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A
Yeah
it's
on
there.
It
says
I'm
sure
you
are
live.
B
C
D
B
Alba
Alba
I
got
you
all
right
and
is
there
a
second
seconds,
okay,
commissioner
deerdach
or
commissioner
greniel
all
right?
Let's
do
a
roll
call
on
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
E
B
D
It's
a
question
I
think
weather
on
page
seven
of
the
minutes
yeah
whether
the
Charter's
requirements
for
recall
should
be
modified.
This
issue
is
addressed
by
subcommittee,
one
not
two.
F
Thank
you,
I,
don't
know
what
to
do
about
this
I
realized
that
we
were
hampered
by
the
fact
that
our
recorder
was
not
present
and
trying
to
deal
with
it
on
YouTube
and
that
must
have
been
certainly
more
challenging
than
I
could
have
managed,
and
the
parts
where
I
described
my
report
for
our
subcommittee.
F
B
Well,
I
think
you
can.
You
can
certainly
state
that
for
these
minutes
and
when
you're
giving
your
report
we'll
know
that
you're
going
to
cover
the
same
material
which
I
was
hoping,
you
would
summarize
that
as
well
so
I,
maybe
it
was
a
problem
with
just
I.
Think
Elizabeth
you
we
were
all
impersonating,
you
were
remote,
so
maybe
it
was
a
problem
with
her
hearing
us
at
that
point.
Well,.
A
B
So
Aaron,
do
you
think
it's
all
right
if
we
approve
the
minutes
without
statement
from
commissioner
dear
Dak
that
it's,
it
probably
doesn't
accurately
reflect
his
report,
but
he's
going
to
redeliver
it.
G
Chair
long
Commissioners,
I
I,
if
you
approve
the
minutes
that
the
idea
is
that
it
accurately
reflects
I
think
what
happened
so,
but
if
that
doesn't
bother
you
that
they're
I
mean
the
missing
the
missing
items.
I
think
are
less
of
a
problem
than
something
that's
a
misstatement.
G
So
if
there's
a
misstatement,
although
I
think
councilor
Ives
has
something
as
well.
If
there's
a
misstatement,
you
might
want
to
correct
it.
A
Madam,
chair
and
and
Miss
mcsherry,
if,
if
commissioner
deer,
dick
and
if
I
don't
know
what
commissioner
Ives
issue
is,
but
if
you
want
to
change,
if
you
want
me
to
put
in
a
a
an
attachment
to
the
minutes,
that
gives
a
a
more
clearer
idea
of
what
you
said.
You
just
need
to
send
it
to
me
and
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
I'll!
Do
it
tonight,
okay
and
same
with
commissioner
Ives
as
if
that's
his
issue,
I,
don't
know
if
it
is,
but.
H
H
You,
madam
chair
I,
fundamentally
agree
with
Aaron.
That
I
mean
the
minutes
are
supposed
to
accurately
reflect
the
activities
taken.
There's
no
immediate
need
to
approve
these
minutes
today,
knowing
that
there
might
be
some
significant
rewrite
that
needs
to
be
done.
Based
upon
what
commissioner
Dudek
has
stated,
an
easy
solution
would
be,
unfortunately,
if
Elizabeth
wouldn't
mind
looking
at
the
YouTube
and
and
making
corrections
as
necessary,
maybe
running
them
by
commissioner
deirdek,
and
then
we
can
just
approve
two
sets
of
minutes
at
our
next
meeting.
B
Dear
Dak
is
willing
to
straighten
that
out
and
send
something
to
Elizabeth
and-
and
we
have
that
happen
before
I'm
sure
you
have
that
happen
with
in
other
meetings-
Elizabeth,
where
yes,
we'll
give
you
Corrections
even
advanced
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
So
if
you
see
something
like
that
again,
commissioner,
dear
deck,
we
can
try
to
get
that
handled.
The.
A
E
A
A
B
I
I
do
and
I
will
go
to
commissioner
Ortiz.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I,
just
also
want
to
mention
the
present
of
the
meeting.
There
was
some
conversation
and
some
concurrence
that
we
submit
the
financial
portion
key
to
the
attorney
during
the
interim.
This
is
at
the
last
meeting
so
that
we
could
have
it
on
the
agenda
for
this
week
and
I
think
that's
important,
because
that
reflected
some
some
movement
and
some
concurrence
on
action
to
be
taken
and
I.
Think
that
should
be
in
the
minutes.
B
D
Madam,
chair
I,
believe
we
need
some
sort
of
motion
to
postpone
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Do
we
just
let
it
hang
or
do
we
want
to
go
on
record
that,
due
to
the
need
for
or
due
to
an
issue
with
technology
and
poor
reception,
that
parts
of
the
minutes
are
missing
and
that
we
need
to
improve
it?
The
next
meeting
is
that,
should
we
have
something
on
record
to
that
effect,
it'll.
G
G
Okay,
okay
and
then
I
do
have
a
phone
number.
We
don't
anticipate
that
Sarah
would
be
arriving
on
a
phone.
Do
we.
E
G
Hopefully
she
would
text
somebody
that
were
the
case,
but
you
could
certainly
do
a
motion
to
postpone
approval
of
the
minutes
to
our
next
meeting.
That's
that's
absolutely.
B
F
B
Number
six!
Is
there
anyone
I
know
we
received
written
public
comment.
You
all
should
have
received
that
from
the
Old
Santa
Fe
associations,
Mr,
Johnson
and
I
will
state
that
I
did
receive
it
and
I
did
read
it
and
is
there
any
other
I
think
that
was
the
only
written
comment?
Is
there
any
comment
anyone
would
want
to
make
today.
G
There's
Mr
Johnson
has
his
hand
up
in
the
Zoom
attendee
room,
so
I
can
allow
him
to
speak
and
then
I
will
see.
If
the
phone
number
person
we
can,
we
can
investigate
who
that
might
be
and
just
to
find
out
so
starting
with
Mr
Johnson.
Okay,.
B
J
You
can
you
hear
me
all
right.
Yes,
thank
you
and
I'll
keep
this
brief
members
of
the
commission,
Madam
chair
I,
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
I
I
acknowledge
that
you
acknowledge
receipt
of
that.
I
did
want
to
note
that
I
would
have
normally
submitted
this
through
the
portal
and
the
the
system
through
primegov,
where
you
click
the
button
didn't
function
properly,
so
I
did
alert
the
staff
to
that.
J
I
just
wanted
to
alert
the
commission
members
of
that,
because
obviously
public
comment
is
something
that
you
are
seeking,
but
it
appears
to
have
gone
through
the
correct
channels
and
arrived
I.
Don't
have
much
more
to
say
about
that,
except
that
this
does
represent
my
latest
thinking
on
this
issue
of
the
quasi-judicial
process.
So
if
you,
if
any
of
the
Commissioners
have
not
had
a
chance
to
read
that
I
do
encourage
you
to
do
so.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
okay,
and
that
is
it
for
the
public
comment.
Let.
G
G
G
G
B
G
B
All
right,
we'll
move
on
to
our
action
items.
Discussion
first
is
the
subcommittee
on
governance,
issues
and
financial
audit,
and
they
have
a
number
of
topics,
including
the
appropriate
number
of
city
council
districts,
the
appropriate
number
of
City
councilors
per
District,
whether
a
city
councilor,
who
has
lost
a
campaign
for
mayor,
should
be
permitted
to
remain
in
office
after
the
inauguration
of
a
new
mayor.
B
Whether
the
charter
should
dictate
the
city's
boards
board
and
commission
organization,
whether
the
city's
mayor
should
have
a
purely
Executive
Real
role,
rather
than
both
legislative
and
executive
roles,
and
if
so,
what
new
rights
and
limitations
should
be
adopted.
Along
with
such
a
separation
of
powers,
whether
counselors
should
be
full-time,
whether
the
roles
of
Mayor,
counselors
and
city
managers
should
be
better
defined
and
if
so,
how.
B
Whether
the
charter
should
address
additional
financial
management
matters,
and
we
will
talk
about
that
later
on
the
agenda
as
well,
whether
the
Charter's
requirement
for
the
public
rights
of
referendum
initiative
should
be
modified
and
whether
the
Charter's
requirements
for
recall
should
be
modified.
I'll
put
it
over
to
the
chair
of
that
committee,
commissioner,
Dyrdek
and
I
appreciate
that
I
know
some
of
these
matters.
B
You
had
organized
very
well
out
of
this
committee
as
some
that
you
would
present
proposals
on
and
some
that
would
be
recommendations
to
the
council
in
the
report.
But
if
you
could
go
over
those
again,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful,
so
we
can
categorize
them
them
and
we
may
organize
these
differently
on
on
the
next
agenda.
Based
on
that.
F
F
I
forwarded
all
of
it
to
Pat
who,
as
I
understand
it
pat,
intends
to
review
it
on
our
behalf
and
if
indeed
she
and
we
agree
that
it
is
ready
to
come
to
the
chair
for
the
the
agenda
in
March,
30th
that'll
happen
and
and
presumably
that
that
can
all
transpire
quickly.
F
So
the
com,
the
committee's
textual
work
on
each
item
is
done
as
far
as
We
Know.
It
could
very
well
be
that
a
council
will
help
us
see
places
that
ordinance
or
law
requires
some
adjustment
and
we'll
learn
of
that
soon.
If
and
when
we
do
we'll
make
those
adjustments
and
then
forward
it
chair
along
to
you
Nancy
is:
are
you
agreed
to
that
process?
I
think
that's
the
way
I
understand
it.
F
Me,
okay,
fair
enough.
Having
said
that,
I
think
we
already
heard
from
Lily
may
that
we,
as
a
full
commission,
took
the
action
on
our
second
item.
This
is
the
second
in
our
list.
