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A
A
Oh
really,
okay,
all
right!
Let
me
try
something
here:
hey
can
you
all
unmute
yourselves
sure,
because
bruce
is
having
trouble
hi
and
annie
hold
on.
Let
me
make
sure
bruce
asked
to
unmute.
F
I'm
a
interested
city
resident.
B
A
A
C
C
Oh,
no,
I've
got
some
school
work
down
here.
Some
school
district,
oh.
A
A
We'll
let
you
introduce
yourself
once
we
get
everybody
on
here,
but
let
me
see
who's.
Let
me
just
check
my
emails.
If
anyone
said
they
weren't
gonna
make
it.
D
E
E
C
Grandma
and
my
mother
are
first
cousins,
so
they're
my
mom's
mom
and
monica's
grandma's
mom
were
sisters
in
vegas.
A
So
marcella
is
going
to
join
us
in
a
bit,
but
we
can
start
and
just
yeah,
I
feel
like.
We
need
to
start
because
we
have
a
change
in
our
agenda.
Unfortunately,
so
those
of
you
that
are
joining
us
like
andres
and
I
think
that's
our
only
guest-
may
not
may
or
may
not
want
to
keep
keep
with
us
and
some
we
won't
have
the
presentation
we're
expecting.
A
But
let's,
let's
start,
I
guess
we,
let's
officially
start
our
community
health
and
safety
task
force
meeting
for
march,
8th
2022
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
at
5,
34.
A
and
in
terms
of
roll
call.
We
don't
do
roll
call,
but
if
we
could
just
make
sure
we
name
who's
here.
B
Absolutely
welcome
everybody.
Thank
you,
councilwoman
all
right,
so
we've
got
march
8th,
2022
we've
got
renee
chris
annie
gino,
bruce
emily,
monica
mary,
louise
and
our
dear
guest.
Do
I
have
marcella?
Is
she
off
camera
or
not
here.
A
Chris,
do
you
want
to
go
first,
so
you
can
tell
us
what
change
happened
for
our
presentation.
G
Yeah,
so
I'm
in
the
meeting
or
in
an
interview,
I
guess
with
one
of
the
police
chief
candidates
when
I
get
this
text
message
and
I'll
read
it
to
you
guys.
It
says
chris,
it's
faith
vabra
from
ithaca.
We
are
having
issues
for
tonight
internally.
G
G
She
continues
to
say
I'm
so
sorry
for
the
late
notice,
but
I
did
not
anticipate
this
public
response,
so
not
sure.
What's
going
on
there,
she
said
she
could
talk
after
1pm
her
time.
I
did
try
to
call
her
and
she
did
not
answer
so
I'm
not
really
sure
what's
going
on
there,
but
the
way
things
have
gone
in
our
city,
the
last
seven
days
I
see
how
things
can
change
at
the
drop
of
a
dime.
G
So
hopefully
we
can
connect
with
them
later
and
she
did
send
the
presentation
that
she
was
going
to
have
tonight
and
she
said
please
share
it
with
the
committee
so
that
it
may
generate
more
questions
next
time
we
do
or
when
we
do
find
a
time
where
we
can
meet
up
so
I'll
forward
that
to
valedia,
and
maybe
she
can
get
it
out
to
the
rest
of
the
group.
If
that's
okay
with
you
validia
good.
A
Well
now
we
know
when
they
will
be
able
to
reschedule
next
time
so
or
the
next
date
they
said
up
after
april.
Third,
you
said
chris,
that's.
G
A
And
then
we
thought
about
or
shifting
gears
to
have
another
type
of
presentation
for
today,
but
because
we
didn't
notice
it,
we
cannot
have
it
so
in
case,
there's
people
from
the
public
that
want
to
hear
we.
You
know
we
thought
about
the
restoring
the
restorative
justice
presentation.
A
A
So
we
have
options
today
to
just
maybe
some
updates
from
anything
that
is
pertinent
to
our
work
and
then,
if
we
want,
we
could
take
some
time
to
just
go
into
our
breakouts
with
our
working
groups
and
just
kind
of
regroup
and
I'm
hoping
maybe
gino
can
also
join
our
working
group.
But
before
we
do
that,
I
think
maybe
we
should
have
gina
present.
That
present
sorry
do
you
know
you're
prepared
to
present
tonight
sure.
A
I'm
just
trying
to
think
time-wise.
Is
there
anything
else
krista?
Do
you
want
to
update
before
we
let
gino
introduce
himself.
G
I
don't
think
so.
We
went
to
the
fines
and
fees
conference
in
phoenix.
We
were
down
there
with
some
really
great
people
learned
a
lot.
Hopefully
we
can
share
that.
G
More
at
some
time
and
looking
forward
to
what
will
come
out
of
that
the
conference.
So
thanks
to
monica
and
council.
