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Description
The Santa Fe Community Health and Safety Task Force.
A
Health
and
safety
oops
gotta
wait
for
the
recording
sorry.
This
is
the
regular
meeting
for
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force
for
May.
I
can't
believe
it's
May
May
16
2023
and
we're
starting
our
meeting
at
5
34
and
just
welcome
everybody
to
another
fun
day
with
us
at
the
task
force.
We
let's
get
a
let's
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
Roll
Call.
B
C
A
E
A
A
F
B
A
You
Valeria
all
right.
Moving
on
to
the
next
item.
We
have
I
think
for
the
interest
of
time
we're
gonna,
move
the
communications
from
co-chairs
and
staff
I'd
like
to
start
with
presentations
just
given
our
time.
So,
let's
we
have
a
couple
folks
and
and
in
our
agenda
we
actually
didn't
have
all
the
names
before
we
we
actually
had
to
put
in
the
agenda.
So
I
don't
know
if
Marcela
wanted
to
do
introductions
or
who,
who
was
the
best
person
to
introduce
our
guests.
E
I'll
introduce
these
guests
and
then
Mary
Louise
will
introduce
Bruce,
Kittle
from
and
and
he'll
do
and
so
they're
each
gonna
do
about
10
minutes
and
then
we'll
do
some
q,
a
I
said
that
we
would
really
try
to
get
both
of
these
panelists
into
45
minutes.
We
are
inviting
the
San
Francisco
pre-trial
diversion
project
as
another
good
example.
To
add
to
the
other
examples
that
we
had
last
week
of
a
community-based,
very
robust,
Community
Based,
with
lots
of
Community
Partners
in
San
Francisco,
and
this
is
a
pre-trial
program.
E
E
I
know
you
have
a
really
long
list
of
slides
and
I
know
that
you're
not
going
to
actually
go
through
all
of
them
and
I
would
just
ask
that
you
really
stick
to
high
level
for
us
as
we
move
forward,
and
then
we
have
your
slides
and
because
we're
not
actually
developing
programs
we're
making
recommendations
on
how
the
city
can
partner
honor
with
others
to
start
developing
diversion,
as
well
as
restorative
justice
infrastructure,
which
is
sorely
lacking
in
our
city.
At
this
point,
so
thank
you.
H
Thank
you
Monica.
Do
you
want
to
pull?
Oh
you
got
it
of
course,
and
again
just
want
to
introduce
Monica
our
senior
director
of
programs,
and
my
name
is
David
I'm,
the
CEO
and
I'll
just
get
started
and
my
part's
going
to
be
much
quicker
because
Monica
is
just
it
handles
the
program
piece
and
I
think
that'll
be
more
insightful.
H
Please
stop
us
jump
in
wherever
it's
helpful
to
ask
questions
so,
just
in
general,
San
Francisco
pre-trial
diversion
project
we've
been
around
for
47
years,
we're
a
non-profit,
community-based
pre-trial
Services
Agency.
So
we
are
completely
independent
of
the
justice
system
in
the
sense
that
we're
not
a
city
agency,
we're
not
a
law
enforcement
agency.
We
receive
funding
and
you
can
go
ahead.
Monica
try
to
go
through
these
quickly.
H
H
Five
times
we
started
with
about
a
three
million:
a
two
and
a
half
million
dollar
budget
and
about
30
people
in
2018
and
now
we're
up
to
12
million
dollar
budget
and
over
our
approaching
100
staff
and
a
lot
of
that's
just
a
reflection
of
all
the
Baylor
form,
that's
happening
in
California,
but
also
the
the
intensity
of
the
population
we
serve.
Here's
here
are
sources
of
funding
a
bulk,
the
largest
bulk
of
our
funding,
come
from
the
sheriff's
office,
but
we
also
get
funding
from
across
all
these
different
streams.
H
H
You
know
for
all
of
you
that
have
been
in
this
world.
The
line
items
are
very
detailed
and
we
can't
really
deviate,
but
then,
when
we
get
donations
from
at
the
Chris
Larson
fund
and
San
Francisco
foundation,
and
things
like
that,
that's
where
we're
able
to
give
more
flexibility
ability
and
be
creative,
and
one
of
the
things
we
have
focused
on
is
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
compensating
our
staff.
H
You
know
as
I'm
sure
you're
all
aware
of
San
Francisco
is
incredibly
expensive,
so
we've
worked
really
hard
to
create
a
benefits
and
compensation
package.
It's
not
quite
on
the
same
level
as
the
City
and
County
of
San
Francisco,
just
because
they
have
such
a
rich
retirement
package.
But
staff
have
left
and
gone
to
the
city
and
come
back
because
they
realize
that
their
their
paychecks
are
smaller,
getting
back
to
the
board
there
Monica.
So
the
board
is
comprised
of
a
broad
range
of
stakeholders.
H
Some
of
these
folks,
for
example,
Doc
and
Jerry
they're,
involved
their
neighborhood
courts
program.
We
have
former
client,
we
have
people
lived
experience,
you
know
again,
we
really
try
to
work
hard
to
make
sure
our
agency
reflects
the
community
that
we
serve
and
this
board
is
engaged
and
involved,
and
they
we
work
with
them
day
to
day,
and
it's
just
it's
just
a
great
group
and
and
we're
proud
of
of
the
folks
that
have
been
that
have
been
serving
us
at
this
level
and
then
the
next
slide
is
just
you
know.
H
As
you
reference,
we
have
a
lot
of
Partnerships
in
San
Francisco,
and
this
isn't
even
all
of
them.
At
one
point,
we
counted
we
partner
with
about
120
different
agencies,
and
that
is
a
reflection
of
the
robust
nature
of
the
services
in
San
Francisco.
But
what
I'll
tell
you?
If
there's
one
challenge,
we
have
it's
the
reality
that
we
don't
have
enough
services
for
our
clients,
we're
significant
lacking
in
housing
and
also
particularly
around
inpatient
and
treatment
programs,
residential
treatment
for
Behavioral,
Health,
mental
illness
and
substance
use.
H
So
that's
you
know,
that's
a
place
where
we
could.
We
could
use
more
resources
and-
and
it's
an
ongoing
challenge
for
us
to
find
them.
We're
really
proud
the
fact
that
our
staff,
some
of
whom
are
former
clients
and
that's
a
really
important
part
of
our
operation,
that
we
we
work
hard
to
employ
the
people
that
are
impacted
by
the
justice
system
go
ahead.
Monica.
H
And
then
here's
just
a
client
a
little
piece
about
a
client
again
I
know
you
have
all
these,
so
we
won't
get
into
details
now,
but
Victor's,
a
former
client,
and
we
try
to
do
these
spotlights
on
a
regular
basis
for
the
courts
and
for
our
Community
Partners
in
the
public.
Just
so
they
see
how
we
impact
the
clients
that
we
serve.
H
This
is
a
super
detailed
slide
that
I
won't
get
into,
but
it
gives
you
an
example
of
the
the
blue
lines
of
where
SF
pre-trial
are
inserted
into
the
judicial
process,
and
you
know
here
it
is
again
I.
You
know
again.
This
is
this.
Is
a
high
level
detail?
So
it's,
but
essentially
you
know,
we
are
embedded
in
every
phase
of
the
system
so
we're
at
the
booking
phase
where
people
come
into
the
county
jail
where
we
run
the
PSA.
We
use
the
PSA
as
our
risk
assessment
tool
through
a
prime
pre-arraignment
and
arraignment.
H
There
are
different
release
points
and
then
one
thing
that's
unique
is
about
a
unique
about
at
our
program.
Is
that
we
also
have
a
post
arraignment
release
point.
So
someone
has
reached
the
arraignment
phase
and
they're
still
incarcerated.
Defense
counsel
is
able
to
request
an
in-cussive
referral
and
that's
when
we
go
into
the
court
into
the
jail,
do
an
interview
and
that's
actually
the
only
phase
of
the
process
where
we
do
an
assessment
of
people
that
are
incarcerated
and
we
recommend
make
a
recommendation
to
the
courts.
H
G
As
David
mentioned,
an
assessment
is
done
to
determine
the
needs
of
the
client
and
also
to
talk
about
any
Court
mandated
programming
that
they're
going
to
be
required
to
do
a
client
may
be
terminated
if
new
charges
are
filed
or
if
they
fail
to
complete
any
of
the
directives.
We
do
send
progress
reports
regularly
during
their
court
dates.
So
that's
when
those
conditions
would
be
reviewed.
G
G
G
G
Our
own
recognizance
program
is
one
of
the
first
points
of
opportunity
for
release
for
an
individual.
This
is,
it
happens
within
24
hours
of
arrest,
our
pre-trial
release
unit
who
works
in
the
jail
right
alongside
the
booking
staff.
