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A
A
Here:
okay,
so
we
have
a
quorum
under
approval
of
the
agenda.
We
will
begin
with
the
municipal
court
budget.
Then
we
will
move
to
the
city,
clerk,
council
and
constituent
services,
and
then
we
will
go
on
to
the
public
works
continuation
and
if
there's
time,
the
utilities,
continuation
and
at
3
30.
I
would
like
to
give
afscme
an
opportunity
to
address
the
finance
committee.
A
They
sent
us
an
email
I
reached
out
to
them
and
asked
if
they
wanted
to
speak
to
us
today
and
they
said
that
they
would
be
willing
to
speak
to
us
at
3
30,
and
then
we
will
have
a
hard
stop
at
4
pm.
Is
there
any
discussion
or
questions
regarding
today's
agenda.
C
D
B
E
E
E
This
is
judge
virginia
hill,
santa
fe
municipal
court,
and
thank
you
for
accommodating
our
schedule
for
today.
I
do
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that
we
are
going
to
go
before
council
this
coming
wednesday.
To
give
you
an
update
and
it'll
be
mostly
a
covet
update.
We
have
been
doing
everything
that
we've
been
guided
through
with
the
city
administration,
the
mayor's
office
and
the
city
manager's
office
finance
and
work
also
closely
with
human
services.
E
With
regard
to
getting
towards
our
budget
requests
before
you,
we
don't
have
a
large
budget,
actually,
the
areas
that
we
did
cut
that
I
think
I'll
just
highlight
real
quick
is:
we
are
no
longer
doing
mediation
because
mediation
was
done
for
animal
control
cases.
That
now
is
a
civil
matter,
so
we
no
longer
have
mediation
contracts.
E
E
That
cost
was
a
washout
because
we
just
transferred
all
that
was
required:
staff
and
laptops
copiers
and
all
when
we
went
there.
The
other
area
that
actually
was
cut
was
it
looks
like.
E
E
I
am
having
the
difficulty
of
losing
seasoned
clerks
to
other
places
because
I
am
not
able
to
promote
them
within,
but
as
a
result
of
that,
you
have
the
budget
before
you
and
I
think
really
less
is
more.
If
you
have
specific
questions,
jackie
baca
who's
been
working
very
closely
on
the
numbers
is
our
deputy
finance
director
and
she
can
probably
answer
what
I
what
I
can't
so
I
stand
for
questions.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you
judge,
v
hill.
It's
good
to
see
you
and
thanks
for
joining
us
this
afternoon.
It
would
be
helpful
if
your
analyst
could
walk
us
through.
Specifically,
what
we've
been
doing
on
each
of
these
budget
is
budgets
is
hearing
in
particular
in
the
contractual
areas
and
other
operating
costs.
H
I
know
you
kind
of
hit
some
of
the
highlights,
but
what
so,
if
you
take
the
general
fund
in
your
budget
contract,
contractuals
and
utilities,
what
makes
up
that
twenty
thousand
nine
hundred
fifty
dollars?
What
what's
in
that
specific
line
item
that's
being
cut?
I
refer
to
jackie.
I
Mr
chair
counselor
romero.
Some
of
the
cuts
that
we
made
there
were
one
specifically
would
be
the
pro
tem
judges.
We
cut
that
by
ten
thousand
dollars.
Some
of
the
other
areas
that
we
cut
were
had
to
do
with
gas
electricity,
which
comes
through
finance,
to
determine
what
amounts
that
would
be.
There
were
those
that
were
cut
by
5000,
which
was
the
water,
and
then
we
had
small
increases
to
gas
and
electricity.
I
H
How
much
do
you
still
have
left
for
pro
tem
judges?
You
cut
10
000.
I
assume
you
didn't
cut
them
out
completely
because
you
need
them.
That
is
correct.
Counselor.
We
have
45.
I
Again,
that
includes
services
from
other
city
entities,
which
was
a
large
amount
which,
which
is
a
very
huge
part
of
that
which
came
up
to
370
000.
Then
we
did
have
some
increases,
so
it
netted
out
to
the
246.
I
No
of
the
the
services
from
other
city
that
amounted
a
reduction
of
370.
B
I
can
go
ahead
and
fill
that
one
and
assist
jackie
a
bed.
You
know
those
are
all
of
the
itt
costs.
That
would
be
one.
You
know
for
the
I.t
equipment
that
they
use
at
the
municipal
court
very
similar
and
in
line
to
what
we
have
been
discussing
previously.
I
think
andy
hopkins
is
also
on
the
line.
If
you
wanted
to
go
into
some
more
detail
with
this
one.
G
Mr
chair
councilor,
romero
wirth,
that's
correct.
This
municipal
court,
being
primarily
general
funded
general
fund
funded,
is
just
paying
for
the
cost
of
I.t
and
fleet,
which
I
I
think
it's
mostly
I.t,
because
municipal
doesn't
have
a
real
big
fleet.
As
you
would
imagine,.
H
Right,
okay
and
then
on
the
the
law,
enforcement,
contractual
and
utilities
line
item.
Again,
I'm
not
so
much
concerned
about
the
utilities
as
what's
in
what
contracts
are
you
cutting
that
make
up
that
hundred
sixty
thousand.
I
I
Mr
chair
counselor
romero.
We
are
not,
but
we
are
still
sending
teams
to
the
county
through
team
court
which
they
will
be
participating.
H
Thank
you
and
then
just
just
to
finish
out,
then
the
other
operating
costs
of
eight
thousand
dollars.
That
same
kind
of
thing
is
that
services
from
other
city
entities.
I
H
D
You,
mr
chair,
and
thanks
judge
mcgill
for
joining
us
and
also
your
staff
for
joining
us.
Just
had
a
clarification
that
one
piece
so
I
I
understand
the
reduction
for
other
operating
is
was
pretty
significant,
but
but
aren't
you
all,
then
still
utilizing
I.t
and
fleet,
but
just
not
at
the
same
level
or
what
exactly
was
reduced.
I
don't
understand.
E
D
It's
a
general
fund,
it's
the
other,
operating
that
we
were
just
talking
about
and
the
reduction
that
you
all
had,
and
I
was
just
curious.
What
shifted
I
mean
you
probably
still
have
the
same
level
of
I.t
needs
from
services
from
other
city
entities.
So
I'm
just
curious.
What,
then,
did
you
cut?
I
Mr
chair
counselor,
in
the
past
couple
of
years
we
had
purchased
all
new
computers
for
municipal
court,
which
was
a
huge
expense
for
the
court.
I
We
bought
video
equipment,
which
I
it
participated
in
assisting
with
that
that
was
for
the
video
arraignments
to
the
detention
center,
so
those
are
kind
of
one-time
expenses
to
some
degree
for
the
next
few
years.
D
Okay,
that
makes
sense.
I
was
just
trying
to
figure
out,
because
I'm
sure
I
just
assumed
you
all
have
even
more
it's
supporting
it.
Now
that
you're
doing
a
lot
of
things
virtually
so
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
reduction
was.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
just
understand
better
is
the
fun
title
for
law
enforcement.
Is
that
the
same
fund
that
we
had
discussed
in
another?
E
B
Mr
chair
counselor,
yes,
this
is
fun223.
The
law
enforcement
fund
has
been
utilized
in
several
different
departments.
We
can
go
ahead
and
provide
you
a
breakdown
of
that,
if
that
would
assist
in
understanding
the
not
only
the
expenditures
out
of
this
for
each
of
the
different
funds,
but
also
the
revenue
into
this.
D
B
D
Yeah,
that's
it!
Thank
you
all.
J
Very
much
mr
chair
and
thank
you
judge,
b
hill
for
being
here
and
jackie.
Thank
you
as
well.
I
had
a
quick
question
about
so
I
heard
that
three
things
that
were
no
longer
happening:
the
animal
control
median
because
that's
been
moved
to
civil,
no
longer
doing
the
homeless
court
correct
correct,
and
does
that
mean
that
it's
no
longer
occurring
or
we're
just
no
longer
doing
it.
J
Yeah:
okay:
okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification
and
then
also
it's
been
mentioned,
not
contributing
to
teen
court.
Do
we
have
an
idea
of
how
that's
going
to
impact
that
service.
E
No,
we
don't
because
we
we
contribute
to
them,
they
budget
for
the
service
and
it's
a
santa
fe
county
city
contribution,
and
I
think
it's
run
mostly
by
santa
fe
county.
I
do
know
that,
for
the
longest
time
most
of
their
referrals
did
come
from
the
city
municipal
court
and
because
that's
been
lessened
now
I
don't
know
how
it's
going
to
impact
their
program,
because
I'm
not
engaged
in
how
their
program
actually
runs
or
what
their
budget
is.
E
J
40
000.,
thank
you
and
then
did
I
miss
any
other
services
that
were
being
changed
or
altered,
or
that
we
were
no
longer
contributing
to.
E
The
dui
drug
court
services,
we
had
a
sole
source
provider
for
that
counselor
and
that
no,
that
contract
no
longer
exists,
but-
and
I
really
want
to
sort
of
underscore
this-
there
are
silver
linings
in
this
transition
through
covid,
one
of
them
being
that
we
are
now
doing
a
lot
of
what
that
service
provider
did
in-house,
plus
we're
customizing
treatment
for
the
participants
in
dui
drug
court,
as
it
was
before
that
that
sole
source
provider
provided
all
of
the
treatment
components
and
now
we're
using
more
of
community-based
treatment
components.
E
For
example,
if
a
dui
drug
court
participant
does
get
accepted
by
santa
fe
recovery,
santa
fe
guidance
center
or
other
services
that
are
available
through
the
community,
we're
trying
to
implement
that
treatment
component
outside
of
that
contract,
so
it's
actually
been
working
thus
far,
the
jury's
still
out.
We
don't
know
exactly
how
it
will
work,
but
we're
trying
to
be
creative
when
we
did
this.
J
Muted,
sorry,
thank
you
so
much
for
explaining
those
those
changes
and
for
showing
us
what
that
silver
lining
is.
So
I
do
look
forward
to
hearing
some
more
updates
on
on
how
these
processes
continue
to
evolve
as
we
move
through
this.
Those
were
all
my
questions
unless
I
missed
anything
else
that
would
fall
under
this
category.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair
hi
judge,
v
hill.
K
I'm
very
glad
to
hear
about
what
you're
doing
with
dui
drug
court.
As
you
know,
it's
a
a
program
that
I
have
experience
with
that
the
district
court
and
it's
an
excellent
program
and
I'm
I'm
glad
you're.
You
know
continuing
to
push
ahead
with
it,
because
it's
something
that
can
yield
great
results
and
kudos
to
you
for
doing
that.
K
My
next
question
has
to
do
with
the
public
defender
person
employee
that
we
have
at
the
city-
and
I
brought
this
up
during
the
budget
presentation,
for
I
already
forgot
what
it's
called
the
community
health
and
safety
department.
Well,
as
you
know,
the
public
defender
for
the
city
is
housed
in
community
services
under
kyra
ochoa
and
then
that
department
is
being
reduced
to.
K
I
guess,
division
level
under
this
new
public
safety
arena,
and
so
the
public
defender's
status
goes
further
down
into
the
organization
with
putting
it
in
this
new
community
health
and
safety
department.
It's
housed
in
there
with
alongside
the
police
department,
and
so
my
concern
was
the
placement
of
it
and
the
and
and
that
it
would
be
in
the
same
department
as
those
who
charge
the
defendants
who
need
public
defense
with
you
know,
crimes
of
what
whatever
nature.
K
So
I
I've
not
been
a
proponent
of
the
location
of
the
public
defender
since
I
began
my
term
as
city
councilor,
because
I
don't
think
it's
on
an
equal
playing
field
and,
like
we
have
say
in
state
government,
we've
got
the
da's
office
and
the
public
defender's
office.
Then
at
city
hall,
we've
got
a
fairly
fairly
well-funded
city,
attorney's
office,
housing,
the
prosecutor,
and
then
we've
got
the
public
defender
way
down
in
in
the
dungeons
of
city
government.
K
I
had
raised
the
issue
earlier
that
perhaps
the
public
defender's
office
could
be
housed
in
municipal
court.
I
I
can't
think
of
anywhere
else.
It
would
go
but
better
than
than
where
it
is
now,
which
I
think
is
misplaced.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
on
that?
Well,
the
public
defender.
E
And
the
prosecutor
are
both
housed
in
municipal
court.
How
they
have
been
separated
from
us
is
to
avoid
the
conflict
of
interest,
and
so
initially
as
the
last
I
knew,
because
I'm
not
involved
in
those
administrative
decisions,
is
the
public
defender
was
with
the
city
manager's
office.
I
didn't
know
about
any
of
the
reorganization
and
placing
them
in
the
community
services
department.
E
I
think
my
only
concern
would
be
that
they
not
be
under
the
authority
of
the
municipal
court
because
they
do
need
to
be
supervised
separately
from
the
court
where
they
represent
their
clients
from,
but
they
are
housed
in
municipal
court.
Ideally,
it
would
be
good
to
house
both
the
prosecutor
and
the
public
defender
elsewhere
to
avoid
any
kind
of
conflict
of
interest
perception
or
otherwise.
E
However,
it's
awfully
convenient
to
have
them
in
municipal
court,
and
I
think
that
one
time
there
was
a
proposal
that
may
be
housed
because
we're
next
to
the
police
department
at
the
police
department
and
that
would
create
separation
of
conflict
of
interest
with
the
municipal
court.
So
not
having
been
a
part
of
any
of
those
decisions.
The
only
thing
I
can
tell
you
is:
what's
what
we
currently
have
is
working
very
well.
E
You
know
both
the
public
defender
and
the
prosecutor
and
myself
are
well
aware
of
not
violating
any
code
of
conduct
with
regard
to
knowing
where
our
barriers
are.
So
I
I'm
okay
with
the
way
it
is
right
now
and
I
I
have
not
seen
any
conflict
of
interest
with
them
being
housed
in
municipal
court
and
I
think
administratively
I
don't
have
really
say
so
in
terms
of
who
supervises
them.
