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B
B
Okay,
changes
from
the
committee.
B
Yes,
okay,
we
have
approval
of
the
consent
agenda,
items
to
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda.
F
Lindell.
Thank
you
chair
item
e.
G
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
also
have
questions
on
item
I
and
item
z,
as
in
zebra.
I
J
I
I'd
also
like
to
pull
e
e
okay
e,
okay
and
councilwoman.
B
Okay
and
then
I'll
withdraw
item
b
just
so
I
could
recuse
myself
for
that,
because
it's
pertained
to
the
boys
and
girls
club.
So
then
what
I've
got
is
the
consent
agenda.
The
items
that
have
been
pulled
are
item
b
e.
I
C
H
B
Yes,
okay,
so
that
approves
the
consent
agenda.
Next
is
approval
of
minutes
the
regular
finance
committee
meeting
minutes
of
may
17
2021.
Are
there
any
changes
from
staff?
No
changes,
mr
chair?
Okay,
any
changes
from
the
committee
is
there
a
motion
regarding
the
minutes.
B
Yes,
okay,
so
that
brings
us
to
item
six
presentation:
6a,
a
bond
presentation
with
our
municipal
advisor
bond
council
and
staff,
one
refunding
of
the
2010
b
and
2012
a
bonds,
two
grt
bond
issuance
in
fy
22,
3
geo
bond
calendar,
a
capacity
and
four
geo
bond
impact
on
property
tax
rates,
staff.
L
Good
after
good
evening,
chairman
counselors
I'll
be
leading
this
here,
and
so.
The
first
item
is
the
refunding
of
the
2010
b
and
the
2012
a
bonds.
The
2010
b
is
the
rail
yard
infrastructure
bond
and
the.
L
2012,
a
is
a
cip
bond.
I've
included
a
bunch
of
documentation
in
the
packet
for
you,
we
have
a
calendar.
L
There
is
we've
already
written
the
bond
ordinance,
we've
already
written
the
pos,
and
we
also
have
a
peter
franklin,
our
bond
council
with
us.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
those,
we
have
a
draft
rfq
for
the
underwriter
we
have
a
and
what
I'm
sharing
with
you
is
the
savings
proposal
from
the
our
municipal
advisor
and
by
refunding
these
two
bonds,
the
city
will
save
roughly
one
million
three
hundred
forty
seven
thousand
net
present
value
of
one
point:
two:
nine
six
million.
L
L
We
have
a
net
present
value,
a
savings
of
8.79,
our
policy,
the
debt
policy
says
if
it's
over
and
it's
either
three
or
five
percent-
that
it's
a
transaction
we
should
participate
in.
B
H
L
It
means
exactly
refinance
it's
just
like
refinancing
your
house.
What
we're
doing
is
we
will
go
out
to
the
market
borrow,
you
know:
1
mil
14
million
475
745
000
and
pay
off
the
old
bonds
and
and
then
pay
a
lower
mortgage
payment
for
the
remainder
of
our
term.
L
Specifically,
probably
not
we'd
need
to
get
sam
or
someone
from
the
past,
but
the
infrastructure
bond.
It
was
not
the
garage.
L
I
don't
believe
it
was
correct.
I
think
it
was
like
putting
in
the
and
I
could
be
wrong,
but
parking
lots,
improving
the
roads,
sidewalks
water,
sewer,
electric.
You
know
basic
things.
H
L
L
The
municipal
advisor
bond
council
and
staff,
mary
mccoy,
the
finance
director
myself,
alexis
we
meet
regularly.
You
know
once
or
twice
a
year
to
review
what
our
options
are
with
the
debt
portfolio,
and
so
this
is
an
ongoing
monitoring
program,
we'll
be
back
in
about
a
year
and
a
half
to
do
the
13
and
14
bonds.
G
Great
I
just
wanted
to,
and
you
know
I
I
figured
that
you
were,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
looking
at
the
entire
portfolio
as
it
became
available
for
refinancing,
because
it
seems
like
we
have
the
ability
to
have
significant
savings.
However,
you
want
to
look
at
it
or
you
know
much
less
debt
really.
J
Thank
you,
councilwoman
romero
worth.
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
who's
impacted
by
the
refunding
of
this.
In
terms
of
so
you
mentioned
that
this
might
affect
the
rent
paid
by
the
leases
at
the
rail
yard,
and
it
affects
what
the
rail
yard
corp
pays
to
us
is
that
the
sum
of
it.
L
Through
the
terror
counselor
it
does,
it
doesn't
really
affect
the
master.
Lease
has
already
spelled
out
the
payments,
and
so
we
could
go
to
you
know,
I'm
sure
the
city
attorney's
office.
We
could
go,
do
an
amendment
11
or
12
now,
but
you
know
this
is
going
to
be.
L
I
don't
know
the
proration
the
allocation
between
the
two,
but
I
think
it's
50
50.,
so
it
would
be
about
150
000
a
year
that
you
know
if
the
city
chose
to
reduce
the
rail
yard
community
corps
payments
on
their
thing.
They
could
do
that,
but
it
would
require
renegotiation
of
the
master
lease.
L
My
guess
is
when
we
paid
off
the
two
tiny
nmfa
bonds
in
2018,
that
was
not
a
cause
to
renegotiate
the
master
lease,
the
city
they
kept,
paying
it
as
part
of
the
master
lease,
but
the
notes
were
paid
off
in
2018..
L
The
other
half
is
actually
the
general
fund,
and
you
know
the
fund
365.
Our
capital
account
would
save
the
money
because
that's
a
grt
cip
fund
bond,
so
that
would
reduce
yeah.
You
know
that
would
go
directly
to
fund
365.
J
Okay,
so
365
is,
is
a
line
item
correct.
J
Okay,
yeah
that
that
that's
russian
to
me,
I
know
it
means
something
to
you,
but
unless
you
give
me
a
chart
that
spells
out
what
365
is
means,
nothing,
okay,
I
just
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
I
mean.
Obviously
it's
seems
like
this
is
the
right
thing
to
be
doing.
I'm
just
curious
what
ripple
effect,
what
impact
it
has
as
we
do
this
so
that
it
would
be.
I
think,
helpful.
J
I
don't
know
if
there
are
other
people
involved,
who
know
more
of
the
details
and
could
give
us
some
indication
of
that.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
just
to
understand
the
ripple
effects.
L
The
the
ripple
mr
chair,
the
ripple
effects,
are,
we
say
the
city
saves
money,
you
know,
and
you
know
the
city
it'll
be
available
to
the
city
council
to
allocate
how
it
wants
the
fund.
365
is
the
primary
account.
We
pay
all
gross
receipts
tax
debt
out
of
for
all
cip,
it's
where
funds
are
spent
for
buying
capital
equipment
and
projects
for
public
works
and
other
departments.
L
From
the
city's
books
it
just
simply
reduces
the
amount
the
general
fund
would
have
to
subsidize.
The
rail
yard
fund.
B
L
Mr
chair,
if
I
may,
that
includes
my
revision
for
the
grt
for
the
year,
okay,
which
is
probably
to
do
with
my
grt
memo.
B
Okay
and
so
in
order
to
proceed
with
refunding
the
bonds,
is
it
a
resolution
that
one
of
the
members
of
the
governing
body
needs
to
sponsor
to
get
going.
L
Yes,
at
some
point
in
time
I
will
be
coming
to
the
governing
body.
I
do
have
a
calendar
also
for.
L
L
We're
right
here,
we've
already
are
going
to
be
circulating
the
rfq
for
the
underwriter.
This
is
again.
This
is
at
some
point
in
time.
It'll
be
introduced
at
the
may
governing
body
meeting
on
the
30th,
and
then
it
would
be
taken
up
by
first
reading.
B
To
you,
okay,
so
are
there
any
objections
to
this
calendar
from
the
committee
or
any
concerns
about
moving
forward,
as
proposed
by
staff.
B
Okay,
I
I
don't.
I
don't
hear
any
so
brad
if
you
can
continue
on
the
path
you
are
with
refunding
these
bonds.
That
would
be
great.
L
Mr
chair,
I
will
thank
you
and
I'll
say
peter
franklin.
Our
bond
council
is
a
great
help
on
these.
L
And
what
I
have
here
is
the
calendar
for
that
and
again
without
the
revision
to
grt.
Given
that
we've,
you
know
we
have
10
months.
We
received
the
10th
month
of
grt
in
the
bank
last
week
and
given
where
we
are
budget
wise
for
fy21,
we
didn't
expect
to
end
the
year
at
6
million,
almost
7
million
in
the
capital
fund.
L
But
you
know
like
30
days
ago,
we
told
public
works
director,
ms
wheeler,
that
she
would
have
no
capital
unless
we
issued
a
grt
bond
for
fy22
or
fy23,
and
so
that's
really
what
the
discussion
was
about
that
this
is
something
again
it's
entirely
within
the
city
council's
governing
bodies
control.
L
And
we're
here
to
discuss
the
calendar,
the
timing
of
it,
what
the
finance
committee
would
like
to
see
as
information
as
to
what
projects
timing
of
projects
that
would
like
to
be
done
so,
mr
chair,
this
is
really
an
opportunity
for
the
finance
committee
to
give
staff
direction
on
if
it
wants
to
go
this
direction
and
if
so,
how
would
it
like
to
proceed
and
here's
a
calendar
that
we
suggest?
Okay,.
L
It
would
be
well
within
the
cities
about
the
20
million
easily.
We
could
easily
issue
up
to
30
million.
B
B
L
With
the
grt
because
the
city
assesses
8.4375
on
all
eligible
transactions
within
the
city,
it
has
no
effect
on
that.
What
it
does
do
is
we
have
so,
let's
say,
grt
is
100
million
and
pledged
revenues
is
roughly
60
million,
and
our
debt
service
has
to
be
half
of
the
60
million
or
less
right.
Now,
the
city's
debt
service
is
roughly
25
million
on
its
way
to
17
million
in
2024,
and
we
would
have
a
borrowing
capacity
of
incurring
an
additional
mortgage
payment
to
use.
L
Go
back
to
the
mortgage
of
roughly
10
to
12
million
dollars
a
year
in
2024,
and
so
what
we're
saying
is?
Is
we
right
now
we
have
about
eight
million
seven
million
available
in
our
budget
for
mortgage
payments.
If
the
city
council
chooses
to
take
a
mortgage
out
on
what
we're,
not
borrowing
against
our
house,
we're
borrowing
against
future
grt
receipts.
J
L
When
I'm
looking
at
pledged
revenues
and
the
strength
that
grt
has
been
through
this
pandemic,
you
know
the
and
the
the
massive
decline
in
debt
service
coming
in
the
next
couple
years:
yeah
and
again,
when
you're
talking
about
mortgage,
you
know
it's
like
a
400
000
house.
My
mortgage
is
going
to
be
you
know
so
much
a
month.
In
this
case
you
know
you're
talking,
you
know
the
you
know
the
10
million
dollars.
How
much
of
our
pledged
revenues
is
that?
L
And
I
don't
have
that
calculation
in
front
of
me,
but
not
immaterial,
but
not
significant,
either.
L
L
The
producer
price
index
went
up
6.6
in
may
year
over
year,
and
so
I
mean
that's
what
they're
measuring
now
and
so
and
they're
saying
it's
transient,
but
we're
going
to
have
it's
going
to
persist
for
a
while.
You
know
through
the
year
through
the
end
of
next
year,
the
supply
chain
needs
to
get
fixed.
L
So
I
mean
you
know.
I
don't
know
how
long
this
inflation
is
going
to
last,
but
interest
rates
are
going
higher.
The
fed
said
so
they
met
last
week.
J
Mr
chair,
that-
and
I
think
this
is
this-
is
for
the
committee
not
for
our
staff,
but
you
know,
I
think
some
of
the
other
constraints
are
that
these
have
to
be.
I
think,
brad
said
spent
in
three
years
our
capacity
to
spend
the
money
we
need.
I
think
some
recommendations
from
staff
about
you
know.
What
of
all
I
mean.
I
know
we
have
millions
of
dollars
with
the
deferred
maintenance
in
the
city.
J
J
I
guess
my
point-
is
we
don't
want
to
bite
off
more
than
we
can
chew,
and
I
mean
I
think
we
need
to
do
this
and
we
need
to
do
it
regularly
like
we're
starting
to
do,
but
I
think
there's
some
other
parameters
that
we
have
to
think
about,
and
I
I
do
think
we
need
regina
and
company
to
give
us
a
list,
and
then
we
react
to
that
in
terms
of
the
overall.
K
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
I
do
want
to
echo
some
of
what
counselor
romero
worth
was
saying
about
some
of
the
proposals
that
oh
hi,
regina
she's
here
and
I've
actually
recently
been
speaking
with
regina
and
her
team.
A
lot
about
paving
I've
had
a
number
of
streets
in
my
district
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
about
deferred
maintenance,
especially
on
residential
streets,
and
this
has
been
something
that
I
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with.
Regina.
K
And
tomas
about
some
of
the
needs
in
in
in
our
community
and
and
how
much
paving
needs
to
be
done,
and
it's
really
it's
quite
astonishing,
and
so
that
that
is
what
I
would
like
to
hear
from
regina
about
about
how
this
money
would
be
spent.
And
I
know
regina.
We
had
spoken
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
staffing
challenges
that
if
we
get
this
money
and
how
we
spend
those
dollars
and
how
that
impacts,
our
ability
to
get
the
work
done
in
the
amount
of
time.
K
K
Regina
and
I
had
had
a
really
interesting
conversation
about
some
of
the
preventative
measures
that
we
could
and
don't
take
when
it
comes
to
street
paving
and
ways
that
we
can
make
our
our
pavement
last
longer,
so
that
we're
not
running
into
these
issues.
And
so
those
are
some
things
that
I'd
really
like
to
consider
with
this.
G
G
Balancing
inflation
and
and
rates
I
mean
it
seems
like
we
want
to
borrow
money,
certainly
while
the
rates
are
low,
but
if
we
can't
implement
that
money
and
do
projects
at
a
pretty
much
a
breakneck
speed
it
it
looks
like
inflation
is
going
to
take
a
sizable
bite
into
some
of
this
money.
Do
you
have
a
thought
on
that.
L
If,
if
we
were
to
say
take
the
the
30
million
issue
and
it
took
us,
you
know
we
did
it
right,
we
got,
we
spent
10
million
a
year,
so
the
first
year
we
would
lose
500
000
worth
of
purchasing
power
the
second
year
we
would
lose
a
million
dollars
of
purchasing
power
and
the
third
year
we
would
lose
1.5
million
dollars
of
purchasing
power
and
so
total
we
would
lose
over
the
three
years
three
million
dollars
in
purchasing
power.
