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A
All
right
at
103.,
it
looks
like
we
are,
live
on
youtube
and
I
will
call
to
order
the
april
21st
meeting
of
the
finance
committee.
It
is
our
three
four
five
six
day
of
budget
hearings
and
if
we
could
get
a
roll
call,
please
sure
counselor.
A
All
right
approval
of
the
agenda:
we
have
the
community
health
and
safety
department
and
their
various
directors
and
personnel
with
us,
and
that
is
pretty
much
our
agenda
today.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
approve
move
to
approve?
Second,
we
have
motion
a
second
to
approve
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting.
Can
we
get
a
roll
call?
Please.
C
A
Thank
you
all
right.
I
just
want
to
make
a
public
apology
to
councilwoman
villarreal.
A
From
yesterday's
meeting,
I
in
my
haste,
to
give
the
chairwoman
of
the
quality
of
life
committee
a
break
between
the
end
of
our
budget
hearing
and
the
beginning
of
the
quality
of
life
committee.
A
I
overlooked
the
fact
that
councilwoman
varel
was
also
on
that
committee
and
a
break
was
probably
a
good
thing
for
her
as
well,
and
I
know
we
have
all
these
budget
meetings
are
a
big
overlay
on
our
regular,
the
regular
demands
of
our
jobs,
and
these
things
are
the
regular
meetings
that
we
are
doing
do
not
subside.
A
While
we
take
on
these
meetings-
and
so
I
think
we
have
all
had
meetings
that
have
run
back
to
back
either
at
the
beginning
of
these
budget
hearings
or
after
they
have
finished,
and
it
is
a
considerable
effort
that
we
are
all
making,
and
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
we're
all
balancing
all
the
demands
that
are
placed
on
us
in
getting
this
budget
through
so
anyway,
with
that
we
will
go
on
to
our
first
and
only
department.
A
For
the
day
we
have
with
us
director,
ochoa
and
the
community
health
and
safety
department
and
its
divisions,
and
I
don't
know
director
mccoy
if
you
wanted
to
say
anything
before
we
launch
into
this
budget
or
whether
we
just
turn
it
right
over
to.
E
E
We're
made
up
of
community
services
of
recreation,
emerging
emergency
management
and
safety,
our
fire
department
and
our
police
department.
The
mission
of
our
department
really
has
to
do
with
the
idea
that
a
healthy
community
is
a
safe
community.
We
look
to
a
holistic
response
to
public
safety
and
innovative
response
that
really
allows
us
to
target
resources
and
programs
along
a
continuum
of
prevention
to
intervention.
E
I
think
if
the
community,
health
and
safety
department
does
its
job
right
in
10
years,
our
police
department,
and
hopefully
even
our
fire
department,
will
be
a
lot
less
busy
than
they
are
right.
Now
it's
been
a
great
group
to
lead,
and
it's
interesting
to
note
that
if
you
look
at
our
overall
budget,
which
is
quite
large
about
a
third
of
it
is,
is
dedicated
to
police,
about
a
third
to
fire
and
about
a
third
to
community
health
and
safety
and
risk
give
or
take.
E
And
I
think
that's
indicative
of
the
fact
that
obviously,
cities
are
responsible
for
public
safety
100.
We
have
other
funding
sources
from
state
and
other
local
partners
on
social
services
and
community
services,
which
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
grow
what
we
are
looking
to
invest
in
in
all
of
those
services.
E
Really,
if
we
think
about
what
the
community's
health
and
safety
department
is,
it's
made
up
of
520
very,
very
dedicated
public
servants
who
are
doing
everything
from
transporting
and
feeding
our
seniors,
developing
great
programming
for
lifelong
education
in
our
libraries
running
our
summer
and
after
school
program.
So
all
kids
have
access
to
our
great
facilities
and
great
programming.
E
We
are
also,
of
course,
looking
at
our
covid
response
and
our
emergency
management
department
and
other
emergency
responses
and
our
safety
of
all
same
department
and
then
last
but
very
much,
not
least,
we
have
a
number
of
people
who
have
chosen
a
career
in
public
safety
who
clock
in
every
day
pretty
much
prepared
to
make
the
ultimate
sacrifice,
and
so
with
that
I
would
like
to
introduce
my
incredible
team.
I
have
my
business
operations
manager,
emanuel
sanchez,
who
has
helped
us
tremendously,
pull
together
as
of
department.
E
On
the
administrative
end,
we
have
our
community
services
director,
maria
sanchez
tucker,
our
emergency
management
and
safety
director,
brian
williams,
our
fire
chief
ryan
moya
and
our
police
chief,
paul
joy,
and
with
that
I
think
we
can
launch
into
presentations
on
the
individual
budgets.
Madam
chair,
if
that
works
for
you,
I
do
just
want
to
call
out
before
we
begin,
I
think
mary
and
team
will
pull
up
our
slide.
Deck
is
not
correct.
E
The
committee
can
see
that,
when
fully
funded
in
fiscal
year,
23
we'll
have
657
positions
in
this
large
department.
Right
now
we
have
about
a
20
vacancy
rate
similar
to
the
rest
of
the
city
and
we'll
just
wanting
to
pull
out
and
we'll
talk
about
each
of
these
that,
in
terms
of
their
individual
budgets,
we're
very
grateful
for
the
seven
new
ftes
that
we're
getting
in
fiscal
year.
23
that's
going
to
help
us
serve
the
community
that
much
better
with
that.
We'll
turn
it
over
to
maria
sanchez
tucker.
F
Thank
you
director,
ochoa
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
pleased
to
present
an
overview
of
the
community
services
fy
23
budget.
I'd
also
like
to
introduce
our
division
directors
that
are
here
today,
director
of
senior
services,
gino
rinaldi
and
director
of
youth
and
family
services,
julie,
sanchez,
I'm
still
currently
serving
as
the
library
division
director,
but
we
just
received
our
loe
ful
of
wonderful
candidates,
and
hopefully
we
will
be
able
to
move
forward
with
that
hiring
process
to
fill
the
library
director
position.
F
I
know
you
all
are
aware
of
the
important
work
of
the
community
services
department
and
how
our
department
contributes
to
a
thriving
community,
improving
our
quality
of
life
and
providing
the
vital
services
and
resources
to
all,
especially
to
those
who
need
these
services
and
resources
the
most
and
this
budget.
This
proposed
budget
reflects
two
new
staff
positions,
and
this
will
ensure
that
we
have
the
leadership
and
oversight
to
ensure
that
our
programs
are
successful.
We're
currently
working
to
fill
our
vacant
positions
that
you
can
see
listed
here
next
slide.
F
These
are
a
few
highlights
of
the
proposed
23
budget.
It's
notable
that
the
community
services
budget
will
see
a
3.7
million
dollar
increase
over
pre-pandemic
levels
of
2019,
and
we
also
have
an
increase
in
libraries
for
security
services.
F
Also
in
next
week's
arpa
hearings
will
reflect
proposed
additional
increases
for
the
youth
and
family
services
division,
and
so
you
can
see
all
of
the
wonderful
support
for
the
programs
and
services
of
this
department
reflected
in
this
budget
next
slide,
and
I
just
like
to
also
echo
director
ochoa's
comments
about
our
staff.
F
So
I
would
just
like
to
ask
director
ochoa
if
she
would
like
to
highlight
anything
from
this
community
services
admin
budget.
E
Thank
you,
maria.
We
really
are
seeing,
obviously
an
increase
in
our
salaries,
wages
and
benefits
on
for
our
non-union.
Eight
percent
raises
reflected
here
we're
also
pretty
much
steady
state
with
this
budget.
As
dr
sanchez
tucker
mentioned,
we
will
be
coming
to
you
next
week
and
this
budget
will
see
if
you
approve
it,
a
significant
increase
community
programs
and
services
through
the
arpa
funding.
E
A
Absolutely
so
if
we
could
stop
sharing
the
screen
just
so,
we
can
see
each
other
and
we
can
always
go
back
if
we
need
to
and
as
as
the
committee
needs
to.
So
if
there
are
questions
for
the
committee
at
this
moment-
and
we
are
just
so
the
committee
knows
we
are
going
to
approve
each
division
individually
rather
than
one
vote
on
the
whole
department.
Councilwoman
cassie.
G
Thank
you
so
much
madam
chair,
and
thank
you,
maria
and
kyra
for
being
here.
I
think
I
mostly
have
have
a
comment,
which
is
that
I'm
really
excited
to
see
another
program
manager
in
youth
and
family
services.
Division
julie
there
you
are
julie,
works
incredibly
hard
and
I
am
very
excited
to
see
her
getting
some
more
support.
I
know
I
know
our
a
lot
of
our
team
works
very
hard.
G
All
of
our
team
works
very
hard,
but
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
going
on
with
youth
and
family
services,
so
I
was
really
happy
to
see
that
as
well
as
the
529
000
for
more
library
materials,
that
has
been
a
really
big
one
that
I've
heard
from
constituents.
So
thank
you
for
putting
that
one
in
as
well.
That's
going
to
be
huge.
I
look
forward
to
not
having
to
work
two
jobs
maria,
so
hopefully
you
can
get
somebody
hired
soon.
G
I
did
have
a
couple
questions,
so
I
do
see
a
lot
for
contractual
services
at
the
library
and
I
was
hoping
you
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
those.
I
know
that
those
are
some
programs
that
I'd
like
to
hear
what's
being
highlighted
there.
F
So
the
increase
in
the
contractual
services
really
reflects
the
security
service
contract.
That's
mainly
where
that
goes.
It
also
reflects
some
services
to
oversee
our
laptop
and
hotspot
lending
program
as
well.
G
Wonderful,
while
we're
here
real,
fast
how's
that
program
been
going,
I
know
that
that
was
really
exciting
when
we
launched
it.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
councillor
cassette.
The
program
is
going
great.
We
have
a
lot
of
use
of
our
laptops
and
especially
our
hotspots
being
able
to
take
your
wi-fi
home
after
you
leave.
The
library
has
really
been
wonderful
for
many
people
who
need
to
work
on
job
applications
and
other
projects,
and
so
we
welcome
you
spreading
the
word
more
about
the
availability
of
that
at
the
libraries,
but
we
are
promoting
it
and
it's
it's
very
successful.
G
Wonderful,
thank
you
and
then.
Lastly,
talking
about
the
vacant
positions,
looking
at
a
20
vacancy
rate
and
25
vacant
positions
here,
can
I
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
kind
of
this,
a
similar
question
that
I've
been
asking
throughout
a
lot
of
the
hearings.
What
are
we
seeing
in
terms
of
challenges
for
hiring?
Are
there
specific
positions
that
you
are
finding
to
be
more
challenging
to
hire
and
any
supposition
as
to
why
that
is
occurring?
I'd
like
to
hear
that
as.
F
Well,
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
counselor
cassette
reflected
in
the
community
services.
We
have
12
vacancies
in
the
library
and
that's
just
been
something
that
we
have
been
working
to
fill
both
library,
technicians
and
librarian
positions.
We
have
done
a
tremendous
job
in
filling
several
of
those
positions
and
so
we're
continuing
to
work
and
advertise.
F
The
librarian
position
is
a
professional
position
and
sometimes
finding
candidates
outside
of
the
community
can
be
difficult
and
so
we're
working
on
reaching
out
and
filling
those
positions
and
hopefully
providing
some
career
growth
in
in
the
libraries
and
then
I
think
there
are
several
vacancies
in
the
senior
services
division
as
well
and
we're
working
on
filling
those.
I
don't
know
if
director
rinaldi
would
like
to
speak
to
anything
about
any
positions,
he's
having
more
difficult
time,
recruiting
and
hiring.
H
Thank
you,
maria
madam
chair
councillor,
cassette
scientist,
the
the
main
problem
we're
having
is
okay
cassette,
I'm
sorry,
that's
okay
and
I.
H
I
H
We
we
seem
to
be
having
difficulty
with
the
transit
operators.
Okay,
the
drivers,
it
just
seems
like
we're
getting
one,
maybe
two
applicants
and
it's
it's.
It's
become
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge,
but
it
seems
like,
as
we
get
you
know
further
along
and
all
of
this,
there
seems
to
be
more
more
more
folks
applying,
but
that's
the
main
area,
the
others.
It's
just
been
turned
turn
over.
H
G
H
Madame
chair
councillor
cassette,
yes,
that's
that's!
That
seems
to
be
somewhat
of
an
issue,
and
you
know,
and
that
I
mean
we
run
into
the
same
thing
plus
we'll
get
folks
that
don't
apply
because
they
think
it's
with
public
transit,
okay,
and
so
we
we've
been
working
with
hr
to
differentiate
that
there
will
make
some
differentiation
that
that
is
for
seniors.
It's
not
for
public
transit,
okay,
so
interesting.
G
All
right,
thank
you.
So
much,
I
think.
That's
that's
helpful
for
us
to
hear,
and
maybe
something
for
us
to
think
about
in
terms
of
recruitment
across
departments-
is
that
if
we
are
finding
that
we
need
similar,
as
we
did
with
lifeguards,
that
we
needed
people
that
were
licensed
or
certified,
there's
the
word
and
able
to
provide
certification
through
the
city,
maybe
something
that
we
can
explore.
G
John
tapping
you
over
there,
mr
blair
for
commercial
driver's
licenses,
since
this
seems
to
be
a
need
throughout
different
departments.
So
thank
you
for
expanding
on
that
a
little
bit
more.
I
think
that's
something
interesting
for
us
to
look
at
as
a
city.
I
do
not
have
any
further
questions.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
work.
G
I
have
said
it
multiple
times,
but
throughout
the
last
couple
years,
but
you
know,
community
services
was
one
of
those
that
really
rose
to
the
challenge
for
the
pandemic
and
my
goodness,
were
there
so
many
challenges,
and
so
I
really
want
to
recognize
the
work
of
the
community
services
department
and
all
your
teams.
So
thank
you
all.
A
Thank
you
counselor.
We
lost
councilwoman
villarreal
who's
having
computer
issues.
I
want
to
give
her
just
a
minute
see
if
she
can
rejoin.
A
So
we'll
wait
just
a
minute
see
if
she
can
rejoin
us
and
if
whoever
handles
the
technology
can
keep
an
eye
out
for
her
that'd
be
great.
A
A
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
director,
tucker,
you
talked
about
contractual
services
and
you
mentioned
security,
but
the
bullet
point
above
that
looks
at
556
000
in
contractual
services
in
the
administrative
division.
Can
you
speak
to
those.
F
Yes,
director
ocho,
would
you
bind.
M
E
That
contractual
amount
is
is
actually
the
administrative
amount
for
community
health
and
safety
as
a
whole,
because
the
budget
has
not
been
created
to
yet
we
will
be
bringing
forward
legislation
so
that
we
can
do
that
soon,
where
we
have
a
community
health
and
safety
admin
org.
E
We
don't
have
that
yet,
but
essentially
that
has
been
contractual
services
that
I
have
used
for
a
range
of
things,
including
encampment,
cleanup,
consulting
services
for
the
community,
health
and
safety
task
force
and
contractual
services
related
to
that
other
consulting
services
and
there's
a
portion
of
that
money.
E
If
you
cast
your
mind
a
couple
years
ago
to
when
the
department
was
created,
it
was
created
with
a
sort
of
750
000
influx
into
that
line
item,
and
we
used
that
250
000
to
transfer
to
fire
for
the
aru
and
we're
left
with
roughly
that
500
and
plus
excuse
me
200
000
and
we're
left
with
500
plus.
So
what
we're
looking
to
do
with
that
in
the
next
fiscal
year
is
continue
to
support
the
recommendations
of
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force.
L
Thank
you
for
that.
So,
in
the
meeting
that
we
had
with
the
mayor,
I
think
that
we
had
identified
that
there
was
a
certain
amount
of
funding
for
the
task
force,
community
health
and
safety
task
force
for
the
remainder
of
this
fiscal
year
and
that
we
would
probably
need
an
additional
50
or
60
000
for
next
fiscal
year.
Is
that
where
this
money's
at.
L
Okay,
so
we
have
enough
in
that
556
thousand
three
hundred
complete
the
community
engagement
process,
as
well
as
the
contract
with
our
the
services
that
we
have
for
a
con
contracted
person
to
help
us
out
with
the
task
force.
That's
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
Madam.
E
Chair
council
rivera
yes
for
a
portion
of
the
year,
we
also
are
very
excited
with
that
new
youth,
youth
and
family
services
program
manager
that
we
will
have
a
staff
person
in
that
in
that
hire
to
help
support
the
work
of
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force.
So
that's
going
to
be
quite
helpful.
I
know
as
we
can
hardwire
you
know
some
of
the
needs.
The
community
health
and
safety
task
force
has
had
for
better
staff
support.
L
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
make
perfectly
clear,
because
it's
not
specifically
spelled
out
so
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
L
I
think
that's
it
for
now.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
K
Thank
you,
counselor
back
to
you,
council,
woman,
via
rail.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
to
all
the
staff
and
directors
that
are
part
of
the
community
health
and
safety
department
and
your
presentations
and
all
the
work
you
did
to
put
your
budgets
and
the
preparation
is
pretty
intense.
So
I
appreciate
all
that
you
do
and
also
how
all
of
you
affect,
and
also
contribute
to
our
health
and
well-being
of
the
residents
of
the
city
of
san
pepe.
So
thank
you
so
much.
K
I
think
my
colleagues
answered
or
asked
some
of
the
questions
I
was
I
had
except
I
had
a
couple.
Let's
see.
K
A
E
K
You
have
something
else
before
we
move
on.
No,
I
think
I
got
everything
I
was
happy
to
hear
about
the
new
program
manager
and
that
they'll
be
assisting
with
the
task
force
and
I'm
assuming
they'll
also
be
assisting
with
staffing.
The
other
committees
that
we
have,
which
is
a
lot
of
work,
so
just
see
a
yes
great,
okay
and
the
other
questions
I
have
for
the
the
other
divisions.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
E
Back
to
you,
director,
ochoa,
thank
you.
I
think
we
covered
the
admin
budget
previously
and
then
there's
as
maria
mentioned.
This
is
our
library
budget.
I
think
the
question
was
asked
and
answered
on
the
contractuals.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
additional
questions
on
the
library
budget,
it's
like
not.
Maybe
we
can
move
on
to
the
next
one,
which
is
our
seniors.
We've
called
out
the
increases
for
the
food
and
also
for
the
new
transportation
program
manager.
E
I
I
do.
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
say
what
an
incredible
seniors
program
we
have.
We
are
as
director
renaldi
will
tell
you
and
we're
looking
at
a
30
increase
in
our
senior
citizen
population
by
the
year
2030.
