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From YouTube: OCT 27, 2021 | Airport Connector: RFP Industry Day
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Airport Connector: October 27, 2021 Request for Proposals Industry Day
Recording of a meeting on October 27, 2021 to present an overview of the Request for Proposals (RFP), planned to be released in 2022, that will solicit proposals from firms and collaborators interested in partnering with the City of San José on a pre-development agreement. The ultimate project, a transit connection between Mineta San Jose International Airport and Diridon Station, is planned to be a first step toward a new model of building and operating transit in San José.
Website; https://www.sanjoseca.gov/your-government/departments-offices/transportation/transit/airport-diridon-stevens-creek-connector
A
A
A
And
there
we
go
so
today
we
do
a
little
introductions
from
some
of
our
leadership.
Then
we're
gonna
go
over
the
project,
the
procurement
process
and
our
approach
to
it,
get
into
your
questions
and
our
answers
and
then
talk
about
next
steps.
Just
a
quick
note.
Everything
we're
talking
about
today
is
preliminary.
A
We
are
still
in
the
process
of
developing
the
rfp,
so
I
understand
that
any
of
this
may
change
as
we
get
to
the
final
rfp,
and
we
would
love
your
input
on
it
so
that
we
could
shape
this
procurement
and
project
the
best.
We
can
I'm
going
to
introduce
a
few
of
our
leaders
who
are
going
to
be
saying
a
little
bit
about
this
project,
I'm
going
to
start
off
with
mayor
sam
ricardo
mayor.
Would
you
like
to
say
a
few
words.
B
Thank
you,
ramses
appreciate
it.
I
know
that
it's
been
said
more
than
once
that
politicians
should
really
be
seen
and
not
heard.
Unfortunately,
for
all
of
you,
I
will
not
be
seen,
but
I
will
be
heard.
So
let
me
just
tell
you
my
first
involvement
in
airport
connector
started
about
21
years
ago.
In
my
prior
life,
I
was
an
attorney.
B
I
quit
my
job,
so
I
could
jump
on
a
measure,
a
campaign
in
the
year
2000
with
which
had
a
vision
for
building
bringing
bart
to
san
jose,
which
of
course,
we've
partially
accomplished
so
far,
we've
still
got
a
little
more
to
go
as
well
as
this
airport
connector
and
several
other
projects.
This
was
a
strongly
supported
part
of
the
measure
by
voters.
B
We've
got
a
lot
of
other
projects
that
measure
a
funded
and
now,
21
years
later
as
mayor,
I'm
grateful
to
have
the
opportunity
to
see
how
we
can
get
this
rolling
now
and
really
grateful
to
ramses
and
the
entire
department
of
transportation
team
for
putting
us
in
position
to
do
that.
Let
me
just
describe
the
opportunity
very
very
bluntly,
prior
to
the
pandemic,
for
a
period
of
roughly
two
to
three
years,
we
had
the
fastest
growing
airport
of
any
major
city
in
the
united
states.
B
At
the
other
end
of
this
line
at
deerdown
station,
we
have
the
largest
private
sector,
investment
in
google
in
san
jose's
history
and
probably
the
largest
private
sector,
investment
anywhere
in
the
state
of
california,
more
than
6
million
square
feet,
as
well
as
4
000,
new
homes
and
retail,
and
a
host
of
other
amenities.
Along
with
that,
we
have
under
construction
the
doubling
the
the
adobe
world
headquarters
in
the
deardon
area
in
downtown
and
a
host
of
other
developments,
jay
paul,
for
example,
working
on
building
another
5
million
square
feet.
B
Enormous
amount
of
investment
is
happening
in
downtown,
so
this
project
aspires
to
accomplish
a
very
simple
task,
which
is
connecting
those
two
extraordinary
economic
drivers,
our
airport
and
our
downtown,
and
we
think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
show
off
the
best
technology,
the
best
transit
that
the
world
has
to
offer.
After
all,
this
is
the
heart
of
silicon
valley
linking
two
critical
destinations
in
our
region.
B
So
we
really
appreciate
your
interest
and
your
willingness
to
be
a
part
of
this.
We
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
pretty
epic
journey
and
we
think
one
that
generations
will
benefit
from.
So
thank
you
for
your
willingness
to
roll
up
your
sleeves
with
us.
Look
forward
to
accomplishing
great
things
with
you.
Thanks
ramses.
A
B
B
A
A
In
a
gap
analysis
that
we
had
done
in
2017.
we're
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
successful
team
working
through
the
technical
aspects,
but
also
improving
the
airport.
This
project
will
also
correlate
with
our
larger
capital
improvement
program,
which
is
almost
on
the
same
timeline
and
so
we'll
be
working
very
closely
with.
B
Hi
thanks
ramses
appreciate
you
inviting
me
to
this
session,
I'm
deborah
de
gang
with
vta,
I'm
the
chief
planning
and
programming
officer,
and
I'm
also
our
cta
county
transportation,
association
director
and
in
those
roles,
and
our
role
with
this
is
that
we're
really
excited
to
be
working
with
the
city
on
looking
at
innovative
ways
to
make
this
very
important
connection.
