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A
A
Will
be
attending,
she
is
ill
tonight
and
cannot
attend.
C
Okay,
so
she's
excused
commissioner
granillo.
C
I
can
see
her
so
commissioner,
Pettis
present.
Thank
you
both
chair
long.
F
A
A
E
A
D
Thank
you,
chair
long
on
page
eight,
it's
really
just
perhaps
a
typo.
The
first
sentence
monstrously
unwieldy
rather
than
unwelding.
C
H
G
Would
just
request
one
correction:
it's
at
the
bottom
of
page
11.,
the
line
reads
currently,
commissioner
I've
said
it
is
best
to
give
where
we
have
ended
up
for
the
comments
as
to
what
is
posted
rather
than
redlines,
and
that's
not
a
model
of
clarity
and
I
hope,
I
more
intelligently.
What
I
would
propose
to
what
changed
that
to?
As
commissioner
Ives
said,
it
is
best
to
post
where
we
have
ended
up
or
comment
comma
rather
than
the
red
lines.
A
C
A
A
A
A
I
know
that
the
City
attorney
provided
you
with
a
couple
items
of
public
comment
that
had
been
provided
previously
and
now
that
our
website
is
up
and
running,
we
did
receive
some
targeted
comment
just
today
on
a
couple
of
the
topics,
because
they're
divided
by
topic,
which
allows
the
public
to
comment
on
those.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
working
really
well,
it's
a
new
development
for
us,
so
I'm,
hoping
that
we
get
more
public
comment,
as
as
people
are
aware
that
that's
available.
A
Oh
yes,
commissioner,
Ortiz.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
I'm
I'm
actually
excited
that
we
have
maybe
a
handful
of
individuals
in
the
city
that
are
paying
attention
and
and
listening
and
and
taking
the
time
to
share
with
us
their
comments.
I
think
it's
extremely
important
that
we
have
benefit
of
that
I'm
glad
I'm
the
this
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
I'm
just
a
little
concerned
that
the
nature
of
our
documents,
if
you
print
them
all
out
they're
quite.
E
F
Will
preclude
a
lot
of
individuals
in
the
city
from
reading
through
them
and
being
able
in
a
timely
manner,
to
give
us
their
perspective
or
their
comments
based
on
what
we're
looking
at
at
the
moment.
So
I
want
to
thank
the
individuals
that
provide
the
public
comment.
I
also
would
like
to
indicate
that,
because
there's
some
instances
in
those
comments
that
the
individuals
raise
some
very
valid
points,
they
talk
about
transparency.
They
talk
about
some
of
our
recommendations
and
not
helping
and
towards
the
goal
that
we
thought
we
were
moving
towards.
F
I
would
like
for
the
commission
to
be
able
to
send
time
to
go
through
those
comments
and
lay
them
over
the
language
that
we're
presently
looking
at
to
move
forward
to
the
city
council,
so
that
we
make
sure
that
we're
adding
value
so
that
we
make
sure
that
something
that
they
saw
that
we
perhaps
fail
to
see
is
is
investigated,
is
looked
at
as
research
and
and
that
we
assure
ourselves
that
we
are
doing
the
best
job
to
get
good
information,
good,
best
practice,
information
to
the
city
councilors
and
not
set
them
up
for
for
looking
at
and
reviewing
and
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
something
that
had.
F
We
spent
a
little
bit
more
analysis
on
could
have
been
a
better
product
for
them.
So
I'm
hoping
that
Madam
chair,
as
we
discuss
later
on
meetings
that
we
allow
time
between
now
and
our
next
meeting
and
clearly
before
we
vote
before.
We
vote
to
to
look
at
the
comments
and
and
and
make
sure
that
our
recommendations
are
in
line
with
what
our
intent
was.
F
The
other
piece
to
the
public
comments.
Madam
chair
is
I'm
concerned
that
the
perhaps
we
haven't
given
the
public
enough
time
to
look
at
our
information
and
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
commission
I
know
we
talked
about
it
at
our
first
meeting,
I'm
wondering
if
this
commission
is
open
to
the
the
thought
of
having
a
public
hearing
simply
for
allowing
the
public
to
come
on
an
evening
somewhere
to
give
their
comments
to
gather
the
data
and
look
at
that
I
know.
F
We
have
an
issue
with
time:
I'm,
not
sure
how
that
impacts,
our
our
ability
to
hold
a
public
hearing
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
an
opportunity
or
the
ability
to
extend
the
time
for
another
month,
I'm,
not
sure
how
hard
set
the
May
10th
deadline
is
for
our
work
to
be
done.
I
guess
that's
a
question
for
you,
madam
chair
and
the
attorney,
but
but
I
believe,
because,
because
the
documents
are
pretty
much
out
there
this
week,
that
we
really
need
to
give
the
community
more
time
to
look
at
it.
F
I
believe
I
would
be
doing
a
disservice
and
I
wouldn't
be
doing
what
I'm
asked
to
do
here
to
represent
my
my
district
and
to
make
sure
that
they're,
given
an
opportunity
to
see
our
post
end
result
and
I
think
another
sharing
or
a
hearing
would
help
that
now.
There's
other
ways
to
do
that
and
I'm
open
to
that.
I
just
believe
at
this
point
in
the
game,
we're
so
close
to.
F
Turning
in
a
document
to
the
city,
council
I
believe
the
comments
that
I've
seen
the
few
that
I've
seen
are
good
and
I
believe
we
need
to
analyze
them
and
then
let
other
people
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
their
comments.
So
that's
that's
my
two
cents
on
the
comment
issue
and
on
perhaps
another
public
hearing
or
meeting
to
allow
the
community
to
bear
with
us
what
they
feel
is
important.
G
You,
madam
chair
well,
I,
would
certainly
agree.
It
would
be
wonderful
to
have
a
public
hearing
specifically
designed
to
bring
in
comments
people
all
across
the
city,
and
you
know,
of
course
we
can
note
that
these
are
public
meetings
where
there
is
opportunity
for
public
comment,
but
yeah.
