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B
Absolutely
welcome
everybody
good
evening
a
rolled
call
councilwoman
Rene
Villarreal
present
councilor
Chris
Rivera.
C
B
Mary
Louise
Romero
here
I
think
we
have
Marcella
on
the
phone
Marcela
Diaz
I'm
here,
and
we
have
ours
and
Julie
Sanchez,
of
course,
with
the
city,
and
we
have
our
special
guest,
Kira
Ochoa
and
Dr
Gabriel
Sanchez
from
UNM
Center
for
policy
and
our
Barbara
Schroeder.
A
Great,
thank
you
appreciate
that
I
always
call
it
a
roll
call
vote,
but
it's
just
a
roll
call.
Just
have
it
anyway.
Approval
of
the
minutes
for
January
24th,
any
changes
from
staff
Julie.
A
B
Absolutely
councilor
Chris
Rivera,
yes,
councilwoman,
genevi
Ariel.
Yes,
any
Ruskin
all
abstain
since
I.
Wasn't
there.
Thank
you,
Emily
cottonbach,
yes,
Mary,
Louise,
Romero,
yes,
Marcela
Diaz,.
A
All
right
thanks,
let's
skip
down
to
presentation,
driveway
and
then
we'll
come
back
up
so
that
we
are
respectful
of
Dr
Sanchez's
time.
If
that's,
okay
with
everybody
all
right.
Let's
move
forward
with
Community
engagement,
update,
Dr
Sanchez,
welcome.
E
A
E
A
F
Says
not
giving
powers
for
screen
sharing.
F
You
for
that
and
then,
as
I
I
pull
this
up.
If
you
could
give
me
an
idea,
so
I
don't
go
into
Professor
mode
and
Yap
too
long
about
how
long
would
you
suggest.
F
All
right,
all
right,
I'll,
take
I'll
take
some
time
what
I'll
do
with
you.
Members
of
the
council,
members
of
the
committee,
is
present
the
randomly
selected
data
from
the
survey.
So
you
get
an
idea.
What
those
results.
F
Look
like
I
shared
a
much
longer
version
earlier
today,
so
some
of
you
may
have
that
I,
basically
just
merged
some
of
the
slides
to
slow
down
how
many
slides
I'd
have
to
walk
through,
but
it's
essentially
the
same
content
and
through
this
I'll
give
a
little
bit
of
an
update
on
where
we
are
in
the
other
aspects.
But
obviously,
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
ask
me
any
other
questions
about
where
we
are
in
the
process.
F
F
You
see
that
we
ended
up
with
300
respondents,
which
was
our
Target,
so
we
got
through
that
first
phase
of
the
project
and
really
good
time
with
300
completes
it's
not
a
massive
sample,
so
we
can't
do
as
many
nuanced
breakouts
as
we
get
more
of
the
open
link
responses
added
to
the
data,
we
can
do
a
little
bit
more,
but
you'll
see
in
the
slides
that
I'll
present
for
you
today.
F
F
With
some
telephone
interviews
as
well
and
we
are
again
fully
bilingual
as
an
interview
team,
so
we
have
English
and
Spanish
interviews
and
even
though
we
had
a
pretty
solid
match
the
demographics
from
our
sample,
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
is
take
a
look
at
what
the
U.S
census
defines
for
the
city
of
Santa
fe's
population
across
demographics.
Look
at
our
survey
sample
and
if
we
need
to,
we
balance
that
a
little
bit
by
weighting
the
data.
F
F
F
Was
really
really
strong,
we
were
actually
very
pleasantly
surprised
at
how
closely
we
match
the
demographics
with
the
people
that
we
interviewed
randomly
first
major
theme.
Folks
that
recall
looking
at
the
survey
instrument
remember,
we
spent
a
bit
of
time
looking
at
the
issue,
priorities
and
saliency.
So
what
are
the
most
important
issues
to
City
of
Santa
Fe
residents
and
as
I'll
show
you
in
a
moment.
F
Folks
are
mostly
concerned
with
the
rising
cost
of
living
and,
more
specifically,
housing
costs.
We
actually
found
that
this
was
even
greater
among
renters,
so
we
see
in
the
data
that
renters
not
only
number
one
are
probably
facing
higher
extremity
in
terms
of
seeing
their
rent
raise
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
but
obviously
that's
impacting
their
ability
to
become
homeowners.
We.
F
That
residents
prioritize
reducing
homelessness
and
obviously
the
major
theme
looking
at
crime
and
overall
well-being
and
safety
was
a
priority.
Give
you
a
few
different
ways
to
look
at
that
dimension
of
policy
priority
and
overall
salience.
In
this
question
we
asked
folks:
how
would
you
define
a
safe
and
Vibrant
Community
right,
so
what
factors
go
into
that
and,
as
you
see,
70
percent
of
respondents
that
was
the
high
across
all
the
different
Concepts.
F
We
put
info
in
front
of
folks
indicated
that
jobs
that
pay
affordable
wages
here
in
the
community
of
Santa
Fe
was
the
number
one
priority
in
terms
of
again
what
defines
a
safe
and
Vibrant
Community,
but
you
also
see
affordable
housing,
lower
crime
rates
here
in
the
community
quality
schools
and
then
a
bit
of
a
drop
off
under
50,
but
you
still
see
an
important,
strong
support
for
access
to
safe
and
clean
public
parks
and
spaces
and
access
to
healthy
and
affordable
food
here
in
Santa
Fe.
Those
are
all
the
top
priorities
that
were
listed.
F
F
We
also
asked
folks
a
little
bit
more
directly
for
their
important
policy
issues,
so
here's
an
important
Dynamic
to
this
question.
We
specifically
framed
for
local
officials
here
in
Santa
Fe
to
address
so
we
tried
to
hone
in
on
this
so
that
folks
identified
things
at
the
local
level
and
not
things
that
could
be
addressed
by
Congress
or
the
state.
And
you
see
that
when
we
ask
a
question
this
way
over,
a
third
at
35
percent
of
respondents
indicated
that
affordable
housing
was
their
top
priority.
F
F
Important
to
City
residents,
including
creating
jobs
with
better
wages,
helping
Santa
Fe
residents
who
are
struggling
financially
with
more
resources,
addressing
health
care
costs,
etc,
etc.
So
you
see
a
wide
range
of
overall
priorities,
but
at
the
top
of
the
list
again
economic
issues
like
affordable
housing
and
the
rising
cost
of
living,
coupled
with
reducing
homelessness
and
addressing
crime.
F
Because
we
knew
that
going
into
this
right,
Financial
well-being,
cost
of
living
all
these
different
Dynamics
in
terms
of
the
everyday
expenses
of
families
across
the
city,
we're
going
to
be
a
priority.
We
wanted
to
get
a
few
different
measures
in
front
of
you
folks,
to
give
you
an
idea
of
how
people
are
bearing
through
this
financial
period
and
what
decisions
some
folks
are
having
to
make
as
a
result
of
this,
and
you
see
that
when
we
ask
folks
over
the
past
year,
has
your
financial
situation
have
gotten
better
or
worse?
F
A
sizable
segment
of
the
population
39
who
indicate
that
their
personal
financial
situation
is
either
gotten
a
lot
better,
only
six
percent
of
those
folks,
but
33
somewhat
better.
You
see
a
sizable
segment
have
indicated
things
have
gotten
worse
for
them
at
29,
and
the
important
context
is
for
all
of
you.
F
You
recall
that
last
year
wasn't
exactly
a
great
economic
reality
here
in
the
state
of
New
Mexico
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
specifically,
so
the
fact
that
even
weathering
a
very
difficult
Financial
year
folks
are
still
indicating
a
29
that
things
have
gotten
worse.
It's
pretty
telling
we
think
in
terms
of
of
how
people
are
are
dealing
with
their
financial
situation
right
now.
We.
H
F
See
that
38
are
somewhat
concerned,
you
add
the
other
22
percent,
who
are
very
concerned
right
and
that's
essentially
the
modal
category
of
60
of
folks
who
have
a
high
enough
level
of
concern
that
they're
literally
saying
they're
concerned.
They
might
have
to
actually
leave
the
community
foreign
I
break
out
for
you,
the
overall,
then
great
percentage
of
folks
who
have
indicated
that
they've
had
to
do
one
of
the
following,
be
because
of
the
rising
cost
of
living
and
specifically
asking
folks
within
the
past
year.
