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City of San José, California
Joint meeting of Rules and Open Government / Committee of the Whole, September 14, 2022
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C
Blair
Beekman
here
you've
moved
digital
privacy
issues
with
camera
use
back
to
the
20th
that
will
be
along
with
the
Monterey
Corridor
Transit
report.
That's
kind
of
smart
to
do.
It
works
better
in
tandem,
I
think
for
on
this
day,
just
an
overall
reminder
that,
in
the
importance
of
how
much
we
want
Community
safety
with
with
more
and
more
surveillance,
cameras
and
aopr
use
and
and
the
stoplight
cameras
and
the
like.
C
That's
a
pretty
important
ask
of
a
pretty
large
segment
of
our
community
at
this
time.
Please,
please
keep
in
mind
that
all
of
that
technology,
you're
asking
for
is
just
offering
a
ton
of
data
and
that
data
is
going
to
places
I,
don't
think
you
guys
will
want
and
not
very
comfortable
with
we're,
really
developing
a
a
new
wave
of
practices
that
can
address
what
are
the
open
public
policies
and
what
are
the
Civil
Rights
and
civil
protections
you
have
as
an
everyday
person
to
that
data.
C
That's
going
all
over
the
country,
I
mean
they're.
Taking
that
law
enforcement
data
and
bundling
it
in
packages
for
commercial
use
and
to
sell
commercially
and
to
be
used
for
you
know,
purposes
of
ice,
so
we
have
to
be
very,
very
cautious
about
what
exactly
we're
doing
with
the
future
of
our
surveillance
and
data
collection
and
it's
it's
open
public
policy
practices
and
it's
accountability
that
has
to
really
be
a
part
of
all
this
technology.
That's
that's
wanted
for
the
future
of
community
safety.
C
F
Go
ahead,
just
a
question
leave
I'm
on
the
Horizon
report.
There
was
an
item
on
electrification
that
was
supposed
to
be
a
contract
for
electrification.
Is
that
being
delayed
to
a
future
meeting
beyond
the
27?
Oh
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
asking
about
the
wrong
meeting
I'm
waiting
I'll
ask
this
question
for
the
27th.
B
B
All
right:
let's
go
to
public
comments.
C
I'll,
try
not
to
be
so
strong
for
this
I
for
2.7
is
the
continuation
of
teleconferencing
and
during
the
state
of
emergency,
and
you
know
the
way
this
teleconferencing
has
arrived,
has
not
been
very
good,
very
cool,
but
it
is
actually,
it
has
been
a
pretty
interesting
tool
that
I
think
makes
accessibility
for
the
public
meeting
process
a
lot
easier,
and
so
it's
been
of
a
lot
of
help
in
that
way,
and
at
this
time,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
importance
that,
for
people
to
feel
to
want
to
feel
safe
and
comfortable
to
want
to
speak
at
this
time,
perhaps
either
in
person
or
at
the
public
meeting
process
on
Zoom.
C
You
know
to
make
that
process
for
them,
safe,
as
it
can
be
good
luck
how
to
do
that.
If,
if
people
have
questions
about
the
technology
of
the
zoom
or
and
the
data
collection,
where
it
will
be
going,
what
exactly?
How
exactly
is
the
technology
used?
C
Good
luck
on
how
to
be
open
and
honest
in
answering
those
questions,
I
to
again
note
that,
with
the
abortion
issues
of
this
past
summer,
we're
really
questioning
the
concepts
of
data
collection
again
and
the
commercial
use
of
data
and
law
enforcement
data
we're
at
that
time
to
have
those
open
conversations
again.
Good
luck!
How
we
work
in
San
Jose
at
this
time
to
make
it
open
conversations.
San
Jose,
is
doing
some
interesting
work
with
community
and
data
collection
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
C
A
Yes,
hi
Martha
O'connell
gsmol,
following
on
with
Blair's
comments.
The
zoom
meetings
are
great:
they
accommodate
the
disabled,
the
night
blind
who
cannot
drive
at
night
and
the
otherwise
disabled.
I've
also
heard
people
say
that
they're
at
work
at
night,
and
they
set
aside
15
or
20
minutes
to
call
in
on
a
specific
item
so
that
they
can
participate
so
I
urge
you
to
continue
the
hybrid
meetings.
Thank
you
back
to
the
counts.
The
committee.
F
D
Yeah
there
is
a
2.10,
a
authorization
for
the
city
manager
to
negotiate
and
execute
energy
agreements.
D
If
it
was
on
the
horizon
report
around
building
electrification,
there
was
a
deferral
to
the
first
or
the
second
meeting
of
October.
So
it
could
have
been
that
item.
Okay,.
G
B
All
right,
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
lead
I'm,
not
going
to
ask
you
a
little
balancing
question
on
this
specific
agenda,
but
just
in
general,
you
know
we're
we're
in
September
we're
going
to
be
in
October
before
you
know
it
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
balanced
schedule
for
the
end
of
the
year,
because
I
don't
know
if
Raul
and
I
can
can
put
up
with
a
midnight
meeting
on
in
December.
B
D
D
From
the
administration's
perspective,
we're
very
much
looking
for
the
opportunity
to
work
with
you
and
Raul
much
longer
into
the
nights,
but
we
do
understand
and
are
trying
to
balance
from
now
until
the
end
of
the
year.
Yes,
vice
mayor,
thank
you,
I
appreciate
it.
G
B
Okay,
so
we
are
on
to
the
consent,
calendar
and
we're
gonna
go
to
public
comments.
A
C
Hi
Laura
Beekman
here,
council
person,
Jimenez,
is
travels
to
he
has
three
travel
requests
that
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on.
One
of
them
he's
going
to
assist
the
city's
International
U.S
Mexico,
mayor's
Community
Summit
in
San,
Diego
and
Tijuana
on
October,
11th
and
12th
or
11th
through
the
13th.
Sorry
and
I
just
find
that
amazingly
interesting,
good
luck
in
what
he
and
what
he
can
discover
on
such
a
trip.
C
There
is
some
really
harsh
drug
gang
issues
going
on
in
Tijuana
at
this
time
and
for
some
sort
of
report
back
an
understanding
from
from
the
council
person
can
be
of
much
help.
That
I
think
we
want
to.
We
can't
address
and
really
ask
people
in
that
area
to
question
what
their
actions
are
about
and
limit
their
their
actions
that
are
just
harassing
the
rest
of
us.
C
They
have
been
they've
been
attacking
journalists
on
top
of
everything
else,
and
it's
just
made
clear
to
me
the
importance
of
the
journalist
profession
and
how
we
need
to
respect
that,
what
sort
of
job
a
journalist
can
play
and
that
should
be
respected
instead
of
annihilated.
So
good
luck
to
Sergio
mendez's
work
in
this
area
and
it'll
be
nice
to
hear
what
he
has
to
say
on
his
trip
to
the
place
to
Tijuana
at
that
time.
Thank
you
back.
B
Okay,
that
works,
Tony
arenas.
B
A
B
D
C
Hi,
just
a
quick
reminder
and
all
this
important
work
you're
doing
for
this
item
the
importance
of
a
future
Community
energy.
That
I
hope
can
better
address
these
sort
of
questions
that
you're
currently
going
through
with
PG
e
at
this
time.
