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From YouTube: Finance Budget Hearings for July 21, 2020
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Finance Budget Hearings for July 21, 2020
A
A
Here:
okay,
we
have
approval
of
the
agenda.
We
yesterday
we
ended
at
public
works,
so
I'd
like
to
pick
up
there
with
the
transit
division
and
then
administration,
and
then
we
will
go
to
public
utilities
and
then,
after
public
utilities
start
with
the
scheduled
department
for
today,
which
is
community
development,
which
includes
economic
development
planning
and
land
use,
affordable
housing,
arts
and
culture.
A
But
before
I
ask
for
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda,
I
do
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
introduce
a
couple
of
resolutions
for
the
mayor,
the
first
being
a
resolution
creating
a
community
health
and
safety
task
force.
Councilwoman
villarreal
is
a
co-sponsor,
then
I'd
like
to
introduce
an
ordinance,
creating
efficiencies,
enhancing
effectiveness
and
eliminating
silos
by
reorganizing
reorganizing
certain
city
departments.
A
A
C
D
E
So
counselor,
mr
chair,
I
went
back
to
the
email
that
was
sent
to
us.
If
you
open
that
email,
it's
probably
the
easiest
way
to
find
it.
That's
what
I
did
the
email
from
mary
mccoy
that
came
yesterday
or
the
day
before
that
had
had
the
attachment
in
it
and
what
I
did
is
I
saved
it
to
ibooks
so
that
I
can
go
back
to
it.
I'm
sure
there's
a
way
in
prime
gov,
but
I
do
not
don't
know
how
to
do
it.
D
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
who's
on
to
address
this,
but
could
we
have
someone
look
at
that
for
the
future
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
go
back,
for
you
know
some
amount
of
time
to
look
at
meetings,
because
counselor
romero
worth
is
much
more
technologically
sophisticated
than
I
am,
and
she
has
young
young
youngish
children
that
can
help
her
so
I'll.
Try
to
find
that
email
but
I'll
send
it
to
you.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it
that's
problematic
for
us
in
terms
of
technology.
Thank
you.
B
A
G
A
Okay,
mr
martinez,
when
I
look
at
your
your
budget,
your
budget
we've
got
540,
which
is
your
transit
bus
system.
You've
got
salaries,
wages
and
benefits.
There
doesn't
look
like
there's
much
of
a
change
at
all.
There
is
a
change
in
contractual
and
utilities
and
then
also
capital
outlay.
Can
you
explain
contractuals
and
utilities
there's
a
looks
like
a
62
decrease.
What
is
it
that
we're
gonna
be
losing
as
a
part
of
this
reduction.
G
Yeah
we
actually,
we
have
the
new
cng
facility
that
is
slated
to
run
a
lot
more
efficient
than
the
old
one.
That
was
something
that
we
completed
this
year
and
that's
going
to
assist
us
in
it,
and
also
we
have
the
south
side
which
we
had
been
paying
utilities
on
and
now
that's
going
to
be
a
reduction.
G
I
G
G
Yeah,
no
that's
here
at
our
transit
property.
The
south
side
facility
is
the
transit
center
right
and
we
have
stated
for
it
to
be
open
last
year.
It
wasn't
this
year
we're
about
to
go
out
to
bid
on
it,
but
it
still
won't
be
open
until
after
the
beginning
of
the
year,
if
all
goes
well,
so
we
didn't
need
to
budget
any
money
for
the
any
major
money
for
utilities.
A
I
G
I
G
Yes,
at
the
moment,
we're
using
the
smaller,
not
the
paratransit,
but
our
santa
fe
pickup
vehicles.
But
there
are
times
where
we'll
have
bigger
groups
where
we'll
dispatch
a
bus
and
there's
signs
at
every
stop.
The
customer
has
to
physically
be
at
the
bus
stop
and
they
call
us
and
let
us
know
that
they
need
a
ride
and
we
ask
for
their
name
where
they're,
where
they're
being
picked
up
and
where
they're
going
and
then
we'll
give
them
an
approximate
time
that
will
be
there.
J
G
For,
like
the
one,
the
five,
the
six,
the
m,
those
routes
have
very
very
low,
ridership,
typically
20
to
30
people
a
day
with
a
bump
every
now
and
then
so
it
wasn't
cost
effective
to
really
have
a
bus
driving
back
and
forth.
So
it's
saving
us
on
maintenance.
It's
saving
us
on
manpower,
and
hopefully
it's
more
efficient
all
the
ways
around.
A
A
K
C
L
K
Wages,
I
think
chairman
counselor
video
I'll,
try
to
answer
that.
I
think
it's
at
least
half
of
my
salary
as
the
director
of
public
works
and
emily
pazula
was
the
only
there
were
the
only
two
people
in
admin
at
public
works
and
transit,
actually
funds
part
of
those
two
salaries.
So
it's
some
portion
of
emily's
in
mind.
That's
left
in
this
fund,
andy.
M
C
N
D
A
Second,
okay:
there's
a
motion
in
a
second
just
under
further
discussion.
If
the
committee
members
and
other
counselors
can
get
us
emails
between
now
and
monday,
with
specific
questions,
you
might
have,
I
kept
notes
from
yesterday
and
so
I'll
send
miss
mccoy.
My
notes
that
way
we
could
make
sure
that
we're
focused
on
monday
and
we
get
the
answers
to
the
questions
that
we
have.
Can
I
have
a
roll
call
please,
mr
chair?
Yes,
councilwoman.
J
Mr
chair
members
of
the
finance
committee,
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
do
have
a
couple
of
division
directors
who
are
in
the
attendees
to
kind
of
help
with
any
details,
but
but
ultimately,
public
utilities
department
again
is
made
up
of
environmental
services.
The
wastewater
water
division,
utility
billing
and
administration.
J
J
The
keep
santa
fe
beautiful
is
a
very
small
again
very
small
budget.
It
really
just
is
driven
by
grants
that
comes
in
and
how
that
how
that
money
is
pushed
out.
So
if
it
pleases
the
committee,
I
would
move
right
into
the
environmental
services,
which
is
the
meat
of
the
of
the
budget
and
the
reduction.
J
J
So
as
we
look
at
salaries
and
wages,
the
recommended
budget
is
in
line
with
our
actual
expenditures,
either
store
collect
from
18
and
19
and
does
include
picking
up
the
the
salaries
of
the
graffiti
workers.
But
ultimately
we
were
able
to
realize
about
139
000
in
reduction,
just
matching
it
with
actuals
and
did
balance
that
back
to
the
pol
to
me.
You'll
see
this
going
through
each
of
the
divisions.
J
Again,
it's
one
way
to
look
at
it.
We
do
balance
it
to
the
pol.
We
do
have
vacancies
some
of
the
vacancies
which
which
may
be
funded
and
some
which
may
not
be
funded
to
get
there.
But
but
historically
again
we
see
that,
even
though,
as
we
bring
in
staff,
we
still
see
staff
that
turnover,
and
so
that's
why
I
like
to
use
the
historical
information
of
actuals
expenditures
and
make
sure
we're
in
line
with
those,
and
I
felt
like
we
were
able
to
do
that
with
that
recommendation
of
the
4.5
million.
J
The
recommendation
is
still
a
little
above
what
we
see:
trending
actuals
through
the
past
two
fiscal
years,
but
definitely
less
than
20.,
mainly
driven
by
tipping
fees.
That's
a
major
expense
and
this
contractual
utilities
line
item.
We
do
work
very
closely
with
solid
waste
management
and
randall
kipenbrock
and
his
team.
J
J
Repairs
and
maintenance
stayed
relatively
flat
from
last
year
and
again,
it's
a
little
bit
above
what
we
historically
see.
But
a
lot
of
this
is
driven
by
cart.
Repair,
repairs
to
the
vehicles,
they'll
show
up
in
both
repair
maintenance
and
an
operating
cost,
so
that
one
did
remain
relatively
flat
for
us
supplies
also
remained
relatively
flat
and
I
do
feel
kind
of
it
stays
in
line
with
again
actuals
that
we
see
you
know,
plus
or
minus,
maybe
fifty
thousand,
we
did
see
a
site
reduction
in
insurance
again.
J
J
Our
larger
trucks
do
run
on
cng
compressed
natural
gas,
and
so
we
are
anticipating
seeing
a
savings
from
that
as
well
as
there
was
a
remodel
that
was
done
of
the
environmental
services
building
that
we
saw
in
fy20
that
is
now
complete
and
they
really
have
a
nice,
a
nice
facility
with
good
with
good
flow
and
area
for
the
for
the
staff
there.
So
those
were
those
are
two
major
components
that
allowed
us
to
to
see
that
reduction.
J
J
There
were
really
no
staffing
changes
to
this
other
than
that.
We
will
now
be
paying
the
salaries,
for
I
think
it's
three
or
four
employees
that
were
paid
from
the
general
fund,
so
you'll
be
paying
for
four
employees.
You
said
I
believe
that
is
correct.
I
believe,
there's
four
staff
members
that
run
the
graffiti
team.
D
J
Okay
on
the
contractual
services
again,
the
landfill
tipping
fees,
we
reduced
that
amount
by
a
million
dollars.
So
currently
I
would
say
that
we,
it
cost
us
about
three
two
and
a
half
to
three
million
dollars
in
tipping
fees,
for
when
we
pick
up
the
trash
and
we
drop
it
off
at
the
landfill
or
the
recycling
center.
We
were
anticipating
an
increase
in
those
tipping
fees.
We
talked
with
santa
fe,
solid
waste
management.
J
They
said
they're
going
to
hold
their
fees
for
this
current
fiscal
year,
so
we
reduced
that
by
a
million
dollars,
leaving
about
two
and
a
half
million
still
that
we
would
have
to
execute
tipping
fees.
The
other
reduction
was
the
antera
contract.
They
were
on
contract
for
about
half
a
million
dollars
again.
J
D
O
J
Mr
chairman
concert
video
coupler.
What
I
was
pointing
out
was
that
environmental
services
oversees
the
daily
function
of
a
graffiti
removal
team,
and
we
do
we
do
cover
some
of
their
costs
vehicles.
Things
like
that,
but
their
salaries
really
were
still
being
paid
from
the
general
fund
and
through
this
process
we
thought
it
would
be
in
the
best
intention
of
of
the
whole
budget
balance
is
that
we
go
ahead
and
pick
up
the
salaries
the
staff
works
for
us.
They
report
to
us
that
we
would
cover
their
salaries.
J
One
of
the
main
drives
is,
as
we
looked
at,
really
reductions
across
the
board.
That
is
a
very
small
budget
and
it
is
all
salaries
and
we
felt
by
bringing
them
into
environmental
services.
We
could
help
like
if
they
were
needing
to
see
an
18
cut
in
their
budget.
We
could
make
that
up
somewhere
else
with
larger
budgets,
so
both
helping
the
general
fund
and,
I
think,
aligning
staff
with
our
structure.
We
do
see
them
as
part
of
our
team
and
we
do
support
them
to
be
successful.
H
J
Mr
chair
councillor
sanchez,
that
is
correct.
Our
fleet
does
not
go
to
the
city's
fleet
department,
we
have
our
own
mechanics
and
bay
and
I
guess
we
really
kind
of
consider
like
the
the
the
large
trucks
are
really
kind
of
specialized,
very
time
consuming
and
and
the
fact
that
we
want
to
get
those
rolling
we
like
to
keep
priority,
so
we
do
bring
that
internal.
So
we
do
not
pay
portions
to
the
city's
fleet.
A
J
J
I'm
hoping
I'm
not
missing
a
group
they'll
have
to
forgive
me
if
I
did
so
again,
looking
at
wastewater
as
a
whole
again,
so
the
salaries
as
you
can
see
are
recommended
really
falls
in
line
with
more
about
actuals.
Again
there
are
some
vacancies.
Some
are
funded.
Some
are
unfunded
again
looking
at
actuals,
where
we
trend
over
the
last
two
years.
J
J
J
J
J
E
J
In
addition,
things
like
repair
maintenance
of
a
roof
over
the
turblex
building,
which
is
our
blower
building.
I
know
that
they
were
talking
about
repairing
that
roof
and
that
has
now
been
included
in
the
cip
project
they'll.
Actually,
I
think
they're
going
to
actually
remove
portions
of
the
roof
to
replace
the
blowers
and
we'll
pay
the
contractor
to
repair
that
roof
as
part
of
that
project
and
not
to
the
operating
budget.
So
those
are
just
a
couple
of
examples.
J
J
All
right,
the
water
division
very
similar
right
has
multiple
sections
and
each
one
of
them
is
looks
selected
individually.
But
the
overview
rolls
up.
This
includes
our
social
supplies,
both
the
kenyan
road
facility
and
the
buckman
director
version.