The
sheriff's
office
will
get
the
information
as
soon
as
a
person
is
id'd
and
fingerprinted.
They'll
begin
looking
printing
out
their
wraps
and
putting
together
what
we
refer
to
as
a
workup,
and
it's
basically
a
package
with
everything
that
a
judge
would
need
to
make
a
decision.
Pre-Arraignment.
G
G
Once
a
client
is,
our
person
is
granted,
ACM
will
pick
them
up
from
the
jail
our
staff,
our
case
managers
will
walk
physically
walk
over
pick
them
up,
sign
them
out,
bring
them
back
to
our
office
and
complete
whatever
part
of
the
assessment
they
weren't
able
to
do
while
in
custody.
We
do
have
a
social
worker
on
a
couple
social
workers
on
site
to
address
any
immediate
needs
that
the
clients
face
when
you
know
they're
just
being
released
from
the
jail.
G
David
mentioned
a
little
bit
about
our
in-custody
referral.
This
is
this
would
be
the
third
opportunity
for
a
person
to
be
assessed
and
released.
This
assessment
is
a
little
bit
more
involved
asked
about
Community
ties
and
typically
the
person
has
more
High
needs
mental
health
or
substance
abuse
issues,
and
this
happens
post
arraignment
anywhere
from
you
know,
a
couple
weeks
to
a
few
months.
Post-Arraignment,
the
icr
team,
like
ACM,
would
go
pick
them
up.
Usually
there's
transport
involved
to
some
sort
of
treatment,
facility
or
residential
program.
G
We
have
a
court
team
judicial
staff
who
are
in
regular
communication
and
collaborate
with
our
court
Superior
Court
staff.
They
are
actually
in
the
hearings
and
collaborate
and
work
with
the
clerks
and
the
judges
and
the
attorneys
and
make
sure
that
they
have
all
the
information
they
need
for
any
decisions
or
progress.
Progress,
related
outcomes.
G
And
our
diversion
program
it
operates
also
in
our
office.
We,
those
referrals,
are
received
directly
from
the
court.
There's
really
no
assessment.
There
is
an
intake
that
kind
of
goes
over
the
same
things,
including
what
the
needs
are
barriers
and
also
addressing
any
Court
mandated
programming.
But
those
are
more
of
a
referral
and
not
you
know
we
don't
make
the
recommendations
on
those
cases,
and
so
that
comes
directly
from
the
judges
and
we
have
our
you
know
regular
pre-trial
diversion.
G
We
have
primary
caregiver,
which
focuses
on
a
client
who
is
a
primary
care
or
parent
for
their
family,
and
we
also
have
neighborhood
Court,
which
is
lower
level.
Low
needs,
low
risk
clients
and
they
sit
in
front
of
a
panel
and
kind
of
you
know,
go
over
what
happened
and
determine
what
they
can
do
if
it's
apology,
letter
or
some
community
service
to
try
and
rectify
the
issue,
and,
ultimately,
you
know-
have
it
dismissed
from
their
record.
G
And
then
we
do
have
a
couple
of
positions
that
work
in
custody
in
our
jails,
which
includes
affordable,
act,
care,
enrollment
specialist.
This
person
will
go
and
see
the
incarcerated
population
and
ask
them
if
they
have
Medi-Cal
submit
the
application
for
them
so
that
they
are
prepared
when
released.
G
We
have
a
house
Housing
Initiative,
that
both
in
custody
and
out
out
of
custody
are
three
depart.
Three
person
department
will
assess
these
folks
and
try
and
problem
solve
to
determine
you
know
what
next
steps
there
are.
It
doesn't
guarantee
a
placement,
but
it
gets
them
on
the
path
to
housing
and
we
help
with
all
the
things
that
they
need
to
get
document
ready
and
so
forth.
G
H
Okay,
everyone
so
quickly,
just
just
so
you
know,
you
know
we
are
one
of
the
few
community-based
non-profit
pre-trial
service
agencies
in
the
country.
Minnesota
and
Maine
have
a
really
robust,
pre-trial
Services
System,
that's
Community,
Based,
non-profit
New,
York
City,
the
state
excuse,
Minnesota,
Wisconsin
and
then
the
state
of
Maine,
and
there
you
know
it's
as
I,
see
it
I
think
it's
the
direction
in
which
the
field
is
going
because,
as
you
know,
people
in
the
pre-trial
phase
are
presumed
innocent
and
most
people
succeed
without
much
support.
H
One
thing:
that's
different
in
San
Francisco
is
that
we
do
have
a
high
level
of
criminality
and
needs
among
our
clients.
You
have
individuals
with
violent,
felonies,
murder
cases,
people
with
serious
mental
illness
and
substance
use
issues.
So
the
the
message
is
is
that
you
don't
have
to
compromise
Public
Safety
to
have
a
community-based
program.
H
We
use
measurement
matters,
that's
the
pretty
much
the
kind
of
standard
for
the
field
to
do
our
outcomes
measures
and
if
you
could
just
go
to
the
next
one,
Monica
and
safety
rates,
appearance
rates,
just
like
most
pre-trial
systems
and
again
you
know
you're.
Looking
at
a
client
to
a
very
high
level
of
need,
and
community
and
Justice
involvement,
our
or
program
where
they're
getting
lower
levels
of
supervision,
there's
a
85
percent
appearance,
92
percent
safety
rate.
H
One
thing
to
note
about
San
Francisco,
that's
been
documented-
is
that
we
have
a
very
arduous
trial
system
here
that
it
takes
a
lot
longer
than
most.
So
our
appearance
rates
are
challenged
by
that
by
the
fact
that
it's
a
tactic
usually
used
by
our
public
defender
we've
had
a
serious
backlog
since
covid,
and
we
also
have
about
30
to
40
percent
of
our
clients
that
are
at
our
highest
level.
H
Supervision
are
unhoused,
so
we
also
have
a
very
large
unhoused
population,
but
again
appearance
rate
is
78
percent
and
for
ACM
these
are
highest
level
clients
still
only
93
percent
pick
up
a
new
case,
while
they're
on
our
caseload
over
a
six-month
period
and
then
go
ahead
to
the
next
one,
and
then
this
these
are
the
highest
level.
Clients
of
need,
93
safety
rate,
so
just
to
kind
of
make
a
point
that
Public
Safety
isn't
compromised.
H
Just
because
you
do
it
through
a
community-based
lens
and
diversions,
always
our
most
successful
program,
95
and
97
rates.
There
we
were
created
by
napsis
of
the
National
Association
of
pre-trial
service
agencies,
reviewed
our
programs
and
our
agency.
It's
an
incredibly
detailed
process
and
we're
able
to
gain
naps
accreditation.
H
So
we're
really
proud
of
that,
and
that
just
here
are
the
few
and
new
initiatives
we've
been
rolling
out
and
judicial
Council
pilot
project,
where
we've
been
able
to
include
some
more
positions
that
work
with
the
courts,
we're
looking
at
up
trust
for
a
new
text
messaging
service.
We
went
out
and
looked
at
the
different
data
management
systems
that
are
out
there
and
most
of
the
data
management
and
client
Management
systems
are
built
on
more
of
a
client,
a
compliance
and
Correctional
platform.
H
So
we
are
in
the
process
of
building
and
we'll
be
launching
our
own
client
management
system,
which
we're
calling
open
Justice
on
July
1st
and
the
beauty
of
it
is
that
it's
based
on
our
philosophy
and
our
approach,
and
it
will
be
available.
You
know
once
we
get
the
bugs
out,
it's
a
product
that
we're
going
to
make
available
to
other
jurisdictions.
H
So
if
they
leave
our
caseload,
they
continue
with
the
outside
case
management
program.
So
I'll
stop
there,
because
it's
a
lot
and
yeah.
This
is
a
presentation
we
did
for
the
re-entry
Council
and
please,
if
you
have
any
questions,
let
us
know
and
we're
always
is
willing
to
follow
up
with
with
more
information
thanks.
E
Everybody
thanks
David
and
thanks
Monica
I.
We
wanna.
We
have
a
limited
amount
of
time,
so
we're
gonna
go
to
our
next
speaker.
I
hope
you
can
stick
around
for
some
questions.
I'll
be
asking
questions
specifically
about
your
diversion
projects
and
your
neighborhood
Court.
We
are
a
city
body
that
can
make
recommendations
to
the
city
and
its
jurisdiction
and
so
a
lot
of
this
Falls
outside
of
the
city.
E
Although
we
believe
that
as
a
city,
we
can
continue
to
help
build
an
infrastructure
and
build
Partnerships
that
will
eventually
bring
people
into
the
fold
in
our
city
in
our
County
and
hopefully
our
state.
So
you
can
stick
you
can
you?
