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C
I
may
have
been
it
was
like
two
weeks.
Let
me
look
it
up.
A
Yeah,
I
did
actually
talk
to
the
chief
and
give
me
some
insight
that
he
was
moving
forward
with
the
items
that
we
were
talking
ab
inquiring
about
ia.
A
E
D
He's
he's
gonna
participate
in
the
american
ninja.
A
He's
competing
in
american
ninja
warrior
yeah.
It's
awesome.
I
want
to
see
it.
Who
is
that
our
chief,
our
new
chief,
oh
really,
yeah,
that's
awesome.
Did
you
share
that
with
the
with
the
public
safety
rupert
how'd,
you
find
out,
I'm
not
calling.
A
Let's
see
wi-fi.
A
A
Hello,
mary,
louise
hello,
emily
chris
is
there
somewhere
mary
louise.
I
was
thinking
about
you
last
weekend
when
I
was
watching
ncaa
basketball
for
some
reason
and
the
games.
A
Mary
louise
was
the
best,
and
I'm
not
just
saying
this,
but
one
of
the
best
refs
in
school
bear
knew
what
she
was
talking
about
was
always
really
on
top
of
the
game
for
our
volleyball.
F
A
F
Yeah,
maybe
not,
but
maybe
hey.
I
have
a
question
so
we're
presenting
tonight
and
do
I
have
permission
to
do
the
powerpoint.
A
Oh,
let's
hope
so.
Do
you
wanna.
A
Oh
good,
okay!
Well,
let's,
let's
see
who
are
we
waiting
for.
A
She
is
monica's,
the
only
one
that
I
know
of
that
cannot
join
us
because
she
had
a
emergency
with
her
pet
and
who
else
is
missing.
I
don't
think
I
got
any
emails.
Chris.
Are
you
there.
G
A
A
A
So
do
we
know
the
the
person
that's
al
pedes.
Are
you
just
listening
in
if
you
want
to
reveal
your
camera
or.
G
E
My
name
is
india,
just
listening
in
to
see
what
you
guys
have
to
say
for
today
don't
mind
me
I'll,
be
in
the
background.
E
A
The
name
you
have
on
your
zoom,
so
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
started
starting
our
community
health
and
safety
task
force
regular
meeting
on
march
22nd
2022
at
5
37,
and
we
usually
do
our
roll
call
just
announcing
who's.
Here
we
have
annie
rasquin,
bruce
finger,
emily
cottenbach,
gino,
zamora,
mary,
louise
romero,
bettencourt
marcella
diaz
and
our
facilitator,
valeria
alarcon
and
co-chairs
me
rene
viariel
and
chris
vivera,
all
right.
So
we'll
jump
onto
the
communication
from
co-chairs.
A
Chris,
do
you
want
to
share?
I
missed
all
the
email
back
and
forth
today,
but
I
know
there
was
some
updates
related
to
the
community
engagement
contract
with
unm
center
for
social
policy.
I
keep
saying
civic
policy,
although
there
is
an
entity
of
that
name,
but
it's
social
policy.
So
was
there
anything
you
want
to
update.
D
I
was
just
reviewing
it
myself,
just
while
we
were
waiting
here
and
it
looks
like
the
contract
has
been
sent
to
unm
and
it's
just
waiting
for
them
to
look
it
over,
make
any
changes
and
then
it'll
come
back
to
our
legal
department.
So
we're
in
that
phase,
where
lawyers
are
talking
to
lawyers
and
making
sure
all
the
language
is
okay,.
A
We
love
that
great
I
forgot
to
mention
monica
alt
is
excused.
I
think
some
of
you
heard
that
earlier.
D
D
No,
I
think
that's
where
we're
at
and
it
looks
I'm
a
little
confused
about
our
contract
with
valettia
there's.
It
sounds
like
there's
funding
and
then
it
sounds
like
there's
not
funding,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
there
is
funding.
So
we'll
just
have
to
keep
an
eye
on
that
one.
But
I
think
last
we
heard
is
that
there
is
funding.
We
just
need
to
figure
out
what
the
process
is
to
renew.
A
Yes,
very
good.
The
other
thing
is
that
you
all
are
aware
that
next
week,
at
our
governing
body
meeting
will
be
providing
a
quarterly
update
to
the
to
the
council.
A
So
we've
been
preparing,
we
have
a
draft
of
a
presentation
that
we've
been
working
on
with
valeria
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
later
on
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
but
we're
prepared
to
give
an
update
and
the
goal
was
to
have
some
of
you
or
all
of
you
be
present
at
the
meeting.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
It
doesn't
mean
that
all
of
us
need
to
present.
A
We
can
decide
if
there's
members
that
want
to
present
with
valeria
and
chris
and
I
so
we
can
also
talk
about
that
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
But
anything
else
on
that
folks.
H
That's
sorry,
renee,
that's
on
the
30th
is
that
right.
B
A
So
this
is
our
requirement
for
the
task
force.
So
this
is
really
just
an
update
on
a
lot
of
the
information
sessions
we've
had
in
presentations,
obviously,
and
then
what
each
of
the
working
groups
have
accomplished
thus
far
and
the
fact
that
we
still
don't
have
a
staff
person
we'll
make
sure
to
add
that
into
the
mix,
but
I
think
other
than
that.
It's
just
really
just
summarizing
the
last
three
months.
G
Right
and
renee
just
to
confirm
march
30th
at
5
or
5
thirty
mountain
standard.
A
Well,
we
start
our
meetings
at
five.
We
have
the
beginning
kind
of
the
approval
minutes
and
all
the
all
that
at
the
beginning,
so
I'd
say
between
5
and
5
30..
So
those
of
us
that
are
actually
presenting
it'd
be
good
to
just
be
there
at
five,
so
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
any
technical
difficulties
and
if
those
of
you
that
are
able
to
join
us,
can
you
let
us
know
ahead
of
time.
So
we
can
look
for
your
name
and
or
we
can
also
send
you
the
link
to
the
meeting.
D
A
D
Did
we
talk
about
maybe
having
more
than
one
person
presenting?
Did
you
say
that?
Did
you
mention
that
okay.
A
About
the
possibility
we
haven't
defined
that
yet
so,
but
I
think
we
could
talk
about
that
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
A
All
right,
I
guess
we
lost
our
guests,
I
don't
see
them
anymore,
all
right.
So,
let's
move
on
valeria
to
communications
from
the
facilitator.
G
Yeah,
so
just
wanted
greetings
everyone
and
happy
tuesday,
so
great
to
be
here
with
you.
I
just
wanted
just
to
you
know,
share
a
little
gentle
reminder
with
regards
to
that
work
plan.
I
know
you
all
asked
for
a
meeting
calendar
for
the
rest
of
the
year
so
that
we
can
start
identifying
the
types
of
presentations
or
information
sessions
that
you
all
want
to
coordinate
and
having
it
in
one
central
place
so
that
we
can
also
you
know,
support
that
coordination.
However,
we
can
so.
G
I
included
that
in
the
in
the
on
wednesday,
from
our
last
after
our
last
meeting
and
also
as
we
are
preparing
to
produce
not
just
the
quarterly
report,
but
also
update
the
slide,
the
slide
deck.
This
is
also
the
place
where
it
would
be
great
if
you
could
include
any
updates
other
than
the
ones
that
have
been
shared
during
the
meetings.
Of
course,
I
I
take
notes
vigorously
and
thoroughly,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
nothing
has
been
missed.
G
So
if
you
could
just
take
a
look
at
that
work
plan
and
and
include
anything
that
isn't
reflected
in
there,
that's
taking
place
in
the
last
three
months,
that
would
be
deeply
appreciated
and
I
will
resend
this
link.
Everyone
has
editing
access,
so
I
will
I'll
resend
this
link
in
the
follow-up
email
and
it
would
be
great
to
have
any
final
input,
but
no
later
than
end
of
I
don't
know
the
end
of
this
week.
G
So
that
gives
us
time
to
make
sure
that
the
quarterly
report
is
ready
to
go
for
for
next
week.
So
that
would
be
incredibly
helpful,
renee
any
any
thoughts
around
that
in
terms
of
due
date,
thursday
friday.
I
know
you
and
I
and
chris
will
probably
need
to
have
a
working
session
before
the
30th
just
to
make
sure
all
of
our
tees
are
crossed
and
eyes
are
dotted.
A
Yeah
and
the
work
plan
that
melletti
is
talking
about
is
our
internal
work
plan
right
so
that
we
are
seeing
where
we're
on
track.
What's
kind
of
taking
longer.
We
all
kind
of
know
that,
but
to
document
it
and
then
we
take
parts
of
those
and
then
we're
putting
them
into
our
our
quarterly
update.
So
there's
some
things.
Obviously
the
details.
A
We
don't
need
all
the
details
in
the
presentation
to
the
governing
body,
but
it
does
help
us
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
miss
anything,
especially
in
the
working
groups
that
we
didn't
capture.
So
that's
why
there
is
yeah.
I
would
actually
like
it
that
we,
you
provide
us
feedback
by
thursday
because
friday
we
actually
have
to
submit
something
to
that's
right
to
the
for
the
packet
material
granted.
We
can
still
work
on
things
if
we
need
to
before
the
presentation,
but
you
know
most
most
of
the
time.
A
We
never
see
presentations
ahead
of
time,
it's
kind
of
interesting
and
then
we
get
them
and
there's
less
questions
and
then,
when
we
submit
things
ahead
of
time,
there's
a
lot
of
questions,
but
that's
okay.
I
think
it's
important
to
see
something
ahead
of
time.
I
like
to
review
things
ahead
of
time
when
there's
a
presentation
to
the
governing
body
so,
but
we
could
tweak
it
as
needed.
It
just
would
be
helpful
to
get
your
feedback
on
that
and
for
gina
who
hasn't
seen
it.
A
You
know
just
to
to
look
at
that
document
and
I
think
it's
fairly
complete,
there's
just
some.
You
know
areas
that
we
need
to
tell
so
just
to
note
that
and
please
share.
A
B
Our
update
and
renee,
please
give
the
formal
working
group
name
that
we're
all
part
of.
E
A
B
Making
sure
yeah
we
had
a
good
session
the
last
time
around
and
I'm
looking
up
the
the
email
where
we're,
following
up
on
citizen
review,
board
type
of
issues
and
ordinances
and
tracking
a
lot
of
the
time
frames
on
that
with
bruce's
help.
We
found
the
originating
ordinance
from
the
late
90s
and
we
can
build
forward
from
there
to
see
when
the
the
the
committee
met
if
it's
ever
met
and
and
how
that
gets
revived.
It
it's
a
remaining
ordinance
and
I
want
to
be
a
little
more
specific.
B
I'm
trying
to
talk
and
and
look
up,
my
emails
at
the
same
time.
But
the
most
interesting
thing
is
that
that
committee
remains
in
ordinance
and
remains
with
the
mandate
of
periodic
meetings,
but
it
just
appears
that
it
it
fell
to
the
wayside.
Decades
ago.
B
C
A
D
A
A
I
do
know
that
the
chief
has
looked
at
this
document
as
it
relates
to
ai
and
some
of
their
practices
and
the
internal
affairs
policies,
so
he
did
say
that
he
has
somebody
on
it,
helping
to
gather
that
information,
so
that
was
good
to
hear
anything
else
from
our
team,
all
right.
H
I
think
it's
just
the
alternative
response
group.
We
met
after
last
meeting
and
talked
a
lot
about
the
presentations
that
we
were
going
to
that
were
either
presented.
Marcella
and
mary
louise
will
be
presenting
tonight
and
then
the
other
presentations
around
fines
and
fees
and
traffic
alternative
models
for
traffic,
offenses
and
behavioral
health
and
drug
offenses,
and
so
we
shared
some
ideas
of
how
to
actually
organize
those
presentations
that
would
be
best
suited
for
this
group
and
the
idea.