As
mayor
licardo
pointed
out,
both
the
airport
and
the
deardon
station
area
are
very
important
destinations
from
mobility
perspective,
both
today
and
maybe,
more
importantly,
even
more
so
in
the
future.
B
A
A
Our
public
works
department,
our
parks
department,
among
many
others,
have
been
sitting
at
the
table
with
us
crafting
the
city's
approach
to
all
of
this,
and
I'll
also
note
that,
as
of
last
week,
the
new
regional
transportation
plan
plan
bay
area
2050
was
adopted,
and
this
project
was
reaffirmed
as
a
major
project
for
the
region,
with
a
a
price
tag
of
around
500
million
put
into
that
into
that
plan
right.
So,
let's
get
into
it.
What
are
we
talking
about?
A
This
is
our
primary
project
segment
and
we
are
looking
for.
We
are
now
looking
for
yeah
folks
to
bid
on
this
segment
now
we're
also
very
interested
to
see
what
other
value
adds
can
happen
in
this
setup.
So
one,
of
course,
is
the
inner
airport
facilities
possibility
that
can
come
along
with
this.
We
do
have
to
understand
that
these
are,
of
course,
under
very
different
financial
situations.
A
We
fully
intend
for
this
to
be
the
first
leg
of
a
larger
system,
and
so
future
expansion
is
very
important
to
us,
both
in
terms
of
the
type
of
technologies
we're
bringing
to
the
table.
You
all
will
be
bringing
to
the
table
making
sure
it's
scalable
beyond
the
specifics
of
an
airport,
connector
project,
and
even
within
this
project
we
could
see
some
interesting
expandability
just
in
the
in
the
routing
meaning.
There
are
some
interesting
places
between
deer
dawn
and
the
terminal
b.
A
A
So
what
are
what's
our
real
goal
here
right?
We
are
working
to
develop
a
new
way
to
build
transit
in
the
silicon
valley.
Transit
in
the
silicon
valley,
in
its
current
form,
is
taking
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
money.
We
have
some
incredible
projects
being
delivered
right
now,
including
the
bart
project
and
a
light
rail
extension
in
east
san
jose.
A
But
what
we're
seeing
is
we
need
more
transit
and
more
high
quality
transit
in
in
silicon
valley
in
a
much
faster,
a
quicker
fashion
than
we're
seeing
before,
and
so
part
of
our
project
here
is
really
to
see.
How
can
we
approach
transit
projects
both
from
a
technological
perspective
but
as
well
as
a
commercial
perspective
that
allows
us
to
expand
transit
quicker
using
this
as
the
first
leg?
A
A
We
are
trying
to
work
in
with
our
with
our
potential
partners
and
get
as
much
engagement
as
we
can,
and
secondly,
as
you
heard
from
the
mayor
and
the
rest
of
our
leadership,
this
support
will
go
throughout
the
project
and
we
really
are
here
to
be
a
long-term
partner
in
this.
So
then,
on
the
other
side,
what
are
we
looking
for?
We're
looking
for
the
right,
long-term
private
sector
partner?
A
A
We're
really
focused
on
goals
and
outcome
right.
So
while
we
are
excited
by
new
technologies
and
new
commercial
and
business
practices
that
may
allow
us
to
get
to
new
places,
our
real-
our
ultimate
purpose,
of
course,
is-
is
to
get
a
better
transit
experience
and
new
projects
out
there,
and
so
we're
really
looking
for
that
private
partner
who
can
come
in
and
and
and
help
sculpt.
That
approach
we're
also
trying
to
leverage
right
now.
A
Favorable
conditions
right
so
obviously,
as
as
the
mayor
highlighted,
we
have
a
very
fast
growing
downtown.
We
have
over
25
major
towers
under
development
and
various
forms
of
development
in
the
downtown,
and
that
doesn't
even
include
the
the
massive
google
project
that
the
mayor
mentioned
and
the
airport,
which
is
one
of
the
fastest
growing
in
the
country.
A
A
And
lastly,
we
are
seeing
a
new
layer
of
technology
or
new
form
of
technology
coming
to
the
market.
That
is
giving
us
the
strong
indication
or
strong,
allowing
us
to
put
forward
a
pretty
strong
hypothesis
that
there
are
significantly
new
ways
to
do.
Transit
both
from
the
development
and
and
construction.
A
Perspective,
so
what
does
this
mean
more
technically
all
right?
So
what
are
we
doing
right?
So
our
anticipated
delivery
model
for
this
project
is
an
rfp
to
award
an
at-risk
phased
pre-development
agreement,
we'll
be
working
collaboratively
with
the
developer,
to
validate,
define
the
project
and
deliver
deliver
it
before
entering
into
a
term
dpfon.
So,
basically,
we
want
to
get
into
a
an
early
agreement
with
a
potential
developer
to
refine
the
project
and
really
get
deeply
into
what
what
it
is.
