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A
Good
evening,
everyone
and
welcome
we're
going
to
do
a
quick
roll
call.
We've
got
emily
monica
mary,
louise
bruce
and
her
co-chairs
renee
and
chris
and
gino
and
annie
are
excused
this
evening
did.
Did
I
miss
anybody,
sounds
like
we're
good,
okay,
great
and
so
we'll
start
with
communications
from
our
co-chairs.
C
Hey
everyone,
thanks
for
the
adjustments
I
my
internet
went
down
at
the
office
and
I
was
like
oh
my
gosh,
so
I
had
to
rush
home
so
glad
to
be
here
with
you
all.
I
think
the
only
thing
is:
there's
no
updates
right
now
that
I've
heard
from
dr
sanchez,
which
just
to
clarify
valeria,
he
doesn't
work
for
the
unm
like
he
works
for
a
the
policy
group,
but
he
doesn't
control
the
contract
process.
C
I
think
in
the
message
in
your
notes
it
made
it
sound
like
he
was
part
of
that,
but
he's
waiting
as
well
to
find
out
when
unm
finishes
the
contract
review
and
when
it
makes
it
over
to
us
back
to
the
city.
So
I
haven't
heard
any
updates
since
the
last
correspondence
and
then
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
update
is
for
friday's
meeting,
but
I'll
wait
till
the
working
group
updates.
C
I
show
that
and
the
other
thing
is
I'm
sure
you
all
know
that
our
budget,
our
budget
passed,
there's
a
lot
of
good
things
in
there
and
there
was
a
lot
of
things
that
I
didn't
feel
like
were
expensive
enough
and
where
we
needed
to
target
our
focus
of
funds.
C
So,
as
you
know,
I
think
we
talked
about
last
time.
The
police
got
a
16
increase,
15
000,
signing
bonus
and
750
000
down
payment
assistance
for
just
emergency
responders
and
chris,
and
I
were
trying
to
expand
that
to
all
staff
people.
It
would
qualify,
income,
qualified
staff,
people
and
we
were
rejected
by
various
people.
But
the
mayor
didn't
want
to
make
any
adjustments
so
we're
going
to
keep
pushing
for
that.
C
As
we
look
at
the
mid-year
point
and
look
at
the
budget
and
see
where
we're
at
and
by
then,
hopefully,
we'll
have
an
audit
so
that
we
can
actually
see
and
know
where
our
expenses
and
revenues
are
coming
from
and
just
making
sure
that
we're
on
track
with
that
and
then
also
just
the
other
increases.
Everyone
else
got
eight
percent,
with
the
exception
of
pd,
and
so
I
don't
know,
if
was
there
anything
else
chris,
you
wanted
to
add
about
that
in
terms
of
the
budget.
B
I
think,
did
you
already
talk
about
the
fire
department
in
requesting
more
training
and
and
personnel
to
support
the
aru.
B
That's
their
that's
their
kind
of
one.
B
Their
big
asks
they
got
an
eight
percent
and
sort
of
asked
me,
but
public
safety,
I
think,
got
eight
and
then
police
got
the
larger
amount,
and
I
think
it
was
a
little
ironic
that
you
know
a
couple
probably
a
year
ago,
everyone's
talking
about
defunding,
police
and
now
we're
we
seem
to
be
throwing
money
at
them
so
which
you
know
I
think
to
you
know
I
think
renee
and
I
both
made
these
arguments-
is
that
you
we
need
to
retain
the
officers,
otherwise
we're
going
to
lose
them
in
in
droves,
to
state
police
or
to
rio
rancho,
because
they're
offering
larger
pay.
B
But
I
don't
see
that
it's
really
been
working.
We
still
have.
We
have
more
vacancies
now
than
we
did
before
we
started
sort
of
this
match.
Matching
everyone's
pay
raise,
so
you
know
we.
We
have
to
find
ways
to
do
some
better
recruiting.
I
think
that's
that's
the
key,
so
we
both
made
arguments
on
that
and
then
they're
offering
down
payment
assistance
to
only
public
safety
for
now
to
the
tune
of
750
000.
B
So,
according
to
surveys
from
both
well
from
fire
at
least,
there
seemed
to
be
a
pretty
big
interest
in
in
down
payment
assistance.
But
we'll
we'll
monitor
it
throughout
the
course
of
six
months
to
a
year
and
see
if
we
need
to
put
more
money
in
or
if
we
need
to
be
more
inclusive
with
other
employees
and
kind
of
watch
that
and
see
where
it
goes.
E
Yes,
I
just
have
a
couple
questions
for
you
guys.
First,
I
also
think
it's
wonderful
that
you
guys
advocated
for
that
to
be
a
program
for
other
city
employees,
because
we
we
all
have
to
figure
out
how
to
live
in
santa
fe
and
I
get
well.
I
have
multiple
questions
so
rather
than
ask
a
compound
question,
I'll
just
ask
them
individually,
which
is
so
there's
750
000.
E
Is
there
a
limit
to
how
much
or
are
they
gonna?
How
do
I
say
this
is
each
if
somebody
applies
for
it?
Is
it
a
standard
amount
or
is
it
a
percentage
or
how
are
they
going
to
distribute
that
over
the
year
to
help
officers
get
housing.
C
They
haven't
structured
it
yet,
but
I'm
assuming
it's
going
to
be
based
on
how
home
wise
does
it
now
or
the
housing
trust
which
is
usually
based
on
your
income.
It's
also
we've
had
we've
noticed
that,
with
our
down
payment
assistance,
funding
that
we
it
has
to
be
increased
because
20
000
was
the
norm,
and
now
it
needs
to
be
probably
up
to
about
at
least
50
000.
So
when
you
think
about
50
000,
that
only
serves
about
what
14
people
and
that's
why
we
were
saying.
Well.
C
Not
only
should
this
be
accessible
to
all
city
employees,
because
essential
workers
are
in
every
every
level,
not
every
level
but
every
department,
and
we
have
more
shortages
and
other
departments,
and
we
do
pd
there's
some
departments
that
have
32
percent
vacancies
and
40
vacancies.
So
we
need
more
money
in
that
fund
too.
750
000
is
not
going
to
go
very
far,
so
it's
gonna.
They
haven't
structured
it.
C
Yet,
though
that
was
the
other
thing
we're
like
well,
who's
gonna
be
facilitating
the
the
criteria,
essentially
so
they're
gonna,
we're
probably
gonna,
have
to
work
with
the
nonprofit
to
be
able
to
structure
that
for
the
city.
B
And
the
other
thing
is,
you
know
home
wise
or
who's
the
other
one
running
the
housing
trust
they
have
income
levels
that
people
need
to
qualify
and
I'm
not
sure
that
our
police
and
and
fire
that
they're
trying
to
bring
back
from
other
places
that
have
that
have
you
know
been
here
making
raises
and
and
doing
you
know
getting
a
an
income
higher
and
higher
every
year
are
going
to
qualify
for
those.
B
So
you
know
maybe
good
for
people
just
starting,
but
for
those
that
have
been
here
a
while,
I'm
not
sure
we're
going
to
bring
a
lot
of
people
back
so,
but
it's
you
know,
like
I
said,
we'll
keep
looking
at
it
and
keeping
track
of
it
marcel.
Are
you
waving
at
me
or
was
that.
B
You
sorry
just
before
you
go
on
monica
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
did
ask
about
additional
funding
for
this
committee
and
we're
told
by
kira
that
it's
in
her
budget.
She
has
it
and
you
know
so.
We
should
have
enough
to
do
with
gabe
what
we
want
to
do
to
the
fullest
extent
possible.
I
think,
and
then
I
think,
to
keep
valedia
on
board
as
well.
E
B
E
Cool
the
only
other
question
I
had
was
so
I'm
assuming
that
the
the
down
payment
assistance
is
or
sort
of
the
I'm,
assuming
that
some
of
the
argument
for
it
is
to
try
and
keep
or
to
try
to
keep
officers
here
instead
of
moving.
E
But
I,
but
I
hear
your
your
point-
that
that
we
already
are
doing
a
lot
of
things
to
try
and
keep
them
here
and
they're
still
leaving,
and
I
just
I
wonder
if
there
yeah,
I
guess
I
that's
just
more
a
discussion.
I
guess
is
that
you
know
if
people
if
people
want
to
leave
and
work
other
places,
that's
also
their
their
prerogative.
I
mean
santa
fe
is
a
beautiful
place
to
live
it.
E
I
I'm
wondering
if
there's
other
other
things
that
they're
talking
about
to
try
and
have
to
try
and
keep
officers
or.
G
E
The
alternative
like
what
we're
proposing
that
we
actually
have
alternative
units,
so
we
may
not.
You
know
the
different
kinds
of
of
police
officers.
C
Yeah
we've
had
that
conversation
for
a
while
monica
when
I
suggested
that
police
officers
may
do
may
have
different
roles
and
may
look
like
social
workers
or
do
social
workers,
and
that
was
never
supported
and
I
was
laughed
at
when
they
first
got
on
the
council
and
it's
still
kind
of
of
that
mentality.
What's
happening
is
the
people
that
are
having
different
roles
are
coming
from
fire
that
fire
department
not
pd,
and
that
is
what
I
think
you're
right
to
like
think
about
different
ways
that
people
have
in
their
jobs
in
the
pd.
C
E
And
maybe
it's
fine
that
that
some
people
leave
and
that
things
sort
of
shrink?
Naturally,
because
you
know
I
could
I
it's
difficult
for
me
to
sort
of
fathom
that
you
know
that
fire
wouldn't
be
also
offered
down
payment
assistance
or
various
other
types
of
professions,
wouldn't
have
that
have
access
in
that
way
because
they're
essential
when
we
need
them
for
our
well.
G
A
Okay,
chris
and
renee,
are
you
feeling
complete
with
updates
from
the
co-chairs
or
be
good
to
move
forward.
A
And
then
you
chime
in
again
absolutely
well
from
my
end
before
we
go
into
emily's
presentation,
I
wanted
just
to
have
a
quick
check
in
with
with
upcoming
scheduling,
upcoming
first
presentations.
I
know
ithaca
was
in
the
books
marcella.
I
think
I
believe
you
and
mary
louise
we're
gonna
do
an
expert
panel.
A
If
I'm
correct,
find
some
fees
with
monica
and
an
expert
panel,
I
think,
with
connect
connect,
so
just
sort
of
give
giving
a
gentle
reminder
to
to
keep
us
updated
via
the
work
plan
or
via
email
when
you
have
a
confirmation,
so
that
that
helps
us
inform
the
agenda
for
the
for
the
next
meeting.
So
that's
incredibly
helpful.
Thank
you.
B
Give
a
quick
update
on
ithaca,
so
I
had
a
frank
conversation
with
faith
who
is
from
ithaca
and
it
sounded
to
me
like.
She
was
a
little
embarrassed
because
all
the
work
that
they
did
doesn't
look
like
it's
going
to
be
passed
or
utilized
by
their
governing
body,
and
I
told
her
look
we're
not
concerned
about
really
what
the
governing
body
does.
We
just
want
to
know
about
the
process.
We
just
want
to
know
about
the
community
engagement
piece,
so
that
made
her
feel
a
little
bit
better.
B
So
I'll
continue
to
be
in
touch
with
her
and
and
see,
and
you
know
I'll
give
them.
I
think
one
more
opportunity
at
our
second
meeting
in
may
to
decide
if
they
want
to
do
it
and
if
not,
then
I
think
we'll
move
on
from
those
efforts.
E
And
valeria
I
did
put
in
the
work
plan
when
I
would
be
doing
the
first
presentation
and
then
it's
followed
by
the
expert
panel
and
I've
confirmed
with
folks.
So
it
should
be
that
we're
okay
and
we'll
have
a
group
of
people
from
around
the
country
that
will
come
similar
to
similar
to
some
of
the
same
people.
So
our
city,
counselors
they'll,
recognize
some
of
the
folks
but
it'll
be
new
for
everybody
else.
A
H
Thank
you
hi.
Everyone
excuse
me,
say
clear
my
throat,
so
in
the
spirit
of
these
presentations
tonight
I
was
just
gonna
ground
us
in
the
starting
to
think
about
alternatives
to
policing
of
drugs
right
and
so
that
it
would
be
followed
up
with
an
expert
panel.
