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A
A
Thank
you
and
I
apologize.
I
could
not
be
there
in
person
had
a
family
medical
issue
out
of
state
that
we're
dealing
with
so
I
will
be
at
the
next
meeting,
though,
at
this
point,
I
would
like
to
turn
the
meeting
over
to
commissioner
Ives
to
run
the
meeting,
since
we
I
don't
believe
we
normally
have
a
vice
chair
and
I
I
think
it'll
make
for
a
better
run
meeting.
If
someone
there
is
able
to
run
the
meeting
and
Mr
Ives
has
agreed
to
do
so.
C
Our
first
item
of
business
we've
had
the
roll
call,
so
I
believe
that
brings
us
to
item
number
three,
which
is
approval
of
the
agenda.
Were
there
any
changes
from
staff.
C
Apparently,
no
changes
from
staff
any
questions
or
changes
from
members
of
the
commission
there
being
none.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda.
D
C
Have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
further
discussion
there
being
none
all
those,
and
can
we
do
a
a
Voice
vote,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye,
any
abstentions,
very
good.
Our
agenda
is
approved.
That
brings
us
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes
and
though
there
are
the
minutes
from
the
March
30
2023
meeting
of
the
charter
review
commission,
any
changes
from
staff.
C
Seeing
none
are
there
any
changes
from
members
of
the
commission.
C
D
C
Is
there
a
second
second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
March
30th
meeting
of
the
commission.
Any
further
discussion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye.
C
Any
abstentions,
very
good.
Our
minutes
are
approved
from
the
March
30
meeting.
That
brings
us
to
public
comment
and
would
ask
staff
if
there
is
public
comment:
okay,
but
anybody
online
as
well
or.
G
Thank
you.
It's
good
to
see
you
in
in
person.
This
is
our
first
encounter
chair
along
or
I
should
say,
chair
Ives
members
of
oh
Adam,
Johnson
121,
Arroyo,
Honda,
Trail,
87508,
members
of
the
charter
commission.
My
name
is
Adam
Johnson
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
Old
Santa
Fe,
Association
and
I've
written
in
for
several
weeks
now
about
the
issue
of
quasi-judicial
hearings
for
land
use
cases,
I'm
sure
you
are
well
aware.
G
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
consideration
on
this
topic
as
I
understand
from
the
governance
subcommittee
report
attached
to
today's
agenda.
Excuse
me:
the
subcommittee
has
recommended
that
Council
quote:
instruct
the
process
currently
underway
to
revise
chapter
14
of
the
city
code
to
evaluate
and
potentially
incorporate
language
that
allows
Equity
of
input
between
the
public
and
the
applicants.
I
believe
this
is
a
good
course
of
action
in
general
and
I.
G
Look
forward
to
hearing
a
report
on
this
subcommittee's
decision
making
during
this
meeting
respectfully
I
urge
the
second
subcommittee
on
human
rights
and
social
issues
to
take
up
the
proposed
addition
to
the
city,
Charter
I,
believe
such
language
is
appropriate
for
The
Guiding
document
of
the
city.
In
addition
to
the
land
use
processes
explained
in
chapter
14.,
the
charter
will
have
immediate
effect,
whereas
chapter
14
is
a
multi-year
process
with
substantive
changes
being
introduced
in
optimistically
late
2024..
The
adoption
of
recommendations
from
the
chapter
14
consultant
could
feasibly
go
on
another
two
years
into
2026..
G
It
seems
prudent
to
have
a
more
disinterested
body
and
share
fairness
and
land
use
processes
by
providing
guiding
language
for
policy
implementation
in
a
general
way.
Finally,
I
wonder
why
it
wouldn't
be
appropriate
to
include
language
about
parity
and
balance
in
our
city
Charter,
and
to
do
so
immediately.
G
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
about
my
recommendations
and
and
I
really
do.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
I
want
to
note
the
issues
of
public
participation
in
the
2023
Charter
commission.
First
there
of
the
issue
that
only
two
citizens,
few
citizens
have
substantively
contributed
comments
on
such
an
important
topic
as
our
Charter.
G
Second,
even
though
it
is
part
of
my
job
to
interface
with
City
processes,
I
encountered
hiccups
myself
in
the
process
of
participation.
Those
were
mostly
technical
in
nature.
One
week
the
portal
did
not
have
input
for
public
comment
and
I
had
to
submit
directly
to
the
City
attorney.
I
know
how
to
do
that.
No
one
others
may
not.
G
The
next
instance
I
submitted
through
the
portal.
It
did
not
come
through
and
I
had
to
read
my
comment
into
the
record
during
the
public
comment
period
and
this
week,
I
submitted
through
the
portal
again
and
then
checked
it
earlier
and
I
had
a
conversation
with
Miss
fagali
over
email.
Thank
you
for
your
help
on
that,
where
we
determined
that
the
comment
had
not
got
through.
She
allowed
me
to
resubmit
the
comment.
So
there
are
obviously
some
issues
with
the
portal,
in
particular
with
the
charter
commission's
reception
of
comment.
G
G
The
issue
of
public
participation
goes
deeper,
as
was
pointed
out
by
the
reporter
and
I
hope
that
you
all
had
a
chance
to
read
the
issue
that
came
out
yesterday.
As
was
pointed
out
by
the
reporter.
G
Yesterday
quote,
the
group
does
not
have
a
page
on
the
city's
website
and
City
Hall
has
done
little
to
publicize
its
work
for
all
the
community
engagement
sessions
and
Outreach
surrounding
the
city's
Truth
and
Reconciliation
process,
and
the
Redevelopment
of
the
Midtown
campus
City
officials
have
done
little
to
get
local
residents
involved
in
rethinking
the
very
Foundation
of
Santa
fe's
government
end
quote.
They
also
note
the
low
number
of
Citizen
engagement
so
again,
I
pay
attention.
It's
my
job
to
pay
attention
and
and
I
do
think.
G
It's
a
shame
that
more
people
are
not
paying
attention
to
what
you're
debating
and
I
actually
say
that
in
a
strange
way
as
a
compliment
to
you
all,
because
this
is
a
very
professional
considerate
and
intelligent
group
of
thinkers
and
I
appreciate
all
of
the
work
that
you
as
a
commission
have
done
and
for
respectful
consideration
of
my
input.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
Johnson,
and
thank
you
for
your
continued
participation
in
the
process.
It
has
been
I
believe
very
helpful
and
informative
for
the
members
of
the
commission.
Is
there
anybody
who
would
wish
to
make
public
comment?
Please.
E
This
is
a
different
kind
of
discussion.
It's
a
different
Charter!
It's
the
United,
Nations
Charter
and
I've
proposed
in
this
coming
General
Assembly
that
they
will
pass
four
resolutions.
I.
Can
you
know
to
create
under
secretaries
General
to
be
in
Santa
Fe,
not
in
New
York?
So
it's
a
brand
new
idea,
but
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
interesting
news
Switzerland
in
the
last
four
days.
E
The
last
three
days
has
suspended
all
the
vaccines
and
moving
on
to
you
know
where
they
have
these
lists,
of
which
nations
have
been
vaccinated,
and
it's
so
interesting
if
we
start
from
the
bottom
of
the
list,
Burundi
less
than
one
percent,
and
yet
two
presidents
of
Burundi
were
assassinated
because
they
objected
to
the
vaccine
armies
in
their
nation
and
that
the
next
one
was
Haiti
that
that
was
also.
Then
we
go
up
the
list:
Yemen
Papua
New,
Guinea,
Madagascar,
Senegal,
Democratic,
Republic
of
Congo
Syria
Cameroon,
Gabon,
Congo,
Equatorial,
Guinea,
Mali,
Algeria,
Burkina,
Paso
gambian.
E
What
did
they
all
have?
I
mean
they
don't
all
they're,
not
all
from
one
continent
but
they're
from
Africa.
These
are
people
that
didn't
want
to
be
vaccinated.
They
said
no
and
I
wrote
All
28
of
the
no
more
than
that,
actually
about
80
U.N
investors
from
those
poor
Nations
that
the
CEO
of
Pfizer
targeted,
a
CEO
advisor
CEO
of
moderna,
perhaps
unbeknownst
to
you,
are
indicted
for
genocide
in
the
international
criminal
court.
E
So
I
I'm,
quite
capable
of
talking
about
all
this
stuff
for
two
hours,
I'm
only
limited
to
two
minutes,
but
I
just
want
to
formally
introduce
myself
and
let
you
know
if
you
want
to
do
one
thing:
to
advance
the
idea
of
a
United
Nations
branch
in
Santa
Fe
write
a
letter
to
Anthony
blinken
2201c
Street
East,
the
USA's
Secretary
of
State.