A
A
A
We
know
that,
there's
an
immense
amount
of
market
knowledge
out
there
around
innovation
around
technology
around
the
the
commercial
structures
we
might
use.
We
really
want
to
lean
into
that
with
y'all,
and
so
our
our
rfp
will
specifically
be
open
to
folks
trying
to
challenge
the
way
that
things
are
done
and
challenge
even
the
way
that
we
write
the
rfp.
We
want
you
to
come
back
with
responses
that
say
you
know
this
is
how
we
want
to
take
on
this
risk.
A
A
We're
really
looking
to
transfer
some
of
the
risk
from
from
this
project
from
the
public
in
terms
of
project,
delivery,
project,
revenue
and
financing,
and
we
believe
that
that
will
allow
us
to
to
deliver
a
project
faster
and
with
less
strings
attached
and
then,
of
course,
we're
trying
to
minimize
public
funding
for
the
effort
all
right.
So
what
is
this
going
to
look
like
this?
The
rfp
phase?
It's
going
to
be
a
single
stage:
rfp.
A
There
will
be
some
qualifications
within
the
rfp,
but
we
will
not
be
doing
an
rfq
and
this
will
be
rfp
to
pda.
Our
expectation
is
to
release
this
in
quarter
one
next
year
and
we
are
looking
at
about
a
three
month
turnaround
period
open
to
comments
about
that
length
of
time.
You
know
what
are
the
main
things
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
in
this
rfp
one
is
team,
experience
and
qualifications
right.
A
What
things
are
we
looking
at,
I'm
going
to
highlight
passenger
centered
performance
specifications,
we're
really
going
to
be
focusing
what
the
system
parameters
are
around.
What
a
passenger
would
experience,
how
much
they
paid,
how
it
all
how
the
system
will
work
versus
subscribing
to
a
particular
technology.
A
We
are
really
looking
to
streamline
this.
We
want
this
to
move
as
fast
as
we
possibly
can.
We've
been
developing
this
rp
very
quickly,
and
you
know
we.
We
understand
that
for
a
lot
of
folks
out
there
moving
fast
is
one
of
the
most
important
elements
of
keeping
the
capital
involved
in
the
project,
and
so
we
really
are
aware
of
that
and
keeping
that
top
of
mind
all
right.
So
what
does
the
pda
phase
look
like
right,
so
we're
gonna
do
a
two-phase.
A
This
is
not,
I
know
a
lot
of
you
guys
know
about
the
supervisor
project
in
la
we're,
not
looking
for
that
long
term.
Two
two
project
teams
competing
deep
into
a
project.
What
we're
looking
for
here
is
a
probably
about
a
six
month.
First
phase
at
most.
That
will
really
give
us
some
more
time
to
look
deeply
at
the
business
cases
that
are
being
offered
for
that.
A
A
You
guys
are
welcome
to
put
your
teams
together,
as
you
see
fit,
but
these
are
the
kinds
of
rules
that
we
will
be
kind
of
checking
against.
As
we
look
into
your
rfp's,
you
know
we're
looking
for
these
key
components
to
make
sure
that
folks
have
enough
experience
both
in
terms
of
managing
major
projects
bringing
in
newer
technologies.
A
If
that's
what's
proposed,
then
in
the
longer
term,
really
those
system,
operations
and
maintenance
pieces
do
we
have
enough
wherewithal
to
make
sure
you're
carrying
those
species
in
the
long
run
and
of
course,
the
contractors
and
design
team
make
sure
we're
really
getting
these
the
the
project
defined
in
the
most
succinct
way,
all
right
all
right.
So
how
are
we
going
to
evaluate
the
rfp
responses
we
will
be
using
these?
These
are
the
kind
of
big
buckets
that
we'll
be
looking
at
in
the
rfp.
A
The
first
two
are
are
kind
of
binary
in
terms
of
there
will
be
some
basic
requirements.
You
know
just
compliance
with
administrative
and
submittal
requirements.
You
know
making
sure
your
paper
works
in
order
and
two
we
will
be
putting
in
some
basic
qualifications
around
teams
again.
This
is
this
is
really
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
the
cream
of
the
crop
in
terms
of
folks
who
can
deliver
on
this
and
have
enough
financial
backing
to
make
this
make
this
possible.
A
Then,
after
that
there'll
be
more
scale-based
evaluations
looking
at
the
project,
understanding
and
the
management
plan
again,
that's
that's
really
important
is
kind
of
how.
How
will
you
guys
actually
step
into
that
piece
after
that
we'll
be
looking
at
the
business
case
again,
this
kind
of
been
hitting
on
this
a
lot
our
business
case
really
the
technical
feasibility
of
the
proposal,
including
your
initial
alignment
proposals,
then
really
looking
at.
How
are
you
guys
gonna
meet
those
center
performance
specifications?
