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A
B
D
A
E
Yes,
madam
chair,
we
will
be
postponing
arpa
to
tuesday
april
26th.
That
was
the
first
item
up
on
the
agenda.
Today
we
will
be
focusing
on
community
development
and
the
five
departments,
including
affordable
housing,
arts
and
culture
planning
and
land
use,
economic
development
and
tourism.
I
think
that
is
the
focus
for
today.
A
Great
and
I
think,
there's
plenty
there
to
keep
us
busy
for
the
next
few
hours
so
with
that
change.
If
there
aren't
other
changes
or
other
questions,
if
we
could
get
a
motion,
please
move
to
approve
as
amended.
Second,
we
have
a
motion,
a
second
to
approve
the
agenda
as
amended.
If
we
could
get
a
roll
call,
please
answer
via
rail.
Yes,.
A
Yes,
all
right,
as
I
mentioned
this
is
day
four
week.
Two
of
these
budget
hearings.
We've
covered
a
lot
of
ground.
We
still
have
a
lot
of
work
yet
to
do
many
departments
and
divisions
yet
to
hear
from
and
in
addition,
we
need
to
circle
back
tomorrow
on
two
of
the
budgets
that
were
problematic
last
week.
A
So
we've
got
a
another
full
week
and
then
next
we
will
be
using
our
extra
day
on
tuesday
to
look
at
the
arpa
funding,
the
federal
money
that's
coming
to
us
and
how
that
will
be
utilized.
So
again,
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
your
attention
and
your
work
very,
very
important,
as
as
we
look
to
the
priorities
and
understanding
the
budget
for
next
year,
and
so
again
my
job
will
be
to
try
to
keep
an
eye
on
the
time
and
keep
us
moving.
A
Please
be
respectful
of
each
other
and
and
the
time
that
we
have
allotted
to
get
through
all
this
work,
because
it
is
considerable.
So
with
that,
I
believe
we
can
move
right
into
the
first
community
development
budget,
and
I
don't
know
director
mccoy
is
there
or
director
brown?
Is
there
an
order?
Do
you
want
to
do
these
in
the
order
they
appear
in
the
budget
book
in
the
order
that
they
appear
on
the
attachments?
E
We
do
have
a
presentation
that
was
uploaded
to
the
agenda
and
we'll
be
following
that
order,
and
that
being
said,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
director
brown
for
some
opening
remarks.
Yeah.
G
And
then
I'm
sure,
if
you
may
indulge
me
and
welcome
to
everyone
in
the
the
members,
I
have
just
a
quick
opening
remark.
So
thank
you
very
much
at
the
community
development
department.
G
Our
mission
is
to
and
continues
to
be,
creating
a
santa
fe
where
business
residents
and
tourists
thrive
through
effective
land
use,
housing,
affordability,
arts
and
culture
available
jobs,
business
expansion
and
resiliency,
and
over
the
last
fiscal
year
the
community
development
department
has
a
few
accomplishments
that
map
to
some
of
the
highlights
of
the
city's
budget
moving
forward
under
creating
housing
and
livable
neighborhoods
balanced
with
graceful
growth.
We've
prepared
a
city-owned
landfill
lot
in
a
historic
neighborhood
for
a
donation
to
a
development
team
to
propose
five
affordable
homes
over
250
homes.
Affordable
homes
are
under
construction.
G
Over
half
of
them
are
inclusionary
homes
of
13
homeowners,
with
very
low
incomes,
most
of
them
elderly
we're
assisted
with
home
repair.
27
families
have
become
home
buyers
using
city
provided
down
payment
assistance.
We've
completed
a
franchise
agreement
with
fexus
fiber
to
install
fiber
optics
city-wide,
and
the
city
was
awarded
two
main
street
urban
quarter
grants
to
create
a
great
place,
making
in
airport,
road
and
cida
ruffina
under
creating
jobs
and
rewarding
careers.
G
We've
secured
a
four-year
contract
with
youth
works
and
we've
funded
and
sponsored
over
25
entrepreneur,
accelerator
projects,
industry
programs,
summer
events
and
festivals
under
helping
those
who
need
the
most
santa
fe
suites
opens
its
doors.
It
opened
the
doors
122
renters,
including
40
residents,
who've,
experienced
homelessness
over
300
renters,
kept
their
homes
or
found
new
ones
with
payment
for
rents,
utilities,
errors
and
deposits,
and
we've
completed
the
atocha
mobile
home
park.
Public
wi-fi
project
with
eight
more
locations
to
go
under
land
use
guidance
to
support
our
community's
desired
future
state.
G
We
have
moved
to
online
electronic
application.
Submittals
director
club
can
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail,
but
I
think
we've
processed
over
5
000
building
permits
and
bought
in
about
6.7
million
dollars
in
permit
fees
under
economic
development.
We've
created
and
drafted
cannabis
legislation
to
with
a
path
to
move
forward
over
100
business
advisory
connections
have
been
made.
G
We
renewed
our
business
contract
with
santa
fe
business
incubator
and
under
adding
capacity
we
have
a
new
land
use
director,
jason
cook
and
also
we
have
two
new
hires
in
affordable
housing
and
we
have
one
new
business
growth
manager
in
economic
development,
a
new
assistant
developer
development
director
in
the
office
of
economic
development.
So
we
will
start
in
that
order
that
director
mccoy
said:
affordable
housing,
arts
and
culture,
economic
development,
land
use
and
planning
and
end
with
tourism,
and
with
that
I
can
turn
it
over
to
director
ladd.
D
A
If
you
and
I
I
think,
if
you
could
go
through
a
little
bit
of
some
of
the
pull-outs
on
the
affordable
housing
budget,
that
would
just
be
helpful
for
kind
of
setting
the
table
as
it
were,.
D
Madam
chair
I'd
be
happy
to,
I
think,
the
the
only
addition
to
our
budget.
We
have
a
big
planning
year
coming
up.
We
will
be
updating
our
five-year
strategic
plan,
which
is
something
we
do
for
the
state
of
new
mexico
to
be
compliant
with
the
exemption
to
the
anti-donation
clause,
the
new
mexico,
affordable
housing
act.
We
will
also
be
updating
our
five-year
plan
for
the
department
of
housing
and
urban
development.
D
This
is
a
condition
of
our
community
development
block,
grant
entitlement
funding
that
we
get
every
year
from
hud,
so
we
are
asking
for
an
expansion
to
pay
for
the
for
the
consultants
to
do
to
do
the
housing
needs
assessment
and
the
fair
market,
I'm
sorry,
fair
housing
assessment
and
all
of
the
market
analysis
for
these
two
major
plans
that
we're
doing
this
year.
I
think
what
shows
up
on
our
budget.
That
seems
alarming.
Is
this
gigantic
decrease,
but
that
is
just
described
in
the
the
highlights
from
director
mccoy.
D
We
had
some
prior
year
funds
that
we
were
able
to
carry
forward
to
address
some
one-time
needs
related
to
responding
to
covid
last
year,
and
so
that's
why
it
appears
that
we
have
less
funding
this
year,
but
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
in
this
proposed
budget
is
still
funded
at
the
3
million
dollar
mark,
and
this
is
about
over
a
50
increase
from
pre-pandemic
pre-2019
funding.
So
it's
we're
still
well-funded
and
moving
forward
with
some
some
really
great
projects
and
and
affordable
housing
supports
in
the
upcoming
year.
A
Okay,
I
think
we
can
stop
sharing
the
screen.
We
can
always
go
back
if
we
need
to
reference
something.
A
And
are
there
questions
from
the
committee?
F
F
Are
you
okay
with
that?
I
assume
you
are
it's
part
of
the
budget,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure.
D
Madam
chair
counselor
rivera.
Thank
you
for
asking
that
question.
This
is
actually
the
first
time
we've
had
staff
in
three
years,
so
I'm
beside
myself
with
happiness
having
all
five
positions
filled,
so
we're
just
our
newest
staff.
Member
joined
us
a
little
over
a
month
ago.
So
we
will,
you
know
who
knows
maybe
next
year,
we'll
have
a
bunch
more
work
for
an
additional
staff
member,
but
right
now
we're
we're
we're
getting
up
to
speed
and
it's
actually
super
exciting.
F
I
think
you
just
wanted
to
double
check
on
that
and
then
in
the
hr
budget
there
there
was
a
budget
set
aside
for
housing
down
payment
for
public
safety,
and
I
was
thinking
that
would
be
better
suited
for
your
department
and
my
somewhat
okay.
Am
I
thinking
about
that?
Or
is
that?
Should
that
be
somewhere
else?.
D
Madam
chair
counselor,
that
is
certainly
something
our
my
department
already
does
through
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
and
our
community
development
block
grant.
We
administer
funding
for
several
down
payment
assistance
programs.
At
this
point,
I
think
this.
D
The
idea
behind
this
program
is
still
some
of
the
the
details
are
still
to
be
worked
out,
whether
it's
considered
an
employee
benefit
or
whether
it's
considered
a
subsidy,
and
that
would
require
a
slightly
different
format
for
administering,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
funding
we
will
have
a
provider
to
help
us
with
the
actual
intake
process,
the
figuring
out
with
the
eligibility
or
upholding
the
eligibility
requirements
and
and
helping
folks
navigate
the
housing
market,
so
that
won't
that
piece
won't
be
done
in-house
and
we
only
have
as
limited
as
everyone
is
well
familiar
with.
D
We
have
a
wonderful
home
ownership
support
network
here
in
santa
fe,
provided
by
home
wise
the
housing
trusts
habitat
for
humanity
on
the
homeownership
side,
so
it
is
likely
to
be
either
one
of
those
agencies
or
a
combination
of
those
agencies.
In
the
past,
all
three
have
helped
kind
of
on
a
one-time,
first-time
first-come,
first-served
basis
to
bring
eligible
clients
forward
for
the
down
payment
assistance.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
councilwoman,
villarreal,.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
director,
ladd
for
your
presentation.
Can
I
just
have
two
clarifying
questions.
You
talked
about
the
fair
housing
assessment
that
will
need
to
happen
this
year.
So
is
that
cl
consultation
contract
for
150
000?
For
that
purpose,
or
is
there
something
else
that's
you're
thinking
for
the
what
you
listed
as
affordable,
housing
planning
or
someone
listed
as
affordable
housing
planning.
D
Madam
chair
counselor,
via
real,
that's
a
great
question.