F
It's
the
second
item,
because
we
we
isolated
three
items
where
we
actually
want
to
make
substantive
recommendations
for
alteration
of
the
charter,
and
this
is
the
second
of
those
it's
extensive
and
Lily
may
presented
it
at
the
last
commission
meeting
in
the
full
commission
asked
that
it
be
shown
to
council
and
then
forwarded
to
the
full
commission
for
discussion
at
today's
meeting,
and
all
that
has
happened.
B
F
F
Okay,
correct
correct,
so
let
me
go
back
and
cover
the
two
items
of
recommendation
for
Charter
Amendment
that
have
also
been
forwarded.
The
the
first
is
what
what
the
council
called
referrals,
D
and
F,
and
what
you
have
on
your
agenda
as.
F
Them
your
G,
whether
the
roles
of
Mayor,
counselor
and
managers
should
be
better
to
find
that
one.
So
we
are
treating
both
of
those
in
tandem
because
they
they
cover
the
same
subject
matter,
and
you
have
heard
me
on
this
in
the
past.
What
we
did
was
devised
a
way
to
to
carry
all
of
the
items
in
the
present
Charter
in
a
different
form,
in
a
form
that
that
begins
with
the
legislative
branch
of
government
then
goes
to
the
executive
branch
of
government
and
concludes
with
the
judicial
bench
of
government.
F
That's
a
format
that
American
public
understands
because
they
see
it
elsewhere
in
all
parts
of
government.
We
made
very
few
changes
in
substance
to
the
particular
branches
we
carried
through
the
material.
That's
in
the
current
Charter.
We
made
some
slight
variations
in
sequence
for
the
sake
of
emphasis,
and
we
drew
a
more
clear
distinction
between
the
two
executive
roles
of
Mayor
and
city
manager.
F
We
followed
the
model
City
Charter,
where
it
uses
the
word
Administration
in
ways
that
we
believed
to
be
confusing.
It
puts
Administration
in
the
mayor's
portfolio
and
then
in
a
different
way
in
the
manager's
portfolio.
While
trying
to
distinguish
between
them-
and
so
we
suggested
different
language,
so
that
it
is
clear
that
one
role
is
a
CEO
role
and
the
other
role
is
a
COO
role
and
we
believe
that
American
readers
understand
that
distinction
better
than
using
the
same
nomenclature
in
both
places.
F
The
model
City
Charter
has
quite
a
a
paragraph
which
we
re,
which
we
cite
and
repeat
in
our
written
proposal
that
you
will
see
where
it
describes
the
difference
between
a
mayor
who
leads
the
city
towards
Solutions
of
its
major
issues
versus
a
manager
that
sees
to
the
detail
of
current
operations.
Quite
specifically,
and
the
model
City
Charter
goes
at
some
length
to
say
that
in
places
that
try
to
put
both
of
those
functions
into
one
one
function
or
the
other
suffers.
F
And
so
our
executive
branch
of
government
contains
those
two
roles
and
what
you
will
see
in
the
text
is
that
we
describe
there
differently
and
and
draw
the
appropriate
distinction.
F
Having
said
all
that,
one
way
to
embody
that
distinction
is
that
the
mayor,
in
our
view,
is
not
the
presiding
officer
of
the
city
council.
The
city
council
is
the
legislative
branch.
That's
the
article
one
branch
of
government
and
the
executive
branch
is
the
second
article
of
government,
and
in
that
case
the
mayor
is
obligated
to
send
messages
to
the
Council
on
the
mayor's
view
of
major
issues,
and
the
mayor
is
perfectly
entitled
to
amend
its
her
or
his
messages
when
necessary
and
appropriate.
F
F
That's
not
the
mayor's
function,
it's
the
manager's
function,
and
in
doing
that,
we
appreciate
very
much
the
material
that
Lily
may
has
already
showed
to
you
that
describes
three
different
financial
documents:
the
annual
operational
budget,
a
financial
plan
that
is
multi-year
and
within
which
annual
budgets
function.
That's
a
second
Financial
document
and
the
third
is
capital,
the
capital
plan
for
the
city,
the
beauty
of
the
material
that
Lily
may
already
cited
is
that
it
one
piece
of
it.
F
I
Paul
does
a
wonderful
job
he's
just
so
articulated
and
expresses
and
summarizes
quite
well
our
conversations
that
I
really
appreciate
his
work,
but
but
I
I
think
I
mentioned
at
the
very
beginning
of
our
meetings
and
I
think
it.
It
bodes
to
mention
again
the
financial
management
section
that
we've
included.
Was
it
one
of
the
elements
that
were
sent
to
us
by
the
the
city
council
to
work
on
and,
and
we
brought
this
up
and
we're
basing
this
on
community
comments.
I
The
citizens
of
Senate
made
comments
regarding
the
importance
of
Financial
stability.
The
fact
that
our
audits
have
not
been
done
for
three
years-
and
there
was
some
concern
about
that,
so
we
felt
because
of
that
it
I
mean
if
your
finances
are
healthy
and
your
books
are
healthy,
then
the
city
is
healthy
or
any
organization
is
healthy.
So
we
felt
it
important
to
include
into
the
Constitution,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
pulled
this
forward
and
and
look
for
models
to
insert
to
make
sure
that
this
is
elevated.
I
This
financial
issue
is
elevated
to
the
level
that
it
needs
to
be
to
assure
that
all
the
government
structures,
all
of
the
different
branches
are
addressing
it
and
providing
the
check
and
balances
that
they
need
to
to
make
sure
that
the
work
of
the
city
finances
is
an
order
and
consistently
managed.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
again,
even
though
we
have
said
that
before,
but
thank
you
thank
you
Paul.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank.
B
E
F
You
very
much
when
you
see
the
report,
you
will
see
that
we
structured
it
so
that
each
right,
each
referral
to
us
is
reported
with
a
a
scrupulously
identical
format.
So
you
will
see
in
every
case
a
one
sentence.
F
Action
item
followed
by
a
short
description
of
the
recommendation
and
then
the
full
recommendation
and
then
commentary,
and
so
we
did
that
because
in
the
model
Charter,
we
found
that
to
be
very
a
very
helpful
structure
that
they
use,
and
so
we
recommend
it
and
we,
you
will
see
it
reflected
one
of
the
I'm
going
next
to
the
third
item,
where
we
are
actually
making
recommendation
to
change
the
charter.
F
F
F
We
we
looked
at
evidence
of
initiative
and
recall,
as
it
exists
elsewhere
in
political
life,
and
we
also
noticed
that
voters
don't
have
access
to
their
ballot.
The
ballot
belongs
to
them,
but
don't
have
access
to
it
on
matters
of
direct
action
on
policy,
either
by
initiative
or
by
referendum,
and
so
in
that
case
we
thought
that
Santa
Fe
ought
to
represent
a
threshold
that
is
typical
of
more
political
life
across
the
country,
and
there
we
found
research
that
has
been
done
that
describes
how
initiatives
and
referenda
are
handled
at
minimum.
F
They
call
for
two
percent,
but
many
of
them
call
for
15.
We
could
find
none
that
call
for
33
when
it
comes
to
referenda
and
initiatives.
Therefore,
our
recommendation
is
that
at
the
two
places
in
our
Charter,
where
the
threshold
is
cited
as
33
percent
initiative
and
referenda
that
that
be
modified
to
15.,
on
the
other
hand,
when
it
comes
to
recall
recall,
does
have
a
an
option
for
the
voters.
The
voters
can
handle
their
concerns
about
a
particular
office
holder
and
that
is
to
vote
differently
the
next
time
that
office
is
on
the
ballot.
F
And
for
that
reason
we
it
is
our
recommendation
to
you
that
you
retain
the
Santa
Fe
Charter
language
that
calls
for
33
percent.
We
have
seen
cases
around
the
country
where
the
option
for
recall
is
used
just
excessively
and
and
and
grinds
government
to
a
halt.
F
It,
it
recall,
should
be
rare,
it
is
Extreme
and
should
be
rare
and
because
elections
have
and
because
the
person
involved
has
been
elected
and
because
that
office
will
be
up
for
election
very
soon.
We
believe
that
the
33
is
appropriate
in
the
case
of
recall
so
Madam
chair.
Those
are
the
three
items
where
we
are
proposing
alteration
to
the
Charter
and
again
you'll
see
a
few
paragraphs
of
of
explanation
about
them
and
Maria.
Thank
you
very
much
for
providing
some
text
that
was
really
very
helpful.
B
So
if
I
understand
your
report,
that
sounds
like
maybe
it's
already
been
completed
and
will
be
worked
on
prior
to
our
next
meeting.
It
will
list
and
take
up
all
of
the
items
that
were
referred
to
us
and
then
onto
your
subcommittee
and
the
reason
for
not
recommending
any
Charter,
Amendment
or
revision
and
the
reason
for
perhaps
including
it
as
a
matter
to
take
up
in
in
some
other
way,
but
not
in
the
charter.
F
Come
up
with,
do
you
think,
Madam
chair
that
you
would
like
me
to
to
go
continue
verbally
through
all
of
them,
or
are
you
content
to
see
them
in
writing
prior
to
the
next
meeting
and
have
a
thorough
discussion
of
them?
There.
B
E
H
It's
taking
myself
out
there.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
had
not
having
the
other
proposed
changes
to
look
at
today.
But
appreciating
the
comments.
Hadn't
looked
at
the
financial
management
sections
summary
and
two
things
came
to
mind
one,
and
this
may
be
true
for
these
other
sections,
which
is
why
I
bring
it
up
now,
rather
than
waiting
for
the
later
discussion
on
the
fiscal
management
proposal.
H
H
Some
of
how
the
changes
that
are
being
proposed
would
affect
current
practice
so,
for
instance,
and
again
because
I
had
fiscal
management.
The
preparation
of
the
budget
under
the
current
Charter
is
allocated
to
the
mayor,
and
the
mayor
brings
that
forward.