K
E
K
Now
no
they're,
they
aren't
the
public
defender,
isn't
housed
with
the
city
manager
and
hasn't
been
for
at
least
I
don't
even
know
when,
but
it's
it's
in
community
services
right
now,
under
kiera,
ochoa
and
with
reorganization
it'll
be
lowered
down,
but
I
mean
I
you
know,
and
I
the
concern
I
had
though,
and
and
maybe
you've
elated,
that
concern
is
that
it
now
will
be
in
there
with
the
police
department
in
the
same
organization
same
chain
of
command,
so
that
was
of
concern,
but
I
just
you
know
organizational
chart
wise.
K
It
just
doesn't
seem
to
have
equal
footing
and
I
suppose
the
reason
it's
working
is
because
the
people
in
those
positions
are
being
able
to
make
it
work.
And
that's
what
I
I
hear
you
say
it
does
work:
okay,
okay!
Well,
I
I
appreciate
your
answer
and
thank
you
for
working
on
drug
court.
K
A
You
is
there
a
motion
regarding
the
municipal
court
budget.
L
L
So
today
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
the
city
clerk's
office.
L
L
L
L
L
That's
been
a
couple
of
weeks
now,
so
the
committees
that
are
receiving
stenographers
to
do
minutes
are
the
planning
commission
board
of
adjustment,
the
h
board
archaeological
and
the
governing
body
meetings
for
all
the
other
meetings.
The
staff
will
be
comprising
those
or
composing.
Excuse
me,
composing
those
minutes
and
submitting
those
for
approval.
L
We
have
done
a
reduction
there,
and
repairs
and
maintenance
mostly
covers
our
mail
room
and
duplicating
equipment,
and
we
have
been
able
to
do
a
reduction
based
off
of
the
number
of
copies
that
we
are
currently
running
with
city
hall.
Closed
we're
not
running
as
many
copies,
so
we
were
able
to
to
do
a
reduction.
L
The
copy
charges
are
included.
Excuse
me
in
the
maintenance
contracts
under
supplies.
This
is
just
very
general
office.
Supplies
are
clothing
and
uniforms.
Gasoline
any
software
subscriptions
and
auto
parts.
L
Insurance,
I
would
insurance
and
actually
just
insurance.
I
would
refer
to
the
finance
director
if
you
have
any
questions
on
that,
are
other
operating
costs.
Those
include
printing
and
publishing.
That's
like
our.
We
publish
our
notice
of
public
hearings,
our
adoptions
ordinances
and
our
weekly
meeting
list.
L
The
transfers
out,
that's
in
our
public
campaign
financing
fund.
So
currently
we
have
seven
hundred
and
ninety
seven
thousand
nine
hundred
and
twenty
four
dollars
in
that
fund.
So
we
were
only
shy
a
little
over
two
thousand
dollars
of
coming
up
with
the
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars,
that's
required
by
code,
and
that
says
that
if,
if
we
have
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
the
code,
we're
not
required
to
put
in
the
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
per
budget
cycle
and
that's
pursuant
to
9-3.4
of
our.
D
L
A
Great
thank
you
councilwoman
worth.
H
Thank
you.
Thank
you
yolanda
for
being
here.
So
can
we
just
walk
through
this
again
and
can
we
focus
on
what's
being
cut
not
what's
in
the
line
items,
so
I
got
the
salaries
and
wages.
You
have
two
vacancies,
then
in
the
contractual
and
utilities.
H
L
Yeah,
we
will
still
be
providing
stenographer
services
for
the
meetings
that
I
that
I
mentioned.
H
Right,
okay,
but
that
but
the
amount,
the
amount
of
the
cut
the
133
200
is
all
for
stenographers.
Or
is
there
some
utilities
in
there?
That's
that
are
being
cut
as
well
utilities
as
well,
okay,
and
then,
if
we
just
jump
down
to
other
operating
costs,
the
47
391.
What
specifically
is
being
cut.
L
So
on
that
we
did
a
reduction
in
printing
and
publishing
about
3
000.
We
cut
dues,
the
bulk
of
that,
as
I
mentioned,
was
in
under
postage
that
was
20
500
travel.
All
travel
was
deleted
from
the
budget.
Those
were
the
main.
H
L
I
requested
that
amount.
I
would
refer
to
or
defer
this
question
to
the
finance
director.
H
B
G
No
just
that
the
enabling
city
code
requires
that
150
000
per
year
by
the
virtue
of
its
language.
H
Okay,
but
I
think
this
is
where
yeah
so
yolanda,
maybe
you
can
clarify
what
yolanda
said
is
if
we
were
at
a
hundred
thousand,
we
don't
have
to
put
in
the
150
000
right
and
so
we're
only
so
really
all
we
need
this
year
is
2076
to
bring
us
up
to
the
800
000.
We
don't
need
the
full
150.,
so
I
think
we
may
be
putting
in
more
money
than
we
need.
G
Well,
counselor,
I
would.
I
would
definitely
agree
that
it's
more
more
that
needs
to
be
in
here,
but
my
understanding
was
from
talking
to
yolanda
a
couple
years
ago
about
it,
and
maybe
I'm
remembering
this
incorrectly,
but
the
enabling
the
city
code
or
ordinance
that
enabled
this
requires
150
000
per
year
in
its
language.
Yes,.
H
So
mary,
if
we
could
look
at
that,
I
I
don't
think
it
needs
a
full
150
and-
and
this
was
part
I
believe
this
was
part
of
the
legislation
and
the
changes
that
were
made
after
the
last
election
to
make
sure
that
this
fund
didn't
accumulate
more
money
than
was
necessary
to
provide
for
public
financing
as
we
go
into
the
election
cycle.
B
H
Think
that
line
item
can
be
decreased
all
right
and
then
just
to
go
back
to
the
public
campaign
financing
there's
what
kinds
of
things
were
in
there.
I
guess
that
was
when
we
were
rolling
out
ranked
choice.
Voting
is
that
right
and
that's
all
that
stuff
was
budgeted
for
ranked
choice,
voting
public
education
or
why?
Why
have
we?
Not?
L
Councillor
dometo
worth
counsellors:
this
fund
is
specifically
for
public
financing.
It
doesn't
cover
any
election
costs,
it's
specifically
for
public
financing,
so
for
those
candidates
that
apply
and
qualify
for
public
financing.
That's
what
this
fund
is
used
for
the
election,
that
214.
H
H
I'm
sorry
so
can
the
the
the
fund
number
is
214
and
it
says
public
campaign
financing,
contractual
and
utility
in
fy
18
actuals
was
155
000,
then
there's
a
line
item
for
other
operating
costs,
68
958
and
then
transfers
out
109
000.
That's
all
that
the
the
fund
itself
that
that
pays
for
publicly
financed
candidates.
H
G
G
A
B
Yeah
last
november,
mr
chair
counselors,
we'll
look
into
that.
We'll
get
work
with
yolanda,
the
city
clerk
there's
also
in
the
city
clerk's
budget,
a
an
elections
section,
and
so
some
of
the
expenses
may
have
been
in
the
elections
section,
but
we
will
provide
you
all
of
that
detail
and
with
a
breakout
between
what
was
funded
by
the
general
fund
versus
what
was
funded
by
the
public
campaign
financing
fund.
D
Councilwoman
villarreal,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thanks
council
rometta
worth
for
bringing
that
up,
because
I
couldn't
quite
understand
why
it
was
broken
down
that
way
and
that
there
was
zeroed
out
and
no
expenses
on
the
campaign
financing
line
items.
So
I
guess
when
we
get
the
revised
one,
the
transfers
out
would
be
corrected
and
then
the
public
campaign
financing
rows
would
then
be
populated
and
the
change
would
only
be
that
missing
section
or
the
missing
amount,
which
was
two
thousand
something
right:
yolanda.
D
Okay
and
yolanda,
can
you
describe
to
me
now
that
there's
there's
certain
things
your
office
doesn't
have
to
do
any
longer
in
terms
of
elections
and
preparations
and
budgets
what
what
was
adjusted
in
this
next
round
for
this
budget?
L
Thank
you
for
the
question.
There
really
wasn't
much
adjustment
this
for
this
election
cycle,
because
it
really
won't
start
till
next
fiscal
year,
so
meaning
july
of
21
would
be
when
expenses
would
start
coming
in.
So
this
is
basically
our
off
year.
L
Okay,
even
though
you
know,
petitions
and
everything
will
start
beginning
of
next
year,
but
the
expenditures
won't
be
till
after
july
after
july,.
D
L
Thank
you,
council
verial,
chair,
beta
counselors.
I
would
work
with
director
mccoy
to
then
prepare
a
budget.
We
didn't
anticipate
any
special
elections
or
any
special
issues
coming
up.
So
therefore
you
know
we
didn't
budget
for
anything,
but
if
something
should
arise
then,
yes,
I
would
work
with
director
mccoy.
D
Okay,
I
don't
have
anything
in
particular
that
I'm
thinking
of,
but
I
was
just
thinking
just
in
case-
something
does
come
up
and
it
does
need
to
be
a
ballot
initiative
where
we
need
to
do
more
education
and
outreach
if
we
had
funding
just
in
case
something
comes
up
before
july
of
next
year.
L
Thank
you.
I
don't
know
if
there
would
be
a
mid-year
budget
review
as
well.
That
could
be
another
another
time
that
we
could.
You
know,
increase
the
election
budget.
D
Okay,
just
because
I
was
thinking
about
ranked
choice
and
how
much
money
ended
up,
we
had
to
allocate
in
order
to
prepare
for
that
and
do
education
and
outreach
that
wasn't
initially
in
the
budget.
So
I
don't
know
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
be
cautious,
but
if
we're
doing
updates
on
budgets,
I
guess
finance.
You
would
look
at
that
if
that
was
something
we
needed
to
consider
in
them
at
the
beginning
of
2021,.
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
yes,
we
would
be
bringing
you,
as
the
city
clerk
mentioned,
a
proposed
budget
to
review
for
your
approval.
D
A
Welcome,
okay,
I'm
gonna
actually
ask
for
a
motion
on
the
city
clerk's
budget,
because
it's
still
a
separate
department
and,
as
we've
talked,
I
think,
there's
a
little
bit
of
confusion,
but
the
reorg
is
something
that's
gonna
be
approved,
maybe
the
end
of
august.
So
let's
is
there
a
motion
regarding
the
city,
clerk's
budget.
B
Phone
second,
mr
chair
counselors,
if
I
may,
you
can
move
to
reduce
the
budget
by
the
amount
that
is
necessary.
Okay,
we
do
not
have
to
postpone.
H
B
Mr
chair
councillors
and
since
the
last
election
was
in
fiscal
year
20,
those
expenses
would
have
been
in
fiscal
year
20..
We
are
continuing
to
close
out
the
year,
but
we
will
get
you
our
best
estimate
of
those
expenses
out
of
the
public
campaign
financing
fund,
since
they
were
in
the
fall.
We'll
have
a
a
pretty
good
accounting
of
those
expenses
for
the
public
campaign
financing
fund,
but
in
order
to
proceed
and
not
to
delay
any
further,
the
motion
can
be
made
to
reduce
the
operating
transfer
out.
H
N
A
Yes,
okay,
so
that
motion
passes.
Let's
hear
now
from
constituent
and
council.
O
Hey
counselor,
chair
of
apa
city
council,
my
budget
is
pretty
simple
I
can
walk
through.
I
do
want
to
mention
that
it
looks
like
on
the
contractual
contracts
and
utilities.
It
looks
like
there's
an
increase,
it's
actually
just
a
realignment
of
our
comcast
franchise
fees.
So
that's
probably
the
item
to
note
in
the
budget,
but
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
more
than
happy
to
address
them.
I
know
counselor
romeroworth
has
asked
kind
of
what
is
not
being
funded
this
year
and
so
most
of
the
contractual
money.
O
Again
it
looks
like
there's
an
increase.
There's
a
transfer
in
on
one
of
the
franchise
fees
for
our
comcast
franchise
fees,
but
really
the
biggest
thing
is
probably
the
money
for
our
website
redevelopment
there's
still
money
in
our
contractual
line
item
for
that
it
was
just
reduced
to
accommodate
our
overall
budget
reduction.
H
So
I
do
have
questions
on
this
department
budget
in
the
salaries
and
wages
line,
item
and
benefits.
So
in
it
because
I
don't
quite
understand,
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
movement
in
in
terms
of
positions.
So
at
one
point
we
had
budgeted
to
council
staff
people.
I
don't
know
what
we
call
them
and
to
my
knowledge,
and
then
we
have
some
constituents
services.
H
Folks-
and
I
don't
I
don't
know-
what's
happened
with
those
ftes,
so
I
don't
know
if
they
morphed
into
something
else
or-
and
I
know
you
know
we
had-
we
had
some
folks
who,
who
left
and
their
you
know
they
had
leave
or
whatever
that
was
taking
us
through.
H
I
think
the
last
fiscal
year
and
just
if
maybe
if
you
could
just
walk
through
how
all
that
lays
out,
because
I
I
know
at
one
point,
we
had
two
positions
that
were
supposed
to
be
dedicated
to
staffing
the
council
and
I
believe
we
only
have
one
or
that
I'm
aware
of
so
maybe
you
can
help
me
understand
how
that
all
shook
out.
O
Work,
counselor,
there's
still
two
positions.
As
you
mentioned,
council
liaison
positions,
one
was
frozen
as
part
of
the
overall
freezing
for
hiring,
but
there
are
still
two
positions
and
at
some
point
in
the
year
there
were
two
positions
filled
and
then
one
of
the
liaisons
left.
So
right,
jennifer
is
the
sole
counsel
liaison
at
this
time,
and
so
position
is
still
there.
H
But
it's
not
reflected
in
the
line
item
right,
because
the
line
item
shows
a
percentage
change
of
sorry,
my
32,
000
or
or
if
that
position
is
frozen,
shouldn't
that
savings
be
reflected
in
that
line.
Item.
O
Yes,
counselor
counselor,
chair,
counselor
romero
worth
one
of
there's
been
a
few
position
movements
as
well
within
our
department.
As
you
mentioned,
one
of
those
changes
was
that
the
communications
director
position
came
under
my
department,
as
well
as
the
another
communication
position.
So,
although
we
have
vacancy
savings,
other
positions
have
been
transferred
in
and
part
of
that
kind
of
made
the
offset
of
the
overall
salary
and
benefits.
O
Services
positions:
are
there
two
there's
one?