The
ZIP
code
is
20250
and
send
a
copy
to
send
a
copy
to
Linda
Thomas
Greenfield.
C
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
down
and
sharing
that
with
us.
Any
other
public
comments
at
this
point
in
time
and
I
assume
there
is
still
nobody
online.
C
H
Thank
you,
Mr
I
I,
never
know
what
to
call
you
Mr
Ives.
H
Chair
I
know
we
have
the
chair
on
TV
up
there
anyway.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity.
I
wanted
to
come
in
front
of
you
to
give
you
a
couple
of
thoughts
it.
The
last
City
Charter
review,
commission
I
actually
had
the
pleasure
of
sitting
in
your
seats,
and
so
I
want
to.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
H
Thank
you
for
the
work
that
you're
putting
into
this
because,
as
other
speakers
have
indicated,
it
is
important
and
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
that
kind
of
from
that
experience,
some
of
the
thoughts
that
we
had
at
the
time
and
how
we
have
arrived,
where
we
are
with
the
current
governance
structure,
we
have
and
I
think
I
I
want
to
encourage
you
to
think
of
the
governance
structure
and
I'm
sure
you
are
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
follow
your
proceedings
closely,
but
certainly
I
think
it's
important
that
you
consider
the
governance
structure
without
regard
to
personalities
that
are
currently
serving
and
just
look
at
the
structure
as
how
you
think
it
would
function
appropriately
without
thinking
about
the
current
personalities
and
the
chairs
that
you
are
occupying
at
the
moment.
H
I
also
would
wanted
to
share
with
you
that
when
we
we
proposed
and
when
the
voters
agreed
that
we
should
have
a
full-time
mayor,
I
think
it
was
because
of
the
experience
that
city
government
had
been
pulled
in
different
directions
without
a
charted
course
forward,
based
on
wherever
five
votes
could
be
found
and
I.
Think
that
has
we
are
seeing
and
we,
with
this
structure,
have
been
trying
to
correct
that
kind
of
lack
of
a
charted
course
right.
We've
had
and
and
I
think.
H
As
a
result,
we
weren't
doing
the
things
we
needed
to
do
in
city
government
to
professionalize
it
to
keep
up
with
20th
21st
century
structures
and
ideas
and
systems,
because
there
wasn't
a
coherent
path
forward,
and
so
I
want
to
encourage
you
not
to
deviate
from
that
path
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
consider
whether
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
do
what
we
couldn't
do
10
years
ago,
which
is
to
take
the
mayor
off
of
the
council
a
future
mayor
off
of
the
council
altogether
and
give
that
mayor
a
veto.
H
Authority
and
perhaps
have
you
know,
I
I
think
Albuquerque
has
a
model
that
that
is
similar
to
this
I
think
the
council.
H
There
elects
a
chairperson
from
among
their
members
and
the
the
mayor
then
can
really
function
as
a
chief
executive
officer
in
a
true
way,
setting
the
course
for
the
direction
of
the
city
and,
of
course,
working
with
the
council
have
to
work
with
the
council
to
get
buy-in
on
whatever
that
agenda
is
in
terms
of
moving
it
forward,
and
so
I
don't
know
where
you
are
and
all
of
that,
but
I
I
did
want
to
come.
I
heard
there
was
an
opportunity
that
you
would
be
hearing
from
counselors.
H
It
was
rather
ad
hoc,
I
heard
about
it
this
afternoon
and
I
just
wanted
to
come
and
share
those
thoughts,
and
my
experience
oh
and
then
one
other
thing
I
also
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
it
is
my
intention
to
bring
back
a
resolution
with
other
counselors
to
create
an
office
of
equity
and
inclusion.
You
may
be
aware
that
we
did
have
a
resolution.
We
did
pull
it
back.
H
That
does
not
mean
by
any
means
that
we
don't
see
that
as
something
that
we
need
in
the
city
and
want
to
go
forward
with
so
I
I
I.
It
is
my
intention
to
bring
back
an
office
of
equity
and
inclusion,
and
it
may
not.
You
know
what
it
looks
like
and
how
we
do
it
is
is
something
we're
we're
talking
about
so
I
don't
know
that
it's
going
to
be
an
add-on.
Maybe
it's
something
that
we
start
small
with
internally.
H
Maybe
it's
you
know,
I,
don't
think
it's
the
seven
hundred
thousand
dollar
add-on
office
that
was
talked
about,
but
I
do
think
we
want
to
come
back
with
a
resolution.
It
will
provide
Direction.
It
will
be
based
and
I
think
on
some
of
the
recommendations
of
the
chart
report
and
probably
a
home
for
the
chart.
H
Reports
work
but
I
I
thought
you
should
know
that,
because
I
think
our
introduction
of
that
resolution
may
take
a
little
longer
than
perhaps
the
window
of
opportunity
where
your
work
is
happening
so
anyway,
again,
thank
you
for
your
service
really
appreciate
the
work.
You're
doing
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
tonight.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you
very
much
councilwoman
Romero
worth
and
for
your
prior
service
on
the
last
Charter
review.
Commission.
I
You
counselor
I,
spilled
the
beans
to
counselor
Romero
worth
about
a
counselor
time
today,
there's
just
a
couple
of
things
that
I
wanted
to
come
and
speak
about.
One
of
them
is
on
elections
and
how
the
terms
go
for
counselors
in
their
elections,
specifically
counselors
that
run
for
mayor,
while
they're
a
sitting
counselor.
I
It's
my
belief
and
I'll.
Give
you
a
couple
of
reasons.
Why
I
believe
this?
That,
if
a
council,
a
sitting
counselor
decides
to
run
for
mayor
I,
think
they
should
give
their
seat
up
the
way?
It's
structured
Now,
you
kind
of
have
two
classes
of
counselors,
because
our
elections
are
every
two
years
and
terms
are
four
years.
I
The
mayor
that
starts
is
it's
not
always
certainly
I
served
with
counselor
Ives
and
he
was
in
the
last
election
before
and
ran
against.
Current
mayor,
Weber
and
counselor
Ives
retained
his
seat
and
he
worked
tremendously
with
the
new
Administration
and
he
was
a
perfect
gentleman.
I
And
presented
every
roadblock
possible
to
the
next
Administration
I
think
that
starting
a
new
Administration
is
hard
extremely
hard
and
I.
Don't
think
that
you
need
to
have
a
council
that's
stacked
with
people
that
have
been
there
that
are
working
against
you
now.
The
other
side
of
that
is
say
that
counselor
runs
the
sitting.
Counselor
runs
and
they
win.
I
So
there's
no
part
of
that
that
I'm
particularly
comfortable
with,
in
fact
I'm
really
uncomfortable
with
it
I
wish
that
this
commission
would
give
deep
consideration
to
what
that
means
to
incoming
administrations.
New
mayors
makes
a
lot
of
difference.
I
One
was
very
smooth
and
the
other
didn't
have
nearly
the
cooperation
from
the
get-go
that
they
deserved.
B
I
The
only
other
little
thing
I'm
going
to
comment
on
is
I,
did
read
the
reporter
this
week
and
I
I.
Just
think
that
some
of
the
items
that
I've
seen
being
considered
by
the
charter
commission
are
not
the
purview
of
the
charter.
Commission
I
think
that
their
policy
of
the
city,
one
of
them
being
talking
about
a
charter
Edition
on
protection
of
Agriculture
and
I
I,
have
to
tell
you
that
I
was
here.
I
I
think
councilor
Ives
was
here
also
when
we
went
through
a
long
process
with
a
garden
that
was
here
in
the
past
and
our
land
use
department
and
our
land
use
director
spent
an
inordinate
amount
of
time
dealing
with
a
gardening
situation
that
was
illegal,
unreasonable
to
a
neighborhood
using
water
inappropriately,
and
we
spent
a
huge
amount
of
time
on
that.
I
only
say
that,
because
it
was
used
as
an
example
in
the
article
but
I
don't
think
that
positions
on
agriculture
are
really
the
purview
of
a
charter.
I
I
think
that
those
are
policies
that
councils
can
choose
to
pick
up
and
run
with
talk
about
and
make
decisions
on.
So
those
are
the
comments
that
I
have
I
I
I
haven't
been
to
meetings.