H
So
there
would
be
changes,
presumably
needed
beyond
the
fiscal
management
to
other
sections
of
the
charter,
and
for
me
it
would
be
helpful
to
understand
what
how
what
is
being
proposed
differs
from
what
is
currently
done.
So
we
have
that
comparison
to
really
understand
and
then
also
a
more
complete
assessment
of
what
other
sections
within
the
charter
might
be
impacted
by
the
proposed
changes.
So
the
really
looking
for
a
little
bit.
H
What
I
would
describe
is
more
background
information
for
the
the
the
the
nature
of
the
change
from
current
practice
and
then
also
what
other
Provisions
within
the
charter
are
necessarily
going
to
be
amended
and
how,
by
the
proposed
changes,
so
it's
I
mean
that's
and
I.
Imagine
those
are
questions
that
the
council
would
be
likely
to
ask
given
their
familiarity
with
current
practice
and
I'm
going
on
the
basis
of
the
practice.
H
At
the
time,
I
was
a
counselor
and
knowing
the
job
of
the
finance
committee
and
Public
Works
in
preparing
Capital
issues,
Finance
committing
preparing
the
budget,
those
types
of
things
so
a
thought,
a
request
and
then
had
a
few
more
items
just
when
we
get
to
the
financial
management
piece
later
on
in
our
discussion.
B
D
Madam,
chair
and
commissioner
Dyrdek
I
know
that
you
mentioned
in
the
last
in
the
minutes
that
you
are
consolidating
five
through
eight
and
two
of
five.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that?
How
is
that
going
to
is?
Are
you
just
simply
remember:
renumerating
eliminating?
Are
you
editing?
What
are
you
doing.
F
Thank
you,
there's
not
very
much
editing,
it
is,
it
is
changing
sequence
and
it
has
changed
and
we
leave
the
question
of
numbering.
F
The
numbering
needs
to
be
consistent
with
the
entire
Charter,
and
it
seems
to
us
that
that
that
is
something
that
professionals
should
do
and
we
rank
amateurs
are
ill-equipped
to
make
the
numbering
consistent
throughout
the
entire
document.
But
we
do
in
our
draft,
distinguish
very
well
in
an
outline
form.
What
is
what
is
first
level
second
level,
third
level
of
of
each
section,
so
that's
that's
not
going
to
be
confusing
to
you.
I'm
quite
sure.
F
And
part
of
the
response
to
your
question
is
the
response
to
commissioner
Rives
as
well,
and
that
is
that
we
follow
the
procedure
that
you
all
have
discussed,
that
everything
that
is
to
be
that
we
suggest
be
deleted,
is
struck
through
and
everything
we
suggest
to
be
added
is
underlined.
F
And
you
will
see
that
when
the
financial
portion
implicates
the
portion
of
the
balance
of
powers
and
separation
of
powers,
that
will
reflect
back
and
forth
that
way
and
I
think
that
will
handle
particularly
the
the
single
item
that
that
commissioner
rice
mentioned,
but
also
commissioner
blondes.
F
We
we
propose
that
that
there
be
an
article,
whatever
its
number,
that
that
is
called
governance
and
that
it
and
that
it
begins
with
a
sentence
that
says
that
this
this
city
is
governed
by
the
present
Charter
and
specifically
by
the
separation
and
balance
of
powers
among
the
three
branches
of
government.
F
That's
the
sentence
and-
and
it
cites
those
three
branches
by
name
and
and
having
done
that,
it
then
takes
them
in
sequence,
begins
with
the
citation
of
the
branch
and
then
mentions
the
particular
office
or
body
that
is
implicated,
whether
it
is
the
legislature
or
the
executive
branch,
and
then
I
mentioned
already
the
two
professionals
that
are
in
that
category
and
then
at
the
end,
the
judicial
branch,
and
it
refers
to
the
municipal
judge
and,
and
so
it
is,
but
it
frankly
reading
the
present
Charter
de
novo
and
knowing
something
up
just
from
high
school
about
how
governments
are
put
together.
F
It's
a
little
hard
to
navigate.
That
was
our
impression
of
it
and
it's
hard
to
understand
whether
the
city
is
a
mayor
that
has
a
legislative
and
a
Judicial
afterthought
or
footnote
I'm.
Sorry,
to
put
it
so
bluntly,
but
a
person
who
reads
our
Charter
without
without
having
experienced
political
life
in
the
city,
we'll
we'll
simply
find
that
terribly
confusing.
I'm
quite
sure,
and
so
we
hope
that
the
work
we've
done
lends
greater
Clarity
and
visibility.
D
And
if
I
could
follow
up,
I
noticed
in
the
charter
that,
under
the
title
mayor
there's
certain
requirements
and
under
the
next
title,
there's
will
those
somehow
be
generalized?
No.
B
G
I
was
going
to
clarify
I
thought,
I
heard
earlier,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
heard
something
right
that
you're
planning
to
send
those
to
someone
on
my
team
for
any
sort
of
legal
feedback
you
might
want
in
advance.
I
already
did
okay,
because
I'm
not
sure
my
team
has
it.
I
was
texting
with
them,
receive.
G
F
Aaron
should
I
send
it
to
both
of
you.
It's.
G
Fine,
just
as
long
as
it
gets
to
one
of
us,
so
if
Pat
doesn't
get
it
within
the
next
24
hours,
if
she
can
get
it
to
me,
I
guess
too
I
I
was
just
gonna
alert.
So
in
terms
of
three
branches
of
government
I
do
want
to
just
kind
of
raise
one
one
flag:
we
don't
really
have
a
co-equal
Judiciary
in
in
local
government.
G
You
know
they
only
have
limited
jurisdiction
to
criminal
misdemeanor
so
that
just
like
that's
a
very
different
construct
than
state
or
federal
government,
in
terms
of
them
being
a
balancing
power
to
so
just
to
put
that
framework
out
there.
So
I
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
trying
to
create
something
like
that,
where
it's
not
possible,
so
that
kind
of
thing
I
just
want
to
flag
early.
So
we
don't.
We
don't
go
too
far
down
trying
to
do
that.
F
We
thank
you
very
much.
We
we,
we
explored
the
the
entrance
to
that
rabbit,
hole
and
decided.
We
did
not
want
to
live
in
that
rabbit
hole
any
more
than
you
do
and.
G
G
The
result-
okay,
excellent
yeah
I-
just
don't
think
that
we're
allowed
to
so
we
might
need
some
constitutional
changes
at
the
state
level.
So
awesome.
Thank
you.
I
B
You
yes,
commissioner,
Pettis.
K
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
a
statement
that
was
just
made
so
re
and
remind
this
commission
that
we'd
agreed
that
we
would
have
like
a
two-week
period
for
public
comment
on
the
document.
So
we've
our
subcommittee
has
submitted,
or
is
in
the
process
of
submitting
our
work
to
Council,
and
then
are
we
still
thinking
that
the
full,
like
all
both
subcommittee's
reports,
if
you
will
will
go
to
the
public,
will
be
available
to
the
public
for
review
after
a
March
30th
meeting.
B
Thank
you
it'll,
be.
It
sounds
like
it'll,
be
a
bit
in
advance
of
the
meeting
when
our
materials
go
up
with
the
agenda
and
then
presumably
action
will
be
taken
at
that
meeting.
B
So
then
there
will
be-
and
we
can
get
comment
on
it
on
that
meeting
as
well
or
at
our
meetings
in
our
next
meeting
in
April.
If
there
is
any
comment
on
on
what
has
been
voted
on
to
recommend
to
the
council,
that's
I
think
that
was
our
sort
of
our
path
forward.
K
K
B
H
You
Madam
chair,
so
we
continue
in
looking
at
the
issues
doing
some
research
on
other
paradigms
for
such
work
around
the
country,
but
do
anticipate
having
submissions,
presumably
into
narcos,
as
the
the
attorney
working
on
Matters
from
this
subcommittee
prior
to
the
next
meeting,
so
that
that
can
be
provided
as
well.
H
Our
format
may
be
a
little
different
than
the
one
provided
by
the
governance
committee
on
financial
management
as
some
of
the
issues
we
are
looking
at
or
don't
really
fall
within
the
model
Charter
per
se,
which
really
doesn't
have
a
policy
statement
segment
in
it
but
which
obviously
our
Charter
does
and
which
personally
I
think
is
very
healthy.
H
So,
but
we
do
anticipate
having
information
of
materials
behind
and
in
support
of
the
various
proposed
changes
that
are
made.
So
we
continue
in
that
process
and,
as
I
say,
we're
committed
to
Marcos
once
we
have
it
in
hand
before
bringing
it
to
the
commission
as
a
whole.
We
did
spend
time
at
our
last
meeting
discussing
an
item
that
was
of
concern
to
the
committee.
H
Once
was
public
engagement
and
we
certainly
recognized
that
what
is
proposed
is
to
develop
these
proposals
and
then
see
public
input.
H
The
charter
itself
is
somewhat
silenced
on
the
charter
process.
The
timing
of
it
any
budgetary
issues,
ETC
and
and
I
think
it
was
the
sense
of
the
committee
that
we
were
likely
to
try
and
provide
as
part
of
the
human
rights
and
social
issues
aspect
of
the
committee.
Some
potential
amendments
to
article
10,
which
was
Charter
review
and
Amendment
the
actual
Charter
review.
10.01,
simply
says
that
the
review
commission
shall
be
appointed
as
needed,
but
not
less
frequently
than
every
10
years.
H
The
governing
body
shall,
by
resolution,
determine
the
manner
of
appointment
of
the
commission,
provided
that
there
shall
be
an
odd
number
of
Commissioners,
so
it
doesn't
really
address
the
issues.