Good
luck
in
that
transition
that
I
hope
we
all
want
to
make
towards
Community
energy
in
our
future
and
that
it
can
be
a
full
community
effort
and
not
just
for
a
select
Elite
few.
Thank
you
back.
B
To
the
committee,
thank
you
I
see,
mayor
licardo
is
in
attendance
mayor.
This
is
Simon,
has
been
green,
lit
so
I,
don't
know
if
you
wanna
speak
to
it
or
not,
and
well.
H
Vice
mayor,
if
you're
suggesting
I
shouldn't
steal
defeat
from
the
jaws
of
Victory
I'm
happy
to
keep
my
mouth
shut,.
H
E
Thank
you
see
if
I
can
get
the
mayor
to
talk
so
I'm,
just
curious
on
the
yellow
lit
portion
of
this
reading
in
the
staff
early
consideration
form,
it
looks
like
it's
just
recommendation,
one
that
has
a
sort
of
summary
conclusion
of
being
yellow,
yet
yellow
lit.
E
So
if
maybe
staff
can
just
describe
sort
of
what
the
way
I
was
initially
reading,
it
was
look
like
this
is
kind
of
greenlit.
Overall,
some
of
you
can
just
describe
the
the
varying
variation
there.
I
Thank
you
for
the
question
council
member
Kip,
Harkness
Deputy
city
manager.
What
we're
trying
to
indicate
in
that
was
that
it
we
believe
we
can
handle
a
kind
of
light
touch
review
with
PG
e
and
get
if
they
get
that
plan
together.
We
can
do
an
initial
review
of
that
and
if
they
are
in
charge
of
implementing
it,
coordinate
with
them
on
that.
I
If
it
goes
to
a
deeper
level
of
analysis
where
we
really
need
to
dig
into
that
report
or
we
need
to
project
manage
it,
we
don't
have
the
capacity
on
staff
as
as
is
structured
right
now
to
do
that
so
green.
Let
it
with
the
light
touch
Cooperative
version,
yellow
lid.
If
we
have
to
come
back
and
do
a
little
more
heavy
project,
management
or
analysis.
H
H
We've
really
had
a
chance
to
talk
about
adapt,
and
so
let
me
just
say
what
I
know
from
what
Patricia
Poppy
the
CEO
of
PG
e
offered
to
us
was
that
you
know
we
would
meet
right
away
to
get
some
immediate
feedback
and
then
they
would
take
based
on
that,
a
a
second
meeting
where
they
could
offer
a
draft
of
their
plan
for
Capital
placement
repair
here
in
San
Jose
to
our
team,
and
that
might
be
something
that
might
require
a
bit
more
scrutiny.
H
Obviously
more
detailed
and
I
guess
the
question
I
would
just
ask
to
the
chair
is:
is
whether
staff
believes
you
know
you
can
either
get
a
consultant
on
board
to
help
or
we
have
this,
the
staff
ability
to
be
able
to
look
at
their
preliminary
plan
and
say:
okay.
This
is
something
we
think
will
do
the
job
or
it
won't.
I
Yes,
Mr
Mayor,
Mr,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
I
believe
that
we
have
the
capability
either
in-house
or
that
we
can
tap
into
existing
contracts
to
do
that.
Initial
assessment:
it's
if
it
requires
kind
of
a
ongoing,
further
deeper
work
with
where
we
lack
the
resources,
so
I
think
we
have
what
we
need
to
to
comply
with
that
direction
and
that
intent
great.
F
Yeah,
just
one
question
on
this:
just
in
terms
of
the
scope,
I
I
mean
I,
agree
with
that
analysis
of
the
infrastructure
and
infrastructure
needs.
It
would
would
that
be.
Would
that
include
or
could
we
include
in
that
making
sure
we
have
information
about
what
PG
E's
plans
are
for
the
undergrounding
of
think
of
lines
in
the
city
that
are
not
yet
undergrounded
and
gotta
make
sure
we
have
an
understanding
of
what
their
thoughts
are
about
timelines
for
that
throughout
throughout
the
city.
I
Parkness
again,
I
there's
a
couple
different
underground,
adding
pieces
that
are
going
on.
There
are
the
undergrounding
of
the
transmission
lines
that
they're
working
on,
which
is
largely
Rural
and
largely
outside
of
our
area,
and
then
they're
ongoing
undergrounding,
which
had
been
funded
by
a
couple
of
different
sources
of
funding,
which
is
certain
essentially
dried
up
within
the
city.
I
I
certainly
can
report
back
on
where
they
are.
I
They
aren't
in
terms
of
funding
undergrounding,
but
it's
a
little
bit
to
the
side
of
this
work,
but
we
we
do
have
a
sense
of
where
they
are
and
they
aren't
on
undergrounding
and
could
report
back
with
that
as
well.
Yeah.
F
I
guess
I
was
just
thinking
that,
as
part
of
this
infrastructure
inventory
that
knowing
what
what
Still
Remains
in
turn
in
our
intern
internal
to
the
city-
that's
not
undergrounded
is
critical
in
this
in
this,
because
a
lot
of
that's
older
equipment
that
is
more
likely
to
fail.
That
is,
causes
more
fire
danger.
Etc,
and
maybe
this
isn't
a
question
of.
I
Yeah,
we
can
certainly
bring
that
up
with
PG
e,
where
that
we,
and
they
should
be
very
aware
of
where
that
is
and
again
it
would
be
to
them
to
assess
what
the
sort
of
level
of
safety
issues
that
above
ground
utilities
cause
in
the
urban
environment.
But
we
can.
We
can
add
that
question
into
to
them
as
we
bring
the
planning
forward
and
see
what
they're
able
to
bring
back
that.
F
B
C
B
D
Actually,
chair
I
was
going
to
say
the
same
that
this
is
recommended
recommended
by
the
administration
as
a
yellow
light,
but
our
budget
director,
Jim
Shannon
and
assistant
chief
of
police
Paul
Joseph,
are
here
for
any
questions
that
the
committee
has.
B
Thank
you,
Lee
we're
gonna
go
to
public
comments.
First,
sir,.
C
Claire
Beekman
here,
thank
you
very
much
vice
mayor
Jones
that
you
asked
for
City
staff
report
first
and
then
public
comment.
Thank
you
for
myself.
You
know:
we've
just
made
a
big
important
to
do
that.
We
have
to
have
more
and
more
police
in
our
presence
and
that
can
address
overtime
issues
and
perhaps
even
help
with
the
recidivism
issues
at
the
county
jail
level.
C
So
you
know
things
are
dreamy
for
what
you
guys
have
really
been
wanting,
but
I
really
question.
You
know
it's
it's
use
and
right
we
have
we
when
you
start
asking
these
sort
of
questions,
I
hope
that
you
can
do
it
with
a
sense
that
it's
question
asking
and
that
we're
really
focused
towards
the
future
of
of
just
not
more
and
more
police
to
solve
all
our
issues.
I
mean
we
have
issues
of
how
we
can
invite
you
know
SEIU
union
persons
and
everyday
Community
to
take
on
more
administrative
roles
within
the
police
department.
C
That
is
not
being
talked
about
here
at
all.
Why
not
I
mean?
Why
aren't
we
talking
about
the
ideas
of
reimagine?