A
So
maybe
we
could,
after
we
do
have
gino
say
a
little
bit.
Then
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
mary.
Louise,
you
have
your
hand
up.
H
Yes,
just
because
we're
on
this
task
force
for
public
safety-
and
I
feel
like
we
need
to
take
a
moment
just
to
recognize
that
we
lost
two
people
in
the
last
week
and
I
just
feel
like
our
hearts
go
out
to
the
family
and
that
we're
doing
this
work,
because
we
want
to
make
that
part
better.
And
I
feel
like.
We
need
to
just
recognize
the
pain
that
our
community
is
feeling.
As
a
result
of
that.
A
Thank
you,
louise,
I
feel
like
yeah.
We
jumped
I'm
in
like
mode
of
like
work
mode
right
now,
so
I've
been
trying
to
like
push
that
or
compo
compartmentalize
that,
because
it's
been
so
hard
the
last
couple
weeks
about
what's
occurred
in
our
community,
and
so
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
and
and
creating
a
space.
For
that.
I
don't
know
if
everybody
knows
about
what
occurred
well
last
week
and
then
also
this
today
or
last
last
night.
A
I
don't
know
all
the
details,
but
one
of
the
one
staff
person
shot
the
other
staff
person,
and
this
was
on
the
road
yesterday,
so
one
of
them,
one
of
them
died
and
the
other
one
is
in
jail,
so
we're
yeah.
It's
been
a
rough
day
for
the
most
part,
so
just
wanted
to
keep.
Thank
you,
mary
louise,
for
bringing
that
up
and
just
keeping.
A
Even
if
we
don't
know
these
folks,
they
have
families,
they
have
friends
and
they
have
co-workers
that
are
grieving
right
now
and
so
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we,
you
know,
recognize
the
importance
of
our
work,
but
also
the
importance
of
being
there
for
community
members,
whether
it's
through
prayer
or
through
just
thinking
about
people
what
they're
going
through
and
knowing
that
there's
people
that
are
struggling
and
that
comes
out
in
really
ugly
and
devastating
ways.
So.
B
B
If
I
could
just
add,
first
of
all,
thank
you
mary,
louise,
there
yeah
there's
been
a
lot
going
on
in
our
city
this
last
couple
of
weeks
and
acknowledgement
here
happy
international
women's
day
by
the
way,
all
these
beautiful,
amazing
women,
all
of
you
and
all
of
all
of
you
here
in
this
container
and
out
in
our
community,
for
all
that,
you
do
all
the
ways
that
you
show
up
for
a
community
for
the
health
and
well-being
of
our
communities.
I
just
wanted
to
to
acknowledge.
F
Was
that
incident
yesterday
the
one
at
cerritos
and
st
michaels?
Yes,
because
I
was
there
turning
right
into
the
smiths
when
I
saw
easily
10
squad
cars,
and
I
just
I
was
just
hoping
that
nothing
major
happened,
but
apparently
not
so
it
was
quite
a
quite
quite
a
scene
over
there.
That's
all.
I
had
thanks.
A
Yes,
thanks
bruce
yeah,
I
was
driving
from
home
from
work
and
saw
a
situation,
and
you
know
they
detoured
us,
but
I
didn't
exactly
know
what
happened
until
later
on
mary
louise,
you
still
did
you
have
your
hand
up
again
or
was
that
no
okay?
A
Well,
I
always
want
to
like
start
off
with
a
deep
breath,
because
it's
been
such
a
day,
so
I
think
I'll
pass
it
to
you
know
just
to
you
know,
get
you
officially
into
our
space
since
the
long-awaited
new
member
we've
been
anxiously
awaiting
you
or
your
participation,
and
I'm
glad
you
glad
to
have
you
gino
and
I'll
hand
it
over
you
to
you
for
a
few
comments.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
councillor,
thank
you,
renee
and,
and
and
chris
for
for
your
leadership
for
this
task
force.
You
know
I've
been
following
it
since
it's
following
the
task
force
since
its
inception.
You
know
the
work
is
important.
C
The
the
the
two
tragedies
that
have
brought
that
have
happened
in
the
last
week
that
it
it
affects
our
work,
and
hopefully
our
work
can
have
an
effect
on
preventing
tragedies
like
that
in
the
future
mental
health
issues
that
that
we
saw
with
last
week's
crash.
C
All
of
that,
so
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
heavy
heart
as
I
as
as
I
joined
the
task
force,
but
it's
also
it's
a
good
time
to
come
on
board
and
be
motivated
to
continue
to
to
help
affect
our
community
the
people
on
the
screen,
I'm
I'm
familiar
with.
Most
all
of
you.
I've
worked
with
most
all
of
you
shoot
over
27
years
now
of
trying
to
help
our
comm
community.