F
So
very
recent
I
give
you
a
grade
the
overall
total
on
this
one,
we're
analyzing
families,
so
in
green,
our
our
parents,
with
kids
18
years
or
younger
that
still
live
in
the
household,
and
you
see
that
residence
overall,
but
particularly
parents,
have
had
to
make
some
very
difficult
decisions
as
a
result
of
the
very
difficult
and
we're
seeing
financial
situation
that
folks
are
weathering.
So
you
see
borrowing
money
from
friends
or
family
overall
28,
but
a
higher
36
percent
for
families.
F
A
more
scary
statistic
right
used
up
all
or
most
of
my
savings
to
help
pay
for
our
families.
Expenses.
You
see
it
35
again,
families
even
more
difficult
financial
situation
than
the
overall
City
population
spending
less
time
with
my
children
or
family
on
entertainment,
or
just
being
able
to
spend
time
together
as
a
family.
You
see
23
for
folks
that
have
kids
in
the
household
versus
18
overall
folks
having
to
make
difficult
decisions
like
postponing
and
cutting
back
on
their
families
or
children's
activities
all
the
way
down
the
list.
F
So
some
of
these
that
don't
have
as
high
of
an
overall
response,
but
we
know,
are
detrimental
to
the
overall
family,
not
just
now,
but
long
term.
One
I'll
draw
your
attention
to
is
the
fact
that
nine
percent
of
overall
City
of
Santa
Fe
residents
indicate
that
they've
postponed
or
quit
education
or
career
related
expenses.
So,
unfortunately,
these
difficult
decisions
folks
are
making
now
are
going
to
have
implications
well
into
the
future
that
could
impact
themselves
and
obviously
their
family's
overall
economic
well-being.
F
You
see,
especially
families
of
nine
percent,
have
also
borrowed
money
from
a
Payday
or
title
loan
company,
with
a
high
interest
rate.
So
again,
wide
range
of
financial
challenges
are
banking
people,
forcing
them
essentially
into
very
difficult
decisions
that
might
actually
be
bad
for
their
economic
well-being.
In
the
longer
term,
foreign.
G
F
Some
of
these
economic
challenges
and
some
of
the
other
data
that
I'll
share
with
you
before
we
finish
up
this
evening
on
other
things
related
to
Public
Safety,
a
sizable
segment
of
of
the
survey
sample
indicate
that
they're
satisfied
with
their
life
living
in
Santa
Fe.
So
you
see
that
29
are
very
satisfied.
F
You
add
to
that
another
55
who
are
somewhat
satisfied,
and
it
gives
you
an
84
clip
of
people
who
indicate
that
they're
satisfied
with
living
in
the
City
compared
to
only
16
percent,
who
are
dissatisfied
so
there's
a
lot
of
very
positive
indicators
from
the
survey
data
of
the
quality
of
life
in
Santa,
Fe,
being
very
strong.
A
lot
of
folks
indicating
that
they
feel
connected
to
their
Community
Etc,
which
I
think
is,
is
a
good
thing
to
highlight.
When
some
of
the
data
that
I'll
share
with
you
isn't
so
positive.
F
When
we
break
out
the
data
on
satisfaction
again
giving
you
an
idea
of
some
of
the
ways
we
can
cut
the
data,
even
with
a
relatively
small
sample
size
of
300
respondents,
you
see
that
the
the
one
that
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
not
the
bar
chart
where
you
get
the
salience
they're
very
satisfied
all
the
way.
The
very
distant
dissatisfied,
but
in
green
indicates
when
you
combine
Varian
somewhat.
F
Those
are
the
folks
that
indicate
they're
satisfied
with
living
in
Santa
Fe,
and
you
see
that
84
overall,
but
women
slightly
lower
at
77
percent
renters
at
74,
a
10
Gap
relative
to
the
overall
average.
So
you
do
see
some
pockets
in
the
population
who
aren't
quite
as
as
strong
in
terms
of
their
satisfaction
levels,
but
on
the
flip
side
of
that
families,
for
example,
at
90
satisfaction
right,
so
you
again
get
an
opportunity
to
see
if
we
can
cut
the
data
across
these
demographic
factors.
F
When
we
ask
folks,
do
you
think
this
is
a
safe
place
to
raise
children?
55
of
overall
respondents
indicate
yes,
even
higher
is
69
of
the
of
the
overall
City
population
indicates
they're
proud
to
live
in
Santa,
Fe
and
consider
themselves.
A
member
of
the
community
and
even
higher
76
percent,
indicate
that
they
feel
that
if
they
work
with
other
community
members,
they
can
make
Santa
Fe
a
safer
place
to
live
and
work.
F
That's
a
measure
of
social
scientists
like
to
use
to
capture
efficacy,
whether
or
not
people
feel
they
can
have
influence
in
their
community.
So
a
lot
of
strong
positive
data
points.
But
despite
that,
a
sizable
segment
you
see
of
the
City's
population
indicates
that
they
don't
feel
that
they
have
enough
influence,
specifically
in
Santa
Fe,
on
decisions
that
are
made
to
address
Public
Safety.
So.
F
Their
Community
as
the
way
that
I'd
interpret
this
this
set
of
slides,
but
they
feel
like
they
don't
quite
have
enough
influence
on
decision
making
you
see,
39
indicating
they
don't
have
enough
influence,
might
have
only
eight
percent
indicating
that
they
feel
they
have
too
much
influence.
So
it
gives
you
policy
makers
an
opportunity
to
Think
Through.
How
might
we
engage
the
public
more
directly
get
their
input?
F
Etc
are
I
think
that's
an
indication
of
the
community
that
your
list,
other
major
theme,
obviously
was
to
get
a
sense
of
Public
Services.
How
folks
feel
about
that?
Do
they
feel
that
the
services
that
are
being
provided
are
doing
well
for
them,
or
they
feel
that
there's
there's
room
for
improvement
and
also
perception
of
access
points
for
different
segments
of
the
community?
F
So
when
we
ask
folks
how
would
they
rate
the
following
Public
Services
here
in
Santa
Fe,
you
see
we
asked
folks
across
a
wide
different
spectrums
of
type
of
services
that
are
provided
and
it
ranges
from
good
all
the
way
to
poor
right,
good
in
terms
of
green
yellow
fare
red
is
poor,
so
it
gives
you
an
indication
across
a
number
of
these
different
dynamics
of
how
folks
perceive
that
they're
rated,
and
you
see
that
well,
the
fire
department,
ambulance
and
Trash
Services
have
over
50
percent
approval
ratings.
F
The
high
with
the
fire
department
is
65
percent,
some
other
services
like
police
transportation.
You
see
education,
mental
health,
homeless,
Services
addiction
and
substance
abuse
Services.
Those
aren't
rated
nearly
as
highly
right.
So
when
we
think
about
some
of
those
at
the
bottom
of
the
tier
homeless,
Services
addiction
and
substance
abuse
Services.
F
I
show
for
you
in
red,
Family
and
Children's
Services
I'm,
showing
you
specifically
the
data
points
for
families,
so
those
that
that
have
kids
18
years
or
younger
in
their
household,
and
you
see
that
folks
want
to
see
more
Community
programs
for
children
when
schools
are
closed
or
let
out
during
the
summer
at
62
percent.
54
percent
of
families
want
to
see
more
after
school
activities,
51
percent,
more
summertime
programs,
40
percent,
more
child
care
and
daycare
options,
35
percent
more
preschool
and
31
more
K
through
12
school
options
and
choice.
F
F
Services,
specifically,
this
is
data
across
the
full
sample,
not
just
families
or
parents.
You
see
that
43
percent
of
a
city
residents
indicate
that
they
would
like
to
see
keeping
current
or
maintaining
job
skills,
opportunities
available
to
them
workshops
or
courses
that
that's
a
high
priority,
53
job
search,
assistance
and
or
training
right
and
16,
specifically
programs
and
services
to
help
folks
obtain
a
GED
right.
So
a
wide
range
of
Employment
Services
would
be
valuable
to
members
of
the
community
and
specifically
highlighting
some
Health
Services
again.
F
This
one
is
and
purple
is
of
all
respondents,
not
just
families
or
parents.
You
see
addiction
and
substance
abuse
services,
so
it
makes
sense
right
if
folks
are
saying
on
the
last
slide.
This
is
not
rated
as
highly
as
some
of
the
others.
It
would
make
sense
that
64
percent
of
folks
would
like
to
see
expanded
Services
being
available.
F
Similarly,
62
percent
Mental
Health
Care
Services
basic
Medical
Care
at
56,
Specialty
Care,
like
dentists,
Etc
at
44
and
25
holistic,
Medical
Care,
like
acupuncture
Etc,
all
right,
so
it
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
folks
would
like
to
see
more
of.
