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okay:
it's
commissioner,
Pettis
has
made
the
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
and
has
been
seconded
by
commissioner
Ives.
Is
there
any
discussion,
if
not
all
those
in
favor,
please
say
aye
aye
aye,
any
opposed
the
agenda
has
been
approved.
Next
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
last
meeting
of
April
27
2023.
G
G
D
G
Was
me,
that's
the
only
the
correction
that
I
saw
Madam
chair
thank.
B
B
E
B
H
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
and
thank
you
for
your
work,
my
name
is
Frank
Montano
I
was
a
city
councilor
from
1990
through
2002,
so
I
served
three
terms
as
a
city.
Councilor
I
also
served
two
years,
or
rather
eight
years
is
a
school
board.
Member
from.
I
H
and
really
I'm
here
to
address
a
couple
of
issues,
I
do
want
to
give
a
little
background.
As
I
mentioned.
I
did
serve
on
the
city
council
for
12
years
and
during
the
12-year
period
we
had
a
city
manager,
mayor
council
type
government.
They
worked
very
well.
We
had
no
assistant
managers,
we
had
no
Chiefs
of
Staff.
We
had
no
heavy
top
heavy
Administration.
H
We
just
had
a
professional
city
manager,
professional
department,
heads
and
it
worked
quite
well.
I
can
tell
you
that
during
the
12
years
that
I
was
on
the
city
council,
we
created
a
a
truck
ban
ordinance.
We
rewrote
the
general
plan,
we
created
a
golf
course.
We
created
a
premier
recreational
center
out
on
the
south
side
of
Santa
Fe
created
child
care.
H
We
created
a
new
highway
on
the
west
side
of
the
city
so
that
nuclear
waste
could
be
transported
going
through
the
city
streets.
We
created
rufina
Street.
We
had
a
bond
program
in
regularly
repaved
on
a
regular
basis.
We
handed
in
our
audit
on
time
and
the
audits
we
did
have
had
no
more
than
one
or
two
findings
at
the
most.
We
did
that
the
professional
city
manager
we
had
nine
folks
time.
H
The
mayor
had
no
no
opportunity
to
vote
other
than
to
break
ties,
and
we
had
various
types
of
personalities,
people
with
varying
top
types
of
philosophical,
takes
on
various
types
of
issues,
and
one
thing
that
we
did
provide
and
provided
quite
well.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it's
still
providing
affordable
housing
right
now
is
the
Tara
housing
development
project.
H
A
project
initially
got
off
the
ground
because
we
had
a
lobbyist
in
Washington
DC,
who
got
us
money
for
sewer
lines
and
water
Alliance,
so
that
the
development
itself
would
not
have
to
provide
or
those
kinds
of
amenities,
and
so
that
we
were
able
to
lower
the
price
of
housing
for
people
to
afford.
In
this.
H
It's
still
a
development,
that's
out
there
that
is
continuing
to
provide
affordable
housing
and,
quite
frankly,
perhaps
the
current
day.
H
City
councilor
ought
to
follow
that
model
at
any
rate,
I'm
here
to
ask
you
and
I
think
I'm
a
little
too
late,
because
I
think
by
now,
whatever
you've
discussed
to
this
point
to
understand,
you
have
one
more
meetings,
it'll
be
a
meeting
other
than
this
one,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
pretty
much
today,
you're
going
to
vote
on
what
you've
already
discussed
for
how
how
long
you've
been
at
this-
and
it's
probably
pretty
much.
H
What
you're
going
to
do
this
afternoon
is
a
foregone
conclusion,
but
I
do
want
to
mention
that
I
do
think
that
this
full-time
mayor
form
of
government
that
was
adopted
during
the
last
City
Charter
I
did
not
vote
for
that
City
Charter.
Because
of
that
it
was
a
huge
mistake.
H
We
do
not
need
politicians
running
the
city.
We
need
a
professional
city
manager,
a
professional
department,
heads
people
who
are
trained
in
the
positions
that
they
take
up,
who
have
experience
in
those
positions
that
they
take.
We
don't
need
someone
who
has
never
run
a
city,
be
the
Chief
Executive
Officer
of
a
city.
You
need
professional
people
who
know
what
they
do
know.
What
they're
talking
about.
The
reason
why
a
city
manager,
mayor
council
form
of
government
worked
so
well
was
because
we
had
nine
individuals
who
created
policy
made
decisions
of
What
kinds
of
projects.
H
The
city
ought
to
approve
made
sure
that
we
were
on
top
of
our
management,
making
them
understand
that
we
had
to
have
balanced
budgets
and
that
we
had
to
have
audits
that
were
returned
on
time
and
with
his
views.
Findings
as
you
possibly
could,
and
that
we
needed
to
provide
for
the
community
the
amenities
that
they
wanted.
We
purchased
a
rail
yard,
22
acres
and
look
at
it
today.
H
It's
a
thriving
part
of
the
town
and
it
didn't
take
as
long
as
it's
taken
to
develop
what
was
formerly,
the
college
is
Santa
Fe
to
develop.
We
actually
put
together
a
committee
of
citizens
who
decided
what
they
wanted
or
that
part
of
town
pursued
it
adopted
by
the
city
council.
H
Unfortunately,
the
powers
that
be
that
came
after
did
not
pursue
that
at
any
rate,
that
is
one
thing
that
I
think
you
ought
to
consider
is
going
back
to
a
city
manager,
mayor
council,
form
of
government
and
that
professionals
run
the
city
and
not
one
single
politician.
H
Not
working
and
now
I
understand
you,
you
want
to
give
them
a
veto
power.
That's
even
worse
hope.
You
don't
do
that.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
address
is
the
the
voting
system
that
we
have
at
this
point
in
time.
I
was
on
the
charter.
Commission
that
did
approve
I
personally
did
not
vote
for
it,
but
did
approve
this
this.
This
voting
apparatus
that
we
have
at
this
point
where
you
choose
to
vote
for
several
several
folks.
H
With
your
number
two
vote
getting
kicked
in
after
one
other
person
got
knocked
out.
It's
a
very
confusing
type
of
of.
I
H
I
J
H
What
good
government
is
not
cheap?
It
takes
money
to
run
a
good
government
and
Santa
Fe,
fortunately,
has
been
blessed
with
the
tourism
industry
that
we
have
and
under
other
industries
that
we
also
have
that
have
made
it
possible
for
this
community
to
gain
the
taxes
that
it
gains
in
order
to
do
the
things
that
it
needs
to
be
done.
But
it
seems
to
me
that
if
we
had
a
runoff
system,
we'd
have
a
really
good
opportunity
at
electing
people.
We
thought
could
do
a
good
job
in
the
current
form
that
you
have.
H
You
have
folks
that
really,
you
know
don't
debate
each
other,
it's
sort
of
just
like
yeah.
You
know
I
want
to
get
your
second
vote.
If
I
don't
get
the
first
vote,
so
I'm
not
going
to
say
much
to
offend
folks
in
various
different
beliefs
or
saying
something
against
one
of
the
other
candidates
like
you're.
I
H
That's
one
reason:
we
have
more
of
a
real,
robust
debate
among
candidates
who
actually
ran
if
you
had
a
runoff
system
and
runoff
system
would
also
provide
for
us
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
from
candidates.
If
there
was
a
runoff,
there
was
a
runoff
for
mayor
as
an
example
we'd
get
another
month
month
and
a
half
with
it.
Whatever
time
it
was
deemed
necessary
to
put
together
a
runoff
election.
H
H
Some
folks,
not
all
folks
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
a
majority,
if
it's
a
minority
or
whatever,
pretty
much,
think
that
this
town
is
very
divided.
So
it's
probably
50
50
that
you
know
do
like
yeah
voting
system
we
have
now
and
50
don't
well.
Voting
is
an
important
thing.
We
ought
to
be
able
to
put
it
together,
a
voting
system
that
everyone
is
happy
with
not
just
half
of
the
town,
but
everyone
that's
right
and
I
think
that
you
ought
to
give
this
business
of
a
runoff
election
a
chance.
H
I
really
think
that
it
would
be
better
than
the
system.
We
have
right
now
right
now,
people
who
go
to
the
polls
and
don't
believe
in
that
system
believe
that
something
sneaky
is
going
on
now.
I
personally
am
sophisticated
enough
to
know
that.
That's
not
the
case,
but
there
are
many
folks
who
just
misunderstand:
don't
understand
how
it
works.
Don't
like
it,
and
you
had
to
have
a
voting
system
that
everybody
likes.
H
H
For
the
city,
perhaps
but
I
think
that
all
voters
of
the
city
ought
to
feel
confident
in
the
results
and
right
now,
I
know
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
and
although
it's
a
legitimate
voting
system,
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
distrust.
D
I
H
K
K
Stephanie
benonato
I
am
a
citizen
in
town.
I
am
an
attorney
mediator
and
a
historian
and
I
worked
for
the
planning
department
in
the
city
for
several
years.
I
do
have
also
some
comments
which
I
did
submit.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
that
it
was
somewhat
difficult
if
you
went
through
the
portal
site.
You
know
where
lists
the
agenda
for
the
meeting,
and
it
says
click
here
click
here.
K
Neither
of
those
worked
for
me
and
I
couldn't
really
get
to
I
tried
to
search
for
the
charter
commission
and
it
really
didn't
come
up,
I
really
just
I
had.
Finally,
the
city
clerk
sent
me
a
link
that
worked.
I
also
thought
it
was
confusing,
because
you
have
different
subject
headings
that
don't
correspond,
for
example
with
the
with
the
numbering
that
you
have
for
different
proposals,
and
you
know
somehow
I
thought
that
should
line
up
a
little
more
easily
and
in
terms
I
do
agree
with
Frank
Montagna.
K
That
I
don't
think
we
need
more
bureaucracy
of
any
kind.
I
was
opposed
to
the
strong
mayor
former
government,
because
I
thought
there
was
a
constitutional
problem
with
giving
the
mayor
both
a
legislative
and
an
executive
role
and
I
I
feel
like
there's
a
lot
of
duplication
and
redundancy
in
this
city.
K
At
this
point
with
you
know
four
or
five
layers
of
bureaucracy
managers,
and
we
need
people
who
are
actually
doing
work,
not
people
sitting
around
managing
people
and
really
the
city
hires,
a
manager
for
one
person,
so
they
hired
somebody
to
do
policy
anal
analysis
and
then
they
hired
a
manager
for
that
person.
That,
to
me,
is
you
know,
just
inefficient
and
again
a
needless
bureaucracy.
So
to
that
is
an
introduction
into
saying
that
I
am
not
in
support
of
an
office
of
diversity
and
inclusion.
K
I
think
that
we
have
other
and
or
the
Human
Rights
Commission
I
think
that
there
are
parameters
that
you
have
set
up
here
are
way
too
vague.
I
know
it's
a
charter,
but
still
it's
just
just
too
vague.
We
have
other
offices
created
that
have
really
not
not
much
real,
given
real
much
help
to
the
community
and
I.
Don't
know
if
this
office
will
just
be
another
Revenue
stream
for
non-profits
who
are
the
partners?
K
And
again,
if
the
ethics,
ordinance
and
board
is
any
indication,
I
think
that
the
Human
Rights
Commission
would
pretend
to
be
pretty
weak
and
have
very
limited
parameters
of
what
they
could
look
at
and
like,
for
example,
with
yet
and
I'll
just
say
with
the
ethics
commission
again,
it's
mostly
dealing
with
financial
improprieties,
but
I
think
it
also
should
very
clearly
it
does
in
the
in
the
in
the
Preamble
include
talk
about
integrity
of
City
officials
and
employees,
but
I
think
it
should
be
more
clearly
spelled
out
that
they
are
obliged
to
be
honest
with
the
public
and
that
the
appearance
of
conflict
of
interest
or
bias
is
enough
to
have
you
recuse
yourself.
K
That's
just
an
aside.
The
2.08
wording,
the
food,
the
one
about
agriculture,
the
way
it
is
worded.
It
seems
to
me
as
if
the
city
will
provide
the
food
in
a
sustainable
manner,
on
a
ongoing,
forever
kind
of
basis
and
I
wonder
if
they're,
this
kind
of
Proclamation
is
already
being
provided
through
funding
of
certain
non-profits,
so
I
think
there
are
ways
of
of
getting
sustainable
food
to
people
without
necessarily
having
everybody
have
a
any.
K
Just
say
that,
because
we
had
some
Urban
con
farming,
which
is
kind
of
a
semi-new
concept,
and
there
was
a
farm
off
the
rail
trail
between
what
was
near,
the
high
school
and
Chavez
Center,
and
it
really
I
felt
like
it
was
really
overusing
water
and
as
if
it
was
the
only
place
that
should
get
to
use
water
and
I
think
it'll
become
a
conflict
about
who
gets
to
use
water
or
we
start
using
a
lot
more
water
than
we
have
in
the
past.
We're
sort
of
again
it's
a
redundancy
of
duplication.
