tony
has
submitted,
our
plan
will
be
changing.
We
also
will
be
bringing
to
you
that
survey
that
other
communities
are
using.
That
tony
is
working
on
getting
translated,
that
that
would
be
sent
out
in
june
and
july
through
council
members,
but
also
to
neighborhood
associations
and
through
social
media
and
probably
through
our
partners
in
the
nonprofit
sector,
so
a
lot
to
come.
B
B
A
B
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
comments
from
our
consultant,
nope.
Okay.
Then
we
will
move
on
to
item.
Is
it
eight
on
the
agenda?
It
is
open
forum.
This
is
the
time
for
public
comment
on
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
The
brown
act
prohibits
the
commission
from
discussing
any
item
that
is
not
agendized,
but
we
certainly
welcome
public
feedback
so.
A
Hi
blair
beekman
here
I
had
other
things
to
do
tonight,
so
I
couldn't
attend
the
meeting.
I
will
review
the
meeting
here.
Thank
you
for
having
it
you're
having
redistricting
questions.
I
guess
I
I
I
don't
know
what
I
guess
you
know
I.
I
come
from
a
place
of
open
public
policy
ideas
for
the
future
of
technology
and
it's
ideas
of
peace.
A
Actually,
it's
it's
the
ideas
of
how
to
use
the
ideas
of
democracy
and
openness
and
accountability
and
create
ideas
of
peace
in
a
local
community
and
and
to
end
basically
we're
in
the
era
of
war
with
911
and
it's
how
to
allevia
of
warfare
and
enclosed,
secretive
democratic
practices.
Basically,
and
it's
really
interesting
stuff,
it's
ideas
about
sustainability
and
community,
and
I
can
very
easily
address
these
coveted
issues
and
ask
that
and
describe
this.
The
social
planning
ideas
around
kovid
are
kind
of
a
disgrace.