In
some
cases
it
might
be
that
folks
are
just
not
aware
or
familiar
with
services
that
you're
already
providing
across
some
of
these
entities,
so
it
might
be
an
opportunity
to
increase
information
or
Outreach
about
what
you
already
have
in
place.
F
F
As
everybody
else.
You
see
that
61
percent
the
high
indicate
that
it's
low
income,
people
that
do
not
get
the
same
quality
of
Health,
Care
Services
as
others.
So
that's
the
the
most
high
priority
for
fall,
followed
by
folks
from
diverse
communities
who
face
more
barriers
to
getting
Quality
Health
Care
Services
at
55.
But
you
see
across
the
board
right.
F
E
F
Us
along
the
next
major
theme,
which
is
obviously
the
core
of
the
overall
study,
is
criminal
justice
of
Public
Safety.
As
a
broad
theme,
we
tried
to
look
at
both
experiences
that
folks
have
with
crime
or
the
criminal
justice
system,
as
well
as
their
perceptions
about
safety
and,
at
the
very
tail
end
of
the
presentation.
I'll
give
you
a
few
of
the
policy
preferences
on
things
that
can
be
done
to
address
crime
and
Public
Safety
overall,
so
we
asked
folks
specifically
not
just
in
general,
but
specifically
when
it
comes
to
crime
in
Santa
Fe.
F
What
do
they
think
are
the
three
biggest
problems
facing
the
city
and
you
see
again
some
common
themes
that
you've
already
seen
across
the
data
homelessness
as
the
the
top
or
molar
category
of
41,
followed
by
34
drug
abuse,
whether
that's
manufacturing,
the
sale
or
use
of
illegal
or
prescription
drugs
is
number
two
in
issue
priorities.
And
then
you
see
a
tie
in
terms
of
car,
break-ins
and
robberies
or
home
break-ins
and
robberies.
F
Drunk
driving
traffic
issues,
domestic
violence,
school
safety
and
gang
activity
that
are
among
the
top,
but
you
see
in
green
those
are
the
highest
priorities
that
have
some
distance,
particularly
homelessness
and
drug
abuse,
from
the
rest
of
the
issues
that
folks
feel
our
top
priorities.
Again,
specifically
when
we
we
cue
people
to
think
about
crime
in
their
community,
when
we
ask
folks
compared
to
just
one
year
ago,
do
you
feel
more
safe
or
less
safe
living
in
Santa
Fe?
F
We
asked
folks
how
much
you
know
psychologically:
they
worry
about
crime
and
safety
in
their
Community
here
in
Santa
Fe,
and
you
see
that
nearly
70
percent
of
City
residents
overall
indicate
they
do
worry
about
crime
and
safety,
either
a
great
deal
or
some
almost
80
and
79.
When
you
add
those
two
categories
together
and
in
this
one,
you
know
it's
it's
again
red
and
great
deal.
Bronco
orange
and
some
and
I
give
you
an
opportunity
to
just
see
how
this
varies
across
different
segments
of
the
overall
cities.
Population.
F
Again,
you
see
renters
more
likely
to
indicate
that
they're
a
concerned
or
great
deal
about
crime.
So
again
that
distinction
between
renters
and
folks
that
own
their
own
is
pretty
significant.
At
10
percentage
points,
you
see
a
relatively
lower
educated
members
of
the
community,
so
those
that
do
not
have
any
degree
or
credentials
right
much
more
likely
to
indicate
that
they
worry
about
crime.
A
great
deal
at
37
percent
relative
to
only
19
for
those
that
have
a
four-year
degree,
there's
also
differences
based
on
age
and
as
well
as
gender.
F
Racial
group
we
had
just
enough
to
to
break
out
differences,
for
are
the
Hispanic
population,
Native
Americans,
we're
very
close,
I
think
if
we
we
add
a
bit
to
that
with
the
open
link
we'll
be
able
to
share
breakouts
for
the
Native
American
population
as
well.
But
you
see
relative
to
why
it's
Hispanics
much
more
likely
to
indicate
they
are
worried
about
crime,
a
great
deal
at
37
relative
to
23
for
non-hispanic
wives,
important
variation
or
Nuance
to
perceive
safety.
You
see
in
this
question
we
ask
folks.
F
Is
there
a
difference
right
in
how
you
feel
about
utilizing
Open
Spaces
in
Santa
Fe,
whether
we're
talking
about
the
daytime
or
we're
talking
about
the
evening?
And
you
see
that
positively
most
respondents
feel
very
safe
about
the
community
during
the
day
right,
82
percent
overall
indicate
that
they
feel
safe
about
things
during
the
day
80
among
Hispanics
83
among
women
even
renters,
even
though
they're
they're
lower
at
73,
we
still
see
overwhelming
majority
indicate
during
the
daytime.
Things
are
great.
F
Unfortunately,
things
shift
significantly
when
we
cue
people
to
think
about
the
same
Open,
Spaces,
Parks
Trails,
the
plaza
Etc
during
the
evening.
You
see
higher
rates
of
individuals
indicating
that
they
don't
feel
very
safe,
that's
in
red.
Obviously,
if
you
haven't
caught
that
on
on
the
the
key
for
the
data
and
across
different
subgroups
of
the
population,
right
families
in
particular
those
with
kiddos
event,
55
indicating
that
they
don't
feel
safe,
right
sticks
out,
renters,
again
less
likely
to
feel
safe,
Etc,
but
I.
F
We
asked
folks
about
their
experiences
with
crime
specific
to
Santa
Fe.
So
you
see
we,
we
cued
this
in
terms
of
giving
them
very
recency
with
over
the
past
year
as
the
frame
and.
G
F
Folks,
have
you
ever
an
immediate
family
member
ever
been
a
victim
of
crime
that
occurred
specifically
in
Santa
Fe
I
mean
you
see
that
overall
13
of
individuals,
so
so
just
over
one
in
ten
of
respondents,
indicate
that
they
themselves
have
been,
unfortunately,
a
victim
of
a
crime.
You
add
to
that
another
21
who
indicate
that
immediate
family
member
has
is
essentially
right.
F
You
see
that
34,
so
just
over
a
third
of
residents
have
had
a
personal
connection
to
Crime
within
the
city,
specifically
over
the
past
year,
when
we
look
at
differences
based
on
on
different
demographics,
you
see
that
the
Hispanic
population
no
different
than
the
overall
13,
but
you
see
individuals
with
known
degrees,
slightly
higher
at
14
renters,
again
sticking.
F
17
4
percent,
more
likely
than
the
overall
population
to
be
personally
a
victim
of
a
crime,
an
18
percent
of
parents
with
kids
in
the
household
that
are
18
years
of
age
and
younger.
So
it
gives
you
an
indication
that,
unfortunately,
a
large
segment
of
the
population,
despite
their
demographic
profile,
they
themselves
have
been
a
victim
of
a
crime
or
had
an
immediate
family
member.
F
Who
has
we
asked
any
of
those
individuals
that
had
been
a
a
victim
of
a
crime
themselves
or
had
an
immediate
family
member
who
had
what
type
of
crime
did
you
experience,
and
you
see
that
property
crime
was
the
modal
category
of
57,
followed
by
violent
crime
at
25,
fraud,
identity
theft
or
another
Financial
crime
at
25
domestic
violence
at
23
I
highlight
for
you
that
women
were
five
percent
more
likely
to
be
a
victim
of
domestic
violence
than
the
overall
population.
Is
six
percent
more
likely
to
be
a
victim
of
property
crime?
F
So
we
looked
at
differences
across
the
demographics
agenda
was
one
where
we
saw
statistically
different
responses,
and
we
asked
any
of
these
individuals
right
that
have
been
a
victim
of
a
crime.
They
themselves
or
a
family
member
if
they
reported
the
crime
and
if
so,
were
they
satisfied
with
the
response
that
they
received
from
from
the
police
in
Santa
Fe,
you
see
40
of
individuals
who
are
a
victim
of
a
crime
indicated
that
the
support
they
received
from
police
when
reporting
a
crime.
F
They
were
satisfied
with
that
and
essentially
18
indicated
that
they
chose
not
to
report
the
crime
all
right.
So
again
you
see
we
did
a
pretty
good
job,
I
think
collectively,
as
a
team
trying
to
get
a
comprehensive
look
at
crime
experiences
and
as
well
as
you
know,
how
did
they
feel
about
the
response
that
they
ever
see
that
they
decided
to
report
it
as
a
crime?