So
the
fact
that
we
have
these
really
wonderful
programs
established
is
really
important.
We
need
supervision
in
each
of
our
units
that
prevents
obviously
safety
issues,
but
it
also
allows
us
to
deliver
better
high
quality
services
to
the
seniors.
E
So
please
look
for
how
to
continue
to
support
the
seniors
budget
going
forward
part
of
what
getting
a
program
manager
does
for
us
in
this
division.
Is
it
allows
director
renaldi
really
to
not
be
in
the
weeds
with
managing
sections,
but
to
really
get
into
the
long-term
planning
that
we
must
do
to
face
the
reality
of
an
increased
30?
I
think
it's
actually.
E
A
Okay,
then
we
can.
I
think
we
can
stop
sharing
that
screen,
because
we
do
have
that
in
our
budget
books
and
on
the
presentation.
So
questions
from
the
committee
councilwoman
villarreal.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
director.
Where
are
you
director
sanchez
there
you
are
on
the
hollywood
square.
I
just
had
a
question
for
clarification
about
the
children
and
youth
grants
and
it
says
1.6
million.
So
is
this
an
additional
amount
designated
along
with
that
percentage
of
grt
required?
Is
this
like
an
additional
amount
you're
allocating
for
that.
O
So
madam
chair,
councillor
vrbo,
so
as
the
grt
has
increased
for
the
city,
the
children,
youth,
commission
and
actually
the
human
services
committee,
you
receive
a
small
percentage
of
that
increase,
and
so,
with
this
new
budget,
we've
actually
been
able
to
increase
our
amount
of
funding
for
both
of
those
committees.
O
And
so
what
we're
going
to
do
after
this
fiscal
year
is
go
back
to
the
commission
and
allocate
that
additional
funding
into
the
community
to
support
youth
programs,
because
we
did
have
a
dip
in
grt
with
covet
and
so
now
we're
able
to
recover-
and
you
know,
provide
more
grant
funding
to
support
youth
programs.
K
And
are
you
all
thinking
that
you'll
use
this
in
the
new
grand
cycle,
because
I'm
not
sure
where
you
all
are?
I
know
it's
a.
What
is
it
two
to
three
year
grant
cycle?
K
O
So,
madame
chair,
counselor
via
we
are
actually
on
a
rotating
cycle
between
the
two
and
we
just
finished
as
of
last
night.
Our
allocation
of
human
services
grant
funding
and
a
press
release
will
be
following
shortly
as
well
as
the
contracts
through
the
routing
process.
The
children
and
youth
commission
will
actually
be
doing
their
next
round
of
ground
funding
next
fiscal
year.
O
K
K
Will
you
be
able
to
fold
that
into?
I
guess
you
won't
because
you
just
finished
the
rent,
making
decisions.
O
Counselor
via
real,
we
work
really
closely
with
finance
and
their
team,
so
we,
when
we
received
our
budget
allocation
amounts
or
the
I
guess,
proposed
new
funding.
When
we
made
our
decisions
this
last
round,
we
actually
were
able
to
include
that
additional
grt.
So,
for
the
first
time
I
want
to
say
in
the
human
services
committee
20
years
we
actually
awarded
1.2
million
dollars,
which
is
the
absolute
highest
we've
ever
awarded
the
committee.
O
K
K
Right
then,
one
other
question
was
with
the
cyfd
grant
fund
services
for
juvenile
juvenile
justice
program,
the
85
000,
that's
new
monies
added
to
what
had
already
been
allocated.
So
remember.
We
made
some
allocation
recently
and
then
I
don't
know
if
you
could
explain,
does
that
come
from
cyfd
funds.
O
O
So
we
did
do
an
amendment
to
the
cyfd
contract
and
I
believe
that's
what
you're
referring
to
is
we
created
a
new
community
restorative
justice
program?
That's.
K
What
I'm
thinking?
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
clarity,
great
that's
great,
to
hear
more
funding
that
we'll
go
out
for
all
right.
That's
all!
I
have
thank
you
for
your
answers.
G
Councillor
cassette,
thank
you,
madam
chair
julie.
I
just
have
one
one
question
about
my
ab:
funding
prior
to
the
pandemic,
mayab
had
had
funding,
allocated
it
to
do
participatory
budgeting.
O
So
madame
chair,
counselor
cassettes,
you
know
that's
a
really
great
question.
There
is,
and
maybe
I
should
defer
this
question
to
director
mccoy
I'll,
do
that.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselor
kassad.
This
is
one
of
the
initiatives
that
we
were
very
excited
about.
Prior
to
the
pandemic.
I
remember
presenting
in
front
of
miam
at
that
time.
Pre-Pandemic
the
funds
were
not
utilized
and
in
the
middle
of
the
pandemic
they
were
reverted
into
the
capital
projects
fund.
D
That
being
said,
we
are
looking
forward
as
soon
as
we
wrap
up
our
operating
budget
to
jump
into
a
rigorous
rounds
in
coordination
with
director,
wheeler
and
all
of
our
colleagues,
all
of
the
other
directors,
the
folks
that
you
see
on
this
screen
and
the
others
that
have
presented
in
front
of
you
to
start
reviewing
and
prioritizing
the
capital
projects.
We've
talked
a
little
bit.
D
I
believe
yesterday
about
priorities
and
how
they're
set
forward
and
all
of
the
different
funding
sources
that
are
available
for
the
capital
projects,
deferred
maintenance,
new
projects
that
new
buildings
that
we
would
have
coming
online.
So
that
being
said,
that
any
additional
funding
for
rounds
of
participatory
budgeting
would
be
coming
forthcoming.
G
Okay,
wonderful,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
it
is
still
on
everybody's
radar.
You
know
I
do
not
chair
mayab
or
I'm
no
longer
the
council
liaison,
not
the
chair
for
it
for
maya
and
that
that
role
has
been
passed
over
to
my
wonderful
district,
four
colleague
counselor
chavez,
but
I
I
do
still
want
to
really
advocate
for
that
funding
to
go
in
that
direction
when
we
are
discussing
that
budget.
So
thank
you
all
very
much.
A
Thank
you.
Let
me
before
I
go
back
to
councilwoman
villarreal.
I
wanted
to
stay
on
that
for
a
minute.
Was
it
always
capital
money?
It
wasn't
ever
general
fund.
D
Adam
chair,
a
counselor,
the
funding
source
was
general
fund,
however,
because
we
were
encouraging
the
use
to
one-time
projects
of
capital
that
are
capital
in
nature,
so
participatory
budgeting
part-tick.
Madam
chair,
particularly
the
first
rounds
of
participatory
budgeting.
Generally.
If
you
look
at
others
our
counterparts
in
other
cities,
their
first
rounds
have
been
with
a
capital
projects
in
nature,
I'm
familiar
with
the
city
of
boston,
a
youth
participatory
budgeting
program
that
was
started
there
during
my
tenure
and
the
initial
rounds
of
projects
were
capital
and
nature.
D
A
Okay,
because
I
I
thought
I
had
remembered
that
it
was
general
fund,
the
first
time
it
came
through,
so
I
I
also
just
want
to
lend
my
support
and
my
voice
to
this.
I
think
it's
very
important.
It's
a
it's
an
incredible
tool,
I
believe,
to
empower
youth
and
to
help
them
understand
that
they
have
a
real
stake
in
their
community
to
be
able
to
participate
in
where
dollars
are
spent
and
prioritize.
So
I
I
too
want
to
see
us
come
back
to
this.
A
I
know
we
had
to
step
away
during
the
pandemic
when
we
didn't
have
the
resources,
but
I
too
am
very
interested
in
this
program
and
the
fact
that
it's
coming
back
so
okay
councilwoman.
K
Vial,
thank
you,
madam
chairs.
I'm
following
up
on
the
my
app
question
two,
because
we
actually
initiated
that
with
the
help
of
finding
funding
through
director
mccoy's
assistance,
when
I
was
actually
the
liaison,
and
at
that
time
there
was
actually
interest,
not
just
capital
but
potentially
programmatic,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
put
that
forth,
if
there
is
a
potential
for
this,
the
youth
in
that
group
to
want
to
think
about
programmatic
and
or
they
have
other
ideas
related
to
programmatic
possibilities.
I
don't
want
to.
K
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
it's
coming
from
capital,
they're
not
prevented
from
using
that
funding.
For
that
reason
or
for
that
purpose,.
A
Sounds
like
it's
a
cat,
it's
capital
oriented
at
the
moment,
so
I
I
think
it
if
we
want
it
to
be
programmatic.
That
may
need
to
be
the
next
round
or
an
addition.
If
we
can
be
successful
with
this
first
piece
but
director
mccoy,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
to
that.
D
Madam
chair
counselor,
I
concur
with
what
the
chair
romero
just
said.
Thank
you.
We,
this
is
we're
very
excited
about
this
and
that
the
the
that
my
app
is
still
has
an
interest
in
this.
So
we
look
forward
to
future
conversations
on
this.
A
All
right
sounds
like
we
need
to
work
on
that
piece,
but
let's
see
if
we
can
make
the
first
round
successful
all
right.
Other
questions
from
the
committee,
if
not
back
to
you,
director,
ochoa.
E
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
very
much.
I
think
we
are.
We've
concluded
the
community
services
budget
presentation,
okay,.
A
So
wait.
Sorry,
I
believe
I
have.
I
need
to
take
a
vote
on
that
correct
director
mccoy.
So
we
need
a
motion
on
the
community
services
budget.
A
Second,
okay,
wait.
I
hope
whoever's
who
who
made
the
motion
there
was
that
you
council
cassette,
I
seconded
count
councilman
vander
al
all
right.
Sorry,
it
was
just
a
a
smash
of
voices
all
right,
so
we
have
the
motion
by
councilwoman
villarreal,
the
second
by
councillor
cassit,
to
approve
the
community
services
budget.
If
we
could
get
a
roll
call,
please.
A
G
A
E
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
as
you
know,
the
recreation
division
director
position
is
currently
vacant.
I
had
very
much
hope
to
be
able
to
announce
that
we
have
named
a
director.
We
made
an
offer,
but
unfortunately
that
offer
was
was
declined,
and
so
we
are
still
searching
for
our
recreation
division
director.
E
As
many
of
you
know,
gina
rinaldi
was
good
enough
to
serve
as
interim
rec
director
for
a
while
he's
no
longer
in
that
role,
but
has
a
lot
of
knowledge
of
the
division,
and
also
many
of
you
know
that
I
have
been
looking
at
and
we've
been
looking
at
as
a
team
coming
before
you
with
a
sort
of
a
second
level
reorg
where
we
actually
propose
putting
recreation
under
community
services.
In
many
ways
our
recreation
centers
are
community
centers.
E
In
fact,
you
know
the
hanover
java
center
is
a
community
center
in
maine
and
for
many
reasons,
there's
a
lot
of
synergies
there.
So
for
that
reason,
maria
sanchez
tucker,
I
have
some
very
good
sports
on
my
team
here-
has
been
also
helping
me
manage
the
recreation
department
in
hopes
that
that
will
in
fact
become
a
reality.
So,
as
you
know,
our
recreation
division
is
extremely
important
to
the
community.
E
We
hear
all
the
time
from
constituents
on
what
they
need
and
want
and
what
they
like
and
don't
don't
like
about
our
centers.
We
have,
of
course,
our
our
gemstone
our
cat,
our
chavis
center,
and
then
we
also
have
the
fitness
centers
salvador
perez
fort
marcy
and
in
the
summer
bicentennial
pool.
E
E
These
have
a
special
place
in
my
heart,
as
my
kids
went
through
these
programs,
and
it
enabled
me
to
work
while,
while
living
in
santa
fe,
these
programs
offer,
after
school
and
summer,
programming
and
coordination
with
the
schools
for
ages
6
to
17,
and
we
look
to
growing
them
in
the
future
when
we
add
our
teen
center
and
and
growing
all
the
offerings
that
we're
able
to
give
our
youth
and
really
when
we
think
about
the
prevention
to
intervention
continuum,
there's
a
there's,
nothing,
that's
more
important
than
the
activities
that
we're
able
to
provide
our
youth,
the
healthy
activities
that
build
their
protective
factors.
E
So
the
recreation
division
budget
is
before
you
and
in
the
total
amount
of
8.5
million,
we've
increased
our
investment
in
recreation
by
1.8
million,
which
is
great.
As
we
know,
many
of
our
our
services
and
our
positions
were
frozen
during
pandemic
on
the
recreation
staff
does
an
incredible
job
and
they
are
they're
so
happy.
They
were
among
the
first
people
to
be
very,
very
eager
to
open
up
to
the
public
and
we
see
that
they
will
be
getting
along
with
others
in
the
city.
E
Our
8
salary
increase
that
we
see
that
they've
had
to
do
a
lot
of
overtime
and
that
we
need
to
we've
increased
their
overtime
allocation
by
50,
to
52
000
or
by
52.
000.
Excuse
me,
and
then
we
also
have
an
increase
in
contractual
services
and
under
consulting.
E
We
know
that
that
team
has
supported
us
greatly
as
we
do
our
city-wide
events
and
this
position,
which
sort
of
was
in
a
limbo
when
parks
and
rec
were
divided,
had
never
really
needed
to
be
filled
and
glad
to
I
mean
we're,
never
glad
to
lose
a
position,
but
we're
glad
that
it's
going
to
good
use
in
constituent
services
next
slide.
Please.
E
E
So
first
we
have
our
admin
line
items.
E
We
see
some
increases
in
repairs
and
maintenance
again
that
continued
investment
and
making
sure
the
facilities
are
up
to
date
and
we
see
some
the
other
operating
costs,
which
can
you
know,
I
think,
the
water,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
comes
under
that
and
that's
part
of
that
increase
in
the
next
slide.
E
I
believe
onto
the
g
triple
c
budget,
again:
investment
in
making
sure
we're
up
just
up
to
date
with
our
repairs
and
our
maintenance.
E
We
see
some
added
supplies
on
that
budget
as
we're
able
to
offer
more
youth
programs.
You
know
those
that's
part
of
what
you
see
there
and
then
you
know
the
decreases
really
have
to
do
with
those
city-wide
risk
assessments
for
insurance,
and
that's
all
we
have
to
say
about
that.
One
next
slide.
D
That
one
chair
counselors,
these
are
the
slides
that
were
included
in
your
budget
book,
that's
summarized
by
a
department
category
and
a
division
and
fund
with
that.
There
are
two
main
divisions
in
recreation
admin
as
director
ochoa
reviewed
with
you,
as
well
as
the
chava
center
fund.
So
my
mistake.
E
I'm
sorry
director,
mccoy,
the
admin
budget
includes
all
of
these
non
g
triple
c
sites.
You
can
see
that
I'm
not
the
wreck
division
director,
but
any
and
my
team
is
too
nice
to
jump
in,
but
jump
in.
I
was
going
to
okay.
I
need
a
cane.
You
know
they
can
pull
me
off
the
zoom
with,
but
with
that
we'll
stand
for
questions
on
the
recreation
budget.
K
Councilwoman
biarrielle,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
you
I
heard
you
say
about
the
how
you're
structuring
it
differently,
so
does
that
mean?
In
the
meantime,
dr
sanchez
tucker
will
cover
that
role
for
the
rec
director
until
you
get
another
position
or
explain
that,
like
the
kind
of
time
frame
you're
looking
at
adam
chair.
E
Councilman
bial
thanks
for
the
question.
Yes,
until
we
have
a
rec
director
in
the
position,
maria
sanchez
tucker
will
cover
that
role
and
currently
staff
are
reporting
to
her
in
that
role.
She's
learning
more
than
she
probably
ever
wanted
to
know
about
recreation,
but
I
think
the
skill
set
of
managing
libraries
managing
senior
centers.
You
know
facilities
where
our
community
come
together
and
the
wonderful
programs
that
are
offered
within
them
there's
a
commonality
there,
and
so
I
know
that
staff
have
been
really
happy.
E
First
of
all
to
have
had
director
rinaldi,
you
know
stewarding
them
for
a
time
period
and
now
with
maria
again.
This
is
a
the
next
level
reorganization
that
will
need
to
have
ordinance
changes,
so
we'll
need
to
come
before
you
for
you
to
approve
all
of
that
in
the
future.
Right
now,
it's
it's
our
working,
our
working
definition
of
reorg
2.0
and
again,
we've
had
some
great
candidates
for
rec
director.
Unfortunately,
nobody
yet
filling
that
role.
E
I
think
it's
always
good
maria
can
kick
me
un
under
the
zoom,
but
it's
always
good
director
of
a
large
department
to
learn
the
operations
as
as
much
detail
as
possible
of
all
of
the
divisions
within
the
direct
within
the
operation,
and
marie
is
very
much
doing
that
jumping
in
with
great
ideas
around
innovative
solutions
to
something
I
imagine
we'll
get
asked
about
our
lifeguard
issue
among.
K
Many
other
things
well,
thank
you,
director,
sanchez
tucker,
for
taking
that
on
I'm
not
a
fan
of
always
doing
these
double
duties
as
and
neither
is
counselor
cassette
so
yeah.
We
hope
we
can
get
that
resolved
soon
and
was
there
any
for
the
folks
that
didn't
take
that
job?
Did
they
explain
or
say
any
further
about
why
they
decided
not
to
do
they
give
any
reasons,
madam
cheryl,
for
that
too,
maria.
F
You
know
we,
we
had
a
candidate
that
was
out
of
state
and
I
thank
you
counselor
via
real.
We
had
a
candidate
that
was
out
of
state
and
I
think
maybe
it
was
just
not
the
correct
opportunity
for
them
and
I
think
right
now,
what
we
need
to
do
is
repost
the
position.
F
Can
I
call
you
back
professional
organizations
and
really
do
a
recruitment
to
find
a
qualified
candidate?
That
and
really
you
know
if
you
know
candidates,
please
help
us
spread
the
word
about
that
position.
Opening
was
there
any
talk
about
the
pay
from
other
candidates?
F
Madam
chair
counselor,
via
real
the
pay,
is
probably
an
issue,
but
not
one
that
we
could
satisfy
with
our
current
budget.
Madam.
E
Chair
councilman,
via
we
did
have
a
candidate
for
him.
The
pay
was
a
was
a
factor.
I
think
you
know
similar
to
looking
at
what
the
reorg,
what
the
equivalent
positions
are
sort
of
within
the
state
and
even
nationally.
I
think
the
classification
and
comp
study
will
be
very
helpful.