They
also
have
an
engineering
section,
water
resource
division,
conservation
that
all
make
up
that
water
division
and
work
together
as
a
team
to
make
sure
that
we
effectively
manage
our
water
sources
and
what
we'd
use
today
and
how
we
look
tomorrow.
J
The
water
division
was
looking
to
reduce
their
budget
by
about
3.7
million,
and
so
some
ways
that
that
was
accomplished
was
again
some
savings
and
and
and
salaries
and
benefits.
Again,
looking
at
our
recommendation
falling
more
in
line
with
our
actuals
of
fy
19.,
again,
there's
there's
vacancies
that
we're
working
to
fill.
J
But
we
also
realize
that,
during
the
filling
of
those
vacancies
that
that
we,
I
think,
will
remain
relatively
steady
and
so
again
that
one
was
just
making
it
align
with
actuals
very
similar
to
contractual
and
utilities,
making
that
align
more
with
what
we
we've
actually
seen
in
fy
18
and
19,
and
we're
able
to
realize
about
a
a
300
000
savings
there.
In
that
alignment.
J
Supplies
so
supplies
remain
relatively
the
same
with
where
we
were
last
year.
It
does
run
about
a
hundred
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
higher
than
actuals
a
lot
of
those
supplies,
I
would
say,
come
from
things
like
chemical
addition,
it
really
has
to
do
with
where
we
bring
the
water
source
from
this
year.
We
did
not
get
a
significant
amount
of
water
through
our
cannon
rover
facility,
and
we
did
get
some
right,
but
anticipating
that,
if
we
needed
to
lean
on
that
source
of
supply,
we
would
see
an
uptick
in
chemical
costs.
J
Other
operating
costs
we
did
see
a
reduction
of
about
1.4
million
in
this
operating
cost,
still
stays
about
about
a
million
dollars
higher
than
what
we're
seeing
as
far
as
actuals,
but
we
were
able
to
see
a
1.4
million
reduction
of
which
I
believe
about
400.
000
of
that
was
realized
through
a
reduction
in
the
buckling
director
version,
which
was
part
of
the
conversation
end
of
yesterday
and
again
absolutely
open
to
kind
of
to
continue
to
talk
through
that
one
on
those
other
operating
costs.
J
The
capital
outlay,
we
saw
a
slight
reduction
and
again
that
is
mainly
vehicles.
I
think
we
are
moving
forward
to
the
recommendation
for
one
with
one
vehicle
replacement,
but
putting
a
pin
and
another
one
to
kind
of
see
how
again
how
this
looks
as
we
trend
out
dead
service
stayed
relatively
the
same.
There
was
a
slight
slight
reduction
in
debt
service
and
we
did
see
a
reduction
in
transfers
out
but
able
to
again
to
reduce
budget
by
about
3.7
million
dollars.
I
J
I'm
just
curious
if,
if
mr
roach
is
is
on,
if
he
would
like
to
weigh
in
because
I
think
it
goes
across
the
five
sections,
each
each
having
kind
of
different
different
ones.
One
thing
that
I
would
point
out
is,
I
know
there
was
a
reduction
in
grounds
and
roadways,
so
they
actually
run
two
contracts
that
can
fix
street
repairs.
J
One
is
tlc,
the
other
one
is
gm
emulsions
and
the
decision
was
made
that
we
would
just
stay
with
the
gm
margin
contract
and
if
there
is
additional
repairs
that
have
to
be
done
right,
that
we
could
that
we
could
just
look
at
that
amid
in
that
contract.
That
was
about
a
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
savings
of
that
remaining
one
million
safe,
the
the
the
bid
contract
for
traffic
control.
L
L
The
in
the
budget
the
water
submitted
there
was
a
1.2
million
dollar
cut
in
the
bdd
source
of
supply,
light
item
where
they,
where
we
pay
bdd
for
the
city
share,
and
that
was
I
know
that
was
the
initial
request
to
bdd.
I
think
the
requests
ended
up
coming,
calling
for
a
larger
payment
from
the
city
than
that,
so
that
we
may
need
to
adjust
that
down
the
road.
L
Well,
the
transfers
out
in
the
case
of
water
is
virtually
all
of
that
is
the
transfer
to
the
utilities
administration
fund
to
pay
the
cost
of
utilities,
admin
and
utility
customer
service
all
three
of
the
main
utilities.
Water,
wastewater
and
esd
pay
those
costs
to
run
the
utilities,
admin
and
customer
service
billing
functions.
O
I
do
know
that
I
just
want
to
say
that
rick
carpenter
and
mackie
romero
are
on
board
as
panelists
if
they
want
to
chime
in
anywhere
here.
But
I
would
like
to
know
yesterday
after
the
buckman
direct
diversion
presentation,
we
said
we
would
wait
for
utilities
and
I'm
since
we're
at
the
water
portion.
I'm
wondering
if
this
would
be
the
time
to
discuss
any
further
comments
or
questions
that
the
committee
or
others
may
have
regarding
the
buckman
budget,
as
it
relates
to
the
water
budget.
A
Let's
that's
up
to
the
committee,
I
mean
we
we
we
have,
we
could
have
it
now
or
I
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
need
more
information.
We've
been
reserving
some
things
for
monday.
That
were
specific.
I
know.
Councilwoman
cassette
sanchez
had
some
questions
and
concerns.
I
don't
know
if
they
were
addressed
yesterday
or
not,
but
it's
up
to
the
committee.
What
does
the
committee
want
to
do.
E
I
J
A
O
J
J
Q
I'm
getting,
I
am
getting
my
aging
report
right
now,
so
I
can
give
you
totals.
I
obviously
can
break
it
up
by
division
if
you'd
like
to
know
that
I
just
don't
have
those
broke
down
that
small,
but
currently
we
run
the
aging
the
first
day
of
every
month.
So
this
information
is
through
june
30th
of
2020.
Q
We
currently
have
open
four
million
one
hundred
and
eighty
seven
thousand,
I'm
gonna
just
kind
of
round
up
31
to
60
days.
We
have
285
dollars
owing
from
61
to
90
days.
We
have
244
000
owing
and
from
91
to
larger.
We
have
2.2
million
owing
and
again
this
is
through
june
30th.
Just
to
give
you
sort
of
an
example
of
where
we
were
pre-covered,
so
through
february
29th
of
2020,
we
only
had
3.8
million.
Q
I
guess
you
could
say
reduction
from
where
we
are
now
17
000
from
61
to
90,
which
is
a
significant
reduction
knowing
that
currently
with
kovid,
we
are
oh,
we
are
owed
244
000
and
the
91
to
100.
Well,
excuse
me,
91
to
over,
we
were
down
to
1.9
million
dollars
owed
to
the
city,
and
now
we
are
up
to
2.2
million,
so
covet
has
has
caused
about
900
000
in
different
in
three
different
categories.
Excuse
me
in
three
different
categories:
a
significant
reduction.
Q
O
J
So
again
these
are
so
utility
billing
right
is
made
up
of
our
customer
service,
our
billing
department
and
our
collections
groups,
our
sections,
the
recommended
budget
for
salaries
again
was
targeted
to
match
the
actuals.
There
was
a
slight
increase
to
match
those
actuals,
the
utilities
and
contractuals.
J
We
did
see
the
recommendation
reduce
to
kind
of
align
with
actuals,
so
that
was
a
about
a
250
000
savings
there
to
align
those
the
repair
maintenance
again,
not
a
lot
of
not
a
lot
of
expensive
repair
maintenance,
but
kind
of
making
that
match
with
actuals
so
supplies.
We
did
see
a
reduction
of
about
a
little
of
over
half
a
million
dollars
in
supplies.
J
I
may
have
to
defer
to
nancy,
but
I
because
I
do
not
have
the
note
of
what
makes
up
that
that
amount
of
reduction,
but
you
can
see
that
the
recommended
does
still
try
to
fall
more
in
line
with
the
actuals
insurance
and
claims
again
is,
is
provided
through
the
finance
department.
Other
operating
costs
does
does
fluctuate,
but
in
fy
19
was
around
eight
hundred
thousand.
Q
Q
We
hope
that
we
did
not
reduce
the
amount
by
too
much
trying
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
budget
reduction
and
we
are
really
do.
We
really
do
try
to
push
individuals
to
get
email
statements
or
bills
rather
than
actually
sending
a
piece
of
paper
out
each
month,
so
those
are
kind
of
the
larger
cuts
for
the
supplies,
at
least
for
that
579
thousand
dollar
reduction,
the
other
operating
costs
that
reduction.
I
Q
No
actually
counselor,
we've
never
worked
from
home
every
single
day.
We've
we've
been
here
in
our
offices.
What
the
what
the
reduction
is
is:
we've
we
purchased
the
cubicles
and
the
chairs.
So
we
don't
now
need
to
replace
the
cubicles
in
the
chairs
for
this
coming
fiscal
year:
okay,
but
they're
all
there
physically.
Then
yes,
ma'am
yeah,
we've
we've!
Never!
I
I
just
can't
with
our
phone
system
and
what
is
required.
Q
We
we
really
can't
be
working
from
home
and
trying
to
take
paperwork
and
personal
information,
and-
and
you
know,
social
security
numbers
and
things
like
that,
there's
just
not
the
ability
for
myself
or
any
of
my
staff
to
be
at
their
house
doing
any
work,
so
they
are
here
in
the
office
at
san
mateo.
We
have
basically
the
whole
bottom
floor
and
all
28
to
30
of
my
employees,
along
with
the
cashiers,
are
here
every
day.
I
Q
Yeah,
the
the
cubicles
were
pretty
much
already
spaced
out
the
the
six
feet.
They
do
go
about
halfway
up,
so
they're,
probably
10
feet
tall,
so
there's
the
barrier
of
course
in
between
each
one
of
them.
But
yes,
there
there's!
No,
you
know
issues
with
with
space
or
the
six
feet.
You
know
concern
or
anything
like
that.
We
are
definitely
following
those
we've
got
the
masks.
We
have
the
hand
sanitizer.
You
know
we're,
providing
everything
disinfectant,
of
course,
for
them
to
wipe
their
desks
down.
Q
A
Okay,
so
we're
gonna
postpone
the
public
utilities
department
budget
so
that
on
monday
we
can
discuss
bdd
specifically,
I
know
that
yesterday
from
my
notes,
I
think
the
request
was
6.4
million,
which
is
a
23
increase.
Mr
jones,
you
did
a
really
good
job
today
of
talking
about
actuals,
so
it'd
be
helpful
if,
during
this
discussion
on
monday,
if
we
can
look
at
actuals
for
bdd
the
past
two
or
three
years,
I
think
that
would
help.
A
We
I
need
to
understand
a
better
understanding
of
how
that
works
and
if
indeed,
we
do
reduce
bdd's
budget
or
our
contribution
towards
it.
Does
that
mean
the
county
needs
to
do
the
same
or
what
impact
will
that
have?
So
those
are
my
notes.
I
would
ask
the
committee
if
they
would
please
email
any
other
questions
that
they
have
specific
to
the
bdt
discussion
on
monday,
councilwoman
lindell.
You
have
your
hand
up.
D
D
J
Okay,
we
are
working
close
with
hr,
so
there
are
specific
positions
that
we
have
put
a
pen
in
now
that
we're
not
actively
recruiting
for
that
would
allow
some
of
the
sections
to
to
realize
some
salary
savings,
the
the
the
essential
critical
positions
that
run
most
thin.
We
are
still
actively
searching
for
those
include
our
drivers
for
environmental
services,
water
plant
operators,
the
wastewater
plant
operators
on
those
are
still
actively
being
installed.
J
I
believe
the
buckman
director
version
is
the
only
operational
facility
that
doesn't
have
vacancies
in
the
operational
section,
but
jonathan
montoya,
who
runs
a
source
of
supply
up
on
kenyan
road.
I
know
he's
trying
to
fill
a
couple
of
of
operator
positions,
emanuel
sanchez
and
his
team
at
environmental
services
under
shirley
and
sidon
are
again
actively
seeking.
J
You
know,
truck
drivers
and
mechanics,
so
those
searches
are
still
continuing
and
we're
still
looking
to
fill
those
I
had
to
put
a
number
I'd
say:
we're
probably
running
at
about
80
to
85
staffed,
which
is
still
pretty
typical.
What
we
want
to
do
is
we
got
to
make
sure
that
we're
hiring
people
at
least
as
fast
as
they
are-
are
moving
or
or
or
resigning
to
maintain
status
quo.
J
Q
Q
In
light
of
what
I
believe
is
transpiring
through
parking,
I
believe
one
of
those
positions,
the
customer
service
rep,
is
asked
to
be
filled.
However,
I
have
had
a
conversation
with
mr
jones
that
that
might
not
potentially
be
the
best
avenue
for
the
staffing
levels
here
at
utility
billing.