F
We
all
know,
unfortunately,
gun
violence,
and
particularly
mass
shootings
are
becoming
more
and
more
common,
not
just
here
in
New
Mexico
or
in
Santa
Fe
but
nationally.
So
we
wanted
to
get
some
sense
of
how
community
members
in
Santa
Fe
are
reacting
to
this,
and
you
see
that
when
asked
how
important
do
you
think
it
is
for
the
City
of
Santa
Fe,
specifically
to
take
more
aggressive
steps
to
reduce
gun
violence
in
our
community?
You
see
overwhelming
right.
F
Percentages
of
the
population
indicate
that
this
is
very
important
or
important,
whether
we're
breaking
this
out
by
parents
and
families
in
green,
the
Hispanic
population
in
orange
or
the
overall
total.
You
see
the
same
story,
high
level
of
support
and
perceived
importance
to
take
more
aggressive
steps
to
reduce
gun
violence
in
the
community.
F
Statistic
obviously,
is
the
high
level
of
concern
that
parents
have
that
their
children
could
become
a
victim
of
a
mass
shooting.
So
here's
specifically
giving
you
the
kids
in
household
outcome
data
you
see
that
29
are
very
concerned,
22
percent
moderately
concerned
and
another
14
slightly
concerned.
So
you.
F
F
We
wanted
to
get
some
indication
of
whether
or
not
right
people
feel
comfortable
calling
the
police
and
the
fire
department
in
an
emergency,
and
you
see
that
when
we
ask
folks
are
they
very
comfortable,
somewhat
comfortable,
somewhat
uncomfortable
or
very
uncomfortable?
You
see
that
Latinos
or
Hispanics
are
less
likely
to
feel
comfortable
making
those
calls
to
police
or
fire
department,
and
we
think
one
of
the
reasons
for
this
is
nearly
one
in
five
or
eighteen
percent
of
Latinos.
F
In
the
survey
when
asked,
if
they
or
a
household
member
has
been
treated
unfairly
by
law
enforcement
due
to
their
ethnicity,
you
see
that
number
is
higher
for
the
Hispanic
population
at
18
than
it
is
for
the
overall
population
at
10..
So
we
think
that
partially
explains
why
the
Hispanic
community,
in
particular,
might
be
less
comfortable,
making
a
phone
call
at
the
police
or
fire
department,
specifically
in
an
emergency
right.
F
So
again
you
never
want
to
see
that
you'd
hope
folks
feel
comfortable,
especially
in
the
context
of
an
emergency
being
able
to
pick
up
the
phone
and
making
that
phone
call.
But
the
fact
that
you
do
see
not
strong
Comfort
across
the
board
right
gives
you
some
indication
that
there's
work
to
be
done
in
that
area.
F
Finally,
looking
at
some
public
policy
preferences
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
the
community
feels
could
be
done
in
terms
of
Reform
to
address
some
of
the
issues
that
I've
raised
in
the
data
from
the
survey-
and
here
we
ask
folks
who
do
you
think
would
be
best
at
addressing
each
of
the
following
situations
that
might
come
up
here
in
Santa
Fe
right
and
we
were
asking
folks:
do
you
think
police
or
law
enforcement
or
First
Responders,
who
might
not
be
Law
Enforcement
Officers,
but
are
specifically
trained
to
address
non-emergency
situations
right,
so
obviously
we're
trying
to
get
some
semblance
of
whether
or
not
people
feel
it
might
be
more
efficient
and
potentially
de-escalate
situations.
F
If
we're
talking
about
low
risk
calls
involving
members
of
the
community
struggling
with
mental
health
challenges
at
66
percent
or
low
risk
calls
involving
members
of
the
community
dealing
with
addiction
issues
at
62
percent
or
low
risk
calls
involving
homeless
community
members
is
65.
So
I
like
to
see
data
points
like
this,
where
not
everything
is
trending
in
the
same
direction,
because
it
gives
us
an
indication
that
respondents
were
taking
the
question
seriously
and
they
actually
have
differences
of
opinion
depending
on
how
you
frame
it.
F
So
when
it
comes
to
fast
passing
or
property
crime,
noise
complaints
folks
want
to
see
the
police
or
law
enforcement,
but
across
these
other
kind
of
low
priority
or
low
risk
calls
definitely
support
to
seeing
non-police
be
employed
to
address
some
of
those
situations.
F
Finally,
many
respondents
believe
strongly
in
Rehabilitation
as
an
approach
to
try
to
address
crime
in
the
community,
so
whether
we
framed
it
in
terms
of
which
statement
do
you
agree
with
more
you
see,
49
the
majority
in
this
context
of
respondents
identified
with
the
statement.
People
who
have
committed
serious
crimes
can
turn
their
lives
around
with
the
right
kind
of
help
right.
F
To
services
and
programming-
and
they
can
turn
their
lives
around
relative
to
39,
who
indicate
people
who
have
committed
serious
crimes
or
a
danger
to
society
and
unlikely
to
change.
So
when
we
frame
it
that
way,
you
see
stronger
support
for
the
rehabilitation
approach.
I
mean
we
ask
folks
which
do
you
think
would
be
more
effective
at
preventing
people
convicted
of
crimes
from
committing
more
crime
after
they
have
been
released
from
jail,
overwhelming
at
68
support
for
providing
rehabilitation,
services
and
training.
F
So
they
can
re-enter
society
and
become
productive
citizens
right
much
greater
than
the
23
who
indicate
that
you
should
make
jail.
Probation
is
hard
and
unpleasant
as
possible,
so
folks
are
essentially
afraid
to
go
back
right.
So
you
see
strong
support
for
more
Rehabilitation
oriented
approaches
to
addressing
crime
within
the
city.
F
F
This
will
be
the
last
slide
that
I
share
with
you
before
I
pause
for
questions.
All
right.
We
asked
folks
if
you
knew
making
reforms
to
lower
the
the
jail
or
incarcerated
rates,
or
population
meant
some
people
charged
with
non-violent
offenses
would
go
to
Rehabilitation
programs
to
address
their
mental
illness
or
addictions
instead
of
going
to
jail.
F
Health
programs
focused
on
rehabilitating
people
who
have
committed
crime,
but
75
suggests
that
police
officers
should
focus
more
time
and
resources
on
violent
crime,
serious
property
crime,
not
taking
calls
about
homeless
people
or
those
struggling
with
addiction.
Again,
remember
that
lined
up
almost
perfectly
with
the
earlier
question,
when
we
ask
folks
who
should
show
up
for
calls
related
to
some
of
these
low-risk
situations.
You
saw
again
that
folks
wanted
to
see
less
law
enforcement,
more
trained,
non-law
enforcement
Personnel
showing
up
for
those
calls,
which
you
know.
F
67
percent
of
folks
indicating
that
our
Criminal
Justice
System
needs
to
be
rooted
in
our
value
values
and
our
faith
and
preserve
the
principle
that
no
one
is
beyond
the
possibility
of
regret
forgiveness
and
turning
their
life
around.
So
you
see
City
residents
very
compassionate,
very
connected
to
other
members
of
their
community
and
I
think.
Hopefully
this
gives
you
a
pretty
good
idea
of
what
we
found
so
far
in
the
very
first
phase
of
the
research.
Again,
a
lot
more
to
come.
F
G
A
Thank
you,
Dr
Sanchez,
I
kind
of
lost
you
at
the
beginning.
Can
you
start
over
again.
E
A
Definitely
do
we
have
questions,
let's
go
to
committee
Members,
First
I
can't
see
everyone's
hands
with
ledia
and
Renee.
So
if
you
can
help
me
out.
D
Thanks
Gabe
amazing,
really
important
I
have
just
a
quick
comment
and
then
I
have
a
question.
I
was
just
really
struck
by
that
people
said
they
were
a
victim
of
crime
and
that
fit
just
close
to
50.
Those
were
violent
crimes
because
I
think
it
was
between
domestic
violence
and
violent
crime.
If
I
remember
that
correctly,
and
just
that
was
really
striking
to
me.
So
my
second
question
actually
is
on
the
heels
of
that
of
victims
of
crime.
D
You
had
shared
sort
of
folks
opinions
around
Rehabilitation
and
I
was
curious.
Whether
you
knew
what
percentage
of
folks
who
really
did
believe
in
Rehabilitation
also
were
victims
of
crime,
because
I
think
that
is
really
important.
I
know
you've
done
some
work
for
some
of
us
in
the
space
on
that
to
show
that
actually
even
victims
of
crime
are
supportive
of
alternatives
to
incarceration
or
supportive
Rehabilitation.