Hopefully
won't
have
to
wait
that
long
to
get
a
wreck
director,
but
you
know
it's
no
longer
parks
and
rec,
so
it's
no
longer
the
enormous
department
it
was.
E
We
may
have
people
who
come
in
kind
of
expecting
that
level
of
salary,
but
it's
really
now
that
the
recreation
division
is
under
is
about
88
people,
it's
and
and
facilities
the
number
of
facilities
that
are
involved,
it's
really
more
on
par
with
what
senior
services
is
or
what
the
libraries
are,
and
so
we're
really
trying
to
see
it
as
kind
of
on
par
with
all
of
that,
in
coordination
with
director
cells
are
in
hr
and
so
for
the
second
candidate.
E
The
pay
was
not
an
issue,
it
was
a
significant
increase
from
what
she
was
getting,
but
I
think
it
was,
as
maria
said,
the
out
of
state.
You
know
the
big
move
and
she
wasn't
ultimately
ready
to
do
that,
so
we'll
keep
searching
and
finding
the
right
people
you
guys
know
of
anybody,
send
them
our
send
them
to
the
city
website
when
it'll
be
reposted
very
soon.
All.
E
E
We
did
have
some,
I
believe,
recreation
coordinators
that
were
in
what
what
gino,
I
think,
called
the
red
dungeon
of
unfundedness
last
year,
which
are
thankfully
now
funded
and
come
out
of
the
dungeon,
and
so
you
know
we
didn't
have
since
we
weren't
open
as
much
as
much
need
for
staff,
and
we
do
now
at
this
this
current
fiscal
year,
so
we're
we're
struggling
to
get
on
top
of
that.
But
yeah,
mostly
those
vacancies,
are
in
the
realm
of
the
natatorium,
not
front
desk.
Folks,
no.
K
E
K
Okay
and
then
the
other
question
was
the
overtime.
K
K
Thank
you
with
that.
E
Entailed
madam
chair
councilman
bierael
we're
seeing,
especially
as
we
have
to
high
demand,
for
example,
for
expanded
pool
hours,
but
we
don't
have
adequate
staff.
Our
staff
is
stepping
up
to
provide
additional
hours
as
they're
really
here
to
do,
but
we
need
to
do
it
via
overtime.
We
do
have
some
great
sort
of
solutions
in
the
works
around
our
lifeguard
conundrum.
E
E
Yes,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
looked
to
do
is
think
of
the
net,
the
bodies
of
water
that
we
have
to
manage
and
all
the
people
who
staff
them
as
essentially
one
one
section
of
the
division
and.
E
In
order
to
really
do
that
effectively
we're
working
with
hr
to
create
an
aquatics
facilities
and
program
manager
position
once
we
have
that
person,
that
person
will
do
scheduling
for
the
entire
recreation
universe,
and
so
people
won't
be
as
sort
of
stuck
in
one
facility.
For
one
thing,
all
of
the
ability
to
you
know:
troubleshoot
facilities
issues
will
be
held
centrally
in
that
way,
not
just
as
it
is
now
in
either
gtlc
or
the
other
facilities.
E
We
think
of
these,
even
though
g
triple
c
is
an
enterprise
organization,
it's
still
a
community
center
in
many
ways,
and
so
we
really
need
to
share
resources
between
pools.
That's
one
of
the
things
we're
doing,
and
in
fact
our
current
natatorium
manager,
matt
cottle,
is
on
a
temporary
salary
increase
to
try
out
that
role
and
see
if
it
can
make
a
difference
in
terms
of
how
we
schedule
and
we're
very
excited
about
that
and
thankful
to
him
for
agreeing
to
do
that
and
to
hr
for
working
with
us.
E
In
addition,
maria,
do
you
want
to
talk
about
the
trainee
position
as
well?
That
staff
has
helped
create.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
director,
ochoa,
you
know
we're
just
trying
new
strategies
to
to
think
of
ways
to
improve
the
situation.
We
have
to
try
innovative
things
and
one
was
to
establish
a
lifeguard
trainee
position
where
we
would
have
strong
swimmers
who
had
interest
in
becoming
a
lifeguard,
but
they
did
not
have
the
certification.
This
would
allow
them
to
come
in,
be
hired
by
the
city.
F
Go
through
that
process
train
and
go
through
the
certification
process,
while
being
trained
and
learning
about
the
pool
facilities,
giving
a
pathway
to
becoming
a
lifeguard,
and
so
this
is
a
pilot
project
to
see
how
it
will
work,
and
hopefully
it
will
help
us.
You
know,
recruit
more
lifeguards
in
the
future.
F
We
also
are
hoping
to
incorporate
more
swimming
lessons
so
that
we
can
start
working
with
children
and
younger
kids
that
can
be
trained
and
looking
forward
to
becoming
a
lifeguard
as
they
grow,
so
we're
trying
as
many
different
innovative
ways
to
to
handle
these
issues
that
we've
been
faced
with.
M
And
madam
chair,
I
see
mr
and
aldi
have
some.
H
Something
madame
chair,
the
the
other
thing
that
we
found
was
that
doing
certification,
training
for
a
community
offering
it
out
there
setting
that
up
is
is
probably
one
of
the
biggest
ways
that
many
of
the
other
pools
get
their
their
folks
and
and
us
too,
so
we're
going
to
be
doing
more
of
that
trying
to
schedule
trainings
get
people
lifeguard
certified
in
hopes
that
that
they'll
they'll
take
a
job
with
us.
E
And
madam
chair
counselors,
the
lifeguard
trainee
is
currently
advertised.
I
don't
know
if
we
should
use
budget
hearings
to
promote
positions,
but
if
anyone
out
there
has
a
young
one
or
any
of
any
person,
any
age
who's
interested
in
becoming
a
lifeguard,
it's
it's.
The
positions
are
open
and
you
don't
have
to
have
your
certification.
I
think
chief
joy
began
his
career
in
public
service,
a
lifeguard
so
just
know
it
can.
Take
you
far.
K
I
love
that
that's
a
good
recruitment
tool
thanks
for
that,
the
descriptions
of
the
plan
for
that
I
think
that
makes
sense,
and
especially
the
swimming
aspect
swimming
lessons-
is
a
good
pipeline
to
getting
lifeguards
all
right
great.
To
hear
that
the
other
question
was
just
if
you
could
just
elaborate
on
the
contractual
services
and
what
that
includes.
The
227
thousand.
E
Takes
a
village
to
run
the
rec
department
and
I'm
sure
there
are
people
in
the
rec
staff
listening
right
now
who
are
screaming
at
us
that
can't
be
hurt
because
they
know
the
answer
to
that
question.
So.
C
H
Those
contracts
for
maintenance
of
the
ice
arena
mechanical
and
as
well
as
some
of
the
other
types
of
mechanical
stuff
that
we
have
those
are
primary,
the
larger
ones
and
as
well.
P
A
Thank
you,
counselor,
never
thought
about
starting
public
service
as
a
lifeguard,
I
I
was
a
lifeguard,
and
so
I
guess
chief
joy
and
I
both
started
that
way
and
now
look
where
we
are
and
if
you
ever
wanna
come
back
and
share
to
them.
A
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Are
we
back
to
pre-pandemic
services,
director
ochoa.
E
Madam
chair
council
rivera,
we
are
not,
you
know,
our
staffing
challenges
do
not
allow
us
to
be
open
as
many
hours
as
we
would
like
to
be
opened,
and
that's
just
the
sad
fact.
We're
hr
has
been
fabulous
working
with
us
on
rapid
hire
events,
and
we
continue
to
come
at
it
from
all
angles,
both
with
pools
and
everything
else,
but
no,
unfortunately,
we
haven't.
We
haven't
bounced
back
quite
yet.
L
All
right-
and
I
saw
something
recently-
I
don't
remember
where,
but
it
talked
about
a
discount
on
memberships
at
gcc-
is
this
for
just
gcc
or
is
this
for
all
the
rec
centers,
including
fort
marcy
and
cell
cell
p,.
F
It
is
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
council
rebeta.
It
is
for
all
of
the
rec
centers.
We
we,
the
other
two
locations,
are
marketing
to
their
users
as
well,
so
it
will
be
available
to
all
all.
H
H
If
we
shut
down
fort
marcy
this
summer,
due
to
the
roof
roof
apparel
in
the
natatorium
which
we're
going
to
have
to,
then
that
would
mean
that
the
users
at
fort
marcy
could
use
technically
go
over
to
gcc
and
use
the
services
over
gcc
while
that
repair,
but
once
all
facilities
are
open,
then
the
the
the
the
answer
is
that
they
would
only
be
using
it
at
their
facility
like
gcc
would
be
gcc.
South
p
would
be
selfie
all
right.
L
E
Chair
council
rivera,
I
think,
that's
a
really
interesting
thing
to
explore
and
I
think
we'd
have
to
work
on
that
with
our
city
attorney
and
our
finance
department
to
see
if
that
could
be
a
source
of
revenue
for
the
the
recreation
division
that
we've
explored
that
to
date.
Okay,
so
we're
not
currently
doing
that.
E
L
Yeah,
I
was
surprised
to
hear
about
it
myself,
so
maybe
maybe
something
to
look
at
to
increase
the
revenue
since
it
still
is
especially
gcc
still
is
an
enterprise
fund.
L
E
Counselor
rivera
in
coordinating
with
public
works,
no,
we
will
not
be
able
to
open
on
memorial
day.
My
understanding
from
director
wheeler
is
that
the
new
target
is
father's
day
june
17th,
I
believe,
or
so,
and
that
has
to
do
with
supply
chain
issues
that
were
really
unforeseeable
in
the
planning.
Not
so
much.
You
know
the
contractors
work
was
on
schedule.
I
believe
it's
actually
the
cement.
They
couldn't
get
the
cement
in
time
to
dry
by
memorial
day.
E
So
they'd
have
to
push
it
up
a
couple
more
weeks,
okay,
but
once
we
do
that,
as
director
renaldi
said,
we
will
have
adequate
staffing
for
opening
pool
this
summer,
and
that
is
really
because
we
have
to
close
fort
marcy
to
do
a
roof
repair,
and
so
the
staff,
the
lifeguard
staff
from
there
will
staff
the
bicentennial.
E
L
Are
temps
temp
positions
like
lifeguards?
Are
they
eligible
for
the
hiring
incentive.
L
L
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
way
to
get
them
in
they're
only
here
for
three,
maybe
three
and
a
half
months,
and
then
they
go
back
to
school
or
go
back
to
whatever
they're
doing,
but
maybe
something
worth
exploring
just
a
question
I
had,
as
we
were
talking
about
lifeguards
miss
mccoy
gcc
is
still
enterprise
funded.
How
much
is
the
city
still
subsidizing
gcc
on
an
annual
basis,
more
or
less.
D
Madam
chair
counselor
rivera.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
It's
a
great
question.
G-Triple-C
is
still
an
enterprise
fund
and
they
are
subsidized
by
the
general
fund.
The
largest
subsidy
that
we
did
have
in
place
was,
for
the
current
fiscal
year,
a
transfer
of
other
funds
to
the
tune
of
1.6
million
in
the
current
fiscal
year
in
fy
23
that
subsidy,
the
subsidy
into
recreation,
is
about
six
hundred
thousand
a
little
over
six
hundred
thousand.
L
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
director,
tucker
or
rinaldi
or
director
ochoa,
but
the
fixes
and
improvements
that
we
made
to
the
roof
and
the
dehumidifiers
that
gcc
have
they
worked.
Have
they
do?
We
still
have
leaks,
dripping
onto
the
basketball
courts
and
into
the
gym
or
or
have
those
fixes
done,
what
we
expected
them
to
do?
L
H
Madam
chairman
council,
rivera
at
the
fort
marcy
center,
where
there
was
significant
roof
issues
we
have
had
the
contractor
come
in
and
they've
repaired,
the
we
did
the
roof
actually
over
the
gymnasium
and
the
fitness
area,
and
that's
working.
H
H
Then
we
get
the
contracts
to
go
back
up
and
we've
done
that
once
already
at
the
gcc
they've
been
working
on
like
the
hvac
systems
and
and
the
dehumidifier
systems,
and
and
that's
that's
working
and
and
they
do
have
sometimes
some
issues
and
public
works
has
has
been
great
in
getting
bnd
over
there
to
repair
them
as
quickly
or
diagnose
it,
and
and
do
what
needs
to
be
done
and
that's
the
nature
of
facilities.
H
I
mean
there's
and-
and
these
are
especially
the
gcc-
it's
a
massive,
as
you
know,
a
massive
facility
and
it's
a
contradiction
in
in
environments
and
and
those
types
of
contradictions
cause
some
strange
things
to
happen
with
our
mechanical
stuff.
So,
but
what
we
are
getting
on
that
stuff,
the
the
efforts
when
I
sat
here
before
you
all
last
year,
the
the
effort
between
public
works
and
and
recreation
we're
trying
to
address
these.
H
These
issues
has
been
tremendous
and-
and
I
and
I
publicly
will-
will
thank
public
works
for
all
their
their
help
in
terms
of
assisting
us
to
get
what
needed
to
be
done.
So
I
I
feel
like
we're
in
a
better
place,
but
there
is
still
stuff
that
needs
needs
to
be
addressed
and
the
biggest
hallback
continues
to
be.
You
know
funding,
but
but
we're
getting
on
those
things,
the
grt
tax
or
the
bond
that's
going
to
be
coming
up
and
address
some
of
that
stuff,
and
it's
a
continual
process.
L
Yeah,
let
me
ask
my
question
a
little
a
different
way.
Last
time
I
was
there,
there
were
piles
of
towels
all
over
the
gym
floor,
all
over
the
running
track
and
in
the
weight
room
area.
Are
there
still
piles
of
towels
to
absorb
the
drips
from
the
from
the
roof.
H
Madam
chair
council,
rivera
you're
referring
to
the
gcc
right.
Yes,
just
so
we're,
as
far
as
I
know,
that's
not
happening
but
again
like
like
I
said
we,
we
have
issues
sometimes
that
that
that
there's
breakdowns
there's
problems
and
and
we
have
to
address
them
and
we
bring
in
the
contractors
as
well
as
public
works
and
and
we
we
get
on
it.
But
if
you
know
something
different
today,
please
let
me
know,
because
I
I
don't
know
of
any
problem
today.
F
E
Madam
chair
councillor,
rivera,
if
I
may
add
when
we
have
a
complex
manager
in
g
triple
c
that
becomes
funded
in
fiscal
year
23.
E
That
is
going
to
be
super
helpful
because
that'll
allow
us
to
have
more
eyes
and
ears
on
the
facilities
management
right
now,
jerry's,
showing
under
sharing
and
prayers
doing
double
duty
in
a
lot
of
ways,
and
so
getting
that
position
to
focus
help
focus
exclusively
on
keeping
eyes
on
the
facilities.
Coordinating
closely
with
public
works
planning
for
the
future
is
going
to
be
tremendously
helpful.
L
Yeah
great
thanks-
and
I
have
to
say
this,
but
just
thank
you.
I've
heard
from
constituents
recently
about
pretty
compliments
from
staff
at
gcc
and
the
names
that
were
specifically
mentioned
to
me
were
jeremy
pereia,
melissa,
bustos
and
anya
alleried.
So
you
know
great
job
to
them.
I'm
sure
there's
many
people
there
that
do
a
great
job
every
day
doing
what
they
do,
but
those
are
the
names
that
were
specifically
mentioned
to
me.
So
please
pass
along
my
appreciation
to
them
and
the
great
work
that
they've
been
doing.
E
A
Thank
you,
counselor
counselor,
lindell,.
Q
Thank
you
chair,
and
you
can
add
my
name
to
the
list
of
people
that
started
out
as
a
lifeguard.
So
it's
a
big
start.
Q
I
would
just
in
remind
remembering
a
few
years
back.
I
think
we
should
all
be
thankful
that
we're
not
having
to
approve
400
000
to
take
care
of
a
pigeon
situation
at
the
gcc.
So
that's
great
progress.
I
mean
that
that
was
a
very
painful
400
000
to
spend,
but
that's
what
we
did
so
moving
on
from
that.
Q
I
would
encourage
a
chat
about
a
reorg
and
recreation
that
we
look
to
people
that
have
a
professional
background
in
recreation.
Q
There
are
people
all
over
the
country
that
have
made
this
a
career
and
a
profession,
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
proper
to
hire
someone
that
does
have
that
educational
background
and
experience.
So
I
would
be
watching
that
and
encouraging
about
that.
I
appreciate
the
efforts
that
have
been
put
into
the
pools
and
the
lifeguards.
Q
Do
we
have
a
do
we
drug
test,
our
lifeguards.
Q
I
don't
know
if
that's
ever
a
discussion,
but
I
think
when
you're
dealing
with
17,
18,
19
and
20
year
olds,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
probably
don't
have
some
lifeguards,
that
they
go
somewhere
else
that
they
don't
get
drug
tested
and.
Q
So
I
would
ask
that
we
would
look
into
that.
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
G
Thank
you,
counselor
counselor
cassette.
Thank
you
so
much.
Madam
chair.
I
really
want
to
thank
the
rec
staff,
especially
with
the
creativity
around
lifeguards.
That
has
been
a
huge
issue
in
our
community
and
then
to
to
echo
what
council
rivera
said.
I
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
jeremy
putaia
and
I
was
very
impressed
with
the
work
that
he's
been
doing,
and
so
I
definitely
want
to
make
sure
that
my
gratitude
is
passed
along
to
him.
G
I
did
have
a
question
about
swim
lessons.
This
is
a
large
topic
of
conversation
within
the
young
young
kid
parents,
community
in
santa
fe,
and
I
was
at
fort
marcy
with
susie
another
wonderful,
wonderful
staff,
member
in
recreation
as
well
discussing
swim
lessons,
and
it
was
like
oh
yeah,
better
get
here
at
6
30
in
the
morning
to
sign
up
for
swim
lessons.
G
If
you
want
to
get
a
spot
one,
I
don't
know
what
parent
with
a
toddler
is
getting
anywhere
at
6
30
in
the
morning
I
mean
some
of
them
are
they're
very
impressive,
but
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
do
online
sign
ups
for
swim,
lessons
to
make
this
easier
for
parents
who
are
trying
to
register,
because
the
fact
that,
from
my
understanding,
what
I
was
told
is
that
you
have
to
show
up
in
person
and
you
got
to
get
there
early
in
order
to
get
a
spot.
F
Madam
chair
counselor
cassette
we
partner
with
the
northern
aquatics
team
to
provide
the
swim
lessons
and
they
do
have
an
online
sign
up,
and
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
if
fort
marcy
has
a
different
procedure
from
the
regular
nac
sign
up.