L
That's
a
lot
yes
and
and
it's
real
and
again
so
it's
an
interesting
problem.
Not
only
is
the
city
finance
department
going
to
struggle
with
mr
chair,
but
the
federal
reserve
is
struggling
with
this
same
question.
L
How
do
we
have
such
high
inflation
in
such
low
interest
rates
and
if
it's,
if
it,
if
the
inflation
does
not
persist,
eventually,
our
purchasing
power
will
erode
at
a
lower
rate.
But
you
know
interest
rates
have
to
go
up
to
to
offset
that
erosion.
L
So
right
now
we're
sort
of
in
a
window
of
time
that
nobody
really
knows.
What's
going
to
happen,
how
fast
the
underlying
causes
of
inflation,
whether
it
be
printing
of
money,
just
a
book,
massive
borrowing
by
the
federal
or
the
the
treasury,
for
stimulus
and
infrastructure
projects?
G
Okay,
the
other
thing
is,
I
think,
that,
as
a
council
we're
going
to
need
to
review
and
have
a
very
serious
discussion
about
our
staffing
and
project
management
engineers,
I
mean
miss
wheeler.
How
many
times
have
we
put
out
for
an
engineer
and
not
been
able
to
hire.
P
Chairman
councillor
lindell,
thank
you
for
that
question.
I,
like
seven
times,
like
john
romero,
advertised
his
traffic
engineer
position
for
three
solid
years
since
I
got
here
and
never
never
got
a
qualified
applicant
and
we
just
did
it
again
and
did
not
get
a
qualified
applicant,
so
we're
we're
making
some
adjustments
to
that.
That's
the
answer.
Thank
you.
G
G
This
is
going
to
start
to
cut
in
and
be
costing
us
real
dollars,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
address
this
sooner
rather
than
later.
I
don't
want
to
wait
another
three
to
five
years
to
be
able
to
hire
a
traffic
engineer
that
doesn't
make
any
sense
we
we
will
have
lost
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
because
we
didn't
so
chair.
I
think
that
that's
a
discussion
that
we're
going
to
have
to
have
it's.
G
Otherwise,
we
just
aren't,
we
just
aren't
getting
the
traction
that
we
need
to
have
we're
asking
people
to
do
way
more
with
way
less
and
we
need
these
positions,
and
for
years
we've
seen
project
managers
that'll,
be
here
for
six
months
and
then
they're
gone
and
we
gotta
have
them.
I
mean
if
we
want
to
implement
these
kinds
of
projects.
G
P
Thank
you
chairman.
I
wanted
to
respond
a
little
bit
counselors
so
that
you're
aware
project
administrators
have
not
been
as
hard
to
get
as
professional
engineers.
Like
the
traffic
engineer.
They
don't
need
to
be
pes
and
we
we
are
actually
in
the
process
of
hiring
two
new
people
right
now,
one
great
one
from
outside
the
city
and
one
great
one
from
inside
the
city.
It's
true.
P
We
have
had
significant
turnover
in
this
area
because
they
are
a
really
valuable
skill
set
every
the
county
just
stole
like
three
project
administrators
boom
boom
boom
from
us,
but
they're
not
impossible
to
recruit,
and
I
did
just
successfully
work
with
bernadette
salazar
hr
director
to
create
a
career
ladder
so
that
our
highly
skilled
and
highly
certified
project
administrators
now
can
be
reclassified
into
a
higher
level,
with
higher
pay
for
retention
as
well
as
value,
and
so
I
think
you
know
you're
exactly
right.
P
We
do
need
to
definitely
look
at
our
capacity,
and
I
am
optimistic
that
we'll
have
strong
project
administrator
capacity.
P
Another
point
that
I
wanted
to
make
was
in
looking
at
this
grt
bond
for
all
the
reasons
that
all
the
counselors
have
mentioned,
I'll
be
recommending
a
significant
portion,
half
or
more
go
to
paving
because
there
aren't
huge
inflation
costs
there.
It
doesn't
have
steel,
it
doesn't
have
microchips,
it
doesn't
have
all
those
things
that
are
driving
costs
up
and
so
mark
brooks
can
deploy
five
million
dollars
a
year
boom.
So
we
can
get
it
spent
fast.
It
doesn't
take
a
lot
of
project
administration.
P
We
get
real
value
for
the
money.
We
can
start
doing
some
of
the
residential
roads
that
have
you
know
four
inch
wide
cracks
in
them
and
weeds
growing
out.
We
can
do
some
of
the
maintenance
work
that
we
discussed
like
fog
and
crack
ceiling
to
really
help
extend
the
life
of
the
pavement.
P
So
you
know,
I'd
probably
be
recommending
around
12
and
a
half
million
dollars
go
to
paving
and
that'll
give
us
a
chance
to
really
catch
up
on
some
roads
as
well
as
deploy
the
money
quickly,
and
I
think
those
were,
but
we
also
and
just
to
remind
the
governing
body
we
or
the
finance
committee.
We
did
get
additional
project
management
capacity
added
to
our
fy
222
budget.
That's
going
to
put
a
project
administrator
in
parks.
It's
going
to
put
a
project
administrator
in
transit.
P
It
adds
to
our
capital
project
planning,
capacity
and
reporting.
So
we,
you
know
we'll
be
getting
those
positions
in
a
in
a
week
or
so
with
fy
22
budget
coming
into
place
and
we're
making
plans
and
already
moving
ahead
with
recruitment
and
planning
for
those
positions.
So
it's
definitely
a
good
conversation
to
have
a
good,
important
thing
to
keep
our
eye
on
and
we're
already
starting
to
work
on
it,
both
in
our
design
of
the
grt
bond
as
well
as
in
the
stopping.
K
Cassette,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
director
wheeler
for
highlighting
some
of
those.
I
am
curious.
If
you
mentioned
career
ladders
is
one
way
that
we
can
improve
on
retention
of
these
project
administrators.
K
What
else
do
we
need
to
be
keeping
our
eye
on,
because
the
fact
that
how
many
did
you
say
three
just
left
us
for
the
county?
That's
that's
very
concerning
to
me,
and
I
know
that
it's
not
just
not
just
happening
in
in
your
department.
So
but
I
am
curious.
If,
from
what
you're
seeing?
What
else
do
we
need
to
be
keeping
our
eye
on
to
retain
our
staff
who
come
in
and
they
have
experience,
they
have
knowledge.
K
They,
you
know,
understand,
what's
happening
at
the
city
and
then
we
lose
them
and
then
we
have
to
start
all
over
as
we
hire
people
and
they're
wonderful
people.
But
of
course
you
have
to
onboard
and,
and
that
takes
time
and
and
you
know
to
counselor
lindell's
point
time
is
time
is
money
and,
and
it
hurts
us,
so
I'm
really
curious
about
what
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
be
keeping
our
eyes
on,
and
some
of
those
decision
points
that
we
need
to
be
considering
as
we
look
at
retaining
our
staff.
P
Thank
you,
chairman
and
counselor
casa
for
that
question.
This
answer
might
be
surprising
to
you,
but
I
think
the
second
place
to
look
besides
the
career
ladder
is
in
our
internal
processes.
What
makes
these
projects
take
a
long
time
to
deploy
is
not
the
project
managers,
it's
the
incredibly
cumbersome
and
unclear
internal
processes.
P
You
know
things
just
get
hung
up
for
months
on,
and
so
you
know
on
the
upside.
That's
one
of
the
reasons
our
project
administrators
can
handle
15
million
dollars
of
projects,
because
millions
of
dollars
of
projects
are
just
sitting
on
desks
around
the
city,
waiting
for
whatever
they're
waiting
for
and
it's,
and
so
we
could
go
faster
and
we
could
make
the
people
more
satisfied.
P
It's
very
frustrating
for
a
project
administrator
to
just
constantly
be
trying
to
jump
over
the
newest
hurdle,
which
you
know
happens
to
them
over
and
over
and
over
and
over,
and
it
gets
really
frustrating
is
you
know
sam
burnett
likes
to
call
it
it's
education
by
rejection,
we
don't
have
our
processes
documented,
they're,
completely
inconsistent,
they
take
a
long
long
time
and
and
it's
demoralizing
and
we
lose
our
better
people.
To
that,
I
would
say
so,
and
I
think
we're
beginning
to
take
a
look
at
that
as
a
team.
P
I
think
we're
going
to
be
really
taking
this
opportunity
of
the
munis
upgrade
and
of
sort
of
like
catching
our
breath
after
the
covet
emergency,
to
really
take
a
look
at.
How
do
we
optimize
our
internal
processes
to
help
our
capital
projects,
our
staff
and
you
know,
help
everybody
help
our
books
help
everything.
K
Thank
you
so
much
dr
wheeler.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
are
starting
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
you
know
please
continue
to
keep
us
updated.
Let
us
know
how
we
can
help
as
a
governing
body,
and
I
do
think
that
that's
a
really
important
piece
and
then
counselor
lindell
had
mentioned
the
traffic
engineer,
also
another
area
that
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
fact.
This
is
not
something
we've
been
able
to
fill
and
she
mentioned
probably
our
salary.
There
is
something
that
is
hindering
us.
K
P
Thank
you,
chairman
and
counselor
cassette
for
that
question
as
well.
I
think
we
did
just
adjust
the
salary
we
had
it
run.
Well,
we
actually
we
we
do.
We
eliminated
the
requirement
for
the
professional
engineer
license
and
we
allowed
for
the
person
to
achieve
their
professional
engineer
license
within
two
years,
so
that
was
a
significant
decrease
in
the
requirements.
However,
when
we
ran
that
through
safe
with
current
salary
in
the
marketplace,
the
salary
stayed
the
same.
P
I
think
the
challenge
with
that
position
is
two
things.
One
of
them
is.
We
need
a
stronger
recruiting
process
and
we've
been
discussing
this
right.
It's
not
just
posted
on
the
city's
website
for
two
weeks
is
not
gonna
find
you
great
candidates
from
all
over
the
country
as
competitive
as
the
market
is
here
I
mean
so
us
inside
public
works.
P
We
need
to
take
some
initiative
post
the
positions
for
a
month
make
sure
we
put
it
on
our
linkedin
that
we
get
it
out
on
a
professional
websites
that
we
use
our
networks
to
spread
the
word
about
these
available
these
positions,
and
so
we're
gonna
start
doing
a
better
job.
At
that.
The
other
thing
is
I.
I
just
think
that
youth
are
not
becoming
traffic
engineers
anymore,
even
multimodal
engineers,
and
so
it's
you
know.
P
It
really
is
a
shaking
the
tree
kind
of
a
thing,
maybe
building
relationships
with
colleges,
but
you
all
should
know
that
in
the
meantime,
we
do
have
a
professional
engineer
through
wilson
and
company,
that
is
performing
traffic
engineering
for
us
with
javier's
leadership
and
guidance,
and
so
I
think
we
have
30
requests
for
traffic
calming
projects
right
now
and
they're
starting
to
prioritize
them
and
take
a
look
at
them
and
do
initial
assessment
and
communicate
with
the
constituents.
So
it's
not
an
unworkable
situation
that
we
have
now.
P
I
think
it's
actually
quite
workable
and
then
we'll
continue
to
get
better.
You
know
stronger
at
our
recruiting
process
for
that
position.
K
Thank
you,
director,
wheel.
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
your
candid
answer
and
and
looking
at
your
own
opportunities
for
improvement,
I
really
really
appreciate
that
and
being
willing
to
share
them
with
us
here
in
this
forum.
So
thank
you
for
working
on
that,
and
I
do
know
that,
in
my
experience
with
some
of
the
traffic
requests
that
I've
received
from
constituents
that
part
of
the
hold
up
has
been
covered.
K
I
know
I
had
a
discussion
about
not
wanting
to
do
traffic
studies
during
covid
for
traffic
calming,
because
traffic
is
not
what
it
normally
is,
and
so
it
really
wouldn't
be
a
very
accurate
reading
of
whether
or
not
it
is
a
street.
So
I
I
know
that
that's
also
been
part
of
the
hold
up
in
some
of
those
requests
and
moving
some
of
those
pieces
through
that.
K
But
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
answer
these
questions
and
to
be
to
be
thinking
about
these
issues
and
looking
for
some
of
those
constructive
solutions
for
how
we
can
move
forward.
I
have
no
further
questions
at
this
time.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
B
Okay,
thank
you
director
willard,
so
we
heard
that
there's
looks
like
they're
6.8
million
dollars.
That's
going
to
become
available.
If
we
do
something
like
this
grt
bond,
then
potentially
20
to
30
million.
How
does
something
like
bicentennial
pool
get
addressed?
I
mean
because
then
people
are
going
to
say,
look
at
all
the
money.
The
city
has
why
not?
They
just
fix
the
pool,
even
if
it
costs
three
or
four
million
dollars.
So
I
what's
the
plan
for
for
getting
those
things
addressed
so
that
something
like
bicentennial
pool
does
get
rebuilt.
P
Thank
you
chairman
for
that
question.
Yes,
bicentennial
pool
is
on
the
top
of
the
list
for
that
grt
bond
for
sure.
So
I
think
whatever
we
need
to
rebuild,
that
pool
will
be
putting
that
on
the
list
for
consideration.
P
We
don't
have
the
quote
yet
even
still,
but
I
think
whether
it's
one
to
three
million
whatever
it
is
since
a
big
new
complex
as
council
romero
worth
reminded
us
that
a
few
meetings
ago
will
be
a
long
planning
process
and
then
design
and
construction
that
we
need
to
get
our
outdoor
pool
fix
that
we
have
and
then
take
that
as
a
separate
project.
P
There's
another
a
number
of
other
critical
needs
that
we've
all
actually
compiled
the
list
of
deferred
maintenance
needs
that
we'll
be
bringing
forward
with
this
sort
of
list
for
consideration
against
the
bond.
One
of
them
is
the
airport
is
about
to
go
out
to
bid,
and
it's
very
likely
that
bid's
going
to
come
back
in
over
budget
and
so
be
great.
If
we
say
it's
10
over
budget,
that's
10
million-
maybe
it's
going
to
be,
I
mean
that's
1
million.
P
Maybe
it's
going
to
be
2
million
over
budget
like
to
put
a
placeholder
in
the
grt
bond
for
that
as
well.
City
hall
is
got
serious,
serious
problems,
that's
city
hall's
carrying
about
a
10
million
dollar
repair
price
tag
on
it
right
now,
we'll
need
to
pick
and
choose
what
we
want
to
do
to
that
in
the
interim.
But
the
hvac
is
like
a
three
million
dollar
project.
P
M
P
Thanks
thanks
fred,
so
hinova
chavez
is
on
the
list
for
another
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
its
stucco.
It's
got
holes
in
it.