You
may
not
have
that
data,
but
I
was
just
curious
if
you
knew
how
that
split
out.
F
Folks
might
want
to
see
the
one
thing
that
I
gotta
check
and
that's
the
the
bummer,
sometimes
with
the
responses
you
get.
I've
got
to
make
sure
right
that
when
we
ask
folks
like
have
they
been
a
victim
of
crime
that
that
number
is
big
enough
to
actually
do
breakouts.
That
are
you.
F
So
if,
if
we
found,
let
me
pull
the
number
like
if
13
percent
of
let's
say
the
third,
the
300
respondents
indicate
they
themselves
have
been
Crime
Victims.
That
might
be
a
little
bit
smaller
to
do
a
lot
of
breakouts,
but
I
can
at
least
tell
you
like
that.
Folks,
who
indicated
they've
been
a
victim
of
a
crime,
have
different
opinions
regarding
to
rehab
approaches
that
I
can
definitely
do
so.
F
I'll
put
a
note
to
myself
the
other
thing
that
I
didn't
check,
but
I
can
is
to
look
at
the
the
last
Statewide
survey.
That
I
did
where
we
asked
folks
these
these
victim
of
crime
questions
just
to
give
you
an
idea
how
to
Santa
Fe,
compare
right
with
with
the
rest
of
the
state,
so
I'll
look
to
see
if
I
have
something
recent
enough
to
make
that
comparison.
A
Any
other
questions.
I
Yeah,
thank
you.
This
has
been
great.
I
did
not
I've
been
looking
combing
through
my
emails
right
now
and
for
some
reason
I
don't
have
the
slide
deck,
and
so
you
might
have
done
this
at
the
beginning.
But
can
you
give
us
a
sense
of
Spanish
speakers
and
then
also
pulling
data
for
Spanish
speakers,
people
who
feel
more
comfortable
in
Spanish
responding?
F
Follow
me
on
this
I
want
to
say:
eight
percent
took
the
survey
in
Spanish,
so
what
eight
percent
of
300
right,
not
huge,
but
I
think
is-
is
useful
to
be
able
to
see
by
the
Spanish
speakers.
I
know,
I,
remember
looking
at
the
data
and
not
did
not
see
major
differences
between
the
the
Spanish
respondents
and
and
those
from
the
rest
of
the
sample.
But
I'll
do
I'll.
Ask
Jordan
too,
to
take
another
set
of
eyes
on
that
and
just
look
through
the
data
to
see.
F
If
there's
any
good
examples,
we
can
pull
out
to
make
that
point
because,
obviously
Marshall
you
know
I
like
to
be
able
to
show
off
that.
If
we
do
the
added
step
of
having
everything
translated,
we
want
to
show
where
it
matters
and
so
I'll
see.
If
there's
some
some
data
points
that
we
can
add
in
there.
That
would
be
one
group
of
people
when
we
think
about
the
Open,
Access,
Link
and
and
the
focus
groups
that
we
might
want
to
specifically
address.
E
F
Probably
solid,
but
obviously
right
if
we
have
some
unique
perspectives
from
that
population,
with
the
other
faces
of
the
project
I'd
be
using.
I
And
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
I
think
will
be
helpful
is
with
the
open
link
we
can
do
you
know
we
can
do
as
many
as
we
want
right.
We
can
do
a
hundred
and
you
will
be
able
to
utilize
that
information
both
separately
from
this
random
sampling,
as
well
as
a
part
of
the
random
sampling.
Right
so
say
we
were
to
get
a
hundred
of
Spanish
speakers.
Young
people
formerly
incarcerated
through
our
organizational
networks.
F
Yeah
I
I
took
to
my
colleague
Matt
beretto
about
this.
When
we
were
designing
the
project-
and
he
said
essentially,
we
you
all
should
expect
at
the
end
of
the
road
when
we're
all
finished
with
the
survey
component
is
you'll,
get
like
that
Top
Line
set
of
results
that
I
gave
you.
It
shows
the
percentage
for
for
every
single
question.
You'll
get
a
row
that
says
overall
percentage.
F
It
has
all
the
data
combined,
the
Open
Access
Link
and
these
300
folks,
but
then
you'll
get
a
row
of
just
the
300
collected
by
bsp
and
a
row
of
the
Open
Access
Link.
So
you
can
see
any
potential
differences
and
just
to
give
you
some
indication
of
why
that
Open,
Access
Link,
specifically
hitting
hard
to
reach
population,
is
so
important.
We
had
that
question
on
here.
You
know:
have
you
yourself
right,
served
I,
forget
the
exact
wording,
so
paraphrasing
here
serve
time
or
are
you
on
probation
or
parole?
We
got
zero.
I
F
You
on
the
open
link,
it's
the
same,
so
you
can
start
spreading
it
out.
I'll
check
it
I
check
it
almost
every
day
to
make
sure
it's
working.
So
if
y'all
like
send
a
blast
of
these
out,
somebody
give
me
a
heads
up,
because
if
I
don't
see
a
large
number
of
completes
come
in
that
day,
I'll
know
something's
funky
in
the
system,
but
same
link
should
still
be
live
so
so
feel
free
to
start
busting
that
out
as
as
needed.
Let
me
know
what
you
need
from
us
to
help
facilitate
that,
if
anything.
H
Renee
I
see
Kira's
hand
up
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
This
was
so
helpful
to
really
just
dissect
some
of
the
things
that
were
part
of
the
survey
and
I
actually
the
when
I,
when
I
was
when
we
were
going
through.
It
I
actually
think
it'll
really
help
director
Ochoa's
and
Julie
Sanchez's
office,
because
then
it
also
captures
another
aspect
of
our
work
in
terms
of
services
and
what's
working
and
what
what
are
the
concerns?
H
I
mean
we
kind
of
already
know
that,
but
this
confirms
that
and
so
I
guess.
That
was
really
just
my
comment
that
there's
other
data
points
that
will
be
helpful
for
our
staff
in
community
health
and
safety
department,
because
it's
kind
of
all-encompassing-
and
that
was
the
point-
is
to
not
just
focus
on
crime
and
all
these
other
aspects
of
of.
G
H
Safety,
but
also
like
what
Public
Safety
means
from
like
a
holistic
point
of
view
and
how
people
feel
more
safe
when
they
have
housing.
When
they
don't
see,
you
know
people
aren't
experiencing
homelessness
Etc.
So
that
was
really
just
my
comment
and
I
have
so
many
like
questions
like
how
do
you
dissect,
This
and
like
how
does
this
all
come
together?
Really
so
I
guess
the
one
thing
I
did
want
to
ask
is:
how
did
the
interviewers
introduce
themselves?
Did
they
say
this?
H
F
Me
see
if
I
have
that
the
actual
survey
instrument
on
this
computer
and
I'll
pull
it
up
before
we
finish
up
and
and
double
check
this,
but
I'm
almost
positive.
Our
frames
always
start
with.
You
know
we're
contacting
you
from
an
independent
research,
firm
looking
to
get
your
opinions
about
different
issues
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
so
I
don't
think
that
we
specifically
named
like
you
know.
This
is
for
the
City
of
Santa
Fe.
F
So
that's
something
and
along
the
way,
councilor
I
remember
sending
an
email
about
the
Open,
Access
Link
and
asking.
How
do
you
want
to
think
about
framing
that
I'll
say
that
when
I've
done
this
in
the
past
for
cities
of
the
state,
they
usually
want
to
put
that
on
their
website
and
like
frame
it
as
like.
This
is
ours.
So
y'all,
you
know
want
to
think
a
little
bit
about
that,
because
it
obviously
could
impact
how
people
think
about
the
survey.
F
H
Right,
okay,
I'm
just
curious,
also
in
your
experiences.
If
more
people
are
more
apt
to
respond
openly,
if
they
know
it's
just
an
independent
group
versus
like
oh,
this
is
commissioned
by
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
or
like
an
actual
jurisdiction.
Do
you
have
any
info
on
that.
F
F
Depending
on
the
the
content,
this
might
differ
a
little
bit
on
this.
This
particular
survey
probably
saying
an
independent
research
firm
right.
If
you
just
think
about
it
and
you're,
asking
hey
we're
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
how
do
you
rate
our
service
provision
right
like
it's?
It's
a
funky
thing
to
ask
people
like
I'm
the
city.
F
Please
tell
me
how
great
I'm
doing
right
it
just
seems
a
little
bit
like
it
could
lead
to
a
little
bit
more
bias
and
if
it
was
an
independent
entity,
I
will
tell
you,
like
my
my
humble
experience
and
opinion
on
this.