Yes,
one
constituent
services
position,
I'm
sorry,
counselor,
chair,
counselor,
maryland,
there's
one
constituent
services
position
and
then
there's
another
public
engagement.
Specialist
position
both
are
filled
both
are
filled.
H
D
Councilwoman
via
rael.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
don't.
Can
you
walk
us
through
this
again
christine
because
for
the
constituent
services
there
used
to
be
four
positions,
and
so
two
were
filled
and
now
you're
saying
we
just
have
one
liaison.
O
Filled
counselor,
chair
counselor
via
real
one,
is
filled.
The
one
one's.
O
O
Counselor,
chair,
counselor
payroll.
Yes,
one
of
the
positions
that
was
previously
a
constituent
services
position
was
re-titled
into
public
engagement.
The
other
positions
are
frozen.
D
D
A
D
A
D
All
right
and
see,
if
I
have
any
other.
O
Counselor,
chair
councilman
vrl,
that
is
correct.
There
is
the
the
communications
position
they
also
also
included
in
that
budget.
Is
the
public
information
officer
position
from
the
police
department,
so
you'll
see
those
two
positions
added
into
my
budget,
so
the
police
pio
is
under
yours
now
under
this
particular
budget
council
councilor,
chair
councilwoman
viral
that
is
correct.
O
D
Good
idea
so
they'll
be
asked
to
look
at
other
aspects
of
public
relations
and
press
releases
and
other
aspects
citywide
not
just
for
pd.
O
Counselor,
chair
and
councilwoman
via
rail.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
The
idea
is
to
have
the
positions
kind
of
cover,
more
departments
and
then
also
be
able
to
leverage
those
two
resources
into
more
information
distribution
and
better
engaging
our
constituents
by
pushing
out
more
information
across
multiple
departments.
H
H
Mr
chair,
can
we
get
an
fte
list
of
who's
in
this?
Can
we
can
we
just
have
that
memorialized.
B
B
Yes,
we
can
provide
that
we
are
providing
a
list,
as
was
requested
last
week,
of
all
of
the
positions
filled
and
vacant
in
each
of
the
departments,
so
that
we'll
also
include
community
engagement
in
that.
A
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair
christine.
I
know
one
of
our
bigger
challenges
or
requests
that
I've
received
a
lot
of
is
for
spanish
constituent
outreach.
What
in
this
budget
supports
that?
If,
if
anything
and
then
I
think
that
that's
a
real
place,
that
we
need
to
look
and
see
if
there's
any
possibility
of
increasing
in
this
budget,
because
I
think
that
that's
a
real,
real,
big
challenge
that
we
have
is
making
sure
that
we're
getting
spanish
language
out.
J
I
know
that
we
identified
about
three
thousand
dollars
in
the
council
budget
that
we
didn't
really
know
existed
and
that
could
potentially
be
utilized
for
some
interpretation
and
or
translation
services.
So
christine
can
you
let
me
know
what
we
already
have.
O
Here
sure
counselor
chair,
a
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez,
one
of
the
biggest
changes
to
all
of
this
is
with
the
introduction
of
the
comcast
franchise
fees
being
placed
into
my
budget.
Then
we
have
access
to
additional
funding
and
part
of
that
is
looking
at
not
only
translating
our
meetings
into
spanish
but
then
some
of
our
materials
as
well.
So
that's
where
some
of
that's
going
to
be
coming
from
and
then
you'll
also
see
a
slight
increase
in
my
printing
and
publishing
budget.
O
J
J
O
Counselor,
chair
council,
woman,
cassette
sanchez.
Yes,
that
is
the
goal.
That's
what
we're
looking
at
and
we're
currently
working
through
that
joe
and
myself
have
been
working
on
different
options,
and
one
thing
I
do
want
to
mention
that
I
have
not
is
we're
also
working
on
work
on
coordinating
with
some
of
our
local
nonprofits
to
see
if
there's
ways
that
we
can
kind
of
highlight
information
that
would
be
more
beneficial
as
well
as
building
out
some
very
specific
spanish
distribution,
email
lists
for
information.
O
So
we've
you
know,
there's
a
lot
going
on,
but
we're
really
excited
to
see
how
we
can
move
this
forward
over
the
next
fiscal
year.
J
That's
that's
really
encouraging
to
hear,
and
this
is
something
that
I
I
definitely
would
like
to
be
getting
regular
updates
on,
so
that
we
can
adjust
as
necessary.
So
if
we
are
finding
that
the
the
funding
that
we
are
allocating
here
now
is
going
to
be
sufficient
for
meeting
these
needs
and
for
providing
those
interpretations
and
translations
as
well
as
those
additional
spanish
language.
Outreach
avenues
that'd
be
great,
but
if
it's
not,
I
really
think
that
this
is
something
that
we
should
be
prioritizing
as
we
move
forward.
J
The
other
one
to
think
about
is
sign
language.
If
that
is
something
that
we
are
exploring
christine
have
we
started
to
look
into
that
yet.
O
Counselor,
chair,
counselor,
councilwoman.
Excuse
me
question
sanchez.
We've
done
some
minor
exploratory
with
sign
language,
but
we
also
have
an
ada
coordinator.
Who's
been
helping
with
some
of
this
and
he's
actually
in
the
public
works
position,
but
we've
been
taking
recommendations
from
this
state
level
board,
so
those
will
continue.
O
I
will
definitely
say
that
more
of
our
focus
has
been
on
some
of
the
spanish
information,
but
we
have
not
lost
sight
of
the
sign
language
as
well,
and,
oh
sorry,
just
to
continue
that
we
have
added
since
I've
in
recent
months
the
captioning
of
all
of
our
videos
that
we
put
online.
O
We
have
added
the
captioning
to
our
facebook
information
as
well,
so
we
have
kind
of
done
a
lot
of
the
closed
captioning
on
any
of
the
information
we're
putting
out,
including
on
our
console
videos,
council
meetings
and
any
of
our
city
council
subcommittee
meetings.
J
Wonderful,
thank
you.
I'm
really,
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
that.
Thank
you
so
much
for
continuing
to
move
forward
with
this
and
again.
This
is
something
that
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
keep
our
eye
on
and
if
the
funding
here
is
not
sufficient.
I
think
this
should
be
one
of
the
highest
priorities
that
we
have
for
making
sure
that
all
of
our
residents
can
really
access
city
government.
So,
thank
you
so
much.
Those
are
all
my
questions.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
ftes
for
for
community
engagement
and
or
constituent
services.
When,
when
my
recollection,
when
we
first
started
this
whole
idea,
we
started
in
one
budget
process
and
approved
four
positions.
K
So,
and
I
understand
that
you
know
since
then
other
things
have
happened,
but
so
going
back
to
the
constituent
services
liaisons
we
had
two
one
was
izzy
and
one
was
jeremy,
and
then
we
had
a
position.
I
think
you
failed
christine,
and
then
we
had
another
one
called
neighborhood
network,
some
kind
of
title
like
that
and
that
person's
responsibilities
was
to
coordinate
with
the
hoas
of
which
we
have
quite
a
few
in
the
city.
K
So
what
has
happened
with
that
emphasis
and
and
that
I
know
that
we
specifically
discussed
how
that
position
could
be
helpful
in
the
city,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
hoa
issues
and
do
you?
Can
you
refresh
what
what
did
that
position
morph
into
and
and
what
emphasis,
if
any,
at
all,
is
on
the
neighborhood
network
and
hoa
stuff.
O
Councilor,
chair
councilwoman,
v
hill
coupler.
That
position
has
not
morphed
into
any
other
position.
It's
still
the
neighborhood
engagement
coordinator
position.
It
was
advertised
and
interviewed
multiple
times
over
the
last
year.
It
was
not
filled
and
it
is
now
frozen
with
the
other
position,
so
it
it
is
still
on
the
roll.
It
has
not
morphed,
and
it
is
the
position
that
I,
that
is
still
within
our
our
department
budget
and
our
pol.
It's
just
frozen
like
the
others.
At
this
point
because
of
kovic.
H
It
is,
it
is
that
position
is
more
than
just
a
coordinating
hoas
right.
Well,
I
don't
recall
I
I
I
actually.
I
don't
think
I've
ever
heard
it
described
as
a
coordinating
hoas,
because
I
don't
know
that
we
have
any
control
over
hoas,
no
yeah.
K
I'm
I'm
councillor
romero
worth
I'm
not
insinuating
that
it's
just
an
hoa,
but
that
was
one
of
the
benefits
of
what
this
position
could
work
with.
I
don't
know
about
you
and
any
of
the
other
counselors,
but
I
get
a
lot
of
hoa
questions
attendance
at
hoas.
We
have
issues
that
they
believe
are
the
city
responsibilities,
not
hoas.
K
I
mean
there's
a
whole
magnitude
of
of
things
that
come
my
way
with
hoas,
but
no
the
position
wasn't
necessarily
just
hoas,
but
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
could
be,
or
I
know
because
I
I
wrote
the
job
descriptions
or
helped
write
them
and
working
with
hoas
was
one
of
the
described
duties
but,
more
importantly,
getting
out
in
the
neighborhoods
and
working
with
neighborhoods.
That
was
a
big
emphasis
of
that
position.
K
So
getting
back
to
the
ftes-
and
I
know
we're
going
to
get
this
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
miss
mccoy
say
that
that
they're
working
on
it
because
it's
a
really
important
part
of
our
budget-
it's
something
I
I
hoped
we
would
have
seen
last
week
so
that
we
could
understand
this
more
and
not
have
to
take
so
much
time
understanding
where
these
positions
went.
But
so
then,
so
if
the,
if
jeremy's
old
position
is
frozen
and
I'm
gonna
have
to
use
names
because
that's
the
only
way
I
can
keep
track.
K
So
it's
izzy
and
jeremy,
the
two
council
liaisons,
the
third
one,
was
the
one
I
just
spoke
of
neighborhood
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
neighborhood
network
or
engager
or
whatever.
That's
the
third
one
that's
frozen
christine.
Yours
was
one
of
the
four.
So
that's
four!
So
where
did
jennifer's
position
come
from
what
position
was
used
for
that.
O
Counselor
chair
council,
woman,
viho
coupler
jennifer
is
in
a
council
liaison
position
so.
K
A
Counselor
councilwoman
v,
hill,
koppler
and
christine,
I
think
you
also
had
we
had
seven
guru
les
position.
We
had
therese
prado's
position.
There
was
a
there
was
like
three
or
four
other
positions.
Maybe
three
that
became
vacant
right.
O
Counselor
chair,
yes,
for
clarification,
is
he's
in
a
constituent
services
position.
As
you
mentioned,
I
hate
to
use
names
for
positions,
but
I
understand
it's
helpful
she's
in
tris
prada's,
vacated
position
and
then
there's
two
council
liaison
positions.
Jennifer
occupies
one
of
those
positions.
H
H
That
is
correct,
counselor,
romero
and
and
and
but
you
called
one
position
a
public
engagement.
So
is
there
a
public
engagement
too?
I
guess
maybe
we
should
wait
for
the
list.
O
Council,
chair
council,
woman
romero
worth
you
are
correct.
There
were
title
changes,
but
essentially
you
have
two
constituent
services
positions
and
two
council
liaison
positions,
and
there
are
two
people
in
the
council
constituent
services
positions,
and
there
is
one
person
in
one
of
the
two
council
liaison
positions.
I
hope
that
helps
clarify.
K
Okay,
well
I'll
stop
my
questioning
in
on
this,
because
I
know
it's
taking
up
time,
but
I'm
really
interested
in
receiving
the
fte
count
that
counselor
romero
worth
asks
for
and,
of
course,
interested
in
receiving
the
entire
city
fte
listings
by
department
where
these
people
are
so.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Okay,
is
there
a
motion
regarding
constituent
and
council
services,
budget
move?
H
A
Yes,
okay,
so
that
budget
is
approved,
and
that
concludes
the
all
of
our
departments.
With
the
exception
of
the
two
that
were
postponed,
the
first
being
public
works.
Now
public
works.
The
reason
for
the
postponement
was
we
wanted
to
have
more
discussion
regarding
the
parks,
piece,
maintenance
and
some
recreation.
A
So
I
think
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
open
it
up
to
questions
from
the
committee
and
see
if
we
could
start
there
and
if
we
need
more
information.
It'll
come
from
those
questions
who
wants
to
start.
H
P
H
Q
Mr
chair
councillor,
romero
worth
this
is
bernadette.
There
are
13
positions
and
we
can
get
you.
We
can
get
you
that
list
here.
Just
in
just
a
few
minutes.
Q
H
So
you
can
get
us
the
list
of
where
those
where
those
positions
are
being
transferred
to
correct
where
those
employees
are
being
moved.
A
Okay-
and
I
don't
know
john,
if
you
want
to
address
this,
but
can
you
describe
to
us
what
is
being
proposed
as
far
as
the
parks,
these
employees,
that
will
be
moving
to
public
works?
What
will
their
duties
be?
What
what
what
are
what's
gonna
happen.
R
So,
okay
and
mr
chair,
and
if,
if
I
can
reach
out
to
burn,
are
we
talking
about
parks
or
parking
because
the
three.
A
R
Parks
so,
mr
chair,
I
think
there
might
be
a
bit
of
a
confusion.
There
were
13
people
from
parking
that
was
our
off
street
parking
staff
parking
attendants
that
were
going
to
move
from
their
current
position
to
other
positions.
R
Three
of
those
people
we're
going
to
stay
within
parking
under
different
positions,
others
we're
going
to
move
to
our
water
division,
to
park,
to
parks
and
to
the
convention
center.
With
regards
to
the
parks
department,
not
parking,
my
understanding
is,
or
the
parks
division
excuse
me,
parks
and
mrc.
R
Almost
their
entire
s,
their
entire
staff
and
structure
are
going
to
be
moving
over
to
public
works.
There
may
be
some
coordinators
that
may
move
somewhere
else,
I'm
not
sure,
but
the
primarily
all
the
operating
operations
staff
in
parks
is
moving
over
to
public
works.
We're
basically
going
to
take
it,
as
is.
R
Yeah
mr
chair
counselors,
so
parks
is
primarily
primarily
responsible
for
the
maintenance
and
operation
of
our
parks,
trails,
medians
and
open
spaces.
There's
also
the
mrc
and
the
golf
course
maintenance
of
those
infrastructures,
as
well
as
operation
of
the
golf
course
itself
we
do
have.