Can
you
stick
around
for
another
10
minutes?
Well,
okay,
perfect
for
another
20
minutes
and
and
I'm
going
to
pass
it
on
to
Mary
Louise.
C
C
I
was
completely
and
we
I
have
to
tell
you
guys
something
when
I
tell
this
story,
nobody
believes
it,
because
how
could
your
favorite
team
favorite
tight
end
Dad
connect
with
you
that
way,
right,
like
I,
should
buy
a
lottery
ticket.
Everybody
said
that,
but
now
I
get
to
introduce
a
guy.
That
I
feel
is
inspires
me
to
be
a
better
human
being
and
so
I'm
going
to
tell
you
guys
a
little
bit
about
Bruce
Kittle,
which
is
with
us
tonight.
C
C
Also
in
juvenile,
the
VOC
programs,
Dane
County
in
Wisconsin
and
Johnson
County
and
in
Iowa
helped
create
design
and
train
volunteers
to
do.
Juvenile
boc
cases
referred
to
program,
RJ,
boc
training
and
organ
organization
in
organization
in
schools,
prisons,
probation
and
parole.
He
has
over
15
years
of
experience,
doing
trainings
in
rjboc
CSA,
as
well
as
in
mediation
in
peace
building.
So
with
thank
you
Bruce
for
being
with
us.
You
have
the
floor.
I
Okay,
all
right
well,
thank
you,
Mary
Louise
anyway,
more
than
you
want
to
know
so.
I
guess
I'll
just
jump
in
I.
There's
a
I
did
a
little
two-page.
I
just
want
to
say:
I
thought
our
San
Francisco
folks
did
a
great
job
really
detailed
I
have
a
lot
of
you
know,
curious
questions
about
jurisdiction
and
how
you
interface
with
probation
and
parole
victim
witness
and
some
of
those
things
so
and
I
know.
There's
answers
to
all
that.
I
So
that's
really
amazing
everything
they
talked
about
normally
so
I've
been
embedded
I
guess
you
would
say,
with
probation
and
parole.
Community
Corrections
depends
where
you're
at
in
two
different
locations
and
jobs,
and
so
basically
the
prison-based
stuff
is
where
I
really
learned.
All
this,
so
Mary,
Louise
and
I
know
you
guys
were
doing.
This
I
was
sitting
on
the
call
last
week
and
talking
I
sent
a
little
something
on
the
values
of
restorative
justice
and
that
so
my
background
is
really
in
that
and
I
came
out
of
doing
victim.
I
Offender
dialogues
like
I,
said
in
prison-based
cases
of
crimes
of
severe
violence
and
then
did
re-entry
work
and
I
worked
with
Probation
and
Parole
in
a
lot
of
different
ways.
So
I
guess,
if
I
was
going
to
say,
I
was
asked
to
do
just
a
really
brief
kind
of
notion
on
restorative
justice,
so
I'm
just
going
to
say,
I
think
there
are
four
things
that
you
want
to
know
about
it.
I
That
might
be
a
little
different.
One
is
the
values
and
we're
sort
of
just
as
an
extremely
value-based
approach
and
I've
listed
that
and
I
know.
They'll
share
those
with
you
and
I
think
those
things
are
in,
but
I
think
one
of
the
core
values
is
that
crime
and
offending
behavior
is
a
harm
to
an
individual
in
a
community.
It's
not
a
rule
violation,
it's
not
a
law
violation.
Fundamentally,
it's
it's
about
harm
to
people
and
that
kind
of
changes.
Then
your
perspective.
I
So
that's
the
value,
piece
and
and
I
think
issues
around
engagement
and
roles
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
So
but
it
believes
in
shared
responsibility,
so
values
is
one
and
I
put
a
note
in
here.
Just
that
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
learned
along
the
way
if
you're
moving
in
a
restorative
process
toward
them
is
kind
of
a
program
and
trying
to
put
things
together.
I
That's
really
my
background.
Criminal
defense
lawyer
and
adultery
and
I
did
very
little
juvenile
stuff.
I've
worked
in
designing
juvenile
programs
and
helping
train
volunteers
and
do
that.
But
the
low-level
diversionary
stuff
is
not
where
I
spent
my
day-to-day
work,
so
I
just
owning
that
up
front
and
I
know
that's
kind
of
where
you
guys
are
are
working.
So
the
other
thing
that's
different
I
said
engagement
is
just
really
about
how
you
engage
those
different
parties,
it's
thought
of
victim
offender
and
or
community
and
I,
know
offender.
I
The
third
thing
that's
really
important
to
understand
is
that
the
rules
are
really
different,
so
it
really
tries
to
hand
off
power
and
input
and
decision
making
to
those
stakeholders
rather
than
the
system
just
driving
everything
so
and
the
last
thing,
I
guess
I'll
just
say
is
that
it
asks
some
different
questions
and
and
to
the
extent
you
guys
are
all
knowing
all
this.
So
traditionally
we
ask
you
know
what
law
was
violated
and
kind
of.
What's
the
punishment
going
to
be
and
who
did
it?
I
Restorative
justice
really
focuses
on
who
was
impacted
by
the
behavior.
How
were
they
impacted
and
who
needs
to
do
what
to
try
to
repair
the
harm?
And
so
it's
just
it's
just
a
different
focus
on
that.
So
I
guess
I
can
kind
of
leave
that
those
pieces,
as
far
as
because
I'm
not
actively
in
a
program
so
again,
not
trying
to
overstate
stuff
and
I've
done
a
bunch
of
other
stuff
between
practicing
law,
full-time
and
doing
college
football
stuff.
I
So
that's
kind
of
my
world
as
far
as
that
goes
I
guess
I
can
say
a
couple
more
words
and
or
talk
generally
about
that
or
any
of
those
programs.
I
guess
I
was
on
the
call
last
week
and
listen
to
the
folks
that
were
talking
about
that.
I
thought
those
programs,
the
Colorado
program,
really
nice
I'm
fairly
familiar
with
some
of
that
stuff.
I
I
thought
they
all
did
a
great
job
and
so,
as
I
think
about
Santa,
Fe
and
again
acknowledging
I'm
fairly
new
I'm
just
into
my
second
year
here,
I,
don't
really
get
all
the
jurisdictional
pieces
and
how
everybody
fits
together
and
I
know.
This
is
a
city
process,
so
I'm
kind
of
curious
where
the
district
attorney
is
and
where
probation
and
parole
is
and
where
the
juvenile
justice
books
are
and
the
victim
witness
coordinators
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
I
So
I
guess
that
was
you
know
one
thing
that
I'm
not
very
clear
about
and
those
all
may
have
some
answers.
I
know
you're
looking
for
diversionary,
stuff,
I
guess
to
the
extent
that
I
have
that
experience.
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
with
a
group
called
the
Iowa
peace
Institute,
where
we
did
school-based
trainings
with
teachers,
administrators
and
students,
creating
what
we
call
the
peer
Circle
program,
but
it
was
kind
of
the
restorative
kind
of
classroom.
I
Type
component
Colorado
actually
really
spearheaded
a
lot
of
that
kind
of
work,
but
it's
kind
of
a
top
to
bottom
approach
in
the
school
about
how
to
bring
restorative
justice
or
restorative
measures,
as
it
was
called
back
then
to
that
and
I
know,
Mary
Louise
can
talk
a
lot
about
all
the
work
that
she's
doing
with
students
in
that
kind
of
Realm.
So
but
again
it's
really
asking
those
same
questions
and
involving
people
and
I.
I
Guess,
as
you
guys
are
thinking
about
the
version,
the
one
thing
that
I
would
say
is,
as
an
attorney
I
get
trained
to
do
very
efficient
things
as
fast
as
you
can
pretty
much
one
thing
about
restorative
justice:
I
guess
I
would
just
caution.
Is
that
obviously
you
guys
all
know
this
being
in
city
government
I
would
think.
Is
that
the
more
people
you
involve
and
the
more
people
you
have
to
listen
to
and
the
more
stakeholders?
You
include
the
Messier.
I
The
whole
thing
is,
and
the
more
time
it
takes
and
and
I
would
just
tell
you-
restorative
justice
is
like
that,
and
so,
if
anybody's
looking
for
kind
of
a
quick
fix
for
diversionary
Stuff
restorative
justice
is,
is
not
that
because
it
takes
time
to
make
phone
calls
it
takes
time
to
meet
with
people.
It
takes
time
to
listen
to
people.
It
takes
time
to
do
all
those
kind
of
things
and
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
is
kind
of
heart,
centered
relationship
based
and
focus
on
healing.
I
So
that's
a
little
bit
different
pathway.
So
anyway,
that's
my
kind
of
two
cents
I'm
glad
to
go
into
any
detail
about
the
programs
I've
been
involved
in.
