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B
C
B
Here,
okay,
we
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you!
Approval
of
the
agenda.
Ms
mccoy,
I
have
one
change
to
the
agenda
item.
Al
will
be
postponed.
B
However,
I
will
be
withdrawing
al
one
from
the
consent
agenda,
so
we
can
hear
that,
but
al
itself
will
be
postponed,
but
I
do
want
to
talk
about
the
bar
so
I'll.
Remove
that
under
the
consent
agenda
out
one
any
other
changes
from
staff.
B
F
B
H
Item
c:
okay,
councilwoman
lindell
items,
e
and
f
e
and
and
f
as
in
frank,
okay,.
B
And
councilman
romero
worth.
J
The
items
that
I'm
interested
in
have
also
been
pulled.
Thank
you.
B
B
F
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair
counselors,
alexis
lotero
will
be
sharing
the
presentation
with
you
today
and
I
will
be
going
over
it.
We
have
our
june
2021
gross
receipts,
update
from
the
taxation
and
revenue
department.
K
Next
slide,
please
here
we
can
see
the
distribution
of
our
gross
risk,
total
taxable
gross
receipts
by
month
for
a
three
year:
fiscal,
three
fiscal
year
period.
Here
we
can
see
that
the
gross
receipts
were
growing
significantly
year
over
year
before
the
pandemic,
and
they
started
to
grow
again.
Total
taxable
gross
receipts
for
santa
fe,
increased
1.6
from
3.4
billion
in
fy
20
during
the
height
of
the
pandemic,
to
3.45
billion
in
fy
21..
K
So
that's
the
great
news
that
we
we
have
to
share
with
you.
However,
although
the
economy,
the
economic
recovery
has
been
strong
in
recent
months,
our
total
taxable
gross
receipts,
which
is
a
data
set
that
provides
a
measure
of
business
activity
in
santa
fe,
has
yet
to
reach
the
pre-pandemic
levels
of
fy
19's
total
of
3.6
billion.
K
K
K
But
this
shows
us
here
is
our
taxable
gross
receipts
by
industry.
It's
a
comparison
of
three
fiscal
years
before
the
pandemic,
19,
20
and
21,
and
we
can
see
here
that
the
pandemic
had
an
uneven
impact
across
various
economic
sectors.
Here
in
santa
fe,
with
the
light
orange
shows,
is
in
our
leisure
and
hospitality
industries,
there
is
a
year
over
year
decline
from
19
to
20
and
20
into
21..
K
What
the
green
highlighted
sectors
show
us
is.
The
areas
like
construction,
finance
and
insurance,
professional,
scientific
and
technical
services
sectors
have
all
actually
increased
year
over
year,
even
throughout
the
pandemic,
and
the
gray
highlights
are
industries
like
education,
health
care,
real
estate,
retail
trade.
That
initially
saw
a
decline
with
the
during
the
pandemic
year
and
then
have
subsequently
recovered.
So
this
really
is
a
tale
of
an
uneven
impact
across
various
sectors
in
our
economy.
Here
in
santa
fe
next
slide,
please.
K
So
this
shows
us
total
taxable
gross
receipts
isolated
for
the
month
of
june
2019
june
2020
and
june
2021.
K
So
this
is
really
the
good
news
story
that
we
saw
in
action
throughout
the
city
over
the
summer.
So
not
only
did
june
2021
total
taxable
gross
receipts
for
santa
fe
businesses
increase
by
about
44
over
the
june
2020
levels,
but
we've
also
surpassed
our
june
2019
levels
by
about
25.
K
So
this
had
really
great
impacts
on
our
june
2021
gross
receipts,
tax
distribution
into
the
city
of
santa
fe.
We
that
june
2021
tax
distribution
totaled
about
12.5
million.
This
was
an
increase
of
about
3.1
million
over
the
prior
period
so
june
of
2020.
It
was
about
a
30
increase,
so
here
we
can
see
some
of
the
industries
that
posted
over
100
increase
from
20
to
21
are
highlighted,
accommodation
and
food
services,
arts
and
entertainment
and
recreation
as
well
as
real
estate.
So
those
industries
really
saw
year
over
year.
Strength
next
slide.
K
B
K
Of
kova
19
was
initially
very
severe
with
our
businesses
posting
about
a
half,
a
billion
dollars
in
a
revenue
loss
from
february
of
2020
throughout
january
of
2021,
and
I
guess
again
that
that
story
really
differs
by
the
economic
sectors,
as
you
saw
highlighted
in
the
tables
above
hospitality,
industries
really
have
not
recovered
to
pre-pandemic
levels,
although
we
saw
a
really
strong
performance
over
the
summer
months
and
other
industries
have
have
improved
from
20
throughout
the
pandemic
period
into
21,
but
and
have
also
shown
some
strength
over
the
summer.
K
And
finally,
other
industries
like
construction,
professional,
technical
and
scientific
have
performed
very
strong
throughout
this
three-year
period.
Next
slide,
please.
K
So
the
forecast
for
the
economic
recovery-
I
know
dr
white
has
reviewed
this
with
us
a
few
times
and
he'll
be
attending
one
of
the
upcoming
finance
committee
meetings
to
continue
to
give
the
committee
members
an
update
but
again
we're
showing
the
economic
recovery
has
been
uneven
across
industries.
The
federal
stimulus
spending
of
5
trillion
nationally
and
the
last
year
has
bolstered
our
economic
recovery
here
in
santa
fe.
The
recovery
was
really
driven
by
high
levels
of
consumer
spending,
but
that
is
starting
to
to
moderate.
K
The
economic
recovery
is
expected
to
continue
in
coming
months,
but
it
recover
at
a
more
moderate
pace
in
the
the
boom
that
we
saw
over
the
summer.
So
we
all
this
is
to
say
that
there's
still
an
uncertain
time
ahead
of
us
with
how
the
delta
variant
will
impact
our
local
economy
and
us
nationally.
K
But
we
do
understand
that
we
have
targeted
efforts
that
are
needed
to
address
those
industries
that
are
the
most
impacted
and
that's
really
where
a
good
segue
into
our
second
presentation
this
evening
on
child
care
and
other
presentations
that
the
chairman
has
requested
come
before
the
finance
committee.
To
really
understand
what
targeted
supports
the
city
of
santa
fe
as
a
municipality
can
can
present
to
our
economic
recovery.
K
C
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
director,
mccoy
for
your
presentation.
Just
had
a
question
to
understand
what
you
think
might
be
the
the
bump
in
june,
even
though
overall
accommodation
in
food
services
and
then
retail
trade,
they
were
lower
for
the
kind
of
annual
gross
trends.
C
I
don't
know
what
you
call
it
the
annual
look
outlook,
but
what
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
for
june
is
that
actually
fun
money
spent
by
locals
and
tourists
alike,
or
is
it
also
or
could
it
be
that
the
industry
is
having
to
spend?
C
How
would
I
describe
this
having
to
spend
more
money
to
accommodate
safety
standards
and
their
establishments,
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
they're
making
larger
profits
or
revenue
for
their
establishments?
Does
that
make
sense
like
they're
spending
more
money
in
order
to
try
to
make
more
money,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
industry
is
actually
doing
better,
necessarily.
K
So
what
we're
seeing
was
an
exponential
growth.
If
we
just
compare
june
of
2020
and
keep
in
mind
where
we
were
at
with
a
pandemic,
we
were
still
seeing
capacity
restrictions
at
that
time
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
last
year.
So
at
that
you
know,
april
may
june
were
all-time
low
levels
because
of
those
capacity
restrictions
in
our
economy,
and
so
when
we
as
far
as
a
recession,
goes
at
a
really
steep,
very
dramatic
decline
that
we
saw
from
the
prior
year.
K
So
as
we're
coming
out
of
this,
you
know
we
were
at
a
pretty
low
level,
so
the
industries
that
are
posting
over
a
hundred
percent
growth
that
is
pretty
spectacular,
and
so
that
is
due
to
a
mix
of
reasons
like
you're,
mentioning
some
spending
to
be
able
to
support
the
industry
and
make
investments,
but
also,
I
think,
anecdotally,
we've
seen
a
boom
in
tourism
throughout
the
economy
over
the
summer
as
the
markets
have
proceeded,
albeit
with
a
limited
capacity
as
compared
to
previous
years.
K
That's
really
driving
the
growth
in
those
sectors
and,
additionally,
consumer
spending.
You
know
five
trillion.
Dollar,
investment
throughout
the
nation
has
really
driven
consumer
spending
during
in
this
economic
recovery
period,
and
we
really
saw
that
data
on
the
first
slide
going
back
to
february
when
the
economy
really
started
to
turn
around.
So
I
think
it's
you
know
good
news
story
both
for
tourists
coming
into
our
economy.
You
know
locally,
as
well
as
our
local
consumer
spending,
seeing
a
a
big
rebound
over
the
summer
months.
K
Mr
chair
counselor,
we
are
tracking
the
numbers
and
I
can
go
ahead
and
get
you
specifics.
Some
of
the
data
that
we
were
using
to
track
this
during
the
april
may
and
june
period
of
2020
was
our
airport
data
car
rentals
out
of
the
airport,
as
well
as
the
convention
and
tourism
industry
data
that
tracks
data
in
our
hotels,
not
only
the
number
as
far
as
occupancy
goes,
but
revpar
the
revenue
per
available
room.
K
So
we
can
go
ahead
and
get
you
those
more
specific
numbers,
but
there
has
been
growth
over
that
low
level
during
the
pandemic.
At
the
beginning
of
the
summer
last
year,.
C
Good
to
know-
and
also
I
don't
know
if
we'll
get
this
information
or
win,
but
I
would
really
like
to
know
numbers
of
not
so
much
population
growth.
I
don't
know
how,
if
we'll
be
able
to
determine
that
at
this
point
in
this
juncture,
but
the
number
of
people
moving
to
santa
fe
if
there's
a
way
to
track
that.
I'm
just
really
curious.
If
we're
increasing
population
numbers
since
2020-
and
I
haven't
really
been
able
to
find
information
of
where
to
go
to
to
track
that.
K
Okay,
we'll
go
ahead
and
follow
up
with
our
staff
and
our
economist
to
see
what
information
that
they
can
put
data
that
they
can
present.
We
will
definitely
be
getting
an
update
according
to
the
census,
but
that
really
compares
a
previous.
You
know,
10
years
to
where
we're
at
now,
so
we'll
we'll
go
ahead
and
make
sure
you
get
you
have
that
data
as
it's.
C
Available
yeah,
especially
because
in
your
memo
it
says
that
you
know
prior
to
the
pandemic,
we
had
strong
population
growth
and
we
actually
didn't
have
strong
population
growth.
It
was
pretty
steady,
but
it
was
actually
very
low.
The
percentage
of
growth,
and
so
I'm
curious
how
it
will
be
changing
how
we've
seen
it
changed
since
2020,
so
just
curious
about
those
numbers.
B
Okay,
thank
you
miss
mccoy.
Our
next
presentation
is
the
state
of
children
in
new
mexico
and
santa
fe
county
and
the
benefits
of
early
care
and
education,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
think
we
are
hearing
this
is,
as
you
alluded
to
mrs
mccoy,
during
the
pandemic
and
which
we
thought
we
were
coming
out
of,
but
we
may
not
be.
B
This
was
one
area
that
was
impacted
severely,
not
just
the
child
care
centers,
but
parents
who
needed
child
care
and
then
now
that
people
thought
they
were
going
to
be
returning
back
to
work,
the
delta
variant
hits
so
this
is.
This
is
a
area
of
interest.
I
think
for
a
few
of
us,
especially
given
that
these
arpa
funds
that
may
be
coming
and
we'll
talk
a
little
more
about
that
to
the
city,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we,
as
a
finance
committee,
are
educated
on
before
you
know.
B
We
get
this
pot
of
money
as
to
where
the
the
needs
are,
and
this
may
be
an
area,
but
I,
but
we
need
to
start
with
first
of
all,
educating
ourselves.
So
thank
you
for
scheduling
this
presentation.
For
you
for
us,
with
voices
with
children,
so,
mr
v
hill,
are
you
gonna,
be
presenting.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
good
afternoon,
council
members.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
today.
L
My
name
is
jacob
vigil
and
I'm
a
research
and
policy
analyst
with
new
mexico
voices
for
children
and
my
focus
there
and
in
largely
in
my
career,
has
been
on
early
childhood
policy
policy
issues,
and
I
will
be
talking
today
about
the
state
of
children
in
new
mexico
and
locally
the
impacts
of
the
pandemic
on
child
well-being
and
then
really
focusing
on
how
early
childhood
programs,
including
child
care,
are
an
investment
that
has
been
shown
to
produce
not
only
long-term
positive
outcomes
for
children,
but
economic
returns
in
the
long
run.
L
Next
slide,
please!
So!
For
those
who
aren't
familiar
with
new
mexico
voices
for
children,
we
are
a
non-profit,
a
non-partisan
nonprofit
that
does
research
policy
and
advocacy
work
on
policy
issues
that
impact
kids
in
new
mexico,
and
so
our
mission
is
to
push
for
public
policies
that
improve
the
well-being
of
new
mexico's
kids,
families
and
communities,
and
we
mainly
work
in
the
areas
of
health,
education
and
economic
security.
L
You
might
also
know
about
us,
as
a
in
our
role
as
a
curator
of
the
kids
count
data
center,
which
every
year,
as
you
might
have
seen
on
the
news,
there's
a
ranking
that
comes
out
that
gives
sort
of
a
a
numbered
ranking
to
new
mexico
compared
to
other
states
on
on
a
number
of
metrics.
L
So
we're
the
ones
that
that
compile
that
data
and
produce
that
report,
and
so
kids
count
as
it's
a
state
by
state
a
national
effort
to
track
the
status
and
well-being
of
kids
in
the
nation
in
four
areas:
economic
well-being,
education,
health
and
family
and
community,
and
this
is
all
based
on
government
collected
data,
mostly
from
the
census
bureau,
and
it
calls
causes
attention
to
issues
and
policies
that
impact
child
well-being
in
all
the
states.
L
So,
as
you
know,
or
you
might
have
heard,
the
story
that
the
data
tell
in
new
mexico
has
not
always
been
good
for
kids,
because
the
reality
is
that
in
our
state
we
have
not
always
done
a
very
good
job
at
ensuring
adequate
opportunities
for
all
our
kids
to
thrive
and
succeed.
And
so,
as
a
result,
we're
often
struggling.
We
rank
currently
49th
in
the
nation
overall,
child
well-being
and
just
as
alarming
is
the
fact
that
we
rank
poorly
in
the
four
domain
areas.
L
I
believe
we've
improved
a
lot
in
health
in
the
last
few
years,
mostly
as
a
result
of
the
expansion
of
medicaid,
so
this
sort
of
gives
you
just
a
broad
overview
of
sort
of
the
data
that
we
work
with
and
and
how
we
sort
of
begin
our
approach
to
policy
next
slide.
Please.
L
So
here,
locally
santa
fe
county
certainly
has
not
been
immune
to
many
of
those
trends.
Over
the
last
few
years,
the
county
has
has
fared
slightly
better
than
the
state
average
in
terms
of
some
of
those
measures,
but
racial
disparities
and
par
and
the
high
poverty
rate
persist,
and
now
the
unemployment
rate,
though
it's
improving,
is
comparable
to
the
state
average,
and
here
we
have
on
this
slide
a
few
other
metrics
that
we
collect
to
give
you
a
sense
of
the
kind
of
data
that
we
track.
L
So,
as
you
can
see,
infant
mortality
in
santa
fe
was
5.9
per
thousand.
That's
slightly
higher
than
the
state
average.
L
The
death
rate
among
children
was
slightly
higher
in
santa
fe
56
per
100
000
versus
52
per
this
for
the
state,
even
though,
and
that
had
been
a
trend
that
had
been
a
trend
in
the
county
between
even
between
2019
and
2018.,
the
child
abuse
rate
santa
fe's
rate
was
lower,
but
had
increased
slightly
over
fiscal
year
2019,
while
the
states
stayed
the
same
so
in
2020
child
abuse
rates.
L
65
percent
of
births
are
to
women
without
prenatal
care
in
the
first
trimester,
so
santa
fe
fares
a
little
better
there
with
69,
but
both
the
state
and
the
county
have
just
over
three
percent
of
births
to
women
who
receive
no
prenatal
care
at
all
and
then
santa
fe
county
fared
a
little
worse
than
the
state
in
2019
and
low
birth
rate,
but
saw
a
decline
in
that
from
2018,
but
that
has
it
has
jumped
up
since
then.
So
that's
just
sort
of
a
snapshot
of
some
just
some
of
the
data.
L
We're
able
to
collect
and
report
on
on
the
on
the
on
the
state
and
local
level
gives
you
a
sense
of
what's
going
on
locally
next
slide.
L
So,
as
we
all
know,
the
pandemic
has
really
created
additional
challenges
and
financial
stress
for
our
families
and
kids.
So
here's
a
look
at
some
of
the
data
we've
gathered
over
the
last
year
on
this
count
in
new
mexico,
so
we
know
that
pediatric
visits
and
vaccinations
have
gone
down,
but
in
2020
a
year
into
the
pandemic,
46
of
adults
and
households
with
children
have
lost
employment
income
so
that
that
would
have
been
probably.
L
As
of
this
last
spring,
almost
a
third
of
parents
feel
anxious
or
stressed
a
third
report
that
they're
at
risk
of
eviction
or
foreclosure
in
the
next
two
months
and
almost
a
little
over
a
quarter
of
kids
are
projected
to
be
food
insecure
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
So
these
you
know
these
are.
These
are
trends
that
already
were
sort
of
you
know
going
on,
but
clearly
the
the
pandemic
exasperated
them,
and
we
all
know
that
you
know
these,
as
as
children
endure
these
stresses.
L
You
know
it
really
has
an
impact
on
their
on
their
development
and
their
health,
which
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
later
next
slide.
L
The
disproportionate
impacts
really
reflect
the
harsh,
long-standing
systemic
inequities,
often
stemming
from
structural
racism
that
have
existed
in
education,
employment,
housing
and
healthcare,
and
the
pandemic
has
really
aggravated
or
compounded
those
challenges
for
low-income
communities,
people
of
color
and
for
women
next
slide,
so
low
wage
jobs
are
tend
to
be
more
often
held
by
people
of
color
and
and
those
are
who
have
been
harmed
disproportionately
by
the
pandemic
and
and
the
recession.
L
We
also
know
that
native
americans
make
up
11
of
the
state,
but
30
percent
of
the
covet
cases
last
spring
and
in
contrast,
white
new
mexicans
make
up
37
percent
of
the
state,
but
only
15
percent
of
kobe
cases,
and
so
also
note,
where
is
the
noteworthy,
is
that
low-income
residents
of
mostly
non-white
communities
have
died
of
coveted
nine
times
the
rate
of
low
income
of
low-income
residents
in
largely
white
areas.
So
again,
the
the
persistence
of
racial
disparities
and
health
outcomes
have
only
been
aggravated
next
slide.
L
Please
and
finally,
in
addition
to
and
often
intersecting
with
income
and
race,
the
pandemic
has
also
caused
gender
inequities
to
grow.
So
the
data
show
that
women,
especially
women
of
color,
have
been
hit
especially
hard
and
that's
because
women
make
up
the
majority
of
the
workforce
in
fields
that
have
been
hardest
hit
by
social
discipline
and
coveted
the
public
health
and
the
restrictions,
so
industries
like
retail
child
care,
restaurants
and
other
hospitality
sectors.
L
So,
while
women
make
up
47
of
new
mexico
workers,
there
are
64
percent
of
frontline
workers,
and
so
not
only
that,
but
they
had
to
pick
up
added
responsibilities
when
schools
and
child
search
child
care
centers
closed.