The
assessment
for
fair
housing
is
a
federal
requirement,
so
it's
attached
to
our
community
development
block,
grant
entitlement
funding
and
the
five-year
consolidated
plan,
which
you
are
well
familiar
with
of
everyone
on
this
screen.
Probably
so
so
the
the
same
consultant
would
likely
do
pieces
of
of
that
plan
and
the
assessment
of
fair
housing,
because
they
are,
they
do
go
together,
hand
in
hand
the
market
needs.
D
Analysis
would
be
done
prior
to
the
consolidated
plan
for
the
five-year
strategic
plan
and
the
the
idea
is
that
we
would
hire
the
same
consultant
to
do
that
analysis.
That
would
pertain
to
both
plans.
So
it
may
be
one
consultant
that
does
all
of
it
or
we
may
have
two
different
consultants.
It
just
kind
of
depends
on
what
the
capacity
in
that
consultant
world
looks
like
okay,
so.
D
Madam
chair
counselor,
via
real,
yes,
because
we
also
like
to
write
part
of
the
plan
ourselves.
We
want
to
be
able
to
control
and
direct
the
the
goal.
Setting
process
as
well,
as
you
know,
we're
pretty
well.
We've
got
good
good
writers
on
on
staff
so
and-
and
we
understand
the
services
delivery
landscape
better
than
a
consultant
would
so
we
tend
to
take
all
of
that
narrative
piece.
We
do
ourselves
great.
Yes,
that
was
my
concern.
B
Too,
okay
and
then
go
ahead.
D
Counselor
al,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
the
consultants,
particularly
one
that
we've
worked
with
in
the
past
who's,
currently
working
with
the
mfa
to
do
the
statewide
plan.
They
are
super
super
helpful
in
pulling
out
the
data
for
us
and
formatting
it
in
a
way.
That's
useful
and
then
they'll
provide
some
recommendations,
because
these
numbers
look
like
this.
D
This
could
mean
this
or
it
could
mean
that
or
here's
a
response
to
this
or
that
so
so,
they're
they're
providing
some
some
guidance
but
really
they're
handing
us
the
data
in
a
usable
format
which
is
way
better
than
I
can
do,
because
by
the
time
I
figure
out
where
it
is
and
download
it.
It's
this
insane
excel
spreadsheet
and
I
don't
really
understand
what
it
means.
So
so
that's
kind
of
where
that
level
of
expertise
comes
in.
B
Great,
thank
you
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
is
just
to
clarify.
There's
a
bullet
point
that
said
about
funding
to
provide
affordable
housing
subsidies
through
the
general
fund
so
and
then
also
through
the
cdbg.
So
we
have
the
cppg
funding.
So
what
exactly
and
how
much
is
the
what's
called
the
affordable
housing
subsidies.
D
Madam
chair
council,
via
real,
that's
a
that
that
that
I
agree
that's
a
little
confusing.
If
I
were
to
rewrite
it,
I
would
probably
include
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
connected
specifically
to
the
subsidies.
D
However,
over
the
the
past
year
with
covid,
we
did
use
some
general
funds
to
help
pay
for
the
admin
costs
of
administering
the
subsidies,
because
it
is
a
big
lift
for
the
nonprofits,
as
you
know,
to
be
able
to
do
all
that
work
to
us
to
provide
the
assistance
and
get
the
money
where
it
needs
to
go
so
the
it
is.
D
We
use
the
j,
they
all
have
their
own
lane
each
source
of
funding,
but
there
are
places
where
they
overlap
or
we'll
use
some
of
the
general
fund
to
provide
that
administrative
services
programming
for
the
subsidy
piece,
because
our
trust
funds
cannot
be
used
for
administrative
costs
or
programming
costs.
So
it's
it's
handy
to
have
them
both
kind
of
hand
in
hand
like
that.
B
Okay,
so
I
don't
know
if
that
if
you
wrote
that
or
if
mary
could
explain
that,
because
we
do
have
one
section
here
or
a
bullet
point
about,
the
three
million
would
be
allocated
to
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
And
then
this
next
bullet
talks
about
cdbg
and
that
there
would
be
affordable
housing
subsidies
to
the
general
fund.
So
I'm
still
not.
E
Quite
sure
what
that
means,
madam
chair
counselor,
I
think
alex
laud
explained
it
best
that
we
use
our
general
fund
to
support
some
of
the
administrative
costs.
Is
that
the
only
thing
then.
D
Go
ahead
alex
thank
you
counselor
via
real
it.
The
general
funds
are
used
for
the
services
programming,
so
the
homeownership
support
services
currently
are
provided
by
homewise
in
the
housing.
D
Trust
we'll
do
an
rfp
this
spring
to
because
we'll
we
do
that
every
four
years
to
see,
if
there's
anyone
else
out
there
that
want
who
wants
to
provide
the
services
also
the
general
fund
is,
is
we
use
it
for
the
professional
contracts,
which
would
be
where
the
the
consultants
would
come
in
to
provide
the
assessment
and
the
data
for
our
planning
process
got
it?
Okay,
thanks.
B
For
the
clarity,
I
think
that's
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Second,
we
have
a
motion
from
councilwoman
villarreal,
a
second
from
councillor
lindell,
to
approve
the
affordable
housing
budget
that
sits
within
the
community
development
department.
If
we
could
get
a
roll
call,
please.
F
A
At
least
from
this
committee,
thank
you
on
the
governing
body
all
right
next
up,
I
believe
director
brown
is
arts
and
culture.
Am
I
correct,
that's
correct
manager.
Do
you
have
a
lead
in
on
that?
One
too.
G
I
don't
I
did
my
preamble
first
and
so
miss
kamiyah
is
next
so
great.
B
Great
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
counselors,
thank
you
so
much
very
pleased
to
be
here
today
with
a
more
positive
outlook
as
rio
city
recovers,
and
definitely
with
our
arts
and
culture
community
throughout
both
organizations
and
individuals,
very
pleased
that
our
two
vacant
positions
will
actually
be
funded
for
next
fiscal
year
with
the
option
of
one
and
that
will
look
into
a
splitting
into
two
part-time.
B
Can
I
get
the
next
slide
please
so
other
highlights
that
I'd
like
to
bring
to
attention
is
that
we
did
receive
funds
for
art
and
public
places
program,
and
that
program
is
expansive.
It's
not
just
putting
side
specific
artwork
or
art
purchases,
but
could
do
other
types
of
workshops
and
hands-on
things
in
the
creation
of
arts
and
culture
which
again
will
be
used
for
cultural
tourism
and
the
promotion
of
that
as
well
as
quality
of
life
within
the
city
for
our
residents,
as
well
as
our
visitors.
B
We're
also
very
pleased
that,
and
our
commitment
to
our
cultural
investment
funding
program
in
advertising
has
been
increased
by
a
hundred
thousand,
so
each
year
will
be
asking
for
an
additional
hundred
thousand
back
before
the
pandemic.
B
That
level
of
funding
to
support
arts
and
culture
nonprofits
was
almost
a
million
dollars
it
then,
in
fiscal
year
20
went
down
to
320
this
current
fiscal
year.
It's
at
4,
35,
and
so
next
fiscal
year
will
be
back
up
to
half
a
million
and,
as
our
economy
grows
stronger,
we
will
be
able
to
further
support
those
arts
and
culture
depart
communities
and
nonprofits
who
bring
a
lot
of
that
creative
economy
dollars
into
the
city.
B
So
very
pleased
about
that
and
as
we're
getting
very
excited
for
june,
we
will
be
reopening
the
gallery
with
an
amazing
show.
That's
also
in
conjunction
with
the
tara
congress,
which
will
be
looking
at
adobe
structure
throughout
northern
new
mexico.
So
we
will
also
be
having
a
more
active
artist,
workforce,
development
and
professional
development
training.
B
So
that
helps
us
to
do
that
and
then
the
other
components
of
what
we
do
with
arts
and
culture
include
the
city
historian,
poet,
laureate,
definitely,
culture
connects
and
the
cultural
tourism
campaign
famous,
as
well
as
arts,
education
and
use
artworks
as
well.
So
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
we're
just
very
pleased
with
this
budget.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
If
we
can
stop
sharing
screen,
you
can
always
come
back
and
I
I'm
glad
you're
happy
about
this
budget.
I
do
remember
those
that
first
year
was
pretty
brutal
and
and
emotional.
I
think,
because
of
what
had
to
happen
because
of
the
revenue
situation
we
were
in,
so
I'm
glad
that
we're
turning
the
page
there.
We
do
have
a
number
of
committee
members
with
questions
counselor
lindell.
I
Chair,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
What
are
the
new,
the
two
new
positions
that
are
funded.
B
Madam
chair
counselor
lindell
the
two
vacant
positions
that
have
been
unfunded.
One
was
an
art
service
coordinator,
that's
a
title
and
the
other
one
was
a.
I
believe
the
community
gallery
manager
title
I'm
looking
to
my
proposal,
is
to
change
those
titles
to
look
at
an
art
and
public
places,
program
manager
and
then
the
other
part.
B
B
Madam
chair
councillor,
lindell,
that
is
my
proposal,
and
so
they
are
categories,
a
classification,
so
one
classification
is
as
an
art
service
coordinator
and
then
the
other
position,
which
is
a
gallery
service
manager,
I
believe,
is
I
don't
remember.
The
classification
or
the
range
salary
range
band
that
it's
in.
B
In
the
past
we
did
sorry,
madam
chair
councillor,
lindell,
that
was
the
former
position
of
assistant
manager,
rod,
lambert
and
so
assistant
director
lambert
has
been
doing
both
of
his
duties
as
an
assistant
director,
as
well
as
still
running
the
gallery
and
professional
development
and
some
public
art.
So
we
all
cross
train
in
everything
that
we
do.
But
it's
really
at
the
point
where,
if
we
can
have
these
two
physicians
that
have
been
vacant
and
unfunded
to
help
us
full
fill
out,
our
gene.
I
How
long
have
those
positions
existed
that
they've
been
unfunded.
B
They
have
been
unfunded
since,
before
I
was
here
so
prior
to
2019.
I
came
on
board
in
september
2019
believe
so.
Mr
lambert
assistant
director,
lambert
was
in
that
position
and
then
was
promoted
up
to
assistant
director,
so
that
position
probably
has
been
vacant
for
two
years
and
then
the
art
service
coordinator
position
was
vacant
before
I
even
started
so
prior
to
2019.
