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A
A
A
Yes,
okay,
so
we're
going
to
start
with
community
services,
but
before
we
get
into
the
numbers,
I
do
want
to
give
the
opportunity
to
the
city
manager
and
maybe
the
mayor,
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
departments
we're
hearing
today
how
it
fits
into
the
reorganization.
I
think,
on
day
one
we
heard
about
the
need
to
respond
regarding
public
safety
and
our
community
police
fire
community
services
and
how
these
these
areas
fit
in
with
one
another.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
for
hearing
us
today,
the
overarching
proposal.
You
will
hear
the
individual
budgets
of
the
departments,
but
the
overall
proposal
is
to
create
the
community
health
and
safety
department.
D
The
the
intention
is
this
is
to
create
a
as
to
provide
a
community
response
to
our
public
safety
needs,
reimagining.
The
way
our
traditional
response
away
from
the
armed
responses
and
providing
for
a
more
nimble
approach
that
is
rooted
in
public
health.
The
creation
of
this
department
is
going
to
create
alignment
in
the
way
we
respond
in
our
programs.
D
It
sounds
like
this
is.
This
type
of
reorganization
has
been
talked
about
under
different
mayors,
different
administrations
and
different
iterations,
and
it
felt
like
in
this
moment,
in
this
time,
both
being
in
the
midst
of
a
a
critical
public
health
pandemic
facing
calls
around
the
ways
in
which
we
address
our
public
safety.
That
this
moment
was
really
important
to
take
a
bold
and
progressive
step.
This
is
phase
one
this.
D
The
the
proposal
we're
presenting
to
you
today
still
is
phase
one,
so
it
it
proposes
to
put
the
the
departments
together
under
the
leadership
and
direction
of
a
department
director.
That
would
be
a
new
position
in
which
we
will
need
to
hire
for
it's
a
very
particular
skill
set
that
I
think
we
will
exist
in
our
community
and
we
need
to
go
find
that
and
then
we
will
begin
to
work
through
the
the
synergies
and
ways
in
which
this
this
department
merges
together.
D
I
think
the
the
task
force
that
the
mayor
has
asked
councillor
rivera
and
councillor
viral
to
share
will
be
integral
as
we
move
forward
in
the
through
the
implementation
phase
of
this.
There
are
still
many
more
questions
than
answers,
but
it
felt
timely
to
bring
forward
a
bold
proposal
using
albuquerque
a
little
bit
as
our
model.
They've
done
something
similar,
obviously
they're
a
much
bigger
entity
than
we
are
and
have
different
resources
to
pull,
but
they
put
forward
a
proposal.
That's
now
working
its
way
through
the
through
the
process.
D
So
with
that,
I
think
each
individual
budget
stands
for
itself,
but
that
is
the
overview
I'd
like
to
start
with.
A
Thank
you
and
mayor
I'd
like
to
to
hear
from
you.
This
is
your
budget.
A
We've
been
getting
a
lot
of
emails
from
the
public
regarding
the
police,
some
have
been
I've
been
getting
both
some
in
favor
of
the
police
and
in
fact,
needing
more
police,
and
then
I've
been
getting
emails,
saying
we
need
to
defund
the
police
to
fund
the
police,
some
by
50
percent,
and
so
I
wanted
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
address
the
finance
committee
before
we
start.
Looking
at
the
particulars
of
each
of
these
departments,.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
see
that
councilman
via
villarreal's
hand
is
up
as
well,
and
I'm
I'm.
E
I
will
be
brief
because
I
know
there
are
a
lot
of
substantive
issues
around
each
of
these
budgets,
but
I
think
you're
correct
to
address
the
macro
concerns
that
are
in
the
united
states
of
america
today
and
and
in
santa
fe,
we're
at
a
time
in
the
country
where
we
are
every
community
being
asked
to
address
centuries
of
racism,
systemic
racism,
we're
being
asked
to
take
a
hard
look
at
how
police
and
public
safety
have
participated
in
many
cases
in
perpetuating
racism
and
underscoring
it
and
we're
also
at
a
time
when
there
are
serious
issues
of
responding
to
public
safety
requests
for
faster
response
times.
E
E
E
The
question:
there
are
many
questions
that
are
in
the
air
right
now
regarding
public
safety
and
public
health,
and
I
think
we
need
to
see
those
two
pieces
very
much
together.
The
way
counselor
cassette
sanchez
has
spoken
since
her
campaign
that
public
all
issues
are
public
health
issues.
E
At
the
same
time,
public
health
touches
issues
of
poverty,
equity,
inclusivity
and
and
and
social
and
racial
justice.
I
think
the
time
for
santa
fe
to
step
into
this
discussion.
Candidly
and
forthrightly
is
now.
E
We
are
part
of
the
debate.
That's
going
on
around
the
united
states
question
about
resources
is
an
important
one,
but
I
was
thinking
back
to
a
time
a
number
of
years
ago,
when
I
was
working
in
washington
dc
in
the
carter
administration,
and
there
was
a
reform
movement
around
national
defense
and
national
security,
and
at
the
time
the
debate
was
very
bifurcated.
Republicans
said,
spend
more
on
defense
democrats
said,
spend
less
on
defense
and
there
was
finally
a
reform
movement.
E
E
E
What
are
our
use
of
force
policies
and
whether
or
not
we
have
ways
to
make
sure
our
officers
are
behaving
appropriately,
but
also
whether
we're
asking
them
to
answer
the
right
calls
with
the
right
people
all
over
america.
People
have
risen
to
the
thought
that
police
departments
are
not
swiss
army
knives.
They
can't
do
all
things
for
all
people.
E
And
now
our
community
services
team
is
working
with
the
county
on
the
connect
program,
which
is
another
way
of
using
our
resources
more
effectively
to
solve
problems
that
people
experience
every
day
in
ways
that
give
them
help,
rather
than
finding
ways
to
blame
them.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thanks
mayor
for
your
words
and
also
for
the
city
manager,
for
kind
of
outlining
what
your
vision
is
for
the
community
health
and
safety
department.
I
think
that,
like
you
said
it's
not
a
new
concept,
but
the
only
way
it
can
be
successful
is
if
it
has
integrated
functionality
and
eventually
integrated
budgets.
So
right
now
we're
just
seeing
separate
budgets
that
we
have
to
go
through,
but
it
eventually
I'd
like
to
see
that
department
have
and
reflect
values
that
you
just
talked
about
the
mayor
versus
just
saying.
F
We
have
an
umbrella
that
we
care
about,
but
everything
else
still
functions
the
same
way.
So
that
would
be
my
aspiration
for
this
department
if
it
passes
the
governing
body
just
a
question
for
the
city
manager.
If
you
could
tell
us
based
on
what
you
just
mentioned
about
the
department,
if
you
can
describe
or
just
explain
to
us
where
the
funding
will
come
from
to
support
the
new
director
for
this
potentially
newly
formed
department.
D
Sure
it
so
it's
actually
taking
a
position
that
is
in
fire,
so
you'll
see
it
listed
out
in
the
fire
budget
a
vacant
position
there
that
would
be
reclassified
into
the
director
level
position.
F
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
know
that
we
will
have
opportunities
to
really
discuss
what
this
reorganization
looks
like
and
what
it
really
means
for
how
these
departments
function
together.
The
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
say,
as
we
continue
to
move
forward
with
this
is
I
was
reading
the
department
mission
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
still
not
just
focusing
on
response,
but
also
prevention,
and
that
will
be
really
key
and
how
we
are
seeing.
G
Taking
taking
away
crime
before
it
happens
is
usually
the
best
way
to
be
dealing
with
crime
and
and
looking
at
all
the
different
ways
that
this
is
integrated
into
so
much
of
the
work
that
community
service
has
done
and
that
this
will
create
a
constant
need
for
re-evaluation
of
what
our
public
safety
looks
like.
G
So
those
are
some
of
the
pieces
that,
as
we
are
really
fleshing
this
out
as
we
assuming
that
we
pass
this
as
we
are
looking
for
a
director
that
that
mission
is
really
really
holistic
in
that
sense
that
we
are
looking
through
all
phases
of
where
public
health
and
safety
and
not
just
public
safety.
G
I
know
that
public
safety
is
very
much
on
the
forefront
of
our
minds
right
now,
but
there
are
still
components
of
public
health
that
I
want
to
make
sure
are
not
forgotten,
as
we
are
looking
at
this
things
like
hunger.
Things
like
how
we
collaborate
with
the
school
district
in
education
and
supporting
youth
services
and
youth
opportunities
and
a
whole
host
of
other
things
that
mizochoa
could
talk
to
us
about.
I
also
would
agree
with
council
via
real
about
looking
in
the
future,
how
these
budgets
do
start
to
mesh.
G
So,
as
we
are
looking
at
these
needs
that
these
funding
streams
are
not
necessarily
going
to
stay
siloed,
but
that
we
we
start
to
see
how
they
can
come
together
to
really
serve
the
needs
of
our
community.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Just
wanted
to
mention
that,
as
I
know
that
we
will
have
a
lot
more
time
to
discuss
these,
but
as
we
are
preparing
for
those
discussions,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
are
considered.
H
Councilwoman
lindell
thank
you,
chair.
What's
the
time
frame
for
launching
the
community
health
and
safety
department,
and
when
will
the
roles
of
when
will
the
role
of
the
director
be
defined
and
how
that
will
impact
the
current
directors
or
chiefs
of
the
departments
that
are
under
that
director?.
D
Mr
chair
councillor,
lindell,
thank
you
for
the
question
I
think
upon.
Should
this
proposal
be
approved,
then
we
we
continue
to,
as
the
two
counselors
mentioned
before,
continue
to
refine
the
mission
develop.
The
job
posting
we'd,
like
that.
That's
the
linchpin
of
this
hiring.
That
position
will
be
key
and
integral
to
be
able
to
do
all
of
the
the
next
level
of
integrating.
So
I
think
it
it.
It
remains
fluid,
but
I
think,
as
as
fast
as
possible
is,
is
the
time
frame.
H
I
appreciate
that
I
think,
as
fast
as
possible
is
good,
but
I'm
still
not
very
clear
about
how
what
we're
asked,
what
we're
asking
of
these
departments
in
supporting
each
other
and
not
being
silos,
and
I'm
also
I'm
sorry,
but
I
wasn't
clear
about
what
position
out
of
fire
is
being
directed
as
a
vacancy
to
the
director.
Can.
Can
you
give
me
a
detail
on
that?
What
was
the
position
and
what
was
the
salary.
D
It
is
the
mr
chair,
councillor
lindell,
it
is
the
assist
assistant
fire
chief
position.
I
would
ask
if
either
mary
or
bernadette
know
this
salary
associated
with
that.
I
do
not
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
I
Mr
chair
counselor,
the
annual
salary
with
salary
and
also
salary
dependent
benefits,
as
well
as
health
insurance
and
dental
insurance,
totals
194
000.
I
D
I
and
to
clarify
this
is
an
assist
as
jerrell
mentioned.
This
is
the
assistant
fire
chief
position
that
is
vacant,
and
so
that
position
was,
if
you
give
me
a
second
I'll,
give
you
what
the
position
was
budgeted
at
previously.
I
See
we
can
tell
you
the
difference
between
the
two
if
you
want
to
continue
with
questions
I'll
go
ahead
and
pipe
up
in
a
bit
once
I
have
that
difference
for
you,
okay,.
H
I
Mr
chair
counselors,
yes,
that
is
correct
and
the
comparison
between
the
total
annual
salary,
the
fire
assistant
fire
chief
last
year,
was
budgeted
at
106
000
for
the
annual
salary
as
compared
to
the
132
thousand
okay
for
the
new
position.
H
H
H
Okay,
today
yeah
yes,
okay,
and
also
asking
that
then
I
would
want
to
know
what
are
the
salaries
of
the
directors
that
that
I
mean.
I
don't
know
if
you
call
them
director
division
chairs,
I
don't
know
what
their
titles
are,
but
two
titles
would
be
chief
of
police
and
chief
of
fire.
What
are
their
salaries?
H
H
Well,
they
have
a
so
will
they
have
less
administrative
responsibility
than
they
did
before.
D
Mr
chair
counselor
lindell,
I
I
think
the
answer
to
your.
I
don't
have
an
affirmative
answer
to
your
question.
I
think
it
depends.
I
think
that
the
day-to-day
operations
of
all
of
those
of
particularly
the
fire
and
police
departments
will
remain
very
very
similar.
They
are
still
running
the
day-to-day
operations.
D
What
this
community
health
and
safety
department
director
position
really
adds
an
overarching
vision
and
a
driving
force,
so
we
can
focus
on
areas
again
to
collaborate
where
we're
building
out
programs
that
make
sense
we're
focusing
on
on
homelessness
on
opioid
reduction,
there's
a
whole
host
of
areas
in
which
so
it's
less
focused
on
the
the
day-to-day
operations
and
more
on
the
broad
picture
driving
forward.
H
Okay,
I
requested
yesterday,
I
didn't
request
it
in
the
hearings,
but
I'll
request
it
publicly
now
to
have
each
one
of
the
members
of
the
finance
committee
sent
a
salary
breakdown
for
every
division
director
and
every
division.
I
I
don't
know
what
do
we
call
them?
Division,
directors
and
then
department
directors
is
that
the
is
that.
D
The
titles
mr
chair,
counselor
lindell,
if
I
may
clarify
I
think
what
you're
asking
for,
is
a
list
of
all
of
the
of
the
previously
existing
department
directors,
which
numbers
20
and
then
any
changes
that
we
are
contemplating,
which
would
turn
department
directors
into
division
directors.
I
don't
think
you
are
asking
for
current
division
director
salary,
as
that
is
a
very
large
group
of
people.
There
are
a
number
of
divisions.
H
D
We
will
to
to
clarify,
we
will
provide
the
list
of
20
department
directors
in
their
salary
and
any
proposed
changes
to
their
salaries
as
as
a
result
of
this
budget,
and
then,
if
you
want
something
further,
we
will
we
can
provide
that.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
K
I
was
wondering
about
the
fire,
the
newly
created
community
services
and
such
director
that
counselor
lindell
was
talking
about
and
the
positions
coming
from
assistant
fire
chief,
which
is
a
upward
mobility,
promotional
position,
and
I'm
wondering
why
other
than
if
that
was
vacant,
why
would
that
position
be
chosen
rather
than
any
other
vacancy
that
we
have
in
the
city
because
it
it's
it's
more
than
just
a
vacant
position,
it's
a
promotable
position,
and
so
with
the
counterparts
in
police
department.
K
D
Answer,
yes,
I
will,
I
will
answer,
and
then
perhaps
chief
babcock
wants
to
weigh
in
it
was,
I
think,
as
straightforward
as
a
a
vacant
position
that
is
not
currently
planned
was
not
planned
to
be
hired
into,
and
so
that
is
that
was
the.
That
was
the
rationale
chief.
Do
you
want
to
clarify
any
thing
further.
L
Yes,
mr
chair
and
members
of
the
committee,
so
when
the
fire
department
presented
our
budget,
we
froze
22
positions
and
I'll
go
into
detail.
When
I
present
my
presentation
of
that
of
those
positions,
one
of
the
22
positions
that
we
froze
was
a
position
that
was
vacated
or
soon
to
be
vacated
by
a
person
who's,
an
accelerated
contract
to
retirement.
D
And
miss
mr
chair
counselor
vehicle
coupler.
If
I
may,
there
are,
or
were
three
assistant
fire
chief
positions.
There
are
just
two
police
chief
positions,
so
it
puts
them
at
more
parity
there'd
be
two
and
two.
L
Mr
chair
counselor
of
the
hill
coupler,
that
is
correct.
So
currently
I
have
three
assistant
chief
positions.
One
is
a
assistant
chief
of
operations.
The
second
one
is
assistant
chief
of
support
and
the
third.
With
the
assistant
chief
of
my
ems
division,
my
amos
division
assistant
chief
isn't
going
to
be
on
accelerated
contract,
effective
july
28th
and
off
the
books
of
april
of
next
year.
So
that
is
a
position
that
we
are
going
from
to
freeze
and
then
we'll
go
down
to
a
two
assistant
chief
model:
one
of
operations,
one
of
the
support.
K
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
The
next
question
I
have
is
with
regard
to
the
new
the
qualifications
for
the
new
head
of
this
department
and
because
you
know
the
the
biggest
thing
is,
of
course,
fire
police
in
law
enforcement.
You
have,
you
know,
concealed,
carry
and
all
that
and
then
in
the
fire
side
you
have
paramedics
and
you
know,
of
course,
regular
firefighters.
K
You
have
inspections
and
you
have
different
qualifications
for
those
people
as
well
as
fire,
and
then,
of
course,
when
you
build
in
emergency
management
and
and
those
have
various
qualifications,
what
kind
of
qualifications
will
well,
this
salary
comes
out
to
130
2080
without
benefits
or
thereabouts.
So
what
kind
of
qualifications
are
you
looking
for?
M
M
Go
ahead:
bernadette
councillor
hill
poplar
that
that's
those
are
good
questions,
so
I
think,
as
far
as
the
qualifications
it
as
you
have
outlined,
it
would
be
really
difficult
to
find
someone
who
is
maybe
an
emt
or
a
paramedic
and
also
holds
a
law
enforcement
certification,
all
of
the
those
certifications
all
wrapped
into
one
person.
So
looking
for
someone
who
has
a
public
public
safety
public
health
background,
there
are
a
lot
of
other
local
governments
who
have
this
structure.
M
So
we
would
also
look
to
best
practice
with
the
job
description
which
has
not
been
developed
yet,
but
we
would
be
looking
looking
at
those
resources
to
help
shape
what
that
will
look
like.
K
And
so
I
imagine,
the
the
education
certifications,
whatever
those
are
and
the
years
of
service
in
in
their
backgrounds
would
count
and
would
be
at
least
equal
or
greater
than
police
and
fire.
M
I
guess
I
don't
understand
your
question
greater
than,
but
then
the
fire,
the
fire
chief
and
police
chief.
Do
you
mean.
K
Yes,
because
those
are
the
people
you
know
in
order
to
get
that
high
of
a
range.
Those
are
the
people
that
that
you
would
have
to
compare
to
in
terms
of
establishing
compensation.
K
You
already
know
these
kinds
of
things,
so
I
won't
belabor
that,
but
I
I
think
that
certainly
I'll
be
interested,
maybe
other
counselors
will
about
what
kind
of
qualifications
will
be
set
for
this
position
and
and
where
advertising
would
occur,
to
get
to
get
someone
that
is
equal
to
the
pay
pay
ban,
that
they're
going
to
be
in
I'll
move
on
one
other
thing
as
counselor
lindell
was
asking
for
as
far
as
department,
heads
and
and
such
I,
I
just
want
to
remind
the
committee
that
yesterday
I
did
ask
for
a
a
trailing
of
these
positions,
all
within
city
government,
to
match
up
with
all
of
the
new
people
in
the
new
departments
and
where
those
where
those
positions
came
from,
what
ranges
they
were.
K
What
will
the
new
ranges
be
and
just
follow
on
through
the
budgets
and
not
only
those
that
are
applicable
to
the
new
departments
or
divisions,
but
also
just
overall
by
department,
as
we've
been
reviewing
this
budget
that
we
have
identified
number
of
employees
in
each
number
and
job
titles
in
each
particular
budget?
We
had
some.
K
We
had
that
last
year
to
some
degree
we
somewhat
had
it
the
year
before,
but
it's
imperative
with
70
percent
of
the
employee
wages
and
benefits
70
of
our
budget
comprises
that
and
I
think
it's
important
information
to
have
so
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
group,
since
councillor
lindell
also
brought
a
specific
type
of
information
that
she
wants
to
see.
I
think
it
all
in
a
nutshell
would
be
very
helpful,
and
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
N
Thank
you,
mr
chair
councillors,
the
community
service
department
budget
for
fiscal
year
21,
and
may
I
ask
him
I
to
share
thank
you-
reflects
our
mission
to
serve
the
residents
of
santa
fe
with
their
their
needs
for
health,
well-being
and
high
quality
of
life.
As
you
know,
our
mission
is
directed
to
all
residents
of
santa
fe,
but
especially
those
that
are
most
in
the
most
vulnerable
and,
in
some
cases,
historically
underserved
people
with
a
goal
to
get
them
the
support
they
need
to
lead
their
best
lives.