The
public
engagement
process,
the
length
of
time
that
it
would
be
prudent
or
perhaps
important,
to
have
a
charter
review
commission
sitting
in
order
to
do
the
what
I
would
describe
as
the
sense
of
the
committee
a
a
more
robust
job
in
engaging
the
public
and
understanding
some
of
the
parameters
of
that
public
engagement
and
trying
to
get
word
out
and
get
input
in.
H
So
some
of
that
is
simply
an
expression
of
a
little
bit
of
frustration
by
committee
members
with
regards
to
our
process
and
that
we
really
haven't
been
able
to
significantly
engage
the
public
and
having
been
a
city
council
and
heard.
Many
folks
complain
always
that,
well,
you
haven't
taken
any
input
notwithstanding
public
meetings,
there's
clearly
some
disconnect
between
people's
perception
of
an
opportunity
to
participate
and
simply
holding
a
meeting
like
this,
which
is
open
to
the
public
so
wanted
to.
H
Let
folks
know
that
that
was
the
sense
of
the
committee
on
some
of
those
issues
and
so
that
we
would
anticipate
also
addressing
potentially
some
changes
to
that
section
of
the
charter
under
the
social
issues
and
human
rights.
I.E
participation
in
the
charter
process.
So
with
that
I
would
invite
other
committee
members
to
weigh
in
and
and
fill
in
what
I
have
forgotten.
C
Madam
chair,
hold
on
I
I,
just
I
believe
that
petersoned
it
all
up
and
I
just
wanted
to
second
that
I
I,
probably
was
the
one
that
brought
up
a
lot
of
the
this
concernment
about
the
committee
not
being
able
to
reach
out
to
the
community
when
I
joined
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
could
do
more
Community
engagement
based
on
the
relationship
so
that
it's
not
just
about
our
ideas
of
what
we
want
to
change.
C
But,
however,
some
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
implement
is
some
of
the
things
that
the
people
need,
because
if
I
can't
hear
what
my
people
need,
then
there's
that's
the
point
of
being
a
public
servant
for
me,
and
so
I
I
would
like
to
engage
in
that
part
a
little
bit
more.
The
community
engagement
part
doing
the
writing
and
checking
and
changing
I
know.
There's
super
substantial
importance
to
it.
However,
that's
just
my
stance
on
it,
but
I
appreciate
everything.
Peter
did
and
summed
it
up.
You
did
a
great
job.
H
Thank
you
and
I've
been
I
would
also
note
that
in
the
resolution
creating
this
commission
again,
it
does
note
that
the
public
is
invited
to
provide
comments,
suggestions
as
to
potential
Charter
amendments
and
to
really
engage
in
a
robust
process
that
honors
that
capacity
probably
takes
more
than
the
last
month
and
a
half
of
the
process
to
be
recognized
as
something
that
is
real
and
significant.
So,
yes,.
B
We
are,
we
do
have
some
time
constraints
that
is,
for
certain
and
I
assume
that
there
will
be.
You
know,
public
process
on
the
other
side
when
it
goes
to
the
council
and
there's
a
recommendation
there
and,
depending
on
what
the
council
decides
to
take
up,
there's
not
a
lot
of
time
either,
but
that
will
again
be
in
the
public
eye.
D
D
Our
public
representative
folks
is
Adam
Johnson
and
Mr,
Becker,
beckerel
or
Burkle
that
that's
two
people,
and
that's
very
disturbing
to
me
and
I,
appreciate,
share
along
what
you're
saying
is
that
there
will
be
public
input
on
the
other
side
after
we
make
our
recommendations,
but
where
we
really
need
engagement
is
now
because
we're
deciding
those
of
us
on
this
screen
for
the
whole
city.
That's
pretty
remarkable
and
I.
Think
I
voiced
this
in
the
past,
where
you
know:
where
are
the
public?
B
All
right
and
I
wanted
to
ask
this
committee
how
the
the
chart
resolution
and
the
perhaps
the
creation
of
this
office.
We
talked
about
it
some
last
time
of
equity
and
inclusion,
how
that
is
factoring
into
your
review.
H
If
I
might
we're
certainly
aware
of
the
chart
resolution
and
had
obtained
copies
of
it
and
I
think
everybody
has
looked
at,
it,
I
think
the
committee
itself,
in
reviewing
that
noted,
that
75
or
so
of
that
resolution
was
actually
directed
to
the
soldiers
Monument
and
certainly
don't
want
to
get
into
a
discussion
of
the
merits
of
any
statements
in
the
resolution.
H
As
I
suspect
many
opinions
differ,
as
was
probably
evidenced
by
at
the
city
council
meeting
last
night,
and
so
we
understand
that
there
is
certainly
likely,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
a
Human
Rights
Commission
is
created
the
need
for
ordinances
that
address
these
issues.
We
do
think
that
this
is
again
significant
enough,
an
issue
that
it
should
be
something
the
people
of
Santa
Fe
should
be
able
to
weigh
in
on
given
the
significance
of
Human
Rights
discussions
and
issues
both
locally
regionally
across
the
United
States
and
around
the
world.
H
So
we
do
see
that
as
a
certainly
significant
component.
That
obviously
has
a
lot
of
Flesh
to
be
put
on
the
bones
that
are
put
forward
in
the
resolution,
but
don't
see
that
as
a
Prohibition
to
acting
to
try
and
create
a
Human
Rights
Commission.
D
And
thank
you,
commission,
chair
long
and
commissioner
eyes.
I
agree
with
what
you
are
saying:
a
concern
that
I
I
have
voiced
and,
in
fact
recently
sent
out
some
information
to
the
committee.
D
An
office
can
come
and
go
depending
on
the
administration,
depending
on
the
priorities
depending
on
the
future
and
to
see
stated
within
the
charter
that
a
Human,
Rights
Commission
reflects
a
commitment
on
the
part
of
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
for
equity
and
to
have
the
people
then
take
a
position
on
that
through
voting.
D
I
think
would
lay
a
very
solid
foundation
out
into
the
future.
That
Equity
is
important
to
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
and
human
rights
around
us,
which
surround
that
whole
concept
and
that
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
is
going
to
be
reflecting
on
everything
they
do
through
that
Equity
lens
and
I
think
that's
very
important.
Thank
you.
K
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
what
my
colleagues
were
talking
about,
the
public
input
and
and
the
Civic
engagement
piece
of
this
I.
Do
democracy
work
in
my
in
my
day,
job
and
I'm,
familiar
with
how
some
other
cities
do
their
Charter
review
process
and
I
have
to
say
that
you
know
having
four
or
five
months
having
one
of
those
months
be
December.
It
just
does
not
give
us
time
to
even
check
that
box
as
a
as
a
gesture
right.
K
The
public
engagement
thing
I
really
would
hope
that
our
city
takes
the
public
engagement.
The
public
input,
the
dialogue
with
the
public
seriously
and
in
matters
such
as
this
we're
talking
about
really
wonky
stuff,
we're
talking
about
in
the
weeds
policy
stuff,
and
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
sharing
a
Google
doc
with
a
public
or
you
know.
K
It
really
requires
dialogue,
conversation
it
requires
being
in
partnership
with
Community
organizations
that
work
with
different
constituencies
and
and
there's
more
time
that
is
required,
like
there
needs
to
be
a
translation
right
of
the
kinds
of
things
that
we're
talking
about
to
what
that
means
in
community
and
then
back,
and
that
requires
resources
in
terms
of
Staffing
time
and
and
time
time.
K
But
I
think
it's,
it's
so
very
important,
and
we
can't
just
like
check
the
box
and
say
like.
Oh,
we,
we
had
public
meetings
right
like
there's
no
effort
to
really
make
this
content
accessible
and
and
work
with
the
public
to
to
have
that
dialogue.
K
So
my
hope
is
that
there
there
will
be
some
sort
of
recommendation
about
that
and
that
it
could
be
part
of
the
charter
like
we
take
public
engagement
seriously
and-
and
these
are
some
steps
that
that
will
take
to
make
sure
that
that
these
different
constituencies
have
access
that
to
the
information
in
ways
that
are,
you
know,
culturally
appropriate
and
that
have
the
opportunity
to
really
engage
in
dialogue
and
not
just
respond
to
stuff.
So
that's
my
my
little
two
cents
there.
Thank
you
so
much.
G
Thank
you,
chair,
Commissioners
I
was
going
to
say
Australian
Matters
from
staff,
but
since
it's
relevant
right
now,
I'm
in
the
process
of
putting
together
an
email
on
materials
to
load
to
our
website,
as
we
had
discussed
on
a
better
prior
meeting.
Obviously
that's
a
small
step,
but
if
there
are
specific
things
the
commission
wants
to
do,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
we're
precluded
from
anything.
G
Certainly
it's
not
in
our
Charter,
yet
so
I
think
that's
something
that
could
be
looked
at
to
require
certain
types
of
public
engagement,
but
there
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
more
precluded
from
at
this
point.
So
if
there
are
specific
measures,
you'd
like
me
to
ask
the
city
manager
or
the
city
clerk
to
assist
with
I
think
it
should
be
something
the
commission
votes
on
that
you
want
to
do
as
a
measure
rather
than
individuals,
but
I'm
certainly
happy
to
facilitate
that.
B
I
I
did
want
to
let
the
commission
know
that
I
did
visit
with
Pat
about
the
last
comment
that
we
received
from
Mr,
Johnson
I
know
he's
he's
updated
that
somewhat,
and
so
we
did
not
discuss
that
one
in
any
detail,
but
I
think
the
point
of
it
was
was
very
similar,
and
that
was
the
issue
of
ex
parte
Communications
being
objected
to
the
two-minute
time
period
for
comments
from
the
public
on
land
use
matters
and
whether
they
had
to
be
quasi-judicial
I
know.
B
Pat
did
bring
to
the
attention
of
the
commission
and
Mr
Johnson.
That
chapter
14
is
undergoing
revisions,
perhaps
where
some
of
these
issues
could
be
raised.