A
One
thing
that
I
will
say
is
time
and
money
are
obviously
equal
in
a
lot
of
ways
and
we
are
looking
for
different
approaches
to
how
to
whether
to
have
a
termination
payment
during
the
rfp
phase
or
during
the
pda
phase
and
into
the
project
phase,
and
so
we're
looking
for
y'all
to
propose
how
you
would
like
to
structure
a
payment
like
that.
If
you
would
like
to
have
a
payment
like
that
and
then,
if
you
would,
what
kinds
of
value
might
we
put
on
the
table?
A
You
know,
of
course,
as
monetary
value,
but
also
other
types
of
value
that
the
city
might
be
able
to
offer
to
make.
This
project
require
less
public
funds
for
one
and
also
two
to
go
faster,
all
right
because
to
get
some
of
those,
the
higher
those
public
funds
dollars
are
the
longer
it'll
take
to
get
them,
and
so
we're
trying
to
reduce
that
exposure
as
much
as
possible
all
right.
So
our
preliminary
schedule,
we
are
releasing
this
in
quarter
one
next
year,.
A
We're
going
to
try
to
do
it
as
early
as
possible,
we're
looking
for
submittals
in
quarter.
Two
and
again,
we
understand
we
want
to
give
you
guys
as
much
time
as
we
can,
while
still
trying
to
move
the
project
as
quickly
as
possible.
To
make
your
your
proposals,
we
expect
to
select
the
preferred
proposers
at
the
end
of
quarter
two
and
and
go
to
counsel
with
that
initial
agreement
and
then
select
the
the
yeah
then
select
the
or
sorry
execute
it
in
quarter.
A
I
forgot
to
take
a
note
out
there,
but
we'll
you'll
be
getting
a
questionnaire
from
us
afterwards
asking
you
what
your
preferred
amount
of
time
is
and
some
thoughts
on
that
for
all
this,
but
then
we
get
into
phase
pda
phase
two.
We
are
expecting
that
phase
to
take
about
18
to
24
months,
and
you
know
that's
something
we're
going
to
work
out
with
with
you
guys.
Whoever
gets
into
that
phase.
A
C
A
Yeah
great
thanks
so
much
for
those
questions.
I'm
gonna
have
to
ask
somebody
to
help
me
with
the
participants
in
chats.
For
some
reason,
my
zoom
is
failing
me
in
terms
of
being
able
to
see
those
windows.
So
first
will
we
be
sharing
this
presentation.
Absolutely
we'll
be
posting
this
to
our
project
website.
After
probably
later
today
or
potentially
tomorrow,
we
will
also
be
sending
out
the
the
participant
list
here
as
well.
A
C
A
It
be
sorry
my
computer
is
deciding
to
have
some
issues.
We
expect
it
to
expand
in
what
way.
This
is
something
that
both
can
be
discussed
during
the
the
pda
phase
as
well
as
in
the
future.
We
do
have
the
stephens
creek
line
that
has
also
been
adopted
in
the
plan
bay
area
process,
but
there's
multiple
jurisdictions
involved
there.
So
we
can't
just
kind
of
use
that
just
yet,
but
we
do
expect
that
to
to
come
up
as
as
a
potential
next
option.
A
There
are
other
options
moving
north
out
of
the
airport
towards
north
1st
street
and
connecting
into
the
light
rail
system
that
way
and
there's
also
been
some
discussion
about
moving
through
downtown,
in
particular,
there's
a
second
sharks
facility.
That's
right
next
to
the
south
campus
of
our
san
jose
state
university.
A
So
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
interest
from
the
local
stakeholders
to
see
this
expanded
in
lots
of
different
directions
and
we're
going
to
be
open
to
those
discussions.
We
may
we
are
discussing
and
there's
a
lot
of
logistics
in
this.
We
may
have
particular
routes
added
as
something
like
a
first
writer
refusal
as
part
of
this
rfp,
those
that's
under
discussion.
I
would
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
that
in
our
survey,
but
at
the
moment
I
can't
we
can't
promise
anything.
C
A
Great,
absolutely
so
we're
looking
for
fast,
frequent
and
reliable
and
personal
safety
right,
and
so
we're
really
looking
at
a
system
that
is
generally
separated
from
other
travel
modes
so
that
it
is
going
it's
giving
folks
a
a
competitive
travel
time
and
experience
we'll
give
you
this
in
a
more
technical
form
in
the
rfp
itself,
but
part
of
what's
exciting
us
in
the
marketplace.
Is
that
we're
seeing
different
approaches
to
transit
that
are
looking
at
some
of
these
different
things?
A
You
know
the
prt
and
grt
models
are
interesting,
but
of
course,
people,
movers
and
all
that
are
interesting
as
well,
so
anything
that's
giving
us
fast,
frequent
and
reliable
transit.
That's
and
giving
folks
an
elevated
experience
that
creates
a
competitive
opportunity.
So
folks
are
not
necessarily
driving.