C
I
have
two
highlights
in
my
time
my
relationship
to
the
city.
One
is
I
served
as
city
attorney
for
four
years
under
mayor
coss
and
and
really
enjoyed
that
time.
I
wish
that
you
know
I
had
I
worked
with
chris
during
that
time.
Renee.
I
wish
you
and
I
had
an
opportunity
back
back
then
to
work
together,
but
that's
not
my
highlight
of
the
career
of
my
career
with
the
city
besides
being
on
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force.
C
The
highlight
of
my
career
was
that
I
was
chair
of
the
mayor's
youth
committee.
When
I
was
18
years
old,
so
try
as
I
might
I
can't
you
know.
I
can't
turn
down
opportunities
to
have
an
effect
on
my
community
and
I'm
just
happy
to
be
be
a
member
of
of
this
task
force
to
work
with
you
and
you
know
really
proud
of
the
folks
on
this.
I
I
see
the
names
and
I'm
just
I'm,
I'm
thrilled
you're
all
involved,
and
hopefully
I
can
contribute.
C
Yes,
yes
now
that
said,
chris
rivera
had
graduated
at
least
three
years
prior
to
that.
So.
A
C
C
My
work
within
I
was
I'm
formerly
over
a
decade
ago,
president
of
the
new
mexico
coalition
against
domestic
violence,
and
did
a
lot
of
work
during
law
school,
actually
working
with
a
a
shelter
in
tucson,
not
not
just
working
with
the
residents,
but
I
remember
doing
things
like
like,
like
halloween
parties,
for
the
children
to
give
them
some
type
of
normalcy
while
they
were
transitioning,
hopefully
into
in
into
better
lives.
So
you
know
these
these
community
concerns.
You
know
I.
A
I
love
it,
so
I
think
I
don't
know
monica
do
you
want
to
start
us
off
and
talk
about
the
cities
and
counties
find
and
just
find
and
feed
justice
boot
camp?
E
A
Happy
to
I'm
going
to
start,
and
then
we
can
add
to
like
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
resonated
for
us
or
just
that
was
important
in
general,
because
I
agree
with
chris.
It
was
phenomenal
training
and
I
wish
more
people
could
attend
and
that
we
could
bring
it
to
new
mexico.
But
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
monica.
E
I'm
so
happy
that
we
had
some
good
new
mexico
representation,
both
in
person
and
the
zoom
just
for
everybody.
Here
I
would
have
loved
to
invite
everybody
on
this
task
force
to
come,
but
it
was
very
limited
capacity,
primarily
because
of
covid
and,
like
literal
capacity
issues
at
the
hotel
that
we
were
at
in
in
that
room,
which
was
packed
the
purpose
of
the
fines
and
fees,
it's
a
city.
E
Basically
it's
a
cities
and
counties,
fines
and
fees
boot
camp
and
what
the
find
the
fees
justice
center
has
done.
So
my
organization,
in
partnership
with
policy
link,
was
create
sort
of
a
training
for
localities
that
are
interested
in
pushing
fines
and
fees
reform
locally.
E
E
So
the
wonderful
thing
about
this
particular
conference
is
it
highlights
some
of
the
things
that
you
could
do
and
some
of
the
things
that
other
other
jurisdictions
have
done,
including
our
first
cohort
which
participated
in
this
last
well.
The
last
two
years
that
worked
with
the
fines
of
these
justice
center
and
policy
link
to
sort
of
pass
reforms
in
this
area.
E
So
they
were
there.
They
they
participated
in
a
variety
of
different
panels,
talking
about
their
process,
how
they
involved
community,
how
they
worked
with
local
law
enforcement,
how
they
and
how
they
worked
with
electives.
E
Just
so
people
get
an
idea
of
who
was
at
this
conference
it
was
primarily
for
electeds,
so
there
was
city,
councilors
county
commissioners,
judges,
some
law
enforcement
from
across
the
country
that
were
there
a
couple
advocates
and
community
members,
but
it
was
mainly
focused
on
sort
of
the
the
decision
makers
and
how
they
entered
into
this
work.
Some
of
the
major
priority
areas
for
the
conference
that
all
of
the
panels
hit
over
the
course
of
two
days.
E
One
was
administrative
fees
in
the
criminal
legal
system,
administrative
fees;
they
they
attach
at
every
point.
So
there's
supervision
fees,
there's
conviction,
fees,
there's
jail
fees,
things
like
that
driver's
license
suspensions
and
driver's
license
suspension
reform
in
many
states
as
well
as
in
ours.
If
you
fail
to
pay.
So,
even
if
you
miss
one
payment,
the
court
then
sends
notice
to
the
motor
vehicle
division
to
suspend
your
license.
E
So
if
you
weren't
able
to
pay
before
you
most
likely
won't
be
able
to
pay
after
because
you
can
no
longer
get
to
work
legally.