So
more
mothers
and
fathers
have
lost
wages,
and
these
are
national
trends
as
well.
They've
decreased
their
work
hours
and
exited
the
labor
force
since
the
pandemic
began,
as
they
are
disproportionately
responsible
for
taking
on
child
care
and
education
responsibilities.
L
Research
shows
that
mothers
with
young
children
have
been
especially
impacted
by
these
issues
and
have
reduced
their
work
hours
four
to
five
times
more
than
fathers
and
the
gender
gap
in
work
hours
has
grown
by
20
to
50
percent
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic
next
slide.
L
There's
no
shortage
of
research
and
documentation
that
shows
the
benefits
of
ece
the
importance
of
the
earliest
years
to
lifelong
health
and
the
well-being
of
children
can't
be
overstated.
80
percent
of
brain
growth
occurs
in
the
first
three
years,
and
healthy
development
is
dependent
on
positive,
rich,
nurturing
and
consistent
interactions
with
adults.
L
So
economists,
most
notably
dr
heckman,
from
harvard
who's
who
has
been
you,
know,
sort
of
at
the
forefront
of
this
research
and
has
proliferated
in
the
last
20
years
have
found
in
the
most
recent
research
have
found
a
13
return
on
investment
for
comprehensive,
high
quality
birth
to
five
early
education,
and
then,
if
you
know,
you
can
compare
that
to
the
stock
market,
it's
better
than
the
stock
market
at
eight
percent.
L
So
we
also
know
that
child
care
for
single
mothers
who
are
pursuing
higher
ed
has
a
5.5
return
on
investment
and
increases
their
graduation
rates
by
21.
L
The
labor
incomes
of
participants
in
these
programs,
reduction
in
crime,
better
educational
outcomes
and
graduation
rates
and
the
labor
income
of
the
mothers
of
the
participants
in
programs
through
this
subsidizing,
their
child
care
and
also
rece.
We
know
that
receiving
child
care
assistance
has
been
shown
to
support
higher
employment
rates
and
job
retention,
and
that
single
mothers
were
more
likely
to
be
employed
full
time
when
they
have
access
to
child
care
subsidies
next
slide.
L
So
while
there
has
been
much
more
attention
on
these
investments
from
policymakers
in
recent
years,
we
know
the
need
for
such
programs
is
continues
to
be
pretty
great
in
new
mexico
over
a
quarter
of
our
kids
under
age.
5
are
in
poverty,
that's
about
36,
000
children
in
2017,
so
that
was
before
the
pandemic,
and
it's
one
of
the
highest
rates
in
the
nation.
42
of
all
working
families
with
kids
are
low
income.
That
means
they're.
L
They
earn
less
than
200
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level,
which
is
about
51
500,
for
a
family
of
four
and
so
clearly,
and-
and
we
know
you
know,
the
the
the
federal
poverty
level
as
a
measure
of
poverty
is,
is
very
imperfect
and
doesn't
reflect
often
regional
differences
within
the
country,
so
49,
000,
kids,
younger
than
age.
Six
in
new
mexico
live
in
families
where
at
least
one
parent
works,
full-time
and
the
family
is
still
considered
low
income.
L
So
there
you
know
so.
The
need
is
great,
but
we
also
know
that
there
are
many
barriers
for
families
in
accessing
these
crucial
programs,
which,
all
of
which
have
been
made
worse
by
the
pandemic.
So
by
fall
of
2020,
there
were
nationally
there
were
1.2
million
fewer
parents
of
school-age
kids
in
the
workforce
than
the
prior
february
and
900
000
of
those.
So
the
vast
majority
were
women
and
without
access
to
affordable,
dependable
child
care,
parents
are
more
likely,
research
shows
to
face
absences
and
other
school
disruptions
in
the
workplace
next
slide.
L
So,
just
when
families
need
it,
the
most
the
availability
of
child
care
has
taken
a
big
hit
in
the
pandemic.
The
numbers
of
families
accessing
child
care
subsidies
was
relatively
low
for
a
county,
the
size
of
santa
fe.
Before
the
pandemic.
I
believe
we
had
the
number
of
about
481
kids
receiving
child
care
subsidies.
That's
that's
much
lower
than
other
metropolitan
areas,
but
with
covid
there
was
a
steep
decline
in
capacity.
We
know
that
a
lot
of
centers
shut
down
schools
closed
and
the
decline
was
the
fourth
highest
in
the
state.
L
L
So,
in
addition
to
availability,
affordability
has
long
been
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
in
child
care.
So
it's
no
secret.
I'm
sure
a
lot
of
you
all
have
heard
that
you
know
child
care
is
expensive.
Some
of
you
probably
have
really
direct
experience
with
that,
but
and
the
numbers
play
that
out
for
single
parent
families,
41
of
monthly
income
goes
to
child
care
expenses,
which
is
about
nine
a
little
over
nine
thousand
dollars
per
year.
L
On
average,
the
annual
average
annual
cost
of
child
care
is
higher
than
a
year's
tuition
and
fees
at
a
public
university
and
so
at
about
550
per
month,
which,
which
now
I
believe,
is
higher
because
there
have
been
some
policy
changes
on
the
state
level,
but
the
average
reimbursement
rate
to
providers
was
just
a
fraction
of
the
cost
of
what
it
takes
to
provide
child
care,
especially
for
the
youngest
kids
birth
to
three.
L
So
the
field
of
child
care
has
also
been
challenging
for
those
who
provide
the
care.
The
well-trained
and
qualified
workforce
needed
to
provide
these
services
have
historically
been
chronically
underpaid,
even
as
education
and
credentialing
requirements
have
increased.
So
we
know
that
the
poverty
rate
for
early
educators
in
new
mexico,
it's
27
and
that's
more
than
two
times
higher
than
the
rate
for
new
mexico
workers
in
general,
which
is
astounding
to
me.
But
you
know,
people
in
the
field
will
tell
you
this.
L
I
mean
turn
women
predominantly
make
up
the
child
care
workforce
and
the
instability
and
the
underfunding
of
the
system
has
led
to
job
loss,
low
retention
rates,
undervalued
and
undercompensated
work
in
inadequate
benefits
to
support
themselves
and
their
own
families,
and
a
lack
of
quality
training
and
development
opportunities
that
could
help
lead
to
career
advancement
and
economic
growth
for
themselves.
L
So
that's
that
again
is
a
it's
a
chronic
issue,
and
you
know
it
it.
It's
a
it's
a
critical
issue
because
we,
as
we
seek
to
improve
the
quality
of
early
childhood
programs.
It's
really
largely
what
we're
talking
about
is
the
quality
of
the
workforce
right,
and
so,
if
we
are
continuing
to
to
push
for
the
professionalization
of
the
field,
but
wages
and
compensation
and
support
for
pursuing
that
education,
don't
keep
pace
then
it
just.
It
doesn't
continue
to
be
a
viable
option
for
workers.
L
Next
slide
so
to
wrap
up,
not
all
is
doom
and
gloom.
I
mean
the
the
reason
I'm
here
and
I'm
really
excited.
You
know:
we'd
love
to
be
able
to
to
give
these
presentations
and
to
talk
to
policymakers
and
and
folks
around
the
state,
because
we
really
do
believe
that
new
mexico
is
making
strides
and
that
there
are
really
great
opportunities
on
the
horizon.
L
L
Federal,
coveted
relief
has
brought
huge
relief
through
the
cares
act
and
the
american
rescue
plan
act.
They
have
brought
unprecedented
amounts
of
funding
and
crucial
aid
to
states
and
localities
and
directly
to
providers
to
make
sure
that
their
businesses
are
viable
and
that
you
know
states
can
can
maintain
the
infrastructure
for
these
programs
that
I've
outlined
above
and
here
on
the
state
level.
L
The
early
childhood
education
care
department
has
expanded
eligibility
to
350
percent,
the
federal
poverty
level,
which
is
huge,
and
that's
that's
a
that
is
a
policy
change
that
we
have
been
advocating
for
for
years
and
now
with
the
ability
to
do
that
and
to
raise
provider
rates.
This
will
be
sure
to
expand
child
care
to
more
families.
But
we
do
need
to
ensure
that
that
that
that
capacity
is
built
out
and
that
money
gets
to
those
who
who
really
need
it.
L
Another
positive
thing
is
that
the
governor
and
the
legislature
have
also
recognized
how
important
these
issues
are,
and
in
recent
years,
have
increased
funding
for
all
early
childhood
programs,
including
through
the
establishment
of
an
early
childhood
trust
fund
which,
as
we
know
from
recent
lfc
estimates,
is
going
to
be
bringing
a
lot
in
a
lot
more
money
than
we
had
anticipated,
and
we
also
have
on
the
horizon,
with
the
passage
of
hjr1,
a
constitutional
amendment
on
the
ballot
in
2022
to
increase
the
disbursement
from
the
land
grant
permanent
fund.
L
That
will
ensure
that
early
childhood
will
have
another
reliable
funding
source
that
isn't
as
dependent
on
volatile
fossil
fuel
income
to
the
general
fund.
So
these
are
positive
things
on
on
the
horizon
that
we
believe
really
will
address
a
lot
of
the
the
challenges
that
I've
that
I've
outlined
here
yeah,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
share
this
with
you.
I'm
here
for
questions
you
can
go
to
the
last
slide
and
I'll
include
my
email
or
send
that
to
mary
too.
If
folks
have
additional
questions
after
this.
B
F
F
Trying
to
gather
my
thoughts,
I
get
a
little
get
a
little
passion
in
here,
and
I
always
talk
about
the
challenge
of
child
care.
Is
that
you
know
we
have
the
severely
underpaid
paid
workforce,
because
it's
women's
work
for
women
to
be
able
to
work,
and
it's
just
two
things
that
are
are
very
undervalued.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
the
focus
that
you
are
bringing
to
this
issue.
F
I
did
have
a
couple
quick
questions,
so
you
had
talked
about
the
the
exodus
of
women,
primarily
women
from
the
workforce
over
covid.
Both,
I
think,
a
complete
exodus,
as
well
as
a
reduction
of
numbers,
and
I
believe
those
were
national
numbers.
Have
we
been
able
to
drill
down
and
see
what
that's
looked
like
in
new
mexico
and
as
well
as
in
the
county.
L
Yeah,
that's
a
really
good
question.
You
know
we
we
are
sort
of
constantly
tracking.
What
is
there
are
different
tools
that
the
census
uses
to
track
this,
and
some
of
them
are
more
specific
than
others.
L
So
there's
something
called
the
the
household
pulse
survey,
and
so
if
that
is
something
that
we
I
I
don't
have
those
numbers
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
think
that
we
are
actually
in
the
process
of
gathering
data
on
that
for
this
the
state
and
can
and
can
possibly
do
that
for
the
county
level
as
well.
F
Yeah,
that
would
be
great-
and
I
think,
really
really
important
to
see
and
also
the
other
side
of
this
coin,
and-
and
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
that
this
has
been
a
conversation
and
that
I've-
you
know
discussed
this
with
ms
mccoy
and
many
others-
is
this
challenge
that
we
are
seeing
with
the
recovery
in
terms
of
individuals
being
able
to
go
back
to
work
and
specifically
again,
primarily,
it's
usually
mothers
being
able
to
go
back
to
work
and
the
lack
of
availability
of
child
care
and
and
whether
there
is
a
little
bit
of
a.
F
L
Yeah
I
mean
we,
we
in
the
the
early
childhood
department
and
the
legislative
finance
committee
have,
I
believe,
the
the
numbers
that
are
often
put
out
have
have
to
do
with
sort
of
eligible
like
the
gap
between
eligible
kids
and
and
this
and
those
who
are
being
served
so
slots
that
are
filled
versus
you
know,
those
who
are
eligible,
and
so
there
yeah
there
is.
There
is
some
data
on
that.
I
think
you
would
have
to.
L
We
would
have
to
do
a
little
bit
of
extrapolating
to
find
out
like
what.
What
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
the
workers
and
who,
like
who
those
workers
are
the
breakdown
by
race
and
gender?
But
that's
that's,
definitely
something
else
that
we
can
look
into.
We
know
that
we
definitely
know
that.
You
know
the
gap
between
the
need
and
the
available
slots
has
has
really
grown.
I
think
the
early
childhood
department
recently
gave
a
presentation
on
that,
and
so
we
do
there
are.
L
You
know,
broad
numbers
on
on
that
that
just
so
you
know
how
yeah,
just
just
what
that
gap
is,
but
we
can.
We
can
certainly
look
at
drilling
down.
More
specifically
into
that.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
great
and
again
trying
to
really
get
a
picture
of
where
this,
where
the
rubber
really
meets
the
road
and-
and
I
think
you
know
when
I
spoke
to
you
earlier-
I
was
talking
about
you-
know
these
broader
return
on
investments.
We
often
talk
about
the
educational
attainment
we
talk
about
dollars
in
at
the
current.
You
know
the
current
year
for
a
family
of
somebody
being
able
to
work
with
affordable
child
care,
but
also
looking
at
kind
of
some
of
these
broader
societal
impacts.
F
F
From
kind
of
this,
this
holistic
view
of
our
community
of
what
does
it
mean
for
child
care
and
again
this
idea
that
women
working
is
actually
and
parents
working
is
actually
really
crucial
to
a
lot
of
parts
of
our
economy,
as
well
as
our
community
and
the
quality
of
life
and
that
exploration
for
for
how
it
benefits
the
kids,
how
it
benefits
the
parents,
as
well
as
how
it
benefits
the
community
as
a
whole,
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
work
that
you
guys
are
are
looking
at,
and
I
look
forward
to
some
of
the
information
that
that
I
know
is
forthcoming.
F
F
Knowing
that's
what's
happening
with
some
of
the
non-profits,
and
I
don't
expect
you
to
have
an
answer
right
now
jacob
I
I
understand
this
is
kind
of
a
more
thoughtful
question
that
I'd
like
to
get
a
follow-up
on,
but
where
are
there
opportunities
for
the
city
to
really
identify
opportunities
for
us
to
assist
with
this
problem?
Where,
where
can
the
role
of
a
municipality
be?
Because
I
know
the
state
is
going
to
be
bringing
in
different
things
and
there's
there's
different
areas
that
we
can
be
looking
at?
F
We
can
look
at
the
economic
development
aspect.
We
are
already
doing
some
of
the
experimentation
with
universal
guaranteed
income
for
certain
populations,
and
I
would
be
really
interested
to
hear
again
again.
I
don't
expect
a
full-fledged
answer
right
now,
or
maybe
even
partial
answer
right
now
of
where
voices
is
seeing.
These
opportunities
for
municipalities
to
make
one-time
investments
in
this
area
to
assist
with
coveted
recovery,
assist
with
the
economic
recovery
and
assist
with
with
the
support
of
families
who
are
really
coming
out
of
this
exceptionally
challenging
year.
F
That
you
had
already
mentioned,
really
only
exacerbated
a
problem
that
was
already
pretty
insidious
and
persistent.
So
not
sure
if
you
have
anything
to
add
to
that
at
the
moment.
But
if,
if
not
a
follow-up
and
would
be
wonderful,.
L
Yeah
certainly-
and
I
I
I
believe
that
is,
that
is
something
we
are
really
we're-
really
eager
to
follow
up
and
continue
this
conversation
with
you
all.
We
know
that
there
are
other
stakeholders
and
partners
that
we
work
with
in
the
state
who
definitely
have
a
really
great
insight
into.
L
You
know
that
that
could
really
address
that
question
in
a
in
a
in
a
more
comprehensive
way,
and
so
I,
the
way
I
see
it
is
kind
of
where
we're
part
of
this
sort
of
constellation
of
stakeholders
who
can
who
can
work
with
you
all
to
develop
those
those
solutions
and
those
the
answers
to
those
questions
in
a
way
that
is
really
responsive
to
and
and
reflective
of
what
the
need
is
and
what's
going
on
there
in
in
the
county
and
yeah.
L
So
certainly
that
will
be
a
group
effort,
and
I
I
know
you
know
one
thing
that
you
know
as
the
state
is
looking
to
invest
these
funds.
I
know
that
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
well,
first
of
all
I
mean
we,
we
see
early
childhood
as
a
sort
of
a
comprehensive.
L
We
don't
like
to
look
at
it
in
a
siloed
format,
right:
it's
not
just
child
care.
There's,
there's
home
visiting,
there's,
there's
mental
health
there's
health
services,
so
it's
sort
of
looking
at
it
comprehensively,
but
also
you
know
identifying
on
on
a
more
granular
level
like
where
the
the
disparities
and
the
gaps
in
in
need
are.
L
As
you
said,
that
will
be
an
important
part
of
the
work,
but
also
making
sure
that
investments
are
are
are
done
in
a
strategic
way,
so
that
you
know
so
that
this
one-time
funding
can
really
have
an
impact
down
the
road
and
so
one
one
way
that
I'll
throw
out
there-
and
I
know
we'll-
probably
talk
more
about
this,
but
but
investing
in
the
workforce
and
and
the
quality
and
the
training
and
the
education
of
the
workforce
so
that
they
can
continue
to
to
to
have
these
jobs
and
have
it
be
viable
and
to
be
providing
quality
services.
F
Yeah,
absolutely
absolutely
I've
definitely
heard
the
challenges
in
that
area
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
for
highlighting
that
again.
I
could
spend
hours
talking
about
this,
so
in
order
to
not
make
our
finance
meeting
go
until
midnight,
because
I
want
to
talk
about
child
care,
I
will
go
ahead
and
yield
the
floor
for
now,
but
again,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
for
this
presentation
and
for
your
work
in
this
area.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
and
thank
you
colleague,
councilwoman
cassette
for
your
passion.
I
appreciate
that
you
think
about
these
things,
often
and
especially
because
you
have
a
young
child
and
I
think
that's
important
reflection
of
what
we
need
on
the
council.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
b
hill,
for
your
work
and
just
very
appreciative
of
voices
for
children
and
just
new
mexico.
C
Voices
for
children
has
been
such
an
important
asset
and
resource
for
for
my
work
and
my
other
job
with
newmexicowomen.org
we've
been
able
to
extract
some
of
your
data
to
help
us
make
a
case
for
the
work
we
do
and
also
we
presented
at
some
of
your
some
of
your
conferences.
So
I
really
appreciate
that.
I
think
for
me.
I
just
I
guess
I
was
more
like
comments
more
than
questions,
but
I
was
happy
to
hear
about
the
raising
provider
rates
and
expanding
eligibility.
C
C
I
think
what
I'm
interested
in
is
also
what
my
colleague
said
about
how
to
utilize
funds
at
the
municipal
level
and
what
that
could
look
like
with
the
american
rescue
plan
act
funds,
and
I
guess
I'm
thinking
more,
not
just
one-time
approaches
but
like
systemic
investments
for
long-term
supports,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
looks
like.
But
and
if
you
have
a
perspective,
that
would
be
great.
C
I
just
think
we
need
to
think
about
that
more
holistically
and
even
though
it's
just
a
one-time
funding
source
over
three
years,
it's
important
to
think
about
like
systemic
investments
and
how
we
can
support
that
within
a
municipal
level
or
if
there's
something
we
need
to
advocate
for
more
at
the
state
level.
I
would
love
to
know
more
about
that
as
well.
L
Yeah,
I
I
certainly
agree.
I
I
think
that
that
one
of
the
great
things
about
this
last
round
of
funding
through
the
arpa
is,
is
that
it
allows
localities,
broad
flexibility
with
the
with
this
funding,
and
so
there
is
there's
a
lot
of
discretion
there.
We
are
connected
to
a
number
of
national
sort
of
think
tanks
and
networks
that
do
this
kind
of
work
nationally,
and
so
what
I've
been
consulting
with
the
center
online,
the
center
on
law
and
social
policy
clasp.
L
They
produce
a
lot
of
research
on
this
and
work
in
other
states,
and
so
you
know
working
with
them
and
others
to
find
out
how
what
what?