Our
parks
does
have
some
some
coordinator
positions
such
as
barb
lopez,
who
helps
manage,
who
uses
our
parks
and
when,
but
that's
primarily
their
function.
A
R
R
Mr
mature
counselor
so
main
inside
operation,
I
almost
consider
them
one.
In
the
same
it
just
kind
of
goes
together,
so
so
maintenance
is
well
they're
similar.
So
maintenance
is
if
something
breaks,
if
a
sprinkler
head,
busts
they
go
and
replace
the
sprinkler
head
operations
would
be
running
the
sprinklers
mowing.
The
grass
things
like
that,
so
small
maintenance
items.
If
something
goes
out
that
can
be
handled,
that's
not
that
doesn't
mean
that
doesn't
need
to
be
handled
as
part
of
a
major
reconstruction
project.
R
A
R
So
the
coordinating
of
the
activities
that
is
and
the
operation
of
the
golf
course
that
is,
the
the
programmatic
part
of
parks.
From
my
understanding
you
know
I
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
intimacy
with
that,
but
that
has
ran
fairly
smooth,
different
leagues
that
have
different
rights
to
different
parks
at
different
times.
That's
coordinated
through
a
focal
point
and
its
coordination
works.
Well
from
what
I
understand.
R
Some
of
the
issues
that
happen
is
the
people
that
do
use
the
parks
is
their
the
condition
of
the
parks
themselves
and
and
those
people's
experience
with
the
parks.
R
If
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
inaccurately,
if
I
can
ask
either
mary
or
byrne
to
clarify
that.
M
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
at
this
time
all
of
the
parks
positions
are
moving
over
to
public
works,
everything
that
was
in
that
division
vacant
enfield.
We
have
moved
over
into
public
works,
as
mr
romero
did
indicate.
There
are
some
adjustments
that
may
need
to
be
made
as
we
move
forward
to
better
align
what
is
considered
programmatic
positions
and
make
sure
those
are
reporting
to
the
right
person
in
this
in
the
organizational
structure.
J
J
You
know
john
john
romero.
Last
time
you
really
described
some
of
the
maintenance
pieces
and
why
bringing
that
into
public
works
could
be
beneficial,
and
I
I
do
see
that
I
I
think
that
is
something
to
look
at,
but
I
think
the
coordination
of
these.
J
J
So
it
sounds
like
there's
still
some
uncertainty
right
now-
mary-
maybe
maybe
you
weigh
in
on
this,
but
with
the
passing
of
this
budget-
does
that
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
moves
all
of
those
programmatic
pieces
into
parks
at
the.
B
Moment,
mr
chair
counselor,
yes,
all
of
the
positions
will
be
moving
into
public
works
into
public
works
right.
J
J
I
essentially
don't
want
to
waste
our
time
looking
at
reorganization
right
now
and
what
we
need
to
be
looking
at
is
dollars
and
cents.
So
I'm
curious
how
pertinent
this
part
of
this
conversation
is
at
the
moment,
as
opposed
to
in
august.
B
Mr
chair
counselor,
at
this
point,
each
of
these
organizations
are
individual
divisions.
So,
for
example,
you
know
parks
is
still
an
independent
division,
regardless
of
where,
where
in
the
organizational
structure,
it
sits
same
with
the
municipal,
mrc
or
even
recreation,
and
so,
if
there
were,
the
budgets
can
be
passed
independently.
B
I
think
we've
been
moving
forward
and
voting
on.
The
committee
has
been
voting
on
each
of
the
budgets
for
each
of
these
organizations
as
we're
moving
forward.
So
if
there,
if
it
is
the
pleasure
of
the
committee
or
council,
to
make
adjustments
in
the
future,
we
can
to
the
organizational
structure
we
can.
We
can
also
do
that.
You
know
if
some.
If,
for
example,
I
think
there
was
a
part
of
the
conversation
was
two
examples
that
arose
last
week
was
recreation.
B
You
know
where,
in
the
organizational
structure
should
recreation
live
and
where,
in
the
organizational
structure
should
I
believe
the
other
one
was
mpo
the
metropolitan
planning
organization.
So
again,
if
those
again,
those
are
independent
divisions
and
can
be,
you
know
reassigned
into
another
organizational
unit
if
so
desired.
You
know
by
the
count
by
council
action.
A
Right,
I
mary,
I
guess
it
would
be
my
my
position
that,
just
because
we
approve
the
public
works
department
budget
doesn't
mean
that
we're
approving
parks
being
in
public
works
at
this
time
right,
because
the
the
reorg
still
has
to
be
officially
adopted
by
the
governing
body,
which
includes
the
movement
of
parks
in
the
public
works.
So
rather
I
I
think
what
and
the
reason
why
we're
having
this
discussion
now
is
that,
if
there's
a
strong
feeling
one
way
or
another
which
it
sounds
like
there
might
be,
especially
in
relation
to
the
programmatic
piece.
B
So
mr
chair,
there's
two
parts
to
your
to
your
question:
there's
the
technical
piece
and
the
legal
piece
I'll
defer
to
our
city
attorney
aaron
or
the
city
manager
on
the
legal
piece
for
the
restructuring
and
the
vote
that
will
come
up
next
in
front
of
the
committee
and
council
next
month.
Currently,
parks
and
mrc
are
divisions
within
the
public
works
department
budget.
B
So,
by
voting
on
this
today,
that
is
where,
in
our
financial
structure,
these
two
divisions
will
reside
in
the
event
that,
through
the
public
process
of
the
resolution
before
you
next
month,
you
determine
that
there
needs
to
be
a
different
structure.
We
can
then
take
a
budget
adjustment
forward
to
you
for
approval
as
well.
So,
for
example,
if
at
that
time
it
was
decided
that
mrc
should
live
with
recreation
under
community
health
and
safety.
B
I
believe,
was
the
discussion
last
week,
so
that
would
then
we
would
bring
that
forward
through
a
budget
adjustment
where
we
re
lower
public
works
budget
by
the
amount
for
mrc
and
we
increase
the
budget
for
community
health
and
safety.
I
see
our
city
attorney
erin
is
is
on
the
zoom
call.
Now
she
can
discuss
the
legal
response
to
your
question.
Mr.
S
Chair,
let
me
just
interject
before
there
was
a
question
that
wasn't
answered
earlier
about
the
13
positions.
I
can
tell
you
that
the
combination
of
parks
and
mrc
is
about
approximately
59
employees,
so
that
can't
be
the
the
number
of
employees
transferring
over
right
or
proposed
yeah.
So
it's
probably
parking
yes,
maybe
or
some
other
group
yeah.
M
For
chairman
of
the
counselors,
for
the
most
part,
the
reorg
will
be
at
the
department
level.
Most
divisions
aren't
described
in
ordinance.
So
that's
just
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
some
of
the
organizational
units
that
are
currently
serving
as
more
of
a
department
level,
regardless.
What
their
name
is
whether
it's
an
office
or
a
division
currently
in
ordinance
might
become
divisions
so
that
that
will
be
the
part.
M
That's
in
the
bill
that's
being
proposed,
but
certainly
the
governing
body
can
approve
the
budgets
for
departments
without
designating
necessarily
what's
happening
in
those
departments,
and
if
the
reorg
does
change
that,
we
can
reflect
that
change
in
the
budget.
A
J
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
You
know
just
if
we
are
taking
the
time
to,
to
put
you
know,
individuals
on
notice
sounds
nasty,
but
just
to
express
our
opinions
on
this.
I
really
think
that
recreation
and
park
programmatic
pieces
of
park
should
be
together
and
probably
under
community
health
and
safety
and
instead
of
community.
J
What
do
we
have?
Development,
I
believe,
is
where
it
is
right
now
in
the
proposal,
but
that
that
maintenance
piece
for
parks,
medians
trails
to
me,
that
is
making
sense
in
public
works,
I'd,
be
interested
to
hear
what
other
individuals
have
to
say
on
a
slightly
different
topic.
We
had
some
questions
around
mrc
and
around
the
contract
with
with
golf
that
was
part
of.
I
know
this
whole
conversation.
Can
I
get
an
update
on
what
is
happening
there.
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
I
can
go
ahead
and
take
this
one.
John
thanks.
B
We
there
is
142
000
that
was
allocated
in
previous
years
for
the
new
mexico
golf
limited
contract.
At
this
time
we
are
proposing
for
that
to
be
on
the
top
of
our
agenda,
for
if
additional
funding
were
to
become
available
to
be
able
to
fund
that
particular
contract
as
we
move
forward
throughout
the
fiscal
year.
A
Of
this
point,
count
councilwoman
romero
worth.
H
J
If
you
have
okay,
I
just
I
wanted
to
clarify
what
this
contract
provides
and
what
not
having
this
contract
at
the
start
of
the
fiscal
year
is
going
to
mean
for
operations
at
mrc.
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
I
would
ask
that
john
munoz,
who
has
managed
this
contract,
weigh
in
on
some
of
the
details
of
the
services
provided
by
new
mexico.
Golf.
S
Limited,
mr
mr
chair,
counselor,
casa
de
sanchez
and
committee
members,
so
the
contract
with
the
new
mexico
golf
is
with
our
pro
shop,
so
they
they
staff
the
pro
shop.
They
staff
the
tea
time
they
staff
lessons
and
they
help
merchandise.
So
it's
a
it's
a
key
component
of
the
the
golf
services
and
recreations
recreational
services
that
we
provide
jennifer
if
I've
missed
anything.
Let
me
know
the
other
other
area
that
they
do
as
well
is
emergency
or
urgent
repairs
to
our
golf
carts.
S
So
if
there's,
if
we're
low
on
carts
and
there's
some
cards
that
may
may
not
be
working,
then
the
group
also
steps
in,
but
we've
had
a
long
long,
long-standing
relationship
with
this
organization
and
they've
they've
provided
good
good
services
as
a
vendor
jennifer.
Anything
that
I
missed.
J
So
what
does
this
mean?
Thank
you,
john,
for
for
providing
that
what
so,
what
does
this
mean?
If
we
don't
have
this
contract
in
place
right
now,
when
we
are
on
hold
to
see
if
other
money
comes
in,
how
will
this
impact
users
and
staff
of
the
mrc.
S
Mr
chair
councillor,
casa,
chances
and
committee
members,
so
if,
without
this
contract,
we
would
not
be
able
to
staff
up
the
pro
shop
and
figure
out
a
way
to
do
that,
we
would
not
be
able
to
provide
lessons.
We
would
not
be
able
to
provide
other
other
services
that
this
group
provides
and
have
the
ability
to
pivot
that
quickly.
S
Again,
it's
a
it's
a
vital
piece
of
of
the
whole
recreational
experience
at
the
mrc
that
kids
and
adults
utilize,
so
it
would.
It
would
significantly
impact
the
the
golf
course.
J
And
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
a
golfer.
Can
you
please
tell
me
what
a
pro
shop
provides,
what
it
is.
S
I
apologize
mr
chair
counselor
because
it's
sanchez
so
and
jennifer
can
also
step
in
and
provide
some
more
granular
granular
detail,
but
definitely
things
like
lessons
or
warm-ups.
You
know
generally,
if
we
have
new
golfers,
especially
children
or
first-time
golfers,
they
wanna
get
out
there
and
learn
how
to
swing
and
and
what
some
of
the
rules
and
etiquette
is
or
are
on
on
the
golf
course.
S
T
Mr
chair
counselor
casa
sanchez
in
in
the
most
simple
simplest
form.
What
this
means
is,
we
won't
be
able
to
operate
the
pro
shop.
The
pro
shop
offers
tea
times
to
the
public.
That's
how
they
come
out.
Have
the
bill
availability
to
be
able
to
play
on
our
golf
course.
They
won't
provide
instructional
services
for
golf
instruction
from
to
youth
and
adult
they
won't.
We
won't
be
able
to
sell
merchandise
to
the
public.
T
A
Right-
and
I
I
want
to
add
council
councilwomen-
that
one
big
piece
that
we're
missing
are
golf
tournaments,
that
a
lot
of
non-profit
organizations
have
and
take
advantage
of.
I
know
having
played
in
several
myself
and
had
some
hosted
there.
It
was
always
this
company
that
we
dealt
with
and
not
city
staff,
and
so
that
would
be
a
that
would
be
a
pretty
big
hit.
T
Thank
you.
I
think
it's
also
important
to
note
that
they
also
have
a
staff
member
their
staff
member
that
services
and
takes
care
of
all
the
golf
carts
out
there,
which
is
a
very,
very
sizable
undertaking.
T
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
are
golfers
if
you're
a
golfer,
I'm
wondering
if
you've
ever
been
abusive
in
a
golf
cart
before
I
bet
the
answer
is
yes
and
they
take
care
of
all
the
cards
this.
They
have
10
to
12
full
to
part-time
employees
out
there
during
the
main
part
of
the
year
and
during
the
off
part
of
the
year
they
have
four
to
five.
T
So
when
I
look
at
the
number
of
I
believe
it's
140,
I
think
that
we
would
go
in
the
hole
trying
to
fill
those
positions
and
the
amount
of
money
that
it
would
take
us.
I
don't
think
that
we
can,
with
salaries
and
benefit
programs.
I
don't
think
we
can
operate
and
and
even
offer
minimal
service
for
140
with
city
employees.
T
So
I
think
it's
a
critical
contract
because
I
I
just
don't
think
that
we're
prepared
to
fill
the
gaps
on
it.
So
thank
you.
Counselor
cassette
sanchez
for
letting
me
butt
in
on
this,
and
thank
you
chair.
A
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
yes,
that
is
correct
right
now,
there's
about
147
000
that
you
would
have
in
the
general
fund
that
you
would
have
available
so
technically,
since
the
transfer
from
the
general
fund
is
no
longer
150
000
to
the
public
campaign
finance
fund.
B
That
would
then,
with
the
last
vote
that
was
taken
for
the
city
clerk
budget
that
makes
available
147
000
so
as
opposed
to
the
original
transfer
that
we
planned
from
the
general
fund
to
the
city
clerk's
budget
right
for
the
public
campaign
financing
fund.
That
transfer
would
then
be
142
000
from
the
general
fund
to
mrc,
specifically
for
the
purposes
of
funding
the
new
mexico
golf
limited
contract.