Take
care
of
your
family.
Take
your
kids
to
school.
All
of
those
things
and,
most
importantly,
you
can't
work
anymore
right,
it's
hard
to
get
to
work.
We
don't
have
a
a
very
great
public
transportation
system.
E
We
do
have
one,
but
it'd
be
great
if
we
invested
in
it
more,
but
because
of
this
it
really
we
it's
sort
of
this
backwards
policy
that
we've
done-
and
this
happens
at
both
state
court
and
municipal
court
and
some
some
jurisdictions
have
actually
gotten
rid
of
this
requirement,
allowing
people
to
reinstate
their
driver's
license.
So
they
can
continue
to
go
to
work,
so
they
can
try
to
pay
whatever
it
is.
They
owe
two
others,
I'm
sorry.
E
If
you
guys
can
hear
my
dog
she's
going
a
little
crazy
in
the
background,
they're
squeaking,
the
other
two
were
the
high
costs
of
incarceration.
There
are
many
jurisdictions
that
actually
charge
booking
fees.
E
Santa
fe
county
jail
does
not
do
that,
but
there
are
some
other
jails
in
the
state
of
new
mexico
that
charge
a
booking
fee,
meaning
that
once
you're
brought
into
custody,
you
are
charged
anywhere
from
a
five
to
a
25
fee
for
that
stay,
while
you're
in
jail
and
then
of
course,
there's
commissary
and
a
big
one
is
the
cost
of
communications
with
your
loved
ones.
E
So,
for
example,
it's
extremely
expensive
to
call
your
girlfriend,
your
mother,
your
kids,
your
boyfriend,
when
you're
in
custody,
some
jurisdictions
have
actually
abolished
this
altogether
and
finally,
a
big
one
is
any
fines
or
fees
that
exceed
your
ability
to
pay,
and
we
can
get
into
that
more.
But
these
are
sort
of
some
of
the
the
primary
policy
reforms
that
we
focused
on.
E
We
also
had
a
county
commissioner
and
somebody
from
the
city's
attorney's
office
in
bernalillo
county
and
in
albuquerque,
so
we
had
two
essentially
two
cities
represented
from
new
mexico,
with
the
hopes
that
there'll
be
more
in
the
future,
but
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
all
want
to
talk
more
about
things
that
stuck
out
to
you,
I'm
happy
to
go
into
things
more,
but
also
eventually
I'll.
Do
a
presentation
on
some
of
the
possibilities
that
that
we
could
do
locally
with
regard
to
fines
and
fees
reform.
Here.
A
Thank
you
monica.
That
was
a
good
summary
and
it
was
two
days
and
I
and
they
were
kind
of
simultaneously
doing.
You
know
in
person
which
everybody
was
masked,
which
I
appreciated,
and
then
there
were
some
people
that
were
also
virtual
and
there
is
a
recording
of
that
of
both
of
the
full
two
days
right.
Monica
that
they'll
be
able
to
share.
I
mean
it's
a
lot
of
time,
so
obviously
we
wouldn't
expect
you
to
want
to
like
listen
to
all
of
it,
but
maybe
there's
like
high
points.
A
If
we,
if
you,
if
you
want
and
are
interested,
we
can
give
you
that
information,
but
I
think
for
me
what
was
very
rewarding
is
having
policy
makers
and
community
advocates
and
also
people
impacted
individuals
like
people
that
actually
had
been
in
the
system
and
what
it
was
like
to
try
to
get
out.
A
Even
though
you
were
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
and
all
the
factors
that
were
against
you
after
serving
time,
so
that
to
me
was
very
helpful
to
have
those
various
perspectives
and
the
speakers
and
panelists,
I
think,
were-
were
excellent,
just
to
kind
of
balance
it
out.
So
I
think
one
thing
that
stuck
with
me
out
of
all
the
examples
that
they
gave
there's
some
areas
that
we're
doing
way
better
than
other
big
cities
are
and
then
there's
areas
that
we
definitely
have
a
need
for
improvement.
A
And
so
we
talked
to
monica
a
little
bit
about
that.
Sometimes
it's
jurisdictional
that
the
city
wouldn't
have
jurisdictions
and
their
state
right
regulatory
aspects
that
we
can't
control.
But
I
think
what
was
really
resonating
for
me
is
that
you
know
community
members
that
were
impacted
was
talking.
A
They
were
talking
about
how
accountability
and
punishment
are
not
the
same
thing,
and
that
kept
coming
back
in
in
my
mind
about
you,
know
the
importance
of
obviously
following
the
rules,
but
not
putting
somebody
in
some
dire
financial
distress,
even
though
they
are
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
A
So
all
those
factors
really
I
just
that
they
just
resonated
with
me
in
so
many
ways
and
then
also
just
hearing
about
how
some
cities
actually
utilize
these
fines
and
fees
for
their
revenue
for
their
budget,
and
that
just
like
blew
my
mind
because
it
just
doesn't
make
any
sense.