It's
a.
G
It
certainly
has
not
worked
as
we
would
have
hoped
and
I
will
say,
I'm
glad
to
see
a
number
of
members
of
the
press
here
tonight
who,
hopefully
will
be
getting
out
that
word
to
constituencies
across
the
city
that
we
welcome
those
comments,
hopefully
with
references
to
the
site
where
the
comment
form
is
and
where
the
various
documents
are
are
located,
so
that
we
can
have
that
process
be
engaged
in
in
Earnest.
G
G
G
A
I
I
think
the
commission
is
sensing,
and
this
is
an
issue
that
I
discussed
with
with
our
attorney
that
we
are
going
to
have
another
meeting.
This
is
not
our
last
meeting
and
we'll
probably
have
more
than
one
so
that
we
can
get
to
a
vote
on
Final
recommendations
and
a
vote
to
approve
the
report
that
will
go
to
the
council
in
terms
of
a
public
hearing
I.
Commissioner
Ives
I
agree.
These
are
public
meetings
and
we
invite
public
comment
I'm
open
to
suggestions.
A
As
to
our
next
meeting,
which
looks
like
it
can
be
in
person,
maybe
you
know
another
blast
on
our
website,
something
on
the
cities
Banner
that
says
you
know
this
is
where
the
final
vote
will
be
taken.
Please
come
and
have
your
voice
heard.
Maybe
that
would
suffice,
but
I
don't
I,
don't
know
that
just
calling
one
of
our
meetings
of
public
hearing
is
going
to
get
people
to
come,
but
I
I,
don't
I
could
be
wrong
about
that
as
to
the
date.
A
Yes,
the
date
when
we
are
to
have
our
work
concluded
is
in
the
resolution
that
set
forth
the
items
we
were
to
consider
and
constituted
the
commission,
and
that
is
May
10th.
So
that's
what
we've
been
trying
to
work
for
I
guess
I
will
ask
Aaron
to
weigh
in
on
any
latitude
there.
B
Thank
you,
chair
long
Commissioners.
It
is
the
date
in
the
resolution.
So
if
we
wanted
an
amendment
to
that
resolution
or
a
restated
resolution,
it's
there's
only
there's
not
another
governing
body
even
scheduled
before
the
date
it's
due.
So
it
would
not
be
possible
to
adopt
an
amendment
to
that
resolution.
At
this
point,
unless,
like
everybody,
wanted
to
call
a
special
meeting
to
introduce
a
resolution,
call
another
special
meeting
to
adopt
the
resolution
and
then
they
would
have
a
new
date
before
the
10th
there's.
A
Been
no
requests,
yeah,
I,
wouldn't
think
so
so
I
think
what
we
need
to
try
to
work
toward
that
deadline
and
I
know
that
everyone
has
been
responding
to
additional
meeting
dates
and
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
We're
going
to
have
some
meetings
kind
of
crunched
up
here
at
the
end,
so
I
really
appreciate
your
willingness
to
do
that.
It's
not
easy
with
schedules
and
trying
to
get
this
done,
but
but
we'll
get
there.
A
So
I
think
also
on
the
public
comment
there.
As
you
mentioned,
commissioner
Ives,
there
are
some
new
topics,
maybe
that
were
that
were
presented.
A
There's
also
some
comment
on
the
topics
that
have
already
been
referred
to
the
Committees,
and
so
even
if
you
can't
get
the
full
committee
together,
but
perhaps
before
we
meet
to
vote
on
our
recommendations,
if
those
committees
that
have
that
particular
topic
could
look
at
the
comments
that
are
addressed
to
their
item
and
see,
if
that
makes
any
difference
in
the
recommendation
or
if
there's
anything,
you
want
this
commission
to
know
about
that
and
you're
thinking.
A
That
would
be
most
appreciated
and
I
know
that's
yet
another
meeting
before
next
week
when
we're
me
when
we
plan
to
meet,
but
maybe
you
could
do
that
by
telephone
and
just
give
us
your
thoughts.
That
would
be
very
helpful,
because
I
too
was
excited
to
see
the
comments
coming
in
and
I
agree.
They
were
well
done
and
succinct
and-
and
it
was,
it
was
very
gratifying
to
see
that
and
I'm
hoping
we'll
get
some
more.
A
Okay,
so
we'll
go
on
to
our
action
items
and
discussion
and
I
think
we're
all
agreeing
tonight
or
we're
we're
sensing
that
we're
not
going
to
take
any
vote
on
these
tonight.
I
mean
that's
a
sense
of
the
commission,
but
we
do
want
to
hear
reports
from
the
Committees
whether
anything
has
changed
on
the
recommendations
that
you
have
and
any
new
developments.
A
I
know
that
on
the
Committees
there
has
been
some
language
that
has
been,
or
some
of
the
proposals
have
been
rewarded
based
on
comments
from
this
commission
at
our
last
meeting
and
that's
what
we
want
to
hear
about.
So,
let's
go
to
the
governance,
governance
and
financial
audit
subcommittee
and
we'll
start
with
commissioner
deirdack.
I
The
only
thing
that
will
occur
to
you,
as
you
read
our
latest
edition,
is
that
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
within
the
committee
about
advice
that
we
had
received,
that
it
appeared
that
the
charter
as
it
exists
today,
references
a
committee
and
only
one,
and
there
is
no
other
reference
to
the
finance
committee
elsewhere
and
so
that
had
seemed
like
an
outlier
and
at
one
point
we
issued
an
addition
that
struck
that
reference.
I
But
we
had
quite
a
discussion
about
it
as
a
committee
again
after
the
last
meeting
and
decided
to
return
that
language
as
it
exists
in
the
charter
today,
because
we
are
proposing
a
significant
section
on
financial
management
and
so
many
entities
throughout
the
Civics
of
our
state
do
have
Finance
committees
and
expect
finance
committee
activity
in
the
process,
and
so
on
balance.