If
anybody
wants
to
I
think
our
guest
from
San
Francisco,
they
are
in
the
street
doing
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
Again,
the
four
levels
of
risk
assessment,
I
think
that's
great
I
mean
that's
a
really
big
key
and
the
way
in
which
they've
adapted
that.
So
that's
a
pretty
cool
program.
I
So
next
time,
I'm
up
when
I
come
back
out
in
August
to
Cali
for
the
season
I'm
gonna
head
up
to
San,
Fran
and
visit
you
guys,
because
that
sounds
pretty
cool.
So
I'd
like
to
learn
more
from
you
guys
so
anyway,
I'm
happy
to
help
and
be
resources
to
the
extent
I
can
again
I'm
a
little
bit.
You
know
again
an
adult
prison
jail
kind
of
scene
but
glad
to
help
with
any
way
I
can
so.
Thank
you.
E
Thank
you
all
appreciate
it,
and
thanks
for
the
connect
Mary
Louise
I
do
want
to.
Let
folks
know
that
Sophie
and
I
are
putting
together,
and
we
wanted
to
have
it
ready
by
today.
But
we
haven't
had
a
luck
with
the
folks
at
the
DA's
office
or
at
CYFD
we're
putting
together
a
presentation,
a
flow
chart
about
the
current
system
for
youth
right
now
and
what?
E
Basically,
what
the
flow
chart
is
for,
folks
that
either
get
arrested
inside
the
school
outside
the
schools
and
where
they're
at
and
where
interventions
used
to
happen
and
where
they
don't
happen,
so
that
we
have
a
stronger
sense
of
where
the
city,
what
interventions
the
city
can
make
either
before
young
people
are
arrested
or
after
they're
arrested,
and
so
that's
kind
of
what
we
were
planning
on
doing
today.
But
we
haven't
gotten
the
calls
back
that
we
need
to
finalize
that.
B
E
Hopefully,
in
two
weeks,
we'll
be
ready
to
go
with
that.
Sophie
I,
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
add
a
meeting
to
it,
but
we
feel
like
we
can
only
make
recommendations
to
our
city
police
and
to
our
city,
public,
community
and
Public
Safety
office
or
Community
safety
Division.
If
we
have
a
really
strong
sense
of
what
interventions,
there
are,
what
diversion
programs,
what
restorative
justice
and
what
other
services
are
available
for
those
folks
is
that
an
accurate
assessment
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
Sophia
or
a
description?
E
We
both
said
today
we
have
to
Hound
these
people,
so
they
get
back
to
us.
I
do
want
to
remind
folks
that
our
DA's
office
got
tons
of
money
to
do
free
trial,
diversion
and
or
restorative
deaths
and
I.
Think
I
think
she
got
tons
of
money
to
do
restorative
justice
and
we
have
no
sense
of
how
that's
actually
getting
used,
and
so
anyway,
we
wanted
to
open
it
up
to
questions.
E
I
know
that
Bruce,
isn't
working
in
a
specific
organization
right
now
and
and
and
the
folks
in
San
Francisco
are
I-
did
want
to
ask
before
others
sort
of
jumped
in
in
the
slide
that
you
had
about
the
diversion
programs,
which
is
what
we're
really
interested
in.
In
addition
to
other
decriminalization
efforts
that
we're
going
to
be
making
recommendations
about,
there
was
something
that
you
said
about
a
neighborhood
court
and
again
I'm
thinking.
E
H
H
Monica,
if
you
can
do
the
I'll,
just
give
a
quick
overview,
so
the
neighborhood
Court
there's.
Actually
a
study
was
done
about
it
a
few
years
ago
and
I
can
send
you
this.
Our
district
attorney
brought
that
to
the
city.
So
that's
a
program,
that's
housed
in
the
district
attorney's
office
and
they
do
the
case
processing
and
then
Monica
can
describe
what
it
looks
like
on
the
ground.
G
Yeah
so
once
a
person
is
referred
and
usually
it's
a
citation
issue,
you
know
very
low
level,
it
could
be
vandalism
a
drunken
public
prostitution
case
related
case
and
they'll
send
them
directly
over
to
us.
They
make
the
referral
we
get
them
going.
They
sit
in
front
of
a
panel,
they
kind
of
explain.
G
The
goal
is
for
them
to
take
accountability,
apologize
to
any
victims
involved.
You
know
how
they're
going
to
move
forward
what
they
can
do
differently.
If
the
circumstance
you
know
presented
itself
again
and
really,
you
know
how
to
deviate
from
those
situations
and,
ultimately
you
know
get
it
off
the
Record
and
usually
what
it
entails
is
some
sort
of
community
service
related
to
the
charge
apology.
Letters
are
pretty
standard.
G
H
E
Appreciate
that
I
do
want
to
also
just
remind
folks
based
on
something
that
Bruce
was
saying
a
little
bit
about.
You
know
restorative
justice,
taking
a
long
time,
and-
and
we
mentioned
this
on
the
last
call,
but
diversion
projects
and
programs
are
not.
They
don't
always
contain
restorative
justice,
sometimes,
as
other
members
of
our
committee
have
pointed
out,
it's
such
a
small
crime
and
then
they
have
to
go
through
this
six-month
process
of
restorative
justice
that
doesn't
really
seem
to
fit
this
really
low
level.
A
E
J
H
H
You
know
vice
president
Harris,
so
rdas
have
done
a
lot
of
really
good
diversion
oriented
programs
over
the
years.
You
might
I,
don't
know
if
you've
looked
it
up,
but
Diego
Dean
did
introduce
a
healing,
Justice
initiative
and
and
I
think
the
whole
entire
template
is
on
the
website.
But
that
is
an
initiative,
that's
being
implemented
in
San
Francisco
a
bit
challenging
right
now
because
of
the
transition
from
Bodine
to
Jenkins
and
we're
still
working
to
get
off
the
ground.
J
The
other
question
that
I
had
that
maybe
I
missed
because
I
know
you
went
into
some
of
the
pre-trial
stuff
and
that
pre-trial
stuff
that's
more
as
far
as
for
us,
that's
more
State
jurisdiction
stuff,
but
you
said
that
there
were
so
many
people
that
were
homeless
that
were
under
that
were
supervised.
Is
that
right?
It
was
a
huge
part
of
yeah.
J
H
H
The
next
are
Latino
males
and
from
there
it's
it's
pretty
evenly
spread,
but
they're
they're,
the
two
CR
and
then
for
the
unhoused
population.
Assertive
case
management,
icr,
it's
more
of
a
white
males,
but
diversion
is
probably
you
know
when
we
break
it
down
our
most
diverse
demographic,
because
it's
just
it's
encompassing
people
all
across
the
city,
they're
connected
to
the
justice
system,.
K
Thanks
so
much,
and
thanks
for
those
presentations,
a
few
follow-up
questions,
do
you
have
sort
of
a
harm
reduction
philosophy?
That's
built
into
the
programs,
curious.
What
that
looks
like
and
how
you
deal
with
folks,
who
might
especially
individuals
who
are
people
who
use
drugs?
Who
may
have
relapses
absence-based
with
you
know,
a
variety
of
different
service
supports.
G
We
we
really
cater
to
whatever
the
client
needs
and
what
their
way
they
want
to
go
about
it.
We
do
offer
harm
reduction
group,
but
wherever
the
client,
you
know
we
meet
the
client
where
the
client's
at
and
whatever
they
choose.
However,
they
choose
to
reach
their
goals
and
try.
You
know
to
make
it
back
to
court.
J
H
K
Excellent,
that's
great
I
have
just
another
follow-up
question:
I
know
that
San
Francisco
had
a
lead
program.
The
law
enforcement
assisted
diversion
program
is
that
still
operating
and
if
so,
how
does
it
interact
with
your
programs
and
do
you
know
any
of
the
sort
of
success
or
outcomes
compared
to
some
of
the
pre-trial
diversion.
K
H
There's
really
not
much
interface
and
it's
it's
a
problem.
Don't
don't
get
me
wrong.
You
know
it's
one
of
the
things.
That's
happened
under
this
kind
of
our
new
Administration,
our
new
leadership
in
San
Francisco.
Things
have
gotten
very
fractured
and
we
certainly
share
clients
with
lead
at
times
like
there's,
but
there's
not
really
much
direct
connection.
We
we
hold
about
a
little
over
70
percent
of
of
people
on
pre-trial
release,
come
through
our
agency.
E
E
H
H
It's
you
know
one
of
the
challenges
we're
having
is
that
the
new
leadership
keeps
setting
up
new
programs
and
changing
the
acronyms
and
there's
just
not
been
consistent
leadership
around
this
issue.
We
have
had
better.
You
know
the
cart
program.
It's
it's!