Now
this
is
a
perfect
time
to
do
that,
and-
and
these
sort
of
questions
have
to
be
framed
around
those
sort
of
things,
I'm,
I'm,
really
kind
of
upset
like
with
the
IPA
report
yesterday.
That
obviously
has
been
proving
we
are
completely
no-towing
to
the
police
at
this
time
and
the
concepts
that
we
have
to
worry
about
crime.
That
still
means
that
we
can't
ask
the
larger
questions
of
our
long-term
future.
C
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilmember
Davis,.
G
Thank
you
vice
mayor,
so
my
colleagues
and
I
brought
this
brought
this
forward
and
I
I
understand
that
it
is
mostly
yellow
lit,
but
we
were
very
concerned
when
the
mandatory
overtime
note
came
out,
notice
came
out
and
knowing
that,
as
as
I
know,
you
know.
J
G
That
or
assistant
chief,
that
we
are
already
quite
understaffed,
especially
in
the
traffic
enforcement
unit
and
as
well
as
many
other
units
we
were
very
concerned
and
so
what
we're?
What
we're
really
wanting
to
do
is
to
say
I
I
would
disagree
with
the
assessment
that
this
this
is
not
time
critical
or
an
emergency.
I
know
that
we
have
items
in
the
budget,
such
as
lateral
incentive,
hiring
incentives
and
some
and
some
other
items
for
increasing
over
time.
G
But
I
also
understand
that
we,
we
have
very
small
classes
currently
for
the
Academy,
so
that's
kind
of
all,
knowing
how
critical
our
needs
are
for
Staffing
and
the
fact
that
our
incoming
classes
are
very
small,
I
think
the
one
that's
graduating
this
Friday
is
going
to
graduate
with
with
how
many
is
it
20
19
and
that's
less
than
much
less
than
half
it's?
Maybe
40
percent,
of
what
the
classes
have
prior
to
prior
to
the
pandemic
were
regularly
churning
out.
G
Right
so-
and
we
know
that
we
we've
been
having
people
dropping
out
of
academies
or
not
not
passing
through
I
think
this
current
class,
that's
graduating,
19
started
with
how
many.
G
Yeah,
so
that's
the
reason
for,
for
this
memo
and
again,
I
I
respectfully
disagree
with
the
fact
that
this
has
been
given
by
Administration
a
not
time
critical
and
I
and
I
would
very
much
like
to
know
what
we
can
do
this
year
to
ensure
that
we
are
at
the
it
sounds
to
me
like
we're,
not
even
going
to
be
replacing
all
of
the
retirements
with
the
academies
this
year.
K
As
you've
pointed
out,
council
member
we're
experiencing
smaller
than
usual
Academy
classes,
we're
also
experiencing
higher
than
usual
retirement
rates
and
and
other
separations
from
service
and
I
believe
that
the
police
department
gave
a
you
know
more
full
presentation
on
this
recently,
but
you're
right.
We
are
experiencing
a
Personnel
issue
at
this
time.
G
Right
I'll,
let
my
all
of
my
colleague
councilmember
Cohen's,
speak
to
this
a
little
bit
more
I,
just
I'm
I'm
very
concerned
and
I
and
I
would
like
to
submit
to
the
to
the
rules
committee
that
this
is
actually
a
much
more
time
critical
issue
than
than
our
Administration
has
put
in
their
early
consideration
response
form.
B
Okay,
councilmember
Cohen.
F
Yeah
I'm
going
to
just
sort
of
summarize
why
the
memo
was
written,
the
way
it
was
and
what
the
overall
objectives
were
a
little
bit
I
think
it
was
a
year
ago
or
more
than
a
year
ago,
probably
that
we
had
the
audit
from
the
city
auditor
about
the
police,
police,
budget
and
and
overtime,
and
it
had
a
lot
in
there.
But
I
asked
the
question
at
that
time.
Why
we
have
such
a
high
overtime
spend
in
our
in
our
budget,
and
it's
and
I
understand
the
reason
for
it.
F
I
mean
when
we
have
a
certain
level
of
Staffing
that
we
think
is
a
minimal
need.
You
know
we
we're
not
even
really
asking
in
this
memo
about,
ideally
how
many
police
officers
would
we
have
because
that's
a
whole
different
question,
but
there
is
a
minimum
Staffing
need
that
the
city
needs
and
the
city
is
saying
that,
even
at
our
current
staffed
level,
we
are
unable
to
fully
staff
all
of
the
patrols
we
need.
We
don't
have
enough
Patrol
ready.
F
F
That
would
prevent
us
from
having
to
have
this
high
level
of
overtime
spend
not
going
to
zero
in
overtime,
because
we
know
there's
a
some
significant
amount
that
would
need
to
be
used
for
people
who
are
held
over
because
they're
on
a
call
or
they
need
to
finish
paperwork.
Or
you
know,
emergency
drops
and
Staffing.
F
But
if
we're
relying
on
the
fact
that
we
regularly
have
to
have
pay
cars
and
other
types
of
methods
where
people
either
voluntarily
or
asked
to
do
mandatory
overtime
that
that's
not
necessarily
the
best
way
to
staff.
There's
reason
and
the
results
of
that
are
that
we
end
up
with
officers
who
burn
out
who
are
tired,
who
aren't
necessarily
on
top
of
their
game
and-
and
we
also
have
an
issue
in
our
city
with
not
meeting
our
response
times.
F
So
the
so
this
is
sort
of
the
primary
first
question
in
this
memo
is:
let's
just
figure
out
where
that
balance
should
be
not
necessarily
yet
say
how
we
get
there,
because
that's
a
whole
other
question
in
terms
of
budgeting
and
hiring
I,
fully
appreciate
that
increasing
recruitment
numbers
is
not
necessarily
in
our
control.
All
the
time
I
mean
there's,
there's
been
a
reduction
I
think
nationally
in
people
who
are
applying
for
these
kinds
of
jobs.
F
So
that's
not
it's
not
just
a
San
Jose
problem
and
I'm
glad
that
we
have
high
standards
so
that
when
people
are
in
our
program,
we
don't
necessarily
just
graduate
them
through
just
because
they're
there
and
we
need
the
numbers
we're.
Actually
you
know
the
fact
that
we're
down
to
only
19
out
of
35
making
it
through
should
be
seen
as
a
good
thing,
because
it
means
we
have
high
standards
and
and
not
everybody's
qualified,
but
that
leads
to
the
issues
that
we're
seeing
with
Staffing.
F
For
example,
we
can
do
an
analysis
of
what
is
the
typical
number
of
people
who
are
all
who
are
out
at
any
given
time
that
need
to
be
backfilled,
for
we
should
be
Staffing
at
the
level
that
takes
into
account
that
kind
of
that
kind
of
people
being
at
that
level
of
people
being
out
so
that
we
don't
have
to
rely
on
overtime
for
that,
because
at
any
given
time,
there's
going
to
be
some
number
who
are
out
I,
so
I
think
it
would
be
doing
that
analysis
and
understanding
that
is
is
sort
of
the
first
step.
F
The
second
step
is,
you
know,
coming
up
with
a
plan
for
how
we
get
from
where
we
are
today.