So
we
also
have
to
kind
of
look
at
that
in
from
a
jurisdictional
from
our
municipal
point
of
view
and
see
what
what
those
costs
are,
those
revenue
sources
are
and
how
they
impact
our
budget.
A
And
so
I
think
we
still
need
to
figure
that
out,
but
I
think
in
the
end,
I'm
wanting
to
move
forward
with
some
ways
to
at
least
first
dissect
our
current
situation
and
figure
out
what
we
have
control
over
and
and
be
able
to
have
recommendations
through
this
task
force,
but
also
parallel
having
ways
that
we
can
start
making
changes
through
policies.
So
I
mean
I'm
energized.
I
got
energized
from
people
that
are
just
doing
angels
work
across
the
country,
so
chris
has
anything
else
to
share
about
his
experience.
G
I'll
just
say
one
thing
that
came
up
and
it
stuck
with
me
because
it
at
first
I
thought
I
didn't
hear
it
right.
I
thought
something
I
just
didn't
catch
what
she
said,
but
she
said
with
regards
to
the
homeless
people.
G
Typically,
they
they
may
get
a
citation
for
camping
in
an
area
they're
not
supposed
to
and
again
these
people
don't
have
a
place
to
live,
so
they
can't
pay
for
a
citation
or
maybe
even
appear
in
court.
So
she
said
what
they
do
is,
and
I
don't
know
if
they
give
a
voucher
just
a
letter
that
says
that
in
lieu
of
a
ticket
they
must
receive
10
social
services.
G
So,
instead
of
paying
a
fine,
they
had
to
agree
to
receive
social
services
that
could
be
a
meal
that
could
be.
Our
mobile
hygiene
unit
could
be
meeting
with
a
counselor.
I
don't
see
andreas
anymore,
but
it
could
be
something
to
do
with
our
aru.
G
I
mean
I
thought
that
was
great,
that,
instead
of
having
to
pay
or
having
to
be
fined
for
something
you
actually
have
to
receive
something
in
lieu
of
getting
a
a
ticket
or
something
like
that.
So
that
stood
out
with
me
and
again
at
first
it
was
a
double
take
because
I
was
like
they
received
services.
I
didn't
hear
that
right
but
later
on,
she
reiterated
it,
and
I
thought
that
was
a
great
idea.
E
Can
I
add
just
one
more
thing,
please
just
to
add
to
what
councillor
rivera
just
said
he's
he's
talking
about.
E
It's
called
the
connect
program,
it's
a
pilot
program
out
of
san
francisco
and
I
think,
and
then
in
addition
to
that,
I
think
what's
difficult
and
what
people
don't
realize
is
that
you
can
go
to
jail
because
you
can't
pay
and
we're
in
america
right
and
there
was
this
thing
called
debtors
prisons
that
we
abolished
in
the
1800s,
because
it
was
unamerican
to
put
to
take
somebody's
freedom
because
they
didn't
have
that
money.
Yet
we
found
sort
of
another
way
to
do
that.
E
So
in
new
mexico
in
santa
fe,
people
go
to
jail
because
they
cannot
afford
to
pay
a
fine
or
a
fee.
This
happens
and
it
happens
across
the
state,
but
it
definitely
happens
in
santa
fe
also,
and
there's
really
no
well.
Of
course,
there's
no
need
for
that.
So
there's
lots
of
ways
that
we
can
approach
the
issue
and
there's
a
lot
of
ways.
E
We
can
approach
the
issue
on
the
municipal
level,
not
just
on
the
state
level,
but
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
about
fines
and
fees
and
other
things
with
regard
to
the
criminal
legal
system.
But
it
was
a
wonderful
conference
and
I'm
so
glad
that
we
were
able
to
go.
A
Yes,
thank
you.
I
think
the
the
fact
that
there
was
alternatives
that
they
provided
instead
of
just
telling
us
about
the
problems,
but
that
there
was
alternatives
to
to
what
we
could
do
and
and
the
fact
that
they've
showed
by
research,
that
when
you
lower
fees
and
make
it
more
or
easier
to
pay,
the
more
people
will
pay
versus
these
high
fees
that
will
never
get
paid,
and
this
the
city
or
whatever
jurisdiction
will
never
cl,
but
we'll
never
collect
them.
A
So
there's
like
millions
of
dollars
owed
and
they
said
that
if
it
was
lower,
there
were
more
people
that
would
be
able
to
actually
pay
so
to
say
that
you
lose
revenue
is
a
farce,
so
I'm
just
I
was
really
inspired
by
all
of
it.