I
saw
the
article
I
do
have
very
strong
feelings
about
giving
a
new
administration
every
opportunity
to
go
forward,
but
also
not
having
the
opportunity
to
stack
the
deck
and
be
appointing
counselors.
So
those
are
my
comments
for
today,
thanks
for
the
work
that
you
do.
Thank
you
chairman
long
and
thank
you
councilorize
for
letting
me
speak.
A
C
A
J
J
I'm
glad
you
enjoy
it
well,
thank
you
so
much
chair,
long
I'm,
assuming
Vice,
chair,
Ives
or
maybe
just
substitute
chair
for
the
day.
J
Thank
you
so
much
for
for
serving
on
this
really
important
commission
and
for
really
considering
the
structure
of
our
government.
I
know
that
it
is
not
easy.
There
are
a
lot
of
questions
that
the
three
of
us
were
actually
involved
in
the
writing
of
the
res
resolution,
ordinance
legislation
that
established
this
commission
and
pose
some
of
those
questions.
As
usual,
my
brilliant
colleagues
have
already
covered
a
lot
of
the
topics
that.
G
J
Are
important
but
I
will
go
ahead
and
reiterate
some
and
add
some
new
ones,
as
councilor
mayor
worth
discussed.
I
think
that
looking
at
our
government
structure
is
something
that's
really
interesting.
We
have
this.
This
fascinating,
hybrid
right
now
and
I
think
that
there
is
a
component
of
looking
at
the
balance
of
power.
Do
we
take
the
mayor
off
and
provide
veto
power
overturned
by
two-thirds.
J
You
know
whatever
the
case
may
be,
but
looking
at
how
we
really
can
perhaps
separate
the
legislative
and
executive
branches
and
provide
some
more
opportunities
for
interaction
between
the
two
in
a
way
that
is
almost
forced,
because
in
order
to
get
anything
done,
those
two
areas
are
going
to
need
to
come
together.
While
I
think
there
is
an
improvement
from
what
I
heard.
The
past
looked
like
with
being
able
to
kind
of
drag
the
city
in
either
direction.
Wherever
you
could
find
five
votes.
J
We
do
still
come
to
the
place
where
we
find
five
votes,
and
so
that's
a
something
that
I'd
really
like
to
see
how
that
can
be
massaged,
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
structure
and
a
little
bit
more
clarity,
as
well
as
provide
some
more
opportunity
for
the
city
council
to
have
a
have
some
more
power.
I
think
that
there
can
sometimes
be
some
power
imbalances
and
how
we
can
look
at
where
the
council
can
really
exert
their
power
and
the.
B
J
Three
years
there
have
definitely
been
some
moments
of
of
kind
of
this
question
of.
Does
the
council
have
the
authority
to
do
this?
Does
the
mayor
have
the
authority
to
do
this,
and
so
some
clarity
in
those
areas,
I
think
helps
all
of
us
work
better
and
we
don't
have
to
spend
time
having
these
conversations
in
Council
as
to
whether
or
not
the
thing
that
is
being
done
is
allowed
to
be
done
by
the
people
that
are
doing
it.
J
The
other
thing
that
I
would
add-
and
this
this
really
piggybacks
well
off.
This
is
the
workload
of
a
counselor.
J
This
is
not
stated
as
a
part-time
position,
but
definitely
build
is
one
and
I
have
to
tell
you
as
one
of
the
counselors
that
does
not
have
another
paid
job.
I
am
a
single
mom,
so
I'm
gonna
say
I
do
have
another
job,
but
I
do
not
have
another
employer
other
than
my
four
and
a
half
year
old,
who.
J
Quite
the
boss,
but
it
really
I,
you
know
I'm
constantly
behind
anyway,
keeping
up
with
the
emails,
a
number
of
events
that
I
need
to
go
to
the
amount
of
reading,
and
so
whether
that
is
a
matter
of
making
this
a
full-time
position,
so
individuals
are
actually
paid
for
the
hours
that
they
are
working
and
or
providing
staff
to
the
council
and
the
ability
for
the
council
to
really
analyze
legislation.
We've
had
this
conversation
recently
with
the
budget
that
the
council
does
not
have
a
finance
staff.
J
We
do
not
have
staff
that
can
really
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
proposals
that
we
might
want
to
make
with
changes
to
the
budget
and
make
sure
that
we
are
making
sound
decisions.
I
know
that
is
something
that's
very
important
for
me.
Is
that
I
don't
want
to
propose
something
unless
I
truly
understand
what
the
impact
is
to
the
best
of
my
ability
and
not
necessarily
having
our
own
staff,
can
sometimes
hinder
that
process.
J
So
I
think
that
that
is
another
area.
That
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
take
a
look
at
if
this
is
still
a
good
practice
that
counselors
can
can
continue
to
serve,
even
if
they
run
for
mayor
and
lose
do
not
lose
and
and
what
the
different
scenarios
might
look
like
and
how
we
would
address.
Those
I
believe
that
is
all
I
have
to
say
for
now.
If
there
are
any
other
questions,
you
all
have
about
any
of
the
proposals
that
we
put
forth
the
questions
that
we
put
forward.
C
You
very
much
for
coming
this
evening
and
and
speaking
to
us,
it
is
fabulous
having
members
of
our
city
council
here
as
well
as
members
of
the
the
public
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
more
full
sessions
we
have
had
in
the
audience
and
that
always
makes
it
much
more
exciting.
Being
up
on
this
side
of
the
die
so
and
I
I've
used
both
the
term
counselor
and
councilwoman,
never
sure
which
is
correct.
So
please
forgive
me
if
I
have
committed
any
gaps
in
that
regard.
C
But
again,
thank
you
for
being
here
so
I
think
we
have
concluded
items
5A.
The
public
comment
and
five
b
e
comments
from
counselors,
which
brings
us
to
item
number
six
on
the
agenda,
which
is
discussion
and
first
up,
is
our
proposals
by
the
subcommittee
on
governance
issues
and
the
financial
audit.
K
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
Ives,
and
thank
you
particularly
to
counselors
and
Mr
Johnson,
because
it
is
fortunate
that
the
item
where
I'm
going
to
be
reporting
on
this
document
comes
right
after
hearing
from
all
of
you,
because
each
of
your
comments
pertain
to
some
comment
that
I
need
to
report
and
I
I
think
what
I
want
to
do
is
refer
the
commissioners
to
the
piece
that
we
started
writing
six
or
seven
weeks
ago.
K
It
has
gone
through
several
versions
and
at
the
present
what
has
been
posted
is
of
version
13.,
that's
not
to
say
that
version
14
isn't
in
a
draft
form
pending
the
consequence
of
this
meeting,
but
I've
discovered
that
if
I
don't
get
ahead
of
the
game
I'm
behind
and
so
that's
how
that
works
in
version
13.
K
If
Commissioners
are
looking
at
it,
you
will
notice
that
at
our
last
meeting
we
looked
at
version
12.,
and
in
that
case
there
was
a
long
list
of
marginal
notes
about
amendments
that
we
were
considering.
K
That
Commissioners
had
asked
us
to
discuss
and
we
did,
and
so
the
marginal
notes
in
version
version
13
also
seen
voluminous,
and
that
is
only
because
we
struck
out
all
those
we
discussed
last
two
weeks
ago
and
started
over
with
the
questions
that
you
folks
asked
us,
and
so
the
the
questions
on
the
right
hand,
margin
are
all
new,
and
those
of
you
who
were
at
the
last
meeting
will
recognize
them.
We
attended
to
each
of
them
and
made
adjustments
as
we
saw
as
we
thought
we
should
I.
Think
now.
A
K
I,
don't
know
what
the
accepted
Protocols
are
Peter
and
so
I'm
I'm
going
to
defer
to
you
when
it
comes
time
to
deal
with
process
and
I'm.
If,
if
we
get
to
an
item
as
I'm
expecting
to
where
I
am
reporting
on
something
that
one
of
the
counselors
has
just
discussed,
can
we
be
sufficiently
informal
so
that
I
can
ask
that
person
to
come
back
to
the
microphone
and
and
enter
into
a
colloquy
with
me
about
that.
C
F
Mr
I
was
Commissioners,
I
I
think
it
would
just
be.
It
would
revert
to
Robert's
rules
in
terms
of
that
and
I'm
not
sure
that
that
would
be
prevented.
So
we
don't
have
you
know
public
hearing
rules
for
this
commission,
so
this
would
say
that
whatever
we
do
now
and
you
should
probably
do
it
consistently
going
forward,
yeah.