However,
before
I
decide
who's
on
that
expert
panel,
it'd
be
great
at
the
end
of
the
presentation
to
get
a
sense
from
all
of
you
of
what
resonated
from
this
presentation.
H
What
issues
you'd
like
to
hear
more
about,
and
instead
of
me
just
saying
here,
are
some
alternatives.
I
think
we
should
hear
from
so
keep
that
in
mind.
As
I
start
walking
through
the
presentation.
I
also
want
us
to
just
remember
that
our
role
is
not
just
about
public
safety.
It's
public
health
and,
in
my
view,
public
health
is
public
safety
and
public
safety
is
public
health.
H
So
you
will
see
some
ideas
in
this
presentation
that
aren't
necessarily
related
to
the
police
department
right
they
are
about
community
supports,
but
I
think
that
that's
also
under
our
purview
to
think
about
other
ways
to
improve
the
health
of
our
communities.
That
then,
will
ultimately
and
hopefully
lead
to
less
interaction
with
law
enforcement
so
that
we're
really
treating
it
as
a
health
issue
and
not
as
a
criminal
issue.
So
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
H
Let's
see
how
do
I
there
we
go,
so
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
remind
us
that
drug
possession
and
drug
use
has
a
huge
impact
on
our
everyday
in
our
community
and
all
of
our
systems.
So
I
wish
I
had
all
this
data
for
santa
fe,
the
city
of
santa
fe,
but
I
think
if
we
started
to
dive
in
we'd,
see
some
similar
patterns,
not
necessarily
so
I
just
want
to
give
the
caveat
that
this
is
not
necessarily
what
we're
experiencing
in
santa
fe.
H
But
maybe
these
are
some
data
points
we
might
want
to
think
about
collecting.
But
drug
offenses
are
the
leading
cause
of
arrest
in
the
u.s.
That's
crazy,
and
if
we
look
at
that,
the
majority
probably
about
80
percent
are
for
possession
alone,
so
think
about
that
in
the
sense
of
if
someone
possesses
drugs
is
that
a
public
safety
concern
or
not.
H
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
walk
through.
Obviously,
it
has
an
incredible
impact
on
how
many
people
are
behind
bars
or
on
community
supervision
for
drug
possession,
and
you
know,
including
just
all
of
the
individuals
that
get
disproportionately
impacted
by
the
policing
of
drugs.
You
know,
for
example,
in
2019,
you
can
see
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen
ice
made
over
67,
000
drug
arrests
right
and
how
many
of
those
individuals
are
there
that
are
then
deported.
H
So
it
was
right
behind
a
legal
entry
that
drug
offenses
were
the
most
common
offense
in
which
people
were
deported
and
marcella.
You
might
have
really
more
context
around
that,
but
what
we
see
at
a
national
level
are
the
communities
that
are
being
most
harmed
by
the
policing
of
drugs
and
not
the
health
approach
are
communities
of
color
and
low-income
communities,
and
it
has
an
incredible
financial
impact.
H
So
you
can
see
how
much
we're
spending
just
for
policing
the
possession
of
drugs
and
it
comes
at
the
expense
of
other
types
of
services
and
vital
supports
just
like
we're
having
the
conversation
about
budget
right.
If
we're
going
to
be
putting
more
money
into
the
policing
of
certain
issues
in
our
community,
it
takes
away
then
from
the
the
needs
or
the
opportunities
to
reinvest
back
into
health
based
services
and
social
supports.
H
20
2021
data
shows
that
it's
about
a
hundred
thousand
and
so
we're
seeing
just
this
surge
there's
also
some
recent
data
showing
that
young
people
aren't
necessarily
using
drugs
at
a
increased
rate
but
they're
dying
of
overdoses
at
an
increased
rate.
So
that
tells
us
something
about
what
we're
not
doing,
and
that
is
we're
not
prioritizing
education
and
prevention
and
we're
also
dealing
with
very
dangerous
adulterants
in
our
illicit
drug
supply.
H
They
don't
seek
treatment
and
supports,
and
so
the
more
we
criminalize
the
more
we're
pushing
people
away
from
a
health-based
system.
The
other
thing
we're
seeing
is
that
climate
change
is
actually
causing
more
illicit
substances
to
be
synthetically
derived.
So
you
know
poppies,
for
example,
aren't
being
grown
as
much
so
we
are
now
seeing
sort
of
these
synthetic
opioids
becoming
much
more
prevalent
and
also
it's
easier
to
easier
to
bring
those
types
of
substances
into
the
country
or
to
manufacture
them
here.
H
The
impact
does
is,
doesn't
just
well:
the
the
policing
of
drugs
doesn't
just
impact
our
public
safety
systems
or
correctional
systems,
or
you
know,
police
and
da's
and
public
defenders.
It
has
a
huge
impact
on
every
aspect
of
people's
lives
right
from
housing,
public
benefits,
child
welfare,
employment,
immigration,
education
right.
So
the
tentacles
of
this
approach
of
criminalization
ends
up
impacting
many
of
our
civil
systems.
So,
for
example,
you
have
you're
unhoused,
because
you
have
a
felony
on
your
record
for
possessing
small
amounts
of
drugs
and
you're.
H
Not
you
can't
access
housing
because
of
that
felony
and
therefore,
because
you're
unhoused
you're
going
to
have
so
many
more
complex
issues
and
might
be
using
drugs
more
because
you're
scared
you're
going
to
freeze
to
death
in
the
middle
of
the
winter
and
you're
trying
to
stay
awake
using
methamphetamines
right.
You
have
maybe
pro
you
know,
compounded
your
behavioral
health
issues,
so
we're
seeing
just
sort
of
the
tentacles
of
this
or
the
impact
of
policing
our
drugs
into
every
aspect
of
our
lives
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
H
But
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
realize
that
it's
not
just
in
our
public
safety
system,
just
providing
like
a
little
bit
of
data
about
what's
going
on
in
the
city
in
santa
fe
county,
and
it's
really
hard
to
get
updated
data
on
a
lot
of
this,
because
many
of
this
is
more
is
based
on
2019
or
2020
data
we're
a
little
bit
behind,
but
I
do
want
to
flag
here.
H
This
is
data
that
human
services
department
put
out
in
2020
that
at
the
bottom
of
this
table,
you'll
see
drug
overdose
deaths
deaths
by
suicide.
H
You
know
those
are
are
significant
here
in
santa
fe
county
and
they're
increasing
poverty
rates,
food
insecurity
rates.
So
you
know
santa
fe
is
not
exempt
from
the
overdose
crisis.
In
fact
we're
seeing
it
increase
in
our
own
community
every
year-
and
I
also
I'm
just
providing
this-
I'm
not
going
to
walk
through
it.
But
I'll
share
this
presentation.
H
It
really
does
show
that
our
indigenous
and
native
communities
are
experiencing
overdose
deaths
at
higher
rates
than
other
communities.
That's
we're
seeing
that
nationally,
and
I
think
it
also
shows
just
the
disparity
in
the
impact
of
problematic
drug
use
in
our
own
county
that
you
can
see
some
of
the
differences
by
race
and
ethnicity.
H
So,
as
I
mentioned,
I
think
to
this
group,
I
asked
santa
fe
police
department
for
some
data
and
what
I
I
thought
I'd
look
at
a
six
month
period,
so
I
asked
for
any
report
that
had
a
drug
or
narcotics
violation
for
the
period
of
july
through
the
end
of
december
of
2021,
and
so
I
got
a
list.
I
think
I
talked
about
it,
but
it
didn't
tell
me
much
right
because
I
really
wanted
to
dive
in
so
yesterday
I
picked
up
from
the
police
department
97
right
here
of
copying
fees.
H
I
have
every
report
of
so
I
could
actually
read
the
reports
because
you
know
there's
so
much
that
gets
lost
in
just
the
aggregate
data
and
I
have
to
tell
you
that
I
haven't
gone
through
all
of
it,
but
I
wanted
to
just
give
a
summary
of
what
I've
been
able
to
sort
of
tease
out
from
this,
and
I
think
it's
fascinating
and
I'd
really
encourage
all
of
us
to
dive
into
some
of
these
police
reports,
because
it
gives
you
a
sense
of
what's
actually
happening
at
and
but
I
also
have
to
say
these
are
police
reports.
H
So
this
is
the
opinion
you
know
this
is
what
was
documented
by
law
enforcement.
So
we
don't
know
what
the
other
side
is.
I
also
want
to
say
that
these
are.
This
is
what
I
have
seen
in
the
reports,
and
we
know
that
every
case
is
very
complex,
so
I'm
not
trying
to
make
assumptions
here,
but
I
do
want
to
just
provide
some
high
level
summary,
so
there
were
60
drug
narcotic
violations
between
in
that
period
of
time.
H
I
haven't
actually
looked
at
whether
that
is.
It
feels
like
a
small
amount
actually
over
six
months,
but
I
know
that
covid
has
had
an
impact,
and
so
it
would
be
really
interesting
and
at
a
later
date,
I'll
look
and
do
a
comparison
of
whether
you
know
that
really
changed
over
a
six-month
period.
H
Not
only
are
they
arrested
because
there's
an
outstanding
warrant,
while
they're
patting
them
down,
they
find
drugs
or
they
find
drugs
in
the
car.
That
person
is
then
charged
with
a
new
drug
crime,
and
the
cycle
starts
all
over
again
and
you
know
why
it's
probably
because
failure
to
appear
or
failure
to
pay
fines-
and
you
know
thinking
about
monika's
work.
H
You
know
if
someone
is
unable
to
pay
a
finer
fee
and
there's
a
warrant
for
their
arrest,
and
then
they
find
drugs.
It's
just.
What
are
we
doing?
It's
just
this
cycle
in
and
out
revolving
door
with
warrants
and
drug
arrests
and
people
aren't
getting
the
social
supports
or
the
treatment
or
the
health
services
that
they
need
so
diving
a
little
deeper
70
of
those
violations.
H
So
there
may
have
been
some
other
charges
related,
but
you
know
drugs
were
the
primary
charge
and
you'll
see
when
book-
and
I
actually
I
like
having
monica
here
because
she
can
clarify
being
the
public
defender
she
can
share
with
us
like
what
that
means.
But
you'll
see
on
like
a
report.
For
example,
at
the
top
here,
they'll
put:
what
are
their
primary
charges
so
70
were
drug
violations
and,
in
my
opinion
only
a
third
were
related
to
what
I'm
saying
is
a
more
serious
public
safety
charge.
So
that's
we
can.
H
We
can
all
define
what
we
mean
by
serious.
You
know
so
this
is
just
my,
but
what
I
put
in
that
serious
category
was
assault,
vandalism,
weapon
violation,
stolen
property
or
burglary,
breaking
and
entering
into
a
car,
dui
and
arson.
I
felt
like
those
might
to
the
public,
seem
more
like
a
public
safety
concern
than
just
possessing
drugs,
and
so
I
thought
that
was
interesting.
So.
E
Yeah,
can
I
just
say
one
thing,
which
is
the
irony
just
about
that
is
that
assault
in
general
people
think
of
assault
as
very
serious,
but
assault
is
actually
a
petty
misdemeanor
you're,
not
touching
anyone
there's
no
actual
contact
assault
is
you
know,
assault
can
be
a
variety
of
things,
but
assault
doesn't
mean
you
touched
anybody,
nobody's,
hurt,
nobody's
injured
and
it's
seen
as
the
lowest
level
crime
that
we
could
possibly
imagine
in
the
criminal
code.
E
H
E
Those
are
different,
yeah
battery
yeah
battery
means
somebody
was
touched,
but
also
under
new
mexico
law
battery
is
also
a
petty
misdemeanor.
So
if,
if
I
actually
punch
somebody
in
the
face,
that's
and
and
we're
not
related,
you
know
there's
not
the
household
member
issue
it.
That
is
a
petty
misdemeanor,
depending
on
their
injuries.
H
And
that's
really
interesting
right.