To
that
point,
what
kinds
of
changes
we
can
make
in
our
recruitment
in
our
lateral
higher
procedures
and
bonuses?
What
kind
of
incentives
we
need
for
people
to
come
join
this
this
Police
Department,
so
that
we
and
and
what
kind
of
changes
can
we
make
in
our
Academy?
F
So
we
can
maybe
have
a
higher
capacity
if
that's
an
issue
as
well,
so
that
we
can
get
to
that
point
and
that's
kind
of
the
second
step
of
this
analysis
and
I,
don't
and
I
agree
with
councilmember
Davis.
We
don't
necessarily
have
the
time
to
wait
for
the
analysis.
We
don't.
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
in
six
months
we're
going
to
have
a
whole
bunch
more
staff
in
our
police
department,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
to
have
that
in
front
of
us
as
a
road
map
for
where
we
need
to
go.
F
L
Thank
you
committee
mayor.
This
is
Jim
Shannon
budget
director,
yeah
I,
think
one
of
the
things
that
staff
was
reacting
to
in
the
recommendation,
language,
which
talks
about
the
addition
of
Staffing
in
2223,
and
we
kind
of
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
the
high
levels
of
overtime
that
we're
spending,
which
totally
agree
those
are
not
sustainable
over
the
longer
term.
L
We're
doing
those
sort
of
to
be
able
to
spend
that
high
level
of
overtime
above,
what's
officially
in
our
in
our
budget,
because
we're
using
the
vacancy
savings
elsewhere
in
the
department
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that.
So
we're
not
in
a
position
yet
where
we
can
sort
of
trade
in
over
over
overtime
costs
and
buy
full-time
positions.
Yet
I
think
we
want
to
get
there
and
that's
what
I
know.
L
We
had
an
MBA
a
couple
years
back
just
wanted
to
talk
about
that
once
we
got
closer
to
getting
full
up
as
we
get
the
recruit
academies
higher
and
an
additional
lateral
transfer.
So
that
was
one
of
the
key
reasons
here
to
kind
of
want
to
clarify:
there's
not
really
a
mechanism
to
add
sworn
staff
in
2223
by
trading.
In
the
overtime
time,
but
that
longer
term
analysis
is
something
that
you
know
certainly
has
to
be
sort
of
part
of
the
police
department's
future.
F
Okay
and
I
appreciate
that
I
mean
I,
think
we
we
need
to
see
that
sort
of
party,
analysis
and
I
think
that
putting
in
the
idea
that
2223
is
a
goal
is
just
something:
that's
because
it's
on
top
of
our
mind
and
because
we
do
have
this
issue
right
now,
with
burnout
with
high
overtime,
with
relying
so
much
on
on
some
of
these
either
mandatory
or
voluntary
shifts
that
we
would
hope
that
there's
a
that,
there's
a
mechanism
to
you
know
whether
it's
slowly
or
quickly
make
some
changes,
but
that'll
be
part
of
this
analysis.
F
What
can
be
done
this
year
next
year,
the
year
after
the
year
after
that
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
only
question
I'd
be
asking
Adam
councilmember
Davis
will
have
a
little
bit
different
perspective
on
that,
but
that's
kind
of
what
I
want
to
see.
You
know
it's
interesting.
We
talk.
We
are
what
we
consider
to
be
low
vacancy
right
now
and
I
think
that
that's
because
we
have
a
budgeted
number
and
we're
doing
well
at
hitting
that
budgeted
number.
F
My
question
is
whether
the
budgeted
number
is
right,
not
whether
we're
actually
have
low
vacancy,
because
if
you
have
low
vacancy-
and
you
still
are
spending
a
lot
on
overtime,
it
means
that
we're
aiming
for
a
vacancy
number
based
on
the
wrong
denominator
and
I
guess
that's
kind
of
what
I'm,
what
I'm?
Looking
for
so
I
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
move
the
memo
and
see
if
others
have
questions
about
it.
B
All
right,
it's
been
moved
in.
Second,
it
classic.
L
A
clarified
question
so
so
for
the,
because
I
think
that
again,
I
think
that
analysis
certainly
is
important.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
expectation
of
the
recommendation
is
to
try
to
add
sworn
Staffing
bodies
in
22
2023,
or
maybe
the
feasibility
of
how
that
works.
As
part
of
this
analysis
and.
F
F
D
D
You
know
minimal
Staffing
I
think
that's
definitely
a
good
exercise
for
us
to
do
within
the
budget
office,
City,
manager's
office
and
NPD
and
possibly
come
even
if
it's
a
high
level
analysis
back
to
the
public
safety
Finance
strategic
support
committee
before
the
end
of
the
year,
with
an
outline
about
that
I
do
want
to
say,
I
do
think
the
larger
conversation
about
what
the
ceiling
is
is
a
it's
a
it's
a
longer
term
conversation.
D
It's
a
good
conversation
to
have
I
would
say
with
adding
ongoing
resources
in
22-23,
though,
that
that
puts
Jim
in
a
position
where
he's
going
to
be
coming
back
to
you
recommending
Cuts
in
the
organization
outside
of
the
budget
process,
and
so
that
that
is
it's
not
just
what
we
think
we
would
add,
but
it's
recommending
Cuts
elsewhere
in
the
organization
and
that
that's
a
difficult
conversation
outside
of
the
budget
process.
So
I
want
to
make
clear
that,
under
the
current
direction,
that
that
is
the
direction
we
would
be
receiving.
F
Okay,
I'll
just
make
one
one
comment
on
that:
I
I
understand.
So
if
that
is
the
recommendation
that
comes
out
due
to
this
study,
then
we
would
probably
say:
well:
let's
not
do
that
right,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
really
look
at
that
because
and
I
know
the
issue
here.
Is
you
don't
just
as
in
other
departments
where
you
hire
somebody
and
they
immediately
start
ready
to
do
their
job?
F
If
we're
bringing
people
in
who
need
to
go
through
the
academy,
they're,
not
Street,
ready
and
therefore
it
doesn't
cut
the
overtime
immediately.
But
I
just
want
to
see
that
analysis
at
what
point
during
a
hiring
process
does
the
overtime
then
reduce
and
therefore
we're
not
necessarily
spending
more
and
making
Cuts
elsewhere?
How?
How
long
does
it
take
to
get
to
that
point
but
which
we're
not
doing
that
and
there's
also
the
as
has
been
raised,
I
think
councilmember
Davis
mentioned
it
lateral,
hires,
there's
other
ways
of
bringing.
K
Yeah
so
Paul
Joseph
assistant,
chief
of
police,
so
so
first
of
all
could
I
just
say.
Thank
you.
I
mean
thank
you
for
telling
us
that
we,
you
know,
you
agree.
We
need
some
more
officers
because
I
mean
we.
We
certainly
agree
with
you.
There
and
you're
right
I
mean
the
the
average
police
officer
per
citizen
ratio
in
this
country
is
2.4
per
thousand
and
we're
at
one
per
thousand.
So
when
you
talk
about
what's
the
number
we
need,
I
mean
we're.
K
The
the
chief
chief
Mata
put
out
a
manager's
budget
addendum
in
May
of
this
year,
which
laid
out
you
know
kind
of
a
road
map
to
get
us
back
to
the
Staffing
level
that
we
had
prior
to
the
chain.