What
are
other
localities
municipalities
doing
with
this
funding?
What
can
they
do?
What
parameters
are
there
things
like
that?
So
that's
something
we'll
will
certainly
be
able
and
willing
and
available
to
to
work
with
you
all
all
on,
and
I
I
definitely
agree
about
olay
I
think
they're.
L
C
Thank
you
and
then
the
other
piece
I
kept
thinking
about
as
they
are
reviving
the
or
the
governor
has
revived
the
commission
on
the
status
of
women.
They
were
always
in
the
past
a
resource
for
data
gathering
or
at
least
sharing
it
in
a
way
that
would
be
helpful
for
different
departments
or
agencies
throughout
the
state.
C
So
we
want
to
work
in
my
other
job
capacity
to
work
with
them
to
try
to
figure
out
what
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
should
highlight,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
like
a
concerted
effort
between
you
and
maybe
the
commission
on
the
status
of
women.
So
I'm
I'm
particularly
interested
in
how
that
how
this
pandemic
has
exacerbated
issues
as
it
relates
to
women
and
girls,
and
so
I
appreciate
that
you
had
slides
that
focused
on
that.
I
I
did
think
I
don't.
I
guess
I
wasn't
sure.
C
Counselor
cassette
talked
about
it,
but
there
was
specific
data
related
to
santa
fe
county,
though
right
as
it
relates
to,
let's
see
women
women
part
of
the
workforce,
or
was
it
was
she
referring
to
something
else?
I'm
trying
to
remember
now.
L
C
Oh,
I
think
I'm
looking
at
the
slide
about
covid19
has
caused
gender
inequities,
and
I
think
that
was
mexico
numbers.
So
that's
right
and
then
so
I
guess
the
request
was
to
look
at
it
from
more
granular.
That's
been
okay,
just
making
sure
I
understood
that
other
than
that
just
helpful
to
have
this
kind
of
information,
so
we
can
make
informed
decisions
about
next
steps,
whether
it's
funding
or
even
just
when
we
have
this
information,
and
our
women's
commission
brings
up
issues
like
this.
C
We
actually
have
a
background
to
understand
that
there's
issues
and
what
they
bring
up
forth
and
recommendations
will
be
supported
by
probably
a
lot
of
the
data
that
you
all
present.
So
thanks
again
and
look
forward
to
more
data
around
santa
fe
county
and,
if
possible,
I
don't
know
if
you
all
get
to
the
city
level.
I
think
I've
only
seen
that
the
county,
though,
is
that
correct.
L
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
vihil,
for
being
here
and
for
your
work
with
voices
for
children
very
important
organization,
doing
important
advocacy
data
gathering
and
you
know
helping
with
the
information-
that's
needed
to
form
the
policy
to
solve
some
of
these
problems,
and
I
agree
with
councilwoman
villarreal
that
you
know
we
need
to
be
looking
at
some
of
the
systemic
issues.
J
I
in
your
last
slide,
where
you
talked
about
funding,
maybe
it's
an
old
slide,
but
definitely
I'm
sure
you're
aware
that
that
the
state
will
have
something
like
1.4
billion
dollars
in
new
money,
and
I
assume
that
you'll
be
strategizing
about
how
some
of
that
money
can
be
employed
to
solve
some
of
these
problems
or
to
to
lend
assistance.
J
So
certainly
want
to
point
that
out
to
the
finance
committee
that
those
are
incredible
numbers
at
the
state
level,
and
I'm
wondering
I
guess
if,
besides
looking
at
funding,
do
you
guys
get
into
looking
at
what
barriers
are
created
in
other
ways,
for
instance,
maybe
the
way
we
do
what
we
require
of
child
care
providers
in
terms
of
being
able
to
start
businesses
do.
Do
you
look
at
you
know
what
it
takes
to
be
that
kind
of
a
business
small
business
provider?
J
That
kind
of
thing-
and
you
know
maybe
that's
a
place
where,
at
the
municipal
level,
we
can
be
putting
some
energy
and
just
curious
if,
if
that
is
below
your
radar
part,
you
know
part
of
an
expanding
work
plan
or
you
know,
can
we
use
you
as
a
research
as
a
resource
in
that
area?.
L
Yeah,
that's
a
really
good
question
that
that
issue.
I
know
that
we
we
work
really
closely
with
a
number
of
partners
who,
I
think,
are
a
lot
more
tuned
into
those
issues.
I
know
that
the
provider
community
has
a
number
of
great
sort
of
associations
and
groups
that
that
really
that
really
work
on
their
behalf
and
talk
and
think
more
about
sort
of,
like
you
know,
issues
of
capacity
and
professional
development
and
licensing
regulations.
Things
like
that.
L
I
know
that
nmaec,
the
association
for
early
childhood
educators
is,
is
big
on
that
front
and
our
friends
at
growing
up
new
mexico
are
also
really
tuned
into
that
that
we
at
voices,
don't
don't
work
a
whole
lot
in
in
those
areas.
L
I
think
you
know
our,
but
but
everything
we
do
we
we
really
do
in
coalition
and
there's
you
know
we,
we
look
for
ways
to
really
sort
of
bolster
and
amplify
our
collective
effort
around
you
know,
from
from
the
state
level
and
advocating
for
funding
and
the
budgets
all
the
way
down
to
you
know
what
are
what
are
some
of
the
barriers
and
the
needs
on
this
on
the
on
the
local
level.
L
So
I
so
I
think,
like
some
of
our
partners,
would
have
more
to
say
about
those
those
specific
barriers
or
challenges
or
opportunities,
but
we're
yeah.
I
I
I
believe
that
they're
also
going
you
know
going
to
be
involved
in
in
in
these
conversations
and
speaking
with
you
all.
J
Great
all
right.
Well,
I
appreciate
that,
and
thank
you,
mr
chairman
and
councilwoman
cassette,
for
thinking
about
this
issue,
and
you
know
starting
to
develop
some
of
the
background
that
we
need,
as
we
think,
about
how
we
at
this
level,
add
value
in
in
trying
to
solve
some
of
these
really
really
tough
issues
so
appreciate
it.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
B
Thank
you
and
obviously,
there's
a
crossover
into
our
quality
of
life
committee
and
a
lot
of
these
issues
really
need
to
come
and
recommendations
should
come
out
of
there.
But
before
we
end
this
evening
under
matters
of
the
chair.
One
thing
I
do
want
to
spend
a
little
time
on
mary
is
miss.
Mccoy
is
talking
about
these
arpa
funds
and
how
we,
as
a
finance
committee,
are
gonna.
B
What
role
we're
gonna
have
in
the
recommendations
that
come
out
of
this,
and
I
know
we
only
have
one
other
meeting
in
september,
not
till
the
20th.
B
I
don't
know
what
the
timeline
is
going
to
be
for
this,
and
so
there
may
be
a
need
to
either
have
more
finance
committee
meetings
or
have
a
subcommittee
of
the
finance
committee
start
kind
of
working
on
a
plan
for
for
how
we
do
this
and
what
should
be
the
because
we're
going
to
get
we're
going
to
get
asked
by
by
different
organizations
and
different
industries
for
part
of
this
money
and
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
not
just
as
a
finance
committee,
ultimately
as
a
governing
body,
how
we
distribute
these
funds,
and
so,
but
as
the
finance
committee,
we
obviously
are
going
to
have
a
major
role,
because
that's
that's
what
we're
we're
appointed
to
do
so.
B
We'll
have
that
discussion
towards
the
end
of
the
evening
under
matters
from
the
chair.
But
with
that.
Thank
you,
mr
vigil.
I
appreciate
the
the
presentation
and
I'm
sure
you'll
be
making
more,
if
not
to
this
committee,
to
our
quality
of
life
committee
for
sure.
So
thank
you
appreciate
it.
Thank.
B
Let's
go
ahead
and
move
to
the
first
item
that
was
removed
from
the
consent
calendar,
which
is
item
c,
a
request
for
approval
of
the
agreement
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
american
traffic
solutions,
inc,
doing
business
as
vera
mobility
for
providing
equipment
and
services
for
the
santa
fe
traffic
operations
program,
councilwoman,
cassette.
F
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
chair,
so
I
I
do
have
a
number
of
questions
and
discussion
points
with
this
contract.
I
think
one
of
the
first
things
you
know
we
had
had
this
contract
brought
to
us.
F
I
don't
know
when
that
happened
earlier
this
year
and
then
right
now.
The
only
difference
that
I'm
seeing
in
the
contract
is
essentially
that
the
number
of
cameras
has
been.
F
M
Mr
chair
councillor,
cassid,
there's
a
couple
of
changes
that
were
made
in
this
contract
after
we've
received
follow
from
the
quality
life
committee,
but
if
I
may
I'd
like
to
take
it
over
to
director
ochoa
and
chief
padilla,
real
quick,
just
kind
of
do
a
broad
overview
of
where
we
stand
with
the
current
contract.
The
kind
of
you
know
and
why
it's
important
for
us
to
move
forward
if
that
is
okay
with
everyone.
N
Sure
thank
you
dc
valdez,
mr
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
start
by
framing
the
issue.
Yes,
we
are
back
again
we're
also
back
again
in
a
very
new
context,
since
the
pandemic
began
nationally
and
here
locally
and
speeding
is
way
up,
dangerous
driving
is
way
up,
and
so
the
the
acuity
of
the
problem
is
is
really
intensified.
N
Right
now-
and
I
know
the
counselors
know
this
because
of
the
number
of
constituents
that
are
reaching
out
around
these
issues
right
now,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
is
that
new
mexico
remains
number
one
in
traffic
fatalities
in
the
country
that
our
our
rates
are
very
high,
almost
in
some
cases
twice
as
high
as
the
national
average,
and
so
you
know,
I
think
it's
an
important
larger
context
and
chief
padilla
has
some
information
about.
N
You
know
locally
what
we're
seeing
that
I
think
will
be
helpful
as
as
you
all
weigh
in
on
on
this
decision,
and
certainly
we
dc
valdez
is
prepared
to
answer
all
detailed
questions
about
the
contract.
But
I
think
it
was
just
important
to
state
that
that
we're
in
a
different
moment
now
than
we
were
when
we
first
brought
this
to
to
you
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
chief
padilla.
O
Thank
you,
director,
ochoa
and
good
evening,
mr
chair
and
council
members.
Yes,
it's
very
important
that
we're
hearing
this
topic
again
today,
I
think,
leading
up
to
the
pandemic.
Yes,
you
guys
have
had
and
heard
different
variations
of
the
contract
with
the
pandemic.
We've
only
seen
that
increase
of
this
concern
rise
even
more
with
more
people
working
at
home.
That
means
what
the
roadways
have
turned
into
drag
strips
or
roadways
where
people
are
were
heavily
traveling
back
and
forth
to
work
or
child
care
or
getting
out
to
the
movies
shopping.
O
We
as
a
police
department
are
stretched
thin
and
I
think
you
guys
can
agree
to
that
with
any
other
department
within
the
city
or
director,
regina
wheeler,
who
works
with
the
streets.
Here's
the
complaints
going
into
there,
the
request
of
speed,
humps
or
speed,
display
signs,
we're
constantly
hearing
those
numbers
or
if
it's
constituent,
services
handling
those
crm
requests
of
just
over
the
last
several
months,
there's
been
68.
Complaints
that
have
come
on
in
regarding
the
concerns
of
speeding,
loud
mufflers,
drag
racing.
Now
is
the
time
to
act
capacity.
O
We
can't
guarantee
that
we
can
have
an
officer
on
every
street
every
street
corner
focusing
on
speeding
in
a
perfect
world.
I
think
we
could
all
agree.
If
that
was
our
only
concern,
we
could
definitely
have
a
grip
and
a
handle
on
it.
We
want
to
engage
in
community
policing.
We
want
to
see
our
officers
on
the
roadways
that
are
state
rotaries,
where
we
can't
deploy
these
devices.
B
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Well,
the
first
one
was
just
to
highlight
what
what
changed
in
the
contracts
as
a
starting
point
just
for
our
understanding,
because
we
did
have
some
requests,
I
would
be
interested
to
hear
what
what
those
changes
were
from
the
last
iteration
of
the
contract
that
we
saw
a
couple
months
ago
to
now.
M
M
We
do
feel
that
if
there's
two
there's
going
to
be
a
greater
need
for
it,
so
at
some
point
we'll
have
to
come
back
and
request
to
get
an
additional
two,
or
maybe
even
four
at
that
point,
but
the
number
that
we
need
is
going
to
just
be
based
on
what
the
needs
are
for
the
city
where
it
talks
about
decommissioning
them.
For
example,
if
we
were
to
get
10
devices,
the
amount
of
devices
we're
able
to
decommission
could
only
be
half
of
that.
M
M
So
that's
the
first
item
for
those
ones.
The
two
of
the
changes
on
the
contract
include
the
change
of
the
term.
So,
on
the
initial
contract
that
was
presented
back
in
january,
the
initial
term
was
18
months
for
the
first
portion
of
it.
You'd
have
two
additional
terms
of
one
year
and
then
the
last
one
would
be
six
months
for
a
total
contract
term
of
four
years.
M
M
The
last
portion
was
on
the
collections
for
fees
that
are
sent
that
are
in
default.
So
if
someone
gets
a
violation,
they
don't
pay
it.
There's
fees
associated
with
that,
and
we
were
due
at
that
point,
thirty
percent
of
whatever
was
collected
to
be
paid
to
the
vendor
for
the
fifty
dollar.
Fine,
there
was
no
additional
charge
to
the
city.
If
it's
a
hundred
dollar
fine,
it
would
be
an
additional,
I
believe,
two
hours
50
cents.
M
We
work
with
the
vendor
to
make
it.
So
if
there
are
collections
due
for
the
fifty
dollar
fund
or
the
hundred
dollar
fine,
then
it
would
be
a
twenty
percent
charge
on
the
fees
that
are
collected.
M
What
that
does
for
us
is
the
city
will
not
own
any
additional
fees
if
it
does
go
to
collections,
so
we
were
able
to
resolve
that
issue.
So
the
big
two
changes
are
the
terms
of
the
contract,
the
changes
of
the
collection
fees
and
then
the
thing
that
changed
materialistically
in
the
contract
would
be
the
offering
of
those
handle
devices.
Those
were
the
the
big
changes
of
the
contract
that
are
different
from
the
one
that
we
are
presenting
today
versus
the
one
in
january.
F
M
Mr
chair
castler
cassette,
so
again
you
give
us
a
direction
if
this
is
approved,
it's
gonna
be
approved
for
the
four
year
term.
If
we
again
we're
going
to
be
given
updates
monthly
on
the
status
of
the
program
to
say,
hey,
is
it
working?
Here's
the
information
that
we
are
to
provide
per
the
ordinance?
It's
not
all-inclusive.
M
So
if
there's
additional
information
that
we
are
able
to
derive
from
that
to
provide
to
make
sure
that
we
all
have
the
information
that
we
need,
that
can
be
provided
and
if,
at
some
point
you
say,
hey
look
we're
two
years
in
and
we
see
that
there's
been
a
reduction
in
citations,
and
maybe
we
don't
need
this
program
anymore.
At
that
point,
you
can
give
us
a
direction
saying:
hey
look.
M
M
At
that
point,
we
would
go
through
the
contract
provisions
of
terminating
the
contract
and
ending
our
service
with
the
contractor.
F
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like
it
will
take
a
active
of
legislation
for
the
city
council
to
terminate
this
contract
is
what
I'm
hearing
am
I
correct.
M
Mr
chair
kessler,
kas
said
not
necessarily.
If
again,
you
guys
give
the
direction
to
the
city
manager
or
the
mayor
saying
hey.
We
don't
really
like
this
and
we
want
this
to
come
to
an
end.
You
guys
can
let
us
know,
and
at
that
point
you
would
inform
us
that
we
could
serve
those
documents
to
the
contractor
and
it
just
have
to
be
within
the
terms
of
the
contract.
Once
that
comes.
N
Mr
chair,
if
I'm
a
counselor
cassette,
you
know
we
take
the
contract,
monitoring
and
management
very
seriously
in
the
community
health
and
safety
department.
We
look
at
the
deliverables,
we
look
at
you
know
feedback
and
we
also
can
elect
after
one
year
to
think
of
the
one-year
period
as
a
time
period.
N
Where
we're
looking
at
the
effectiveness
of
the
program-
and
you
know
we
don't
consider
a
four-year
contract-
an
automatic
sort
of
going
forward
for
four
years,
we're
looking
at
the
data
that
comes
in,
we
would
expect
the
data
to
show
increased
citations
at
the
beginning
of
a
contract
period
and
ultimately,
we'd
like
to
see
reduced
citations
as
we
move
forward,
because
we
think
that
once
the
community
becomes
aware
that
we're
taking
speeding
and
enforcement
of
speeding
very
seriously,
we'll
see
a
change
in
behavior,
as
we
have
with
some
of
the
special
operations
that
are
that
go
out,
but
we'll
just
be
able
to
do
so
in
a
more
consistent
fashion.
N
So
you
know,
I
think,
if
staff
is
not
seeing
an
impact,
there's
no
sense
in
investing
in
something
that
that
is
not
making
an
impact
and
we're
happy
to
give
regular
updates.
As
dc
velvet
has
mentioned
as
well.
F
Thank
you
very
much
director
ochoa
and
I
think
both
your
presentation
at
the
beginning,
as
well
as
as
that
response
leads
to
some
of
my
my
broader
questions
and
potential
concerns
with
how
this
is
being
presented
at
the
moment,
and
I
think
you
know,
we
all
know
that
the
ultimate
goal
is
not
necessarily
number
of
citations
and
in
the
memo
it
really
talked
about
how
effective
this
program
was
before
based
on
number
of
citations.
F
But
in
the
end,
that's
not
our
goal.
We
don't.
We
don't
want
to
give
more
tickets,
we
want
to
stop
speeding
and
we
want
to
stop
any.
You
know
potential
crashes
that
are
caused
by
speeding
and
what
I'm
really
curious
about
is
how
we
are
going
to
evaluate
this
program.
F
How
this
program
would
be
evaluated
in
terms
of
you
know:
is
it
just
a
reduced
number
of
citations
or
at
that
point,
how
are
people
avoiding
these
areas
and
taking
different
routes,
because
they
know
that
a
speed
camera
is
is
here
and
and
are
we
really
looking
at
the
number
of
crashes,
how
many
crashes
are
really
caused
by
speeding,
as
opposed
to
texting,
drunk
driving,
running
red
lights,
running,
stop
signs
and
presenting
that
information
as
the
impetus
for
why
we
think
speed
cameras
are
really
going
to
be
addressing
these
issues,
because,
again,
that
ultimate
goal
is
reducing
speeding
and
reducing
unsafe
results,
or
you
know,
crashes,
fatal
crashes
due
to
speeding
that
the
speed
cameras
would
actually
address.
F
So
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
both
the
the
evaluation
as
well
as
as
as
this,
what
data
do
we
have?
That's
really,
you
know
supporting
not
just
what's
happening
on
the
ground,
but
really
the
outcomes
that
we're
looking
for
and
why
we
think
that
this
is
a
solution
for
those
outcomes.
Does.
N
That
make
sense-
yes,
mr
chair
council,
cassette
I'll
start
and
I
think
dc
valdez
can
can
take
over.
As
I
mentioned,
you
know,
the
ultimate
measure
of
one
of
the
ultimate
indicators
of
success
here
will
be
a
reduction
in
traffic
fatalities.
N
You
know
we
know
from
center
for
disease
control
that
a
third
of
all
traffic
fatalities
are
caused
by
speeding
that
best
practices
involve.
You
know
not
only
education
around
drunk
driving
and
our
dwi
programs,
which
we
do
because
that's
another
third
of
of
all
deaths
caused
by
in
traffic
fatalities,
but
speed
reduction
programs
are
best
practice.