K
I
mean
it's
nice
having
green
things
grow
in
your
yard,
but
I
have
given
up
vegetables
because
exactly
when
I'm
going
to
harvest
them,
some
little
animal
that
I
never
see,
comes
and
eats
half
of
whatever
it
is.
I
was
going
to
harvest
so
for
me,
I
know:
I'm,
wasting
water
and
I've,
given
up
now
in
terms
of
the
charter
commission.
What
you
proposed
I
thought
it
was
totally
reasonable.
I
felt
like
the
whole
process
was
really
rushed
and
I
felt
like
it
would
be
much
more.
You
might
get
more
public
input.
K
If
again,
you
could
do
it
at
times
and
places
that
would
allow
different
segments
of
the
community
to
come,
but
also
we're
a
point
where
this
is
a
rough
draft
of
what
we're
going
to
present.
Have
we
left
anything
out?
Should
we
change
some
of
this?
Should
we
put
in
conflicting
or
comparative
ideas
for
the
city
council
could
make
a
decision
based
on
you
know
more
than
one
voice,
basically
and
I
really
think
that's
important
in
terms
of
the
legislative
branch.
I
think
you
need
to
Define
super
majority,
we're
having
a
problem.
I
K
Attorney
thinks
a
majority
of
four
is
two:
that
two
is
the
majority
of
four
excuse
me
and
so
I
would
say
something
like
three
quarters
of
the
entire
city
council,
when
you're
talking
about
super
majority
and
for
the
city
council
to
actually
set
their
own
salaries.
K
It's
again,
it
just
seems
to
her
self-serving
and
so
I'm
either
suggesting
that
the
independent
Gallery
review
commission
for
the
mayor
perhaps
sets
mayor
city,
council
and
even
judges,
salary
and
or
that
the
city
council
may
not
review
their
salaries
more
than
every
four
years,
not
at
least
every
four
years,
but
no
more
than
every
four
years
and
no
ordinance
setting
the
judges
and
city
council
salary
shall
exceed
the
average
increase
in
that
time
period
for
a
rank
and
file.
Ask
me
member.
K
I
wonder
if
the
mayor
should
have
to
give
a
written
reason
for
vetoes,
so
that
the
city
council
would
know
how
to
address
the
concern
that
might
be
raised
in
The
veto
and
I.
Think
at
the
end
of
that
sentence
about
the
veto
you,
you
should
insert
something
like
if
neither
action
is
taken,
that
is,
if
it's
oh
gosh
I've
forgotten,
either
adopted
or
vetoed.
So
if
neither
action
is
taken,
the
ordinance
becomes
law
after
30
days
after
its
adoption.
K
In
other
words,
it's
just
it's
just
putting
it
into
the
positive
I
know
it's
there,
but
again,
I
think
the
clearer
you
make
it
that
there
can
be
no
doubt
that
if
it,
if
it's
passed
and
after
30
days,
nothing
happens,
it's
not
vetoed
it's
not
passed
by
I
mean
the
mayor
doesn't
sign,
then
it
would
definitely
become
law
and
I.
Just
think
it
needs
to
be
like
in
a
way
positively
stated.
There.
K
I
didn't
realize
that
you
were
dropping
the
percentage
on
the
initiatives
and
referendums.
A
number
of
signatures.
I
think
that's
really
good.
I
think
a
third
is
really
not
attainable.
I
would
actually
go
to
ten
percent,
but
you
know
that
would
just
be
me,
I'm,
happy
or
not,
advocating
for
a
full-time,
Council
I'm
unhappy
that
you
are
advocating
for
eight
new
staff.
Members
I
have
heard
the
City
Council
debate.
This
issue
and
what
it
sounded
like
is
that
you
know
again:
we
have
a
policy
analyst.
K
A
policy
analyst
is
not
analyzing
policy,
except
when
legislatures
in
session
they
can
do
research
on
policy
for
the
council
so
having
to
need
need
policy
research.
We
already
have
people
in
place
to
do
that.
There's
probably
people
in
land
use
or
reports
from
Consultants
Etc
that
can
be
used,
but
what
I
really
heard
is
that
they
need
help
because
they're
always
running
and
they
have
to
schedule
all
these
meetings
with
their
constituents
and
they
need
help
doing
that.
That
to
me
sounds
like
campaigning.
K
I
don't
want
to
have
a
I
do
not
want
to
have
career
counselors.
This
was
supposed
to
be
a
a
public
service
position.
Yes,
you
should
be
paid
more
than
four
thousand
dollars,
which
is
what
Karen
heldmeyer
got
when
she
was
City
councilor
per
year.
But
you
know
it
shouldn't,
be
a
career
path
and
and
that's
what
I
think
having
this
staff,
this
support
staff
actually
does,
and
so
I'm
really
concerned
about
that
and
I
I
think
it's
already.
K
So
I
would
really
urge
you
to
rethink
that,
although,
as
Frank
Montagna
said
probably
a
little
late
in
terms
of
the
statement
on
quasi-judicial
process,
I
realized
that
people
were
really
upset
about
the
Old,
Pecos
Trail
decision
and
process.
But
I.
Don't
think
that
they
really
understand
that
public
participants
really
are
not
guaranteed
the
kind
of
participation
that
a
party
is
that
the
applicant
or
in
the
case
of
an
appeal.
If
it
was
a
public
member,
that
member
then
would
become
a
party
and
they
should
have
full
due
process
rights.
K
As
a
party
I
would
like
to
see
city
council
or
the
mayor.
Now
we
could
say:
city,
council
I'm,
so
happy
that
you
have
made
that
separation,
but
that
they
should
give
people
like
say
four
minutes
and
be
able
to
cede
your
time
and
that
applicants
should
be
limited
to
15
minutes
because
they've
already,
given
you
the
packet,
the
you
know,
the
body
whoever
is
looking
at.
It
should
be
looking
at
that
packet
and
just
use
questions
and
and
not
have
this
long
presentation,
sales
pitch.
K
That
goes
on
so
I
think
I,
think
and
I
think
also
case
law
defines
this
kind
of
due
process
like
what
is
what
is
due
process
for
a
party
in
an
administrative
hearing
and
what
is
due
process
for
Witnesses
I.
Think
bodies
like
Council
and
you
know
other
boards
do
forget
to
acknowledge
the
positions
of
the
public
participants
and
say
why
they
are
or
not
taking
those
positions
and
that
actually
is
required
under
administrative
law.
K
As
I
said,
I,
like
the
separation
of
the
mayor's
role
and
I.
Think
now
the
mayor
can
have
a
a
salary
cut
because
he
has
less
responsibilities.
K
I,
like
that,
you
have
clearly
defined
the
city
manager
as
a
chief
operating
officer
as
opposed
to
Administrative,
Office
and
I.
Do,
however,
think
that
there
are
several
streams
the
city
already
has
about
giving
out
information.
So
what
I
would
like
to
see
in
the
city
manager
is
not
So,
Much
Information
being
distributed,
but
transparency
and
accessibility
both
to
the
city
manager
and
staff
and
the
last
city
manager.
That
really
did
that
was
Galen.
K
Bueller
Galen
Bueller
satisfied
time
to
have
regular
people
not
highly
placed
people,
not
donors,
but
just
normal
people
and
talk
to
him.
And
yes,
she
couldn't
come
every
week,
but
he
would
you
know,
talk
to
you
for
in
for
15
20
minutes
a
half
hour
and
you
felt
heard
and
again
even
having
access
to
department
managers
might
do
that
as
well
and
I
would
certainly
like
the
city
manager
to
pay
attention
to
the
challenges
within
the
Departments
and
actually
address
them.
K
So
you
know
again
if
the
city
manager
is
being
sent
an
email
about
something
that's
happening
in
a
department.
Maybe
that
person
shouldn't
think.
Oh
well,
that's
you
know
the
Department's
responsibility.
He
is
he
or
she
or
they
are
the
head
of
that
of
the
city
and
and
need
to
pay
attention
to
see
if
those
complaints
or
types
of
complaints
are
coming
in
on
a
regular
basis.
K
Okay,
so
I
think
that's
all
I
had
to
say
thank
you
for
listening.
I
did
put
it
in
writing.
I.
Do
appreciate
your
time
and
I
know
that
I
I,
don't
think
that
you
really
had
enough
time
or
maybe
input
to
really
fully
consider
some
of
these
issues,
but
again
I.
Do.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
your
comments
you
submitted
on
our
on
the
portal
too.
We
did
get
those.
M
Madam,
chair
Commissioners,
thank
you
very
much
for
serving
on
this
commission
and
for
having
all
this
work
into
a
very
compressed
time
period.
It's
a
lot
of
work
that
you
have
done
looking
at
what
you
have
in
a
compiled
and
gone
through
a
great
job.
Thank
you
on
behalf
of
our
community.
Thank
you
for
doing
this.
My
name
is
Juan
Blair
I
am
a
resident
in
District
Four
in
the
navadi
subdivision.
M
Haramio
was
the
mayor
also
under
mayor
cost,
and
most
recently
under
the
Weber
Administration
I
served
under
the
web
Administration
until
November
of
2020.,
so
I
have
experienced
directly
after
both
the
round
level
operational
level,
as
well
as
at
the
decision-making
level
and
so
I'm
here
today,
and
also
I'm
currently
serving
on
the
schools
of
Santa,
Fe
Public
Schools
audit
committee,
as
well
as
the
diversity
committee
and
so
I'm
here
to
talk
about
three
things
and
three
comments:
item
e,
which
is
the
separation
of
the
mayor's
duties
and
Powers
the
charter,
adding
the
financial
management
section,
as
well
as
the
referendum
and
recall
numbers
so
quickly,
I,
really
don't
think
that
it
works
I'm
having
served
under
the
city
and
the
way
that
I
have
I
do
not
believe
that
a
strong
mayor
who
has
both
executive
powers
and
legislative
powers
works.
M
M
The
way
that
the
mayor
wants
to
vote
and
there's
really
no
recourse
or
anything
to
discern
that
he's
already
had
the
the
opportunity
to
to
do
what
he
needs
to
do,
and
you
see
it
on
a
very
operational
level
and
so
I
think
splitting
out
that
role
and
having
the
mayor
be
an
executive
versus
having
both
that's
akin
to
having
the
governor
be
a
senator
as
well.
That
would
be
absolutely
insane
having
the
veto.
M
Powers
I
think
would
actually
help
with
that
with
separation
of
Duties,
but
I
think
that
needs
to
happen
within
the
charter.
I
think
it
was
a
very
short-sighted
way
to
to
create
the
strong
mayor.
I
think
it
was
something
that
was
a
very
big
limit
and
an
oversight
from
the
prior
commission,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
corrected
in
the
way
that
it
is
written
within.
The
proposal,
I
think,
should
solve
a
lot
of
that.
M
I
also
think
that
having
a
professional
city
manager,
councilor
matano
alluded
to
having
a
professional
staff
and
I
can
attest
very
very
directly
to
having
a
professional
senior
staff.
That's
actually
composed
of
people
who
are
qualified
to
do
their
jobs
through
credentials
and
through
also
through
experience,
makes
a
huge
difference
in
how
the
city
operates
right
now.
What
we
have
is
a
whole
bunch
of
friends
and
these
friends
really
aren't
professional
in
a
lot
of
ways.
M
Friends
of
politicians,
friends
of
elected
officials-
and
this
does
not
work
having
professional
city
manager
and
having
professional
senior
staff,
is
critical
to
having
the
day-to-day
operations
run.
It's
really
sad
to
me.
It's
it's,
actually
heartbreaking
and
really
frustrating
that
we
actually
have
to
amend
the
city
Charter
to
include
financial
management.
It's
it's
absolutely
kind
of
like
like.
Why
do
you
have
to
codify
something?
That's
already
in
state
law?
We
have
to
have
our
audits
in
by
November
1st
of
every
year.
M
M
Oh
well,
we're
going
to
have
it
in
by
next
month,
Oh
by
next
month,
Oh
by
next
month,
but
guess
what
next
month
never
comes,
and
now
they're
two
years
behind
I
know,
firsthand
and
I
will
attest
to
this
if
I
had
to
even
under
oath
that
that
it
is
not
a
systems
problem
that
it
is
not
anything
having
to
do
with
anything
that
was
built
in
correctly,
the
systems
that
are
in
place
were
built
and
operate
in
accordance
with
how
they're
supposed
to
it's.
Just
that
you
don't
have
anybody
minding
the
store.
M
One
of
the
things
that
I
have
really
enjoyed
about
serving
on
the
school's
audit
committee
is
the
leadership
at
the
Santa
Fe
Public
Schools
Santa
Fe
Public,
Schools
leadership,
superintendent
Chavez.
If
he
has
to
deliver
bad
news
to
the
public,
he
does
so
he's
not
afraid
to
say
this
is
the
way
that
it
is,
and
this
is
how
we're
going
to
resolve
it.
If
there
are
problems.