N
So
we
have
three
main
divisions
within
community
services
currently,
as
well
as
last
year
when
we
received
sort
of
oversight
of
the
office
of
the
public
defender,
and
my
work
has
substantially
been
with
my
team
to
really
align
our
divisions
to
really
look
at
an
underlying
strategy
of
social,
addressing
social
determinants
of
health,
both
in
our
direct
services,
which
we
have
substantial
direct
services,
as
well
as
in
our
indirect
services.
The
contracts
that
we
on
the
grants
that
we
release
into
the
community,
primarily
through
the
youth
and
family
services
division.
N
N
000.,
and
we
don't
we'll
get
into
some
of
the
detail
around.
Why
that
is,
of
course,
like
the
other
departments,
that
you've
heard
from
there'll
be
a
15
furlough
for
myself,
a
10
furlough
for
everyone
else
until
september,
and
then
very
very
fortunately,
no
pay
cuts
and
no
layoffs.
N
We
have
the
administrative
division,
which
consists
of
myself
kent
young,
my
office
manager,
michelle
gurule,
our
administrative
assistant
at
0.85,
and
what
we
do
is
essentially
support
the
divisions
under
us,
as
well
as
really
unifying
our
mission
around
spearheading
community
engagement
and
identifying.
What
really
are
the
needs?
How
do
we
best
respond
to
ensure
high
quality
of
life?
Again,
as
I
mentioned
up
front,
the
public
defender
david
thomas
joined
our
department
in
fiscal
year
19..
N
N
We
also
don't
see
a
substantial
change
in
our
supplies
and
insurance,
although
it
looks
like
it.
That's
really
due
to
the
fact
that
david
thomas,
the
public
defender
joined,
and
so
we
see
a
slight
increase
where
we
brought
over
his
expenses,
which
had
not
been
done
in
fiscal
year
19
into
our
department.
The
biggest
change,
of
course,
you'll
see,
is
in
contractuals
and
utilities
on
that
addition
of
758
000
was
made
substantially
to
respond
to
the
potential
for
the
new
department,
the
community
health
and
safety
department.
N
As
you
know,
there'll
be
a
task
force
recommending
how
to
unify
the
missions
across
our
existing
departments,
which
will
become
divisions
and
any
recommendations
that
come
out
of
that
task
force
rather
wait
until
a
new
budget
cycle.
Those
contractual
that
contractual
funding
would
allow
us
to
respond
to
the
task
force's
recommendations,
whether
it's
that
we
need
to
have
more
social
workers
going
out
with
police
and
fire
on
calls.
N
Perhaps
more
case
management
to
you
know,
divert
people
from
judicial
involvement,
perhaps
more
investment
in
prevention
programs,
and
so
that
is
really
to
be
determined
in
terms
of
its
use
and
substantially
directed
by
the
new
the
task
force
and
their
their
recommendations.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
kira
for
being
here
just
quick
question.
So
the
new
task
force,
which
task
force
does
the
task
force
have
a
name?
Is
this
the
one
that
counselor
via
real
and
counselor
rivera?
Are
our
chair
co-chairing
or
is
there?
Is
there
another
one
contemplated.
N
O
Fyi
and
then,
when
you
so
when
you
say
that
that
contractual
services
line
item
has
the
758
000
and
the
kinds
of
things
that
you
contemplate,
that
the
new
department
might
need
are
case:
managers,
social
workers,
prevention,
investments.
Your
thing
so
we're
thinking
that
we're
contracting
for
that.
We
may
be
contracting
for
that,
rather
than
bringing
case
managers
or
social
workers
as
employees
of
the
city
government
directly.
N
That's
correct
and
as
an
example,
the
fire
department
and
chief
babcock
can
speak
to
those
currently
contracts
with
the
social
worker
for
their
mijo
program.
So
that's
one
possible
model
to
replicate
on
the
effective
work
that
that
person
does
with
the
team.
N
But
again
it's
a
little
open
to
determination
based
on
the
results
of
the
task
force.
I
think
what
it
does
is.
Essentially
I
mean
I
have
lots
of
ideas
for
it,
of
course,
but
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
be
the
one
who
determines
all
the
uses.
We've
put
forward
proposals,
as
you
know,
for
navigators
to
serve
in
the
connect
program
that
might
help
at
municipal
court
in
terms
of
getting
people
you
know
into
services,
so
that
there's
less
recidivism,
less
less
jail
time.
That's
one
idea!
N
We
may
need
consultants
who
will
help
us
develop
policies
for
the
new
department.
So
that's
another
potential.
You
know
use
of
the
funds,
it's
a
little
bit
open
to
determination
and
it's
not
necessarily
my
determination.
O
Right
so
it
it
just
gets
us
started
as
you
as
I
think
you
said
so.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
A
Okay,
councilwoman
lindell.
H
Thank
you
chair,
thank
you,
mr
cho,
for
this
budget
and
for
the
work
that
you've
done
in
the
last
year.
I
know
that
the
way
things
changed
a
lot
was
put
on
your
plate
and
I
appreciate
your
response
to
it,
but
on
that
general
fund,
contractuals
and
utilities,
I
mean
we're
looking
at
a
1265
percent
increase
here
and
we
had
to
have
put
some
numbers
in
to
have
come
up
with
that
number
and
it
it
may
be
that
you
didn't
come
up
with
that
number.
H
But
somehow
somebody
came
up
with
an
idea
of
what
they
were
going
to
need
to
have
come
up
with
what
is
a
three-quarter
of
a
million
dollar
change.
So
I
think
we
need
some
real
specifics
on
that
and
what
we're
looking
at
we're
we're
being
asked
to
approve
something
that
we
have
no
idea
what
it
is,
and
I
I'm
not.
H
I
don't
think
that
that's
on
you,
but
somebody
needs
to
explain
what
it
is,
because
it's
a
lot
of
money.
N
Mr
chair
counselor,
lindell
I'll
defer
to
this
manager
and
the
mayor
on
that
question.
E
Well,
let
me
say
a
few
things
we
heard
earlier
from
members
of
the
committee
that
they're
very
eager
to
see
budgets
integrated
and
programs
innovated
around
this
new
idea.
That's
what
this
fund
permits.
E
We
don't
have
a
plan
for
the
cre,
the
department
because
it
hasn't
been
created
yet
and,
as
councilwoman
virial
pointed
out,
we
haven't
even
technically
approved
the
task
force,
although
I'm
very
hopeful
that
both
of
those
will
will
be
created
and
that
they'll
act
almost
as
integrated
elements
that
the
work
of
defining
the
creation
of
the
department
and
ways
to
integrate
the
budgets
and
the
activities
will
be
one
of
the
products
that
the
task
force
should
be
performed
would
begin
to
identify.
E
Obviously,
if
they're
contracts
they'll
have
to
come
to
the
council
for
approval
and
you'll
see
them
as
they
emerge,
but
it
strikes
me
that
we're
we're
embracing
a
new
path
forward
on
public
health
and
public
safety,
and
in
order
to
make
that
real
in
year
one
we
need
the
flexibility
and
the
agility
and
the
capability
to
have
funds
in
a
place
where
they
can
be
utilized,
as
a
new
department
begins
to
shape,
take
shape
so
that
experiments
integrating
services
and
bringing
people
on
as
new
resources
who
currently
don't
exist
in
any
of
the
individual
departments
that
can
take
place.
E
So
that's
what
this
is.
It's
a
it's,
a
anticipation
of
exactly
the
kind
of
integration
and
program,
cross-departmental
programming
that
the
members
of
the
committee
who
spoke
up
previously
all
expressed
an
interest
in
wanting
to
see
happen
rather
than
waiting
for
a
whole
nother
budget
year.
This
gives
us
the
flexibility
to
be
able
to
try
some
things
in
this
budget.
H
So
at
this
point
in
time
does
are
we
still
under
emergency
situation,
where
the
city
manager
has
the
ability
to
sign
contracts
up
to
two
hundred.
P
Chairman
abeyta,
I
can
answer
that
question.
This
is
aaron
mccherry.
Thank
you,
aaron,
chairman
of
beta
council
lindelof.
This
is
for
the
pendency
of
the
declared
emergency,
I
believe
at
the
state
level,
but
I
can
double
check
that
real,
quick
and
the,
but
both
the
state
and
the
local
emergency
orders
are
still
in
effect
right
now.
H
Trying
to
get
different
departments
to
work
together,
and
you
know
the
idea
that
the
police
are
asked
to
be
social
workers
and
that's
not
their
training,
that's
not
their
expertise,
and
it's
probably
not
what
they
want
to
be
doing
so
doing.
These
contracts
is
probably
a
good
thing,
but
it
just
seems
like
it's
very,
very
hard
to
approve
this
without
having
a
little
bit
more
information
of
how
we
came
up
with
these
numbers.
H
H
F
Okay,
councilwoman
villarreal.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
on
that
same
point
that
counselor
lindell
brought
up.
I'm
not
opposed
to
adding
contractuals
you
had
mentioned
so
social
workers
case
managers
diversion
support.
However,
I'm
not
quite
understanding
how
it
all
gets
chunked
into
community
services,
and
it's
not
spread
out
in
the
various
departments
in
police
and
fire
and
one
in
particular
fire
because
of
the
mijo
program.
F
N
N
You
know,
I
will
say
that
if,
if
we're
looking
at,
for
example,
a
model
of
social
workers
accompanying
police
on
calls
we're
going
to
need
a
sizable
number
of
of
social
workers
to
do
that,
so
if
this
ends
up
being
approved
and
if
it
ends
up
being
used
for
that
purpose,
I
don't
think
I.
I
actually
think
that
that
758
000,
you
know,
could
go
all
to
that
quite
quickly.
N
If
that's
the
the
determined
use,
I
think
that
a
contractual,
a
decent
contractual
position
for
a
social
worker
level
would
be
something
like
in
the
neighborhood
of
120
to
130
000
a
year.
So
I
let
chief
babcock
answer
the
question
about
the
social
worker
and
fire.
L
Thank
you
kara,
mr
chair
council
verily.
So
currently
we
do
have
a
social
worker
under
contract.
Her
name
is
nicole
holt.
She
is
overseeing
our
mijo
program
as
our
opiate
outreach,
as
well
as
our
thrive
program.
She
is
mostly
funded
by
a
doj
grant
that
expires
this
fiscal
year
in
september
30th.
So
we
will.
L
We
are
looking
for,
as
we
have
a
medical
director
to
oversee
our
protocols
and
our
paramedic
licensure
we're
looking
to
contract
with
a
medical,
behavioral
health
director
to
oversee
all
the
programs
as
including
this
alternative
response
that
has
been
referenced
with
a
police
officer,
a
firefighter
paramedic
as
well
as
a
case
manager.
We
will
be
utilizing
case
management
that
are
part
of
the
thrive
program,
as
well
as
the
opiate
outreach.
L
But
what
we
do
not
want
to
do
is
steal
from
peter
to
pay
paul,
and
then
those
programs
suffer
the
consequence
because
they
are
part
of
the
response
team.
So
we
are
looking
at
a
overall
behavioral
health,
medical
director,
as
well
as
case
management,
to
be
on
this
alternative
response
unit,
where
we
have
three
skill,
sets
a
social
worker
law
enforcement
and
medical
clearance
to
provide
appropriate
services
to
the
type
of
calls
that
they
should
be
responding
to
behavioral
health
overdoses,
opiates,
addictions
and
just
mental
illness.
L
We
keep
sending
the
wrong
resources
and
that's
why
we
believe
myself,
kira
and
chief
padilla
of
having
the
three
skill
sets
in
one
unit
that
way
we
could
either
take
them
in
the
hospital,
if
that's
their
need,
take
them
to
jail,
if
that's
the
need
or
provide
them
social
services,
if
that's
their
needs.
So
that
is
the
the
model
that
we
are
trying
to
bring
forth,
and
this
model
has
been
very
successful
with
the
colorado
springs
fire
department
and
that's
the
model
that
we
are
trying
to
move
forward
with.
F
Thanks
chief
for
that
clarity,
I
I
guess
I'm
just
trying
to
understand-
is
that
still
in
your
budget,
then
for
that
social
worker
and
I
know
we'll
get
into
fire
when
we
get
there.
But
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
if
mrs
ochoa's
but
budget
takes
all
of
those
the
social
work
aspects
and
put
has
to
put
in
her
budget
and
then
all
of
you
keep
the
remaining
staff
levels
that
you
have
for
the
more
traditional.
L
So,
mr
chair
counselor,
via
rail,
so
in
my
budget,
when
I
do
present,
I
do
have
a
budget
funded
for
case
management,
case
manager,
a
partial
case
manager,
as
well
as
behavioral
health
medical
direction.
So
I
do
have
and
I'll
explain
the
numbers
when
I
present,
of
what
those
costs
are
for
each
position
as
well
as
as
kira
stated
it's
going
to
take
more
than
one
social
worker
or
case
manager
to
providing
those
response.
If
one
case
manager
is
off
for
the
day
or
calls
in
sick,
then
that
unit
can
respond.
L
F
I
agree
so
that's
why
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
where
they're
dispersed
and
if
each
department
is
taking
on
that
role,
given
that
they
want
to
continue
or
think
about
a
different
way
to
structure
our
departments.
For
the
mr
choi,
did
you
say
for
salaries?
The
bump
in
that
line
item
was
only
a
vacancy
savings.
N
Chairman
councilwoman
via
yes,
no
one
is
getting
a
raise
in
the
department,
this
division.
This
is
because
I
might
have
to
defer
to
kent
young
here
my
admin
manager
or
miss
mccoy.
My
understanding
is
that
in
fiscal
year,
21,
the
way
that
vacancies
are
being
budgeted
is
different
than
it
was
in
fiscal
year
20,
and
so
that
eight
percent
variance
is
really
due
to
that
difference
in
in
the
way
that
vacancy
savings
is
being
budgeted.
F
Correct
you
keep
telling
us
about
vacancy
savings.
Maybe
someday
you'll
we'll
have
a
training
on
what
vacancy
savings
actually
means
to
the
overall
like
city,
because
we
have
them
in
each
department
and
not
all.
I
think
some
departments
have
them
and
others
don't,
but
I
I
think
I'm
just
calling
them
placeholders,
but
maybe
that's
not
the
right
term
to
use.
F
N
Of
beta
councilman
bial,
we
have
actually
3.85
positions,
3.85,
ftes
and
admin,
so
that
is
myself.
My
administrative
manager,
michelle
gurule
at
.85
admin,
admin
assistant
and
our
public
defender.
L
F
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
so
if
each
division,
when
they
present,
they
could
tell
us
how
many
current
staff
they
have
that
are
filled
and
those
that
will
remain
vacant
and
for,
I
think
for
our
finance
department.
F
If
you
could
just
explain
to
me-
because
I
know
we
see
this
in
each
of
our
each
of
the
budgets
for
each
department,
we
talk
about
other
operating
costs
and
I
appreciate
the
chart
of
accounts
that
you
broke
that
down
for
us
what
what
that
entails,
but
I'm
just
curious
how
I'm
just
looking
at
community
services,
I
was
comparing
the
departments
and
divisions
within
community
services,
fire,
police
and
emergency
management
I
wanted
to.
I
saw
the
numbers
jump
pretty
drastically
in
terms
of
other
operating
costs.
F
In
this
case
it's
a
negative,
it's
a
reduction
of
71
percent,
and
then,
when
you
look
at
other
departments,
division
excuse
me
they
fluctuate
pretty
heavily
like
library.
Services
is
like
114
percent
increase,
so
there's
some
that
are
decreases
and
some
that
are
in
increases.
So
how
did
finance
determine
those
operating
costs?
What
were
the
what's?
The
criteria
for
each
of
the
operating
costs.
I
Mr
chairman,
counselor
I'll,
let
andy
go
into
some
level
of
detail,
but
as
if
you
can
open
up
the
chart
of
accounts
or
at
your
you
know,
convenience.
If
you
can
review
the
crosswalk
that
I
sent
between
other
operating
costs
and
all
of
the
different
line
items
that
make
up
that
category,
you
can
see
it's
a
variety
of
different
expenses.
I
So
with
that
you
know
it's
not
just
one
answer
to
what
is
making
a
particular
department
increase
or
division
increase
or
decrease.
I
think
there
is
one
commonality
throughout
each
of
the
divisions
and
that's
what
I'm
going
to
ask
andy
to
speak
to,
which
is
services
of
other
departments.
J
Yes,
mr
chair
counselor,
via
real,
my
boss,
just
took
the
words
right
out
of
my
mouth.
There
are
actually
quite
a
few
disparate
things
in
other
operating
costs,
which
is
kind
of
why
it
has
that
catch-all
name.
J
It
includes
everything
from
travel
and
training
to
publication
and
printing
costs
to
advertising,
to
inventory,
exempt
equipment
and
furniture,
things
that
are
small
equipment,
valued
at
less
than
five
thousand
dollars
per
item.
J
So
there
there
really
is
quite
a
large
variety
of
things
in
here,
and
you
know
it
just
depends
on
the
department,
like
you
know,
in
the
case
of,
for
example,
utility
billing
you'll
see
much
higher
printing
and
postage
type
costs
because,
of
course,
they
have
to
pay
for
the
printing
and
postage
of
bills
where,
whereas
in
community
services,
you
might
only
see
you
know
stuff
for
promotional
events,
so
it's
a
much
smaller
number.
J
But
what
you
know,
one
of
the
components
of
course
of
other
operating
costs
is
the
services
of
other
city
departments,
which
in
general,
is
virtually
all
all
like.
City
entities
are
charged
some
services
of
other
city
departments.
What
that
is,
is
what
we
call
internal
service
charges.
Those
are
for
things
like
fleet
and
I.t,
hr
and
payroll
that
wouldn't
need
to
exist
if
there
weren't
other
city
departments
providing
services
that
need
support
in
those
areas.
J
So
you
know
if
we
didn't
have
a
parks
department,
a
police
department,
a
public
works
department.
All
these
other
things.
There
would
be
no
need
for
internal
services
because
there
would
be
no,
you
know
audience
support,
but
those
are
services
that
are
really
focused
on
supporting
other
city
departments
in
their
activities
and
in
this
case,
community
services,
because
we
are
talking
about
areas
that
are
predominantly
funded
by
the
general
fund.
J
The
only
charges
you'll
see
there
in
services
for
other
city
departments
are
for
fleet
and
it
costs
which
are
allocated
out
on
based
on
a
variety
of
formulas,
for
example,
number
of
vehicles
that
they
that
they
have
and
maintain
that
fleet
maintains
for
them
and
the
age
and
condition
of
those
vehicles.
The
type
of
vehicle,
sometimes
factors
into
it,
because
you
know
some
vehicles
are
more
expensive
to
fix
than
others.
F
That's
super
helpful,
thank
you
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
because
each
division
is
very
different
and
I
just
I'm
trying
to
understand.
I
thought
it
was
based
on
a
number
of
steps
and
it
might
be-
maybe
that's
the
component
of
it.
But
you
know:
community
service
is
not
it's
a
reduction.
Yet
when
you
go
to
library
services,
they
had
an
increase
of
114
percent
and
senior
services
had
a
percentage
of
100
and
161
percent
increase,
and
then
you
go
down
to
police
and
they
have
a
negative
28
percent.
I
Yes,
we
can.
Each
department
does
have
that
detail
that
they
can
review
with
you
for
all
of
the
very
different
expenses
that
are
rolled
up
into
that
other
operating
cost.
I
would
hear,
and.
N
Provide
that
information
chairman
councilwoman
bial
we
have
about
in
this
line
item
it
prev
in
previous
budget
year.
All
of
the
divisions,
services
to
other
departments
appeared
in
admin,
and
so
this
is
actually
a
better
reflection
of
what's
really
going
on
in
our
department
on
this
year,
thanks
to
finance
and
for
doing
it.
This
way,
my
understanding
from
kent
is
that
in
this
year
we
have
about
two.
We
had
about
204
000
in
services
to
other
departments,
about
a
hundred
thousand.
N
Q
That
is
correct.
You
know.
99
of
this
budget,
for
the
fy
21
year
is
just
services
to
other
departments
and
the
reason
it
went
down
so
significantly
is
because
it
was
previously
meant
to
cover
the
services
for
library,
the
services
for
senior
services
and
those
same
services
for
youth
and
family.
F
Thank
you,
kent.
That
was
very
helpful
and
then
one
more
question
for
this
section
for
contractuals
for
the
community
development
fund.
N
It
said,
thank
you,
chairman,
councilwoman
b,
all
that's
a
grant,
that's
our
americorps
planning
grant
in
this
previous
year
and
what
we
anticipate
receiving
from
americorps
in
the
21
budget,
which
we
will
know
in
october
or
november,
and
that
number
may
fluctuate,
depending
on
the
amount
of
the
grant.