So
I
think
when
we
look
start
to
look
at
evaluation,
we
need
to
look
at
changes
in
fatalities
and
injuries
over
time
that
are
connected
to
speeding.
N
M
We
were
after
about
three
fatal
car
crashes
a
year
during
that
time,
and
I'm
going
to
kick
it
over
here
in
a
bit
to
captain
tapia,
because
he
has
that
data
right
now
to
let
you
know
kind
of
the
impact.
When
we
saw
this
program
chrome
go
close
in
2014
we
saw
that
there
was
an
increase
in
speed,
related
fatal
car
crashes.
A
big
reason
why
this
item
was
brought
back
to
the
forefront
in
2017
by
the
counselors
at
the
time
was
because
they're
seeing
an
increase
in
those
types
of
crashes
occurring.
M
So
that's
what
brought
us
to
where
we
are
today.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
ask
if
captain
topic
can
share
some
of
that
data
that
he
has
on
hand
concerning
the
data
when
we
had
the
program
and
how
many
crashes
that
were
fatal
crashes
are
occurring
and
what's
currently
happening
now
in
the
area
of
fetal
car
crashes,.
A
Mr
chair
and
counselors,
I
did
look
at
the
data
during
the
time
period
2009-2013
and,
as
the
deputy
chief
said,
we
did
begin
that
period
with
three
fatalities.
We
did
have
an
increase
in
2011
and
in
2012
it
started
decreasing
again
in
2013.
A
A
In
2020
we
had
nine
fatal
car
collisions,
and
this
year
we
already
have
six
fatalities
this
year
at
our
at
this
point,
with
one
happening
this
past
weekend,
I
do
see
a
correlation
with
the
program
to
where
it
changes
behavior.
It
gains
a
voluntary
compliance
to
where,
just
as
when
we
all
myself
included,
see
a
police
car
on
the
road.
What
do
we
do?
We
look
down
and
we
check
our
speed.
A
These
speed
devices
can
do
the
same
benefit
in
getting
people
to
change
their
behavior
and
check
their
speed
when
they're
traveling
on
common
roadways,
where
we
may
deploy
these
as
well
as
it
gives
my
traffic
officers
more
time
to
focus
on
the
higher
travel
roadways
where
these
devices
would
not
be
allowed
and
just
to
go
with
a
little
bit
more
data
out
of
the
68
complaints
that
the
chief
mentioned.
We
currently
have
23
active
constituent
complaints
that
the
traffic
division
are
trying
to
address
and
with
23
complaints.
A
On
part
of
our
proposal,
we
do
have
nine
out
of
those
23
that
were
on
the
top
of
our
list
of
deployment
areas,
with
only
four
of
these
23
being
on
roadways
that
this
device
could
not
be
deployed
on.
That
would
allow
these
traffic
officers
to
focus
on
those
four
roadways
more
of
their
time
than
on
the
side,
roads
and
if
you
guys
have
any
other
further
questions
with
data.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
those.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Captain
topi.
I
do
appreciate
it.
Sorry,
I'm
plugging
the
computer,
so
in
terms
of
the
fatalities
are
these
fatalities
that
are
that
are
attributed
to
speeding
and
not
to
other
issues
like
drunk
driving
driving
under
the
influence
of
other
substances
running
red
lights
is
it
is
speeding
that
is
the
primary
or
only
cause
of
that
accident,
or
are
there
other
factors
that
are
included
there.
A
Mr
chair
counselor
cassette
I
I
would
have
to
analyze
the
data
a
little
bit
more,
but
with
a
motor
vehicle
collision
speed.
A
lot
of
times
is
a
factor
in
great
bodily
injury
or
death.
The
faster
vehicles
are
going,
the
more
the
higher
the
likelihood
of
injury
or
death,
but
at
this
time
I
don't
have
the
specific
data
to
analyze
the
recent
years
with
the
contributing
factors
so.
F
That
would
that
would
be
really
helpful.
I
think
to
look
at
you
know
what
are
all
the
different
factors
here.
You
know
how
many
are
due
to
running
red
lights.
You
know
if
you
have
a
drunk
driver,
who's,
driving,
really
fast
and
runs
a
red
light
and
again
just
you
know
really
looking
for
what
are
the
different
solutions
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
here.
So
I
I
would
really
appreciate
some
follow-up
on
that
data.
As
this
moves
through
committee.
N
Mr
chair
counselor
cassette,
if
I
could
just
add
that
we
can
provide
that
data,
I
think
the
national
data
and
the
body
of
study
on
on
fatalities
and
craft
and
traffic
accidents
indicates
that
one-third
is
caused
by
speed.
One-Third
tends
to
be
caused
by
drunk
driving
and
the
wrath
one-third
is
kind
of
an
array.
So
there's
no
reason
to
think
it
may
not
be
true
for
each
year
and
each
of
the
fatalities.
N
F
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
additional
info
information
and
you
said
that's
cdc
data
cara.
Yes,
thank
you
so,
and
then
I
get,
I
guess
another
another.
One
of
those
questions
is
you
know
the
other
speed
control
measures.
How
do
they
compare
to
speed
cameras
that
provide
citation?
So
the
videos
telling
you
how
fast
your
speed
is
things
that
we
build
into
the
road
through
the
built
environment?
How
do
those
compare
in
terms
of
reduction
of
speed?
What
is
the?
F
What
did
the
study
show
us
as
opposed
to
the
speed
cameras
that
provide
automatic
citations.
M
Also
here
in
ortiz
middle
school,
pretty
much
every
morning
for
the
first
couple
of
weeks
and
a
lot
of
people
frankly,
they're
just
not
paying
attention.
They'll
drive,
35
40
miles
an
hour
and
15
in
the
school
zone,
and
without
that
stimulus
either
someone
walking
to
the
road
going
to
the
side
and
then
shown
in
the
speed,
monitor,
saying,
hey,
you're,
doing
45
and
a
15
and
the
fine.
Is
this
we're
not
going
to
change
that
behavior
with
these
devices
there
is
going
to
be
again
visible
signs.
M
They
may
see
a
flash
from
a
camera
as
well
if
they
are
in
violation
and
then
they
get
that
notice
in
the
mail
and
we
want
to
do.
Is
we
want
to
change
that
behavior
without
changing
that
behavior?
Then
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
number
of
things
that
can
happen
with
this.
This
again
is
just
one
tool:
it's
not
going
to
solve
all
the
challenges
that
we
face
with
traffic
safety,
but
again
what
it
does
is.
M
It
provides
us
something
to
start
addressing
some
of
the
issues
and
the
vast
majority
of
the
concerns
that
do
come
into
the
department
are
surrounding
speed.
Recently,
spin
noise,
but
very
seldom
do
we
have
calls
about
hey,
someone's
driving
without
a
seat
belt
or
someone's
driving
on
a
cell
phone.
They
probably
saved
concerns
of
hey
this
person's
weaving
on
the
lane,
looks
like
they're,
impaired
or
someone's
driving
very
fast
or
reckless,
or
they
went
through
a
red
light.
M
So
anecdotally,
that's
that's
the
data
that
we
do
have
for
us
to
get
down
to
the
the
facts
of
what
is
this
going
to
do?
What's
the
metrics,
you
know,
I
think,
with
the
metrics
we're
going
to
be
seeing
is
the
constituent
complaints.
How
many
are
coming
in
again
we're
not
going
to
have
a
gotcha
moment
we're
gonna,
let
everyone
know
where
these
are
at.
We
want
them
to
know
they're
deployed.
We
want
to
change
that
behavior.
We
want
to
be
lasting,
behavior
changes.
M
You
can
be
paying
a
bit
more
attention
than
watching
your
speed
in
those
areas
and
that's
the
behavior
change
we're
looking
for.
We
want
people
to
know
these
devices
are
here.
If
you
are
speeding
again,
we're
looking
at
violations
are
not
being
issued
until
they're
going
10
miles
over
the
speed
limit,
which
is
quite
a
bit
of
speed,
especially
we're
looking
at
a
residential
area.
Most
are
25
when
you
get
to
the
realm
of
35
miles
per
hour,
that's
where
the
risk
of
a
fatal
car
crash
exists
for
pedestrians
versus
vehicles.
M
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
change
behavior
again.
This
is
one
tool,
that's
not
going
to
solve
all
of
our
challenges,
but
this
is
one
way
for
us
to
do
it
and
it
allows
us
to
do
so
with
the
current
capacity
we
have,
but
to
get
down
to
metrics.
We
want
to
look
at.
I
think
that's
a
good
discussion.
We
can
have
to
say
here's
what
we
want
to
measure
the
success
on.
You
know.
Let's
look
at
our
data
year
to
year,
how
are
fatal
car
crashes,
how
are
crashes
with
injuries
occurring?
M
What
are
these
speed
related
crashes
that
are
coming
up
and
we
can
have
that
data
to
say
here's
what
we're
seeing
in
our
jurisdiction
and
they'll
be
specific
to
santa
fe,
because
the
uniform
crime
reporting
for
crashes
captures
that
data.
So
we
can
get
that
and
say
hey
how
many
crashes
are
occurring
in
santa
fe
and
it'll
give
us
a
good
assessment
year
to
year,
where
it's
apples
to
apples.
Are
we
seeing
improvements?
Are
we
seeing
things
deteriorating?
M
M
We'd
have
to
go
again
to
the
data
to
see,
if
that's
what
it
is,
but
one
thing
that
cannot
be
argued
is
those
crashes
did
increase.
We
had
more
fatal
car
crashes
when
we
took
those
devices
off
the
street
could
have
been
just
the
awareness
for
people
like
hey
they're,
not
around
anymore.
So
maybe
the
behavior
changed
at
that
point,
but
the
behavior
has
to
be
the
heart
of
it.
You
know,
in
order
for
us
to
make
safer
streets,
we
need
everyone
to
do
their
part.
M
We
need
everyone
to
drive
safe,
be
aware,
get
their
full-time
attention
and
driving
follow
the
speed
limit.
You
know
and
it's
an
invested
thing
for
us
to
do,
and
this
is
one
way
for
us
to
change
that
behavior
there's
other
strategies
we
can
look
at
as
well.
But
again
this
is
one
tool
of
the
other
tools
that
we
also
have
like:
dvi
checkpoints,
saturation
patrols,
operation
buckle
down,
you
know
and
our
step
enforcement
as
well.
F
F
Something
that
is
is
needed,
and
I
would
imagine
that
there's
probably
some
national
data
on
that,
since
there
has
been
some
research
on
these
and
that's
something
that
I
would
like
to
see
throughout
the
course
of
this
discussion
is
really
that
comparison,
and
then
you
also
bring
up.
You
know
something
that
that
I've
I've
already
touched
on,
but
I'll
be
more
explicit
with
that.
I
think
for
me
in
order
to
really
feel
comfortable,
approving
this
contract
and
improving
this
program
is
really
this
evaluation
strategy
in
place
and
a
pretty
detailed
evaluation
of.
F
How
are
we
going
to
show
that
the
that
the
goals
that
we
want
to
achieve
are
being
achieved
through
this
program
and
that
this
program
is
the
best
mechanism
for
it
and
because
again,
this
is
this
is
important,
making
sure
that
people
aren't
speeding,
making
sure
that
people
aren't
safe
on
the
streets,
and
I
would
really
like
to
see
what
that
evaluation
looks
like
and
what
are
those
measurements
that
we
would
be
reevaluating
in
a
year
to
determine
whether
or
not
this
is
something
that
is
really
benefiting
the
city
and-
and
I
think,
just
seeing
number
of
citations
going
down,
isn't,
isn't
really
going
to
show
the
whole
picture,
and
you
know
those
car
crash
fatalities.
F
Speed
cameras-
and
you
know,
looking
at
within
a
half
mile
or
up
to
a
mile
and
a
quarter,
so
really.
What
does
that
look
like?
What
can
we
expect
and
where
should
we
be
looking
at
this?
I
do
know
that
we
do
have
some
crash
data.
I've
seen
it
through
mpo.
What
would
be
great
for
you
guys
also
to
bring
that,
as
this
makes
it
through
the
committee
to
really
have
that
discussion?
F
I
think
that,
having
that
data
for
us
is
really
important
as
these
are
you
know,
for
better
or
worse,
this
is
definitely
a
a
topic
that
is
a
challenge
for
the
community.
There
are
a
lot
of
members
of
the
community
who
are
not
in
favor
of
this,
and
there
are
plenty
that
are
and
so
really
having
that
fact-based
assessment
available
for
us
is
really
important.
F
F
M
Mr
chair
kessler,
kassad
that
is
not
correct.
There
do
that
five
thousand
dollars,
if
we're
not
in
compliance
with
the
number
of
citations
that
are
validated
by
our
personnel.
So
if
we're
in
compliance,
they
get
40
of
each
paid
citation
that
is
paid
to
them.
If
we
do
not
comply
with
their.
M
With
getting
the
process
done
as
it's
detailed,
so
that's
you
know
if
we
elect
you
not
to
pursue
collections
and
at
that
point
we're
saying
we're
going
to
pay
five
thousand
dollars
per
camera,
so
we
are
electing
for
collections,
so
we're
not
going
to
have
to
pay
in
that
area
or
if
we
fail
to
process
more
than
ten
percent
of
the
ballot
events,
then
we
would
be
due
for
that
five
thousand
dollars,
but
again
we'll
be
able
to
get
those
things
done.
M
So
it
would
only
be
forty
percent
of
each
paid
citation
that
would
be
due
for
to
the
vendor
for
providing
the
service
with
the
speed
cams.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
clarification
that
that's
helpful,
and
so,
even
if
we
are
pursuing
collections
and
somebody
has
not
paid
their
ticket,
yet
we
are
still
in
compliance
because
we
have
done
our
part
correct.
M
Yes,
counselor
until
it
goes
full
circle
and
the
violation
is
paid,
we
would
not
be
due
any
fees
to
the
vendor.
The
only
exception
would
be
is.
If
the
person
elects
to
go
and
do
community
service,
then
we
would
be
due
the
fee
that
would
have
gone
to
them.
Had
they
paid
the
fund,
which
is
twenty
dollars
for
a
fifty
dollar
fine
for
providing
those
services.
F
M
As
of
today,
there
are
none,
it's
a
new
ordinance,
so
we
have
not
launched
the
program
with
the
community
service.
Yet
so
we
don't
have
that
data.
Yet.
F
M
Counselor,
so
if
we
have
a
lot
of
people
elect
to
pay
or
elect
to
do
community
service
instead
of
paying
for
the
fee,
we
still
have
to
pay
that
20
to
the
vendor.
M
In
return
for
that
community
service,
though,
we
are
getting
about
five
hours
of
community
service
back,
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
us
to
clean
up
a
lot
of
parks,
medians
cut
weeds
and
so
on
again
we're
paying
20
bucks
for
that
service
and
getting
about
50
bucks
in
return
for
the
services
they're
providing,
but
we're
hoping
that,
through
the
process
that
people
do
pay
the
fees
that
we
would
have
that
revenue
on
hand
to
be
able
to
assist
those
who
do
have
a
need
for
community
service.
M
And
again
there
are
some
qualifiers
for
the
community
service
per
the
ordinance.
The
hearing
officer
would
have
to
establish
that
those
that
are
doing
community
service
are
not
currently
in
default
with
the
city,
so
if
they
already
have
another
payment
on
the
book
that
they
have
not
paid
or
they
have
not
completed
community
service
on
or
if
they
reneged
on
the
community
service
and
failed
to
complete
it
within
30
days,
they
would
not
be
eligible
for
that
community
service.
M
So
it
does
give
people
an
opportunity
who
are
challenged
with
getting
the
stuff
done
to
have
a
way
to
do
so.
But
if
they
don't
complete
it,
it's
not
just
going
to
be
an
endless
bill
saying
well,
you
owe
us
20
hours
community
service
to
settle
this
debt
if
they
don't
complete
that
community
search
that
first
one,
the
hearing
officer
can
elect
to
say,
you're
not
eligible
for
that,
and
you
have
to
pay
the
fee.
That
is
due
for
the
fine.
F
Okay,
I
appreciate
the
background
there,
although
that
still
doesn't
quite
answer
my
question
of
dollars
in
the
proverbial
city
bank
that
get
to
be
paid
out
to
the
contractor.
If
enough
people
elect
community
service.
So
I
understand
you
know
we
get.
You
know
five
hours
of
cleaning
up
parks
and
that's
wonderful,
and
if
we
were
to
calculate
out
what
that's
worth
that
still
doesn't
translate
into
actual
dollars
that
we
have
to
pay
the
contractor.
F
It's
helpful
it's
great,
but
we're
not
going
to
take
dollars
away
from.
You
know
a
city
parks
employee
because
we
had
a
volunteer
doing
it
and
pay
the
contractor
with
it.
So.
M
M
It's
it's
one
of
those
things
where
I
think
policymakers
have
to
decide
what
they
want
to
do
with
it.
You
know
that's
the
provision
that
was
in
again
there's
a
search
being
provided
by
the
vendor.
So
we
can't
just
say:
hey
this
person
elected
community
service,
so
we're
not
going
to
pay
you
what's
due
for
any
vendor.
That
would
be,
you
know,
challenging
to
keep
them
providing
services.
F
N
Mr
chair
counselor
cassette,
maybe
director
wheeler,
can
answer
that
she
has
some
a
number
of
contracted
services
that
might
be.
You
know
done
in
lieu
of.
I
think
she
also
might
have
had
an
answer
to
your
question
about
effectiveness
of
a
speed
program
versus
on
some
traffic
calming.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
return
to
that.
P
Thank
you
so
much
chairman
and
counselor
cassette
director
ochoa.
Yes,
this
is
this
subject
actually
has
a
big
impact
on
public
works
and
the
engineering
division.
John
romero
dealt
with
this
for
years
and
years
as
he
was
the
traffic
engineer
and
the
engineering
division
director.
P
We
have
almost
40
traffic
coming
requests
right
now
in
our
queue,
it
is
something
we
get
almost
daily
and
they're
huge
undertakings
of
trying
to
determine
you
know,
do
speed,
counts
and
you
know
how's
the
road
classified
and
what
kind
of
coming
might
work,
and
over
the
years
we've
actually
found
that
the
the
speed
humps
don't
change
the
behavior,
and
so
what
john
romero
used
to
say
was
no
amount
of
asphalt
and
concrete's
going
to
slow
down
a
speeder
and
we've
had
cases
where
we've
installed
the
speed
bumps
and
the
people
call
back,
and
so
it
is
a
challenge
that
is,
I
think,
really
top
of
mind
for
members
of
the
community,
the
speeding
in
their
neighborhoods
and
how
dangerous
they
perceive
that
to
be
so.
P
We
don't
find
that
to
be
terribly
effective.
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
I
could
help
with
the
contractual
question,
though
I
I
think
it
sounded
to
me
like
a
quantification,
perhaps
of
what
that
cost
might
be
given
some
kind
of
a
an
assumption.
But
I
wasn't,
I
don't
know
if
I
understood
director
ocho
what
your
question
was.
Mr
chair.
N
P
P
That's
an
excellent
point,
thank
you,
and-
and
I
wanted
to
add
one
more
thing-
pardon
me
for
going
on,
but
in
the
reporting
I
thought
that
we
could
definitely
provide
a
list
of
the
queue
for
the
traffic
coming
request
right
now
that
the
governing
body
could
see-
and
we
could
definitely
measure
that
after
a
year,
I
think
would
be
an
excellent
way
to
measure
besides
just
the
crms,
but
we're
also
carrying
requests
that
are,
you
know,
have
been
dealt
with
for
some
time
now.
F
F
P
To
yeah,
yes,
chairman
councillor,
cassid,
that's
actually
conceivable
because
we
actually
do
have
to
contract
for
picking
up
litter
in
the
parks.