So
let's
put
that
in
context
like
so,
if
there's
a
battery
on
a
household
member
and
maybe
someone
was
struck,
that
is
less
of
a
charge
than
possessing
a
trace
amount
of
heroin
or
one
pill
that
you
have
on
your
body,
that
you
don't
have
a
prescription
for
so
again,
where
we're
putting
our
priority
and
how
we're
harming
people
for
their
sort
of
the
lifelong
impacts
that
that
person
will
now
have
because
they
have
a
felony.
H
I
just
want
us
to
think
about
that
when
we're
thinking
about
public
safety
resources
and
what
we're
considering
more
severe
and
I'm
not
saying
that
you
know,
but
I
would
think
that
most
people
would
think
if
someone
was
actually
harmed
physically
by
someone
else
that
that
might
warrant
a
call,
maybe
versus
someone
who's,
just
walking
down
the
street
looks
suspicious
and
then
drugs
are
found
on
their
body
and
now
they're
a
felon.
H
So
that's
a
good
segue
into
I've
started
to
read
through
these
reports
and
sort
of
flag
ones
that
I
thought
you
know,
let's
think
about.
Do
we
really
need
a
law
enforcement
response
for
these,
and
now
that
we
have
the
aru,
we
have
the
thrive
program.
H
You
know
why
you
know
I'm
not
saying
that
these
all
these
cases
should
have
gone
to
aru,
I'm
not
saying
why
weren't
they,
but
I
think
it
warrants
us
to
take
a
deep
dive
into
seeing
what
types
of
rep,
what
types
of
cases
are
going
to
aru,
which
ones
aren't
and
why?
Why
and-
and
I
think
that's
you
know
again-
this
was
2021,
so
it'd
be
interesting
to
look
forward,
as
these
programs
start
to
be
implemented
at
a
more
aggressive
level.
But
so
here
are
some
examples.
H
There
were
a
lot
in
here
of
people
who
were
asleep
or
passed
out
in
a
car,
and
someone
called
you
know
to
do
a
welfare
check,
and
so
one
example,
a
a
man
was
asleep
in
his
car.
He
gets
out
of
the
car
he
actually
there.
He
throws
up
on
the
side
of
the
out
the
door,
then
he
stands
gets
out
of
the
car
and
he
actually
uses
drugs
right
in
front
of
the
officer.
They
arrest
him
and
book
him
to
me.
H
That
is
just
a
health
issue
written
all
over
it
right,
like
the
guy,
didn't
harm
anyone.
He
clearly
is
in
a
very
serious
condition.
This
would
be
in
my
opinion
again.
This
is
from
what
I
gleaned
from
a
report.
In
my
opinion,
this
would
be
a
good
example
of.
Why
did
a
police
officer
have
to
do
the
welfare
check?
Couldn't
there
be
an
alternative
response
for
that
individual
and
then
linking
that
person
with
healthcare
and
social
sports
anyways
again,
I
don't
know
all
the
details
of
this,
but
that's
one
example.
H
There
are
a
lot.
Many
more
people
passed
out
at
a
gas
station
in
parking
lots
and
we
have
to
remember
this
hasn't
happened
here,
but
when
we're
talking
about
the
concern
around
a
violent
encounter
between
an
individual
and
a
responding
officer,
there
was
a
case
remember
this
case
where
the
man
was
asleep
in.
I
think
a
fast
food
parking
lot
and
he
was
shot
to
death
by
an
officer
and
many
say,
maybe
that
no
one
should
have
called
9-1-1
to
get
an
officer
there.
H
Could
there
have
been
a
different
response,
so
I'm
just
sharing
these
stories
that
in
other
places
around
the
country,
things
could
have
gone,
or
here
things
could
have
gone
a
lot
worse.
Based
on
what
we're
seeing
elsewhere,
another
example:
a
woman
refused
to
leave
a
hotel
room
law
enforcement
was
called
an
officer
responded,
found
narcotics
in
the
room
and
arrested
the
woman.
Clearly,
based
on
the
report,
she
had
some
very
serious
mental
health
issues.
H
H
This
other
one
I
found
interesting,
an
officer
was
driving
and
I
don't
know
why,
and
so
monica
can
also
maybe
jump
in
here
but
decided
to
query
the
license
plate
like
why
there
was
no
reason
documented
in
the
report
that
the
officer
would
have
typed
in
the
license
plate.
He
found
that
the
plate
didn't
match
the
car
and
so
pulled
the
person
over
that
car
was
not
stolen.
H
You
know
it
was
a
little
unclear
about
who
owned
the
car.
You
know
that
that
was
a
little
weird,
but
no
crime
seemed
to
have
been
committed
by
you
know
this
man
driving
this
car.
They
found
drugs
in
the
car
because
they
saw
some
foil
and
the
man
was
arrested,
and
that
was
the
only
crime
that
was
noted
on
the
report.
He
had
his
elderly
mom
in
the
car,
so
you
know.
E
Anyways
monica
do
you
remember
I
mean
this
is
so
there's
sorry,
my
dog
is
going
a
little
nuts
because
it's
6
15
and
there's
probably
a
bunch
of
other
dogs
walking.
But
these
are
things
where
you
know
my
questions
are
what
the
vehicle
looked
like.
Was
it
kind
of
beat
up
if
the
vehicle
was
beat
up?
Sometimes
what
happens
is,
and
sometimes
officers
would
look
at
this
as
a
proactive
policing.
The
other
thing
is
that
you
know
sometimes
they
make
stops.
E
They're
called
pre-textual
stops
right,
so
they're
making
a
stop
for
another
reason,
which
usually
means
they
want
to
look
in
the
car
or
the
person's
body.
So
they
sort
of
look
for
different
reasons
why
they
could
pull
somebody.
A
E
And-
and
maybe
this
was
the
case,
my
question
would
be:
did
this
person
have
a
lawyer?
Were
they
fighting?
This
did.
Did
it
in
fact?
Did
the
license
plate
really
not
match
the
car?
There's
other
sort
of
things
that
could
happen
here,
but
but
that's
one
of
those
things.
There
are
a
lot
of
states
that
have
license
plate
readers.
We
have
some.
E
We
had
some
case
law
that
went
one
way
for
a
while,
but
now
the
new
mexico
supreme
court
has
decided
that
certain
things
are
lawful,
can't
you
can
sort
of
look
at
insurance
and
registration
stuff
if
you
have
that
that
kind
of
technology
access,
but
there's
certainly
people
that
make
arguments
that
there's
a
privacy
concern
and
that
you
shouldn't
be
that
absent
some
other,
some
other
behavior
or
actions
that
law
enforcement
should
not
be
essentially
checking
everybody's
license
plates.
For
these
reasons,.
F
This
is
a
question
probably
for
you
monica,
but
I
was
stalked
by
a
state
police
officer
in
northern
new
mexico
coming
back
from
colorado
and
I
of
course
am
trained
to
say.
Why
was
I
stopped
and
he
said
because
my
reader
and
and
he
said
because
you
suspected
lessons
I
didn't
know-
I
had
a
suspended
license
and
it
wasn't
my
fault
it's
because
they
didn't
register
me
paying
for
a
ticket,
and
so
I
got
it
all
cleared
up.
F
But
I
did
ask
why
how
what
led
you
to
query
my
driver's
license,
and
he
said
I
didn't.
I
have
my
my
car
alerts
me
or
my.
I
have
a
reader
and
this
probably
happened
about
two.
Maybe
it
was
before
the
pandemics
was
like
three
or
four
years
ago,
and
it
was
the
first
time
I
had
heard
that
state
police
had
these
readers
is
this
true?
E
F
And
then
I
inquired
and
sure
enough,
I
was
just
shocked
that
they
didn't
need
a
reason
to
put
my
driver's
license
information
in,
but
he
said
that
it
read
it.
I
don't
know.
If
the
state
police
have
this
technology,
it
would
be
good
to
know.
Do
you
know
monica.
E
So
I've
never
had
a
license
plate
reader
case
before,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
technology
that
one
person
is
now
using
for
a
variety
which
which
for
different
types
of
surveillance,
if
you
will
it
being
automatic,
I
haven't
heard
about
our
police
having
something
that
they
have
no
control
over.
There
still
has
to
be
some
initiation.
It's
not
like
the
car
is
reading
every
single
license
plate
that
it
goes
by
that
doesn't
make
sense
because
they're,
if
they're
in
traffic,
for
example,
there's
so
many
license
plates.
F
F
E
A
rental
car
and
you
were
coming
from
colorado.
Yes,
so
I
will
say
true:
pre-legalization,
yes
pre-legalization,
so
also
all
of
those
things
are
legal.
However,
this
is
what
comes
into
the
sort
of
profiling
that
occurs
and
I'm
not
saying
racial
profiling.
E
I'm
saying
profiling
of
vehicles
right
and
and
when
they're
going
to
pull
people
over,
because
they
really
just
want
to
search
the
vehicle
they
want
to
search
the
car
and
also
you
know,
I'd
love
to
talk
to
you
about
your
suspended
license,
because
this
is
one
of
those
things
that
we
want
to
change
right
is
that
you
can
get
a
suspended,
license
unbeknownst
to
you,
because
you,
you
paid
something,
but
they
didn't
register
that
you
paid
it.
So
actually
that's
a
failure
to
pay
issue.
E
Ask
well
the
only
reason
they
didn't
is
because
they
changed
well.
This
was
actually
representative
mo
maestas
who
had
a
bill
that
changed
it
used
to
be.
There
was
a
mandatory
minimum
of
four
days
in
custody
for
a
suspended
license
for
a
mandatory
minimum
that
we
are
going
to
say
that
so
you
could.
You
know
child
abuse,
for
example,
most
people
think
that
that's
pretty
egregious,
of
course,
right.
Child
abuse
does
not
have
a
mandatory
minimum
minimum.
E
Yet
if
you
drive
on
a
suspended
license,
even
if
you
have
no
idea
that
it's
suspended,
that
has
a
mandatory
minimum
and
I'm
not
even
talking
about
revoked
licenses,
that's
separate,
but
there
was
a
lot
that
was
changed,
that
it's
an
administrative
suspension.
So
now
they
can't
arrest
you
it's
more
that
they
just
couldn't,
because
they
would
have,
and
you
would
have
been
in
custody
for
four
days.
H
Complex
and
interconnected
are
these
cases
are
right
from
failure
to
pay
all
the
way
to
pro.
You
know
profiling,
a
car
to
ending
up
arresting
someone
who
might
really
need
health
supports
and
not
being
incarcerated.
So
I
just
you
know
I
I'm
gonna
read
through
all
these.
The
last
one
I
thought
also
was
interesting
and,
and
the
reason
it
jumped
out
to
me
was
really
should
we
be
spending
our
time,
our
law
enforcement
time
on
these
types
of
interactions.
H
So
officers
were
walking
through
the
parking
lot
at
home
depot
and
apparently
looked
in
a
car
saw
something
that
looked
like
drugs
stopped
to
talk
to
the
person
the
person
freaked
out
and
fled
on
foot.
They
chased
and
apprehended
the
individual
who
ended
up
falling
and
you
know
scraping
their
knee
and
they
asked
him.
Why
did
you
flee
and
he
said,
I'm
terrified.
I've
never
had
interaction
with
law
enforcement
before
so
here's
this
poor
guy
sitting
in
his
car
in
home
depot.
H
You
know
he
has
narc
illicit
narcotics,
but
you
know
just
because
law
enforcement
approached
him.
He
fled.
Could
you
imagine
if
he
had
reached
into
his
pocket
if
he
had
done
something
that
law
enforcement
may
have
thought
as
a
a
threat
to
them?
He
may
not
be
alive.
H
Today
and
again
we
see
these
same
types
of
interactions
going
wrong
all
over
the
country,
and
so
I
want
to
flag
these
because
the
way
we
police
drugs
is
often
a
pretext
to
harmful
encounters
with
law
enforcement
enforcement
right
so
oftentimes,
it's
oh
well,
I
smelled
marijuana
in
the
car
or
or
if
it
doesn't
have
to
do
with
drugs.
I
that
that
person
didn't
have
operating
brake
light
and
I
stopped
them
and
they
end
up
getting
arrested
for
possession
so
anyways.
H
I
will
continue
to
share
if
anyone's
interested.