I
B
Do
you
know
how
long
ago
it
was
that
they
had
five
positions?
Madam
chair
council
lindell,
I
do
not
off
the
top
of
my
head
and
I
can
look
into
that
and
get
that
to
the.
If
you'd,
let
me
know.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
councilwoman,
villarreal,.
B
Thank
you,
mediterra.
Thank
you,
director,
kamiyama.
Just
a
couple
clarifying
questions.
There's
a
let's
see
you
describe
the
cultural
investment
funding.
So
thank
you
for
explaining
that
and
then
there
is
a
a
bullet
point
that
said:
450
000
in
advertising.
B
If
you
could
give
us
more
details
about
that,
so
madam
chair
counselor,
via
real
great
question,
to
clarify
that
the
advertisement
is
actually
the
cultural
investment
funding
program.
That's
what
the
object
number
in
our
fund
is
for,
because
lodgers
tax
supports
marketing
and
promotion
of
arts
and
culture
nonprofits
to
bring
visitors
and
heightened
cultural
tourism
within
the
city.
So
it
goes
under
our
advertising
line.
Item.
B
Okay,
so
so
the
way
this
is
written,
it
says
100
thousand
for
the
cultural
investment
funding
program
and
four
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
in
an
advertising,
but
you're
saying
that
those
are
actually
the
same
funding
per
that's
the
same
program.
Madam
chair
council,
real
real.
Yes,
that
would
be
the
same
so
that
our
culture
investment
funding
program
would
have
a
new
total
for
fiscal
year.
23
at
over
500
000.
G
Madam
chair,
if
I
could
add
to
council
viral's
question,
but
is
it
okay
sure
absolutely
so
just
add
a
little
bit
of
color,
so
council
varial,
so
the
hundred
thousand
dollars
we'd
like
to
target
for
this
year's
indigenous
programming
and
the
soya
100th
anniversary.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
promoted
throughout
the
year,
so
that
hundred
thousand
is
kind
of
set
aside
for
the
swya
100th
anniversary,
with
promotion
on
advertising
and
sponsorship,
and
then
there's
an
indigenous
community
focus
on
2022.
G
B
Yeah,
I
think
the
way
it's
written
in
the
budget
book
doesn't
make
sense,
but
the
way
you
describe
it
sounds
excellent
yeah
and
then
the
gallery,
artist,
recovery
and
training
was
15
000.
B
Madam
chair
councillor,
villarreal.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that
for
our
maintenance
budget.
We
did
feel
that
the
15
000,
in
addition
to
what
we
already
had,
would
be
sufficient
again
we're
trying
to
tie
it
in
not
only
with
the
upcoming
exhibitions
but
capitalizing
and
leveraging
workshops
that
we
did
during
the
pandemic.
B
So
one
would
be
the
visual
recording
again
having
the
level
next
level
two
for
artists
to
practice,
their
trait
of
the
visual.
So
that's
the
drawings
and
imagery
during
instead
of
meeting
notes.
It
takes
a
place
for
that.
So
that's
an
example
of
how
we
would
do
it.
B
We
also
have
the
photo
lab
that
we
have
not
launched
yet,
but
it's
ready
to
go
so
that
would
be
another
thing
that
we
would
invite
artists
to
learn
how
to
use
our
equipment
be
able
to
professionally
document
their
artwork,
so
that
helps
them
with
their
portfolios,
whether
it's
for
a
gallery
or
for
grants
or
arts
and
residency.
So
we
do
feel
that
we
can
make
that
15,
000
and
leverage
that
with
our
existing
budget
in
the
community
gallery
budget.
B
B
Distribution
of
funds
I
mean,
madam
chair
council,
real.
I
am
not
sure.
I
know
that
is
something
that
the
tourism
department
does
run
and
they
have
their
committee.
That's
set
up.
Historically,
I'm
not
sure.
B
If
arts
and
culture
department
had
a
place
at
the
table
at
that
or
not
I'm
not
sure
yeah,
I
think
go
ahead
and
then
also
during
that
time,
arts
and
culture.
The
arts
commission,
before
it
became
a
dark
apartment,
was
under
tourism.
So
I'm
not
it.
B
There
hasn't
been
an
involvement,
yet
with
the
oh
tab,
if
you're
talking
about
the
board
that
they
have
yeah,
I
guess
I'd
like
to
have
more
of
an
understanding,
and
I
guess
I'll-
ask
director,
boss,
the
tourism
director
randall
about
this
further,
because
I
think
we
need
to
evolve
that
process
and
understand
it
better,
and
I
know
there's
a
resolution
or
ordinance
that
sets
it
up
and
who's
involved
or
who
gets
selected,
but
I'm
always
curious
about
how
the
selection
process
works.
B
So
maybe
we
could
talk
about
that
when
he
gets
his
turn,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
know
this,
but
the
100k
that's
added
to
that.
Is
that
an
amount
that
was
the
typical
amount
or
is
this?
E
Counselor
we
can
go
ahead
and
discuss
that
with
the
tourism
department
budget,
but
given
that
the
lodgers
tax
funds,
both
arts
and
culture
and
tourism,
it
can
speak
generally
to
the
fact
that
the
lodgers
tax
has
increased
since
its
load
during
the
first
years
of
the
pandemic.
So
that
is
what
is
fueling
both
the
increases
as
director
brown
described,
for
the
advertising
portion
of
our
the
arts
and
culture
budget,
as
well
as
the
increases
to
the
otap
that
you
are
referencing.
E
But
if
you
don't
mind,
if
we
could
address
those
the
answers
to
those
questions
in
the
tourism
department,
section
yeah,
that's
great
yeah.
I
was
for
some.
B
Reason
it
was
listed
under
somewhere,
I
read
under
arts
and
culture
so
but
I'll
I'll
ask
that
when
we
get
to
tourism
and
then
related
to
the
vacant
positions,
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
we
make
reclassifications
all
the
time.
B
In
fact,
some
of
the
recovery
classifications
in
this
budget
didn't
make
sense
for
me
in
other
departments,
and
so
if
we
have
these
positions
and
we
need
to
correct
reclassify
so
they
better
fit
what
you
all
are
wanting
to
achieve
in
your
work
and
your
mission,
then
I
say:
go
for
it
because
there's
other
reclassifications
that
I'm
not
even
quite
sure
why
we
approve
them
in
other
departments,
and
this
one
actually
makes
sense
to
me.
B
J
Councillor
cassette,
thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair,
thank
you
pauline
for
being
here
today.
I
just
had
a
quick
question
about
the
arts
and
public
places
program
you
had
mentioned.
J
You
know
it's
not
just
arts
for
people
to
look
at,
but
also
art,
programming,
art
experiences
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
really
been
wanting
to
focus
on,
and
I've
been
seeing
more
of-
and
I
would
like
to
hear
if
this
will
continue
into
this
fiscal
year-
is
expanding
that
program
and
really
putting
some
focus
on
south
side
on
the
south
side
to
make
sure
there
is
equity
in
where
we
are
placing
our
art
and
we
are
having
our
experiences.
So
could
you
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more?
Yes,
madam.
B
Chair
counselor
cal
said
definitely
we're
looking
at
the
city
wide
and
actually
how
to
leverage
resources
and
investments
that
the
city
has
already
done.
So
some
of
the
programming,
for
instance
I'll
use
art
at
mrc,
the
municipal
recreation
sports
complex
that
provided
us
an
opportunity
because
of
the
2018
grt
bond
and
then
blah
money
has
to
be
site
specific
to
a
capital
improvement
project.
So
we
leveraged
that
opportunity
to
create
an
art
park
which
is
bringing
it
to
a
new
audience.
B
It's
multi-generational
and
instead
of
just
leaving
artwork
out
there
we're
looking
at
programming,
so
we're
asking
the
artists
to
come
up
with
quarterly
programming,
whether
it's
them
providing
it
themselves
or
say:
hey,
there's
an
animal
service
center
right
down
the
street.
Should
we
have
them?
There
is
the
equine
therapy
place.
Can
we
have
them
do
something?
What
about
steam
and
stem,
adding
that
a
into
science
technology
engineering
math
on
site?
Because
there
is
a
pond
out
there?
B
There
is
some
water
conservation,
that's
happening
so
ways
to
really
connect
public
art
to
the
public
in
different
sectors.
So
that
is
some
of
the
money.
That
is
an
example
of
creating
a
rotating
sculpture
pads
out
there
for
exhibition,
creating
programming
so
that
it
is
becomes
part
of
the
community
and
their
stewardship
that
is
grown
into
it,
as
well
as
bringing
artwork
out
to
the
sports
field
and
then
getting
them
involved
in
creative
thinking
and
creative
problem
solving.
B
So
that's
just
one
example
again
we're
looking
at
youth
arts
education
and
how
do
we
work
with
the
amazing
organizations
already
who
do
amazing
things
in
the
school,
whether
that's
music
or
theater
or
opera?
Those
arts
and
culture
organizations
are
out
in
the
schools
on
providing
instruction,
hands-on
experience.
B
So
there's
ways
to
support
that
and
again
hands-on
workshops,
partnering
a
lot
with
libraries,
maria
tucker
and
her
team
has
been
wonderful
to
partner
with
again
those
libraries
are
becoming
community
centers
and
we're
looking
at
a
new
partnership
with
the
g
triple
c,
with
jeremy
pereira
who's.
B
Looking
at
how
do
we
tell
the
story
about
who
geneviva
chavez
is
right,
so
that's
something
that
we're
looking
to
hopefully
start
this
fiscal
year
and
continue
into
next
and
again,
that's
that
partnerships
that
we
have
health
and
fitness
a
fitness
court
at
swan
park
is
another
example
of
art,
and
then
how
do
we
link
that
together?
How
do
we
create
those
opportunities
that
are
learning
and
ask?
What
would
what
would
the
community
like
to
see?
J
Yeah
absolutely
thank
you
so
much
for
giving
some
more
details.
It's
all
really
exciting
and
I'm
really
happy
to
see
that
integrated
into
other
city
departments,
as
well
as
how
we
are
utilizing
our
different
partners-
and
I
do
think
you
know,
as
you
mentioned,
having
somebody
to
really
focus
on
that-
will
really
be
beneficial
and
and
how
that
can
be
spread
around.