We
we
listened
to
any
different
way
to
slice
that
and
and
settled
on
returning
to
the
language
that
exists
today,
other
than
that
the
material
I
believe
in
Maria
and
well.
I
He
may
might
correct
me
if
I'm
mistaken,
but
it's
my
belief
that,
other
than
that
the
rest
of
it
is,
as
the
commission
has
seen,
it
did,
I
get
that
right.
I
got
that
right.
Yes,.
A
I
If
I
may
Echo
your
thanks
to
Aaron
and
her
colleagues,
we
did
our
best
and
you
did
better
than
your
best
and
it
the
product
is
excellent.
So
thank
you.
B
You
Commissioners
Pat
figgelly
is
online
here
too,
and
I
know
she's
been
contributing
quite
significantly.
She's
in
the
in
the
guest
room
over
there,
listening
and
Marcos
Martinez
I
know,
has
also
contributed
significantly
so
I
very
much
appreciate
their
help.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
based
on
comments
and
review.
We
did
have
a
few
proposed
modifications
to
excuse
me.
Two
of
the
measures
that
we
had
been
looking
at
the
first
just
taking
them
in
I
have
the
paper
in
hand
with
regards
to
the
sort
of
food
policy
statement
in
article
two.
G
G
Our
city
government,
shell,
take
those
steps
necessary
to
provide
our
community
with
adequate
food
resources
in
a
sustainable
manner
that
promotes
the
local
production
of
food
and
the
wise
and
conservation
minded
use
of
water,
and
some
concern
was
raised
that
that
might
entail
potential
litigation
against
the
city.
So
we
modification
that
I
would
suggest
to
folks
gathered
here
to
that
same
sentence
which
would
begin
working
to
ensure
that
all
in
Santa
Fe
are
well
fed
and
not
experiencing
prolonged
hunger
or
lack
of
nutritious
food.
G
Our
city
government
should
take
undertake
efforts
to
ensure
that
our
community
has
adequate
food
resources
made
available
in
a
sustainable
manner
that
promotes
the
local
production
of
food
and
the
wise
and
conservation-minded
use
of
water
and
city
land,
so
the
the
shell
to
should
so
that
it's
not
won't
be
perceived
as
necessarily
a
strict
obligation
on
the
city
to
ensure
that
which
it
certainly
can't
do
as
an
initial
matter
that
everybody
receives
sufficient
food.
G
You
can
only
do
so
much
so
that
seemed
a
reasonable
compromise
on
that
particular
Point
and
then,
with
the
regards
to
the
article
10
proposed
amendment,
which
deals
with
Charter
review.
Adding
a
new
sentence
at
the
end
that
would
read.
Topics
must
be
submitted
by
March
15th
to
allow
time
for
the
commission
to
consider
them
before
their
June
deadline.
So
part
of
the
challenge,
even
now
that
we
experience
is
getting
recommendations
on
proposed
changes
that
are
coming
meeting
before
our
last
meeting
or
then
our
imminent
reporting
out.
G
So
just
having
folks
understand
and
mind
you,
that
proposal
expands
the
time
in
which
the
commission
would
meet
to
a
year
to
begin
with.
So,
as
well
as
necessitating
additional
meetings
and
engagement
of
the
public,
so
it's
really
just
designed
that
to
say
bring
it
in
by
this
time,
so
that
there's
time
for
the
commission
to
really
consider
it
rather
than
do
a
a
an
incomplete
job.
G
Just
everybody
and
the
council
would
certainly
have
the
opportunity,
as
they
did
in
the
current
circumstance
in
the
resolution,
creating
the
commission
to
provide
topics
initially,
but
again
it's
a
slow
process,
getting
everybody
in
the
city
engaged
and
capable,
or
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
provide
additional
topics
or
comments.
So.
G
Actually,
we
didn't
have
any
changes
to
the
Human
Rights
Commission
provision
at
this
point
in
time,
and
those
were
the
three
that
we
had
considered.
So
my
additional
points
I
can
easily
save
for
the
introduction
of
potentially
new
topics.
I
will
say
that
I
have
talked
I,
think
with
all
of
the
members
of
the
committee
except
one,
and
there
is
concurrence
that
the
various
committees
and
other
groups
and
I
have
language
which
I
can
share
that
are
formed.
G
The
commissions
Etc
that
are
formed
by
the
city
should
follow
the
requirements
of
the
open
meetings.
Act.
A
G
I
would
invite
any
of
the
other
Commissioners
to
certainly
weigh
in
at
this
point
or
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Yes,.
I
Thank
you
I
appreciate
the
committee
looking
at
the
agriculture
piece
and
making
some
changes.
I
guess
I
I
looked
at
it
also
and
I
noticed
that
someone
writing
a
charter
from
scratch
may
not
have
included
article
two
the
way
it
is
anyway,
article
two
I
think
has
seven
Provisions.
Now
they
are,
some
of
them
seem
to
State
values.
I
I
I
Another
is,
we
are
a
living
wage
City
and
we
we
plow
away
at
that
in
the
citizens
of
this
town,
really
put
effort
into
that,
doesn't
appear
in
the
charter
at
all,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
that
you
know
if,
if
all
of
us
were
royalty
and
could
dictate
what
happens,
none
of
us
are
do
Charters
properly
include
what
Santa
Fe
includes
an
article
2.
I
I.
We
have
not
plowed
that
field
at
all
in
this
commission.
It
would
be
an
a
strenuous
project,
but
I
I'm,
just
saying
that
I
have
decided
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
to
relax
about
this
one
because
getting
into
it
entails
much
too
much
so
I'm
gonna,
relax.
G
A
G
Certainly,
at
some
level
a
charter
is
different
than
a
constitution
and,
of
course,
if
you
look
at
the
United
States,
the
Declaration
of
Independence
is
probably
as
good
a
statement
of
values,
as
you
could
ever
hope
to
see,
and
that
very
much
is
considered
to
be.