I
now
have
this
stack
of
reports
happy
if
you
want
to
read
through
them
or
join
me
in
in
in
in
doing
this
sort
of
more.
H
I
guess
it's
a
qualitative
review
than
a
quantitative
review
of
of
what
we're
seeing
in
santa
fe
so,
and
I
also
do
want
to
say
that
drugs
are
illegal
under
state
law
and
law
enforcement
is
doing
their
job.
You
know
that
they
are
policing,
they're
told
this
is
illegal
and
therefore
they
are
following
the
state
law
and
so
later
in
my
presentation,
I
promise
it
won't
be
too
long.
H
Our
city
council
did
that
with
the
council
vote
and
and
now
obviously
we
have
legal
cannabis,
but
that
was
a
really
big
step.
Even
though
cannabis
possession
was
illegal
at
a
state
level.
The
city
of
santa
fe
changed
an
ordinance.
It
passed
an
ordinance
making
it
decriminalizing
it.
Here
we
started
the
law
enforcement
assisted
diversion
the
second
in
the
country
in
2014..
H
That
model
was
really
about.
It
was
sort
of
de
facto
decriminalization
right
diversion
into
a
harm
reduction
health-based
system.
Instead
of
arresting
people
for
possessing
opiates.
H
We
created
the
municipal
drug
strategy
task
force
again.
Very
few
jurisdictions
in
the
country
had
done
something
like
this.
It
was
ithaco
was
the
first
marcellus
served
on
that
task
force
that
was
ran
for
two
years.
We
presented
some
of
those
recommendations
to
this
body
earlier
this
year,
or
was
it
early
or
last
year.
I
can't
remember,
and
so
many
of
the
issues
I'm
going
to
touch
on
actually
were
recommendations
that
came
right
out
of
the
municipal
drug
strategy
task
force.
We
have
the
alternative
response
unit.
H
It
is
also
looked
at
as
a
national
model,
because
a
lot
of
other
communities
don't
have
arus
like
we
do
in
santa
fe.
One,
and
most
importantly,
is
that
we
have
an
aru
that
does
not
include
law
enforcement
right
and
so
that's
a
really
important
model
to
look
at.
We
have
the
hygiene
unit
kiera's
department
has
created,
I
think
it's
showers
for
people
who
don't
have
access
to
bathrooms
and
showers
elsewhere,
and
so
that's
also,
I
think,
a
really
important
step
forward
for
the
city
and
then
in
2021.
H
Our
city
council
banned
no
knock
warrants,
no
knock
warrants
are
where
police
get
a
warrant
to,
and-
and
this
is
really
driven
by
the
war
on
trucks,
to
try
to
get
evidence
in
a
drug
case
and
they,
but
they
don't
have
to
knock
they
just
burst
in
in
a
swat
style
raid
and
oftentimes
people
then
are
injured
or
killed
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
raid
or
the
re,
and
so
again
a
really
important
change.
H
I'll
talk
about
it
in
a
little
bit
so
moving
on,
I
just
want
to
oops
talk
about
sort
of
the
the
areas
that
this
body
this
task
force
could
explore
as
we
continue
to
do
our
work
so
the
first
that's
around
decriminalization
of
the
possession
and
related
offenses
shifting
police
responses
for
drugs
to
a
more
appropriate
civilian
alternative.
We're
already
doing
that.
That's
why
you
see
that
little
check
mark
and
we've
heard
from
the
aru
folks.
How
can
we
make
that
even
better?
How
can
we
expand
it?
H
How
can
we
advocate
for
more
funding?
How
can
we
get
it
evaluated,
so
we
actually
see
the
impact
et
cetera,
expanding
harm
reduction
in
other
health
services.
I
think
this
is
an
area
where
we
can
do
more
in
our
city.
H
Talking
about
that
tactical
and
personnel
reforms
to
prevent
drug
war
policing
again,
that's
the
the
no
knock
the
ban
on
the
no
knock
warrants.
I
think
we
can
do
more
and
I'll
share
a
little
bit
about
that.
I
talked
about
the
uprooting
the
drug
war
from
civil
systems,
and
then,
where
can
we
maybe
think
about
data
collection
and
transparency
that
will
help
us
track?
H
How
we're
doing
in
our
local
community
so
quickly
on
on
decriminalization
basic
principle
is
treating
problematic
drug
use
as
a
health
issue
instead
of
a
criminal
one,
oregon
became
the
first
state
in
our
in
the
us
to
do
this
two
years
ago
and
it's
just
getting
implemented
now.
So
possession
is
no
longer
a
criminal
offense
in
oregon
up
to
a
certain
there's,
a
threshold
amount.
H
It
is
a
civil
infraction,
and
I
just
want
to
remind
us
that
any
possession
of
a
schedule-
1
narcotic
and
schedule
2
even
in
trace
amounts,
is
a
felony
aside
for
from
cannabis,
so
that
is
punishable
up
to
18
months
and
then
in
prison
and
a
fine
up
to
five
thousand
dollars.
So
if
someone
is
patted
down,
they
have
a
syringe.
H
H
So
how
could
we
do
this?
The
idea
is
really
to
enact
a
non-enforcement
like
non-enforcement
policies
or
like
low
low
lowest
level
law
enforcement,
priorities
for
law
enforcement
of
the
possession
of
of
drugs
for
personal
use.
H
You
know
and
and
then
also
decriminalizing
other
offenses
like
homelessness
or
loitering,
or
public
intoxication
or
public
nuisance
that
often
go
hand
in
hand
with
with
the
possession.
So.
B
H
Just
want
to
throw
that
out
there
as
people
are
starting
to
think
across
the
country
in
local
jurisdictions.
This
is
an
idea
that
has
been
raised
and
then
you'd
have
to
actually
draft
and
train.
You
know
protocols
and
training
materials
because
what
we
saw
when
we
decriminalized
marijuana
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
I
don't
think
early
on.
Did
we
do
a
good
job
in
training
law
enforcement
around
what
that
change
meant.
H
Health-Based
approach
approaches-
I
don't
know
if
folks
on
this
task
force
have
heard
of
supervised
consumption,
services
or
otherwise
referred
to
as
overdose
prevention
programs.
But
the
idea
here
and
I've
provided
a
link
for
those
who
might
want
to
watch
a
little
video
to
get
a
little
primer
on
these
types
of
health.
H
I
mean
the
data
is
astounding:
how
many
people
go
every
day
into
these
safe
spaces?
H
They
have
become
places
really
important
community
spaces
where
people
feel
safe,
where
people
can
access
other
services
where
people
are
not
afraid
to
die
because
they're
using
a
substance
that
they
don't
know
the
purity
of
or
what's
in
it,
and
I
also
I've
been
in
contact
with
the
folks
who
run
these
oversight.
H
Overdose
prevention,
centers
they're
more
than
happy
to
come.
So
this
is
an
example
where
we
could
have
an
expert
panel
they're
more
than
happy
to
share
and
to
support
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
santa
fe
to
see.
If
this
is
something
that's
appropriate
again,
it
may
not
be
in.
You
know
in
the
for
we're
talking
about
new
york
city
right
where
people
can
easily
access
these
centers.
But
could
we
have
a
mobile
unit?
Could
there
be
an
interesting
way
to
integrate
a
program
like
this
into
existing
services
in
santa
fe?
H
The
other
thing
I
just
want
to
flag
is
that
the
this
new
york
city's
park
and
rec
called
the
program
because
they
have
a
program
to
pick
up
used
syringes
up
in
this
in
the
parks
and
on
the
streets
in
new
york
and
after
these
prevention
centers
opened
up.
They
got
a
call
and
said:
what's
going
on,
we
don't
we're
not
picking
up
as
many
syringes,
it's
really
weird.
H
So
it's
also
having
a
really
positive
impact
on
the
community
and
and
in
my
opinion,
a
public
safety
impact
for
our
community
and
a
public
health
impact
so
drug
checking,
I
mentioned,
thankfully,
in
our
last
legislative
session,
new
mexico,
decriminalized
drug
testing,
equipment
and
supplies
in
new
mexico.
H
Previous
to
this
year,
they
were
considered
paraphernalia
and
were,
although
they
were
a
civil
infraction
they
were
still
illegal
to
possess
and
to
give
out
now,
they're
legal,
so,
for
example,
a
fentanyl
strip
where
people
can
test
their
drugs
to
see
if
fentanyl
is
in
there
or
there
are
other
types
of
drug
checking
supplies
to
say.
Okay
did
you
actually,
I
think,
I'm
taking
methamphetamine,
but
instead
I
got
heroin
or
vice
versa.
I
will
say
that
in
looking
through
those
60
reports,
most
commonly
the
drugs
noted
were
methamphetamine
and
female.
H
So
I
think
that's
really
interesting
to
see
because
that's
been
a
real
shift
from
10
years
ago
in
the
city,
where
we
saw
much
more
an
increase
in
heroin
than
we
did
other
drugs,
so
there's
really
definitely
been
a
shift,
and
we
know
that
fentanyl
is
basically
in
almost
all
drugs
now
and
so
there's
a
real
chance
for
some
signif
real
harm.
H
We
could
distribute
supplies
so
here
again
just
some
ideas,
I'm
not
saying
this
is
what
we
should
do,
but
maybe
we
should
learn
more
about
it
and
also
I
just
want
to
share
safe
supply.
So
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
around
the
country
about
okay,
people
are
taking
drugs,
they
have
no
idea.
What's
in
it,
there's
fentanyl.
There
are,
even
you
know,
there's
carfentanil,
which
is
even
stronger.
H
There
are
other
drugs
that
xylazine,
for
example,
which
is
a
used
in
veterinary
practices
for
it's
a
horse
tranquilizer
and
it's
being
cut
into
fentanyl,
because
fentanyl
has
a
much
shorter
life
or
half-life
than
heroin
does
so
people
don't
like
that.
Their
high
is
so
short,
so
xylazine
actually
extends
that
high,
but
what
people
are
seeing
is
that
it's
causing
really
scary
skin
lesions,
not
even
in
the
places
where
people
are
injecting,
if
they're
injecting
so
we're
seeing
a
really
scary
illicit
drug
supply.
In
my
opinion,
it's
just
going
to
get
worse.
H
So
the
more
we
crack
down
on
one
substance
so,
for
example,
in
colorado.
There's
this
bill:
that's
going
through
the
legislature
there
that
will
re-felonize
fentanyl
they're,
really
targeting
fentanyl
they're
mandating
people
into
treatment,
they're,
creating
drug-induced
homicide
crimes
for
anyone
who
might
have
even
shared
a
pill
with
someone
else,
and
if
that
other
person
dies,
they
can
be
charged
with
homicide.
H
Scary
kind
of
enforcement
without
well
they're
also
putting
money
into
harm
reduction,
but
so
that's
the
irony
there,
but
I'm
scared
we're
gonna
start
seeing
a
lot
of
states
cracking
down
on
the
substance
of
the
day
right
and
so
what
happens
in
an
illicit
market?
Is
you
crack
down
on
fentanyl?
It's
whack-a-mole?
It's
like
you
press
down
on
one
part
of
the
balloon.
H
You're
gonna
see
a
bubble
come
out
so
more
dangerous
substances,
they're
gonna,
tweak
the
chemical
makeup
of
the
substances
we'll
deal
and
we're
going
to
have
another
drug
on
their
streets
that
are
more
potentially
more
dangerous.
So
there's
conversation
about
how
do
we
ensure
people
who
are
using
drugs,
get
what
they're
wanting
and
expected
to
get?
And
so
I
thought
this
was
really
interested
in
canada.
They
have
what's
called
a
compassion
club
model
where
they
bought.
H
They
obtained
street
drugs
and
they
tested
the
contents
of
those
drugs
and
they
returned
them
back
on
the
market
in
packaging
that
clearly
labeled
what
was
in
it,
so
people
felt
safe
about
what
they
were
using
and
no
death
record
occurred.
As
a
result
of
that,
I
thought
that
was
a
really
interesting
innovative
way.
You
may
have
heard
of
heroin
assisted
treatment
in
other
countries.
Again
being
you
know,
this
is
a
model
of
decades
where
people
are
given
prescription
grade
heroin
and
they
come
into
a
clinical
setting.