J
I
really
like
keep
keep
the
experientials
going,
but
also
you
know
santa
fe
really
is
we
are
an
art
city
and
but
sometimes
it
does
feel
that
that
is
not
reflected
in
all
parts
of
our
city
and
so
how
we
are
able
to
bring
you
know,
for
example,
the
fitness
court,
that
is,
an
art
fitness
court
and
really
bringing
that
over
to
a
part
of
the
city
that
traditionally
has
not
had
that
focus
and
how
we
integrate
that
that
city
identity
there.
J
I
think
it's
really
wonderful
and
I
would
very
much
be
in
favor,
and
I
know
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
community
members
who
live
on
the
south
side
that
they
would
very
much
be
in
favor
of
how
we
start
to
integrate
art
into
just
the
everyday
scenery
around
santa
fe.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
more,
especially
as
we
get
that
new
staff
member
on
board
and
they
can
really
dive
in,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
going
into
more
detail
about
that.
J
F
I
love
starting
the
first
part
of
myself,
so
so
I
wanted
to
thank
director
kamiyama
when
she
first
started.
We
took
a
drive
around
district
3
and
she
had
an
open
mind
about
really
art
and
places
that
it
could
fit
and
I'm
not
an
art
person,
but
she
is,
and
she's
really
come
through
with
bringing
art
to
district
three,
and
we
mentioned
a
few
swan
park,
the
mrc
and
then
recently
southside
library.
F
So
I
want
to
thank
you
wholeheartedly
for
myself
and
my
constituents
who
appreciate
it,
and
I
know
you
know
we
had
a
good
turnout
at
the
south
side
library
with
some
of
the
students
from
cesar
chavez
elementary
and
it's
great,
to
see
artwork
coming
to
the
south
side.
So
thank
you
for
living
up
to
your
word
and
and
for
being
a
person
of
your
word
and
bringing
art
to
the
south
side.
B
Madam
chair
council
rivera
and
thank
you
so
much.
It's
been
my
pleasure
to
work
with
you
in
an
honor,
and
this.
If
you
haven't
been
to
the
south
side
library,
to
see
our
non-gomez
shop
and
sculpture,
I
encourage
you
because
it's
pretty
fantastic,
so
that's
the
plug
on
that
one.
So
our
maintenance
budget
does
cover
the
city
historian,
the
poet
laureate
and
the
other
things,
and
I'm
trying
to
find
my
number
on
my
printout,
which
will
be
approximately.
B
Total,
so
I'm
combining
a
couple
of
now
it's
about
seventy.
B
F
B
That
used
to
madam
chair
counselor
rivera
that
used
to
be
under
arts
and
culture
department
and
then
that,
with
the
witter
bitter
foundation
that
transitioned
to
the
library,
so
the
the
poet
youth
poet
laureate,
is
run
and
funded
completely
out
of
that
foundation
and
they
partnered
with
the
library
and
with
their
youth
programs
there
to
do
that.
But
we
still
manage
and
work
with
the
city's
poet
laureate,
who
is
daryl
wellington.
F
A
J
Councilwoman
cassette.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
just
a
quick
follow-up
on
that.
To
make
sure
I
understood
correctly
so
this
the
youth
poet
laureate,
are
they
funded
by
the
friends
of
the
library
or
the
city's
library
budget.
B
Madam
chair
councillor
casa,
they
are
actually,
as
I
understood,
funded
at
the
whitter
fin
thinner
foundation.
You
submit
for
a
grant,
so
we
also
submitted
for
grant
to
fund
the
poet
laureate,
but
they
have
funded
the
youth
poet
laureate
program
in
full,
and
this
are
out
of
the
arts
and
culture
department.
We
are
fully
funding
the
adult
poet
laureate,
but
we
are
seeking
additional
grant
funding
from
them
to
expand
the
project
scope
of
work
that
the
poet
laureate
can
do
perfect.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
For
me,
I
appreciate
it.
I
Thank
you
chair.
Does
the
department
apply
for
grants
outside
of
city
funding.
B
Madam
chair
counselor
lindell,
yes,
we
do.
We
currently
receive
on
an
ongoing
basis,
we're
very
fortunate
assistant
director.
Lambert,
writes
the
grant
for
new
mexico
arts
and
we
do
receive
an
award
usually
yearly
to
help
support
a
program
or
a
project
through
the
community
gallery.
There
are
other
grant
opportunities
that
we
partner
with
other
nonprofit
organizations,
but
they
sometimes
are
the
lead
and
we
provide
letters
of
support.
So
again
we're
always
looking.
B
We
will
begin
to
look
now
when
we
have
staff
for
additional
opportunities
for
grant
funding,
but
we
are
also
very
aware
to
not
be
in
competition
with
our
arts
and
culture
nonprofits,
but
rather
the
way
to
think
about
it
is
how
to
be
intentional
about
certain
grants
so,
like
new
mexico,
the
national
endowment
for
the
arts
little
globe
and
other
folks
have,
and
santa
fe
arts
institute
submitted
for
a
grant,
but
we're
a
partner
on
it
to
look
at
neighborhood
fiestas
and,
if
that's
funded,
that
will
be
a
partnership
amongst
many
different
arts
organizations.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
that
that
would
be
really
some
worthwhile
pursuit.
I
appreciate
this
and
just
be
sure,
to
get
back
to
me
and
refresh
my
memory
as
to
when
we
did
have
five
people
working
in
the
arts
department.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair.
A
Thank
you
counselor
other
discussion,
or
do
we
have
a
motion
to
approve?
Second,
we
have
a
motion
from
councilwoman
villarreal,
a
second
from
councillor
cassette,
to
approve
the
arts
and
culture
budget.
Can
we
get
a
roll
call?
Please?
A
F
A
G
Correct
madam
chair,
thank
you.
So,
in
the
first
page
of
the
economic
development
description
of
services,
what's
missing
is
sort
of
the
organization.
Just
so
everyone
knows,
edie
is,
is
comprised
of
of
the
economic
development
planning
and
growth
team.
That's
comprised
of
asset
management,
it's
comprised
of
the
midtown
redevelopment
team
and
also
business
licensing.
G
So,
as
you
see
the
recommended
number
of
12,
that's
the
numbers
we
have
and
we
have
four
vacancies
that
are
unfunded
right
now
and
out
of
that
12
one
of
the
jobs
is
being
reclassified
to
bring
in
a
new
economic
development
director.
So
I'm
very
excited
about
that.
I
can
build
some
capacity
to
the
work
I
do
and
I'm
right
now
carrying
two
hats.
G
G
The
250
000
to
midtown
really
relates
to
the
fact
that
we
applied
for
capital
outlay
and
it
was
approved,
but
we
won't
get
it
for
a
while,
and
so
I
need
some
carryover
money
because
we're
also
trying
to
fund
the
additional
public
engagement,
we're
looking
to
get
a
public
engagement
liaison
and
some
small
grants
for
things
they'll
be
doing
while
we're
doing
land
development
and
also
some
of
the
work
that
the
capital
will
pay
for
with
land
economics
and
rezoning.
G
So
that's
what
the
two
thousand
two
fifty
thousand
is
for
and
then
the
150
is
for
the
economic
development,
strategic
plan.
We've
completed
a
framework,
and
now
we
want
to
get
to
the
actual
plan
we
haven't
had
one
in
a
while.
So
this
additional
funding
will
be
helpful
for
that
and
then
the
50
000
for
community
development
is
that
there
is
no
specific
budget
for
community
development.
So
I
am
draining
the
economic
development
budget
to
do
community
development.
G
So
I'm
on
fumes
right
now
in
this
fiscal
year,
but
this
50
000
will
help
with
a
growth
management
plan
for
community
development
as
a
macro
on
a
macro
level
for
the
whole
department,
the
733
000
for
funding
of
leader
projects,
I
think
somewhere
in
our
budget
document.
It
talks
about
the
different
lita
programs
are
working
on
right
now
we
have
two
in
the
pipeline
that
are
going
through
committee
review
as
we
speak,
and
then
we
have
a
number
coming
through
over
the
next
year
that
we're
very
excited
about.
G
That's
gonna
provide
what
I
call
that
diversity,
diversity
of
the
economy
to
diversify
it,
and
so
this
additional
funding
will
be
helpful
for
us,
the
630
630,
thousands
just
to
support
business
development
and
job
training.
These
are
helpful
for
the
stimulating
of
the
economy
that
I've
been
working
on
it's
outside
of
what
arpa
can
do,
because
our
is
very
specific
in
the
eligibility
of
things
you
can
do
so.
G
This
is
to
help
support
some
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
this
year
and
now
we
can
continue
it
on
in
the
fiscal
year
coming.
One
other
note
that
I
wanted
to
make
out
is
that
in
that
spreadsheet
below
it
says,
there's
a
1.2
million
dollar
proposed
budget
from
61
000
in
the
previous
year,
and
that
jump
of
1913
is
really
because
the
economic
belt
department
has
an
enterprise
fund.
G
But
we
haven't
been
able
to
take
in
any
money
to
support
the
work
that
we're
doing
to
stimulate
the
economy
and
work
through
all
the
pieces
and
initiatives
we
have.
So
this
is
coming
from
the
general
fund
to
help
support
us
as
we
make
it
through
the
year
in
some
of
the
activities
that
we're
planning
to
do
so.
It
looks
like
I've
won
the
lottery,
but
it
really
is
to
support
the
work
that
we're
we're
trying
to
do
in
economic
development
going
forward
as
we
come
out
of
the
economic
and
recession.
G
So
with
that,
that's
my
overview
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
I
stand
for
answers
provide.
A
J
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair,
and
and
thank
you
rich,
I'm
happy
to
see
the
economic
development
director
position
being
filled.
That's
been
a
theme
that
both
councilwoman
vitoria
and
I
have
mentioned
many
times
throughout
the
year
of
our
concern
of
these
multiple
positions,
and
I
know
that
you
are
doing
a
lot.
So
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
that
I'm
gonna
give
a
quick
apology
to
everybody
real
fast.
J
My
brain
does
not
is
still
being
covety,
and
so,
if
I
miss
something-
and
I
re-ask
things-
I'm
I'm
discovering
that
I'm
not
holding
on
to
information
as
much
as
I
normally
do
so
just
an
apology
in
case
you
already
covered
this.
What.
K
G
So
we
have
two
economic
development,
specialist
positions
that
are
open.