You
know
the
the
loss
of
personnel
we
suffered
during
measure
B,
and
that
was
to
get
us
in
the
area
of
1353
and
that's
you
know,
that's
a
goal
we
would
like
to
attain
and
we
thought
was
a
reasonable
goal
based
on
you
know.
K
Obviously
there
are
other
competing
City
priorities,
we're
not
the
only
Department
in
the
city
and
our
capacity
to
recruit
train
hire
people
really.
That's.
That's
probably
the
max
that
we
could
expect
would
be
an
additional
40
positions
a
year
over
the
next
five
years.
That
being
said,
there
are
some
factors
that
are
obviously
beyond
our
control
here.
The
desirability
of
police
work
as
a
profession
across
this
country
has
certainly
changed
and
we're
far
from
the
only
Police
Department
that's
dealing
with
this
kind
of
an
issue.
K
We
have
issues
that
are
unique
to
this
Police
Department
in
terms
of
just
right
now
having
some
small
classes
and
a
lot
of
retirements.
But
I
will
say
this.
You
know
just
ensure
in
the
short
term
the
pay
cars
that
we
put
out
to
cover
some
vacancies
and
Patrol
we're
fairly
modest,
and
they
were
they
were
a
result
of
Dipping
below
what
our
current
authorized
strength
is,
in
other
words,
we're
about
50,
I,
think
below
what
our
authorized
strength
is,
which
is
11
58
and
we're
at
1108.
K
Those
are
the
numbers
that
I
have
as
recently
as
a
week
ago,
and
so
before
that
we
were
not
Fielding
any
put
any
regularly
scheduled
Patrol
pay
cars,
so
I
mean
to
get
rid
of
those
overtime.
Costs
isn't
that
much
of
a
struggle
for
us,
but
you
know
the
larger
picture.
K
Is
you
know
why
do
we
spend
so
much
overtime
as
a
department
at
all
and
I
think
that
is
what
you're
all
getting
at
in
terms
of
the
The
Chronic
level
of
Staffing,
that
that
could
stand
a
bolster
if
it's,
if
it's
possible,
yeah.
F
B
All
right,
thank
you
before
we
go
to
council
member
Morales
Lee.
Can
you
summarize
your
understanding
of
what
the
motion
is
and
what
staff
is
supposed
to
do.
D
B
Right
which
their
expectation
is
that
you're
going
to
do
or
undertaken
analysis
and
I
know
that
the
early
consideration
was
before
was
yellow,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
is
Staff
going
to
undertake
any
work
now
or
if
it's
going
to
go
to
the
prioritization
process.
D
Well,
you
know
the
rules
committee
has
the
authority
to
not
listen
to
staff's
recommendation
that
it's
a
yellow
light
and
prioritize.
So.
A
D
Now,
no,
it
would
not
go
to
prioritization.
If
the
motion
on
the
floor
were
to
Prevail,
we
would
have
to
start
working
on
it
and
I
do
think,
because
this
reopens
the
20
to
23
budget
process
that
ultimately
Council,
would
probably
need
to
make
a
decision
on
whether
we
would
do
this
work,
because
I
do
think
adding
positions
which
I
can
get
back
to
in
a
second.
D
You
know
that
wouldn't
be
Street
ready.
We
still
have
to
budget
for
those,
unfortunately,
and
so
that
that
would
cause
a
bit
of
an
issue.
D
Make
that
yeah
I
mean
I,
certainly
think
the
what
you
know
after
the
motion
was
made
I
think
where
council
member
Cohen
is
going
asking
for.
You
know
what
that
number
is,
and
you
know
where
we're
tracking
with
overtime.
I,
definitely
think
that
is
work
that
could
be
done
and
we
can
shoot
to
do
that
before
the
end
of
the
year.
D
I
would
say:
there's
I
think
two
important
factors
for
us,
as
we
do,
that
work
is
what
the
costing
is
and
we're
currently
in
negotiations
with
the
police
officers
Association
and
those
are
pretty
important
numbers
to
come
up
with
a
way
of
costing
and
also
you
know
just
to
both
of
your
points.
D
You've
you've
mentioned
it
several
times
like
what
can
be
done
in
this
year
and
I
do
think
you,
you
guys,
have
made
several
important
decisions
as
part
of
the
budget
process,
adding
the
15
officers,
which
is
great
and
obviously
the
academies
aren't
going
to
help
us
fill
those
faster
as
fast
as
we
would
like,
but
you
also
authorized
funding
for
possible
incentive
pay
for
for
laterals,
and
so
we
are
in
negotiations.
That
is,
you
know,
part
of
that
process
with
the
police
officers
Association.
D
F
Is
there
a
way
we
can
amend
the
motion
to
take
out
sort
of
the
an
implication
of
short-term
hiring
so
that
it
doesn't
become
a
real
we're
not
asking
to
reopen
the
budget
for
this
year,
but
we're
asking
for
the
rest
of
the
analysis
that
can
guide
us
in
future
conversation
I
mean
whether
it's
removing
that
phrase
that
can
be
made
starting
to
twist
either
2223
or
changing
it
to
say
you
know,
bring
back
costs
in
case
we
decided
we
wanted
to
reopen
budget
or
something
like
that.
I
think
that
was
your
intent.
D
F
B
All
right,
I'm
glad
we
worked
that
out
before
we
go
to
my
colleague,
councilmember
Paralis
Chief
I
want
to
ask
you
a
question
and
I'm
going
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
So
I
didn't
talk
to
you
about
this
beforehand,
so
I
I
know
you
can
handle
it.
B
You
know
we
talk
about
our
budgeted
positions
and
what
we're
trying
to
get
to,
but
based
on
other
comparable
cities
based
on
other
ratios
and
just
the
back
of
an
envelope,
guess
or
estimate
where,
where
should
we
be
as
a
city
in
terms
of
Staffing,
sorry
and
again,
sorry
for
putting
you
on
the
spot
and
I
and
I
won't
hold
you
to
the
number,
because
I
know
it's.
You
know
back
of
an
envelope
but
I
think
it's
good
to
get
those
kind
of
numbers
out
there
to
the
public.
K
Sure,
thank
you
vice
mayor.
Well,
I
would
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
refer
back
to
the
the
budget
addendum
from
May
and
I'll
say
that
our
our
request,
the
chief's
vision
for
the
next
five
years,
was
to
grow
by
200
authorized
positions
to
1353..
That
would
put
us.
K
You
know
in
a
position
where
we
had
been
historically
where
we
were
when
I
was
hired
in
1994,
when
our
population
was
250,
000
fewer,
the
national
average,
as
I
mentioned,
is
about
2.4
officers
per
thousand
we're
at
one
per
thousand,
so
even
1353
we
would
still.
You
know
we
would
still
say
that
there's
going
to
be
some
limitations,
but
that
would
be.
K
B
B
K
Like
your
thinking,
but
I
mean
again,
we
we
have
to
be
realistic
in
the
sense
that
you
know
again:
I
I,
obviously
I
value
the
what
the
police
department
does
for
this
community
and
I
realize
how
important
it
is,
but
I
also
understand
that
we're
not
the
only
you
know
we're
not
the
only
department
and
we're
not
the
only
service
provider
in
the
city.