H
They
know
what
they're
getting
their
social
supports
are
wrapped
around
that
person
and
you
see
a
decline
in
the
negative
impacts
of
purchasing
in
dark
alleys
using
potential.
You
know,
drug
equipment
that
might
give
you
a
communicable
disease,
violence
that
occurs
in
an
illicit
market
or
and
or
drugs
that
you
don't
know
what
is
in
it.
So
something
to
just
think
about
around.
H
The
other
thing
I
just
want
to
know
is
that
the
star
means
that
these
were
issues
that
we
talked
about
in
our
municipal
drug
strategy
task
force.
So
this
is
not
new.
These
are
ideas
that
also
came
out
from
our
focus
groups
in
our
listening
sessions
with
community,
so
just
to
go
back
supervised
consumption
spaces
did,
as
did
drug
testing
and
safe
supply,
not
naloxone
availability,
again
something
we're
doing,
but
can
we
increase
access,
preventative
health
care
and
service
delivery?
H
Again,
people
aren't
many
people
lack
the
access
to
health
care
resources
and
again,
I
think
we're
doing
this
in
santa
fe.
But
can
we
expand
it?
Can
we
coordinate
it?
These
were
conversations
we
had
at
our
drug
task,
force,
emergency
housing
and
access
to
personal
hygiene
facilities.
I
shared
about
the
hygiene
unit.
I
think
we've
done
a
great
job,
the
purchase
of
the
hotel
on
saint
francis
that
was
much
more
supportive
housing
people
could
live
there,
even
if
they
were
active
users.
H
I'm
going
to
go
real,
quick
here,
because
I
know
I
put
so
much
in
here,
but
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
the
tactical
ways
that
law
enforcement,
police,
drugs
and
one
is
those
no
knock
warrant.
So
you
know
brianna
taylor,
for
example.
You
know
she
died
because
of
a
no
knock
warrant.
She
and
she
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
the
reason
the
police
broke
down
the
door.
H
Her
boyfriend
was
terrified,
had
a
gun
in
the
you
know,
lawful,
possession
of
a
firearm,
and
she
was
killed
in
that
in
that
raid
law
enforcement
often
use
militarized
equipment
and
swat
teams
to
do
that,
so
lots
of
communities
around
the
country
are
talking
about.
How
do
we
do?
We
really
need
the
use
of
heavily
armed
units
and
local
police
to
go
into
someone's
home
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
just
to
make
sure
we're
getting
evidence
for
a
drug
crime
right?
Why
are
we
putting
individuals
at
harm
that
live
in
that
home?
H
Who
might
be
visiting
that
home
or
neighbors?
There
was
a
case
in
new
mexico
where
southern
new
mexico
years
ago
it
was
about
a
drug
raid
and
law
enforcement,
threw
a
grenade
into
one
of
the
rooms
and
there
were
babies
in
cribs
there
and
harmed
them.
So
again,
I
think
we
need
to
ask
under
what
circumstances
do
we
need
militarized
equipment
and
swat
teams?
H
Maybe
if
someone's
you
know
at
dangerous
need
and
harm
may
occur,
I
don't
know,
but
do
we
need
to
use
them
to
obtain
evidence
for
a
drug
crime?
So
thankfully,
santa
fe
has
banned
no
knock
warrants
in
all
cases.
Not
only
for
drug
warrants,
that's
fabulous,
but
I
think
it
could
go
a
step
further
in
thinking
about
quick,
knock
raids.
So,
even
if
the
law
says
you
have
to
knock
and
announce
well,
how
long
does
that
officer
have
to
wait
before
they
bust
down
the
door?
H
So
thinking
about
like
reasonable
waiting
times
could
be
an
interesting
reform
to
look
at
so
that
wait.
You
have
to
wait
40
seconds
or
you
have
to
wait
60
seconds
before
you
knock
an
announce
or
before
you
actually
enter
the
premise
and
there's
a
great
bill
in
congress.
Right
now
that
deals
with
the
execution
of
search
warrants,
knock
and
announce
requirements
and
the
use
of
militia
militarized
equipment
and
swat
team.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
really
interesting
models
out
there
again.
H
Looking
at
budgetary
items
when
it
comes
to
public
safety
and
public
health,
you
know-
and
I
know
that
we
can
access
some
of
that
data.
But
if,
if
we
could
house
some
of
this
information
in
one
place,
we
create
a
culture
of
transparency
and
where
the
public
has
an
idea
of
where
we're
focusing
our
public
health
and
our
public
safety
resources.
H
So
those
are
that's
a
lot.
I
wanted
to
throw
the
whole
kitchen
sink
at
all
of
you.
I
wanted
us
to
start
thinking
about
like
what
policing
of
drugs
means
for
our
community
and
what
some
of
those
alternatives
could
be,
how
we
might
be
able
to
build
out
some
health
supports
so
that
we
don't
have
our
public
safety
system
responding
to
what
is
otherwise
a
health
issue.
H
So
I
just
want
to
note
that
I
hope
our
community
engagement
process
touches
on
some
of
these
issues
so
that
we
can
hear
from
our
community
about
what
they
think
is
the
best
way
to
deal
with
drug
use
and
problematic
drug
use
and
possession
in
our
city.
H
What
other
additional
information
or
research
would
be
helpful
for
this
task
force
if
we're
going
to
be
ultimately
making
recommendations
in
this
area-
and
you
know
what
topics
that
I
you
know
of
those
I
presented
today.
Are
you
all
interested
in
exploring
and
hearing
from
experts
on
so
we
can?
I
can
build
out
that
panel
and
or
are
there
other
issues
that
you
felt
I
didn't
touch
on
that
should
be
included.
So
thanks
for
hearing
that
out
and
I'm
gonna
stop
my
screen
and
we
can
have
a
conversation.
If
there
are
questions.
B
Well,
that
was
an
awesome
report,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Are
there
any
questions
or
comments
for
emily.
D
Yes,
okay,
bruce
I'm
sorry
I'm
in
the
dark
here,
but
I
guess
my
body
isn't
lighting
up
the
room
enough.
I
just
disagree
with
some
of
the
points
I
brought
up,
especially
in
the
beginning
talking
about
law
enforcement,
responding
to
people
passed
out
at
the
wheel
or
people
that
are
seen
doing
drugs
or
alcohol
in
the
vehicle.
D
Now
what
do
you
have?
You
have
a
person
driving
around
that's
intoxicated
endangering
the
public.
So
if,
in
that
incident
in
georgia
with
the
officer
that
shot
and
killed
at
they
were
dealing
with
that
subject
for
close
to
45
minutes,
he
was
passed
out
at
a
wendy's
drive-up
window
wendy's
called
they
were
in
the
complaint.
They
were
dealing
with
this
guy
for
for
close
to
45
minutes.
D
I
I
studied
this
skate
because
I
I
still
trained
police
officer
security
officers,
so
we
still
have
to
deal
with
this
type
of
issue
anyway.
They
as
soon
as
they
started
to
put
their
handcuffs
on
that's
when
he
realized
that
he
was
going
to
go
to
jail
for
dui.
D
D
To
deal
with
this
guy,
no,
if
you
send
a
social
worker
out
there
to
deal
with
the
man
you
know
like
I
said
if
the
guy
becomes
violent
or
if
a
woman
becomes
violent.
I
had
the
same
issue
happened
to
me
personally
on
jaguar
about
three
years
ago
and
I'm
walking
my
dogs
down
jaguar
and
there's
there's
a
woman
passed
out
on
in
the
vehicle,
and
I
kind
of
questioned
her.
D
I
said
ma'am,
you,
okay
and
she
kind
of
was
swearing,
her
words,
so
I
immediately
knew
she
was
not
a
bright
mind
either
on
drugs
or
alcohol
or
and
I'm
trying
to
find
out
if
she's
sick,
maybe
she
needs
medical
assist.
So
when
I
called
it
in,
I
called
in
the
plate,
the
vehicle,
description
etc,
and
I
called
it
in
you
might
have
a
medical
assist
here.
Well,
apparently,
there
have
been
previous
calls
because
she
took
off
before
law
enforcement.
D
Arrived
three
squads
were
right
there,
so
I
didn't
follow
up
on
the
case,
but
I'm
thinking
they
already
had
a
cue
on
this
vehicle
being
someone
that
might
be
driving
intoxicated
so
you
just
and
that
person
took
off
hopefully-
and
I
didn't
read
anything
about
it,
but
that
person
did
not
cause
anybody
to
be
injured.
H
However,
I
think
you
know
the
alternative
response
unit
here
in
santa
fe
is
already
sort
of
dealing
with
those
same
types
of
questions,
and
I
think
what
they
shared
with
us
is.
You
know
calling
for
backup
if
they
needed
it,
but
oftentimes,
I
think
more
likely
than
not
that
person
does
respond
to
a
team
of
trained
professionals
that
can
de-escalate
the
situation
and
figure
out.
So
I
just
and.
D
You
don't
want,
you,
don't
want
somebody
being
violent
with
a
social
worker,
an
emt
you
have
to
have
somebody
there
trained.
That
can
deal
with
somebody
that
becomes
viable
because.
H
My
understanding
of
our
aru
now
is
that
they
actually
don't
have
a
law
enforcement.
They
started
with
two
different
types
of
teams:
one
team
had
law
enforcement
and
one
didn't
and
what
they
found
is
actually
they're,
having
better
outcomes
with
having
the
unit
that
does
not
have
the
officer
on,
but
can
call
it
a
backup
if
they
need
it,
because
people
tend
to
actually
get
more
aggravated
or
potentially
violent
because
of
law
enforcement,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
that
fear.
H
I
mean,
I
think
that
case
we
talked
about
the
man
who
ran
in
home
depot
because
they've
never
been
in
any.
You
know,
never
been
approached
by
law
enforcement
or
been
got
terribly.
You
know
upset
anyways,
I'm
just
saying
that
there
are
alternative
ways
where
it's
not
just
a
law
enforcement
officer,
responding
and
therefore
arresting
the
other
thing
is,
did
that
person
need
to
get
arrested,
so
maybe
law
enforcement.
H
E
D
Actually,
actually
monica
I'm
not
because
I'm
from
illinois,
I
know
a
lot
of
people
are,
but
the
new
mexico,
I'm
learning.
In
fact
I
learned
stuff
from
you
today
I
didn't
know
I
didn't
know
assault
was
a
petty
offense,
that's
less
than
six
months
in
jail.
How
about
an
aggravated
assault?
Does
that
kick
it
off
so.
E
D
There's
a
weapon
involved
right
now.
I
just
have
a
problem
with
calling
citizens
to
respond
to
a
vehicle,
because
that
and
that's
the
one
I'm
targeting
out
it's
a
vehicle.
That's
involved
that
the
person
that
is
doing
drugs
or
alcohol
or
combination
of
both
is
in
control
of
because,
if,
if
they
leave
with
that
vehicle
and
then
hurt
and
kill
somebody,
you
know
I
go
by
that
that
shrine
every
day
on
surreals
those
two
small
girls
that
were
killed.
D
D
As
far
as
I
guess,
I'm
pigeonholing
that
part,
but
I
agree
with
you
emily
that
aru
unit
will
decrease,
in
my
opinion,
use
of
force
incidence
because
you
will
have
professionals
there
professional
being
the
the
caseworker
psychologists
who
can
who
is
better
apt
to
deal
with
mental
health
issues
and
just
to
be
able
to
talk
to
them
better.
H
Yeah,
no
absolutely,
and
I
I
appreciate
that
verse,
because
I
think
the
conversation
we
should
have
with
our
community
and
ask
the
question
is
what
types
of
things
should
be
appropriate
for
a
police
response
and
what
things
shouldn't
be
right,
and
so
I
think
that's
an
exa.
Why
I'm
bringing
up
these
examples
of
us
starting
to
think
through
as
a
group,
but
also
asking
those
questions
to
our
community
and
our
experts
on
what
what
could
have
been
an
alternative
response?
H
A
G
I
just
want
to
say
that
a
police
officer
coming
to
a
vehicle
when
someone
is
not
at
their
best
is
a
trigger
a
regular
person
coming
to
someone
that
looks
like
they.