I
know
that's
a
long
process,
as
commissioner
Ives
pointed
out,
but
it
is,
it
is
one
vehicle
for
that.
B
I
think
the
the
issue-
and
maybe
the
the
problem
is
with
this
topic-
is
that
the
Quasi
judicial
overlay
for
land
use
cases,
whether
they're,
you
know
subdivisions
or
variances
and
exceptions,
as
Mr
Johnson
has
recently
described
a
really
prescribed
by
Supreme,
Court
and
court
of
appeals
decisions
and
that
prohibits
the
ex
parte
contacts
and
that
provides
for
a
more
structured,
I
would
say
kind
of
hearing
on
those
matters.
So
there's
probably
not
a
lot
of
latitude.
B
There's
certainly
could
be
some
movement
on
rules
regarding
you
know,
time
limits
and,
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
maybe
the
standards
for
some
of
these
cases,
whether
it's
you
know
variances
or
exceptions.
B
That
would
be
something
that
would
be
Within
Chapter
14.,
so
that
that's
kind
of
where
we
came
out
is
that
I
think
if
I'm
representing
that
right
path,
that
there
wasn't,
there
really
wasn't
a
good
way
to
do
it
in
the
charter,
and
there
were
some
other
avenues
available
and
some
would
not
be
available
just
because
it
wouldn't
be
allowed
by
law.
B
B
We
can
talk
again
about
Mr
Johnson's
latest
letter,
but
that
was
one
new
topic
that
has
been
brought
up
by
Mr
Johnson
at
the
last
few
meetings.
E
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
commissioner
blondes.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
long
and
looking
through
the
charter
and
the
section
on
environment,
as
I
was
reading
through
that
section
again
and
the
last
sentence,
which
was
an
amendment
of
2014
involved
development
with
I'm
I.
Don't
have
it
right
at
hand,
but
anyway,
development
tied
into
water
availability
and
as
I
read
it
I've
I,
don't
believe
it
is
definitive
enough.
D
It's
the
last
sentence
in,
but
it
comes
right
after
human
rights
I'm
sorry
I
had
it
open
and
I'll
never
find
it.
I
had
I'd
close.
The
book.
D
I
believe
that
that
last
sentence
in
this
section
on
environment
is
not
specific
enough
and
should
read
something
more
like
manage
development
based
on
current
data.
That.
D
D
The
sentence
reads
in
section
2.03,
because
water
quality
and
availability
are
extremely
important
to
the
citizens
of
Santa
Fe.
The
governing
body
shall
protect,
preserve
and
enhance
the
city's
Water
Resources
through
regulation
conservation
and
relating
development
to
water
availability.
D
That
last
phrase
related
and
development
to
water
availability
to
me
seems
very
open-ended
and
so
I
just
reading
it
over
I
would
say:
management
of
development
based
on
current
data,
showing
water
availability
and
sustainability.
In
other
words,
tightening
that
statement
and
I
don't
know
I,
don't
know
if
that's
appropriate,
but
it
seems
somehow
that,
if
we're
going
to
mention
water
in
the
charter,
we
need
to
be
more
specific
and
leaving
it
open-ended
like
that,
opens
up
interpretation
and
does
that
open
up
interpretation
to
the
benefit
of
the
developer?
D
That's
my
concern
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that
would
fall
under
our
subcommittee
or
are
if
we
need
to
vote
to
even
consider
that
or
what
the
commission
thinks
about
that.
But
that
was
one
one
item,
and
and
only
that
that
caught
my
eye
that
Disturbed
me
that
it
was
too
big.
B
D
Yes,
I
would
like
to
ask
that
the
commission
consider
the
importance
of
specificity
when
it
comes
to
development
and
water
conservation.
B
B
Specific
in
that
it
relates
development
to
water
availability
and
that
the
governing
body
shall
protect,
preserve
and
enhance
the
city's
Water
Resources,
which
sounds
to
me
like
a
a
charter
kind
of
a
statement
that
that's
the
policy.
And
then
there
are
ways
that
the
city
does
implement
that
so
I
I,
don't
know
that
I
would
be
in
favor
of
anything
more
specific,
but
others
might
be.
H
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
I
can
certainly
concerned
that
the
city
water
department,
as
well
as
our
various
ordinances,
do
take
into
account
water
availability
in
connection
with
development.
H
H
If
it
is
for
affordable
housing,
the
city's
water
banking
program
will
and
for
small
developments
will
make
water
available.
Whether
or
not
all
of
that
is
striking.
The
right
balance
is
I.
Think
the
sort
of
heart
of
the
question
that
commissioner
blondes
is
is
looking
at
and
it's
a
fairly
complex
picture
in
terms
of
existing
ordinances
and
regulations.
H
Additionally,
there's
a
whole
planning
process
involved,
for
instance,
in
the
water
reuse
pipeline
that
has
a
potential
to
solve
certain
problems
depending
on
the
availability
of
San
Juan
Chama
water.
So
it
would
be
wonderful
and
I
know.
Marcos
is
involved
in
a
a
lot
of
what
are
issues
I
believe,
and
so
it
might
be
helpful
before
trying
to
really
consider
it.
Just
to
see
those
ordinances
see
those
regulations
and
understand
that
relationship
better
I
will
say:
I
have
had
a
former
general
counsel
for
the
state.
H
Engineer's
Office
in
a
casual
conversation
on
the
street
regarding
various
developments
in
the
county
pose
the
question
where's
the
water
coming
from.
So
it's
certainly
a
valid
question
and
it's
becoming
more
valid
as
climate
change
impacts,
our
surface
water
resources
significantly.
So
that
would
be
my
recommendation
and-
and
perhaps
we
put
it
on
the
agenda
for
next
meeting
but
to
try
and
have
those
various
Provisions
in
hand
to
be
able
to
understand
how
that's
addressed
currently.
B
So
you're
saying
commissioner
Ives
to
have
sort
of
a
presentation
on
that
issue
to
see
how
it's
addressed
before.
H
We
that
would
certainly
be
helpful,
but
also
circulate
out
the
various
statutory
ordinances
and
regulations
that
address
that
issue
at
the
city
level.
Before
the
meeting.
B
All
right,
commissioner,
Ortiz.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm,
still
listening
and
trying
to
to
embrace
and
understand
the
the
validity
of
that
and
how
how
that
would
look
and
I
agree.
We
should
wait
to
bring
something
forward
to
the
next
meeting,
but
I
just
lived
to
our
city
Charter
and
there's
an
Environmental
Protection
section
that
has
the
sentence
almost
what
you
said.
I
But
are
they
all
Charter
issues
that
that
we,
as
a
charter
commission
at
this
moment
in
time,
have
to
take
on
and
carry
a
flag
for?
Is
it
critical
and
important,
and
is
there
nothing
in
our
current
Charter
that
doesn't
attempt
to
address
that
and
highlight
it
so
I'm
just
throwing
those
out
for
consideration
because
I'm
still
trying
to
understand
what
we're
asking
here
so
I
I,
don't
believe
we're
ready
to
vote
on
that
because
I
wouldn't
know
how
to
vote
at
this
point
on
that
one
statement.
So
that's
all
Madam
chair!
Thank
you.
B
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
comments
on
this.
So
did
you
perhaps
want
to
have
a
vote
on
it
or
do
you
want
to
withdraw
the
motion
at
this
time.
D
Well,
not
being
a
an
expert
in
the
city
or
the
commissions
parliamentary
procedure,
perhaps
we
just
bring
it
to
a
boat
and
if
it
and
I
think
the
the
motion
was
more
investigative,
I'm,
just
basing
it
on
public
input,
so
I've
heard
and
been
approached
as
commissioner
eyes
by
people
who
are
very
concerned
about
development
versus
water
availability
and
that
sentence.
D
Commissioner
Ortiz
was
the
one
I
actually
read
out
of
the
charter,
and
added
on
to
that,
you
that
you
were
looking
look
through
the
charter
and
found
so
I
guess
bring
it
to
a
vote
but
pass
the
spine.
If
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't.
B
Okay,
so
could
we
yes.
L
Commissioner
I'm
sorry
I
just
want
to
say
before
we
go
to
a
formal
vote,
that
I
do
agree
that
I
and
I
just
want
to
say
it
before
we
get
to
the
vote.
That
I
do
feel
like.
We
need
more
information,
the
information
that
commissioner
Ive
suggested
we
evaluate,
and
so
for
that
reason.
That
is
why
I
will
vote
to
to
not
study
it
at
this
point,
because
I
do
feel
like
we
need
more
information
and
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
about
why
I'm
voting
the
way
that
I'm
voting.
D
Well,
you
would
like
me
to
I
thought:
maybe
the
the
transcriber
would
read
it.
I
think
we've
lost
her.
Oh
dear
wow,
because
I,
how
did
I
state
it
exactly
I?
Think
I
I
think
that
I
would
like
to
at
least
the
the
concept
is.
I
would
like
to
at
least
look
at.
D
D
So
I
would
like
to
study
this
to
ascertain,
if,
indeed
it
is
specific
enough
as
written
in
the
charter.
That's
that's
what
I
want
to
do.
F
B
Your
liaison
there
would
know
something
about
this
Marcos.
Then
you
could
hear
about
it.
Okay,
is
that
acceptable
to
the
second
commissioner
hours?
B
Okay,
any
other
discussion
on
the
motion
to
refer
this
to
that
committee
for
further
studying
to
come
back
to
us
all
right,
then
I
will
do
a
roll
call.
Commissioner
Ortiz.
I
I'm
going
to
do
it
now:
okay,
I
think
what
I
heard
is
already
outlined
in
the
current
Charter.
Only
different
words
were
used
land
anyway.
That's
so
I'm
voting
now,
I
think
it's
already
there.
Okay.
B
L
Yes,
yes
and
I
will
explain
with
the
explanation
from
commissioner
Dear
Dad
that
the
subcommittee
is
going
to
gather
the
information
that
commissioner
Ives
recommended.