E
H
Having
in
some
cases
like
an
overview
like
marcelo
and
mary
louise
are
doing
and
then
invite
like
a
panel
of
experts,
and
so
we
were
talking
through
like
what
would
be
best.
I
guess
I
do
have
a
question
I
apologize
valeria,
I
was
look.
I
was
trying
to
pull
up
all
the
documents
when
you
were
talking,
because
we
were
again
reiterating
how
important
it's
going
to
be
to
have
a
calendar
so
that
we
can
reach
out
to
those
individuals
for
the
panels.
H
H
G
Up
yeah
yeah,
so
I
put
together,
I
I
put
together
that
request
in
the
work
plan
in
the
workforce:
okay,
yeah
yeah,
which
I
included
in
the
email.
You
know
the
action
items
email
from
the
last
time
we
met
it
was
the
wednesday
after
wednesday
march
9th,
and
so
that's
what
I
heard
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
that
you
you
wanted
a
you
all
wanted
a
place
where
you
can
start
planning
for
the
entire
year,
where
we're
gonna
schedule
what
presentations
right
so
that
we
can.
G
We
can
plan
ahead
and
frame
the
agendas
accordingly
and
so
forth.
So
let
me
know
if
that
format
on
page.
Well,
don't
let
me
look.
A
It
was
a
separate
link
that
you
provided
us,
valeria,
yeah
and,
and
I
went
in
it-
the
I
guess,
it'll
be
helpful
to
know
from
you
all
there's
two
columns
she
created.
One
was
policies
and
practices
working
group
and
then
the
alternative
response,
and
so
those
are
their
own
columns
and
then
there's
all
the
dates
right
for
the
future.
H
B
H
H
G
Share
yeah,
if
you
can
put
in
your
recommendations-
and
I
agree
with
you
emily-
I
don't
think
overlapping.
We
may
want
to
avoid
that
overlap
because
of
the
time
constraint,
and
also
because
what
we
learned
from
previous
presentations.
It's
important
like
to
create
some
space
for
q
a
and,
if
there's
panel
discussions,
then
there's
going
to
be
the
need
for
time
and
space
for
people
to
ask
questions
and
have
dialogue
or
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
I
my
advice
would
be
to
not
overlap.
G
There
might
be
situations
where
practice,
policies
and
practices
and
alternative
approaches
and
community
engagement
presentations
might
complement
each
other,
and
it
also
depends
on
you
know
the
length
of
these
presentations.
So
so
there's
that
consideration
as
well
right,
but
I
I
would
just
advise
to
stick
to
one
presentation
at
a
time
if
that
helps.
Thank.
H
You
that
does,
and
just
another
thought
looking
at
this
table
that
maybe
we
should
populate
it
with
when
we
want
our
recommendation
draft
recommendations
to
be
done
so
that
we
can
work
backwards.
Also
from
you
know,
since
we
have
a
year
when
are
we
going
to
be
presenting
the
final
recommendations
back
to
the
council,
because
that
would
help
us
think
through
like
we
wouldn't
want
to
be
doing
presentations,
perhaps
in
august
or
september,
if
that's
when
we're
going
to
be
working.
So
that's
just
another
thought
for
that.
G
Yeah,
I
would
say
that,
based
on
last
year
and
what
the
trend
seems
to
be
with
internally
at
the
city,
that
it
would
be
sometime
in
either
that
november,
first
or
november
15th,
which
I
highlighted
in
yellow,
but
that
november
that
november
day
we
would
have
to
confirm
with
the
city,
and
so
I'm
sorry,
renee
and
chris
will
turn
to
you
to
confirm
that
with
the
governing
body.
Since
we
don't
have
a
city
person
to
help
us
coordinate.
All
of
that.
G
A
So
that
would
be
a
target
we
talked
about
with
marcella
doing
it
earlier
if
possible,
but
because
things
are
slow
going
at
the
beginning
of
this
quarter,
I
think
we're
gonna.
I
think
things
will
take
a
little
bit
longer
so,
okay,
I'd
reserve
november,
9th
and
then
december,
just
in
case
december
14th.
G
A
All
right,
so
we
are
moving
on
to
our
presentation.
A
G
F
So,
while
she's
sharing,
I
want
you
guys
to
think
of
this
question.
Are
you
guys
ready
since
marcelo
and
I
are
on?
I
want
you
to
raise
your
hand
with
me
and
turn
on
those
little
cameras,
because
we're
gonna
be
we're
gonna
be
honest
with
each
other.
So
I
want
you
to
raise
your
hand
with
me
if
you've
ever
made
a
decision
in
your
life
that
you
wish
that
you
would
have
done
differently.
F
Raise
your
hand
with
me,
okay,
and
I
want
you
to
raise
your
hand
with
me
if
you
have
ever
fallen
short
with
another
human
being
yeah.
So
I
want
us
to
start
off
with
that
and
when
marcella
starts,
can
you
present
her.
F
F
So
while
our
superhero,
our
super
shiro
renee
yay,
what
what.
F
A
F
So
I'll
just
start
by
saying
how
many
of
you
guys
have
heard
of
restorative
justice,
how
many
of
you
have
been
included
in
one
of
the
restorative
justice
circles,
conferences,
anything
how
many
have
have
you
had
experiences
in
it?
Oh
cool,
so
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
I
have
the
best
job
in
the
world
coming
from
working
with
juvenile
justice
and
running
an
alternative
to
detention
program.
Restorative
justice
has
really
been
the
instrument
that
I
have
used
with
every
case
that
I've
ever
worked
with.
F
So
I
want
us
to
think
of
this.
I
want
us
to
think
of
of
restorative
justice
as
an
idea
that
crime
is
crime,
is
a
violation
of
people
and
relationships,
so
think
about
that
when
we
make
a
bad
choice,
we
we
have
this
opportunity
to
think
about.
Everybody.
That's
been
affected
by
the
choice
that
we've
made
or
if
we
we
violate
by
breaking
the
law
right.
A
lot
of
what
happens
is
that
violations
are
looked
at
in
a
punitive
way
and
so
there's
really
never
any
bridge
building.
I
F
So
so
I'll
start
with
just
by
violations.
When
we
talk
about
violations,
they
they
create
obligations,
and
so
restorative
justice
looks
to
heal
the
harm.
F
So,
let's
think
about
that,
and-
and
I
want
to
share
with
you
guys
that
before
we
had
juvenile
probation
officers
before
we
had
police
officers
and
judges,
the
indigenous
people
would
bring
in
their
village
and
they
would
use
a
beautiful
talking
piece
and
they
would
in
a
circle,
talk
about
what
violation
had
happened
and
who
had
been
harmed
by
the
behavior
in
the
village
and
after
we
decided
that
we
needed
to
have
a
different
judicial
system
kind
of
they
abolished
the
restorative
justice
practices.
F
But
I
wanna,
I
want
everyone
to
just
envision
that
when
someone
you
know,
breaks
the
code
of
conduct
in
school
I'll,
give
you
an
example
of
that.
You
know
before
we
had
restorative
justice.
What
would
happen
is
a
student
would
get
suspended
and
then
the
student
would
come
back
and
behavior
wouldn't
change.
F
So
I
want
us
to
think
about
that
and
when
you
think
about
crime
in
our
community,
sometimes
in
the
courtroom,
a
victim
is
still
feeling
like
a
victim,
because
they've
been
re-victimized
by
the
way
the
court
system
has
handled
the
case
and
the
the
offender,
the
person
of
concern
and
that's
what
we
use
as
the
language
walks
away
and
there's
been
no
healing
done.
F
One
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
share
before
we
we
switch
the
slide
is
I
want
us
to
think
of
this
if
you're
a
mom
or
if
you're
a
dad,
sometimes
our
kids
make
a
bad
choice.
They
they
have
a
speed
bump,
and
so
what
I
tell
parents
is
the
way
I
explain.
Restorative
justice
is
we
get
to
separate
the
person
from
the
behavior?
I
love
you,
but
I
don't
have
to
love
what
you
did
and
when
it
comes
to
crime.
F
This
is
what
you
did,
but
it
doesn't
mean
you're
a
bad
person,
and
I
want
to
start
by
that
so
marcella
I'll.
Let
you,
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
this
slide.
Please
do.
I
No
thank
you
mary
louise.
I
really
appreciate
that
you
kind
of
started
with
sort
of
what's
at
the
heart
of
rj
or
restorative
justice
and
many
people
of
color
communities
of
color
organizations,
community
groups
across
the
country.
You
know
some
of
us
refer
to
refer
to
it
as
restorative
justice,
some
as
reparative
justice
and
others
as
transformative
justice,
there's
sort
of
a
spectrum
of
ways
to
think
about
what
rj
does.
I
But
basically
it
is
an
answer
to
a
system
for
the
last
30
years,
a
tough
on
crime
approach
that
just
simply
hasn't
worked,
and
so
you
know
we
all
know
and
we're
on
this
committee,
because
we
understand
that
there
is.
I
There
are
problems
within
the
system
that
need
to
be
addressed,
and
this
30-year
tough
on
crime
era
has
has
just
had
devastating
effects
on
people
of
color
families,
children,
communities,
whole
communities,
and
so
what
we
know
is
that
since
the
80s
there's
been
a
500
increase
in
incarceration,
but
we're
not
safer,
crime
rates
are
very
similar.
I
Recidivism
is
not
going
down.
In
fact
it's
gone
up
and,
more
importantly,
for
for
for
folks
who
are
really
trying
to
understand.
One
of
the
origins
of
rj
victims
are
not
really
given
a
strong
voice
in
the
current
criminal
justice
system
and
are
not
healed
by
the
current
system.
I
Public
safety
and
the
criminal
justice
apparatus
has
become
very
expensive
and
it
often
exceeds
far
exceeds
the
money
that
is
spent
on
education,
health
in
many
state
budgets,
including
ours,
in
new
mexico,
and
then,
of
course,
we
know
that
it
harms
families
and
children
who
have
to
face
separation
because
loss
of
income-
and
you
know-
we've
been
talking
about
fines
and
fees.
I
There
are
so
many
ways
that
it
impacts,
children
and
families
and
other
social
determinants
of
health,
and
so
restorative
justice
programs,
both
for
youth
and
as
adults,
and
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
programs
that
we
think
we
should
be
taking
a
look
at
and
we're
going
to
be
inviting
some
of
the
practitioners
within
those
programs
to
to
join
us
as
a
part
of
a
rj
panel
presentation.
I
But
we
know
that
rj
is
sort
of
a
fast-growing
national,
an
international
social
movement
and
a
philosophical
approach
that
mary
louise
has
offered.
He
has
already
sort
of
talked
about
that
focuses
on
the
needs
of
the
victim
and
the
offender,
as
well
as
the
involved
community,
and
so
that's
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
it's
emerged
after
we
talk
about
some
of
the
principles
on
the
next
slide.
G
I
It
is
so
the
system
that
isn't
working
that
is
really
harming
families,
communities
really
expensive
system
that
that
hasn't
had
the
kinds
of
results
that
we've
wanted
is
is
the
traditional
us
justice
system
and
the
principles
in
that
system
that
we're
trying
to
contrast
the
principles
of
rj
is
that
you
know
crime
is
a
violation
of
the
law
and
the
state,
it's
very
hard
to
think
of
crime,
as
anything
else
other
than
that
within
our
current
system.
I
That
justice
requires
the
state
to
determine
blame
it.
So
so
the
state,
through
its
judges,
through
its
jury,
determine
guilt
and
impose
pain
or
punishment.
I
Victims
have
very
little
voice
in
this,
despite
burgeoning
in
the
in
the
80s
in
the
70s
victims,
rights
movements,
punishment,
which
is
usually
in
the
form
of
incarceration
or
detention,
can
also
be.
You
know.
Fines
and
fees
monica
often
talks
about
that,
and
it's
it's
also
about
taking
away
rights
from
people
and-
and
we
know
that
there
has
been
a
major
effort
to
restore,
even
in
this
state,
to
restore
rights
to
felons
to
vote,
for
instance,
but
so
many
other
rights
are
taken
away
as
a
result
of
incarceration
records.