They
are
just
a
regular
person.
The
response
is
gonna,
be
different.
I'll
give
you
a
perfect
example.
G
Last
night
I
went
to
walgreens
and
there
were
three
people
around
this
guy
that
was
passed
out
on
the
side
of
the
road.
He
was
telling
them
to
f
off.
They
were
trying
to
help
him,
but
he
was
telling
them
f
off.
I
came,
and
I
wasn't
I
was
dressed
in
warm-ups
and
I
said
to
the
man
laying
on
the
side
of
the
road
who
was
intoxicated
he
opened
up
and
said.
G
I
have
cirrhosis
of
the
liver
and
I
just
took
some
drugs
and
I
I
need
assistance
and-
and
I
and
I
want
to
say
that
our
triggers
trigger
us
to
behave
and
respond
to
people
in
law
enforcement
based
on
our
experiences
or
what
we
know
to
be
true.
So
I
want
to
go
back
to
a
regular
person
responding
to
someone
on
the
side
of
the
road
that
is
intoxicated
or
is
has
drugs
in
their
system.
G
The
chances
are
are
higher
that
someone
is
going
to
see
you
as
a
human
being.
That
cares
and
the
words
that
come
out
out
of
our
mouth
are
going
to
be
of
compassion
and
they're,
going
to
hear
the
compassion,
even
if
a
police
officer
was
trying
to
be
compassionate.
G
Second
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
we
have
to
be
very.
We
have
to
be
very
decisive
on
what
community
comes
to
answer
these
questions,
and
I
want
to
say
this,
because
if
we
get
community
members
that
have
had
experiences
in
their
families
that
have
dis
connected
with
their
family
members
that
come
from
drug
and
alcohol
abuse,
they're
not
gonna,
they're
not
gonna,
come
with
an
open
mind
to
have
some
updated
ways
of
responding
to
this
behavior
and
those
that
come
from
understanding.
G
A
Thank
you,
mary
louise
go
ahead,
marcella
and
then
renee.
Thank
you
all.
F
Thank
you,
emily
that
was
so
thorough
and
sobering,
but
also
exciting
about
some
of
the
really
compassionate
ways
that
cities
and
counties
are
dealing
with
this
across
the
country
and
the
globe,
and
so
it
it
just.
It
really
opens
up
possibilities
but
kind
of
piggy
bank
piggybacking.
On
what
mary
louise
was
saying.
I
I
wonder
if
you
have
information-
and
I
know
that
we're
not
going
to
base
our
recommendations
on
polling
certainly,
but
can
you
just
broadly
speak
to
the
support
for
these
kinds
of
programs
in
new
mexico.
F
Was
it
really
hard?
I
mean
it's
not
lost
on
me
that
places
the
places
like
new
york
with
these
two
centers
are
rare,
and
so
is
that
because
there's
a
big
pushback
by
community
by
police
by
is
it?
Is
it
and
or
is
there
in
an
open-ended
way,
really
support
for
this?
Are
people
looking
for
these
creative
solutions
and
what
seems
to
be
very
reasonable
and
sensible
solutions
to
this
public
health
issue.
H
Yeah
great
question
martha,
so
I
mean
yes,
we've
done
polling
nationally
and
locally
on
some
of
these
issues.
I
think
in
general
we
see
majority
support
to
treat
drug
use
and
possession
as
a
health
issue
and
not
a
criminal
issue.
I
think
where
you
start
seeing
variations
is
in
the
details
right.
However,
in
new
mexico
we
see
majority
support
for
these
types
of
overdose
prevention,
centers
and
in
fact
there
was
a
bill
that
moved
through
the
legislature.
A
few
years
ago
it
went
it
passed
the
house
with
bipartisan
support.
H
It
went
over
to
the
senate
and
got
caught
in
senate
judiciary,
along
with,
as
monica
and
marcel
know,
everything
else,
we're
working
on
and
representative
armstrong.
W
armstrong
was
a
champion
for
that.
We
have
been
educating
our
legislature
on
this
specific
program
for
now
eight
years,
so
many
of
those
legislative
members
are
very
knowledgeable
about
how
this
could
be
implemented
in
communities
across
mexico.
H
I
will
say
that
the
bill
basically
authorized
local
communities
to
open
up
programs
like
this,
so
it
gave
the
local
community
the
ability
to
decide
whether
it
was
right
for
their
community
or
not,
but
it
gave
department
of
health
the
ability
to
provide,
supports
and
services
rhode
island.
I
will
note,
has
done
that
they've
passed
a
statewide
bill
authorizing.
H
So,
yes,
I
think
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
support.
Where
I
will
say
there
has
been
some
pushback
is
because
of
under
our
former
administration.
H
The
department
of
justice
said
they
were
not
legal,
be
under
the
what's
called
the
crack
house
statute.
So
they
said
that
because
people
were
allowing
illicit
substances
to
be
to
come
into
a
space
and
to
be
consumed
that
that
was
illegal
under
federal
law.
There
was
there's
a
big
lawsuit
about
that
safe
house
in
philadelphia
actually
was
the
first
community
to
try
to
open
up
a
site
like
this
many
years
ago,
so
they're
in
a
federal
under
federal
litigation.
H
However,
what
we're
hearing
is
the
department
of
justice.
The
current
administration's
department
of
justice
is
much
more
friendly
and
we're
good
and
look
nothing's
happened
in
new
york
so
far
right,
the
feds
haven't
come
in
and
shut
it
down,
so
local
communities,
I
think,
are
feeling
a
little
bit
less
concerned
about
opening
up
something
like
this
and
so
we're
gonna
see
california
there's
similar
legislation.
H
I
will
also
say
that
these
sites
have
been
operating
underground
for
decades
right.
They
just
haven't
been
legally
sanctioned
sites,
and
so
we
know
that
they
work,
and
so
I
think
it's
time
for
us
to
think
about
what
we
could
do
at
a
city
level
that
could
replicate
the
things
that
have
worked
elsewhere,
but
I
I
will
note
that
santa
fe
is
a
small
community.
H
You
know
would
this
be
a
program
that
would
be
more
utilized
by
our
unhoused
population
who
can't
use
drugs
in
the
shelter?
So
many
of
those
people
were
you
know
we
hear
the
community
getting
so
frustrated
because
people
are
camping
on
harrison
road.
Well,
many
of
those
people
are
camping
on
harrison
road
because
they
are
using
substances
that
they
are
dependent
on
and
they
cannot
go
into
the
shelter
and
use
there,
and
so
I
think
you
know
I'm
just
throwing
that
idea
out.
H
I
don't
know,
but
maybe
that's
a
community
that
could
be
best
served
by
a
program
like
this.
So
I
think
that
many
of
our
community
members
are
supportive.
It's
it's
just
taken
a
while
to
get
sort
of
the
political
will
and
the
comfort
to
open
them.
F
I
would
I
would
just
comment
that,
based
on
what
you're
saying
I
mean
it's
the
same
with
like
restorative
justice
or
transformative
or
diversion
programs,
people
in
focus
groups
can
or
in
polling,
can
express
a
desire
for
a
change.
A
significant
change,
but
are
just
don't,
have
the
information
about
what
programs
they're
actually
looking
for
right,
because
there's
not
our
culture
does
not
our
public
culture.
The
public
discourse
doesn't
allow
for
a
lot
of
that
information.
F
So
I'm
really
glad
that
we
opened
up
these
meetings
to
the
public
and
to
our
other
counselors
to
other
folks
at
the
city.
I
wish
more
were
participating
and
present,
but
I
also
think
that
it
means
that,
as
we
develop
recommendations,
we
have
our
work
cut
out
for
us
in
being
able
to
really
help
the
general
community
understand.
F
A
Thanks,
thank
you
both,
I
believe
renee
was
next
and
then
monica
holla
puppy.
C
C
How
bruce
interprets
this,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
share
the
same
viewpoint
that
we
wouldn't
want
somebody
to
be
in
a
car
whether
they
made
a
decision
to
use
drugs
or
not,
and
then
hope
that
they
don't
drive
and
hurt
somebody
else.
So
I
guess
I'm
curious
in
your
models
or
what
you've
seen
as
the
alternative
response
who,
who,
how
would
then
I
mean
one
was
like
someone
else,
would
respond
alternative
unit
people
that
look
different,
that
weren't
enough
weren't
officers?
C
C
What?
If
what
would
you
respond
to
because
he's
bringing
up
something
that
other
people
would
say
in
their
community,
the
same
exact
thing
like?
Why
would
you
do
that?
You're
gonna
hurt
any
somebody
else,
even
if
they're
in
their
own
car?
So
if
it
was
a
police
officer,
is
there
like
another
response
that
you
think
they
like
another
another
way
or
approach
to
it,
and
what
would
they
do
as
an
intervention?
Have
you
heard
of
any
other
way
to
approach
that.
H
Well,
I
mean,
I
think,
that
this
idea
around
an
alternative
response
unit
is
appropriate.
I
think
it
also
depends
on
the
case.
Right
we
have
to
like
is
someone
you
know
passed
out
or
you
know
in
a
car,
that's
running.
H
You
know
on
the
side
of
the
road
right.
That
might
be
a
very
different
situation
than
someone
who
lives
in
their
vehicle,
because
we
know
a
lot
of
people
are
unhoused
and
they're
living
in
their
vehicle
and
the
vehicle
is
parked
in
some
remote
parking
lot
and
you
know
someone's
asleep
at
the
wheel.
You
know,
I
think
that
we
have
to
just
sort
of
think
through
what
all
those
alternatives
are.
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
that.
I
I
you
know
one
of
the
things
is
we
bring
up
what
we
think
about
that.
H
I
I'd
love
to
hear
from
experts
in
other
places
what
they
would
do.
I'd
love
to
ask
sale
the
aru
here
like
are
there
you
know,
have
they
responded
to
cases
like
this?
What
would
their
recommendations
be?
I
feel
like
we
can.
H
There's
a
potential
for
harm
in
any
situation
right
any
of
the
cases
that
the
aru
goes
out
on
people
say
well
what
if
the
person
becomes
violent
or
what,
if
there's
a
weapon
or
what,
if
you
know
they're
in
a
car
and
can
drive
away.
I
think
we
need
to
think
through
that
law
enforcement
can
always
be
called
as
backup
when
there
are
indications
that
they
need
some
additional
support
because
of
potential
public
safety
risk.
So
I
mean
that's
what
I
would
say.
I
don't
have
the
answers.
H
I
don't
know
I
mean,
and
I
think
we're
traumatized
in
our
state
by
people
who
are
driving
and
are
incapacitated
in
some
sense,
whether
that's
the
lack
of
sleep,
whether
they're
on
valid
prescription
medications,
whether
that's
alcohol,
whether
that's
illicit
substances,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
serious
issue
and
I
think
our
community
is
concerned
about
it.
So
I
I
appreciate
us
being
thoughtful
for
those
types
of
calls.
C
Yeah,
I
guess
I'm
just
hoping
that
like
they'll,
be
like
oh
we'll
take
you
here,
while
you
sober
up
or
I
so
that
they're
out
of
their
car
and
they're
helping
them,
I
don't
know
I'm
not
just
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
think
of
there
has
to
be
some
other
solution
versus
being
like
you're.
Good,
just
don't
drive
your
car
and
I
don't
know,
do
you.
H
G
H
That
I
think
the
reason
the
aru
exists
is
that
there's
a
paramedic
on
scene
that
can
evaluate
that
car
could
be
just
you
know,
they
could
just
say,
take
the
keys
and
like-
and
I
mean
I
don't
know
I
don't
know-
monica
might
have
a
better
sense
because
you
deal
with
those
cases
all
the
time.
D
E
That's
wonderful
bruce
because
this
is
the
thing
that
I
will
say:
I've
experienced
officers
that
have
approached
the
issue
in
a
public
health
way
and
when
they're
approaching
what
they've
done
is
say.
Can
I
take
you
somewhere?
Where
can
I
take
you?
E
Do
you
want
to
use
my
phone,
or
can
you
use
your
phone
to
call
somebody
to
come
pick
up
the
vehicle
and
then
I
will
like
there
are
ways
that
and
again
I
want
to
say:
let's
celebrate
our
law
enforcement
officers
when
they
are
doing
when
they're
trying
to
find
alternatives
and
some
of
them
do
right.