We
study
that
that
makes
sense
to
me
in
terms
of
bring
up
time
as
our
commission
as
a
whole
and
hearing
from
the
subcommittee,
so
I
vote,
Yes.
Okay,.
B
And
I
will
vote
Yes
that
it
can
go
to
the
subcommittee
so
that
you
can
receive
some
more
information,
but
I
too
believe
that
is
adequately
covered
in
the
charter
and
that
since
it
really
sets
out
a
policy
statement,
but
if
I
need
to
be
corrected
on
that
I'll
I'll,
listen
for
it.
H
And
Madam
chairs
I
mentioned
the
one
with
regards
to
looking
at
the
phraseology
relating
to
article
10
in
the
current
Charter,
which
is
the
charter
review
and
Amendment,
and
that
the
committee
would
like
to
look
at
that
and
propose
some
changes
to
make
the
public
participation
portion
of
any
Charter
review
opportunity
a
bit
more
robust.
H
So
we
certainly
like
to
look
at
that
and
propose
some
potential
additions
there
to
get
out
ahead
of
the
public
and
with
the
public
in
participation
and
again
that
was
contemplated
in
the
resolution
that
created
this
Commission
in
the
first
instance.
So
the
in
the
one
hand
it
could
be
considered
to
be
part
of
the
human
rights
ask
charge
because
certainly
it
involves
voting
and
the
sort
of
City's
Constitution.
H
But
if
more
formal
action
were
necessary,
I
would
move
to
make
that
an
additional
item
for
the
human
rights
and
social
issues.
The
committee
to
take
a
look
at
and
propose
changes.
B
B
C
B
F
I
I
realized
that
I
I
must
have
dropped
a
stitch
somewhere
and
I'm
confused.
It's
not
the
first
time
when
we
got
the
material
for
today's
meeting.
F
The
material
with
regard
to
chart
was
included
and
I
thought
I
understood
from
commissioner
Ives
report
that
that
was
included
there,
because
the
subcommittee
on
human
rights
is
looking
at
Social
equity
and
the
social
Equity
institution.
That's
proposed
in
the
chart.
Material
was
material
to
the
discussion
and
I.
If
that's
the
Nexus,
that's
where
the
two
connect
great
I'm
hopeful
that
when
we
get
into
the
substance,
those
of
us
who
are
not
on
your
committee,
I
I
would
like
to
be
heard
on
this
question.
F
The
report
that
we
received
from
the
committee
expands
the
relevant
topic
areas
of
social
Equity
or
in
the
discussion
that
we
have
as
a
full
commission
I
will
state
my
opinion
about
that,
but
I
I,
the
way
I
see
it
reflected
in
the
material
that
the
council
is
already
considering.
F
B
All
right
Erin
did
you
have
your
hand
up
earlier
about
why
that
was
included.
Why
the
chart
resolution.
G
I
I
did
I
had
promised
to
send
it
to
the
commission
I
think
two
meetings
ago.
The
topic
that
it
was
out
there
came
up
and
I
said:
I
could
just
distribute
it,
so
it
wasn't
a
request
from
any
particular
committee
or
or
commission
member,
but
it
was
just
something
I
had
promised
to
send
out.
There
are
amendments
a
through
G
that
have
been
proposed
to
it.
G
Those
are
posted
with
the
governing
body
packet
from
last
night.
None
of
them
have
been
well
one
sorry
Amendment
a
was
adopted
by
one
of
the
Committees
as
it
was
heading
towards
governing
body
and
then
Amendment
f
is
being
considered.
It
has
been
moved
as
of
last
night,
but
that's
where
the
the
proceedings
were
paused
at
11,
30.,
yeah.
F
B
B
And
would
you
like
to
present
this
commissioner,
Ortiz
or
I
know,
we've
discussed
it
already,
foreign.
I
It
is
directly
out
of
the
model
best
practice
document,
so
nothing
has
been
deleted
in
terms
of
the
format
and
the
provisions
and
the
financial
management.
It
contains
exactly
all
the
pieces
that
the
best
practice
model
contains.
We
looked
at
the
current
city
Charter
to
see
what
elements
that
were
in
this
best
practice
model
are
already
contained
and
there
were
none.
There
were
very
few
mentions
other
than
other
than
the
independent
audit
committee.
There
were
very
few
mentions
in
our
current
Charter
about
plans.
They
talked
about
campaign
Finance.
I
They
talked
about
public
campaign
financing
campaign
contribution
limits.
These
are
all
Financial
kinds
of
issues:
timing,
disclosure
purposes
of
tax
increases,
Investments
procurement
and
then
the
last
piece
was
the
independent
audit
committee.
So
the
only
thing
I
think
I
could
add
is
is
if
the
commission
chooses
to
forward
this
proposal
intact.
I
Of
the
only
adaptation
that
the
city
councilors
would
need
to
look
at
doing
is
incorporating
the
independent
audit
committee
language
that
has
already
been
approved
that
exists
in
the
current
city
Charter
into
this
document,
and
that's
just
those
are
like
five
lines.
So
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
language
that
would
need
to
be
incorporated.
I
We,
we
didn't
Focus
I,
didn't
focus
on
redlining
and
trying
to
to
write
in
that,
because
I
felt
the
city
council
needs
to
look
at
this,
and
it's
in
its
current
structure
determine
if
they
even
want
to
do
it,
rather
than
confusing
the
issue
and
adding
the
four
sentences
for
the
independent
audit
committee.
So
that's
a
matter
of
format.
Do
we
format
it
here
before
we
send
it
to
the
city
council?
I
H
H
As
as
I
had
mentioned
earlier,
section
Article
5
in
the
current
Charter
under
the
mayor,
5.01
M
States
work
with
City
personnel
under
the
duties
of
the
mayor,
work
with
the
City
personnel
and
timely,
prepare
an
annual
budget
and
proposed
spending
priority
for
review
and
approval
by
the
finance
committee
and
the
governing
body,
and
so
that
was
actually
an
amendment
that
had
been
made
effective,
March,
12
2018.
H
So
in
the
round
of
Charter
amendments
and
mind
you
I,
don't
have
any
problem
putting
that
function
onto
the
city
manager,
as
that
I
would
agree,
based
upon
other
comments
made
that
that's
an
appropriate
spot
for
that
to
happen
and
more
likely
spreads
out.
The.
H
H
Reporting
the
responsibility
of
the
city
manager
to
not
only
the
mayor
but
also
to
the
council
for
budgetary
matters
in
a
more
appropriate
way.
So
I
don't
have
problems
with
the
substance.
But
again
my
challenge
was
there
seem
to
be
other
areas
within
the
charter
that
were
necessarily
going
to
need
to
be
amended.
Didn't
have
those
and
I
know,
commissioner
durdach
said
that
that's
part
of
the
additional
package
coming
so
I
appreciate
that
and
I
just
my
one
question
is:
do
we
want
to
vote
on
it
and
I
have
a
few
other
comments?
H
Do
we
want
to
vote
on
it
until
we
see
the
the
completeness
of
that,
and
so
just
a
question
for
what
we
try
and
accomplish
tonight,
I
note
in
the
item
under
the
section
and
it's
a
blank
and
then
says
or
underline
underscore
11
independent
audit.
It
has
three
numbered
sub
paragraphs.
It
says
the
council
so
designate
no
fewer
than
three
of
its
members
to
serve
as
an
audit
committee.
H
We,
of
course,
have
the
audit
committee,
and
so
you
know,
did
you
necessarily
want
to
say
forget
that
audit
committee
and
let's
do
something
entirely
new
with
three
city
councilors,
but
in
the
number
one
it
talks
about.
The
independent
auditor
number
two
talks
about
the
independent
auditor,
but
then
number
three
talks
about
the
report
of
the
internal
auditor
and
I
wasn't
sure
what
that
distinction
was
meant.
H
The
city
does
have,
or
at
least
when
I
was
a
counselor,
did,
have
an
internal
auditor
who
commissioned
and
saw
audits
of
various
departments
and
programs
over
the
course
of
each
year,
sort
of
cycling
through
the
entirety
of
city
government
on
a
three
to
five
year
cycle.
But
I
wasn't
sure
if
that
was
meant
to
capture
that
distinction.
H
There
was
no
other
mention
that
I
saw
of
internal
Monitor
and
then
finally,
you
know
obviously
some
of
the
big
issues
we've
had
with
City
audits
in
the
last
several
years,
and
this
had
been
an
issue
when
I
was
a
city
councilor,
but
we
finally
got
our
audits
in
on
time.
H
Is
it
worthwhile
saying
anything
about
the
timing
of
audits
and
the
creating
a
sense
of
priority,
rather
than
the
a
more
laissez-faire
approach,
notwithstanding
the
trials
of
the
Tyler
Computing
program
to
getting
our
budgets
in
on
time,
so
those
were
just
some
general
thoughts
and
questions
for
the
committee.
I
Yes,
commissioner,
Ortiz
I'd
be
happy
to
respond
to
some
of
those
in
terms
of
timing.
That's
the
beauty
of
this
best
practice
model
you'll,
see
as
you
read
through
it,
there's
a
lot
of
places,
but
there's
blanks
you
put
the
dates
in
there.
I
didn't
put
the
dates
now,
because
that's
up
to
the
the
city
to
do
in
terms
of
when
the
fiscal
year
is,
of
course,
that's
pretty
standard.
But,
as
you
look
at
the
document,
the
different
places
you
put
dates
in
so
that
holds
people
firm
to
those
dates.
I
The
dates
stayed
the
same
every
year.
They
know
what
what's
required.
So
timing
is
very
critical
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
issue
why
our
arms
have
not
been
on
time.
Those
dates,
those
drop
dead
dates.
Those
timelines
have
not
been
adhered
to.