It's
a
you
know
it's
a
social
worker
model
like
the
Cahoots
or
things
like
that.
It
just
hasn't
really
been
rigidly
implemented
in
San,
Francisco
I
would
say
other
you
know
we
have
the
collaborative
courts,
which
is
a
different.
H
It's
a
subset
of
programs
that
are
separate
from
ours
that
that
also
operate,
but
the
other
post
booking
as
well.
But
you
know
it
and
there's
so
much.
There's
also
a
lot
of
sight
and
release
like
one
thing
that
happens
in
San
Francisco
that
you
know
we
get
a
more
Justice
involved
client,
because
there's
such
a
strong
site
and
release
policy
here
as
well,
and
you.
L
H
H
So
it's
just
something
to
think
about,
like
one
political
shift
in
the
Paradigm
can
have
a
huge
impact
and
what's
happened
now,
all
those
people
that
were
getting
a
year
of
really
you
know
it's
like
a
tight
dose
of
treatment,
so
to
speak
one
year
diversion
program
are
now
going
down
into
our
no
active
and
minimum
supervision
where
they
really
don't
get
anything
so
and
all
the
people
that
are
down
there
in
the
lower
portions
are
pushed
up
into
the
high
needs
programs.
So
you
have
people
that
were
succeeding
without
much.
H
Support
are
now
taking
up
space
with
people
that
need
a
lot
of
support,
and
the
people
that
were
succeeding
over
here
with
a
year
of
support
are
now
getting
no
support.
So
it's
just
something
to
think
about
as
you
design.
This
is
like,
of
course,
you
can't
control
the
politics,
but
the
politics
can
really
influence
what
happens
in
your
pre-trial
system
very
quickly.
I
mean
that
that
70
shift
happened
in
about
six
months.
H
H
I
saw
the
note
about
the
sex
worker
industry
and
we
do
have
programs
for
Johns
and
for
for
sex
workers,
and-
and
that's
just
like
you
know,
they
flow
into
various
stages
of
our
programs
and,
like
Monica
said
you
know,
we're
really
designing
interventions
based
on
need
and
where
people
are
so.
The
same
holds
true
in
those
situations.
E
H
No
we're
you
know
a
lot
of
people
think
you
know
I'm.
Also
not
a
lawyer
Monica's,
not
a
lawyer.
You
know,
I
I
come
from
I've
been
doing
community-based
work
for
30
years
in
San.
Francisco
Monica
has
the
same
type
of
background,
so
mainly
our
staff.
We
have
it.
We
have
an
interesting
mix,
so
the
orn
they're,
the
people
that
are
doing
the
booking
and
the
risk
assessment.
H
You
get
a
lot
of
people
that
are
studying
criminal
justice
out
of
college
and
a
lot
of
those
folks
actually
transition
into
court
jobs
and
more
structured
kind
of
government
related
jobs
with
our
court
team.
It's
it's
a
bigger
mix,
it's
some
people
that
are
newer
in
in
kind
of
the
criminal
justice
space,
but
also
people
a
lot
of
experience.
That's
a
really
interesting
place
because
they're
directly
engaging
with
judges
on
a
daily
basis.
H
Our
case
management
team
really
consists
of
people
from
the
Community
a
lot
of
folks
that
again
reflect
the
clients
we
serve,
but
we
also
have
people
that
are
coming
out
of
probation,
for
example,
that
join
our
case
management
team
and
across
the
board.
We
have
a
really
strong
mix,
but
you
know
just
suffice
it
to
say
it's
invaluable.
H
You
know
we
really
rely
heavily
on
our
staff
that
have
experienced
our
services
and
be
in
the
system,
and
that's
why
we
have
representation
across
the
executive
team
at
the
board
of
directors
like
it's
a
priority
for
us.
You
know
one
thing:
that's
been
really
interesting.
That
I
wish
we
could
take
credit
for,
but
I'm
not
is
that
you
know
we
have
a
front
desk
because
people
are
checking
in
on
a
regular
basis.
H
And
just
another
thing:
we're
also
very
good
about
making
sure
that
you
know
when
you
have
that
clause
about
you
know
two
years
or
four
years
of
college
and
then
you
kind
of
throw
in
or
lived
experience
like.
We
really
try
to
Define
that
to
help
people
you
know
to
make
sure
people
are
comfortable,
bringing
their
lived
experience
to
our
work
and
applying
for
our
jobs,
because
we
want.
We
want
to
create
that
environment
where
people
feel
valued
not
just
for
their.
E
Okay
and
then
I
just
have
one
follow-up
question:
if
you
guys
don't
mind
and
then,
if
we
don't
have
any
other
questions,
we
can
wrap
this
up
really
appreciate
all
of
you
being
on,
and
this
is
for
Bruce
Bruce
I
know
that
you
directed
restorative
justice
programs
in
at
the
Peace
Center
in
Iowa
in
Cedar
Rapids.
Do
you
have
any
experience,
we're
trying
to
kind
of
build
an
infrastructure
almost
from
scratch?
E
It's
not
that
there
aren't
practitioners
and
that
we
don't
have
this
amazing
program
out
of
the
Santa
Fe
Public
Schools,
that
Mary
Louise
heads
up
and
we
we
have
the
schools
that
are
very,
very
interested
and
sort
of
doubling
down
on
RJ
in
general.
But
do
you
have
any
experience,
sort
of
building
Out
programs
in
communities
for
the
first
time
and
what
it
takes
to
actually
get
partners
and
law
enforcement
and
the
city
and
other
folks,
like
the
DA's,
even
on
board
and
any
advice
that
you
have
for
us
on
that.
I
Well,
yeah
I
mean
the
two
closest
as
it
relates
to
the
juvenile
stuff
and
school-based
would
be
the
two
programs
I
helped
with
one
was
in
Dane
County,
Madison
Wisconsin
and
the
other
one
that
was
in
Iowa
City,
which
is
Johnson,
County
and
so
I
guess
the
things
I
was
thinking
about
the
Johnson
County
programs.
Really,
so
that's
a
non-profit.
It's
called
messy
mediation
services
of
Eastern
Iowa,
so
they
historically
have
been
a
kind
of
a
mediation
context,
but
they
dabbled
in
restorative
justice.
I
So
we
trained
a
group
of
volunteers
and
they've
done
some
intervention
work
at
the
schools.
They've
done
a
lot
of
school-based,
you
know
peer-to-peer
stuff
and
all
that,
so
they
had
good
relationships
in
the
Iowa
City
school
districts
and
then
in
Johnson
County,
the
Juvenile
Justice
stuff.
It
is
also
I,
guess
its
districts
there,
but
regions
I
guess
would
be
for
you
guys,
but
people
are
assigned
to
counties.
You
know
what
I
mean,
and
so
even
within
the
region
there.
So
our
Juvenile
Justice
people
that
we
had
there.
I
We
had
two
offices,
and
so
those
folks,
but
the
way
it
ended
up
working
out
is
basically
if
law
enforcement
was
called
to
the
school.
The
school
and
law
enforcement
together
could
make
a
decision
to
refer
the
person
to
the
victim
offender
program,
which
would
be
kind
of
a
holistic,
full-service
kind
of
thing
so
and
then
they
partnered
with
Juvenile
Justice.
So
the
juvenile
po
would
still
do
kind
of
a
risk
assessment,
put
a
case
File
together
and
all
that,
but
it
might
totally
avoid
any
charging.
I
They
might
go
through
the
restorative
process
through
the
non-profit,
and
that
would
be
kind
of
the
end
of
it,
and
so
but
I
guess
as
far
as
getting
it
together
there,
they
had
a
really
strong,
so
the
county
had
kind
of
monthly
meetings
with
the
Juvenile
Justice.
So
all
the
juvenile
POS
would
show
up.
Their
supervisor
would
show
up
the
County
attorneys
and
PDS
who
represented
juveniles
in
the
system
and
then
school-based
people,
and
all
that
they
had
a
really
active
engagement.
I
That
way-
and
it
was
really
out
of
that
partnership
constantly
looking
at
what
they
could
do,
and
this
had
been
on
the
agenda
I
think
for
a
number
of
years
until
they
finally
got
funding
for
it
so
that
which
they
did.
But
it
was
a
very
inclusive
process
included
victim
witness
because,
obviously
you
have
support
for
victims
in
there.
I
That's
really
important
as
well
and
I
and
I
think
one
thing
that
really
made
it
work
was
the
county
attorney's
office
had
input
into
you,
know,
kind
of
or
at
least
they
felt
comfortable
when
it
was
over
about
what
cases
were
eligible
for.
What
who
made
the
referral
who
reviewed
you
know
that
file,
because
somebody
actually
has
to
look
at
the
file
and
say
yeah.