C
A
B
A
Is
a
revenue
risk
model,
so
we
do
expect
fair
revenue
to
be
a
primary
source
and
we
do
expect
that
the
public
will
be
buying
into
this
project,
helping
fund
construction
to
some
degree
again
we're
trying
to
reduce
that
as
much
as
possible.
But
this
is
a
revenue
risk
project
now
inter-terminal
or
inter-facility
transportation
at
the
airport.
A
That
will
be,
if
offered
at
all
or
if
you
guys
proposed
that
at
all
there
would
be
some
airport
financing
to
be
looked
at,
but
we're
looking
for
approaches
to
paying
for
that
right.
Nobody
expects
to
pay
for
inter-facility
transportation
at
an
airport
as
a
passenger,
and
so
we're
looking
at
different
ways
to
do
that.
C
A
It
really
depends
on
on
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can't
say
yet
right.
It
could
be
three
to
four
miles
between
the
the
airport
and
downtown
really
depends
on
what
routing
I
will
take,
and
we
haven't
decided
on
a
specific
route
that
we
do
have
kind
of
a
search
space
for
that
route
and
again
we'll
be
publishing
that,
with
the
rfp
I
can't
say,
drew
do
you
know
the
the
size
kind
of
from
terminal
b
up
to
the
northern
lot.
C
A
No,
there
is
it's
not
assumed
at
all
so
again
proposing
the
inter-facility
piece
at
the
airport
is
an
option,
and
what
exactly
that
option
will
would
look
like
we'll
give
some
parameters
in
the
rfp
likely
as
to
what
we
would
like.
But
we
know
that
in
our
terminal,
as
well
as
to
major
facilities
would
be
good,
but
we
have
to
kind
of
prove
out
the
case
for
that
and
we're
looking
for
you
to
do
some
work
on
on
on
saying
what
you
think.
That
is.
A
B
A
C
A
A
C
A
D
Yeah
sure,
good
afternoon,
everybody
this
is
alfonso,
mendez
and
with
arab
and
and
then
part
of
the
team
that
is
assisting
the
city
in
this
interesting
project
and
the
procurement
and
they're
going
to
be
some
elements,
as
you
saw
in
the
presentation
that
are
speaking
towards
the
the
team
configuration
we're
envisioning
right.
Probably
the
most
important
element
here
is
the
developer.
We're
looking
for
a
developer,
led
team.
D
The
developer
will
be
the
the
counterparty
to
the
city
during
the
pda
phase
and
eventually
will
be
leading
the
incorporation
of
the
project
company
to
enter
into
the
long-term
dbfom
contract
with
the
city.
Definitely
it
has
to
be
an
experienced
developer
in
similar
p3
dbfom
projects
in
california,
but
as
part
of
that
team,
there's
going
to
be
an
important
member
that
is
going
to
be
the
technology
provider.
D
We
are
envisioning
these
teams
that
are
going
to
be
responding
to
the
rfp
to
be
fully
assembled
teams
where
the
developer
is
in
partnership.
With
that
technological
solution,
they're
going
to
be
submitting
and
as
part
of
that
business
case,
that
is
the
one
of
the
middle
requirements
that
the
rfp
is
going
to
be
containing
and,
of
course,
there
are
going
to
be
an
operator
role.
There's
going
to
be
a
maintenance
provider
role,
a
contractor
and
a
design
team
right.
D
We're
going
to
define
that
in
more
detail,
we're
going
to
try
to
be
as
flexible
as
possible
in
terms
of
allowing
one
single
entity
to
play,
maybe
more
than
one
role.
But
the
whole
idea
is
to
have
a
fully
assembled
team
that
can
have
all
the
the
abilities
and
capabilities
to
develop
the
project
right.
Some
of
them
might
be
actual
members
of
the
team.
Some
of
them
might
be
consultants
right
as
the
team
decides
to
assemble
themselves,
but
again
we're
going
to
be
defining
that
with
a
little
more
clarity
in
the
rfb.
A
Thanks
alfonso
and
then
on
the
the
first
question,
what
does
expandability
mean
we're
still
figuring
exactly
how
we're
going
to
define
it,
but
basically
it'll
mean
something
like
being
able
to
carry
probably
more
passengers
per
hour
than
the
airport.
Connector
would
would
demand,
as
well
as
be
able
to
deal
with
the
the
more
densely
populated
or
or
urban
environments.
We
were
seeing
more
stops
and
integrations
with
with.
C
A
Do
we
have
any
well?
We
do
expect
this
to
be
electric
and
would
like
to
see
the
lowest
carbon
footprint
possible
on
the
project.
We
haven't
come
up
with
a
direct
measurement
of
that
yet,
but
we'll
we'll
certainly
have
something
in
there
and
then
rubber
tires
versus
non-rubber
tires
we're
open
to
both
again
we're
technology,
agnostic,
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
A
You
know
in
in
a
perfect
world
it'd
be
great
to
just
see
the
light
rail
expand,
but
light
rail
expansions
are
costing
between
or
upwards
of,
300
million
dollars
a
mile
right
now,
that's
on
our
east
ridge,
light
rail
system
and
so
part
of
what
we
look
I
mean
if
someone
can
come
and
say
hey,
we
can
just
expand
the
light
rail
system
and
we
can
keep
the
cost
down
and
and
really
prove
that
case.