I
That
organizations
like
you
know,
dpa
drug
policy
alliance
have
really
fought
back.
You
know
banned
the
box,
you
know
making
sure
that
people
can
still
rent,
despite
felonies
on
their
records,
etc.
Our
current
system
really
is
about
retribution
and
vengeance.
It
responds
to
one
harm
with
a
second
harm,
and
it's
really
based
on
this
idea
of
just
asserts
right.
I
If
someone
suffers,
the
person
responsible
also
must
suffer
and,
and
it
really
and
sort
of
the
basis
of
it
is
offenders
get
what
they
deserve
and
that's,
basically,
what
our
whole
system
is
set
on
mary
louise.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
this.
I
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
we
know
that
so
on
the
current
on
the
left-hand
side,
you
know
it's
the
sort
of
the
current
justice
system
on
the
right-hand
side.
What
rj
really
aspires
to
nationally
and
globally?
So
much
like
the
previous
slide.
I
You
know
we,
we
harm
people
and
their
families
and
their
communities
who
harm
people
to
show
the
world
that
harming
people
is
wrong,
and
this
is
an
endless
cycle
of
harm
and
and
the
basis
of
our
current
system
and
rj
tries
to
disrupt
that
including
victim's
voice
and
also
including
a
repair
of
the
harm
and
the
damage
to
a
community
that
is
done
by
these
broken
rules
by
the
tearing
of
the
fabric
of
the
community.
That
results,
usually
from
crime
and
and
other
forms
of
of
transgressions
justice
focuses
on
the
offender.
I
Not
the
victim.
Rj
focuses
on
the
person
and
the
people
harmed
the
community
harmed,
and
it
also
is
based
in
empathy,
accountability,
prevention
of
recurrence
and
healing
so
they're,
just
really
two
completely
different
approaches
to
dealing
with
crime
in
general
and
again,
we
often
think
of
restorative
justice
programs.
I
You
know
my
mom
is
a
kindergarten
teacher
in
california,
for
instance,
and
there's
just
this
major
drive
to
retrain
teachers
in
their
classroom
management
and
in
their
discipline
and
principles,
and
vice
principles,
etc
in
restorative
justice
practices
and,
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
But
a
lot
of
this
work
has
also
really
been
broadened
to
idol
adult
diversion
programs
and
we're
going
to
give
some
really
key
examples
of
that
later.
On.
F
So
I
want
to
add
that
if
you
look
at
the
two
boxes
that
are
on
this
powerpoint,
the
traditional
approach
asks
what
world
was
broken
right
and
the
restorative
approach
asks
who
was
affected,
who
was
hurt
and
affected
by
the
behavior
traditional?
Who
did
it
and
and
of
course,
in
restorative
we
look
at
in
restorative
justice.
F
We
look
at
what
are
their
needs
and
later
on
I'll
share
stories
about
what
that
means
and
and
it'll
be
important,
because
when
you
hear
a
live
story
of
of
how
restorative
justice
responds
to
misbehavior,
it's
it's
huge.
So
the
final
one
is:
how
should
we
punish
them?
That's
what
the
juvenile
justice
system
looks
like
that's
what
the
adult
system
looks
like,
and
restorative
justice
is
giving
people
an
opportunity
to
have
a
voice
who's
obligated
to
meet
those
needs,
so
think
about
that.
F
Sometimes
those
needs
are
just
resources
right
and
but
there's
sometimes
those
needs
that
you
can't
even
describe
until
you
have
those
conversations
and
you're
given
giving
people
a
safe
space
to
have
a
voice
and
to
share
the
gift
of
listening,
but
you
can
switch
the
slide
now.
F
I
Do
want
to
add
just
to
reiterate
that,
oh
well
here
it
is
on
this
slide
right
so
before
in
two
slides.
Before
this
we
talked
about,
you
know,
crime
being
a
crime
against
the
state.
The
state
meets
out
punishment,
government
institutions,
but
in
looking
at
it
from
an
rj
perspective,
really
as
mary
louise
has
already
mentioned,
crime
is
a
violation
of
people
and
relationships.
It's
a
violation
of
each
other
in
our
social
compact,
and
so
it
really
is
trying
to
create
a
paradigm
shift.
I
I
It
also
focuses
it
works
to
repair
damage
caused
by
the
crime
in
the
community,
rather
than
blocking
away
the
person
I
mean
this
is
just
obvious
to
all
of
us
right.
Instead
of
sort
of
taking
the
person
that
committed
the
crime,
the
transgression
out
of
the
community
in
and
not
able
to
in
any
way,
you
know
pay
restitution
try
to
repair
the
harm.
Try
to
empathize
try
to
have
accountability.
The
accountability
is
taken
away
from
the
community
and
put
back
into
the
hands
of
the
state.
I
It
focuses
rj
on
the
person
that
who
is
harmed
so
if
that's
the
victim
and
all
the
others
impacted
in
the
community,
and
it
also
includes
the
person
who
responds
and
supports
her
in
making
different
choices,
and
I've
done
a
lot
of
restorative
justice
circles,
with
youth
in
in
new
mexico
in
santa
fe
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
always
I
go
in
into
these
circles
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
these
circles
look
like.
But
with
I
you
know
part
of
it
is
how
do
I?
I
How
do
I
help
equalize?
Some
of
the
power
in
this
room
is
one
and
two:
how
do
I?
How
can
the
result
of
this
be
in
helping
this
person,
who
we
call
the
person
of
concern,
make
better
choices
in
the
future
and
and
not
just
decide
to
make
better
future
choices
in
the
future,
but
to
have
support
from
other
community
members
to
actually
help
help
that
person
make
better
choices
in
the
future
so
yeah?
These
are
all
just
sort
of
the
buzzwords
that
you're
going
to
hear
in
relation
to
rj.
I
You
know
empathy,
accountability,
prevention
healing,
and
it
also
addresses
often
and
recognizes
the
social
conditions
that
often
lead
to
crime
in
our
communities
and
one
of
the
things
that
monica
has
often
reminded
us
is
that
often
perpetrators
offenders.
We
we
call
them
in
our
rj
circles,
persons
of
concern
oftentimes.
I
They
are
also
victims,
whether
they
are
victims
of
crime.
They
are
often
also
subjected
to
conditions
in
schools
and
institutions
that
are
very
unfavorable
to
them,
and
so
all
of
that
is
able
we're
able
to
to
bring
that
up
in
in
a
healing
circle
or
a
restorative
justice
circle
or
in
a
restorative
justice
process.
It
recognizes
that
community,
a
community
isn't
only
going
to
take
credit
for
the
good
things
that
people
do.
I
You
know
the
prizes
that
we
win
the
the
thing,
the
good
things
that
we
come
out
on
the
paper
about,
but
we'll
also
gonna
take
full
responsibility
for
the
bad
things
that
we
do
as
a
community.
And
so
that's
you
know
we
keep
the
person
within
the
community
and
don't
extricate
the
person
from
the
community
because
he
or
she
made
a
really
terrible
choice.
F
We
can
switch
the
slide,
so
I
think
that
marcella
and
I
have
been
both
talking
about
what
restorative
justice
doesn't,
and
I
really
want
us
to
focus
on
thinking
if
you've
ever
been
a
victim
before
how
victims,
sometimes
don't
have
a
choice
in
a
judicial
system,
and
so
restorative
justice
gives
the
victims
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
how
they
were
affected
and
they
were
impacted
by
the
behavior
right
and
offenders
get
to
listen
to
what
that
was
and
what
that
is,
and
so
on
this
slide,
I
want
to
share
a
little
story
with
you.
F
I
I
couldn't
decide
which
story
that
I
should
share,
but
I
think
that
I'm
gonna
share
this
one.
When
I
was
working
with
juvenile
justice,
there
was
a
young
man.
Let's
just
think
of
this,
there's
a
38
year
old
man
in
the
hospital,
that's
been
stabbed
six
times
and
he
almost
lost
his
life.
He
has
two
children,
a
wife
and
he's
raising
a
15
year
old
niece,
who
was
dating
a
16
year
old
boy
and
both
of
them
together
had
a
baby.
F
So
so
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
the
client
that
I
was
working
with
was
a
16
year
old
boy
that
was
dating
this
young.
This
38
year,
old's
niece,
the
niece
had
lost
her
mom
and
her
dad
to
drug
overdoses.
F
This
boy
that
was
dating
the
niece
had
lost
his
dad,
never
met
his
mom.
I
guess
his
mom
abandoned
him
when
he
was
a
baby,
so
he
was
living
with
a
70
year
old
grandma
I
mean
grandpa,
and
so
anyhow,
I
was
given
the
beautiful
opportunity
to
bring
this
young
man
to
face
the
man
that
he
had
stabbed
six
times
so
I'll
share
a
little
background.
F
The
young
man
came
to
see
his
girlfriend,
who
did
not
want
to
see
him
the
uncle
answered
the
door
and
said
you
know
she
doesn't
want
to
see
you,
so
you
need
to
get
the
heck
out
of
dodge
and
he
was
high
and
he
had
a
knife
and
he
decided
that
he
was
going
to
make
his
way
in
so
that
he
could
see
his
girlfriend.
That
didn't
want
to
see
him
and
and
the
baby,
and
he
ended
up
stabbing
the
30
38
year
old
man.
F
So
we
come
together
in
this
circle
and
it's
the
the
38
year
old
man
that
spent
three
months
in
the
hospital
because
they
severed
his
liver.
F
This
young
boy
was,
I
was
the
alternative
to
detention
program.
I
got
to
supervise
him
while
he
was
released
and
we
worked
on
a
lot
of
things,
including
his
schooling.
He
was
doing
a
ged
program
he
passed
while
he
was
working
with
me.
He
passed
three
tests.
He
had
three
more
to
go
and
I
actually
convinced
the
family
that
this
young
man
had
a
baby
with
the
the
niece
if
they
would
be
willing
to
participate
in
a
restorative
justice.
F
It
was
actually
ordered
in
court
that
he
faced
the
victim,
and
so
I
want
to
share
with
you
that
before
all
of
this
happened,
this
16
year
old
boy
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
his
family
and
the
38
year.
Old
man
was
a
plumber
and
he
used
to
allow
him
to
come
and
work
with
him
and
he
would
make
money.
And
so
anyhow,
we
are
in
this
circle,
so
I
want
you
to
imagine.
F
There's
a
38
year
old
man
who's
a
victim,
his
wife,
two
kids.
One
of
them
is
10
years
old
and
one
of
them
is
six
and
then
the
girlfriend,
and
then
this
baby
and
this
young
man
he
he
was
willing
to
be
there
mentally
physically.
Emotionally.
He
knew
that
the
impact
that
he
had
made
on
that
family
was
huge
right,
but
everybody
was
willing
to
come
into
that
circle.
F
His
grandfather
was
also
there,
and
I
want
you
to
know
that
this
young
man
got
to
listen
to
the
38
year
old
man
talk
about
what
it
was
like
to
be
in
the
hospital
and
what
was
happening
for
him
that
day
and
this
what
his
wife
got
to
talk
about,
how
his
her
children
almost
lost
their
father-
and
here
is
this
young
man.
F
Listening
to
these
people
that
were
victimized
by
his
behavior
by
the
the
response
to
his
drug
use
right
and
then
he
got
to
hear
the
10
year
old
little
girl
say
my
daddy
almost
died.
I
almost
did
not
have
a
daddy,
and
this
young
man
is,
is
taking
all
of
this
in
and
he's
weeping
and
he's
talking,
and
then
it
was
his
turn.