That
seems
like
a
great
community
service
activity.
We
have
quite
a
bit
of
needs
at
that
level
of
skill
beyond
our
capacity
that
we
are
hiring
help
for
now.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
That
seems
a
little
shaky,
but
but
I
appreciate
that.
N
If
I
may,
I
think
the
question
of
evaluation
and
cost
benefit
is
really
important
as
well,
and
you
know
this
is
such
a
critical
program
to
us
in
community
health
and
safety
because
of
as
chief
padilla
mentioned
or
capacity
issues.
Currently,
the
increase
in
calls
we're
getting
around
many
things
beyond
just
speeding
and
traffic
calming.
N
I
think
evaluation
is
something
that
community
health
and
safety
administration
can
pay
for
and
if
that's
the
deal
breaker
here,
I'd
be
happy
to
say
that
we
can
go
forward
with
an
evaluation
contract.
That
is
a
small
dollar
amount
that
you
know,
could
look
at
this
contract
specifically
and
how
to
evaluate
it
to
start
with
the
baseline.
If
that,
if
that
makes
this
body
more
comfortable,
I
think
it
would
be
wonderful
to
be
able
to
do
that
with
all
contracts.
N
But
this
one
is,
you
know
crucial
to
the
community's
safety,
to
the
ability
of
the
police
department
to
respond
to
these
urgent
requests
and
I'll
just
put
it
on
the
record
that
you
know
I
will
pursue
an
evaluation
contract
if
that,
if
that
is
the
thing
that
makes
the
difference
in
in
in
piloting
this.
F
Yeah-
and
I
greatly
appreciate
that-
and
that
does
you
know
again
really
speak
to
this
idea
of
really
like
honing
in
and
making
sure
that
this
is
reaching
the
goals
that
we
need.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
that
I
do
find
that
extremely
extremely
helpful.
For
me.
Let
me
just
go
through
my.
F
So
there
was
also
a
mention
of
public
information
and
outreach
strategies
that
the
that
the
contractor
would
assist
with
do
we
have
more
information
on
what
those
look
like
and
what
that
would,
what
that
would
mean.
M
Mr
chair,
counselor
cassid,
so
there'll
be
information
provided
like
hey,
look:
here's
what
we're
doing
with
these
speed
devices
we're
going
to
have
about
a
30
day.
It's
going
to
be
a
30
day,
grace
period,
we're
going
to
have
them
out
there.
Let
people
know
here's
where
they
are.
Here's,
what
they're
doing
they'll
send
out
a
warning
notice
for
that
30-day
period
to
let
people
know
hey
look
had
this
been
live,
you
would
have
been
given
a
citation
for
this.
M
So
please
watch
your
speed
education
that
we'll
put
on
our
social
media
platforms.
Just
letting
people
know
hey
here's,
why
we're
doing
it?
Here's
the
information,
what
they
look
like
and
then
also
as
well,
if
you're,
given
a
citation,
here's
how
you
pay
that
citation.
So
it's
gonna
have
that
outreach.
Let
people
know
hey.
Look,
please
watch
your
speed,
slow
down.
This
is
what
speed
causes
it's
dangerous.
It's
not
safe
for
the
neighborhoods.
M
That's
really
it
helps
out
in
that
area,
and
they
also
give
us
strategies
that
we
can
also
continue
to
utilize
internally,
as
we
continue
with
that
program
and
part
of
that's
going
to
be
again
we're
going
to
announce
to
everyone
where
these
devices
are
going
to
be
located.
Currently,
what
we're
looking
at
doing
is
we
want
to
put
on
the
city
website
and
then
we'll
share
it
on
our
platforms
as
well
saying,
hey,
look!
This
is
where
the
camera
is
going
to
be
for
this
week,
much
like
we
did
in
years
past.
M
So
people
know
where
they're
going
to
be
located
at
we
looked
at
the
newspaper
we
used
to
post
them
in
the
newspaper,
but
again
most
people
get
the
information
either
online
and
again
it's
at
no
cost
to
someone.
They
can
go
to
a
city,
library
or
utilize,
wi-fi
on
a
smart
device
that
they
have
to
look
up
the
city
website
where
these
devices
at
so
they're,
where
they
know
where
it's
at
again.
We
don't
have
any
intention
to
shield
them
and
say:
hey
they're,
here
they're
there.
M
We
want
people
to
know
that,
where
they're
located
at
we
want
to
change
that
behavior,
we
want
them
to
know
it's
deployed
regularly
at
this
location
or
at
that
location,
and
then
some
devices
will
be
deployed
based
on
requests
from
constituents
hey.
If
there's
speeding
concerns
in
the
neighborhood,
we
get
that
data.
It's
gonna
be
based
on
data
deployment
for
us
to
put
those
devices
out
there.
So
they're
gonna
help
us
with
the
message
to
let
people
know
that
these
devices
are
here:
here's
what
they
do,
here's
how
they
function.
M
F
Okay,
wonderful,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
actually
really
like
that
idea
that
they
would
be
up
there
ahead
of
time,
letting
people
know
that
they
would
have
gotten
a
ticket.
I
do
have
one
one
question
about
the
calibration
of
the
devices,
so
my
understanding
and
correct
me,
if
I
am
incorrect
here,
is
that
the
contractor
is
in
charge
of
the
maintenance
of
the
cameras
and
the
calibration
of
the
cameras,
as
well
as
the
separate
calibration.
That's
supposed
to
be
confirming
the
calibration
of
the
camera.
F
Some
of
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
has
to
be
with
this
conflict
of
interest
that
the
contractor
makes
money
when
a
citation
is
delivered
and
so
that
there
is
not
an
independent
way
for
us
to
verify
that
the
cameras
have
been
set
to
deploy
a
ticket
at
the
appropriate
speed
and
that
they
are
tracking
speed
correctly.
Can
you
speak
to
that
concern
a
little
bit.
M
Mr
chair
castle,
cassette
yes,
I
can
so
when
the
devices
are
shipped
to
us
again,
they're
calibrated
and
they
make
sure
they're
operational,
there's
automation
that
goes
to
the
camera.
That
allows
to
say
here's
what
the
business
rules
say
and
by
business
rules
that
says
the
santa
fe
police
department
wants
citations
to
be
issued
for
violations
over
10
miles
per
hour.
Now,
if
it's
going
to
be
in
a
school
zone,
it'll
have
the
time
duration,
so
only
the
time.
M
That's
what
the
program
is
based
off
of
what
it
does
is
every
day
it
does
an
automated
calibration
that
abilities
that
everything
is
functioning
correctly.
If,
after
does
a
system
check
that
it's
found
to
be
not
operating
correctly,
the
machine
will
then
shut
down
and
it'll.
Let
us
know
hey.
This
machine
is
down
because
it's
not
calibrated,
it
needs
to
be
replaced,
but
it's
gonna
be
based
on
whatever
direction
we
give
to
the
contractor.
M
If
we
say
we
want
it
to
be
giving
violation,
violations
at
10
miles
per
hour
per
ordinance,
that's
what
it's
going
to
be
set
up.
The
risk
that
someone
would
have
trying
to
you
know
push
the
issue
saying:
hey,
we'll
put
it
for
eight
miles
or
for
five
miles.
M
If
that's
revealed,
that's
pretty
much
gonna
ruin
the
business.
I
think
there's
too
much
risk
that
exists
by
doing
so,
but
that
automation
through
calibration
it
lets
us
know.
Hey
calibration
was
run
so
when
our
officer
is
going
to
validate
those
citations,
they
have
that
validation
that
it's
been
valid
that
it's
been
calibrated.
M
We're
making
five
dollars
to
run
the
program
per
each
violation
for
fifty
dollars,
they're
getting
twenty
dollars.
There's
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
money
being
made
in
comparison
to
years
past.
We
want
to
be
self-sufficient.
Our
big
hope
is
safety.
It's
not
to
go
and
bring
in
additional
revenue
to
fund
extra
projects
and
we're
not
expecting
that
we
talked
about
a
couple
expenses
that
we
may
have
to
cover
much
like
the
community
service.
M
M
N
Mr
chair
council
cassette
I'd
also
say
that
on
the
front
end
choosing
this
vendor,
you
know
references
were
checked.
Just
like
you
choose
every
other
vendor
reputation
of
the
vendor
was
taken
into
account
and
that's,
as
we
do
with
every
other
contract
to
ensure
that
we're
not
being
defrauded
all
those
processes
were
taken
in
this
process
as
well.
F
F
I
think
I
will
go
ahead
and
yield
the
floor
for
now.
I
know
that
my
colleagues
also
have
questions
and
I,
if
I
think
of
others,
I
will
let
you
all
know.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
it.
J
Chair,
I
have
a
couple
questions
before
I
forget
captain
tapia,
you
gave
us
some
information
about
fatal
car
crashes.
Can
you
just
again
restate
that?
Because
I
you
said
it
fast
and
I
didn't
write
it
down,
but
I
do
have
a
question.
A
Mr
chair
counselor
romero
worth
apologies
for
that,
so
I'll
go
through
it
in
2009
and
2010
we
had
three
fatalities.
A
J
Six,
okay,
so
those
are
obviously
showing
there's
been
an
uptick
and
I
guess
I
would
be
curious.
You
all
have
made
a
blanket
statement
that
these
devices
will
reduce
fatal
car
crashes
and
what
I
would
like
to
know-
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
extrapolate
from
the
national
data,
because
we
can
look
directly
at
these
car
crashes.
Where
were
they?
Where
were
those
car
crashes?
J
What
was
the
cause
of
those
crashes,
and
I
think
you
know
I
mean
these
are
high
numbers.
Of
course
we
don't
want
to
see
fatal
car
crashes,
but
relatively
speaking,
they're,
not
that
many
that
we
couldn't
check
to
find
out
the
cause
of
that
the
fatality
in
each
case-
and
I
would
like
to
know
you
know-
was
it
speeding,
was
it
drunk
driving?
Was
it
texting?
J
Was
it
an
intersection
crash?
I
I
think
that
would
be
very
important
for
us
to
understand
to
make
sure
that
what
you're
saying
that,
if
we
allow,
for
these
cameras,
we're
going
to
have
fewer
fatal
car
crashes,
because
I'm
not
sure
that's
true,
so
I
would
appreciate
more
information
about
each
of
those
car
crashes,
and
you
know
if
it's
not
possible
to
go
back.
J
A
A
Mr
chair
councillor
romero
worth
yes
any
roadway
within
the
boundaries
of
the
city
of
santa
fe.
They
can
make
stops
and
the
reason
why
I
said
that
is
that
our
data
shows
that
the
majority
of
our
collisions
do
occur
on
cerrios
road
and
on
st
francis
drive,
and
those
two
are
considered
state
roadways
to
where
they
could
focus
their
their
efforts.
J
J
I
I
too,
like
councilwoman
cassit.
You
know.
I
appreciate
director
ochoa
saying
that
we
can
evaluate
this
I'll
call
it
a
program,
because
I
think
we
do
need
to
know
whether
it's
working
and
having
the
results.
We
would
like.
J
And
I
am
curious,
you
know
how
will
we
know
it's
working?
What
are
the
questions
that
we
will
compare
the
data
against?
What
kind
of
data
will
we
be
collecting,
and-
and
I
guess
I
would
I
kind
of
wish
that
you
know
some
of
that
data
had
been
provided
now,
besides
fatal
car
crashes,
you
know
why
tell
me:
what
are
we
going
to
be
measuring
this
against?
What
does
the?
What
does
the
situation
look
like
now?
J
This
is
what
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
as
we
deploy
these
devices
to
see
what
change
we
see
and
chief.
I
I
see
your
hand
up.
O
Yes,
mr
shark
counselor
romero.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
these
are
all
great
points,
great
questions,
and
we
compared
against
the
constituent,
complaints
that
come
in
through
constituent
services
and
also
the
citizen,
complaints
that
come
into
the
police
department.
That's
one
thing
that
we
can
see
the
comparison
of
those
complaints.
Are
they
still
coming
in
on
the
roadways
that
are
in
the
city
that
are
not
state
roadways
and
are
we
seeing
the
decrease
of
those
system,
complaints
coming
in
from
those
citizens?
O
Are
we
seeing
the
number
of
citations
in
those
areas
go
down
with
our
own
internal
traffic
or
speed
monitoring
devices
when
we
deploy
them
on
these
smaller
streets?
Little
roadways?
Are
we
seeing
that
data
decrease
as
well?
I
think
that's
the
internal
data
that
we
need
to
compare
it
to
is
all
the
way
around.
O
I
know
the
hot
topic
of
fatal
crashes
was
going
to
come
up
and
I
warned
staff
to
try
to
stay
away
from
that
data,
because
I
know
some
people
are
going
to
get
sidetracked
with
it
and
just
focus
on
those
without
doing
that
deep
dive
into
those
fatal
crashes.
Where
the
way
this
program
was
brought
up
initially
several
years
ago,
that's
what
the
previous
administrators
focus
on
was
fatal.
Car
crashes
and,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
many
contributing
factors
that
go
into
a
fatal
car
crash
was
dwi
involved.
Were
they
texting
and
driving?
O
Was
it
at
an
intersection,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
council
romero
worth
so
for
us
to
get
hung
up
on
a
fatal
car
crash.
That
is
incorrect
and
I
don't
think
we
need
to
go
there,
but
our
staff
went
there
with
that
topic,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
do
a
deep
dive
into
that
data.
To
show
that
evaluation
of
okay,
each
car
crash
that
they
mentioned
or
captain
tapia
mentioned
a
bit
ago,
was
speed
one
of
those
contributing
factors
and
hopefully
have
all
those
answers
before
wednesday.
O
And
then,
if
this
continues
on
into
the
governing
body
meeting
the
following
week
and
mr
ellen's
sniper
is
on
the
call
with
us
today
from
the
company,
and
he
can
answer
some
of
the
questions
as
well
regarding
the
devices
the
comparisons
comparing
this
speed
device
compared
to
a
sign
on
the
side
of
the
road
that
says
your
speed.
Is
this
or
your
speed?
Is
that
the
way
other
traffic
calming
devices
work
on
a
roadway,
whether
it's
a
speed
table
or
a
speed
hump?
O
I
think
that's
what
we
truly
need
to
focus
on
and,
as
we
mentioned
earlier,
and
we're
trying
to
get
director
wheeler
to
pitch
in
some
money,
if
there's
unpaid
tickets
or
citations
for
the
community
service
angle,
I
think,
as
the
program
moves
forward,
we're
just
going
to
build
this
into
the
police
department's
budget
or
the
community
health
and
safety
department,
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
this.
What,
if
fund,
if
someone
defaults
for
us
to
go
there
and
offset
those
fees
all
the
way
around.
J
So
you
you
mentioned
those,
and
they
have
a
name.
I
think
radar
speed
signs
is
that
the
correct
name
for
them.
J
The
same
thing
there
when
you-
because
I
know
you
have
you-
have
one
in
my
district
on
camino
cabra
periodically,
where
you're
you're
going
by
and
the
and
the
thing
flashes
at
you,
you're
going
45
you're
five
miles
over
the
speed
limit
or
something
you're
speeding
or
something.
If
the
speed
limit's
40.
that
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing
right.
O
O
You
might
be
talking
about
a
mobile
device
which
is
manager
by
captain
topia's
team,
a
speed
display
trailer,
which
are
the
police
department
signs,
but
I'm
talking
one,
that's
mounted
like
onto
an
actual
post
or
a
sign.
That's
what
I'm
talking
about
like
something:
a
sign
that
you'd
see
in
a
school
zone
right,
that's
mounted
to
a
pole
with
the
orange
or
amber
lights.
But
if
you're
talking
one
that's
the
senate,
please
those
are
the
transportable
devices
that
we
have
that
we
can
deploy.
That
captain
talk
is
team.
Does.
O
So
our
older
trailers
were
just
speed
display
trailers
did
not
collect
any
data.
Our
new
trailers
that
we
just
recently
purchased
do
collect
data,
but
they
do
not
issue
a
citation
so
similar
to
a
black
cat
device
or
a
jammer
device,
which
is
that
small
little
pelican
black
box
device
that
we've
deployed
historically
on
other
smaller
streets.
These
speed
trailers
that
captain
tapia's
crew
manages
has
that
same
type
of
technology
built
in
to
display
and
record
that
data
and
say:
okay,
there
was
a
complaint
that
came
in
on
this
street.
J
And-
and
I
think
that
data
would
be
helpful
because
I
think
we
should
know
you
know
we
get
lots
of
complaints,
but
it's
a
subjective
thing
right
and
maybe
people
just
think
people
are
driving
too
fast.
I
mean
I
do
think
we
have
a
problem
in
the
city,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
every
complaint
is
an
actual
speeder
right.
J
So
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
with
data
on
which
streets
you
have
confirmed,
that
we
have
people
driving
too
fast,
and
that
way
again,
I'm
just
looking
to
see
whether
this
solution
is
the
right
one
for
the
problem
and
I'm
looking
for
you
to
build
that
case
and
right
now
I
gotta
say
I
have
lots
of
concerns
about
whether
you've
made
the
case
that
we
should
allow
for
this,
given
what
I'll
get
into
in
a
bit
some
of
the
things
that
are
really
concerning
about
using
this
technology-
and
I
keep
you
know
I
have
said
since
the
beginning
and
for
some
reason
I
have
to
say
I'm
disappointed,
because
I
keep
asking
for
a
pilot
project,
bring
us
something
where
you
can
demonstrate
how
this
works,
where
we
can
build
trust
where
we
can
see
that
it
actually
has
an
effect
before
we
jump
in
with
both
feet,
and
I
I
just
I
wish
that's
what
you
had
brought
us
and
I
know
you
know
I
did
hear
the
word
pilot
somewhere
around,
but
you
know
here's
so
your
contract.
J
J
Provide
as
many
camera
speed
devices
and
or
vehicles
as
needed,
capable
of
monitoring,
speed
violations
who
gets
to
decide
that
that's
and
and
that's
the
contractor
will
provide
so
we're.
Basically,
if
we
approve
this
contract,
it's
we
we
aren't
going
to
decide
and
I
again
have
said
from
the
beginning.
I
would
like
to
see
a
smaller
number
deployed
in
places
where
we
know
we've
had
issues
and
then
let's
see
what
happens,
and
let's
also
build
some
trust
with
these.
J
J
J
So
that
concerns
me,
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
length
of
the
contract,
and
I
don't
know
we
don't
have
anybody
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
don't
know
if
director
mccoy
can
answer
this
question
and
I
forget
you'd
think
I'd.
You
think
you'd
remember
this
stuff,
and
but
this
this
contract
is
for
four
years
with
one
year
renewal
periods.
Do
I
have
that
correct.
M
Anybody,
mr
chair
counselor,
mayor
worth
yes,
so
the
initial
year
has
to
be
completed
and
then
it
does
have
a
termination
clause
in
there
as
well.
So
after
we
complete
that
first
year,
if
we're
not
satisfied
with
the
service
or
if
we
want
to
seize
the
contract.
M
There's
provisions
in
there
for
us
to
give
notice
and
the
citations
stop
being
issued,
and
we
just
finish
up
with
the
citations
that
are
currently
in
process,
and
we
close
up
that
that
program
with
no
issue
and
just
for
that
first
year,
it's
gonna
take
about
four
months
for
them
to
get
things
put
together
so
that
first
year
we're
gonna
see
after
that
30-day
grace
period.
M
J
If
we
don't
want
to
see
it
after
a
year
or
two
years,
and
I
I
guess
I
I
really
do-
need
legal
to
weigh
in
on
this,
and
so
that's
an
outstanding
question
for
me
all
right.
J
M
Yes,
counselor
mr
chair
counselor,
worth
it
went
out
in
2018.
J
Okay
and
how
many?