K
The
the
first
presentation
that
I
think
needs
to
be
discussed
here
is
that
commission,
counselor
Romero
worth
you'll
be
happy
to
know
that
as
long
as
maybe
eight
weeks
ago,
at
least
six
weeks
ago,
we
began
drafting
the
document,
that's
being
discussed.
Now
we
saw
the
referral
from
the
council,
which
referred
to
separation
of
powers
at
the
conclusion
of
one
of
the
several
items.
K
10
items
were
referred.
Two
of
them
were
carbon,
copies
of
one
another,
more
or
less.
How
do
you
devise
the
role
of
the
mayor
and
then
how
do
you
devise
the
separation
of
powers
in
terms
of
the
role
of
the
mayor?
Those
were
two
times
we
consider
both
of
them
together
and
we
began
by
noticing
that,
as
the
charter
had
been
it's,
it's
actual
organization
of
topics
in
sequence,
seemed
to
lend
the
confusion.
K
K
So
what
we
did
is
we
looked
at
the
way
Civics
is
taught
to
Americans
throughout
the
country
that,
when
powers
are
to
be
balanced,
they
need
to
be
separated
when
Powers
need
to
be
separated.
The
next
question
is:
how
are
they
balanced?
You
really
cannot
be
effective
in
discussing
one
without
the
other.
K
K
K
So
we
have
two
branches
of
government.
We
want
to
separate
and
balance
and
the
text
that
we
have
basically
does
Carol
what
you
just
described
and
we've
been
pulling
and
Hauling
about
fine
detail
for
six
weeks.
K
K
The
way
you
framed
your
comment
and
I
think
you
see
in
our
material
that
a
majority
of
our
subcommittee
felt
that
we
should
not
proceed
in
the
direction
that
was
requested
in
the
referral
and
that
we
trust
people
to
take
full
stock
of
the
behavior
of
their
electives
and
then
act
accordingly.
The
next
time
the
polls
are
open.
K
K
Oh,
that
was
true,
so
say
the
reason
I
asked
counselor
Ives.
K
That
puts
the
shoe
on
the
other
foot
and
I
simply
invite
all
of
us
to
consider
doing
it.
That
way,
as
opposed
to
setting
in
a
constitutional
document
the
expectation
that
we
would
get
a
letter
of
resignation
on
account
of
a
loss.
K
I
Thank
you.
Let
me
try
to
clarify
and
the
sentence
is
you
just
stated
that
a
person
would
need
to
resign
previous.
I
I
They
should
give
up
their
seat
prior
to
the
election,
so
their
constituents
can
elect
someone
to
that
seat.
That's
what
seems
fair
to
me
that
they
would
I'm
gonna
run
for
mayor
if
I
win
terrific,
if
I,
don't
I
gave
up
my
seat
to
do
this
and
it's
fair
to
my
constituents
that
they
would
be
able
to
elect
someone
to
that
seat.
So
that's
my
point
a
little
a
little
different
than
how
it
was
stated
in
the
document
that
came
to
the
commission
from
the
council.
I
B
A
A
You
make
a
choice
which,
as
as
the
counselors,
are
stating
it,
you
make
a
choice
as
to
which
office
you
want
to
run
for,
and
that
way
the
vacant
office
can
be
put
on
the
on
the
ballot,
and
that
would
take
care
of
the
issue
of
a
new
mayor
appointing
and
having
the
power
to
appoint
or
a
vacancy
that
occurs
after
the
mayoral
election.
A
So
I
think
it's
it's
reframed
now
in
terms
of
the
concerns,
at
least
that
we're
hearing
tonight
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
C
Thank
you
for
that
that
clarity,
I
appreciate
that
and
counselor
thank.
J
Are
we
saying
that
somebody
has
to
give
up
their
seat
in
May,
so
they
would
serve
the
rest
of
that
year?
Okay,
that
was
my
concern
because
I
was
like
well,
then
who's
gonna,
never
mind
I,
guess
so
that's
important.
They
would
serve
the
rest
of
their
term
and
then
they
would
vacate
their
seat
come
January
1st,
but
at
that
same
time
the
public
would
know
that
if
they
want
to
run
for
that
seat
they
would
be
able
to
line
themselves
up
to
do
so.
Okay,
never
mind
complexities,
clear.
J
J
Correct
so
yeah,
so
they
would,
if
they
got
their
packet
in
may,
they
won
or
lost.
December
31st
is
their
last
day
as
a
counselor
January
1st
they're,
either
a
mayor
or
a
private
citizen.
Again
thank.
C
You,
commissioner,
if
I
met
before
you
continue,
commissioner
Ortiz
has
a
question.
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
do
have
a
question.
It's
a
clarifying
question,
probably
directed
to
our
attorneys
as
I'm.
Listening
to
the
dialogue
in
the
conversation,
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
process
because
I'm
a
you
know
me
I'm,
a
processed
person
I
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear
so
that
we
all
are
on
the
same
page,
going
in
the
same
direction.
D
F
Yeah
chair
long,
commissioner
Ives,
commissioner
Ortiz.
We
have
made
changes
to
the
Charter
outside
of
the
charter
review
commission,
primarily
most
recently
in
relation
to
adopting
the
local
election
act
and
some
changes
that
were
related
to
that.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
they
would
have
to
come
from
the
charter
review.
Commission
I
will
double
check
that
there's
no
limitation
like
for
this
moment
in
time,
but
I
wouldn't
see
why
that
would
exist.
F
D
Thank
you
attorney.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
I
raised
the
question,
because
what
the
commission
may
recommend
in
a
subject
area
that
you
all
have
asked
us
to
look
at
May,
not
be
exactly
what
you're
hoping
to
see,
but
you
obviously
have
the
authority
to
adjust
that
and
move
forward
with
that,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
we
were
not
stifling
your
ability
to
do
anything
that
whatever
we
did
was
just
a
suggestion
and
an
idea,
and
perhaps
a
no
different
option
that
you
may
have
considered.
D
That
would
help
you
in
looking
at
what
we
recommend
and
then
looking
at
your
practice
and
how
things
have
worked
and
and
to
determine
what
the
best
matter
is.
So
I
just
wanted
that
clarification,
because
I
I
see
us
moving
forward
with
a
lot
of
ideas
that
may
or
may
not
fit
today,
with
the
thought
of
what
the
counselors
would
like
to
see.
But
I
also
know
that
we
still
have
not
had
public
comment.
D
We
still
want
to
do
some
of
that
and
we
still
have
to
look
at
the
entire
pieces
of
our
document
as
a
whole,
because
I've
been
part
of
one
two
different
subcommittees.
We
Consolidated
into
one
and
we've
been
looking
units
sections
of
this
Charter
and,
as
I
was
reading
through
them.
Yesterday
as
a
whole,
it
looks
a
little
different
when
you
read
the
whole
thing
as
opposed
to
just
pieces
and
so
I
know.
D
This
is
a
fluid
document
and
I
know
we
still
as
a
commission
will
have
opportunities
to
add
to
it
or
change
it,
and
then
the
public
comments
in
my
mind.
Hopefully
we
can
get
some
way
heavily
on
on
my
decision,
so
I
would
hope
that
we
do
get
some
comments
and
then
that
we
forward
once
at
the
very
end
after
we
get
it
all
together
to
the
to
the
councils,
but
I
just
wanted
that
clarification,
because
now
I
I
really
appreciate
the
process.
K
All
right
I,
this
somewhat
long
conversation
has
helped
me
I,
know,
and
maybe
others,
because
we
had
not
had
an
opportunity
to
interact
between
the
two
bodies
and
that
has
added
a
lot
of
light
to
this
discussion.
K
I
I
I
think
the
hour
is
getting
late
and
we
have
the
other
committee
that
we're
going
to
need
to
look
at
as
well.
I
thought
at
one
point
that
I
would
go
through
the
questions
you
all
asked
at
the
last
meeting
and
point
to
the
answers.
I
only
want
to
remind
you
that
on
that,
in
that,
in
one
case
there
was
the
question
of
how
do
we
frame
the
details
about
a
provision
regarding
the
mayor's
veto
and
Peter.
K
You
asked
me
a
question
about
that
during
the
meeting
in
the
last
meeting
and
we've
discussed
that
and
it
turns
out
in
the
model
City
Charter.
There
is
quite
a
passage
about
it
and
we
read
that
carefully.
I
found
some
other
examples,
and
in
doing
so,
it
became
very
clear
that
we
should
put
in
the
document
a
marker
in
the
section
with
regard
to
the
duties
of
the
mayor
and
another
marker.