So
that
is
a
real,
important
key
and
I'm
glad
you.
You
noticed
that,
in
terms
of
the
internal
and
auditor
and
independent
auditor,
this
is
merely
mainly
addressing
the
independent
auditor.
I
These
are
the
people
that
come
in
from
you
know:
a
contract
trying
to
comply
with
the
state
Auditors
requirements
that
each
municipality
instead
of
New
Mexico
be
audited,
and
so
this
is
pretty
much
focusing
on
Independent
otters.
Cities
can
have
internal
Auditors
if
they
choose
to
that's
an
additional
person.
I
They
hire
that
in
internal
auditor
works
for
the
city,
they're
not
doing
independent
on
it's,
the
independent
Auditors
on
contract,
providing
and
following
the
guidelines
that
the
state
auditor
requires
is
my
understanding
trying
to
look
at
my
notes
and
just
know
what
you
mentioned.
Oh
in
terms
of
the
provision.
Yes,
505m,
we've
got
that
highlighted
here.
It's
not
in
the
notes
that
you
got,
but
yes,
the
mayor
powers
and
duties
talk
about
the
mayor,
working
with
the
city
councilor
again,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
didn't
Redline
and
change
and
delete
language.
I
We
can
do
that
if
you
want
us
to
do
that
and
I
guess,
that's
a
question.
I
have
for
our
attorney
and
I.
Think
I've
asked
this
before:
what
kind
of
format
are
we
sending
this
to
the
city?
Councilors?
Are
we
sending
this
in
the
format
that
it
looks
like
a
legislative
bill?
This
is
current
language.
These
are
all
the
appropriate
things.
These
are
the
strikeouts.
These
are
the
add-ins
and
they
will
pull
everything
from
the
current
city.
I
Charter
that
relates
to
finances
and
it'll,
be
those
two
sections
section
501m
mayor's
part
of
the
duty
and
section
904
independent
audit
committee.
We
would
pull
those
two
sections
in
there
and
so
then
our
document
would
have
redlined
underlined
new
language
strikeouts
and
look
just
like
a
legislative
bill
so
that
that's
easy
to
do.
I
mean
we
could
do
that.
You
know
overnight
because
we
have
the
information.
We've
already
talked
about
that.
So
that's
more
of
a
format,
question
for
our
attorney.
I
H
Yeah
you
got
the
questions,
I
think
really
what
I
was
just
wondering
in
section
number
three
where
it
says,
receive
the
report
of
the
internal
auditor
of
his
more
asking.
Should
that
read
the
independent
auditor?
H
G
G
The
reason
I'd
raised
my
hand,
though,
is
a
number
of
these
sections-
are
governed
by
state
law,
which
is
probably
why
they're
not
in
our
Charter.
So
in
terms
of
the
auditor,
that's
governed
by
the
state
auditor,
the
mechanism
for
selecting
an
independent
auditor
and
timing
and
the
limitation
on
numbers
of
years
and
all
that,
so
we
can't
really
do
that
independent
of
him
currently
doesn't
him
and
then
so
also
the
budget
deadline
for
the
state.
G
We
are
overseen
by
the
Department
of
Finance
and
administration
for
our
timelines
for
Budget,
so
I.
You
might
want
to
consider
some
of
that
before
you.
You
make
a
final
recommendation
on
this
recommendation
and
then
I
think
to
counselor
Ives
point.
It
would
be
interesting
to
know
what
what
the
idea
is
of
the
committee
as
or
the
subcommittee
as
to
how
how
the
other
sections
it
would
be
impacted
how
they
would
be
impacted.
G
Are
we
just
striking
the
fact
that
the
mayor
submits
something
or
are
we?
Are
we
saying
anything
in
terms
of
his
role
and
then
it
might
also
be
helpful
to
know
maybe
just
the
Practical
nature
of
how
the
city
is
offering
on
some
of
these
points
right
now
in
terms
of
the
finance
committee
and
the
independent
audit
committee
to
see,
if
that's
something
you
want
to
either
memorialize
or
deviate
from
some
of
these,
things
are
also
an
ordinance.
So
the
Finance
committee's
Authority
is
an
ordinance
and
that
kind
of
thing.
Okay,.
I
But
I
I,
guess
I'm
wondering
if
you're
suggesting
we
have
to
research.
These
State
Auditors
audit
requirements,
I'm.
I
B
Yeah
so
I
think
it
does
make
sense
to
have
our
attorneys
look
at
this
and
provide
some
feedback
through
the
committee
through
the
subcommittee.
That
is
considering
it
and
I.
Think
all
of
these
points
are
really
helpful
for
that
final
review
and
for
further
discussion
if
that's
acceptable
to
the
subcommittee.
Yes,
commissioner,
dear
deck.
F
Beyond
acceptable,
it's
it's
exactly
right,
I,
but
it
raises
to
me
a
broader
question
when
the
commission
finally
reports,
it
seems
to
me
that
there's
another
task
that
we
amateurs
are
not
equipped
to
do,
and
that
is
a
harmonization,
and
it
could
very
well
be
that
any
of
our
proposals,
not
only
on
this
topic
but
on
others,
would
have
would
modify
claims
that
are
made
elsewhere
in
the
total
Charter,
and
we
would
be
ill-equipped
to
be
certain
that
Harmony
exists
among
all
the
particles
of
the
charter
as
a
whole.
F
A
B
Yeah
I
know
I
think
it
was
maybe
more
haphazard
than
that,
and
you
know
we
caught
things
that
were
affected
by
another
section.
B
B
You
know
Aaron
may
have
some
thoughts
on
that
too,
but
just
in
terms
of
the
report
I'm
looking
back
at
some
of
the
commissions
reports
from
past
decades-
and
it
does
seem
like
there
is-
you
know,
the
preferred
format
seems
to
be
the
here's,
the
section,
here's,
what
we
think
should
come
out
and
here's
underlining
what
should
come
in.
So
it
really
is
a
legislative
format
to
the
extent
that
we
can
do
it
I
think,
is
the
most
helpful.
B
G
Yeah
just
a
little
bit,
there
is
a
requirement
that
before
it
goes
to
the
voters
that
I
post
a
public
opinion
as
to
whether
or
not
the
proposals
are
legal
because
I
certain
I
can
I
can
provide
advice
or
information
and
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
vote
on
this
commission
and
I
don't
vote
on
the
governing
body
either?
Obviously
so,
but
I
did
notice
in
between.
G
You
know
the
recommendations
from
prior
commissions
and
the
ultimate
questions
put
forth
to
the
voters,
sometimes
they're
tweaked
a
little
bit
and
I
think
in
recognition
of
something
that
the
governing
body
either
knew
was
either
practice
or
just
they
thought
would
work
slightly
better,
so
I
think
in
terms
of
that.
That
could
definitely
happen.
Even
if
the
idea
itself
is,
you
know,
supported
by
the
governing
body.
Ultimately
they
might
think
a
different
term
or
something
that's
more
consistent
with
something
else
they
have
in
code
or
people.
G
That's
something
that
people
are
more
used
to
dealing
with
in
the
state
of
New
Mexico,
or
something
like
that
that
it
might
speak
to
the
harmonizing
idea
as
well.
B
Go
ahead,
that's.
F
Exactly
what
I
was
hoping,
what
happened?
That's
exactly
it
and
so
I'm
I'm
grateful
that
that's
considered
a
acceptable
and
common
practice
and
I
think
you're
going
to
be
happy
when
you
see
our
proposals,
one
and
three.
That
is
exactly
how
we
have
constructed
them,
and
the
item
that
that
Peter
has
raised
a
few
times
now
about
what
happens
to
the
role
of
the
mayor
in
the
citation
of
the
mayor's
duties.
As
a
result
of
this
financial
and
management
paragraph,
that's
that's
been
attended
to
with
strikeouts
and
underlines
right
quite
explicitly
good.
B
B
If
you
all
are
fine
with
this,
then
it's.
This
is
going
to
go
back
for
some
further
review
to
see
how
it
would
fit
in
with
the
charter,
and
so
we
have
something
specific
to
really
look
at
as
it
fits
within
our
Charter,
but
I
think
you've
you've
got
the
you've
got
the
idea
there
well-formed
and
just
needs
to
be
further
developed.
I
Chair,
yes,
and
so
I'm
was,
was
trying
to
understand
the
voting
of
the
different
pieces
where
we
were
resubmitting
them
now
it
was
let
me
back
up.
I
got
the
impression
we
were
wanting
to
start
funneling
out
to
our
meetings
like
this
first
one,
the
financial
management,
so
if
the
public
could
start
looking
at
it,
so
we're
really
not
ready
for
a
vote
now,
because
the
public
needs
to
look
at
it
and
then
we'd
be
voting
multiple
times.
I
Wouldn't
we
submit
them
for
concurrence
of
the
we've
we've
already
voted
on
the
subject
matter.
The
subcommittees
are
pulling
together
their
expertise
and
pulling
together
their
best
practice,
information
and
and
formatting
it
in
a
way
that
we
believe
Works
to
be
included
in
the
city
Charter.
Wouldn't
we
continue
to
put
those
different
pieces
out
as
part
of
our
meetings
and,
and
hopefully
we
get
more
publicity
so
that
the
community
even
knows
that
we
are
putting
together
different
different
pieces
so
that
we
can
get
input
and
I
guess
I
envision.
I
Our
voting
on
this
at
the
very
end,
once
we've
had
submissions
from
the
subcommittees
conversations
by
the
full
by
the
full
commission
like
we're
having
this
evening
and
then
the
attorneys
looking
at
and
saying.
Oh
no,
you
guys
got
to
change
this
because
that
does
not
align
with
the
state
Auditor's
timeline
before
we
vote
on
this,
because
we
could
spend
a
lot
of
time
voting
on
these
issues
and
I
think
there's
too
many
elements
of
pieces
that
we
need
to
incorporate
as
we
move
forward
to
include
public
comment.