It's
allowing
air
to
go
back
and
forth,
and
so
we
are
compiling
the
list
of
critical
deferred
needs
and
I
think
bc
pool
will
be
at
the
top
of
that
list.
B
B
Are
they
a
bunch
of
different
plans
or
is
there
one
capital
improvement
project
plan
that
kind
of
categorizes?
Here's
the
deferred
maintenance
projects?
We
want
you
to
prioritize
for
us.
Here's
the
new
projects,
here's
the
roads
and
then
here's
the
sources
of
money
that
we
can
put
to
each
or
is
that
too
simplistic?
Is
it
more
complicated
than
that.
P
Thank
you
chairman.
That's
actually
really
well
put,
I
think.
Actually,
so
the
list
of
all
of
our
capital
needs
is
about
a
350
million
dollar
list,
and
so
we
kind
of
take
from
that
master
list
when
these
funding
opportunities
arise
and-
and
you
know
like
we're
doing
that
with
roads
all
the
time.
So
you
know,
like
you
know,
the
study
on
st
michael's
drive
for
the
potential
road
diet,
that's
being
funded
by
dot
guadalupe
bridge,
you
know.
P
So
we
have
this
big
master
list
of
of
capital
needs
and
then,
as
funding
arises,
we
pull
things
off
of
that
list
to
say
this
is
what
the
priorities
right
now
we
usually
pull
like
10
million
more
and
then
let
people
weed
it
down.
But
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
like
how
are
we
ever
gonna
build
the
new
city
hall
like?
P
Where
is
that
on
the
plan
and
so
well,
I
will
be
putting
together
one
list
for
your
consideration
for
the
grt
bond,
we'll
probably
make
that
like
a
40
million
dollar
list
and
then
meet
with
the
department
directors
help
get
their
prioritization
input
meet
with
each
of
the
districts
and
the
counselors
in
those
districts
and
get
their
prioritization,
and
then
I
think,
there's
sort
of
this
separate
project.
That's
called
space
needs
and
building
planning
for
the
city.
I
mean
we
have
a
hundred
old
buildings
that
we're
trying
to
maintain.
That
is
completely
uneconomical.
P
It's
unfeasible
for
our
maintenance
staff,
it
doesn't
it.
It
has
efficiency
issues,
it
has
sustainability
issues,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
get
serious
about
thinking
about
okay,
five
years
down
the
road.
What
buildings
do
we
want
to
be
closing
and
what
buildings
we
want
to
be
opening
and
how
do
we
get
there?
And
my
thought
is
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee?
P
Is
that
we'll
also,
then
be
starting
to
think
about
the
go
bond,
which
is,
I
think,
next,
on
brad's
list
with
things
like
bigger
things
like
the
fire
department
needs
a
new
training
facility,
that's
a
14
million
dollar
facility.
We
need
a
new
city
hall,
that's
40
million
dollars.
We
need
a
new
main
library,
probably
20
million,
and
so
we
need
to
start
thinking
about
these
big
projects
and
then
how
do
we
get
ourselves
there
and
is
geo
bond
part
of
it
is
grt?
P
Did
we
start
doing
just
some
studies
and
so
I'll
definitely
work
with
the
directors
and
start
to
map
that
out
for
us
for
consideration?
So
we
can
make
a
plan.
P
L
The
point
of
this
exercise
was,
you
know,
the
the
immediate
grt
bond,
which
we
have
a
calendar
in
your
packet,
and
the
point
of
this
discussion
is,
is
what
do
we
do
about
this
grt
bond?
We
did
the
2018
grt
bond.
We
had
the
five-year
capital
plan,
we
had
the
senior
icip,
the
icip.
L
Those
projects
need
to
be
weeded
out
and
and
again
this
is
a
calendar.
Would
the
council
has
a
great
deal
of
flexibility
in
this?
This
is
just
a
proposed
calendar
that
would
achieve
that.
There
would
be
capital
for
the
public
works
department
to
spend
come
the
spring
of
2022..
L
Hopefully
we
would
go
to
the
market
sometime
in
february.
Cash
would
be
in
the
city's
coffer
and
they'd
be
able
to
deploy
it
then,
but
yeah
we.
L
To
focus
on
the
fundamentals-
and
this
is
just
again
with
an
idea
that
this
is
out
there-
it
was
driven
by
the
lack
of
capital
prior,
you
know
in
the
grt
and
so
again
this
is
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility
for
the
council
to
proceed
at
a
pace
it's
comfortable
with,
and
if
it,
you
know,
wants
to
look
at
the
big
picture
and
do
finance
department
has
been
working
and
our
economist
has
been
working
on
a
five-year
revenue
forecast
and
that
really
the
city
will
get
back
to
its
practice
of
looking,
especially
in
its
capital
over
a
longer
period
of
time.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
councilwoman
lindell
and
then
councilwoman
romero.
F
Worth
thank
you,
chair,
chair.
G
Thank
you
for
bringing
up
bicentennial
pool.
L
This
calendar,
I
believe,
suggests
sometime
in
february.
We
would
actually.
G
Well,
I
I'm
sorry
that
that's
too
late
do
we
have
monies
that
we
could
use
to
get
that
project
going
sooner
if
we
wait
until
february
to
get
that
project
going,
that
pool
is
not
going
to
be
ready
for
use
for
next
summer.
We
need
to
see
bids
on
that
pool
this
summer
and
we
need
to
see
repairs
started
this
year
on
that
pool.
L
There
are
tools
that
we
can
use
if
we
knew
when
we
were
going
to
spend
the
money
it's
we
could
do
a
reimbursement
resolution
and
basically,
what
we
say
is
we're
going
to
spend
this
money
now,
but
we're
going
to
reimburse
ourselves
out
of
this
bond
proceeds
in
february
next
year,
and
so
that
would
be
one
tool
to
use.
L
Wouldn't
affect
any
other
decision
or
any
other
project
within
the
city.
It's
just
pulling
those
funds
forward.
P
Chairman
councillor
lindell
it's
due
from
the
vendor
in
about
a
week,
and
that
is
just
their
quote,
and
so
I
think
that's
we'll.
Have
it
soon.
It's
a
notoriously
bad
time
to
try
to
get
quotes
from
pool
companies
when
they're
so
busy
with
summer,
but
we're
sam's
pushing
on
them,
and
we
should
have
it
soon
and
we
do
have
a
state
price
agreement
opportunity
to
to
sort
of
start
work
on
that
bid
once
they
provide
it
and
we
decide
to
fund
it.
G
Okay,
chair.
G
I'm
not
sure
how
we
bring
that
forward
if
we
need
to
do
the
reimbursement
resolution
and
then
get
going
on
that,
does
anybody
know
how
that
would
work,
because
I
I
do
not
want
to
wait
until
next
year
to
start
moving
dirt
at
bicentennial
pool,
because
that
means
bicentennial
pool
will
not
be
open
next
year.
L
Anybody
know
how
that
works.
Mr
chair,
I
believe
peter
franklin,
the
city's
bomb
council,
can
answer
that.
Q
Basically,
the
way
it
works
is
that
the
city
council
would
adopt
a
reimbursement
resolution
specifying
how
much
it
expects
to
spend
on
that
capital
project
and
you
know,
and
that
it
expects
to
reimburse
itself
from
proceeds
of
a
tax
exempt
bond
issue
within
18
months
after
making
the
actual
expenditures.
Q
G
Okay,
so
miss
wheeler,
could
you
let
us
know
or
could
you
certainly
let
me
know
when
we
get
the
bid
for
repair
to
bicentennial
pool.
G
Is
there
any
part
of
this
discussion,
ms
wheeler,
that
gives
you
pause
that
you
think
that
we
couldn't
proceed
with
this.
If
we
were
to
have
the
council
do
a
reimbursement
resolution.
P
Chairman
councillor
lindell,
I
that's
exactly
what
we
were
thinking
that
we
should
do.
I
the
only
piece
of
pause
that
I
have
is
that
it's
a
big
project
and
we've
got
a
big
old
winter
sitting
in
the
middle
of
it.
So
I
think
we
still
don't
know
what
it
looks
like
for
the
prognosis
for
next
year.
G
The
problem
that
I'm
worried
about
is
that
if
we
wait
for
winter
to
be
over
then
we're
at
march
and
it
pretty
much
guarantees
that
we
won't
have
a
pool
for
next
summer.
So
that's
why
I
would
like
to
get
this
started.
I
mean
we
are
in
june.
We
could
have
july
august
september
october,
potentially
november
five
months
to
get
a
good
good
start
on
a
repair.
P
Thank
you
chairman
and
counselor
lindell.
I
I
said
subtract
a
month
from
that
for
our
internal
processes
at
least
not
two.
G
So
I
think
that
it's
clear
to
everyone
here,
the
direction
that
I
want
to
go
with,
that
I
just
don't
think
that
it's
acceptable
to
not
have
that
pool
ready
for
next
summer.
It
makes
no
sense
to
me
whatsoever
that
we
wouldn't
so
thank
you
very
much
chair,
okay,
councilwoman
romero,.
J
Worth
thank
you,
mr
chair
I'll,
I'll
just
start
with
bicentennial
pool.
Since
that's
where
we
are
the
only
thing
I
would
caution
is:
do
we
know
how
much
roughly
are
we
talking
a
couple
million
dollars
to
fix
that
pool?
Are
we
talking?
I
mean
I've
heard
all
kinds
of
things
that
you
know
we
we're
gonna,
have
to
dig
it
all
up
and
start
to
basically
put
in
a
new
pool,
and
I
mean
do
we
know
that
it's
gonna
be
only
a
couple
million
dollars.
P
Chairman
councillor
romero
worth
we
don't
have
a
number
people
like
you
said
that
experts
won't
give
us
a
number
we're
we're
doing
we're,
comparing
to
like
whole
new
pool
facilities
that
are
running
around
8
million.
That's
not
what
this
would
be
right.
This
is
just
the
pool
itself,
and
so
that's
why
we're
kind
of
using
the
2
million
as
a
as
a
working
number
but
you're
right.
We
don't.
We
don't
have
a
number.
J
Yeah,
I
just
I
just
don't
want
us
to
get
too
far
ahead
of
ourselves.
I
understand
how
badly
the
city
needs
an
outdoor
pool
and
a
good
one,
and
I
know
how
important
this
pool
is
to
the
community,
but
I
also
I'm
I
until
we
know
what
we're
looking
at
here.
I
I
I
don't
know
that
we
know
what's
the
right
and
fiscally
responsible
path
to
be
starting
down,
and-
and
you
know,
if
we
put
we
just
don't,
we
don't
know
what
we're
dealing
with.
J
We
don't
know
how
much
it's
going
to
cost.
We
don't
know
how
long
it
buys
us.
We
don't
know
whether
our
money
would
be
better
spent
starting
over.
You
know
I
I
have
said
before
that
you
know
it's
quite
possible
that
we
do
need
to
repair
this
pool
to
bias
the
time
while
we
build
another
pool.
I
mean
I
just
think
right
now
we're
we're
kind
of
we.
We
don't.
We
don't
know
what
we're
dealing
with,
and
so
I
would
just
caution
that
I
mean,
I
think
it's
good.
J
I
think
it's
good
to
know
that
we
have
options.
If
it's
the
path
we
want
to
go
down,
but
until
we
know
what
kind
of
a
bite
it's
going
to
take
and
whether
we
have
the
resources
to
do
it
and
what
other
things
it
flies
up
against,
I
I
think
we
need
to
just
be
cautious
here.
A
little
bit
is
all
I
would
caution
director
wheeler
you,
you
threw
out
a
number
350
million
dollars
in
capital.
J
P
Chairman
council
romeroworth,
that's
right:
it's
the
big
number.
It's
the
training
facility,
it's
all
of
the
roads,
it's
all
of
the
facilities,
it's
a
new
main
library,
it's
fixing
city
hall,
it's
replacing
city
hall,
it's
it's
the
whole
all
of
the
needs
and
deferred
maintenance
is
in
there
too,
that
that's
correct
to
the
amount
that
we
have
visibility,
although
that
does
sort
of
arise
more
on
an
annual
basis,
as
hvac
fails
for
deferred
maintenance.
P
I
think
our
software
that
we
have
been
using
to
track
our
capital
needs
to
maintain
our
facilities
at
a
functional
level
indicate
about
a
5
million
a
year.
Investment
in
our
facilities
is
required
to
keep
them
operational.
J
P
P
P
It
it
keeps
up
with
more
like,
what's
known
so,
for
instance,
the
main
library
elevators
are
on
the
list.
They've
been
known
for
a
couple
of
years:
I'm
not
sh
the
henna
viva
chavez,
stucco,
probably
is
on
the
list,
but
bc
pool
is
probably
not
on
the
list
because
we
didn't
know
last
year
that
it
needed
to
be
replaced.
So
it's
very
dynamic
from
the
deferred
maintenance
perspective.
E
J
And
to
what
degree
do
you
think
so
the
washington
post
this
morning
had
a
very
interesting
article
on
the
state
of
the
economy,
and
I
think
you
know
our
financial
people
were
talking
about
interest
rates
and
inflation,
and
all
of
that
talked
about
the
cost
of
construction
and
supply
prices
really
going
up.
How
do
you
think
that,
like.
J
I
I
know
you
don't
have
a
crystal
ball,
but
you
know,
as
we
look
at
projects
now
and
the
cost
and
supply
prices
are
increasing.
How
do
we,
I
don't
know,
plan
for
that
in
a
way.
P
Chairman
council
romero
worth
that's
a
really
important
exercise
for
us
to
undertake,
especially
as
we
get
forward
moving
with
this
grt
bond
because
we're
going
to
be
jumping
right
into
that
market,
we're
going
to
find
out
more.
You
know
we're
about
to
bid
the
airport
we're
about
to
bid
the
teen
center,
so
we'll
be
finding
out
about
that.
I
think
probably
the
so.
We
have
three
types
of
estimates
that
we
work
with
on
capital
projects.
P
The
first
one
is
the
budgetary
estimate,
that's
the
one
that
we
use
to
put
a
like
a
bond
package
together
where
we
try
to
get
a
number,
that's
big
enough
to
hold
the
scope.
It's
from
our
experience.
It's
it's
the
right
ballpark!
For
an
example.
We
were
carrying
four
and
a
half
million
on
the
fire
station
two
for
the
longest
time
it
ended
up
being
six
and
a
half,
so
budgetary
estimates
tend
to
be
rough
estimates.
We
should
definitely
err
on
the
high
side
this
time.
The
next
estimate
is
a
design
estimate.
P
So
once
you
actually
design
the
facility,
then
you
can
actually
have
the
engineers
cost
it
that
you're
getting
better
there
you're
getting
much
closer.