Mr
chair.
H
I
don't
again,
I
I
don't
want
to
you
know:
keep
interrupting
counselor
cass
at
sanchez,
but
so
I-
but
I
am,
I
am
curious
so
and
I
and
I
agree,
we
have
money
that
we
just
cut
that
we
can
now
put
another
place,
but
I'm
curious
what
the
thinking
was
around
cutting
this
contract,
given
its
importance
to
the
operations
of
the
golf
course
like
how
much
money
do
we,
and
we
haven't
really
seen
anything
on
this?
How
much
money
do
we
make
from
the
merchandising?
H
What
costs
would
we,
then?
You
know
in
terms
of
doing
tea
times,
I'm
not
so
worried
about
the
lessons
and
the
and
the
and
the
tournaments
at
this
point,
because
I
don't
think
those
are
things
that
we
can
do
in
the
current
pandemic
environment,
so
it.
What
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
if,
if
for
a
short
period
of
time,
whatever
it
is
six
months
a
year,
we
weren't
able
to
do
this
contract.
What
would
it
mean
to
the
city?
You
know
who
would
repair
the
golf
carts
who
would
schedule
the
tee
times?
H
Those
are
the
two
critical
pieces
to
the
operation
of
the
golf
course,
and
I'm
just
wondering
what
operationally
was
the
plan
here
and
is
this.
You
know
again
if
we
don't
have
a
plan
and
the
best
thing
we
should
do
right
now
is
renew
this
contract.
Then
we
should
use
that
money,
but
it
seems
to
me
there
are
a
couple
other
places
where
we've
identified,
that
we
might
not
be
happy
and
we
could
put
that
money.
H
S
So
we
had
a
when
we
looked
at
the
budget.
We
were
also
looking
at
synergies
between
public
works.
I
don't
have
the
the
broken
down
amount
in
front
of
me
of
how
much
we
we
get
from
the
merchandising
piece,
but
the
golf
course
is
a
pretty
a
very
good
revenue
generator.
S
On
average
you
bring
in
about
1.1
1
million
dollars
in
a
season,
but
that's
ever
with
everything
loaded
in
you
know
green
fees
and
rentals
and
and
other
revenue
streams.
Jennifer,
not
sure.
If
you
have
it
in
front
of
you,
I
can.
I
can
look
it
up
as
we're
talking
to
see
how
much
revenue,
specifically
we
get
from
from
the
pro
shop.
A
J
J
My
understanding
from
the
community
is,
you
know,
we're
running
out
of
things
like
housing
vouchers
and
that
seems
like
a
more
critical
use
of
any
extra
dollars
that
we
have
than
opening
a
golf
course.
I
understand
that
recreation
is
important.
I
understand
that
people
are
in
need,
but
we've
got
to
house
our
residents
first
during
you
know
a
crisis
so
mary
that
150
000
is
that
if
it's
in
the
general
fund
I
mean
it's
kind
of
a
free-for-all.
We
can
sit
there
and
say
this
is
going
to
go
to
covid
response,
correct.
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
I
think,
over
the
last
week
we
have
heard
from
many
different
departments
the
areas
they
have
had
to
reduce
that
have
involved
community
outreach.
Commute
you
know,
assisting
directly,
as
you
mentioned,
is
one
of
the
areas
you
know
of
increased
need,
as
we
are
in
a
public
health
emergency.
In
addition,
there
are
several
areas
that
we've
had
to
reduce
across
all
departments
across
all
funds
that
are
key
critical
areas
for
us
as
a
city
to
be
able
to
respond
on
multiple
fronts,
to
be
able
to
provide
services.
B
So
again,
it
is
that
is
one
potential
option
for
the
committee
to
vote,
to
restore
this
particular
contract
or
to
use
the
approximately
147
thousand
dollars
in
another
way,
the
administration
is
willing
to
bring
back
a
budget
adjustment
to
a
priority.
You
know
again:
we've
spoken
very
many
times
over
the
last
week
about
the
priorities,
so
the
administration
can
bring
forward
a
budget
adjustment
of
that
amount
to
counsel
you
know
within
a
few
weeks
as
well.
If
that's
the
pleasure
of
the
committee.
A
A
Concern
is
I
mean
we
can
go
anywhere
and
find
a
place
to
put
this
hundred
and
fifty
thousand,
because
everybody's
budget
has
been
cut.
But
to
me
this
just
seemed
like
a
logical
fit.
The
amounts
are
pretty
close.
It
is
a
service
that'll,
be
disruptive,
if
not
and
it's
something
that
is
allowed
right
now,
at
least
under
covert.
You
can
still
play
golf
so,
but.
H
T
Mr
chuck
councillor
romero
worth
may
answer
or
help
to
answer
the
question.
Yes,
mr
romero,
so
in
regards
to
to
what
we
make
from
our
our
pro
shop
management
services
that
are
provided
by
new
mexico
golf,
the
city
receives
a
hundred
percent
revenue
for
tea
times
and
golf
carts.
So
this
past
fiscal
year,
1920
t-time
revenue
and
our
punch
pass
purchases
totaled
approximately
593
000,
which
the
city
received
100
percent
our
t
times.
I'm
sorry
our
golf
cart
revenue
was
approximately
269
000.,
so
the
city
receives
a
hundred
percent
of
that.
T
In
regards
to
our
tournament
revenue
that
we
received,
we
generated
around
ten
thousand
and
five
percent
of
the
ten
thousand
and
in
our
pro
pro
shop,
merchandising
five
percent
of
269
thousand.
We
can
provide
you
with
our
our
full
detailed
report,
but
that's
kind
of
just
the
basics.
On
on
that.
A
J
T
Yeah
it
yeah.
The
question
I
have
is
aside
from
the
that
general
fund
money.
I
mean,
I
think,
that
we
know
that
we've
got
to
find
a
way
to
fund
this.
It's
it's
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars,
but
it's
not
really
a
hundred
and
forty
thousand
because
they
make
some
money
for
us
and
it's
also
a
sizable
asset
that
we
can't
turn
our
backs
on.
So
did
we
have
miss
mccoy?
Did
we
have
any
other?
T
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
this
is
in
several
conversations,
has
risen
to
the
top
of
some
of
the
priorities
over
the
last
week,
so
we
can
go
back
and
research
an
additional
source
of
funding
for
this
particular
contract.
If
that
be
the
pleasure
of
the
council
and
again,
as
we've
mentioned
time
and
time
again
as
we
identify
additional
funding
sources,
we
can
bring
forward
a
budget
adjustment
request
in
the
coming
weeks.
T
Thank
you
miss
mccoy
chair.
Is
it
an
appropriate
time
for
me
to
give
my
comments
on
the
structure
and
the
reorg,
or
would
you
like
me
to
wait.
A
Let's
go
to
other
questions
first
and
then
I'll
come
back
for
a
round
of
that.
That's
fine!
Thank
you.
Chair.
D
Thank
you
councilwoman
via
royale.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
on
this
point
about
the
golf
course
contract
and
we
still
didn't
get
an
answer
about
how
what
was
the
plan
to
run
this,
given
this
particular
cut
like
what
was
how
we,
how
was
staff
gonna
adjust?
Were
they
gonna
move
folks
around
and
end
up
taking
on
those
positions?
D
And
so
there's
that
question
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
we
keep
talking
about?
Well,
this
is
an
important
asset
and
it's
a
sizable
asset,
but
we
have
all
these
other
sizeable
assets
that
have
been
cut
and
we
cannot
run
them
and
it's
not
just
due
to
cobid.
We
have
pools
that
can
be
open,
and
yet
we
still
can
open
them.
D
So
I'm
just
not
really
thinking
that
we're
looking
at
the
bigger
picture,
we're
kind
of
zeroing
in
on
golf
course,
but
if
all
of
our
services
have
been
reduced
across
the
board
and
our
activities
and
facilities
in
our
facilities
have
been
reduced
and
obviously
covets
the
main
culprit.
But
there
are
potential
ways
that
we
could
still
be
doing
activities,
but
we
just
don't
have
the
staff
right
now.
D
So
the
fact
that
we
can't
do
swimming
pools-
and
you
know
I
just
I-
don't
understand
how
we
could
just
end
up
moving
it
into
a
golf
course-
and
I
know,
there's
a
an
aspect
of
making
revenue,
but
I
also
want
to
bring
up
that.
There's
also
an
issue
of
equity,
and
if
we're
looking
at
golf
courses
and
not
looking
at
the
big
picture
of
our
activities
and
facilities,
then
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
support
this.
Whatever
change
that
might
be
brewing.
D
So
I
just,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
a
bigger
picture,
there's
a
facilities
aspect
and
then
what
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez
brought
up
about
the
other
cuts
that
we
have
made
that
are
really
around
social
services
and
the
support
that
we're
going
to
be
needing
now
that
we'll
be
heading
into
what
will
be
a
recovery
from
covid
and
so
housing
is
going
to
be
the
big
key,
and
so
I'm
not
willing
to
move
an
amount
of
money
that
we
think
is
a
free-for-all
amount
right
now
into
the
golf
course.
D
I
just
want
to
understand,
though,
if
staff
could
give
us
an
idea
of
what
they
were
going
to
do
to
make
up
for
the
contract.
That
was
not
going
to
be
renewed.
F
Chairman,
if
I
might,
this
is
virginia
wheeler,
we
did.
We
haven't
really
had
a
chance
to
sit
down
and
look
at
this
budget
and
really
map
out
all
the
details
of
the
operations
and
that's
something.
I
think
that
we
foreshadowed
last
time
that
we
got
a
little
a
great
little
meeting
so
far
where
we
got
a
real
sense
of
sort
of
the
scope
and
some
of
the
opportunities
for
synergy,
and
I
think
john
romero
could
speak
to
that.
More
we've
definitely
identified
some
opportunities,
but
we
haven't
gone
through
all
the
details.
F
It
was
kind
of
news
to
us
that
this
contract
would
be
cut,
and
so
we
need
to
really
figure
out
how
what
we
would
do
in
eventuality.
But
I
I
wanted
to
I-
I
haven't
been
at
all
the
budget
hearings
and
I'm
not
sure
how
this
has
been
playing
in,
but
we
do
have
the
10
million
dollars
of
cares.
F
Funding
from
the
state
that
we're
developing
a
budget
for
that
and
a
big
chunk
of
that
is
going
to
be
used
for
housing
and
voucher
type
and
community
services,
meals,
hotels,
housing,
opening
infrastructure
for
opening,
as
well
as
reimbursement
for
the
money
that
we've
already
spent
on
the
crisis.
And
so
maybe
mary
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
timing
there.
F
But
I
think
kieran
and
I
have
developed
a
draft
budget
and
sent
it
around
for
some
review
and
housing
plays
significantly
into
you
know,
somewhere
in
the
zone
of
two
million
dollars
of
that.
And
so
maybe
mary
could
talk
about
how
those
two
mesh
together.
D
You
know-
and
I
hear
you
about
that-
that's
an
important
piece-
there's
also
a
rental
assistance
piece
that
I
don't
think
the
cares
funding
will
be
covering.
F
We
have
it
in
there
for
housing
and
security
for
for
preventing
people
from
becoming
homeless
and
homeless,
but
it's
true.
We
have
to
go
through
the
fine
details
of
the
funding.
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
we
will
be
bringing
forward
a
plan
for
the
state
funding
application
for
the
cares
act,
funding
that
was
approved
to
be
distributed
to
local
governments
during
the
last
legislative
session,
so
that
will
be.
In
addition,
on
top
of
this
current
operating
budget,
we
brought
forward
the
operating
budget.
First
and
foremost,
you
know,
dfa
is
releasing
their
application
in
preparation
for
us
to
submit
our
request.
B
But
you
know
primarily
our
focus
right
now
is
our
operating
budget,
of
which
we
did
have
rental
funding
to
support
rental
assistance.
That
was
an
increase
by
this
administration.
Last
last
fiscal
year
in
fy
20,
we
increased
the
support
out
of
the
general
fund
for
rental
assistance
and
that
has
been
maintained
whole
and
so
anything
from
the
cares
act.
B
Funding
that
could
go
to
additional
assistance
for
the
items
that
have
been
mentioned
by
many
counselors
over
the
course
of
the
last
few
months
that
we've
been
discussing
the
impacts
of
the
public
health
crisis
on
the
economy
on
our
residents,
we
will
be
bringing
forward
that
plan
that
regina
and
other
department
directors
have
put
together
for
this
bodies
review
as
well.
So
that
is
again
it's
on
top
of
this
current
operating
budget.
D
Good
to
know
to
get
the
details
would
be
great
to
find
out
what
that
would
actually
cover.
I
don't
think
we
might
know
yet,
but
if
we
do
have
information,
please
share
that
with
us,
so
I
I
will
end
with
that
golf
course.
I
mean
if
there's
a
way
to
even
do
looking
at
reduced
services,
I
mean
everybody
is
having
to
reduce
our
services
across
our
facilities.
So
I'm
surprised
we
didn't
think
about
that
in
this
ra.
D
In
this
vein,
I
know
that
it's
allowed,
but
I
still
think
that
there
may
be
things
that
might
shift
with
kovid
and
some
of
the
things
that
might
be
allowed
in
terms
of
activity,
so
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
D
D
What
area
they
are
so
does
that
mean
that
street
staff
will
be
assisting
at
all
with
medians
or
where
park
staff
then
be
expected
to
deal
with
all
the
medians
just
like
they
how
they
were
when
they
were
parks
and
rec,
but
they
will
be
moved
over
into
public
works
and
still
be
required
to
be.
Have
that
a
priority?
D
R
Mr
chair,
if
I
may
I'll
try
to
address
that
question,
so
yes
that
it's
a
very
good
question
and
it's
one
of
the
primary
goals
of
bringing
parks
under
public
works.
Now
when
we
look
at
managing
infrastructure,
we
don't
look
at
it
as
like.
Streets
owns
the
streets,
so
they
got
to
do
everything
similar
to
rec.
Doesn't
own
wrecks,
so
you
know,
rec
doesn't
have
to
maintain
the
pool,
maintain
the
roof.
We
do
that
in
facilities.
R
It's.
What
are
those
groups
set
up
to
do
so
streets?
Those
are
primarily
cdl
drivers.
They
know
how
to
manage
heavy
equipment.