So
thank
you
monica
for
sending
that
up
and
looking
forward
to
how
we
can
operationalize
some
things
that
we
learned
into
policy
changes.
So
any
questions
from
any
members
about
the
boot
camp
or
any
policy
stuff
or
anything
in
general
related
to
this
topic,
all
right.
A
Okay!
Well,
since
we're
not
having
a
presentation-
oh
I
guess
to
add
to
communications.
Our
procurement
process
is
moving
forward
from
what
they've
been
telling
us.
Although
these
current
situations
might
again
delay
us.
However,
there
was
conversation
about
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
putting
into
the
or
what's
written
for
the
scope
of
work
for
dr
sanchez
is
accurate
and
that
they
were
going
to
move
forward
with
that.
A
They
were
communicating
that
with
chris
and
I,
while
we
were
in
phoenix,
but
I
think
it's
moving
forward
in
some
fashion,
so
that's
good
news
and
then
just
to
update
on
police
chief.
There
there's
two
finalists
one's
internal
who's,
our
current
interim
chief
joy
and
there's
another
candidate
who's,
a
deputy
chief
from
rio
rancho.
His
name
is
andrew
rodriguez
right,
chris
and
so
they've
been
having
different.
A
Obviously
some
of
you
may
have
been
part
of
that,
and
then
they,
I
think,
they're
gonna
do
a
public
forum,
but
they
had
these
very
short,
meet
and
greets
for
us
one
today,
one
for
tomorrow,
30
minutes
with
half
of
the
counselors,
which
doesn't
make
any
sense.
Because
then
we
really
can't
ask
any
questions.
A
However,
I
don't
know
if
I
guess
we
shouldn't
probably
say
our
thoughts,
but
I
did
ask
about
at
least
with
rodriguez
what
his,
if
he
knew
about
our
work
about
the
task
force,
and
he
said
no.
So
that
was
disappointing,
but
I
did
ask
him
about
things.
He
thought
in
terms
of
reform.
He
thought
would
make
would
be
needed
in
a
general
sense,
and
he
somewhat
answered
that.
So
I
don't
know
if
chris
you
had
anything
to
share
in
your
experience.
We
were
in
different
groups,
but
it
was
30
minutes.
A
So
it
was
very
had
enough
to
really
like
dig
into
the
questions.
Each
counselor
pretty
much
got
one
question.
I
did
ask
him
if
he
would
move
if
he
because
he
lives
in
rio
rancho
if
he
would
relocate
to
santa
fe.
He
got
the
job
and
he
said
yes,
so
that
was
interesting
and
also
I
he
did
tell
us
that
he
has
a
degree
in
masters
in
what
was
it
marcella
in
public
administration,
administration.
I
A
Question
sorry
he
did.
He
did
study
constitutional
law,
which
made
me
think
of
monika
and
all
the
things
that
we
talked
about
to
understand.
Constitutional
law
go
ahead,
marcella.
I
Oh
just
a
quick
question
that
mary,
louise
and
I
were
talking
about
earlier
today
or
didn't
know,
does
do
you
know
if
our
current
interim
police
chief
lives
in
santa
fe?
I
A
I
don't
know
I
thought
he
did,
but
we
have
a
I'll
ask
that
same
question
tomorrow
for
chief
joy,
because
I
thought
he
did
live
here.
Don't
you
think,
chris
all
right,
I'm
not.
G
A
Okay,
so
he
probably
does.
I
A
G
A
Yeah,
I'm
assuming
by
the
end.
Well,
I
don't
know
in
a
couple
weeks
or
less
so,
but
yeah
I
mean
I
wish
I
could
get
questions
from
you
all,
but
because
we
don't
have
time
with
them
very
long.
We
can't
ask
those
questions,
but
I
I
will
ask
chief
joy
about
he
does
know
about
her
work
and
just
curious
about
his
ideas
or
what
he
thinks
from
what
he
knows
now.
If
there's
anything,
he
thinks
rises
to
the
top
in
terms
of
cultural
shifts
or
changes.
A
E
I
just
had
a
question
about
the
calendar
as
we
start
to
talk
to
people
to
participate
in
some
of
the
panels
that
we're
developing.
I
know
that
I
think
it
was
marcelo
that
asked
about
it
last
meeting
just
so
that
we
can.
You
know,
because
we
may
have
put
together
a
panel,
not
just
a
presentation,
but
a
panel
of
people
that
are
from
all
over
the
country,
so
just
help
coordinate
that
as
we
try
to
build
those
out.
B
Am
actually
making
a
note,
so
we
have
a
work
plan.