How
many
companies
responded.
M
M
J
I
think
they're
not
public
until
we
approve
the
contract,
but
we
are
entitled
to
see.
We
are
entitled
to
see
the
in
executive
session
or
privately
before.
I,
I
don't
think
you
can
release
the
rfp
and
who
applied
until
after.
We
approve
the
contract
to
the
public,
but
I
think
we
get
to
be
able
to
see
and
I've
never
seen
that
who
applied
at
least.
K
Again,
mr
chair
counselor
romero
worth
that
is
accurate.
We
can
confirm
that
with
legal,
but
we
are.
We
do
have
the
opportunity
to
make
that
available
to
the
governing
body.
Members
at
your
request.
J
J
How
do
we
know
that
the
world
I
mean
technology
changes
quite
rapidly?
How
do
we
know
that
this
company
is
the
company
we
should
be
going
with
in
2021.
M
Casper
mary
worth
this
is
the
rfp
that
I'm
working
with
and
again
any
time
there's
been
requests.
We've
got
the
information,
we
brought
it
back
forward
and
again
we're
happy
to
provide
whatever
information
you
want
to.
We
can
go
whatever
direction.
You
guys
want
to
do
to
say:
hey.
Do
we
want
to
put
it
back
out
for
rfp,
whatever
direction
you
want
to
go.
J
Well,
I'm
just
and
I'm
curious
it's
another
legal
question
right.
How
long
is
after
we
do
an
rfp?
How
long
do
we
have
you
know?
I
guess
this
company
has
just
kept
saying
yeah
we're
still
interested
we'll
still
play
with
you.
Even
though
you
know
you
guys
can't
get
us
an
approved
contract
because
we
keep
pushing
it
back
but
like
how
long
is
it
I
mean?
Is
there
a?
Is
there
a
a
point
where
it's
no
longer
any
good
like?
Is
there
a?
Is
there
a
expiration
clause
on
the
when
an
rfp
is
no
longer?
J
So
I
I
guess
I'd
be
curious
about
that
and
whether
you
know
how
do
we
know
that
this
is
still
the
right
company,
the
right
technology,
given
that
technology
changes
so
much
and
it's
it
seems
old.
At
this
point,
I
want
to
go
back
to
calibrating
the
machine,
so
that
was
a
little
bit
confusing.
J
So,
deputy
chief
valdez,
I
think
you
were
saying
that
it
can
be
calibrated
daily
or
automatically
or
and
and
I've
got
some
research.
That
say
you
know,
there's
a
real
issue
with
you
know
their.
There
are
cities
that
calibrate
once
a
year.
There
are
other
cits
cities
that
calibrate
every
week.
What
what?
M
Mr
chair
counselor
worth
the
vendor
informed
me
that
the
device
is
calibrated
through
automation,
daily
and
if
it
doesn't
pass
the
calibration,
then
it
shutdowns
the
device
and
does
not
allow
it
to
be
operational,
and
it
sends
a
message
saying:
there's
an
error,
so
it
prevents
any
type
of
issues
with
calibration.
J
And
is
that
something
that
you
know
can
can
be
reviewed
by?
I
think
councilwoman
cassid
was
sort
of
asking
by
a
third
party?
Can
can
our
officers
can
our
city
manager
cannot?
Is
that
a
is
that
public
data
that
could
be
looked
at
to
say
hey?
M
Councilman
worth
I
could
check
with
the
vendor
to
see.
If
there
is
a
report
that's
generated,
I
would
anticipate
that
it
would
with
technology,
but
I
can
confirm
that
for
you
and
let
you
know.
J
I
mean
I,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
again
in
building
the
trust,
that's
required
that
we
know
that
somebody
else
is
looking
besides
the
vendor
that
the
machine
is
calibrated
and
again
you
know
this
is
because
I
don't
think
that
you
could
again
the
technology's
changing
right
and
we
have
the
ability
now
to
calibrate
daily
automatically.
As
you
say,
that's
pretty
extraordinary,
but
I
do
think
that
somebody
else
needs
to
be
looking
at
that
data.
So
that's
another
concern
I
have
on
page
47
of
60
in
the
packet.
J
You
all
have
some
projections
about
how
much
money
the
city
will
make
based
on
past
projections.
Let
me
see
I'm
just
getting
there
waiting
for
primegov
to
catch
up
with
my
cursor
it.
It
suggests
that
based
on,
I
believe-
and
I
I
don't
have
it
here-
it
is
based
on
2013
data
which
you're
extrapolating
to
six
devices.
J
J
And
this
is
something
I
think
would
be
helpful.
How
so
this
also,
I
believe,
goes
to
council
councillor
cassette's
point
about
how
are
we
going
to
pay
for
some
of
this
stuff?
How
do
you
see
this
68
000
again?
One
of
the
things
that
you're
touting
is
the
fact
that
this
is
a
this
program
is
going
to
pay
for
itself
right.
So
what
are
all
the
expenses
that
we
see
having
to
pay
for
on
our
side
that
are
going
to
be
covered
by
this
68
000?
J
J
It
also
raises
another
question:
I
have
data
that
suggests
and,
and
we
haven't
and
again
this
is
why
a
pilot
would
be
helpful.
We
don't
really
you
haven't,
told
us
where
you're
going
to
deploy
these
cameras.
J
J
Now,
depending
on
what
your
plan
is,
I
don't
know
whether
we're
going
to
deploy
these
fairly.
I
don't
know
whether
our
speeding
problems
are
spread
equally
across
the
city.
I
have
never.
I
haven't
seen
the
data
on
it,
but
if
they
are
deployed
disproportionately
in
low-income
parts
of
the
city
or
in
where
there
we
have
high
proportions
of
people
of
color,
we
can
anticipate
that
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
those
types
of
people
applying
for
community
service
right
and
so
again.
This
is
why
a
pilot
would
be
helpful.
J
It
would
be
good
to
know
where
we're
going
to
put
these
cameras.
What
kind
of
results
we
think
we're
going
to
have
what
kinds
of
tickets
we
think
we're
going
to
get
issued
and
what
that's
going
to
mean
to
the
city-
and
this
goes
back
to
the
this-
also
goes
back
to
what's
it
going
to
cost
the
city
to
participate
in
this
program.
J
J
They
call
it
ate,
and
you
know
it's
it's
the
thing
that
takes
the
picture
of
the
camera
right
or
it
takes
a
picture
of
the
license
so
that
you
know
who
did
the
thing,
but
I
guess,
let's
see
well
actually
the
the
technology
itself,
the
speed
cameras
rely
on
automatic,
license,
plate
reader
and
alpr
technology
to
identify
the
car's
license
plate
and
cross-reference
them
with
dmv
records
in
order
to
ticket
the
drivers.
J
So
this
alpr
companies,
so
that's
some
company
that
that
our
vendor
contracts
with
captures
millions
of
licenses
that
pass
them
by
as
many
as
eighteen
hundred
licenses
per
minute.
That
must
be
in
a
pretty
big
city,
with
potentially
grave
implications
for
nationwide
government
surveillance
in
2020,
the
california
state
auditor's
office
conducted
an
audit
of
local
law
enforcement
agencies,
use
of
apr
and
found
that
none
of
the
agencies
had
an
alpr
usage
and
privacy
policy
that
complied
with
the
state's
legally
mandated
security
requirements.
J
J
In
2019,
the
aclu
of
northern
california
revealed
that
ice
had
established
a
6.1
billion
dollar
contract
with
villa
villante
solutions,
vigilante
solutions
and
alpr
company.
J
To
access
their
database
of
over
50
million
data
points
from
over
80
local
law
enforcement
agencies
in
over
a
dozen
states.
Agencies
like
ice
cannot
only
search
the
database
but
also
upload
hot
lists
or
lists
of
flagged
license
plates,
including
individuals
with
low
level
misdemeanors
or
traffic
offenses.
J
If
an
alpr
identifies
their
license,
it
will
automatically
notify
police
allowing
them
to
pinpoint
the
location
and
travel
patterns
of
non-consenting
citizens
as
well
as
undocumented
immigrants.
In
many
instances,
this
share
of
driver's
data
violates
both
local
sanctuary
laws
and
data
sharing
restrictions.
J
I
don't
know
that
in
new
mexico
we
have
data
sharing
restrictions,
but
we
certainly
have
local
sanctuary
laws
and
again
this
is
kind
of
the
slippery
slope.
The
scary
part
of
technology,
like
we
think
it's
it's
wonderful
stuff
and
it's
going
to
solve
all
our
problems,
but
there's
some
unintended
consequences
that
are
a
little
bit
worrisome
and
I,
and
I
think
we
have
to
take
seriously
in
what
we're
embracing
and
whether
this
is
the
appropriate
way
to
solve
the
problem
we
have.
We
certainly
have
a
problem
with
speeding
in
this
city.
J
I'm
not
convinced
yet
I'm
open,
and
I
still
want
to
hear
more
to
being
convinced
that
this
is
the
right
technology
for
the
problem
we
face.
So
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there.
J
I
don't
like
you
know.
We
have
a
fifth
amendment
presumption
of
innocence.
This
says
if
they
take
this
picture
you're
guilty,
and
you
have
to
prove
that
that
you're,
innocent
and
I'd
be
curious.
If
there's
anybody
here
who
can
tell
me
what
is
the
process
administratively
and
what
does
it
cost
if
I
want
to
dispute
a
ticket-
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
you
all,
are
familiar
with
that
again,
that
may
be
a
legal
question.
N
Mr
chair
counselor,
romero
wirth.
I
I
can't
answer
that
question,
but
I
just
want
to
add
that
there
is
that
layer
of
staff
reviewing
the
footage.
So
it's
correlated
with
staff
observation
of
the
video
as
well
as
the
video
itself,
and
so
and
anybody
has
the
right
to
dispute
a
ticket
under
normal
circumstances,
and
I
would
imagine-
and
the
staff
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
under
these
circumstances
as
well.
J
Yeah
and
I
think
there
is
laid
out
in
the
law
actually
a
process,
I'm
just
you
know.
What
is
that,
if,
if
you
you
know
it,
I
have
to
imagine
that
it's
costly
and
it's
time-consuming,
and
so
you
know
those
who
can
afford
to
pay
may
just
pay.
But
what
are
we
doing
to
those
who
maybe
can't
and
what's
what's
the
burden,
we're
placing
there
and
do
we
understand
it
and
are
we
okay
with
it,
and
I
guess
I'd
like
more
information
about
that?
J
You
know
again
and
again,
if
you're,
if
you
own
the
car,
but
you
weren't,
driving
the
car
and
as
and
so
I
am.
I
am
curious
because
there's
twice
now,
director
ochoa,
you
mentioned
it
and
one
of
the
officers
mentioned
it
that
there's
that
there's
video
footage.
So
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
a
picture
of
the
license
plate
and
that
license
was
going
x-speed.
There's
like
some
video
that
you
can
watch
to
see
what
happened
can
can
somebody
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
M
Counselor
worth
mr
chair:
we're
not
putting
these
devices
on
private
property,
we're
not
putting
them
where
there's
an
expectation
of
privacy
and
again
with
the
plates
that
that
is,
government
property.
That's
on
a
vehicle
that
people
pay
to
register
so
looking
at
it
from
the
privacy
area
again,
they're
in
a
public
area
on
a
public
street
it'd
be
anywhere
where
you
can
utilize
a
cell
phone
and
video
anyone
doing
something
out
there.
M
If
you
want
to
take
a
picture,
if
you
see
a
car
speeding
down
the
street-
and
you
want
to
take
a
video
by
sending
the
police-
probably
saying
hey
this
person's
speeding,
that's
in
a
public
area,
so
for
the
price
issues
concerning
those
ones,
that's
how
that
would
be
addressed
and
again
that
information
that
we
have
that's
what
we
use
to
go
through
the
process.
M
There
is
provision
there.
So
let's
say
I'm
borrowing
your
car,
I'm
speeding
and
you
elect
to
say.
Well,
it
wasn't
me
driving
the
car.
It
was
ben
driving
the
car.
You
can
then
provide
that
information
to
the
vendor
through
the
process.
Let
them
know
here's
the
person
that
was
driving
my
car
and
it
wasn't
me
and
then
I'm
going
to
be
liable
for
that
citation.
M
I
think
there's
a
bit
more
detailed
process
to
that.
So
I'll
get
that
information
for
you
with
a
lot
of
questions
that
you
provided
today.
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
make
a
list
and
I'll
get
the
answers
as
best
I
can
to
get
that
to
you.
So
I
can
hopefully
get
some
additional
information
where
I
can
to
help
out
with
getting
that
information,
so
you
guys
can
make
the
best
decision.
J
Yeah-
and
I
I
appreciate
that
I,
and
so
we
also
will
have
I
I
guess,
that's
a
it's
a
question
who
will
be
looking
over
these
violations
to
see
whether
they're
real
violations.
J
It
was
suggested
to
me
earlier
this
afternoon
when
I
asked
some
questions
that
it
it
would
be
your
traffic
unit,
how
many
officers
are
in
the
traffic
unit
unit
and
are
are
all
the
officers
in
the
traffic
unit
going
to
be
looking
at
this
data
to
see
if
to
verify
that
there
actually
was
a
violation.
M
Mr
chair
councilman,
worth
every
violation,
has
to
be
validated
by
a
sworn
officer,
so
this
program
can
be
housed
of
our
out
of
our
traffic
unit,
so
they'll
utilize,
the
capacity
they
have
in
that
area.
If
we
do
see
that
they
need
assistance,
if
we
have
staff
that
are
available
to
assist
with
that
as
well,
that's
something
that
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
we
have
sufficient
coverage
with
that.
But
the
time
that's
taken
to
validate
a
violation
versus
going
out
there
to
issue
a
violation.
M
It's
gonna
be
quite
a
bit
shorter,
but
it
has
to
be
validated
by
a
swarm
member
to
make
sure
that
violation
did
occur
before
the
violation
is
sent
out
to
the
respondent.
O
Hopefully,
by
the
end
of
the
evening,
we
can
re-share
that
link.
It's
an
interactive
google
map
where
you
can
show
and
see
where
a
speed
ban
or
vehicle
could
be
deployed.
One
of
these
smaller
devices,
the
transporter
vise,
can
be
deployed.
We
recently
shared
it
with
counselor
on
this
meeting
just
a
couple
of
months
ago,
but
we
can
share
that
map
once
again
with
everyone
with
all
you
all.
So
you
always
can
see
that
map.
Regarding
the
concerns
of
the
pilot
project
same
concerns,
you
brought
to
me
back
in
2019.
O
If
we
want
to
call
it
tomato
potato
tomato
tomato,
let's
call
it
a
pilot
project
and
then
the
direction
of
the
governing
body.
As
this
thing
moves
forward,
we
say:
okay
after
one
year,
this
contract
will
come
in
front
of
the
governing
body
and
if
we
want
to
show-
and
we
want
to
renew
it,
based
upon
the
criteria
that
we
put
on
it-
that
you
all
put
on
it,
then
we
go
from
there
regarding
the
amount
of
devices.
It's
the
same
concerns
you
brought
to
me
back
in
2019.
O
If
we
want
to
say
that
we
only
want
to
see
one
speed
vehicle
and
we
only
want
to
see
one
transportable.
Well,
then,
let's
go
with
that
right
now,
but
as
we've
seen
with
anything
else
or
with
your
own
power
tools
at
home
or
a
rake
in
a
shovel,
most
people
don't
just
have
one
shovel.
If
one
breaks
what
you
need
to
have
a
backup
similar
to
the
program
we
have
now
with
our
mobile
video
trailers
or
mvts
those
portable
surveillance
trailers.
O
O
One
of
them
is
vandalized
and
it's
out
out
of
the
rotation
and
we
can't
deploy
at
this
park
or
at
this
location,
so
at
the
bare
minimum.
It's
just
me
pitching
it,
and
I
gave
this
what-ifs
to
some
of
the
staff
earlier
today,
because
we
knew
this
topic
was
going
to
come
up.
Let's
go
with
one
speed
vehicle,
and
this
is
just
me
throwing
numbers
out
there
and
two
transportable
devices
or
let's
go
with
two
speed
vehicles
and
two
transportable
devices.
O
So
at
least
we
already
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
backup
to
that
backup
and
yes
to
answer
your
question
about
the
license
plate
readers,
we
are
not
going
to
go
that
route
and
share
it
with
other
companies
and
do
behind
the
scenes.
Tracking
of
people
or
running
people
for
warrants
is
specifically
for
the
issuance
of
the
citation.
J
But
how
do
we
know
to
on
that
point
chief?
How
do
we
know
that
that
data
won't
be
sold
by
the
company
to
people
who
are
interested
in
tracking
it?
Not
that
you
would
but
that
somebody
outside,
like
ice,
could
could
contract
with
the
company
that
provides
the
technology
that
holds
that
data?
That's
not
our
vendor,
that's
not
who
we're
contracting
with
it's
somebody,
our
vendor
contracts
with
for
the
technology
they
use
to
do
the
work
here.
J
I
don't
know
that
we
have
any
safeguards
against
that
and
that's
a
problem
and
and
to
your
point
about
the
to
the
okay,
fine,
you
know
that's
what
I've
been
asking
for
for
three
years
now.
I
feel
like
every
time
you
come,
I
say,
bring
a
pilot
project
say
you
know
whatever
that,
give
me
a
hard
number
four
okay,
so
you
have.
Basically,
you
always
can
have
two
right,
so
you
have
and
if
two
are
broken,
you
still
have
two
more.
J
J
O
J
J
C
C
I've
never
supported
it
for
various
reasons,
and
I
think
what
in
the
past,
what
really
kind
of
set
the
tone
for
me
was
when
we
were
first
considering
this
a
number
of
years
ago,
the
data
that
they
provided
us
was
around
accidents
and
where
they
occur.
And
what
were
the
particular
issues
that
caused
the
accident
and
they
were
at
intersections.
C
What
is
what
the
data
told
us
and
the
majority
of
those
issues
were
based
on
running
red
lights
and,
interestingly,
that
data
never
came
back
to
us
and
I'm
not
sure
why
other
than
the
fact
that
it
was
showing
to
us
that
red
running
red
lights
was
a
main
issue
and
then,
when
we
looked
at
the
the
streets
that
were
most
impacted
or
they
had
the
largest
number
of
incidents
or
fatalities
and
speeding
issues
were
on
our
are
the
roads
that
we
didn't
have
jurisdiction
on.
C
So
it
was
serious
and
saint
francis
and
so,
and
also
I-25.
That
was
also
added
into
the
data
so
based
on
that,
I'm
pretty
sure
that
that's
still
the
case
and
that
running
red
lights
has
actually
increased
due
to
the
pandemic.
I'm
not
disputing
that
speeding
issues
are
not
a
concern
and
they're,
not
an
issue,
but
when
we
looked
at
the
data,
it's
it
told
a
different
story.
So
that's
why
I
guess
back
to
reiterating
the
data
to
prove
a
case.
We
don't
have
data
to
analyze
other
than
the
numbers
that
we
appreciate.
C
We
just
got,
but
the
numbers
didn't
tell
me
anything
other
than
we
had
unfortunate
fatalities
during
these
years
they
went
down.
They
went
back
up,
so
I'm
just
wanting
to
understand
more
about
that
data,
and
if
we
don't
have
data,
we
can't
prove
to
the
community
either
that
this
is
why
we're
doing
it.
So
the
other
thing
I'm
confused
about
when
we
look
at
costs
and
I've
always
had
problem
with
the
structure
of
the
revenue
sharing.
C
But
I
was
still
confused
about
the
implementation
expenses
and
I
think
councilwoman
rometoworth
brought
this
up,
but
I
don't
have
a
clear
idea
of
what
those
implementation
expenses
are
and
if
we
even
need
an
fir
for
this,
because
I
I
see
how
we'll
how
we'll
be
splitting
the
revenue,
but
I
don't
see
how
what
are
the
implementation
needs
at
the
at
the
at
the
forefront.