But
that's
100
percent
grant
got
it.
Oh
is,
is.
F
N
Because
it
doubled
from
the
20
budget,
where
it
was
35
to
70.,
but
again
I
I
should
caution
the
council
that
this
number
would
likely
change
in
our
current
budget.
It's
kind
of
it's
a
project,
a
projected
budget
amount
and
I
can
defer
to
mary
on
how
finance
actually
came
up
with
that.
F
N
N
None
of
it
comes
from
general
fund.
It's
all
americorps
grant
got.
R
N
Okay,
so
just
so,
we
understand
what
that
is,
for
we've
been
planning
how
to
bring
in
americorps,
which
are
you
know,
paid
interns
to
the
community
services
department,
who
would
serve
as
ambassadors?
That
would
really
enhance
the
connect
program
and
help
the
case
managers
or
navigators
in
the
connect
program.
These
could
be
people
that
you
know
in
better
times.
We
hope
we'll
be
able
to
be
in
our
parks
similar
to
park
rangers.
You
know
helping
direct
people
to
into
community
services
as
needed
and
enhancing
the
connect
program.
F
I,
like
your
thinking,
director
ochoa,
and
I
also
believe
americorps
is-
doesn't
pay
enough
for
the
amount
of
work
that
people
do
in
the
americorps
program
and
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
say
that
your
budget
could
actually
hire
people
full
time
to
do
the
connect,
integration
and
and
support
for
our
community
members.
So
that's
where
I'd
like
aspirationally
to
lead
us
into
in
the
next
budget
year.
Thank.
N
F
A
Wait
wait,
there's
there's
still
questions.
I'm.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Counselor
material
did
cover
quite
a
bit
of
of
what
I
wanted
to
ask
about,
so
thank
you
counselor.
I
did
I
I'm
ex.
I
think
I
have
similar
concerns
regarding
the
contracts
for
the
social
workers
being
solely
in
community
services,
and
it's
it's
more.
The
concern
that
I
don't
want
community
services
to
bear
the
financial
brunt
of
potential
changes
as
we
are
looking
at
policing
and
public
safety.
G
You
know,
as
I
mentioned
before,
I
believe
that
there's
there's
two
prongs
to
this
approach:
there's
how
we
respond
to
public
safety
issues,
but
also
how
we
prevent.
So
this
is
not
necessarily
a.
I
want
this
money
here
and
it's
it's
also
that
I
also
want
money
in
other
places,
and
I
know
that
we
are
all
in
a
place
where
we
wish
we
had
more
money
in
a
lot
of
places,
but
in
terms
of
looking
at
how
this
comes
together.
For
me,
that's
really
important.
G
We've
heard
from
fire
in
some
of
the
areas
that
they
are
also
contributing
to
these
changes.
So
this
is
something
that,
when
we
get
to
police,
I
will
also
want
to
be
seeing
to
make
sure
that
these
pieces
are
going
really
across
the
board.
G
The
other
piece
in
general,
I
would
charge
of
of
community
services
of
finances,
as
we
think
about
what
this
year
really
looks
like
and,
as
we
know,
it's
going
to
be
a
volatile
year.
G
I
think
community
services
is
one
of
the
departments
where
we
are
going
to
have
a
really
great
need,
based
on
the
extraordinary
place
that
we
are
at
with
the
pandemic,
and
one
thing
that
I
know
that
I
have
I've
spoken
about
is
this
idea
of
if
money,
if
morning,
more
money
does
come
in
that
we
need
to
have
a
plan
for
opportunities,
and
so
one
thing
that
I
really
want
to
be
aware
of
with
our
community
services
budget
is
how
we
are
keeping
a
grasp
pulse
on
what
is
happening
in
the
community,
which
I
know,
connect
really
helps
us
with
that
and
looking
at
how
we,
if
we
have
the
opportunity
and
if
we
have
the
potential,
how
we
are
able
to
to
address
that
through
which
resources,
whether
that's
that's
contracts,
which
is
my
guess,
is
where
we
will
have
to
be
looking.
G
I
suppose
that's
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question.
Mr
cho,
I
don't
know
if
that
is
something
that
you
have
a
you
know,
plan
in
place
for
or
I
know
that
right
now,
we've
been
in
a.
How
do
we
get
through
this
budget
as
opposed
to
what
happens
if
we
actually
get
more
money.
N
Chairman
of
beta
councilwoman
cassette
sanchez,
I
would
say
that
you
touch
on
a
very
important
theme,
which
is
community
engagement
and,
of
course,
the
part
of
the
reason
for
the
new
department
is
to
ensure
that
people
who
may
have
not
received
the
kinds
of
services
that
they
need,
whether
it's
from
community
services,
fire
or
public
police
can
have
a
voice
in
in
what
they
actually
need
and
how
that
can
be
better,
that
they
might
be
able
to
be
better
served.
N
So
you
know
one
of
the
contracts
might
be
a
community
engagement
contract
to
kind
of
design,
a
process
to
get
more
community
voice
involved.
So
I
didn't
want
to
leave
that
off
the
table
when
we
talked
about
social
workers
as
one
possibility
for
the
contractual
services.
N
This
is
probably
getting
us
a
little
off
topic,
but
I
will
say
that
you
know
we
are
looking
at
the
cares,
act,
money
and
sort
of
planning,
major
categories
of
use.
For
that-
and
you
know,
one
of
them
is
definitely
to
potentially
infuse
the
connect
program
and
the
emergency
funds
that
we've
been
able
to
push
out
into
the
community.
N
Thanks
to
the
council's
vote,
that
gave
us
a
lot
of
flexible
funds
for
people
to
stay
housed,
get
access
to
food,
get
computer
internet
access
when
they
didn't
have
it
before
things
like
that.
So
that
is
a
use
that
I
think
in
this
coming
year
of
any
additional
funds
that
can
be
brought
in.
We
will
definitely
have.
G
Sure
thank
you
for
that.
I
really,
I
really
do
appreciate
that
and
I
look
forward
to
also
hearing
from
the
other
potential
divisions
in
this
potential
department
about
where,
where
are
they
looking
for
those
intersections
and
abilities
to
support
those
missions.
A
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Miss
ochoa.
I
wanted
to
ask
about,
and
I'm
not
clear
in
your
contractual
services
budget
here,
administrative
and
public
defender
is
this:
where
drug
and
alcohol
rehabilitation
money
is
or
is
that
somewhere
else.
N
N
Although
this
could
be
for
that
right,
if
that
is
a
determined
need
under
the
new
direction
and
by
the
task
force,
this
758
could
pivot
to
supplementing
that,
because
we
could
certainly
use
more
for
that
purpose.
K
Okay,
I
also
wanted
to
ask
about
the
public
defender
mission,
it's
odd,
that
it
is
housed
in
this
moment
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
because
you
know
ordinarily,
you
know
we
have
pros
prosecution
in
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
think
there's
someone
there
behind
to
that
and
then
we
have
and
that's
a
higher
level
up
department
and
then
with
execution.
K
K
If
you
look
at
even
the
state
of
new
mexico,
where
the
public
defender
and
the
attorney
general's
office
is
or
if
you
look
any
anywhere,
I
mean
it's,
it
has
equal
footing
and
I'm
I'm
concerned
that
the
defendants-
maybe
not
to
your
credit
or
discredit,
but
maybe
the
defendant's
real,
getting
equal
attention,
equal
stature
and
and
I'm
just
feeling
like
they
might
be
shortchanged,
and
I
don't
know
I
I
think
there
could
be
a
better
place
for
the
public
defender.
K
N
Chairman
counselor
vietnam,
koppler
I'll
I'll
admit
that
when
city
manager
litzenberg
placed
the
public
defender
in
my
department,
when
I
first
came
on
board,
I
was
a
little
puzzled.
It
was
explained
to
me
that
you
know
there's
a
conflict
of
interest
and
city
attorney.
Mcsherry
can
talk
to
this,
for
the
public
defender
obviously
can't
be
within
the
same
office
as
the
as
the
as
the
prosecuting
side.
N
So
at
first
I
it
was
puzzling
and
I
don't
have
a
legal
background,
so
I
didn't
feel
you
know
really
qualified
to
to
supervise
that
person
on
that
level.
Actually,
it's
proven
to
be
really
to
make
quite
a
lot
of
sense,
because
the
the
clients
that
the
public
defender
serves
are
so
many
of
the
clients
served
through
other
divisions,
especially
the
youth
and
family
services
division.
N
You
know
people
who
are
struggling
with
alcoholism,
for
example,
for
the
dwi
programs,
people
that
may
be
homeless
in
homeless
court,
so
there's
actually
been
quite
a
lot
of
integration
in
terms
of
my
understanding
of
what
people
are
experiencing
in
municipal
court
and
how
again
the
people
that
really
need
sort
of
advocacy
and
support
can
get
it
through
the
public
defenders
positioning
in
in
the
community
services
department,
in
terms
of
you
know
the
sort
of
stature
of
that
office.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
I
can
speak
to
that.
N
I
can
see
what
you're
saying
you
know,
there's
one
public
defender
and
I
think
he
serves
about
300
clients
a
year.
Currently
it's
worked
pretty
well
and
it's
given
me
a
real
insight
into
you
know,
sort
of
the
array
of
services
and
it
actually
certainly
makes
sense
within
this
new
department.
N
It
informs
a
lot
of
what
needs
to
happen
in
terms
of
you
know,
diversion,
and
I
know
that
you
know
the
chad
chittim,
who
is
the
court's
administrator,
now
judge
v
hill
and
the
public
defender
and
I
and
on
homeless
court
and
what
that
should
look
like
in
other
diversion
programs.
So
I've
I've
learned
a
lot
from
supervising
mr
thomas,
but
and
he
does
have
outside
part
of
that
contractual
services
as
outside
support
for
legal
advice
that
he
may
need
to
get
from
other
lawyers.
K
Before
we
go
there,
it
occurred
to
me,
though,
that
now
with
this
reorganization,
where
you
have
the
police
department
under
the
same
umbrella-
and
I
hear
your
points
about
being
supportive
with
the
programs
you
offer,
but
now
we
have
very
people
who
charge
or
arrest
these
defendants
in
the
same
department
me
there's
not
enough
arm's
length,
then
I
think
it's
a
conflict
right
now.
I
it
may
not
be
today's
world
as
we
sit
with
our
organizational
chart,
but
it
will
be
in
the
future.
K
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
tremendous
conflict,
the
same
conflict
that
would
arise
should
we
house
it
in
the
attorney's
office
and
I'm
wondering
if
it
wouldn't
be
housed
more
appropriately
at
municipal,
I
think,
the
lesser
of
all
conflicts,
but
but
there's
no
perfect
place
except
an
office
on
its
own,
as
we
have
in
state
government
and
in
other
areas,
so
I'll
yield
the
floor.
Mr
chair,
I
I
think
this
needs
to
be.
We
need
to
take
another
look
at
this.
It
it
with
this
new
department.
A
Thank
you,
councillor
rivera.
T
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
in
listening
all
this
discussion,
my
questions
for
the
mayor
or
the
city
manager,
but
was
there
any
thought,
put
into
really
moving
mijo
thrive
and
potentially
other
services
into
a
new
separate
division
from
both
fire
police
and
community
service
still
under
the
same
umbrella,
but
just
a
separate
division.
D
Mr
chair
council
rivera
thank
you
for
the
question.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
scenarios
that
make
a
lot
of
sense.
This
again,
as
we
mentioned
early
on,
was
phase
one
starting
to
put
the
put
the
big
pieces
together,
and
then
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
synergy
amongst
programs
whether
it
should
become
that
level
of
program
should
become
a
yet
another
new
division
or
be
housed
in
a
in
a
one
division.
I
think
that's
the
level
of
operational
details
we
need
to
do.
D
Should
this
proposal
get
passed,
we
we
sort
of,
took
it
this
far
again,
also
recognizing
the
need
for
a
director
and
leadership
who
is
who
has
a
background
in
these
areas
to
really
be
able
to
build
out
the
right
level
of
organization.
So
that
was
the
theory
of
why
we
represented
up
to
a
certain
point.
T
Okay,
thanks
because
from
hearing
the
discussion
again
having
social
services
under
community
or
yeah
under
community
services,
paramedic
under
fire,
a
police
officer
under
police,
they
may
all
stay
in
in
their
own
divisions,
but
having
probably
a
separate
mission
and
directive
is
probably
going
to
be
appropriate,
so
just
wanted
to
see
what
the
thinking
was
behind
there.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
D
Absolutely,
and
if
I
may,
mr
chair
counselor,
I
think
it
goes
to
the
concept
of
you
know:
response
and
prevention
there's
a
whole
world
in
which
you
could
build
out
based
on
those
different
categories.
So
I
think
you're
absolutely
right
and
I
think
it's
for
us
to
continue
to.
E
E
You
know,
councilor
casa
sanchez
made
a
absolutely
critical
and
and
totally
accurate
remark,
which
is
we're
living
in
very
volatile
times
in
terms
of
just
how
quickly
the
the
public
health
scene
is
changing
and
with
it
our
need
to
respond
to
it,
not
only
as
far
as
a
narrow
definition
of
public
health,
around
people
who
are
suddenly
finding
themselves
victims
of
covid19,
but
the
the
broader
sense
of
the
public
determinants
of
health.
As
we
hold
our
breath
and
see
federal
assistance
for
people
coming
to
an
end.
E
E
E
It
might
not
until
much
later,
but
we
do
know
that
the
area
of
community
services
is
a
critical
area
not
only
for
redefining
this
department
that
councillor
rivera
just
asked
about,
and-
and
I'm
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
the
task
force
that
he
and
councilwoman
virial
would
head
up
assuming
the
council,
approves
it
beginning
to
scope
out
issues
of
not
only
better
coordination
within
the
departments
that
we're
talking
about
bringing
together
under
a
single
roof,
but
also
more
outreach
and
more
anticipation
of
public
issues
around
health
and
safety.
E
E
We
really
are
taking
big
leaps
with
this
community
services
team
into
public
and
human
service
at
a
time
when
it
couldn't
be
more
important
and
the
flexibility
and
the
capability
to
respond
to
uncertain
times,
both
externally
and
then
internally
and
building
more
response
capability.
That
is
coordinated.
E
Really
is
reflected
in
that
line
item
that
counselor
lindell
drew
attention
to,
and
that's
where
we're
looking
for
flexibility,
resilience,
adaptability
and
and
guidance
on
where
the
priorities
are
both
internally,
but
also
externally,
as
we
watch
these
crises
of
public
health
and
public
finance,
public
economics
collide
in
santa
fe,
so
I
think
these
are
really
important
times
to
be
looking
at
the
community
services
department
to
provide
flexible
and
adaptable
responses.
A
Chair,
thank
you
mayor.
I
think
we
can
move
on
then
to
the
specifics
for
the
library
services
division.
Thank.
N
You,
mr
chair,
I've
been
asked
to
talk
about
library
services
and
have
director
tucker
stand
for
questions
on
any
details.
I
think
the
mayor's
point
about
flexibility
is
incredibly
embodied
by
the
library,
especially
at
this
time.
As
you
know,
they've
responded
incredibly
to
to
this
crisis,
with
programming
with
curbside
delivery,
etc.
I
will
point
out
that
there
are
54.
N
Positions
in
the
libraries
normally
right
now
there
are
45
filled
positions
and
they
are
vacant.
Nine
positions
that
that
translates
to
eight
ftes
and
those
positions
are
substantially
branch
manager,
positions,
supervisory
positions
and
their
their
key
positions.
N
N
We're
looking
at
repairs
and
maintenance,
we're
hoping
that
facilities
can
help
help
us
with
that,
since
we've
got
a
reduction
in
anything
slated
for
that,
and
then
you
know,
we
see
an
overall
reduction
in
the
general
fund
of
11
in
the
libraries
I'm
sorry,
I
misspoke
the
wages
and
benefits
are
actually
found
for
everything,
but
the
south
side,
library
in
the
fund,
251
salaries,
wages
and
benefits.
So
we
see
also
a
reduction
in
our
operating
costs.
N
That's
you
know
some
of
the
major
expenses
that
maria
can
talk
about
and
how
that's
gonna
affect
things
and
then
an
overall
reduction
of
eight
percent
in
the
library
budget
and
I'll,
allow
I'll
defer
to
maria
and
we'll
stand
for
questions.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Just
a
couple
questions
about
those
vacancies,
specifically
the
branch
managers.
So
I
know
I
understand
that
some
therein,
you
all
were
in
the
process
of
hiring
the
branch
managers
even
offer
letters
were
given
and
then
the
pandemic
kit
and
and
subsequently
then
those
positions
were
frozen.
F
So
I'm
wondering
if-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
really
a
question-
you
all
should
answer
versus
either
hr
really
kind
of
moving
forward
with
that,
like
I
understand
that
there'll
be
some
positions
frozen.
F
However,
I'm
wondering
if
we
would
allow
for
internal
promotions
to
those
vacant
positions
so
that
we
actually
have
supervisors
for
the
staff
that
are
currently
being
that
are
currently
working,
because
I
don't
think
it's
okay,
that
we
have
different
libraries
that
have
staff
trying
to
do
the
work
that
they
need
to
do
and
not
have
supervisors,
I'm
not
sure
if
hr
would
be
alright.
N
Chairman,
a
beta
councilwoman
b,
I'll
just
mention
that
actually
three
of
the
four
positions
that
were
supervisory-
that
we
were,
I
made
offered
letters
on,
were
internal
promotions.
That's
good!
So
is
there
just
one
that
crap
the
south
side
library
branch
manager
position
was
an
external
hire
and
then
there
are
a
numerous
librarian
positions,
which
is
the
next
level
after
branch
manager
that
we're
gonna
be
what
that
will
be.
F
We
we
had
planned
on
hiring
somebody
and
then
the
pandemic
hit,
and
so
are
you
all
trying
to
do
internal
promotions
for
that
position?
Are
you
still
wanting
to
keep
that
position
that
if
there's
funding
sources
that
come
about
that
you'd
be
able
to
hire
somebody.
N
J
N
To
and
weren't
able
to
complete
so
if
there
is
additional
opportunity
to
unfreeze
and
and
identify
funding
for
that
position,
we
welcome
that
right
now,
director
sanchez
tucker
is
essentially
the
main
supervisor
for
the
entire
library
system.
R
And
it
is
my
hope
that
we
can
do
some
internal
restructuring
to
be
able
to
fill
those
leadership
positions
so
that
we
can
do
the
important
work
that
we
need
to
do
make
the
changes
and
safety
protocols
and
procedures
to
adapt
our
primary
services
at
this
time.
So
I'm
hoping
that
that
is
a
possibility.
R
I
also
did
apply
for
a
major
federal
institute
of
museum
and
library
services
grant
for
over
200
thousand
dollars,
we'll
hear
about
that
in
august,
and
that
was
primarily
to
support
staff
funding,
knowing
that
we
were
in
this
budget
crisis.
So
I'm
hopeful
that
we
make
some
supplemental
fun
funding
that
grant
does
come
through.
F
Yes,
I
I
hope
that
that's
the
case,
although
we
shouldn't
be
having
city
departments,
have
to
apply
for
grants
in
order
to
maintain
our
staff.
So
I'm
hoping
that
when,
if
things
shift
for
our
with
the
budget
with
our
economy,
that
we
can
look
at
those
because
I
see
libraries
as
essential
services
as
well-
so
maybe
at
this
time,
since
I'm
really
stuck
on
those
other
operating
costs,
line,
items
for
every
single
department
and
division.
If
finance
can
explain
or
or
even
staff.
N
Chairman
councilwoman
bieter
all
deferred
at
kempty
young,
on
that
he
has
the
detail.
Thank
you.
Q
J
Sorry
about
that
I
was
muted,
mr
chair
counselor,
via
real
in
the
case
of
all
departments,
itt
and
fleet
costs
are
apportioned
based
on
the
current
budget
proposal,
so
in
other
words
they're,
unlike
the
general
fund
services
in
which
we
apportion
actual
costs
in
the
following
fiscal
year
for
itt
and
fleet,
because
they
are
true,
full
internal
service
funds,
meaning
that
their
ins
and
outs
are
designed
to
be
equal
for
any
given
year
for
the
budget
we
apportion
the
their
costs
of
their
budget
based
on
two
factors.
J
First,
is
in
the
case
of
it.