Is
the
city
of
Albuquerque's
long
time
ago,
under
a
different
Administration
asked
me
to
do
a
very
similar
project
where,
in
my
opinion,
they
went
wrong
is
at
the
very
end
of
this.
F
F
Whatever
happened
with
the
data
and
I
know
that
left
a
very
bad
feeling
for
community
members,
because
there
was
no
like
follow-up
or
anything
from
that,
and
so
I
would
advise
you,
even
if
you
don't
like
put
this
on
the
city
website,
eventually
right,
post
the
results
somewhere,
so
that
folks,
who
did
take
the
survey
right
or
did
participate
in
focus
groups,
can
see
that
this
was
actually
actioned
on
I
just
picked
on
the
City
of
Albuquerque,
because
that's
fresh
of
my
memory,
but
a
lot
of
folks.
F
F
I,
don't
think
we
tracked
zip
code,
but
we
did
ask
folks
which
city
council
District
that
they
live
in
I.
F
H
Yes,
it
does
yeah.
Thank
you,
I'm
gonna
I
know
you
have
another
meeting
back
to
Sanchez,
so
I'll.
Let
director
Ochoa
jump
on.
G
Thank
you
councilman.
Thank
you
so
much
Dr
Sanchez
for
this.
It
is
going
to
be
incredibly
helpful
to
us
in
community
health
and
safety.
I,
have
sort
of
a
question
comment
and
then
a
couple
clarifying
questions,
and
if
we
don't
have
time,
I
can
also
follow
up
just
when
I
have
more
time
to
sink
in.
G
First
of
all,
just
want
to
say
how
much
I
am
struck
by
and
appreciate
the
context
of
people's
concerns
about
their
own,
affordable
housing,
Economic
Security
and
that
kind
of
free
and
homelessness
right,
because
we
started
the
conversation
tonight
informally
a
little
bit
about
the
city's
participation
and
the
built
for
zero
movement
to
end
homelessness
and
how
homelessness
is
very
much
a
canary
in
the
mind
indicator
for
a
community
well-being
overall,
especially
around
Economic
Security,
housing,
security
and
Equity.
G
So
it'll
be
really
interesting
to
see,
and
we
welcome
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force
recommendations.
Around
sort
of
you
know
taking
a
very
holistic
approach
that
goes
beyond
just
you
know
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
direct
service
about
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
affordable
housing.
So
that's
a
bit
of
a
soapbox
comment,
but
looking
forward
to
you
know
more
recommendations
and
and
holistic
approach
to
those
things
question
about
sort
of.
G
Do
you
all
have
a
Target
for
how
many
respondents
you'd
like
to
have
for
it
to
feel
really
robust
and
for
you
to
be
able
to
do
those
sort
of
you
know
slices
of
specific
Community
member
experiences.
So
that's
one
question
and
then
I
had
a
question.
Forgive
us.
We
have
a
new
puppy
in
the
house.
So
if
you
can
hear
that
that's
what
that
is.
I
was
curious
around
the
question
about
people's
experience
with
police
response
and
how
that
question
was
framed.
G
I
just
wondered
if
we
could
revisit
that,
so
I
could
see
it
for
my
clarification
and
then
on
the
question
where
people
responded
where
Hispanic
people
were
less
likely
to
be
happy
with
police
response
was
just
curious.
How
many
people
within
that
300
respondents
that
represented
that
response
represented
so
I
hope
those
questions
made
sense.
Yeah.
F
I
I
tracked
them
a
couple
of
them
I'm
going
to
have
to
look
up
the
last
one
like
on
how
many
people
I
got
to
remind
myself
what
percentage
of
the
overall
sample
was
Hispanic,
but
I'll
follow
up
with
some
of
these
questions
or
feel
free
to
email
me.
F
Anybody,
if
you
have
other
specifics
after
you've,
looked
at
the
deck
and
I'll
I'll
get
a
set
of
responses
back
to
folks,
but
I
think
one
thing
that
your
first
question
or
suggestion
reminded
me
is
in
the
full
report,
one
of
the
things
that
I
promised
you
and
the
scope
of
work
I
would
do
or
at
some
point
along
the
way
when
somebody
asked
I
promised
I
would
pull
other
data
that
we've
collected
out
of
my
shop,
that's
specific
to
Santa
Fe
and
one
thing
on
homelessness
that
that
was
a
recent
project.
F
I
did
for
home-wise
specific
to
the
city
of
Santa
Fe,
a
small
survey
and
a
handful
of
focus
groups
and
interviews.
That
was
the
number
one
issue
was
affordable,
housing
and
homelessness
there
as
well,
and
we
hurt
a
lot
in
terms
of
the
focus
groups,
folks,
basically
saying
that
they
perceive
that
the
rise
in
homeless
population
has
been
highly
correlated
with
the
rhyme,
the
rise
in
crime
and
transient
population
bringing
crime
with
them.
So.
F
F
Points
and
have
a
little
bit
of
a
summary
to
give
you
an
idea
of
like
okay.
How
does
what
we
found
here?
Compare
with
what
we've
seen
statewide
right
some
cases
I
can
show
you
Statewide
relative
to
Santa
Fe
if
I've
got
a
large
enough
overall
state
survey,
but
we've
asked
some
similar
questions,
so
I'll
make
sure
you
get
that
in
the
final
report
at
the
end
of
the
rainbow
when
we're
all
done
with
data
collection.
Your
second
question
on:
what's
our
Target?
That's
a
that's
a
hard
one
to
say
right,
like
in
survey.
F
Space,
bigger
samples
are
always
perceived
to
be
better
for
two
two
reasons:
one
is
it
decreases
that
standard
error
that
I
showed
at
the
beginning,
I
think
like
for
300
I'll,
pull
that
back
up
again,
I,
think
the
margin
of
error
was
5.6.
So
all
that
means
is
on
any
percentage
that
I
show
you
55
of
people
say
something
right.
That
means
that
5.6
means
that
could
be
61
percent
of
that
could
be
45.,
so
you've
got
the
range,
so
the
bigger
the
number
we
get
a
respondents
that
number
shrinks,
but
it's
not
groundbreaking
like.
F
If
we
go
from
5.6
at
300
to
like
four
percent
with
a
thousand,
so
it's
not
like
huge
earth-shattering
differences
where
I
like
to
see
higher
numbers
is
the
ability
to
break
out
some
of
these
categories,
so
Marcellus
question
about
Spanish-speaking
respondents
or
foreign-born
immigrant
respondents
or
any
of
the
racial
and
ethnic
groups
that
you
didn't
see
right.
If
we
can
get
closer
to
75
of
those
individual
groups,
I
feel
more
comfortable
and
confident
breaking
them
out.
Because
of
this
not
like
10
people
right,
it
could
be.
F
You
know,
unfortunately,
exaggerating
or
undercutting
the
reality
for
that
particular
demographic
group
with
that
smaller
number
of
people
I
think
if
we
can
hit
an
overall
Target
of
500
I'd,
be
very
happy
right.
500
seems
to
be
for
a
city
survey,
pretty
robust
right.
Even
300
is
strong
for
a
city
the
size
of
Santa
Fe,
but
if
we
can
get
to
500
I
think
that
generally
right
people
here
sample
size
of
500
they're
used
to
seeing
that
in
Albuquerque
Journal
poll
Etc,
so
500
to
me
seems
like
at
a
good
level.
G
Thanks,
that's
sorry,
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
time,
but
thanks
for
that
commitment
to
bring
in
other
data
and
other
surveys,
you
know
perception
of
crime
is
always
an
interesting
one,
because
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
crime
data
nationally,
it's
decreased
radically
over
the
years
and
yet
the
the
perception
of
crime
danger
has
increased,
and
so
it
would
be
neat
to
if
there's
a
way
to
incorporate
the
actual
facts
according
to
crime
rates
in
terms
of
and
sort
of,
you
know
compare
or
note
that
in
the
report
perception
of
doesn't
mean
you
know
it
is
true.
G
It's
certainly
a
concern
that
people
are
perceived
perceiving
not
and
any
crime
is
not
acceptable,
but
you
know
what
is
what
is
the
reality
based
on
compared
to
the
perception
is
an
interesting
I
think
if,
if
that's
appropriate,
to
include
I'd
be
interested
in
that
yeah.
F
F
With
the
response
that
they
got
from
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
if
they
reported
the
crime,
one
of
the
reasons
I
put
that
question
in
there
is
it
gives
you
an
indication
that
18
of
folks
said
they
never
reported
the
crime
right.