I
really
do
need
the
supervisor
the
customer
service
rep
in
the
year
that
I've
been
here.
Q
So
I
do
have
I
completely
and
totally
understand
parking's
issues,
and
I
don't
want
anyone
obviously
to
lose
their
job,
but
I
also
have
to
be
able
to
feel
comfortable
in
in
running
a
division
also,
so
I
think
that
hopefully
helpful
for
some
of
your
questions
about
personnel
and
then
also
in
under
utility
customer
service.
We
do
have
a
vacant
cashier.
Q
I
don't
directly
supervise
the
cashiers,
but
we
do
have
a
vacant
cashier
and
my
understanding
is
one
of
those
parking
individuals
would
potentially
be
filling
the
cashier.
I
do.
I
have
a
conversation
with
their
supervisor
stephen
morales
and
my
understanding
is.
We
definitely
do
need
the
cashier,
so
we
again
are
very
hopeful
that
many
of
the
people
can
find
jobs
within
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
and
we
don't
have
to
go
further
with
with
ever.
D
I
I
appreciate
that
miss
jimenez.
I
trust
you
implicitly
to
know
the
personnel
that
you
need
and
what
training
that
personnel
would
need
to
serve
the
function
that
they're
asked
to,
and
I
hope
that
mr
jones
you'll
continue
to
have
conversations
with
nancy
about
this,
so
that
we
end
up
being
as
efficient
as
we
possibly
can
be
and
giving
the
customer
service
that
we
absolutely
want
to
give.
H
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
just
wanted
to
request
that
the
information
that
we
are
asking
for
regarding
some
of
these
pieces
with
bdd
as
well
as
some
of
the
conversation
we
were
having
earlier
with
mrc
if
we
could
get
this
info
by
friday,
so
that
we
have
the
weekend
to
review
in
time
for
those
monday
meetings
to
ensure
that
they're
efficient.
I
would
really
appreciate
that
that
was.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
would
just
add
to
your
list
on
bdd.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
understand
in
a
non-coveted
year
what
how
the
budget
process
between
bdd
staff,
the
county,
the
city,
how
that
works,
and
then
what
happened
this
year
that
brought
us
to
this
moment,
I
just
to
better
understand
how
how
the
budget
is
normally
developed
and
what's
happening,
that's
different
this
year.
E
R
J
J
J
So,
as
we
went
through
with
the
recommendation,
the
alignment
with
the
with
the
salaries
is
moving
those
positions
back
into
the
administration,
if
I
may
so,
the
administration's
budget
is
funded
from
the
three
enterprise
funds.
Water
waste
fund.
Environmental
services
pay
a
percentage
for
the
service
that
I
I
just
described
through
movement
and
salaries.
J
It
is.
It
is
typical
that
some
of
those
positions
show
up
specifically
on
one
division
and
that's
typically,
the
water
division,
and
so
what
we're
doing
is
trying
to
right-size
that
so
that
the
salaries
are
split
between
the
three,
so
you'd
see
a
reduction
of
salaries
and
water,
an
increase
in
administration
and
then
that
cost
would
be
delineated
between
the
three
enterprise.
J
So,
specifically,
like
regulatory
compliance,
our
regulatory
compliance
officer
is
alex
paglici.
He
does
play
a
tremendous
role
with
the
water
division,
but
he's
also
instrumental
in
environmental
services
and
their
work
on
clans,
closed
landfills,
waste
water
with
npds
permits
and
administrative
orders.
His
salary
should
be
paid
by
all
three
and
I
believe
it
was
only
being
paid
by
water,
and
so
we
moved
that
into
administration
to
get
that
split.
J
So
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
all
just
alex,
but
other
ones
that
come
in
are,
I
believe
we
fund
a
a
financial
position
for
procurement
again
that
shouldn't
just
be
bored
by
water,
so
we
bring
that
into
administration,
so
it
can
be
split
between
the
three
utilities
other
than
that.
Not
a
lot
of
other
expense
stayed
relatively
flat.
There
was
some
other
cost
savings.
I
J
H
E
S
Good
afternoon,
chair
and
committee,
sorry,
I
was
on
attendee
level,
rich
brown.
I
am
the
new
director
of
the
community
development
department
and
I
wanted
to
sort
of
go
through
what
this
department
is
and
then
we'll
we'll
make
our
way
through
the
different
groups.
Who
will
each
each
division
manager
will
actually
explain
their
budget
changes,
and
I
will
start
with
economic
development,
which
is
where
I
had
originally
led
the
department
and
spillwell
as
a
part
of
community
development.
S
So
the
new
media
development
department
is
being
created
to
support
where
business
and
arts
and
culture
thrive
and
again
we're
going
to
create
wealth
and
uplift
in
our
community
and,
as
you
see
from
the
slides
here,
there
will
be
six
departments
under
this.
This
group,
one
thing
I
want
to
sort
of
add
that's
not
in
this
mission
overview-
is
that
this
group
will
be
a
little
bit
more
entrepreneurial
than
the
services
group.
S
It'll,
be
our
job
to
reach
out
be
innovative,
so
that
we
can
show
some
performance
results
around
how
we
are
creating
uplift,
how
we're
stimulating
our
economy,
how
we're
providing
equity
into
the
community
with
our
residents
and
also
as
we
face
this
pandemic.
How
do
we
address
some
of
the
issues
that
are
constant
as
businesses
try
to
struggle
between
opening
closing
how
to
be
safe?
How
to
be
not
next
slide?
S
We
have
50
furlough
for
four
pay
periods
for
the
director,
which
is
me,
and
then
we
have
ten
percent
furlough
for
four
paid
periods
for
all
the
employees
in
the
general
fund
area,
and
we
have
two
different
funds.
There
are
no
pay
cuts
or
layoffs
in
economic
development,
but
we
do
have
our
furloughs
for
those
four
pay
periods.
S
Other
big
changes
in
the
stack
on
the
enterprise
fund
side,
which
is
actually
two
one
two.
We
have
two
vacancies
for
broadband
manager
and
for
economic
development
specialists,
so
they
will
not
be
filled
in
the
next
fiscal
year.
This
coming
fiscal
year
and
that
also
my
role
is
actually
split.
My
funding,
my
pol
funding,
is
split
between
these
two
funds.
General
fund.
S
There
are
no
changes
to
those
contracts,
so
we
will
keep
the
same
level
as
fy20
going
into
fy21,
and
then
we
will
have
some
decreases
in
supplies
and
insurance
and
in
our
operating
costs
we
will
have
a
decrease
of
16
000,
and
that
is
a
decrease
in
advertising
and
we're
hoping
to
make
up
some
of
that
funding.
As
we
sell
public
land
that
will
will
go
back
into
our
enterprise
fund
to
be
used
for
enterprise
and
economic
development
activity.
I
I
Division,
sorry,
department,
director
and
yet
also
wearing
the
head
of
the
economic
development
division
director
yeah
there's
also
a
pay
cut
involved.
So
how
does
that?
How
does
that
work
in
terms
of
the
sustainability
of
of
you
as
a
person,
but
also
just
the
multiple
roles?
That
takes,
I
mean
that's
like
overarching
management
of
all
divisions
and
then
also
what's
occurring
in
the
economic
development
division.
S
Mr
chairman,
council
very
well
yes,
yeah,
to
answer
to
answer
some
of
your
questions,
so
I
will
have
a
modest
pay
increase
taking
on
this,
this
role,
because
I'll
be
managing
six
departments
versus
one
and
then,
as
it
relates
economic
development.
You
know
to
your
point
about
the
mission
and
it's
a
work
in
progress
is
that
we
are
going
to
work
over
the
next
couple
months
and
to
how
we
show
the
merger
of
these
departments.
You
know
some
are
industry
sectors,
tourism,
some
is
culture,
some
islands,
some
as
economic
development.
S
I
S
Yeah
for
staffing
changes
on
the
general
fund
side.
We
are
adding
back
the
economic
of
the
asset
development
manager.
It
was
an
open
vacancy
and
so
we're
going
to
fill
that
role
and
then
we're
also
having
an
executive
admin
from
city
hall
is
transferring
over
to
our
department,
economic
development
and
on
the
gen
on
the
enterprise
fund
side.
We
had
two
vacancies.
We
had
a
broadband
communications
manager
who
was
vacant
and
we
have
not
been
able
to
fill
that.
S
We
had
a
10
person
earlier
and
then
we
also
had
a
second
economic
development
specialist
and
that
role
is
still
going
to
be
vacant
for
the
fiscal
year.
So
we're
hoping
that
economic
conditions
improve
so
that
in
the
fy
22
are
we
able
to
fill
those
in.
We
will
be
working
with
the
I.t
department
on
our
broadband
telecommunications
plan,
so
there
will
be
work
done
there.
It's
just
that
we
don't
have
a
specific
person,
who's
driving
it
at
a
pace.
That's
faster
than
you
know,
normally,
you'll
see.
T
S
Mr
chair
council
rivera
yes,
I
I
will
take
on
the
role
of
the
director
of
this
community
development
department
and
so
the
divisions
in
the
previous
two
slides
up
those
six
divisions,
housing,
tourism,
land
use,
arts
and
culture,
recreation
and
economic
development
will
then
fall
under
my
purview
as
division
managers.
So
question.
U
U
T
T
U
U
Mr
chair
counselor
b,
ho
coupler,
if
I'm,
if
I
may,
that
that
is
that
is
the
executive
position
executive,
the
administrative
executive
administrator
in
the
city
manager's
office
as
we'll
go
through
tomorrow.
When
we
do
the
city
manager
budget.
The
way
that
we
got
to
city
management
reduction
was
there's
two
people
in
that
office
and
so
that
that
is
what
that
is.
O
So
so
that's
just
something
that
I
don't
need
an
answer
on
now,
but
we'll
still
be
following
then
for
mr
brown,
I
didn't
hear
you
mention
anything
about
the
economic
advisory
board
in
your
presentation
and
I
I
would
like
to
know
if
that
board
is
still
going
to
be.
I
I
didn't
hear
you
say
anything
about
it,
but
I
think
the
people
on
the
board
would
want
to
know,
and
then
I
definitely
as
chair
want
this
reorganization
to
go
before
the
board.
O
O
I
don't
think
any
of
them
have
a
clue
except
me
about
what's
going
on
here,
and
I
don't
know
that
that
should
come
from
me
and
if
it
should
then
I'll
wait
await
your
advice,
but
nobody
likes
surprises,
and
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
very
surprising
to
them.
So
I
just
give
you
that
as
a
heads
up
and
and
definitely
would
want
this
on
the
next
agenda,
the
next
meeting
agenda.
S
If
I,
if
I
could,
mr
chairman
of
the
council
vehicle
yes,
the
economic
development
advisory
committee
is
still
a
part
of
our
scenario
as
an
economic
development
group
and
as
it
relates
to
community
development.
I
think
if
this
organization
scenario
is
approved,
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
speak
of
in
another
meeting
to
figure
out
where
it
fits.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Okay,
thank
you
and
yeah.
Thank
you,
councilwoman
v,
koppler.
For
your
your
comments.
We,
I
introduced
an
ordinance
at
the
beginning
of
today's
agenda
regarding
the
reorg,
and
so
I
think
if
we
can
get
comments
and
questions
like
that,
put
together,
that
vehicle
gave
so
that
we
could
have
those
types
of
discussions
not
here
as
we
do
the
budgets,
but
when
we
actually
look
at
the
ordinance
which
is
scheduled
for
city
council
on
august
26th.
A
S
A
V
Hello,
mr
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
I
will
be
running
us
through
the
planning
and
land
use
budget
also
available
is
assistant
director,
jason
kluke.
To
answer
any
questions
should
they
come
up,
but,
as
you
see
here
on
the
first
slide,
you
have
the
planning
and
land
use
department
mission,
as
well
as
a
org
chart
of
how
we
are
organized
within
planning
and
land
use.
We
are.
V
E
V
E
V
E
E
V
V
The
difference
can
be
explained
by
a
60
000
transfer
into
fund
250,
which
we
will
look
at
later,
as
well
as
a
three
thousand
dollar
transportation
grant
to
the
npo
of
a
difference
of
63
thousand
dollars.
So
that's
that
difference
between
the
15
change
from
our
overall
budget
and
17
change
from
our
general
budget.
V
Perfect,
so
the
first
division
is
building
permits.
The
building
permit
division,
ensures
code
compliance
for
the
preservation
of
life
safety
and
the
general
general
welfare
for
the
people
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
through
the
performance
of
residential
commercial
plan
review
and
permit
services.
This
division
is
also
responsible
for
administering
the
green
building
code.
A
D
D
V
V
One
of
the
vacancies
was
created
by
an
internal
promotion
of
our
permit
expediter
to
a
planner
in
historic
preservation.