We
recently
lost
one
and
we've
been
trying
to
build
that
capacity,
I'm
actually
having
an
issue
with
the
funding,
not
getting
qualified
candidates
at
the
hourly
rate
that
we're
offering.
So
I'm
going
out
again
to
see
if
we
can
do
some
work.
I
I'm
also
gonna
use
some
of
my
funding
to
bring
in
some
summer
interns
to
to
support
us
this
summer.
G
So
I'll
use
some
of
my
vacancy
savings
now,
but
as
we
go
into
the
fiscal
year,
we're
going
to
have
some
temporary
high
school
students,
we
had
two
before
and
they're
all
very
successful
now,
but
some
of
that
will
help
me,
just
as
I
try
to
find
the
right
candidates
to
fill
in
the
specialist
roles.
The
other
role
that
I'm
trying
to
fill
in
is
the
asset
development
associate
under
the
asset
development
program.
G
We've
actually
tried
three
times
just
to
advertise
that
position
and
we
have
not
been
getting
qualified
candidates,
so
we
are
moving
forward
trying
to
make
that
all
work.
But
those
are
the
three
areas
that
we're
we're
trying
to
fill
in
to
build
the
capacity
as
we
know
the
arpa
grant
is
coming
through,
and
I
need
to
make
sure
I
have
qualified
candidates
can
help
me
sort
of
put
those
into
action.
J
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
That's,
I
think,
really
important
information
for
us
to
have.
I
know
I
missed
the
hr
budget,
but
this
has
been
one
of
my
concerns
and
one
of
my
desires
as
we
look
at
class
and
compensation
of
looking
at
some
of
these
positions
that
we're
having
a
hard
time
filling
and
what
the
market
rate
is
for
them
at
this
time.
J
So
we'll
talk
about
that
in
hr,
but
thanks
for
that
information,
I
think
that
that's
really
important
for
us
to
have
to
look
at
where
we
are
having
a
hard
time
filling
positions
because
of
not
getting
qualified
candidates
and
how
we
both
look
at
salary,
as
well
as
other
solutions
that
we
might
be
able
to
pursue
in
order
to
fill
those.
J
You
had
mentioned
that
we
can
get
a
list
of
the
lita
projects.
Can
you
can
you?
Let
me
know
where
that
is.
G
J
J
Great
all
right,
I
look
forward
to
seeing
those
and
then
can
you
give
me
a
little
bit
more
information
about
what
goes
into
a
community
development
growth
management
plan.
You
know
we
have
this
economic
development
strategic
plan.
We
have
a
number
of
conversations
that
we'll
be
having
regarding
land
use
planning.
So
what
what
would
be
separate
in
a
community
development
growth
management
plan,
as
well
as
how
are
those
plans
integrated
into
this.
G
Right,
thank
you
for
that
question,
so
I
would
say
I'll
start
with
the
fact
that
I'm
trying
to
measure
the
essential
elements
of
a
healthy
city.
There
are
16
elements
here,
and
so
the
community
development
growth
piece
is
taking
all
the
elements
of
all
the
departments,
tourism,
arts
and
culture,
land
use,
economic
development
and
housing.
How
do
we
blend
those
in
to
build
a
synergy
that
says
these
all
help
us
plus
other
departments?
In
this
the
essential
elements?
How
do
we
measure
success
as
a
city?
G
G
Additionally,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
you'll
get
to
director
clook's
department
he's
going
to
talk
about
the
neighborhood
development
and
neighborhood
resources,
and
so
this
community
development
plan
will
also
look
at
the
quality
of
life
aspect
of
that
it's
not
just
the
land
use.
It's
not
just
the
economic
mobility.
It's
about
the
quality
of
life
too.
So
that's
a
part
of
what
we'd
like
to
measure
and
then
looking
at
how
we
take
the
concept
of
diversify
our
economy
and
we
don't
necessarily
just
want
to
diversify
our
economy.
G
We
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
shared
across
the
whole
neighborhoods.
We
want
to
share
it
across
the
whole
city.
Some
places
it's
good
to
diversify
it
right.
How
did
the
housing,
how
did
the
walkability
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
come
into
play?
So
that's
a
part
of
what
this
community
development
plan
would
be
about
is
is
a
larger
picture
around
the
work
we
do
in
those
different
departments
in
a
bigger
picture,
around
basically
quality
of
life
and
the
essential
elements
of
a
healthy
city.
J
Wonderful,
thank
you
so
much
rich
and
just
to
add
some
some
color
to
that.
For
my
colleagues
in
edac,
this
is
something
that
we
also
will
be
focusing
on.
I
didn't
realize
that
this
was
related
to
that,
but
I'm
very
excited
to
see
that
that
that
is
something
that
will
also
be
filtering
through
edac
and
having
some
of
those
broader
conversations,
so
glad
to
hear
that
there
is
some
funding.
That's
going
to
be
able
to
back
that
as
we
as
we
move
forward.
J
L
A
If
we
could
just
pause
and
counselor
cassette,
if
you
could
tell
us
all
what
edac
is
in
case,
we
have
people
listening.
You
might
not
be
familiar
with
that
acronym
and
the
important
work
that
goes
on
there.
I
think
it
would
be
an
opportune
moment
for
you.
Yes,.
J
Absolutely
that
edac
is
our
economic
development
advisory
committee.
I
took
over
as
the
chair
in
january,
and
this
is
a
citizen
committee.
Volunteers
of
individuals
who
are
business
owners
have
some
type
of
specialty
or
knowledge
and
economic
development
to
really
talk
about
how
we
support
the
economy
of
santa
fe,
how
we
look
to
grow
when
there's
a
really.
J
What's
wonderful
about
this
group,
there
really
is
a
large
lens
on
diversification
of
the
economy
as
rich
had
mentioned,
but
also
really
a
big
focus
on
equity
and
looking
at
some
of
the
related
social
public
health
quality
of
life
challenges
and
how
those
integrate
into
economic
development
and
how
we
can
look
to
solve
those
so
fun
committee.
If
anybody
wants
to
pop
in
as
all
our
meetings
are
they're
public,
so
thank
you.
J
A
And
you
know,
I
probably
should
have
flagged
the
cdc
committee
that
councilwoman
via
real
chair,
so
my
bad.
Maybe
I
see
your
hand
up
for
questions.
Maybe
you
can
tell
us
all
about
that
when,
when
we
get
to
questions
and
we
can
just
sort
of
refer
back
to
the
affordable
housing
budget,
councillor
rivera
your
hand
is
up
next.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
councilwoman
cassette
has
covid
to
fall
back
on
for
her
memory
issues.
I
guess
I'll
have
to
fall
back
on
age,
because
I
can't
fall
back
on
covet
so
rich.
I
don't
know
if
you
I
think
I
heard
you
talk
about
this,
but
you
said
you
were
looking
to
reclassify
one
position
for
well
just
talk
about
that
again
and-
and
let
me
know
which
which
fund
you're
looking
or
which
position
you're
looking
at
reclassifying
sure.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
council
river.
Yes,
so
we're
reclassifying
up
we're
classifying
for
now
right
now,
we're
gonna
reclassify
our
broadband
architect
that
we
had
in
fy22
we're
gonna,
reclassify
that
and
turn
that
into
our
economic
development
director
position,
and
I
just
think
that
the
director
position
is
the
priority
thing
right
now,
as
the
broadband
is
working
on,
it
gets
ramped
up
and
it
won't
be
until
september
october.
F
All
right,
so
I'm
looking
at
the
position
listings
that
I
think
mary
mccoy
sent
to.
I
think
it
was
mary
and
there's
no
broadband
position
on
there
and
there's
already
there's
already
an
economic
development
division
director
she
might
have
switched.
K
It
already
council
rivera
she.
E
Might
have
already
changed
it,
madam
chair
counselor,
rivera.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
It
is
the
same
position
number.
It
is
a
non-union
position
that
we
are
using
to
will
be
using
to
reclassify
for
fiscal
year
23..
What
is
included
in
the
economic
development
budget
is
the
salaries
and
the
benefits
associated
with
the
salary
at
the
level
of
the
range
appropriate
for
the
economic
development
director.
F
G
Happened,
yes,
we
had
a
candidate,
but
they
dropped
out.
Okay,
so
we're
now
we're
in
the
second
round.
We
we
just
did
a
round
of
interviews
we're
hoping
to
to
to
close
it,
but
but
it
has
been
that
person
backed
out
after
we,
okay.
F
All
right
that
was
it
just
a
couple,
follow-up
questions
to
some
comments
that
you
have
made.
So
that's
all
I
have
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Counselor
councilwoman
b
arielle-
I
I
think
you
should
definitely
tell
us
about
your
work
as
chair.
The
cdc
should
have
done
that
under
the
affordable
housing
budget
and
I
think
for
people
listening
it's
another
acronym.
We
kick
around
and
people
may
not
know
exactly
what
it
is
and
does
I'll
do.
B
That,
after
I
ask
my
questions,
because
I'm
on
my
trajectory
here,
did
you
say
director
brown,
that
that
we
haven't
posted
the
economic
development
director
because
you
were
reclassifying
it.
G
B
G
B
G
Projects,
madam
chair
of
council
viral
no,
some
some
of
the
funding
is
coming
from
the
state.
So
it
comes
from
the
state
into
our
budget,
but
we
have
to
maintain
the
funding
every
year
for
them
because
it's
a
quarterly,
sometimes
a
half
year,
but
quarterly
of
review
of
their
lita
measurements.
And
so
that's
why
it's
listed.
G
But
there
are
many
more
that
are
not
listed
because
they're,
as
I
said,
they're
under
confidence
as
a
project
name,
but
the
ones
you
have
listed
that
are
currently
in
process
are
because
the
state
sends
us
a
grant
funding
because
we're
the
fiscal
agent
for
some
of
those
programs
and
it
comes
into
our
budget.
So
it's
sort
of
the
line
item
that
comes
from
one
revenue
area
into
expense
side
and
that
we
disperse
ourselves
great,
okay,.
G
That,
madam
chair
councilman
al,
I
you're
actually
correct.
We
do
have
an
economic
development
fund,
we
get
from
grt
or
we
get
from
land
sales
and,
as
you
may
know,
we
have
not
made
any
land
sales
in
the
recently
and
the
leases
that
we
have.
It
does
not
support
some
of
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
over
the
year
because
we
were
facing
a
recession,
and
so
I've
just
been
using
the
current
budget
to
make
our
way
and
I'm
about
on
fumes
now.