F
After
all,
of
his
actual
girlfriend
got
to
talk,
and
she
hadn't
seen
him
and
it
was
his
turn
to
talk,
and
he
talked
about
how
he
know
he
knew
that
he
could
maybe
never
be
accepted
into
that
family
again,
but
he
got
to
talk
about
how
sorry
he
was
and
how
he
knew
that
the
impact
that
he
had
made
on
the
family
could
never
probably
be
forgiven,
but
he
wanted
to
use
his
voice
to
say
how
he
felt
not
only
about
what
he
had
done,
but
listening
to
the
people
that
his
behavior
affected.
F
So
we
always
talk
in
restorative
justice
about
like
what
are
your
plans.
What
are
your
goals
in
life,
and
this
young
man
got
to
talk
about
how
this
38
year
old
man
had
impacted
his
life
in
such
a
way
that
he
wanted
to
become
a
plumber.
He
said
you
changed
my
life.
You
were
the
one
person
that
loved
me
when
I
didn't
feel
loved.
F
You
were
the
one
person
in
the
the
family
that
accepted
me
and
even
with
my
flaws,
knowing
that
I
didn't,
I
didn't
know
a
lot,
I
didn't
have
a
lot,
but
you
made
me
feel
like
I
was
part
of,
and
I
I
always
needed
to
feel
like
I
had
a
sense
of
belonging.
That's
what
restorative
justice
is
about
is
about
creating
that
sense
of
belonging
right
this
38
year
old
man
said.
F
Not
only
do
I
forgive
you,
but
I
I
want
you
to
know
that
I
want
you
to
be
a
dad
to
your
baby
and
I
want
to
be
an
example
of
what
it
means
to
be
a
father,
and
I
want
you
to
know
that.
F
This
man
said
I
welcome
you
back
and
I
will
be
your
mentor
because
I
want
you
to
become
the
plumber
that
you
have
always
dreamt
to
be,
and
so
healing
happened
in
front
of
my
eyes
right.
It
was
the
most
beautiful
and
the
most
like.
I
could
go
home
that
night
and
know
that
I
was
better
because
of
what
they
taught
me
right
so
fast
forward,
I'm
at
ross
dress
for
less.
This
is
two
three
years
later
right
and
this
man,
this
vid,
he's
not
the
kid
anymore
right.
F
He
comes
up
to
me
and
he's
like
mary,
louise
and
and
he
hugs
me
and
I
I
hug
him
back,
but
I
have
no
idea
who
he
is
and
he
says
it's
me
and
I
don't
want
to
use
people's
names
but
hey
and
he
yells
for
his
girlfriend
to
come
and
his
little
girl
is
now
three
years
old
right
and
he
picks
up
his
daughter
and
the
girl
comes
and
she
and
she
hugs
me-
and
she
remembers
me
too
sad
that
I
didn't
remember
them.
But
he
says
I
got
my
license.
F
I'm
a
plumber
and-
and
he
says
you
don't
remember
who
we
are,
do
you
and
I
said
help
me
remember
because
I
work
with
a
lot
of
kids
and
he
says
it's
me:
you
changed
my
life,
it's
because
of
you
that
so
and
so
allowed
me
to
be.
He
mentored
me
and
now
I
have
my
license
and
and
I'm
doing
good
I've
been
clean
for
for
three
years
now.
I
Thank
you
for
sharing
that
story,
mary
louise
for
those
of
us,
I'm
sure
mary.
Louise
has
been
doing
this
far
more
years
than
I
have,
but
there
are
so
many
incredible
stories
of
circles
that
we've
facilitated
and
that
have
really
helped
particularly
young
people,
just
have
a
support
system
and
also
recognize
the
failures
of
institutions
towards
young
people
at
the
same
time,
within
these
circles,
and
so
we
also
address
those
in
rj
and
and
it's
it's
very
similar
for
for
adults.
I
These
are
the
principles
with
some
excellent
stories
that
mary
louise
has
shared
into
sort
of
the
practic,
the
practices
right,
the
practical,
and
we
know
that
that
rj
is
a
young
field
that
emerged
in
the
70s
and
mostly
as
alternative
approaches
to
the
to
the
current
the
court
system
at
that
time
and
and
alternative
dispute
resolution
was
really
becoming
much
bigger
at
that
point,
and
it
emerged
alongside
the
victims
rights
movement,
which
argued
for
greater
involvement
of
crime
victims
in
criminal
justice
proceedings.
I
I
They're,
not
exactly
like
the
programs
we
we
have
now,
but
we
they
were
programs,
some
of
the
programs
we
have
like
this
now,
but
you
know
programs
where
offenders
had
to
meet
with
their
victims,
pay
restitutions
for
their
for
their
crimes
and-
and
we
started
seeing
this
emerge,
but
they
were
very
small
in
scope
without
a
lot
of
systemic
impact,
and
so
that
really
began
to
change
in
the
mid
90s,
as
we
saw
a
parallel
just
incredible
institutional
and
and
statutory
challenges
for
our
communities,
I
mean
really
tough
on
crime
in
the
90s
came,
came
to
a
to
a
major
major
head
and
has
sort
of
been
like
is
continuing
for
these
years
up
until
most
recently,
but
rj
really
advanced
in
1994,
when
the
american
bar
association
endorsed
victor
and
offend
victim
and
offender
mediation.
I
And
so
we
started
seeing
a
lot
more
victim
offender
mediation.
We
still
saw
punishment
for
offenders,
but
they
often
volunteered
or
were
required
to
do
that
kind
of
mediation
with
folk
with
their
with
their
victims.
We
also
saw
support,
come
from
the
national
organization
for
victim
assistance
and
later
you
know,
internationally.
I
The
united
nations,
the
council
of
europe
and
the
european
union
really
start
to
embed
rj
programs,
language
funding
into
their
that
into
their
documents
into
their
policies
and
regulations,
and
in
fact,
30
about
30
states
have
restorative
justice
principles
in
their
either
mission
statements,
their
regulations,
their
policies,
their
funding,
new
mexico
really
is
far
behind.
I
mean
if
we
could
look
just
to
our
neighbors
to
the
north.
I
Colorado
has,
you
know,
passed
a
few
laws,
statewide
laws
that
really
invest
a
lot
of
money,
not
just
in
schools
and
in
youth
programs,
but
also
in
diversion
programs
and
and
we're
going
to
give
you
some
examples
of
that
on
the
next
slide.
I
So
some
of
the
program-
rj
programs-
not
all
of
them-
are
diversion
programs,
but
but
some
of
them
are,
is
you
know,
diversion
programs
or
restorative
justice
courts,
for
instance,
and
we'll
give
you
some
examples
of
that
community
group
conferencing
also
known
as
healing
circles,
talking
circles,
peace
circles
and
what
I
practice,
we
don't
call
it
a
healing
circle
or
a
talking
circle.
We
call
it
a
community
group
conference
or
a
family
group
conference.
I
Then
there
are
other
programs
that
are
like
facilitated
community
and
police
dialogues
or
truth
and
reconciliation,
truth
and
reconciliation
commissions
or
programs,
and
we've
seen
that
internationally,
certainly
and
we've
also
seen
that
in
some
instances
here
in
the
united
states
and
the
trc
processes
are
usually
designed
to
publicly
examine
a
traumatic
event
in
a
community,
a
divisive
event
in
a
community
with
a
restorative
justice
approach
seeking
to
heal
community,
build
understanding,
grow
trust
and
give
victims,
witnesses
and
offenders
the
ability
to
publicly
tell
their
stories
without
prosecution.
I
That's
generally
what
the
trc
processes
are
about.
We
have
pre-booking
diversion
programs
and
other
alternative
programs
for
offenders
and
then
again
one
of
the
tried
and
true
I
don't
know
why
I
don't
have
a
little
picture
on
there,
but
just
a
blank
circle.
That's
victor
of
victim
offender
mediation.
Those
are
a
lot
of
the
programs
that
we
have
seen
now.
I
There
are
different
types
of
diversion:
rj
programs,
summer
pre-trial
diversion
programs
pre-filing
before
charges
are
filed
with
the
court
or
post
filing
after
the
court
process
begins,
but
before
disposition,
and
so
these
are,
there
are
just
so
many
different
approaches,
particularly
for
adults,
and
so
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
I
I
somehow
got
out
of
my
zoom,
and
so
what
we
see
here
is
you
know,
campaigns
that
are
youth
or
people
of
color
led.
You
know
ending
zero
tolerance
policies
at
schools
or
limiting
or
eliminating
suspension,
expulsions
in
schools
and
in
trading
them
for
rj
based
program
is
one
example
of
a
youth-led
and
people-of-color-led
campaign.
In
many
places
there
are
pre-diversion
programs
like
in
longmont
colorado,
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
where,
instead
of
so
so,
this
is
pre-booking,
so
in
pre-arrest
diversion
programs
that
we
want
to
explore.
I
So,
instead
of
having
folks
go
to
or
get
get
arrested
for
a
particular
crime,
they
get
immediately
diverted
into
a
program
and
that's
similar
to
to
lead
or
thrive,
but
for
other
types
of
non-substance
related
non-substance
use,
related
crimes
that
are
committed.
Restorative
justice,
courts,
neighborhood
courts.
These
are
popping
up
in
places
like
chicago
I'm
going
to
give
a
few
examples
on
the
next
slide.
I
I
think
truth
and
reconciliation
projects
like
in
greensboro,
north
carolina
and
reparation
campaigns
is
also
under
the
rubric
of
rj
campaigns
and
state
laws
requiring
more
funding
like
the
one
I
mentioned
in
colorado
for
youth
and
adults.
Can
you
go
to
the
next
one?
Please
what
we
see
and
when
we
do
our
report,
we're
going
to
put
in
a
lot
of
information
and
sight
all
of
the
reports,
but
this
is
sort
of
introductory,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
research
on
the
effectiveness
of
both
youth
and
adult
diversion
and
rj
programs.
I
That
really
are
pretty
tremendous
and
I'm
sure
mary
louise
probably
keeps
track
of
recidivism
in
the
schools,
for
all
the
programs
and
sort
of
victim,
satisfaction,
rates,
etc.
I
But
what
we
know
is
that
you
know
the
vast
majority
of
the
research
on
rj
programs
shows
reduced
recurrence,
reduced
recidivism
by
the
offenders
that
are
involved,
decrease
incarceration
of
young
people
and
others
a
lower
cross,
lower
costs
within
that
particular
criminal,
local
criminal
justice
system,
which
can
be
used
for
a
range
of
other
programs,
treatment,
youth
prevention
programs,
education
programs,
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
pretty
impactful
and
I've
seen
this
in
the
circles
that
I've
been
a
part
of
is
really
high
participant,
satisfaction
rates
and,
and
that
means
victims,
members
of
the
community,
public
safety
officials
and,
of
course,
and
and
also
offenders,
and
all
of
that
leads
to
growing
trust
in
our
communities.
I
And
we've
also
seen
that
in
the
schools
it
has
helped
reduce
racial
disparities
in
discipline,
suspension
and
expulsions,
and
so
there's
there's
just
a
wide
body
of
research
that
shows
that
these
things
are
working
where
they
are
applied
effectively
throughout
our
country.
And
so
we
will
be
putting
a
lot
of
that
information
in
the
final
report.
When
we're
just
giving
examples
of
really
some
programs
that
we
might
be
able
to
pilot
here.
In
santa
fe
there
was
a
really
large
scale
study
and
it
was
a
meta.
It
was
a.
I
It
was
a
meta
analysis
of
12,
000
juveniles,
young
people
and-
and
there
was
also
a
randomized
control
trial
of
victims
of
robbery
and
burglary,
and
it
found
that
one-third
of
the
victims
of
robbery
and
burglary
had
fewer
ptsd
symptoms
than
those
in
the
control
group
when
they
went
through
this
process
and
met
with
the
person
who
actually
robbed
them
or
came
into
their
home
or
vehicle,
and
that
was,
and
that's
pretty
significant
for
for
victims
of
crime
and
how
it
really
helps
them,
be
able
to
process
and
heal
and
get
closure
and
meet
the
person
and
their
whole
humanity
about.
I
80
percent.