So
let
me
look
into
that
and
I
will
provide
more
information
about
that,
because
we
do.
There
is
a
possibility
to
sign
up
online,
so
I
will
send
out
more
information.
F
G
That
would
be
great.
I
know
that
definitely
pre-pandemic.
That
was
absolutely
thing.
I
remember
a
number
of
my
friends
lining
up
at
fort
marcy,
bright
and
early
in
the
morning
to
try
to
get
a
spot
so
and
then,
in
regards
to
expanding
swim
lessons.
I
know
that
part
of
that
challenge
is
really
getting
staffed
up
with
lifeguards
and
I'm
curious
if
we've
looked
at
contracts
with
any
private
entity
that
is
qualified
and
providing
swim
lessons
and
potentially
bringing
that
in
as
a
temporary
solution.
F
Madam
chair
councillor
cassit,
yes,
the
northern
aquatic
we
contract
with
them
to
do
to
conduct
the
swim
lessons,
so
we
partner
with
them,
and
so
that
is
something
that
we're
currently
working
to
expand
and
find
ways
to
be
able
to
provide
more
swimming
lessons
at
many
hours
that
the
parents
are
able
to
take
their
kids
to
swimming
lessons.
So
we're
we're
looking
at
that
mountain
chair.
E
N
G
Okay,
but
it
was
more
the
swim,
lessons
piece
and
really
being
able
to
to
expand
that.
As
I
know,
that's
a
really
high
need
the
other
one
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
throw
out
it's
not
currently
in
the
the
budget.
R
G
Know
that
there's
a
lot
of
complications
for
in
a
given
pandemic,
but
free
pandemic.
I
was
having
a
conversation
with
then
parks
and
rec
director
about
returning
to
the
child
care
services
at
g
triple
c.
They
did
exist
at
the
time
that
I
was
not
paying
attention
to
child
care,
because
I
was
barely
not
a
child
myself,
but
I
know
that
this
is
another
huge
draw
in
the
community.
I
know
that
one
private
fitness
center
just
got
a
lot
of
members
simply
because
they
had
child
care
offered.
G
So
as
we
continue
to
grow
the
recreation
division,
I
really
would
highly
encourage
how
we
can
look
at
to
providing
child
care
services.
I
think
that
there
is
a
huge
demand
for
that
and
that
that
really
actually
could
help
drive
some
more
revenue
as
well
as
I
would
also
agree
with
council
rivera
that
exploring
how
we
can
tap
into
that
insurance
market
would
be
would
be
something
I'd
very
much
be
in
favor
of
so
I
will
leave
it
at
that
again.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
your
work.
G
This
is
another
recreation,
my
goodness,
throughout
the
pandemic,
that's
been.
That's
been
a
huge
challenge.
I
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
mixed
reviews
in
the
community
about,
should
they
be
open,
should
they
not
and
they're,
not
open
enough
and
kudos
to
the
recreation
staff
for
weathering
this
challenging
time
as
well
as
they
did
so.
Thank
you
all.
A
P
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Okay,
we
are
going
to
move
on
to
the
emergency
management
and
safety
division.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
here.
To
present
this
budget
is
emergency.
R
Good
afternoon,
madam
chairman,
I
want
to
start
by
saying
how
much
I
appreciate
your
expressions
of
support
that
I've
received
this
last
year.
Obviously,
it's
been
a
huge
challenge
for
our
small
little
department,
with
this
unprecedented
experience
with
a
worldwide
endemic.
R
A
Ryan,
can
I
just
stop
you
right
there
for
a
minute,
please,
certainly
if,
if
we
could
keep
an
eye
out
again
for
counselor
via
real
and
just
wait
for
a
second
while
she
restarts
her
computer,
yes,
ma'am.
Thank
you.
J
R
Welcome
welcome
back
counselor
via
real
again.
The
emergency
management
and
safety
is
a
small
department
with
a
big
mission.
As
you
can
see,
we
have
an
office
of
emergency
management
and
the
office
is
safety.
Can
we
move
to
the
next
slide?
Please.
R
R
You
can
see
here
in
the
highlights,
obviously
there's
the
eight
percent
salary
increase.
We
have
asked
for
some
contractual
funding,
a
particular
note.
I
have
asked
for
funding
to
conduct
a
wildfire
evacuation
analysis.
R
What
our
intention
is
to
use
our
sim
table,
which
is
a
dynamic
gis
tool
to
analyze
the
evacuation
pattern
throughout
the
wildland
interface
area
in
santa
fe,
in
order
to
determine
the
best
catchments,
and
also
to
identify
potential
areas
for
improvement
where
we
may
see
bottlenecks
or
other
issues
with
evacuation.
This
is
clearly
a
high
priority
for
this
department,
something
to
keep
in
mind.
As
you
look
at
my
budget,
we
do
manage
a
number
of
grants
that
come
from
the
department
of
homeland
security
and
emergency
management
which
passed
through
to
other
departments.
R
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
her
williams.
Several
years
ago.
I
think
we
used
to
receive
some
funding,
for
I
think
it
was
half
half
of
your
salary.
I
believe
it
was
from
the
state.
Is
that
still
occurring,
or
are
we
funding
this
entirely
through
a
city
budget.
R
Both
my
position
and
the
emergency
management
specialist
are
general
fund
funded.
What
we've
run
into
with
the
it's
called
the
emergency
management
performance
grant
is
that
the
grant
cycle
is
such
that
it
gets.
Basically
they
get
it
awarded
in
the
spring.
The
grant
agreements
don't
come
out
until
the
fall
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
point
of
being.
You
know
going
through
the
council
on
committees
to
get
the
grant
agreement
approved
it's
now
in
the
spring
and
by
then
there's
not
really
enough
time
left
to
to
make
good
on
the
grant.
R
Unfortunately,
the
state
has
elected
to.
Although
the
money
comes
to
them
in
a
two-year
grant
cycle,
they
pass
it
on
to
the
sub-recipients
in
a
one-year
cycle.
So
we
do
have
this
challenge
of
being
able
to
take
advantage
of
the
money
in
the
time
that
they
give
us.
E
R
E
Mr
counselor
vera,
I
may
add,
I
think,
what
what
you're
seeing
in
the
fact
that
these
positions
are
general
funded
in
addition
to
a
solution
to
the
sort
of
cyclical
and
difficult
nature
of
funding
them
via
grants,
is
a
very
important
commitment
on
the
part
of
the
city
to
having
an
emergency
management
response.
That's
hardwired,
and
if
we
had
not
had
that
through
recent
years,
I
think
we
would
have
been
in
a
very
different
position
than
we
are
now.
L
I
thank
you
director,
ochoa,
so,
along
with
the
wildfire
evacuation
analysis,
mr
williams,
are
we
also
looking
at
how
this
would
affect
city
government
in
general?
Like?
Are
we
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
pay
salaries?
If
something
happened
to
the
infrastructure,
are
we
able
to
continue
with
city
functions
in
general?
Has
there
been
an
analysis
of
really
city
functions
in
the
case
of
really
what
what
is
probably
our
most
likely
large
emergency
situation,
which
would
be
a
wildfire.
R
Madam
chair
councillor
rivera
again
a
very
good
question:
what
you're
talking
about
in
emergency
management
speak
is
continuity
of
operations.
When
we
look
at
coop,
we
don't
necessarily
look
at
it
in
terms
of
what
the
threat
is.
That's
driving
the
necessity
for
the
coup,
so
does
it
really
matter
whether
it's
a
fire
or
the
pandemic
or
whatever
the
threat
is
that's
generating
the
necessity
for
coup?
But
rather
what
are
the
consequences?
R
R
Now
much
of
the
our
piece
of
that
effort,
we
in
we
developed
as
a
consequence
of
the
threat
of
staffing,
may
recall
back
when
the
delta
variant
was
at
its
worst.
R
What
those
the
consequences
of
those
threats
might
present,
what
is
our
capability
to
respond,
and
so
we're
looking
to
identify
gaps,
and
so
both
of
these
plans
are
requirements
for
eligibility
for
the
various
grants,
including
empg,
but
they
also
represent
a
very
important
tool,
both
in
terms
of
for
emergency
operations
and
the
ability
to
to
have
a
document
of
basically
conceptually
how
we
will
operate
in
the
event
of
an
emergency.
R
But
in
the
case
of
the
thyra
it
helps
us
identify
what
kind
of
bad
things
can
happen.
And
where
are
we
postured
in
terms
of
responding,
so
that
enables
us
to
identify
gaps
and
that's
a
very
important
endeavor
for
us
to
be
able
to
fulfill
our
overall
responsibilities
for
preparedness.
L
All
right
and
then
do
we
still
have
an
eoc
there
at
midtown
and
is
it
appropriately
equipped
and
funded.
R
Yes,
we
do,
it
is
a
shared
facility,
so
we're
able
to
use
the
the
room
both
for
training
but
also
for
emergency
operations.
And
yes,
we
are,
we
are
equipped
and
prepared
to
activate
okay.
K
K
Thank
you,
doc.
Director
williams
just
wanted
to
ask
you
a
little
bit
about
the
folks
that
work
with
you
now.
There's
six
there's
six.
Some
staff
people
is
that
correct.
K
And
safety,
okay
and
the
two
vacancies
are
in
safety,
got
it
and
the
two
vacancies
are
safety
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
to
the
safety
folks,
the
crp
cpr
training
that
I
did
was
excellent
and
I
hope
they
continue
that
for
staff
access.
K
I
just
think
that's
integral
to
what
we
need
to
know
and
I've
never
been
able
to
take
a
cpr
class.
So
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all
again,
for
that.
Can
you
elaborate
more
on
the
contracts
it's
307
thousand
317
000
and
I'm
not
I'm
excluding
the
wildlife
evacuation
analysis.
R
R
Consulting
spine
solutions
works
with
the
safety
division
to
help
identify
when
we
have,
for
example,
if
we
have
somebody
who
hurts
their
back
on
the
job
spine,
solutions
can
can
step
in
and
help
us
identify
the.
What
were
the
ergonomics
of
that
that
caused
that
injury
and
how
we
can
prepare
to
prevent
it.
A
A
A
Yes,
all
right,
so
the
motion
to
approve
the
emergency
management
and
safety
budget
has
been
approved,
not
to
be
redundant,
and
we
are
now
moving
on
to
fire.
It
looks
like,
since
our
fire
chief
has
just
joined
us.
Welcome.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
she's,
brian
moya.
To
present
the
fair
budget.
S
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee.
Yes,
so
this
will
be
my
first
budget
as
a
fire
chief.
It
has
been
a
tremendous
beginning
for
me.
We've
done
a
lot
in
this
budget.
I've
done
a
lot
of
adding
positions.
S
So
now
total
in
this
is,
I
have
a
total
of
205
ftes
and
my
current
vacancy
rate
is
11
with
that
one.
Madam
chair,
do
you
want
me
to
do
slides?
I
don't
need
the
slides,
but
did
you
want
me
to
put
up
the
slides.
A
I
think
we
want
to
do
that
mostly
so
that
people
watching
can
see
what
you've
got
there
and
follow
along
a
little
bit.
D
Okay,
madam
chair
allows
my
staff
to
start
sharing
the
slides.
If,
if
they
can
not,
I
can
pull.
A
S
So
this
is
slide
two.
These
are
my
big
positions
that
I
was
able
to
get
this
year,
I'll
really
focus
on
my
new
positions.
I
was
able
to
get
this.
These
new
positions
will
help
out
the
overall
fire
department
a
lot
of
what
I've
done,
with
the
increase
of
what
we've
expanded
within
the
fire
department
in
the
last
two
years
with
the
aru
units,
I
learned
a
lot
about
how
we
were
not
able
to
do
the
backgrounds.
S
You
know
the
backbone
of
the
fire
department,
the
training
areas
and
stuff
like
that.
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,.
S
This
one
will
be
here.
Sorry,
thank
you
so
in
this
in
this
budget,
in
this
proposal,
I
was
able
to
get
a
health
and
safety
captain.
This
division
within
my
department
has
one
chief
officer,
and
that
is
it
and
over
nine
years,
that
is
all
we
were
able
to
get
so
I'm
trying
to
at
least
get
a
division
of
two
a
lot
of
what
this
division
does
is
it
helps
with
cancer
prevention
within
the
department,
mental
health
within
the
fire
department.
S
A
lot
of
background
information
to
the
fact
of
you
know
bunker
your
cleaning
stuff
of
that
nature.
Also,
this
division
was
in
charge
with
the
encampments,
so
it
was
in
very
lead
of
going
out
and
doing
the
research
on
encampments
and
doing
the
background
if
there
were
fire
safe
and
stuff
like
that,
the
next
position
is
a
new
training
captain.
S
A
lot
of
what
I'm
trying
to
accomplish
with
this
is
the
training
division,
our
other
divisions
that
are
not
traditional
fire
academy,
employees
that
come
to
the
fire
academy.
We
didn't
have
a
very
good
onboarding
process,
so
I
wanted
to
have
our
training
division
take
that
on
and
within
that,
the
this
training
captain
will
do
a
lot
of
that.
It
will
help
onboard
new
case
managers.
It
will
help
them.
Do
the
trainings
it'll
help
with
the
wildland
division
during
our
seasonals
and
help
onboard
them.
S
We
have
a
training,
training
division
for
a
reason,
and
I
would
like
to
use
that
it
was
getting
put
a
lot
on
the
mijo
division
to
do
training.
It
was
a
lot
put
on
while
I
did
the
training,
so
I'm
trying
to
focus
back
on
the
training
division
does
the
training
for
the
fire
department
and
then
the
last
position
that
I
was
able
to
you
know
in
this
budget
proposal.
Is
the
fire
inspector
position.
We've
been
looked
into
a
lot
of
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
in
public
outreach.
S
We
really
don't
have
anybody
that
is
very
focused
on
that,
and
that
is
something
I
wanted
to
bring
where
we
can
have.
You
know
all
these
events
that
we've
been
having
from
flying
the
flag
at
the
national
cemetery
to
these
events
at
the
football
games.
Always
in
the
fall,
so
I'm
trying
to
make
within
the
fire
prevention
division
a
person-
that's
focused
on
this,
and
it
has
one
point
of
contact
and
I
think
with
this
thing
it's
it
will
help
us
tremendously
and
it
will
help
the
fire
department
overall.
S
That
includes
every
department
within
the
fire
department
that
will
include
operations,
wildland,
division,
the
aru
units,
the
mijo
division
and
training,
and
then
the
on-call,
the
fire
prevention
division.
So
our
overall
budget
went
up
to
1.7,
so
that's
the
overall
expense
in
that
one
million
dollars
for
vehicles.
We
are
this
fiscal
year.
This
coming
fiscal
year,
we're
gonna
ask
for
a
new
engine
engine
one
is
going
to
get
replaced
and
we're
getting
two
new
ambulances
in
this
current
budget.
S
So
that
is
where
a
lot
of
that
one
million
dollars
is
coming
from.
So
we
continue
to
expand.
We
continue
to
move
forward
and
we
always
need
to
keep
replacing
these
units
because
it
takes
a
long
time
to
replace
a
unit,
and
it's
really
a
long
time
constraint
at
this
point
where
fire
trucks
and
ambulances
are
taking
over
360
to
400
days
just
to
assemble.
S
Once
we
get
the
peel
in
place,
some
other
key
points
in
my
budget
was,
I
was
able
to
get
to
pre-pandemic
levels,
so
this
is
the
first
time
in
two
years
that
we're
back
to
where
we
were
before
covet
came
so
we're
able
to
fix
you
know,
line
by
line
every
position,
every
line,
operating
supplies
and
all
that
happening
increase,
and
then
the
other
big
points
are
utilities
everything's
going
up,
so
I
was
able
to
fix
a
lot
of
that.
S
One
big
thing
for
me
is
all
our
unfrozen
positions
are
back,
so
that
is
eight
firefighters.
We're
able
to
get
back
in
this
budget
also
one
paramedic
and
one
heavy
mechanic,
so
we
will
also
be
able
to
expand
in
our
mechanics
shop
and
be
able
to
go
to
four
people
in
that
division.
S
Those
are
the
big
highlights
for
me.
If
I
I
can
go
in
here
or
I
can
send
for
questions
on
each
budget,
so
this
is
admin
budget.
A
lot
of
what's
in
this
budget
is
where
a
lot
of
my
expenses
come
from
the
34.5
increase,
that
is,
for
the
cba
allocation
of
8.
So
that
is
why
there's
a
big
jump
there,
the
other
big
jump
is
the
166
000
for
supplies.
That
is
due
to
the
pre-pandemic
levels.
S
I
took
a
big
chunk
out
of
there
two
years
ago
in
our
budget,
so
that
is
bringing
money
back
in
that
area
and
then
the
other
cost
140
000
is
increased
into
other
departments.
I
have
more
people
in
my
department,
you
know
aru
has
we
have
extra
people
across
my
department?
We
have
205
ft's,
so
I
had
to
be
able
to
expand
in
those
areas.
I
can
stand
for
questions
on
this
or
I
can
go
across
and
do
all
three
budgets.
Madam
chair.
What
would
you
like
me
to
do?
Probably
all
three?
S
Okay,
so
then
the
budget
after
that
is
operations.
This
is
where
a
majority
of
my
operating
costs
go
to
salaries
that
you
see
in
line
one
there's
a
big
jump
in
there.
I
went
from
three
percent
of
vacancy
credit
to
fifteen
percent
vacancy
credit,
so
that
was
why
there
was
a
big
jump
in
that
one.
Some
other
big
areas
in
this
budget
is,
I
had
a
wildland
grant
in
there.
It's
the
forest,
stuart
guild,
grant
that
grant
ends
on
june
30th.
S
So
that
is
why
you
see
a
big
negative
in
insurance
of
90,
000
and
other
operating
costs.
So
most
of
our
contracting
utilities,
the
95
000,
is
this
forester
guild
grant
that
we
have
lost.
It
was
a
four-year
grant.
We
had
a
lot
of
what
I've
done
over
the
last
three
years
is
tried
to
build
up
the
wildland
division
to
offset
by
us
losing
this
grant.
This
doesn't
mean
we
can.
We
can't
get
a
grant
back
a
lot
of
what
this
grant
did
was.
S
It
was
towards
you
know,
hazard
reductions
in
the
watershed
we
could
go
out
there.
They
would
give
us
money,
our
wildland
division
would
go
work
out
there
and
then
they
would
reimburse
the
city
on
these
things.