We're
certainly
open
to
that.
A
But
what
we
have
learned-
and
some
of
you
may
not
know
this-
but
this
is
kind
of
step
two
or
three
in
this
process.
We
did
do
a
request
for
information
back
in
2019
asking
companies
to
come
up
with
new
approaches
that
would
reduce
the
cost
of
transit
building
and
what
we
learned
in
there
was
that
there
are
newer
transportation
technologies
that
are
pushing
the
bounds
in
terms
of
what
it
costs
to
deliver
transit
projects.
A
Things
like
the
prt
systems
and
grt
systems
out
there
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
the
boring
company.
There's
a
lot
of
interesting
new
approaches
to
transit
out
there
that
are
looking
like
they
could
substantially
reduce
the
cost
of
transit.
You
know
things
like
making
the
the
infrastructure
itself,
the
the
guideways
I'm
about
as
dumb
as
possible,
actually
is
really
smart
because
it
reduces
the
cost
of
building
that
infrastructure.
A
So
we
are
seeing
some
very
good
information
that
leads
us
to
posit
the
strong
hypothesis
that
new
approaches
to
transit
are
possible
and
that
old
technologies
or
or
updates
to
all
technologies,
certainly
are
open
to
them.
But
again
the
information
we're
seeing
is
saying
the
market
has
is
starting
to
offer
new
opportunities
here
and
we
want
to.
We
want
to
hear
we
want
to
kind
of
play
that
out
and
see.
You
know
whether
those
technologies
themselves
really
can
do.
A
C
C
A
Think
I
can
answer
that
one
right.
So
do
we
have
ridership
numbers?
Yes,
there's
a!
There
is
a
2017
study
that
will
be
going
up
on
the
project
website,
probably
today
or
tomorrow
before
we
put
up
the
the
the
follow-up
email
to
this.
Today's
event
that
gives
ridership
estimates
from
there.
They
already
assume
bart
and
high-speed
rail
and
all
of
that
coming
in,
and
they
don't
yet
assume
the
amount
of
growth
that
we're
seeing
downtown.
A
A
C
A
Right,
so
full
environmental
permitting
will
not
be
able
to
be
done
during
the
pda
phase,
so
we
could
start
it
depending
on
how
deep
we
get
in.
We
expect
that
to
be
either
late
in
the
pda
phase
or
early
in
the
dfom
phase.
Who
will
be
completing
it?
As
I
said
earlier,
it'll
be
a
joint
exercise.
We
expect
to
be
the
lead
agency
and
portions
of
it.
A
We
are
going
to
the
airport
and
going
through
some
faa
facilities,
and
so
we
will
be
having
to
do
in
nepa
as
well,
and
so
of
course
we
won't
be
the
elite
transportation
agency
or
the
environmental
agency
for
that
we
yeah
we're
open
to
negotiating
and
discussing
exactly
which
team
is
leading
that
process.
But
we
see
it
as
a
joint
venture.
A
C
B
C
A
C
A
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
really
clear.
You
know
we
fought
really
hard
to
get
that.
You
know
the
the
big
you
know.
Regional
transportation
plans
are
basically
pipes
for
putting
money
through
and
we
have
a
sized
pipe
at
500
million
we'd
really
like
not
to
ask
for
that
much.
We
think
that
that
can
add
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
overhead
to
a
project
so
we're
trying
to
reduce
that
as
much
as
possible
and
again
we'll
be.
C
A
Depends
on
your
technology
right!
We!
If,
if
we're
on
a
system
that
you
know
the
the
consist
or
or
vehicles,
must
stop
at
each
stop,
then
yeah.
We
would
very
much
want
a
a
express,
whereas,
if
you're
looking
at
a
prt
or
grt
model,
those
questions
are
totally
different
right.
The
vehicle
goes
from
a
to
b
and
bypasses
stops
that
are
not
relevant
to
the
to
the
writers.
So,
yes
and
we'd
love
to
see
different
approaches
to
that
question
based
on
technology.
A
Oh
well,
that's
a
great
thing
that
we
could
negotiate
into
the
and
do
our
pda.
You
know.
One
thing
we're
really
looking
for
is:
what
are
the
things
the
public
can
put
on
the
line
to
help
this
project
succeed
and
those
are
the
those
are
that's
a
wonderful
idea
in
terms
of
the
kind
of
value
the
public
could
put
on
put
into
the
agreement
to
help
make
this
go
forward,
so
we
are
definitely
open
to
those
discussions.
A
They'll,
of
course,
be
a
give
and
take
there
there's
no
project
that
doesn't
have
public
oversight,
what
kind
of
oversight
we
are
doing,
our
best
to
take
a
as
much
of
a
hands-off
approach
to
the
development
of
this
as
possible,
while
still
expressing
the
public
good
and
that
will
likely
go
over.