C
M
Mr
chair
cancer,
so
included
in
the
the
building
until
we
start
issuing
out
violations,
everything's
gonna
be
put
together
for
the
business
rules
and
the
whole
program,
so
nothing's
gonna
be
due
until
those
violations
are
issued
and
it
comes
full
circle.
M
M
C
M
No,
the
only
expenses
that
will
occur
is
once
violations
are
being
issued
and
when
hearings
begin
or
once
the
violations
are
being
paid
and
they
go
full
circle
whatever's
collected
on
those
fees,
that's
when
the
porsche
goes
to
the
state.
The
portion
goes
to
the
vendor
and
then
whatever
our
portion
is,
that
goes
there
and
it's
the
revenue,
that's
used
to
operate
the
program,
but
the
only
other
expense
would
be
for
the
hearing
officer.
M
M
Councillor
video,
so
the
first
notice
goes
out:
that's
covered
under
the
expense
by
the
vendor
as
part
of
the
service
they
provide
to
us.
If
we
request
a
subsequent
notice
go
out,
then
we
would
be
responsible
for
that
cost
of
that
second
notice.
If
we
choose
not
to
do
that
second
notice,
then
we
wouldn't
incur
cost
for
that.
Second
notice.
C
C
An
intersection
here
of
trying
to
decide
how
to
move
forward.
I
you
know
I
have
the
data
concerns,
but
I
think
what
brought
up
was
brought
up
by
my
colleagues
about
calibration
the
consistency
of
calibration.
C
I
also
was
concerned
about
the
contract
length
change.
I
thought
it
was
helpful
to
have
something
shorter,
so
we
could
pilot
it.
If
you
want
to
say
that
pilot
it.
So
we
could
see
how
it
goes.
The.
C
Structure
of
revenue
still
bothers
me
with
the
state
being
taking
that
piece
and
the
40
going
to
the
vendor,
and
then
these
potential
privacy
issues,
that's
just
that
was
actually
something
I
was
going
to
bring
up
the
last
time
about
a
al
prs,
but
we
ended
up
not
hearing
this
item
until
now.
So
yeah
there's
just
a
lot
that
gives
me
pause.
C
I
don't
know.
I
we
haven't
heard
from
the
chair
and
my
colleague
has
her
hand
up
so
I'll
yield
the
floor
for
now
and
see
how
we
want
to
move
forward.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Councilman
verio.
I
was
gonna,
ask
the
same
question,
but
maybe
for
clarification,
councilwoman
romero
worth.
If
this
contract
gets
denied
at
finance
and
then
gets
denied
a
quality
of
life,
then
it's
done
right.
It
doesn't
even
go
to
city
council
or
am
I
wrong?
Would
it
still
go
to
city
council.
B
Okay,
and
so
if
we
so,
I
guess,
if
we
are
serious
about
maybe
a
pilot
project,
then
this
should
probably
be
postponed
and
we
should
take
our
time
on
developing
a
pilot
project
through
this
committee
and
quality
of
life
or,
if
it's
not,
then
I
think
we
just
vote
to
deny
it
quality
of
life
votes
to
deny
it,
and
then
it's
done
but,
like
I
said,
I'm
willing
to
entertain
a
motion
to
postpone
it
for
the
purpose
of
working
on
a
pilot
project,
but
otherwise,
let's
just
stop
the
bleeding.
B
I
guess
for
lack
of
a
better
term
and
you
know
deny
it
and
let
quality
of
life
guys.
I
can't
see
it
passing
quality
of
life
in
two
days
and
that's
what
it's
noticed
for
on
the
the
agenda
either
and
then
it's
just
it's
done
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
put
into
it
by
this
staff.
Definitely
to
this
point
so
that
that
would
those
would
be
my
thoughts.
Thank
you,
councilman
vrael,
for
for
for
asking
my
opinion.
Councilwoman
cassette.
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
try
very
similar,
similar
comment
that
you're,
you
know
scheduled
for
quality
of
life
in
two
days
with
three
of
us
sitting
on
quality
of
life,
and
it
seems,
like
we've,
asked
a
lot
of
questions
in
terms
of
as
council
romeroworth
said,
making
the
case
really
making
the
case
and
really
spelling
out
a
pilot
project
for
this,
and
I
I
think
I
do
well.
I
think
I
do
echo
council
romero
worth's.
F
Wishes
that
that
that
had
been
what
had
been
presented
now,
really
that
that
we
did
have
a
true
pilot
really
looking
at
the
measurement
looking
at
the
evaluation,
I
am
in
a
similar
position
that
I
am
willing
to
be
persuaded
at
this
juncture
that
I'm
willing
to
still
be
looking
at
what
some
of
these.
F
You
know
that
I'm
not
at
the
point
of
let's
ignore
this,
but
I
do
really
want
to
see
it
come
back
to
finance.
Looking
at
some
of
the
issues
that
we
have
brought
up
in
terms
of
a
planned
evaluation.
F
You
know
I'm
looking
at
that
that
map
right
now
and
if
I
just
look
at
speed
related
crash
areas,
that's
nine
cameras.
So
this
is
a
very
big
difference
from
two
to
four
to
six
to
nine,
a
lot
of
a
lot
lack
of
clarity.
In
how
many
cameras,
you
feel
would
be
necessary
for
a
pilot
where
we
really
feel
these
would
be
based
on
data,
not
just
the
crms.
I've
had
multiple
multiple
instances
where
I
have
constituents
asking
for
traffic
calming
and
I
will
speak
with
pd
and
you
guys
will
say
hey.
F
It
just
looks
like
they're
speeding
a
lot
in
this
area,
but
when
we
actually
look
at
the
data
it
doesn't
match
up,
which
I
think
is
similar.
What
we
need
to
do
here
is
really:
we
have
the
tools
to
catch
that
data.
We
have
the
tools
to
understand
where
speeding
is
really
an
issue,
and
so
I
would
really
like
to
see
this
come
back
in
a
proposal
for
a
pilot
that
is
well
thought
out.
F
Some
of
these
issues
that
we
are
asking
about
revenue,
if
that's
the
case,
that
the
community
service
would
be
going
to
parks
and
that
we'd
be
able
to
pull
revenue
from
those
contracts.
Great,
I'm
I'm
happy
that
a
revenue
source
has
been
identified
and
I
would
love
to
see
that
so
that
would
be.
My
proposal
is
to
table
this
until
a
date
certain
and
I
will
look
to
director,
ochoa
chief
padilla
and
your
team,
for
when
you
feel
that
that
could
be
prepared
for
us
and
we
can
revisit
it
again
then.
F
J
Mr
chair,
if
I
could
just
add,
I
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
I
think
I
I
don't
think
this
should
be
heard
by
quality
of
life.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
tabled
whatever
whatever
stops
it
here,
you
know
because
it
it
needs
work
and
you
you've
got
the
same
you're
going
to
have
the
same
issues
at
quality
of
life.
There's
just
no
need
to.
B
Go
through
that
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
I'll.
Second,
the
motion
director
ochoa.
N
Mr
chair
counselors,
we
appreciate
that
you
have
many
questions
that
we've
not
been
able
to
answer
here
today.
I
would
put
forward
that
part
of
what
this
is.
The
proposal
is
is
a
plea
for
increased
capacity
within
our
police
department.
So
what
I
would
wonder
if
this
would
be
acceptable
to
the
this
body,
and
the
chair
would
be
if
I
were
to
come
forward
with
a
scope
of
valuation
and
a
proposal
for
that
contract.
N
If
we
could
have
an
evaluation
that
accompanied
this
flexible
contract
for
stop
that
we
could
represent
both
things
to
you.
Staff
has
put
in
countless
hours
on
this
over
the
years
and
I
feel
that
going
back
to
the
drawing
board
on
this
without
capacity
to
help
produce
the
kinds
of
detailed
data
you're.
N
Would
it
be
acceptable
if
I
were
to
put
together
an
evaluation
proposal
that
would
accompany
the
project
that
we
call?
I
mean
that
we're
calling
a
pilot,
because
it
is
a
pilot,
we
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
work
in
our
community.
We
know
it's
worked
in
other
communities,
but
that
doesn't
mean
we
should
just
assume
it's
going
to
work
here.
Would
that
be
acceptable?
N
I
don't
I
I'm
very
reluctant
to
add
additional
burden
to
staff
after
all,
they've
already
put
in
into
this
now,
and
I
hear
that
over
the
years
you've
been
asking
for
a
pilot
project.
You
haven't
got
so
maybe
if
we
have,
you
know
an
evaluator
set
it
up
and
we're
approving
that
proposal
in
conjunction
with
this
proposal.
That
might
be
a
way
to
bring
it
forward.
Otherwise,
I
do
feel
that
this
body
is
basically
spoken
against
the
project
and
you
should
just
call
it
councilwoman
of
merrell
worth.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying,
and
I
think
an
evaluation
is
certainly
part
of
the
problem
right,
but
I
think
there's
some
other
things
that
have
been
brought
here
tonight
that
we
need
answers
to
and
that
we
also
need.
J
We
need
a
true
pilot.
I
I
don't
want
an
open-ended
contract
that
says
you
can
have
as
many
cameras
as
you
want.
I
want
to.
I
want
to
hear
whatever
it
is.
Three
cameras,
two
cameras,
four
cameras,
because
you
might
have
one
that
breaks.
You
know
you
wanna
have
an
extra
and
I
wanna
know
these.
The
data
tells
us
that
these
three
streets
or
four
streets,
one
in
each
council
district-
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
don't-
have
the
data.
I
can't
create
this
thing.
J
You
guys
need
to
do
that
are
the
most
problematic
streets
we
are
going
to
deploy
these
cameras.
You
know,
maybe
it's
two
cameras
or
let's
say:
let's
do
three.
Since
I'm
creating
the
program,
we
have
three
cameras:
you're
going
to
deploy
them
on
four
streets,
one
in
each
council
district
for
the
next
year
and
you'll
have
you'll,
have
the
extra
one
in
case.
J
Something
breaks,
but
mostly
you'll
be
able
to
move
them
around
and
let's
see
what
what
those
cameras
do
to
the
speeding
on
those
four
streets
that
are
the
most
problematic
based
on
the
data
and
we'll
do
it
for
a
year
with
the
ability,
if
it,
if
it,
if
it,
according
to
certain
criteria,
you
know
if
it's,
if
it's
working
and
we've
built
trust
with
the
option
to
to
extend
another
year
or
you
know
what
it.
What
you
know.
Something
like
that.
J
But
I
think
we
need
answers
to
these
other
things.
You
know
the
administrative
costs
are
concerning
the
shift
of
the
burden
from
you
know,
usually
you're
you're
you're
innocent
until
proven
guilty
in
this
case
you're
guilty.
Until
you
can
prove
your
innocence.
B
Well,
I
I
think
if
we,
let's
postpone
it
till
the
20th,
see
what
you
can
pull
together
between
now
and
then
miss
ochoa
bring
it
back,
and
I
mean,
if
we're
still
not
satisfied,
then
maybe
we
we
voted
down
at
that
point
or
maybe
we
get
closer
and
there's
a
little
more
tweaking.
We
can
do
there
and
then
move
it
on
to
quality
of
life,
but
that
would
be
certainly
be
my
preference.
B
F
No,
I
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
I
I
don't
feel
that
it's
a
complete
start
over
that
there
is
a
starting
point
here
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
questions,
we'll
we'll
happily
email
a
number
of
questions
so
that
at
the
20th
that
there
is
a
broader
conversation
that
can
have
so
that
was
all
I
was
going
to
add.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
D
Yes,
council
vero,
yes,
counselor,
lindell,
she's
out,
okay,
counselor
romero
worth
yes
and.
B
Counselor
agent,
yes,
okay,
thank
you
so
that
item's
been
postponed.
We're
going
to
move
on
to
item
e,
which
is
a
request
for
approval
of
the
agreement
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
axon
enterprise
inc
in
the
total
amount
of
five
million
four
hundred
eighty
one
thousand
nine
hundred
thirty
seven
dollars
and
fifteen
cents
for
five
years
for
providing
body-worn
cameras,
in-car
cameras,
interview,
room
cameras,
less
lethal
taser
devices,
empathy,
training
devices
and
all
associated
equipment
and
software
to
manage
the
provided
devices.
B
In
addition
to
the
equipment,
digital
media
evidence,
management,
cloud
services
will
be
provided,
the
equipment
and
services
are
to
increase
quality
and
reliability
of
digital
evidence,
efficiency,
accountability
and
officer,
and
public
safety.
This
was
pulled
by
councilwoman
lindell.
She
had
to
leave,
but
her
concern
was
regarding
the
officers
and
their
support
of
this
program.
Chief
padilla
is
this
something
that
not
only
the
the
management
and
the
department
supports,
but
is
it
something
the
officers
also
are
in
support
of.
O
Yes,
mr
chair,
one
percent:
the
officers
are
in
favor
of
this
new
technology.
O
C
So
because
these
issues
nationally
have
been
a
concern,
I
just
want
to
verify
that
this
is
not
the
case
for
this
particular
technology.
Is
there
facial
recognition
technology
included
in
this
agreement.
M
Mr
chair
counselor
guardian,
it
does
use
artificial
intelligence
much
like
an
iphone.
M
So
if
you're
looking
for
things
that
you're
trying
to
protect,
for
example,
if
you
have
my
picture
in
the
frame
and
I'm
a
victim
that
needs
to
be
blurred
out
because
of
the
crime
that
was
committed,
it'll
track
my
face
until
it
falls
off
the
frame
and
then
once
it
comes
back
on
use
that
device
to
go
and
put
it
back
on
so
protects
those
that
are
victims
of
you,
like
a
child
victim
who
was
abused
or
if
you
have
a
sexual
assault
victim.
So
we
can
protect
them
per
ipra.
M
So
it
does
have
that
type
of
smart
technology.
That's
included
with
it.
M
That's
correct:
it
won't
scan
my
face
and
say
that's,
mr
valdez,
you
know
what
it's
for
is
that
it
has
an
object
that
you
tie
it
to
it'll
stay
there
and
that's
for
use
in
its
redaction
process
when
we
have
to
do
like
a
public
release
of
a
video
for
a
victim
of
a
you
know,
a
serious
crime
where
they
would
be
protected
under
oprah.
C
Okay,
I
yeah.
I
think
that
we
need
to
distinguish
what's
redacted
the
redaction
process
versus
like
the
actual
facial
recognition
technology,
so
I'll
just
put
a
pause
there
on
that,
and
then
is
there
license
plate
recognition
technology
in
the
package.
M
C
Okay,
thank
you
and
then,
where
is
the
funding
coming
from
to
support?
Can
you
remind
us,
I
did
see
the
bar,
but
can
you
remind
us
where
the
funding
is
coming
from
to
support
this
pretty
pretty
big
contract?
So
can
you
break
that
down
for
us.
K
Thank
you
ben
mr
chair
councillor,
via
the
majority
of
the
funding,
is
coming
from
gross
receipts,
taxes
that
were
earned
by
the
city
in
excess
of
what
was
budgeted.
The
that's
about
nine
hundred
thousand.
The
balance
of
that
is
coming
from
positions
that
the
police
department
has
elected
to
keep
to
earn
revenue
off
of
vacancy
savings.
So
that
is
the
balance
of
that
about
three
hundred
thousand.
C
Okay,
thank
you
so
remind
me,
director,
mccoy.
We
did
budget
for
upgrading
body
cameras.
All
of
us
agreed
to
that.
So
do.
Can
you
remind
me
what
that
amount
was.
K
M
C
For
some
reason
I
do
remember
we
talked
about
upgrading
cameras,
we
talked
about
needs
in
the
evidence
room,
and
so
we
actually
budgeted-
and
I
can't
remember
the
amount
so
I'd
like
to
know
what
that
amount
is
and
then
compare
it
to
what
we're
requesting
here,
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
what's
being
requested
here,
it
does
make
sense.
I
mean
I
understand
the
importance
of
upgrading
our
cameras
and
putting
the
right
technologies
so
that
it
will
be
more
efficient
for
you
all
to
utilize.
C
I
just
want
to
see
the
budget
number
from
these
pieces.
I
mean
because
there's
a
few
things:
it's
not
just
upgrading
the
body
cameras
and
then
the
evidence
room,
but
there
were
some
other
things.
So
if
you
can,
I
don't
know
if
director
mccoy
can
send
that
to
me,
I'd
like
to
see
what
we
actually
approved
and
then
what
this
request
is
and
compare
it
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
was
about
so
how
many
patrol
officer
positions
do
we
have
currently.
M
No,
the
75
to
80
is
inclusive,
that
of
that
169.
C
M
Mr
chair
counselor
pad
yeah.
That's
that's
a
great
question.
The
reason
being
is
not
only
do
our
patrol
officers
detectives,
sergeants
captains,
lieutenants,
even
the
chiefs,
wear
body
cam,
but
also
our
public
safety
aides
and
our
animal
services
officers
that
are
in
the
field.
They
also
wear
a
body
worn
camera
for
those
two
civilian
positions.
It's
not
required
by
was
passed
in
a
house
bill
8,
but
the
city
of
santa
fe
police
department.
We
have
always
included
them
in
the
in-car
camera
and
body-worn
camera
programming.
C
Okay,
that's
helpful,
I
think,
let's
see.
C
B
B
Second
and
a
second
okay,
can
I
have
a
roll
call?
Please,
yes,
counselor
cassette.
C
D
B
Counselor
romero
worth
yes
councillor,
beta,
yes,
okay.
The
item
passes.
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
to
item
f,
which
was
a
request
for
approval
to
use
cooperative
agreement
number
zero,
four,
two
zero
one:
six
dash
wax
source
wall,
formerly
national
joint
powers,
alliance
with
wax
bank
for
the
purchase
of
fuel
for
the
police
department
fleet
and
the
total
estimated
amount
of
two
million
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
again.
Councilwoman
lindell
had
pulled
this
and
her
question.
K
Mr
chair,
we
can
do
that.
I
think
the
move
across
the
city
is
to
move
more
towards
hybrids
and
electric
vehicles
to
be
able
to
realize
the
environmental
benefits,
as
well
as
the
budget
benefits
for
this.
So
we
can
go
ahead
and
start
that
process
of
tracking
that
information.
Okay,.
C
You,
mr
chair,
follow
up
to
that
question.
So
if
we
are
utilizing
fleet,
that's
more
efficient,
so
this
estimated
million
it
could
be
potentially
less.
Is
that
just
the
cap
that
we're
looking
at
in
terms
in
terms
of
fuel
clock
costs.
M
M
Right
now,
we're
implementing
hybrid
vehicles
where,
as
we
replace
the
vehicles
or
transition,
those
vehicles
to
hybrid
electric,
we're,
seeing
a
lot
of
great
gains
with
that
already
with
some
of
our
patrol
vehicles,
where
I
know
the
last
time
we
talked,
I
told
you,
nine
to
ten
miles
per
gallon,
they're,
actually
getting
double
that
with
these
new
vehicles.
M
So
that's
a
huge
improvement,
but
one
thing
we
have
seen
with
the
trend
is:
there
has
been
an
increase
in
fuel
cost,
so
fortunately
we
were
able
to
get
some
hybrids
in
there,
but
with
those
fuel
costs
we
still
have
a
number
of
naturally
aspirated
vehicles
that
are
still
using
quite
a
bit
of
fuel.
C
Thank
you
for
that.
I
guess
I'm
just
curious,
then,
is
that,
like
the
most
we
would
be,
I
mean
if
we
have
this
contract.
If
we
end
up
utilizing
less
fuel,
I
mean
the
the
costs
are
going
up,
but
they're
actually
still
at
a
fairly
low
level
right
now.