What
I
will
do
is
I'm
going
to
re-share
the
work
plan
with
everybody,
because
this
is
also
tied
into
our
quarterly
report
that
that's
coming
up
so
expect
an
email
from
me
tomorrow
and
as
for
coordination,
if
you,
if
the
working
groups
can
give
me
a
list
of
when
those
panels
or
presentations
are
being
pitched
to
to
be
scheduled
for
or
confirmed
for,
then
I
can
work
with
coordinate
with
those
working
groups
to
to
make
sure
people
are
lined
up.
B
Pdfs
are
sending
time
you
know
everybody's
up
to
speed
and
ready
to
go
for,
for
when
those
presentations
take
place,
make
the
most
of
our
time
together.
So.
A
I
think
it
was
more
about
seeing
a
calendar
so
that
we
know
when
what's
happening,
and
then
we
could
plug
in
potential.
B
Right
so
so
that's
that's
that
work
plan.
It's
it's
the
presentations
and
the
projected
months
that
these
presentations
would
take
place.
So
we
can
revisit
that
and
if
there
are
any
updates,
the
folks
can
make
those
revisions
right
there
on
the
actual
workplace.
D
D
D
Actually
share
like
this,
you
know
here
are
the
dates
that
we
need
of
upcoming
meetings
that
you
can
pitch
for
presentations.
I
think
we've
been
hesitant
to
just
pitch
it
to
the
panels,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
national
and
local
folks
and
it'll.
Take
it's
much
better
to
give
them
one
date
that
we
know
works
on
our
end.
D
B
That
works
for
presentations,
so
what
I
I'll
do
is
I
will
highlight
those
in
the
work
plan
and
then
ping,
because
the
work
plan
is
organized
by
each
of
the
priorities.
Presentations
included
so
I'll
pay.
The
meeting
dates
to
the
respective
folks
here
so
that
they
you
you
will
get
a
notification
via
email
as
to
what
that
date
is,
and
then
you
can
plan
accordingly.
Does
that
help
emily
beautiful?
B
So
how
I
wanted
to
just
propose
renee-
and
chris-
do
we
want
to
before
we
do
the
breakout
rooms
which
I
have
them
lined
up.
First
of
all,
where
do
I
include
gino
and
do
we
want
to
go
through
matters
from
the
task
force
before
the
breakout
session?
So
once
we're
done
with
the
breakout
sessions,
then
folks
can
complete
their
time
together.
How
does
that
sound.
A
B
That
was
my
intuitive
hit,
so
that's
where
I
put
you
too
had
a
feeling.
Renee
was
gonna
say
that
do
we
want
to
have
a
check-in
for
matters
from
the
task
force
before
we
break
out.
A
Okay,
the
only
thing
I'll
add
that
you
all
should
be
aware
of
and
valeria,
and
I
and
chris
are
already
talking
about
to
plan
for
it
since
things
sneak
up
on
us
so
quickly,
but
march
30th
is
the
next
city
council
meeting
for
this
month,
and
that
is
when
we'll,
because
we're
required
to
do
quarterly
reports
or
updates,
and
so
that
will
be
our
time
frame
to
do
a
quarterly
update
to
the
governing
body.
A
And
so
a
lot
of
the
stuff.
We've
been
on
kind
of
a
holding
pattern,
not
because
of
by
choice.
But
it's
like
these
things
that
we
we
are
ready
to
go,
but
we
have
to
wait
for
city
and
for
you
know
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
staff
to
help
us.
So
obviously
we
won't
focus
on
that,
but
I
think
it's
just
indicative
of
this.
Like
it's
already
end
of
march,
you
know-
and
someone
will
be
like-
why
haven't
you
done
this
and
I'm
like
well
we're
waiting
for
this
and
this
and
this
like?
A
We
can't
make
things
happen
internally
for
the
city,
but
but
we
can
certainly
inform
ourselves,
like
we've,
been
doing
the
presentations
et
cetera,
so.
B
Right
great
point:
renee.
I
think.
G
B
Yeah
I've
got
I've,
got
mary,
louise
and
then
marcella,
but
I
wanted
just
to
add
echo
what
renee
said
and
part
of
what
I'm
gonna
send
tomorrow.
Is
that
work
plan
document
so
that
you
can
include
any
updates
that
you've
had
in
this
first
quarter,
because
renee
and
I
and
chris
will
have
a
working
session
where
we're
gonna
pull
everything
together
into
that
presentation,
so
that
it's
ready
to
go
for
for
the
governing
body.
Go
ahead,
mary,
louise
and
then
marcel
go
ahead
and
release.
H
So
this
is
a
little
bit
off,
but
I
I
wanted
to
just
check
in
with
you
guys
to
see
if
you
received
the
report
that
we're
doing
with
elementary
schools
with
restorative
justice.
Did
you
guys
get
that.