Again,
we
have
a
limitation.
Even
if
we
had
a
line
of
recruits,
you
know
out
the
door,
people
that
couldn't
wait
to
be
San
Jose
police
officers.
K
We
can
only
recruit
higher
train
and
deploy
so
many,
which
is
why
we
came
up
with
a
number
that
we
thought
was
something
we
could
realistically
tell
you.
We
could
do,
which
was
an
additional
40
a
year,
so
I
mean
I,
wouldn't
be
here
to
see
2000.
Even
if
you
said
today,
hey
it's
going
to
happen,
but
sure
at
some
point
you
either
have
to
have
more
police
officers
or
provide
less
services
or
pay
more
over
time.
I
mean
those
are
the
only
three
options.
There
really
are.
B
B
Knowing
that
we
have,
you
know
the
most
efficient,
Police
Department
in
the
country,
and
you
know
hard
working
and
you
know
go
above
and
beyond
this
there's
the
reality
that
you
know
whether
we
hit
you
know
three
thousand
one
thousand
three
hundred
fifty
five
or
you
know
one
thousand
you
know
58
or
whatever.
That
number
is
that's
still
not
going
to
be
enough
to
provide
the
level
of
service
that
you
expect
from
your
department
and
what
our
residents
expect.
E
Thanks
assistant
chief
I
got
a
couple
questions
as
well.
First
off
I
was
just
curious.
What
MBA
number
were
you
referring
to.
K
D
D
K
I
can't
remember
what
I'm
looking
at
is
is
page
two
there's
a
graph
at
the
bottom:
the
rebuilding
sjpd
roadmap,
it's
sort
of
a
serpentine
looking
graph
and
if
you
look
at
the
the
on
the
far
right,
there's
a
sworn
Staffing
level
for
2026
2027
fiscal
year
of
11
or
1353.
If,
if
that's
not
on
your
copy,
that's
what
I'm
looking
at
and
that's
I
know
that
we.
L
On
this
copy
so
and
just
In
fairness,
I
think
that
MBA
was
was
to
to
get
authorization
to
add
15
ongoing
sort
of
positions
per
year.
L
E
No,
no
I
I
I
recognize
that
I
I
thought
it
might
have
been
this
particular
MBA.
Obviously,
titled
rebuilding
the
San
Jose
police
department,
but
I
actually
was
very
interested
in
what
the
assistant
chief
was
saying,
because
this
is
something
and,
as
our
vice
mayor
knows,
he
and
I,
with
both
our
Police
Department,
our
fire
department
over
the
years
to
the
Public
Safety
Committee
have
had
these
ongoing
conversations
talking
about
and
recognizing
the
challenges.
E
Thank
you
chief
for
just
pointing
out
that,
even
if
we,
you
know
got
to
to
a
number
like
2000,
it
would
be
hypothetical
for
I,
don't
know
a
decade
or
more
right,
because
the
reality
is
is
that
we
just
we
can't
build
that
quickly.
Right,
it's
going
to
take
us
time,
and
so
we
have
been
more
realistic
in
our
approach
of
you
know.
How
quickly
can
we
grow
and
and
what
does
that
look
like
and
and
I
know,
I've
been
advocating
for
that?
E
E
Anyways,
based
on
the
motion
here
right
likely
that
that
figure
will
will
present
itself,
but
I
hadn't,
seen
it
before
I
hadn't
seen
a
an
approach
or
a
presentation
from
the
chief
that
said:
hey
here's,
how
I
want
to
get
back
to
about
1400,
because
I
too
recall
as
you
do,
what
it
looked
like
in
our
department
to
have
about
you,
know
1400
officers
right
and
and
be
adequately
staffed.
Well,
I
would
I.
E
Would
I
would
I
guess
even
that
statement,
maybe
is
not,
is
not
you
know
true,
but
being
staffed
at
that
level
of
1400
and
what
that
allowed
us
to
do
as
a
department
and
being
proactive
and
Staffing
up
the
special
units,
and
we
have
not
been
able
to
return
to
that,
but
we
have
a
community
of
people
that
remember
that
still
right
and
that's
what
they're
looking
to
to
return
to
or
to
achieve
and
and
some
of
them
right
that
as
we've
we're
now
a
decade
past
the
recession
right.
E
So
as
far
as
those
people
are
concerned,
it's
it's
way
in
the
past,
and-
and
this
is
a
new
problem
and
essentially
yeah
I-
guess
it
is
right.
We
need
to
look
at
it
in
that
way,
but
but
we
have
never
even
been
able
to
return
to
to
where
we
were
there.
I
do
think,
though,
that
the
challenge
that
we've
run
into
right
now
is
unique
in
its
sense
that,
as
you
pointed
out
Chief,
we
didn't
start
off
the
Year
this
this
calendar
year,
where
we
were
at
you
know
requiring
this
overtime.
E
This
is
this
is
new.
That's
kind
of
developed
over
the
summer
and
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
can
iron
that
out
a
little
bit
and
see
if
I,
if
I
understand
it
correctly
on
a
higher
level,
we're
running
severely
thin.
We
know
that
so
we're
sort
of
you
know
keeping
Patrol
Staffing
trying
to
keep
that
adequate,
but
also
at
the
same
time,
I
know.
The
chief
has
tried
to
fulfill
spots.
E
For
instance,
teu
I've
been
asking
through
the
vision,
zero
task
force
right
that
we
staff
up
to
EU
for
years
when
we
got
down
to
as
low
as
four
officers
in
teu
it
was.
It
was
embarrassing
right
and
understandable
why
we
weren't
having
the
level
of
enforcement.
We
got
back
up
to
I,
want
to
say
16
or
so
at
it
best
of
of
actual
motor
officers
right
out
doing
proactive
enforcement.
We've
now
dropped
again
since
then
right,
our
Lieutenant
has
has
retired,
and
so
we,
you
know
I,
mean
I.
E
Think
it's
fluctuating
as
normal.
My
point
is:
is
that
we've
asked
for
a
lot
of
officers
in
you,
know
Family,
Violence
and,
and
we're
asking
for
the
special
units
to
have
been
restaffed
at
the
same
time
right
that
Patrol
is
needing
to
be
staffed
at
a
you
know,
at
an
adequate
level
minimum.
What
I've
seen
happen
throughout
this
year
is
that,
yes,
we've
lost
people,
the
academies
haven't,
you
know
been
filled
as
high
as
possible.
E
K
Well,
yes,
I
mean
we
are.
We
are
at
a
point
where
we're
experiencing
High
separations
and
as
I
mentioned
before,
we
we
did
a
more
thorough
analysis
of
this
in
our
recent
presentation
to
the
council
about
Staffing
and
recruitment
overall.
But
you
know
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
we
did
experience
a
temporary
reduction
due
to
covid
quarantines
and
covid
outages,
where
we
had
far
I
think
three
times
as
many
pay
cars
as
these.
K
Now
they
were
shorter
term
because
they
were
just
for
the
duration
of
the
person
to
recover
from
the
virus.
But
you
know
it
does
happen
from
time
to
time
and
that's
and
that's
where
we
are
right
now,
but
I
think
we're
there
right
now,
because
we
operate
at
kind
of
a
razor,
thin
margin
all
the
time
and,
as
you
point
out,
all
these
specialized
assignments
are
very
important.