B
B
E
A
counselor,
I
believe,
andy
hopkins,
has
that
detail
if
andy
is
on
brad.
Thank
you.
M
Good
afternoon
it's
one
percent
of
the
state
share.
B
Got
it
okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So,
director
brown,
what
you
said
you
went
really
fast.
I'm
like
retouching.
B
G
Yeah
mandatory
council
be
real,
so
part
of
that
money
will
help
us.
As
you
know,
our
public
engagement
contract
is
now
done
and
we
want
to
continue
some
of
the
local
public
engagement
we
have
with
these
community
organizations,
so
some
of
that
funding
will
help
me
because
I
don't
have
it
specifically
targeted,
and
so,
as
we
go
into
the
next
fiscal
year,
this
is
going
to
be
helpful
for
any
mini
grants.
G
B
Sounds
good
yeah.
I
think
that
was
a
great
plan
and
I
hope
we
continue
in
that
vein,
and
even
some
of
those
amounts
could
be
increased
for
the
amount
of
work
they
take
from
community
engagement
partners.
So
and
then
you
talked
about
the
economic
development
strategic
plan.
When
I
read
that
you
were
referencing
midtown,
specifically
the
next
phase
or
not
no.
G
Strategic
plan
is
economic
development
on
on
a
whole,
so
the
last
fiscal
year,
amendment
chair
and
council
for
real
well
last
this
year
we
did
a.
We
have
a
framework
around
the
work
we
do
and
and
what
we
need
for
strategy
moving
into
the
next
five
to
ten
years,
and
we
have
an
older
plan
so
we're
trying
to
update
that
plan
and
we'll
work
in
conjunction
with
all
the
other
departments.
But
we
want
to
specifically
look
at
you
know:
workforce
development,
entrepreneurship,
small
business,
resiliency
and
recruitment
and
expansion.
G
So
this
is
what
that
plan
is
going
to
be
about
that
extra
funding.
So.
B
B
G
It
well,
madam
chair
council,
v
rail
it'll
all
align
together.
It's
just
that
we
have
five
departments
and
we
don't
really
have
one
bigger
framework.
You
know
land
use
separates,
and
you
know
it's
the
front
line
of
the
growth
of
the
city,
but
on
the
community
development
side,
there's
quality
of
life
issues
right,
there's,
economic
mobility
issues:
there
are,
how
do
you
become
a
healthy
city?
And
how
do
you
measure
that
we
have
our
data
platform?
So
that's
what
this
framework
plan
is
really
all
about
is
like.
G
Let's
identify
those
key
indicators
that
we
should
be
measuring
on
a
whole
as
we
move
forward
with
the
city.
So,
whatever
comes
out
of
the
land
development
plan,
the
growth
management
plan
will
be
informed
or
not
informed.
Some
of
what
this
community
development
plan
will
be
also
so
it'll
get
connected
together.
B
Got
it,
I
guess
I
was
just
curious
why
it
was
a
separate
pot
of
money
versus
the
whole
thing
with
different,
like
focus
areas
of
the
growth
management
plan,
but
you
know
best
about
that.
Yeah.
Let's
see,
I
think
I
think
that's
it.
The
community
development
commission
is
also
a
community
committee.
B
I
don't
call
it
citizen
community,
because
someone
corrected
me
once
saying,
if
someone's
not
documented,
don't
call
them
that
so,
and
it's
made
up
of
there's
a
total
of
seven
of
us
and
it's
such
a
great
mix
of
folks
with
different
backgrounds,
but
essentially
we're
charged
with
allocating
and
making
grant
recommendations
with
the
cdbg
funding
that
we
get
through
hud
and
the
funding
that's
allocated
to
our
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
B
We're
also
looking
at
we've,
been
doing
study
sessions
at
the
request
of
members
of
different
topics
that
they
deem
important
related
to
affordable,
housing
and
or
just
in
general,
like
how
development
works
and
what's
the
cost
of
of
development
for
developers,
the
things
that
we
don't
necessarily
learn
as
community
members
even
counselors
at
times.
B
So
I
think
that
those
study
sessions
have
been
very
informative
and
we've
actually
been
doing
site
visits
to
see
some
of
the
locations
where
funding
has
been
allocated
through
our
funding
sources
and
what
those
either
of
housing
developments
look
like
or
we've
even
even
toured
the
I
didn't
get
to
go,
but
the
santa
fe
suites
and
then
new
service
providers
that
we
also
fund
through
different
allocations.
B
We
went
to
visit
some
of
those
so
we're
trying
to
expand
that
and
then
maybe
even
have
some
recommendations
that
come
out
of
the
cdc
group
so
that
we
can.
It
would
be
actually
given
to
policing
policymakers
like
us,
so
we're
kind
of
expanding
the
not
expanding
the
reach,
but
looking
at
it
more
holistically,
instead
of
just
being
that
transactional
piece
of
making
grant
decisions
and
it's
good
because
we
actually
have
more
funding.
B
So
we
have
more
cycles
to
review
so
there's
more
requirements
to
meet
instead
of
just
certain
years
or
a
certain
time
of
year,
where
we
actually
do
one
grant
cycle
so
exciting
work.
A
That's
great,
if
I
could
venture
I
want
yeah.
G
A
Yes,
hold
on
just
one
one
quick
second
rich
and
those
study
sessions
are
they
are
they
recorded?
Is
that
something?
Yes?
Are
they
on
the
website
or
someone
all.
B
G
Now
to
you
director
brown,
sorry,
madam
sure,
thank
you
so
much
all
right.
I
just
wanted
to.
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
councillor
royale
that
we
will
be
coming
to
the
community
development
committee
to
talk
about
this
community
development
plan
and
also
these
essential
health
elements
of
a
healthy
city
and
the
data
platform,
which
is
a
part
of
the
community.
We
want
data
to
be
shared
not
only
with
our
policy
makers,
but
with
our
community
too,
so
we
will
be
connecting
more
over
the
next
fiscal
year.
Excellent.
B
Excellent,
you
reminded
me
of
something
too:
there
were
actually
members
that
were
really
interested
in
being
part
of
the
growth
management
plan
when
you
involve
community
members,
so
there
were
interested
members
and
wanted
to
know
more
about
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
Okay
and
as
long
as
we're
doing
a
little
tutorial
on
some
of
these
other
entities
that
are
part
of
the
city's
work
and
sorry
councilor
lindell,
I'm
going
to
you
next,
I
promise
can
director
brown.
Can
you
just
tell
people
who
might
be
listening
about
the
angelou
plan,
which
is
what
30
25.
G
Years
ago,
2006,
so
it's
nearly
22
years
old,
22.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
So
for
the
public
and
our
policy
makers,
the
angelou
plan
is
the
original
strategic
plan
for
economic
development
that
was
completed.
G
It
was
a
two-year
plan,
two-year
process
that
involved
creating
a
framework
around
goals
and
accomplishments,
and
then
there
was
public
engagement
and
there
was
data
gathering
to
understand
kind
of
what
are
the
key
elements
of
economic
development
for
the
city
moving
forward
and
it
was
supposed
to
be
kind
of
a
20-year
plan
and
we
are
now
you
know
in
a
new
century
and
a
new
era
because
of
covet,
and
so
we're
trying
to
augment
what
the
angel
plan
does
around
workforce
development
around
entrepreneurship,
around
industry
diversification,
around
quality
of
life,
around
economic
mobility.
G
A
I
Rich
just
a
couple
of
questions
on
on
the
numbers,
mr
brown.
You've
got
a
very
sizable
increase
in
contracts.
Almost
eight
hundred
thousand
just
give
us
some
idea
of
what
some
of
the
sizeable
contracts
are
that
we're
looking
at.
G
Yes,
madam
chair
councilwindow,
that's
a
very
good
question.
Keep
in
mind
that
the
sizeable
contract
number
is
a
little
deceptive,
because
some
of
that
money
is
coming
from
the
state
for
both
for
our
current
lead
up
projects,
but
also
because,
if
we
do
close
a
leader
program
in
august
or
september,
the
state
money
will
come
to
us
and
to
come
to
our
budget,
so
we're
just
labeling
it
there
so
that
we
know
that
it's
in
our
expense
line
when
it
comes
to
the
state
money
revenue.
G
So
we
have
right
now
we
have
two
leader
projects
currently
in
play
and
probably
by
the
next
january,
we
hope
to
have
three
more
and,
for
instance,
we
are
estimating
that
the
state
may
send
to
us
about
a
half
a
million
dollars
in
a
matching
funding
that
we
will
be
the
fiscal
agent
for.
So
when
you
see
that
number
it
looks
super
huge,
but
it's
mainly
because
we
are
going
to
expect
an
influx
of
money
from
our
grant
from
the
state.
That'll
make
that
number
happen.
We
have
to
disperse
that
money.
I
I
I
appreciate
that
mr
brown
and
I
think
it's
important
for
people
to
understand
how
the
how
those
lita
monies
work
that
those
aren't
coming
directly
out
of
us.
No,
that
that,
though,
I
think
it's
really
important
for
people
to
understand
that
we
are
not
putting
general
fund
money
into
these
businesses
that
these
are
these.
I
B
G
Yes,
I'll
repeat
it,
so
the
the
department
is
made
up
of
four
different
groups
besides
the
director,
and
so
the
first
one
is
the
economic
development
group.
That's
planning
and
growth
right,
business
growth
manager
of
two
other
asset
development
specialists.
Then
we
have
asset
management
right
now
we
have
an
asset
management
manager
and
we're
looking
for
a
field
asset
associate.
We
have
midtown
redevelopment.
B
A
Okay,
other
questions,
or
do
we
have
a
motion
move
to
approve
second
motion
from
counselor
cassette,
a
second
from
councilwoman
villarreal.
Some
further
discussion
don't
see
any
hands.
Can
we
get
a
vote?
Roll
call
please,
yes,
counselor
be
around.
Yes,.
C
A
L
Hi
there,
madam
chair
counselors,
thank
you
good
afternoon.
Everybody,
I'm
very
honored,
to
be
here
with
you
today
in
this
new
capacity.
I
have
to
say
first
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
governing
body
and
the
mayor
and
all
the
departments
we
work
with
for
all
their
help
and
encouragement.
You
know,
especially
over
the
last
nine
or
ten
months
when
I
was
working
as
interim
director.