It
should
go
here
or
there
and
who
is
that
going
to
be
done
and
what
in
what
partnership?
I
And
then
what
would
happen
to
each
one
of
those
kind
of
files
along
the
way?
And
so
once
we
got
a
lot
of
clarity
about
that
and
how
those
pieces
all
came
together,
which
took
obviously
some
time,
but
once
they
had
funding
and
then
we
had
volunteers
trained.
So
it
was
actually
community
volunteers
who
were
trained
to
facilitate
when
they
actually
had
victim
offender
dialogues.
They
had
actual
kind
of
caseworkers
that
kind
of
managed
the
case,
but
for
the
actual
victim
offender
stuff,
where
they
sat
down
face
to
face
with
whoever
they
had
impacted.
I
Those
were
actually
facilitated,
co-facilitated
by
two
trained
volunteers.
So
I
guess
you
know
it's
again:
it's
really
drawing
a
circle
and
then
whatever
it
is
you're
trying
to
do
thinking
about
really
critically.
Who
are
the
true
stakeholders
that
have
any
kind
of
role
in
this,
and
even
if
they
only
intersect
a
little
bit
trying
to
invite
them
to
the
table
and
have
a
conversation
about
it
and
then
having
a
little
bit
of
clarity
about
where
it
is?
I
You
think
you
want
to
go,
so
you
can
kind
of
explain
it
to
them,
but
and
then
doing
some
training
on
RJ
and
having
those
conversations
and
then
cutting
off.
You
know
they
started
fairly
small
with
the
referrals
and
the
eligibility
and
then
over
time,
as
trust
was
built
and
the
TR
and
the
volunteers
got
more
and
more
experience.
I
So
in
the
this
you
know
when
you
get
when
you
talked
about
the
city
piece,
the
school
district
is
City
for
sure,
and
they
have
that,
but
because
they're
so
there's
such
a
strong
interface
between
the
school
districts
and
Juvenile
Justice,
because
of
all
the
stuff
that
happens
and
then
law
enforcement
and
then
obviously
the
county
attorney's
office
that
was
kind
of
a
seamless
partnership.
The
way
it
ended
up
developing
because
they
worked
together
all
the
time
anyway.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
at
all,
but
I
mean
that's.
I
E
That's
great
and
we'll
make
sure
that
Valeria
has
access
us
to
all
the
documents
that
you
send
to
us
that
we
can
include
for
all
of
our
all
of
our
task
force
members.
Thank
you.
Bruce
thanks,
David,
thanks
Monica.
We
really
appreciate
you
spending
time
with
us.
All
of
this
is
helping
us
figure
out
sort
of
how
to
how
to
even
begin
to
recommend
how
our
city
can
start
thinking
about
all
of
these
different
kinds
of
diversion
projects.
E
Again,
I
always
like
to
recommend
I,
always
like
to
remind
everyone
the
moment
that
we
arrest
a
kid
either
you
know
outside
or
inside
the
schools.
We
have
lost
any
opportunity
to
do
any
major
diversion
intervention,
restorative
justice.
They
are
in
cyfd's
hands.
So
that's
something
that
we
really
have
to
think
that.
A
You
there
might
be
other
questions
too
much,
fella
I,
don't
know,
but
I
just
I
was
curious
about
the
funding,
and
you
said
the
majority
of
the
funding
was
from
the
Sheriff's
Office
and
then
Foundation
funds
and
I'm
just
curious
about
how
that
began
like
why
the
Sheriff's
Office
thought
that
would
be
the
in
their
best
interest
to
fund
to
be
to
use
their
funding
sources
for
this
particular
program.
Yeah.
H
Right
because
it's
in
direct
conflict
and
and
yeah,
it's
I
think
the
program
actually
started
in
1965,
a
partnership
between
the
bar
association
and
the
courts,
and
then
it
came
together
under
SF
pre-trial
in
1976.
I
think
we're
lucky
to
have
a
very
Progressive
Sheriff
at
that
time.
Who
saw
the
need
for
diversion
honestly
a
lot
of
it
in
the
early
days
was
around
fines
and
fees.
So
the
whole
program
ran
on
collecting
money
and
in
some
ways
it's
we're
just
much
more
efficient
and
affordable.
H
We
actually
did
a
cost
analysis
and
looked
at
comparable
prices
to
probation
and
government
agencies
and
we're
about
30
to
40
percent
less
to
run
the
the
operation
that
we
run.
So
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
I
think
part
of
it
is
just
San
Francisco
and
our
values,
even
though
obviously
they're
shifting
these
days,
but
it
it
just
it.
H
It
was
just
successful
like
the
program
kind
of
built
itself
because
of
the
outcomes
and
the
success,
and
then,
as
we
started,
to
focus
more
on
decarceration,
that
became
a
big
priority
is
to
figure
out
how
to
get
people
out
of
the
cultural
system
because
of
all
the
research
related
to
the
impact
of
jail.
And
you
know,
people
that
go
in
are
more
likely
to
offend.
H
You
know
all
the
negative
consequences
associated
with
two
to
three
days
in
jail
and-
and
it
was
also
really
shaped
by
legislation,
so
the
Humphrey
decision
that
legal
framework
is
where
agency
tripled
and
that's
where
they,
you
know,
as
bail
reform,
came
down
the
pike,
our
Sheriff
embraced
it
and
it
became.
It
really
became
a
point
of
Pride
and
a
great
marketing
tool
for
the
Sheriff's
Office.
H
Like
you
know
they,
they
really
hang
their
hat
on
our
program
and
our
partnership
together,
because
their
scene
is
as
being
Progressive
and
and
when
I.
When
you
look
at
it
across
the
law
enforcement
Spectrum
in
San
Francisco,
the
sheriff
have
an
easier
time
than
the
police
department
when
they're
going
for
Budget
funding,
because
they
can
say,
like
we
give
five
six
million
dollars
to
support
decarceration
and
to
support
community
services,
so
it
benefits
them
as
well,
and
it's
just
been.
It's
just
always
been
a
really
healthy
partnership.
H
You
know
we
do
things
in
the
jail
and
we're
more
resilient
and
more
Nimble.
We,
we
just
became
a
24
7
365
operation
like
we
operate
every
day
of
the
year,
because
you
know
people
get
arrested
on.
You
know
the
Wednesday
before
Thanksgiving
they
can
potentially
spend
five
six
days
in
jail
and
at
that
point
their
life
outcomes
are
deteriorating.
So
a
lot
of
just
based
on
some
of
those
values
and
philosophies
about
just
human
decency
and
and
how
we
need
to
support
each
other
and
give
people
opportunities
they
deserve,
especially
when
they're
innocent.
H
Yeah
there's
a
there's
a
another.
Next
biggest
chunk
is
from
the
courts
and
then
from
the
district
attorney,
there's
a
a
smaller
chunk
and
then
there
we
get
a
decent
amount
of
funding
through
our
department
of
homeless.
It's
in
support
of
housing
because
we're
we
became
the
first
Justice
involved
access
point
so
for
people
getting
into
our
coordinated
entry
housing
system.
We
are
there
for
because
for
justice,
expertise
for
folks
in
the
justice
system,
we
get
money
from
the
state
and
then
across
different
funders.
H
I
have
to
tell
you,
though,
just
like
as
you're
exploring
this.
It
is
a
challenge
because
a
lot
of
people
see
you
know
someone's
been
arrested,
they're
guilty,
throw
them
in
jail.
You
know,
so
it's
been
difficult
to
break
into
the
private
sector.
Funders
Foundation
sector,
because
we're
such
a
unique
model
that
it
can
be
difficult
to
convince
people
that
it's
a
worthy
investment
and
some
people
look
at
it
and
say
well.
Government
should
do
that.
Why
should
we
give
the
money
to
you?
H
A
Yeah
I
think
that
was
that's
a
distinction
to
make
you
know
as
a
non-profit
and
a
lot
of
our
services,
not
in
restorative
justice
per
se,
but
are
just
Community
Services
in
general,
are
are
supported
by
the
nonprofit
sector
to
kind
of
fill
the
gaps
of
where
our
government,
our
municipality,
is
not
so
and
that's
hard.
That's
a
lot
of
money.
A
I
Doc
in
the
early
days
when
restorative
justice
was
starting
to
do
these
meetings,
so
it's
V
is
for
victim.
O
is
for
offender,
C
is
for
conferencing,
so
victim
offender
conferencing.
So
it
was
that
adaptation
which
there's
a
whole
that's
a
whole
other
conversation
but
anyway,
so
the
VOC
was
those
programs,
and
so
that's
where
both
the
juvenile
programs
in
Dane
County
and
in
Johnson
County
in
Iowa.
They
both
started
kind
of
using
that
as
kind
of
the
Bedrock
and
then
kind
of
expanded
their
kind
of
restorative
framework
from
there.