M
What
I
do
see
is
that
here
at
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
the
good
news
and
the
feel
good
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
is
what's
presented
to
the
public,
but
underneath
the
curtain
you
have
a
lot
of
conflicts
of
interest
between
contractors
and
Auditors,
and
things
like
that-
and
these
are
things
yes
I'm
making
pretty
strong
statements,
but
I
I
do
know
firsthand
that
that's
the
case
right
now,
you
have
contracted
out
very
critical
functions
from
day-to-day
operations
and
I
think
that
by
codifying
a
financial
management
section
within
the
city
Charter,
you
would
force
City
staff
to
be
professional
for
internal
law
and
I.
M
Think
that's
something!
That's
absolutely
necessary,
even
though
it's
sad
that
it's
necessary
and
it's
disheartening
that
it's
necessary
that
we
have
to
write
into
law.
Saying
do
your
jobs,
but
we
have
to
do
that
because,
unfortunately,
no
one's
minding
the
store
right
now
and
I
know
that
for
a
fact,
so
I
think
that
those
two
things
I
strongly
advise
that
you
propose
it
up
and
send
it
up
in
your
proposal
to
council
I
strongly.
Don't
think
it's
going
to
happen,
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
meet
the
voters.
M
You
know
I'm
taking
odds
in
my
personal
life
that
it's
actually
going
to
get
to
a
vote,
because
even
if
you
do
recommend
it
in
your
final
report,
I
don't
I
don't
see
Council
approving
it,
but
maybe
they
will
maybe
I'll
be
wrong,
and
you
know
they
will
actually
put
something
to
the
voters
that
make
sense.
M
Hopefully
they
will
because
you
guys
work
should
not
be
ignored,
so
you
guys
have
done,
should
be
heard
and
should
should
reach
the
community
at
Large,
which
leads
me
to
the
the
term.
I
want
to
talk
about
term
limits.
M
Real
quick
I
know
it's
under
state
law,
but
we
do
need
to
kind
of
adjust
that
at
the
state
level
to
change
the
Constitution
to
to
man
to
allow
term
limits
to
force
term
limits,
because
we
can't
have
a
king
of
Santa
Fe
and
not
under
the
way
that
it's
currently,
we
cannot
have
a
a
strong
mayor.
Who
can
be
king
forever?
Because,
right
now,
when
you
have
that
much
power
in
one
person,
they
become
very,
very
powerful
and
they
could
be
very,
very
powerful
for
a
very
very
long
time.
M
So
that's
another
thing
that
at
the
state
level,
we
should
kind
of
address.
I
know
that
it
was
considered
and
you
guys
did
kind
of
Punt
it
to
the
state
law.
So
that's
cool
and
I
get
it.
M
But
it's
something
that
I
think
that
we
should
consider
as
a
community
to
kind
of
run
up
the
flagpole
to
their
to
our
Senators
and
representatives
to
say
we
do
need
Municipal
term
limits,
but
as
far
as
referendum
and
recall
I
do
I
was
disappointed
to
see
that
you
guys
aren't
going
to
push
forward
a
lowering
of
the
33
on
the
mayor.
M
M
I
think
would
would
give
people
more
incentive
and
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
less
of
a
barrier
for
them
to
participate
in
a
recall
effort.
M
So
I
do
think
that
lowering
the
thresholds
for
referendum
to
10
to
15,
as
stated
in
your
proposals,
would
be
would
be
great,
but
also
to
work
for
the
mayor
recall
as
well.
That
way
that
it
removes
the
barrier
like
I
said
so
again.
Those
are
the
three
things.
I,
don't
think
that
the
mayor
should
have
as
much
power
as
the
current
mayor
has
having
executive
and
legislative
powers
is
basically
saying
you
might
as
well.
Just
you
know
give
them
an
authority
to
go
out
and
enforce
as
well.
M
Please
push
the
financial
management
section
in
the
charter,
so
that
way,
people's
financial
responsibility
and
our
tax
money
can
be.
You
know,
adequately
accounted
for.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
and
thank
you
for
all
you've
done.
B
F
I'm
sure
we
have
one
person
on
Zoom,
Adam
Johnson.
You
can
unmute
yourself.
M
B
N
Sorry,
sorry
that
I
couldn't
join
you
in
person.
Thank
you,
chair
along
commissioners.
N
I
I
want
to
thank
you
again
for
your
work
on
the
charter.
Commission
I
think
as
I've
said
before.
This
is
a
really
impressive
group
of
people
and
a
very
professionalized
body
and
I
think
I'm
heartened
to.
N
Yeah
I
I,
don't
like
a
lot
of
the
other
speakers,
think
that
an
extension
of
this
process
might
be
better
for
the
citizens
of
Santa
Fe
because
it
gives
them
a
chance
to
weigh
in
and
I
was
impressed
by
the
commentary
of
the
three
speakers
before
me
and
and
I.
Think
more
of
that
is
what
we
need
so
I
I
just
want
to
mention
that
I
will
say
that
I
was
at
the
meeting
where
the
paper
said.
No
one
was
at
and
I
know.
N
Portal
issues
the
the
link
to
the
city
attorney's
web
page
is
not
working
properly.
You
can
cut
and
paste
it
if
you,
if
you
know
how
to
do
such
a
thing
by
finding
the
link,
but
the
the
portal
has
some
issues
that
are
stymying.
Public
participation
and
and
I
want
to
flag
them.
I
won't
go
into
more
detail,
but
this
has
been
constant
throughout
this
process.
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
this
particular
body
first,
for
whatever
reason,
but
anyway
it
has
been
persistent.
N
N
So
I
want
to
applaud
that
and
I
I
would
like
to
hear
for
sort
of
my
own
intellectual
curiosity
commentary
on
the
sort
of
different
proposals.
Just
to
remind
you.
My
proposal
came
in
and
after
several
different
attempts,
I
sort
of
managed
to
get
the
the
language
in
a
way
that
you
all
considered.
You
declined
to
include
that
one,
but
you
recommend
to
include
a
subsequent
one.
So
for
my
own
edification
I'd
like
to
hear
some
commentary
on
that
from
the
governance
committee
other
than
that
that's
all
I
have
today.
F
Mantra
there's
no
one
else
on
online
asking
to
speak.
B
Okay,
so
let's
go
on
to
yes:
okay,
okay,
so
commissioner
Pettis
needs
to
leave
and
should
we
just
notify
you
are
you
planning
on
coming
back
if
we're
still
going,
okay,
great.
B
B
First,
with
the
consideration
of
the
proposals
that
have
been
recommended
by
the
subcommittee
on
governance
and
financial
audit
and
I
understand
that
those
proposals
we
will
be
presented
separately,
at
least
for
those
that
you're
making
a
recommendation
or
a
charter
Amendment,
so
that
we
can
vote
on
those
separately
and
have
some
discussion.
O
Thank
you
very
much
for
those
of
you
who
are
online.
We
have
before
us.
The
report
that
you
have
seen
on
the
web
and
I
will
take
four
items,
one
at
a
time
and
place
them
before
the
body
in
the
form
of
motions,
and
then
the
chair
will
conduct
the
voting
process
from
from
that
point.
In
each
case,
the
first
of
them
begins
on
page
two
for
those
of
you
who
have
paper
in
front
of
you
at
the
desk
and
can
run
through
page
11..
O
This
is
the
one
which
has
been
referenced
by
a
number
of
the
public
comments,
and
many
of
the
comments
have
been
supportive
of
what
we
have
attempted.
There
have
been
some
public
comments
that
applied
to
specific
details
where
there
was
a
hope
that
we
would
specify
one
or
another
aspect
more
specifically
and
again
at
this
late
date.
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
I
am
hopeful,
and
this
is
in
the
form
of
a
question.
Madam
chair
I
am
hopeful
that
these
comments
that
we
have
heard
will
be
in
the
record.
O
B
Okay,
yes
Pat.
F
Chair
long
Commissioners,
the
comments
that
were
just
given
here
at
the
meeting
will
be
in
the
minutes
eventually,
but
probably
not
by
Monday
or
the
YouTube.
Video
is
already
online
and
you
will
be
able
to
watch
that
to
excellent
want
to
reference.
Those.
B
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioner
durdach,
for
mentioning
that
I
would
like
the
commission
to
consider
that
we
send
in
a
timely
manner
whenever
the
minutes
are
available
with
all
of
the
presentations
today
to
the
city
council,
along
with
all
of
the
emailed
comments.
G
I
I
think
it's
critical
that
the
city
council
receives
all
of
those
and
that
they
should
be
part
of
our
formal
presentation
to
them,
because
I
think
they're
very
well
put
and-
and
it's
part
of
our
the
record
and
it's
part
of
a
lot
of
what
we've
considered
and
I
think
it
adds
value
for
the
city
council
to
see.
Perhaps
why
we
changed
Midstream
on
something
and
they
could
go
back
to
the
comments
that
were
made.
G
But
I
think
it's
key,
that
whatever
our
community
presented
to
us,
either
on
email
or
the
website
or
in
the
meetings,
are
part
of
what
we
send
to
the
city.
B
Okay,
I
think
we
can
do
that
for
all
of
the
online
comments
that
could
probably
be
in
appendix
we
receive
some
outside
of
the
website.
That
I
think
we
can
also
include,
and
then
we
can
reference
comments
made
at
meetings
that
would
be
available
in
the
minutes
or
YouTube
I
mean
that
there
were
some
made
I,
don't
know
that
we'll
lay
those
out,
but
yes,.
F
Pat
chair
along.
F
I
think
that
some
of
that
could
certainly
be
ready
for
next
week,
for
the
presentation
governing
body
will
also
need
to
vote
on
this
at
a
different
date,
and
we
could
have
it
ready
for
that.
B
O
You
just
just
for
Commissioners
information.
I,
have
tracked
all
of
these
carefully
and
it's
my
belief
that
you
will
now
see
on
our
record
47
public
comments.
I've
counted
them
very
carefully.
So
with
that
more.
O
With
with
that,
I
draw
your
attention
to
pages
two
through
eleven.
O
Our
subcommittee
met
this
week
already
and
considered
public
comments
that
had
been
made
up
until
the
time
of
that
meeting,
and
in
no
cases
in
those
considerations
did
we
make
any
alterations
to
this
particular
proposal.
The
Proposal,
entitled
roles
of
council,
mayor
and
manager
public
should
understand
that
these
proposals
were
in
light
of
the
council.
Having
referred
to
us
to
re,
to
referrals,
which
we
combined
and
considered
together,
they
had
to
do
a
separation
of
powers
and
roles
just.
B
O
Madam,
chair
I,
I
move
on
behalf
of
the
subcommittee
the
the
item.
It
is
entitled
roles
of
council,
mayor
and
manager.
It
can
be
seen
on
pages
two
through
eleven
I
move
their
reference
to
the
council
by
the
commission
as
printed.
B
Okay,
there's
a
motion
by
commissioner
deirdack
to
recommend
the
committee's
proposal
on
the
roles
of
Council,
mayor
and
manager,
as
it
is
titled
which
covers
two
referrals
received
by
the
commission
by
the
city
council
and
their
resolution,
and
that
motion
was
seconded
by
commissioner
Ortiz
and
now
we
will
go
to
any
discussion
of
the
motion.
I
will
let
Commissioners
know
that
we'll
take
roll
call
votes
on
each
item
and
if
you
want
to
briefly
explain
your
reasoning
for
voting
one
way
or
another
you'll
have
that
opportunity
at
that
point.
B
But
at
this
time
I'd
call
for
any
discussion
on
the
motion
and
I
want
to
thank
this
subcommittee
again
for
all
of
the
work
that
you
have
put
in
really
hard
work
and
a
lot
of
it
even
meeting
again
this
week
after
receiving
comments,
and
we
all
appreciate
it
as
we
do
with
the
other
subcommittee.
P
One
question
and
I'm
looking
at
page
19
in
the
packet
of
materials,
and
it
has
at
the
bottom
of
page
19
text
that
is
highlighted
in
red
and
so
do
I
understand
the
motion
correctly
to
include
that
provision
at
the
bottom
of
the
page.
No.
O
B
And
just
so
I
can
understand,
commissioner
deirdack
on
Page
Six.
This
is
the
authority
to
remove
by
the
mayor,
and
so
you've
got
removal
of
the
city
manager
with
the
consent
of
the
majority
of
the
total
possible
membership
right.
So
you're
talking
about
five
and
may
remove
the
City
attorney
with
a
consent
of
six.
O
O
What
we
found
in
the
what
we
found
in
the
model,
City
Charter,
was
that
other
cities
have
had
some
challenges
in
this
regard,
because
the
City
attorney
acts
on
behalf
of
every
organization
and
entity
in
the
Enterprise
throughout,
and
they
wanted
very
much
to
have
a
very
high
bar
or
removal,
because
there
are
cities.
I,
don't
know
that
it's
ever
happened
here,
but
there
are
cities
where
the
whole
issue
of
removing
an
attorney
was
because
one
part
of
the
government
was
at
odds
with
another
part
of
the
government.
O
We
found
ourselves
comparing
the
reality
of
Santa
Fe,
comparing
the
real
to
the
ideal,
and
that's
always
a
perilous
thing
to
do.