That
transfer
has
been
delayed
due
to
the
needs
of
the
overall
department
in
specifically
in
building
permits.
We
also,
as
part
of
last
year's
budget
reorganized
the
planning
and
land
use
department
and
created
two
assistant
director
positions.
V
Much
of
the
additional
workload
caused
by
the
vacancies
and
building
permits
has
fallen
on
the
shoulders
of
assistant
director
jason
klug.
He
deserves
quite
a
bit
of
credit
for
working
in
our
in
our
department
to
allow
us
to
transition
to
the
e-permitting
system
that
we
have
up
and
running
as
a
response
to
cobit,
but
that
is
you
know.
V
I
don't
know
if
that
is
a
long
term,
if
that's
a
sustainable
way
of
dealing
with
these
vacancies,
the
other
vacancy,
while
we're
discussing
it,
was
created
by
another
internal
promotion
of
a
project
specialist
into
you
know
richard
trujillo,
who
is
now
our
building
permits
division
manager.
So
those
are
that's
how
these
vacancies
were
created.
I
think
we,
you
know,
as
we
look
forward
and
hopefully
are
in
a
position
to
rebuild
the
land
use
department.
Both
of
those
positions
are
top
priorities
in
terms
of
getting
those
refilled.
V
V
V
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
a
new
hand.
Eli
I
wanted
to
ask
about.
I
was
gonna
ask
about
permits,
I
think
that's
an
excellent
question
by
councillor
lindell,
because
we
get
a
lot
of
complaints
from
our
business
people
that
it
takes
a
long
time
for
permits.
I
think
it's
improved,
but
on
the
other
hand,
that's
something
that
touches
every
builder,
whereby
you
know
time
is
money
for
them.
O
So
thank
you
for
doing
what
you
can
to
speed
it
up,
and
I
do
believe
that
with
these
cuts
it
might
be
a
little
harder,
but
you
know
I
trust
you'll
keep
an
eye
on
it.
The
biggest
thing
I
have
is
is
an
enforcement,
and
we,
you
know,
as
a
city
council,
we
do
pass
a
lot
of
rules,
we're
getting
ready
to
pass
more.
You
know
we
we've,
you
know
we're.
O
I
think
all
the
council
is
clearly
concerned
about
making
our
community
a
better
place
and
more
responsive,
but
the
biggest
thing
is
is
on
you
know
what
we
have
and
you-
and
I
know,
because
I've
talked
to
you
about
several
things.
We
rely
on
our
constituents
to
tattletale
and
we
we
don't,
you
know,
get
out
in
front
of
of
the
rules
and
and
ordinances
and
resolutions
that
we
create.
O
O
We
don't
we
that's
big
and-
and
you
you
already
know
that,
so
I
think
one
of
the
issues
with
that
is
that
we
haven't
enforced
our
rules
on
on
that
and
and
it's
grown
into
a
bigger
issue
than
maybe
it
would
have
so
within
this
budget.
How
comfortable
are
you
with
having
the
resources
you
need
to
not
only
do
status
quo,
but
to
get
out
in
front
of
this
enforcement
issue.
V
Thank
you
for
the
question,
mr
chairman
councillor,
veeho
koppler.
Before
answering
that
question,
I
would
we
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity.
As
you
mentioned,
you
know,
things
are
getting
better
and
building
permits
and
I
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
recognize
the
efforts
of
that
team.
V
That
team
has
been
working
tremendously
hard
through
the
pandemic
and
we
as
a
group,
have
really
changed
the
way
we
do
business
and
it's
caused
some
frustration
on
the
part
of
our
contracting
community,
but
I
think,
as
we
continue
to
iron
out
those
processes,
you
know
that
group's
been
instrumental
in
supporting
the
construction
industry
in
santa
fe.
So
I'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
recognize
those
contributions.
V
V
I
think
right
now,
with
the
vacancies
that
we
have
and
the
staffing
levels
that
we're
at.
Unfortunately,
I
think
status
quo
is
probably
more
more.
You
know
more
in
line
with
where
we're
going
to
be.
For
the
time
being,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
very
difficult
with
where
we're
at
to
you
know,
make
the
transition
into
being
more
proactive,
whether
it
be
in
building
enforcement
or
str
enforcement.
V
But
I
think
we
are
figuring
out
ways
to
do
what
do
our
jobs
more
efficiently
and
more
effectively
with
the
resources
we
do
have
now.
I
think
that's
being
demonstrated
with
our
performance
over
the
past
few
months,
and
we
hope
that
once
we
are
presented
with
an
opportunity
to
add
some
of
these
key
staff,
people
back
to
our
team,
that
those
dividends
will
pay
off
and
we'll
be
able
to
leverage
those
new
ways
of
doing
business,
into
better
enforcement.
A
V
So,
thank
you,
mr
chair
again,
you'll
see
in
in
in
almost
every
division
a
a
pretty
significant
change
in
other
operating
costs.
The
majority
of
those
reductions
are
in
the
areas
of
training
and
travel.
You
know
I
think,
in
trying
to
anticipate
you
know
what
the
next
year
looks
like
in
terms
of
professional
development
conferences,
other
types
of
things
that
necessitate
travel
per
diem
and
those
types
of
expenses.
V
We
just
don't
see
a
lot
of
those
happening.
There
was
a
handful
of
us
slated
to
attend
the
american
planning
association
national
conference
in
houston
this
past
april.
That
would
have
been
in
fy
20's
budget
that
that
that
conference
was
canceled,
for
instance,
and
our
dues
and
registration
fees
refunded,
and
so
I
think
we've
made
cuts
there,
anticipating
that
we
will
not
be
doing
a
lot
of
that
professional
development
type
work
over
the
next
year.
T
V
V
Thank
you
for
that
question,
mr
chairman,
council
rivera,
so
I
haven't
in
the
in
the
budget.
That's
before
you,
you
know
these
other
other
operating
costs.
You
know
we
haven't
slashed
them
to
zero
and
and
the
thinking
behind
that
was
to
provide
some
money.
If
we
do,
if
we
are
in
a
situation
where
we
can
refill
a
position
to
make
sure
we
have
the
funds
available
to
get
them,
the
proper
training
come
to
us
with
all
the
necessary
certifications.
V
So
there
is
some
money
there
and
that's
and
that's
the
thinking
behind
it.
You
know
to
your
in
a
larger
sense.
You
know
the
question
you're
asking
is,
you
know,
are
the
we've.
We
have
a
historically
had
a
difficult
time
filling
vacant
positions,
especially
in
some
of
our
more
or
more
technical
areas,
whether.
V
Review
inspections,
other
things
like
that
engineering
has
been.
We
have
an
engineering
position,
that's
been,
you
know
it
has
no
covet
has
no
bearing
on
that
vacancy
we've
tried
to
fill
that
several
times
since
I've
been
with
the
city,
and
so
it's
it's
difficult
to
find
qualified
people
that
are
interested
in
working
with
the
city.
Now
I
think
part
of
that
maybe
had
to
do
with
the
strength
of
the
public's
of
the
private
sector.
V
If
we
see
changes
there,
there
may
become
more
interest
in
public
sector
employment,
so
that
may
help,
but
no
that's
a
constant
concern
for
us
and
I
think
it's
one
that
we
had
to
come.
You
know
that
came
up
in
in
our
conversations
with
finance
and
the
administration
in
putting
this
proposal
together
was
you
know
the
the
need
to
you
know
maintain
our
current
staff
as
best
as
possible.
V
V
I
S
V
A
Okay,
eli,
then
inspections
and
enforcement
is
next.
I
don't
see
any
major
changes
to
this
division.
You
explained
other
operating
costs.
We
do
see
a
little
bit
of
a
decrease.
That's
like
you,
said,
training
and
travel,
probably
but
other
than
that.
I
don't
really
see
any
major
changes
with
inspections
and
enforcement.
Do
we
have
questions
from
the
committee
regarding
inspections
and
enforcement.
V
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
councillor
via
real,
so
that
was
really
just
due
to
having
some
folks
in
the
wrong
munis
org
codes
in
our
pol,
and
so
as
we
put
people
in
their
proper
business
units,
there
were
some
changes
in
the
salaries
and
benefits.
However,
there
were
no,
you
know,
salary
increases
or
raises,
or
anything
like
that,
given
to
any
staff.
V
P
A
A
V
That
is
thank
you,
chairman.
That
is
correct.
The
mpo
is
funded
through
a
federal
transportation
grants.
If
you
look
at
the
the
numbers
there,
the
percent
the
10
increase
in
salaries
benefits
is
carryover
from
the
reductions
of
10
000
and
12
300.
Those
reductions
are
based
off
a
federal
formula
that
is
used
to
allocate
resources
to
metropolitan
planning
organizations
across
the
country,
and
so
that
is
not.
E
V
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
council.
Remember
worth
I'm
not
entirely
clear.
Historically,
where
mpo
has
has
sat
over
the
years,
it's
been
in
planning
and
land
use
ever
since
I've
been
with
the
city,
however,
so
this
is
not
does
not
represent
any
sort
of
reorganization
or
any
changes
to
the
overall
organizational
chart
of
the
city.
Mpo.
L
Mr
chair
councillor,
romero
wirth.
This
is
andy.
It's
it's
been
in
planning
and
land
use.
Since
I've
been
here
for
19
years,
it
wasn't
always
a
division
unto
itself
as
it
is
now,
but
it
was
located
within
planning
and
land
use
for
is
you
know
for
quite
a
while.
Now
it's
been
at
least
at
least
19
years,
because
it's
been
there
the
whole
time
I've
been
here.
Y
Y
It
was
part
of
the
housing
and
community
development
department
so
beginning
in,
I
believe
the
I
want
to
say,
2008
or
so
the
housing
and
community
development
department
was
created,
it
could
have
been
2010
and
it
was
affordable,
housing,
economic
development,
the
mpo
and
long
range
planning,
and
that
was
disbanded.
Maybe
three
years
ago.
E
L
E
V
V
L
T
T
Thank
you,
following
up
on
council
romero
worth
I
sat
on
that
committee
for
a
while,
and
it
seems
like
most
of
the
discussion
was
around
really
roads
and
trails,
and
in
that
sense,
since
we're
looking
at
reorganization,
maybe
it
fits
better
under
public
works
than
it
does
under
planning
and
land
use.
So
I
think
I
would
ask
the
city
manager
to
take
a
look
at
that
and
probably
have
some
discussion
with
john
and
with
eric
and
also
with
eli,
and
see
if
it's
really
in
the
right
place.
A
I
V
V
So
I
think
that's
an
accurate
statement.
However,
you
know
part
of
last
year's
budget.
If
you
remember,
250
000
was
set
aside
in
our
contracts
and
services
line
item
and
that
money
was
earmarked
to
begin
a
three
to
five
year
program
of
long-range
planning,
working
with
staff,
but
also
working
closely
with
outside
consultants
to
help
us
with
that
effort
we
do
have
was
before
you
know,
as
as
sort
of
the
world
changed.
V
I
was
working
closely
with
procurement
to
issue
a
rfp
for
a
land
use
code,
review
and
revision
that
that
project
is
currently
on
hold
until
we
see
where
our
revenues
are-
and
hopefully
that's
something
later
this
year.
But
this
the
department
is
still
very
serious
about
long-range
planning
sees
the
need
for
long-range
planning
in
the
city,
and
we
are
working
and
looking
at
different
avenues
and
opportunities
to
do
some
form
of
long-range
planning
this
year,
and
certainly
in
the
years
moving
forward.
E
V
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
council
romero
worth
I
mean.
I
think
we
we
did
make
some
important
some
important
strides
in
that
direction
during
carol's
time
with
the
city.
She
and
I
work
closely
in
sort
of
devising
this
multi-year
plan
for
reinvigorating
long-range
planning
and
one
of
the
critical
first
steps
in
doing
that
was
the
reorganization
of
our
department,
which
we
were
able
to
do.
V
It
took
a
little
bit
longer
than
I
think
we
had
usually
expected,
but
you
know
by
the
fall
of
last
year
we
had
both
assistant
director
positions
created
and
filled,
and
it
was
only
within
six
weeks
of
getting
those
positions
filled
that
carol
johnson
announced
her
last
day
and
so
there's
been
some
challenges,
just
internal
changes
and
things
like
that
that
have
delayed
us
a
little
bit
and
getting
out
of
the
gate
with
with
these
projects.
However,
you
know
one
of
my
key
responsibilities.
E
H
A
Okay,
then
technical
review
eli.
I
don't
see
that
there's
really
any
changes
in
technical
review.
That
budget
I
mean
there's
minor,
but
when
you
look
at
the
overall
budget,
there's
a
one
percent
increase.
Are
there
questions
from
the
committee
regarding
technical
review,
councilwoman
villarreal?