So
what
does
that
look
like?
Does
that
mean
we
can
adjust
the
contract
each
year
as
needed,
or
how
does
that
work.
M
Mr
chair
counselor
video,
that's
the
maximum
that
would
be
allowed
for
that
contract,
so
we
could
not
exceed
that
if
we
do
get
close
to
that.
For
some
reason,
we'd
have
to
come
back
to
request.
You
know
a
change
of
the
contract
and
to
get
approval
for
that.
Now.
If
we
don't
utilize,
what's
totally
allocated
in
that
contract
due
to
fuel
savings
through
hybrid
vehicles,
then
we
just
utilize
what
we
need
to,
even
if
it
doesn't
meet
that
maximum
and
then
we
go
from
there.
M
J
D
B
Okay,
so
that
item
passes.
That
brings
us
to
the
last
item,
which
is
item
al
one
request
for
approval
of
bar
amendment,
tolerate
four
million
dollars
for
use
of
general
fund
grt
revenues
earned
in
the
prior
year,
fy21
above
budget
revenue
to
fund
the
south
center
southside
teen
center
project
and
miss
mccoy.
B
I
know
the
contract
still
has
to
make
its
way
through
committee,
but
I
pulled
this
so
that
the
bar
for
accounting
accounting
purposes
can
continue
to
move
forward
and
all
the
monies
be
pulled
together
because
I
know
they're
coming
from
different
sources,
and
so
I
don't
have
any
specific
questions
for
you.
Any
questions
from
the
members
of
the
committee.
C
Did
you
want
to
tell
us
staff
want
to
tell
us
about
sorry,
mr
chair,
I'm
getting
tired.
Did
staff
want
to
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
the
increase
and
why
it's?
Why
it's
that
particular
amount?
We
know
that
construction
costs
are
going
up,
so
I'm
assuming
that's
the
main
reason.
Is
there
anything
else
we
should
know
about.
R
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
a
quick
question,
so
the
contract,
when
will
it
be?
Will
we
hear
the
contract
at
our
next
finance
committee
meeting
which,
when
is
it
we
council,
councillor
cassette
and
I
were
debating
the
date?
I
believe
it's
september
20th.
B
That's
correct,
okay,
I
mean,
and
I'm
not
sure
that
if
it
would
actually
come
back
to
finance
because
it
goes
to
public
works
and
then
it
would,
it
would
technically
be
able
to
go
to
governing
body
and
instead
of
causing
more
delays
and
potentially
more
cost
right,
I
would
prefer
that
it
does
do
that,
so
if
it
does
make
it
through
public
works
and
utilities,
my
direction
would
be
try
to
get
it
on
governing
body,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
it.
R
Mr
chair
counselor,
romero
wirth.
My
hope
is
that
we
can
honor
the
dates
that
we've
already
set
out,
which
would
be
the
seventh
for
public
works
and
the
eighth
for
governing
body.
I
do
have
some
insurance
issues
that
arose
on
friday
that
I'm
trying
to
work
through
I'm
meeting
with
our
insurance
company
tomorrow
afternoon
to
try
and
iron
that
out
and
with
a
little
bit
of
luck
and
hard
work.
We
we're
hopeful,
we'll
be
able
to
maintain
those
next
two
dates.
R
I
B
Okay,
is
there
a
motion
regarding
l1.
I
B
No,
not
if
we
don't
have
to
because
it's
going
to
go
to
public
works
and
then
it'll
be
well
it'll,
be
a
discussion
at
governing
body.
Okay,
thanks!
Okay,
can
I
have
a
roll
call?
Please.
B
K
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
We
can
start
the
discussion
on
arpa
funds.
I
know
you
mentioned
earlier.
You
wanted
to
discuss
it
from
matters
from
the
chair
matters
from
the
committee,
so
we
can
go
ahead
and.
B
Yeah,
well
briefly,
I
know
it's
late,
but
I
I
we
do
need
to
talk
about
the
role
the
finance
committee
is
going
to
have
in
the
distribution
of
these
funds
and
the
timing
and
whether
or
not
we
need
to
meet
as
a
smaller
group,
a
few
of
us
or
how
we
move
forward
so
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Miss
mccoy,
okay,.
K
I'm
going
to
share
a
brief
presentation
that
we
put
together
on
arpa
funds.
So
arpa
was
the
federal
legislation
that
passed
earlier
this
year,
which
created
both
the
coronavirus
state
fiscal
recovery
fund,
as
well
as
the
local
fiscal
recovery
fund
combined.
This
provided
about
350
billion
in
federal
assistance
to
state
local
tribal
entities
and
the
amount
that
santa
fe
is
set
to
receive
is
just
a
little
over
15
million.
Again.
K
What
are
the
next
steps
that
we
are
proposing
to
be
able
to
allocate
the
15
million
a
series
of
community
engagement
in
order
to
solicit
input
from
the
public
on
the
city's
use
of
these
funds?
So
the
city
will
establish
this
public
input
process,
develop
a
budget
plan
again
similar
to
the
annual
budget.
The
city
is
proposing
to
present
a
recommended
budget
plan
for
the
15
million
in
arpa
funds
to
the
this
committee
for
consideration
and
similar
to
our
annual
budget
process.
K
The
finance
committee
would
then
present
a
recommendation
via
a
vote
to
the
full
governing
body.
So
that's
what
we
have
to
look
forward
to
in
the
coming
months
to
be
able
to
allocate
the
15
million
in
federal,
arpa
money.
B
K
Chair
counselors,
that's
a
great
question.
That's
really
why
we
wanted
to
bring
this
up
in
matters
from
a
staff
this
evening
to
solicit
the
input
from
this
committee
about
that.
K
Timeline
is
we
can
we
are
prepared
to
start
this
process,
beginning
with
community
engagement
and
we're
also
interested
in
understanding
from
this
committee's
perspective
of
what
community
the
community
engagement
process
should
look
like.
B
K
K
B
Okay,
councilman
cassette.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
so
to
confirm
mary.
It
sounds
like
in
the
next
few
months.
So
probably
we'd
want
to
be
ready
to
disperse
funds
by
about
january.
Is
that
what
I'm.
K
Mister
chair,
counselor
kasselwood.
Unfortunately
we
do
not
have
a
firm
timeline
on
that,
but
we
do
want
to
ensure
that
the
planning
process,
which
we
understand
takes
time
to
be
to
get
that
underway.
So
when
we
are
ready
and
when
we
have
received
the
final
award
from
the
department
of
treasury,
we
would
be
ready
to
allocate
those
funds
via
a
vote
by
the
governing
body.
F
And
do
you
have
some
information
on
what
some
other
municipalities
have
done
in
terms
of
public
engagement
and
potentially
lessons
learned?
It
sounds
like
it's
a
bit
of
a
a
bit
of
a
fine
balance
of
allowing
enough
time
for
public
engagement
as
well
as
especially
since
some
of
this
will
most
likely
be
emergency
funds
to
being
ready
to
pump
the
you
know
to
get
dollars
out
where
we
need
to
get
them
out.
So
do
you
have
any
feedback
or
things
that
you've
looked
into
in
terms
of
what
other
communities
have
done
for
public
engagement
or.
F
K
Yes,
mr
chair,
counselor,
kasser,
that's
a
great
question.
We
have
looked
at
other
cities,
usually
the
public
engagement
process.
Public
input
process
entails
a
few
public
meetings,
city-wide,
potentially
district
specific
and
then
a
presentation
to
the
governing
body
on
what
resulted
from
the
public
input
sessions.
F
And
are
those
public
input
sessions?
Is
it
a
free-for-all?
Is
it
do
we
provide
them?
I
would
imagine,
there's
there's
a
framework
here,
there's
certain
things
that
these
dollars
can
be
used
for.
I
know
that
staff
has
already
been
thinking
about
this.
Are
we
more
thinking
of
a
open
forum
of
give
us
any
and
all
ideas,
or
are
we
thinking
about
presenting
a
pro
proposal?
F
Let
me
put
it
this
way.
I
think
a
hybrid
of
this
would
be
would
be
really
good.
I
think
that
they're
something
that
I've
been
noticing
with
some
other
public
engagements,
is
sometimes
having
something
to
react
to
helping
helps,
bring
out
reactions,
but
also
allowing
enough
flexibility
that
the
community
really
can
that
what
is
being
presented
is
more
more
than
anything
is
a
starting
point,
but
I
do
think
that
that
can
help
shape
the
conversation.
F
N
F
Curious
to
hear
you
know
the
thoughts
of
the
other
members
of
this
committee,
but
finding
some
type
of
combination
of
that
would,
I
think,
be
beneficial.
Do
you
have
experience
or
thoughts
on
that
or
lessons
learned
from
other
places.
K
N
Have
put
together
an
initial
sort
of
scope
around
community
engagement,
and
you
know,
as
as
director
mccoy
said
it
can,
it
can
be
a
lot
or
a
little,
but
I
think
you're
right,
you
know
having
something
to
to
sort
of
bounce
off
of
and
know
what
we're
looking
at.
At
the
same
time,
we
want
to
be
efficient
in
getting
the
funds
out
that
we
can
get
out
given
the
need
in
the
community.
N
So
I
think
you
know
a
combination
of
listening
to
presenting
or
allowing
for
public
comment
at
city
council
potentially
doing
some
district
level
or
combined
district
level
meetings.
Surveying
is
a
tool
that
can
be
valid
as
well
as
the
schools
you
may
have
seen.
The
schools
did.
So
we
have
some
bullet
points
on
a
proposed
set
of
ideas
for
a
scope
that
we
can
share
with
this
this
group
and
maybe
get
some
feedback
on
if
you'd
like.
N
I
think,
ultimately,
you
know
we're
hearing
from
a
lot
of
community
members.
I
know
you're
all
probably
hearing
from
constituents
as
well
as
community
groups
on
different
needs,
and
you
know
I
think
we
have
some
initial
ideas.
We
can
ask
the
community
about
having
having
informally
heard
on
some
needs
child
care.
The
presentation
earlier
was
one
example.
N
Our
addiction
crisis
is
another
public
safety
needs
is
another,
so
you
know,
I
think,
broad
categories
for
the
public
to
respond
to
is
useful.
F
Wonderful
yeah,
I
think
getting
that
the
proposal
and
scope
of
work
that
you
guys
are
together
and
being
able
for
us
to
react
to.
That
would
be
helpful
and
again
I
think
it's
going
to
be
an
interesting
balance
of
as
you
put
akira.
You
know
making
sure
that
we
are
really
getting
the
the
public's
feedback
as
well
as
there
is
a
importance
of
being
ready
to
get
these
dollars
out.
F
You
know
if
the
dollars
might
come
out
in
a
few
months.
I'd
like
to
be
ready
to
that.
We
have
the
plan
in
place
to
expend
them.
I
don't
want
them
sitting
around
for
too
long.
It's
really
important
to
get
these
things
out
into
the
community.
We
know
that
a
lot
of
people
are
really
struggling
so
being
able
to
maybe
pass
something
by
the
end
of
the
calendar
year
would
be
just
kind
of
based
on
this.
F
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
think
the
other
thing
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
this
pot
of
money,
as
you
outlined,
isn't
just
sort
of
up
for
grabs.
There's
some
stuff.
J
We
need
to
be
doing
for
our
own
budget
and
one
of
the
things
you
talked
about
was
revenue
replacement,
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
this
committee
to
know
you
know
what
level
of
revenue
replacement
do
we
require
based
on
you
know
what
what
we
did
in
this
time
and
then
also,
I
don't
know
where
our
reserves
are,
but
I
know
we
dipped
in
pretty
heavily
to
our
reserves
and
thank
goodness
we
had
them
and
thank
goodness
you
know,
we
had
recently
voted
to
increase
them,
because
I
think
we
would
have
been.
J
I
mean
we.
We
got
a
textbook
example
of
why
we
build
reserves
and
how
critical
they
are
in
a
crisis
like
this,
an
unprecedented
crisis,
and
so
I
don't
know
where
we
are
in
terms
of
rebuilding
those,
but
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
kind
of
a
sense
of
that
bigger
picture.
This
isn't
just
15
million
dollars
of
hey.
J
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I've
been
asking
about
this
for
months,
so
I'm
just
happy
we're
having
this
conversation
now,
because
I
I
feel
like
deploying
funds
strategically
is
important,
obviously
with
there's
urgency
for
our
community
members
and
then
there's
also
need
to
be
strategic.
I
guess
I'm
just
wanting
us
to.
C
C
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
like
public
hearings
that
has
a
structured
conversation
based
on
what
our
practitioners
are
saying,
and
I
say
that
because
we
have
so
many
partners
that
are
on
the
ground,
doing
the
their
service
providers
and
there
are
num
our
non-profit
partners
and
they
know
very
well
what's
needed
out
there.
So
I
guess
I
would
defer
to
having
a
a
conversation
with
them
first
to
get
kind
of
the
lay
of
the
land,
because
a
lot
of
them
know
what's
needed
and
what
arpa
funds
could
actually
cover.
C
So
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
actually
ask
people
that
are
on
the
ground,
because
we
don't
provide
programs
necessarily,
we
rely
on
non-profit
partners,
so
I'd
rather
us
let
go
to
their
expertise
because
they
have
it.
C
It
was
what
julie
sanchez
sent
out,
which
was
priority
areas
that
were
outlined
by
policy
link,
which
always
has
some
great
information,
especially
as
it
relates
to
equity
and
dispersing
funds
in
an
equitable
manner,
and
I
was
trying
to
find
that
document.
I
can
look
for
it
again,
but
she
sent
it
out
to
some
of
us
and
I
just
think
it
would
be
important
to
look
at
that.
C
If
we
are
looking
at
revenue
replacement
to
me,
that's
really
open-ended.
So
I'd
rather
know
I'd
rather
see
how
we
can
make
sure
that
when
we
have
staff
doing
double
duty
jobs,
I'm
just
feeling,
like
that's
a
whole
level
of
burnout,
that
we're
going
to
keep
seeing-
and
I
don't
want
to
keep
putting
that
on
our
staff
to
have
these
double
duty
positions
and
so
how
we
can
unfreeze
certain
positions,
especially
in
areas
especially
in
departments
that
are
very
or
severely
understaffed.
C
So
I
know
there's
a
few
of
them,
so
I
guess
I
was
thinking
more
about
how
we
can
support
our
staff
and
get
them
to
the
level
they
need
where
they
we
are
giving
them
support
where
they
need,
because
I
just
feel
like
we're
everyone's
feeling
it.
So
I
don't
know
what
that
would
look
like.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
that
yeah,
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
good.
C
I
agree
with
my
colleague
about
having
options
to
kind
of
consider,
but
I
would
like
to
get
those
options
actually
from
our
colleagues
and
nonprofit
partners.
Instead
of
us
just
coming
up
with
potential
there's
a
lot
of
areas
we
could
cover,
so
I
just
it's
gonna
be
hard
to
try
to
figure
out.
But
again
I
I'd
like
to
be
looking
at
not
these
one-time
fixes
but
like
how
this
funding
source
could
go
go
further
in
terms
of
like
a
systemic
ways
of
support,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
looks
like.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So,
ms
mccoy
would
it
be
helpful,
is
say
a
couple
of
us
met
with
you
between
now
and
the
20th
to
start
kind
of
coming
up
with
with
like
a
way
forward
and
then
it,
but
in
the
mean
and
then
we'll
also
like.
B
Obviously,
if
one
or
two
of
us
do
it
we'll
include
the
other
finance
committee
meeting
members
I
don't
wanna
like
have-
I
don't
know
if
there's
quorum,
rules
related
to
that
or
not,
but
maybe
if
a
couple
of
us
can
start
with
you
first
and
then
as
the
chair
I'll
reach
out
to
the
other
finance
committee
meetings
or
include
them
in
in
the
email
chain
or
whatever
I'll
check
with
legal
to
see
what
the
rules
are.
B
But
this
way
we
could
help
you
kind
of
come
up
with
a
with
what
we
like
to
see
as
a
way
forward,
because
I
know
this
could
kind
of
be
difficult
for
you
to
try
to
create
something
as
staff
and
then
you
bring
it
to
us
and
we're
like
no,
no,
you
missed
this
or
we
didn't
like
that
or
you
should
have
included
this.
Does
that
sound
reasonable
to
you
and
how
does
the
finance
committee
feel
about
something
like
that.
B
Okay,
how
does
that
sound
to
the
finance
committee.
C
So,
like
are
you
saying,
mr
chair,
an
informal.
B
Yeah
coordinated
meeting
like
well-
I
don't
know
like
if
there's
two
of
you
that
want
to
be
in
the
meeting
with
myself
and
miss
mccoy.
We
can
do
that
and
then
the
the
other
two
members
we
couldn't.
I
can
keep
informed
and
then
invite
them,
maybe
to
another
meeting
just
so
that
we
can.
We
can
do
that
between
now
and
the
20th
and
not
spend
the
time
at
the
our
regular
committee
meeting
having
to
deal
with
that,
because
we
have
all
these
other
cases
that
we
have
to
deal
with
so
kind
of
like
subcommittee.
C
On
that
point,
though,
I'm
just
wondering
it's
not
just
director
mccoy,
that's
involved
with
this.
I
mean
we've
talked
about
this
at
quality
of
life
and
economic
development
director
was
involved
and
affordable,
housing
would
probably
weigh
in
and
and
director
ochoa
would
weigh
in
as
well.
So
I'm
confused
like
how
we
are
part
of
that
conversation
when
you
all
also
or
have
probably
ideas
as
well.
I
don't
know
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
the
most
efficient
way
to
do
this.
B
E
I
think
councilor
cassette
had
her
hand
up
first,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
yeah.
I
didn't
see
that
sorry,
council,
councilman
cassette.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair
yeah.
I
think
councilwoman
better,
really
bring
up
a
point
that
it's
not
just
it's
meetings,
I
believe
mary's,
probably
the
the
folk,
the
connector,
but
that
there
are
going
to
be
different
directors
that
need
to
be
involved
in
this
conversation,
and
I
do
think
that
it's,
it
probably
is
important
work
that
we
need
to
do
and
spend
spend
a
good
amount
of
time
focusing
on
this
between
now
and
september
20th.
Given
the
timeline.
So
I
think
that
that
is
a
an
important
way
to
move
forward.
F
I
do
believe
that
there
is.
I
think
that
the
never
mind
I
won't
say
anything
because
that's
a
that's
a
legal
question
of
how
we
get
around
the
how
we
deal
with
the
challenge
of
a
quorum,
but
I
know
that
there
is
a
way
that
it's
essentially
if
the
information
is
not
shared
but
just
kind
of
all
filtered
through
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
that
that
might
be
how
it
how
it
works,
but
that's
something
we'll
have
to
speak
to
aaron
about.
F
But
yes,
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
important
idea
and
I
would
be
happy
to
assist
in
any
way
that
I
can
with
this
I
do
have.
I
do
have
some
capacity
that
I
could
be
throwing
in
this
direction.
J
Thank
you,
councilwoman
romero
worth.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
guess
I
just
have
concerns
about
the
rolling
quorum
issues
and
I
don't
know
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
this.
The
way
we've
outlined-
and
you
know
it
might
be
easier-
I'm
yeah,
it's
just
so
tricky
for
us.
You
know
the
budget.
J
The
way
the
budget
comes
down
right
is,
there's
a
you
know
the
executive
kind
of
outlines
something,
and
then
we
react
to
it,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
what's
going
to
happen
here
or
whether
we're
you
know
on
the
council
side
supposed
to
be
coming
up
with
something
or
how
we
make
those
two
things.
You
know
mesh
like
how
we
come
up
with
something
maybe
on
the
council
side
and
the
executive
comes
up
with
something
and
how
we
mesh
those
two
things.
J
B
Okay,
that
was.
Are
there
any
matters
from
the
committee.