You
know
a
founding
document
within
our
country.
You
know
we
hold
these
truths
to
be
self-evident.
All
men
are,
you
know
exactly
I.
E
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
two
items
here
tonight
again.
This
is
we
hadn't
introduced
language
before
relating
to,
if
you
will
subsection
D
that
we
were
to
consider
which
was
whether
all
bodies
of
city
government,
including
those
established
as
advisory
in
nature.
Commas
such
as
committees,
comma
commissions,
comma,
special
committees,
comma
task
forces,
Etc
comma,
should
comply
with
the
state
open
meetings,
Act
and
based
upon
speaking
again
with
other
members
within
the
committee.
G
The
requirements
of
the
New
Mexico,
open
meetings,
act
and
I
thought
it
was
the
one
can,
because
advisory
bodies
under
the
open
meetings
act
do
not
necessarily
have
to
comply
with
the
open
meetings
act
because
they're
not
making
any
final
decisions
which
are
the
sort
of
Hallmark
of
open
meetings.
G
It
seemed
appropriate
to
call
that
out
in
a
way
that
would
make
clear
that
the
intent
is
that
these
advisory
bodies
should
comply.
Okay,.
B
B
So
the
times
that
we've
met
100,
virtually
those
were
considered
an
exception
to
open
meetings,
act
that
we
created
because
open
meetings
Act
only
allows
for
virtual
attendance
if
it's
difficult
or
impossible.
So
we've
allowed
our
advisory
committees
to
make
a
vote
that
it's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
public
to
hold
in
a
virtual
meeting,
which
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
also
on
on
this
agenda
tonight.
So
that's
one
exception.
That's
been
made.
B
There
have
been
discussions,
particularly
with
our
disabilities,
community
and
Advisory
board,
about
some
of
the
hardships
that
the
open
meetings
act
imposes
upon
them
because
they
are
not
able
to
circulate
written
products
amongst
themselves
in
advance
of
open
meetings
and,
and
they
feel
like
that,
at
least
the
chairperson
right
now
has
raised
that
as
a
potential
concern
and
I
think
was
advocating
modifications
to
the
city's
policy,
which
is
right
now
via
resolution,
in
one
of
our
procedural
roles,
that
our
advisory
committees
are
generally
held
to
the
open
meetings
act
with
with
these
exceptions
that
I've
mentioned
and
then
also
there's
been
at
least
one
committee
since
I've
been
with
the
city
who
had
some
other
specific
deviations
to
allow
for
certain
types
of
conversations
to
occur.
B
That
that,
and
that
was
the
public
safety
special
and
maybe
Alvin,
remembers
the
specific
name
of
that.
The
task
force
that
was
convened.
B
Is
correct,
chair,
yes,
councilor,
Rivera
and
Villareal.
Are
the
I
think
the
co-chairs
of
that
one
so
that
one
that
committee
I
think
initially
had
some
deviations
as
well
that
they
thought
were
helpful
in
order
to
get
certain
types
of
public
feedback?
I?
Think
that
part
they
did
update
the
resolution,
I'm
not
sure
that's
still
in
there,
but
I
think
they
found
other
ways
to
gather
that
type
of
information.
B
So
those
are
some
of
the
considerations
that
have
happened
at
the
city.
Currently,
the
100
virtual
I
think
is
one
where
we're
entirely
deviating
currently
for
advisory
committees
and
then
there's
been
requests
for
other
types
of
deviations,
such
as
being
able
to
write
amongst
committee
members
outside
of
committees
in
order
to
facilitate
conversations.
Those
are
obviously
still
subject
to
apra,
which
I
think
that
committee
was
advocating
as
a
safeguard
on
on
the
information
to
the
public.
But
no
changes
have
been
made
for
that
purpose.
Yet
are.
A
Those
all
virtual
meetings
are
they
on
YouTube
and
open
to
the
public
to
view
chairlong.
B
Commissioners,
some
of
them
are
not
all
of
our
facilities
are
equipped
to
manage
that.
So,
if
they're
held
here
in
the
council
chambers,
it's
easier
for
us
to
do
that
and
then
a
couple
other
locations,
but
primarily
from
this
Chambers
I,
think
it's
the
easiest.
We
could
ask
it
as
well.
I
think
this
is
this
room.
We
we
improved
the
technology
quite
a
bit.
B
That
is
not
a
requirement
for
having
a
100
virtual
meeting.
We
do
retain
the
record
of
the
zoom
meeting,
I.
Believe,
oh
yeah,
you
can
record
that
right.
A
B
Chairlong
councilor
Perez
or
commissioner
Pettis
they're
not
being
held
subject
to
the
open
meetings,
act,
I,
think
they're,
still
they're
public
we're
we're
posting
them
publicly.
They
just
aren't
following
the
open
meetings
act
to
the
letter.
In
many
ways
they
still
are
we're
posting
an
agenda,
we're
announcing
it
at
least
70
charts
in
advance.
Those
are
all
still
required
by
by
City
resolution.
B
Those
meetings
are
not
currently
governed
by
the
open
meetings
act
if
it's
an
advisory
committee
and
many
of
our
committees
and
boards
are
advisory
in
nature.
There's
a
few
like
the
Planning
Commission,
the
historic
review
board
or
districts
review
board
and
then
certain
other
Grant
making
committees
that
would
be
held
to
the
open
meetings
Act
without
the
city's
additional
protections
that
the
city's
put
into
place.
B
And
then
the
city
does
a
lot
of
things
that
aren't
required
under
open
meetings,
act
like
YouTube,
Comcast
for
or
cable
for
city
government
for
governing
body
meetings
and
and
the
radio
for
governing
body
means
and
those
types
of
things.
Those
are
all
extra
things
the
city
does,
but
no
so
they're
not
subject
to
the
those
virtual
meetings
are
not
compliant
with
the
open
meetings,
act
and.