That's
what
we're
working
with
with
the
airport
right
now
in
the
teen
center
we've
got
design
estimates
and
then
there's
the
construction
estimate.
That's
the
one
that
you
get
after
you
go
out
to
bid,
and
so
you
know
the
further
away.
P
You
are
back
in
the
process,
the
more
uncertainty
you
have
built
into
your
estimate,
but
I
think
sam
and
I,
as
we
put
together
the
sort
of
capital
project
estimates
should
be
adding
at
least
20
right
now,
given
what
we're
seeing
in
the
marketplace.
J
Thank
you.
I
just
think
it's
interesting,
I
mean
we're
talking
now
about.
You
know
just
issuing
a
bond
to
create
a
pot
of
money
and
we're
not
even
to
the
point
I
mean
I
mean
you
will
probably
you
have
you're
further
along
in
this
thinking
than
perhaps
we
are,
but
in
terms
of
all
right.
What
are
you
actually
going
to
spend
it
on
and
getting
the
design
and
then
the
construction
cost?
J
So
that's
like
way
down
the
road
and
whatever
we're
saying
today,
you
know
to
your
point:
we
are
gonna,
it
is
gonna
cost
more
at
least
the
way
the
world
looks
right
now,
so
unless
that
somehow
corrects,
but
I
I
don't
hear
anybody
saying
that
so
all
right.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
won't
belabor
this
anymore.
J
B
So,
let's
hear
briefly
about
geo
bond.
L
L
We
have
a
deadline-
that's
not
movable
bond
election
resolution
transmitted
to
the
santa
fe
county
clerk
with
requests
that
you
for
the
resolution
of
the
secretary
of
state
no
later
than
august
26th,
and
we
do
have
bond
council
peter
franklin
with
us,
so
no
later
than
the
23rd
or
70
days
prior
to
the
election,
and
so
at
that
point
in
time
we
have
to
have
a
fully
formulated
geo
bond
question
for
the
public
to
approve
that
would
be
roughly.
It
has
to
be
very
specific
on
the
project
projects
size.
L
You
know,
mainly
the
projects
would
have
to
be
determined
and
then
the
bond
council
would
have
all
the
other
things
that
needed
to
be
filed
with
the
clerk
ready.
And
so
then,
once
the
election
occurs
in
november
and
the
public
has
made
their
decision.
If
it's
yes,
then
we
would
proceed
with
issuing
the
bonds.
If
it
was
a
no,
we
would
it
would
be
the
end
of
it
I'll
defer
any
other
question.
You
know
I
mean
explanation
to
bond
council.
B
Okay,
well,
what
about,
let's,
let's
go
to
capacity
and
then
impacts
on
property
tax
rates.
L
Well
again,
mr
chair,
this
would
be
in
competition
with
existing
funds,
existing
capital
projects
and
the
grt
bond.
If
we
were
to
do
a
go
and
a
grt
again,
we
only
have
so
much
in
public
works
and
and
again
we
can
only
deploy
so
much
funds.
Geo
bonds
are
somewhat
different.
I
believe
we
have
up
to
four
years,
but
maybe
that's
on
issuance,
not
on
spending
yeah.
I
I
peter
are:
we
still
required
to
spend
proceeds
within
three.
Q
Years,
mr
chairman
and
brad
that's
correct.
The
spending
requirements
are
the
same.
The
g.o
bond
questions
are
good
for
four
years
at
a
time.
B
B
If
we
don't
bond
now
in
november
and
say
we
wait
till
next
november,
is
there
another
way
to
get
money
into
that
fund
so
that
we
can
put
it
off
a
year?
If
we
need
to,
I
don't
know,
that's
you
brad
or
alexis.
B
J
So
we
put
in
I'm
not
sure
I
don't.
I
don't
think,
that's
quite
correct,
so
we
put
in
three
million
dollars
in
this
fiscal
year
that
ends
june
30th
correct
and
that's
2021,
that
the
fiscal
year
we're
in
now
is
2021
is
fy21,
correct,
correct,
okay,
mr
sure
yeah,
and
then
we
put
in
another
three
million
dollars
for
fy22,
which
starts
july
1st.
J
Will
that
will
end
in
june
30th
2022
and
if
we
don't
put,
if
we
put
something
on
the
ballot
for
a
go
bond
to
fund
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
in
november
of
2022,
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
gap,
and
so-
and
I
don't
know
when
that
money
would,
you
know
become
available
after
if,
if
the
voters
approved
it
in
november,
when
we'd
actually
have
access
to
those
funds,
so
we
may
be
looking
at
having
to
either
find
you
know
what
I'll
call
gap
funding.
J
If
we,
if
we
ultimately
decide
geo
bonds,
are
the
way
to
go,
and
we
don't
put
it
in
front
of
the
voters
until
2022,
if
that
makes
sense-
and
I
guess,
as
long
as
I
have
the
floor
master
chair,
maybe
I
can
ask
our
bond
counselor
council,
mr
franklin,
so
if
once
you
put
it
on
the
back,
so
we
put
it
on
the
ballot
in
november,
whether
it's
2021
or
2022.
Q
It
would
probably
be
I'm
sorry,
mr
chairman
and
counselor
meadowworth.
It
would
probably
be
in
the
range
of
75
to
90
days
after
voter
approval.
So
I
think
february's,
a
pretty
good
placeholder.
L
Mr
chair,
if
I
may,
I
want
to
point
out
to
the
counselors
that
the
lodgers
tax
over
30
days
is
now
flowing
to
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
L
As
of
may
first
and
over
this
next
six
months,
ten
months,
we're
going
to
be
monitoring
that
very
closely
our
estimate,
the
tourism
director
and
my
estimate
was,
you
know,
conservative,
to
say
what
we
think,
but
there
could
be
a
substantial
cash
flow
going
into
the
housing
trust
fund
that
we
just
have
never
measured
before.
This
is
completely
new
money
to
the
city.
L
The
other
item,
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
the
community
development
director
pointed
out
that
the
potential
land
sales
over
the
next
several
years
are
also
if
they're,
not
enterprise
or
santa
fe
estates
dedicated
to
another
fund
would
be
going
to
the
alaska
or
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
as
well,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
unknown.
But
there's
a
lot
of
potential,
especially
with
the
over
30
day
lodgers
tax.
J
Right
and
mr
chair,
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
evaluate
different
ways
of
finding
sustainable
sources
to
fund
the
affordable,
housing
trust
fund,
and
that's
part
of
what
this
conversation
is.
Is
you
know
what
are
the
different
mechanisms,
one
that
has
been
brought
to
our
attention
as
something
that
we
should
explore
as
the
geo
bond,
which
is
why
we're
interested
in
why
these
questions
are
being
raised?
J
And
so
I
do
think
the
chair
did
want
to
get
to
the
capacity
I
don't
know,
and
mr
chair
I'll
I'll
yield
the
floor,
because
I
think
you
wanted
to
hear
from
staff
about
what
our
geo
bond
capacity
is.
So
I'll
look
forward
to
that
conversation.
B
K
L
Mr
chair
counselor,
I
believe
that
was
dedicated
to
the
affordable
housing.
Trust
fund
was
347
000
annually.
K
Wonderful
and
and
thank
you
for
bringing
up
those
other
sources,
but
I
do
want
to
remind
the
members
of
the
committee
that
we
talked
about
a
three
million
dollar
floor,
not
a
three
million
dollar
goal
and
then
we're
moving
on.
But
that's
that's
what
we
have
really
talked
about
as
the
bottom
of
what
we
would
like
to
see
with
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
K
And
so
I
think
it
is
helpful
to
look
at
something
like
a
geo
bond
that
can
get
us
to
that
three
million
dollar
floor
and
then
some
of
these
other
more
variable
resources
that
we
can't
quite
fully
count
on
exactly
what
that's
going
to
look
like
year
over
year.
That
does
help
to
get
us
above
that
floor
and
to
continue
to
look
for
other
sources.
K
I'm
also
interested
in
the
capacity
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
yield
back
to
you,
mr
chair,
so
that
we
can
continue
with
that
discussion,
because
I
think
that's
a
a
really
big
piece
of
this
and
what
bradley
mentioned
about
the
kind
of
the
competing
interests
and
and
how
all
of
that
fits
together
in
that
puzzle.
So
I'll
yield
the
floor.
B
Okay,
thank
you
before
we
get
to
that,
though
brad
or
alexis
we're
closing
out
the
fiscal
year,
councilwoman
romero
worth
said,
we
put
three
million
dollars
in
did
all
that
get
expended
or
there's
going
to
be
money
we're
going
to
carry
over
into
this
next
fiscal
year
that
we
start
next
two
weeks
from
now.
D
L
So,
mr
chair,
given
that
the
city's
taxable
value
is
roughly
4.5
billion
dollars
and
our
tax
max
or
the
maximum
outstanding
geo
bond
can
be
four
percent
of
the
taxable
value
that
would
put
the
capacity
for
the
city's
general
obligation
debt
at
180
million,
almost
181
million
subtracted
20
million.
So
it's
roughly
around
161
million
of
new
geo
bond
debt
capacity.
The
city
has
there
is
one
other
statutory
limit
on
the
amount.
L
Oh,
no,
that's
operational
mills!
Sorry!
Thank
you,
peter
one
of
the
there's
some
issue
on
on
what
how
many
mils
you
can
charge
for
debt
capacity
and.
L
Peter
we
had
discussed
that
upper
limit
of.
Could
the
city
issue?
How
much
could
the
city
issue
in
in
debt
capacity,
because
these
are
general
obligation
bonds?
L
Q
Peter,
mr
chairman,
and
and
mr
fletch,
yes,
that
that
is
correct.
I
don't
think
there
is
a
that
there's
an
operational
mill
rate
cap,
but
a
debt
service
mill
levy
is
technically
unlimited
as
to
rater
amount.
So
really
it's
just
that
four
percent
of
total
taxable
value.
Q
That's
the
upper
limit
on
you
know
that
translates
to
an
upper
limit
on
the
debt
service
levy
rate,
but
obviously
the
city
is
is
not
going
to
want
to
issue
the
full
amount
of
you
know:
issuing
go
bonds
in
an
amount
equal
to
four
percent
of
the
city's
total
taxable
value
would
be
pretty
unheard
of.
B
J
So
do
we
have
any
have
we
ever
done
this
issued
geo
bonds?
Do
we
have
any
outstanding
right
now.
L
Mr
chair,
we
have
the
2014
and
2013
go
bonds
outstanding
and
last
year
we
refunded
the
2010
go
bond
to
the
2019..
So,
yes,
we
have
done
this
before.
J
L
J
20
million
out
of
180
million
okay
and
for
some
reason
I
thought
the
state
legislature
dictated
our.
How
many
mil
levees
we
could
use.
Is
that
not
true.
L
L
L
You
know
you
could
dedicate
it
to
the
general
fund.
We
have
of
the
7.65
mills
maximum.
We
have
6.068
mills
available
on
residential
property
and
4.467
mills
available
on
commercial
property.
L
I
believe
I
attached
this
to
the
my
property
tax
calculator
in
the
document.
I
think
it
was
the
last
page.
J
Okay
of
this
last,
I
got
you
this
last
item.
Yeah.
L
And
so
on
that
document
that
really
ties
into
the
impact
on
a
homeowner
and
and
property,
so
the
homeowner
impact
to
implement
one
mill
will
raise
the
property
tax
on
a
fair
market
value
by
the
assessor
of
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
home
taxable
value.
One
hundred
thousand
dollar
home
same
house,
but
it's
only
taxable
is
one
third,
and
one
mill
would
be
a
hundred
dollars
annually.
L
And
so,
mr
chair,
the
next,
if
we
continue
down
on
the
table
in
this
case,
what
we're
trying
to
figure
out
is
is
how
many
mils
does
it
take
to
generate
500,
000
dollars
and
on
the
table
just
below
that
it
shows
you
for
a
20-year
bond
go
bond.
L
So
to
answer
your
question,
you
know
how
to
it
would
we
have
to
raise
property
tax
on
a
300,
000,
taxable
value
home,
100
or
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
fair
market
value
home?
That's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
taxable!
Q
J
So
did
you,
I
guess
what
would
be
helpful,
and
I
think
I've
said
this
before
mr
chair
is:
is-
is
for
staff
to
show
us
something
similar
to
what
albuquerque
does,
because
that's,
what's
being
that's
what
people
are
saying
to
us,
we
should
be
looking
at
as
a
funding
source
for
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
So
how
off?
How
much
does
albuquerque.
J
Issue
in
go
bond.
How
much
money
does
it
generate?
What
does
it
do
to
people's
property
taxes
and
how
often
do
they
have
to
issue
those
geo
bonds
in
order
to
continue
to
fund
their
affordable
housing
program,
and
I
mean
again,
they
are
given
to
us
as
the
model
for
how
we
would
structure
a
geo
bond
here,
and
I
guess
I
I'd
be
I'd-
love
to
see
what
exactly
it
is
they
do,
and
what?
How
does
that
translate
up
here?
Is
that
make
sense?
Are
we
too
small?
Are
we
too
big?
Are
we
you
know?
J
L
And
mr
chair
counselor,
and
we
did
work
out,
that
bond,
asked
that
bond
question
and
the
municipal
advisor
and
I
were
working
on.
We
looked
at
the
last
five
years
of
county
property
tax
certificates.
L
Mills
currently
we're
at
0.37
something
mills
and
that
entire
and
when
we've
issued
geo
bonds
in
the
past,
our
plan
was
to
have
level
debt
service
so
that
if
we
borrowed
x
amount
of
dollars,
we
paid
500
000
a
year,
whether
it
be
interest
and
print,
however
interest
in
principle,
and
so
that
was
our.
That
was
the
city's
plan
in
the
past
and
to
go
with
their
model.
So
the
only
thing
that
causes
that
debt
service
to
decline,
the
mill
rate
is
property
values
increasing
because
our
debt,
our
go
bond.
L
And
so
we
would
have
to
guess
what
that
property
tax
in
order
to
figure
it
out,
and
you
know,
with
four
and
a
half
billion
dollars.
It
sounds
like
a
big
number,
but
when
you
cut
it
down
to
the
what
level
four
percent
of
the
change
doesn't
give
you
a
whole
bunch
of
money
to
borrow,
and
so,
given
that
we
use
so
little
of
our
capacity,
you
know
many
other
communities
have
much
higher
property
tax
rates
and
much
lower
grt
rates,
and
that
would
be
a
discussion.
J
Yeah
and
mr
chair,
I
think
that
this
is
exactly
the
kind
of
information
we
need
to
know
right
as
we
work
on
our
affordable
housing
trust
fund
resolution.