If
there
are
any
software
items-
or
you
know,
specialty
hardware,
items
that
make
itt
maintains
for
them
that
is
attributable
to
only
one
division
such
as,
for
example,
the
example
I
always
use
is
the
ride
match
software
in
transit.
That's
entirely
focused
on
the
transit
function,
so
the
costs
of
that
software,
that
is
maintained
by
itt
and
the
contracts
for
the
services
and
everything
associated
with
it,
are
maintained
by
it.
Then
they
charge
transit
directly
for
that
entire
cost.
J
N
J
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
specifics
for
library
services,
but
the
software
aspect
is
probably
the
larger
chunk
among
some
other
smaller
pieces.
Okay
and
the
other
thing
I
had
thanks
andy.
The
other
question
I
had
was
about
the
library
fund.
What
is
the
source
of
revenue
for
this
fund
on
the
budget?
We
see
chairman.
F
J
Kara,
I
can
feel
that
if
you
like
on
251,
because
it
was
when
the
southside
library
was
created,
it
was
built
partially
with
grant
funding.
It
was
put
into
a
special
revenue
fund,
but
if
revenue
source
was
never
specifically
associated
with
the
library,
the
new,
the
southwest
library,
except
for
you
know
what
the
small
amount
of
revenue
they
generate
through
their
own
activities,
so
that
fund
has
always
been
supported
by
the
general
fund
in
the
form
of
a
transfer
out.
F
J
J
We
try
not
to
shift
things
around
between.
You
know
old
funds
and
new
funds
too
much
just
because
of
continuity
issues,
and
also
you
know
it's.
It
tends
to
grow
the
chart
of
accounts
that
that
led
us
to
the
problem
we
had
in
the
former
financial
system,
where
we
just
had
an
unwieldy,
huge
chart
of
accounts
that
was
very
difficult
for
anybody
to
grasp.
Even
the
using
departments,
even.
F
Sometimes,
okay,
that
helps
somewhat.
A
G
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
you
know
one.
One
of
the
themes
we've
been
talking
about
is:
where
are
the
pain
points
going
to
be
with
this
budget,
and
so
I
I
would
really
be
interested
in
hearing
what
this
budget
is
going
to
allow
in
terms
of
services
to
the
community,
both
in
a
covid,
restricted
world
and
then
also,
if
health
orders
start
to
change.
What
is
really
going
to
be
capable
with
the
current
budget.
N
N
N
Given
the
current
staffing
is
a
question.
Frankly,
if
we
are
able
to
open
given
the
safety
needs
of
the
you
know
patrons
and
the
staff,
I
think
we
will
be
challenged
to
do
so
at
full
hours
and
full
days.
But
maria,
would
you
like
to
take
that
one
as
well
sure.
R
Thank
you,
kira
council,
chairman
obeyta
and
counselor
kasoot
sanchez,
so
this
budget,
you
know
we're
grateful
that
our
funding
for
library
materials
is
restored
and
we'll
be
able
to
move
forward.
Hopefully
we'll
be
able
to
work
with
our
vacancies
and
restore
library
services,
as
we
can
planning
ahead
through
changes
in
the
healthcare.
R
But
how
else
can
we
help
with
the
digital
divide
and
where
patrons
need
assistance
most
with
searching
for
jobs,
literacy
and
training,
and
also
parents
and
schools
are
going
to
need
so
much
support
right
now,
so
those
are
really
going
to
be
our
primary
focus
as
we
move
forward
with
planning
for
adding
in
phase
services,
and
so
we're
really
going
to
look
at
some
data
driven
planning
for
how
we
purchase
our
materials.
What
are
what
do
our
patrons
need
most?
G
Thank
you
so
much
for
that,
and
really
thank
you
for
this.
The
amount
of
innovation
that
you've
been
able
to
put
in
with
such
a
restricted.
You
know
with
restrictions
with
staffing
with
budgets
with
hours.
It's
greatly
appreciated,
and
I
think
that
there
are
some
things
that
that
can
be
carried
into
the
future.
I
know
that
bilingual
books
and
babies
on
youtube
is
a
huge
hit
with
the
community
who
utilizes
that
service.
G
So
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
that,
and
and
thank
your
team
for
all
the
work
that
they've
put
in
and
the
fact
that
you're
still
serving
just
as
many
people
with
these
changes
is
really
impressive.
So
thank
you
so
much.
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
as
we
progress
into
the
year.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
senior
services.
N
Thank
you,
chair
senior
services
budget,
actually,
thankfully,
is
is
substantially
the
same,
slightly
increased,
and
so
we
are
fortunate
in
that
regard.
N
That
said,
we
like
it
as
in
libraries,
had
identified
a
need
for
supervisory
positions
that
we
won't
with
this
current
budget,
be
able
to
hire
in
transportation
and
the
other
realms,
of
course,
senior
services
and
under
director
rinaldi's
vision
and
leadership
has
been
able
to
respond
to
coven
19,
really
nimbly,
with
essential
services
to
the
home
bound,
as
well
as
to
people
who
no
longer
come
for
congregate
meals.
N
As
you
know,
the
entire
staff
has
been
retooled
into
team,
a
team
b
team
c
to
support
meals
on
wheels
in
a
safe,
safe
way
and
transportation,
essential
transportation
to
medical
services,
and,
in
addition,
the
youth
specialist
staff
have
joined
in
to
help,
and
so
the
biggest
difference
you'll
see
in
this
budget.
N
So
we
could
potentially
contract
with
a
senior
navigator
case
manager,
which
we
had
been
granted
in
previous
budgets,
but
had
and
were
about
to
hire,
but
couldn't
some
flexible
funding,
for
example,
to
you
know,
identify
families
that
needs
extra
support
and
hire
contractors
to
to
do
that
kind
of
in-home
support
as
one
example
of
how
those
contractual
services
could
be
used
that
that
comes
from
again
a
grant
from
from
aaa
from
the
aging
carry
on
aging,
and
I
think
that's
the
major
change
you'll
see
at
the
bottom.
N
The
senior
recreation
leagues
is
actually
the
senior
olympics
and
I
think
andy
can
answer
any
specific
questions
about
this.
It
is
not
being
held
obviously
currently,
but
the
senior
olympics
programs
raise
their
own
funds,
and
so,
if
they
do
raise
funds
and
if
they're
held
that
budget
would
be
increased,
but
it's
essentially
a
a
a
grant.
Not
a
grant
but
a
its
own
revenue
source
that
may
increase,
and
if
it's
able
to
be
offered-
and
I
with
that
I'll
stand
for
questions,
as
will
director
rinaldi.
F
J
In
the
general
fund,
the
transfers
out
represents
the
city's
match
to
senior
grant
programs.
The
various
senior
senior
citizen
grants,
such
as
you
know,
the
title:
three
grants,
the
home
delivery
of
meals
and
I'll
I'll.
J
Let
seniors
expand
more
on
the
various
aspects
of
of
the
program
that
they
do,
but
each
of
those
grants
requires
a
city
match
and
because,
in
many
cases
it
ends
up
being
an
over
match,
because
in
many
cases
the
grants
have
not
kept
up
with,
for
example,
things
like
salaries
and
benefits,
and
so
the
city
for
almost
as
long
as
I've
been
here
has
really.
H
J
Matched
those
grants
gone
beyond
the
the
minimum
requirement,
just
because
the
minimum
required
of
the
match
is
based
on
the
overall
grant
and
the
grants
have
not
really
kept
place
with
inflation
or
the
cost
of
delivering
services.
J
Yes,
I
believe
fleet
is
the
the
larger
share
of
costs
here,
although
of
course
there
are
it
costs
as
well,
because
every
division,
you
know
uses
computers,
uses
phones,
so
you
know
there's
a.
There
is
a
aspect
of
both
here.
A
Okay,
councillor
rivera.
A
There,
okay,
any
other
questions
regarding
senior
services.
U
Yes,
60
of
our
staff
and
we
have
four
vacancies.
N
N
Sorry,
it's
we
have
50
staff
because
it's
currently
filled
and
for
as
director
and
all
the
accurately
said
vacant
we
have
an
office
assistant,
a
senior
services
driver
and
a
senior
services
navigator,
as
well
as
a
transit
driver.
Three
better
vacant.
F
N
We
had
also
been
looking
at
and
made
new
budget
proposals
for
again
program
managers,
which
is
a
key
need
in
the
senior
services
department.
So,
as
we
look
at,
if
there's
any
flexibility
is
over
the
coming
months,
that
would
also
be
a
priority
to
look
at
reclassing
folks,
so
that
we
can
provide
again
greater
supervisory
support,
which
is
more
needed
than
ever
for
safety
and
coveted
times.
A
Okay,
one
last
chance
for
councillor
rivera
hand,
bud.
T
All
right,
sorry,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
miss
ochoa
with
regards
to
senior
services
and
probably
all
your
divisions
should
we
be
expecting
or
anticipating
less
money
from
grants
in
the
upcoming
fiscal
year.
Have
we
heard
anything
about
that.
N
Chairman
of
beta
councillor
rivera
in
general,
we
hope
if,
since
the
new
grants,
division's
been
approved
and
financed,
that
we
would
actually
see
more
generally
in
grants.
Although
state
grants,
we
have
gone
down
and
you'll
see
that
in
youth
family
services
last
year,
and
we
may
go
down
again
on
our
cyfd
grant
I'll
defer
to
director
rinaldi
to
talk
about
what
he's,
anticipating
from
our
state,
grant
from
the
aging
network.
U
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Councillor
rivera
our
our
state
grants
and
it's
a
it's.
A
bundling
of
state
and
federal
dollar
that
comes
to
us.
We've
seen
a
small
increase,
so
that's
been
a
positive
thing
with
the
the
we
have
several
different
grants
with
what
is
called
the
title
three
and
then
we've
seen
a
little
bit
of
a
decrease
in
one
of
our
federal
nutrition
grants.
U
We
also
are
being
told
that
we
we
should
be
seeing
some
some
of
the
cares
act,
money
being
made
available
to
us
and
and
whatnot,
but
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
mean
with
with
aging
it's
I
have
the
state
and
I
have
what
is
known
as
the
area
agency
in
aging.
Those
two
sources
are
always
looking
for
additional
revenues
for
the
providers,
and
so
sometimes
it
comes
in
in
and
then
other
times
at
the
middle
of
the
year.
U
When
the
legislature
starts
doing
their
thing,
there's
a
realization
that
they're
going
to
start
having
to
cut,
and
so
then
they
also
do
that
opposite
dance
with
us.
So
right
now,
I'm
feeling
fairly
positive,
considering
the
economic
situation
that
the
state
is
in
as
well,
but
we're
we're
we're
optimistic.
We've
always
been
optimistic
since
day,
one
and
so
we'll
we'll
keep
that.
So,
hopefully
that
answers
your
question.
T
It
does
it
also
concerns
me
moving
forward
with
the
shortfalls
that
the
state
is
anticipating.
So
you
know,
as
soon
as
you
have
information,
please
pass
it
along
quickly
to
the
governing
body.
N
Thank
you,
chair
in
youth
and
family.
Our
biggest
change
that
you'll
see
is
in
the
again
the
salaries,
wages
and
benefits
in
terms
of
youth
and
families.
We
have
10.15
filled
positions,
we
have
two
vacant
positions
and
that's
a
program
manager
for
the
after
school
and
summer
program,
which
would
have
been
approved
previously
and
was
advertised
as
well
as
the
division
director
position,
there's
a
little
comp,
the
complexity
there.
In
that
we
did.
We
have
an
interim.
N
Whom
we
offered
the
division
director
position,
and
I
think
that
there's
not
a
budget
increase
actually
in
in
granting
that
title,
so
that
title
may
change,
but
essentially
those
are
the
two
vacant
positions.
N
You'll
see
two,
the
very
large
change
in
our
recreation
program,
salaries,
wages
and
benefits
which,
when
you
analyze
that
it
actually
breaks
down
into
the
temporary
budget
for
summer
staff,
normally
in
our
summer
program,
our
eight-week
program,
which
serves
over
a
thousand
children
most
of
them
low-income,
very
raise
reasonable
rates,
give
some
food
recreation
etc,
and
we
also
are
able
to
hire
a
lot
of
young
people
to
work
to
work
in
that
program.
As
youth
specialists,
we
hire
normally
about
90
people.
N
This
would
cut
that
budget
significantly
in
in
half
pretty
much
and
kent
can
explain
why
it's
half,
even
though
it's
only
169
thousand
dollar
cut
there,
so
that
will
require
us
to
really
retool
and
rethink
that
program.
We're
of
course
hustling
to
get
grant
funding
for
that
program,
potentially
through
cyfd
21st
century
learning,
ped
or
we
may
need
to
retool
so
that
those
are
contracts
out
into
the
community
or
vouchers
for
families
to
use.
N
Other
programs,
that's
going
to
require
a
lot
of
vision
and
retooling
and,
of
course,
responsibility
to
the
current
state
of
play
with
covid.
So
those
are
the
biggest
changes
to
our
budget.
We,
thankfully
very
thankfully,
were
able
to
maintain
the
human
services
contracts
and
the
children
youth
commission
funding
which
go
a
long
way
to
helping
in
prevention.
N
F
F
Sorry,
I
was
on
mute,
just
disappointed
to
hear
that
our
you
know.
We
know
that
summer
programs
didn't
work
because
of
covet
or
didn't
weren't
able
to
be
held,
but
into
the
future
when
things
shift,
I,
like
your
thinking,
director,
ochoa
about
vouchers
for
community
members
and
other
ways
to
provide
program,
support
again.
Here's
another
example
of
your
department
having
to
find
grants
outside
grants
in
order
to
support
city
services
and
that's
a
sticking
point
for
me
continuously,
as
we
think
about
budgets
and
community
health
and
safety.
F
This
is
a
big
piece
because
we're
thinking
about
how
youth
are
being
supported
during
this
time
and
I
don't
feel
like
they
are
and
so
yep.
This
is
just
another
disappointment
because
now
we're
not
when
we're
thinking
holistically.
This
isn't
a
piece
that's
put
into
the
puzzle,
and
I
know
your
staff
is
thinking
that
way.
But
it's
just
disappointing
to
hear
that
the
only
question
I
had
on
this
was
the
there's:
a
fund
223
called
law
enforcement.
F
What
was
that
fund?
Maybe
andy,
can
answer
that
or
director
ochoa.
N
Chairman
councilwoman,
I
will
defer
to
andy
on
that.
Oh
I'm,
sorry.
I
know
what
that
is.
That's
chairman,
councilwoman
villarreal,
that
is
actually
the
cyfd
grant,
and
that
is
for
the
regional
juvenile
justice
work,
and
that
was
that
now
comes
through
the
children,
youth
commission,
for
programs
that
keep
youth
out
of
the
judicial
system.
J
Well,
it's
it's
pretty
much
as
kent
explained
it,
because
community
services
admin
used
to
cover
the
entire
costs
of
the
department
and
this
year
in
the
interest
of
better
cost.
You
know
a
clearer
cost
picture.
It
would
spread
out
to
the
various
divisions.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
you
know
I
I
get
once
again,
echo
council,
gator
elsa
sentiments
about
concerns
about
the
summer
program.
I'm
curious
how
many
children
we
on
average
serve
for
the
summer
program.
N
G
That's
a
that's
a
large
number
of
children,
so
thank
you
for
thinking
about
other
ways
that
we
potentially
could
continue
to
provide
those
services.
I
know,
especially
when
we
think
about
working
parents
over
the
summer.
So
again,
this
is
that
piece
where
it's
not
just
these
kids
going
to
camp,
but
we
think
about
the
general
economy
and
health
of
our
community
and
how
that
impacts
our
city,
how
that
impacts
our
our
city
budget.
G
N
Chairman
councillor
casa
sanchez,
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
my
incredible
adaptive
staff,
who
are
not
only
you
know,
staffing,
the
midtown,
shelter
out
of
youth
and
family
services
and
senior
services,
but
are
coming
together
to
put
together
kits
that
go
out
during
the
food
distribution
at
the
schools.
They're
kind
of
steam
based
kits
the
police
and
fire
department
have
helped
as
well
to
you
know,
provide
supplies
for
those
kits
they're,
really
thinking
creatively
how
to
keep
serving
families.
N
We're
in
conversations,
as
I
mentioned
before,
with
the
schools
even
over.
We
serve
150
kids
generally
in
our
after-school
program
throughout
the
year,
but
the
schools
have
reached
out
to
us
for
their
kind
of
essential
staff
and
their
children
and
what
we
might
be
able
to
do
for
them
in
this
school
year.
So
we're
starting
conversations
about
that
as
well.
T
N
T
All
right
and
I'll
remind
everyone
that
the
survey
the
city
did
senior
services
and
youth
were
something
that
I
think
the
general
public
wanted
to
keep
funded
as
much
as
possible.
So
thank
you.
Miss
ochoa
for
all
your.
V
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair
cara.
I
I
do
want
to
commend
you
and
your
staff,
because
everything
that
happens
in
your
department
really
has
an
impact
on.
You
know
a
lot
of
our
underserved
community
and
those
who
need
help
and
when
they
get
that
help,
it
really
makes
a
difference
for
our
city
and-
and
I
think
it
multiplies
into
you-
know,
bigger
and
better
things.
So
I
applaud
everything
that
you're
doing
mike.
K
My
question
is
is
related
to
the
question
I
asked
earlier
and
I'll
and
I'll
ask
it
more
specifically,
and
you
said
the
treatment
and
rehabilitation,
contractual
services
or
even
grant
money
would
come
out
of
this
youth
and
family
services
division.
So
can
you
explain
how
much
money
is
devoted
to
that
and
what
does
it
go
toward.
N
Chairman
counselor
v
hill
copler
in
the
community
development.
J
N
Item
you
see
the
funding
that
comes
through
human
services
in
that
is
a
portion
of
our
grt
in
human
services.
I
believe
it's
two
percent
of
our
grt
is
devoted
to
safety,
net
service
contracts
for
children,
youth
and
children.
Youth,
commission,
that's
three
percent
of
the
grt
and
that
actually
is
you'll,
see
the
children,
youth
commission,
funding
in
256
recreation
programs,
that's
1.3
million
the
human
services
is
1.08,
and
so
what
happens
is
that's
the
connect
program?
N
Counselor,
that's
where
we,
those
commissions
and
committees,
review
proposals
and
make
recommendations
for
agencies
like
lifelink,
the
shelter,
santa
fe
recovery
center,
and
so
a
portion
of
that
will
go
toward
rehabilitation
and
behavioral
health
needs,
not
all
of
it,
but
a
substantial
portion
of
it.
I
would
estimate
that
of
that
1.086.
N
We
have
about
three
point:
three
thousand
five
hundred
three
hundred
three
hundred
and
000.
Excuse
me
going
toward
behavioral
health
contracts
and,
depending
on
how
you
define
that.
N
Money
is
also
going
to
prevention,
so
in
the
children,
youth
commission,
recreation
program
line
item
of
1.3,
where
you'll
we're
about
to
come
before
this
body,
with
funding
recommendations
for
for
facilities,
21
and
substantially.
Those
are,
for
you
know,
prevention
programs
through
partners
in
education,
schools,
teen
parent
programs,
and
so
it's
kind
of
dispersed
throughout
with
small
grants
that
we
hope
helps
support
the
ecosystem
of
prevention
programs
and
some
treatment
programs
in
the
community.
N
We
don't
see
you
know
we
might
want
to
look
at
the
balance
of
prevention,
intervention
treatment,
and
all
of
that
I
think
we
see
more
of
that
funding
going
on
the
prevention
intervention
end
than
the
treatment
end.
You
know
and
from
my
experience
at
the
county,
most
of
that
treatment
dollar
comes
through
the
county.
Indigent
fund
that'll
support
people
going
into
treatment
for
30
days
or
90
days.
We
at
the
city
do
more
on
the
other
end
of
the
spectrum
in.
S
K
Yes,
and
and
do
you
have,
do
you
get
reports
or
do
any
follow-up
and
an
evaluation
as
to
whether
this
money
is
making
a
difference?
I
know
anecdotally,
we
know
that
but-
and
I
know
we
had
a
report
not
long
ago,
but
it
was
more
specific.
Do
you
have
anything
you
can
point
your
finger
to.
N
Chairman
counselor
vihil
koppler.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
got
very
excited
about
it
because
I
was
fortunate
to
walk
into
a
project
underway
at
the
community
services
department
in
data
development
and
outcomes
based
funding.
So
we
do
get
quarterly
reports
on
performance
measures
from
every
grantee.