B
Chair
along
commissioner
Pettus,
it
would
actually
require
a
change
to
the
state's
open
meetings
act.
Okay,
if
if,
but
there
is
we,
we
can't
change,
open
means,
act
and-
and
so
we've
only
allowed
advisory
committees
to
do
the
100
virtual
meetings,
because
we
do
have
control
over
advisory
committees.
Parameters
which
is
one
so
it'd,
be
something
to
think
about.
B
Do
we
want
to
place
that
control
outside
the
city
by
by
subjecting
meetings
that
wouldn't
otherwise
be
subject
to
the
open
meetings,
act
to
the
open
meetings,
act
under
the
charter
and
and
we
have
started
to
experiment
with
with
tweaks
at
the
local
level,
including
the
100
virtual,
so
that
would
not
be
permitted
with
that
change
to
the
Charter.
H
Thank
you,
Aaron
I,
think,
what's
coming,
to
my
mind,
is
in
these
years
of
covert
and
everything
else
where
we've
done
so
much
virtually
I
think
it
would
behoove
us
all
to
have
those
all
virtual
meetings,
also
subject
to
the
open
meeting
just
to
you
know,
keep
up
with
technology
and
the
way
that
things
are
moving
and
and
making
sure
that
we're
allowing
the
public
to
attend
all
these
meeting.
A
Well,
but
at
this
point
the
problem
with
that
is
that
virtual
meetings
are
not
allowed
under
the
open
meetings
act
unless
it's
unless
the
whole
body
for
that
particular
meeting,
found
it
difficult
or
impossible
to
attend.
That's
the
real
problem
with
virtual
meetings
and
maybe
someday
that
will
change,
but
that's
the
problem,
that's
the
state
law.
That's
the
problem
is
that
to
attend
all
virtually
and
that's
why
you
know
we
can
because
we're
advisory,
and
so
we
can.
A
We
can
have
a
virtual
meeting,
but
otherwise
you
can't
and
and
it's
I
think
it's
been
difficult
for
a
lot
of
public
bodies,
because
people
got
used
to
that
pattern
of
being
able
to-
and
you
know
they
didn't
have
to
travel
anymore.
They
didn't
have
to
find
parking.
A
The
public
was
able
to
participate
easier,
although
they've
still
kept
that
on
for
a
lot
of
city
meetings
for
the
public
attendance,
but
for
the
you
know,
everyone
else
can
attend
virtually,
but
the
members
cannot
unless
it's
difficult
or
impossible,
that's
the
problem
and
we
need
a
change
in
the
state.
Open
meetings
act,
that's
what
we
need.
Yeah.
Okay,
commissioner,
Ives.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
you've
suggested
an
interpretation
of
that
statute.
That
I,
honestly
was
unfamiliar
with
was,
which
was
that
the
difficult
or
impossible
had
to
relate
to.
Presumably
everybody
who
was
on
the
border
Commission
in
terms
of
being
able
to
hold
a
virtual
meeting,
I
always
thought
it
was.
It
would
apply
to
a
variety
of
members.
G
So,
for
instance,
if
you
had
a
102
year
old
gentleman
who
lived
in
Las
Cruces,
who
was
on
a
a
board
of
a
state
agency
entity
that,
because
that
travel
was
certainly
nothing
if
not
difficult
and
certainly
might
have
been
impossible
at
times
that
the
attendance
by
that
person
virtually
was
accepted.
I.
A
What
I
was
saying
is
that
the
the
meeting
would
have
to
be
noticed
in
person
for
everyone,
and
if
there
are
certain
members
that
the
example
you
gave,
certainly
it
would
be
difficult
or
impossible
for
him
to
attend
every
meeting
that
they
had,
unless
maybe
there
was
one
in
Las
Cruces
and
then
when
he
could
get
there.
But
it
would
probably
look
odd
if
every
single
member
said
it's
difficult
or
impossible
for
me
to
attend,
and
you
know
it's
all
virtual.
G
Because
and
obviously
much
of
that
was
effectively
suspended
during
covid
when
Public
Health
orders
prevented
the
meetings
from
occurring,
but
the
law
still
required
meetings
to
take
place
so
I
think
it
would
be
fine
to
add
a
provision
that
covered
you
know
if
people
have
a
difficult
or
impossible
time
to
have
hybrid
meetings
and
I
think
that
would
be
within
not
only
the
state
law
but
also
prudently
within
the
cities.
B
Chair
long
councilor,
I
absolutely
agree
with
what
you're
saying
what
it
would
not
allow
is
the
100
virtual
by
by
vote
of
the
commission,
which
is
so.
We
have
a
couple
of
those
opportunities
on
our
calendar
today
on
your
agenda
to
vote
to
have
a
100
virtual
meeting,
because
the
chambers
are
only
available
during
limited
times
in
the
next
12
days.
B
That
would
not
be
an
option:
Under
The
Proposal.
That's
my
primary
point.
B
F
F
Advisory,
thank
you.
So
Madam
chair,
the
the
and
I
just
reread
the
language
again.
There's
the
commissioner
eyes
had
so
the
language
is
written
could
be
forwarded,
and
then
we
could
allow
the
counselors
to
determine
how
so
that
we
show
them
the
intent
or
intent
and
and
the
counselors.
F
It
accordingly,
but
it's
a
very
basic
statement
that
says
it
shall
apply
to
advisory
committees
and
then
that
way
they
know
where
we
stand
in
terms
of
our
thought
process,
and
that
was
one
of
the
recommendations
that
I
have
one
of
our
public
members.
So
I,
don't
remember
with
the
with
moving
that
forward.
I
think
it
makes
sense,
counties
and
school
districts
and
cities
are
all
dealing
with
that
and
have
been
dealing
with
that
as
as
we
speak,
so
I
think
it's
the
good
best
practice.
C
G
A
proposal
was
submitted
that
reads
as
follows:
recognizing
the
importance
to
the
Santa
Fe
Community
of
procedural
due
process
of
law,
a
quasi,
sorry
and
I-
may
have
cut
off
some
of
this.