H
H
I
didn't
send
anything
that
we're
doing
with
middle
in
high
school,
but
I
I
think
at
some
point
it
would
be
good
and
I
think
when
marcela
and
I
present
that
I
can
maybe
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
we
are
doing,
especially
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
gang-related
activity
that
are
happening
and
so
anyhow,
I
I'm
glad
you
guys
got
what
we're
doing
already
with
elementary,
because
that's
important
and
the
city
sponsoring
it.
So
that's
awesome.
B
Beautiful
beautiful
mary
louise
thank
you,
so
that
will
be
something
that'll
be
great
to
also
plug
into
that
work
plan,
so
that
will
alert
renee
chris
and
I
to
make
sure
that
there's
that
space
there
for
that
touch,
point
for
that
presentation.
Go
ahead.
Marcel.
I
A
It's
verbal,
I'm
pretty
sheep
yeah
verbal
now.
I
We
did
not
present
the
work
plan,
so
maybe
we
really
do
flush
out
with
dates
of
our
panel
presentations.
Our
work
plan,
like
maybe
we
really
just
flush
out
and
hone
and
and
just
make
the
most
polished
work
plan.
To
present
for
that
which
includes
every
presentation,
we're
gonna
do
and,
and
hopefully
the
dates.
We
could
just
really
focus
on
that
this
this
month
and
and
get
that
filled
in
for
the
rest
of
the
year.
I
The
other
thing
because
I
think
that's
a
lot
of
work
planning
and-
and
we
could
present
that
as
our
report,
one
two
I'm
wondering
if
part
of
our
what
we
can
present-
and
this
would
take
a
little
bit
more
work-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
would
have
to
do
it
or
it's
something
that
valeria
would
do
or
who
would
be
doing
it
but
kind
of
putting
together
the
report
plan.
I
And
I
think
it
would
be
a
helpful
guidance
to
us
and
when
I
say
a
report
plan
like
just
kind
of
a
table
of
contents
where
we're
saying
these
are
the
things
in
addition
to
the
input
that
we
are
going
to
include
in
our
report.
So
for
us
it
would
be
we're
going
to
include
a
piece
on
restorative
justice
programs
with
recommendations
around
future
kinds
of
restorative
justice
programs.
I
We're
going
to
include
you
know,
changes
to
local
fines
and
fees,
just
so
that
the
counselors
and
the
public
can
anticipate
the
different
buckets
of
work
that
we
are
actually
going
to
be
putting
our
our
rep.
That
will
be
comprising
our
report.
That's
just
an
idea
for
what
we
could
work
on
this
month
and
present
as
a
part
of
our
report.
B
And
are
you
envisioning
this,
as
you
speak
to
to
this
table
of
contents
in
the
buckets?
Are
you
envision
this
as
a
visual
aid
or
as
an
actual
document
that
people
can
read
through
very
very
distilled
to
the
point,
concise
laser
focus.
D
I
Need
to
do
a
powerpoint
every
time
we
present,
we
just,
I
feel,
like
part
of
our
sort
of
opening
back
up
to
the
public,
is
really
again
the
journey
and
and
letting
people
so
and
again
this
one
piece
on
the
restorative
justice.
So
I
envision
that
well
one.
We
want
to
know
what
community
thinks
so
it'll
get
filled
in
by
the
work
that
gabe
does
right
and
that
our
task
force
in
the
community
does.
I
But
I
know-
and-
and
you
know,
we've
done
this
in
the
past-
where
it's
you
know,
this
is
what
studies
it'll
basically
be
like
our
presentation.
What
is
the
history
of
rj?
What
are
the
different
kinds
of
programs?
What
are
the
different
studies
that
show
that
it
actually
works
and
lowers
recidivism,
etc?
As
a
piece
of
our
report
that'll
be
a
piece
of
our
report
right,
so
letting
people
know
that
ahead
of
time,
so
that
if
people
want
to
send
us
information,
they
can
and
we'll
incorporate
it.
If
we
want
to
right.
A
So
I
think
marcella
you're
saying
it
will
be
a
document
because
that
will
be
our
end
product
with
all
those
pieces
filled
added
in,
but
but
right
now,
you're
asking
for
an
outline
of
the
different
areas
that
we're
looking
at
so
that
we
can
start
filling
them
in
when
we.
B
B
G
Before
you
all
see
it
in
the
paper
I
did
file,
I
see
some
smiles,
so
you
guys
already
know,
but
I
did
file
to
run
for
a
county
commissioner
in
district
three.
So
let's
see.
G
D
I
G
F
G
G
G
G
Commissioner,
garcia
right
now
is
doing
two
dubs,
so
I
don't
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
there's
specific
ones
in
our
charter
or
possibly
the
counties.
I
G
B
G
B
C
B
B
Thank
you
all
so
much
I'll
be
bouncing
back
and
forth
capturing
any
action,
steps
or
things
that
we
need
to
follow
up
on
so
so
great
to
be
back
here
with
you,
and
here
we
go.