In
these
major
analysis
found
that
participants
reported
that
the
whole
dialogue
process
had
a
profound
impact
on
their
lives.
Experi.
You
know,
offenders
felt
ownership
and
remorse
and
accountability,
and
they
saw
their
victims
as
human
beings,
and
often
victims
saw
their
offenders
as
human
beings,
and
it
just
completely
changed
their
relationship
to
the
incident
itself.
And
so
these
are
things
that
we
will
make
sure
that
we
include
in
in
our
report,
but
basically
all
of
the
analysis
is
going
to
show
what
you
see
on
your
screen
right
now.
I
Can
you
go
to
the
next
one?
Actually,
please
so
some
of
the
programs
that
we
are
probably
going
to
invite
to
participate
in
panel
and
maybe
getting
feedback
from
you
all
might
make
sense
as
well
are
programs
that
are
you
know,
pre-booking
diversionary,
some
that
are
run
by
da's
some
by
local
community
groups
in
partnership
with
their
law
enforcement
officials.
I
This
is
a
neighborhood
court
and
it's
a
pre-filing
diversion
program
and
it
enlists
trained
court
adjudicators,
which
are
community
members
that
are
trained
to
facilitate
rj
circles
and
who
are
trained
in
rj
principles
and
practices.
They
actually
conduct
hearings
with
people
arrested
on
certain
misdemeanors
and
felonies,
and
they
involve
community
members
in
prosecutor
prosecutorial
decision
making.
I
Now,
all
of
that
language
feels
not
very
rj
but
but
but
they,
but
but
rj
is
a
big
part
of
that
whole
process,
and
so
defendants
meet
with
the
adjudicators
and
discuss
the
incident
and
as
well
as
their
restorative
needs
as
defendants,
and
then
potential
agreements
that
are
made
for
them
not
to
you
know
for
them
to
be
able
to
to
continue
with
their
diversion
process.
I
At
this
moment,
the
red
hook,
community
justice
center
is
based
out
of
brooklyn
and
they
handle
low-level
criminal
clay
cases,
including
selected
felonies,
as
well
as
family
court
and
civil
matters,
and
red
hook
really
tries
to
offer
more
holistic
and
coordinated
judicial
response,
and
so
they
have
restitution
projects,
like
you
know,
painting
over
graffiti
and
beautifying
local
parks,
for
instance.
They
also
operate
a
whole
peacemaking
program
building
on
native
american
approaches
to
justice.
I
They
have
a
whole
core
of
facilitated
trade
volunteers
from
the
community
to
support
that
they
link
defendants
to
drug
treatment
and
providing
on-site
services
at
the
justice
center,
and
they
really
are
just
seeking
to
help
individuals
avoid
further
involvement
in
the
court
system.
They
also
have
a
victim
assistance
program
through
the
center
and
they
provide
a
range
of
client-centered
and
trauma-informed
services,
and
so
they
they
kind
of
it's
a
very
holistic
approach
and-
and
it's
it's
a
it's
pretty
tremendous.
I
They
kind
of
do
a
little
bit
of
everything,
and-
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
the
longmont
community
justice
partnership,
which
I
actually
got
trained
under
as
well
in
colorado.
That
is
slightly
different.
It's
not
seated
within
the
da's
office
or
it's
not
a
program
that
is
managed
by
a
d.a
and
it
is.
I
It
is
really
a
community-based
program
and
it's
been
recognized
nationally
for
its
unique
approach
and
model,
and
it's
close
ties
to
city
law
enforcement
and
so
at
longmont
all
new
officers
go
through
an
orientation.
I
All
officers
basically
have
to
go
through
restorative
justice
training
through
the
partnership,
and
so
they
know
they
also
have
a
quota
system.
So
they
know
they're
expected
to
refer
people
to
the
pre-arrest
restorative
justice
diversion
program
and
it
holds
a
community
conference
circle
and
it
includes
law
enforcement
includes
community,
it
includes
advocates-
and
it's
not
just
young
people-
it's
also
adults-
that
they
have
going
through
that
process.
I
So,
instead
of
the
wrong
kind
of
quotas,
they
have
the
right
kind
of
quotas
and
their
diversionary
quotas,
and
so
they're
they're
close
to
home,
and
they
certainly
have
had
a
big
role
in
helping
shift
colorado
when
it
comes
to
its
criminal
justice
system
and
its
focus
on
and
in
deep
investment
in
rj
programs,
which
again
I
want
to
remind
folks
new
mexico
has
not
done
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
I
We
have
a
few
key
programs,
but
not
like
the
30
states
or
so
that
have
really
decided
that
they're
going
to
invest
deeply
in
these
approaches.
Manhattan,
justice
opportunities
is
another
program,
and
this
is
d.a
led
and
it's
in
partnership
with
judges,
all
the
attorneys
involved
and
community
organizations,
and
it
operates
two
major
initiatives.
I
One
program
provides
meaningful
alternatives
to
jail,
fines
and
convictions
for
hundreds
of
people
charged
with
low-level
misdemeanor
offenses
each
year.
You
know,
I
think
we're
going
to
include
some
of
this
in
in.
I
think
monica
will
also
include
this
as
well
as
emily
and
some
of
the
panel
presentations
that
we're
organizing
as
a
subcommittee
and
and
we
can
also
have
folks
from
the
manhattan
justice
opportunities
project,
come
and
talk
to
our
group.
It's
located
right
next
to
their
criminal
court
and
and
it's
a
really
fantastic
misdemeanor
program.
I
They're
also,
you
know,
and
they
do
individual
counseling
case
management,
healthcare
services,
education
opportunities
and
job
readiness
that
is
post.
It
is
post
arrest
and
post
booking
diversion,
which
is
slightly
different
than
the
longmont
colorado
model.
They
just
started
a
second
partnership
with
their.
I
They
just
started
a
new
program
in
2019
that
also
provides
holistic,
community-based
programming
and
treatment
instead
of
prison
sentences
for
people
charged
with
certain
felonies,
and
it
really
is
a
first
of
its
kind
alternative
approach
to
court
in
this
in
in
the
country,
and
so
we
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
that
as
well.
And
then
I
like
greensboro,
because
of
just
incidents
that
have
happened
here
in
santa
fe.
The
greensboro
truth
and
reconciliation
commission
is
also
a
form
of
restorative
justice.
But
it's
much
more
public.
I
It
really
is
about
a
major
event,
divisive
event
that
has
happened
in
the
community
and
a
traumatic
event
that
has
happened
in
a
community,
there's
probably
slightly
more
traumatic
than
ours,
but
the
truth
and
reconciliation
commission
started
as
as
a
as
a
body
to
seek
truth
and
healing
and
transformation
for
greensboro,
and
that
was
a
city
that
was
left
divided
and
weakened
by
the
events
that
took
place
in
1979
and
five
community
residents
were
killed
by
the
kkk
and
the
american
nazi
movement
at
a
local
protest,
and
so
the
commission
was
seven
commissioners
of
respected
group
of
individuals
selected
for
their
diverse
perspectives,
strengths
and,
and
so
they
created
this
system.
I
This
whole
process,
through
which
people
could
people
who
were
still
alive
could
talk
about
what
that
meant
to
them
back
then,
and
also
the
impacts
that
it's
had
on
the
community
since,
and
so
it's
it's
a
just.
Look
them
up
on
wikipedia
it's
a
it's.
A
they've
created
these
amazing
documents
and
it's
just
an
amazing
process
for
people
to
really
heal
as
a
community.
I
Today,
for
an
instance,
an
incident
that
happened
over
30
years
ago,
and
so
those
are
examples
that
we
can
be
looking
at,
you
know
in
the
courts,
you
know
that
are
delayed
the
da
led
that
are
community-led.
There
are
so
many
different
approaches.
I
I
can
say
from
my
perspective,
you
know
a
lot
of
money
will
go
to
and
in
fact
you
know,
the
aba
and
the
department
of
justice
gives
big
grants
to
pursue
restorative
justice
programs,
and
I
know
that
rda
got
a
big
grant
to
do
that
and
yet,
if,
if
we're,
not
actually
retraining,
not
training,
just
giving
opportunities
for
people
to
really
understand
the
the
limits,
but
also
the
potential
of
rj
programs,
you
know
just
just
because
you
do
one
program
here
or
one
program
there.
I
No,
we
have
to
change
a
culture
in
our
community
and
it
feels
like
santa
fe
might
be
ripe
to
really
start
investing
in
some
of
these
deeper
adult
diversionary
programs.
But
we
have
to
do
a
lot
of
education
of
our
community.
I
One
thing
I
do
want
to
add
and
and
we're
going
to
have
one
more
slide
and
I'm
sorry
if
this
has
gone
long,
but
mary
louise
is
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
community
conferencing
and
healing
circles.
But
I
do
want
to
mention
that
you
know
the
drug
policy
alliance
somos,
the
naacp
and
many
other
community
groups
came
together
in
2009
to
pass
a
prohibition,
a
bias-based
policing
ban
at
the
state
level
and
then
somos.
I
We
worked
with
our
local
police
department
to
actually
turn
it
into
procedures
and
policies
here
in
santa
fe,
and
we
really
do
have
one
of
the
strongest
and
best
bias-based
policing,
prohibition,
policies
in
the
state
and
we
looked
and
have
every
every
every
community,
every
city
and
every
county's
policies.
I
And
so
in
that
there
is-
and-
and
I
say
this
because
of
conflicts
that
we
have
seen-
you
know-
we
often
think
not
just
about
punishing
people
who
are
committing
crimes
in
our
communities
but
oftentimes.
We
also
think
about
accountability
and
and
punishment
when
it
comes
to
law
enforcement
officials
that
also
transgress
and
and
do
things
in
our
communities
that
they
should
not
be
doing
and
hurting
communities
and
and
hurting
the
trust
in
our
communities.
I
And
so
we
know
that's,
not
everybody,
but
when
it
does
happen,
the
bias-based
policing
ban
at
the
national
at
the
state
level
calls
for-
and
I'm
going
to
read
it
here,
because
I
have
it
on
my
screen
as
part
of
a
law
enforcement
agency's
administrative
complaint
procedures.
The
law
enforcement
agency
shall
at
a
minimum
and
then
it
gives
a
bunch
of
requirements,
investing
investigating
a
complaint.
I
You
know
and
publishing
the
results
and
sending
the
results
to
the
attorney
general
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
included
in
that
law.
But
one
of
them
is
take
appropriate
measures
to
discipline
a
law
enforcement
officer,
including
facilitating
mediation
or
other
restorative
justice
measures,
when
it
is
determined
that
the
law
enforcement
officer
violated
the
provisions
of
the
prohibition
of
profiling
practices
act.
I
And
I
guarantee
you
that
no
one
in
our
local
police
department,
when
there
is
an
ia
investigation,
discipline-
and
I
know
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
complaints
have
actually
come
through
the
santa
fe
immigration
committee.
And
so
what
we've
seen
is
that
there
really
isn't
an
effort
for
mediation
or
approaching
the
people
who
actually
made
the
complaint
and
and
have
a
dialogue
or
a
conversation
between
them
and
the
police
officer,
which
is
helpful
to
the
individuals
as
well
as
the
law
enforcement
agent.
And
I'm
going.
I
To
give
one
example
of
a
case
that
somos
worked
on.
It
was
a
community,
a
member
of
somos
new
mexico,
and
this
was
a
few
years
back.
There
was
a
new
police
chief
and
there
was
a
local
law
enforcement
agent
that
ended
up
calling
ice
at
a
local
casino
on,
because
the
casino
called
them
and
a
person
provided
a
an
id.
I
That
was
the
mexican
consular
id
card
and
they
had
never
seen
it
and
they
wouldn't
give
it
back,
and
so
they
called
the
police
and
then
the
police
came,
and
it
was
a
you
know,
they
ended
up
calling
ice
and
saying
we
don't
know
if
this
is
the
right.
If
this
is
correct,
they
don't
have
a
driver's
license.