K
In
the
section
with
regard
to
the
override
duties
of
the
council,
but
then
Pat
was
very
helpful
in
saying
that,
if
indeed
the
body
agreed
to
that
and
that's
the
direction
that
we
wanted
to
go,
that
would
be
considered
a
directional
decision
and
then
council
could
add
what
few
sentences
may
be
necessary
in
order
to
make
a
thorough
provision
in
each
case
that
we
amateurs
were
really
not
prepared
to
go
into
that
level.
Detail
that
may
be
necessary
in
the
charter.
K
On
the
other
hand,
I
did
find
a
charter
from
a
city
in
Ohio,
where
the
discussion
of
exactly
how
you
veto
and
how
you
override
The
veto,
went
to
two
pages
all
by
itself
and
that
doesn't
smell
like
Santa
Fe
at
all,
so
I'm
I'm,
just
letting
you
know
that
the
way
the
subcommittee
is
dealing
with
that
question
is
to
proceed
with
it.
We
think
it's
the
right
way
to
divide
the
two
institutions,
the
Executive
Branch
from
the
legislative
branch.
K
K
It's
it's
Unique
among
all
our
paragraphs,
in
that
we
did
not
do
fine,
editing
or
fine
drafting
of
material
that
we
just
don't
feel
equip
professionally
equipped
to
draft.
K
On
those
two,
there
is
a
reference
in
the
present
Charter
to
the
finance
committee
and
Peter.
You
asked
if
we
had
a
reference
at
the
finance
committee,
wouldn't
we
consider
as
adding
Public
Works
I
remember
making
that
request.
K
Our
Council
entered
into
a
discussion
with
us
and
we
saw
the
wisdom
of
making
its
clear
and
certain
that
Committees
of
the
council
are
Theirs
to
manage
and
the
charter
usurps
prerogatives
that
should
remain
in
a
strong
Council
when
the
council
determines
its
committees,
determines
the
roles
and
behavior
of
its
committees,
May
readjust
them
at
some
time
and
expecting
the
council
to
go
back
to
the
public
in
a
municipal
election
to
concur
or
not
concur
with
what
the
council
wants
to
do
to
its
own
internal
committee
structure
is,
as
I
say,
to
usurp
the
role
of
the
council
and
becomes
monstrously
unwieldy.
K
So
we
took,
we
went
in
the
opposite
direction
in
the
direction
you
were
headed
and
that
was
to
strike
references
to
internal
Council
committees
out
of
the
charter.
Now
the
the
charter
does
refer
to
a
committee
that
the
public
votes,
the
city
shall
have,
and
that's
the
committee
on
internal
audit,
the
independent
committee
on
internal
audit-
that's
a
different
story.
K
That
is
not
the
internal
management
by
the
Council
of
the
council's
business,
so
those
are
two
places
where
a
decision
on
a
strategic
matter
affected
two
citations
in
the
document
and
I
bring
that
to
your
attention,
because,
because,
as
I
was
editing,
the
document
I
missed
one
of
them
and
so
in
version
14,
that's
still
in
my
computer.
K
You
will
see
that
I've
corrected
that
error
of
mine
I
enjoy
making
errors.
That's
why
I
do
it
so
often
I
think
I
will
leave
it
there
I
think
Mr
Johnson
did
request
a
rejoinder
and
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
K
Sir,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
being
here,
sir,
we
did
Place
the
the
text
that
you
suggested
in
the
commentary
so
that
when
the
council
sees
it,
the
council
may
choose
to
do
it
differently
than
we've
proposed
number
one
or
may
choose
to
engage
the
chapter
14
of
the
code
process,
with
your
text
in
front
of
them
verbatim.
K
I
appreciate
your
comment
about
the
awkwardness
of
the
time,
circumstance
and
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how
to
deal
with
that,
but
the
the
text
that
you
proposed
asked
would
it
would
enjoin
the
process
to
attend
to
due
process
fundamentally,
and
that
is
so
firmly
ensconced
in
law
that
we
are
reluctant
to
add
it
into
a
into
the
city's
Constitution,
where
it's
already
a
matter
of
law
in
the
state
of
New
Mexico.
K
Now
whether
or
not
entities
follow
the
law
is
a
separate
question
entirely,
but
that
would
be
just
as
separate
if
it
were
in
the
charter
or
anywhere
else.
So
that's
the
nature
of
our
thinking
and
if
we,
if
we
have
misunderstood
the
importance
in
some
way
being
it
would
be
an
ongoing
conversation
about
that.
But
I
wanted
to
be
clear
with
you
about
how
we
got
to
the
conclusion
that
we
got
and
Aaron
I
I
do
think
it.
K
It
matters
to
us
this
question
of
when
a
principle
is
stated
in
law.
K
Do
we
or
do
we
not
recapitulate
that
in
a
charter
in
general
we
choose
not
to
because
of
advice?
We
think
we
have
gotten,
but
maybe
we
misunderstood.
F
Chair
long,
commissioner
Dyrdek,
if
you're
talking
about
a
city
ordinance,
then
the
chat,
the
charter
would
overrule
it.
So
state
law
it
might
depend
on
the
type
of
law
or
what
it
says
in
the
context.
So.
F
K
The
the
provisions
that
Mr
Johnson
has
referred
to
us
have
to
do
with
do.
Do
we
follow
due
process.
F
Commissioner
I
think
Mr
Johnson
is
suggesting
giving
additional
process
to
folks
who
wouldn't
typically
have
access
to
it.
F
F
What
right
is
that
issue
so
I
think
the
idea
of
giving
equal
rights
to
property
owners
and
non-property
owners
would
definitely
be
potentially
illegal
issue
that
wouldn't
be
permissible.
F
I'm,
not
sure
it's
been
litigated
in
New
Mexico,
but
generally
the
process
that
is
due
depends
on
what
rights
are
at
issue.
So
the
concern
I
have
about
the
current
proposal,
although
I
have
not
delved
into
it
significantly
is
that
it
suggests
that
you
would
give
folks
who
do
own
property.
The
same
rights
as
or
would
live
would
give
rights
to
folks
who
do
not
own
property,
the
same
rights
as
to
those
who
do.
K
Yeah
you
you're,
a
member
of
the
public,
is
trying
to
get
your
attention.
I
understood.
C
G
Thank
you
and
I
and
I
chair
Ives
tonight,
chair
long
on
Zoom
members
of
the
charter.
Commission,
commissioner
Dyrdek
I
appreciate
that
you
added
the
text
into
the
document,
so
I
just
want
to
start
by
saying
that
and
I
recognize
that
this
is
an
issue
that
is
ongoing
in
Santa
Fe.
It
will
not,
it
will
I
I,
don't
foresee
it
to
just
magically
disappear,
and
if
you
look
at
the
policy
statements
in
section
two
of
the
city
Charter,
there
are
statements
that
well.
G
The
section
is
called
policy
policy
statements,
but
that
our
specific
and
probably
covered
under
state
law,
in
other
instances
better
reaffirmed
in
the
charter,
so
I'm
asking
for
consideration
of
affirming,
and
this
I
would
very
flexible
in
how
this
gets
implemented.
It
could
be
part
of
the
cultural
and
neighborhood
preservation,
ordinance,
for
example,
where
there
are
where
there
is
a
recognition
that
Santa
fe's
historic
character
and
attractiveness
as
an
entity
that
supports
the
local
economy.
That
is
in
consideration
of
environmental
concerns
such
as
Water
Resources.
G
Things
like
that
that
development
issues
do
contain
a
matter
of
public
concern.
I
think
we'd
all
agree
on
that.
If
you
know
that's
why
we
have
Zone
zoning
that
has
specific
specifications
for
what
goes
where
right,
there's,
not
strip
clubs
I
mean
anywhere
in
town,
there's,
not
a
mall.
You
know
on
the
historic
East
Side
et
cetera,
so
my
initial
commentary,
lengthy
commentary
on
this-
was
about
exceptions
and
variances
I'm.
G
Not
necessarily,
you
know,
I
think
it
is
the
property
rights,
the
property
owners
rights
are
typically
upheld
when
they
are
following
the
zoning
that
is
stated.
Chapter
14
is
going
to
change
those,
so
I
am
wary
to
change
them.
Alongside
of
the
zoning
across
town,
that's
a
stated
goal
of
the
council
in
in
that
process.
So
that's
why
I
think
that
it's
enshrinement
in
the
charter
and
again
the
language
is.
G
K
Thank
you
Sirens.