Thank
you.
V
Thank
you,
mr
chairman
council
villarreal
that
position.
I
think
the
position
you're
referencing
is
our
green
building
code,
specialist
position
that
is
actually
part
of
our
excuse
me
building
permits
division,
it's
not
in
technical
review.
We
hope
to
be
able
to
hire
for
that
position.
That
position
is
is
a
very
important
position.
It
does
both
plan
review,
but
also
does
inspections.
So
it's
it's
one
of
those
positions.
V
That's
it's
difficult
to
to
fill
and
and
difficult
to
cover
for
right
now,
we've
split
those
responsibilities
amongst
other
staff
and
building
permits
and
some
of
our
inspections,
people
so
we're
we're
sort
of
getting
by
now,
but
I
think
that
is
definitely
a
position.
That
is
a
priority
position
in
the
budget
right
now.
V
I
V
Right
so
catherine
mortimer
was
in
in
the
green
building
group.
She,
I
think,
spent
some
time
in
environmental
services
before
I
think
she
has
now
retired
and
then
d.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
plan
review
is
being
done
by
our
residential
plan
review
team.
The
plan
view
piece
is
actually
part
of
is
some
of
the
more
straightforward
aspect
of
that
job.
It's
the
inspections
piece
that
is
take
some
getting
familiar
with
and
that's
being
done
by
multiple
people
in
our
inspections
and
enforcement.
V
I
Well,
there
is
somewhat
of
us
expertise
in
this
that
not
all
people
in
the
residential
plan
review
would
necessarily
know
about.
So
how
are
you
figuring
that
out,
because
that
I
see
that
as
potential
problems
when
we're
trying
to
do
plan,
reviews
and
inspections
without
some
of
the
expertise
that
d
brought,
and
maybe
you
have
a
plan
for
it,
but
just
the
way,
I
I'm
not
understanding
completely
how
that's
going
to
be
filled.
V
Thank
you,
mr
chair
counselor
muriel.
So
we
did
have
a
couple
weeks
of
heads
up
of
the
delinda's
departure.
We
were
able
to
use
that
time
to
do
some
cross
training.
The
plan
review
piece.
You
know
it's,
you
know
there
is
some
training
involved
deeping.
You
know
the
expert
that
she
was
was
able
to
bring
a
residential
team
up
to
speed
pretty
quickly.
V
Also,
on
the
inspection
side,
she
was
able
to
work
with
folks,
both
in
plumbing
and
general
building,
to
help
teach
them
train
them
on
how
to
do
the
inspections
for
the
green
building.
So
are
we
is
that?
Was
there
a
100
knowledge
transfer?
I
don't
think
so.
Was
there
enough
knowledge
transfer
to
ensure
that
we
are
doing
a
good
job
of
ensuring?
I
Well,
I
see
it
more
of
a
a
gap
that
we
need
to
fulfill.
I
mean
whether
it's
training
people
in
that
area
with
the
staff
we
have
or
filling
that
position
later,
but
I
think
that's
a
big
piece
if
we're
trying
to
fulfill
our
goals
with
the
green
building
code
and
then
there's
some
there's
some
adjustments
that
still
need
to
be
made
with
the
green
building
code
and
is
it
who
will
be
taking
that
on.
V
So
that
will
so
that
was
that
handoff
happened
with
our
assistant
director
jason
key.
He
will
now
be
in
charge
of
of
the
updates
to
the
green
building
code.
It
was
not
it
was.
You
know
it
was
close
to
being
where
it
needed
to
be
when
delinda
left.
I
don't
think
it's
quite
ready
to
move
forward
through
the
legislative
process,
but
again
that's
another.
V
I
A
V
Absolutely
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
the
large
change
in
the
sellers
and
benefits
in
the
land
used
in
the
admin
division
there's
one
one
reason
for
that
is
the
existing
vacancy
of
my
old
position
as
assistant
land
use
director.
So
that's
a
good
good
chunk
of
that
and
then
the
rest
of
it
is.
We
had
our
code
compliance
team
that
handles
code
violation,
property
maintenance,
str
enforcement.
V
V
Yes,
so
I'm
not
sure
where
the
the
f-19
actuals
number
I
would.
I
would
ask
mary
and
maybe
andy
to
help
verify
that
number,
because
it's
I
understand
that
we've
actually
we're
more
spent
more
closely
to
you
know,
350
of
that
this
year
the
439
represents
the
additional
money
received
last
year
through
the
budget
process
for
the
long-range
planning
program
that
we
discussed
earlier.
V
Yes,
I
I
do
feel
that
220
is
appropriate.
A
lot
of
that
money
in
the
last
year
and
the
reason
why
I'm
I'm
wondering
if
the
f9
f19
actual
money
is
correct
is
is
a
lot
of
that
money
went
towards
contract
agreements
with
or
contractual
service
agreements.
Excuse
me
with
engineering
support
in
our
terrain
management
as
we
lost
some
staff,
we
needed
some
support
both
on
the
engineering
inspection
side.
We
spent
roughly
about
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
on
those
services.
Last
year.
V
E
I
I
With
that,
with
that
change,
until
staff
has
just
had,
they
can
just
talk
with
staff
instead
of
us
deciding,
because
we
don't
know
the
ins
and
outs
and
structures
of
things
and,
frankly,
I
don't
even
think
landu
should
be
in
a
community
development
department.
I
think
it
should
remain
its
own
department.
I
don't
like
these
structures
arbitrarily
deciding
that
we
think
mpo
should
go
here
or
there.
I
think
they
should
work
it
out
and
figure
out
where
the
best
location
is.
A
E
Yeah
I
mean
having
served
on
the
mpo,
I
think
councilor
rivera
is
correct.
I
was
chair
of
that
organization
for
not
almost
a
year
until
covet
hit
or
some
elections
came
or
if
there
was
some
change
and
it
it
it
does
deal
with
transportation
and
roadways
and
traffic,
and
so
I
don't
it
and
again
I
thought
it
was
in
public
works.
I
was
surprised
to
see
it
in
planning
and
land
use,
and
I
I'm
happy
to
you
know,
hear
from
staff
about
that.
V
Okay,
if
I
could
just
interject
I
I
think
I
think
I
agree
with
if
counselor
via
real
and
if
we
could
have
some
time
as
a
as
staff,
to
discuss
some
of
the
pros
and
cons
of
that
of
that
realignment
and
maybe
make
a
presentation
back
to
the
finance
committee
at
a
later
date
and
and
maybe
talk
about
it
more
moving
forward.
As
we
start
to
see
how
some
of
these
other
changes
that
are
being
proposed
may
or
may
not
affect
how
we
do
business.
V
E
A
E
D
D
Y
Y
Again,
personnel
nobody's
being
no
no
pay
cuts,
no
layoffs.
We
have
an
empty
position
that
is
partially
funded.
20
percent
in
the
from
the
general
fund,
but
mostly
from
our
community
development
block
grant
and
the
primary
role
of
that
position
is
to
administer
the
block
grant.
We
are
not
filling
that
position
right
now.
Y
I
am
not
clear
and
maybe
andy
is
listening
and
he
can
help
us
understand
why
the
budget
shows
a
dollar
change
in
the
positive
for
the
salaries,
wages
and
benefits
on
the
general
fund,
because
I
don't
I
don't
really
know
why
that's
there,
but
I'm
sure
there's
a
good
explanation
for
that.
I
just
wanted
to
touch.
Y
Y
So
that's
where
you
see
the
negative
fifteen
thousand
dollars
in
the
and
in
the
budget
book
I
I
will
request
that
finance
staff
amend
some
of
the
narrative
in
the
budget
book
which
talks
about
the
contractual
services
under
community
development,
increasing
by
308
901
for
rental,
subsidy
payments
and
other
financial
services
funded
by
cdbg
grants.
So
that's
not
accurate.
Y
We
have.
There
are
three
ways
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
supports:
affordable
housing
through
our
general
fund.
We
have
contracts
with
home,
buyer
training
and
services
and
homeowner
support
services
agencies
homewise
in
the
housing
trust.
This
is
the
last
year
before
your
rfp.
We
will
rfp
for
those
services
again.
Next
year
we
have
cut
those
contracts
back
to
the
bare
minimum
that
is
legally
required.
Y
That
piece
of
the
budget
is
is
still
in
place,
so
that's
where
we
will
fund
the
coalition
and
homelessness
and
the
adelante
family
support
program
to
provide
rental
assistance,
but
the
rest,
the
other
two
funds,
the
commute
development
block
grant
fund,
which
you're
all
familiar
with
to
some
extent
and
also
our
local
funding
source,
which
is
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
in
past
budget
systems.
Those
two
revenue
sources
were
had
their
own
separate
numbers
in
the
budget,
so
it
was
very
easy
to
keep
them.
Y
Keep
them
keep
tracking
track
them
in
in
in
in
separate
ways
under
munis.
They
have
the
same
munis
org
code.
So
that's
why
it
becomes
a
little
confusing
and
I
think
that's
where
the
confusion
came
from,
but
I
would
like
that
narrative
to
say
that
these
services
are
funded
by
cdbg
contracts,
not
grants
and
affordable
housing
trust
fund
contracts.
Y
Y
We
also
mobilized
some
of
our
trust
funds
that
we
we
received
into
the
trust
fund
through
some
payments
from
fee
and
lieu
of
agreements,
and
we
made
the
decision.
We,
the
community
development
commission,
recommended
that
the
funds
be
mobilized
immediately
during
this
fiscal
year
because
of
all
of
the
challenges
going
on,
and
we
didn't
even
know
about
the
pandemic
at
that
time.
So
that's
why
that
seems
like
such
a
big
increase.
Y
It's
actually
just
availability
of
funds
because
we
do
not
use
the,
and
this
is
unlike
many
of
the
other
revenue
funds
at
the
city-
we're
not
looking
at
a
projected
revenue
flow.
We
are
actually
basing
the
recommended
contracts
allocations
on
the
cash
balance,
that's
in
the
fund
at
the
time
the
allocation
is
made
so
that
that
number
represents
real
money.
It's
not
it's
not
based
on
a
projection,
and
I
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions.
H
Y
Chair
counselor
cassit
sanchez,
they
will
remain
in
our
administrative
budget.
We're
allowed
to
use
20
of
our
entitlement
grant
to
cover
administrative
costs.
So
until
we
fill
the
position,
we
will
use
the
funds
to
support
the
administration
of
the
of
the
grant
as
much
as
we
can.
So
we
will
pay
for
some
online
training
for
staff.
Y
I
Y
I
Y
L
Funds,
councilor
villarreal-
this
is
andy.
I
can
speak
to
that.
There
is
actually
one
other
fund
there
are.
There
are
other
other.
You
know
former
e-1
funds
mixed
into
this
community
development
fund,
for
example,
that
includes
some
of
the
other
housing
areas
such
as
affordable
housing,
loan
and
affordable
housing
trust,
but
those
have
separate
org
codes
in
the
system.
L
So
we're-
and
you
know
in
some
cases-
project
ledger
codes,
so
we
are
able
to
keep
them
separate,
so
it
wouldn't
be
possible
for
say
you
know,
affordable
housing
loan
to
spend
cdbg
money.
It
could
only
be
spent
through
the
cdbg
org.
So
that's
one
of
the
flexibility
that
the
new
financial
flexibilities
that
the
new
financial
system
offers
us
that
we
didn't
really
have
before
that
we
can
segregate
budgets
without
having
a
kajillion
funds
like
we
used
to
have
because
you
know
they're.
L
Y
And
mr
chair
counselor
via
real-
if
I
could
add
to
that
too,
and
thank
you
andy
for
the
clarification
I
think
it
gets,
it
doesn't
get
confusing
on
the
expenditure
side,
it
gets
confusing
on
the
revenue
side
because
it's
when
you
just
look
at
that
one
big
number
you
don't
know
which
is
which
well
that's.
Why.
I
L
In
some
cases,
like
this
example
or
in
other
cases,
it
may
lead
to
a
reduction
in
most
cases,
it'll
be
an
increase
because
we
had
a
pretty
healthy
vacancy
credit
last
year
and
I
believe
for
most
areas
it
was
10
and
so
in
a
lot
of
places
this
year
have
less
than
10
staff
vacancies.
So
that's
why
you
see
a
net
increase.
In
addition
to,
of
course,
you
know
the
things
like
the
health
plan
changes
and
any
salary
increases
that
were
put
into
place
last
fiscal
year
before
the
covid
crisis
happened.
C
C
C
Mr
chair
counselors,
this
is
just
really
for
smaller
divisions,
a
better
way
to
budget
that
way.
They
are
fully
funded
for
the
costs
of
their
positions
of
their
filled
positions,
of
which
there
are
three
currently
two
and
a
half
are
in
the
general
fund
and
the
other
half
is
in
the
fund
240
at
37
000.