So
that's
one
of
the
ways
for
a
social
scientists
like
myself,
well
I'm,
trying
to
make
sense
of
you
know
whether
it's
FBI
data
APD
data,
City
of
Santa
Fe
data
on
actual
crime
rates,
that's
always
dependent
on
right
people
reporting
the
crime.
So.
F
Are
of
the
quote-unquote
real
numbers
are
under
count.
Our
estimate
is
going
to
be
right
now,
I'd
say
by
18
right,
but
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
try
to
sneak
some
of
those
questions
in
there,
because
it
gives
you
some
useful
information
about
broader
things
than
just
this
project.
Hopefully,
some
of
that's
helpful.
F
A
Sanchez,
just
real
quick
on
the
18
of
why
crimes
were
not
reported.
Do
we
know
why.
F
F
I
can
go
on
the
raw
data
and
see
if
I
can
cross
tab
that
18
with
any
of
the
other
measures
to
give
us
at
least
some
indication
of
like
are
those
people
more
or
less
likely
to
be
renters
young
people,
men
versus
women
I
can
at
least
do
that
to
give
us
some
indication
of
who
those
folks
are
yeah.
A
Well,
I've
heard
some
people
that
have
said
that
they
don't
feel
like
they're
going
to
get
a
response
in
a
timely
manner.
So
that's
why
they
don't
even
call
in
the
first
place,
but
that
may
be
something
different,
but
real,
quick
on
the
Open,
Access
and
I.
Think
Marcela
put
something
on
this
in
the
chat.
Is
that
open
to
everybody
or
just
specific
groups
that
are
that
we're
targeting
that
are
I?
Don't
know
what
you
said:
Marcela
in
your
chat,
maybe
you
can
jump
in,
but
I.
I
Think
hard
to
reach
group
so
I
think
that's
the
thing
we
get
to
decide.
We
don't
have
to
publish
this.
This
was
such
a
great
300
people
with
such
a
great
random
sample.
So
these
were
just
random
people
in
Santa
Fe
that
were
being
called
by
bsp
but
are
hard
to
reach.
We.
We
can
use
our
open
link
for
the
hard
to
reach
populations
that
may
not
participate
in
a
20-minute
survey
on
the
phone
with
bsp.
F
Yeah
totally
your
collected
decision
to
make,
if
you
you
decide
to
do
it
widely
or
less
widely
and
narrowly
focused
and
targeted.
That's
totally
your
collected
decision,
I
will
say:
I
looked
at
my
notes
in
prep
for
the
meeting
very
back
at
the
beginning,
when
we
were
just
designing
out
the
scope
of
this
I
actually
pulled
up
that
slide
deck
so
I'm
on
myself.
What
I?
F
What
I
told
you
all
the
way
back
when
we
were
just
talking
about
the
project
and
even
going
all
the
way
back,
then
we
always
talked
about
it
as
feeling
gaps
with
hard
to
reach
populations.
So
if
that's
useful
for
you
all,
that's
how
we
designed
it,
but
it's
totally
your
call
right
that
link
could
be
spread
out
to
a
bunch
of
people
or
less.
F
The
only
thing
that
it
impacts
is
the
incentives
we
give
folks
we
do
a
raffle
and
I
think
I've
got
it
for
every
I
forget
if
it's
10
or
20
completes
that
we
get.
We
raffle
off
an
item
so.
I
I
had
a
question
about
perception
that
there
seemed
to
be
a
difference
in
perception
about
police
being
able
to
respond
to
and
police
services
versus
emergency
services
and
fire,
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
folks
from
the
fire
department
and
EMTs
talking
about
their
lack
of
resources.
Etc,
and
so
can
you
just
comment
on
that
because
it
seemed
like
there
was
really
high
satisfaction
with
the
service
that
fire
and
and
emergency
services
are
giving
if
we
separate
them
out
from
police.
F
And
you
see
that
when
we
we
break
this
out
across
a
number
of
different
folks,
you
see
fire
department
response
was
rated
the
most
positively
at
65
who
who
think
those
are?
Are
they
even
say
rated
as
good
64
for
ambulance
responses?
And
then
you
see
down
police
response
34,
so
pretty
significant
difference
right
65
for
fire,
64
for
ambulance
response
down
to
34
for
police
and
I
will
say
right
like
on
any
survey.
F
We
conduct
that's
asking
about
trusted
Messengers,
so
whether
we're
asking
people
trusted
messages
to
get
the
vaccine
or
trusted
Messengers
to
vote
and
almost
every
survey,
whether
it's
in
New,
Mexico
or
nationally,
fire
departments
come
outrated
very,
very
high,
as
trusted
Messengers.
So
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
that
speaks
to
what
you're
seeing
on
the
ground
in
Santa
Fe
relative
to
police,
but
fire
Personnel
always
are
perceived
positively
in
just
about
any
survey.
I've
conducted
foreign.
I
I
F
And
you
know
Marcella
and
others
that
have
ever
worked
with
me
on
surveys
now
sometimes.
G
F
Put
a
question
like
that
in
front
of
people,
and
it's
like
70
of
people
say
yes
to
all
of
them.
This
survey
I
like
a
lot
because
there's
huge
variation
right
people
are
giving
you
distinct
differences
right
based
on
Fire,
Department
police
trash
education.
There's,
like
you,
can
tell
people
answer
these
questions
accurately,
where
sometimes
I'm
kind
of
bummed.
F
If
I
I
show
you,
everybody
supports
everything
right
because
then
I
can
tell
how
useful
is
that
for
data,
but
I
feel
very
confident
that
you
all
can
say
this
survey
right
gives
us
important
variation,
because
in
a
lot
of
these
different
dimensions,
you
saw
you
know
not
wildly
different,
but
important.
Differences
were
made
by
respondents.
A
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
in
this
that
police
probably
has
a
hundred
thousand
calls
a
year
versus
probably
20
000
for
for
fire
and
EMS,
and
fire
and
ambulance
are
one
one
Department
versus
PD,
which
is
a
single
department.
So
you
know
you
may
have
a
motor
vehicle
accident
that
a
fire
engine
responds
to
First
and
that's
a
quick
response,
but
it's
included
with
the
ambulance
part
of
the
fire
department.
So
keep
those
in
mind
if
that
made
any
sense.
Yeah.
F
H
Director
Ochoa
has
her
hand
up
I,
know
Gabe.
You
have
to
go,
though
I'll.
G
Dr
Dr
Sanchez.
Actually
this
is
more
of
a
comment
on
that
question,
and
so
it's
not
really
a
question
for
you,
but
just
thank
you
again
for
what
for
your
work.
F
I
appreciate
everybody's
thoughts,
all
of
your
input
that
went
into
the
questions
right
and
getting
all
that
input
you
saw
help
lead
to
what
I
think
is
a
very
successful
first
phase
of
the
project.
So
thank
all
of
you
for
your
energy,
your
wisdom,
as
we
design
this
and
so
far
so
good
right
now
now
we
just
got
to
keep
pushing.
A
Dr
Sanchez
real,
quick
before
you
leave,
did
Julie.
Send
you
some
people
to
talk
to
you
about
the
Open
Access
unless.
F
F
Follow
up
with
her,
though,
later
tonight
or
tomorrow
morning,
now
that
we're,
through
with
this
first
phase,
I,
want
to
start
getting
Recruitment
and
all
that
movement
for
the
qualitative
work,
so
I'll
I'll
follow
up
with
her
tomorrow.
If
I
don't
do
so
tonight,
awesome.
E
G
Yes,
I.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
counselor.
It's
sort
of
to
your
point
Thank
you,
for
you
know
that
Nuance
around
numbers
of
calls
for
police
versus
fire
fire
is
able
to
send
an
engine.
Maybe
the
paramedics
come
later,
but
at
least
there's
an
EMT
on
scene,
but
I
did
want
to
sort
of
note
that
the
the
were
you
satisfied
with
the
response.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
nuance
within
that
in
terms
of
answer,
so
I
hope
that
the
qualitative
part
of
this
work
can
get
at
that
a
little
bit.
G
You
know
we
know
that
police
can't
respond
as
quickly
as
they
would
like
to
because
of
their
Staffing
levels,
but
is
are
people
not
satisfied
because
they
didn't
come
quickly?
Are
they
not
satisfied
when
they
came
with
how
they
responded?
You
know.
So
all
of
that
is
is
I.
Think
important
information
I
mean
would
be
for
me
if
that's
appropriate,
for
the
survey
to
get
out
a
little
more
deeply.