So
it
is
just
they
don't
have
a
project
at
this
time
to
move
forward,
and
that
is
why
you
don't
have
the
money
in
that
grant
next
slide,
please.
S
So
this
one's
my
division
support
services.
This
division
carries
a
lot
of
my
grant
funded
money.
This
is
a
lot
of
money
in
my
state
fire
fund
money.
This
is
my
cares
money
for
one
of
my
case
managers
and
on
the
aru
unit
and
the
mijo
division.
So
the
first
one
you
see
there
is
a
negative
248
000
that
is
due
to
one
of
my
case
managers,
so
we're
in
our
last
couple
years
of
our
grant.
So
we
are
funding
it
per
year
now
and
not
the
whole
amount.
S
So
we
were
just
fixing
an
error
that
I
had.
It
was
my
fault
that
we
fixed
in
that
one.
Some
other
things
is:
we
bought
a
lot
of
vehicles
this
last
year,
so
in
the
capital
purchases,
it's
a
negative
614
000.
That
is
due
to
the
fact
that
this
year
we
are
getting
a
new
rescue
for
the
rescue
for
station
three,
the
rescue
division,
and
that
was
a
big
chunk
of
why
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
money
coming
in,
but
we
always
this
budget.
I
budgeted
enough
for
engine
one.
S
L
Yeah,
thank
you
chief
moya
for
your
presentation,
the
airport.
Let
us
know
that
they
were
purchasing
a
arf
truck,
which
I
assume
is
well
over
a
million
dollars,
and
I
don't
they
said
it
was
being
purchased
out
of
your
budget.
But
yet
I
don't
see
that
in
here
and
I
know
some
of
it.
I
think
it
was
being
purchased
at
it
this
year.
Is
that
why
it's
not
showing
up
here
or
is?
L
Is
there
some
budget
in
next
year's
fiscal
year?
That
would
help
pay.
S
For
that,
madam
chair
councillor
rivera,
so
what
happened
was
I
did
a
lot
of
research
in
the
last
two
weeks
on
this?
It
is
gonna
cost
us
1.2
million
dollars
we're
at
485
days
from
when
I
get
the
po,
so
me
and
finance
director
mccoy
are
working
on
it
currently
and
I
will
be
taking
it
to
finance
on
may
2nd
and
we're
going
to
fund
it
right
now.
S
So
we
are
doing
it
to
get
ahead
of
the
game
and
try
to
get
some
of
those
460
days
dropped
to
get
ahead
of
the
game.
So
we
are
that
why
I
didn't
present
it
in
this
budget
is,
it
is
in
our
current
budget
year
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
get
it
the
po
for
it
by
the
end
of
may.
L
All
right,
so
not
touching
this.
S
Budget
that
we're
talking
about
now
at
all
correct,
correct.
We
are
currently
going
to
just
fund
it.
With
this
current
budget
year
me
and
the
finance
director
were
able
to
get
the
money
and
I'm
going
to
be
put
into
my
budget,
and
then
I
will
have
to
carry
it
over
for
a
whole
year
due
to
the
fact
that
the
truck
is
going
to
take
465
days
to
to
arrive
so
we're
trying
to
get
ahead
of
the
game,
and
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
next
year,
we'll
be
able
to
receive
the
truck.
L
All
right-
and
I
know
traditionally
it's
been
difficult
to
hire
and
retain,
or
even
find
people
that
are
willing
to
look
at
a
paramedic
school.
Is
that
still
an
issue
or
are
we.
S
Doing
okay,
madam
chair
councillor
vera,
so
I've
done
things
a
little
differently
as
being
the
new
chief
in
the
last
three
months,
I've
been
able
to
let
them
go
to
school
if
they've
gone
to
the
community
college,
I'm
also
meeting
with
the
unions
currently
to
try
to
come
up
with
a
better
plan
to
get
a
better
pay.
But
I
know
it's
not
just
pay,
I'm
going
to
be
completely
honest.
It's
fixing
the
base.
I've
created
this
budget
and
moving
forward
as
me
being
the
chief
is.
S
We
need
to
get
more
people
in
the
seats.
We
need
more
people
in
the
fire
stations
so
when
they
go
to
paramedic
school,
we're
not
taking
a
a
hit
from
the
crews
running
the
calls,
so
we're
getting
better
we're
currently
right
now
in
the
hiring
you
know
the
advertising
phase
for
paramedic
school.
I
think
we're
getting
a
little
better
at
it.
S
I
think
we
just
need
to
get
me
and
the
union
on
the
same
page
and
come
up
with
a
better
plan
to
retain
them
and
not
just
throw
money
at
people,
but
also
throw
you
know,
better
support
and
better
understanding
of
how
we
run
this
place
and
they
not
having
to
run
every
call
and
making
sure
my
basics
and
intermediates
are
taking
the
appropriate
calls
when
necessary.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
us
just
changing
the
culture
and
changing
how
we
represent
and
and
to
show
the
paramedics
we
support
them.
100.
L
S
Madam
chair
councillor
vera,
I
think
we
oh,
I
definitely
can
we
just
need
to
have
that
conversation,
I'm
trying
we
did
get
one
lateral
paramedic
that
started.
You
know
three
months
ago
you
were
there
at
the
ceremony,
so
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
retention
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
definitely
a
great
conversation
to
have
is
some
kind
of
incentive.
S
If
we
could
and
just
so
everybody's
on
the
on
the
call
knows,
paramedics
take
a
year
to
get
so
it's
not
something
I
can
just
you
know
once
we
send
them
to
school,
it's
12
months
from
the
time
I
send
them
to
school,
till
they
come
back
till
they
become
a
paramedic.
So
I
can,
I
don't
want
to
say,
steal
paramedics
from
other
agencies,
but
you
know
it's
just
like
police
officers,
they're
they're,
a
hot
commodity
they're
hard
to
get,
and
if
we
could
do
anything
to
help
with
that,
it'd
be
a
great
thing.
L
All
right-
and
you
said
the
community
college
paramedic
program-
are
they
back
up
and
running
one
hundred
percent.
S
Madam
chair
counselor,
yes,
so
they're
up
running
100.
We
offer
both
programs
to
our
department,
so
they
can
either
choose
to
go
to
unm
or
they
can
go
to
the
community
college
and
we
give
them
the
choice
to
go
whatever
one.
They
would
like
to
so
they're
both
up
and
running
they're,
both
working
and
they're
they're.
We
have
people
in
both
programs.
Currently
we
have
three
paramedics
in
the
unm
program
and
we
have
two
paramedics
in
the
community
college
program.
S
L
All
right,
and
then
you
know
traditionally,
the
the
chain
of
command
or
the
latter
to
climb
up
the
ladder
has
been
really
fire.
Centered-
and
I
know
several
chiefs
after
me-
that
were
a
lot
smarter
and
brighter
than
I
am
have
been
trying
to
create
the
really
the
paramedic
career
ladder
that
goes
up.
Are
you
still
working
on
that,
or
is
that?
S
Of
accomplished
madam
chair
councillor,
rivera
I'm
trying
what
I
am
trying
to
do
now
is
I
gotta
fix
paramedics.
I
can't
keep
promoting
from
the
ems
side
and
then
taking
from
my
paramedic
pull
into
those
positions,
but
I
think
if
I
can
fix
the
paramedic
problem,
I
can
keep
the
retention
here
then
I
will
definitely
expand.
That
is
where
I'm
well.
S
That
is
where
I
struggle
right
now
is
I
can't
keep
expanding
in
ems
and
then
taking
the
medics
from
the
field
to
fill
those
positions,
and
then
I
don't
have
enough
medics
to
run
the
911
calls,
but
I
am
definitely
that
is
a
priority.
That
is
why
this
budget
cycle,
I
tried
to
fix
mid-level
positions,
give
some
positions
to
training
to
help
facilitate
those
things.
So
I
I
that
is
not
that
is
still
on
my
radar.
I
just
had
some
other
priorities
to
fix
first
and
then
definitely
have
that
conversation
next
budget
cycle.
L
Right
and
just
one
final
question
who's
our
current
medical
director
and
are
they
part
of
the
christmas
organization
or
are
they
from.
S
Somewhere
else
count
madam
chair
counselor,
it's
dr
hodnick
and
he's
part
of
he's
doesn't
work
locally.
S
So
he's
just
part
of
the
group
and
he
is
under
contract,
so
his
contract
is
this
is
his
last
year
this
next
budget
cycle
base
last
year
he's
in
professional
contracts.
K
K
So
can
you
can
you
say
again
what
position
of
the
new
positions
was
going
to
be
assisting
with
you
said
events,
which
one
was
that?
Can
you
say
more
about
that.
S
Yeah,
madam
chair
councilman,
vrl,
so
the
fire
inspector
position,
so
we
are
putting
a
position
in
the
fire
marshal's
office
and
in
within
that
office
we
will
bring
a
position.
No,
they
will
not.
They
will
still
do
inspections.
They'll
still
do
that.
I'm
just
putting
more
responsibility
on
the
other
four
and
this
new
position
will
do
a
lot
of
events.
When
I
came
in
it's
kind
of
changed
and
I
feel
like
we
need
that
kind
of
person.
S
We
need
that
person
to
do
zobra
make
sure
that
that
squared
away
make
sure
the
indian
market.
So
instead
of
us,
have
multiple
inspectors
doing
multiple
events,
it's
it's
a
pinpoint
accuracy,
one
person
and
they
will
report
to
the
fire
marshal
and
then
on
big
events.
I
will
be
involved
in
all
those
things.
K
K
S
S
and
then
we
have
the
eight
positions
that
are
not
in
the
budget,
but
they
don't.
I
don't
have
the
money
till
july.
So
technically,
if
you
really
look
at
that
deeply,
I
only
have
eight
vacancies
total
in
the
fire
department,
because
in
my
proposed
budget
these
include
the
22
vacancies,
so
eight
vacancies.
S
Madam
chair
council
brl
sorry,
so
what
so?
I
guess
yeah.
So
we
have
22
vacancies
currently
in
the
budget,
but
10
of
those
or
maybe
13
of
those
are
will
be
available
for
me
to
fill
in
july.
So
my
current
vacancy
rate
is
very
low.
It's
probably
at
seven
or
six.
I
I
apologize.
I
don't
have
that
current
number,
but
it's
a
lot
of
that
give
and
take
of
me
moving
forward.
K
A
We
have
director
mccoy's
hand
up
if
you
want
to
defer
chief.
S
Madam
chair
councilwoman
vrl,
I
will
have
finance
director
mccoy
help
me
on
this
one.
She
me
and
her
talk
this
morning
about
it.
D
Okay,
madame
chair
counselor,
yes,
this
is
a
bit
confusing,
particularly
with
this
department.
We
are
very
excited
to
be
able
to
unfreeze
some
of
the
positions
that
have
been
frozen
these
last
few
years.
So
what
chief
moya
is
talking
about
now
is
what
is
his
current
rate
for
funded
positions
this
year
he
has
some
vacant
positions
that
were
unfunded.
That's
what
were
we've
been
calling
frozen
positions,
so
that
would
that
does
include,
I
believe,
the
number
that
he
is
referencing
for
right
now,
he's
filled
a
few
case.
D
Managers
he's
brought
in
the
class
that
just
graduated,
but
that's
as
of
the
end
of
april.
When
we
are
begin
the
fiscal
year
23,
we
will
be
able
to
start
filling
those
frozen
positions,
because
the
budget
before
you
today
does
include
funding
for
those
positions
that
have
been
frozen.
These
last
few
years
again
very
excited
about
that.
But
what
that
does
for
his
fy
23
vacancy
rate
on
july
1?
D
Is
it
increases
it
a
little
bit
because
all
those
positions
we
are
counting
as
vacant,
so
I'm
sure
chief
moya
has
a
great
plan
to
start
filling
those
positions.
When
we
did
talk
this
morning,
he's
also
flagged
for
us,
and
this
is
very
helpful,
to
know
very
similar
to
what
we
talked
about
with
the
police
department
budget.
Sometimes
there
are
waves
because
folks
start
in
a
class.
P
S
That
volunteer
council,
home
and
via
rail.
So
a
lot
of
what
I've
learned
being
here
20
years
is
we
have
a
big
turnover
rate
so
technically
class
2-1
and
that's
my
current
class,
I'm
the
only
one
left
and
go.
I
hit
20
years.
A
month
ago,
class
2-2
will
hit
20
years
in
year
24
and
that
is
11
people.
So
in
a
lot
of
what
it
is
and
a
lot
of
what
it
comes
down
to
is,
I
can
never
not
have
an
academy
moving
forward.
S
It
always
is
a
give
and
take
for
me
because
at
any
point
I
could
have
11
people
all
decide
to
leave
me
due
to
retirements.
So
what
happens
how
to
fix?
It
is
just
every
year
we
have
an
academy
in
this
current
budget.
I
have
an
academy
of
20
that
I
have
funded.
You
know
I
have
the
ability
to
hire
up
to
20
cadets
and
a
lot
of
it
is
just
the
retention
and
the
recruitment.
S
So
every
year
after
class
2-2,
there
has
been
a
class
of
15
to
18
employees,
so
in
the
next
four
to
five
years
we
could
have.
You
know
the
top
part
of
the
fire
department
have
40
people
eligible
to
retire,
so
a
lot
of
just
like
what
pd
fire
is.
We
come
in
groups
and
we
believe
in
groups,
so
it
is
just
a
matter
of
when
we
were
in
20
fy
2019
during
cobit.
S
We
didn't
have
an
academy,
we
don't
feel
the
effects
of
it
until
a
year
and
a
half
to
two
years
later,
when
we're
like.
Oh,
my
goodness,
we
didn't
have
an
academy,
and
now
we
have
to
try
to
fund
this
and
we're
having
this
high
vacancy
rate.
My
overtime
goes
out
the
roof.
Those
are
kind
of
the
consequences
of
just
not
continuing
to
at
least
have
the
ability
to
fund
it.
K
Thank
you
for
that
explanation,
chief.
So
in
terms
of
retention,
you're,
saying
that
there's
a
lot
of
turnover-
and
we
talked
about
this
yesterday-
but
do
you
all
talk
to
folks
about
why
they're
moving
on
with
exit
interviews?
I
don't
know
if
you
do
that
conduct
them.
I
think
hr
does.
But
what
is
what
is
kind
of
the
main
reason
why
turnover
is
so
high.
S
S
S
He
wanted
to
work
for
the
military,
so
he
could
be
on
bases
and
move
with
his
family
as
needed.
So,
oh
and
the
other
reason
is
something
that
I
need
to
work
on
internally
and
me
and
me
inheriting:
is
they
promote
they
permit?
You
know
they
all
want
to
promote.
They
always
want
to
make
more
money.
So
these
paramedics
want
to
promote
the
lieutenant
they
want
to
promote
to
captain
and
they
want
to
get
off
the
ambulance
sometimes
and
go
to
a
fire
truck.
S
They
want
to
be
in
charge
of
the
station
when
you're
a
lieutenant
or
captain.
You
run
that
house
you're
in
charge
of
that
station
for
two
days.
So
a
lot
of
it
is
not
just
they
leave
us
it's
promotions.
It's
everything
I
do
within
the
fire
department
is
a
promotional
ladder.
So
if
you
start
as
a
firefighter,
you
can
work
your
way
up
and
continue
to
promote,
and
then
I
create
the
vacancies
on
the
bottom
end.
K
S
Madam
chair,
council
and
viral,
it
is
a
moving
target.
A
lot
of
it
is
events.
A
lot
of
it
is
all
across
the
board.
We
have
minimum
staffing,
so
we
don't,
if
you,
if
we
have
a
bunch
of
people,
call
in
sick
that
day
or
on
annual
leave,
and
we
have
people
on
light
duty
and
we
don't
have
the
staffing
level
we
hold.
So
it's
that
is
our
main
priority.
S
That's
where
a
majority
of
our
budget
goes
into
is
over
time
for
the
the
stations,
the
crews,
the
48
hour,
shift
employees.
Other
overtime
is
events
I
kind
of
had
to
bump
up
the
overtime
due
to
all
the
events
we're
going
to
have
the
summer.
Zozobra
is
a
big
event
that
we
take
on.
That
causes
a
lot
of
overtime,
and
then
we
are
also
trying
to
create
a
bike.
Medic
team.
S
So
in
the
summer
time
we're
able
to
have
like
pd
have
some
bikes
on
the
plaza
have
bikes
at
events
across
the
city
where
they
can
help
respond
to
these
calls
faster
and
not
have
to
drive
through
all
the
traffic.
So
we're
trying
to
get
more
proactive
on
adding
new
and
innovative
ways
to
respond
to
calls
a
little
quicker,
so
the
overall
majority
of
that
and
then
just
to
clarify
120
of
that
120
000
of
that
is
wildland
over
time.
S
So
I
put
a
cap
on
it,
but
if
we
have
to
go
help
other
cities
or
other
departments
without
the
state,
I
have
a
set
amount
of
money
to
send
so
we're
not
tapping
into
our
overtime
cost.
For
the
structural
side,
I
have
a
set
amount
for
the
wildland
division
to
go
out
too,
and
I
put
35
000
to
talk
about
overtime
for
air.
U
I'm
currently
using
that
now
to
get
the
experience
letting
the
crew
see
what
this
unit
does.
S
So
I
put
a
little
bit
of
money
in
there
just
to
let
the
crews
let
see
if
we
can
get
some
paramedics
interested
in
that
unit
to
help
on
the
overtime
and
when
we
start
expanding
in
that
direction
in
that
direction.
Also.
K
S
Madam
chair
council
brl,
yes,
on
average,
I
my
overtime
budget,
is
very
high.
To
be
completely
honest,
it
is
the
cost
of
doing
business
within
the
fire
department
and
it's
and
when
we
give
a
pay,
raise
we
give
stuff
like
that
everything
goes
up,
but
it,
but
it
is
just.
I
can't
leave
the
citizens
without
coverage.
I
can't
our
gentlemen.
Our
people
know
within
the
fire
department.
You
might
not
go
home
on
that
third
day,
because
somebody
might
call
in
sick
and
you
have
to
work.
S
So
I
think
a
lot
of
it
is
I've
been
here
20
years
and
everybody
used
to
tell
me
overtime
is
going
to
go
down.
Council
councillor
will
probably
will
test
this.
You
know
overtime
is
going
to
drop,
it
might
drop
three
or
four
months,
but
we
might
have
people
on
fmla.
We
might
have
people
on
military
leave.
So
a
lot
of
what
I,
what
I
have
to
account
for
is
when
that
person's,
not
there.
Somebody
else
has
to
pick
up
the
slack
it's
within
the
fire
department.