I
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
I
I
just
want
some
clarification,
so
the
spreadsheet
I
see
online
in
front
with
the
shared
screen
is
obviously
what
I'm
following,
but
the
budget
book
and
then
the
the
paper
one
prior
that
I
have
and
then
I
have
the
one
that
the
budget
book
that
was
emailed
yesterday
by
mary
mccoy
are
different.
O
The
spreadsheets
don't
match
the
one
on
the
screen
so,
for
example,
salary
and
wages
and
such
on
the
documents
emailed
yesterday
and
in
the
budget
book
that
I
have
had
a
minus
one
percent
in
salaries,
wages
and
benefits,
and
now
obviously,
we've
been
discussing
the
37.
So
I
I
just
want
to
know
from
miss
mccoy
what
happened
in
between
these
spreadsheets.
C
Mr
chair
counselor,
that's
a
great
question,
so
the
budget
book
has
all
of
the
funds
general
fund,
community
development
and
land
use
wrapped
up
into
one,
whereas
the
sheets
that
we
are
presenting
in
front
of
you
today
dives
into
more
detail.
So
it
separates
out
the
general
fund
from
the
community
development
fund.
So
you
can
see
the
level
of
complexity
and
the
level
of
detail
with
each
of
the
different
divisions
that
we
are
presenting.
C
O
C
O
O
C
Mr
chair
counselor,
I
did
email
that
to
everyone
and
it
is
posted
online
as
well.
I
emailed
that
out
yesterday
morning,
and
you
know
we
will
continue
to
do
the
same
with
the
other
division
level,
detail
that
we're
providing
throughout
these
presentations
and
again,
the
sum
total
of
these
divisions
into
rolled
up
into
a
department
is
what
is
presented
in
the
budget
book.
O
C
Before
so,
mr
chairman
counselor,
the
tables
in
the
budget
book
did
not
change
if
you
notice
the
grand
total
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide,
15
the
291
000.
That
is
the
grand
total
of
of
the
page
that
you're
looking
at
in
the
budget
book
and
again.
That
is
the
summary
level
for
this
particular
division.
But
for
these
presentations
we
decided
to
be
a
little
bit
more
transparent
and
give
additional
detail
again
to
review
the
level
of
complexity
that
you
know
alex
and
her
team
deal
with
between
the
general
fund
and
her
other
funds.
O
O
C
Chart
mr
chair
counselor.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
The
level
of
what
you
are
seeing
in
front
of
you
is
a
summary
level.
So
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
grand
total
at
the
bottom
of
this
screen,
as
well
as
in
the
page
that
you're
looking
at
for
affordable
housing,
those
two
will
match,
and
so
what
we've
presented
to
you
here
is
just
additional
level
of
detail
that
again
dives
into
more
of
the
specifics
that
align
with
the
programs
that
each
one
of
these
divisions
manage
right.
A
W
I
C
The
budget
book
no,
mr
mr
chair,
counselor
via
rail,
actually
it
could
we
have
either
level
of
detail
available.
So
if
the
committee
prefers
this
level
of
detail
to
be
included
in
the
budget
book
we're
more
than
happy,
I
really
do
think
this
provides.
You
know
so
much
more
information,
the
traditional
way
of
displaying
the
budget
book.
What
is
actually
required
by
ordinance
is
a
the
display
that
you,
the
format
that
you
see
in
the
budget
book
it's
by
department
by
division
by
category
and
by
fund.
C
So
that's
what
you
see
in
those
tables
again,
we
you
know
in
consulting
with
staff
over
the
last
few
weeks.
We
really
do
feel
that
this
provides
just
so
much
more
transparency
and
so
much
more
information
about
the
complexity
of
the
organization.
The
complexity
of
the
funding
structure
you
know,
as
alex,
has
been
able
to
speak
to
the
complexity
of
her
organization
and
what
she
works
with
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
and
you
know
john
romero
reviewed
it
with
us
yesterday,
shannon
earlier
today.
I
Yeah,
I
think
it
would
help
just
because
the
budget
book
is
high
level
and
it
doesn't
break
it
down.
I
mean
it
breaks
it
down
in
categories,
but
then
we
don't
really
see
the
full
picture
like
this,
so
I
actually
think
these
are
more
helpful
in
the
end
to
be
able
to
add
that
to
the
finalized
budget
when
we
get
there
but
yeah,
so
it
helps
to
have
these.
We
just
don't
get
them.
I
C
You
yes,
and
we
do
apologize
for
that
short
notice.
We
are
working
as
fast
as
we
can
to
provide
this
level
of
detail
in
the
standardized
format,
so
I
will
be
sending
out
the
departments
for
tomorrow
and
for
thursday
shortly.
Staff
has
wrapped
those
up
today
so
really
appreciate
staff
spending
the
extra
time
to
provide
this
level
of
detail
in
the
standardized
format.
For
the
committee
this
year.
A
I
I
I
So
again
you
see
in
fund
213
the
talk
about
the
salaries
and
wages.
That
was
where
one
position
was
our
contracts
we
have
decreased,
but
while
still
maintaining
some
funding,
that
will
help
with
doing
some
art,
activations
and
as
well
as
funding
programs
such
as
new
year's
eve
also
comes
out
of
this
as
a
city
historian,
as
well
as
some
consulting,
for
example
like
the
mayor's
arts
awards
or
other
artists
professional
development
through
marketing.
I
In
addition,
we
have
some
supplies
out,
of
course,
we're
going
to
need,
and,
more
importantly,
I'm
looking
that's
like
office
software
for
our
grant
program,
insurance
standard
across
the
board
for
all
city
departments
that
was
calculated
by
finance
and
then
our
other
operating
costs.
This
is
where
we
took.
This
was
painful.
This
is
where
our
cultural
investment
funding
program
comes
out
of.
I
I
Really
doing
a
great
job
doing
this
pandemic
and
changing
things
up
and
so
to
have
to
cut
this
by
quite
a
bit
of
our
funding
program
was
from
800
000.
Now
it's
going
down
to
about
320
and
I'm
hoping
with
additional
increase
in
the
lodgers
tax
for
this
fiscal
year
will
be
able
to
supplement
that
later
on.
But
this
as
challenges
also
allows
us.
I
Also
during
this
time,
it's
really
important
for
our
youth,
we've
been
impacted,
so
you'll
see
in
fund252
for
arts
and
culture
grants.
I
didn't
take
anything
out
of
that,
because
that
is
a
priority
for
our
youth.
Some
of
that
is
for
the
partners
in
education,
and
some
of
the
other
funding
will
be
to
work
with
youth
in
arts
and
culture
making,
but
while
also
providing
the
technical
skill
set
for
transition
and
strategies
to
create
other
pathways.
I
We
know
that
one
in
ten
creative
jobs
or
one
in
ten
of
the
jobs
are
in
the
creative
field,
and
so
this
is
our
opportunity-
and
this
moment
in
time
to
really
look
at
those
how
to
maximize
those
digital
platforms
and
build
those
skills
that
already
are
happening
in
the
schools
with
that
and
other
art
collectives
fund.
520
is
our
community
art
gallery.
This
is
the
opportunity
that
we
have
to
provide
artists
with
additional
professional
development,
especially
in
this
time
we've
seen.
Many
of
our
artists
lose
a
bulk
of
their
income.
I
I
Currently
we
had
we'll
our
gallery
manager
position.
Will
remain
vacant?
Our
project
specialist
usually
sits
in
there,
but
I
cannot
have
one
person
sit
in
the
gallery
alone,
so
we're
going
to
do
a
little
bit
of
remodel
so
that
we
can
manage
that
once
we
do
reopen
and
we
look
forward
to
when
we're
able
to
do
that.
But
in
the
meantime
we
have
transitioned
to
a
digital
platform.
I
So
there's
some
cost
on
that
for
photography
and
some
digital
ebooks
and
other
things
that
we
are
still
looking
to
promote
our
exhibitions
as
well
as
help
our
artists
with
gallery
sales
and
marketing.
So
that
is
our
budget.
In
a
nutshell,
and
again,
we
are
hopeful
that,
with
lodgers
tax
and
with
us
flattening
the
the
curve
as
a
community
that
we
will
have
an
increase,
some
more
funds
and
logistics
that
we
can
supplement
our
budget,
hopefully
by
mid-year
and
I'm
available
for
any
questions.
I
And
thanks
pauline
for
being
able
to
show
how
you
feel
about
the
impact
with
our
budget,
I
mean
it
doesn't
just
impact
our
staff,
but
it
impacts
the
community
and
you
know
it's
like
basic
services
are
one
thing,
but
also
just
cultural
enrichment
and
connection
to
cultures
is
really
kind
of
life-saving.
In
my
opinion,
so
thank
you
for
your
work.
I
Just
had
a
couple
questions
about,
you
were
talking
about
the
cultural
investment
funding
and
that
was
solely
funded
through
lodger's
tax,
or
was
there
another
piece
of
that
that
I
missed
no
we're
fully
lodgers
tax,
so
the
grant
the
cultural
investment
program.
The
grant
program
is
fully
larger
tax
funded.
So
a
portion
you
said
there
was
still
a
portion
of
that
320
000.
Did
I
get
that
number
right?
I
That's
what
the
program
is
and
then
the
other
component
of
that
the
other
expenses
for
that
line
item
would
be
services
in
other
departments,
which
is,
I
think,
all
departments
have
to
do,
and
then
we
also
have
a
small
amount
for
professional
associations
like
the
american
for
the
arts.
We
have
membership
views
from
that
and
also
grant
makers
in
america.
So
it's
important
for
us
to
keep
those
right.
I
Okay,
so
are
you
saying
then
no
grants
other
than
the
small
ones
you're
talking
about
the
youth
related
and
the
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
art
entrepreneurs,
but
those
are
small
grants,
but
there's
no
grants
that
will
become
going
out
this
year
for
a
regular
grant
cycle
like
no,
that's,
not
correct.
We
will
have
the
grant
program
it'll
be
revamped,
so
our
current
grant
program
that
we
did
have
been
doing
has
been
six
grant
categories
with
a
grand
total
amount
for
distribution
of
over
eight
hundred
thousand.
I
That's
no
longer
feasible,
so
we
are
looking
at
revising
and
revamping
the
grant
program
in
order
to
reflect
the
needs
and
still
with
the
focus
of
marketing
and
promotion,
which
is
a
mandate
of
the
use
of
lodgers
tax.
But
now
we
have
the
opportunity
to
look
at
how
arts
organizations
and
how
consumers
and
patrons
are
accessing
the
digital
format,
so
that
could
be
more
artist.
I
Organizations
having
artists
do
segments
that
then
go
on
a
virtual
platform
that
can
still
be
attraction
for
tourism,
but
tourism
from
your
seat
from
your
home.
Again,
we're
still
looking
at
the
drive
market
and
when
we
are
up
and
running
again,
but
that
program
will
there
will
be
a
grant
program.
This
is
going
to
look
very
different
and
it
has
to
look
different.
B
B
F
F
Once
they
head
back
happy
to
report
that
we
opened
up
safely
the
hanover
chavez
center.
Yesterday
we
had
almost
200
participants
go
through
and
it
was
like
either
christmas
and
or
hanukkah
all
at
once,
as
people
were
coming
in
very,
very
happy
to
to
be
in
enjoying
enjoying
the
pool
and
enjoying
the
the
fitness
fitness
center.
F
F
F
As
I
mentioned
yesterday,
we
have
been
the
best
that
we
have
been
as
far
as
staff,
and
you
can
see
that
in
the
trend,
especially
in
the
aquatics
section,
on
the
variance
for
contractual
utilities,
the
the
big
pieces
there
that
that
you
will
see,
involve
nmed
pool
inspections,
red
cross
security,
monitoring,
fitness
store,
repairs
and
items
like
that,
so
those
those
were
adjusted.
We
have
enough
funds
to
properly
inspect
pools,
and
you
know
do
the
trainings
that
we
still
have
left
in
this
fiscal
year.
F
F
There
are
some
small
adjustments,
but
the
big
one
and
I'll
throw
this
question
over
to
to
andy
and
or
to
bradley,
because
the
biggest
variance
there
was
services
to
other
cities.
That
was
for
186
000
forty
nine
dollars,
and
that
was
the
the
variance
there.
But
some
of
the
some
of
the
adjustments
that
we
did
make
internally
as
a
department
or
as
a
division,
was
on
training,
travel
registration,
so
again,
travel
is
restricted,
and
so
we
we
pulled
back
on
some
of
those
funds.
C
Mr
chair
counselors,
what
I
would
ask
andy
to
explain
as
we
as
we
go
through
these
budgets
in
the
other
operating
category.