L
L
I'm
also
really
honored
to
have
our
leader
rich
brown,
who
I
really
appreciate,
and
I
think
he
deserves
a
lot
of
credit
for
taking
on
the
role
as
community
development
director
and
then
yeah.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
our
previous
language
directors
for
their
guidance
and
and
good
works
to
build
the
to
build
and
support
the
department
and
everything
I've
learned
from
them
to
position
me
where
I
am
today.
L
So
today
we
have
with
us
in
the
wings
amanda
encinias
she's,
our
admin
manager
and
she's
definitely
been
indispensable
in
putting
together
this
budget
for
us
and
did
most
of
the
hard
work
and
I've
opted
to
go
ahead
and
cover
for
everybody
else.
All
of
our
managers
are
extremely
busy,
so
hopefully
I
can
field
any
questions
for
the
divisions.
L
If
there
are
any
specific
questions
and
eric
ericoni
can
also
be
available
for
questions
for
the
mbo.
Of
course,
they
are
part
of
land
use,
but
that's
definitely
the
my
the
weakest
link
for
me.
As
far
as
the
subject
matter
expert,
so
eric
can
be
here
to
answer
any
of
those
questions
so
just
a
little
bit
about
playing
in
land
use.
So
the
planning
and
language
department
provides
expert
land
use
guidance,
supporting
our
communities
desired
planning
and
land
use
development
goals.
L
We
achieve
this
by
serving
the
public
with
integrity
and
honesty,
solving
problems
through
teamwork
and
creativity,
accepting
responsibility
and
accountability
and
promoting
equity
and
inclusion.
That's
our
mission.
We
have
six
divisions,
including
planning,
historic
preservation,
metropolitan
planning
organization,
building,
permitting
inspections
and
enforcement
and
engineering
and
technical
review.
We
also
have
an
administrative
wing
with
our
administrative
manager,
a
project
administrator
and
real
estate
manager,
making
up
the
administrative
staff,
so
I'd
like
to
go
over
quickly.
L
Some
highlights
and
statistics
for
you
all
so
just
to
give
some
perspective
on
the
magnitude
of
our
work.
Like
director
brown
had
mentioned
earlier,
I'd
like
to
start
with
some
statistics
on
permits
and
development,
so
just
to
go
a
little
ways.
Back
2020
we
had
513
multi-family
units
approved
and
out
for
construction,
permitted,
300
and
304
single-family
homes
for
a
total
of
817,
that
was
for
calendar
year
2020
and
then
in
21.
L
Also
in
2020
we
had
a
grand
total
of
5178
permits
and
a
for
a
total
of
fees
paid
of
5.5
million.
L
Then
in
2021
we
were
above
that
5
000,
almost
6
000
permits
issued
for
a
total
of
6
million
6.8
million.
So
definitely
you
know
still
on
an
upper
trajectory.
L
I'd
like
to
note
that,
with
our
new
fee
structure,
the
revenues
for
land
use
activities
have
increased
about
400
000
dollars
over
the
last
calendar
year
since
since
they
were
implemented
in
january
of
2021,
that
doesn't
include
impact
fees.
So
that's
a
that's
a
separate
category,
just
you
know
just
for
land
use
activities
and
then,
coincidentally,
and
I
think
favorably,
this
is
very
close
to
the
requested
overall
increase
to
our
budget
and
positions
as
well
to
justify
this
current
request.
L
So
a
couple
more
highlights,
or
a
few
more
highlights,
if
you
don't
mind,
so
we're
definitely
continuing
to
focus
intently
on
building
a
long-term
capacity
and
stability
and
level
of
expertise
within
the
department,
and
with
that
in
mind,
we've
you
know:
we've
really
continued
to
work,
increasing
staffing,
hiring
vacant
positions
and
vital
areas
of
operations
and
are
working
to
increase
our
capacity
specifically
for
strategic
planning
efforts
and
also
the
the
corollary
of
the
needed
staffing
and
development
of
the
permitting
side
and
inspections
after
those
developments
are
approved.
L
One
one
thing
to
note:
that's
really
exciting:
we've
just
recently
got
the
planning
commission
back
up
to
nine
members,
so
we're
fully
staffed
at
capacity
there
and
that'll
really
position
us
well
to
take
on
these.
You
know
big
important
tasks
that
we
have
in
front
of
us.
L
Let's
see
we're
currently
moving
forward
with
the
chapter
14
land
development
code
updates.
We
have
a
we've,
had
an
rfp
out
for
that
and
we're
in
contract
negotiations
with
the
leading
offer,
also
we're,
along
with
building
capacity,
we're
also
planning
to
quickly
get
underway
with
the
the
comp
plan
and
update
to
the
green
building
code.
I
know
you'll
have
have
some
questions
about
that.
I'm
I
think
I'm
prepared
to
answer
those.
L
Yeah-
and
there
were
also
another
big
item-
is
we're
poised
to
continue
the
implementation
and
expansion
of
integral
functionality,
including
the
css
portal,
for
all,
permitting
and
digitization
of
of
operations,
with
permitting
operations
with
e-review
and
also
planning
operations,
by
the
way,
I'm
working
with
I.t
on
that,
and
I
hope
to
have
that
projectized
and
underway
by
the
end
of
the
year.
If
not
halfway,
completed.
L
L
So
we
went
from
around
60
vacancy
in
the
middle
of
last
year
to
14
currently,
which
means
we're
missing
two
positions
in
inspections,
so
that
was,
I
think
that
was
a
critical
and
enormous
help
to
relieve
that
compaction
and
both
help
with
you
know,
retention
and
bringing
on
qualified
inspectors,
and
we
also
got
the
assistant
director
for
planning
approved
and
the
senior
planner
for
historic
preservation
and
the
engineer
so
related
to
those
the
boat
we
have.
We
have
candidates
for
both
the
ad
positions
and
planning
and
development.
L
Those
have
been
selected
or
approved
by
the
cm
and
we're
just
working
on
processing.
So
I'm
super
excited
about
that
and
they
should
be
on
board
in
the
next.
You
know
three
to
four
weeks:
we
also
hired
a
new
planning
manager,
maggie
moore
she's,
starting
next
monday,
she's
coming
from
the
county.
I
think
she'll
be
a
huge
asset
to
the
planning
division,
really
excited
about
having
her
on
board.
L
Then,
if
you
all
have
any
questions
about
our
unfilled
vacancies
or
positions,
I'm
definitely
prepared
to
go
go
through
that.
I
can
share
my
screen
with
with
our
orchard.
If
needed,
you
know
we
definitely
are
struggling
with
some
of
these
positions
that
are,
you
know,
quote
unquote
unicorns,
that
are,
you
know
very
specialized
positions
that
are
hard
to
hard
to
fill
and
are
very
competitive
in
the
market,
but
we
are
at
a
23
vacancy
rate,
which
is
you
know
much
better
than
it
was
even
half
a
year
ago.
L
So
then,
on
the
just
a
little
bit
about
the
budget,
I
don't
want
to
talk
too
much,
because
I
know
you
all
have
lots
of
questions
about
each
one
of
these,
but
I
just
want
to
give
the
highlights
so
on
the
salary
increases
we're.
You
know,
we're
really
happy
to
see
those
increases,
and
I
think
it
will
help
us
become
more
competitive
and
optimize
our
position
to
ensure
retention
and
increase
productivity
and
morale,
and
we
definitely
want
to
ask
for
more
positions
in
the
mid
year.
L
That's
the
the
very
short
story
on
that:
the
300k
for
the
chapter
14
in
growth
management,
comp
plan
growth
policy.
I
think
we
need
to
come
to
terms
on
the
names
of
those
things
anyway,
the
the
300
that
we
asked
for
last
year.
I
think
it
was
320
that
eli
had
asked
for
that's.
L
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
it's
on
this
list,
but
it's
actually
part
of
our
maintenance
budget,
so
we're
asking
for
that
as
quite
as
a
quote,
unquote
rollover-
and
we
just
didn't-
have
the
capacity
to
to
get
to
those
things
last
year,
but
we're
definitely
rolling
on
them
this
year.
L
And
so
we
did
have
to
use
a
little
bit
of
that
money
just
to
stay
afloat,
and
so
that's
the
the
41k
that
you
see
there
that
was
used
for
things
like
engineering,
division,
inspections,
training.
All
these
are
all
contracts,
things,
historic
preservation,
case
management,
support,
traffic
engineering,
support,
drt,
stenography
services
needed
computer
hardware
and
software
and
then
strategic
small
remodeling
of
the
office
just
so
that
we
can
still
be
in
city
hall
and
function.
L
L
I'm
excited
about
the
250k
for
the
neighborhood-based
planning
and
100k
for
downtown
planning.
So
I
feel,
like
those
will
be
rolled
into
the
general
comp
plan
initiative
and
to
councillor
viral's
point
and
rich
brown.
I
I
believe,
with
the
you
know,
the
general
plan.
Definitely,
you
know,
has
these
categories
that
I
think
we
still
want
to
capture,
but
in
a
more
in
a
more
kind
of
holistic
way,
but
anyway
they
are
they're,
definitely
categorized
and
they
don't
just
involve
land
use.
So
I
think
it
is.
You
know
fair
to
disperse
that
funding.
L
Even
though
it
may
end
up-
and
you
know
into
into
one
comp
plan
in
three
to
five
years
so
anyway
back
to
the
other-
those
neighborhood
plans,
so
these
these
are
for
playing
initiatives
that
will
assess
and
work
to
integrate
the
opportunities
and
needed
support
structures
to
increase
the
general
prosperity
and
functionality
of
these
of
these
zones
and
areas.
L
These
buckets
will
be
a
part
of
the
larger
initiative,
as
I
mentioned,
and
will
really
help
us
to
understand
and
respond
to
the
needs
of
the
council,
districts
and
the
downtown
you
know
and
help
us
find
these
place-making
opportunities.
L
You
know
initiatives
and
you
know
places
for
where
we
can
put
revival
efforts
to
revitalize
the
those
zones.
You
know
and
discover
these
all
these
nexuses
and
independent
interdependencies
that
we
kind
of
you
know
know
conceptually
in
our
minds
that
are
there,
but
really
you
know
categorize
those
and
collect
data
around
them
and
understand
you
know
what
people
really
want
and
need
to.
You
know
make
santa
fe
more
livable
and
friendly
for
everyone.