It's
enlightening
to
hear
you,
commissioner,
I,
unless
there
are
questions
that
commission
members
have
brought
on
other
lines
in
the
text,
I
I
think
I
should
leave
it
there
and
ask
my
other
two
committee
members.
If
they
want
to
expound
anything
in
particular,
but.
G
D
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair
and
I,
just
have
to
say:
I
am
very
grateful
for
Mr
Dyrdek's
work.
He
has
worked
tirelessly
putting
all
this
together.
I
cannot
count
the
number
of
versions
that
we
have
dealt
with.
It
is
quite
considerable
I.
Thank
you
for
all
the
work.
D
It's
done
a
really
great
job
and
I
appreciate
that,
because
I've
done
that
before
and
I
know
what
it's
like
so
but
I
do
want
to
make
a
comment
simply
on,
and
it's
not
something
I
want
to
go
into
detail
now,
but
you
mentioned
you
brought
it
up.
D
That
I
would
like
us
to
read
the
whole
document
and
whole
because
I
think
we're
adding
the
financial
management
the
budgeting,
the
auditing
in
there
to
strengthen
the
charter
and
by
taking
that
finance
committee
out,
that's
already
been
there
and
working
is
my
understanding.
Their
work
encounter
at
this
point,
I'm,
looking
at
making
sure
that
we
include
still
keep
the
finance
committee
in
there
and
add
the
Audits
and
the
finance
and
the
budget.
D
A
I
do
want
to
thank
the
subcommittee
immediately,
commissioner
deerdach.
It's
really
evident
the
amount
of
work
that
he
has
put
into
these
proposals
and
research
by
the
entire
subcommittee,
and
so
I
really
do
want
to
thank
you
for
that
hard
work.
A
I
did
want
to
ask
a
question
and
make
a
request,
and
the
question
is:
if
you
would
explain
for
me
again
how
the
mayor
participates
in
Thai
votes,
just
the
logistics
of
that
and
how
that
works,
and
then
the
mayor's
role
in
attending
quasi-judicial
hearings
and
why
it
was
felt
that
he
would
be
included
in
those
hearings
or
what
the
reasoning.
B
A
K
Thank
you
I
thought
that
the
orig
that
the
text
where
we
had
the
discussion,
of
course,
the
judicial
participation.
K
K
K
Another
of
the
mayoral
duties
is
to
break
Thai
votes
in
the
council.
How
might
that
actually
occur
in
Practical
terms
that
occurs
to
us
that
there
are
several
means,
and
we
suggest
three
ways
that
the
council
could
handle
that
one,
the
counselor,
its
presiding
officer,
might,
on
certain
occasions,
anticipate
a
tie
and
ask
the
mayor
to
attend,
at
least
for
that
agenda
item
a
second
option.
K
The
counselors
who
vote
on
the
affirmative
may
be
ready
to
move
to
reconsider
so
as
to
allow
one
or
more
of
them
to
change
the
vote
exactly
to
avoid
a
tied
outcome
and
third,
the
matter
may
be
automatically
tabled
or
tabled
by
vote
to
be
brought
off
the
table
so
as
to
include
the
mayor's
tie-breaking
vote,
either
for
or
against.
So
we
just
think
that
people
with
parliamentary
experience
such
as
counselors
will
find
ample
ways
to
do
this
mechanically.
A
Okay
and
then
my
my
thank
you
for
that,
and
then
my
request
was
to
have
the
subcommittee
if
you
will
agree
to
it,
take
a
look
again
at
the
issue
that
we
heard
the
concern
we
heard
expressed
by
two
of
the
counselors
tonight,
because
I
think
we
got
a
little
bit
different
view
of
it,
at
least
as
to
how
it
stated
in
the
resolution
that
there
would
be
a
sort
of
a
choice
of
which
office
you.
A
You
know
you're
you're,
going
to
pick
at
the
time
you
run
for
mayor
with
the
concern
expressed
about
the
mayor's
ability
to
appoint
the
replacement.
I,
don't
know
if
that
was
something
the
subcommittee
really
looked
at.
Maybe
you
feel
like
you
have,
but
if
you
would
just
take
another
look
at
that
with
the
reframing
of
the
issue
that
we
heard
tonight.
C
You,
madam
chair
questions
from
other
commissioners,
and
the
only
thing
I
was
going
to
say
was
that
having
been
in
those
land
use
discussions
on
both
sides
of
this
die?
C
Ensuring
fairness
is
what
creates
I
think
confidence,
especially
in
the
public,
in
decisions
that
are
made
and
when
there
is
a
sense
that
fairness
and
be
a
due
process,
but
that
there
has
not
been
an
equal
opportunity
to
address
the
particular
issues
to
the
deciding
Bosley,
especially
in
the
context
of
quasi-judicial
proceedings,
and
especially
where
it's
a
question
of
rezoning,
which
is
at
some
level
I
believe
discretionary
within
the
council
that
has
created
a
tremendous
Strife
in
the
past.
Personally
I
am
in
favor
of
some
statement
in
the
charter.
C
That
requires
that,
and
you
know,
I've
been
present
in
the
last
number
of
months.
C
One
of
those
types
of
proceedings
where,
as
well
as
the
related
interaction
between
city
government
and
the
public,
have
suggested
that
some
of
those
principles
were
not
fully
observed
and
some
of
it
you
know
there
were
various
rules
adopted
by
current
Council
or
participation
which
reading
the
letter
of
that
rule
were
not
followed,
which
I
believe
was
due
to
an
interpretation
of
various
District
Court
decisions
on
various
matters,
but
so
the
strong
proponent
for
having
something
that
captures
that
need
for
fairness
and
equity
and
due
process
for
all
the
participants
in
a
proceeding.
C
Yes,
so
my
two
cents
worth.
Thank
you
any
further
discussion
on
the
governance
and
financial
committee
matters.
C
That
brings
us
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
those
issues
that
are
before
the
the
human
rights
and
social
issues
committee,
and
you
have
a
number
of
items
in
your
packet
and
I
actually
had
one
question
Orr
who
had
assembled
those
packets,
City
attorney
Martinez,
had
commented
on
what
we
had
put
in
place
last
time.
I
had
responded
to
those
comments
there.
C
He
is,
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
the
materials
in
our
packet
reflected
any
of
that
discussion,
if
it
does
I
did
not
see
it
in
there.
So
it
wasn't
was
curious
because
there
did
not
seem
to
be.
That
was
issues
that
were
significantly
substantive
but
and
I'm
happy
Marcos,
obviously
to
let
you
characterize
your
comments
on
those,
but
I
wasn't
sure
what
if
those
that
commentary
was
captured
in
the
packet,
because
I
could
not
see
that
in
in
mine
sure.
F
I
was
Mr,
Martinez
did
ask
for
which
materials
to
be
loaded,
so
I
think
that
would
be
properly
directed
to
him.
I
I
have
not
reviewed
any
of
your
materials.
C
L
And
thank
you
Mr
acting
chair
and
chair
long
members
of
the
charter,
commission
I
apologize
if
there's
any
confusion
over
the
version.
That
is
that
you
have
before
you
and
I
think
section
2.08,
Charter
draft
section,
208
and
no
one
I
wasn't
sure
if
the
commentary
was
between
us
or
not,
and
so
in
an
abundance.
L
Perhaps
an
overabundance
of
caution
when
staff
is
asking
me
what
whether
these
should
be
clean
versions
or
red
lines,
I
suggested
clean
and-
and
he
had
thought
initially
to
load
clean
versions
of
the
document.
So
the
comments
are
not
captured
in
the
versions
online
I'm
happy
to
circulate
those
versions
among
the
entire
group
and
and
or
post
them
on
the
website
which
we
are
working
on
doing
as
well.
So
I
would
just
ask
for
whatever
your
preference
is
and
then
also
offer
that
we
can.
L
Maybe
we
could
also
just
touch
base
beforehand,
so
that
I
understand
what
you
want.
You
would
prefer
to
see.
C
Yeah
certainly
would
love
to
do
that
and,
and
I
think,
your
thought
of,
because
we're
not
taking
action
tonight
on
any
of
these
that,
just
if
you
could
circulate
out
those
comments
to
members
of
the
commission,
that
would
be
helpful.
C
So
they
understood
that
back
and
forth
that
that
you
and
I
had
so
would
certainly
appreciate
that
and
it
we
did
not
have
other
substantive
changes
to
the
materials
that
are
in
your
packet
and
indeed,
between
commitments
of
mine
related
to
the
celebration
of
Easter
I,
I
suspect,
with
the
commissioner
granillo
commitments
to
plant
and
get
all
of
the
garden
that
he
oversees
done
in
this
past
couple
of
week,
which,
because
past
two
weeks,
which
I
know
has
been
happening
with
commissioner
Perez's
travel
and
with
commissioner
blondus's
having
a
health
matter
that
we
probably
well,
we
did
not
meet
and
did
not
further
discuss.