As
john
correctly
stated,
we
do
have
services
to
other
departments
and
those
as
our
budgets
have
been
reduced.
The
services
to
other
departments
have
also
and
likely
the
majority
of
the
case
has
also
been
reduced.
So
I'd
ask
andy
to
give
the
committee
a
highlight
again
of
what
services
to
other
departments
consist
of.
Will
we
pull
up
the
detailed
numbers.
M
Mary
well
he's
bringing
up
the
detail.
I
have
that
up
right
now,
so
in
the
other
operating
costs.
Typically,
you
have
travel
training
fees
and
taxes.
So
if
we
pay
any
of
the
departments,
pay
a
fee
or
a
tax,
it
would
be
there.
Advertising
promotion,
rentals,
grant
operating
costs,
and
in
this
case
this
is
in
certain
internal
service
charges,
which
is
services
to
other
city
departments
which
covers
basically
finance,
hr
city
attorney
and
then
lastly,
is
inventory.
Exempt
and
inventory
exempt
is
really
small
tools.
M
C
Thank
you,
brad
and
counselors.
John
munoz
is
correct.
The
largest
decrease
in
that
category
and
brad
just
provided
an
explanation
of
what's
in
that
category,
is
186
000
to
services
of
other
departments
and
again
andy.
If
you
can
just
explain
generally
to
the
committee,
what's
included
in
services
to
other
departments,.
L
Yes,
well
one
slight
correction
to
what
brad
said,
because
this
actually
came
up
yesterday
too,
the
general
fund
service
charges
where
we
charge
them
and
we
don't
charge
them
here-
include
finance,
hr,
payroll
things
of
that
nature.
But
a
few
years
ago
we
stopped
charging
the
city
attorney's
office
out
to
departments,
and
but
those
are
only
charged
to
limited
places
like
the
biggest
go
to
the
utilities,
because
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
general
fund
paying
for
general
funds
purposes.
So
those
are
not
located
here
in
this
case.
L
F
Thank
you
andy.
Thank
you,
mary.
Thank
you
very
much
for
confirming
that.
So,
as
we
move
along
for
wreck
programming,
the
contractual
utilities,
the
eleven
thousand
dollar
adjustment,
that
is
outdoor
recreation,
primarily
the
triathlon
as
again
going
back
to
the
governor's
orders,
with
the
five
to
one
ratio
or
organized
sports,
we
we
eliminated
that
that
fund
as
well
moving
on
to
special
wreck,
leagues,
contractual
and
utility
utilities
as
well
again.
A
F
That's
that's
correct,
mr
chair
committee,
members,
the
team
still
you
know
we
still
meet
and
attempt
to
be
creative.
You
know
we'll
see,
hopefully
in
the
future,
as
the
the
budget
develops
more
and
as
you
mentioned,
grts
come
in
with
different
numbers.
Maybe
there's
different
things
that
we
look
at
as
we
flatten
out
the
curve
or
boxing
box
in
the
the
virus.
F
I
F
F
Equipment
that
we
have
purchased
in
the
past-
and
sometimes
that
takes
time
I
mean,
depending
on
on
who
the
fitness
store,
is
servicing
and
the
travel
between
here
in
albuquerque
and
just
the
complexity
of
the
repair
it
may
take
time
to
to
to
fix
our
our
proposal.
Our
plan
was
to
lease
equipment
and
then
you
know
which
would
make
it
a
faster
transition
that
if
at
least
piece
of
equipment
were
to
break
down,
then
it
would
be
replaced
pretty
fairly
quickly.
F
You
know
the
the
numbers
look
better
for
covet
and
the
governor
does
lift
some
of
the
restrictions
where
we
may
be
able
to
assist
in
you
know,
maybe
smaller
smaller
camps
and
other
other
things
like
that.
Other
reduction
services,
for
example,
and
those
are
related
also
to
the
pandemic
or
are
no,
you
know,
no
classes,
no
yoga
into
fitness
classes
and
things
like
that
same
thing
for
swimming
lessons
in
big
swimming
camps.
I
F
So
as
as
far
as
this,
this
budget,
I
think
you
know
we
have-
we
have
enough
head
count
to
to
staff
the
hanover
chavez
properly
with
the
hours
that
we
have
now
we
have
the
ability
to
expand
slightly.
You
know
maybe
adding
another
day,
and
we
have
enough
staff
to
open
one
more
facility,
either
bc
pool
or
or
fort
morrissey.
Currently,
salvador
perez
is
still
under
construction.
F
So,
with
that
with
the
budget
we
currently
have
in
our
head
counts,
we
could
service
to
facilities
in
the
future.
You
know
if
we
need
to
come
back
and
and
as
the
manager
has
mentioned,
and
director
mccoy
and
the
chairman
you
know
this
is
this
is
a
process,
so
you
know
in
in
three
six
months,
maybe
the
picture
changes
and
we're
open
able
to
open
another
facility,
and
at
that
time
I
would
come
back
and
ask
for
more
head
count
in
to
staff
fit
techs
and
aquatics
team
members.
F
Mr
chair
concert
video
thank
you
for
that
question.
That
is
correct,
so
ensuring
that
we
have
the
proper
ratio
of
aquatics
members
ensuring
that
we
have
enough
team
members
to
do
sanitation
and
enough
members
to
do
intake
in
you
know,
fill
out
forms
for
contact
tracing.
That's
that's
that's
correct!
That's
the
staffing
that
we
have
either
to
keep
to
keep
hanover
chavez
open
and
or
to
open
one
more
facility.
H
H
H
Do
we
have
a
plan
for
our
staff,
what
our
recreation
staff
can
be
doing,
either
by
being
lent
out
to
other
departments
or
just
thinking
about
other
ways
that
we
can
still
be
providing
recreational
activities
virtually
for
our
community
members?
I'm
just
curious,
you
know
kind
of
how
we're
thinking
about
this
and
and
of
course,
I
know
that
there
are
a
thousand
different
scenarios
that
we
don't
know
which
is
going
to
occur.
So
I
would
just
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
you
know.
F
Mr
chair
counselor
cassid
sanchez.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Yes,
we've
been
meeting
extensively
with
the
parks
team
and
with
the
mrc
team,
and
we
do
have
a
plan
b.
So
if
covid
numbers
go
in
the
wrong
direction,
then
the
recreational
team
members
would
would
go
back
and
get
back
go
back
to
their
assignments
and
help
out
with
parks
and
in
the
mrc.
F
H
And
then
our
potential
reorg,
which
of
course
breaks
apart
parks
and
recreation
and
mrc
that
should
not
impact
this
ability
to
have
that
collaborative
nature.
Still,
I'm
because
I
feel
that
that's
important,
you
know
if
we
do
move
forward
with
this
reorganization
parks
and
rec,
you
know
there's
a
reason
that
they're
often
put
together.
Z
F
Yes,
go
ahead,
john
anyway.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I
don't
know
where
I
left
off:
it's
a
great
team.
You
know
the
the
wreck
rec
folks,
whether
they
were
fit
techs
or
coordinators
or
lifeguards.
They
picked
up
a
weed
eater
they
put
on
gloves,
put
on
their
safety
gear.
Their
glasses
picked
up,
garbage,
picked
up
trash
and
worked
side
by
side.
F
You
know,
parks,
members,
that
the
recreation,
crews,
wow
you
guys
work
really
hard
and
and
the
parks
team
members
would
be
very
complimentary
of
the
rec
team
and
say
you
know
you
guys.
Thank
you
for
your
help
thanks.
You
guys
are
learning
quickly,
you're,
you're,
cross-trained,
and
so
one
one
thing.
Definitely
that
kova
did
is.
F
You
know
not
only
help
us
where
we
were
as
far
as
teamwork,
it
kind
of
helped
us
even
get
get
closer,
and
so,
as
far
as
now,
if
they're,
if
the
reorganization
is
approved,
I
just
do
not
see
an
issue
with
with
the
recreation
team.
You
know
not
wanting
to
to
help.
It
will
help
wherever
they
can
help,
and
so
will.
I.
H
I
actually
was
not
too
concerned
about
the
team
members,
because
I
know
that
there
was
you
know
just
such
a
you
know:
wonderful
teamwork,
effort
and
people
going
over.
It's
it's
the
coordination
efforts.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
are
still
there
and
I'm
happy
to
hear
you
say
as
well
that
you
will
help
wherever
you
can,
because
I
know
that
that
we
have
a
lot
of
uncertainty
coming
forward.
H
H
I
do
think
a
lot
about,
though,
in
terms
of
recreation.
For
me,
it's
not
fitting
here.
It's
kind
of
a
one
of
these
things
is
not
like
the
other.
I
think
that
that
wreck
goes
into
health
and
safety.
In
my
opinion,
I
also
the
other
piece
I
start
to
think
about
is
thinking
about
our
park
spaces,
not
just
as
infrastructure,
but
the
recreation
that
takes
place
on
parks.
H
So
I
know
that
we'll
have
a
lot
more
opportunities
to
talk
about
the
reorg,
but
this
is
one
that
I
feel
needs
a
lot
more
conversation
moving
forward.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
that
does
in
terms
of
approving
the
budget.
Mary,
maybe
you'd,
be
the
one
to
speak
to
that
or
or
chair
beta
in
terms
of
approving
the
budget
today
and
then
how
these
buckets
move
around
and
whether
or
not
that
impacts
the
bucket.
If
we're
looking
at
this
from
another
perspective
in
terms
of
the
reorganization.
A
Councilman
casa
sanchez,
we
we're
approving
numbers,
we
can
improve
the
numbers,
so
we
should
approve
the
budget,
but
it
sounds
like
there's
probably
going
to
be
the
the
need
for
at
least
one
maybe
two
more
hearings
regarding
the
reorg
itself
before
it
is
heard
by
the
council
on.
I
think
it
was
introduced
for
august
26th,
so
I
would
assume
there's
going
to
be
some
more
discussion
regarding
the
reorg
itself.
Here
we,
I
don't
see,
there's
a
problem
with
approving
the
numbers
that
are
submitted
in
the
budget.
H
D
D
We're
doing
everything
we
can
you're
doing
everything
you
can
and
the
entire
team
is
doing
everything
they
can
to
try
to
stay
where
we
are
now,
instead
of
going
backwards.
We
know
that
we
can't
advance
with
this
budget,
but
tell
us
the
pain
points
in
this
budget
that
you
think
the
public
might
feel.
F
Mr
chair
councilmandel,
thank
you
for
that
question,
so
I
would
say
that,
from
a
community
perspective,
the
our
residents
would
feel
would
miss
or
are
missing
the
opening
of
fort
marcy
facility.
They
are
missing,
bc
pool
it's
a
beautiful
area,
it's
it's
outside
and
we
have
very
dedicated
swimmers
that
are
there
religiously
at
six
o'clock
6
30
in
the
morning
and
who
would
like
would
like
to
swim
like
we
would
all
like
to
return
to
to
normalcy.
F
The
ice
rink,
although
that
facility,
it's
not
going
to
be
permanent
now
because
of
the
governor's
orders,
but
you
know
there's
potential
to
look
at
that.
I've
been
meeting
with
different
constituencies,
different
groups
who
are
very
reasonable
and
say
well,
john.
We
need
different
hours
and
maybe
it
should
be
managed
differently
or
we
need
different
hours
with
and
we
should
be
promoting
the
hockey
or
the
ice
rink
better
than
what
we're
doing.
So.
F
F
Chair
and
counselor
lindell,
I
think
people
are
longing
to
just
return
back
to
normalcy
and
as
we
work
through
this
budget
and
hopefully
look
at
it,
you
know
three
months,
six
months
down
the
road
and
there's
room
to
gain
a
little
bit
more.
Maybe
we
could
and
covid
has
the
coveted
numbers
have
improved,
there's
a
possibility
that
we
could
also
quickly
pivot
to
offer
more
services
that
that
our
residents
have
grown
accustomed
to
and
really
enjoy.
D
Well,
I
I
really
appreciate
that
mr
munoz-
and
I
am
appreciative
to
you
also,
I
know
you've
put
a
tremendous
amount
of
work
in
on
this.
Some
areas
are,
are
the
public's
much
more
engaged
with,
and
sometimes
the
dialogue
isn't
easy
or
pleasant,
and
I
appreciate
very
very
much
how
you've
answered
and
participated
in
that
dialogue,
and
I
also
note
in
this
budget
that
you
personally
are
giving
up.
D
Salary-
and
I
would
just
like
you
to
know
that
it
doesn't
go
unnoticed
and
you've
been
a
terrific
team
member,
so
I
think
addressing
these
things
and
acknowledging
where
we
are
and
what
we
can
provide
and
what
we
can't
provide
with
this
level
of
funding
allows
people
to
know
and
that
you
know
once
you're
past
about
12
years
old.