N
We
have
a
wonderful
data
consultant,
aspen
aspen
solutions
which
helps
us
use
the
results-based
accountability
format
to
say
you
know
how
many
people
are
you
serving?
How
how
well
did
you
do
it
and
is
anyone
better
off
and
there's?
There
are
specific
measures
for
public
health
indicators
like
you
know,
suicidality
or
you
know,
on
early
onset
of
marijuana
use
and
all
these
kinds
of
things
that
are
tied
to
public
health
indicators.
N
So
we
actually
have
a
really
robust
way
of
supporting
agencies
to
measure
outcomes
which
not
only
helps
us
know
that
our
funds
are
going
and
impacting
the
community
in
a
positive
way,
but
helps
those
agencies
to
make
a
case
for
other
funders
that
they
are
doing.
You
know
good
work
in
the
community
and
that
there
are
measurable
results.
That's
really
important
to
us
in
the
community
services
department
and
the
connect
project.
N
Essentially
gives
us
a
window
into
the
kinds
of
referrals
that
are
happening
for
clients
as
they
come
into
these
agencies
and
whether
those
referrals
are
being
close,
whether
the
loop
is
being
closed
on
those
and
if
anything
comes
with
it.
So
we
really
do
need
to
tie
these
dollars,
which
you
know,
of
course,
we
all
hope
could
be
even
more
robust
to
outcomes
so
that
we
know
we're
not
just
sort
of
feeling
like
we're
doing
good,
but
we
can
actually
measure
whether
we
are
we
can
work
with
our
grantees.
N
If
we
see
a
problem
which
we,
which
we
do,
we
have
a
great
program
manager
in
julie
sanchez
and
she
she
helps
us
to
do
that.
So
I
I
could
talk
for
a
long
time,
and
I
know
we've
already
gotten
a
little
overtime
on
this,
but
I'm
happy
also
to
provide
you
with
some
of
our
reports
and
the
whole
council.
If
you're
interested.
K
N
Which
center?
That's
this
chairman
council
council
via
ho
koppler,
that
is
the
santa
fe
recovery
center,
that
is
the.
K
N
Chairman
counselor,
that's
being
handled
out
of
economic
development
and
asset
management,
so
we're
in
conversations
about
how
to
ensure
that
they
can
have
a
place
to
be
for
the
time
that
they
need
it.
They're
also
part
of
their
operations,
is
dependent
on
what
the
county
is
able
to
do
with
their
crisis
center,
which
will
also
hold
this
how's
the
sobering
center,
the
detox
center.
N
So
the
timeline's
somewhat
tied
into
that
timeline,
which
I
believe
the
county
is
slated
to
open
that
service
in
december
or
january,
so
a
portion
of
what
they're
doing
can
be
can
be
at
that
building.
But
that's
not
like
I'd
have
to
get
back
to
you.
After
consulting
with
the
economic
development
team
on
where
that
is.
K
Okay,
I
can
also
follow
up,
but
I
appreciate,
if
you
would,
I
think,
there's
some
concern
about
their
ability
to
continue
services
and
when
you
don't
know
for
sure,
where
you're
going
to
be
housed
it,
it
does
create
some
yeah
uncertainty
for
them,
and
I
think
it's
more
difficult
to
work
in
is
in
places
like
that.
It
would
be
great
if
we
could
hammer
down
so
that
there's
some
answers,
because
we
don't
want
to
impact
negatively
the
good
work
that
they're
doing
or
lose
anybody
for
sure.
K
A
I
think,
given
the
task,
that's
ahead
of
us
when
it
comes
to
combining
these
departments,
the
community
response
or
what
the
response
the
community
is
expecting
from
us
as
a
governing
body.
I
think
this
is
a
move
in
the
right
place.
I
also
look
forward
to
the
work
of
the
task
force
under
the
leadership
of
both
councillors
via
rael
and
rivera.
Though
there's
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second
okay?
We
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
any
further
discussion
and
I
have
a
roll
call.
Please.
C
F
Make
sure
whoever
is
supporting
the
screen
sharing
with
the
powerpoint
to
place
it
in
a
full
screen,
so
people
from
they're
watching
on
youtube
can
see
all
of
the
entire
slide
instead
of
the
panel
on
the
left.
A
Yes,
good
call
joe,
I
guess
is
that
something
that
you
control.
I
Mr
chair
counselors,
I
will
work
on
it
here
in
the
next
few
minutes.
L
Mr
chair
members
of
committee,
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
present
to
you,
because
the
fire
department
is
greatly
funded
at
a
high
percentage
of
general
fund
money
and
the
salaries
and
benefits
being
the
majority
of
our
budget.
The
goal
of
the
fire
department
was
to
make
reductions
to
our
budget,
where
staff
did
not
have
to
fill
a
reduction
or
services
weren't
reduced,
so
we
are
able
to
com
complete
our
goal
by
not
having
to
reduce
staff,
layoffs
or
reduced
services.
L
As
I
go
through
the
budget,
I
will
share
where
services
will
actually
have
the
potential
of
being
better
and
the
three
divisions
that
I'll
be
sharing
for
will
be
administrative
support,
services
and
operations.
So
in
the
slide
in
front
of
you
is
fire
operations.
L
This
is
this
is
an
overall
I'm
sorry,
I
think
that's
the
wrong
side.
Mr
aleppo.
L
So,
mr
chair,
this
is
a
slide
that
I'd
like
to
start
sharing
my
information,
my
presentation
with
so
an
initial
salaries,
wages
and
benefits
you're,
going
to
see
a
big
domestic
change
of
negative
1.9
million
dollars.
L
L
F
F
G
If
whoever
is
sharing
the
screen,
I
believe
that
you
don't
have
to
go
into
slideshow
view.
If
we
go
to
the
view
that
we
had
before
there
is
a
scroll
bar
to
the
right
of
the
thumbnail,
you
should
be
able
to
grab
that
pop
it
over
to
the
left
and
I
think
that'll
solve
the.
G
L
L
Thank
you,
mr
lovato,
so
salaries,
wages
and
benefits.
I
was
saying
earlier.
We
see
a
big
difference
of
1.9
million
dollars,
I'll
explain
as
I
go
through
each
divisions.
How
this
is
transparent,
I
mean
how
it
was
transferred.
Excuse
me
to
either
operation
support
or
hiring
freezes
and
positions
that
we
froze
for
this
next
fiscal
year,
contractual
and
utilities
of
the
increase
of
141
000.
L
That
is
due
to
the
fact
of
what
we
were
discussing
earlier
of
contracting:
a
social
worker
director
executive,
hospital's
worker,
a
behavioral
health
director
that
is
at
a
cost
of
about
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
dollars.
L
We
currently
do
have
a
social
worker
director
that
is
doj
grant
funded
that
her
funding
ends
at
the
end
of
september
of
the
federal
fiscal
year,
and
then
we
are
hoping
to
take
on
services
to
continue
behavioral
health
direction
with
our
opiate
outreach,
as
well
as
our
thrive
program,
and
then
this
new
alternative
response
vehicle
that
we're
trying
to
get
up
and
running
the
fifty
thousand
dollars
below
that.
L
That
is
a
reduction
of
repairs
and
maintenance,
repair
and
maintenance
to
buildings
and
structures,
grounds,
furnitures
fixtures
and
equipment
and
maintenance
to
machinery
and
equipment.
A
lot
of
this
stuff
that
I'm
reducing
I'm
kind
of
a
buffer.
L
L
Some
of
this
stuff
that
we're
reducing
and
different
general
fun
lineups,
I'm
able
to
buffer
the
state
fire
fund
money.
So,
as
I
stated
earlier
in
my
in
my
introduction,
the
effect
of
our
reductions
are
going
to
be
felt
at
the
administrative
level
services.
The
public
will
not
see
a
difference
in
the
service
we're
providing.
L
So
as
I
go
down
to
the
190
000
that
is
basically
to
cover
uniforms
for
our
fire
personnel
safety
supplies,
ambulance,
medical
equipment,
office
supplies
and
auto
parts.
Again,
it
sounds
like
it's
a
big
jump
of
a
reduction,
but
the
only
reason
I
was
approving
this
as
we
bring
it
forward
to
you
for
a
final
approval
is
because
I
do
have
a
buffer
with
state
firefight
money
to
make
up
these
differences.
J
Oh,
that's
that
the
insurance
costs
are
based
on
assessments,
they're
they're
for
insurance.
So
that's
why
you
see
them
in
insurance
and
not
in
other
operating
costs,
but
that's
for
the
general
liability
fleet
and
physical
damage
and
building
and
contents
liability
costs
that
are
apportioned
to
all
city
departments
based
on
a
variety
of
factors.
L
And
then
other
operating
costs
has
been
stated
throughout.
The
departments
that
they
presented
is
a
cost
to
other
other
departments
and
services.
The
hundred
forty
thousand
dollars
for
capital
outlay.
This
is
equipment
that
we
purchase
one
time
cost
expenses
for
our
fleet
mechanic.
These
are
truck
lifts,
tire
exchange,
tire
repair,
machinery
and
heavy
equipment
machinery
that
we
had
a
one-time
cost
for
the
last
year.
L
Earlier
when
kira
was
presenting
council
councilwoman
casa
sanchez
made
some
very
good
points
that
I
want
to
emphasize
with
the
fire
department
and
how
we're
going
to
move
forward.
We
are
looking
at
ems
3.0.
That
is
a
model
where
we
have
prevention
and
urgent
response
and
then
emergency
response.
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
attack
the
prevention
response
and
we
try
to
get
people
into
services
and
into
programs
before
we
becomes
an
emergent
response
or
even
an
urgent
response.
L
So,
as
a
fire
department,
we
are
currently
starting
a
program
with
street
outreach
where
we're
going
into
encampments
and
trying
to
get
people
into
services.
So,
as
I
go
into
the
next
divisions
of
excuse
me,
operations
and
support
I'll,
explain
again
the
1.9
million
dollars
and
for
the
current
one
of
the
administration
division
I'll
stand
for.
A
Questions:
okay,
counselor
rivera.
T
Thank
you,
mr
chair
chief
babcock,
you
mentioned
something
about
the
social
services
contract
ending
in
september.
Do
we
anticipate
getting
that
money
back
again
or
are
we
gonna
fund
it
through
the.
L
City
budget,
mr
chair
council,
rivera:
we
are
not
anticipating
getting
that
refunded,
we
have
applied
for
a
grant,
but
we
will
not
have
that
answer
prior
to
the
end
of
this
doj
grant
money.
Currently,
that
position
is
a
quarterly
funded
by
the
county,
and
the
city
would
pick
up
the
difference
with
that
hundred
forty.
One
thousand
now
keep
in
mind
that
hundred
forty
one
thousand
dollars
isn't
for
a
total
salary
of
a
behavioral
health
director.
It
would
also
include
behavioral
health
direction
as
well
as
case
management.
So
what
you
answer
your
question
question
directly.
L
We
have
applied
for
a
grant
to
replace
that
funding
source,
but
we
will
not
know
until
after
this
doj
grant
has
expired.
So
we
are
trying
to
not
fall
behind
the
eight
ball
and
have
this
funding
source
hard
funded
before
we
lose
those
services.
T
All
right
and
then
explain
to
me
the
difference
between
a
medical
health
director
and
then
a
medical
health
provider.
L
So
the
medical
health
director
that
we
have
in
the
fire
department-
basically
we
render
under
md's
license
or
do's
license.
We,
our
protocols
for
emergency
response,
are
under
his
direction
and
the
behavioral
health
director
of
behavioral
health
oversight
would
be
dealing
more
with
behavioral
health
issues,
addiction
issues
and
mental
illness.
So
it's
just
basically
a
specialty
that
this
behavioral
health
oversight
will
provide
for
protocol
creation
and
for
our
programs,
such
as
thrive,
opiate
outreach
and
this
alternative
response
vehicle.
L
The
same
mr
chair
comes
rivera,
they're,
actually
different,
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
clarify
that
so
the
medical
behavioral
health
director
oversights
the
program
and
helps
us
create
protocols
and
reviews
are
our
programs
to
make
sure
that
we
are
trained
that
we're
accomplishing
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
case
managers
would
be
the
person
that's
responding
in
a
vehicle
or
out
in
the
street.
L
Currently
we
have
three
case
managers,
one
for
opiate
outreach
and
two
for
thrive,
so
this
case
manager
that
part
of
that
141
thousand
dollar
would
fund
would
be
a
case
manager
that
responds
and
this
alternative
response
vehicle
with
a
fire
department
paramedic
as
well
as
a
police
officer.
So
the
case
manager
does
the
response
industry
and
the
medical
director
of
behavioral
health
is
something
oversees.
The
programs.
T
And
I
assume
that's
required
by
state
or
federal
to
have
an
actual
md
to
kind
of
oversee
the
program.
L
Mr
chair
council,
revere-
I
don't
know
if
it's
actually
a
state
mandate.
I
just
know
that,
because
we
don't
have
the
expertise
or
the
knowledge
base
at
that
level
internally,
that
we
don't
want
to
make
sure
that
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
what
we're
investing
to
make
a
difference
to
community
that
we
are
going
in
the
right
direction
and
not
just
trying
to
create
this.
As
we
move
the
program.
V
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
What
what
was
the
number
of
staff
or
positions
filled
for
administration
and
what
were
the
vacancies.
L
Mr
chair
councilwoman
verrell,
our
ft
account
for
administration
is
six.
We
will
drop
down
to
five
because
I
do
have
the
assistant
chief
position,
that
is
an
accelera,
an
acceleration
contract
and
we'll
get
off
the
I'll,
be
off
the
books
and
march
or
april.
So
we
will
go
from
an
ft
county
administration
from
six
down
to
five.
F
L
Yeah
so
there's
a
two
two
things:
that
reduction
is
a
light
on.
We
were
having
people
paid
throughout
the
department
in
the
wrong
business
unit,
whether
they
were
part
of
the
funding
from
administrative
division
or
paying
people
from
operations
or
from
support
services.
So
the
biggest
reason
for
that
reduction
is
to
align
the
people
in
the
right
divisions,
whether
it
be
operations
or
support
to
be
paid
out
of
the
correct
fund,
and
then
the
difference
of
those
numbers
would
be
the
fte
count
that
are
frozen.
F
Thank
you
and
then
the
contractual
was
what
you
described
in
those
positions
that
council
rivera
brought
up
brought
up.
Is
that
what
the
contractual
is
under.
L
F
T
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
did
forget
to
ask
one
thing:
chief,
you
gave
up
your
assistant
chief
position
to
be
able
to
provide
funding
to
the
new
director
of
this
department.
What
will
that
mean
to
you
long
term,
because
we
know
this
financial
crisis
isn't
going
to
last
forever.
So
what
does
that
mean
to
you
in
future?.
V
L
Mr
chair
council,
rivera
so
with
that
that
position
that
we
initially
froze
was
part
of
the
22
positions
I
mentioned
earlier
to
meet
our
eight
percent
reduction.
What
that's
going
to
mean
to
us
is:
we
are
going
back
to
three
years
ago
model
where
we
have
two
assistant
chiefs.
One
will
be
a
support
in
charge
of
support
services
and
then
the
other
one
will
be
in
charge
of
operations.
L
The
reason
when
I
came
last
year
in
front
of
the
financial
I
actually
the
front
of
the
finance
committee
was
because
we
provide
such
a
large
amount
of
ems
services.
It's
a
it's
a
very
high
rate,
just
off
the
top
of
my
head.
It's
it's
about
70
percent
of
our
call
volume,
and
that
is
the
trend
across
the
nation.
L
So
in
the
past,
and
for
many
years
since
the
fire
department
has
taken
over
ems,
we've
only
had
one
or
two
individuals
provide
all
the
required
responsibilities
and
roles
of
ems
that
includes
contracting
our
medical
director,
contracting
our
pharmacists,
creating
protocols
and
then
purchasing
our
medications.
So
what
I
was
trying
to
do
is
grow
an
ems
division
and
have
supervision
of
a
division.
T
So
this
positions,
your
medical
assistant
chief,
mr
chair
counselor,
that
would
be
correct.
All
right,
lynn,
you're
right,
it
is
a
a
big
part
of.
I
know
what
you
do
on
a
daily
basis.
So
that
does
concern
me
and.
V
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you,
mr
chair
councilwoman,
v
hill
koppler.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
K
So
chief
babcock,
you
recall,
we
went
to
the
legislature
for
and
almost
if
we
hadn't
run
out
of
time,
it
probably
would
have
passed
and
that
is
to
fund
or
to
get
the
pera
law
change,
to
allow
total
contributions
for
firefighters
to
be
credited
for
pera
service
and
that
we
we
testified.
I
testified.
I
know,
councillor
rivera
testified
as
well
to
the
fact
that
we
had
those
budgeted
on
the
city
side
for
contributions.
So
now,
with
these
cuts
on
salary,
wages
and
benefits.
L
Mr
chair
conservative
cop
player,
it
would
be
gone
the
100,
so
let
me
backtrack
again.
You're
absolutely
right.
Fire
department
has
always
funded
a
hundred
percent
of
benefits,
including
pera
contributions
and
because
of
the
way
the
law
is
written,
we
are
only
able
to
we're
not
able
to
to
paid
for
eight
point
three.
Four
percent
of
the
hours
worked
by
our
firefighters,
so
that
eight
point
three
four
percent
is
about
two
hundred
thirty
three
thousand
dollars.
L
We
did
ask
for
that
two
hundred
thirty
three
thousand
dollars
to
be
part
of
our
benefit
reduction
just
for
one
year
as
we
are
anticipating
and
hoping.
We
go
back
into
the
legislature
for
session
that
that
law
is
passed
and
I
we
do
have
a
way
to
make
it
only
a
one-year
time
and
once
that
law
were
to
take
effect,
we
are
able
to
refl
refund
those
contributions.
100,
as
our
firefighters
have
earned.
K
Well,
that's
good
because
I
we
worked
very
hard
on
getting
that
passed.
We
spent
many
hours
and
we
got
a
lot
of
support
and
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
strengths
in
in
our
testimony
was
that
we
could
back
it
up,
and
I
know
the
legislators
were
impressed
with
that
and
even
though
we
ran
out
of
time,
we
got
some
encouragement
to
come
back
this
coming
legislative
season,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
you
know
how
everyone
will
will
feel
about
that.
K
But
I
think
it's
important
to
be
prepared
and
to
know
that
you
know
right
now.
We
don't
have
the
monies,
but
I
guess
actually
waiting
or
actually
using
the
monies
now
and
making
sure
that
we
will
have
to
to
fund
that
in
the
future,
because
these
usually
the
legislative
bills
that
are
passed
and
signed,
don't
take
effect
to
july
1st.
So
that
may
be.
K
The
timing
may
be
okay,
but
I
just
don't
want
to
be
a
come
from
behind
in
terms
of
presenting
at
the
legislature
where
you
know
we
do
get
asked
those
questions
and
I
think
it
shows
a
sign
of
commitment
or
it
did
show
a
sign
of
commitment
from
the
city
to
the
the
when
we
testified
in
the
various
houses
and
senate.
K
It
showed
that
we
had
a
commitment
to
this
and
I-
and
I
hope
that
we
can
still
demonstrate
that,
even
though
you
know
we
kind
of
took
the
money,
but
I
still
see
that
there's
there's
a
way
to
get
this
done.
So
I
appreciate
you
answering
the
question.
L
Mr
chair
accounts
reveal
copper.
Thank
you.
This
is
very
important
to
us,
also
because
I
believe
strongly
that
firefighters,
pra
contributions
need
to
be
fixed
and
prior
to
bringing
the
budget
forth
and
the
budget
that
we
presented
to
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager.
I
met
with
union
leadership
to
make
sure
that
they
were
okay
with
the
budget
I
was
presenting
and
regarding
their
pra
contributions,
because
there
are
certain
revenues
that
I
am
anticipating
that
I
will
be
able
to
collect.
L
K
And
and
then
just
another
point
of
information
to
remind
everyone:
firefighters,
don't
don't
get
social
security
benefits
and
consequently
you
know
we
they
don't
have
other
than
pera
any
other
avenue
other
than,
of
course
deferred
comp,
but
they
don't
get
social
security
benefits
and
it's
kind
of
I
don't
know
it's
a
little
bit
short-sighted,
but
that's
just
the
way
it
is
and
so
getting
full
service
credit
for
the
time
they
put
in
with
the
city
is
important.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
so
support
services.