We
don't
know
if
this
is
a
fraudulent
card.
I
Can
you
come
please
and
check
it
check
it
out
and
of
course,
when
ice
came,
they
ended
up
deporting
the
person
because
in
fact
the
person
was
undocumented,
and
so
this
was
a
deep
breach
of
trust
in
the
community,
and
so
there
were
complaints
we
reached
out
to
the
naacp.
We
talked
about
what
it
meant
for
bias-based
policing,
well,
the
new
police
chief.
So
they
investigated
it
turned
into
because
it
was
a
community
process
between
somos,
the
naacp
and
the
police
department
and
the
city
council.
I
They
rectified
their
mistakes,
they
put
in
procedures
when
they
saw
consular
id
cards
in
the
future.
They
created
a
relationship
with
the
mexican
consulate
so
that
they
could
reach
out
to
them
directly
if
they
had
questions
about
their
government
id
card
out
of
el
paso,
and
the
most
important
thing
is
that
the
police
chief
came
to
the
family's
home
and
personally
apologized
and
said
I
am
so
sorry.
I
This
happened
on
my
watch
that
whole
process
was
so
important
for
community
safety
and
trust
in
that
community,
and
so
it's
something
that
we
don't
do
in
santa
fe
and
we
really
need
to
start
thinking
about
ways
to
incorporate
rj
and
all
of
our
disciplinary
processes.
F
So
I
think
we're
on
the
the
community
conferencing
right
and
the
circle,
so
I
just
want
to
give
you
guys
a
quick
because
you've
been
on
for
so
long
and
we're
probably
boring
you
and
that's
not
our
intentions.
I
want
every
person
to
get
off
this
zoom
call
tonight
better
than
you
were
before
you
walked
in,
so
that
we
can,
as
a
community,
really
think
about
how
we
can
repair
the
harm
with
people
that
have
fall,
that
we've
fallen
short
with.
But
I
want
to
share
this
with
you
in
the
schools.
F
The
way
I
do
healing
circles
is,
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
remember
the
little
boy
that
passed
away
at
gonzalez
elementary.
He
was
in
an
accident
with
his
papa
with
his
dad.
His
dad
was
a
a
basketball
coach
and
the
little
boy
was
a
student
there,
and
so
I
was
called
in
because
they
had
called
in
grief.
F
Counseling
and
the
kids
were
really
still
broken
because
there
had
been
some
broken
relationships
with
the
boy
that
passed
away,
sometimes
even
called
bullying,
behaviors
right,
and
so
I
had
the
beautiful
opportunity
to
come
into
this
class
and
create
a
safe
space
for
students
to
recognize
that
when
we
fall
short
that
we
can
repair
the
harm,
and
so
we
left
an
open
chair
so
that,
if
that
kid
that
we
lost
was
there
what
we
would
want
to
tell
him
so
that
that
day,
when
the
kids
went
home,
they
were
sleeping
better
at
night,
and
so
what
I
can
tell
you
is
these
young
people
teach
me
every
day
and
I'm
willing
to
be
a
student
as
some
of
these
kids
forgave
the
little
boy
for
the
things
that
he
had
done,
because
that's
what
they
needed
to
do
to
clear
their
hearts
and
then
others
apologized
for
their
behavior
with
him.
F
But
we
also
recognize
that,
because
the
dad
was
a
coach,
we
did
another
circle
about
how
we
could
like
heal.
If
he
was
there.
What
would
we
thankful
for
so
healing
circles
are
used
for
a
lot
of
different
things?
One
of
the
things
that
I'll
be
using
a
healing
circle
is,
is,
I
just
got
asked
if
I
could
do
some
work
with
cyfd
the
the
new
secretary
judge,
barbara
v
hill.
F
She
used
to
see
the
difference
in
kids
that
I
worked
with
in
her
courtroom,
so
she
reached
out
to
me-
and
she
asked
me
if
I
could
do
a
training
with
her
top
executives,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
will
be
doing
is
a
circle
so
that
people
can
recognize
what's
gotten
in
the
way
of
them
being
at
their
best,
and-
and
I
share
that
with
you,
because
if
you
are
a
department
leader
I
would
be,
I
would
love
to
share
a
talking
piece
with
you
and
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
information
about
how
you
can
create
that
culture
that
we
deserve
to
have
with
every
relationship
that
we
build
or
break.
F
F
Any
type
of
restorative
justice
is
important,
restorative
justice,
but
no
restorative
justice
leaves
people
with
a
hole
in
their
hearts
and
when
we
haven't
been
able
to
make
right
or
wrong
or
someone
hasn't
forgiven
us,
we
are
left
with
some,
and
this
is
what
I
call
it:
the
prison
that
we
choose
to
live
in
by
not
forgiving
go
ahead.
Marcella.
I
That's
that's
exactly
right.
I
mean
the
the
the
community
conferencing
has
been
used,
it's
a
form
of
mediation,
but
it
really
it's.
I
I
started
doing
rj
as
a
community
member,
so
someone
who
didn't
know
the
person
who
was
harmed
or
the
person
who
did
the
harming
just
as
a
community
member
who
was
impacted
and
and
was
able
to
really
be
able
to
see
that
the
transformation
that
could
take
place
for
for
folks,
a
lot
of
folks.
I
You
know
in
the
circles
that
I
did
were
young
people
who
really
were
in
many
ways
failed
by
a
lot
of
institutions
and-
and
so
my
goal
in
every
rj
circle
is
to
nivellar-
is
to
sort
of
balance
the
power
in
the
room
and
really
see
what
harms
we've
all
experienced
as
a
community
relating
to
a
an
incident
that
took
place
either
in
a
school
or
in
the
community.
Both
both
were,
I
worked
with
both,
and
so
I
really
I
I
I'm
just
gonna
be
honest.
I
I
am
a
big
I'm
a
I
like
policy
change,
I
like
institutional
change,
I'm
not,
and
each
one
reach
one
kind
of
a
person.
That's
not
where
my
heart
and
my
mind
is.
I
love
people
who
do
that,
but
I
joined
rj
because
I
felt
like
we
needed
to
do
more,
to
keep
young
people
of
color
out
of
jail
and
and
and
stopping
that
cycle.
That's
why
I
did
it
and-
and
I
was
always
had
the
mind-
how
do
we
make
it
bigger?
How
can
we
change
institutions?
I
How
can
we
really
change
a
culture
in
a
community,
but
I
myself
was
transformed
through
the
rj
process
and
and
realized
that
in
in
practicing
it,
it
can
be
transformational
for
the
people
who
are
involved
in
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
and
that's
really
what
the
research
shows
as
well.
So
hopefully
we
can
figure
out
as
a
committee
what
some
of
what
are
doable
practices
and
programs
that
we
might
pilot
and
get
funding
for
in
our
city,
and
that's
it.
I
We
don't
have
to
do
the
last
one,
because
I
think
it's
just
a
repetitive
slide.
But
I
would
like
you
to
stop
the
slideshow
and
and
just
have
a
conversation,
a
discussion
questions.
Also.
We
want
to
know
it's
we're
not
going
to
have
time
to
have
everyone
for
every.
I
You
know
for
every
really
great
rj
diversion
program
in
the
criminal
justice
system
for
adults.
So
I
would
we
would
like
feedback
from
you.
What
are
some
of
the
examples
that
we
gave
that
you
really
want
to
delve
into
for
the
purposes
of
this
committee
and
we'll
invite
them
or
questions
or
comments.
A
On
the
agenda,
that's
pretty
impressive.
I
really
appreciate
that
you
all
had
not
just
visuals,
but
you
can
elaborate
on
so
many
of
the.
I
guess
the
points
of
rj
that
I
never
really
understood,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
hard
work
to
put
this
together
and
the
impact
that
you
both
have
made
in
different
circles
and
the
work
you
do
around
rj
in
your
personal
and
probably
professional
and
personal
life.
So
thank
you.
It's
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
open
it
to
questions
from
our
members
or
even
guests.
A
If
you
have
any,
I
think
emily's
hands.
G
H
Go
ahead,
thank
you.
This
was
awesome.
I
just
wanted.
The
presentation
was
really
great,
and
so
my
first
comment
is
just
how
we
can
give
this
presentation
out
to
a
wider
audience
like
to
the
council,
I'm
just
thinking
the
various
committee
city
committees
in
the
council
and
the
community,
so
I
just
think
it
was
really
well
done.
It
was
clear
having
those
examples
are
really
powerful.
H
So
and
I
you
know,
I
thought
I
knew
a
lot
about
restorative
justice,
but
I
learned
a
lot
and
I
think
it's
so
powerful,
so
a
couple
like
thoughts
and
then
questions
one
I
think
about
you
know
using
this
restorative
justice
framework
for
the
individual,
one-on-one
and
then
marcelo.
What
you
were
saying
is
that
you
really
think
about
sort
of
the
system
and
the
policies,
and
I
feel
like
there's
an
opportunity
to
use
this
framework
and
everything
this
committee's
doing
because
of
the
harms
that
our
policies
and
our
systems
are
having
on
community.
H
H
Be
a
victim
and
a
person
of
concern,
but
there's
also
you
know,
I
feel,
like
our
role,
is
about
sort
of
cr
utilizing
this
framework
around
our
systems
and
policies
and
practices
and
community
harm.
So
I
I
I
guess
just
and
I
know
that
must
seem
like
completely.
I
don't
know
why.
H
I
think
this
is
such
an
aha
moment,
but
just
thinking
about
like
how
important
it
is
that
we're
doing
this
community
listening
because
I
feel
like
that
is
in
the
spirit
of
rj
and
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
might
be
able
to
think
about
this
community
engagement
process,
and
I
don't
know,
could
we
have
a
circle
like?
Can
we
think
of
like
actually
committing
this
framework
of
like
what
we
hear
from
the
community
and
you
know
who
who's
the
other
side
of
it?
So.
E
H
Victim
and
the
perpetrator.
H
I
don't
like
to
use
that
language,
but
anyway,
so
that's
just
one
question.
The
other
thing
I
was
thinking
about
what
you're
talking
about
is
like
what
types
of
offenses-
and
I
also
don't
like
using
that
language,
but
that's
you
know
like
are
relevant
for
a
framework
like
this
and
which
ones
aren't,
because
I
was
just
thinking
about
like
victimless
crime,
and
you
know,
in
my
opinion,
a
lot
of
illicit
drug
use
is
victimless
crime
right
that
they're
really
I
mean
there
may
be
someone
that
feels
harmed,
whether
that's
a
family,
member
or
school.
H
You
know
I
can
see
that
it
would
work
in
some
cases,
but
not
all,
and
so
just
thinking
through
well,
the
question
is:
are:
would
an
rj
framework
still
work
or
what
are
some
of
those
so-called
victimless
crime
that
could
still
benefit
from
this
model?
And
if
not,
what
is
that
alternative
response?
We
should
also
be
thinking
about.
H
So
those
were
my
thoughts
and
questions,
but
thank
you
so
much.
I
really
enjoyed
this
very
much.
I
That
makes
us
happy.
We
were
originally
20
minutes,
but
we
were
like
we
have
the
whole
hour,
so
let's
just
do
it.
I
do
want
to
respond
emily
to
a
couple
of
things
and
it's
one
of
the
slides
that
we
skipped
there
are
you
know,
obviously,
so?
Yes,
there,
there
is
real
crime
that
happens
in
our
communities
that
we
have
to
address
and
that
we
would
like
to
have
an
alternative
approach.
I
But
obviously
you
mentioned
there
are
harms
that
our
current
policies
and
institutions
are,
you
know
our
current
policies.
Initiatives
are
perpetrating
harm
against
people
in
our
community
and
so
part
of
transformative.
I
Justice
really
is
stopping
some
of
those
harms
and
then
really
doing
the
rj
for
harms
that
actually
are
happening
and
and
transgressions
and
crime
and
breaking
of
trust,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
there
are
things
that
we
support
and
that
we
can
support
in
this
process
as
a
task
force
that
aren't
necessarily
rj
right
that
are
not
restorative
justice.