C
We
did
not
take
up
either
item
D,
which
was
added
to
the
subcommittee,
which
is
the
question
of
whether
all
bodies
of
city
government,
including
those
established
as
advisory
in
nature,
such
as
committees,
commissions,
special
committees,
task
forces,
Etc
should
comply
with
the
state.
Open
meetings.
Act
and
I
suspect
our
committee
is
very
much
interested
in
addressing
those
issues,
so
we'll
certainly
commit
that
by
our
next
meeting.
We
will
have
done
so
and
have
any
recommendations
to
bring
back
to
the
commission
so
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
anybody
might
have.
K
Mr
Ives,
when,
when
you
presented
the
proposed
amendment
with
regard
to
food
policy,
you
made
a
side
comment
that
in
this
in
the
implementation
sentence,
every
one
of
the
Peter
every
one
of
the
items
in
the
policy
section
of
the
charter.
This
is
article
two.
K
An
implementation
sentence
at
the
end,
usually
beginning
with
the
preposition
two
and
yours
does
as
well
to
ensure
you
see
that
you,
you
noted
that
you
use
the
verb,
ensure
three
times
within
the
first
half
of
that
sentence,
and
you
were
going
to
do
something
different
about
that
My
Hope
Is,
that
you
will
not
only
deal
with
the
syntax
but,
as
you
and
I
have
said,
privately
I
I've
been
so
involved
in
this
issue,
all
my
life
and
and
I
I.
K
Nobody
has
to
explain
to
me
how
important
it
is,
however,
putting
a
city
in
the
position
of
having
to
do
something
that
public
entities
have
been
trying
for
years
to
measure
and
have
failed
seems
to
me
to
be
opening
a
barn
door
of
liability.
If
somebody
in
Santa
Fe
were
to
starve
to
death,
would
that
family
have
a
cause
of
action
against
the
city
if
this
says
that
the
city
shall
ensure
that
no
one
be
hungry?
K
So
it
seems
to
me
that
other
take
a
look
at
the
other
items
in
article
two
and
you
will
see
how
other
people
who
were
pursuing
important
topics
square,
that
Circle
and
I'm
hopeful
that
when
we
see
this
again
it
does
so.
But
if
it
is
as
it
is
now,
I
think
it
becomes
a
very
difficult
text
to
put
into
a
chart.
C
And
I
would
note.
I
am
certainly
happy
to
do
that
and
bring
back
any
changes
that
seem
appropriate.
Given
the
concerns
that
that
you
have
raised,
and
that's
certainly
something
I
would
take
up
with
the
city
attorney
as
well.
Absolutely.
A
Yes,
commissioner
Ives.
Yes,
we
heard
tonight
from
looking
at
my
notes
here
from
counselor
Romero
worth
that
the
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
would
be
brought
back.
I
think
we
had
heard
about
it
along
along
the
way
when
we
were
looking
at
the
human
rights
issue,
and
then
we
knew
that
it
went
away,
and
now
we've
heard
that
there
will
be
work
to
bring
back
that
office
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
impacts
the
recommendation
to
establish
a
Human,
Rights,
Commission
or
the
city,
or
whether
we've
already
and
I
apologize.
C
We
actually
did
touch
on
that
and
generally
the
question
was
insignificant
part.
Whether
or
not
consideration
of
these
issues
was
significant.
I.E
issues
relating
to
Human
Rights
was
significant
enough
to
create
a
permanent
commission
within
the
city
to
address
those
issues,
Beyond
just
an
office
within
the
executive.
C
That
would
look
at
issues
of
inclusiveness
and
Equity,
and
the
other
point
that
we
had
talked
about
previously
was
that
we
thought
it
was
significant
enough
to
allow
the
people
of
Santa
Fe
the
people
who
would
be
voting
on
any
changes
to
the
commission
to
the
Charter
I'm.
Sorry
to
allow
them
to
weigh
in
on
that
as
well.
We
talked
about
you
know
the
significance
of
issues,
not
only
within
the
city.
You
know
we're
a
sanctuary
City.
C
We
deal
significantly
with
issue
issues
relating
to
human
rights,
yeah,
certainly
significant
at
the
the
state
level
at
a
national
level
and
at
an
international
level.
So
that
had
been
the
feeling
of
the
certainly
of
the
committee
and
my
understanding
of
the
prior
discussions,
which
were
not
extensive
on
that
particular
issue.
But
yes,
they.
They
can
certainly
affirmed
that
the
committee
would
still
bring
that
forward
to
the
entire
commission
to
considered.
C
Other
questions
there
being
none
we'll
move
on
to
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
sorry
new
topics
for
consideration
by
the
commission.
What
have
folks
brought
tonight.
F
Thank
you
chair
eyes,
chair
long
Commissioners,
thank
you
to
staff
for
being
here
tonight.
I
think
did
you
all
meet
Marcy
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago?
Okay,.
F
Welcome
again
to
Marcy
I
asked
her
to
sit
here.
I've
had
three
different
people
during
this
last
few
months.
I
I
think
we're
we're
about
we're
very
close
to
being
fully
staffed
again.
So
that's
very
exciting.
Let's
see
I
did
want
to
mention
a
few
things.
So,
as
Mark
Coast
mentioned,
we
met
with
our
webmaster
yesterday
on
a
draft
page.
F
It
does
include
many
of
the
materials
you
all
have
been
using
as
resources
during
the
last
couple
months,
as
well
as
we're
going
to
be
posting
each
of
the
proposals,
and
so
folks
will
have
the
opportunity
to
pick
which
proposal
they
want
to
comment
about
and
or
many
of
them,
and
submit
specific
comments
about
proposals
directly.
F
The
default
will
be
sending
those
comments
to
all
of
you
directly.
If
you
don't
want
that,
please
let
us
know
I
I
think
it's
pretty
close
to
being
ready,
so
hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
alert
you
and
that
it's
ready
to
go
on
the
next
few
days.
F
That
does
depend
on
a
couple
other
people
other
than
myself,
so
I
can't
commit
to
a
specific
date,
but
it
does
look
pretty
close.
So
that's
what
that
looks
like
and
if
there's
any
additional
materials
the
commission
would
like
to
be
placed
up
there.
Please
let
us
know.
Ideally
there
are
things
that
the
whole
commission
has
seen
and
discussed.
That
way,
there's
not
surprises
so.
F
F
The
prior
Year's
reports
that
kind
of
thing
the
prior
commissions
reports
I
did
want
to
just
make
a
comment
about
the
branches
idea,
so
I
think
under
our
current
Charter
I
would
say
that
we've
got
elected
officials
with
characteristics
of
or
responsibilities
that
are
characteristic
of
executive
and
legislative
I,
wouldn't
I
would
say
that
what's
being
proposed
would
would
be
two
branches
currently
I
think
we've
got
elected
officials
with
who
are
purely
executive
and
one
elected
official
who
has
elements
of
executive
and
legislative.
F
It
would
be
hard
to
say
that
currently
we
have
branches
at
all,
I
I
think
it's
a.
It
really
does
not
reflect
a
branch
system
currently
not
to
say
it
can't
in
the
future.
Obviously,
but
the
idea
of
branches
doesn't
come
up
in
our
Charter
currently
or
in
our
structure
of
government.
It's
it's
more
of
powers
that
are
similar
that
are
executive
powers
and
and
legislative
powers.
I
would
say,
let's
see,
I,
think
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
comment.
F
I
had
had
about
the
finance
committee,
maybe
for
the
whole
group
as
well.
The
finance
committee
is
defined
an
ordinance
currently,
as
are
the
other
Council
committees,
and
then
their
procedures
are
established
by
the
governing
body,
and
the
only
mention
of
the
finance
committee
currently
is
in
relation
to
the
budget.
I
mean
the
model
code
does
recommend
that
committees
are
not
a
required
component
to
reviewing
the
budget
that
the
entire
governing
body
or
Council
be
the
reviewing
entity.
I
think
it's
it
that
so
that
was
my
primary
comment
about.
F
That
is
that,
by
adding
the
requirement
for
finance
committee,
it
seems
to
deviate
from
that
model
code
and
also
is
somewhat
of
a
deviation
from
anything
else
in
the
charter
in
terms
of
the
level
of
specificity.