They'll
take
you
know:
they'll
engage
with
family
members,
friends
take
that
person
to
the
sobering
center.
Take
it
take
them
to
saint
vincent's
granted.
Then
the
vehicle
gets
towed
and
there's
other
things
that
are
tied
to
that.
E
But
there
are
so
many
different
alternatives
that
people
can
engage
in
and
do
another
one
that
people
don't
think
about
a
lot
which
is
hard,
but
in
so
many
other
states
the
way
that
they've
battled
dui
is
through
the
increase
in
public
transportation.
E
It's
something
that
we
don't
really
have
here
and
it's
a
huge
huge
way
to
cut
down
on
dui
dui
deaths,
but
it's
something
that,
for
whatever
reason
our
state
doesn't
invest
in.
If
we
had
public
transportation,
reliable,
expanded
public
transportation,
I'm
pretty
sure
those
things
would
go
down
and
enforcement
would
go
down
and
officers
could
deal
with
other
things
besides
just
intoxicated
driving.
E
The
other
thing
is
that
there's
all
sorts
of
case
law
about
whether
or
not
they
have
control
of
the
vehicle
there's
so
many
people
that
live
in
their
vehicles
also
and
that's
a
defense
to
dui,
but
still
I've
had
clients
that
have
been
charged
with
dui,
where
they
weren't,
even
in
the
vehicle
when
the
officer
showed
up.
But
the
car
was
like
over
there
depending
on
where
the
vehicle
was
parked.
E
The
keys
weren't
even
in
the
ignition
there's.
So
many
little
factors
right,
but
I
think
there's
lots
of
alternatives
that
we
could
move
to,
so
that
it's
not
just
well
somebody's
passed
out
in
the
vehicle.
We
have
to
arrest
them.
C
Yeah,
I
think
that
there's
ways
again
to
communicate
it
though,
like
so
that
we're
not
saying
we
don't
want
to
deal
with
that,
because
that's
low-level
crime,
but
but
to
say
that
we
offer
alternatives
to
those
situations
and
clear
about
what
those
are
because
people
will
like
what
are
you
gonna
do
so,
I'm
just
putting
the
kind
of
out
there
like
what
what
responses
we
might
get
when
we
hear
kind
of
these
absolutely.
H
And
I
will
I
do
want
to
lift
up
that
that
one
report
I
shared
about
the
home
depot
where
they
chased
him,
they
didn't
arrest
and
actually
you
know
there
are
so
many
that
I
read
where
they
they
did
call
are
you.
They
referred
the
person
to
thrive.
They
didn't
arrest
the
individual,
so
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
really
good
outcomes
when
it
comes
to
people
who
are
struggling
with.
H
You
know,
addiction
who've
been
caught
up
with
law
enforcement
that
they
actually
you
know,
did
re,
divert
people
into
health
responses
and
didn't
so.
I
do
want
to
share
those
examples
right.
C
I
think
the
other.
The
other
thing
that
I
want
to
bring
up
is
if
we
have
a
panel
that
they
could
explain
about
the
intention
of
a
supervised
consumption,
service
provider
or
service
location,
and
you
explain
some
of
them,
but
I
guess
my
the
question
that
I
would
bring
up.
Is
that
just
to
contain
the
activities
of
that
person,
and
there
still
are
a
lot
of
overdoses
or
they're
actual?
Do
they
see
higher
levels
of
rehabilitation
of
people?
C
You
know
getting
other
wrap
around
services
so
that
they
may
find
a
pathway
to
be
for
rehabilitation.
So
I
guess
that's
my
curiosity
and
maybe
public.
The
public
would
want
to
know
like
oh
you're,
just
you're,
supporting
its
assisted
overdoses,
you're
you're,
just
by
giving
them
a
place
to
overdose
instead
of
elsewhere
out
on
the
street.
I'm
just
like
putting
that
out
there,
like
some
people,
would
probably
say
that.
C
So
I'm
just
curious
with
the
what
they're,
seeing
if
there's
anyone
in
the
panel
that
we
can
add
that
could
like
clarify
that
if
they
see
other
like,
I
guess,
success
stories
and
that
they
found
the
resources
they
needed.
And
then
there
was
a
rehabilitation.
H
Absolutely
and
we
can
get
someone
I
I
can
share
that
data
and
evidence
shows
that
there's
a
reduction
in
overdose
deaths.
There
is
an
uptake
in
other
health
services
and
wraparound
services,
and
they
are
a
bridge
oftentimes.
What
to
treatment
if
that
person
is
in
the
space
to
want
it
and
can
receive
it.
So
it's
meeting
people
where
they're
at
it
also
reduces
litter
from
drug
use
it
it
increases
public
safety
in
those
communities
and-
and
so
it's
not
just
about
a
safe
space.
H
C
C
They
also
told
us
that,
if
any
other
jurisdiction
comes
in
whether
it's
sheriffs
or
state
police
that
we
have
no
control
over,
not
allowing
them
for
no
knock
warrant
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
so
it's
just
our
officers,
so
that
to
me
is
another
piece
that
we
need
to
improve
upon
and
have
a
state
also
fallens
fall
in
line
with
that
nona
ban
and
then
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
say
it's
like
this
presentation,
if
we're
trying
to
have
counselors,
understand
the
implications
and
why
these
recommendations
for
decriminalizing,
drug
use
or
drug
sorry,
what
are
you
calling?
C
C
It's
what
I
guess,
but
what
I'm
wondering,
because
we
are
kind
of
talking
and
learning
with
ourselves
here
about
this
and
then
obviously
we
want
to
make
recommendations,
but
would
it
make
sense
to
have
this
presentation
be
at
a
quality
of
life
meeting
where
it's
recorded
and
it's
accessible
to
the
public
and
we
go,
as
you
know,
participants
to
listen
into,
but
that
they
present
to
the
quality
of
life
members
on
the
council?
This
is
just
an
idea.
I'm
just
thinking
like
some
of
these.
C
A
F
F
Don't
know
this
is
you
know,
we're
doing
our
report
and
I
don't
know
I
feel,
like
we've
opened
up
our
meetings
and
we
should
maybe
do
it
in
a
way,
that's
different,
so
that
it
can
be
public
and
that
it's
on
the
youtube.
I
just
think
that
we
should
make
them
as
accessible
as
possible
to
the
public
and
let
our
counselors
know
you
know
if
you're
interested
in
these
meetings,
if
you're
interested
in
these
and
they
can
always
watch
them
afterwards.
A
C
No,
I'm
saying
that
they
wouldn't
they
wouldn't
be
two
presentations,
it
would
be
one
and
we
would
have
instead
of
having
a
regular
meeting
we'd,
have
it
at
the
quality
of
life
meeting
so
that
that
presentation
would
actually
reach
more
people
and
it
wouldn't
be
double
work.
It
would
be
one
time
the
thing
that
I'm
saying
is
like
as
a
as
a
per
as
a
counselor.
That
has
way
too
many
meetings,
I'm
not
going
to
be
listening
to
past
meetings.
C
I
just
don't
have
time
I'd
love
to
I'd
love,
to
hear
what's
happening
in
chris's
utilities
committee
or
in
other,
like
community
related
committees,
but
I
don't
have
time
and
so-
and
I
don't
know
how
much
other
counselors,
who
don't
have
a
second
job,
do,
and
I
mean
they
say
they're
interested,
but
no
one
has
actually
followed
up
with
like
hey.
I
want
to
see
that
link
with
that
presentation,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
have
more
ex
more
people
in
tune
with
what
we're
talking
about.
C
So
when
we
make
the
recommendations,
then
they
remember
the
presentation
we
did
at
quality
of
life
and
they're
like
oh
yeah.
I
remember
that
piece.
I
don't
know
I'm
not
saying
double
work,
though
I'm
not
saying
do
it
at
a
task
force
and
then
do
it
all
to
a
quality
of
life.
Maybe
do
this,
do
it
a
quality
of
life
instead?
But
you
all
tell
me,
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
us
more
exposure
to
what
we're
talking
about.
F
Well,
part
of
maybe
what
we
should
do
is
create
a
very
a
plan,
instead
of
just
doing
it
for
the
quality
of
life.
Let's,
how
do
we
ensure
that
the
information,
because
we're
self
learning
so
we
get
to
within
our
committee,
ask
the
kinds
of
questions
that
we
want
to
ask
and
we
open
it
up
and
all
of
a
sudden
who
knows
where
these
presentations?
F
This
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
really
think
through
what
our
recommendations
are
in
conjunction
with
the,
in
conjunction
with
the
the
work
that
gabe
sanchez
is
going
to
be
doing
with
us.
F
H
Can
I
add
a
thought
on
that?
I
mean,
I
think
it
would
be
great
for
us
to
do
some
individual
invitations
to
council
members
saying
hey
on
this
date:
we're
going
to
have
expert
panels
on
these
issues,
because
at
this
point
we're
just
relying
on
them
to
look
at
the
agenda
right
on
the
website,
and
so
I
feel
like
then
there
you
know,
let's
do
some
invitations.
A
H
Make
it
a
little
bit
more
public
facing
the
work
we're
doing
and
and
maybe
we'll
get
some
more
participation.
A
Yeah
on
that
note
team
on
the
invitation
side,
which
was
something
that
I
I
think
would
be
relatively
easy
to
do,
I'm
happy
to
to
support
with
that
also
on
the
intersection
of
community
health
work
in
relation
to
other
commissions
like
the
human
services
commission,
because
they're
looking
a
lot
at
public
health,
they're,
looking
at
drug
overdose,
they're
looking
at
data
of
of
types
of
arrests
and
what
parts
in
the
community
are
the
highest
arrest
rates
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
making
an
invitation
to
those
folks
because
they
have
funds
too,
that
you
know
are
provided
via
grants
in
the
community
to
address
some
of
these
homelessness
health
issues
so
on
and
so
forth.
A
The
list
is
very
lengthy
and
it
does
intersect
with
some
of
the
things
that
even
emily's
presentation
clearly
touched
on
very
comprehensively.
So
I
can
say
that
I'm
happy
to
support
with
that
outreach
and
invitation
if
you
like
that.
Also,
there
is
typically
a
communication
plan
that
comes
that
supports
council
task
forces
that
works
with
internal
communications
department
in
the
city
of
santa
fe
that
there's
a
newsletter
that
goes
out
every.
I
forget
the
name
of
it.
There's
different
ways
that
the
city
can
you
know
communicate
to
to.
A
You
know
promote
to
the
community
about
these
meetings
about
the
presentations
that
are
coming
up
and,
of
course,
city
staff.
Support
is
critical
in
that
to
make
all
of
that
happen,
but
that's
not
hard
to
do
it's
just
having
somebody
on
the
inside
who
can
expedite
those
requests
to
be
for
the
task
force,
presentations
to
be
queued
up
in
that
calendar
or
that
featured
in
that
newsletter
or
in
that
social
media
post
or
in
the
whatever?
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
relate
that
as
well.
I'm
complete
for
now
anything
else
back
to
you,
renee
did
you
do
you
feel?
Okay.
E
So
mine
wasn't
related
to
what
we
were
just
talking
about.
It
was
from
before
so
I
just
just.
I
was
just
dotting
jotting
down
a
couple
notes.
Whenever
you
know
people
were
talking-
and
I
think
you
know
to
marcelo's
point
asking
about
the
support.
E
I
think
it's
really
reflective
of
our
state
as
a
whole
that
this
last
legislative
session
there
was
so
much
support
for
the
fentanyl
test
strips
and
the
drug
checking,
because
people
are
recognizing
how
dangerous
like
how
you
know
having
us,
how
important
how
about
this,
how
important
it
is
to
have
a
safe
supply-
and
I
think
so
so,
just
based
on
that
reflection.
E
E
It
seems
actually
like
the
next
step,
and
I
think
santa
fe
could
lead
the
way
in
in
that
regard,
so
having
somebody
really
thoughtful
to
come
and
discuss
that,
I
think
would
be
really
great,
and
I
want
to
just
stress
too,
that
we
new
mexico
decriminalized
drug
paraphernalia
in
2019,
which
means
which,
which
means
that,
if
you
have
a
syringe,
even
you,
know
a
spoon
or
another
sort
of
cook
kit
all
of
these
things.