I
So
I
actually
had
a
whole
slide
on
criminal
justice
reforms
that
don't
have
rj,
but
that
we
still
support
right
like
legalizing
certain
drugs
or
all
drugs
sentencing,
reform,
police,
accountability
measures,
even
in
my
realm
sanctuary
policies
that
create
classes
and
for
you
know
for
for
immigrants
that
create
classes
of
criminals.
So
so
you
know
usually
sanctuary
policies
allow
for
certain
people
to
be
turned
over
guys
and
others
not
well,
that's
better
than
nothing.
I
But
it's
not
restorative
justice,
either
diversion
programs
for
people
who
commit
crimes
because
they're
dependent
on
certain
kinds
of
drugs
that
can
be
a
form
of
rj.
But
if
it
doesn't
include
an
rj
framework
in
it,
then
it's
it's
just
a
diversion
program.
That's
probably
really
important,
but
not
necessarily
rj
and
then
other
examples
that
we
use
is
like
teen,
court
and
so
team
court
is
a
great
program
that
a
lot
of
people
like,
but
it's
not
rj,
because
it
mimics
the
regular
criminal
justice
system
for
teens.
I
Where
you
know,
someone
is
meeting
out
the
justice
and
there's
usually
punishment,
and
so,
unless
teen
court
really
incorporates
at
like
a
neighborhood
court
like
these
rj
practices
like
like
the
court
in
brooklyn
or
the
neighborhood
code
in
san
francisco
or
in
brooklyn,
then
it's
not
rj,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
in
response
to
what
you
said,
we
have
to
stop
the
harms
that
institutions
and
policies
are
perpetrating
against
our
people,
while
creating
a
new
approach
at
how
people
respond
to
each
other
when
crimes
are
committed
because
crimes
are
committed,
as
obviously
that's
not
going
to
stop
right.
I
J
Yeah
I
wanna,
I
wanna,
do
a
comment,
so
it
sounds.
The
restorative
justice
powerpoint
reminded
me
of
the
there
was
this
person
that
came
into
one
of
my
new
mexico
highlands
classes
and
he
was,
I
think
he
was
part
of
big
brothers,
big
sisters
where
they
would
like
mentor,
somebody
that
was
in
trouble
with
the
juvenile
system
or
or
in
some
type
of
life
midlife
crisis,
and
they
would
kind
of
mentor
them
kind
of
be
like
a
role
model
for
them.
J
So
in
a
sense
they
would
not
go
into
a
life
of
crime
or
just
some
in
time
to
change
this
person
before
it's
it's
like
too
late
for
him
to
get
out
of
the
justice
system,
and
I
I
like
I,
like
the
I
liked
everything
that
you
were
saying,
because
it
makes
sense,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
here
that
are
youth
and
they're,
getting
incriminated
for
sleeping
at
parks,
because
they're,
homeless
and
and
they're
they're
they're
out
there
trying
to
get
food
and
they're
stealing
things
and
they're
getting
also
penalized
for
that,
rather
than
looking
at
the
issue.
J
That
is,
you
know
why.
Why
are
they
doing?
This
and
how
can
we
help
and
and
like
like
you,
were
saying
they
just
penalize
them
and
take
their
point
of
view
away
without
justifying
it,
so
I
thought
I
thought
that
was
very.
J
That
was
very
neat
thanks
for
thanks
for
the
powerpoint
and
if
you
guys
have
any
more
meetings
like
this,
I
would
like
to
become
part
of
them
just
to
learn
more
of
of
what
I
could
do
in
a
sense
for
everybody
that
I
want
to
help.
F
And
you
know
you
know
I
just
honor
what
you
just
said
as
a
young
person,
I
am
a
student
of
our
young
people
and
so
thank
you
for
bringing
your
expertise
of
seeing
what's
happening
in
the
world
around
you
and
and
teaching
us,
and-
and
I
want
to
also
offer
to
you
if
you
would
ever
want
to
come
to
what
I
do
for
the
santa
fe
public
schools.
F
J
That
would
be
awesome.
That
would
be
awesome
yeah.
I
don't
know
how
to
put
my
information,
because
there's
no
there's
no
message:
tab
I'll.
F
Give
you
my
number
before
we
get
off
and
you
can
text
me,
okay
and
also.
I
just
want
to
add
that
what
this
young
man
talked
about
needs
one
of
the
things
that
we
focus
on
in
restorative
justice.
What
are
the
needs-
and
I
know
we
don't
have
enough
time,
but
one
day
I
want
to
share
with
you
what
a
young
person
was
able
to
tell
me
and
what
he
needed
was
a
sense
of
belonging.
F
A
I
love
it
and
I'm
actually
serious
about
eleazar
being
on
our
committee
on
our
task
force.
I
need
to
figure
out
how
that,
if
he's
working
for
the
city
as
an
intern,
that's
not
a
full-time
thing.
So
essentially
maybe
he
could
so
we
could
talk
about
that
offline
ellis.
Maybe
we
could
figure
out
if
that's
actually
possible,
if
you're,
if
you're
serious
about
joining
us,
I
think
did
annie
you
had
your
hand
up
right.
I
don't.
I
don't
see
it
anymore,
but
I
think
you
did.
C
C
So
this
is
really
transformative
for
them,
and
they
talk
about
that
and
I
don't
know
if
you
all
know
we
have
the
highest
preschool
expulsion
rate
in
the
country.
C
So
there's
talk
of
a
it's
not
school
to
prison
pipeline,
it's
preschool
to
prison
pipeline,
because
these
kids
are
dysregulated
because
of
lack
of
safety,
a
really
young
age
and
that
rejection
sets
them
on
a
path.
So
I
think
you
know
rj
can
be
integrated
in
so
many
different
ways
in
our
work
and
I
love
what
emily
said
anything
we
do
should
model
our
belief
system,
our
values
and,
I
think,
integrating
rj
and
how
we
need
these
discussions
and
create
healing.
C
You
know,
I
also
think
everything
we
should
do
should
leave
everyone
who
participates
better
off.
So
I
think,
that's
really
powerful.
I
think
thinking
of
kind
of
a
clear
roadmap
of
how
it
can
be
integrated
in
the
city
and
I
think
marcella.
C
You
talked
about
the
longmont
model
that
you
are
trained
in
I'm
sure
you
chose
that
for
a
reason,
I
really
like
the
idea
of
the
police
officers
being
trained,
because
one
thing
I've
struggled
with
is
how
to
get
by
in
you
know,
because
if
we
dictate
a
different
way
of
doing
things,
that
won't
work
if
there's
buy-in
and
they
become
the
agents
of
change,
and
I
can
just
that
that
could
be
really
powerful.
So
I
love
this.
I
think
it
really
creates
beautiful
avenues
for
us
coming
going
forward.
A
Is
that
a
question
for
marcella
or
mary
louise,
I
mean,
I
think
the
buy-in
piece,
I
think,
is
important
that
we're
gonna
have
to
think
about
for
sure,
because
we
see
what
people
write
about
you
know
when,
even
as
if
no
one
was
harmed
physically,
like
the
obelisk
being
destroyed,
there
was
this.
You
know,
approach
like
take
him
to
jail
and
really
just
like
tough
on
crime
kind
of
approach,
and
the
kind
of
comments
that
you
saw
in
the
paper
were
painful
to
read.
A
Actually
the
way
people
approach
their
own
community
members,
so
anyway,
we
won't
get
into
that
topic.
I
don't.
I
There
are
that's
why
I
really
wanted
to
prop
up
the
greensboro
truth
and
reconciliation
commission
as
a
form
of
rj,
that
is
about
healing
divisions
in
a
community
around
an
incident.
There
are
many
different
forms
victim
remediation.
I
mean
we
went
through
them
right
of
rj.
The
right
form
has
to
be
chosen
for
the
right
kind
of
thing.
I
That's
very
important
and
and-
and
the
greensboro
thing
is,
is
such
a
you
know.
I
I
was
on
a
panel
reading
proposals
for
the.
I
think
it
was
the
kellogg
foundation.
I
think
it
was
kellogg
and
it
was
a
unity
they
were.
I
They
were
gonna,
give
like
10
million
dollars
to
10
organizations
around
the
world
on
racial
equity
and
justice,
and
I
read
and
gave
high
marks
to
a
truth
and
reconciliation
commission
slash
community
process
on
the
southern
border
with
mexico
that
would
go
from
california
all
the
way
to
texas,
because
there's
so
much
bi-national
harm
perpetrated
not
just
by
institutions
but
by
extra
official.
Like
you
know
extra,
so
it's
not
just
governments
and
border
patrol
and
armies,
but
it's
also,
you
know
narcotrafficante,
I
mean
so
there's
so
much
harm.
I
B
B
Are
we
gonna
get
a
copy
of
that,
because
I
really
would
like
to
review
it
and
and
let
it
digest
a
little
bit
and-
and
I
think,
with
all
the
stuff
I
do
with
schools
and
other
clients
to
just
have
a
working
knowledge
I'll
I'll,
never
have
the
depth
that
that
marcella
and
mary
louise
have
but
to
have
a
working
knowledge
to
to
be
able
to
have
the
conversation
with
governmental
entities.
So
so
one,
my
question
is:
will
we
receive
a
copy
of
this
presentation
chairs.
F
We
can,
we
can
email
it
to
our
valeria.
E
F
I
also
want
to
share
with
you
guys,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
I'll,
I'm
gonna
also
add
a
video
that
was
done
by
the
santa
fe
public
schools,
for
a
presentation
that
I
had
to
do
with
the
school
board
last
week,
and
so
it's
like
like
a
four
minute
video,
but
it's
with
kids
actually
talking
about
what
changed
for
them,
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
all
of
us,
since
we
all
are
investing
in
our
kids
in
santa
fe.
F
What
like
you,
could
see
this
video
just
to
get
a
little
idea
of
what
it
did
for
them
personally,
and
this
is
kids
that
were
actually
they
did
the
restorative
justice
circles,
as
well
as
the
individual
mediation
type
kids.
So
just
so,
you
know.
B
Okay
in
two
in
the
presentation
you
talked
about
30
states.
Adopting
legislation.
B
Adopting
ordinances
that
are
going
to
help
implement
restorative
justice,
because,
obviously
sometimes
we
can,
we
can
lead
from
from
the
cities
up
versus
the
the
the
state
down.
So
being
the
lawyer,
I'm
always
curious
to
see
either
model
legislation
or
model.
You
know
at
a
state
level
or
model
ordinances.
I
Yeah
and
we'll
put
that
in
fact
I'll
we'll
add
that
to
like
the
end
slider
I'll
just
put,
we
can
put
together
a
list
of
resources
like
the
video
that
she's
talking
about
that
mary
louise
is
talking
about,
and
then
some
of
the
resources
that
we
used
for
this
presentation,
most
of
the
state-wide
work
laws
and
investments
that
have
been
made
really
have
been
bottom-up.
I
They
have
been
because
cities
and
counties
have
done
this
work
and
want
more
investment
in
it
and
want
and
and
we'll
always
come
across,
monica
always
reminds
us
in
our
committee.
Our
subcommittee
is,
you
know,
there's
only
so
much
that
we
have
jurisdiction
over
right,
and
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
as
we're
planning,
we're
really-
and
so
you
know,
there's
only
so
much
we
can
do
at
the
city
level,
and
so
by
doing
sort
of
that
bottom-up
approach.
We
can
make
some
changes
at
the
state
level.
I
I
was
honestly
surprised
that
so
many
states
in
preparing
for
this
actually
had
legislation.
You
know
because
I
knew
of
a
handful
like
colorado,
california,
you
know
even.
J
I
Even
arizona-
and
I
thought
wow
30
states
have
this
on
their
books
at
the
state
level,
and
I
am
we
just
know,
so
we
really
don't
in
new
mexico,
and
so
we
really
we
can
be
a
model.