A
And
I
think
another
thing
is
we
we
want
and
I
think
police
does
a
lot
of
self-dispatching.
So
they'll
respond
to
things
that
may
look
out
of
out
of
sorts
and
and
they'll
go
check
it
out,
and
you
know
self-dispatch
themselves
to
things
and
really
fire
and
EMS
doesn't
do
that
they're
more
responsive
to
calls
that
come
in.
So
that's
another
nuanced.
A
What
may
be
part
of
those
numbers.
I
I
just
want
to
reiterate
how
important
Julie's
no
longer
on
the
call,
but
how
important
it
is:
councilor,
Rivera
and
counselor
Villarreal
that
we
are
reaching
hard
to
reach
populations
in
a
very
organized
fashion,
with
our
open
link
and
not
publishing
the
open
link
to
everyone.
I
Just
because
this
this
data
I
think
it
and
that's
why
I
asked
him
you
know:
can
we
segregate
this
data?
I
mean
this
data
won't
necessarily
be
a
part
of
the
300
survey,
which
was
much
more
random.
This
really
is
about
those
hard
to
reach
populations
and
there's
value
in
the
data
for
this
open
link
to
be
specifically
for
hard
to
reach
populations,
which
our
working
groups
can
really
work
to
fill
in.
I
So
I
say
that
only
I
want
to
reiterate
it,
because
you
mentioned
that
there
was
going
to
be
some
back
and
forth
with
him
and
I.
Just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
that
has
been
what
the
task
force
and
what
our
working
groups
who
sort
of
reached
out
to
Gabe
in
the
to
set
this
all
up
really
wanted
to
focus
on.
Is
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
getting
randomized
data
in
addition
to
hard
to
reach
data
and
so
I?
Please,
please
express
that.
A
Spoken
to
Julie,
because
I
know
we
had
talked
to
her
about
that.
So
I'll
follow
up
with
her
tomorrow
or
maybe
Kira
I
saw
her
put
a
thumbs
up
and
so
we'll
just
make
sure
that
happens.
G
Counselor,
just
for
clarification
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
really
understanding
this,
since
I
haven't
been
as
much
a
part
of
these
conversations
we
want.
You
all
want
the
open
link
specifically
to
go
out
to
populations
that
are
not
you
may
not
be
hearing
from,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
just
say:
oh
well,
you
know
300
out
of
300
people
a
random
survey.
Most
people
are
okay
with
everything
right
and
then
oh,
these
other
people
aren't
so
we're
not
as
concerned.
G
So
it's
it's
really
being
able
to
segregate
and
say:
okay,
general
population
we're
not
doing
too
badly
on
certain
indicators,
but
maybe
we
don't
know
what
the
results
are
yet.
But
you
know
if
we
really
Target
groups
that
we
really
want
to
make
sure
are
okay
in
terms
of
how
we're
serving
them
or
their
perceptions
that
that's
sort
of
cordoned
off.
Is
that
right?
G
G
C
That,
for
a
reason
or
yes
only
because
I
know
that
we
we
want
to
Target
that
population
and
so
I,
are
we
going
to
break
out
into
our
breakout
rooms.
H
H
If
you
think
it
would
be
helpful,
Mary
Louise
just
to
check
in
with
the
working
group
about
what
our
next
step,
what
your
next
steps
are
I'm
saying
the
other
working
group,
because
that
might
help
to
organize
what's
happening
next
and
I'm
not
going
to
get
involved.
But
I
am
very
curious.
Like
okay,
I
hope
you
all
have
this
kind
of
organized
plan
for
those
hard
to
reach
populations
and
and
I'm
just
relying
on
you
all
to
to
know.
What's
next
yeah.
B
A
Yeah
I
think
you're
right
I,
don't
have
co-host
abilities,
I,
don't
know
if
Renee,
if
she
gave
it
to
you.
J
G
Seems
to
have
it
I
do
and
I'm
searching
I'm
on
my
phone,
because
my
laptop
didn't
work
so
I'm
I'm
I'm
nervous
about
trying
to
create
breakout
groups
which
I've
only
done
once
on
a
real
computer,
not
a
phone,
so
I
apologize,
I,
don't
think
I
can
do
it.
Yeah.
A
Let's,
let's
get
through
the
rest
of
our
meeting
and
then
we'll
get
to
that
point,
but
any
Communications
from
you
Renee.
A
Yeah
I'm
good
as
well
I
was
just
anxious
to
hear
from
Gabe
so
I'm
glad
that
happened.
Communications
from
staff
valetia.
B
None
at
this
time
just
a
little
reminder
that
I've
been
putting
together
our
work
plan,
for
you
know
for
this
next
six
months
and
things
having
all
the
potentials
that
all
of
you
have
been
identifying
or
highlighting
throughout
these
months,
so
I'll
re-share
that
with
all
of
you
tomorrow,
just
so
that
you
can
revisit
alongside
with
the
meeting
minutes,
but
otherwise
don't
have
any
other
updates.
Thank
you.
A
Did
Gabe
send
you
his
slide
presentation.
B
A
H
Real
quick,
Chris
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
we
didn't
track
this
at
the
beginning
for
our
membership,
those
the
people
that
are
excused
are
Monica,
Alt,
Geno,
Zamora
and
and
Bruce
finger
is
with
us.
He
just
had
to
yeah
even
a
little
late,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
we
have
that.
A
A
Apologize
all
right,
I
think
we're
to
the
point
where
you
know
the
meeting
was
gonna
end
anyway,
Mary
Louise,
you
know
you're
welcome
to
give
me
a
call
or
I'm
sure,
Emily
or
Marcela
or
Monica.
Maybe
we
can
all
get
together
at
some
other
time.
If,
if
we
really
need
to
to
talk
about
next
steps
moving
forward
but
I
hate
to
try
to
move
into
breakouts
now
and
then
have
everybody
lost.
So
with
that
our
next
meeting
is
Tuesday
February
21st
did
you
have
something
else?
H
I
just
want
to
tell
the
folks
that
are
in
our
working
group
for
policies
and
practices
that
will
regroup
and,
and
maybe
just
let
me
know,
via
text
or
other
if
you
want
to
just
find
a
separate
meeting
time.
So
we
can
just
like
decide
what
what
information
we
still
might
need
and
then
what
we
can
move
forward
with.
A
Yeah,
maybe
with
our
group
Marcella,
maybe
we
can
I
know
you
guys
are
so
busy
with
legislature
I
hate
to
throw
another
thing
on
you
guys,
but
maybe
we
can
get
together
and
figure
out
what
we
want,
specifically
what
we,
the
groups
who
are
on
Gabe
to
reach
before
we
actually
get
to
that
point.
So
maybe
we
can
get
on
a
separate
email
or
text
message
to
try
to
figure
out
that
time.
I
That
sounds
great
I'm,
happy
to
you
know,
send
out
a
doodle
or
something
to
make
that
happen,
but
it
would
also
just
be
great.
You
know,
we've
already
been
talking
about
and
have
a
list
of
folks
that
we
want
to
reach
out
to
with
the
open
link,
but
for
group
for
people
who
are
not
a
part
of
our
working
group.
Please
send
ideas,
I
mean
there's
no
I
mean
the
more
the
merrier
if
you
all
are
connected
to.
I
H
Number
so
it's
good
to
know,
there's
also
four
room
members
that
used
to
be
on
our
task
force
that
were
interested
in
being
part
of
that
as
well.
J
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
Roberto
and
this
is
for
Marcella-
is
you're
you're,
pretty
specific
on
the
people
that
you
guys
want
to
reach
out
to
you.
Don't
want
just
anybody
suddenly
saying
oh
yeah
I
didn't
get
to
that
I'd
like
to
do
this
survey.
So
so
do
you
consider
young
people
to
be
hard
to
reach
or.
I
Yes,
we
do
consider
youth,
I'm,
sorry,
okay
and
Mary.
Louise
is
our
is
our
connect
on
that?
But
yes,
we
are.
We
we
consider
youth,
particularly
youth
of
color,
youth
of
color,
who
are
you
know
both
in
and
out
of
our
formal
education
system.
J
I
J
A
Definitely,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
All
I
appreciate
you
so
much
you
guys
are
so
awesome.
I,
just
love
working
with
all
of
you
and
I
think
our
work
here
is
so
important
and
good
things
are
going
to
come
of
it
I'm
sure
of
it.
So
thank
you
all
our
next
meeting,
Tuesday
February
21st.
C
A
J
B
Team
do
either
of
you
know,
have
the
option
to
stop
the
recording,
because
I.