Where
we're
you
know,
using
the
committee
process
to
ask
questions
about
the
different
ideas
that
have
been
brought
to
us
so
that
we
can
understand
the
pros
and
the
cons,
whether
things
that
have
have
been
suggested
are
actually
viable,
whether
there's
support
for
these
kinds
of
mechanisms.
You
know
it
that
I
continue
to
maintain
that
as
we're
coming
out
of
a
global
pandemic.
J
This
may
not
be
you
know
the
right
timing,
but
but
again,
I
think
we,
through
our
work
plan
we
have
said
we
will
vet
all
of
these
ideas
and
and
understand
and
begin
to
understand.
What's
the
pro?
What's
the
con,
you
know
what
makes
sense
and
to
your
earlier
point,
brad,
I
think,
is
that
we
may
have
other
places
to
look
in
terms
of
you
know
the
lodgers
tax
and
the
land
sales,
and
you
know
we
also
have
the
the
state
legislature
cannabis
cut
for
local
for
the
for
local
governments.
J
So
I
think
it's
you
know.
These
are
all
the
things
I
don't
want
to
scare
anybody
out
there.
I
just,
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
figure
out.
You
know
what
what
are
the
different
mechanisms?
We
have,
what
are
the
pros
and
cons
of
each
of
them
so
that
we
can
figure
out
how?
How
do
we
put
a
patchwork
of
of
funding
together?
That
gets
us
at
that
floor.
J
That
council
cassette
was
talking
about
earlier
and
then
helps
us
build
from
there
and
and
maintain
this
commitment
to
affordable
housing
and
and
funding
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
J
So
I
think
this
is
all
good
information
and
I
know
we're
going
to
go
into
a
study
session
with
the
whole
governing
body
and
it
might
be
helpful
if
we
could
put
this
in
some
sort
of
a
memo,
not
just
the
graphs,
but
you
know
sort
of
outlining
why
we're
different
than
albuquerque?
Why
you
know
we
would
have
to
do
something
different
if
we
wanted
to
do
this,
and
you
know
what
are
the
pros?
J
What
are
the
cons
that
kind
of
thing,
because
again
we
are
going
to
have
to
go
with
the
whole
governing
body
to
to
evaluate
which
direction
to
go
in.
B
Right,
I
think
that's
a
good
suggestion
and
as
as
part
of
that
vetting,
I
think
if
we
can
start
with
what
we
know
today.
For
example,
what
is
the
carryover
from
this
last
allocation
of
the
3
million?
We'll
add
it
to
the
3
million
that
we
budgeted
if
you
have
a
better
estimate
of
the
lodgers
tax
over
30
days
and
if
there's
any
pending
sales
right
now,
not
future
sales,
because
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
as
we
make
these
decisions
especially
related
to
a
geo
bond.
L
In
mr
chair
too,
in
the
past,
the
city
has
used
its
geo
bonds
differently.
You
know,
for
you
know,
it's
been
really
dedicated
to
parks
and
no
infrastructure
that
supports
the
citizens.
L
You
know
if
it
was
a
more
timely
issue.
It
would
be
a
great
thing
for
bicentennial
pool
or,
as
some
people
have
been
suggesting,
a
pool
in
the
south
side,
but
you
know
I
mean
that
would
be
something
the
public
would
would
want
to
have
a
say
on.
You
know
possibly
and
and
so
when
you
think
about
geo
bonds.
B
Right
and
some
part
of
the
our
consideration
in
order
to
put
that
question
in
front
of
them
is:
do
they
feel
we're
doing
a
good
enough
job
with
with
what
the
projects
now
or
and
then
we
have
with
that
park
bond
issue
that
happened
years
ago,
and
so
there's
a
there's.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
still.
I
think,
because
we
are
asking
the
public
to
basically
give
us
this
money
and
and
we'll
give
you
these
projects
they'll,
give
us
the
money,
but
are
they
convinced
we'll
give
them
the
projects?
B
So,
okay,
any
other
questions
or
comments
related
to
this,
and
then,
if
not,
we
will
move
on
to
the
consent
items
that
were
pulled.
J
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
I
would
just
say,
mr
chair,
is
that
you
know
brad.
I
think
this
is
the
second
time
you
brought
this
up.
I
think
in
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund,
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
are
trying
to
do
to
build
a
spectrum
of
housing
in
this
city.
There
are
things
where
a
g.o
bond
where
geo
bond
monies
could
be
useful,
but
I
don't
think
we're.
J
Quite
I
don't
know
if
we
we're
at
a
point
yet
where
we
can
articulate
specifically
what
those
things
are,
and
so
this
is
also
part
of
the
planning
that
would
have
to
happen,
and
voters
would
have
to
decide
that
that's
something
they
wanted
to
support
and
and
we
as
counselors
again,
you
know
we
we're
charged
with
vetting
all
the
ideas
that
have
come
to
us
and
to
begin
to
understand
the
pros
and
cons
of
all
these
things.
So
I
just.
N
L
Given
the
tightness
of
the
geo
bond
calculator,
there
is
one
predicating
assumption
staff
has
made,
and
that
is
that
the
governing
body
and
would
not
want
to
go
to
a
special
election,
because
that
would
open
up
the
flexibility.
Otherwise,
this
is
a
november
question.
L
Right,
you
know,
and-
and
so
I
mean
I
would
like
to
take
this-
you
know
the
calendar
that
you
know
you
know
just
a
direction
that
there
is
no
way
we're
going
to
hit
the
august
23rd
date,
or
should
we
even
try.
B
I
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
we
could
make
it
or
not,
given
that.
But
that's
why,
like
I
said,
it'd
be
helpful,
though,
to
know
that
we're
gonna
be
fine
as
far
as
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund,
if
we
don't
make
the
november.
So
if
you
can
bring
us
back
that
information
again,
the
carryover
from
this
fiscal
year,
that's
ending
next
week,
the
three
million
that
we
still
have
and
then,
if
there's
other
funds
that
you
think
are
pr
you're,
pretty
certain
are
going
to
go
into
the
fund.
L
And
and
mr
chair,
I
was
also
informed
that
as
if
this
was
a
priority
of
the
city
council
that
you
know
like
fy
22,
you
know
in
the
budget,
it
has
the
authority
to
assign
you
know
a
three
million
dollar
amount
to
the
house:
affordable
housing,
trust
fund.
B
Right:
okay,
councilwoman
vrael.
D
Thank
you
very
much
councilwoman
and
mr
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everyone
that
we
built,
so
we
built
the
three
million
dollars
into
the
base
budget,
so
we
put
it
in
this
fiscal
year.
We
put
it
in
22
and
we're
planning
to
continue
to
do
that
into
23,
because
we
have
already
we've
made
it
part
of
the
base
budget.
Now
I
mean
we
can
always
reduce
it.
If
we
have
the
other
funding
source,
I'm
not
saying
that,
but
it's
we've
built
it
into
the
base
budget.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Well,
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
and
I
don't
know
if
it
necessarily
has
to
happen
tonight,
but
I
alexandra
is
on
with
us,
and
I
think
she
has
a
better
idea
of
some
other
aspects
of
fundings,
including
the
funds
that
I
don't
know.
If
there's
a
projection
of
what
would
occur
in
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
based
on
what
revenue
we
get
now,
but
there
is
it
it
has
been
going
up
recently
and
then
I
don't
know.
H
Actually,
I
would
like
to
hear
from
alexandria
just
because
we
keep
talking
like
how
this
could
play
forward
and
or
move
forward,
and
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
take
on
this
and
and
the
ability
to
spend
it.
I
mean
that
to
me
is
a
big
issue.
If
we
don't
have
staff
hired
yet,
but
can
you
share
some
insight
with
us.
R
Thank
you,
mr
chair
counselor,
via
real,
we
are
collecting
more
fees
but
again
because
our
sole
source
up
to
this
point
for
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund,
has
been
development
fees,
and
so
there's
really
no
way
to
predict
that
amount.
So
having
the
infusion
from
the
general
fund
is
wonderfully
helpful,
you
will
be
seeing
an
extension
to
several
contracts
to
add
the
current
year
funding
to
those
contracts,
as
well
as
a
plan
for
how
to
allocate
next
year's
funding.
R
I
I
believe
that
something
like
the
bond
issue
is
probably
the
long-term
direction
we
need
to
go
in
because
it
is
it
just.
We
need
something
predictable,
it's
very
hard
to
build
a
consistent
program
and
and
leverage
the
support
over
the
years.
If
we
don't
any
given
year,
we're
not
sure
how
much
we're
going
to
have,
I
hope
did
I
answer
your
question.
Counselor.
H
Viaria
yeah,
and
I
guess
I
was
just
curious
what
you
thought,
based
on
some
of
the
research
that
you
know
about
the
albuquerque
geo
bond.
I
mean
we've
even
had
speakers
come
to
talk
to
us
in
santa
fe.
It
was
a
few
years
ago,
but
the
deadline,
as
you
heard,
is
in
august,
so
it
just
sounds
like
there
are.
There
will
be
things
I
thought
you
would
also
have
to
do
in
order
to
prepare.
R
Mr
chair
councillor
vial,
I
think
let
me
just
make
sure
I'm
understanding,
I'm
sorry,
it's
so
hot
in
my
house
right
now.
I
can
barely
think.
Let
me
just
make
sure
I'm
understanding
your
question.
The
process
of
the
geo
bond
requires
a
bunch
of
paperwork
both
up
front
and
probably
following
it.
I've
never
gone
through
it
before
so
I
I
can't
necessarily
speak
to
that,
but
I
think
that's
what
we're
we're
thinking
is
probably
likely.
R
So
what
you're
asking
is
whether
we
have
the
capacity
to
do
that
extra
work
just
to
even
get
the
process
going
for
the
bond.
Is
that.
R
Well,
I
I
mean,
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is
I'll.
Do
what
I
have
to
do.
You
know
it's,
it's
not.
I
feel
like.
If,
if
we
go
in
that
direction
now
I
have
no
expertise
in
in
this
area,
so
I
would
rely
on
mr
flitch
and
our
bound
counsel
to
give
us
the
good
advice
on
how
to
how
to
manage
that
process.
But
of
course
you
know
my
my
team,
we're
gonna
do
what
we
need
to
do
to
get
get
the
funds
in
there.
B
Right
but
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
commitment
over
the
next
two
years,
not
just
this
fiscal
year,
but
the
following
fiscal
year
to
put
three
million
dollars
in
each
year.
So
it's
only
mean
like
we
don't
need
to
do
this.
This
november,
mr
chair
you're,
correct
okay,
thanks,
sorry,
councilwoman
vrael
go
ahead.
J
Thanks
alex
and
mr
chair,
if
I,
if
I
can
and
again
I
just
want
to
say
what
we
need
to
be
doing
now,
is
evaluating
all
these
different
things
and
figuring
out
to
to
to
alexandra's
point.
You
know
what
she
needs
is
predictability.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
you
know,
vet
and
explore
all
the
different
options
about
how
we,
how
you
know
and
unless
we're
just
gonna
for
forever,
just
pull
it
out
of
the
general
fund.
J
But
the
thing
is,
we
may
have
other
places
to
pull
from
and
that's
what
we're
exploring
and-
and
we
have
to
see
you
know
we
have
to
see
with
the
other
counselors
and
see
with
the
broader
community.
How
do
you
know
everybody
says
they're
for
affordable
housing?
We
know
we
need
to
fund
this
fund.
How
are
we,
how
are
we
going
to
do
that?
And-
and
this
I
think,
is
a
good
conversation
about
some-
I
guess
not
just
one
but
some
of
the
different
mechanisms
we
may
be
able
to
employ
to
help
us.
B
Okay,
anyone
else
before
we
move
on
to
the
consent,
calendar
items.
B
B
Okay,
okay,
thank
you.
Then.
Let's
move
on
to
our
the
items
that
were
pulled
from
consent.
I
will
log
off
now
councilwoman
romero
worth
if
you
could
handle
item
b
and
then
I'll
log
back
on.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
we
will
go
to
item
b
and
I
just
need
to
pull
it
up
on
my
agenda.
Sorry
item
b
is
somebody
have
this
up
and
can
read
it
hold
on
primegov
being
slow?
Sorry,
I
and
I
went
back
too
many
pages.
Do
you
want
to
read
the
caption.
G
J
J
I
think
we
can
take
a
roll
call.
Then
councillor
cassette.
J
Terrific,
let's
get
our
chair
back.
I
just
texted
him
to
log
back
in
okay,
great
you're,
faster
you're,
faster
on
the
text
than
I
am
in
that
moment.
E
Who
who's
running
the
meeting
he
said
he
needs
to
okay
rejoin.
We
can
move
to
item
e
if.
J
He
needs
so.
This
is
a
resolution
relating
to
income,
disparity
and
inequity,
authorizing
the
execution
of
a
memorandum
of
understanding,
with
mayors
for
a
guaranteed
income
and
the
santa
fe
community
college,
to
assist
with
launching
a
pilot
project
to
support
young
parents
enrolled
at
the
santa
fe
community
college
and
to
build
support
for
a
guaranteed
income
in
the
city
of
santa
fe.
We
have
julie,
sanchez
and
kira
ochoa
with
us,
and
I
think
councillor
lindell
you,
you
pulled
this
item
among
them.
D
J
J
J
Sorry,
everyone
he'll
stand
in
place.
While
we
wait
for
the
chair.
Sorry,
I
didn't
realize
I
thought
he
was.
He
just
texted
and
said:
go
on
without
him.
J
D
And
he's
not
on
my
screen
anywhere,
where
I
can
he's
not
in
attendees,
I
only
have
the
live
on
youtube.
I
don't
have
an
attendees
participants,
I
don't
have
attendees
okay.
T
B
Okay,
that
was
that
was,
like
interstellar,
remember,
to
see
that
movie
communicate
okay,
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
J
So,
mr
chair,
I
read
the
caption,
we've
introduced
the
staff
and
I
believe
counselor
lindell
was
one
of
the
counselors
to
pull
this
item
and
that's
where
we
stopped.
G
I've
got
some
questions
on
this
on
what
the
cost
will
be,
how
we
make
it
sustainable.
How
does
this
get
past
our
anti-donation
clause?
How
do
people
qualify?
What's
the
criteria
who's
going
to
administer
it
just
I.
I
need
a
little
bit
more
information
about
this
program
and
you
know
how
how
how
it,
how
it's
going
to
be
administered
who
qualifies
for
what
the
criteria
is
to
stay
in
the
program.
All
of
those
kinds
of
things.
U
U
Following
on
from
the
stockton
pilot
project,
which
had
promising
results
to
show
that,
essentially,
the
guaranteed
income
functioned
as
a
bridge
to
help
people
get.