K
But
ultimately,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
visible
presence
on
the
street,
if
we're
going
to
have
police
officers
that
are
able
to
get
out
of
their
cars
and
engage
the
community
like
they
constantly
ask
for
us
to
be
able
to
do.
You
know
I
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I've
heard
heard
someone
say:
I
wish
the
officer
could
just
come
by
when
there
wasn't
anything
going
on
just
to
come,
say
hi.
We
would
love
that
too.
K
We
would
love
nothing
more
than
that,
but
with
the
levels
that
we
do
have
you
know
a
growing
population
and
a
police
department
that
is
200
lower
than
it
was
when
I
started.
K
I
mean
those
are
hard
to
achieve,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
gut
all
of
our
specialized
assignments,
because
those
serve
a
critical
function
as
well
in
the
in
the
public
safety
realm
and
our
overall
ability
to
deliver
services
and
keep
this
community
safe,
so
I
mean
we're
we're
doing
our
best
to
balance
all
the
competing
needs,
both
the
things
that
the
community
asks
of
us
and
the
things
that
we
know.
K
We
need
to
provide
sort
of
internally
as
managers
of
the
department,
and
it
is
a
challenge
and
right
now
we're
facing
you
know
a
little
bit
more
of
a
challenge
than
usual
I'll
say,
but
we're
hopeful,
as
deputy
chief
Randall
pointed
out
that
you
know
our
our
application.
Numbers
are
starting
to
go
up
somewhat,
we're
hoping
that
the
academy
that
follows
the
October
Academy
will
be
bigger.
K
You
know
it's
again:
it's
I'm
I'm
hopeful
as
a
30-year
police
officer
that
the
national
dialogue
around
policing
changes
such
that
more
young
people
want
to
choose
this
as
a
career
want
to
choose
this
as
a
way
to
serve
their
Community,
not
just
here
in
San
Jose,
but
across
this
country,
I've
Loved,
this
profession,
I
feel
like
I've,
been
able
to
provide
a
valuable
service
to
the
the
residents
of
San
Jose.
K
During
my
time
here
and
and
I
think
other
you
know,
young
people
might
find
that
attractive
and
appealing
as
well-
and
you
know
until
some
of
that
changes
we're
going
to
have
fewer
people
applying
than
applied
Once
Upon
a
Time.
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I,
think
that
that
you
know
the
key
takeaway
right
and
the
key
kind
of
challenge
that
we
have
is
that
we
have
been
operating
on
this
razor
thin
margin,
for
you
know
again
for
a
decade
and
likely
even
longer
than
that
right
when
we
should
have
had
maybe
some
more
Staffing.
E
But
that
puts
us
in
this
predicament
where
we're
constantly
kind
of
having
to
make
trade-offs
right,
where
we,
as
elected
officials,
are
hearing
from
our
community
saying
well,
we'd,
like
enforcement
here,
we'd
like
officers
here,
as
you
said,
with
community
policing,
but
we
also
want
Patrol,
and
then
we
get
to
this
point
where
we're
going
well.
We
also
don't
want
to
have
mandatory
overtime
and
so-
and
we
don't
have
enough
officers
to
to
to
do
all
the
things
quite
frankly,
that
our
community
would
would
want
to
see
that
at
a
bare
minimum.
E
I
do
think
I'd
like
to
drill
down
on
and
hopefully
before
the
end
of
the
year,
while
I'm
on
the
committee,
where
we
do
figure
out
what
that
bottom
line
number
is
right.
Where
we
do
figure,
we
have
a
minimum
Staffing
for
patrol
right.
We
have
that
idea,
but
I
I,
don't
believe.
Tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
we
don't
have
a
minimum
Staffing
for
all
of
our
specialized
units.
Right
like
we,
don't
we
don't?
We
don't
have
that
correct.
K
No
not
not
in
the
same
way,
I
mean
minimum
Staffing
for
police
are
for
patrol
officers
rather
is
a
number.
We
believe
you
know
keeps
the
community
safe,
keeps
our
officers
safe,
doesn't
apply
for
the
you
know
the
detectives
or
others,
but
we
do
have
an
authorized
number
of
people
assigned
per
unit
a
position,
control
numbers
per
unit
and
and
those
are
not
all
filled
either,
but
we
do
our
best
again
to
to
make
sure
that
you
know
we.
K
We
balance
the
needs
of
Patrol
the
needs
of
being
able
to
respond
in
a
timely
manner
to
calls
for
service,
which
is
always
the
primary
thing
that
we
need
to
do
with
the
need
to
staff
detective
divisions.
You
know
our
special
ops
units
teu,
things
like
that,
and.
E
Right,
Jim
and
I
were
going
back
and
forth
on
that
a
little
bit
ago,
28.29,
but
we're
not
there
actually
we're
less
than
half
and
we
don't
have
a
minimum
Staffing
though
so
we
don't
backfill
that
right
these
specialized
units,
we
like
we
do
with
Patrol
where
we're
talking
about
today
with
overtime
and
we
have
a
minimum
Staffing.
We
recognize
that's
a
priority
and
we
we
try
to
keep
that
and
we'll
bring
overtime
for
it.
E
The
rest
of
these
units,
in
essence
just
end
up
deficient
and
in
essence
our
community,
in
my
mind,
as
well,
ends
up
with
with
deficient
service,
and
so
that's,
where
kind
of
I
would
like
to
see
a
expansion
of
our
understanding
of
what
minimum
Staffing
looks
like
to
actually
begin
to
include
some,
if
not
all,
of
the
specialized
units
at
granted.
We
can't
just
go
and
backfill.
You
know
teu
right
some
of
these,
but
you
can't
just
go
and
pick
somebody
out
of
Patrol
or
somebody
hey.
E
You
can
go
fill
that,
but
I
do
think
we
can
say
hey.
We
do
think
a
city
of
this
size
should
have
no
less
than
40
traffic
enforcement
officers.
I
believe
44
was
our
highest
right
back
in
20,
2009
or
something
but
I
think
we
could.
We
could
come
to
a
number
like
that
with
some
of
these
core
functions:
Beyond
Patrol,
because
today
we
we
have
sort
of
all
agreed
that
Patrol
is
a
core
function
and
that's
our
that's
where
we
want
to
have
a
minimum
Staffing.
E
But
we
haven't
really
done
that
with
the
rest
of
the
the
specialized
units
within
the
police
department.
And
thus
what
happens
is
like
what
happened
in
2010
in
recession.
We
start
to
just
lose
them
right.
We
went
from
again
for
about
44
traffic
enforcement
officers
down
to
its
lowest
of
four
and
I.
Think
anybody
in
the
community
would
say:
hey,
that's
that's
not
right,
but
at
the
same
time
the
chief
right
at
the
time
was
having
to
make
those
those
difficult
razor.
E
You
know
on
the
Razor
Edge
decisions
of
all
right,
we're
going
to
go
thin
everywhere,
thin
in
SEIU,
thin
and
fem,
right
and
and
and
it's
unfortunate
because
we
were
just
we
were
so
thin
across
the
board-
everywhere-
ended
up
being
deficient,
so
I,
at
least
on
that
level.