But
we
felt
that
we
must
in
this
case,
because
we
see
evidence
of
other
cities
having
tied
themselves
into
pretzels,
and
we
don't
need
that.
We.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
I'm.
Looking
now
at
page
eight,
which
is
the
removal
of
the
city
manager
where
it
says
city
manager
may
be
suspended
or
removed
by
the
mayor
with
consent
of
a
majority
of
the
total
possible
membership
of
the
city
council
had
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting
or
by
a
vote
of
six
counselors
at
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
P
I
wasn't
sure
I
mean
this
would
presumably
then
exclude
any
special
meetings
held
for
that
purpose
and
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
there
if
something
Rises
to
the
level
where
the
city
manager
is
being
contemplated
being
removed.
Presumably
it's
a
matter
of
some
significant
and
significance
and
urgency.
P
Is
it
I'm
begging
the
question?
Is
it
better
to
allow
for
that
to
be
done
also
at
a
special
meeting,
as
well
as
at
a
regular
meeting.
O
I
think
what
you'll
find
in
the
literature
is
that
there's
been
an
attempt
to
remove
to
to
avoid
taking
such
precipitous
action
as
a
matter
of
crisis,
and
so
the
the
advice
is
very
clear
that
these
are
to
happen
in
regularly
scheduled
apparatus
and
not
and
not
especially,
if
that
makes
sense
to
to
you.
P
I
P
You
and
one
other
question
if
I
might,
in
terms
of
we
had
one
of
our
public
commenters
suggests
that
a
written
reason
for
any
veto
by
the
mayor
of
legislation
passed
by
the
council
be
provided.
That's
right
welcome
your
thoughts
on
that.
These.
O
We
as
a
subcommittee
found
ourselves
absolutely
equipped
to
choose
whether
or
not
to
include
veto
and
override
of
veto
in
the
respective
roles.
We
thought
that
that
we
needed
to
speak
up
about
that,
to
the
extent
that
we
have
looked
at
other
veto
and
override
Provisions
in
other
City
charters
Peter.
We
have
found
some
of
them
that
go
to
page
after
page
of
Exquisite
and
excruciating
detail.
O
We
did
not
feel
equipped
to
choose
which
of
those
details
belong
in
a
charter
and
which
don't
we
did
not
feel
equipped
to
anticipate
the
the
circumstances
by
which
those
details
might
become
pertinent
or
not,
and
so
what
we
said
with
council
is
that
if
the
city
council
wants
to
move
this
forward,
they
will
need
to
work
with
the
city
attorney
to
draft
the
kind
of
language
that
belongs
and
set
a
phase
Charter
to
elaborate
both
the
sentence
about
veto
and
the
sentence
about
Beetle
override.
P
B
I
B
O
A
Madam,
chair
and
Commissioners
I
would
just
add.
Thank
you
that
I
agree
with
everything
commissioner
deirdock
said
and
would
add
also
in
terms
of
including
in
the
charter
that
the
mayor
shall
give
the
basis
for
the
veto,
at
least
to
me,
didn't
really
feel
like
Charter
material
and
as
a
practical
matter.
I
think
any
mayor
would
explain
what
their
their
basis
for
their
veto
if
he
or
she
or
they
do
not.
A
B
D
B
O
I
O
Seen
it
you
have
heard
it
described
and
discussed
I
want
to
point
particularly
to
a
an
error
we
believe
we
found
as
recently
as
Monday.
It
is
on
page
14
and
in
your
printed
material
it
appears
in
red.
O
The
structure
of
the
document
is
that
the
material
for
city
council
action
on
budget
is
absolutely
parallel
to
city
council
action
on
Capital
program.
However,
as
the
document
went
through
its
various
Evolutions
into
what
we
see
in
front
of
us,
those
two
sentences
item,
one
and
number
two
under
notice
of
hearing
dropped
out.
They
vanished
and
it
might
have
been
by
magic
or.
O
Cockpit
error
by
use
yours
truly
I,
really
don't
know,
but
our
committee
noticed
and
things
particularly
to
commissioner
Ortiz
that
suddenly
two
items
that
are
designed
to
be
in
parallel
were
not
exactly
in
parallel
any
longer.
So
that's
why
we
made
the
correction.
The
correction
comes
to
you
now
as
part
of
the
total
motion,
and
we
can
discuss
it
if
you
like,
but
if
indeed
the
council
sees
the
need
to
treat
these
two
sections
a
little
bit
differently.
The
council
can
take
that
action.
O
B
B
B
C
A
O
That's
the
third
of
our
four
referrals
is
found
on
page
16
through
18..
O
O
We
did
believe
that
the
distinction
we
drew
between
a
referendum
and
initiative
on
the
one
hand
and
recall
on
the
other,
was
at
well
advised,
and
we
hear
the
difference
of
opinion,
but
I
should
also
describe
for
you
that,
at
the
end
of
each
of
these
three
sections,
we
found
the
pre
the
current
Charter's
description
of
how
the
clerk
is
to
calculate
the
percentages.
O
The
current
language
about
that
is
obtuse.
It
is
impossible
to
discern
what
is
meant
and
multiple
interpretations
could
all
be
justified
and
there
is
no
guidance,
and
so
we
have
entered
a
much
more
elaborate
sentences
that
say
what
they
mean
and
mean
what
they
say,
and
so
the
clerk
has
a
much
better
guidance
as
to
how
to
administer
any
or
all
of
these
paragraphs
now
and
that's
why
we
make
the
motion.
O
A
B
Okay,
we
have
our
roll
caller
back
just
in
the
nick
of
time
on
this
motion.
So
let's
take
a
vote
on
this
I
guess.
The
recommendation
is
this
again
was
a
matter
that
was
brought
up
by
the
commission
and
not
by
the
council
resolution
correct
commissioner,
dear
deck.
Q
B
C
O
O
Final
item
from
our
committee
for
Action
by
the
council
as
a
as
an
amendment
to
the
Charter,
is
found
on
page
19..
J
O
You
it's
the
first
time
ever
so
on
page
19.
You
will
see
this
item
and
in
response
to
the
question
raised
in
a
public
comment
just
moments
ago,
I
do
want
to
describe
the
difference
that
we
discerned
between
the
language
that
we
had
been
considering
for
several
weeks
and
then
the
language
that
was
offered
by
a
public
commentator
or
that
we
found
to
be
superior.
O
We
do
think
it
makes
sense
for
charters
to
enjoy
process
and
method
and
for
elected
people
like
City
councilors
themselves
to
produce
actual
product
and
outcomes.
That's
a
whole
different
story
and
that's
why
we,
you
see
all
the
deletions
on
page
19
and
then
you
see
in
red
what
has
been
sent
to
us
and
so
again.
Madam
chair.
The
due
process
when
functioning
and
quasi-judicial
form
is
a
referral
from
the
commission
to
the
city,
council
and
ISO
move
age.
19.
B
Okay,
it's
it
seems
that
The
Proposal,
that
the
committee
looked.
You
know
closely
at
the
two
proposals
received
and
is
proposing
the
the
one
that
is
contained
on
on
page
19.
B
It
seems
like
your
proposal,
encompasses
a
lot
of
those
concerns
right
and
that
prior
comment
that
we've
been
hearing
about,
but
was
just
expressed
in
more
of
a
process
manner,
is
what
you're
saying
than
an
outcome
exactly
okay,
yes,
commissioner
Ortiz.
G
Madam
chair
just
a
clarification
after
we
voted
and
this
moves
forward,
which
I'm
assuming
it
will
when
this
goes
to
the
counselors.
We
will
not
be
showing
all
of
the
lined
out
items
correct
when
it
goes
to
city
council.
What
they're
going
to
see
is
first
paragraph
and
the
last
paragraph,
because
that's
what
we're
voting
on
Mark
I.
B
Because
the
yeah,
this
is
just
for
our
use
to
show
what
the
previous
proposal
was,
but
there
wouldn't
be
no
reason
to
show
the
council
that,
because
that
hasn't
been
proposed
to
them-
and
this
is
a
brand
new
area
of
the
charter-
so
we're
not
redrafting
any
language
within
the
charter.
It'll
be
a
brand
new
section.
If.
O
I
may
all
of
that
is
true,
I
I
would
would
remind
you,
however,
that
we
have
yet
to
discuss
exactly
the
form
and
appearance
of
our
transmittal,
and
we've
already
said
that
we
wanted
to
include
some
appendices,
for
instance
the
public
comments.
We
just
discussed
that
20
minutes
ago.
O
I
think
we
we
could
discuss
whether
to
accompany
our
report
with
a
thorough,
carefully
carefully
accurate
Redline
version
so
that,
as
the
discussion
moves
forward,
counselors
can
see
what
was
considered
at
any
point
and
and
not
forwarded
to
them.
I
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
preclude
the
possibility
that
seeing
red
line
material
might
be
helpful
to.
D
B
B
Think
that's
that's
a
fair
comment.
We're
going
to
have
time
constraints!
Obviously
this
or
it
has
to
be
done
in
a
couple
of
days
so
that
that
could
impact
what
we
can
include
as
well.
Yes,
commissioner,
Ortiz.
G
B
That
yeah,
that's
what
I
was
saying
so
long
as
I
had
an
explanation
as
to
what
it
was
redlined
from,
but
we'll
have
to
decide
how
far
we
go
with
that
and
how
much
time
we
have
okay.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
this
proposal
as
a
charter
Amendment,
it's
a
recommendation
to
go
to
the
council.
Okay,
let's
take
a
vote
on
this
one.
C
O
O
In
these
cases
we
discovered
that
in
our
deliberation
we
think
that
there
are
some
things
the
council
can
do
that
we
do
not
require
Amendment
at
all
to
the
Charter,
but
we
did
not
want
our
discussion
of
these
items
to
simply
never
see
the
light
of
day,
and
so
what
we
did
is
we
make
them
as
recommendations
for
the
council's
own
consideration,
not
for
Charter
Amendment.
There
are
two
of
them.
One
of
them
pertains
two
full-time
counselors,
the
other
pertains
to
Sunset
of
boards
and
commissions.
O
The
city
has
an
immense
number
of
boards
and
commissions,
some
of
which
are
active,
some
of
which
are
not,
and
so
we
we
had
a
view
of
that
and
want
to
communicate
to
the
council
that
view
so
without
taking
them
separately.
I
move
that
the
that
the
commission
forward
recommendations
for
non-charter
Action
as
printed
on
pages
20
and
21
to
the
city
council.
B
Owl
second,
okay,
commissioner
Montoya,
let
me
ask
you
on
the
the
full-time
counselor
as
part
of
this
motion.
B
It
was
an
item
referred
to
us
by
the
city
council.
So
am
I
understanding
the
recommendation
to
be
that
counselors
should
not
be
full-time,
correct.
O
B
G
I
think
we
I
would
like
us
to
consider
adding
a
little
bit
more
language
regarding
the
recommendation
and
referring
to
the
comment
that
was
made,
that
these
positions
that
could
be
converted
from
current
existing
FTE
within
the
budget
not
being
created
elsewhere,
should
only
be
used
for
purposes
of
City
analysis
or
policy
recommendations
and
not
campaign
activity.
O
B
J
O
B
That,
okay,
so
on
counselor
Ortiz's
recommendation
to
amend
the
motion
to
make
it
clear
that
the
staff
person
that
is
being
recommended
for
the
counselors
perform
City
analysis
and
policy
functions
and
not
campaign
activities
or
the
counselor.
Okay.
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion?
I
will
second
that
motion?
Okay.
Let's
take
a
roll
call
on
that
motion
to
amend
that
in
the
recommendation.
C
C
B
So
now
we
will
take
a
vote
on
the
motion
which
was
made
by
commissioner
deardak
and
seconded
by
commissioner
Montoya
on
these
two
items,
which
is
the
full-time
counselor
recommendation,
as
well
as
the
boards
and
commissions
recommendation.
That
would
be
non-charter
items
but
would
be
in
our
report.
Let's
take
a
vote
on
that.
C
O
Hey
you
all
will
be
happy
to
know
that
we
have
come
to
the
ultimate
of
our
many
reposed
we're
now
looking
at
Pages
22
through
24.,
we
felt
an
obligation
to
respond
to
the
referrals
that
have
come
to
us.
In
a
few
cases.
We
studied
the
matter.
O
We
reviewed
them
carefully
and
we
decided
that
it
is
imprudent
to
modify
the
charter
with
regard
to
them.
In
one
case,
we
believe
that
the
future
of
Santa
Fe
may
get
Santa
Fe
to
the
point
where
it
needs
to
be
considered,
but
that
it
is
that
that
point
has
not
been
arrived
as
yet.
O
In
the
other
cases,
we
believed
that
what
was
being
contemplated
would
be
not
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
and
so
we
recommend
that
the
action
being
considered
not
be
taken,
but
we
do
believe
that
our
report
in
that
regard
should
be
forwarded
to
the
council
because
they
asked
the
questions
in
good
faith
and
they
deserve
an
answer.