I
stated
earlier
that
1.9
million
dollars
of
realignment
of
the
pol
274
000
was
for
support
services.
That
was
part
of
the
salaries
that
were
coming
out
of
an
administrative
budget
and
should
have
been
correctly
put
into
support
services,
and
this
again
is
to
just
realign
our
pol
the
33
thousand
dollars.
That's
due
to
not
having
to
have
a
contract
duke
because
we
are
unable
to
have
an
academy
this
next
fiscal
year,
fire
academy.
L
So
that
was
a
contract
that
we
would
do.
We
had
with
our
psychologist
to
do
our
psychological
testing
for
our
cadets
or
our
future
firefighters.
So
that
is
where
that
33
000
reduction
comes
from.
The
157
thousand
dollars
is
again
not
having
academy.
We
are
eliminating
supplies
such
as
bunker
gear
operating
supplies,
safety
equipment
for
them,
ppe,
uniforms,
books.
L
Those
are
all
expenses
that
go
along
with
the
fire
academy
and,
as
I
just
stated,
because
we
are
not
having
a
fire
academy.
Those
are
the
amounts
of
funding
that
we
are.
We
were
able
to
reduce
num
the
other
operating
costs
of
forty
five
thousand.
Two
hundred
dollars
again,
that's
I'm
sorry.
I
jumped
the
line.
The
insurance
stayed
the
same
of
81,
000
999
and
then
other
operating
costs
of
4
500
45,
000
reduction,
I'll
defer
that
to
andy
again.
J
Yes,
chief,
there
are
no
services
of
other
city
departments
charged
here,
so
that
would
be,
I
believe,
that's
probably
your
travel
and
training
budget
and
possibly
some
inventory
equipment.
L
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
clarification,
ms
dropkins
and
then
mr
chair
members
of
committee,
the
119
000,
that
is
for
vehicle
purchases
for
our
miho
and
case
manager
program.
We
purchased
five
vehicles
for
our
case
managers
to
go
out
and
do
a
street
outreach,
as
well
as
our
opioid
case
manager,
and
then
we
have
two
new
ems
captains
that
were
that
will
receive
a
vehicle.
So
the
119
000
was
a
one-time
purchase
this
year.
L
This
curve,
when
I
say
this
year,
fiscal
year,
20
that
won't
move
forward
to
fiscal
year
21
and
that's
the
difference
of
that
119
000,
and
that
is
a
recap
of
our
general
phone
money
as
we
would
you
like
me
to
go
to
221.
Or
would
you
like
me
to
stand
for
questions
mr
chair?
L
One
and
then
we'll
go
to
questions
okay,
two
two
one
again:
this
is
a
reduction
of
grant
that
has
either
will
expire
or
have
run
out
through
the
terms
of
the
grant
money.
L
This
is
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
which
I've
mentioned
earlier
about
our
social
worker
contract
and
then
a
contract
that
we
have
with
a
software
program,
the
company's
name
aspen,
and
they
provide
software
data
collection
for
us
and
then
the
big
one
is
where
you
see
one
million
seven
hundred
eighty
four
thousand
dollars
and
a
two
hundred
eighty
four
thousand
reduction:
that's
our
state
firefly
money,
the
intent
of
that
money
is
to
repair,
replace
large
item
apparatus,
a
million
dollars
just
for
a
ladder,
truck
and
aerial.
L
Looking
at
buying
two
additional
ambulances
to
replace
our
those
prior
approved
years
ago,
fleet
replacement
schedule
and
then
a
tender
a
tender
is
a
water,
carries
it's
a
fire
truck
that
just
carries
large
capacities
of
water,
a
large
quality
quantity
of
water
and
those
are
state
fire
fund
purchases.
L
Just
this
past
friday,
flour
department
was
a
victim
of
a
suspected
arson
fire.
Somebody
lit
one
of
our
brush
truck
fires
that
we
totally
lost
and
the
collateral
damage
by
a
vehicle
or
aerial
truck
parked.
Next
to
we
lost
the
use
of
an
aerial,
and
the
replacement
of
the
aerial
is
gonna
take
months,
if
not
a
year
to
replace.
So
this
money
being
in
our
state
fire
fund
couldn't
be
at
a
better
time
because
we
are
going
to
have
to
replace
vehicles
that
we
lost
to
a
suspected
orson
fire.
A
J
A
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
Chief
councilwoman,
cassette
sanchez.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I'm
so
sorry
that
you
guys
had
that
experience,
and
I
am
very
glad
that
that
funding
is
there.
I
had
a
question
about
the
the
fire
academy
this
year.
Is
that
not
occurring
due
to
finances
or
due
to
health
concerns,
or
both.
L
Mr
chair,
the
counselor
cassette
sanchez,
it's
a
little
bit
of
both
two
things
have
we're
I'm.
I
should
have
said
this
earlier.
We
are
actually
graduating
an
academy
class
of
15
cadet,
firefighters
today
and
tomorrow.
So
we
are
growing
our
ft
count
of
15.
the
academy
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
taking
place
next
year.
That's
due
to
the
lack
of
the
build
of
fire
station
number
two.
L
G
L
Mr
chair
counselor,
cass
essentia,
that's
absolutely
correct.
The
community
will
never
see
a
difference,
even
if
that
station
is
not
built,
because
the
county
city
has
a
mutual
aid
agreement
and
just
like
now,
if
the
city
were
to
run
out
of
apparatus
or
equipment
to
respond,
the
county
would
come
in
or
vice
versa.
The
city
would
go
out
to
the
county
so
with
a
new
cad
upgrade
that
the
city
has
been
just
invested
into
with
recc
right
now,
they're
sending
the
closest
unit
to
the
response
area.
F
Councilwoman
villarreal.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you
chief.
You
had
talked
about
well
first
off.
Can
you
give
me
the
number
of
staff
and
vacancies
for
this
particular
division?
Yes,.
L
and
those
are
all
filled
as
at
this
time
we
have
one
vacancy
and
but
that
vacancy
is
our
fire
marshal
position.
So
what
took
place
is
right
before
colgate
19
we
had
offered
and
filled
that
position
of
our
fire
marshal
once
that
person
started
hearing
about
layoffs
and
furloughs,
they
resigned
and-
and
we
lost
that
position,
so
we
haven't
filled
that
position.
L
Our
plan
is
to,
as
we
have
been
working
with
hr
and
finances
to
fill
our
four
fire
inspectors
and
then
one
of
those
fire
one
of
those
four
of
the
fire
inspectors
will
be
the
acting
role,
the
fire
marshal
until
as
we
come
forth
with
a
budget
process
and
see
if
there's
improvement
in
funding,
that
would
be
one
of
the
positions
I
asked
to
fill
early
on
so
that
one's
not
going
to
be
filled,
even
though
the
fire
marshal
positions
pretty
crucial.
L
That
is
mr
chair,
counselor
vrl.
That
is
correct.
That
position
is
not
budget
at
this
time
being
the
fire
chief,
I
would
be
having
the
authority
of
jurisdiction
and
go
to
the
subject
matter:
expertise
of
my
fire
inspectors
to
make
decisions
and
and
move
forward
with
fire
prevention.
F
So
that's
one
position:
you
said:
if
things
shift
with
the
budget
and
economy,
that
would
be
the
first
change.
Mr
chair
council,
be
real.
That
is
correct.
Okay,
thank
you.
You
talked
about
capital
outlay,
but
there's
two
well.
First
off
the
emergency
services
fund
that
comes
from
a
grant.
You
said.
L
Mr
chair
controversial,
that
is
correct,
so
they
put
some
doj
grant
money
into
our
state
fire
fund
running
two
two
two
one,
and
that
again
is
to
pay
for
our
social
worker
as
well
as
another
company
called
aspen.
F
Okay,
you
said
that
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
which,
if
it
was
a
federal
grant,
it's
doj.
F
Okay
and
the
other
line
item
that
was
capital
outlay.
I
think
you
described
the
one
in
general
fund
or
were
you
referring
to
the
capital
outlay
change?
F
L
One
so,
mr
chair
council
viral,
I'm
sorry
if
I
made
it
confusing
so
on
the
general
fund,
the
capital
outlay,
that
was
to
purchase
the
vehicles
for
our
case
managers
and
niho
and
thrive
and
opiate
outreach,
as
well
as
our
ems
captains,
the
capital
outlay
fund,
two
two
one
that
was
to
that
would
be
to
purchase
the
larger
apparatus
of
state
fire
fund
money,
that's
the
aerial
trucks,
the
tender
and
the
two
new
ambulances,
an
ambulance.
You
said
two
of
them:
yeah,
okay
and
mr
chair
and
counselor
bureau.
L
This
is
just
again
following
the
schedule
replacement
of
units,
the
one
ariel
that
is
in
need
of
replacement.
It
is
already
16
years
of
age
and
then,
with
that
recent
damage
from
the
fire,
definitely
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
kind
of
move
aggressively
on
with
the
state
fire
fund
purchasing
that
vehicle.
F
L
F
And
just
curious
because
it
used
the
training
was
also
on
here
and
I
know
there's
like
regulated
training
that
you
all
have
to
do
and
required
of.
But
I'm
just
curious:
do
you
all
think
about
or
have
done
any
training
that's
more
around
like
emotional
socioeconomic,
socio-cultural
support
and
what
I
mean
is
like
maybe
anti-bias
implicit
bias,
trainings.
L
Mr
chair
comes
from
vrail,
so
it
has
been
a
discussion
and
nothing
more
at
this.
I
can't
say
that
we
have
provided
that
training
is
something
that
we're
looking
to
contract
with.
L
At
this
point,
there
is
some
availability
of
free
counseling
that
police
department
does
have
a
contract
with
that
we
have
utilized
a
couple
of
times,
but
we're
looking
at
more
of
the
escalation
and
like
use
of
the
bias
we
are
investing
into
those
trainings
actually
have
our
ems
from
excuse
me,
our
medical
officer,
looking
at
getting
a
contract
out,
so
we
could
do
the
department-wide
training
for
those
type
of
topics
he
just
mentioned.
A
Okay,
councilwoman
hill
coupler.
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair
chief
babcock,
I
was
you
mentioned
the
the
arson
fire
truck
and
I
think
you
you
mentioned
the
one
being
driven
now
is
if,
and
that
was
going
to
be
my
question
and
I
just
want
to
be
sure,
it's
a
it's
a
trek,
that's
16
years
in
service
and
I
think
it's
at
station
4.
and
is.
Is
it?
Does
it
work
right
I
mean
that's.
I
know
that's
a
lot
of
wear
and
tear
on
that
truck
and
it
and
is
it
safe.
K
I
mean
if
it
goes
to
a
fire
or
wherever
you
all
go,
will
it
do
the
job.
L
Mr
chair
counselor,
via
it's
gonna,
be
hill
coupler.
Yes,
it
is
an
old
truck.
It
is
one
of
the
trucks
that
is
next
to
be
replaced
and
to
answer
your
question,
it
does
work
but
we're
having
to
invest
a
lot
of
money
to
keep
it
working
it's
in
the
shop
quite
often,
or
we
have
a
very
good
daily
checklist
that
our
crews
look
for
issues,
and
it's
not
that
they're.
Looking
for
issues
that
potential
question
can
it
respond
safely.
L
Earlier
in
the
year,
we
had
a
front
wheel,
fall
off
of
that
truck
just
because
of
the
age
and
the
beating
of
these
trucks,
and
that's
why
this
alternative
response
vehicle
would
be
a
big
difference
to
a
certain
type
of
call
volume,
we're
not
sending
these
big
trucks
to
a
man
down
or
a
behavioral
health
type
of
call,
because
these
trucks
take
a
beating
and
you're.
Absolutely
right
that
if
I'm
these
trucks,
this
truck
is
safe,
but
we
are
investing
a
lot
to
keep
it
safe.
K
L
So,
mr
chair
councillor
v
hill,
copper:
yes,
because
it's
number
one,
the
next
truck
to
be
replaced,
and
because
the
agent
and
the
condition
it
is
in
that
we
do
need
to
be
aggressive.
And
when
I
say
we
me
as
the
fire
chief,
it
takes
about
a
year
to
spec
out
a
truck
and
from
a
year
of
speccing
it
and
approvals
and
getting
it
delivered.
L
So
that's
why
I
need
to
move
kind
of
aggressively
on
it
to
get
it
specked
out
and
then
go
through
the
process
for
approval
and
then
getting
the
builder
of
that
truck
awarded
that
that
that
contract
and
then
seeing
it,
get
built
and
then
delivered.
So
that's
why
I
mean
about
aggressively
because
of
time
frame
it
takes
to
get
those
types
of
trucks
delivered.
K
Okay
and
then
my
my
last
question
has
to
do
with
inspections,
and
I
just
want
to
know
your
thoughts
about
keeping
up
with
inspections
of
short-term
rental.
Permit
requests.
L
L
L
That's
going
to
also
answer
your
question
that
we
are
will
be
able
to
keep
up
with
the
short-term
rentals
annual
inspections
and
other
inspections
that
the
fire
department
is
responsible
for
and
as
we
do,
these
inspections
with
four
inspectors
out
in
the
field.
It's
going
to
generate
revenue
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
collect
at
this
time
because
of
lack
of
people
in
those
positions.
K
Well,
you
know
that's
another
portion
of
of
the
city's,
you
know
having
good
programs
in
place
that
require
enforcement
and
the
better
job
we
do
at
that,
the
better
off
everyone's
gonna
be,
I
think,
I
know,
there's
a
fire
inspection
component
of
it
and
it's
you
know
it's
important,
because
when
something
goes
wrong,
it
really
goes
wrong
in
a
bad
way,
and
I
appreciate
your
efforts
on
this
and
enter
your
meeting
followed
by
help.
K
That's
not
me
hopkins
you're
on
you
need
a
mute
anyway.
Chief.
What
I
was
going
to
say
is
you
know
they
don't
want
me
to
talk.
K
Anyway,
what
I
was
going
to
say
again
was,
when
you
know
all
of
the
parts
work
together
like
a
puzzle,
not
just
with
short-term
rentals,
but
with
you
know
many
other
things
that
we
do
and
when
we're
not
like
on
target
with
it.
It
just
slows
everything
down,
and
time
is
money.
So
you
know
we
do
have
siphons
of
money
somehow
being
taken
away
and
lost,
but
I
appreciate
your
efforts
and
thank
you
for
everything
that
you
do.
Thank
you.
Mister.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilwoman
cassette
sanchez.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair
chief,
is
this
the
is
this
the
appropriate
time
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
the
alternative
response
vehicle
and
that
proposal?
I
know
it's
been
alluded
to
a
few
times,
but
I
we
haven't
dove
into
detail
with
it.
Yet.
L
Sure
so,
mr
chair
counselor
said
sanchez.
We've
been
talking
about
this
model
for
many
years
now
and
if,
if
anything
positive
with
coca
19,
it
actually
makes
you
do
the
changes
that
you
hesitate,
because
you
fear
failure,
but
actually
it
has
given
us
the
opportunity
to
I'm.
I've
been
researching.
Colorado
springs.
Fire
department
with
this
model
and
they've
had
great
success.
L
L
I'm
sorry,
sorry,
my
mind
just
went
blind
addictions,
behavioral
health
and
men
down.
Those
are
the
three
calls
so
by
having
this
alternative
response
vehicle
with
three
skill
sets
in
the
same
apparatus,
whether
it
be
a
social
worker
case
manager,
paramedic
or
law
enforcement.
What
this
does
is
when
that
unit
responds
to
a
911
response,
we're
not
sending
a
fire
truck,
we're
not
sending
an
ambulance
and
we're
not
standing
one
or
two
law
enforcement
officers.
L
In
six
months,
I
did
a
recent
data
collection.
I
asked
my
staff
to
pull
up
some
numbers
and
we
had
one
individual
in
our
community
that
used
72
times
in
six
months,
so
either
as
a
fire
department,
I'm
providing
the
wrong
services
or,
as
a
community,
we're
providing
the
wrong
services.
So
this
alternative
response
vehicle
would
not
require
a
fire
truck
two
police
officers
and
ambulance
to
run
to
these
type
of
calls.
Now,
if
that
response,
alternative
response
vehicle
needs
those
backups,
then
they
would
call
for
that.
So
we're
looking.
L
It's
not
a
true
cost
savings,
because
that
firefighter
and
paramedic
on
that
fire
truck
or
ambulance
already
being
paid
for
what
it
does
is.
It
helps
us
keep
our
fleet
that
councilman
hill
coughlin
talked
about
earlier,
that
we
stop
abusing
our
truck
to
those
type
of
calls,
but,
more
importantly,
we're
providing
appropriate
services
to
the
people.
We're
responding.
G
To
yeah,
thank
you.
I'm
really
excited
about
this
program
and
really
eager
to
hear
updates
on
it.
As
we
move
throughout
the
year.
Is
there
at
this
time?
Are
we
only
planning
on
one
of
these
units
to
be
available.
L
Mr
chair
counselor
sanchez,
that
is
the
the
talk
at
this
point.
It
could
be
changed
with
this
task
force
that
takes
place
and
they
could
have
other
recommendations,
but
just
looking
at
pd's
and
flyers
peak
hours,
we
are
looking
at
either
five
eight
hour
days
or
four
10
hour
days
and
we're
just
looking
at
the
data
that
we're
collecting
right
now
on
what
our
peak
hours
for
that
call
type
volume
would
take.
L
G
Okay,
so
it
does
sound
like
that,
potentially
as
we
move
forward
with
looking
at
the
merging
of
these
departments
and
to
the
community
health
and
safety,
and
as
we
are,
you
know
continuing
that
conversation
that
we
have
with
community
services
that
really
as
we're
assessing
community
needs.
We
may
be
in
need
of
more
of
these
units.
Would
that
be
a
accurate
thing
that
I
want
to
look
out
for.
L
Yes,
mr
chair
councillor,
tessa
sanchez,
I
think
the
data
is
going
to
prove
that
I
think
the
data
is
going
to
show
that
fire
trucks
could
be
available
to
fight
fires.
Ambulances
could
be
available
to
go
on
true
emergency
calls,
like
I
stated
earlier,
this
re-imaging
of
public
safety,
both
fire,
police
and
now
community
services.
L
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity,
as
I
stated
earlier,
and
ems
3.0,
there's
prevention,
there's
urgent
calls
and
there's
emergency
calls,
and
when
we
have
many
times
out
of
the
day
we
run
out,
we
run
out
of
ambulances
for
calls
and
there's
a
small
delay.
Our
crews
are
really
good
about
getting
in
service
as
quickly
as
possible
to
respond
to
that
call,
but
I
think
this
is
going
to
give
opportunity
by
this
type
of
alternative
response
where
our
apparatus
are
available
for
the
type
of
calls
they
should
be
responding
to.
G
A
off
the
top
of
your
head-
and
you
may
need
to
get
back
to
me
on
this
one:
do
you
have
an
idea
of
the
percentage
of
calls
that
are
what
I
categorize
really
in
this
public
health,
as
you
mentioned
with
the
behavioral
man
down
addiction,
what
percentage
are
going
to
be
really
emergency
medical
services
and
what
percentage
are
traditional
firefighting
pulse.
L
Mr
counselor
kens,
essentially
I
apologize.
I
do
have
that
data.
I
just
don't
have
that
data
in
front
of
me
so
I'll
be
happy
to
follow
up
with
that
information
to
you
once
I
get
back
into
my
office.
G
Okay,
that'd
be
wonderful
and
and
kind
of
in
the
same
vein.
Almost
the
other
side
of
the
question
is:
what
percentage
of
calls
overall
do,
you
think
are
essentially
related
to
some
of
these
broader
public
health
issues.
G
So,
for
example,
somebody
needs
emerging
emergency
medical
services
because
they're
overdosing
or
somebody
has
lit
a
fire
in
their
house
because
of
drug
use,
or
you
know
we
have
other
mental
health
issues,
so
I
would
also
be
interested
in
looking
at
really
at
where
those
overlaps
are
as
we
move
forward
and
really
assessing
what
the
need
for
the
different
levels
of
programming
we
have
across
our
different
potential
divisions
in
this
potential
department.
L
Mr
chair
concert
has
essentially,
I
think,
you're
actually
right
on
about
how
a
lot
of
these
calls
do
overlap
to
either
behavioral
health
addiction
or
man-down-type
calls.
I
will
gather
that
data
for
you
and
I
will
for
that
report
to
you
wonderful.
Thank
you.
So
much.
A
Okay,
anything
else:
okay,
councilwoman
via
rael.