Unfortunately,
this
was
submitted
by
Mr
throne.
E
I
E
G
Thank
you
starting
again,
recognizing
the
importance
to
the
Santa
Fe
Community
of
procedural,
due
process
of
law
and
fairness
in
proceedings
addressing
land
use
and
other
matters
that
require
City
decision
makers
to
act
in
a
quasi-judicial
manner.
G
The
city
shall
adopt
procedural
rules
that
ensure
that
all
quasi-judicial
proceedings,
conducted
by
the
governing
body
and
City
commissions
and
Boards
adhere
to
established
principles
of
procedural
due
process
of
the
law
and
fundamental
fairness
and
apply
these
principles
in
an
impartial
manner
to
applicants
and
members
of
the
community
who
participate
in
those
proceedings
so
would
certainly
propose.
We
take
that
up
as
a
topic.
I
think
I
hope.
The
other
Commissioners
on
my
committee
will
speak
up
if
I'm
speaking
out
of
turn.
A
I
think
this
was
this
is
already
a
topic
that
was
assigned
to
your
committee,
commissioner
Dyrdek,
but
has
been
I,
think
restated
in
this
way,
so
I.
If
your
committee
could
look
at
that
language,
because
I
think
it's
already
a
topic
that
that
we
voted
on
right,
I'll.
I
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
to
all
of
us
if
we
noticed
that
this
attempt
at
writing
accomplishes
a
lot
that
the
earlier
version,
which
we
also
received
from
some
people
in
the
community
did
not
and
so
I
guess
what
I
can
imagine
in
the
governance
committee
is
that
we
would
substitute
the
thumb
proposal
or
the
Johnson
proposal
in
that
item
and
then
react
to
it,
maybe
even
differently,
because
it's
it's
just
it.
I
It
approaches
the
matter
from
a
from
a
charter
perspective
more
cleanly
seemed
to
me
when
I
read
it,
and
so
maybe
this
gives
us
an
opportunity.
F
Chair,
yes,
there
was,
there
was
another
individual
that
that
sent
a
extensive
email
regarding
ranked
Choice
voting.
F
I
mean
everyone
saw
that,
and
there
was
also
and
then
is
in
his
email.
He
references,
Mr
Milan's
newspaper
column
just
recently
regarding
this
I've
been
a
lifelong
resident
of
New.
Mexico
I
lived
in
Santa
Fe
county,
the
majority
of
my
life
and
just
came
into
the
city
after
right.
Voice
voting,
so
I
wasn't
around
when
all
of
the
conversations
were
held,
but
so
regardless
I'm
not
that
familiar
with
with
the
the
political.
F
But
I
understand
it
was
quite
robust,
but
his
suggestion
is
is
that
we
look
at
it
again
and
and
send
that
recommendation
to
the
counselors
I'm
just
putting
that
out
there
I'm
hoping
that
you
all
got
the
the
email
and
saw
that
I
mean
his.
F
His
explanation
speaks
for
itself,
and
so
I
would
just
put
that
out
there
I
guess
you
would
need
a
motion,
mad
I'm
sure,
to
put
that
as
to
vote
on
whether
we
want
to
look
at
that
and
send
a
recommendation
to
the
counselor
or
not
and
if
that's
what's
needed,
I
move
that
we
include
rank
voice,
rank
Choice
voting
as
one
of
the
items
to
forward
a
recommendation.
Suggestion
to
the
city
council.
A
Yes,
my
thought
on
that
and
I
I
did
see.
The
comment
commissioner
Ortiz
and
I
did
I
did
read
the
the
column.
Is
that
our
ranked
Choice
voting
is
fairly
new
for
the
city.
A
A
Yes,
commissioner,
Pettis.
H
Thank
you
chair,
so
my
thoughts
on
this
are
similar
to
yours,
but
also
I
just
want
to
remind
my
colleagues
that
when
the
you
know
previous
iteration
of
this
Charter
review,
Commission
made
this
recommendation
to
the
council.
The
council
put
it
on
the
ballot
and
two-thirds
of
the
voters
of
Santa
Fe
voted
to
approve
this.
So
I
think
that
calling
for
the
commission
to
reconsider.
We
need
to
keep
in
mind
also
that
two-thirds
of
the
voters
did
vote
to
approve
this
a
way
of
voting,
and
we
got.
H
We
have
to
honor
that
so
other
than
the
point
that
you
bring
up
chair
that
you
know,
we've
only
had
this
for
a
couple
of
Cycles
I
think
we
also
need
to
just
make
sure
that
we
honor
the
will
of
the
voters
on
this
issue.
Thank.
D
That
was
exactly
chair
long
night,
Point
I
think
we've
had
this
discussion
in
the
past
regarding
other
topics
that
the
voters
voice
is
the
largest
voice,
and
we
need
to
honor
that
when
the
people
have
voted
so
they
had
an
opportunity
to
review
the
concept
if
they
chose
to
and
to
vote
and
as
Maria
said,
counselor
Pettis
said
that
was
a
large
majority
of
the
voters
that
made
that
decision
so
I'm
not
sure
we
can
yank
that
back
very
easily
or
appropriately.
Thank
you.
I
May
I
be
so
bold
as
to
add
another
part
of
this
discussion.
I
read
the
appeal,
as
commissioner
Ortiz
also
and
I
read
it
the
whole
thing.
It
was
long
this
this
correspondent
writes
to
us
and
writes
them,
writes
them
about
as
long
as
I
write
things
so
I'm
sympathetic,
but
it
seemed
to
me
that
he
cited
examples
and
those
examples.
I
What
happened
in
Minneapolis
and
what
happened
in
Santa
Fe
were
as
different
as
night
and
day
and
so
I
get
the
the
academic
discussion
about
ranked
Choice
voting
as
a
theory,
but
I
was
troubled
to
apply
the
theoretical
com,
the
theoretical
argument
against
it
to
our
actual
experience
in
two
cases.