I
O
B
Is
there
a
second
to
the
motion
second
seconded
by
commissioner
Montoya
and
again
these
are
items
that
are
being
recommended
as
non-charter
amendments,
but
there
are
some
there's
some
commentary
and
especially
on
the
number
of
districts
and
counselors,
and
some
reasoning
why
the
others
are
not
recommended
for
retire
their
amendments.
Okay,
is
there
any
discussion
on
this
motion,
abuse
or
items?
C
B
Thank
you
very
much,
I
think
that
was
well
organized
and
well
thought
through
and
and
we
appreciate
that
effort
and
following
it
through
okay.
Now
we
will
go
on
to
the
proposals
by
the
subcommittee
on
human
rights
and
social
social
issues
and
then
we'll
turn
it
over
to
the
chair.
B
Commissioner,
Ives
with
the
first
item
on
whether
this
item
was
referred
to
us
by
the
city
council,
whether
the
human
and
civil
rights
policy
statement
should
be
more
specific
with
regard
to
the
breadth
of
required
protections
and
or
the
manner
in
which
such
rights
should
be
protected.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
As
everyone
on
the
commission
is
aware,
we
have
proposed
that
in,
if
you
will
the
strengthening
human
rights
within
the
city,
that
a
City
Human
Rights
Commission
be
formed
which
would
be
capable
of
addressing
issues
relating
to
human
and
civil
rights
within
our
city.
P
The
proposal
is,
and
has
been
redlined
showing
proposed
changes
to
the
existing
language
within
the
city
Charter
and
on
behalf
of
the
committee,
which
has
reviewed
and
approves
of
this
language,
would
move
that
that
proposed
those
proposed
changes
be
forwarded
to
the
city
council.
As
part
of
the
report
of
the
commission.
B
Okay,
so
we'll
take
that
as
a
motion
by
the
chair
to
advance
this
proposal
on
human
and
civil
rights
that
we
have
to
the
council
as
a
charter
amendment.
Is
there
a
second
second,
yes
seconded
by
commissioner
blondes?
B
B
P
Yes,
it's
we
believe
it's
a
significant
that
an
office
dedicated
to
those
purposes
be
created
within
the
city
executive
branch
as
well,
in
order
that
the
actions
of
the
Human
Rights
Commission
can
be
affected
in
City
policy
City
practice.
So
it's
really
the.
If
you
will
the
action
component
of
creating
the
Commission
in
the
first
instance
and
of
course
it
has
had
significant
support
within
the
current
Council,
so
we
believe
it's
appropriate
to
provide
that
here.
B
P
I
think
the
Human
Rights
Commission
will
have
a
slightly
different
Focus
sort
of
broad
focus
of
considering
those
issues
across
the
city
on
an
ongoing
basis.
But
you
need
some
mechanism
then,
to
implement
those
decisions
and
those
practices,
and
that's
really
I
think
where
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
comes
in
and
whether
or
not
that's
the
appropriate
name.
I
know
there
has
been
discussion
within
the
city
council
as
to
whether
or
not
that
was
the
name
that
should
be
given
to
that
entity.
P
But,
and
presumably
that
is
the
office
that
would
develop,
along
with
the
commission,
the
sort
of
the
equity
lens
that
many
communities
across
the
country
have
been
adopting
to
ensure
that
they're
considering
these
issues
in
all
their
ordinances
and
other
practices.
P
I
think
policy
is
probably
the
most
significant
action
that
the
commission
would
be
able
to
take.
You
know
we
have
seen
tremendous
changes
in
treatment.
Various
populations
within
our
country,
the
LBG
Community,
the
trans
Community.
Those
are
topics
that
are
still
developing
and
so
having
policies
addressed
at
the
Human
Rights
Commission
level
on
behalf
of
the
city,
certainly
makes
sense
and
then
again
having
the
mechanism
to
push
that
down
into
actual
practice
within
the
city.
Also,
it
seems
a
significant
complement.
C
R
P
The
next
item
was
a
proposed
new
section,
2.08
in
Article
2
of
the
Charter,
and
that
is
this
article
that
deals
with
policy
statements
and
this
one
deals
with
having
sufficient
and
nutritious
food
readily
available
in
our
community
and
basically
looking
at
food
availability
and
nutritious
food
availability
as
a
fundamental
human
right,
because
we
have
experienced
and
continued
to
experience
significant
issues
with
Hunger
with
food
availability,
and
we
certainly
applaud
the
efforts
at
the
state
through
the
Department
of
Education
to
address
that
issue.
P
But
the
issue
is
broader
than
simply
providing
meals
in
schools,
as
our
elderly
often
experience
on,
and
it
seems
to
be
been
a
a
a
problem
that
has
resisted
solution.
So
we
believe
by
elevating
it
into
the
charter
as
a
policy
statement.
The
significance
of
that
issue
likewise
should
be
highlighted
within
the
city
and
suggesting
that,
at
the
end,
there
that
making
city
land
and
City
Water
available
in
sustainable
and
and
prudent
manners
makes
sense
to
as
an
additional
mechanism
for
addressing
that
issue.
P
And
that
suggests
that
the
city
should
be
a
much
more
active
participant
in
trying
to
bring
resolution
to
that
issue.
And
that
is
not
in
derogation
to
the
many
efforts
of
a
multitude
of
non-profits
to
address
this
issue
across
our
community,
which
they
have
been
doing
yeoman's
work
on
for
many
many
years.
But
the
fact
that
the
problem
remains
suggests
need
to
do
something
different
in
order
to
try
and
address
it
and
eliminate
it
as
an
issue
for
the
people
of
Santa
Fe.
P
B
O
Thank
you,
I
I
am
still
grateful
as
I
was
at
our
last
meeting
that
when
I
raised
a
concern
about
how
a
city
can
have
these
kinds
of
instructions
given
to
it
can
have
unintended
consequences
and
you
I
believe
modified.
The
final
sentence
in
that
regard
is
is
what
we're
seeing
on
the
page.
O
P
It
had
been
my
presumption
that
the
city
had
Incorporated
those
changes
into
what
was
being
presented
today.
It
was
certainly
with
the
direction
that
that
happened,
but
I
honestly
as
I
look
at
it.
It
looks
that,
like
that,
may
not
be
the
case,
because
I
had
redlined
that,
in
my
notes,
that's.
O
I,
as
I've
heard
the
discussion
of
this
over
the
period
of
now
months,
it
seemed
to
me
that
my
misgivings
may
be
unique.
I
honestly,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
you.
You
may
very
well
have
a
very
strong
majority
vote
already
on
this.
I
really
don't
know
I'm,
sorry
to
say
that
that
majority
will
have
to
exempt
me
I
I'm,
with
all
reluctance
I'm
prepared
to
vote
no
on
this.
One.
O
Here
are
my
reasons:
I
already
expressed
one,
and
you
were
very
helpful
in
making
the
modifications
that
that
would
have
alleviated
and
because
of
that,
if
this
is
to
pass-
and
it
could
very
well
I'll
I
will
feel
satisfaction
that
it
is
a
better
emotion
than
it
would
have
been
if
it
had
not
been
modified.
O
O
When
we
ask
them
to
do
more
of
the
same,
we
do
hungry
people
a
disservice
when
we
ask
them
to
survive
their
Grievous
poverty
more
rather
than
eliminating
poverty,
for
instance,
and
so
with
all
of
that,
I
am
doubtful
that
the
charter
needs
another
programmatic
paragraph
I
know
that
we
have
not
decided
to
ask
the
council
to
put
to
the
voters.
O
O
I
I
am
very
hopeful
that
we
will
get
this
right
because
I
know
of
research
being
done
today
about
completely
different
ways
to
do
this
and
I
am
very
hopeful
for
its
outcome,
but
until
somebody
in
in
all
of
New
Mexico
Embraces
that
work
and
moves
that
work
into
our
state,
we
will
not
make
the
progress
that
hungry
people
deserve.
O
So
with
all
reluctance,
Madam
chair,
I
intend
to
vote
no
on
this
one.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We
approved
the
minutes
and
in
the
minutes
there
was
a
sentence
that
talked
about
commissioner
Ides
changing
the
word
in
this
particular
document,
I
think
to
May,
or
maybe
it
was
sure
either
way
he
was
moving
it
from
mandatory
to.
B
Permission
and
I've
got
the
minutes.
I've
got
the
language
here,
whatever
I
brought
with
me.
That
I
think
was
probably
on.
Our
website
is
different
than
the
packet
and
I
can
read
that
if
you
would
like,
but
it
does
say
to
ensure
that
all
in
Santa
Fe
are
well
fed
and
not
experienced,
prolong
hunger
or
lack
of
nutritious
food.
This
is
at
the
end
of
it.
B
Our
city
government
shall
take
those
steps
necessary
to
provide
our
community
with
adequate
food
resources
in
a
sustainable
matter,
manner
that
promotes
the
local
production
of
food
and
the
wise
and
conservation-minded
use
of
water,
which
is
different
than
the
the
printed
one
I
think
that
was
before
you
today.
So
I
think
this
is
probably
the
changed.
One
and
I
can
ask
commissioner
I
have
to
look
at
it.
G
Actually,
Matt
I'm
sure
I
have
them
both
and
the
language
is
the
same.
The
key
word
that
needed
to
be
changed
is
the
word.
Shall.
F
G
So
Madam
chair,
my
my
point
is
the
the
surrounding
language
is
the
same,
and
what
I
understood
commission
arrives
and
he'll
be
the
best
one
to
speak
to
it.
Was
he
wanted
to
change
the
word
shell
from
mandatory
to
permissive
either
to
me
or
should,
but
nonetheless,
so
we
need
to
clarify
what
we're
voting
on
when
we
before
we
vote,
but
nonetheless,
from
my
perspective,
I
think
the
intent
is
excellent.
G
I
hearted
wholeheartedly
support
any
measures
that
will
help
deal
with
the
hunger
issue
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
I
I
do
believe
that
the
language
as
presented
sets
an
unrealistic
expectation
for
this
city,
citizens
of
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
and
potentially
sets
up
some
liability
if
the
language
is
not
realized
and
and
I
also
believe,
it
could
potentially
be
setting
up
a
fiscal
responsibility
for
out
years
that
are
not
intended
at
this
point,
but,
most
importantly,
I.
G
Don't
believe
that
this
is
should
be
raised
to
the
level
of
Charter
I.
Don't
believe
this
is
Charter
language.
I
think
this
is
very
programmatic
and
a
good
worthy
initiative,
but
I
I
also
will
be
voting
against
this,
because
I
do
not
believe
it
should
be
part
of
the
charter.
Now
we
wanted
to
have
it
sent
as
a
recommendation
to
be
looked
at
to
the
city
councilors,
as
we
have
done
some
others
and
not
included
in
the
charter.
G
A
Chair
long,
yes,
yeah
follow-up,
we've
I
think
our
subcommittee
has
spent
so
much
time
together
that
we
we
tend
to
now
agree
on
on
lots
of
things,
but
I
I
echo,
my
my
fellow
Commissioners
and
I
and
I
do
strongly
Echo
the
notion
that
this
is
a
critical
issue
that
the
city
needs
to
to
study.
I
do
have
concerns
about
the
language
and
what
this
is
requiring
of
the
city.
How
do
we
ensure
that
everybody
is
well
fed?
A
A
So
that
because
we
are
recognizing
food
security
as
a
human
right
and
it
is
appropriately
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
Human
Rights
Commission
that
we
are
recommending
they
adopt
that
they
ought
to
take
a
careful
look
at
Food
security
and
providing
that
food
Security
in
a
sustainable
Manner,
and
that
that
would
be
a
great
beginning
for
that.
Commission.
B
I
would
like
to
note
that
commissioner
granillo
has
arrived
to
our
meeting.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
hope
your.
I
B
Went
well
yes,
yeah
I
just
want
to
say:
I
do
have
two
different
versions,
so
you
don't
think
I'm
crazy,
because
I
looked
at
him
again
and
they're.
This
one
does
have
one
less
insure
at
least,
and
the
one
I
was
looking
at
so
I
have
so
many
copies.
Now
that
I
don't
know
where
it
came
from.
But
yes,
commissioner,
blondes.
S
S
It
occurred
to
me
that
a
Human,
Rights
Commission
would
be
a
good
oversight
group
that
could
move
this
forward
and
maybe
even
more
specifically,
because
while
this
is
very
generalized
I
think
a
commission
sitting
and
looking
at
the
issue
and
exploring
possible
ways
to
meet
the
need
would
serve
very
well
and
there
would
actually
be
action
taken.
B
Is
there
any
other
discussion,
we
do
have
a
motion.
Yes,
Pat
Madam.
F
P
Actually,
there
were
a
number
of
other
changes
made
to
that,
which
is
why
it
read
the
entire
statement
or
restatement
of
the
provision
into
the
record,
which
unfortunately
did
not
make
it
into
the
minutes,
because
I
had
a
redlined
copy
here
that
detailed.