K
Thank
you
for
that
explanation
and,
like
my
last
question
you
you
talked
about
aru
and
we
didn't
see
anything
about
increases
for
aru
for
the
aru
team,
which
leads
me
to
believe:
that's
not
going
to
grow
beyond
two
units
at
this
time.
Maybe
you
can
say
more
about
that,
because
I
didn't
I'm
not
talking
about
necessarily
increases
in
staff,
but
really
just
looking
at
how
that
is
going
to
be
expanded
and
what
your
since
there
wasn't
any
there
weren't
any
requests
in
the
budget.
S
Manager,
councilwoman,
rail,
very
good
question.
I
knew
you
were
going
to
ask
that
question.
I
was
ready
for
it.
I
had
to
fix
the
base.
I'm
being
completely
honest,
I
use
paramedics
for
that
unit.
I
need
to
get
more
paramedics
in
my
streets,
so
I
can
expand
a
lot
of
what
I'm
trying
to
accomplish.
Is
we
moved
really
fast
and
now
I
need
to
fix
the
other
areas.
S
That
is
why
I
put
a
training
captain
in
that
position
to
help
with
that,
we
we
moved
so
fast
to
get
area
one
and
two
up
and
running,
and
we
were
not
able
to
help
the
structure.
Support
that
I
need
to
be
able
to
do
case
managers
and
make
sure
that
their
training
is
up
to
speed.
I
need
to
make
sure
that
we
get
get
a
better
facility,
we're
almost
growing
out
at
midtown
of
where
how
we
can
expand
in
that
area.
So
it
is
a
lot
of
not
just
putting
the
units
out
to
help.
S
It's
also
support
the
structure
help
the
division.
We
are
running
out
of
the
ron
shop.
I
forgot
the
appropriate
name
there
at
midtown,
so
the
unit
is
kind
of
just
thrown
in
there,
so
I
need
to
get
better
facilities
for
them.
I
need
to
I've
learned
that
we
we
can
move
so
fast,
but
then
we
have
to
slow
down
and
realize
that
we
have
to
support
them
structurally
behind
the
scenes
too.
So
me
moving
forward.
S
I
hope
next
budget
cycle,
I
can
bring
you
another
unit
or
if
I
can
fix
a
lot
of
the
issues
I
have
currently,
we
can
continue
to
expand.
The
program
is
not
a
pilot
program.
In
my
mind,
I
think
director
ochoa
would
agree
with
me.
It
is
part
of
what
I
do
as
part
of
what
the
fire
department
does.
We
have
complete
100
buy-in.
It
is
a
great
program.
I
think
it's
helping
the
community
100
percent.
I
know
it's
helping
pd.
S
I
know
it's
helping
fire
and
the
crews
really
utilize
that
those
units-
and
I
need
to
when
I
bring
air
u3
up
and
running.
It
will
also
be
just
like
the
fire
department,
where
I
will
have
to
put
enough
resources
out
there.
So
if
somebody's
on
manual
or
somebody's
on
a
sick
lead
day
or
call
in
sick,
we
have
the
backup
support
to
keep
the
unit
running,
because
we
right
now
don't
have
the
structure
to
say.
S
If
captain
one
of
the
ems
captains
are
sick
or
two
of
the
ems
captains
are
sick,
we
don't
have
the
capacity
yet
to
keep
it
up
and
running.
So
I
also
need
to
realize
just
like
in
the
fire
department.
I
need
to
make
sure
that
it
runs
seven
days
a
week
or
right
now,
it's
five
days
a
week
and
make
sure
that
the
structure
behind
the
aru
is
there.
Also-
and
madam.
E
Chair
councilman
via
elf,
I
may
add,
we
are
indeed
extremely
excited
about
the
alternative
response
unit
and
what
it's
able
to
do
for
the
community,
and
we
very
much
look
forward
to
growing
it
sensibly
and
one
of
the
things
that
council
council
rivera
asked
me
about
the
contractual
amounts
in
the
community
services
admin
budget
intending
to
do
a
strategic
plan
which
includes
a
plan
for
growth
of
the
aru.
E
What
is
the
most
sensible
way
to
grow?
The
aru,
I
know
chief
joy
will
talk
about
how
much
that
service
means
for
police
as
well
as
fire.
You
know
when
we
look
at
our
shortages
and
police.
I
know
we'll
discuss
that.
Aru
is
a
really
great
strategy
for
addressing
those
low-level
non-violent
calls
and
if
we
could
wave
a
magic
wand
and
have
you
know,
24
7
coverage
of
aru,
I
think
everybody
in
public
safety
would
want
to
do
that.
That's
how
successful
the
program's
been!
E
That's
a
tribute
to
undressed
mercado,
to
nicole
alt,
to
ramos,
to
will
to
every
member
of
that
team
and
to
chief
moya
for
supporting
it
in
a
really
sensible
way
where
it's
getting
fully
integrated
into
that
department.
So
I
think
you
know.
I
know
we've
been
told
that
this
is
not
a
one
and
done
budget.
We
could,
even
if
we
get
a
study,
done
sooner
come
back
to
finance
and
the
council.
You
know
in
the
fiscal
year
23
about
how
to
add
units.
E
We
want
to
just
make
sure
that
we're
doing
it
in
a
way
that
that
doesn't
the
analogy
is,
is
really
to
get
the
ladder
getting
so
high
that
the
truck
falls
over.
R
E
We
don't
want
that
to
happen
and
we
want
that
team
to
be
fully
fully
supported.
They
do
some
of
the
hardest
work
in
the
city
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
they
have
everything
they
need
to
do
it
well,
so
we
we
fully
intend
to
grow
it.
We
just
don't
have
a
direct
request
in
this
budget,
although,
as
chief
moya
said,
the
training
captain
can
support
that,
and
the
budget
for
contractual
exploration
of
evaluation
and
strategic
growth
for
that
program
can
also
support
growth.
S
Veteran
chair,
council,
woman,
vrl,
so
aru1
is
up
fully.
We
are
still
trying
to
get
air
u2
up
and
running
a
lot
of
what
we're.
Having
is
these
new
case
managers
that
we
just
hired
in
the
last
two
and
a
half
weeks?
We
are.
It
is
just
a
matter
of
facilitating
it,
but
one
unit
is
running
10
hour
shifts
they're
running
eight
to
six
monday
through
friday
and.
E
Indeed,
sure
go
ahead,
I'm
sorry,
madam
chair
councilman
beatrel!
This
is
something
I
could
talk
a
lot
about,
so
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
time
on
this
on
this
committee,
but
one
thing
to
also
understand
about
aru.
It's
you
know
it's
connected
to
services
within
the
community
right,
so
as
we
we
don't
want
to
put
so
much
on
the
team.
Finding
people
in
crisis
to
then
support
them
long
term.
E
E
You
know
behavioral
health
services,
division
and
other
places
that
are
very
interested
in
supporting
that
work,
to
make
sure
that
you
know
pms
guidance,
center,
lasalla
and
all
the
behavioral
health
providers
in
santa
fe,
which
have
been,
as
you
know,
struggling
after
having
been
essentially
defunded,
are
you
know,
really
there
to
support
the
people
that
we're
finding
in
the
field?
So
it's
a
very
it's
it's
like
the
fire
department
itself.
You
know
you
push
at
one
thing:
it
sort
of
pulls
in
another
area.
E
E
E
So
it's
it's,
as
chief
moya,
says
around
fully
integrating
this
specialized
unit
into
what
we
already
do,
not
that
we
don't
need
more,
that
that
we
don't
want
more,
but,
as
I
think
you
know,
I'm
always
ready-
and
I
put
a
lot
of
pressure
on
when
I
first
came
into
this
position
to
get
the
aru
team
chief
moya
was
another
incredibly
good
sport
about
how
much
pressure
and
how
quickly
we
had
to
get
it
going
and
they
did
it.
And
now
we
just
need
to
make
sure
moving
forward.
K
Got
it
yep
that
makes
sense
and
one
last
question:
arpa
funds
couldn't
be
used
for
aru
infrastructure
needs.
Madam
chair
councilman,
bierael.
E
Infrastructure
needs
in
terms
of
staffing,
which
is
the
main
infrastructure,
not
so
much.
I
think
we
might
in
working
with
director
mccoy
if
we
have
needs
around
purchases
of
vehicles,
or
things
like
that.
Perhaps
I
think
we'd
have
to
look
and
work
with
legal.
Currently,
we
aren't
proposing
using
arpa
funding
directly
for
aru,
although
we
do
have
a
large
allocation
for
mental
health
that
we
will
be
bringing
forward
next
week
and
there's
flexibility
within
that
amount
as
well.
A
Councillor
lindell
moved
to
approve,
moved
to
approve
the
fire
department
budget
council.
Cass
is
the
second.
If
we
could
get
a
roll
call.
Please.
A
Yes,
thank
you
all
right.
We
are
moving
on
to
the
police
department
budget.
I
believe
this
is
the
last
budget
in
this
umbrella,
and
it
is
322.
just
want
to
make
everybody
aware
of
the
time
as
we
move
to
discuss
what's
next
and
director
choa,
I
don't
know,
are
you
gonna
volunteer?
Thank
you.
If
I.
E
Could
introduce
you
before
throwing
him
into
the
deep
end
here
I
want
to
say
when
I
came
into
this
position,
I
started
talking
to
officers,
as
I'm
sure
will
emerge
in
the
conversation,
our
vacancy
rate
for
the
police
department
has
long
been
a
concern
and
as
we've
as
calls
for
service
have
increased
over
the
years
as
the
intensity
and
acuity
of
those
situations
has
increased.
It's
very
important
that
we
invest
in
in
our
police
force.
Now,
of
course,
our
proposed
16
for
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
will
go
a
long
way.
E
We
hope
toward
attracting
retaining
police
officers,
but,
as
chief
joy
will
tell
you,
no
one
becomes
a
police
officer
from
pay
when
I
first
started
speaking
with
officers
about
why
why
we
didn't
have
as
many
people
in
the
in
the
department
as
we
needed
a
few
things
emerged,
and
this
is
not
a
scientific
survey,
but
one
of
them
was
morale.
I
will
say
that
I
think
we
have
done
a
lot
to
improve
morale
in
recent
months.
E
We
are
showing
upward
mobility
within
the
police
department
by
promoting
from
within,
very
happy
to
you
know,
have
chosen
chief
joy,
who
is
also
has
a
management
style,
that's
extremely
inclusive,
and
asks
for
a
lot
of
input
from
from
his
whole
department.
So
I
think
morale
is
really
doing
well
in
the
police
department
and
that'll
attract
other
officers
to
us.
Another
thing
that
did
emerge
was
the
cost
of
housing
in
santa
fe.
So
I
hope
and
and
I'm
very
encouraged
by
the
exploration
of
the
the
mortgage
assistance
program.
E
E
Really
looking
at
having
a
supportive
community
and
city
council
for
our
police
department-
and
I
know
this
council
and
the
department
and
the
community
are
very
appreciative
of
our
officers
and
all
they
do-
this
has
been
a
very
hard
year
for
our
police
department
in
many
many
ways
having
lost
one
of
our
own,
the
more
we
can
do
to
show
these
officers
how
much
we
support
them.
T
Madam
chairman
of
the
committee,
thank
you
I'm
honored
to
be
here.
I'm
gonna
try
to
be
respectful
of
your
time,
also
just
to
say
real
quick
as
a
former
lifeguard,
I'm
happy
to
brainstorm
with
any
of
the
other
teammates
here
to
see
what
we
can
do
about
increasing
the
staff
there.
I
I
don't
think
I'd
be
here
today,
we're
not
for
my
early
early
time
in
that
in
that
profession
there,
but
to
jump
in
here
again
we're
grateful
to
see
an
increase
of
four
million
dollars.
T
Approximately
13.6
percent
from
the
fy
22
budgeted
levels
for
fy23
we're
looking
at
232
funded
positions,
including
four
new
positions
as
evidence
in
property
technicians
of
the
232.
We
have
approximately
54
vacancies
in
total,
that's
to
include
sworn
and
non-sworn
putting
us
at
a
vacancy
rate
of
about
23
percent.
T
We
have
169
sworn
positions
with
a
vacancy
with
34
vacancies,
which
puts
us
at
a
vacancy
rate
of
about
20
percent.
In
the
coming
months,
we
are
anticipating
to
hire
three
more
cadets
which
we're
going
to
send
into
the
next
academy
here
and
we're
planning
on
hiring
one
more
lateral
that
should
be
coming
soon.
We
are
also
anticipating
the
retirement
of
one
lieutenant
by
june.
T
So
among
the
increases
to
this
year's
budget
proposals
again
is
a
four
additional
evidence,
type
property
positions
where
this
builds
on
our
evidence,
room
staffing
that
was
added
in
2020
as
part
of
the
updates
to
the
evidence
room,
as
well
as
the
evidence,
handling
processes,
as
well
as
we're
funding
funding
to
purchase
an
additional
30
vehicles
which
would
restore
our
department
to
pre-covet
purchase
quantities,
funding
to
complete
department-wide
transition
to
the
axon
camera
system,
including
in-car
cameras,
our
interview
rooms
and
the
software
to
manage
these
devices,
as
well
as
a
number
of
contracts
to
include
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
solace
crisis
service
contracts.
T
T
All
right
in
the
administrative
division,
we
are
seeing
an
increase
of
55.9
percent
in
salaries,
wages
and
benefits.
This
is
because
of
the
proposed
16
percent
allocated
to
the
collective
bargaining
agreement,
which
is
being
housed
in
currently
an
admin
budget
once
the
cba
is
completed
and
accepted,
that
funding
would
be
distributed
accordingly
to
the
appropriate
divisions.
T
Also
in
that
increase
are
the
four
new
evidence.
Tech
positions
that
we
talked
about
also
seen
in
the
admin
budget
is
a
decrease
of
48.6.
T
Another
increase
seen
in
the
administration
budget
is
53.4
in
capital
purchases.
This
is
an
increase.
This
goes
to
the
again
the
the
30
police
vehicles,
which
again
brings
us
back
to
where
we
should
be
where
we
accounting
for
pre-covet
levels.
Next
slide.
Please.
T
Operations
there
we
are
okay,
so
the
operations
division-
that
is
those
are
the
officers
and
detectives
and
and
the
personnel
that
you
guys
see
out
in
the
streets
every
day.
Responding
to
calls
and
the
the
notable
decrease
again
in
this
slide
is
26.2
in
the
insurance
again
due
to
the
reduction
of
risk
assessment,
as
well
as
police
vehicle
claims.
T
We
see
an
increase
in
the
capital
purchases
from
32
000
to
45
000
40.6,
that's
due
to
the
purchase
of
a
new
animal
services
vehicle
as
well
as
an
additional
13
000
for
the
purchase
of
the
kennel
for
that
vehicle
next
slide.
Please.
T
A
Thank
you
chief,
and
welcome
congratulations
on
your
new
job
and
welcome
to
your
your
first
finance
committee
meeting
as
chief
didn't
get
to
say
that
on
the
front
end,
all
right.
Thank.
A
All
right
there
we
go
now
we
got
our
hands
on
the
buzzers,
all
right,
councillor,
rivera.
L
Let's
see
so,
you
guys
offer
15
000
sign
out
bonuses.
Where
does
that
come
out
of.
D
Madam
chair
counselors,
if
either
lawrence
or
andy
want
to
jump
in,
I
am
pulling
up
the
detail
now
to
be
able
to
answer
that
question.
For
you.
L
Well,
we
wait
for
that
answer
chief,
so
I
noticed
that
most
of
the
16
increases
are
going
to
salary
and
other
salaried
employees.
It
looks
like
within
poa
what
does
that
do
to
you
to
non-union
people
that
are
in
close
proximity?
T
Madam
chair
counselor
rivera-
I
don't
believe
so
with
the
eight
percent
that's
proposed
for
the
rest
of
us.
I
I
I
think
we're
in
a
good
position.
I
don't.
I
don't
anticipate
any
compaction
concerns
this
this,
where
this
to
go
through.
T
L
T
I
think
we
would
be
talking
about
the
pay
rate
of
our
public
safety
aids
and
I
don't
have
their
pay
rates
in
front
of
me.
If
I
kick
that
one
to
dc
valdez,
if
you
can
help
me
out
with
that.
U
Chair
councilor
rivera,
so
I
believe
your
question
was
what
is
the
lowest
pay
of
the
non-union
employer
would
be
closest
to
the
police
sergeant.
Is
that
correct,
sir?.
L
I
believe
so
just
the
difference
between
the
union
and
non-union.
I
can't
believe
it's
that
much
different.
U
So
that
would
be
our
police
lieutenant.
That
would
be
with
the
next
range
in
a
non-union
position.
With
that
patrol
sergeant
and
with
the
proposed
recommended
allocation
for
salary
increases
for
both
the
lieutenant
and
the
sergeant,
there
would
still
be
approximately
a
four
dollar
range
of
pay
at
that
point.
It
would
be
closer
than
it's
been
in
years
past,
but
with
compaction
this
year
we
would
be
okay,
but
there
were
additional
increases.
Moving
forward.
They'd
have
to
be
done
at
a
consistent
rate
to
avoid
compaction.
V
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
rivera
those
are
budgeted
in
the
salaries
category
they're
budgeting.
The
incentives
line
item,
there's
there's
a
line
item
in
the
in
the
up
in
the
budget
for
incentives,
and
that
is
where
that
is
by
trading.
T
Madam
chair
council,
rivera
since
the
inception
of
the
program
we've
had
18
lateral
officers.
Take
advantage
of
that
offer.
T
U
Looks
like
deputy
chief
paul
is
beaming
in
madam
chair
counselor
riveta,
so
that's
correct.
We
have
approximately
10
officers
last
year
that
have
received
their
initial
pay
and
their
second
pay.
There
may
be
one
or
two
that
may
be
coming
up
on
it
now
around
may,
and
then
we
have
approximately
six
or
the
remaining
difference
that
eight
of
them,
which
have
received
their
first
pay,
would
be
due
for
their
second
installment
in
the
second
part
of
23
and
the
latter
part
of
22
this
year.
L
So
you
know-
and
I
understand
the
16
increase
to
the
salary.
I
think
we
have
to
keep
up
with
what
other
departments
are
doing
just
to
retain
police
officers.
L
So
to
say
they
don't
do
it
for
the
pay,
I
think,
is
wrong.
I
think,
if
that
were
true,
we
wouldn't
have
to
keep
up
with
what
other
departments
are
doing,
but
unfortunately
we
do
so.
In
other
other
discussions.