B
Yeah
and
I
think
it.
You
know,
to
the
extent
that
we
can
have
these
specific
items
on
the
agenda.
Even
have
your
proposal
there
that
the
public
can
access
if
they,
if
they
wish
to
I,
think
all
of
that's
beneficial,
even
though
we're
not
ready
for
a
final
vote
on
it.
So
I,
don't
I
I
think
that
that
goal
certainly
has
been
accomplished,
at
least
as
to
this
piece
of
it.
B
If
we
want
to
just
be
more
specific
about
what
you
all
are
looking
at,
but
I
think
getting
the
reports
by
the
end
of
march
on
what
the
Committees
are
recommending
and
then
maybe
what
you're
suggesting
is.
We
may
not
necessarily
be
voting
at
that
time,
but
we
will
be
discussing
them
a
lot.
I
am
sure
and
then
we'll
be
voting
on
the
final
report
in
April
and
hopefully
getting
some
more
input
from
the
public
on
the
items.
B
But
yes,
either
the
items
have
all
been,
we've
decided
to
consider
them
right
or
the
council
has
told
us
to
consider
them
and
so
and
whether
we
decide
to
do
anything
and
where
it
sounds
like
the
subcommittee.
Certainly,
on
governance
is
going
to
come
back
on
some
of
those
items
that
were
referred
to
us
and
say
no.
We
don't
have
a
recommendation
here
and
here's
why
we
don't
think
there
should
be
a
charter
Amendment,
so
we
will
have
final
votes
on
on
on
all
of
those
items.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
and
really
specifically
Aaron,
given
the
time
frame
right
now
and
for
our
committee
to
come
with
the
final
recommendations
with
regards
to
the
financial
piece,
I'm,
hoping
that
we
can
have
your
Insight
so
that
we
can
have
a
subcommittee
meeting
well
in
advance
of
the
next
commission
meeting
with
your
analysis
of
what's
legal.
What's
not
legal!
What
we
can
and
can't
do
so
that
we
have
enough
time
to
prepare
what.
In
fact,
we
are
recommending
at
the
March
meeting
and
end
of
March
meeting.
L
So
I
guess
I'm
wondering
what
the
time
frame
is
to
hear
back
from
you
all
on
that,
as
well
as
the
one
that
Paul
is
resubmitting
to
you
all
this
evening.
G
G
What
I
don't
think
we
can
do
is
that
type
of
rectifying
and
say
I
think
we
can
give
you
like
heads
up
there's
some
sections
that
need
to
be
changed
along
with
this
and
what
I'm
thinking
I'm
going
to
give
you
is
kind
of
like
this
whole
section
is
governed
by
the
statute
already
that
type
of
thing
for
each
section
and
then
I
would
like
to
circulate
my
comments
to
our
budget
team
too,
just
to
make
sure
they
don't
have
any
feasibility
feedback,
although
they
are
preparing
the
budget
right
now.
G
I'm
sure
I
mean
that's
gonna
be
the
first
question
from
the
governing
body
is:
does
this
make
sense,
budget
team
right
and
I
guess
it
would
be
nice
for
you
all,
probably
to
know
as
well
right
if
they're
able
to
give
any
feedback
on
that
I.
L
B
I
G
I
E
G
Concern
is
that
it's
governed
by
a
different
agency,
the
agency
right
by
the
state,
the
State
Department
of
Finance
and
Administration-
has
a
local
government,
Division
and
they're
the
ones
who
actually
govern
that
schedule
and
then.
G
What
might
be
very
helpful
because
I
don't
know
how
significant
the
document
is?
I
did
see
it
come
in
from
commissioner
Dyrdek
just
now
or
earlier
this
meeting.
If
there's
priorities
of
of
the
you
know,
knowing
that
as
well
amongst
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
how
substantial
the
other
proposal
is.
I
mean
this
one's.
You
know
several
pages
and
covers
multiple
topics
that
are
governed
by
multiple
other
agencies.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
based
upon
time
on
Council,
the
city
regularly
tried
to
approve
its
following
Year's
fiscal
budget
at
the
last
city
council
meeting
in
May
as
it
had
to
be
submitted
by
June
30th,
and
then
it
has
to
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
DFA.
So
that
was.
H
A
rough
time
frame
used
internally
in
terms
of
having
a
budget
that's
approved
by
the
the
governing
body
that
is
then
submitted
to
the
state.
During
the
Gonzalez
Administration,
we
did
adopt
a
resolution
on
the
budgeting
process,
which
called
for
a
budget
to
be
brought
forth
by
the
mayor.
H
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
the
beginning
of
March
or
the
beginning
of
April,
but
it
was
one
of
those
two
dates
and
then
basically,
the
finance
committee
would
hold
a
series
of
hearings,
often
consisting
of
four
or
five
full
days
in
which
each
department
that
the
city
would
present
its
budgetary,
its
budget
to
the
finance
committee,
which
was
often
attended
by
the
counselors,
who
were
not
members
of
the
finance
committee.
In
order
that
they
would
be
fully
informed
on
the
budgetary
process
that
covers
the
operational
budget.
H
Significantly,
the
capital
of
budget
was
more
generally
looked
at
by
the
public
works
committee
and
often
got
finally
approved
once
the
operational
budget
was
done
so
in
a
sort
of
last
minute
rush.
But
there
was
a
continual
updating
of
the
icip,
which
is
a
sort
of
capital
projects
listing
five
of
which
the
five
priorities
of
which
have
to
be
submitted
to
the
state
annually,
I
believe
in
September,
so
that
they
can
be
considered
during
the
the
legislative
session.
H
So
yeah
City
budget
has
to
go
to
the
state
sometime
between
that
last
meeting
in
May
and
the
end
of
June.
It
gets
reviewed
and
approved
by
DFA
or
rejected
another
possibility,
certainly,
and
it
has
to
be
a
balanced
budget,
but
internally,
it's
being
brought
forward
either
right
around
this
time,
and
then
it
would
be
going
to
the
finance
committee.
The
finance
committee
would
be
holding
a
series
of
hearings
where
the
Departments
would
present,
along
with
the
Department
of
Finance.
B
But
just
are
a
process:
yes,
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
it
that
you're,
you
know
waiting
on
more
information
from
one
place
or
another,
so
I
don't
know
that
the
timelines
are
always
strictly
adhered
too.
But
okay,
is
there
anything
else
from
staff?
I
know
you've
weighed
in
on
a
few
things
this
evening.
Aaron.
Is
there
anything
else.
G
We
will
try
to
make
the
link
or
I
will
try
to
get
the
calendar
invite
out
earlier
on
the
as
an
Outlook
invite
for
next
meeting.
It
is
a
virtual
meeting
for
the
second
meeting
in
March
as
well,
and
then
in
April,
we're
scheduled
to
come
back
into
council
chambers
and
we'll
look
into
Mr
Johnson's
concern
about
premgov.
L
G
Find
out
what
was
going
on
with
that?
Okay
and.
G
Then
chair,
if
you
have
Community
engagement
things,
you
want
me
to
look
into
please.
Let
me
know.
B
Okay,
if
we
can
talk
about
that,
I
was
planning.
You
know,
I
have
reached
out
to
the
newspapers
who
said
yeah
they
may
come
and
cover
it,
but
I
thought
maybe
a
letter
to
the
editor.
Once
we
have
the
proposals
out
the
door
at
the
you
know
end
of
the
month,
so
that
I
can
describe
those
in
the
letter
so
I'll
plan
on
doing
that,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
whether
there's
any
other
efforts
we
can
make.
H
Just
two
quick
items:
I
did
I,
have
a
request
from
a
Community
member
with
regards
to
at
large
elections,
and
so
Aaron
I
was
just
hoping
you
could
send
me
the
materials
you
had
prepared
on
that
issue.
I
think
you
did
that
early
on
in
our
process
and
as
I
recall,
there
was
some
prohibition
on
doing
at
large
or.
H
That's
what
I
was
thinking
I,
just
don't
have
it
so
I
was
hoping
to
be.
Recent
I
also
had
a
a
little
bit
of
input
from
a
Community
member
on
the
Article
2
Section
on
the
local
economy,
wanting
to
focus
on
aspects
of
the
creative
economy,
which
is
so
significant
in
Santa
Fe,
so
know
that
I'm
having
a
discussion
on
that,
so
I
may
bring
something
back
as
a
potential
new
item
to
the
commission.
At
our
next
meeting.
I
I'm
working
on
two
computers
here
matter
of
fact,
I
was
just
going
to
add
to
what
you
were
saying
about
publicizing
our
work.
I
was
just
gonna
add
the
one
thing
that
was
so
helpful
for
the
independent
redistricting
commission
was
on
the
city's
website,
page
the
very
front
of
it
and
I'm.
Looking
at
it
now
right
under
meetings
and
agendas.
Us
we
added
link
right
there
on
that.
First
page,
that
allowed
residents
of
the
city
to
look
at
all
five
maps
that
we
were
looking
at.
I
They
just
had
to
hit
that
and
they
got
to
the
maps
they
got
to
the
background
information.
It
was
really
quick
and
easy
very
user
friendly
and
that's
what
we
got
the
majority
of
our
people
looking
at
our
data
if
it
was
on
the
front
page
and
they
didn't
have
to
figure
out
to
go
to
meetings
and
agendas
or
figure
out
what
the
the
meeting
was
called
so
I'm
just
throwing
that
out,
because
that's
what
worked
the
best
for
us
anyway.
Thank
you.
B
B
The
30th
okay,
okay,
so
it
is
March
30th
and
it
will
be
as
we
are
today,
it'll
be
a
complete
virtual
meeting
and
there'll
be
a
lot
of
work
to
get
done
before
then.
Thank
you.
Everyone,
it's
a
long
meeting
tonight,
but
we
got
through.