You
know
if
you
build
an
extremely
ugly
overhead
system
that
wants
to
go
through
guadalupe
gardens
park.
A
Yeah
and
so
we're
going
to
have
to
you,
know,
there's
going
to
have
to
be
thought
put
into
that,
but
we're
going
to
be
very
open
to
approaches
on
on
all
aspects
of
the
project.
I
know
that's
a
very
vague
answer,
we'll
give
some
what
we
can
in
the
rfp
and
really
dig
into
the
pda,
but
we
do
understand
that
every
every
layer
of
requirement
adds
cost
and
so
the.
A
A
At
the
same
time,
coming
in
with
the
technology,
particularly
if
it's,
if
it's
newer
or
or
just
coming
out
of
just
coming
out
of
testing,
offers
a
different
type
of
risk
right
and
so
we're
aware
of
both
sides
of
that
and
we're
open
to
both.
But
I
will
say
we're
leaning
so
far,
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
benefit
to
knowing
what
the
technology
we'd
be
working
with
early
on
is
because
technology
does
define
the
parameters
and
costs
around
what
the
infrastructure
is
a
great
deal
and
so
yeah.
A
So
we're
kind
of
we're
playing
those
different
things
off
each
other
and
again
we're
our.
We
see
our
job
is
to
be
as
open
as
possible
to
get
the
right
project.
That's
why
we're
we're
really
going
to
be
focusing
on
performance,
metrics
versus
dictating
technology,
and
all
that
I
think
I'm
going
to
share
our
thinking
as
well.
Here.
C
A
A
A
Yeah,
I
I
I
think
it's
a
very
good
question
right,
because
california
does
offer
us
all
a
very
specific
context
in
which
we're
trying
to
figure
these
things
out.
So
we
definitely
value
california
experience,
but
we
are
not
set
on
california
experience,
particularly
other
american
experiences,
but
also
international
experiences
with
a
team
that
knows
how
to
translate
that
to
a
local
context
or
other
other
potentials.
A
A
That's
a
very,
very
important
and
good
question.
What
we
have
discussed
so
far
in
the
project
team
is
that
there
would
be
a
basic
parameters
around
a
few
different
things:
one
the
fair
system,
not
the
fair
dollars,
but
the
fair
system
would
need
to
integrate
with
the
regional
affairs
system.
That's
the
clipper
card
as
well;
yeah,
that's
the
kind
of
fair
medium
and
all
that.
So
we
need
to
be
integrated
to
that
two.
There
is
a
means-tested
fare
program,
that's
coming
out
of
mtc
and
we
would
wan.
A
We
would
require
that
this
project
cooperate
with
that
project.
Now,
what
about
just
general
general
fares?
We
wanna
be
as
open
to
those
fares
rising
with
the
needs
of
the
project,
while
still
balancing
off
against
real
world
competition
right.
So
the
last
thing
we
want
is
a
is
you
know,
uber
and
lyft
to
be
cheaper
than
this,
and
so
I
think
we
haven't
exactly
articulated
how
we
want
to
put
it
out
there,
but
we
we.
A
We
can't
have
a
twelve
dollar
red,
fair
between
downtown
and
the
airport
and
that's
just
a
random
number.
I
just
need
to
say
there's
going
to
be
bounds,
exactly
how
to
express
that
where
we
are
trying
to
keep
as
open
to
that
as
possible,
while
we're
more
interested
in
controlling
for
equity
concerns
and
allowing
kind
of
the
market
forces
to
make
the
the
overall
system
work.
C
A
C
A
A
Not
yet
we
are
working
with
all
of
the
major
land
holders
along
the
potential
route
and
having
them
write
letters
expressing
their
interests,
whether
they
be
hey,
stay
away
from
us
to
hey.
We
want
you
to
integrate
and
give
us
a
stop
and
the
like
along
it.
So,
but
we
have
and
those
letters
ones
we
get
will
be
append
size
to
the
to
the
rfp
itself.
C
A
A
C
A
A
really
great
question-
and
I
think
you
know
in
the
downtown
area
there
isn't
really
any
more
land.
I
don't
think
for
a
project
to
to
grow
on
that
right,
because
so
the
basic
question
there
is
can
can
some
revenue
be
gained
on
a
land
you
steal
on
top
of
the
transit
piece.
You
know
I
could
see
some
some
creative
parties
working
along
coleman
avenue
to
get
some
of
those
properties
built
up
a
bit
more.
D
A
They
are,
you
know,
right
in
the
landing
path
of
the
of
the
airport,
and
so
there's
not
much
density.
You
can
build
there,
but
there's
there's
some.
So
that
is
not
part
of
our
thinking
at
the
moment
in
terms
of
we've
definitely
thought
about
it,
but
we
haven't
structured
it
into
the
rfp,
but
it
could
offer
opportunity
right.
Creating
creating
links
to
a
land
use
property
of
your
own.