I
I
Yeah
I
know
we
went
kind
of
quick
sorry,
so
that
is
Circles
of
support
and
accountability.
So
I'm
also
I
have
a
masters
of
divinity
and
I'm
ordained
in
the
United
Church
of
Christ.
So
it
was
really
well
connected
with
kind
of
our
local
churches.
So
I
was
working
full-time
for
probation
and
parole
and
they
were
really
really
struggling
with
kind
of
the
medium.
The
high
risk
offenders
returning
from
incarceration
because
they
come
back
and
they
don't
do
very
well
on
reintegration
and
they
hit
parole.
I
So
we
kind
of
identified
different
predictors
that
we
thought
would
help
and
that
high
risk
kind
of
category
and
then
what
I
did
is
I
went
out
and
we
used
churches
as
the
model
to
recruit
volunteers,
and
so
we
ended
up
having
I,
don't
know,
probably
25
churches
that
worked
with
us,
so
I
typically
I
would
train
10
to
15
people
within
the
church
and
not
all
of
them
were
part
of
the
church.
You
know
we
get
other
volunteers
as
well.
I
We
train
them
in
restorative
justice
in
a
circle
process
and
then
at
least
once
a
month,
maybe
twice
a
month,
so
they
would
still
have
a
full-time
Po
and
the
PO
would
actually
sit
in
on
the
circle
meetings
and
we'd.
Do
this
dialogue
process
and
we'd
review
their
housing,
their
substance
abuse
issues
if
they
had
any
mental
health
issues,
employment
status,
and
then
we
just
would
also
review
kind
of
obstacles
to
being
successful.
You
know
what
else
is
coming
up:
they
often
had
family
issues
and
all
kinds
of
stuff.
I
So
in
the
network
the
circle
members,
you
know
the
number
one
thing
was
trying
to
provide
kind
of
a
Community
Connection,
so
they
weren't
just
an
offender
walking
the
street,
not
knowing
anybody.
They
actually
had
some
people,
they
had
a
couple
phone
numbers,
so
typically
we'd
have
one
or
two
people
who
felt
comfortable
giving
that
person
their
contact.
So
if
something
happened,
they
could
call
them
and
then
the
PO
would
be
involved
and
we
talk
about
supervision.
I
Are
they
doing
all
the
other
things
that
they're
supposed
to
so
building
connection,
and
also
it
kind
of
was
an
accountability
piece
too
so,
each
month,
we'd
set
some
goals
and
then,
when
they
came
back,
you
know
how'd.
This
go
what
happened
with
that
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
so
it
was
actually.
I
If
there
was
interest
in
victim
offender
dialogue
that
all
went
through
the
victim
witness
coordinator's
office,
so
they
would
to
the
initial
contact
with
the
crime
victim.
Just
because
that's
who
usually
talks
to
him
so
that
was
kind
of
a
system
Advocate
representing
the
victim,
and
they
would
give
him
a
brochure
and
say
you
know,
this
is
an
option.
A
I
H
Probation,
we
do
have
clients
that
are
on
probation
and
parole
at
the
same
time
that
are
on
our
caseloads
probation
parole
doesn't
handle
anything.
You
know
directly
from
our
pre-trial
phase,
so
all
the
courts,
it's
either
the
collaborative
courts
or
or
bail,
and
then
our
services
and
then
probation,
maybe
gets
you
know
a
small
percentage.
I,
don't
know
I
from
what
I
understand.
Maybe
7,
5
or
100
people
a
year
are
on
a
probation
caseload,
but
bulk
of
them
come
through.
I
Us
yeah,
because
all
the
stuff
you
talk
about
that's
in
the
counties
in
this,
the
systems
that
worked
like
the
only
recognizance,
the
low
level,
all
those
have
different
risk
factors
and
those
are
all
kind
of
supervised
by
probation
officers.
So
that's
yeah
really
interesting.
Now
you
guys
have
developed
yeah.
H
Yeah
I
mean
it's
something:
I
mean
it's
a
it's
a
longer
conversation
we
could
have,
but
it's
something
we're
trying
to
work
on,
because
across
California
the
state
moved
to
probation,
and
you
know
we
really
believe
that
the
you
know
it's
at
that
point.
Where
people
are
Presumed
Innocent,
they
shouldn't
really
be
pushed
further
into
the
law
enforcement
system
into
the
justice
system.
You
know
they
should
be
pushed
out
so
instead
of
being
supervised
by
probation
or
a
law
enforcement
agency,
they
should
be
supervised
by
Community
where
they
belong.
L
H
Yeah
Bale
is
totally
separate
from
us
in
our
bail
industry
has
been
pretty
slimmed
down
in
San
Francisco
due
to
the
Humphrey
decision.
So
there
is
a
Bare
Bones
bail
industry
presence,
but
it's
you
know
because
pretty
much
San
Francisco's
eliminated
cash
fail.
It's
not
used
very
frequently
because
people
can
get
released,
but
their
bail
is
still
available.
If
someone
wants
to
pay
it,
but
that's
a
part
of
our
system.
That's
totally
separate
from
us
right.
H
L
H
Well,
we
have,
you
know,
we're
fortunate
to
have
a
a
very
robust
public,
defender's
office
and
defense
bar,
so
yeah
I
think
people
that
we're
going
to
pay
for
a
private
attorney
were
doing
it
anyway.
It's
you
know.
The
rates
have
gone
up
just
based
on
cost
of
living,
but
there's
no
cost
whatsoever
to
our
system
or
any
part
of
our
process.
L
H
L
Yeah
and
I'm
thinking
Monica
all
can
we
can
talk
about
this
after
once.
You
guys
leave
but
just
curious
about
those
questions
here
in
New
Mexico,
but
it's
a
recent
change
here
and
I've
heard
from
people
that
it's
especially
young
people
that
it's
it's
too
expensive
to
to
bail
out,
because
you
have
to
use
an
attorney
Now
versus
a
real
bonds
person
so
but.
H
H
A
A
H
A
L
B
B
We
did
that
was
just
my
auto.
I
did
some
automation
just
you
know,
keep
us
focused,
but
we
talked
about
it
a
couple
of
meetings
ago
that
when
it
comes
to
your
group,
it's
gonna
take
time
and
and
Julia
and
I
are
working
on
an
extension
for
July,
so
that
I
can
be
of
support
to
all
of
you
to
get
us
to
the
finish
line.
So
sorry
for
causing
confusion,
no.
L
F
A
Understand
like
it's
not
like
a
meeting,
it's
figuring
out
the
final
aspects
of
the
report
and
there's
probably
some
folks
that
will
not
be
able
to
make
it
like
it's
not
a
full
meeting
with
all
people.
All
members,
so
I
think
I
just
want
to
preface
that,
because
you
know
they'll
go
into
the
legal
mindset
and
it's
like
we
just
need
a
have
folks
come
together.
To
put
you
know
final
pieces
of
this,
and
we
are
probably
going
to
be
reviewing
stuff
online
too.
A
D
Yeah
I,
if,
if
I
can
chime
in
sort
of
briefly
and
I,
know
we're
we're
we're
we're
being
recorded,
so
I'll
be
a
little
bit
delicate,
but
because
we
have
been
trying
to
comply
with
the
mo
open
meetings
Act,
we
need
to
be
cautious
to
stay
under
a
a
quorum
after
the
first
and
just
mainly
because
there
are
people
that,
like
to
question
those
things
and
so
I'd.
Rather
the
task
force,
you
know,
say:
stay
safe.
If
any
complaints
are
filed,
you
know
I've
been
inside
those
walls
before
and
they're.
L
A
B
Yeah,
just
a
quick
offering
here
Marcella,
we
see
you
my
friend
just
to
say
that
if,
if
the
UNM
folks,
you
know
that
works
gonna
go
through
June,
then
July
is
going
to
be
utilized
to
you
know,
put
the
report
together.
Could
we
just
hypothetically
say
that
we
would
whether
a
subcommittee
or
some
form
whoever's
available
for
the
task
force
still
meet
on
those
Tuesday
dates
that
we
have
all
kind
of
earmarked
already
that's
just
an
offering,
but
I'll
turn
it
to
Marcella
and
look
forward
to
hearing
next
steps.
E
E
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
just
as
a
task
force,
member
as
the
Director
of
my
organization
and
as
a
community
member
that
we
actually
do
have
a
full
meeting
at
the
towards
the
end
of
this,
where
we
are
sharing
with
each
other
in
a
way
that
is
open
to
the
public,
for
transparency
sake
for
Community,
education's
sake.
Where
we're
talking
about
what
our
recommendations
were,
how
we
came
to
them
and
then
we
can
vote
on
them
or
whatever
process.