A
number
of
additional
changes
in
that
particular
section
I
am
happy
to
try
and
find
that
and
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
it
might
be
appropriate
to
table
that
so
I
can
at
least
find
that
and
make
sure
we
know
what
we
are
being
asked
to
vote
on.
B
D
D
I
B
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Reviewing
the
YouTube
capture
of
our
last
meeting.
The
provision
was
modified
so
that
the
last
sentence
read
as
follows.
Within
this
is
the
sentence
that
begins
when
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
Santa
Fe.
So
with
the
modifications
it
was
working
to
ensure
that
all
in
Santa
Fe
are
well
fed
and
not
experiencing
prolonged
hunger
or
lack
of
nutritious
food.
P
Our
city
government
should
undertake
efforts
to
ensure
that
our
community
has
adequate
food
resources
made
available
in
a
sustainable
manner
that
promotes
the
local
production
of
food
and
the
wise
and
conservine
conservation-minded
use
of
water
and
city
land,
and
that
certainly
I
mean
the
statement
does
deal
with
output
issues,
because
scarcity
at
price
points
that
make
food
available
is
obviously
a
significant
portion
of
what
creates
hunger.
P
In
the
first
instance,
the
city's
participation
in
or
more
active
participation,
utilizing
city,
land
and
water
certainly
has
an
opportunity
to,
in
the
end,
lower
the
cost
of
producing
food
in
ways
that
make
it
more
readily
available
to
all
within
our
community.
I
mean
it
does
certainly
provide
for
the
intended
outcomes,
which
are
that
the
people
of
Santa
Fe
have
nutritious
food
readily
available
so
that
they
do
not
experience
significant
or
prolonged
hunger.
P
You
know
the
Food
Depot
and
some
of
their
materials
suggested
a
pathway
forward,
at
least
in
in
one
thing,
they
had
online,
which
suggested
that
another
way
of
addressing
the
problem
of
food
hunger
was
to
increase
the
minimum
wage
to
I
think
23
to
27
dollars
per
hour,
which
I'm
certainly
not
aware
of
that
capturing
a
foothold
within
our
governing
body,
or
anybody
proposing
that
as
a
mechanism
and
I
suspect
there
would
be
significant
pushback.
P
This
provides
an
opportunity
to
direct
the
city
towards
using
those
resources
which
are
readily
available
to
it
in
a
way
that
heightens
the
city's
sustainability,
which
has
always
been
a
goal
of
mine.
For
anybody
who
knows
the
various
campaigns
I
ran.
They
were
always
based
on
trying
to
create
a
more
sustainable,
Santa
Fe,
so
increasing
our
capacity
to
actually
produce
food
and
control.
The
pricing
of
that
food,
which
I
think
both
are
within
the
parameters
of
this
particular
provision
that
the
human
rights
and
social
issues
committee
brought
forward.
P
It
does
provide
a
new
mechanism
for
trying
to
solve
this
problem
within
our
community,
as
well
as
highlighting
the
fact
that
it
is
the
city's
desire
and
intent
that
nutritious
food
be
available
so
that
our
citizens
don't
go
hungry
and
don't
face
hundred,
and
you
know,
you'll
never
solve
that
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
but
avoiding
prolonged
hunger
and
making
sure
that
nutritious
food
is
readily
available.
So,
from
my
perspective,
this
is
something
that
is
certainly
worthy
of
the
charter.
P
It
certainly
is
something
worthy
of
allowing
the
citizens
of
Santa
Fe
to
weigh
in
on
as
a
significant
social
issue
within
our
community,
which
is
why,
in
the
end,
the
committee
brought
it
Forward
so
appreciate.
B
B
S
Just
a
note
of
information
that
I
just
read
within
the
last
24
hours,
and
that
is
the
kids
kitchen
that
provides
1,
000
meals
to
children
in
this
city.
Every
day
is
closing
after
this
year.
G
B
I
think
the
if
you
want
to
restate
I
I,
think
you
clarified
what
the
motion
was.
I,
don't
know
that
you
read
it
the
first
time,
but
no.
B
Okay,
so
I
think
he's
by
the
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
So
let's
just
make
it
clear
for
the
record
that
the
motion
from
is
from
the
from
the
chair
of
that
committee,
commissioner
Ives
and
it
is
to
recommend,
as
a
charter
Amendment
the
language
that
he
read
after
our
break,
to
clarify
it
after
we
had
some
discussion
and
I
will
just
ask
the
second
to
the
motion.
If
she
is
fine
without
you
seconded
that
motion
I.
Think,
commissioner
Dixon
right.
R
I
did
say:
I
did
I
did
suck
at
that
motion
correct,
however
I'm
in
agreement
with
commissioner
Montoya
and
what
she
had
mentioned
that
it
should
be
falling
under
the
human
rights
okay.
So.
B
We
vote
you.
Can
you
can
make
that
explanation
if
you're
not
going
to
vote
for
it?
Okay,
so
the
is:
let's
take
a
vote
then.
I
Q
B
P
Madam
chair,
yes,
talk
about
the
possibility
of
inviting
commissioner
Perez
back
to
the
meeting
and
she
has
been
in
favor
at
least
of
moving
this
forward.
As
a
member
of
the
committee.
P
Of
the
commission
I
think
this
would
be
subject
to
being
reopened
if
she
were
to
come
back
into
the
meeting,
and
so
I
would
ask
that
she'd
be
invited
back
if
at
all
possible.
So
it
can
be
I
considered
by
the
full
commission.
B
Okay,
I
have
a
message
from
her:
just
got
home,
so
I
was
assuming
not
necessary
to
head
over.
It
is,
would
get
me
there
at
3
20.,
because
I
told
her
would
be
done,
probably
in
about
30
minutes,
but.
F
Charlie
sheet,
the
vote
has
been
taken.
If,
if
we
wanted
to
reconsider
and
take
another
vote,
she
could
join
on
Zoom.
That
is
a
option.
Okay,.
B
G
So
Madame
Church
isn't
respect
for
for
a
commissioner
at
ARG
worked
really
hard
in
both
committees
and
and
I.
I
appreciate
that
I
voting
in
the
minority
would
have
no
problem,
bringing
up
the
the
idea
to
get
her
on
zoom
and
vote
again.
G
But
I
would
also
ask
us
to
consider
moving
it
forward
as
a
recommendation
and
not
a
chartered
language
and
having
that
discussion
again
with
commissioner
perea.
G
I
think
that's
fair
and
and
honors
her
time.
Working
on
this
as.
G
Else
not
that
the
rest
of
you
didn't
work
hard
on
it.
Well,
I
make
the
motion
that
we
could
reconsider
this
item
for
future
motion
and
additional
discussion.
A.
A
B
A
motion
to
reconsider
has
been
made
this
vote
and
seconded
by
commissioner
Montoya.
Okay,
let's
take
a
roll
call
on
that.
C
Q
B
Okay
and
yes,
commissioner,
Patterson
said
that
Zoom
would
be
better.
She
can
get
here
quicker
if
Pat,
if
you
could
just
share
the
link
with
her,
do
you
want
her
email,
okay,.
B
Why
don't
we
entertain
a
motion
to
consider
that
item
after
we've
move
on
to
the
next
two
from
this
subcommittee?
Is
there
such
emotion?
Yes,
commissioner,
Ortiz
makes
that
motion.
Is
there
a
second
seconded
by
commissioner
Ives,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye,
aye,
okay
and
then
in
the
negative?
Okay.
Let's
go
on
to
the
next
item,
commissioner
Ives,
whether
the
charter
should
allow
voting
beginning
at
age
16
in
Municipal
elections.
P
And
this
was
an
item
that
we
were
cracking
the
legislature
in
connection
with
and
ultimately
there
was
no
affirmative
action
allowing
for
that,
and
so
there
was
no
recommendation
being
brought
forward
on
that
in
support
of
that
at
this
point
in
time,
until
there
was
a
change
at
the
legislative
session,
okay.
B
So
that
is
the
subcommittee's
recommendation
is
not
to
bring
this
forward
any
further
than
what
you
all
have
done,
and
is
there
a
second
to
that
motion
seconded
by
commissioner
blondus?
Okay,
let's
take
a
roll
call
on
this
that
we
will
not
be
forwarding
any
recommendation
on
the
age
16.
Yes,
commissioners!
B
C
B
Yes,
okay
and
then
the
last
item
from
this
subcommittee.
This
is
an
item
that
was
brought
forward
by
public
comment
and
was
referred
to
this
subcommittee,
and
that
is
whether
all
bodies
of
city
government,
including
those
established
as
advisory
in
nature,
such
as
committees,
commissions,
special
committees,
task
forces,
Etc,
should
comply
with
the
state's
open
meeting.
Act
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
commissioner
Ives.
Thank.
P
You,
madam
chair.
Yes,
we
had
extensive
discussion
of
this
particular
issue
at
our
last
commission
meeting
and
some
of
the
challenges
of
the
language
in
the
open
meetings.
Act
was
considered
because
there
was
certainly
a
desire,
I
think
by
members
of
the
commission
that,
to
the
extent
it
was
possible
to
allow
for
participation
through
electronic
means,
without
necessarily
the
circumstances
involving
extreme
hardship
or
impossibility
for
that
to
occur.
P
So
we
have
talked
a
bit
about
seeing
if
at
least
my
recollection
of
the
discussion
is
that
we
talked
about
seeing
what
modification
might
be
made
to
the
statement
that
all
commissions
and
bodies,
including
those
which
are
discretionary,
should
be
subject
to
the
open
meetings
act
initially,
that
that
would
be
modified
to
address
the
circumstance
of
the
those
meetings
falling
outside
of
the
open
meetings
act
where
participation
by
electronic
means
could
be
permitted
and
I
had
not
seen
any
redrafted
language.
P
On
that
particular
point
but
and
I
know,
commissioner
Ortiz
had
suggested
simply
sending
the
language
on
do
the
council
and
allowing
them
then
to
look
at
that
particular
issue
at
that
level
and
potentially
make
changes,
as
might
seem
reasonable.
So
those
were
the
two
sort
of
Pathways
forward.
We
don't
have
alternate
language
to
consider
so
I
think
we're
in
the
circumstance
of
moving
the
matter
forward
to
the
council
for
its
consideration
and
Adoption
of
any
modifications
that
would
bring
it
in
line
with
the
law.
P
G
Just
to
the
council,
not
part
of
the
charter.
What
is
the
purpose
of
doing
that,
because
the
law
already
mandates
and
predicts
what
open
medium
thought
should
how
it
should
move
forward?
I
thought
the
question
was:
do
we
want
all
City
meetings
to
be
compliant
with
open
meetings?
I
thought
that
was
the
question.
Initially,
that's.
I
P
Based
on
the
council
from
the
city
councilor
or
the
City
Attorney
at
our
last
meeting
for
those
meetings
where
decisions
are
actually
being
made,
open
meetings
act
clearly
applies,
and
presumably
you
could
only
have
participation
electronically
when
there
is
either
an
impossibility
or
I
forget
the
other
language,
very
difficult
to
import
people
to
attend
in
person.
P
So
those
are
pretty
clear
under
the
law.
So
the
real
question
about
any
modification
related
to
meetings
that
did
not
involve
action
being
taken
I.E
that
would
fall
outside
of
the
open
meetings
act,
and
so
the
recommendation
that
had
been
made
at
the
last
meeting
was
that
those
types
of
meetings
should
all
to
the
extent
possible,
follow
and
be
required
to
follow
open
meetings,
act,
processes
and
procedures,
and
then
we
engaged
in
the
discussion
about
the
capacity
to
engage
in
electronic
attendance.
P
F
So
the
one
of
the
main
concerns
is
that,
under
the
opens,
meetings
act
that
it
is
not
possible
to
have
a
meeting
entirely
virtually
for
meetings
governed
by
that
Arch.
Currently,
as
the
ox
stands,
it
might
be
amended
to
allow
that,
but
currently
there
has
to
at
least
be
part
of
the
meeting
happening
in
person,
and
that
was
difficult
for
some
of
the
boards
to
achieve.
S
Looking
at
the
minutes
and
reading
from
the
minutes
where
there
was
a
rather
long
discussion
that
was
recorded,
we
proposed
to
add
a
statement
to
the
Charter
that
they
shall
be
subject
to
and
comply
with
the
open
meetings
act
and
then
the
discussion
pursued
and
then
at
the
end
commissioner
Ortiz
said
the
language
as
written
could
be
forwarded
on
to
the
counselors
and
they
can
adjust
it
as
they
see
fit.
S
And
then
we
had
more
discussion.
But
emotion
was
made
by
commissioner
Ortiz
seconded
by
granillo
to
include
the
topic
hold
on.
That's
ranked
Choice
I'm.
Sorry
I
was
reading
Beyond.
So
that's.
What's
in
the
minutes,.
B
So
is
there
a
what
I
was
hearing
from
commissioner
Ives
is
that
you
may
be
considering
this
as
a
recommendation
rather
than
a
charter
Amendment,
and
if
you
could
State
what
that
recommendation
would
be
for
the
report
recommended.