But
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
education
and
then
I
did
want
to
say
to
emily's
point
about
this
is
so
important
how
programs
pick
and
choose
which
offenses
or
which
crimes
get
admitted
or
don't
get
admitted.
Some
are
good
for
rj.
Some
are
not.
You
know,
I
think
victimless
crimes.
I
I
mean
that's
part
of
our
task
as
a
subcommittee
is
to
identify
what
doesn't
need
to
be
criminalized
right
and
that
again
is
the
undoing
of
harms
that
institutions
and
that
our
policies
are
communities,
and
so
there's
that
then
they're
the
ones
that
we
can
divert
because
people
feel
comfortable.
I
But
I'm
a
realist.
I
work,
you
know
I
I
work
I'm
I
I'm
a
realist,
that's
what
I
do
as
an
organizer
and
at
somos
with
our
policy
work,
and
so
there
will
be
crimes
that
will
send
people
to
prison.
Rj
works
in
all
of
those
settings
right
and
in
all
of
those
categories,
and
so
for
even
for
people
we
have
seen,
I
have
never
participated
in,
it
really
are
going
to
be
in
jail
for
a
really
long
time.
I
Obviously
we
want
sentencing
reform
at
the
national
level
at
the
state
level,
but
those
rj
practices,
those
mediation,
the
reentry
circles,
victim
mediation
and
and
and
offender.
It
can
really
heal
people
both
in
and
out
of
the
criminal
justice
system.
So
I'm
not
saying
we
need
to
create
that
path
in
santa
fe.
We
need
to
look
at
all
of
it,
but
it
really
is
a
culture
shift
that
we're
going
to
have
it's
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
undergo,
because
not
many
cities
are
doing
it.
I
There's
a
really
good
program
that
mary
louise
knows
about
in
albuquerque.
The
programs
are
just
kind
of
hit
or
miss,
but
there
isn't
a
real
investment
in
a
complete
paradigm
shift
in
new
mexico.
C
I
was
just
going
to
add
one
thing
talking
about
that
paradigm
shift
in
new
mexico.
I
think
it's
marvelous
mary
louise
you're,
going
to
be
meeting
with
judge
v
hill
because
she
can
have
a
lot
of
influence,
not
just
with
cyfd
and
juvenile
justice,
but
she's
been
really
involved
with
the
court
improvement
project
and
with
training,
judges
and
lawyers
throughout
the
state
and
some
you
know
kind
of
major
reform
issues
statewide
with
juvenile
justice,
and
she
can
be
a
leader
in
these
changes.
I
think
in
big
ways
huge
opportunity.
E
A
D
Yeah,
I'm
just
curious
about.
We
talked
about
how
people
are
affected
by
being
punished
for
their
crimes,
but
how
are
their
families
affected
by
them
being
punished
and
then
under
an
rj
program?
How
are
those
families
affected
differently?
I
But
I
will
look
for
research
and
analysis
on
the
impact
of
perpetrators
or
we
don't
and
we
I
just
want
you
to
all
know.
We
don't
use
this
language
in
rj,
but
it
helps
people
understand
what
we're
talking
about.
If
we
only
talked
about
people
of
concern
and
armed
parties,
people
would
get
confused
by
what
we're
talking
about.
So
I
will
look
at
that
and
I
will
make
sure
that
we
incorporate
that
somehow.
F
I
F
To
add
chris
in
my
program
in
our
program
through
the
santa
fe
public
schools,
one
of
the
things
that
I
do
in
my
sessions
when
I
get
referrals,
I
I
make
sure
and
ask
the
right
questions
to
our
kids
like
who
do
you
think
this
behavior
affected?
F
F
But
after
we're
finished,
those
parents
have
already
met
me,
because
I
call
them
the
night
before
and
I
remind
them
that
the
principal
at
their
school
cared
about
them
enough
to
let
me
meet
their
child
and
that
there
was
a
hiccup,
but
I'm
the
person
that
gets
to
have
the
best
job
in
the
world
that
gets
to
help
them
to
make
things
right.
And
so
after
we
finish
our
session,
each
of
the
kids
call
their
parent
and
guess
what
happens.
They
talk
to
each
other's
parent
and
they
get
to
talk
about
how.
F
I
know
that
I
realize
my
behavior
affected
you
too,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
parents
will
keep
my
number
on
speed,
dial
and
and
that
trust
is
not
just
for
that
day,
but
for
a
lifetime
and
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
that
we've
been
doing
and
for
recidivism.
F
You
know
what
the
kids
that
we've
worked
with
and
I
always
knock
on
wood.
When
I
say
this,
they
haven't
gotten
into
another
fight
and
they've,
come
to
ask
for
help
when
something's
getting
in
the
way
of
them
being
at
their
best
and
I'll
leave
you
with
that.
D
I
think
that,
just
in
when
we
were
in
phoenix,
one
of
the
individuals
who
had
been
incarcerated
said
that
there
is
a
difference
between
accountability
and
punishment,
and
that
has
stuck
with
me.
So
it's
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
everybody.
A
That
was
great
yeah.
Well,
I
think
we're
getting
to
the
time
we'll
share
the
presentation
with
all
of
you
and
yeah.
I
think
there's
really
some
potent
pieces
to
this
to
add
to
our
work
and
recommendations.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
that.
Thank
you,
marcella
and
mary,
louise
for
your
awesomeness
and
expertise
and
the
work
you
do
in
the
community.
A
I
appreciate
it
and
I
guess
in
closing
we
won't
show
you
the
presentation
or
the
draft.
We
have
right
now.
It's
too
much,
I
would
say
to
talk
about,
but
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
know
is.
Do
you
think
it's
helpful
to
have
members
other
than
chris
and
I
be
presenters
for
the
updates
for
a
quarterly
update
to
the
governing
body.
A
I
see
a
nod
from
yes
from
marcella,
yes,
mary
louise,
so
I
mean
I
think,
generally
I'm
getting
the
sense
of
that,
and
so
my
question
is:
is
there
someone
that
would
like
to
join
us
in
just
preparing
for
this
so
that
you
can
be
a
participant?
A
I
I
mean
the
presentation
I
mean
it's
like
we
did
last
time.
I
like
the
idea
of
us
being
there
to
show
that
we
are
a
united
group.
We
don't
all
have
to
talk
just
be
and
having
them
see
our
faces
and
know
that
there
are
people
who
are
doing
this
work
day
in
and
day
out,
that
are
part
of
this
committee.
I
just
think
it's
important
for
not
just
the
counselors
and
the
mayor,
but
the
whole
community
to
see
and
law
enforcement
right.
A
I
agree
definitely
I
would
love
if
all
of
you
are
able
to
make
it
to
be
there
with
us
and
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
talk
or
say
anything,
but
just
the
presence
is,
I
think
important.
So
marcella
I
see
is
wanting
to
jump
into
the
mix.
I
B
Couple
things
one
I
I
I'm
willing
to
to
review
and
edit.
I
feel
I'm
a
little
green
to
speak
number.
One
number.
Two
though
I
am
in
labor
relations
negotiations
until
six
o'clock
that
night.
So
that
said,
I
can't
guarantee
that
I'll,
be
there
there
on
time,
but
as
renee
and
chris
both
know.
If
renee
is
estimating
5
30,
then
it's
probably
6
or
6
15..
B
A
The
difference
is,
we've
changed
our
formatting,
so
presentations
go
fairly
like
at
the
beginning.
They
go
fairly
quickly.
It's
just
a
matter
of
like
how
long
it
takes
for
you
know
any
kind
of
q
a
after
that.
We
we
don't
know
we
never
know.
Last
time
I
was
actually
surprised
the
kind
of
questions
we
got
and
how
long
it
went,
but
I
think
we're
in
a
different
place
now,
so
we
should
be
done
by
six.
So
do
you
know,
don't
you
think
chris?
I
think
we're
finally
getting
our
meetings
a
little
bit
more
in
order.
A
It's
all
good!
Well,
you
will
be
missed
if
you're.
G
C
C
D
A
D
You
just
want
to
let
the
committee
know
my
mother-in-law
was
put
into
hospice
recently
and
I
have
no
idea
what's
gonna
happen
with
us
in
the
next
week
or
two
or
three
or
however
long
it
takes
so
I'm
hoping
I'll
I'll
be
at
the
meeting.
But
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen,
but
you
know
god
willing
I'll
be
there,
but.
C
A
J
Just
be
available
for
anything
that
you
guys
need
me,
I
could
be
there
for
the
meeting.
Is
this
the
30th
right.
A
J
And
this
is
the
same
you
just
log
in
through
the
city
of
santa
fe
website,.
A
A
Okay,
so
maybe
we
can
connect
with
you,
I
don't
know
how
to
get
a
hold
of
you,
but
I
can
reach
out
to
anna
and
just
see
if
there's
a
way
that
we
I
mean,
if
you're
serious
about
being
with
us
and
joining.
H
A
On
the
task
force,
I
actually
think
you'd
be
a
good
addition
if
you're
still
interested,
we
can
talk
offline
about
that.
I
just
don't
want
to
like
mess
up
anything
for
you
if
you're
wanting
to
work
at
the
city
as
an
employee
after
your
internship.
So
we
because
we
can't
really
have
employees
on
the
task
force,
but
we
could
talk
about
that
later.
A
So,
if
you're
interested,
I
will
reach
out
to
anna
about
it
and
see
if
there's
a
possibility
of
ways
that
we
can
work
with
you
and
other
things
that
I
keep
thinking
about,
like
oh
any
kind
of
other
in
research
support
community
engagement
support,
I
don't
know,
there's
so
many
possibilities,
but
yeah.
J
I'd
be
happy
to
be
involved
right
now,
I'm
just
trying
to
graduate
with
my
master's
from
highlands
as
a
social
worker
and
that's
why
I'm
there
as
an
intern.
So
I'm
trying
to
learn
as
much
as
I
can
from
the
community
that
I
live
in,
which
is
here
and
just
get
connected,
learn
a
lot
of
the
programs
that
are
there
services.
J
A
big
part
of
what
I
want
to
do
is
just
learn
how
to
manage
funds
and
spreading,
which
is
like
what
the
city
of
the
youth
and
family
services
division
does
a
lot.
So
I'm
not
really
sure
if
I'm
gonna
be
there
for
for
an
employee,
but
right
now
as
an
intern,
I
know
that
they
they're
starting
a
mobile
hygiene
hygiene
june
unit.
J
So
I'm
I
might
be
interested
in
that,
but
if
it
doesn't
work
out,
I'm
always
open
to
do
just
anything.
That
is
pretty
much
involving
social
work,
which
is
what
you
guys
are
doing.
B
A
J
I
don't
well,
you
can
get
my
highlands
email,
which
is
e
flores
letter
e
flores
and
f
l
o
r,
yes,
live
nmhu.edu.
A
I
Announcement
counselor
here,
everyone
two
seconds:
somos,
is
hiring
like
four
new
positions
and
it's
just
we're
getting
it's
like
development
associated
administrative
assistant,
a
policy
fellow
on
workforce
development
issues
like
just
we
have
all
these
positions
and
so
spread.
The
word
we're
looking
for
good
folks
who
are
bilingual
and
who
care
about
social
justice
issues.
J
J
I
know
that
someone
som
pueblo
nido
works
close
with
the
new
mexico
dream
team,
because
I
was
a
part
of
the
new
mexico
dream
team.
Well,
I
I
like
to
believe
that
I'm
still
part
of
them,
I'm
just
not
very
active.
I
I
do
stay
in
contact
with
janae
and
what
was
that?
Sorry?
You
caught
up.
A
A
Awesome
all
right,
y'all
we'll
be
in
touch
thanks
for
staying
longer.
If
you
have
any
questions
reach
out
and
thank
you
valeria
for
putting
all
the
stuff
that
we
have
together
so
much
to
do
so.
Thank
you
have
a
good.