The
results
from
stockton
show
that
people
got
were
more
likely
to
get
employed
and
to
not
need
the
funding
in
an
ongoing
way
in
terms
of
sustainability.
U
It's
part
of
a
national
effort
to
essentially
create
a
federal
guaranteed
income
policy,
so
you
know
I
don't
think
I
would
be
surprised
if
anyone
was
coming
back
to
ask
for
sustainability
out
of
our
general
fund
for
something
like
this,
although
if
this
council
decides
that
something
they
want
to
explore,
that
is
certainly
possible.
So
that's
around
the
sustainability.
U
It's
100
percent
grant
funded
and
we
aim
to
do.
I
know
the
mayor
aims
to
do
some
fundraising
that
will
make
it
turn
it
from
a
one-year
pilot
into
a
two-year
pilot.
Ideally
and
up
the
dollar
amount
that
recipients
receive
monthly.
So
a
hundred
parents
who
are
students
at
the
community
college
will
be
eligible
for
the
income
and
it'll
be
a
guaranteed
floor
of
400
a
month
for
one
year
for
100
people.
U
15
of
those
folks
are
already
enrolled
and
part
of
an
santa
fe
community
foundation
project
called
expanding
opportunities
for
young
families.
That's
proven
to
be
a
really
effective
model
for
providing
supports
that
are
not
just
income,
but
that
will
be
duplicated
for
the
rest
of
the
community
college
students.
U
In
terms
of
the
anti-donation
question,
the
eligibility
is
folks
are
under
200
federal
poverty
level,
which
means
they
are
indigent,
and
so
they
are
not
subject
to
the
anti-donation
and
in
addition,
the
funding
is
not
coming
through
our
government.
It's
a
it's
private
funding.
Actually
that's
more
important
than
than
my
first
answer:
it's
private
funding
coming
to
the
santa
fe
community
college
foundation,
which
will
be
the
fiscal
agent
for
all
of
the
funds
and
julie.
Did
I
leave
anything
else.
V
G
G
Under
200
of
the
area,
median
income
and
what
other
qualification.
U
G
B
Okay,
councilwoman
cassette.
K
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
Thank
you,
kyra
and
julie
for
being
here,
as
I
stayed
in
quality
life,
I'm
really
quite
excited
about
this
project
and
us
having
the
opportunity
to
bring
this
to
some
of
our
residents
and
be
a
part
of
this
national
study.
I
did
have
a
couple
questions.
K
Some
of
the
qualifications
may
change.
Obviously,
the
kids
get
older.
It's
possible.
Somebody
could
move
out
of
the
200
fpl,
but
one
piece
is
what
happens
if
they
drop
out
of
school
while
they
are
while
they
are.
I'm
a
numb.
Excuse
me
a
participant
in
this
pilot.
If
they're
receiving
dollars
they've
dropped
out
of
school,
what
then
do
they
no
longer
receive
that
money?
And
then
what
happens
to
that
money.
U
Mr
chair
counselor
cassette
there's
there.
This
is
a.
U
There's
no
qualification
that
they
remain
in
the
community
college.
It's
a
study
to
see
what
happens
if
they
are
receiving
this
income,
so
that
would
if
they
did
not
receive
the
income
after
they
dropped
out.
We
wouldn't
know
whether
that
impacted
their
their
volatility
in
terms
of
income,
their
educational
outcomes
etc.
So
in
that
sense,
it's
a
pure
tour
research
study
to
show
what
the
impact
is
and
the
researchers
were
very
clear
that
there's
no
requirement
that
recipients
continue
to
to
do
college.
K
Okay,
thank
you
for
for
clarifying
that,
and
so
at
that
point
they
would
still
attempt
to
continue
to
follow
up
with
them
and
understand
how
this
money
has
impacted
them,
even
if
they
are
no
longer
in
the
school
and
and
because
we're
going
through
the
community
college.
K
I
assume
that
the
fellow
might
be
the
the
mechanism
by
which
they
continue
to
attempt
to
track
this
individual.
I
I
assume
that
it
would
get
a
lot
harder
to
stay
in
touch
with
this
individual
if
they
no
longer
are
coming
to
the
centralized
area.
So
do
you
know
who
would
be
responsible
for
trying
to
continue
to
gather
that
data.
U
Mr
chair,
counselor,
cassette
and
julie
can
help
me
with
this.
The
fellow
who
is
a
the
the
project
pays
twenty
thousand
dollars
stipend
for
a
for
a
student,
a
phd
student,
in
this
case
at
unm
who's,
sort
of
of
the
same
population,
that's
being
served
to
support
the
project.
U
So,
yes,
the
fellow,
would
be
a
mechanism
for
for
for
the
continued
evaluation
of
the
project
and
the
platform
that's
used
to
deliver
the
funds
is
an
opt-in,
there's,
an
opt-in
mechanism
for
participants
to
sort
of
provide
income
information
to
that
platform.
If
they,
if
they
are
comfortable
doing
so,
julie
did
I
did.
I
leave
anything
out
there.
V
V
So
chair,
councilwoman
casa,
they're,
actually
currently
being
evaluated
by
upenn,
so
they
have
their
final
kind
of
evaluation
this
week
and
then
once
they
get
fully
accepted
then,
and
we
can
make
the
announcement
on
the
young
students
researcher
or
the
young
student
fellow
from
the
city.
K
Great,
I
look.
I
look
forward
to
hearing
about
that.
Thank
you
and
then
my
last
question
has
to
do
with
what
are
the
outcome
measures
specifically
that
u
pen
is
going
to
be
tracking?
K
U
Mr
chair
council,
cassette
they're
also
looking
at
stress
levels:
depression
levels,
mental
well-being
of
the
parents,
they're
also
looking
at
income
volatility.
So
how
much
variation
happens?
You
know
on
a
month-to-month
basis,
other
other
pilots
have
shown
that
income
volatility
stabilizes
even
after
the
income,
the
guaranteed
income
is
no
longer
being
delivered,
because
I
mean
that's
kind
of
a
no-brainer.
If
you
have
more.
U
K
And
then,
if
we
manage
to
raise
enough
money-
or
if
mayor
I
mean,
I
imagine
that
we
all
would
like
to
help
participate
in
raising
this
money,
the
city
of
santa
fe,
if
we
raise
enough
money
to
go
for
two
years,
will
they
continue
to
track
for
an
additional
third
year?
K
Okay,
and
then
I
I
misspoke
that
was
not
my
last
question.
I
asked
this
equality
life
and
then
something
that
I
read
in
the
moa
made
me
question
it
again
of
for
that
fundraising,
piece
of
us
raising
the
additional
funds
it
said
somewhere.
I'm
sorry,
let
me
find
my
notes.
K
It
said
something
that
the
all
dollars
for
the
demonstration
must
be
secured
before
the
first
disbursement,
so
that
would
be
before
august.
But
when
we
talked
before
we
said
that
we
don't
want
to
close
the
door
and
we
could
continue
to
fundraise
pass
that
so
I'm
those
don't
quite
fit
for
me.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that
a
little
bit
more.
U
Mr
chair
counselor
pass
it
in
order
to
tell
recipients
how
much
they
will
be
receiving.
We
need
to
know
what
our
beginning
pot
is
at
a
different
point
in
time.
We
can
having
raised
additional
funds
up
that
dollar
amount
if,
if
we
need
to,
but
in
order
to
begin
it's
not
going
to
be
variable
for
at
least
a
certain
period
of
time,
and
so
we
kind
of
work
closely
with
mdi
to
to
determine
those
parameters.
K
K
B
Okay,
councilwoman
romero
worth.
J
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
so
I
we
did
hear
this
without
any
without
the
resolution
or
the
moa
at
quality
of
life.
I
now
have
those
documents
in
front
of
me
and
have
had
time
to
look
at
them.
I
do
support
this
project,
but
I,
but
I
do
want
to
clarify
some
things.
J
So
this
is
a
partnership
between
the
santa
fe
community
college,
the
santa
fe
community
foundation
and
the
city
of
santa
fe,
and
I
think
we
we
talked
at
quality
of
life,
about
what
what
is
the
city
being
asked
to
do
and
what-
and
I
think
there's
this
fear
that
you
know
we're
going
to
be
asked
to
budget
for
these
stipends
and
we've
heard
that
they
will
come
from
this
grant
initially
and
then
some
some
some
additional
fundraising
will
allow
the
pro
with
the
pilot
project
to
last
two
years
and
potentially
move
from
400
to
500
dollars
a
month.
J
So
what
else
is
the
city?
So
I'm
looking
at
the
mou
and
what
the
city's
being
asked
to
contribute.
I
mean
it
seems
like
the
reason
the
city
is
involved
is
that
this
was.
This
is
a
mayor's
initiative
right
nationally,
and
so
we
got
looped
in
because
our
mayor
joined
this
group
and
that's
why
the
city
of
santa
fe
is
involved.
We're
not
we're
not
being
asked
to
administer
the
money,
we're
not
being
asked
to
give
money.
Other
we
are
being
asked
to.
J
According
to
the
mou,
cities
must
make
a
full
faith
effort
to
leverage
additional
dollars,
which
I
assume
that's
the
the
language
that
says
we
will
help
in
the
fundraising
correct,
but
really
we're
I
mean,
there's.
I
guess
some
staff
time,
maybe
that
you
all
are
putting
the
the
mou
talks
about
conduct,
bi-weekly,
check-ins
and
participate
in
the
research
consortium
and
help
narrative
shift
near
etsy
participate
in
mgi
narrative
shift
efforts.
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
that
means,
but
maybe
you
you
all
can
elaborate,
but
it's
it's
so
it's
you
know
the
staff.
U
Mr
chair
counselor
worth
correct.
U
U
I
think
the
city's
role
is
to
really
support
the
efforts
to
champion
the
efforts
in
theory
to
be
this,
the
council's
role
would
be
to
to
be
interested
in
the
findings
of
the
study
and
potentially
to
advocate
for
guaranteed
income
at
a
at
a
different
level
of
our
governments,
and
I
think,
in
terms
of
changing
the
narrative,
if
I
can
take
a
stab
at
that,
it
is
essentially
you
know,
project
which
philosophically
has
an
underpinning
that
people
are
not
in
a
low-income
bracket
because
of
any
character.
U
U
So
our
staff
time
on
it
is,
I
would
say,
not
necessarily
extra.
Although
you
know
every
meeting
is
extra,
it's
sort
of
in
alignment
with
what
we're
already
trying
to
achieve
in
within
the
community
services
department,
not
to
minimize
the
incredible
work,
julie
and
and
the
rest
of
the
staff
have
done
on
getting
launching
it,
but
I
think,
in
terms
of
it
being
ongoing,
that's
the
way.
I
see
it
and
that's
helpful.
J
So
will
we
see
that
work
plan
and
is
that
something
we
approve
or
are
we
sort
of
blanket
approving
it
because
it
says
the
parties
agree
that
any
terms
or
conditions
included
in
the
work
plan
will
be
incorporated
into
this
moa.
U
Mr
chair
council
romero
worth
essentially
we
have
already
done
that
in
our
proposal
and
so
the
work
plan
is
sort
of
already
established
as
part
of
the
proposal,
and
I
would
be
happy
to
share
it.
It's
been
kind
of
a
work
in
progress
because
we've
tweaked
back
and
forth,
between
mgi
and
and
the
community
college,
but
you
know
essentially
it's
not
a
new
product.
J
Okay,
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
see.
Just
because
again,
I
think
one
of
the
questions
we've
been
getting
is:
what
is
the
city's
role?
Why
are
we
involved?
What
is
going
to
be
required
of
us
by
passing
this
resolution
and
approving
this
moa?
J
So
again,
we're
not
being
asked
for
money
and
we're
not
going
to
be
administering
this
grant
the
money's
not
coming
to
us
directly,
and
so
I
think
it
would
be,
and
there's
this
there's
a
fellow
as
we've
talked
about
and
we
learned
about
it
quality
of
life,
and
you
mentioned
tonight
who
will
be
doing
who
will
be
supporting
the
project
and
so
again
just
trying
to
help
give
some
edges
to
what
our
role
is
for
the
city.
J
I
I
want
to
go
I'm
a
little
concerned.
I
have
to
say
about
the
resolution
and
I'm
on
page
seven
if,
if
you
all
have
it
around
and
we're
in
the
be
it
further
resolved,
so
this
is
a
so
this.
This
project
started
in
in
california
and
now
it's
being
taken,
it
was
successful
there
and
now
it's
being
taken
to
cities
across
the
country
to
further
validate
what
they
saw
in
california
as
a
winning
idea
am
I
am
I
getting
that
right.
J
U
Mr
chair
counselor,
worth
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
think
the
stockton
project
has
shown
really
promising
results.
I
think
the
idea
behind
the
cities,
I
think
over
40
cities
have
joined
the
mayors
for
guaranteed
income
and
I'm
not
sure
how
many
of
those
are
getting
grants.
I
think
13
of
them
may
be
getting
grants,
and
so
the
idea
is
yes
continuing
to
study
it.
We're
the
more
you
know
the
bigger
sample
size.
U
You
have
the
the
stronger
your
results,
but
the
assumption
is
that
cities
who
joined
believe
in
it
on
in
on
principle
and
so
should
be
prepared
to
advocate
at
this
point
and
any
further
information
gathered
from
the
study,
will,
will
likely
support
or
add
nuance
to
how
we
how
we
design
policy
at
a
federal
level
or
state
level.
U
We
will
be
able
to
speak
about
our
population
and
how
they
benefited
that
if
we
didn't
have
this
opportunity
and
we
wanted
to
join
the
guaranteed
income
movement
nationally,
we
could
present
and
decide
from
this
point
forward
that
this
is
a
policy
that
we
support
or
the
governing
body
supports.
So
I
would
say
yes
and
no
right.
J
Yeah
I
mean
we
could
we
could
say
conceptually.
We
we
support
this
idea
based
on
the
research.
That's
happened
elsewhere
and,
and
we
want
to
see
this
be
a
federal
thing
and
we
think
our
population
would
would
benefit
from
something
like
this.
But
I
think
what
we're
getting
here
is
the
opportunity
to
maybe
deepen
that
advocacy,
because
we
will
be
able
to
point
to
our
own
community
to
our
own
people
and
their
and
their
experiences
and
stories
in
building
the
narrative
and
shifting
the
narrative,
as
as
it
goes
forward
nationally.
J
J
Okay,
so
the
part
where
I,
where
I
have
trouble
on
page
seven
lines,
fourteen
and
fifteen,
it
says
the
city
lobbyist
will
promote
a
federally
guaranteed
income.
I'm
a
little
worried
about
that
language
being
in
there,
because
I
don't
think
that
we
direct
our
city
lobbyists
through
resolutions.