R
That
type
of
thing,
from
my
point
of
view,
pulling
those
guys
from
those
type
of
tasks
that
they're
qualified
to
do
to
clean,
medians,
isn't
an
efficient
use
of
is
not
an
efficient
use
of
their
time.
Secondly,
they
don't
have
the
the
equipment
to
do
that,
so
the
city
would
have
to
buy
a
whole
other.
R
Some
more.
You
know
a
whole
other
set
of
weed
eaters
and
lawn
mowers
and
stuff
like
that
for
them.
So
it's
more
of
what
people
are
set
up
to
do.
So
I
do
think
parks
is
the
the
crew
themselves,
not
only
through
their
their
qualifications
and
abilities,
but
the
equipment
they
have
is
better
set
up
to
maintain
the
medians.
R
That
being
said,
there's
things
that
streets
are
maybe
more
capable
of
doing,
for
instance,
maintaining
some
of
the
hard
infrastructure
that
we
have,
that
we've
been
in
the
city
have
given
to
parks,
because
it's
an
open
space,
for
instance,
trail
maintenance
of
the
asphalt
itself.
R
That
would
be
something
more
appropriate
for
our
streets,
guys
because
that's
what
they're
experienced
with
they
have
the
equipment
to
manage
that
you
know,
and
so
it
would
be
things
like
that
where
we
would
keep
really
you
know,
a
simple
way
of
putting
it
streets
would
maintain.
All
of
our
hard
surfaces
parks
would
be
helping
maintain
all
of
our
plants,
whether
we
want
them
or
not.
But,
however,
that
maintenance
works,
but
we'd
definitely
be
looking
forwards
like
that
to
free
up
their
parks
resources
to
focus
more
on
veg
management.
R
We
have
met
recently,
all
of
us
together.
Public
works
parks
just
about
how
we
would
manage
this
upcoming
fiscal
year
with
our
current
budget
constraints,
and
we
are
looking
at
ways
of
further
not
only
prioritizing
but
scheduling
our
park
maintenance
and
that's
dependent
on
their
impact
to
the
community,
as
well
as
the
potential
for
loss
of
infrastructure.
R
So,
for
instance,
regional
parks
have
a
lot
larger,
serve
a
lot
larger
group
of
people,
so
they
would
have
a
higher
priority.
Regional
parks
would
also
have
a
higher
priority,
because
if
we,
if
we
don't
maintain
those,
we
would
lose
turf
lose
a
lot
of
different
things
that
would
cost
more
to
bring
back.
If
we
may
things
on
a
lower
priority
would
be
parks,
maybe
that
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
infrastructure
infrastructure
that
could
be
lost
and
that
don't
serve
a
whole
lot
of
people.
So
we
are
looking
at
those
type
of
things.
R
Public
works
also
houses,
storm
water.
We
leveraged
the
city
stormography
that
could
be
used
in
a
huge
open
space
that
we
have,
which
is
our
our
watersheds,
and
so
we
could
look
at
as
at
that
as
an
opportunity,
either
to
help
or
supplement
parks
efforts
in
those
areas.
But
those
are
definitely
things
that,
if
parks
does
come
under
public
works,
we
would
look
forward
to
to
communicating
across
all
of
our
divisions
and
see
what
we
can
do
to
help
make
things
more
efficient.
With
what
little
resources
we
have.
D
D
No,
that's
your
job,
no,
that's
your
job
and
have
not
have
the
con,
the
connectivity
that
we
need
and
also
knowing
that
everybody's
in
it
together
to
kind
of
accomplish
what
we
need
to,
and
so
it's
really
going
to
be
key
for
the
communication
piece
and
I'm
hoping
you
all
can
figure
out
the
best
way
to
do
that
because
you'll
be
larger
now,
but
I
know
that
the
scheduling
of
park
management
already
occurs
now.
So
are
you
just
improving
upon
that?
Because
they
already
have
a
schedule.
R
Yes,
they
definitely
do
a
mr
chair
counselor,
but
to
maybe
looking
at
ways
of
adjusting
that
so
that
maybe
there
are
parks
that
we
deliberately
not
deliberately,
but
that
we
knowingly
let
go
a
little
more
than
other
parks.
Look
at
those
adjustments
again
look
at
sharing
some
resources
where
available
and
then
I
think
another
thing
is
sticking
to
our
schedule.
I
think
what
often
times
happens
is
we
sometimes
will
get
a
request
to
go.
Do
something
that
maybe
isn't
a
priority.
R
So
we
drop
everything
we're
doing
and
we
go
do
that
and
you
know
to
be
honest,
to
be
frank,
we're
going
to
look
we're
going
to
be
a
little
more
resistant
to
that
and
to
look
at
sticking
to
our
schedule
with
whatever
adjustments
we
make
and
replying
to
constituents
that
you
know
it
is
a
priority,
but
it's
not
a
top
priority.
We
do
this
a
lot
with
our
asphalt.
You
know
we
oftentimes
get
asked
to
drop,
paving
the
roads
that
we're
paying
to
go,
pave
some
other
roads
that
aren't
on
our
prioritization
list.
R
D
H
Yeah,
I'm
still
trying
to
parse
through
all
this
stuff.
So
did
we
ever
get
an
answer
to
why
the
parks
programming
should
be
in
parks,
we
should
be
in
public
works
and
whether
it
was
possible
to
move
that
to
recreation
and
to
ultimately,
if
we
decide
to
this
new
department
of
health
and
safety.
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
yes,
it
is
possible
to
move
the
programmatic.
The
staff
responsible
for
programmatic
functions
from
public
works
into
recreation.
R
If
I
may,
mr
chair
I'll
attempt
to
address
it
that
question
so
public
works,
you
know
the
way
I
consider
a
lot
of
especially
take.
For
instance,
mrc,
the
majority
of
their
programmatic
items
are
managed
through
service
contracts.
Definitely
public
works
is
very
familiar
with
with
managing
service
contracts.
You
manage
service
contracts,
you
manage
contracts
with
the
railyard
corporation
with
all
kinds
of
different
types
of
contracts,
granted
that
that
is
a
key
component
of
of
operating.
The
golf
course
that's.
R
What
operates
the
course
play
pretty
much,
but
the
extent
of
staff
dealing
with
that
is
negotiating
the
contract,
getting
it
run
through
committee
and
approved
and
then
issuing
payments
against
the
contract.
That's
really
the
extent
of
that
programmatic
piece,
which
is
no
different
than
any
of
the
other
contracts
that
public
works
manages
so
other
than
in
my
opinion.
I'm
sorry,
john.
H
H
R
I
apologize
so
I
understand
so
so.
One
of
the
prime
things
of
dealing
with
programmatic
things
in
parks
is
managing
league
play
and
it's
working
league
play
determining
what
leagues
use
what
fields
at
what
time
and
how
they
work
with
each
other.
So
you
know
we
operate
similar
things
like
that
at
the
airport
we
we
manage,
sharing
of
a
facility
between
commercial
and
and
non-commercial
flights
in
streets.
We
manage
use
of
our
right-of-way
for
programming
outside
dining
is
a
good
example.
People
that
need
to
use
our
right
away
for
construction.
R
Staging
things
like
that
we
manage
coordinating.
Who
can
use
what
at
what
point?
In
this
case,
you
know,
I
think
I
don't
think
it
would
be
completely
detrimental
to
separated
from
parks,
but
I
do
think
having
it
with
parks
would
help
facilitate
day-to-day,
if
not
week-to-week
coordination.
So
that
way,
these
people
that
are
managing
league
play
that
are
in
direct
contact
with
league
managers.
R
They
get
it
directly
to
us
on
a
daily
weekly
basis
if
there
are
any
issues
that
come
up
with
the
parks
they're,
basically
our
liaison
between
the
user
to
the
operator
and
we're
the
operator
of
the
public
parks
is
the
operator
of
the
park
meeting
up
making
sure
the
facility
is
working.
So
I
think,
there's
more
of
a
benefit
to
keep
it
with
parks
than
to
separate
it.
H
R
Mr
chair
counselor
romeroworth
I'd
like
to
ask
john
to
clarify
this,
but
I
believe
the
programmatic
portion
of
our
parks
is
primarily
run
by
the
leagues
that
use
them.
There
are
the
only
city,
leagues
that
I
I
know
of
that
that
are
run
by
the
city
are
those
that
are
operated
in
recreation
facilities,
not
in
parks.
But
I
would
like
confirmation
from
john
on
that.
R
Mr
chair
counselor
yeah.
Definitely
we
currently
have
that
coordination
when
we
manage
the
triathlon
we're
using
roads
and
we
have
to
manage
the
sweeping
of
the
of
the
roads
and
all
that
type
of
stuff
to
accommodate
a
lot
of
that
stuff.
So
you
know
I
understand.
So
there
is
the
benefit
of
bringing
stuff
within
a
department
to
have
better
coordination.
But
just
because
things
are
in
separate
departments
doesn't
mean
that
they're
not
coordinated
and.
R
S
Mr
chair,
mr
chair,
a
lot
of
meadows:
yes,
that's
not
my
middle
name,
but
yeah
close!
So
yes
on
on
the
recreational
side,
we
do
a
lot
of
significant
coordination.
S
That
includes
other
activities,
besides
leagues
or
triathlons,
but
there
is
a
great
deal
of
coordination.
Gatekeeping
that
you
know
we
reach
out
to
different
departments
like
public
works,
constituent
services,
water.
S
So
our
our
department
touches
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
departments
and
a
lot
of
divisions
within
the
city
on
on
the
coordination
side.
So
there
are
other
activities
that
you
are
very
well
aware
of,
such
as
from
small
weddings
to
birthday
parties
to
the
egg
hunt
to
other
activities
that
we
coordinate
with
the
arts
community
as
well
within
the
park.
So
there's
there's
a
significant
amount
of
of
activities
and
programs
that
we
do
manage
and
coordinate
with
with
other
departments
from
pd
to
the
fire
department.
H
Okay,
counselor
cassette
sanchez:
does
that
kind
of
get
at
what
you
were
talking
about.
J
I
think
I
think,
to
you
know
an
extent
that
this
is
something
to
look
at.
J
I
for
me,
where
I'm
really
looking
at
is,
is
how
are
parks
assets
to
our
community
as
opposed
to
just
spaces,
and
I
really
see
a
difference
in
how
those
things
are
addressed,
which
is
why
I
feel
that
the
programmatic
aspect
of
recreation
or
the
programmatic
aspect
of
parks
should
be
in
wreck,
especially
for
putting
rec
if
we
ultimately
move
it
into
this
health
and
safety,
where
you
know
our
youth
services
also
lies,
and
when
we
really
think
about
parks
and
that
community
asset
piece
that
that's
really
what
I'm
struggling
with
is,
I
think
that
you
know
public
works
is
absolutely
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
ways
that
maintenance
can
be
improved.
J
You
know
improved
through
that
combination
and,
as
we
were
talking
about
the
different,
what's
the
coordinations,
that
john
was
mentioning
through
the
streets
and
the
the
current
parks
department.
But
when
we
are
looking
at
this
community
piece,
that's
where
I'm
seeing
that
recreation
and
that
parks,
development
and-
and
you
know
to
everybody's
point-
it's
not
that,
because
we
split
them
that
there
wouldn't
be
coordination.
We
already
see
coordination
across
departments
anyhow.
So
so
yes,
I
think
that
we've
we've
spoken
to
it.
I
I
would
still.
J
I
would
still
argue
that
the
programmatic
aspect
should
be
in
recreation,
because
it's
not
just
what
we
currently
do.
But
what
do
we
want?
What
do
we
want
our
parks
to
be
for
our
community
and
how
do
we
want
them
to
be
serving
the
overall
well-being
and
quality
quality
of
life
of
our
community,
and
I
think
that
wreck
as
a
mission
statement
generally
that
fits
in
more
than
public
works
is
a
mission
statement.
It's
not
that
they're
not
capable,
but
it's
really.
What
are
the
missions
of
these
two
different
departments.
H
H
I
think
we
need
a
I.
I
need
to
see
some
numbers
I
need
to
so.
Besides,
just
you
know
the
tee
times
generate
593,
000
golf
course:
golf
carts
generate
269
000
I
mean
if
we
were
not
to.
We
have
to
have
a
functioning
golf
course.
So
if
we
were
not
to
do
this
contract,
what
what?
What
does
this
mean
for
the
city
who's
going
to
do
these
things
that
this
contract
does
and
what
does
that
mean
financially
to
us?
H
What
kind
of
what's
the
cost
benefit
analysis,
and
then
you
know
to
the
I
don't
want
to
pit
the
golf
course
against
other
things,
so
I
think
we
need
to
like
pull
up
and
look
at
the
bigger
forest
and
be
you
know
what
what
I
mean
everything
is
is
is
taking
a
hit,
but
it's
still
functioning
at
some
level,
and
you
know
as
to
the
money
that
we
found
in
the
budget
today.
H
You
know
I
I
don't
know
whether
that
money
to
the
the
overall
point
is
that
the
money
you
know,
maybe
that
money
is
best
spent
in
housing
vouchers.
Maybe
it's
not.
Maybe
we
have
other
pools
that
we
can.
You
know
if
it's
a
priority
and
we
don't
like
the
levels
at
which
we're
you
know
affecting
the
housing
issues
in
the
community.
Maybe
we,
you
know,
we
we
decide
what,
how
much
more
we
need
to
put
there
and
then
we
need
to
look
at
what
our
funding
options
are
there
and
so.
G
O
H
H
Where
how
are
we
gonna,
you
know
figure
out
the
right
balance
and
you
know
I
still
haven't
gotten
the
question
I
haven't.
I
don't
think
we've
received
the
information
about.
You
know
the
the
lodgers
tax
and
you
know
our
arts
and
culture
department
versus
the
convention
center
and
our
tourism
stuff
like
how
do
we
know
we
have
the
right
balance
there
and
that's
the
same
funding
source.
So
we
haven't,
we
haven't
seen
any.
I
know
I
asked
for
it,
but
I
haven't
seen
any
the
information
that
I
asked
for
in
terms
of
better
understanding.
H
You
know,
maybe
the
balance
is
created
in
law
for
us
and
we
don't
have
we
and
it's
state
law.
So
we
can't
affect
that.
But
again
I
I
don't.