That's
that's
what
just
didn't
connect
for
me
at
all.
H
Thank
you
chair,
one
more
quick
point,
which
is
given
our
recommendation
around
a
ballot
initiative
right
and
refrenda.
If,
if
that
recommendation,
moves
forward
and
the
voters
of
Santa
Fe
choose
the
site
that
it
actually
is
not
something
that's
working
for
them,
then
they
should
make
that
decision
and
put
something
on
the
ballot
and
and
and
have
a
recall
campaign.
If
you
will
but
I
think
that
we
it's
just
important
to
honor,
that
the
way
that
people
voted.
A
Any
other
discussion
on
the
motion
and
those
in
favor
of
the
motion,
and
they
have
you,
raise
your
hands
of
the
motion
to
place
ranked
Choice
voting
as
a
topic.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
so
you're
voting
in
favor
of
it
as
well.
Commissioner
grigno,
okay,
commissioner
Miss
Martin
commissioner
granillo
and
Commissioners,
and
commissioner
Ortiz
vote
in
favor
of
the
motion
and
those
against.
Please
also
raise
your
hand,
and
that
would
be
the
remainder
of
the
commissioners.
A
Fails.
Thank
you.
Okay,
any
other
topics.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
letting
us
discuss
that.
Okay,
all
right!
Let's
talk
about
our
meetings,
our
upcoming
meetings
in
our
crunch
time,
so
I
know
you
all
responded
to
a
poll
that
Aaron
sent
around,
and
this
would
be
the
meeting
where
we
will
vote
on
our
topics.
Right.
A
That
you
let
you
get
up,
thank
you.
So
it
looks
like.
B
E
C
Madam
chair:
yes,
not
that
it
matters
so
much
because
I
can
get
this
on
YouTube,
but
I
would
not
be
able
to
attend
on
Zoom
or
in
person
at
that
time.
Okay,.
A
A
We'll
work
that
out
so
may
third
in
person
here
at
3,
P.M
and
I,
think
you
know
if
we
can
work
to
get
word
on
our
website.
I
like
how
it
showed
up
on
on
the
city's
sort
of
homepage.
I
guess
you
would
call
it
as
a
banner,
and
that
may
be
indicating
that
the
the
commission
will
be
voting
on
recommendations
to
the
council
at
that
meeting,
and
hopefully
that
will
get
some
some
turnout
and
that
we
get
comments
in
the
meantime
as
well
and.
A
B
It's
correct
your
long.
If
you
want
to
do
one
on
the
ninth,
we
can
put
that
on
your
May
3rd
agenda
as
we
had
the
options
of
May
3rd
and
May
8th
on
today's
agenda
and
that's
the
only
type
of
meeting
you
need
this
type
of
a
vote
for,
and
it
is
because
of
that
specific
provision
about
virtual
meetings.
Yes,.
A
G
Jerry
I
too,
will
be
totally
out
of
pocket
on
the
ninth,
but
the
eighth
would
work
fine.
F
H
I'm
I'm
unavailable
sort
of
like
this
time
frame
on
the
eighth
like
today
to.
I
The
ninth
early
is
better
than
late.
A
The
eighth
is
fine
for
me.
Okay
looks
like
we're
honing
in
on
the
eighth,
so
we'd,
like
commissioner
Ives
to
be
there,
and
commissioner
blondes
has
some
plans
two
on
the
ninth.
So
if
we
could
do
the
eighth
and
it
needs
to
be
before
five.
B
A
A
Yep,
okay,
yeah:
let's
go
ahead
and
do
that
should
we
settle
on
a
time,
then
everyone,
let's
do
that
on
the
eighth
I
guess
I
would
we're
gonna
be
scurrying
around
getting
that
report
done
and
out
to
you
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
be
voting
on
so
I
would
suggest
the
afternoon,
but
it
needs
to
be
before
five.
So
what
time
in
the
afternoon,
would
people
prefer
any
any
okay?
A
A
F
F
A
Commissioner
Ortiz
has
made
that
motion.
Is
there
a
second
commissioner
blondes
against
the
motion?
All
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
aye,
aye,
okay,
so
we'll
have
that
second
meeting.
Then,
if
we
need
to
do
something
else,
we'll
do
it
at
our
next
meeting
so
hard
to
believe
it's
May.
But
we
will
see
everyone
on
May
3rd
sure.
F
Yes,
on
that
meeting
on
May
8th,
you
mentioned
a
report.
Will
we
be
voting
item
by
item
for
approval
off
of
the
report,
or
are
you?
F
What
were
you
thinking
in
terms
of,
and
the
reason
I
ask
is
because
there
are
some
elements
that
that
we
might
need
additional
conversation
or
not
to
all
support
and
I
think
it
would
be
useful
if
this
commission
considered
voting
on
each
item
individually
through
a
roll
call
vote
and
that
way
it's
clean
and
it's
on
the
record
as
to
what
level
of
support
each
item
receives,
and
so
I
would
just
ask
the
commission
to
consider
that
roll
call
vote
item
by
item
and
fail
through
it
allowing.
A
Yes-
and
that
is
what
we
we
will
be
doing
on
May
3rd,
going
through
item
by
item.
The
report
will
contain
the
items
that
have
been
approved
for
recommendation
to
the
council,
so
those
will
go
into
the
report
and
you'll
just
be
approving
the
report
on
May
8th.
The
voting
on
the
items
will
take
place
on
May
3rd.
F
So
then
we
really
are
not
allowing
another
meeting
for
people
to
give
us
comment.
If
we're
voting
on
May
3rd
yeah
is
everybody
on
my
third?
If
we're
getting
comments,
it's
a
little
late
to
consider
their
comments.
If
we
were
voting
that
day,
I'm
just
trying.
A
F
B
Chair
along
Commissioners,
the
resolution
does
not
set
consequences
for
you
all
you'll
be
happy.