L
Previous
to
today,
I
learned
that
the
amount
of
vacancies
that
we
have
now
are
higher
than
what
we
had
two
years
ago
and
we've
put
in
27.
I
think
point
five
percent
increase
two
years
ago
and
now
a
16
increase
to
keep
up
with
what
state
police
are
doing.
So
my
question
is:
have
we
looked
into
other
ways
besides
pay-
and
I
know
leadership
is
a
big
part.
Morale
is
a
big
part,
but
have
we
looked
into
other
incentives
to
keeping
keeping
police
officers
here
in
santa
fe?
E
Excuse
me
counselor
rivera.
If
I
could
take
the
first
part
and
then
maybe
dc
joined
his
chief
joy.
Excuse
me
it's
a
long
day
and
his
deputy
chief
could
help.
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
some
of
the
incentives
that
I've
heard
have
to
do
with,
you
know
the
investment
in
the
infrastructure
within
the
police
department.
E
You
know
and
when
I
first
came
into
this
job,
I
didn't
realize
how
important
police
cars
are,
but
they're
really
important,
they're
the
number
one
tool
that
police
officers
have
in
many
ways
to
do
their
job
their
office
and
they
need
to
work
well
and
they
need
to
be.
You
know
up
to
date,
and
so
I
think
the
investment
in
the
police
cars
is
helping
quite
a
bit
the
investment
in
technology.
E
You
know
forgive
me
to
the
police
officers
out
there,
but
the
analogy
to
me
is
when
you
go
to
your
doctor's
office
and
and
they're
always
like
fiddling
with
the
records,
and
they
have
to
spend
forever
on
the
record
system,
because
it's
not
working
and
they're,
not
looking
you
in
the
in
the
eye
and
how
frustrated
doctors
are
by
that.
I
think
police
officers
are
very
frustrated
with
the
amount
of
time
that
the
current
record
management
system
has
been
taking
so.
E
But
I
think
you
know
investing
in
technology
and
those
kinds
of
efficiencies,
leadership,
housing
costs
so
that
they
don't
have
to
commute
an
hour
each
way
to
work.
Here
are
another
big
thing,
and
I
think
you
know
chief
joyce
looked
at
all
kinds
of
things
from
our
facial
hair
policy,
which
has
recently
changed.
Those
are
very
low
hanging
fruits,
but
he's
heard
from
a
number
of
his
folks.
It
would
make
a
difference
if
they
could
have.
You
know
a
well-trimmed
conservative
beard
on
the
job
and
I'll.
T
Right
and
madam
chair
counselor
rivera
yeah,
there
are
a
lot
of
factors
that
we've
been
working
on
in
dealing
with,
obviously
2020
for
a
number
of
reasons
hit
our
profession
pretty
hard,
but
also
here
at
the
department,
getting
an
academy
going
working
with
dps
to
try
to
get
an
academy.
If
we
didn't
have
an
academy,
we
couldn't
hire
cadets,
which
was
a
problem
for
us.
T
Also.
We
saw
a
pretty
drastic
decline
in
interest
in
the
profession
for
a
number
of
reasons,
but
also
it
was.
It
was
a
matter
of
on
our
end,
where
we're
kind
of
to
speak
to
what
chief
moya
mentioned,
and
some
of
the
other
folks
before
me
in
this
in
our
in
public
safety
is
we
we
seem
to
hire
in
bulk
and
and
they
retire
in
bulk
and
if
part
of
the
problem
that
we
see
is
sometimes
trying
to
hire
as
much
and
more
than
to
keep
up
with
the
retirements.
T
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we're
gonna
hire
four
and
we're
we're
already
losing
one
to
retirement.
So
far
in
in
2020,
we
haven't
had
any
resignations,
which
is
great
I'll.
Take
credit
for
that.
There's!
No
one!
Here
to
argue
with
me
yet,
but
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
things,
a
lot
of
factors
that
are
involved
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
I've
spoke
with
throughout
my
selection
process
and
am
challenging.
T
T
They
basically
shock
you
with
showing
you
and
explaining
to
you
all
the
terrible
things
that
can
happen
to
you
in
this
job
and
to
really
make
sure
this
is
something
you
really
want
to
do,
and
and
people
leave
after
that
first
introduction,
and
so
it's
the
the
decision
to
come
into
this
profession
has
to
be
the
right
one
and
it
has
to
be
made
first
and
then
everything
else
comes
secondary.
L
I
think,
chief
in
one
of
the
slides,
you
showed
54
vacancies.
I
think
you
said
33
31
somewhere
in
there
were
actual
police
officers
where
the
rest
of
the
vacancies
at.
T
Let
me
refer
to
my
notes
here.
I
believe
that's
true
about
my
my
scattering
of
notes.
A
I
believe
me
vacancies.
Miss
bowen
is
raising
her
hand,
perhaps
with
information.
W
To
help
thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
riveta,
it
would
be
26
vacancies
in
our
non-sworn
with
the
expansion
of
the
four
evidence
texts.
L
Okay,
wow:
that's
a
lot!
Is
it
just
the
the
general
trend
of
not
being
able
to
find
people
that
want
to
come
back
to
work
or
are
there
other
issues
that
are
keeping
people
from
coming
in.
E
Madam
chair
counselor
rivera,
I
think,
dc
valdez,
can
shed
some
insight
into
that,
including
you
know
some
of
the
rigorous
background
checks
that
are
required
in
these
non-sworn
positions
in
pd,
okay,.
U
We
have
a
couple
of
issues
at
play,
so
one
is
right
now
trying
to
get
people
back
to
work
and
again
finding
a
work
environment
that
now
fits
their
needs.
A
lot
of
things
change
fond
epidemic.
When
people
are
working
online,
where
we
had
the
opportunity
for
people
to
tell
communities,
they
are
looking
for
a
bit
more
flexibility
as
one
side
of
it.
The
other
side
of
the
coin
as
well,
is
employee
compensation.
U
One
thing
that
can
speak
to
that
is
our
records,
technicians
and
our
admin.
Assistants
we've
had
those
positions
chronically
bacon
for
the
last
two
almost
three
years.
It
isn't
due
to
a
lack
of
interest,
truth
be
told.
We
had
well
over
60
applicants
that
applied
interviewed
and
let
us
know
that
they
want
to
be
a
record
stack
or
admin
assistant
of
those
60.
We
hired
four
because
it
came
down
to
the
pay
of
the
four
that
we
hired.
We
have
two
that
remain
with
us,
one
of
them
just
recently
left
because
of
the
pace.
U
She
was
a
records
technician.
We
did
do
that
increase
where
she
went
up
to
that
15
an
hour
pay
rate,
but
when
she
was
going
to
transition
from
records
tech
to
an
admin
assistant,
she
was
unable
to
get
that
10
percent
increase
because
it
would
have
caused
compaction
within
the
admin
assistant
classification.
So
she
was
able
to
get
a
higher
pay
rate
of
pay
somewhere
else
and
for
us,
that's
a
huge
loss
because
we
trained
that
individual
for
that
skill
set
and
a
lot
of
time.
U
Investment
went
into
it
and
it's
a
position
that
is
dearly
needed.
That
is
something
that
we've
communicated
we're
trying
to
be
real
creative
about
how
we
can
do
that.
The
other
side
of
it,
too,
is
during
our
selection
process.
If
you
work
behind
the
secured
doors,
the
lobby
at
the
police
department,
you
have
to
pass
a
background
that
allows
you
to
access
a
criminal
justice
information
system
data.
It's
a
pretty
rigorous
and
long
process.
U
Sometimes
when
we
do
call
candidates
back
that
do
administrative
work,
it
may
be
anywhere
from
six
to
12
weeks
after
the
initially
applied
and
they're
gonna
say.
Well,
I'm
sorry.
I
had
to
take
another
job
and
I'm
unable
to
go
and
wait
and
not
be
gamefully
employed
while
this
process
goes
on
so
we're
looking
at
a
different
way
to
approach
that
to
kind
of
minimize
that
side.
But
in
addition,
what
we're
looking
at
is
if
we
can
get
them
on
board
with
the
city
and
let's
say
they
don't
pass
our
background
check.
U
We
know
there's
vacancies
currently
that
exist
throughout
the
city,
so
if
they
can't
be
assigned
to
pe,
we
can
onboard
them
while
they
start
the
background.
Much
like
los
alamos
national
labs
does
and
if
they
don't
work
out
for
us,
we
can
offer
them
up
to
other
city
departments.
So
we
can
help
fill
those
vacancies
as
well
and
they're
gainfully
employed
as
they
go
through
that
background
process.
So
we're
looking
at
different
ways
to
be
creative,
but
those
are
positions
that
need
to
be
staffed.
U
They
need
to
be
functional
because
they're
a
direct
support
for
our
personnel
in
the
field.
They
do
all
the
paperwork.
They
do
the
validations
for
the
reporting
for
the
criminal
justice
system.
They
make
sure
that
all
the
bills
are
paid,
so
their
vehicles
can
operate
and
everything's
good
and
operating
here
at
the
police
department.
So
it's
a
critical
position
that
we
need
and
we
are
looking
at
different
ways
to
be
aggressively
adjustable
to
say
we
need
to
get
people
in
the
door
and
get
them
on
our
team.
L
T
Madam
chair
council,
river
yeah-
and
this
is
something
that
is
seen
statewide-
I
I
don't
know
of
a
department
in
the
in
the
state
that
doesn't
offer
take-home
vehicles.
It's
it's
just
due
to
the
nature
of
of
where
we
live.
R
T
The
various
economic
differences
we've
seen
between
communities
in
order
for
us
to
remain
competitive.
That's
just
one
aspect
of
a
thing
that
that
we're
in
a
position
now
that
it
has
to
be.
We
have
to
offer
it
to
be
able
to
remain
competitive
with
the
folks,
because
every
other
agency
that
again
that
I'm
aware
of
that's
a
standard
practice
as
the
take-home
vehicles.
T
We
I'm
not
entirely
sure
we're
waiting
for
the
union
results
they're
doing
their
own
little
internal
survey
that
I'm
waiting
to
hear
back
for
so
far
39
have
responded.
We
haven't
gotten
the
rest
of
those
I
believe
of
the
39
60
percent
give
or
take
were
outside
of
the
city,
but
department-wide.
T
L
All
right,
so
I
know
there
are
other
counselors
that
have
questions,
so
I
just
you
know,
want
to
make
one
last
comment
and
that
in
the
last
10
years
I'm
sure
you
know
this-
we've
only
been
fully
staffed
for
one
day,
one
day
out
of
10
years
and
the
next
day
I
think
we
saw
a
few
retirements
and
we
were
short
staffed
again,
and
so
I
I
don't
know
where
we're
missing
the
mark,
I'm
not
sure-
and
you
know
I
know
you're
more
in
tune
with
your
department
than
I
ever
will
be,
but
I
think
we
need
to
start
looking
at
things
differently
and
maybe
do
things
differently,
maybe
think
outside
of
the
box,
for
lack
of
a
of
a
better
term
for
ways
to
to
keep
and
and
to
hire
more-
and
I
don't
know
what
that
answer
is,
but
you
know
clearly
you're
the
the
main
man
in
in
your
area,
and
I
hope
we
can
work
together
to
try
to
find
ways
to
improve
that
situation.
A
You
counselor,
I
just
want
to
ask
a
quick
question
so
to
the
point
that
we
have
higher
vacancies
now
than
we
did
two
years
ago.
We
also
so
the
last
two
years
we've
been
in
covid
and
one
or
both
of
those
years
we
didn't
have.
The
academy
was
not
operating,
and
so
we
didn't
have
the
usual
class
of
cadets.
Was
it
just
the
first
year
of
code.
T
Yes,
madam
chair
and
dc
valdez
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
but
I
believe
it
was
in
2021.
They
did
resume
the
the
academy
classes.
It
was
just
during
the
2020
2020.
I'm
sorry.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
that
probably
also
is
a
factor
in
terms
of
why
we
have
the
vacancy
rates
that
we
have
now,
because
we
didn't
have
that
that
that
class
coming
in
to
help.
T
Manager,
I
I
do
believe
that
to
be
another
reason
for
it,
because
we,
if
the
academy
isn't
operating,
then
we
we
can't
justify
hiring
the
cadets
to
send
them.
We
have
nowhere
to
send
them.
A
Right
right,
okay,
so
just
wanted
to
add
that
to
the
to
the
picture,
as
we
think
about
these
things,
I
don't
disagree
that
we
need
to
continue
to
be
thinking
about.
You
know
how
we
attract
how
we
retain
how
we
you
know
crack
this
nut,
but
just
adding
that
councilwoman.
K
Via
rail,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
chief
joy.
It's
refreshing
to
have
you
with
us
this
budget
season
such
a
different
vibe.
I
have
to
say
than
past
years.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
work
in
your
team.
I'm
going
to
start
off
easy
just
starting
with
the
question
about
the
the
vehicles
which
the
majority
of
that
budget
was
for
hybrid
vehicles.
Is
that
correct.
T
Madam
chair
councilman
villarreal,
yes,
I
believe,
that's
true
we're
looking
to
all
the
new
vehicles
for
patrol
and
for
our
investigations
personnel.
The
plan
is
for
them
all
to
be
hybrid
vehicles.
K
Great
and
so
just
curious,
because
we've
always
we're
shocked
by
the
amount
of
money
that
we
pay
for
fuel
costs.
So
I'm
curious
that
619
000
for
fuel
costs.
What
is
that,
compared
to
past
years
now
that
we
have
hybrid
vehicles
and
and
now
that
you're
budgeting
for
hybrid
vehicles,
I'm
wondering
if
you
all
re
reduced
the
amount
budgeted
or
kept
it
the
same.
D
Yes,
madam
chair
counselor,
thank
you
for
the
question
across.
I
believe
we
discussed
this
previously.
Maybe
on
the
first
day,
we
have
had
to
make
adjustments
to
fuel
to
energy
costs
and
totality
throughout
the
budget,
so
we
actually
added
given
the
challenges
that
were
seen
in
the
market.
Currently,
so
we've
actually
added
to
the
fuel
expenses.
We
do
anticipate.
I
believe
the
first
order
went
out
with
council
approving
approximately
four
million
dollar
bar
a
few
months
ago,
so
the
first
order
for
those
hybrid
vehicles
has
already
gone
out.
D
So
we
look
forward
to
monitoring
these
expenses
in
the
future.
Hopefully
that'll
bring
that
down-
and
I
see
mr
hopkins
is
also
ready
to
assist
in
answering
this
question.
V
Thank
you
director,
mccoy,
madam
chair
councilwoman,
villarreal.
Also.
I
will
note
that
there
is
a
substantial
lead
time
in
the
purchase
of
police
vehicles
because
of
all
the
equipment
that
has
to
be
added
to
them:
computers,
cameras,
light
bars,
just
all
kinds
of
stuff
and
pulling
all
that
together,
particularly
in
the
current
situation
with
supply
chain
issues
across
the
board.
It
will
probably
be
a
while,
you
know,
probably
not
until
late
in
fy
23
before
we
start
seeing
appreciable
fuel
savings
from
the
purchase
of
hybrid
vehicles,.
V
I
I
would
estimate
police
would
probably
have
a
better
estimate
than
I
would
on
this,
but
I
would
believe
it
would
probably
be
not
until
late
next
year
before
we
start
seeing
appreciable
savings
in
fuel
costs
for
police
vehicles.
K
Got
it
I'm
just
writing
that
down?
Okay,
all
right!
Moving
on
to
the
equipment
and
services
budget,
it
says
various
equipment
and
services,
but
it's
2.6
million
taking
out
the
axon
contract
which
I'll
ask
about
in
just
a
bit.
Can
you
tell
us
what
else
is
in
in
that
2.6
million.
T
X
K
U
Kelsey,
if
I
may
that's
going
to
be
for
our
police
service
dogs,
so
they
need
to
carry
certain
equipment
like
cones
signage,
so
they
can
say,
here's
where
they're
doing
the
training,
also
a
suit
for
them
to
utilize,
for
the
training
with
the
dog
to
do
deployments.
So
it's
going
to
be
utilized
because
they
can't
keep
it
all
in
their
vehicle.
So
it's
going
to
be
an
equipment
trailer
to
go
and
take
that
equipment
for
training
purposes.
A
W
Yeah
madame
chair
counselor,
via
rail,
it
also
includes
a
13
000
for
the
purchase
of
the
kennel.
K
Okay,
thank
you,
miss
bone,
so
then
related
to
exxon.
K
So
we
passed
the
budget.
That
was
what
5.5
million.
I
think
it
was
for
that
contract
and
all
the
bells
and
whistles
and
all
included.
So
can
you
tell
us,
is
this
1.1
million
in
addition
to
the
5.5
that
we
already
budgeted.
U
Madam
chair
counselor,
so
last
year
the
1.1
was
barred
over
and
now
the
1.1
that's
included
is
now
the
budgeted
amount
that
will
carry
forward
for
the
life
of
the
contract.
U
Once
we
get
to
the
end
like
the
contract,
then
we
will
see
what
the
cost
is
going
to
be
at
that
point,
if
we
need
to
negotiate
to
either
figure
out
what
that
price
is
going
to
be,
or
if
it's
going
to
stay
the
same
after
we
get
to
that
contract
run.
Now
it's
going
to
be
included
as
part
of
our
budget
because
it
was
barred
last
year
when
it
was
approved
for
implementation,
so
it
was
barred.
U
So
last
year
it
was
barred
because
it
was
not
included
in
our
budget
because
we
had
to
have
that
1.1
to
initiate
the
project
this
year,
we're
budgeting
that
cost
for
that
contract
and
that's
for
this
year
and
then
it's
going
to
have
to
be
part
of
our
budget
for
the
following
years
for
the
contract
so
year,
one
and
two
are
covered
now
years.
Three
four
and
five
will
be
included
in
fall
on
budgets
as
a
recurring
cost.
K
Okay
and
that's
a
five-year
contract-
correct,
yes,
counselor,
okay,
great,
I
would
ask
for
maybe
staff
to
present
or
give
us
an
update,
not
today,
but
maybe
at
quality
of
life,
about
how
that
contract
is
going,
how
it's
working
for
pd,
how
often
it's
used
and
in
terms
of
the
training
the
I
forgot,
what
you
call
it
the
I
keep
going
to
say
ia,
but
it's
not
vr
the
virtual
reality
tree
vr.
Thank
you,
the
vr
training,
but
I'd
love
to
get
an
update
about
that
in
one
of
our
meetings.