F
So,
in
terms
of
our
the
model
of
our
current
Charter
and
the
level
of
specificity,
it
seems
to
be
an
outlier
and
then
I
would
just
ask
that
if
we
get
a
recommendation
about
Human
Rights
Commission,
it
would
be
very
helpful
to
understand
if
it
would
have
distinct
powers
from
the
state
commission
and
if
so,
how
or
distinct
levels
of
Rights
for
whoever
is
going
to
be
protected
by
that
commission.
F
Is
it
applying
to
groups
of
folks
who
aren't
already
protected
by
the
state,
Human
Rights
Commission,
or
is
it
providing
protections
that
are
higher
in
some
way
and
that
will
help
our
legal
analysis
there,
because
that
was
one
of
the
points
I
think
we
just
alerted
the
commission
to
that
we
hadn't
done
full
research
about
was
preemption
on
that
matter.
So
I
think
it
would
be
a
much
different
analysis
if
it
does
protect
different
rights
and
different
groups
of
people,
then
it
will
be
of
an
analysis
and
I.
F
C
K
Good,
then,
can
I
ask
a
very
specific
question.
Yes
on
what
you
just
said
when
you
post
on
this
on
the
web,
my
preference
and
I
I've,
just
at
least
it
has
agreed
with
me,
my
our
preference
is
that
all
of
the
track
changes,
material
and
the
underlines
and
Strikes,
and
all
that
stuff
I
would
hope
that
what
was
what
is
posted
is
a
current
version
of
our
proposal
in
a
clean
form,
rather
than
all
of
that
other
stuff,
including
the
commentary
sections.
That's
fine.
F
Sure
I
was
commissioner,
I
think
we're
happy
to
do
whichever
version
you
prefer
so
I
was
hearing
earlier
that
maybe
commissioner
Ives
would
like
certain
Redline,
maybe
to
be
included
as
well,
but
I
think
we
can.
We
can
check
in
to
see
if
the
version
works.
You.
C
F
C
You
know
I
think
it's
best
to
give
where
we
have
ended
up
or
comments
and
whether
or
not
we
provide
any
commentary
along
with
that.
Perhaps
an
open
question
but
yeah
the
red
lines,
I,
don't
think,
are
going
to
be
helpful
to
somebody
reviewing
that
there
should
be
a
strikeout
and
black
line
to
identify
what
the
proposed
changes
are,
but
yeah,
commissioner.
D
Mr,
chairman
and
Commissioners
I'm
glad
that
was
brought
up.
I
was
waiting
for
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
to
bring
that
up.
But
clearly
just
the
governance
packet
is
30
pages
and
it
has
all
the
work
that
has
been
done
and
and
I'm
not
sure,
I
have
the
most
current
version,
because
I
know
they
keep
getting
updated
quite
often,
so
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we
help
clarify
for
the
public
what
it
is
that
we
know
that
we
are
green
on
and
so
I
think
Marcos
mentioned
it.
D
Should
we
get
clean
versions
or
Redline
versions
and
I'm
I'm
glad
you
brought
it
up,
because
I
suggest
we
consider
just
getting
the
clean
version
of
the
document.
What
it's
going
to
look
like
without
the
lining
out,
because
that
confuses
the
issue
it
makes
it
raises
questions
and
it
should
reduce
our
30
pages
and
maybe
five
or
six.
But
if,
if
the
public
starts
looking
at
these
30
pages,
they're
going
to
get
disillusioned,
discouraged
and
I'm
going
to
look
at
it
and
what
we
want
is
public
comment.
D
We
need
to
make
it
user
friendly.
We
need
to
make
it
easy
to
read
so
I
really
ask
us
to
consider
using
just
the
clean
version
and
no
commentary,
because
that
just
raises
questions
and
as
many
people
as
you
have
in
a
room,
you
can
have
that
many
different
opinions
on
different
issues
and
I
like
to
make
it
clear
to
the
public,
where
we're
at
in
our
process
with
our
75
percent
of
work,
because
we
still
need
to
listen
to
their
comments
and
then
move
forward.
D
So
I
I
would
really
hope
that
we
have
the
attorneys
put
just
a
clean
version
on
the
website
and
I'm.
Glad
and
I
want
to
thank
Mr
Johnson
for
raising
the
issue
about
the
website,
not
working
as
well
as
there's
nothing
on
on
the
front
page,
I'm
glad
to
hear
Erin
that
that
we're
getting
get
that
going.
G
D
Know
the
independent
redistricting
commission
had
a
flag
on
the
first
page
of
the
city
website
and
we
have
lots
of
people
looking
at
that
we
had
huge
maps
and-
and
it
got
out
there
and
I-
really
hope
that
we
get
that
going
very
quickly,
because
that's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
get
some
some
people
to
see
what
we've
done.
They're
not
going
to
listen
to
these
meetings.
I
don't
have
the
time,
but
they
will
hopefully
get
online
and
read
six
pages
of
our
recommendation.
D
C
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Any
other
matters
from
any
other
commissioners,
and
let
me
just
say,
welcome
it's
great
having
you
here,
commissioner,
and
if
there's
anything
any
of
us
could
do
to
help
get
you
up
to
speed
on
anything
we've
been
doing.
We
are
all
happy
to
do
that
so
and
with
that,
let
me
turn
it
over
to
chair
long.
Please,
yes,.
A
A
So
I
don't
want
to
ask
for
anything
additional
that
you
think
isn't
necessary,
but
just
sort
of
an
introduction
about
this
is
what
it
does,
because
it's
the
really
the
I'm
thinking
of
a
report
of
what
what
we're
recommending
and
why
and
then
the
strikeouts
and
the
and
the
red
lines
are
just
sort
of
the
detail,
work
that
would
need
to
go
into
an
eventual
I,
think
recommendation
to
the
council
and
to
the
public,
but
I'm
wondering
if
it
might
be
helpful
to
the
public
to
say
this
is
what
we're
recommending
this
is
why,
and
you
can
comment
on
that
and
the
details
they
may
not
have
to
get
into.
C
A
C
Chair,
quite
frankly,
from
where
I
sit,
that
would
be
an
important
component
again
when
it's
presented
it
can
be.
You
can
separate
out
the
actual
Provisions
from
commentary
so
that
those
who
want
to
look
at
commentary
can,
but
folks
don't
have
to
so
keep
it
as
simple
and
straightforward
as
possible
for
those
who
want
to
take
that
path.
But
if
anybody
seeks
a
some
understanding
of
what
the
thinking
of
the
commission
was
I
think
that's
helpful
too.
Quite
frankly,
thank
you.
Madam
chair.
A
For
us
to
think
about,
and
then
you
know
we
do
meet
in
in
two
weeks
and
I'm
I
just
need
a
reminder
from
our
City
attorney
about
our
sort
of
drop
dead
deadline.
It
looks
like
we
may
very
well
need
a
meeting
in
May
one
or
two
to
get
this
our
work
wrapped
up.
F
Yes,
chair
long
chair
eyes,
Commissioners
the
deadline
is
May
10th
to
have
a
recommendation
to
the
governing
body.
There
is
a
governing
body
meeting
scheduled
for
that
day,
one
of
our
regular
meetings,
second
Wednesday.
F
So
if
so,
it
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
made
during
the
meeting
I
think
it
was
a
deadline
such
that
they
would
have
it
by
then
so
I
think.
If
the
commission
wanted
a
presentation
on
that
agenda,
I
think
everybody
would
certainly
include
that.
F
F
A
Okay,
we
may
have
to
see
what's
possible
at
this
point.
I
think,
but
I
just
wanted
to
alert
everyone
that
we
may
need
a
meeting
and
if
you
know
we'll
have
to
figure
out
schedules,
of
course,
and
staff
availability.
But
we
may
need
another
meeting.
The
first
week
of
May
I
would
think.
A
B
F
F
F
Meet
chairs
long
and
I
was
Commissioners.
I
think
it
depends
on
what
technology
you'd
like
to
have
available
and
what
level
of
participation
by
the
public
there's
a
couple.
Other
facilities
that
Jesse
had
looked
into
that
have
the
video
conferencing
available
for
YouTube
and
zoom
I.
Think
one
was
Market
station
at
the
rail
yard
and
then
I
was
there
a
third
one.
F
F
A
A
A
Okay
and
I
too,
wanted
to
welcome
commissioner
Dixon
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
and
will
we
will
definitely
have
some
time
to
catch
up
before
the
next
meeting.