F
On
that
same
point,
I
was
actually
going
to
ask
the
same
questions
that
counselor
kasitzan
just
just
asked,
because
we
consistently
talk
about
this
in
budget
hearings.
Since
I've
started
about
percentages
of
calls
and
support,
you
all
give
for
actual
firefighting
like
putting
out
fires
versus
medical
response
calls,
and
I
would
like
to
see
the
data
too.
I
think
that
data
data
driven
responses
is
really
important
to
like
how
you
reimagine
your
department,
and
you
know,
I'm
sure,
there'll
be
some
staff
members
that
won't
really
feel
like
that's
where
they
want
to
go.
F
F
But
again
the
data
will
show
it,
and
I
would
love
to
see
that,
and
you
know,
other
places
in
other
parts
of
the
country
are
actually
repositioning
themselves
for
that
kind
of
response.
L
Yes,
mr
chair
and
culture
via
rail
you're,
absolutely
right
so
because
the
fire
department,
their
our
staff,
our
crews
are
cross-trained
as
either
the
emt
basic
level
at
the
lowest
level
of
ems
response
up
to
paramedic
level
and
also
our
firefighters,
because
I
say
that
earlier
the
trend
of
ems
calls
across
all
fire
departments
are,
but
they
respond
to
ems
type
calls
so
because
of
code
enforcement
and
regulations
and
fire
code,
our
fire
call,
has
gone
down.
L
Well,
as
I
say
that,
though,
just
this
last
week
we
had
three
big
fire
calls,
one
at
our
trading
grounds
and
two
structure,
fires
and
then
fourth
of
july,
we
weren't
busy
with
calls,
but
we
were
busy
with
complaints
but
you're
absolutely
right,
and
I
will
get
that
data
showing
the
difference
from
call
volume
type
call
fire
fire
call
types
to
ems
fall
types.
F
F
T
Thank
you,
mr
chair
chief,
before
well.
The
first
question
I
want
to
ask
is
you
said
something
about
the
new
fire
station
and
really
that
the
community
wouldn't
see
a
difference
which
then
begs
a
question
of.
Why
did
we
need
a
fire
station
in
the
first
place,
but
we
did
have
a
annexation
agreement
with
the
county?
Is
that
correct
and
what
did
that
mean.
L
The
call
volume
out
there
right
now
is
minimal,
but
with
the
new
economic
growth
out
there
with
two
large
apartment
complex
that
I'm
hearing
is
going
to
go
in
that
area,
the
call
volume
is
going
to
go
up.
This
is
also
going
to
create
some
renegotiation
between
the
county
and
city
because
of
us
not
meeting
our
obligation
of
response
to
that
area.
L
Again,
when
I
say
it's
not
going
to
mean
a
difference,
it's
not
going
to
mean
a
difference,
but
the
person
calling
9-1-1,
but
as
that
area
grows,
it
could
make
a
difference
and
just
a
little
bit
of
delay
of
the
location
of
where
that
apparatus
is
responding
from
so
you're
just
talking
short
term,
then
mr
chair
counselor,
rivera
that
is
correct.
There's
definitely
a
need
for
a
station
out
there,
of
course,
sooner
than
later,
not
only
to
meet
the
obligation
of
annexation
agreement,
but
because
there
is
going
to
be
potential
growth
out
there.
T
Thanks
and
then,
as
far
as
that
data
being
collected,
you
know
as
well
as
I
do
that
many
people
drive
by
a
homeless
person
and
call
a
man
down,
and
then
our
units
respond
and
find
out
that
it's
a
diabetic
emergency
or
a
stroke
or
a
heart
attack,
cardiac
arrest,
something
like
that
something
other
than
just
a
man
down
who's.
Intoxicated,
so
are
we
keeping
data
on
that
as
well
or
will
we
moving
forward.
L
L
I
believe
we
do.
Mr
chair.
Excuse
me,
mr
chair,
and
comes
rivera.
I
believe
we
have
that
data,
but
before
I
misspeak
let
me
reach
out
to
my
staff
to
see
if
that
is
truly
available
before
I
promise
you
something
I
can't
deliver.
T
L
So,
mr
chair
members
of
committee,
as
I
stated
earlier,
of
that
1.9
million
dollars,
648
thousand
dollars,
is
salary
wages
and
benefits
that
is
to
align
again
our
pol
to
the
people
who
are
under
our
operations,
division
that
were
previously
being
paid
out
of
our
administrative
fund.
So
that
is
the
difference
of
that
increase
there
and
again
it's
just
moving
it
from
administrative
division
to
our
operations.
Division
under
operations.
We
do
not
have
any
contractual
or
utility
costs
and
same
with
repairs
and
maintenance.
L
All
the
repairs
and
maintenance
are
under
our
support.
Division
supplies
the
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
again,
that
is
uniforms
for
our
wildland
division,
safety
supplies
and
office
supplies
and
operation
supplies
again.
The
reason
I'm
not
too
concerned
about
that
drastic
drop
is
because
I
do
have
a
buffer
by
being
able
to
utilize
state
firefighter
money
to
make
up
that
difference.
L
The
insurance
again
is
insurances
that
I
would
defer
to
andy,
as
well
as
other
operating
costs
and
chief.
How
many
positions
do
you
have,
and
I
apologize?
I
I
keep
forgetting.
I
have
it
right
in
front
of
me
for
operations.
We
have
140
positions,
so
I
I
didn't
say
this
earlier,
but
we
are
going
from
we
had
last
year,
197
full
fte
positions
and
over
that
197
we
actually
had
16
more
temporary
positions
when
those
temporary
positions
run
out
of
their
funding
source.
A
Okay,
questions
of
the
chief
on
operations.
F
Councilwoman
villarreal.
Thank
you
just
a
question
on
the
let's
see
hold
on
I'm
in
the
wrong
for
operations
for
the.
J
Is
all
right,
mr
chair
counselor,
councilwoman,
vo
real,
that
that
again
involves
inflated
internal
service
and
I
t
internal
service
costs,
but
it
also
involves
a
variety
of
different
things,
such
as
travel
and
training
equipment
purchases,
small
equipment
purchases,
things
of
that
nature-
I
so
I
would
have
to
you
know,
look
into
it
more
detail
to
see
exactly
what
increase
and
what
decrease.
Perhaps
the
fire
department
has
already
looked
into
that
with
more
detail.
L
F
Okay
sounds
good,
so
out
of
the
17
vacancies,
those
are
frozen,
positions
or
they've
been
vacant
for
a
while
or
what's
the
what's
the
status
on
that.
L
So,
mr
chair
council,
via
rail,
they
have
been
vacant
for
a
while.
So
we,
like,
I
stated
earlier,
we
started
with
the
academy
of
20
cadets
about
six
months
ago.
We
can't
have
academy
greater
than
20,
just
because
it's
too
overwhelming
of
the
17
vacancies
that
that
are
part
of
five
of
those
vacancies
or
five
cadets
that
dropped
out
of
the
academy
and
then
the
other
remaining
12
are
either
retirements
or
resignations.
L
L
F
Thank
you,
the
other
one
was
the.
L
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair
council
viral.
I
haven't
gone
over
that
part,
so
this
is
a
big
one.
For
us
this
is
our
wildland
division
and
what
this
funds
that's
negative,
737
thousand
dollars
is.
I
currently
have
sixteen
temporary
term
employees
of
our
wildland
division.
L
I
don't
have
that
funding
available
starting
of
april
of
next
year
now,
as
we
come
forward
as
budgets
are
adjusted
throughout
the
year
as
we
get
reimbursements
from
either
deployments
or
project
work
for
this
division,
we
would
put
that
money
back
in
that
division
to
have
that
funding
source
by
early
next
year
for
the
beginning
of
the
fire
season,
but
of
right
now
I
do
not
have
that
funding
source
because
of
lack
of
either
deployments
or
project
reimbursements,
so
that
funding
source
comes
from
where
again,
mr
chair,
counselor,
vrl,
that
funding
source
is
usually
reimbursement
from
the
state
forestry.
L
F
L
Mr
mr
chair
comes
from
vrl
project.
Work
has
expired,
we've
either
completed
projects
where
that
money
is
no
longer
available
as
well
as
last
year.
Our
deployment
was
really
minimal
that
we
really
didn't
have
a
hot
fire
season,
let's
just
say,
to
send
out
people
and
collect
those
reimbursements.
L
So
far
this
year
we've
gone
on
three
three
deployments,
and
we've
collected
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
this
next
fiscal
year
to
pour
towards
that
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
we're
hoping
that
through
wildfire
deployments
as
well
as
project
work,
that
will
be
able
to
bring
that
back.
L
As
I
stated
earlier,
when
we
are
going
back
two
months
as
we
come
forward
with
the
budget
adjustments,
if
budget
is
available,
the
fire
marshal
is
one
that's
a
priority,
and
this
is
my
second
party,
if
not
my
first,
to
make
it
bring
it
back.
I
find
it
a
very
important
resource
to
the
community
because
of
just
the
community
risk
reduction
is
done
in
our
watershed
in
other
areas
of
a
community,
so
this
is
very
important.
These
16
positions
are
important
to
me
to
get
funded.
F
Are
there
more
calls
or
need
for
response
for
wildland
fire
versus
structural
fires
in
the
urban
center.
L
Mr
chair
council,
via
rail,
it
just
depends
this
year
with
the
fourth
of
july.
We
have
responded
in
our
community
with
several
brush
fires
before
fourth
of
july
that
actually
day
of
fourth
of
july,
we
did
not
respond
to,
but
one
brush
fire
days
after
the
fourth
of
july.
We,
our
our
wildline
team,
responded
to
more
brush
fires.
They
have
been
deployed
out
to
las
vegas
new
mexico.
They
have
been
deployed
to
chama
new
mexico
and
they've,
been
been
deployed
to
the
manzano
mountains,
so
they
are
keeping
busy.
L
We
just
need
to
get
revenue
for
either
deployment
or
project
work
to
bring
them
back,
but
as
like,
you
stated
earlier,
if
money
is
available
and
the
budget
is
being
able
to
be
adjusted
fire,
my
fire
marshal
and
these
16
positions
are
my
priority.
Yeah.
I
can
see
that
okay.
A
Okay,
councilor
rivera.
T
Thank
you,
mr
chair
chief
babcock,
the
wildland
deployments.
You
mentioned
a
few
that
are
in
state,
but
aren't
we
typically
asked
to
provide
services
out
of
state.
L
Mr
chair
comes
from
herrera,
we
have
and
we
do.
We
have
what
we
call
a
rem
team.
This
is
a
rapid
evacuation.
Module
we've
been
to
that
team
has
been
to
arizona
twice
already
and
they've
gone
to
the
madonna
mountains,
so
the
the
numbers
that
I
spoke
of
the
temporary
employees,
that's
our
yln
hand,
crew
they've
done
in-state
work
as
well
as
our
overall
wildland
division
have
gone
out
of
state.
L
I
know
because
of
the
kobe
19
and
the
health
crisis,
the
state
is
being
a
little
bit
more
conservative
before
they
sand
cruz
out
of
state
because
of
quarantine
issues
that
were
being
questioned
and
now
have
been
addressed
when
crews
come
back
with
first
responders
being
exempt
from
that
quarantine.
But
the
state
was
being
really
conservative
and
reserved
before
they
recall
for
a
resource
to
go
out
of
state
and
we
typically
send
vehicles
as
well.
Is
that
correct?
L
Mr
terry
council?
Rivera
that
is
correct?
We
do
send
vehicles
and
with
the
cobia
19
and
we're
trying
to
follow
the
state
forestry's
protocol,
we
are
actually
sending
one
or
two
additional
vehicles
to
keep
the
crews
separated
during
their
commute
to
the
fire
location.
L
Mr
chair
council
rivera
that
is
correct,
so
I
have
been
working
with
the
finance
director
mary
on
how
we
are
getting
the
how
the
fire
department,
when
the
fire
department
sends
out
a
resource,
those
overtime,
expenditures
and
other
expenditures
for
lodging
and
food,
have
been
coming
out
of
fire
department
funds.
L
We
are
working
with
finance
to
get
that
reimbursement
money
back
into
the
fire
department,
funds
as
a
reimbursement
and
as
a
revenue.
So
for
an
example
on
a
14-day
deployment,
just
our
ram
team
we
make
in
profit
about
35
thousand
dollars.
T
And
that
typically
goes
back
into
the
general
fund,
not
necessarily
not
necessarily
into
your
budget,
to
refund
these
services.
Again,
mr
terry
comes
forward.
That
is
accurate.
Yes,
all
right,
miss
mccoy!
Is
there
any
way
that
again,
this
is
a
program
that
seems
to
kind
of
feed
itself.
Is
there
any
way
to
make
sure
that
those
reimbursements
come
back
to
continue
to
fund
the
program
itself.
I
Mr
chair
counselors,
yes,
that
is
our
goal
for
this
upcoming
year.
As
the
chief
mentioned
we
will.
This
is
likely
one
of
the
items
that
we'll
be
bringing
forward
as
a
budget
adjustment
in
the
coming
months,
as
we
do
receive
the
reimbursement
from
this
season.
So
as
we
do
that.
I
L
Mr
chair
counselor
rare
we
have
not
been
asked
to,
they
haven't
asked
for
a
resource
order
for
us
to
go
to
nevada
and
again
the
state
and
the
feds
that
are
requesting
these
resources
they're
trying
to
hit
local
communities
first
to
so
they
don't
have
to
travel
out
of
state,
but
we
are
on
a
availability
list
right
now,
so
they
do.
They
do
know
that
santa
fe
fire
department
does
have
resources
of
the
goal
for
deployment.
T
Great
thanks,
I
think
getting
that
money
to
refund
the
program
is,
is
really
important.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Both
mary
and
chief
backpack
and
thank
you,
mr
chair.
V
Okay,
councilwoman
viral.
F
Okay,
just
one
more
question
chief
about
just
overall
thinking
about
your
department
and
the
needs-
and
you
know
trainings
are
important
to
me,
but
I
was
also
curious.
What's
the
gender
breakdown
in
your
department.
L
Mr
chair
controversial
right
now
I
have
three
female
firefighters,
so
the
rest
of
the
entire
ft
account
would
be
male.
I'm
currently
working
with
rama,
sosi
who's,
our
opiate
outreach
and
creating
a
task
force
to
look
at
recruitment
and
retention
diversity.
What
we're
looking
for
is
to
have
the
fire
department
reflect
the
diversity
of
the
community
and
paramedic
movement.
Health
paramedic,
roma
sosi
is
taking
the
lead
on
this.
O
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Okay,
looking
at
the
agenda,
we
had
an
hour
and
a
half
slated
for
police,
but
given
the
time
of
413,
does
the
committee
want
to
hear
emergency
management
and
safety
by
five
o'clock?
Do
we
think
we
can
do
that
or
do
you
want
to
leave
the
agenda
the
way
it
is
and
go
with
police
and
see
how
far
we
get
and
then
pick
up
tomorrow?
What's
the
wishes
of
the
committee.
H
And
my
my
agenda
sheet
said
that
we
were
going
to
4
30
today,
no
sorry,
my
mistake,
chair
apologize.
F
F
Mr
chair,
you
said
we'll
go
to
emergency
management
for
today
and
then
move
police,
since
that
will
require
more
than
an
hour.
A
A
Yes,
okay,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
hear
from
emergency.
W
Are
you
ready,
hello,
everybody
I
apologize?
I
was
watching
the
youtube
stream
and
then
I
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
delay,
so
I'm
I'm
ready
now.
Okay,
as
you
can
see
the
the
emergency
management
mission
with
this
new
adjustment,
we
are
expanding
our
mission.
W
So
we're
excited
to
include
in
our
mission
the
safety
of
the
city
of
santa
fe
staff,
including
trainings
exercises
things
like
that,
as
you
can
see,
we'll
be
operating
on
a
15
furlough
for
myself
as
the
director
of
the
department
and
then
10
furlough
for
the
pay
periods
for
everybody
else,
but
there
are
no
budgeted
cuts
or
layoffs
at
this
time.
W
That
being
said,
as
you
can
see
on
the
screen,
this
is
just
kind
of
the
truncated
version
of
our
budget.
We
will
be
seeing
a
percent
change
in
the
salaries
and
benefits.
W
My
understanding
of
that
change
is
that
my
position
is
directly
paid
50
from
police
and
50
from
fire.
So
this
was
just
a
correction
in
that
contractual
and
utilities.
We
are
reducing
based
on
contracts
that
we're
we're
really
trying
to
do
our
part
as
a
small
department.
W
As
you
can
see,
we
lowered
the
two
to
one
total
by
67
percent.
I
I
did
my
best
to
remove
all
of
those
unessential
things
that
a
lot
of
those
came
from
the
operating
costs,
so
travel
to
conferences,
the
networking
aspect
that
is
critical
in
our
normal
day-to-day
operations,
but
we
didn't
see
that
it
was
super
pivotal
moving
forward
for
this
fiscal
year
for
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
these
conferences,
where
we
do
that
networking
and
that
training
are
moving
to
an
online
platform.
W
This
this
fiscal
year
with
covet
19.
W
W
W
I
know
that
the
other
operating
costs
is
something
that
comes
up
during
these,
as
I've
been
watching
that
one
has
reduced
drastically
a
lot
of
those
are
those
travel
costs,
a
lot
of
those
that
hundred
and
two
thousand
dollars
reduction
is
due
to,
like,
I
said,
travel
costs,
no
dues
for
professional
organizations
and
things
of
that.
D
I
W
Looks
like
somebody
else
has
it
now
and
then
you
can
see
general
reductions
throughout
there.
Some
of
the
transfer
out
reductions
are
due
to
that
combination
of
the
the
departments
so.
F
You,
mr
mason,
for
your
presentation,
remind
me
again
so
before
you
became
your
own
department,
where
was
emergency
management.
W
Council
counselor
chairman
beta
and
counselor
woman
via
real
as
far
as
I've
known
previous
to
me
and
and
previous,
the
emergency
management
department
has
always
been
under
general
government
reporting
directly
to
the
city
manager.
W
W
Person
or
no
so
currently
I
I
apologize,
I
didn't
do
an
overview
of
the
department.
So
currently
my
department
is
myself
as
the
emergency
management
director
and
then
I
have
brian
williams.
He
is
the
emergency
management
specialist
we've
had
him
for
a
few
months
now
he's
been
a
great
help
to
the
city
through
the
recovery
efforts
for
kobit
19.
W
quick,
shout
out
there,
and
then
we
are
having
a
grant
opportunity
that
we
were
awarded
the
grant,
but
we're
waiting
for
the
sub
grant
agreement
from
the
state
department
of
homeland
security
and
emergency
management.
You
you
guys,
saw
the
2019
version
of
that,
but
that
will
add
another
position
for
this
fiscal
year
that
will
be
100
grant
funded
with
my
salary
as
match.
W
So
that's
a
great
opportunity
to
add
another
person
to
the
team
with
this
integration
with
the
safety
office.
That
brings
us
barbara
lujan,
who
is
the
safety
and
compliance
officer
and
then
miguel
v
hill,
who
is
a
safety
specialist
senior
position
so
and
then
there
is
one
frozen
vacancy
in
that
office
as
well.
W
Six,
including
the
grant
funded
position
once
that
goes
through
council
and
is
potentially
approved,
including
the
vacancy
as
well.
I
apologize.
F
Okay
and
then
the
contractuals.
F
W
The
reduced
amount,
so
in
the
previous
fiscal
year
we
had
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
contractual
services.
That
was
for
the
revisions
for
the
city's
multi-hazard
mitigation
plan.
It's
a
five-year
plan
cycle.
I
won't
get
into
the
the
nitty-gritty
on
that,
but
we
determined
that
we
we
needed
to
retain
14
000
for
custodial
services
at
the
midtown
public
safety
building.
W
F
It
was
a
an
increase.
Does
that
also
include
any
kind
of
supplies
you
need
related
to
covid?
I
know
you've
gotten
a
lot
of
donations
for
masks
et
cetera,
but
I
was
curious
if
there
would
be
a
need
for
more
of
that
in
the
future
that
we'd
have
to
pay
for.
W
W
Okay,
go
ahead,
mr
mate.
Those
personal
perspective
equipment
would
be
identified
also
through
the
safety
budget
as
they're
more
in
that
pp
realm,
but
we
are
seeking
the
cares
act
funding
for
those
dollars.
We
have
a
large
portion
of
money
allocated
for
accruing,
some
of
that
personal
protective
equipment
for
any
future
spikes
and
just
having
our
staff
and
constituents
repair.