J
Well,
we
have
one
big
resolution
right
where
we
talk
about
what
our
priorities
are
for
the
next
legislative
session
and,
of
course,
our
city
lobbyist
also
has
a
has
a
contract,
and
we
I
you
know,
we
approve
that
contract
and
I
think
the
con.
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
contract,
but
I
think
the
contract
is
for
lobbying
the
state
legislature,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
what's
contemplated
here
and
whether
this
is
the
appropriate
place
to
be
talking
about
what
we
want.
J
Our
city
lobbyists
to
be
doing
at
the
state
legislature
and
whether
this
is
in
the
scope
of
what
we
hire
a
city
lobbyist
for,
because
maybe
we're
saying
we
want
that
city
lobbyist
to
go
to
washington,
in
which
case
we'd
be
changing
the
scope
of
that
contract.
And
probably
you
know
he'd
be
wanting
more
money
to
be
doing
that,
and
maybe
he's
not
the
right
guy
to
be
doing
that.
J
So
I
guess
I
worry
a
little
bit
about
that,
be
it
further
resolved,
and
I
would
I
just
want
to
flag
it
as
potentially
something
we
want
to
take
out
here.
I
don't
think
we
need
this
to
to
be
in
spirit
with
the
moa,
and
you
know
if
this
and
I
think
it
needs
more
thought
and
we
maybe
need
to
put
it
other
places
if,
depending
on
what's
contemplated
here,.
J
V
So
I
can
speak
to
that
chair,
beta
counselor
romero
worth
so.
When
we
had
first
been
approached
about
this
funding,
we
actually
received
notification
pretty
early
on
in
the
year
that
the
city
was
granted
funding.
V
It
took
a
very
long
time
to
get
our
research
design
in
place
in
order
for
mgi
to
feel
comfortable
releasing
funding.
We
originally
had
a
very
small
cohort
that
we
were
going
to
be
working
with.
They
requested
me,
expand
it
to
make
it
more
evidence-based
and
to
make
the
population
size
much
more
validated
in
terms
of
measuring
data
and
outcomes,
and
so
it
took
quite
a
while
for
us
to
get
our
research
design
approved
by
mgi
and
so
we're
now
at
the
point
where
they've
approved
our
research
design.
V
So
now
we're
able
to
bring
forth
the
moa
and
the
original
language
was
from
the
moa
that
was
created
back
when
we
first
received
notification.
U
J
B
G
B
G
Thank
you,
chair
hello,
mr
roach,
quick
question
for
you.
Can
you
define
for
me
the
lower
santa
fe
river.
G
Yes,
what's
the
year,
I
read
it
throughout
in
this,
but
I
don't
see
a
real.
I
don't
know
the
true
geographic
of
what
the
lower
santa
fe
river
is.
S
S
While
you're
looking,
I
would
just
offer
to
the
committee
that
we
sort
of
divide
the
santa
fe
river
into
three
main
sections:
the
sort
of
the
the
closed
watershed
portion
of
the
watershed,
which
is
the
santa
fe
river,
all
the
way
down
to
and
including
nichols
reservoir,
and
then
the
kind
of
the
urban
stretch
or
the
city
stretch,
which
is
nichols
reservoir
from
the
dam.
Where
we
release
water
into
the
into
the
river
there
all
the
way
down
to
the
paseo
real
treatment
plant
that
the
upper
section
would
be
perennial,
it
would
always
flow.
S
The
middle
section
would
be
ephemeral,
meaning
depending
on
the
time
of
the
year
and
the
the
living
river
releases
we
make,
it
may
be
dry,
it
may
be
wet
in
certain
stretches
or
dry
in
others,
for
example.
Right
now,
if
you
go
far
enough
up,
it
would
be
wet,
but
towards
the
bottom
it
would
be
dry
and
then
again,
once
you
get
below
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
it
would
be
perennial
again
because
there's
always
a
discharge
occurring
to
the
lower
santa
fe
river.
S
G
I
appreciate
that
my
computer's
not
gonna.
Let
me
pull
my
notes
up,
so
I
will
yield
the
floor
chair
and
thank
you
for
that
answer.
H
Villarreal,
just
a
clarification
on
you
said
there
was
some
changes
since
the
county
heard
this
item.
Can
you
remind
us
what
changes
have
occurred
since
that
discussion
is
it?
It
was
heard
at
public
works?
Then
it
went
to
santa
fe
county
and
there
were
discussions
about
changes.
Can
is
that
correct
and
then
can
you
tell
us
what
those
were.
S
S
S
They
added
some
language
that
sort
of
tied
the
lower
santa
fe
river
planning
process
that
this
agreement
envisions
or
or
creates
to
our
environmental
protection
act
nepa
permitting
process,
and
that
was
not
my
understanding
of
the
communication,
and
so
we
did
not
add
that
language,
and
so,
as
a
result,
the
the
item
that
we
took
through
public
works
was
slightly
different
and
it
was
only
and
I'll
refer
you
to
the
agreement
there
section
six
of
the
agreement
is
just
two
sub-paragraphs
and
it's
the
lower
santa
fe
river
planning
process
county
termination
option
and
that's
the
only
place
where
any
substantive
changes
occurred.
S
S
Yes
briefly,
so
there
are
a
couple
different
bit.
The
large
permits
that
we
need
to
go
through
for
our
return
flow
project
include
a
state
engineer
permit,
which
essentially
looks
at
water
rights
and
an
aneepa
permit,
which
essentially
looks
at
environmental
impacts.
We
believe
there's
there
are
some
other.
S
Values
to
be
considered
along
the
lower
santa
fe
river
that
may
not
be
captured
by
either
of
those,
but
we
don't
want
to
wrap
them
all
up
together
and
wait
on
the
lower
santa
fe
river
dialogue
until
the
nepa
process
is
complete.
So
ideally,
what
actually
we
would
like
to
have
had
happen
is
that
we
understand
our
obligations
if
any
from
an
environmental
perspective
from
a
water
rights
perspective.
And
then
we
take
that
information
to
the
lower
santa
fe
river
planning
process.
S
It's
more
to
understand,
so,
if
you
imagine
a
scenario
where
we
go
through
the
nepa
process
and
there
is
a
finding
that
there's
no
significant
impact
from
environmental
perspective,
let's
imagine
that
that
would
be
one
extreme
another
extreme
would
be.
We
need
to
offset
some
amount
of
environmental
impact
once
we
have
once
we
understand
those
parameters,
then
there's
more
information
for
us
to
go
to
a
lower
santa
fe
river
planning
process
with.
H
E
B
Okay,
can
I
have
a
roll
call,
please
counselor
cassette.
I
J
B
G
That
we
have
this
up
tonight.
G
G
Okay,
so
I'm
confused
on
page
one,
it's
a
four-year
contract,
but
in
the
background
and
summary
paragraph,
it
says
it's
needed
to
continue
to
the
to
assist
the
acidity
in
the
14-month
implementation.
So.
G
W
W
Then
we
do
anticipate
in
year
two
following
year,
three
and
year,
four,
if
needed
a
much,
much
lower
rate
in
the
what
we
pay
them
and
what
use
we
have
for
mountain
river.
W
W
We
will
be
crossing
over
fiscal
years,
so
we
will.
We
do
anticipate
using
mountain
river
a
little
bit
more
in
year,
two,
so
the
first
year
will
be
about
eight
hundred
and
twenty
two
thousand
the
second
year
we're
anticipating
to
drop
way
down
to
about
three
hundred
thousand
year
three
and
year.
Four,
of
course
things
could
change.
We
may
not
need
them
at
all,
but
we
do
and
we
did-
or
I
am
requesting
a
four-year
contract
just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
up
and
going
the
billing
system
is
working.
W
The
fiscal
years
are
closed
out
with
any
reporting
that
we
might
need,
and
we
do
too
have
currently
itt
on
board
with
training
two
individuals
on
the
new
billing
system,
so
that
our
use
for
mountain
river
will
significantly
drop.
Hopefully
all
the
way.
W
G
Well,
I
kind
of
get
that,
but
why
didn't
we
just
do
a
two-year
and
put
the
pressure
on
ourselves
not
to
need
them.
I
mean
we're
looking
for
what
almost
a
million
and
a
half
on
this
contract
and
we're
looking
at
822,
and
then
you
thought
maybe
around
three
we're
giving
ourselves
a
three
to
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
cushion
with
them.
G
I
I
mean
I
don't
know:
do
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
budget
that
money
at
this
point
in
time
for
three
to
four
years
out,
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
not
be
paying
them
anymore,.
W
I
I
100
agree
with
you
counselor
and,
as
director
wheeler
indicated
earlier,
the
process
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,
sole
source
or
rfps,
or
anything
like
that
is
very
time
consuming
and
very
strict
if
we
find
that
we
do
not
need
them
in
year,
three
and
in
year,
four,
of
course,
there's
the
clause
in
the
contract
that
we
don't
budget
for
just
like.
W
If
there's
no,
you
know
revenue
or
money,
we
don't
continue
with
the
contract,
so
I
do
believe
that
we're
covered
in
several
different
areas
where
we
can
stop
this,
stop
this
contract,
if
need
be
in
the
end
or
middle
of
year,
two
and
definitely
year,
three
and
four.
If
that's,
if
that's
what
happens
you
know
and
we,
unfortunately,
we
set
up
for
worst
case
scenario
and
hope
that
it
gets
better
year
after
year
after
year,.
G
In
the
in
this
contract,
it's
on
page
16,
it
talks
about
project
management,
application,
support
and
technical
support.
Is
there
one
person
that
does
the
project
management
that
we
pay
them
282
thousand
dollars
a
year?
One
person
that
does
application
support
that
we
pay
over
a
quarter
million
a
year
and
another
one
for
technical
support.
Do
we
really
do
we
really
have
these
folks
working
40
hours
a
week
every
all
year,
long.
W
W
They
have
the
individuals
that
will
help
with
that.
I
will
not
say
that
there's
one
individual,
that
we
use
40
hours,
the
current
ucis
system.
If
it's
a
billing
issue,
there
is
one
individual
that
knows
and
understands
the
billing
side
of
it
a
little
bit
more
if
it's
the
project
management,
of
course,
for
the
14
months,
that
we're
doing
an
upgrade
again,
there's
one
or
two
individuals
that
understand
the
advanced
system,
as
we've
been
trying
to
get
advanced
for
about
seven
years.
W
W
G
You
know
I'm
always
so
frustrated
with
this
contract,
because
I
think
that
we
have
great
people-
and
it's
just
hard
for
me-
to
believe
that
in
all
the
time
that
we've
been
paying
them,
that
we
don't
have
someone
that
has
learned
this
system
that
can
do
exactly
for
us
what
these
consultants
have
done.
For
how
long
have
we
used
them
as
consultants?
How
many
years.
W
I
believe,
with
this
contract
it
would
be
nine
years,
so
we've
used
them
for
five
years
right
now
and
with
this
contract
it
would
increase
to
nine.
G
Spend
twenty
822
thousand
dollars
on
can
120
hours
of
consulting
a
week
for
a
year
every
every
week
of
the
year
it
just
it.
I
can
never
make
sense
of
this
contract
that
we
have
with
them,
and
the
time
period
for
the
scope
of
this
work
is
just
from
july
1st
to
june
30th
of
next
year.
G
G
I'm
sure
you
are
too
because
you're
sick
of
me
always
going
on
about
this
contract,
but
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
money
year
after
year
after
year,
for
someone
to
be
consulting
with
us,
that
why
don't
they
train
us
instead
of
consulting
with
us,
I
mean
we
have
smart
people,
they
can
learn
how
to
do
this.
W
Really,
I
don't
believe
it's
that
honestly.
I
do
believe
that
it
is
the
ucis
system.
It
is
you
know
it's
a
21
year
old
system.
It
is
really
based
in
s,
keys
and
dos,
and
it's
just
it's
just
not.
It
has
not
been
kept
up
with
the
times
where
everything
is
dropped
down
and
you
choose
a
button
instead
of
having
to
you
know,
free
type
and-
and
things
like
that,
I
I
really.
W
I
really
do
believe
that
they,
you
know,
give
us
as
all
of
the
information
that
we
possibly
can
a
lot
of
us.
I've
been
forced
to
start
learning.
I
t
a
lot
more
than
I
probably
would
like
to
just
so
that
we
can
keep
the
system
up
and
running
the
current
system
up
and
running,
and
I
think
that's.
Unfortunately,
the
problem
that
we
have
right
now
is
the
the
new
technology
is
not
something
that
individuals
really
want
to
want
to
learn.
They
don't
want
to
learn
old
technology.
W
They
want
to
learn
all
of
the
new
stuff
that's
coming
out,
and
so
unfortunately
it
is,
it
is
expensive,
but
it
is
more
worth
our
time
to
have
to
hire
a
con
consultant
than
it
is
to
train
on
old
stuff
that
will
be
obsolete
in
14
months.
W
So
we
did
start
the
new
system
upgrade
in
may.
It
is
moving
quite
a
long
with
the
schedule
that
we
have
planned.
W
We
do
plan
on
doing
dual
bills
on
or
about
march
april
kind
of
time
frame
so
that
we
have
about
three
or
four
months
of
actual
concurrent
billing
systems
running
together,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
our
billing
system
currently
matches
new
billing
system.
You
know,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
discrepancies
in
the
bills
that
will
be
about
three
to
four
months
of
testing,
and
I
really
do
hope
that
we
can
go
live.
W
H
Councilwoman
villarreal,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
miss
humanness
for
joining
us.
Once
again.
I
share
the
same
concerns
about
this,
as
my
colleague
just
seems
like
this
will
go
away,
but
I
guess
the
one
thing
that
I'm
confused
about
the
last
conversation
we
had,
I
think
it
was
during
budget
hearings,
was
saying
that
the
time
frame
we
asked
you
about
that.
This
could
be
complete
where
we
could
start
transitioning
and
start
weaning
ourselves
off
of
a
con
contractual
agreement.
H
W
Counselor
abita
counselor
via
rael,
the
time
frame,
hasn't
changed.
The
upgrade
to
the
billing
system
is
still
14
months.
We
started
it
in
may.
Mountain
river
does
other
consulting
for
public
utilities.
It's
not
just
our
billing
system.
They
help
with
the
rates
the
calculation
of
esd
and
water
and
wastewater
rates.
You
know
so
again:
we've
got
to
use
old
information
from
the
ucis
system.
W
We
have
to
then
get
reports
from
the
new
system,
which
we
should
be
able
to
get
all
of
the
reports
out
of
the
new
system,
because
of
course
we
will
be
trained
on
the
new
system.
So
we
we
set
up
a
four-year
contract
in
hoping
that
we
don't
need
them
for
year
three
and
year.