We
don't
like
surprises.
D
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
thank
you,
john
for
all.
The
work
you've
done
in
these
very
challenging
times
with
your
team
and
with
these
facilities
and
the
planning
to
be
prepared
for
whatever
it
is,
you
know
we
can
or
can't
do.
I
I
have
to
ask
you
directly
because
of
the
volume
of
email
that
we've
received,
what
and
you've
touched
on
it,
but
I
I
just
wanna,
I
guess
turn
the
volume
up
on.
It
is:
what
is
the
status
of
the
ice
rink
under
the
governor's
orders
and
this
budget.
F
F
But
you
know,
and
again
we
worked
worked
through
the
budget
and
we
were
able
to
to
keep
that
in
play.
The
governor's
order,
specifically,
are
that
it's
a
indoor
recreation
facility,
so
it
is
a
facility
that
is
enclosed
inside
another
building,
also
with
as
with
hockey.
It
is
an
organized
sport.
It
is
a
contact
sport.
So
as
an
example,
we
did
not
open
racquetballs,
indoor,
tennis
or
indoor
pickleball,
because
it's
an
organized
sport
and
that's
under
the
governor's
orders
not
to
open
it.
F
So
the
the
rink
is
not
operational
right
now.
We
will
continue
to
maintenance
it
and
look
after
it.
You
know
if
there's
a
phase
two
from
the
governor's
office
that
may
I've
been
in
contact
with
the
governor's
office
that
that
may
include
the
ice
rink
it
may
not,
or
it
might
include
portions
of
it,
like
maybe
figure
skating
or
individual
individual
plays.
So
we
will
definitely
keep
an
eye
on
that.
But
for
now
the
ice
rink
is
closed
due
to
the
governor's
health
order.
E
E
F
You
know:
there's
there's
various
ideas,
good
ideas
out
there
great
observations
as
far
as
you
know,
things
that
we
could
do
more
efficiently,
better
and
to
be
even
more
inclusive
of
bringing
more
skaters
safely
into
the
rink
and
and
bring
in
some
some
more
revenue.
That
would
would
help
us
with
our
financials.
But
but
yes,
these
are
short-term
and
long-term
items
that
we're
looking
at.
O
O
O
O
So
I'm
very
encouraged
by
what
I
hear
today
and
I
hope
that
it
doesn't
change
what
I'm
hearing
today.
It's
a
it's
an
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
our
young
children,
old
children,
for
anyone
actually
who
who
uses
it
and
you
know.
Obviously
the
hanover
chavez
center
is
in
councillor
casa
center,
my
district.
O
I
think
people
generally
attend
facilities
close
by
to
them
and
because
so
our
constituents,
I
think,
are
more
vocal,
maybe
not,
but
I
know
a
lot
of
other
city
city
district
constituents
use
it,
but
we
hear
a
lot
of
the
the
issues
and
certainly
the
the
concerns
about
what's
going
on
at
the
center
and
then
of
course
you
hear
them
from
me.
So
thank
you
for
addressing
them.
O
F
So
in
the
process
of
laying
those
off
in
just
with
attrition
and
furloughs,
we
we
have
lost
roughly
eight
lifeguards
and
stand
to
lose
another
few.
We
have
enough
for
hanover
chavez
with
19
members
of
the
aquatic
team
there
and
11
to
open
to
open
either
bc
or
fort
marcy,
and
so
we
have.
We
have
that
aquatic
base
or
bench
that
we
can
pull
from
so
throughout.
Throughout
the
years
we've
we've
had
issues
and-
and
you
know,
we've
all
lived
this
of
recruiting
life
guards.
F
It's
been
very
difficult,
so
my
aquatics
team,
under
the
leadership
of
matt
cottle
and
liz
roybal
and
myself
and
and
abby
and
denise
and
others
we,
we
started
up
an
internal
recruitment
campaign
and
we
were
staffed
again
to
lose
that
many
life
cards
we
were
staffed
very
healthily.
I
was
happy
to
say
that
last
last
season
there
were
no
closures
due
to
lifeguard
shortages.
F
There
were
two
mechanical
issues
and
one
human
error
where
we
closed
for
a
little
bit,
and
so
as
as
we
move
on
and
and
look
at
in
the
future
opening
up
another
site
once
salvador
perez
is
finished
with
construction,
we
will
have
to
aggressively
again
recruit.
Have
the
budget
have
the
positions
and
recruit
for
lifeguards
so
that
we're
able
to
staff
that
additional
site.
O
F
Mr
chair
councilor
b
hill
koppler,
we
do
have
lifeguards
and
other
recreational
team
members
still
out
at
parks
or
at
the
mrc.
Some
of
those
include
lifeguards
there's
enough
coverage
at
the
hanover
chavez
right
now,
we're
open
monday
through
saturday,
as
we
open
up.
If,
as
we
hopefully
numbers
show
that
and
we
work
out
our
processes
at
hanover,
then
we
will
be
able
to
pull
the
lifeguards
from
the
mrc
and
parks
and
and
and
start
them
up
at
another
site.
F
O
Okay,
well,
I
would
just
caution
that
there,
as
you
know,
they're
very
difficult
people
to
recruit
most
of
the
pools
in
santa
fe
are
open,
even
albuquerque,
and
you
know
they
pay
more.
So
plus
you
have
to
get
the
certification
and
a
lot
of
young
kids
don't
know
how
to
swim.
So
I
would
just
caution
you
to
try
to
keep
your
eye
on
that,
because
when
you
need
them,
you
need
them.
You
know
and-
and
you
kind
of
have
to
start
way
before
you
need
them
in
terms
of
recruitment.
O
O
F
Mr
chair
counselor
vihil
koppler.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Yes,
as
I
understand
we,
we
still
have
the
position
in
in
my
budget.
Unfortunately,
last
the
last
go
round.
We
were
working
through
hr
for
approvals
on
on
the
salary
and,
as
we
were
working
through
that
and
covet
hit
the
my
candidate
selected
a
job
elsewhere.
So
but
we
are
gonna,
we
are
gonna
re-post
and
I
know
we
have
talent
out
there
and
we
will
fill
that.
F
We
will
fill
that
position
shortly,
I'll
we're
going
to
repost
and
do
the
justification
form
and
get
that
position
filled.
It's
important.
I
I
totally
agree
with.
You
is
a
key
role.
The
hanover
chavez
is
177
000
square
feet,
it's
like
its
own
little
city
and
that
that
facilities
directory
is
like
its
mayor
and
we
need
a
mayor.
O
I'm
sorry,
but
we
need
a
facilities
director
and
a
very
experienced
one,
and
I
have,
I
can't
believe,
I'm
bringing
this
up
again
because
I
have
brought
it
up
since
being
on
the
council.
Every
single
budget
season.
I've
brought
it
up
in
normal
city
council,
presentations
about
you,
know
the
facilities
and
recreation
and
there's
something
about
this
center.
That
you
know
seems
to
be
a
little
cash
cash
reserve.
With
regard
to
this
particular
position,
and
it's
not
okay.
This
is
again.
I
can't
stress
enough.
O
This
is
the
largest
facility
we
have
it's
the.
I
think
I've
heard
it's
the
largest
in
new
mexico,
and
it's
it's
it's
it's
very
it's
a
very
needy
facility
and
for
it
to
go
without
a
facilities
director.
I
can't
imagine
the
workload
being
placed
upon
the
other
people
all
this
time
with
with,
I
don't
think,
increases
in
pay
to
accomplish
what
this
facility
needs,
and
you
know
if,
if
anything,
I
think
at
least
someone
should
have
been
temporarily
promoted
to
that
position
temporarily,
because
it
requires
an
experienced
person.
O
Not
just
anybody
can
run
that
facility
and
in
the
meantime
I
think
somebody
should
get
something
for
caring
about
the
facility
because
somebody's
caring
for
it,
but
probably
not
the
full-time
job
that
it
needs
and
I've
been
in
there
I
mean
it.
Could
it's
not
perfect
and
it
could
be
more
perfect
because
it
it
lacks
oversight.
O
O
F
Yeah
that
so
those
are
mr
chair
counselor
bill
koppler.
Those
numbers
are
to
to
actuals,
but
as
as
I
understood
it
and
the
way
I
read
it
is
we
still
have
that
that
position,
and
I
will
do
the
justification,
form
and
post
for
that
and
also
take
your
advice
of
if
that
fulfillment
is
going
to
take
a
while,
then
we
should
upgrade
somebody
to
that
position.
That's
that's
good
good
good
direction.
Thank
you.
O
AB
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
john
for
the
update
in
regards
to
the
ice
rink.
I
know,
as
the
other
my
colleagues
have
said,
we've
we've
all
been
reached
out
numerous
times
by
constituents
regarding
their
concerns
about
the
ice
rink
and,
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
it
is
here
with
us
for
the
foreseeable
future.
AB
F
Sure
sure,
so,
that's
that's
total
cost,
that's
expense.
The
revenues
roughly
and
brad
can
keep
me
honest
is
this
is
about
164
000
dollars.
I
I'll
have
to
double
check
that
number,
but
that's
the
last
number
that
I
saw,
and
so
we
we
work
at
a
loss
and
again
I
don't
know
how
that
rumor
got
out
there
other
than
you
know,
probably
somebody
that
was
in
the
room,
but
you
know
which
is
which
is
fine.
F
You
know
I,
I
think
that
our
our
purpose,
you
know
the
team's
purpose,
really
is
to
look
and
see
how
we
can
be
as
efficient
as
possible.
That's
working
with
each
other
to
generate
ideas
to
generate
ways
to
be
more
effective
to
to
be
more
efficient
and
to
see
if
there's
ways
that
we
can
generate
generate
more
revenue
and
obviously
we
also
look
at
ideas
from
constituents.
F
AB
F
As
you
would
say,
we
were
looking
when
we
were
discussing
different
sections
throughout
you
know
we
talked
about,
we
talked
about
golf,
we
talked
about
aquatics,
about
leagues
and,
and
so
you
know
we
were
looking
at
you
know,
which
ones
could
we
make
more
efficient
and
what
what
can
we
do?
So
that's
what
we're
going
to
continue
to
do.
You
know
this.
You
know
this.
F
This
budget
is
a
process
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
where
we
can
optimize
and
become
more
efficient,
so
that
you
know
we
are
at
least
you
know
closer
to,
or
you
know,
just
just
being
more
efficient.
I
I
think
that's
really
what
we
want
to
look
at
it's
just.
How
can
we
come
become
more
efficient
and
provide
a
good
quality
service
for
our
patrons
or
residents.
AB
A
AB
E
Yeah,
mr
chair,
thank
you.
I
don't
want
to
belabor
this,
but
it
does
concern
me
and
I
I
guess
I'd
like
us
to
think
about
our
philosophy.
With
regard
to
our
recreation
facilities,
I
mean.
Is
it
our
philosophy
that
all
of
these
things
stand
on
their
own,
that
you
know
the
pool
stands
separate
from
the
ice.
Rink
stand
separate
from
the
workout
room
and
I
mean,
or
or
or
aren't
rec
centers
like
rec
centers
right
and
we
should
be
looking
at
them
as
a
whole
enterprise
that
provide
lots
of
different
activities.
E
I
it
concerns
me
a
little
bit
that
we
in
this
in
the
emails
we
seem
to
be
targeting.
I
don't
know
one
one
activity
and
you
know
yeah
and
to
counselor
via
rael's.
I
don't
like
the
idea
that
we're
pitting
one
recreation
group
against
another
pit
soccer
against
ice
skaters.
I
just
don't
think
that
that's
productive
and
you
know
I
I
don't
know
what
our
philosophy
is.
I
don't
like
it
being
isolated
and
I
think
if
it's
a
rec
center,
it's
multi-purpose
and
it's
sort
of
all
in
there
together.
E
Y
E
A
A
Okay,
let's
let's
go
ahead
and
let's
just
let's
stop,
then,
and
so
that
we
have
the
entire
committee
available
tomorrow.
So
with
that,
then
we
will
pick
up
tomorrow
with
tourism
and
then
get
back
into
the
items
that
were
scheduled
for
tomorrow.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
the
staff
and
the
committee
and
the
members
of
the
council.
We
are
adjourned.
Mr.
F
Chair,
I'm
sorry
just
real
quick,
just
to
comment
to
respond
to
counselor
motorwork
again,
the
intent
was
never
to
pet
groups
against
each
other.
We
were
just
looking
at
ways
to
report
and
be
efficient
and
look
at
numbers
to
see
what's
being
used
the
most.
So
I
really
don't
know
how
that
messaging
get
out
there.
But
if
that
message
you
know
did
come
out
across
that
way.
I
apologize
it.
That
was
not
the
intent.
Intent
was
to
to
make
best
use
of
taxpayer
money.