P
That
the
city
adopt
for
all
boards
and
commissions,
even
those
involved
in
non-final
action,
applying
the
requirements
of
the
open
meetings,
act
and
the
way
I
would
phrase
it
is
unless
public
participation
by
can
be
increased
through
allowing
electronic
participation
in
attendance.
B
O
B
P
We
could
ask
that
the
the
recommendation
is
that
modifications
to
city
code
be
made
that
would
require
application
of
the
open
meetings
act.
The
meetings
that
are
so.
O
B
It's
for
the
record
commissioner.
Dixon
has
had
to
leave
the
meeting.
G
I
as
well
am
trying
to
understand
the
value
of
this.
If
we're
recommending
to
the
city
council
that
all
boards
and
commissions
comply
with
open
meetings,
I
think
the
law
requires
those
voting
to
comply
with
open
meetings.
Is
this
a
redundant
recommendation?
G
B
F
Chair
long
Commissioners,
the
law
applies
when
it
is
a
decision-making
body,
not
when
it
is
a
recommending
body.
So,
for
instance,
this
committee
is
allowed
to
have
virtual
meetings
now
under
this
amendment.
It
would
not
render
this
recommendation.
It
would
not.
G
Okay,
so
Madam
chair,
there
is
value
because
it's
going
a
little
bit
further
than
what
open
meetings
allows
and
so,
as
a
recommendation,
I
have
no
problem
with
sending
it
forward
as
a
recommendation
that
all
boards
and
commissions
follow
open
meetings.
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
commissioner.
Montoya.
A
I
think
I
get
it
now.
I
will
say
it's
very
hard.
I
was
just
thinking.
I
would
abstain
because
it's
really
hard
to
not
have
information
to
digest
and
sort
of
evaluate
in
advance
and
so
I'm
trying
to
orally
comprehend
everything
that
everybody's
saying
and
make
sure
that
I'm,
votering,
properly
and
I
do
want
to
add
value,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
what
we're
voting
on.
Why
we're
voting
on
it?
And
so
my
understanding
is
that
we're
making
a
recommendation
to
allow
electronic
meetings
that,
by
allowing
opposite
opposites.
B
Probably
the
opposite:
I
guess
I.
My
thinking-
and
this
came
from
this
was
a
public
suggestion
that
came
to
us
and
I
I
feel
like
we've
got
state
law
that
applies
and
we
have
to
comply
with
state
law
for
any
decision-making
bodies
and
I.
Think
what
we
heard
last
time
at
our
meeting
from
the
city
attorney
was
that
even
if
meetings
are
not
held
totally
compliant
with
the
open
meetings
act
because
they're
virtual,
they
still
are
noticed,
they
still
agendas,
are
posted.
B
I
feel,
like
you,
probably
get
more
participation,
not
only
from
those
that
are
on
that
particular
committee
or
commission,
but
for
the
public
you
know
and
I
I,
don't
I,
think
the
city
does
a
good
job
of
that,
so
I
I
would
not
be
in
support
of
a
recommendation
that
they
look
at
having
all
the
Committees
comply
with
the
open
meetings
act.
Unless
public
participation
has
increased
by
having
the
me
the
meeting
virtually
because
I
think
that's
what
they
already
do
is
what
I
heard.
P
P
And
Madam
chair:
that's
why
I
had
suggested
that
that
carva
that
we
had
discussed
so
it
that
would
allow
for
increased
participation,
be
included
in
this
language,
but
we
didn't
get
any
redraft.
So
the
recommendation
would
be
to
adopt
the
language
because
there
were
a
number
of
committees
and
or
been
I
forget
the
ones
that
the
city
council,
City
attorney
identified
that
do
not
follow
the
open
meetings
act,
but
this
would
require
those
two
as
well
but
again
allowing
for
maximum
participation
through
electronic
means.
I
think,
is
an
important
constraint
on
that.
G
It
appears
we
probably
will
be
meeting
one
more
time.
Do
we
want
to
defer
this
one
item
to
our
meeting
next
week
because
it
seems
to
it
seems
to
depend
on
various
viewpoints
on
how
this
might
work
and
without
even
any
language
in
front
of
us.
It's
a
challenge
to
know
what
we're
voting
on
and
I
think
I
mentioned
at
our
last
meeting
or
previous
meetings.
G
As
a
recommendation
of
this
commission
and
let
the
city
councilors
figure
out
the
appropriate
language
that
would
work
in
light
of
the
city
operations
for
Santa
Fe,
but
just
at
least
giving
them
the
indication
that
we
believe
it's
a
good
best
practice
to
apply
open
meetings
to
all
Boards
of
commissions
and
let
them
figure
out
the
language
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
I
said
previously,
and
I
would
support
that
today.
I
would
support
I,
just
I.
B
B
I
feel
like
we
should
probably
take
a
vote
on
this
today,
because
we're
not
going
to
have
time
to
change
the
report
on
Monday
and
it
we
already
have
another
issue
that
I'm
going
to
bring
up.
That
I
mean
we
could
include
it
in
and
not
include
it
in,
depending
on
what
the
budget
I
think.
We
know
what
the
proposal
is,
and
this
would
be
a
recommendation,
not
a
charter
Amendment,
okay,
and
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
So,
let's
vote
on
that.
P
B
I
F
It
is
it's
in
the
it's
in
the
attachments:
I,
don't
know
how
we
got
left
out
of
the
agenda,
but
it
well.
B
So
I
don't
know
that
we
can
vote
on
it
today,
but
why
don't
we?
Why
don't
you
have
a
presentation
on
it
and
let's
have
discussion
and
then
we
may
have
to
vote
on
it
on
Monday.
What's
today
Wednesday,
so
we
can
change
the
agenda
for
Monday
right.
B
Yes,
okay,
let's
add
this
to
the
agenda
for
Monday,
so
we
can
take
a
formal
vote
on
it,
but
why
don't
you
present
it?
Commissioner
I've
said
we
can
have
any
discussion
happy.
P
To
this
is
the
same
proposed
Charter
amendment
that
I
think
we've
been
discussing
at
the
prior
four
or
five
meetings.
So
hopefully
everybody
is
familiar
with
it
and
everybody
has
essentially
agreed
that
we
do
need
to
change
some
of
how
the
charter
review
process
happens
and
so
I'm
not
sure
what
else
I
can
tell
you
that's
new,
because
there's
nothing
new
there
so
happy
to
try
and
answer
any
questions
but
yeah.
P
This
would
be
a
a
an
amendment
to
section
10.01
talking
about
time
frames
and
public
meetings
and
a
budget.
Those
things
that
have
been
discussed.
P
G
Madam,
chair
I
was
going
to
pull
up
the
city.
Charter.
Does
the
language
in
here
that
specifies
the
50
000
budget?
Is
that
part
of
the
current
language?
No?
No
so
I
I
have
a
problem
with
putting
a
budget
number
in
much
harder
and
I
would
prefer
to
leave
that
one
sentence
out
that
talks
about
50
000,
the
budget
fees
I
think
the
intent
of
this
makes
sense,
but
I
I
don't
see
any
need
for
including
an
appropriation
in
the
city
chart.
G
Only
concern
with
this
is
that
number
can
change
on
an
annual
basis
and
it
requires
it
ties
the
hands
of
counselors
that
have
to
budget
every
year.
For
that
amount,
I
I
would
prefer
to
leave.
No
have
no
mention
of
the
budget
amount
in
this
language.
That's
all.
B
The
designated
for
services
to
the
commission.
Yes,
commissioner
ice.
B
P
Wordsmithing
quickly
in
that
sentence,
have
it
read
consistent
with
the
Bateman
act?
The
city
shall
create
and
fund
or
fund
a
budget
adequate
for
the
commission
to
perform
its
functions
period.
G
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
value
of
having
language
in
the
charter
that
talks
about
budgeting
I'm,
not
sure
it's
necessary
and
I.
If
you
could
maybe
convince
me,
I'm,
certainly
open
to
conversation.
S
G
Don't
see
the
need
for
it?
What
are
we
trying
to
assure
that.
Q
Believe
what
we're
trying
to
ensure
is
the
opportunity
to
know
that
when
we
go
into
our
community
spaces
that
we
are
bringing
something
with
us
of
substance,
so
that
does
cost.
If
we
are
going
out
there
to
have
hamburgers
to
discuss
some
of
the
issues
that
we
have
with
individuals.
While
everybody
here
on
the
table
is
not
going
to
chip
in
five
dollars
and
we're
going
to
Sam's
Club.
S
I
think
we've
already
mentioned
budget
or
finance
and
things
in
the
charter
in
another
amendment
that
we're
adding
or
proposing
to
add
so
I
don't
have
such
a
problem
with
that
I
do
see
the
wisdom
of
not
putting
a
dollar
amount
on
it,
but
beyond
that,
I
I
fail
to
see
why
this
would
provide
or
confuse
the
issue.
S
I
think
the
idea
being,
if
we're
going
to
have
a
commission
as
this
states
that
duration
is
no
less
than
a
year,
I
believe
that
there's
going
to
have
to
be
staff
that
participate
and
there
will
be
other
expenses
as
commissioner
granillo
is
talking
about,
and
so
we
have
to
I
think
at
least
make
a
statement
that
there
should
be
funds
available
to
support
the
commission's
work.
I
think
that's
what
what
this
is
about.
It's
about
providing
funds
available
to
support
the
commission's
work
and
I.
S
B
Commissioner
Ives,
would
you
consider
I
you
just
read
the
language
you're
proposing
to
substitute
for
the
50
000..
The
next
sentence
maybe
could
come
out.
It
says.
In
the
event,
any
commission
needs
an
increase
in
the
budget.
The
governing
body
must
approve
a
budget
increase
before
being
made
available.
P
B
J
J
O
I
I
appreciate
the
conversation
we've
just
had
about
the
particular
sentence.
I
want
to
make
a
remark
about
the
whole
thing
we
have
heard
it
as
I
said
earlier:
40,
some
just
shy
of
50
Public
comments,
and
if
this
were
to
be
adopted,
50
would
be
a
small
number.
O
This
not
yet
being
available
to
us.
50
seems
at
least
like
a
significant
number,
but
I,
don't
think
of
anything
in
my
life
where
50
is
significant
and
I
in
the
public
comment.
Many
people,
including
people
at
the
podium
today,
have
said
that
the
shortness
of
time
and
the
truncated
process
that
has
been
imposed
upon
us
has
been
a
remarkable
problem
in
the
process.
O
I
hope
that
the
way
we
interpret
this
in
public
is
that
anybody
who
thinks
that
public
comment
has
been
too
restricted
in
our
experience
of
it.
They
have
no
idea
how
we
feel
about
it
and
that
for
me,
voting
yes
on.
This
is
the
most
significant
vote.
Yes
I'm,
going
to
make
today
and
I'm
I'm
delighted
with
this
or.
B
B
D
B
G
Madam
sure
I
do
have
a
concern
with
the
budget.
Those
those
two
sentences
they
were
taken
out.
I
would
have
no
problem
voting
yes,
but
I
think
you
need
to
take
the
language
starts.
That
starts
with
consistent
with
abatement
and
ending
in
that
second
sentence.
After
that
budget
increase
before
being
made
available,
I
would
vote
for
approval
if
those
two
were
taken
out.
Otherwise,
I
could
not
thank.
P
Don't
care
yes,
just
because
the
Bateman
act,
reference
was
provided
by
the
city
attorney's
office.
Let
me
just
ask:
is
it
significant
to
keep
that.
J
J
Commissioner
Ives,
thank
you,
I
think,
given
with
all
that
Bateman
act,
reference
was
in
the
context
of
those
of
that
version
and
with
all
the
revisions
that
we've
that
this
commission
has
made
as
a
recommendation,
I
think
it's
fine
to
take
it
out
now.
B
All
right
now
we
are
on
to
our
item
for
reconsideration.
So,
commissioner
Pettis
just
to
bring
you
up
to
speed,
we
had
a
long
discussion
and
eventual
vote
on
The
subcommittee's
Proposal
on
the
Agriculture
and
hunger
proposal,
and
there
were
some.
B
That
motion
failed
on
a
4-4
vote,
and
so
that's
why
the
Commissioners
were
concerned,
because
it
was
something
that
you
worked
on,
that
your
voice
be
heard
on
that,
and
so
it
was
brought
back
for
reconsideration
at
this
point
on
the
agenda.
B
So
if
there's
anything
you
would
like
to
add
or
any
questions
you
have
for
us
that
that
is
back
on
for
reconsideration
for
a
reconsideration.
B
E
E
So
the
motion
was
moved
to
send
that
recommendation
as
Charter
language
to
the
commission.
Correct
I
mean
to
the
and.
B
We
did
some
discussion
about
the
correct
version
of
it
because
apparently,
some
of
the
changes
that
were
recommended
that
the
last
meeting
didn't
make
it
into
the
proposal
attached
to
the
agenda,
and
so
we
took
a
break
for
commissioner
Ives
to
retrieve
that
information
off
of
YouTube
and
he
read
us
the
corrected
version.