F
So
does
that
ppe,
through
the
cares
act,
also
cover?
I
meant
to
ask
this
for
fire,
but
for
their
staff.
W
F
And
police-
okay,
that's
good
to
know
and
then
other
operating.
You
were
kind
of
going
into
that.
That
reduction-
and
you
said
the
majority
of
the
hundred
four
thousand-
was
travel
costs
and
dues
which
sounded
a
little
high.
But
I
was
curious
if
there
was
some
other
line
item
that
you
didn't
mention.
W
Correct
not
all
of
that
by
any
means.
Previously,
we
were
just
a
two-person
department,
so
it
was
not.
Some
of
that
does
come
from
grant
funding
just
taking
it
out
of
the
budget
right
now,
so
that
we,
when
we
do
get
those
grants.
Obviously
we
can't
budget
for
them
for
the
fiscal
year,
because
we
don't
know
exactly
what
we're
going
to
be
awarded,
but
the
way
that
my
understanding
is
the
way
that
the
software
reads.
It
is
that
when
the
it
tallies
up
all
of
these
line
items
into
emergency
management.
W
Well,
perhaps
I'm
sending
police
and
fire
to
a
grant
opportunity,
funded
training
and
it
kind
of
ticks
towards
that
tally.
So
it'll
save
what's
been
expended
in
my
budget
when
I'm
just
kind
of
the
fiscal
pass-through
of
a
pass-through
grant
entity.
So
the
number
does
get
a
lot
higher
and
I
can
go
into
a
few
other.
I
don't
know
exactly.
W
Perhaps
the
finance
staff
can
tell
me
or
tell
us
what
exactly
is
in
that
other
operating
cost.
But
what
I
show
is
some
of
the
software
capitalized
35,
000,
being
reduced
out
of
that,
and
data
processing
was
removed
as
well,
because
they
weren't
being
expended
upon
in
that
in
the
fiscal
year.
19.
W
And
every
grant
every
grant
that
I
have
operated
does
go
through
city
council,
even
if
it's
under
the
60
000
threshold.
Just
because
we
want
to
keep
you
guys
involved
and
keep
you
in
the
loop
so
that
you
guys
can
see
the
good
work
that
that
we're
able
to
to
do
so.
We
we
do
try
to
bring
everything
all
those
opportunities
through
as
they
come
up
so.
W
They
are
a
grant
through
the
state's
department
of
homeland
security
or
through
the
federal
emergency
management
agency.
Then
yes,
they
they
do
need
my
signatory.
So
generally,
I
am
working
in
close
partnership
with
police
and
fire
as
they've
made
that
need
aware.
They've
worked
heavily
with
me
on
the
application
process
and
things
like
that,
but
I
generally
end
up
doing
the
the
quarterly
reporting
and
any
bars
and
and
requests
that
help
mediate
that
as
as
an
emergency
manager,
we
help
do
those
coordinating
administrative
functions
for
response
agencies.
F
And
can
you
just
give
us
an
example
of
the
kind
of
things
that
you
end
up
becoming
a
pass-through
intermediary
that
supports
certain
equipment
or
trainings
or
things
that?
Can
you
just
give
us
an
example
of
the
more
recent
ones
that
you've
seen.
W
Yeah
so
most
recently,
the
unfortunately
this
year,
the
trainings
have
mostly
been
cancelled,
but
the
state
homeland
security
grant
program
that
provide
funding
for
swat
type
2
trainings,
which
is
for
our
swat
team
to
be
up
to
up
to
all
the
trains
that
they
need
to
be
for
refreshers
and
for
initial
trainings,
also
gone
through.
Council
was
eod
robot
so
to
to
for
bomb
disposal
and
detection
and
then
eod
and
patrol
canines.
W
We
received
two
of
those
units
and
the
trainings
required
for
the
operation
of
those
canines
through
the
2019
state
homeland
security
grant
program
that
was
about
three
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars.
That's
a
hundred
percent
grant
funded
no
local
match
for
that
one
and
then
for
fire.
We
do
things
for
trainings
to
make
sure
that
the
the
staff
are
up
to
speed
on
airport
response.
W
So
that's
a
training
course
that
we
send
folks
out
to
as
we're
not
a
jurisdiction
large
enough
to
set
a
fake
airplane
on
fire
outside
of
outside
of
our
airport.
We
do
have
to
send
people
out
for
that
training.
F
So
so
what
you've
described
are
basically,
you
become
pass-throughs
for
training
opportunities,
but
are
there
any
pass-through
situations
where
you
become
there
are
grants
in
terms
of
supporting
certain
equipment
or
supplies
for
other
departments.
W
The
canine
units
are
considered
equipment
and
then
that
eod
robot
is
is
a
an
equipment
item,
but
as
for
for
specific
supplies,
not
at
this
time,
we
are
working
on
the
non-regular
grants
for
the
covid19
pandemic,
that
that
is
an
opportunity
to
get
supplies,
and
mostly
just
the
reimbursement
of
the
expenses
that
the
city
is
incurring.
H
So
the
the
k-9
unit
which
we
currently
have
which
we
used
to
have
then
we
decided
we
didn't
need.
But
now
we
have
again
did
the
funding
for
that.
Did
that
pass
through
emergency
management.
W
Chairman
of
counselor
lindelof,
yes,
that
I
believe
it
was
16
or
thirteen
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
three
dollars
per
canine
unit,
and
we
have
two
currently
so
that's
twenty
six
thousand
six
hundred
and
sixty
six
dollars
that
we
are
currently
working
on
the
reimbursement
process
for
this
quarter,
so
that
we
can
get
reimbursed
as
quickly
as
possible.
But,
yes,
that
that
funding
as
it
is
the
state
homeland
security
grant
program
is
an
entity
within
the
new
mexico
department
of
homeland
security
and
emergency
management.
They
coordinate
with
local
emergency
managers.
W
H
Okay,
you
don't
know
how,
so
what
do
we
use
canines
for.
H
That's
fine.
I
I'm
happy
to
hold
that
you
don't
need
to
answer.
That's
all
I
have
chair.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
T
W
W
The
city
started
funding
that
position
fully
so
that
we
could
transition
that
grant
to
alternative
sources.
We
ended
up
using
that
grant
in
the
next
fiscal
year
for
building
out
the
midtown
campus
emergency
management
and
emergency
operations
center,
so
that
was
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
grant
that
we
utilized
to
make
those
renovations.
W
His
name
was,
mr
williams,
is
funded
through
the
city
as
well.
We
can't
go
backwards.
Obviously
that
becomes
some
plantation,
so
both
of
my
staff
currently
are
under
the
or
both
of
the
staff
in
the
department
are
city
funded.
W
W
A
third
position
that
is
100
the
cost
is
incurred
by
the
state,
and
then
my
salary
is
the
match
for
that.
So
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
keep
the
staff.
The
way
that
they
are
is
that
my
time,
mr
williams,
time
can
be
used
as
match
for
other
grants.
T
W
Counselor
of
beta
or
chairman
of
beta
council
riviere.
Unfortunately,
the
current
emergency
operations
plan
was
drafted
and
approved
in
2010.
So
during
this
initial
phase
we
were
before
long
before
covid19
was
here.
W
I
was
working
on
the
wildfire
portion
of
the
plan
and
then
community
evacuations
portion
back
when
I
was
an
emergency
management
specialist
at
this
time,
we're
working
on
documentation
to
make
sure
that
the
plans
when
they
do
get
updated
again
and
come
to
you
for
approval
through
the
council
that
this
is
as
accurate
of
a
of
a
depiction
of
our
real
life
emergency
response.
W
We
are
like
many
communities
facing
things
that
nobody
could
have
anticipated
staying
home
for
months
on
end
and
and
keeping
schools
closed
and
and
learning
through
doing
council
through
zoom.
Nobody
really
saw
that
coming,
but
to
answer
your
question,
the
these
plans
are
ever
flowing
and
no,
we
did
not
dust
them
off
for
the
2010
version,
as
the
very
small
amount
of
information
that
was
in
there
pertaining
to
pandemic
was
mostly
related
to
flus,
and
when,
when
do
you
think
they'll
be
updated
to
a
newer
version?
W
We
are
currently
working
on
that
process
through
the
emergency
management
coordinating
group
that
representatives
from
each
department
and
we're
obviously
everybody's
working
on
budget
right
now,
but
we
are
trying
to
shift
that
focus
and
keep
the
the
momentum
that
this
pandemic
has
brought
to
emergency
management
and
to
emergency
response,
and
I
hope
that
the
combination
of
the
four
departments
into
the
community,
health
and
safety
can
help
coordinate.
That
response.
W
W
For
yes,
we
are
working
on
anything
and
everything
that
can
be
reimbursed
through
the
state
or
through
the
federal
public
assistance
fund,
so
that
tends
to
be
75
of
the
thought
that
was
incurred
by
locals
as
long
as
it's
a
reimbursable
expense
and
then
all
of
the
other
funding
that
comes
up
ad
hoc
through
this.
Through
this
process,
we
are
hunting
down
and
diligently
applying
for.
T
All
right,
that's
good
to
hear,
and
then
lastly,
I
assume
that
the
safety
budget-
I
don't
know
what
it
was
in
hr-
has
followed
the
safety
division
and
and
now
that
budget
will
be
part
of
your.
W
A
W
Go
ahead,
mr
mason.
As
you
can
see,
the
safety
mission
is
focused
more
closely
on
the
employees
within
the
city
as
a
subsection
of
emergency
management.
Emergency
management
is
the
large
big
picture
city-wide,
but
with
safety
being
involved,
we're
looking
a
little
bit
more
focused
as
well.
Next
slide.
W
That
being
said,
there
was
some
personnel
salary
wages
and
benefits
that
we
were
able
to
account
for
one
being
the
frozen
position
and
then
between
the
fy
20
base
and
the
21
recommendation.
There
was
also,
I
believe,
90
000,
worth
of
discrepancy
that
that
was
unaccounted
for
during
previous
transitions.
W
If
you
know
the
safety
department
well,
you
know
that
they've
been
safety,
they've
been
risking
safety.
They've
been
under
human
resources,
they've
been
a
stand-alone
department,
so
this
budget
here
cleans
up
a
lot
of
that
moving
forward.
W
That
also
being
said,
they
they
move
some
of
the
contracts
from
other
operating
costs
up
to
contractual
and
utilities.
So
that's
for
generally
trainings
to
make
sure
that
our
staff
are
osha
compliant
and
making
sure
that
they
are
continuing
up
the
the
educational
requirements
for
any
of
the
positions
and
the
operations
and
equipment
that
they
operate
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
To
make
sure
that
they're,
safe.
W
Changes
you'll
see
in
the
the
budget
is
that
workman's
comp
is
moving
from
human
resources
to
emergency
management
with
safety
as
well,
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
the
changes
there.
The
increase
in
contractual
services
is,
I
may
have
to
defer
to
human
resources
on
that
one.
This
is
a
very
new
budget
to
me,
unfortunately,
but
we
are
we're
working
through
it,
making
sure
that
we
we
spend
the
money
appropriately,
but
you
can
see
the
changes.
There
are
generally
reductions
by
10.
O
W
Chairman
of
beta
councillor,
carol
romero.
To
my
knowledge.
No,
this
is
a
proposal
that
I
actually
made
in
december
of
last
year
was
to
combine
these
departments
city
manager,
barbara
lujan,
myself,
sat
down
in
december
of
2019
to
talk
about
what
this
would
look
like.
W
It's
only
become
more
and
more
prevalent
that
it
is
something
that
would
benefit
the
city
as
we
moved
through
kobit
19
and
saw
the
the
vast
amounts
of
personal
equipment
just
being
distributed
by
my
office
and
working
through
policy
changes
and
all
of
the
the
inner
workings
that
safety
and
emergency
management
have
through
that
coordination
of
a
response.
W
So
I
think
that
this
change
was
was
in
the
making,
but
I
don't
know
how
far
back
perhaps
former
city
manager
lutzenberg
did
have
some
play
in
it
at
one
point,
or
he
saw
this
in
a
vision
of
his,
but
I
never
had
any
direct
communication
with
him
about
this
change.
D
Okay
counselor
mr
chair
counselor,
romeroworth
to
just
answer
your
question.
The
safety
office
that
had
been
in
hr
was
was
the
creation
of
the
work
that
former
city
manager
littenberg
was
doing
that
lived
in
hr
and
now
that
as
an
entire
entity
is
moving
under.
A
Emergency
okay,
councilwoman
via
royale.
Thank
you.
F
X
Mr
chairman,
this
is
brad.
That
increase
is
for
the
third
party
administration.
X
So
when
a
workers
comp
claim
is
filed,
we
have
a
third
party
administrator
who
gathers
that
information
and
they
process
the
claim,
determine
what's
what
and
make
sure
everything
goes
through
properly
and
the
vendors
are
paid,
that's
a
small
increase
in
their
fee.
X
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I'm
I'm
thinking
that
this
new
division,
including
the
city,
the
city,
safety
department
or
division,
is
a
good
thing,
because
it's
it's
more
suited
to
mr
mason
suited
to
your
skills,
and
I'm
wondering
because
of
that.
What
is
your?
K
What's
your
philosophy,
now
you
have
this
new
role
that
you
have,
that
you're
undertaking
and
so
you're
responsible
for
overseeing
city
of
santa
fe
and
its
safety
practices
and
such
and
what
is
your
philosophy
on
on
organizational
safety,
and
do
you
think
this
budget
is
going
to
help
you
get
where
you
want
to
go.
W
Chairman
abita
counselor
via
the
hill
coupler.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
I'm
strongly
in
favor
of
from
the
top
down.
We
show
safety.
If
you
see
your
manager
not
handling
a
forklift
in
the
way
that
they
ought
to
be
handling
a
forklift
that
that
that's
going
to
negatively
affect
the
people
that
report
to
that
person.
W
So
I
think
just
making
sure
that
we
have
a
good
reporting
culture,
so
that
folks
know
that
when
they
come
to
safety
or
emergency
management,
that
they
are
being
taken
seriously,
that
when
they
that
they
know
that
they
have
the
confidence
that
something
is
going
to
be
done,
regardless
of
whose
fault
it
may
or
may
not
be.
W
We
still
want
to
take
all
of
those
factors
into
play,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
know
that
they
can
talk
to
somebody
about
any
incidents
or
potential
safety
concerns
like
right.
Now.
I
have
people
calling
me
about
their
concerns
with
covet.
19.
people
are
are
very
concerned
about
going
into
work,
environments
and-
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
taken
care
of
and
that
those
resources
are
available
to
them
when
it
when
they
need
them.
K
You
know
we
have
many
facilities,
some
probably
easier
to
operate
in
a
safe
environment
than
others
I,
but
I'm
thinking
about
our
facilities
involving
wastewater
water
treatment,
those
kinds
of
facilities
where
it
may
not
be
about
heavy
lifting
or
or
safe
practices
in
the
conduct
of
your
job,
but
maybe
potentially
toxic
environments
such
as
sludge
and
and
I
don't
know
what
to
use
for
it,
but
waste
waste,
penetrating
the
building
and
the
flooring
and
and
and
things
like
that-
that
have
a
lot
of
bacteria
where
we
have
our
employees
working
in
that
facility.
K
I
was
pleased
last
year
that
we
were
able
to
get
a
safety
officer,
and
I
know
she
underwent
a
lot
of
questioning
about
background
and
skills
that
that
she
had,
but
I
think
she's
doing
the
best
that
she
can
and
I
and
I'm
glad
to
see
someone
of
your
caliber
come
along,
but
I
think
we're
a
little
bit
behind
the
eight
ball
when
it
comes
to
really
reinforcing
one
of
the
things
I
was
in
in
committee
with
the
utilities
and
public
works
department
I
was
emphasizing
was
that
we
have
that
they
emphasize
safety,
because
if
you
don't
emphasize
it
in
your
employee
meetings
and
your
supervisory
meetings,
then
it
just
gets
overlooked
and
we've
had
some
experience
with
that.
K
So
I'm
you
know,
some
of
it
is
just
having
good
management,
good
supervisory
oversight,
but
another
big
part
of
it
is
training
on
how
to
deal
with
the
various
work,
practices
and
toxic
materials
that
that
employees
are
required
to
handle
and
and
then
many
many
other
things
do.
K
You
think
this
budget
gives
affords
you
the
the
monies
necessary
for
providing
very
all
those
various
kinds
of
training
that
that
are
important,
and
I
know
we're
in
a
in
a
low
budget
year,
but
mistakes
and
things
like
this
that
happen,
accidents
and
such
are
are
more
costly
down
the
road
if
we're
not
more
proactive.
So
what
how
do
you
feel
this
budget
addresses?
W
Necessary
chairman
of
ayta
councillor,
the
hill
coupler
I'd,
say
the
biggest
hindrance
in
the
budget.
Is
the
frozen
position
being
able
to
have
more
folks
to
take
in
complaints
or
to
take
in
workman's
comp
claims
to
process
all
of
the
safety
components
of
the
department
going
down
to
two
staff
members,
for
that
is,
is
a
hit
we
used
to
have
or
the
office
used
to
have
three
staff
members
and
then,
with
the
one
vacancy
being
frozen,
there's
no
anticipation
of
that
being
hired
at
this
time.
W
W
I
think
everything
is
changing
right
now,
as
we
progress
into
this
new
org
system,
newark
structure
and-
and
I
can't
acutely
say
what
what
enough
money
looks
like,
but
I
think
one
more
staff
member
would
be
critical
to
the
operations
all
right
go
ahead.
K
I'm
sure
you're
aware
that,
and
and
maybe
hopefully
it's
still
true-
that,
like
the
environmental,
the
state,
environmental
division
and
osha
and
some
of
those
organizations
do
offer
time
permitting
to
come
into
organizations
and
provide
some
of
the
regular
kinds
of
training
that
they
would
like
to
see
to
improve.
K
You
know:
workplace
safety,
and
so
those
are
some
areas
that
maybe
we
can
consult
with
that
might
offer
free
trading
or
reduced
fee
types
of
training.
I
think
you
know
there's
a
lot
out
there
that
can
be
done
and-
and
I
know
I
don't
know
about
your
contractual
services-
whether
it
can
withstand
any
more
use.
But
there
are.
K
There
are
also
training
vendors
that
do
this
for
a
living
that
can
come
in
and
I
you
know,
we've
had
some
experience
with
this
and
we
still
have
some
issues
that
haven't
been
addressed
and
I
they're
right
in
in
your
area.
So
I'm
I'm
hopeful
that
you
know
our
safety
division
can
get
a
lot
of
really
good
direction
and
get
a
lot
of
support
and
resources
to
to
to
address
safe
environments
in
the
city.
K
A
Thank
you,
councilwoman
b
hill
coupler,
following
up
on
on
that
councilwoman
vl
koppler
is
right.
This
has
been
an
area
of
focus
for
us.
Can
you
explain
either
yourself
or
ms
salazar?
What
kind
of
training
has
occurred?
Safety
training
over
the
last
year.
M
Mr
chairman,
that's
a
really
good
question.
I'd
really
like
to
commend
barbara
lujan
and
miguel
v
hill
on
the
tremendous
job
that
they've
done,
putting
together
a
training
program
and
developing
policies,
visiting
departments
on
safety
concerns,
addressing
safety
issues
having
regular
meetings
with
the
union
and
with
the
city
manager.
M
They
we.
They
worked
very
closely
with
the
santa
fe
community
college
to
provide
osha
certified
training
and
several
of
our
city.
Employees
became
osha
certified
during
the
course
of
this
last
year.
M
Thanks
to
all
the
hard
work
and
dedication
that
they
put
into
really
improving
the
safety
division
or
section
and
the
trainings
that
are
offered
to
employees
with
this
budget
in
front
of
you,
there's
approximately
two
hundred
and
nine
thousand
dollars
allocated
for
safety
training
and
I
know
miss
lujan-
is
working
very
diligently
with
some
of
those
vendors
to
begin.
The
training
she's
corresponded
through
email.
M
A
lot
of
them
are
doing
not
the
hands-on
training,
but
the
ones
that
can
be
done
virtually
she's
working
on
those
schedules,
as
well
as
also
working
on
the
hands-on
training
for
our
public
works
and
public
utilities,
departments
and
again
working
with
the
community
college.
To
also
do
that
and
mr
vigil
obtained
his
defensive
driving
certification.
M
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
up.
Is
there
a
motion
regarding
the
emergency
management
and
safety.