E
These
are
all
things
that
are
no
longer
criminal
under
state
law,
the
heart
and,
and
that
has
reduced
the
amount
of
you
know,
sort
of
trash
that
may
be
around,
but
the
so.
The
sad
thing
is
is
that
the
hope
was
is
that
that
bill
would
mean
that
people
would
actually
keep
their
syringes,
meaning
they
wouldn't
try
to
get
rid
of
them,
because
one
of
the
reasons
why
they're
thrown
on
the
ground
is
because
you
can
get
arrested
for
them.
E
The
sad
part
is:
is
that
to
emily's
point
during
her
presentation
that
even
trace
amounts
so
just
a
a
dirty
syringe.
You
still
could
be
charged
with
a
felony
if
they,
if
they
test
it,
and
that
is
something
that
happens
which
still
encourages
people
to
throw
them
on
the
ground
right,
because
why?
E
Wouldn't
you
get
rid
of
something
that
you're
about
to
you
know
you
could
be
charged
with
a
felony
with,
so
I
think
that
there's
other
ways
that
we
can
look
at
this,
which
is
also
why
the
overdose
prevention
sites
are,
I
think,
very
timely
and
important
for
us
to
discuss-
and
I
just
also
wanted
to
reiterate
a
really
big
point-
that
is,
is
sort
of
nuanced-
that
there
is
data
that
shows
that
that
these
types
of
sites
actually
reduce
the
amount
of
partner
violence.
E
So
you
know
domestic
violence
that
occurs
between
two
people
that
both
use
drugs.
A
lot
of
women
rely
sometimes
on
their
partners
to
help
them
inject.
They
don't
have
to
do
that
anymore
and
they
can
go
to
a
facility
and
actually
receive
medical
care,
a
variety
of
other
things,
and
it
reduces
the
incidence
of
partner,
violence
and
being
and
also
being
reliant
on
your
partner
for
those
things.
So.
F
E
So
many
good
things
about
these
facilities
that
I
think
could
be
uniquely
useful
and
helpful
for
our
community
here
in
new
mexico.
So
I
would
love
to
hear
from
those
folks
and
I'd
also
like
to
say
that
there
are
so
many
case
managers
and
they
shall
rename
they
shall
remain
nameless
or
nameless
in
this
situation.
E
That
do
in
fact,
assist
people
using
drugs,
help
them
identify
good
veins,
get
give
them
medical
care
and
to
emily's
point
about
that.
These
things,
these
sort
of
sites
are
already
occurring,
it'd,
be
wonderful
if
they
could
have
additional
funding
and
support
and
sort
of
official
support,
so
they're
not
just
operating
in
the
fringes.
H
Thanks
monica
so
yeah
I'd
love,
I'm
happy
to
work
on
experts
for
all
those
issues.
Are
there
any
others
that
you
know
the
tactical
piece
is
also
you
know
around.
You
know:
renee
brought
up
the
expanding
the
ban
on
no
knock
warrants
to
be
a
little
bit
more
broad
and
and
maybe
a
little
bit
more
specific
in
what's
allowed
and
what's
not
so
I'm
happy
to
bring
experts
in
that.
H
H
No,
no.
The
chief
was
really
awesome
about
helping
get
this
data
so.
D
Our
new
chief
is
an
awesome
guy.
I've
had
some
conversations,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
it
on
facebook
at
all,
but
they
had
a
meet
and
greet
at
the
starbucks
by
the
primary
home
on
the
south
side,
starbucks
and
cereals
near
that
walmart
near
highway,
and
they
must
have
had
six
or
seven
police
officers
there.
The
chief
was
there
one
or
two
other
people
were
there
when
I
went
so,
nobody
was
really
there
to
meet
and
greet
these
these
officers.
D
Maybe
if
they
do
that
in
the
future,
some
of
us
may
think
about
going
to
those
events
and
speaking
some
of
these
officers
about
concerns
or
stuff.
But
I
talked
to
the
chief
for
a
little
bit
and
what
I
visited
and-
and
I
I
got
a
good
feeling
about
chief
joy
he's.
I
think
he
truly
cares.
D
H
Thank
you
bruce,
and
these
are
complicated
conversations
to
have,
and
you
know
I
hope
it
didn't
come
across
that
I
was
blaming
law
enforcement
for
their
actions.
I
just
think
that
these
were
examples
for
us
to
think
about.
Like
you
know,
maybe
law
enforcement
wouldn't
want
to
be
the
responder
to
someone
throwing
up
and
using
drugs
and
then
having
to
deal
with
it
right
they
may
say
these
are
I'd
rather
be
dealing
with
other
types
of
issues.
H
This
is
not
appropriate,
so
I
appreciate
brucy
bringing
up
also
just
you
know
what
the
dui
issue
and
how
that
gets
woven
into
these
conversations.
Just.
D
To
comment
on
what
you
just
said,
the
reason
I
went
to
a
to
a
railroad
to
be
a
law
enforcement
officer
is
because,
when
I
was
going
through
school,
I
was
hearing
all
about
domestics
and
dealing
with,
and
I'm
saying
to
myself,
I'm
not
a
psychologist.
How
am
I
going
to
respond
to
these
calls,
and
I
just
I
I
felt
that
a
better
path
for
me
with
what
I
knew
that
I
think
law
enforcement
should
be
involved
in
was
I
dealt
mostly
all
with
property
crimes
in
the
working
with
railroad.
D
So
I
I
agree
with
you:
there's
a
lot
of
calls
and
issues
that
law
enforcement
doesn't
want
to
respond
to
and
and
really
aren't
trained
to
in
you
know
in
the
majority
of
them
are
the
mental
health
issues.
D
D
You
know
if
you
have
a
need,
maybe
they
they
mix
and
match
it,
but
obviously
psychologist
really
always
has
to
be
there,
because
if
you're
dealing
with
that
type
of
situation,
you
need
somebody
that
has
expertise
in
dealing
with
somebody.
That's
in
need
of
that
type
of
care,
so
I'm
done
counselor.
Thank
you.
B
Emily
I
had
a
I
guess
after
you
were
talking
about
the
the
suicides
and
the
number
of
deaths
besides
drugs.
Is
there
any
data
out
there?
That's
showing
that
narcan
is
actually
working
and
is
effective.
I
hear
some
stories,
but
the
overall
picture
is
it.
Is
it
doing
what
everyone
thinks
it's
supposed
to
be
doing.
H
Great
question
department
of
health
collects
data
on
how
many
reversals
overdose
reversals
were
achieved
by
by
the
distribution
of
naloxone
out
of
their
program.
So
there's
that
data.
I
think
we
could
ask
our
own
law
enforcement
officers
who
now
carry
naloxone.
E
H
It's
been
helpful
in
their
interactions,
so
I
mean,
I
think
evidence
does
point
to
it
being
incredibly
effective.
So
it's
it's
definitely
saved
many
many
lives,
but
we
can
try
to
get
that
data.
That's
a
little
more
detailed.
We
could
even
ask
if
the
department
of
health
would
come
and
do
a
presentation
on
their
programs
and
their
data
specific
to
santa
fe
county.
Maybe
one
of
their
epidemiologists
would
do
that.
B
And
I
wonder
if
the
cases
were
there
where
it
has
been
used
if
they
reverse
it
and
then
take
them
to
the
hospital
and
then
take
them
to
jail?
B
I
wonder
if
that's
the
kind
of
circle
of
how
it's
all
working
out,
I
imagine
with
fentanyl
and
some
of
those
other
synthetic
opioids
that
you
know,
one
dose
may
not
take
care
of
it
and
they
may
need
more
doses
later
on
so,
but
I
wonder
where
they
end
up
after.
H
Well,
there
is
one
tragic
case:
I
know
we're
so
overtime,
but
a
young
woman
who
experienced
an
overdose
was
provided.
Naloxone
was
taken
to
the
hospital
was
then
booked
into.
I
think
the
juvenile
detention
center
and
naloxone
can
wear
off
and
the
staff
didn't
identify
it
and
she
unfortunately
passed
as
a
result
of
and
so
yeah
there's
a
whole
other
conversation
about
harm
reduction
and
treatment.
In
the
correctional
system.
H
We
haven't
talked
about
all
those
people
who
can't
get
treatment
in
jail
and
who
detox
in
jail,
or
the
reason
that
suboxone
is
often
in
jail
is
because
people
use
it
so
that
they
don't
have
to
detox
and
the
increased
overdose
death
rates
when
they
get
released
from
jail
because
they
use
what
they
my
name
is.
I
mean
there's
so
many
that's
a
whole
other
very
complicated
and
important
conversation.
H
B
B
Oh
and
before
we
leave,
I
just
want
to
say
one
more
thing:
council
wendell
did
approach
me
on
arbor
day
when
went
on
the
plaza
and
said
that
she
had
looked
over
the
information.
B
Had
sent
over
and
she
found
it
very
interesting,
she
said
she
was
surprised
at
how
much
they
were
able
to
do
so.
She
she
did
look
at
it,
or
at
least
she
mentioned
it.
So
she's,
the
only
one,
I've.
E
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
everyone,
so
next
meeting
what
matters
from
the
task
force
just
to
check
in
see
if
anybody
has
anything
go
ahead.
C
Go
ahead.
Randy
just
want
to
remind
our
policies
and
practices
working
group
that
we're
having
our
follow-up
meeting
with
the
community
health
and
safety
department's
director
and
also
chiefs
joy
and
moya
as
a
follow-up
to
our
request
for
information
and
data
that
we
asked
at
the
end
of
january.
C
B
A
Great,
thank
you.
Everyone
and
our
next
meeting
is
the
17
hold
on
one.
Second,
I
just
want
to
check
mary,
louise
okay,
great
there
you
are
my
dear
any.
I
thought
I
saw.
I
can't
go
up
in
my
little
participant
window.
No
we're
good!
Okay,.
C
Awesome,
what's
our
presentation
for
sorry,
what's
the
meeting
date
may
yeah
17
at
5
30
and
I'm
I
was
trying
to
remember
who
was
who
was
our
presentation,
who
was
scheduled
for
our
presentation.
A
Yeah
give
me
I'm
gonna
open
that,
but
I
think
it's
fine
and.
A
Two
there
you
are
too
many
documents
open.
Okay,
so
next
is
sorry
still
loading.
I'm
gonna
take
myself
a
video,
because
my
wi-fi
is
a
little
spotty
right
now,
one
second,
there
we
go
now.
It's
working
scrolling
scrolling
scrolling.
We
have
may
17th.
Oh,
we
had
a
placeholder
for
ithaca
chris.
Just
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
us
chris
chris,
but
I
think
monica
you
said
that
perhaps
if
that
didn't
work
out,
you
would
be
able
to
present
at
that
time.
A
E
A
A
Okay,
so
we
can
check
in
by
the
end
of
the
week
and
if
I
will
follow
up
with
folks
via
email,
if
that's
confirmed,
if
that
isn't
confirmed,
then
that
space
is
open.
Should
anyone
like
to
move
up
their
presentation
to
may
17th
or
have
it
be
a
working
session
for
everyone
beautiful
anything
else
co-chairs
before
we
sign
off
or
team
in
general?
A
G
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
guys
are
real.
I
want
to
know
that
you're
real
renee
in
person
chris
in
person
and
marcella.
Those
are
the
only
people,
so
I
don't
know
if
you're
real,
I
wanna,
I
wanna
hug
you
to
see
if
it's
you're
real.
C
We
have
places
to
do
it
where
we
have
technology
where
people
can
still
listen
in
if
we
need
to
at
the
city
there's
a
space.
I
was
thinking
about
that
we
could
have
a
meeting
and
if
there
were
some
people
that
maybe
want
or
had
to
be
remote
for
whatever
reason
or
virtual,
we
could
do
that
and
then
the
public
could
also
be
virtual,
so
think
about
that.
Okay,.
A
Beautiful
so
I
think
chris
stepped
away
well,
I
feel
weird
closing
out
without
girl.
That's.