It
is
so
that
we're
engaging
with
each
other
in
a
public
way.
E
D
Okay
yeah,
if
I
can
figure
out
how
to
mute
is
I.
I
know
this
is
cumbersome,
but
maybe
there
is
not
an
opportunity
for
an
amendment
to
the
the
resolution
to
the
end
of
June.
I
know
that
that
can
be
slightly
problematic
because
there
have
been
extensions
before
and
Council.
You
know
mayor,
you
know,
may
have
their
opinions
on
that.
D
L
No
thanks,
Gino
I
think
that's
why
I
brought
it
up,
because
you
know
I
I
think
we
can
propose
an
extension
I
think
it
would
I,
don't
know
how
it
would
be
meant
to
tell
you
the
truth.
So
we'll
have
to
try
to
figure
it
out
so
I
mean
we
can
try
it
if
it
works
and
the
council's
for
it
great.
If
not
you
know
we
we
may
have
to
revert
to
smaller
task
force
meetings.
B
E
I
G
I
F
B
Val,
if
you
want
to
go
first,
oh
no,
it
was
just
along
the
lines
of
what's
been
already
touched
on
so
I'll,
be
on
standby,
so
that
to
get
a
sense
of
whether
it's
going
to
be
through
July
or
August
for
support,
so
I'll
wait
for
you
Julie
and
then
and
then
I'll
submit
my
my
start
to
you.
Sorry
I
forgot
my
words
back
to
you.
Julie.
F
I,
don't
have
a
lot
of
updates
only
that
the
UNM
contract
expires,
June,
30th
and
we'll
actually
need
to
get
the
invoice
for
services
and
final
report
before
then,
given
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
so
I'm
gonna
I've
started
emailing
UNM
to
get
that
that
final
report,
because
that
we
actually
need
it
in
one
month.
We
need
it
by
June
16th
in
order
to
close
out
their
Po
and
get
them
paid
per
our
finances
deadlines.
L
E
So
this
is
for
Julie
as
well.
My
last
conversation,
which
was
a
couple
days
ago
with
Gabe,
is
they
had
in
the
contract,
40
interviews
and
or
participants
focus
groups.
We
already
have
like
30.
they're,
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
the
video
portion
of
it
because
it
just
didn't
work
out
with
youth,
but
they
are
doing
robust
focus
groups
in
part
because
of
Mary
Louise,
with
young
people
and
they're
reaching
out
to
the
other
like
boys
and
girls,
club
and
other
folks.
So.
J
E
Are
able
to
go
from
40
to
almost
80,
which
interviews
and
focus
groups,
so
let's
keep
populating
that
Google
doc
with
ideas
as
to
who
they
can
interview
and
focus
group.
So
far,
we've
done
focus
groups,
two
focus
groups
with
Spanish
speaking
immigrant
community
members
here
at
somos
we're
going
to
do
a
third
focus
group
with
another
10
people
and
then
Mary
Louise
is
having
two
folk
groups
with
young
people.
Emily
and
Monica
are
putting
together
just
connecting
them
to
either
possible
focus
groups
or
interviews.
E
F
So
I
think
to
answer
your
question
on
the
contract.
You
know
we
had
talked
about
putting
in
flexibility
in
the
contract
but
decided
against
that
around
the
photo
voice.
So
unfortunately
he
can
only
Bill
us
for
what's
in
the
contract
and
if
he's
unable
to
meet
those
deliverables
that,
unfortunately
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
pay
that
portion
of
the
contract
out
and
I
can
make
that
clear
to
him
and
the
team
at
UNM.
E
Okay,
I'll
have
them
contact
you
directly
about
that,
because
we,
of
course,
would
prefer,
since
that's
not
going
to
happen,
that
he
used
that
funding
for
more
focus
groups
and
interviews,
because
that
enriches
and
gives
us
a
better
basis
on
upon
which
to
make
our
recommendations.
So
hopefully
that
can
all
get
worked
out.
F
A
The
other
thing
is
I
had
asked
about
another
focus
group
and
he
told
me
to
wait
because
they
weren't
sure
about
the
budget.
So
I
would
double
check
before
saying
you're
gonna
put
a
focus
group
together
to
make
sure
there's
a
budget
for
that.
So
Julie.
You
might
want
to
ask
him
about.
What's
left
of
that
budget,
because
I
have
one
group
on
hold
because
he
said
he
wasn't
sure
he
had
funding
for
it.
E
This
is
so
important
to
us,
counselor
and
I.
Don't
know
who
your
group
is,
but
I'm
sure
we
need
their
information,
and
so
I
really
hope
that
there's
some
way
to
build
some
flexibility
for
that
budget.
If
not,
the
money
is
basically
a
hundred
dollars
per
person
and
I.
Think
we
can
put
our
heads
together.
E
C
A
A
A
A
L
J
What
it
did
is
it
eliminated
patch
bail,
I.
Think
there's
like
common
misconceptions
about
it.
There
still
could
be
bail,
but
instead
of
it
going
being
paid
to
an
individual
private
like
bail,
bondsman,
it
actually.
10
percent
goes
to
the
court
and
then
once
you
show
up
at
the
end,
you
can
get
it
back.
So
it's
a
wonderful
system.
J
It
means
that
people
can
get
out
of
jail
just
based
on
a
number
of
factors
and
they're
like
risk
factors,
you
don't
need
an
attorney
for
that,
but
most
people
are
represented
by
the
public
defender
anyways,
so
you
usually
have
an
attorney
at
arraignment.
This
is
in
the
state
system
also
with
the
municipal
system.
J
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
public
defender
goes
goes
to
the
court
for
arraignments,
when
I
was
a
public
defender,
I
used
to
go
to
the
go
to
the
excuse,
me
go
to
the
jail
for
arraignments
and
the
muni
court
was
always
doing
arraignments
right
before
and
they
have
to
follow
sorry,
my
dog.
They
have
to
follow
the
same
criteria.
J
So
it's
actually
significantly
sorry
it's
significantly
cheaper
for
people
now
than
it
was
before
before.
If
you
had
money
you
could
get
out
now,
it's
not
based
on.
If
you
have
money
or
not,
it's
based
on
a
variety
of
risk
factors
we
could
I
mean
I
could
break
out
the
rule
and
I
can
send
it
to
you.
So
you
can
look
at
it.
There's
a
core
rule.
It's
in
statute!
J
L
I,
don't
know
so
it's
it's
a
fairly
young
person.
You
know
in
his
20s
who's
been
arrested
before
and
during
the
Bail
Bonds
process
said
he
could
get
a
bail
bondsman.
He
could
call
and
get
out
within
a
couple
hours,
but
he
said
now
with
the
new
system
he
had
to
spend
the
weekend
in
jail
because
there
wasn't
an
attorney
available.
Not
you.
B
J
J
So
it
may
be
that
he
was
released
and
you
know
he
may
I,
don't
know
he
may
or
may
not
have
understood
why
he
was
released
so
quickly,
whereas
now
he's
an
adult
and
it's
a
little
bit
different.
But
Bill
reform
is
really
amazing
for
the
community
and
you
know
there's
so
much
misinformation
about
bail
reform,
people
thinking,
oh
everybody
just
gets
out
now.
That's
not
the
case
at
all.
J
All
it
means
is
that
when
you
pay,
when
the
court
court
looks
at
you
know
the
offense
and
then
looks
at
your
history,
they
have
a
number
of
criteria
they
decide.
Are
they
going
to
give
you?
You
know
it
can
be
an
appearance,
Bond,
meaning
you
just
have
to
show
up
and
you
get
released
with
nothing.
You
can
be
released
on
your
own
recognizance
or
you
start
getting
actual
monetary
amounts
like
2500,
5
000,
and
you
pay
ten
percent
to
the
court.
So
you
still
have
to
pay
right.
J
J
You
can
always
call
me
I'm
happy
to
chat
about
it.
More
and
I
can
I
can
show
you
the
rule,
because
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
rule,
it
lays
all
the
things
the
judge
can
take
into
consideration
when
they
want
to
keep
somebody
in
custody
and
that's
what
we
can
get
into
some
of
the
larger
stuff
too,
but
I'm
happy
to
chat
with
that
on
with
with
you
offline
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
A
A
30
seconds
with
our
group
all
right
so
before
before
you
put
us
in
our
little
boxes
about
Lydia.
Thank
you
all
for
for
this
work
and
we'll
work
it
out.
It's
just
hard
to
figure
out
for
me
like
oh
asking
for
extensions
is
very
painful
and
the
last
one
was
really
bad.
So
just
saying
that's
how
it
rolls
I,
don't
know
we'll
have
to
see
what
what
our
options
are
so
and
if
there's
no
other
questions,
we
can
go
into
our
boxes.