I
don't
have
enough
information
to
know
so
I
just
want
to
discourage
us
from.
I
don't
know
fighting
over
a
little
bit
of
money
or
pitting.
You
know
golf
interests
against
housing
interests.
I
mean,
I
think
we
need
to
decide
what
our
overall
priorities
are
and
where
we're
comfortable
with
and
then
we've
got
to
figure
out.
H
You
know
how
we
go
about
funding
them,
so
I
just
it
scares
me
a
little
bit
that
we
were
going
down
a
path
that
isn't
gonna
serve
us
very
well
as
a
whole
of
all
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
doing
so
I
feel
like
we
need
more
information,
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
for
the
moment.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you,
councilwoman
romero
worth,
and
I
I
think,
miss
mccoy
you've
heard
the
discussion
regarding
this.
This
is
also
an
enterprise
fund
and
so
I'm
sure
there's
a
way
that
we
can
figure
out.
140
000
when
you're
dealing
with
an
enterprise
fund.
There's
fees
involved,
there's
revenue
that
we
heard
is
generated.
So
if
you
can
continue
to
work
on
this,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful,
but
let
me
go
to
council,
councilwoman,
joanne,
v,
hill,
coppler
and
then
counselor
lindell
for
the
last
word,
because
we
need
to
move
on
councilwoman
v
hill
coupler.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
want
to
speak
about
the
golf
course.
I
will
say
that
the
golf
course
is
one
of
the
the
things.
I
think
that
the
city
does
really
well.
I
hear
from
people
all
over
about
who
have
used
the
golf
course
who
are
very
complimentary
and-
and
I
know
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
jennifer
romero
and
the
work
she
does
and
this
the
high
standards
she
has
for
the
course
new
mexico.
K
Golf
limited
is
very
experienced
at
running
golf
courses,
and
this
is
not.
I
don't
believe
this
is
something
you
can
just
throw
some
city
employees
in
and
have
them
do
it.
It's
not
running.
Golf
courses
is
a
specialized
field,
it
it
is
more
than
it
sounds
like,
and
I
I
think
you
know
when
something's
running
well.
If
we
can
help
save
it,
that
would
be
great.
There
are.
There
are
some
organizations
that
we
have
around
town
like
four
kids
who
raise
funds.
K
I
know
there
are
others
who
raise
funds
to
help
children
get
involved
and
play
in
a
sport
and
provide
them
with
the
equipment
necessary,
and
I
know
our
golf
course.
K
I
believe
I
can't
speak
to
to
what
kind
of
discounts
that
children
get,
but
I
think
we
do
foster
a
spirit
of
getting
kids
involved
in
golf,
not
not
just
like
tennis
or
swimming
and
other
areas,
but
the
more
you
have
kids
busy,
the
better
it's
not
just
an
adult
sport
and
the
more
we
can
do
as
a
city
to
involve
youngsters
in
this
the
better.
K
The
other
thing
I
want
to
say
about
this
is
marty.
Sanchez
golf
course
is
known
as
a
destination.
Golf
course
there
are.
We
have
the
marty
sanchez
golf
course
publicized
and
materials
all
over
the
united
states,
and
so
it
does
affect
tourism.
K
People
have
scheduled
golf
among
many
courses
around
the
united
states,
including
new
mexico,
including
a
couple
of
courses
in
new
mexico,
so
they'll,
sometimes
they'll
play
at
las
campanas
they'll
come
to
marty
sanchez
they'll
go
over
to
that
golf
course
in
farmington,
that's
pretty
renowned
and
then,
of
course,
a
couple
of
courses
in
albuquerque
and
I
think
one
in
las
cruces.
K
So
I
I
would
hate
for
us
to
see
that
lose
that
kind
of
revenue,
because
when
people
come
here
to
play
golf
they
stay
here
and
they
spend
money
and
it
is
affecting
tourism.
The
other
thing
I
want
to,
I
don't
know
if
I
have
this
correct,
but
I
believe
a
lot
of
our
good
marketing
has
been
done
by
the
person
who
works
in
marty
sanchez.
K
I've
seen
some
of
the
materials,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
I'm
right,
but
I
think
the
proposal
is
to
move
that
person
into
constituent
services
and
marketing,
I'm
not
so
sure,
I'm
in
favor
of
that.
But
you
know
that
be
we're
already
kind
of
sparsing
out
that
recreation
facility
as
it
is,
I
think
we
have
more
to
lose
than
not
by
not
funding
new
mexico
golf
to
continue
to
run
this
course.
K
A
T
Thank
you
chair.
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
reorganization.
I
I'll
make
it
quick
a
couple
of
thoughts
on
it.
T
T
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
an
answer
to
it,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
certainly
needs
to
be
addressed
when
we
vote
on
a
reorganization.
What
do
we
gain
by
doing
this?
We
changed
this
around.
I
believe
in
2014..
T
T
Secondly,
I
can
see
medians
and
building
maintenance
going
over
to
public
works,
but
to
me
it
seems
like
parks,
themselves
and
recreation
do
belong
together
and
I'm
wondering
did
we
go
to
staff
and
ask
them
for
their
opinion
on
it
and
how
they
thought
it
could
best
work,
because
it's
a
big
change
for
people-
I
I
don't
know
where
it
needs
to
be
housed,
but
I
also
think
that
for
anybody
that's
been
on
this
council
for
any
amount
of
time
whatsoever.
T
T
It's
not
possible
friends,
we're
setting
them
up
for
failure,
we're
setting
ourselves
up
for
failure,
it's
something
that
the
public
sees
every
time
they
get
in
their
car
and
constituents
feel
like
we've
failed
them
on
this,
and
it's
not
trust
me.
It
is
not
the
fault
of
our
crews,
those
crews
work
astoundingly
hard
can't
do
it
can't
cover
them
all.
I
think
that.
T
I
think
john
munoz
has
brought
the
people
in
those
departments
together
in
a
way
that
I
haven't
seen
them
work
together
before
they
feel
heard.
They
feel
listened
to.
They
feel
part
of
a
team,
and
I
think
that's
a
big
deal,
because
I
think
that
for
a
long
time
they
kind
of
felt
like
they
were
a
bit
of
a
a
stepchild
of
a
a
different
department,
also
certainly
jennifer
with
the
golf
course.
T
You
know
she
stepped
up
a
few
years
ago
and
and
I've
sat
on
that
oversight
board
for
a
long
time,
and
things
have
never
worked.
This
well
and
I
totally
agree
with
counselor
v
hill
coppler.
T
Let's
not
fix
that.
It's
not
broken
that.
That
thing
is
running.
Well,
it's
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
out
there.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
do
that
for
a
long
time,
but
I
hear
from
people
all
the
time
how
well
it's
running
so
my
concern
is
in
the
reorg.
What
do
we
gain
by
doing
this?
What
what
do
we
get
by
splitting
this
up?
And
I
I
think
in
the
last
couple
of
years
we've
seen
a
lot
of
games
and
I
don't
want
to
erode
what
we've
worked
on
and
put
together.
T
So
in
order
to
move
this
on,
I
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
things
that
are
going
to
need
to
come
to
us
to
get
this
reorg
we're
not
voting
on
a
reorg
right
now
we're
strictly
voting
on
a
budget,
and
I
will
say
that
this
budget,
in
terms
of
people,
to
complete
the
work
that
we're
asking
it's
inadequate
and
we're
gonna,
have
to
address
it
again.
But
in
order
to
move
this
on,
I
will
make
a
motion
to
approve.
A
Is
there
a
need,
there
might
not
be
a
need
to
meet
tomorrow
unless
we
want
to
meet
on
just
this
issue?
Do
we
think
we'll
get
more
public.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
I'll
second,
the
motion,
because
I
just
don't
know
how
much
more
information
we're
gonna
be
we're
gonna
get
between
now
and
tomorrow.
Regarding
public
works,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
issues
have
to
do
with
the
reorg.
A
I
think
when
it
comes
to
the
the
golf
course
and
the
contract
specifically,
I
think
that's
something
that
miss
mccoy
and
the
city
manager,
along
with
the
two
directors,
can
take
a
look
at
like.
I
said
this
is
an
enterprise
fund.
I
would
be
surprised
if
there's
not
a
way
we
can
restore
this
contract
through
raising
fees
or
maybe,
as
part
of
the
reorg
there's
vacancy
savings
that
come
up.
So
I
just
don't
know
that
continuing
the
discussion
on
this
budget
will
add
anything
more
so.
H
H
B
Mr
chairman
counselors,
we
can
try
to
find
the
funding
overnight.
I
really
do
think
we
can
working
with
john
romero
john
munoz
and
director
wheeler.
We
can
manage
this
over
the
next
few
weeks
and
and
come
back
to
you
with
a
report
on
on
how
we
can
either
make
a
budget
adjustment
or
or
manage
through
this.
B
I
think
it'll
beat
mr
chair,
I
think
it'll
be
really
difficult
to
do
overnight.
It'll,
be
again
that
with
any
major
change,
whether
it's
a
reorganization
or
with
this
drastic
of
a
budget
reduction.
This
is
these
are
the
difficult
decisions
that
we're
talking
about.
I
think
director
wheeler
had
raised
her
hand
and
wanted
to
address
this
topic
as
well.
A
H
So
I
mean
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
still
we'll
work
on
how
we're
going
to
address
the
golf
course
either
between
now
and
potentially
at
this
point
wednesday,
and
it
may
take
longer
than
that.
But
I
mean
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
we,
but
we
having
a
commitment
that
we
need
to
have
a
functioning
golf
course.
H
We
approve
the
budget,
you
know
as
it
is,
which
is
a
cut
to
this
contract,
with
an
understanding
that
there's
a
realization
that
we
have
to
have
a
functioning
golf
course,
and
we
need
to
find
the
money.
Somehow
I
mean,
if
that's
the
understanding,
I
I
think
that's
probably.
Okay
and
again,
I
don't
want
to
be
pitting
interests
directly
against
each
other.
A
B
Counselors
at
this
point,
the
way
I
understand
the
intent
of
the
counselors
is
this:
it
will
be
one
of
our
top
priorities,
moving
forward
in
the
next
few
weeks
to
be
able
to
identify
either
an
additional
way
to
fund
this,
but
that
this
is
a
key
critical
service
for
the
functioning
of
the
golf
course.
In
addition,
you
know
we
will
avoid
pitting
this
against
other
other
key
critical
mission,
critical
funding
opportunities
for
other
areas
in
the
budget.
T
T
Do
you
feel
that
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
motion?
Counselor.
T
Yes,
I
would
that
we
that
we
bring
forth
the
a
proposal
to
fund
the
new
mexico
golf
profession,
new
mexico,
golf.
H
A
Okay,
then,
can
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please.
H
A
A
So
now
we're
gonna
hear
from
ask
me
who
had
sent
an
email
either
yesterday
later
in
the
afternoon
or
maybe
this
morning
is
when
I
saw
it,
but
I
reached
out
to
ask
me
and
asked
if
they
wanted
to
another
opportunity
to
address
the
finance
committee
and
they
had
agreed
that
yeah
they
would
be
willing
to
do
that
now
at
3
30..
So
joe,
can
you
let
the
afscme
representatives
on
so
that
they
can
address
the
committee
councillor?
They
are
on
ok,
so
go
ahead.
N
Good
afternoon
councillors,
good
afternoon,
chairman
of
beta
good
afternoon
city
staff,
my
name
is
therese
martinez.
I
am
the
recording
secretary
for
afscme
local
39.99,
and
I
was
asked
to
read
to
you
what
you
most
of
you
should
have
probably
received
earlier
this
morning
on
our
position
statement
as
to
what
we
feel
about
the
financial
budgeting.
N
So
I'm
going
to
read
off
if
I
hope
that
you
don't
mind,
it
is
lengthy
and
I
will
be
just
going
line
by
line
afscme
local
3999
position,
statement
on
financial
budgeting,
the
city,
reorg
city,
government,
reorganization.
We
believe
that
this
should
be
a
separate
issue
unto
itself.
It
is
intermingled
with
the
current
approval
of
the
city
budget
for
2020
2021.
N
Therefore,
if
the
financial,
if
the
finance
committee
approves
the
city
budget
for
2020
2021
and
it
goes
to
council,
it
is
also
approving
the
restructuring
of
the
current
city
structure.
This
should
not
be
clumped
together.
What
is
the
motivation
for
this
new
structure
right
here
right
now
in
this
budget?
The
mayor
spoke
of
better.
What
makes
this
better
government
what
case
studies
back
this
up?
N
We
understand
the
need
for
health
and
safety,
engagement
and
development,
especially
at
this
time
with
the
current
state
of
our
world,
but
to
make
our
entire
government
offices
these
and
lump
it
together
with
the
current
budget,
makes
it
a
given
not
an
option,
not
even
a
vote
on
just
that
and
an
easing
into
and
looking
at
any
other
alternatives,
because
albuquerque
is
doing.
It
is
not
a
good
reason.
N
How
does
this
reimagining
city
government
provide
better
service?
The
time
frame
is
rushing
it,
the
reorganization
into
approval
and
guaranteeing
that
it
is
approved
by
pairing
it
into
the
budget
approvals
and
included
in
every
department's
budget.
There
are
too
many
complications
repercussions
and
questions
that
arise
from
such
a
hasty
decision.
N
This
affects
over
1400
employees,
including
the
councillors
on
which
this
decision,
on
which
this
decision
rests.
Please
consider
requesting
an
extension
to
separate
the
restructure
from
the
current
budget.
It
should
not
be
a
given
what
is
not
working
in
the
current
city
organization.
They
can
be
rectified
without
changing
the
structure
and
reorganizing.
N
What
are
the
roles
and
missions
of
the
community
engagement
department,
the
community
development
department,
the
community
health
and
safety
department?
Is
the
term
community
being
used
to
give
the
santa
fe
residents
a
sense
of
involvement
in
the
city
government?
This
causes
confusion
which
department
handles
what
this
muddies
up
the
waters,
the
financial
budget?
N
We
do
not
agree
that
these
being
fused
together
and
dependent
on
one
another
is
a
fair
budget
solution
first
and
fore.
The
first
and
foremost
question
on
our
minds
is
the
most
prudent
if
the
higher
the
hiring
freeze
reduction
in
operating
expenses
and
capital
costs
and
the
use
of
surplus
surplus
cash
balances
from
18
different
funds.