My
prosecutor
will
not
be
filing
charges.
B
It
is
due
on
May
10th
that
I
think
the
considerations
behind
that
that
timeline
are
so
that,
after
that,
the
council
members
will
have
the
opportunity
to
introduce
resolutions
to
put
the
proposals
on
the
ballot
for
November,
because
they
also
will
want
to
be
able
to
discuss
any
of
your
proposals
and
they
will
need
to
introduce
legislation,
send
it
to
committees,
make
a
decision
and
then
educate
the
public
about
what's
on
the
ballot
and
get
it
to
the
county.
B
E
B
It
chairline
Commissioners,
the
public,
will
certainly
have
the
opportunity
through
petitions
from
the
floor,
there's
not
an
automatic
public
hearing
for
resolution,
which
I
believe
is
what
would
be
adopted
to
put
something
on
the
ballot,
but
there's.
Certainly,
this
is
not
a
quasi-judicial
matter.
There
are
no
limitations
on
Communications
from
the
public,
and
the
public
does
frequently
contact
their
representatives
and
frequently
attends
meetings
about
all
different
topics,
whether
or
not
they're
on
the
agenda.
But
this
will
be
on
the
agenda.
It
will
not
have
a
public
hearing
necessarily
because
it
will
be
a
resolution.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
was
just
going
to
say
my
understanding
is
the
city
council
does
meet
on
May
10th,
and
so,
if
it
were
impossible
for
the
commission
to
finish
its
work
by
that
point
in
time,
we
could
certainly
ask
that
that
be
an
agenda
item
at
the
meeting
seeking
whatever
extension
like
we
feel,
might
be
necessary.
So
one
could
solve
that
procedural
issue,
presumably
in
that
manner
beyond
that,
it's
asking
for
forgiveness
rather
than
permission.
B
And
chairline
Commissioners
I
would
just
suggest
that
if
you're
going
to
make
that
type
of
request
earlier
would
be
great
because
May
10th
will.
If,
in
order
to
change
that
date,
it
would
need
to
introduce
the
legislation
which
no
one
has
done
yet
and
then
earliest
they
would
be
able
to
do.
That
would
be
the
end
of
May,
I
believe
on
the
31st
of
May.
That's
the
next
council
meeting
after
the
10th.
A
H
Chair
I'm
I
just
have
a
question
about
our
May
3rd
meeting,
so
we're
going
to
be
hopefully
hearing
from
the
public
and
we'll
have
some
comment
that
comes
in
before
then
via
the
website.
Right,
so
is
it
possible
for
us
if
the
if
the
commission
seems
it
necessary
to
break
into
our
subcommittees
during
that
whole
commission
meeting
to
address
some
of
the
public
comments
related
to
our
topics
first
subcommittee,
or
is
that
a
no
no.
I
A
small
one,
I
I,
think
all
of
us
are
feeling
the
discomfort
of
having
had
a
fewer
months
than
it
would
take
to
do
this,
but
as
uncomfortable
as
we
may
be.
I
would
urge
us
to
pay
attention
to
the
amendment
to
article
10
that
the
committee
has
been
recommending
and
anyone
who
expresses
that
dismay
that
our
work
has
been
rushed
and
there
has
not
been
enough.
I
I
So
I
I
get
the
point
and
I
share
it
and
I'm
grateful
to
commissioner
Ives
committee
and
the
four
of
you
on
that
committee,
who
have
taken
it
straight
on
and
have
put
matters
before
the
entire
community
and
saying
that
we're
going
to
do
it
this
way
again
and
here's.
Why
and
how?
I
B
B
B
I
If
there's
an
elegant
way
to
do
that,
so
that
it
it's
clear
to
people
who
are
concerned
about
and
are
reading
it,
that
the
subcommittee
is
going
to
look
at
two
different
ways
of
approaching
it,
the
way
we
already
have
and
an
alternative
that's
been
proposed.
B
B
I
think
it
has
been
challenging
to
find
a
way
to
express
all
of
these
ideas
to
the
public
in
a
way
that's
easy
to
provide
feedback.
We
went
through
various
iterations
of
the
web
page.
Some
of
you
have
seen
them,
but
I
think
the
version
now
is
is
easier
to
follow
and
and
I
don't
want
to
make
it
less
easy.
If
we're
going
to
add
things.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
then
I
want
to
say.
I
will
be
out
of
town
next
week,
but
Marcos
and
Pat
will
both
be
in.
E
The
office
and
I
believe
Marcy
is
here
too
so.
B
I'll
have
an
out
of
office,
but
please
work
with
them.
If
you
need
anything,
I'll
be
working
with
them
on
the
agenda
for
next
Wednesday,
we'll
need
to
post
that
tomorrow.
B
F
Fine
question
I
think
Mr
Pettis
had
a
really
good
suggestion
in
terms
of
on
the
main
on
May
3rd.
If
we
had
some
comments
that
we
got
at
the
last
minute
that
were
relevant
to
how
we
were
moving
forward,
that
we
might
be
able
to
break
up
in
committees,
that
meeting
is
set
for
three
and
I
understood
that
there
was
a
I
had
to
finish
by
five.
F
C
I,
do
the
minutes
for
quality
of
life
and
I
and
I
have
it
on
my
schedule
as.
B
H
Thought
and
I
don't
know
if
this
would
be
possible,
but
if
we
oh
no
I,
don't
think
that'll
work
because
I
was
going
to
say
we
could
break
into
our
subcommittees
at
five
and
just
go
to
a
different
firm
in
the
building.
But
we
have
to
take
a
vote
on
the
item.
B
B
Okay,
chair
along
Commissioners,
it
looks
like
the
only
thing
earlier
that
day,
that's
actually
the
counselor's.
B
I
So
let's
be
expansive
about
it
and
starting
to
be
here
all
day,
an
awful
lot
earlier
and
then
get
done
early
when
we're
done.
But
at
least
we
would
have
the
flexibility
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.