K
Since
it's
been
how
long
since
we've
implemented
the
you
know,
cameras
it's
up
to
gosh,
it
feels
like
forever.
Okay
feels
like
a
year
ago
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
okay,
but
I'd
love,
a
presentation
just
to
hear
how
that's
going.
Thank
you.
The
other
line
item
was
about
contracts.
It's
842,
000
for
contracts.
Can
you
tell
us
what
is
entailed
for
that?
K
T
Madam
chair
councilman,
via
raleigh,
I
believe
so
so.
The
major
contracts
that
we
hold
are
obviously
we
mentioned
solace.
The
detention
center
is
another
large
one.
The
public
safety
psychology
group
pspg,
that's
another
major
contract
that
we
we
hold
and
I
can
go
down
through
the
whole
list.
If
you
would
like
those
are
the
major
contracts.
T
Sure
that
is
with
dr
troy,
rogers,
and
that
is
a
services
that
we
utilize
for
our
staff.
They
also
help
us
with
training
for
the
crisis,
intervention
techniques,
the
cit
training-
and
they
also,
we
have
an
open
contract
for
counseling
for
our
officers
and
we
utilize
them
pretty
extensively.
T
T
Yes,
ma'am
pspg,
I'm
not
sure
ms
bowen
can
help
me
with
the
exact
number
on
that
one.
W
Madam
chair
counselor,
via
royale,
that
is
20
000.
W
For
the
psychology
we
also
use
dr
cave,
who
has
a
contract
for
psychology
as
well
and
then
20
000
for
the
one-on-one
counseling.
K
U
Counselors,
so
those
contracts
include
our
rental
agreements
for
our
office
at
the
solid
center
for
special
victims
unit
detectives.
It
also
includes
a
space
that
we
have
for
the
offices
at
the
shelter
for
animal
services
officers
as
well,
and
then
it
has
the
associating
contracts
that
we
have
with
them
for
services
provided
the
one
for
the
animal
services
for
the
veterinarian
service
that
one's
pretty
costly,
because
costs
have
gone
up.
So
we
did
negotiate
that
this
past
year,
like
chief
joy,
mentioned
as
well.
U
The
detention
contract
is
a
large
contract
as
well,
but
those
are
mostly
for
those
types
of
services
are
provided.
The
large
ones
again
are
animal
shelter
for
both
rental
space
and
services,
the
solace
contract
for
both
rental
space
and
then
80
000.
Currently,
we're
going
to
be
increasing
that
service
up
to
100
000,
to
meet
the
capacities
that
we
have.
Those
will
be
our
major
contracts,
but
we
have
some
other
smaller
contracts
in
there
that
range
anywhere
in
costs
from
20
000
per
year.
U
To
maybe
you
know
within
that
range,
but
the
vast
majority
for
the
ones
that
he
listed
before.
Thank
you
dc.
K
Valdez
for
the
details
that
that's
helpful
and
just
to
clarify
the
solace
crisis
service,
that
was
our
formerly
our
firmware
contract
called
sand
face
with
santa
fe
safe.
Is
that
correct.
U
No
counselor,
I
believe
it's
a
different
contract.
I
don't
think
we
house
that
one
in
police
department
ours
is
mostly
for
assisting
us
with
victims
of
domestic
violence,
sexual
assaults
and
doing
that
type
of
work.
K
Excellent,
so
is,
is
that
santa
fe
safe
contract
still
with
us
director
ochoa
or
is
that
a
different
madam
chair,
councilman
vienelle,
I'm
not
familiar
with
that
contract.
Can
you
describe
the
services
yeah?
Well?
Actually
it
was
similar
to
what
solace
was
doing.
It
may
have
been
under
the
umbrella.
It's
I
don't
know
why
I'm
blanking
on
a
name
but
the
person
that
was
actually
helping
you
with
the
contract
services.
Ms
lewis,.
E
Yes,
thank
you
mountain
chair
councilwoman.
I
can
actually
speak
to
that.
We
have
contracted
with
miss
lewis
out
of
the
community
services
admin
budget,
contractual
services
to
do
some
work
with
us
on
really
looking
at
domestic
violence
and
what
we
need
to
do
as
a
community
to
respond
to
it,
both
with
our
non-profit
partners
and
within
the
police
department.
The
police
department's
been
very
responsive
in
terms
of
providing
policies
looking
at
potentially
adding
service
lines
to
help
bolster
that
important
community
safety
response.
E
We
also
have
a
violence
prevention,
we're
working
on
research
and
development,
around
violence
prevention
in
the
community,
and
that
includes
a
look
at
domestic
violence.
So
it'll,
one
of
the
nice
things
about
the
community
health
and
safety
department
umbrella
here,
is
that
we're
able
to
more
closely
coordinate
the
work
that
pd
is
already
doing
with
solace,
with
the
domestic
violence,
research
and
development,
we're
doing
in
community
services
and
hopefully
come
up
this
coming
year
with
a
more
robust
response
to
violence
in
general
in
the
community
and
domestic
violence
in
particular,.
E
K
E
Else,
madam
chair
councilwoman,
yes
previously,
I
believe
that
she
had
been
attached
to
that
contract.
They
internally
identified
and
she
herself
identified
that
that
was
not
the
most
effective
use
of
her
time.
So
we
contracted
with
her
separately
to
be
able
to
look
a
little
more
globally,
both
at
pd
and
work
in
coordination
with
them,
but
also
again
with
the
rest
of
the
partners
in
the
community.
K
Yep,
that's
great
to
hear
I
I
figured
that
was
the
case.
Thank
you
for
that
clarity
and
then
there's
a
budget
item
for
I
was
just
curious.
What's
a
groundskeeper
service,
what
does
that
entail.
U
Counselor
so
with
kovid
again
we
saw
what
the
capacity
the
city
had.
We
usually
would
partner
with
the
streets,
maintenance,
crews,
and
they
would
take
care
of
our
grounds
that
we
have
throughout
the
city.
We
have
about
five
facilities
that
need
upkeep.
We
saw
with
their
capacity
limitations.
They
had
a
really
hard
time
trying
to
take
care
of
us
and
the
rest
of
city
as
well.
U
So
we're
trying
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we
have
a
groundskeeper
that
can
assist
us
with,
for
one
making
sure
our
facilities
look
professional.
It
has
a
good
appearance
when
our
staff
come
it's
something
that
helps
with
morale
for
one,
but
secondly,
two
once
in
a
while,
especially
this
year,
we
get
a
snap
over
the
over
the
evening
hours
and
the
next
morning
we
have
snow
and
ice
out
there
so
having
someone
that
can
come
out
to
shovel
off
those
hazards,
so
no
one
can
get
hurt.
U
Those
are
things
we're
looking
to
go
and
get
addressed
because
some
of
our
facilities
we've
had
to
wait
for
long
periods
of
time
to
get
it
done,
and
it
was
just
really
hard
and
we
knew
that
the
staff
that
we
relied
on
they
were
unable
to
assist
us.
They
tried
as
best
they
could.
They
come
in
help
us
out
as
best
they
could.
U
But
this
is
something
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
we
can
maintain
a
professional
appearance
and
also
just
maintain
the
good,
a
good
safety
mechanism
in
place
when,
like
snow
happens
or
even
like
the
the
trees
as
well.
If
limbs
come
too
low,
we
need
people
to
take
care
of
those
things,
so
it
doesn't
create
a
safety
hazard.
U
Well,
we
want
our
approach
like
I've
been
to
city
hall.
I
love
that
they
have
annuals,
so
I'd
love
for
them
to
put
some
annuals
out
on
the
front,
but
here
at
the
police
department,
there's
a
number
of
things
we've
done
in
our
lobby
to
make
sure
it's
a
bit
more
easy
for
people
to
access
services.
U
There
were
some
safety
concerns
that
we
had
with
a
few
individuals
that
came
to
make
some
threats,
so
we
do
have
some
safety
protocols
in
place,
but
we're
making
sure
that
we
have
good
communication
when
people
do
come
to
our
door,
they're
able
to
get
access
to
the
lobby
it's
secured,
and
so
that
way
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
here
getting
services
and
our
employees
are
both
provided
some
safety,
while
doing
so.
K
Thank
you
for
that
good
to
know.
Moving
on
to
the
moving
on
to
the
overtime
budget,
which
is
1.1
million,
and
I
asked
the
theme
of
fire,
I'm
just
curious
how
you
all
came
arrived
at
that
number.
T
Madam
chair
councilman,
via
rail,
that
is
based
on
the
average
of
the
previous
three
years.
You
can
see.
I
get
my
stuff
kind
of
scattered
all
about,
but
we.
T
When
you
look
at
not
just
what
was
allotted
to
us,
but
what
we
ended
up
spending
and
going
over
at
least
a
couple
of
the
years,
so
the
the
current
for
fiscal
year
23
it's
an
average
of
the
past
three
years,
based
on
the
average
of
the
past
three
years.
K
So
past
three,
the
past
two
years
we
didn't
have
events
so
that
went
down
in
terms
of
having
to
be
at
events.
K
T
We're
we're
expecting
from
what
we're
seeing
already
with
planning
with
constituent
services
and
our
support
operations.
It's
going
to
be
people
are
making
up
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
Yes,.
K
K
I'm
happy
to
hear
about.
I
think,
at
this
point
in
time
the
police
station
and
having
a
downtown
presence
is
a
good
thing.
Can
you
tell
me
more,
though,
the
100k
that
goes
to
the
the
quote
substation,
it's
really
as
we're
told
more
of
an
office,
but
can
you
tell
me
how
it's
going
to
be
utilized
by
police,
the
police
team.
T
Sure
and
right
now
we're
still
very
early
in
the
planning
stages
of
how
we're
going
to
utilize
this,
but
we're
looking
at
it
a
couple
of
different
options
to
both
as
a
as
kind
of
a
hub
for
the
bike
team.
So
that
would
be
their
primary
location
that
they
would
operate
out
of,
but
then
also
for
our
north
side
officers.
For
those,
I'm
sure
everybody
does
know.
T
But
we
we
separate
the
town
into
for
our
patrol.
We
have
north
side
officers
and
south
side
officers,
and
so
right
now
our
north
side
officers
don't
really
have
a
station
to
to
kind
of
call
home
and
operate
out
of
as
a
hub.
And
so
this
would
be
a
place
that
they
can
use
as
a
for
their
general
office
needs,
but
also
to
meet
folks
on
the
north
side.
T
Who
don't
want
to
come
all
the
way
to
the
south
station
and
make
an
imperson
report
or
don't
want
officers
going
to
their
house
and
just
again
just
kind
of
that
that
presence,
downtown
for
ease
of
use
and
access
for
everybody.
K
Great
good
to
know,
and
then
there
was
bless
you
there
was
a
question
about
or
an
idea
that
the
trying
to
think
the
rally
yard
area
at
the
train
depot
that
that
would
be
used
potentially
for
a
substation.
T
Yes,
ma'am
that
was
used
for
a
time
and
again
that
was
used
mostly
by
our
bike
officers,
and
this
can
go
back
to
randy.
Randall
can
speak
more
of
this
than
I
can
better
this,
but
it,
I
think,
the
the
location
itself.
T
We
gave
that
back
up
our
bike
team
because
and
I'm
going
on
about
the
operations
of
our
bike
team
and
how
I
use
them
all
over
the
city,
but
this
that
was
more
as
an
office
space
specifically
for
the
bike
team,
whereas
this
location
is
going
to
be
for
the
bike
team
also,
but
the
rest
of
our
north
side
officers.
K
K
I
think
what's
overall,
a
lot
of
these
items
make
sense.
You
know
how
you
all
know
how
I
feel
about
the
inequities
of
the
budget
increases
for
staff
positions,
because
I
think
all
of
our
team,
as
in
city
family,
are
important
to
try
to
be
able
to
keep
here
and
increases
are
important
for
everybody,
and
so
the
sixteen
percent
was
really
hard
for
me,
mostly
because
I'm
looking
at
how
we
all
play
an
integral
part
of
supporting
the
health
and
well-being
of
our
city.
K
So
I'm
hoping
that
with
this
change,
you
know,
we've
been
looking
at
increases
through
the
past
years
and
it
hasn't
shifted
as
much
as
as
council
revetta
had
had
indicated,
and
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
a
time
where
we're
not
throwing
money
at
the
issues
and
when
I
think
about
like
justification
of
like
where
we're
at
where
we
want
to
go,
it
always
helps
to
have
data,
and
I
feel
like
we
never
have
the
data
we
need
to
show
and
make
a
case
for
something
I
feel
like.
K
We
are
taking
shots
in
the
dark
and
that's
no
pun
intended
when
we're
not
really
like
having
an
informed
decision
with
with
data,
and
so
I
have
a
hard
time
with
this.
We
don't
get
things
information
and
ahead
of
time,
there's
no
like
data
points
that
show
like
what's
happening
with
our
staff
retention
rates,
turnover
rates.
Why
things
happen
what's
being
tracked
with
our
exit
interviews
and
I
guess
for
recruitment
tools,
I
always
think.
Well.
Why
are
we
explaining
the
whole
package
instead
of
just
saying?
Oh,
the
state's
doing
it
16?
K
K
I
don't
think
I
hope
you
all
use
this
as
a
recruiting
tool,
but
you
know
we
were
talking
about
this
and
our
task
force
meeting
and
part
of
it
was
like
not
thinking
about
how
even
with
p-e-r-p-e-r-a
contributions
the
city
actually
pays
a
higher
match
and
that
in
itself
is
an
incentive.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
looking
at
a
full
package
of
how
we
like
recruit
and
tell
people
about
the
advantages
of
working
with
the
city,
not
just
with
police
but
all
our
departments.
K
K
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
known
that
that's
frustrating
for
me
because
through
my
time
and
tenure
on
the
council,
we've
continuously
made
pay
increases
and
it
still
feels
like
we're
still
dealing
with
the
same
situation
except
we're
moving
chairs
on
the
deck
as
they
say
so.
There's
there's
that
issue
that
I've
just
felt
like
it's
frustrating,
but
I
don't
know
if
director
salazar
has
anything
to
add
to
that.
Y
Y
We
talk
about
the
leap
benefits,
so
we
definitely
promote
the
very
generous
benefits
package
for
all
incoming
hires
and
potential
hires.
Y
K
That's
great
to
hear:
yes,
I
think
that's
an
advantage
that
we
have
over
the
state
for
sure
I
I
guess
my
last
comment
is
just
hoping
that
the
police
union
will
look
at
with
this
hefty
increase,
that
they
consider
giving
the
highest
bunk
to
the
lowest
paid
positions
and
really
equalizing
that
for
them
we
don't
get
to
be
part
of
that
conversation,
so
I'm
hoping
that
that's
kind
of
how
they'll
be
structuring
it
and
hoping
that
this
will
make
a
change
as
well
as
the
I
would
like
to
know.
K
Eventually,
if
you
all
end
up
doing
a
survey,
maybe
not
the
same
structure
of
survey,
they
did
for
fire,
but
really
understanding
how
many
of
our
police
officers
would
be
willing
to
relocate
if
they
did
get
the
down
payment,
assistance
and
understanding
how
much
that
actually
would
be.
So,
if
you
are,
are
you
all
planning
to
do
some
kind
of
survey.
T
Council
via
rail,
yes
and
I've
spoken
with
past
president
hildebrandt,
and
we
did
get
preliminary
results
from
the
survey
that
they
put
out
on
regarding
this
topic
and
they
had
again
39
ever
answered
so
far
of
the
39.
K
Maybe
maybe
chief
joy
when
it's
complete,
then
you
can
give
us
some
of
the
results
because
it
might
not
make
sense
with
just
the
partial
again
the
questions
I
think
we'd
need
to
look
at
it
more
holistically
but
yeah.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
just
kind
of
see
that
first,
maybe
just
first
perspectives
of
the
of
that
survey.
Sure.
P
A
Second
promotion,
a
second
to
approve
the
police
department
budget
is:
can
we
get
a
roll
call?
Please.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
That
budget
is
been
approved
by
the
finance
committee.
That
is
the
only
the
community
health
and
safety
department
is
the
only
budgetary
item
on
the
agenda
today.
So
we
have
finished
our
work.
I
will
just
preview.
We
are
going
to
use
our
extra
day
next
week.
As
you're
aware,
we
will
be
meeting
on
tuesday
at
one
o'clock
to
discuss
the
15
million
dollars
in
arpa
funding.
The
city
is
getting
and
to
review
the
priorities
and
the
budget
adjustment
requests
to
get
that
moving
and
out
the
door.
A
We
will
be
getting
packet
material,
so
keep
an
eye
on
your
email,
and
there
was
something
else
I
wanted.
Oh,
that
is
not
part
of
the
fy
23
budget.
That
is
again
a
budget
adjustment
request
for
fy22,
which
is
the
current
budget
year
we
are
in,
but
I
I
I
think
these
things
are
complementary
and
we
will.
A
It
will
be
important
for
us
to
have
the
foundation
that
we
have
developed
over
the
last
two
weeks
with
the
with
the
year
coming
and
how
this
15
million
dollars
will
aid
in
the
coming
years
priorities
and
how
we
can
get
a
jump
start
in
some
of
these
areas.
So
with
that
preview
of
coming
events,
we
are
adjourned.
K
Yes,
when
are
we
getting
the
questions
we've
been
asking?
Usually
it
does?
It
doesn't
help
to
get
them
the
day
of
because
it
doesn't
allow
us
to
look
and
absorb
the
information
that
we've
requested.
So
I'd
like
to
get
that
mccoy.
D
A
D
Madam
chair
counselor,
what
will
be
in
the
packet
for
the
meeting
next
week
are
the
budgets
by
department,
division
and
category
what
you
have
available
in
the
budget
book
and
the
format
of
a
memo
and
a
packet
for
folks
that
are
tuning
in
next
wednesday
to
be
able
to
view
that
being
said,
and
it's
one
of
consolidated
packets
very
standard.
What
we've
done
previously,
it
also
will
include
the
organizational
chart.
I
think
that
that
about
covers
it.
As
far
as
the
supplementary
material,
some
of
that
information
has
already
been
emailed
out.
D
I've
seen
those
emails
going
across
and
everything
that
is
outstanding.
Some
of
the
questions
were
answered.
For
example,
yesterday
during
the
committee
hearing
and
the
outstanding
items
will
be
emailed
out,
we
don't
have
a
exact
date
on
when
those
will
be
emailed
out
the
counselor
via
royale.
I
do
hear
you
that
it's
not
helpful
to
have
that
the
day
of
the
budget
vote
so
we'll
get
we'll
do
our
best
to
get
that
before
then.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
believe
now.