Four,
but
again
you
have
to
project
worst
case
scenario.
W
I
would
rather
have
them
in
place
ready
to
go
if
something
were
to
be
needed
and
then
cancel
your
three
or
year,
two
and
a
half-
or
you
know
year
four
rather
than
and
not
have
a
contract
and
then
unfortunately
have
to
go
through
the
whole
process
all
over
again
and
that's
time
constrained
time
issues
you
know,
which
then
delays
even
more.
W
The
use
of
not
needing
them
anymore
or
having
a
time
lapse
between
you
know
what
the
issue
is
with
the
old
system
versus
the
new
system.
So
it
really
is
a
projection
of
worst
case
scenario
in
the
hopes
that
we
can
terminate
or
reduce
it
significantly
down
by
year
to
two
and
a
half.
H
It's
just
hard
to
keep
seeing
this
contract
come
to
us
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I'm
confused
about.
I
know
it's
a
small
amount,
but
the
contract
indicates
that
the
pay
there's
a
an
amount
stipends
for
travel.
That
is
approximately
about
12
000.,
and
I
know
in
the
grand
scheme
of
the
amount-
that's
not
a
lot
but
I'm
still
confused.
I
thought
this
company
was
santa
fe
based
and
I
saw
the
address
it
has
a
idaho
address.
So
are
those
travel
expenses
being
covered
from
the
contractor
traveling
back
and
forth
from
idaho.
W
So
it
is
based
out
of
idaho
the
main
corporation
we
do
have
one
of
their
team
members
does
live
here
in
santa
fe.
Who
is
the
majority
of
the
time
who
we
you
know
can
consult
with
for
the
implementation
of
the
upgraded
system?
W
There
is
potentially
a
time
where
one
or
two
of
the
individuals
from
idaho
may
need
to
travel
down
here
to
santa
fe
for
implementation
or
when
we
go
live
so
that
we
can
have
all
hands
on
deck
and
actually
be
in
the
same
room
rather
than
trying
to
you
know
converse
either
over
zoom
or
over
text
messages
or
emails
or
or
anything
like
that,
and
that
was
reduced
down
quite
a
bit.
I
believe
there
was
it
started
out
at
36
000,
and
I
did.
W
I
did
cut
that
basically
down
to
the
12
000..
First
of
all,
because
of
covid,
we
don't
know
what's
going
on
there
and
second
of
all,
we
should
be
able
to.
You
know,
do
most
things
nowadays
through
emails,
zoom
meetings
or
anything
like
that.
So
I
did
reduce
that
down
to
about
12
000.
But
again,
when
we
go
live,
it's
sometimes
easier
to
have
everybody
in
the
same
room
so
that
we
can
really
see
what
goes
haywire.
W
If
something
does
I'm
really
hoping
that
everything
will
be
set
long
before
anything,
you
know
goes
haywire.
H
Well,
that's
good
to
know
that
it's
gone
down
from
36
000,
so
yeah,
I
don't
know
I'm
it's
like.
We
know
the
need.
We
know
the
the
challenges
of
the
ucis
system
and
then
there's
also
an
I.t
team.
We
have
that
I
feel
like
is
our
own
team
and
people
like
councillor
lindell,
said
know
these
that
have
the
ability
to
learn
it,
so
I'm
just
hoping
that
that
happens
sooner
than
later,
so
I'll
be
at
the
floor
for
now.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
I
had
very
similar
questions
and
sentiments,
as
my
colleagues
nancy.
I'm
sure,
I'm
sure
that
this
is
just
exhausting
for
you.
So
thank
you
again
for
being
with
us,
ms
dunaway,
you
had
popped
on
and
now
you're
gone,
but
I
actually
had
a
question
as
you
had.
You
had
jumped
on
as
there
was
discussion
about
procurement,
and
I
was
hoping
to
hear
whatever
it
was
that
you
wanted
to
say
which
caused
you
to
turn
on
your
video.
K
So
please
let
me
know
what
what
it
was
that
you
wanted
to
talk
about
to
us.
T
Chairman
abatha
and
counselor
cassette.
Thank
you
councilwoman.
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
was
I
popped
on
when
it
was
discussed
about
process.
T
Yes,
we
have
created
an
internal
process
and
I
keep
as
I
attend
this
meeting,
because
I
am
an
attendee
for
the
meeting
in
case
there's
any
procurement
questions
or
why
we
procured
the
way
we
did
so.
I
wanted
to
address
that
because
the
sole
source
procurement
that
was
done
was
done
immediately
and
was
done
in
response
to
their
request,
and
I
keep
hearing
about
the
process
being
slow,
the
process
being
slow.
Well,
the
process
isn't
slow.
T
The
process
is
following
the
procurement
code
and
we're
following
the
law,
so
I
just
wanted
to
ensure
that
everyone
understands
that,
and
it
has
been
quite
the
process
for
us
in
the
procurement
area
to
be
able
to
instruct-
and
you
know,
train
and
you
know
we're
new.
It's
something
new
to
the
city,
and
I
know
it's
a
frustration
for
everybody,
but
it's
also,
you
know
what
we're
here
for
is
to
ensure
that
we're
following
the
procurement
code
and
being
fiscally
responsible.
T
So
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
and
say
that.
K
Thank
you
so
much
fran
and
yes,
I
know
that
that
you
guys
do
a
very,
very
thorough
job
of
making
sure
that
we
are
really
sticking
to
to
that
code
and
sticking
to
the
laws,
and
we
do
really
appreciate
that.
So
so.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity,
of
course.
Of
course,
I
I
guess
where
I
struggle
and
nancy
you
know
I
absolutely
you
know.
K
And
what
is
it
that
we
we
need
to
address
and
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
my
colleagues
thoughts
on
that,
because
that's
that's
where
I'm
leaning,
you
know
I
want
to
to
counsel
lindell's
point.
You
know
it's
nice
to
try
to
hold
ourselves
to
that
deadline,
but
again
nancy.
We
we
just
want
to
make
sure,
of
course,
that
you
have
what
you
need
to
make
this
a
very
successful
transition
so
that
we
can
stop
utilizing
this
contract
and
we
really
can
move
to
the
new
system
and
pull
this
internally.
K
B
Yeah,
it
sounds
like
we
can
make
it
part
of
our
motion.
If
we
want
to
approve
it
and
then
just
with
that
condition,.
K
Any
unintended
consequences
that
my
more
experienced
colleagues
might
know
about
that.
I'm
not
thinking
about
the
top
of
my
head.
If
not,
I
will
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion.
Well,
if
we're
ready
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
contract
building
in
a
check-in
point
at
the
two-year
mark
of
the
contract,
whatever
that
date
would
be
nancy.
Can
you
fill
that
in?
For
me.
W
Absolutely
we'll
probably
bring
it
forward
with
the
budget
preparation
for
fiscal
year
july,
22,
so
23
so
february
of
23.
When
we
prepare
the
budget,
23
would
be
the
technically
the
third
year,
so
it
would
be
finishing
up
the
second
going
into
the
third.
If
that's
okay,.
K
Okay,
so
when
we're
doing
budget
hearings
in
basically
when
you're
preparing
the
budget
of
february
2023.
So
when
we're
doing
the
budget
hearings
for
fy24.
W
K
B
Yes,
okay.
That
item
passes.
We
are
on
the
item,
l,
which
is
a
resolution
donating
property
identified
as
635
alto
street
and
resources
to
a
developer
qualified
as
a
grantee
under
the
new
mexico,
affordable
housing
act
for
development
of
at
least
five
low
price
dwelling
units
councilwoman
lindell.
Thank.
G
R
Mr
chair
counselor
lindell,
thank
you
for
that
question
the
design,
because
it
was
stamped
by
the
prior
architect
who
worked
on
who
submitted
the
design
of
the
competition
but
then
also
was
hired
by
the
city
to
take
that
design
through
the
historic
board
for
review
and
approval,
which
it
was
approved
by
the
h
board
in
2010.
I
believe,
with
some
modifications.
The
age
board
wanted
a
slightly
different
design
style.
Instead
of
territorial,
they
wanted
more
of
a
pueblo
style,
so
the
final
design
is
was
vetted
by
by
the
h
board.
R
But
unless
we
have
the
exact
same
architect
work
on
the
project,
we
are
not
able
to
modify
that
architect's
design,
so
the
design
will
serve
the
winning
design,
the
design
that
the
age
board
approved,
which,
of
course,
that
approval
is
no
longer
valid.
The
any
project
has
to
go
back
to
the
h-board,
but
that
design
can
be
used
as
a
proof
of
concept
and
certain
elements
from
that
design
can
be
replicated
for
a
future
design.
R
So
the
design
will
be
provided
to
the
respondents
to
this
rfq
as
a
as
here
are
some
good
ideas
here.
How
here's?
How
this
can
work
and
to
encourage
them
to
replicate
the
those
elements
in
in
their
proposed
design
and
as
to
the
second
part
of
your
question,
the
focus
like
most
rfqs
that
we
do.
We
will
be
looking
at
both
the
qualifications
of
the
bidder
and
whether
they
have
the
experience
to
do
this
kind
of
project,
but
then
also
what
kind
of
financial
feasibility
are
they
proposing?
Are
they
realistic?
R
B
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
wanted
to
get
clarification
about
bond
premiums.
If
staff
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
how
bond
premium,
premiums
are
generated
and
from
which
bonds
specifically
are
we
taking.
P
A
chairman
council
via
real
thank
you
for
that
question:
brad,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
listening,
you're,
probably
the
best
one
to
answer
that.
But
I
believe
this
is
from
the
2018
grt
bond
and
a
premium
is
where
there's
a
savings
between
the
amount
of
interest
that
we
actually
have
to
pay
compared
to
what
we
thought
we
were
going
to
have
to
pay
or
something
like
that.
P
Sorry,
it's
a
little
fuzzy,
but
we've
had
an
opportunity
actually
and
and
finance
has
been
really
diligent
with
us
identifying
these
opportunities
where
there
are
savings
and
we
need
we
can
allocate
additional
funding
and
that's
how
we
got
this
million
dollars.
H
B
H
H
P
Chairman
councillor
villarreal
from
my
what
I
know
about
that
is
that
you
know
this
is
actually
a
1.7
million
dollar
construction
project.
So
it's
pretty
massive.
This
million
dollars
is
just
going
to
take
care
of
the
exterior,
so
we
can
keep
it
from
falling
down.
It's
actually
being
held
up
by
jacks
right
now
and
it's
dangerous
and
so
and
then
roger's
tax
took
a
real
hit
during
the
pandemic,
and-
and
so
I
think
their
contribution
would
be
small.
P
H
Okay-
and
there
was
an
amount
that
we
did
allocate,
I
feel
like
it
was
a
year
ago.
I
don't
even
remember
now
at
this
point-
everything's
a
blur,
but
there
was
an
amount
didn't
we
we
did
for
the
preliminary
design,
I
think
or
just
a
study
about
what
was
needed.
Was
there
anything
done
on
the
building
structurally
with
that.
P
Funding,
no
actually,
but
we
are,
we
are
in
100
design,
so
we're
actually
ready
to
move
to
construction
instantly.
So
you
have,
I
think,
it's
probably
in
the
realm
of
like
325
000.
We
got
a
25
000
grant
and
then
we've
allocated
funding
over
the
years
to
the
design
and
sam
has
managed
this
really
productively
so
that
we
have
full
design
now
for
the
historic,
historically
appropriate,
remodel
and
he's
also
gotten
people
on
board
to
undertake
just
the
exterior.
H
Thank
you
and
brad.
The
question
that
I
had
was
about
bond
premiums
and
how
they're
generated
and
director
wheeler
said
that
it
did
come
from
the
2018
grt
bond,
but
we're
I
just
want
to
understand
what
premium
is
it's.
She
described
it
as
savings,
but
I
wanted
to
understand
that
better.
L
But
they're
gonna
get
five
percent
interest
over
the
next
20
years,
instead
of
1.5
interest
over
the
next
20
years,
and
so
that
bond
premium
comes
in.
We
issue
a
20
million
dollar
bond,
as
in
the
case
of
the
2018
grt
bond,
the
city
received
net
of
fees,
advisors,
other
stuff
brokerage,
bank,
22
million
600,
and
some
odd
thousand
two
2.6
million
of
that
represents
bond
premium.
P
If
I
could,
chairman
and
counselor
via
real-
and
this,
this
actually
is
a
targeted
investment,
not
just
because
of
the
urgency
of
taking
care
of
the
depot,
but
also
because
of
the
ability
to
deploy
this
money
quickly,
since
it
is
at
100
design
and
also
because
of
the
length
of
the
life
of
the
investment.
P
So
it
really
helps
the
bond
overall,
as
it's
you
sort
of
had
this
average
life
of
all
the
investments,
and
if
you
remember,
we
reallocated
six
million
dollars
of
the
bond
to
more
like
operating
capital
investments
this
year,
which
were
like
equipment.
So
this
is
on
that
other
end
of
the
spectrum.
It's
a
really
long-lived
investment
and
it
helps
the
bond
that
way
got
it.
Okay,
mr
chair.
A
L
Losing
the
the
fire
station
a
you
know,
40
50-year
asset
really
was
the
anchor
to
the
18
grt
bond.
A
million
dollars
going
out
to
the
the
basic
restructuring
of
the
the
depot
is
again
a
40-50-year
type
asset,
and
it
really
does
extend
the
life
of
the
overall
bond
issue.
H
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
one
more
question
about
you
said
the
overall
cost
of
the
project,
which
I
think
it's
gone
up
each
year,
just
by
the
nature
of
it,
but
you
said
1.7
million
for
the
entire
project
and
we'll
have
this
million,
so
the
remaining
amount.
Where
do
we
foresee
finding
the
additional
funding.
P
Chairman
council,
via
real,
of
course,
that
would
be
a
consideration
for
the
grt
bond
for
any
future
go
bond.
I
think
those
are
probably
the
two
big
candidates.
H
P
Legislature
for
money
too
yeah
and
then
that
if
we
got
it
in
next
session,
we
wouldn't
have
it
till
the
following
september,
but
that
timing
wouldn't
be
so
bad.
So
we
could
consider
it
for
a
priority
there
as
well
yep.
H
B
Okay,
we
have
a
motion.
Is
there
a
second
I'll?
Second,
any
discussion,
you
have
a
roll
call,
please
counselor
cassette.
I
B
And
counselor
beta,
yes,
okay,
so
this
item
passes.
The
next
item
is
matters
from
staff.
Are
there
any
matters
from.
B
I
don't
have
any
matters.
Our
next
meeting
is
tuesday
july
6
2021,
and
with
that
we
are
adjourned.
Thank.