I'd
like
to
see
it's
almost
like
what
is
a
minimum
Staffing
for
our
department,
not
just
for
patrol
right,
but
for
but
but
where
we
have
a
baseline.
E
That
says
when
we
start
going
below
this
is
when
we're
going
to
start
doing
what
we're
doing
this
summer,
which
is
mandatory.
You
know
up
to
15
pay
cars
or
we're
asking
people
to
volunteer
or
we're
forcing
them
to
stay
over
right
and
and
and
because,
rather
than
keep
cycling
through
that,
maybe
we
all
know
and
and
going
into
the
future
that
number
gets
updated
every
couple
years
or
something
right
as
population
grows.
E
But
then
we
have
a
Baseline
and
we
know
that
we,
you
know,
we
really
should
not
try
to
dip
below
that
anytime.
We
get
close
to
it.
We
you
know
we
make
the
proper
Investments
or
we
make
the
difficult
decisions.
As
you
know,
Lee
was
pointing
out
that
you
know
Jim
presents
and
says
you
can
bring
in
20
more.
E
You
know
full-time,
you
know,
equivalent
positions
in
the
police
department,
but
it's
going
to
cost
you
somewhere
else
right,
but
at
least
the
council
will
have
that
understanding
and
know
where
that
is
and
I
would
imagine-
and
we
were
talking
about
this-
the
vice
mayor
and
I.
You
know.
Similarly,
the
same
thing
could
be
done
for
the
fire
department.
Right
I
mean
we.
We
also
have
struggled
with
not
having
sufficient
firefighters,
and
we
know
that
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
is
well.
E
We
need
stations
right
and
that's
a
huge
effort
of
you
know:
Finding
property
building
a
new
station
Staffing
it
up,
but
again,
I
think
that
we
are,
you
know
we
are
likely
willfully
understaffed
in
every
Department
in
the
city,
and
we
probably
don't
have
the
best
idea
of
what
a
minimum
Staffing
level
kind
of
a
baseline
you
know
should
be
to
to
keep
not
only
progress
going,
keep
the
city
safe
and
functioning,
but
what
we're
talking
about
today,
which
is
keep
our
employees,
our
Workforce
from
being
burned
out
right
and
being
forced
to
do
more
with
less
you
know,
and
so,
and
we
and
again
we.
E
This
is
a
this-
is
a
decade-long
circumstance
that
this
city
and
every
single
Department
in
this
city
is
experiencing.
So
it's
you
know
we
could
be
talking
about
other
departments
right
now
as
well,
but
I
think
that
we
we
see
some
some
core
needs,
definitely
within
our
Police,
Department
and
and
so
I.
E
Look
forward
to
that
conversation
coming
back
again,
hopefully,
before
the
end
of
the
year,
we
can
start
to
talk
about
some
of
these,
these
minimum
numbers
and
then
make
some
difficult
decisions
that
were
the
Council
next
year
right
on
on
what
to
do
with
the
budget,
to
try
and
and
address
that
thanks.
L
Councilman
I
just
say
that
the
graphic
that
the
assistant
chief
was
referencing
in
the
NBA
Hit
The
Cutting
Room
floor,
so
that
wasn't
part
of
the
published
document.
So
that's
why
you
didn't
see
the
number
there
so.
D
A
A
J
J
Hi
good
afternoon,
I'm
Gail
osmer
I
want
to
first
start
off
telling
you
all
what
a
wonderful
job
respectful
job
that
beautifies
San
Jose
is
doing
with
the
cleanup,
mostly
cleanup
at
Columbus,
Park
they've
done
a
wonderful
job.
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
all
know
one
of
the
great
main
reasons.
J
I
think
things
have
been
going
so
well
is
because
myself
and
another
unhoused
person
have
moved
most
of
the
RVs
as
I'm
sure
you're
well
aware
of
over
to
the
baseball
fields
and
because
the
home
first
and
City
didn't
do
their
job
of
helping
a
lot
of
the
folks.
I
say:
Sydney
I
mean
housing,
I'm,
sorry,
but
so
the
people
are
at
the
baseball
fields
and
I'm
here
to
ask
you
I
know
how
you
feel
council,
member
Davis,
I
know
you
want
everybody
out
of
there,
but
I
think
it's
very
important.
J
Logically,
if
you
think
about
this,
to
keep
everybody
in
the
same
place
and
not
the
50
or
55
people
that
are
there
dispersing
on
your
neighborhoods.
Please
do
not
Abate
them.
We
need
to
find
another
RV
park,
the
one
out
and
D2
and
d10
isn't
going
to
be
ready
for
any
of
this,
but
we
can
Abate
them
because
you
don't
want
them
in
your
neighborhood
I,
don't
know!
Maybe
you
do,
but
you
know
having
a
dog
park
and
cleaning
all
this
up.
Okay,
fine!
J
But
let's
keep
all
these
RV
people
together,
I've
been
trying
to
keep
it
clean,
they
are
keeping
it
clean,
they're
bagging
their
trash
or
putting
it
together
outside
they
cleaned
up
on
Saturday.
So
you
know
it's
just
logical
think,
logically
about
this,
because
they
should
be
kept
together.
Thank
you.
So
much.
C
All
right,
thank
you.
Blair
Beekman
thanks
a
lot
for
the
meeting
today,
thanks
a
lot
for
the
words.
Okay,
we
just
spoke
I,
guess
you
know
it's!
It's
become
a
regular
point
of
myself.
Each
public
comment
time
now
that
I
really
really
really
think
we
can
practice
and
ask
for
ideas
at
peace
for
the
future
of
the
Ukraine
area
now
and
that
we
have
to
be
accepting
of
what
can
be
a
two-state
East-West
solution
to
the
Ukraine.
C
Now
these
are
ideas
that
have
been
in
place
for
years
now
as
to
why
I'm
sort
of
sort
of
upset
with
Russia,
they
could
have
continued
this
peace
negotiation
process
fairly,
easily,
I
feel
and
instead
of
going
to
war.
Nonetheless,
I
hope
we
can
return
to
this
sort
of
process
and
each
side
can
be
have
a
port
in
the
Black
Sea
area
and
that
each
side
can
talk
about
racial
equity
and
Health
and
Human
Services
ideas
from
this
country
that
I
think
can
really
help
heal
the
future
of
this
area.
C
I
hope
we
can
really
really
really
start
those
practices
now
and
that
peace
negotiation
process.
Now,
good
luck
in
those
efforts
and
just
a
thank
you
that
in
the
past
few
days,
we've
had
a
pretty
intense
session
about
the
future
of
policing
in
San,
Jose
I
really
hope
our
activists
Community
can
weigh
in
on
this
subject
matter
and
and
make
it
an
open
conversation
for
everyday
Community
to
understand.
What's
at
stake
and
and
their
part
to
guide
this
process
towards
a
a
more
open,
shared
Equitable,
Future,
Good
Luck
how
they
can
do
that.
C
I
was
not
happy
with
with
new
automated
audio
designs
for
the
future
of
you
know
the
body
camera
program
for
police.
Please
don't
go
in
that
direction.
Please
talk
to
community
work
with
community
on
those
sort
of
ideas
and
good
luck
in
our
in
our
efforts
for
this
issue.
Thank
you
back
to
the
committee.
B
Thank
you.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.