N
This
is
the
mayor's
statement
to
the
new
mexican
patch
up
the
existing
deficit.
Yet
there
is
an
anticipated
decrease
in
revenue
resources.
Where
is
all
the
money
coming
from?
For
all
the
new
positions
and
expenditures,
we
request
the
breakdown
of
the
savings
from
the
previous
hiring
freezes,
the
no
longer
allowing
of
comp
in
overtime
savings.
The
salary
pay
cut
savings,
the
next
series
of
furloughs
that
we
are
currently
in
until
september
savings,
etc
that
equals
the
list
of
the
actual
savings
and
proposed
use
of
these
saved
monies.
N
Where
is
the
1.5
million
dollar
retirement
incentive
money
coming
from
for
the
retirement?
Will
these
new
now
vacant
from
retirement
positions
be
frozen
or
filled?
Will
it
be
dependent
on
the
position
the
proposed
role
of
director
of
health
and
safety,
for
which
the
salary
is
being
taken
from
a
retiring
assistant,
fire
chief,
106,
000
salary
to
a
proposed
salary
of
194,
and
this
was
with
benefits?
This
was
mary,
mccoy's
information.
N
Where
is
this
money
coming
from?
Why
is
this
position
necessary?
Isn't
the
city
manager
already
in
an
overseeing
position
at
the
present?
Is
the
city
manager
being
replaced
by
this
position?
Doesn't
the
city
already
have
plenty
of
managers?
Another
tier
and
red
tape
has
been
added.
This
does
not
appear
to
simplify
but
congests
the
process.
N
How
does
adding
an
additional
director
at
a
very
high
salary
affect
the
other
20
division
directors
that
have
a
15
salary
cut
the
department
directors?
How
are
they
affected
are
the
division,
directors
and
managers
also
getting
a
salary
cut
of
15?
This
is
unclear
again.
What
are
the
cost
savings
for
this,
and
where
are
these
monies
being
directed?
N
If
this
director
is
overseeing
police,
fire
and
other
community
services,
what
kind
of
qualifications
does
this
director
need?
We
have
budget
we've
heard
budgetary,
then
expert
in
police,
fire
and
social
work
background.
What
are
the
qualifications
and
responsibilities
of
this
position?
What
is
the
irky
for
others
beneath
this
position?
Do
responsibilities
overlap?
Is
this
a
redundant
position?
What
will
the
roles
and
responsibilities
of
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
now
be?
Where
is
the
new
organizational
chart
for
each
and
every
imp
so
that
each
and
every
employee
is
clear
where
they
stand?
N
N
When
does
upward
movement
and
promotion
happen?
If
everything
is
frozen,
this
is
proposing
stagnation.
The
monthly
updates
the
mayor
is
proposing.
Is
there
any
possibility
of
changing
terms
or
conditions
of
the
budget?
The
vacant
positions
who
approves
these
the
labor
management
board?
That's
half
union,
half
city
management
or
the
council?
Is
it
refuted,
reviewed
officially
by
the
finance
committee
and
the
findings
taken
to
either
of
the
aforementioned
boards?
The
fact
that
the
city
manager
can,
with
her
signature,
approve
000
of
expenses,
200
000
dollars
of
expenses
and
the
mayor
is
proposing
contracts
for
new
hires.
N
What
happens
to
the
higher?
What
happened
to
the
hiring
freeze?
The
council
does
not
have
to
approve
any
of
them.
The
city
manager
through
the
mayor
can
do
so
with
the
stroke
of
the
pen
correct.
Why
is
there
a
1264
budget
increase
in
the
community
services
budget,
fifty
758
thousand
six
hundred
dollars
under
contractuals
and
utilities?
N
It
looks
like
a
blank
check
waiting
to
be
written
by
whomever
labels.
It
is
essential,
since
it
appears
others
can
dip
into
this
fund.
Who
is
policing
this?
Why
is
this
solely
on
the
shoulders
of
the
community
services
budget?
The
city
manager
brought
up
that
this
was
phase
one.
What
does
phase
one
consist
of
what
is
phase
two
three
etc?
What
are
the
conditions
elements
details
for
each
phase
and
why
who
develop
these
phases?
And
how
does
this
affect
the
budget?
N
N
N
N
N
The
1st
will
the
city
be
caught
up
in
the
reorganization
and
all
the
consequences
caused
to
be
made
to
make
time
to
attend
meetings.
Do
these
new
committee
community
departments
affect
the
classification
of
employees,
reduce
the
workforce,
cost
shortages
or
redundancies
duplicate
services?
All
these
will
affect
the
contract
negotiations
and
day-to-day
operations
uniforms,
ppe,
work,
boots,
etc.
This
is
presently
handled
department
by
department
with
the
new
proposed
compressed
reorganized
departments.
How
will
this
be
handled?
Should
this
plan
be
approved?
N
How
are
department
budgets
being
handled
in
the
future,
going
from
12
departments
to
three?
How
do
these
very
different
new
divisions
share?
A
budget
when
they
have
entirely
different
needs
and
responsibilities,
roles
and
duties,
or
will
there
still
be
12
individual
budgets
underneath
the
new
proposed
departments,
how
many
new
positions
are
being
created
with
the
reorganization,
social
workers,
directors,
etc
during
a
hiring
freeze
and
how
are
they
all
being
funded?
N
N
This
will
affect
our
union
membership
and
complicate
an
already
struggling
workforce
with
all
that
has
been
thrown
at
them
since
march
of
this
year.
We
strongly
request
that
the
reorganization
be
separated
from
the
proposed
budget,
then
that
the
reorganization
be
justified
with
proper
research
and
data.
N
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
This
was
well
written
and
thought
out,
and
I
really
appreciate
you
reaching
out
to
us
and
presenting
this
information
to
us
today.
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
hear
from
you
on
this.
I
would
encourage
fire
and
police
that,
if
they
have
thoughts,
also
that
go
into
this
kind
of
depth
and
detail
that
they
should
share
that
with
us.
A
I
think
it's
very
important.
A
lot
of
the
points
that
you
raise.
I
think
it's
very
important
to
underscore
that
the
approval
of
the
budget
does
not
constitute
approval
of
the
reorg.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
between
now
and
when
the
reorganization
is
finally
presented
to
the
governing
body,
but
it
is
going
to
be
very
helpful
to
have
your
thoughts
on
these
issues
as
we
have
the
discussions,
not
only
as
a
finance
committee,
but
also
as
a
governing
body.
Thank
you
once
again
for
taking
the
time
to
present.
N
We
did
have
one
last
concern
that
came
up
just
with
a
little
bit
of
viewing
of
what
was
going
on
today,
we
heard
august
was
going
to
be
the
approval
for
the
reorganization,
and
we
also
heard
I
there
was
something
about
about
the
proposed
savings
that
were
foreclosed
positions
that
were
vacant
that
were
being
moved
to
other
areas,
but
we're
also
thinking
in
the
future
about
the
reopening.
N
What's
what
with
the
reopening
what
happens
with
all
the
proposed
savings
from
being
closed?
Because
again,
can
the
monthly
meetings
adjust
the
budget
in
september?
The
position
savings
all
those
kinds
of
things.
N
It
would
be
a
whole
different
picture
and
we
were
really
pushing
that
there
be
some
kind
of
decision
making
in
these
monthly
meetings
that
they're
just
not
updates,
but
that
they
are
actually
have
some
kind
of
of
action
with
it,
not
just
an
update
as
to
we
got
so
many
gr
more
in
the
grt
or
the
general
funds
that
kind
of
thing,
but
that
there
are
actual
updates.
That
say
where
these
positions
are
what's
happening
to
these
vacant
positions,
especially
those
that
are
in
need
of
some
of
those
vacant
positions
being
reinstated.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
good
point
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we
talked
about
in
the
beginning
of
the
budget.
This
budget
process
was
that
this
is
something
that's
going
to
be
different
from
years
past,
where,
as
you
know,
we
approve
a
budget
and
then
for
some
of
us
it
goes
on
a
shelf
and
then
we
get
on
to
the
other
business
of
the
city.
I
think,
what's
going
to
happen,
why
I
know
with
this
budget
because
of
the
situation
that
we're
in
that
there's
going
to
be
adjustments
throughout
the
year.
A
Maybe
not
they're,
not
monthly,
but
I
would
think
they're
gonna
be
at
least
quarterly
and
it
so
this
is
gonna
be
something
that
gets
adjusted
and
an
official
action
taken
on
by
the
governing
body
throughout
the
year,
not
just
on
wednesday
and
then,
like
I
said,
like
years
past,
we
put
it
on
the
shelf
and
we
go
back
to
our
business
as
normal.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
we
have
15
minutes.
We
got
a
memo
from
shannon
jones,
a
public
utilities
director
regarding
the
public
utilities
department
and,
specifically
the
questions
we
had
regarding
the
buckman
direct
diversion.
So
are
there?
Are
there
questions
from
the
committee
regarding
the
buckman
director.
A
Sure
what
is
what
are
the
do?
You
want
to
make
a
motion.
H
I
I
I'd
like
to
move
that
we
adjourn
if
possible
and
take
this
up
tomorrow.
I
just
this
is,
I
think,
a
really
important
conversation
and
I'm
concerned
about
bifurcating.
It.
A
H
A
D
There's
outstanding
questions
and
things
that
we
want
to
and
information
we're
still
awaiting,
and
when
are
we
going
to
receive
that
information?
Because
if
we
have
questions
to
follow
up
on
that
additional
information,
then
I'm
trying
to
understand
when
we're
going
to
be
able
to
ask
those
questions.
A
B
Mr
chair
counselors,
as
I
indicated
before,
and
in
the
email
over
the
weekend,
staff
is
continuing
to
compile
the
information
in
response
to
counselors
questions
throughout
last
week.
That's
the
difficult
thing
about
doing
budget
hearings
day
after
day
is
we're
having
to
work
on
at
night
and
on
the
weekend
to
compile
these
responses
and
to
make
sure
that
they
are
complete
and
we
are
being
responsive
to
the
questions
that
are
asked.
Counselor
villarreal
did
bring
up
a
rogers
tax
question.
B
I
believe
earlier
that
we
did
have
an
opportunity
to
get
the
city
attorney's
office
to
weigh
in
on
that
this
morning.
So
we
expect
that
information
to
be
coming
today,
as
soon
as
I
have
an
opportunity
to
review
it
this
evening,
as
well
as
the
position
information
that
was
requested.
B
If
there
is
anything
that
is
outstanding
other
than
what
we
covered
today,
we
do
please
let
me
know
you
know
give
me
a
call,
send
me
an
email,
so
we
can
make
sure
those
are
the
two
major
items
that
are
outstanding
on
my
list.
Well,
there
was
a
few.
D
Others
that
me
myself
and
other
counselors
brought
up,
but
at
this
point
I
haven't
seen
the
comprehensive
list
of
things
the
outstanding
questions
and
information
needed
so
and
I
think
you
said
chair
that
you
had
sent
something
out,
but
I
haven't
seen
it,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
my
questions
were
on
that
list
or
not.
A
Okay
yeah,
I
sent
mary
a
draft
list
of
questions
or
notes
that
I
had
I'll
update
it
this
afternoon,
I'll
send
it
to
the
entire
group.
This
is
by
hopefully
five
o'clock
and
then
maybe
what
we
could
do
after
we
deal
with
the
bdd
we
could,
depending
how
much
time
we
have.
We
can
maybe
try
to
pick
off
some
of
those
those
items
tomorrow
and
see
what
we
can
get
to
and
then,
if
we
need
more
to
come
back
to,
maybe
the
next
finance
committee
meeting
or
wednesday
with
answers,
we
can
do
that.
D
Okay,
how
does
that
sound
councilwoman
via
rael?
Well,
there's
some
that
are
questions
that
we
had.
That
would
be
contingent
on
our
approval
of
the
budget,
so
it's
not
like
they
can
wait
next
finance
committee
meeting
some
are
very
specific
to
our
to
the
budget,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
doing
this.
I
mean
we
have
a
very
large
agenda
on
wednesday.
For
some
reason
I
mean
this.
One
is
a
big
bulk
of
it,
a
big
piece
of
it,
which
is
important.
D
I
wish
we
would
get
rid
of
some
of
the
things
that
maybe
not
don't
need
to
be
heard
on
the
on
the
council
meeting
agenda
and
I'm
not
sure
if
anyone's
looking
into
that,
because
I
think
it's
pretty
unsustainable,
we're
going
to
be
there
all
night,
considering
what
we
have
to
hear
on
and
our
public
hearings
so
yeah.
I
just
want
to
see
what's
on
the
list
of
that.
A
D
Well,
I
think
they
already.
They
already
announced
the
time
it's
already
out
there
at
five
and
the
resolution
I
have
to
change
the
time,
for
the
remainder
of
this
year
is
going
to
be
heard
at
that
meeting.
A
M
Counselor
abeyta
members
of
the
committee,
we
do
need
to
do
72
hours
notice
unless
it's
an
emergency
hearing,
so
we
we
are
beyond
that
time
period.
At
this
point,.
A
I
knew
there
was
some
kind
of
exception,
but
I
didn't
realize
it
was
only
two
hours:
okay,
okay,
then,
okay,
then
that's
what
we'll
see
what
we
can
get
done
tomorrow
and
then,
like
I
said
I'll,
send
my
notes
this
evening
and
we'll
just
have
to
go
from
there
and
then
miss
city
manager.
You'll.
Take
do
you
have
any
comments
regarding
the
agenda
for.
U
Wednesday,
thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
if
other
within
the
parameters
of
the
hours,
if
others
have
suggestions,
we've
reviewed
the
agenda
a
number
of
times,
they're
all
time,
sensitive,
you'll,
note,
the
first
number
and
the
discussion
items
are
all
contracts
that
have
to
be
approved.
So
the
we've
gone
over
it
time
and
time
again
trying
to
look
and
see
if
we
can
do
something
else.
U
If
we,
if
we
needed
to
postpone
some,
you
know
the
the
agenda
for
the
12th
is
also
getting
long
and
tight
so
open
to
suggestions
within
the
parameters.
The
city
attorney
lays
out.
We've
looked,
and
I
don't.
I
have
not
come
up
with
any
good
suggestions
other
than
we
just
got
a
power
through.