Devising
could
certainly
add
value.
C
A
Again,
you
know
we're
not
sure
if
this
will
be
called
a
franchise,
but
this
is
more
of
a
franchise
model,
so
the
contract
for
o
m
won't
necessarily
be
with
the
city,
but
with
with
the
the
power
that
is
this
this
piece,
and
so
it
depends
on
how
you
think
about
that
right
and
how
that
gets
structured,
yeah.
Absolutely
the
o
m
costs
are
our
long
running
costs.
A
D
To
add
anything
to
that
absolutely
rinses,
thank
you.
Let
me
just
turn
my
camera
on.
I
think
that
in
general,
the
the
idea
we
have
in
mind
initially
is
that
you
know
the
the
cornerstone
of
the
approach
we're
going
to
be
taking
is:
is
the
market
risk
revenue
model
right?
Based
on
that?
You
know
any
any
sort
of
case
that
you
can
develop
around
that
model
right,
where
even
there
might
be
a
decoupling
of
the
o
m
contract
vis-a-vis
the
long-term
design
bill
financed
that
could
be
considered
right.
D
This
part
of
your
business
case
is
part
of
showcasing
that
feasibility
of
the
of
the
approach
you're
going
to
be
taking
to
deliver
this
under
the
assumption
that
we're
going
to
be
relying
primarily
on
that
revenue
risk
and
secondarily,
as
ron
says
mentioned
before
we're
going
to
be
potentially
tapping
with
some
public
funding,
you
know
complementing
that
that
public
funding
might
have
different
forms.
Different
ways
could
be
a
milestone
payment.
There
might
be
a
compounding
of
of
you
know
gradual
payments
over
time,
but
we
don't
know
yet
right.
D
A
C
A
Factor,
innovations
we
are
focused
on
producing
the
project
that
gives
us
the
best
value
for
for
for
producing
more
passengers
on
the
system.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
was
tongue-in-cheek
or
not,
but
we're
wow
factor
is,
is
fun
and
helps
us
kind
of
get.
No,
you
know
attention
on
this,
but
that's
not
what
we're
interested
in
we're
interested
in
transit
that
can
be
delivered
faster
at
a
cheaper
price
and
give
folks
a
better
experience.
A
A
Yeah,
well,
we
we
definitely
like
the
idea
of
more
stops.
We
do
think
you
know.
That's
that's
part
of
adding
value
to
the
system,
how
we're
going
to
score
it.
I
don't
know
yet,
but
I
do
think
that
we
haven't
kind
of
figured
out
exactly
how
to
tweak
that.
But
we've
seen
a
few
folks
really
say:
hey
we
want
to.
We
want
to
propose
some
intermittent
stops
between
our
primary
two,
the
primary
goal
of
getting
you
know,
terminal
beta
to
do
it
on,
and
so
we
are
looking.
B
A
You
know-
and
I
was
just
saying
in
the
end,
what
we're
looking
for
is
a
larger
system
and
particularly
a
system
that
allows
more
places
to
be
connected,
particularly
to
downtown
right.
This
is
this:
it
can
become
a
way
out
of
downtown
into
some
areas
that
aren't
well
connected
yet
and
so
the
more
connection
we
can
create
into
those
areas,
the
better
right.
So
you
know
one
place
we
haven't
talked
together.
This
is
total
conjecture,
but
you
know:
hey
look
at
where
the
earthquakes
play
over
at
paypal
park.
A
A
Yeah,
I
think,
speed
of
of
connection
versus
like
speed
of
vehicle
right
a
vehicle.
That's
that's
traveling
at
35
miles
an
hour.
The
entire
time
from
you
know,
leaving
its
station
to
getting
to
a
station
versus
a
vehicle
that
can
get
up
to
60
miles
an
hour,
but
only
gets
there
for
if,
if
that,
because
it's
stopping
at
every
stop
right,
so
you
know
again
it's
going
to
be
about
speed
of
connection
versus
speed
of
vehicle.
B
A
C
A
A
A
A
C
A
I'm
hoping
I
can
get
it
out
by
tomorrow
and
that
would
include
that
email
will
include
a
link,
hopefully
to
the
recording.
It
depends
on
how
fast
the
recording
comes
out
of
the
cloud
system.
Let's
zoom
the
survey,
a
quick
note
about
this,
as
well
as
a
the
registration
list
and
then
yeah
all
answers
will
be
treated
according
to
the
city's
confidentiality
information.
A
A
B
A
A
All
right
give
folks
two
more
another
minute
to
think
on
any
questions
that
come
up
otherwise
we'll
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
We've
got
a
incredibly
exciting
project
here,
a
real
chance
to
take
the
market
in
a
new
direction
in
a
pretty
valuable
market
here
and
we're
looking
for
we're.
Looking
for
the
partners
who
see
the
value
here
who
are
looking
to
invest
in
the
long
term
and
yeah
we've
very
much
enjoyed
the
the
contact
with
the
market
so
far.