E
Okay
and
then
so,
the
motion
was
made
to
pass
this
along
as
a
recommendation
for
that
city
council.
To
consider.
E
And
there's
no
alternate
proposal
to
pass
it
along,
like
you
said
to
the
office
of
human
rights
or
if
that
body
is
formed
at
some
point.
E
Be
chair,
I
would
love
to
know
how
my
colleagues
voted
on
that
like
who
voted,
which
way
is
that
something
that
we
could
sure
revisit.
B
We
can
in
support,
was
commissioner
Ives,
commissioner
long
commissioner
granillo
and
commissioner
blondes
and
then
in
opposition
were
Commissioners
Ortiz,
Dixon,
Montoya
and
dear
deck.
E
Thank
you
chair,
and
is
there,
like
a
very
brief
nutshell,
version
of
why
my
colleagues
voted
against
that
Madam.
A
Members
of
the
commission,
I
can
speak
for
myself
and
what
I
said
is
that
the
language
contained
in
the
version
that
we
had
had
many
terms
that
were
not
well
defined
in
my
mind
and
were
very
ambiguous
for
the
governing
body
to
try
to
follow,
and
my
suggestion
was
that
this
be
more
appropriately
a
recommendation
to
the
governing
body
to
suggest
that
the
Human
Rights
Commission
take
up
the
issue
because,
of
course
food
insecurity
should
be
analyzed,
and
food
security
should
be
a
human
right.
A
But
the
language
as
drafted
caused
me
concern
about
what
it
would
really
require.
The
city
to
do
and
I
thought
it
would
be.
Have
an
actual
enforcement
mechanism
to
come
under
the
Human
Rights
Commission,
which
we
voted
to
send
to
the
governing
body
for
consideration.
E
Chair
I
mean
I,
have
my
thoughts,
but
I
am
deferring
to
you
as
far
as
what
the
process
is.
L
Can
you
hold
on
one
second
I
just
wanted
to
say
the
City
attorney
and
I
just
conferred
and
the
chair
cannot
create
a
tie.
L
So
is
you
know
you
vote
when
it's
a
tie
vote
you
vote
in
case
of
a
tie,
no
I
vote
on
every
and
you
vote
on
everything,
but
if
it's,
but
you
cannot
create
a
tie,
is
the
in.
L
The
way
the
city
ordinances
work
so
actually,
that
motion
did
not
fail
on
a
tie.
It
failed
on
the
vote.
F
G
So
Madam
chair,
when
I
made
the
motion
to
reconsider,
consider
I
think
room
was
full
of
Commissioners,
except
for
commissioner
perea,
whom
we
get
us
I'm.
Sorry
Pettis!
Excuse
me,
please
excuse
me,
but
now
we're
missing
one
of
our
board
members
who's
not
here
for
the
reconsideration
votes,
so
that
leads
me
to
believe
I
mean
I
was
trying
to
equalize
and
make
sure
all
of
the
commission
was
here
to
vote.
G
G
I
understand
we
don't
have
to
but
I'm
just
my
intent
was
to
have
the
full
commission
here.
That
was
my
intent.
P
Thank
you,
madam
chair
again.
What
we,
as
a
commission,
are
doing,
are
making
recommendations
to
the
council.
We
are
not
taking
final
action,
that
is
their
bailiwick.
Presumably
to
do
so.
This
is
giving
in
them
an
opportunity
to
weigh
on
in
on
this
particular
matter,
in
a
fashion
that,
at
least
in
much
of
our
discussion
has
been
seen
as
a
a
reasonable
thing
to
do.
The
other
thing
I
would
note
about
referring
it
to
the
Human
Rights
Commission.
P
Is
that
there's
no
guarantee
that
we
don't
have
one
yet
there's
no
guarantee
that
the
city
council
is
going
to
create
one
or
allow
that
to
go
to
the
voters?
I
should
say
so
if
we
delay
that
vote
now
or
make
it
in
favor
of
going
to
a
Human,
Rights
Commission
that
maybe
the
end
of
this
opportunity
at
this
point,
yeah.
B
P
B
A
F
A
E
Your
thoughts,
thank
you,
commissioner,
I
mean
my
thoughts
are
that
this
is
a
very
important
issue
for
our
city
and
something
that
we
do
need
to
to
take
some
steps,
and
we
can't,
just
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
pass
the
buck
and
kick
the
can
down
the
road
and
hope
that
somebody
else
is
going
to
take
this
on.
E
So
I
do
think
that
it's
important
for
us
to
be
having
this
discussions
and
for
us
to
think
that
this
as
a
statement
of
values,
remembering
what
commissioner
I've
said
on
our
last
meeting,
whereas
he
was
talking
about
our
our
founding
documents,
right,
like
as
a
country,
our
founding
documents
that
the
constitution
was
drafted,
but
before
that
it
was
the
Declaration
of
it,
Independence
was
drafted
right
so,
like
that's,
a
statement
of
values
of
vision
and
I
think
that
some
statements
like
that
do
belong
in
our
city.
E
Charter,
and
this
very
well
could
be
one.
Having
said
all
that,
I
think
that
the
way
that
it's
just
very
difficult
to
have
this
be
something
that
is
enforceable
as
we've
been
talking
about
right,
changing
that
child
to
that
should
just
kind
of
takes
all
the
teeth
out
of
it.
So
it
doesn't
there's
no
enforcement
mechanism
or
or
a
way
to
really
push
the
city
to
take
this
seriously,
if
it
says,
should
instead
of
shell.
E
However,
if
we
leave
Shell,
then
that's
just
a
number
of
lawsuits
waiting
to
happen
right,
because
there's
no
way
that
the
city
is
going
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
Fed,
so
I
think
that
I
support
the
idea
of
making
a
recommendation
to
the
council
to
refer
this
to
a
human's
human
rights
Commission,
but
maybe
also
to
really
encourage
them
to
convene
a
Human,
Rights
Commission,
because
issues
like
this
are
of
most
important
to
our
community
and
we
need
to
take
care
of
each
other.
E
We
need
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
the
most
impacted
people
in
our
community
are
being
taken
care
of,
so
that's
kind
of
where
my
mind
is
going
I.
E
If
we
were
to
take
a
vote,
I,
don't
think
that
I
can
support
referring
this
as
a
charter
Amendment,
but
in
whatever
way
we
can
be,
as
you
know,
forceful
as
possible
in
in
making
sure
that
the
council
knows
that
this
is
a
very
important
issue
to
this
commission
that
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversation
about
this
and
that
we
feel
that
that
a
city
appointed
body
should
really
be
taking
this
into
consideration
and
making
some
decisions
about
it.
E
Boy
that
was
a
that
was
a
lot
I
think
we
should
yes,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
the
language
would
be.
E
L
You,
commissioner,
Perez
I'm,
sorry
I
didn't
have
the
microphone
in
my
hand.
You
can
narrow
down
your
motion
to
just
that.
You
want
to
make
a
recommendation
that
this
be
our
proposal
that
this
be
recommended
to
the
governing
body
as
an
item
that
they
would
refer
to
the
Human
Rights
Commission.
L
E
Think
I
would
like
to
make
the
motion
that
we
want
to
send
this
recommendation
to
the
city
council
that
they
refer.
This
to
you
know
to
be
appointed
Human,
Rights
Commission,
and
also
to
strongly
encourage
them
to
appoint,
said
Commission.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
was
actually
trying
to
before
the
motion
was
made.
G
Trying
to
get
recognized
so
I
could
give
a
commissioner
Edith
more
information
because
she
asked
what
our
thinking
was
in
terms
of
how
we
voted
and
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
I
indicated
that
I
felt
the
intent
of
this
policy
was
excellent
and
I
wholeheartedly
support
any
measures
to
remedy
hunger
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
but
I
didn't
feel
that
I
didn't
feel
that
the
this
was
Charter
material
I
felt
that
it
set
unrealistic
expectations
to
the
citizens
in
our
city,
because
it
talked
about
ensuring
and
I
also
felt
that
it
potentially
set
the
city
up
for
a
financial
responsibility
and
also
potentially
litigation
and
I.
G
Didn't
really
believe
that
it
was
a
charter
language
and
that's
why
I
voted
against
it.
Now,
having
the
motion
put
before
us
to
to
send
it
to
the
city
council
as
a
recommendation,
I
could
support
that.
I
I
think
it's
it's.
It
would
not
be
a
problem
if
it's
sent
as
a
recommendation
and
I
wouldn't
even
go
as
far
as,
of
course,
this
emotion
already
as
saying
how
they
should
do
it,
whether
it
should
go
to
Human,
Rights
or
whatever
I
would
just
suggest
it's.
G
It's
a
recommendation
for
them
to
consider
and
address
appropriately
I
think
once
we
start
getting
to
tell
them
how
to
do
this,
it
gets
a
little
bit
more
complicated,
but
I
could
consider
consider
it
being
a
recommendation.
G
Madam
chair,
yes
yeah,
it
was
a
question
to
me.
Yeah
I
would
I
would
ask
for
a
friendly
consideration,
friendly
motion
that
would
forward
this
recommendation
to
the
city
council
for
them
to
address
as
they
deem
appropriate
leave
it
very
simple.
That
would
be
my
suggested
Amendment
to
the
motion.
B
I
think
I'm
going
to
suggest
another
amendment
to
your
motion,
which
was
referring
it
to
the
Human
Rights
Commission,
which
is
something
that
we
had
talked
about
and
then
you
had
added
in
and
strongly
recommend.
They
form
the
Human
Rights
Commission
I.
Think
that
is
a
separate
issue
with
the
Human
Rights
Commission.
So
if
we
could
take,
if
you
would
agree
to
take
that
out
of
your
motion,
that
certainly
makes
it
more
agreeable
to
me.
E
It
yeah
I
I,
understand
the
thinking
there,
but
I
also
think
if
we're
telling
them,
we
recommend
that
you
refer
this
to
a
commission
that
may
or
may
not
ever
exist,
it's
kind
of
like
completely
toothless
as
well
like
there's,
no
nudging
them
to
take
this
seriously
in
any
way.
You
know.
B
But
if
we
we
could
say
Human,
Rights,
Commission
or
other
appropriate
body
or
committee
or
whatever
we
want
to
say
so
if
they
never
form
it,
then
they
have
to
I
mean
they
don't
have
to.
But
we're
recommending
that
some
other
committee
or
the
council
take
it
up.
B
L
To
recommend
the
this
item
to
the
city
council
that
they
and
that
they
would
pass
it
on
I,
have
to
reword
this,
to
the
appropriate
to
the
Human,
Rights
Commission,
or
to
an
appropriate
City
appointed
entity
or
body.
D
O
J
L
L
L
Commissioner
Ortiz,
yes,
commissioner,
no
commissioner
blondes
no.
J
M
B
Commissioner
long
to
go
in
order
because
of
my
vote,
I
guess
chair.
I
L
B
Passes
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
rejoining
us
and
for
your
input
on
this
issue,
commissioner
Pettis,
and
for
everyone's
work
on
that
one
who
knew
that
was
going
to
take
so
much
high
level
thinking
from
us
all,
but
it
did
and
I'm
glad
we
got
to
something.
Are
there
any
Matters
from
staff.
F
Chair
long
I
would
just
remind
everyone
that
our
meeting
on
Monday
is
at
one
and
will
be
virtual.
There's
a
zoom
Link
in
the
agenda
or
there
will
be
a
zoom
Link
in
the
agenda.
The
agenda
isn't
posted
yet,
and
you
can
email
me
if
you
have
any
issues
joining
that.
B
B
You,
yes,
thank
you
for
checking
on
that.
We
want
to
make
sure
we
deal
with
all
of
the
issues.
I
appreciate
everyone's
help.
All
right
matters
in
the
chair,
I
will
just
say
that
we
are
going
to
work
hard
to
get
a
report
together
and
to
get
to
you
in
advance
of
the
our
meeting
on
Monday,
so
that
you
can
vote
on
that
report.
B
I
think
that
there
could
be
some
appendices,
exhibits
some
helpful
items
for
the
council
that
may
have
to
come
after
that
report,
such
as
the
a
red
line,
comparison
version
to
the
existing
Charter,
because
that
has
kind
of
morphed
over
time
and
we've
got
to
go
back
to
the
original,
so
that
main,
that
kind
of
work
may
not
be
done.
B
Bo
will
be
working
on
it
over
the
next
few
days
and
we
may
be
calling
on
all
of
you
I.
We
may
have
questions
and
I
really
would
appreciate
your
help.
If
we
need
to
do
that
and
I.
Thank
you
for
the
all
your
time
and
attention
today.
It
was
a
long
meeting
and
for
the
city
attorneys
and
for
all
of
the
staff
to
bear
with
us
through
this,
but
it
was
a
good
idea
that
you
had
Elizabeth
to
move
us
up,
because
we
could
not
have
been
done
in
two
hours.