L
I
think
it'll
also
aid
in
refinement
of
our
approach
to
accessible
and
sustainable.
You
know
townscapes
and
neighborhood
conservation,
which
is
already
in
the
code,
but
I
think
could
be.
I
think
we
need
to
build
on
it,
and
you
know
I
think
those
those
aspects
can
really
go
a
long
way
to
enhance
the
general
quality
of
life
and
just
you
know
one
example.
Is
you
know
this?
This
push
for
outdoor
dining,
which
I
think
we
it
was
really
a
blessing
in
disguise
with
covid.
L
You
know
allowing
that
to
flourish,
and
I
think
it's
a
really
great
thing
that
we
want
to
keep,
and
so
you
know
part
of
this
assessment
could
be.
You
know,
for
example,
coming
up
with
an
outdoor
dining
ordinance.
That's
just
one
small
example:.
L
L
You
know
provide
this
support
for
these
teams,
and
especially
in
the
development
approval
process,
infrastructure
development,
review
inspections,
training,
archaeological,
consulting
planning,
consulting
things
like
that.
We've.
L
You
know
we're
really
working
on
developing
the
the
department,
but
we've
you
know
due
to
covert
we're
not
in
a
great
position,
staffing,
wise
and
we,
you
know
we
have.
We
are
having
trouble.
You
know,
built
building
the
department
on
some
level
with
some
of
these
critical
positions,
so
these
contracts
are
really
just
to
help
us
shore
that
up
and
our
you
know
an
interim
measure
until
we
can
get.
You
know
permanent
staff
on
board
to
to
take
on
these
to
take
on
that
workload.
L
Actually,
we
hired,
but
we've
got
to
kind
of
in
building
division,
we're
trying
to
hire
at
the
permatech
level,
and
we've
had
people
that
are
really
qualified
that
have,
you
know,
climb
the
ladder
pretty
quickly
and
that
that's
a
good
thing,
but
what
it
does
is
it
leaves
a
vacuum
at
the
permatech
level,
where
we
need
this
traffic
cop
that
we've
been
talking
about.
I
think
that
person
will
really
be
essential
to
helping
us
channelize
and
manage
communications.
You
know
this
very
large
amount
of
external.
L
You
know
incoming
communications
that
we
always
need
to
manage
and
stay
on
top
of
so
that
people
understand
that
we
are,
are
there
being
responsive?
I
think
that's
one
thing
that
we
really
struggle
with
we.
You
know
we
we
get
all
these
communications,
but
it's
very
hard
to
respond
to
them
in
a
timely
fashion,
so
really
developing
a
a
a
position
and
the
support
of
digital
technology
that
we
need
to
channelize
those
communications
and
make
our
responsiveness
more
effective.
L
L
We
needed
to
do
that
for
a
long
time.
I
think
it's
just
reaching
a
critical
critical
point,
because
that
room
is
just
not
big
enough,
so
we
need
to
get
everything
scanned
and
then
work
on,
and
then
you
know
now:
whenever
new
plants
come
in,
we
scan
those
automatically
you
know,
and
then
they
go
into
their
digitized
automatically.
L
The
srt
data
about
that
excuse
me
str
data,
that's
in
the
maintenance
budget
as
well,
and
that's
short-term
real
data
collection.
I
know
I
think
some
counselors
might
have
might
have
questions
on
that.
We
do
need
that
to
keep
track
of
the
short-term
riddles
that
are
coming
in,
because
there
are,
there
are
more
than
a
few
that
are
not
permitted
and
that's
how
we
catch
them
and
just
make
sure
that
they
stay
in
compliance.
L
You
know
that
they're
inspected
for
life
safety
issues
before
they
open
up
things
like
that,
and
then
I
think
I've
addressed
everything
except
the
training
for
staff.
Basically,
I've
asked
to
double
our
training
budget
just
in
a
number
one
in
an
effort
to
push
to
further
professionalize
the
department
give
people
the
you
know
the
that
opportunity
for
for
professional
development
and
also
to
maintain
the
required
current.
L
You
know
the
certificates
and
ceus
that
are
required
to
really
you
know,
support
the
department
and
require-
and
you
know,
fulfill
the
required
land
use
activities
and
approvals,
and
we've
we
suffered
a
little
bit
from
cohen.
You
know
just
with
these
a
lot
of
these
opportunities
just
not
being
available,
so
we
have
some
catch
up
to
do
so.
That's
in
a
nutshell,
that's
why
I
asked
for
that
budget.
Sorry
to
be
a
little
bit
long-winded,
but
I
did
want
to
just
give
you
all
that
cursory
overview
and
I'll
stand
for
questions.
A
Thank
you
if
we
can
stop
sharing
the
screen.
That'll
help
me-
and
I
think
you
know
your
presentation
and
going
into
detail
was
a
good
thing.
I
know
we're
gonna
dive,
probably
even
deeper.
This
is
a
very
important
department
and
doing
really
important
work
that
the
community
is
very
interested
in
so,
and
I
agree,
I
think
there
are
probably
some
questions
around
this
growth
management.
Slash
code,
update,
slash
general
plan
update
and
we
probably
need
to
you
know
dive
into
that
a
little
bit.
A
So
I
will
we've
got
hands
up
from
the
committee
I'll
we'll
start
with
the
committee
members
and
then
maybe
I'll
follow
up
so
councillor
cassette.
J
Thank
you
so
much,
madam
chair,
and
and
thank
you
so
much
director
kluk
for
your
presentation
and
your
work
that
you
guys
you
guys
have
a
lot
going
on.
So
since
we
are
on
the
topic,
let's
go
ahead
and
jump
into
to
all
of
the
different
titles
and
names
of
our
planning
efforts.
We
know
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
conversation
about
the
need
for
a
comprehensive
plan
update.
We
have
a
lot
of
different
budget
items
that
are
listed
out
here.
L
Sure
so
thank
you
counselor
madam
chair
counselors,
counselor
cassid,
so
just
a
minute
here.
L
Well-
and
I
you
know
that
you
know
my
head-
is
just
full
of
operations
stuff
right,
so
it's
just
like.
I
have
to
keep
notes
on
these
initiatives
anyway,
so,
first
of
all,
just
the
so
what
we're
doing
I
just
want
to
start
with
what
we're
doing
right
now,
so
we
we
will
need
around
150
k
for
the
first
section
of
the
chapter
14
update,
which
strategically
we
decided
to
do.
L
First,
we
obviously
need
to
roll
in
and
have
the
the
growth
management
plan
or
growth
optimization
plan
comp
plan
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute,
because
I
think
they're
all
the
same
thing
and
it's
just
it's
really
how
we
want
to
talk
about
them
and
how
we
decide
how
we
decide
what
we
want
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Actually,
you
know
what
we
want
that
document
to
look
like
and
how
we
want
it
to
function
anyway.
L
So
for
chapter
14
we
have
a
rfp
that
was
issued
for
three
phases:
phase,
1a
and
1b
are
funded
currently
and
those
the
phase
1a
will
basically
be
a
diagnostic
review
code,
hygiene
and
technical
corrections.
So
this
will
include
identifying
inconsistencies.
You
know
circular
and
unclear
references,
conflicts
and
areas
of
needed
simplification,
clarification,
coordination
or
explanation.
That
kind
of
thing
just
to
make
the
code
easier
to
read
and
also
probably
adding
a
lot
of
or
modifying
a
lot
of
the
information
so
that
it's
more
graphically
oriented.
L
L
So
there
are,
you
know,
lots
of
models
out
there
that
these
you
know,
consultants
that
have
proposed
have
shown-
and
I
think
we've
picked
a
good.
I
can't
disclose
it
now,
but
I
think
we've
picked
a
we're
on
the
way
to
picking
a
good
consultant
to
recommend
for
approval
to
you
all
who
has
a
lot
of
experience
doing
these
things
so
yeah,
so
the
first
phase
is
really
just
clean
up
and
then,
after
that,
it's
to
develop
and
support
implementation
of
strategies
and
plans
to
promulgate
the
phase.
L
The
phase
two
will
be
those
structural
changes
where
we
want
to
make
strategic
recommendations
to
promote
key
standards
and
amendments
to
the
land,
use
development
code
that
achieve
city
planning
and
development
priorities,
and
then
yeah
undertake
a
comprehensive
code
standard
update
process
with
the
relevant
land,
use,
divisions,
partner
departments,
community
development
representatives,
etc.
L
Just
to
make
sure
that
we
are
covering
you
know
and
listening
having
focus
groups
and
and
inviting
you
know,
stakeholders
yourselves
included,
obviously
to
kind
of
attack
these
the
structural
issues
that
people
feel
like
we
have
with
with
the
code.
L
I
would
add,
you
know
public
public
good,
but
that's
not
in
the
code,
so
I
think
we
really
need.
I
think
we
need
to
take
that
to
heart,
and
I
think
you,
you
read
that
first
part
of
the
code
and
you're
like
oh
great
and
then
you
start
getting
into
it.
L
It's
like,
like
one
of
the
planters
likes
to
say
it's
like
it's
like
an
onion
once
you
start
to
peel
it
you,
it
makes
you
cry
once
you
start
to
it's
like
an
onion
once
you
start
to
you,
know,
peel
it
and
uncover
and
see
how
you
know
how
complex
it
is.
Anyway.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
simplifications
in
there
that
we
can
work
on
we're
actually
already
working
on
the
background,
but
we
want
to
do
it.
L
You
know
in
priority
order,
and
so
they
really
we're
attacking
things
in
an
order
that
makes
sense
so
that'll
be
phase
two
and
then
phase
three
will
be
to
integrate
this
growth
policy
initiative.
That
will
be
happening
in
tandem
with
the
code.
You
know
once
once
we
know
what
that
is
and
what
we
want
it
to
do.
You
know
we
have
to
codify
it,
so
that'll
be
phase
three,
and
so
you
know
we'll
definitely
need
the
that
300
350.
L
So
the
growth
management
plan-
you
know,
I
think
we
can
also
you
know
we
can
use
some
of
that
300
in
tandem
with
that,
and
then
the
250
and
the
100
that
were
added
for
these
other
initiatives.
That
will,
I
think
that
will
cover
us
for
this
three
to
five
year:
growth
management
plan
and
obviously
we
will
have
to
come
back
and
ask
for
the
you
know
the
remainder
that
we
haven't
spent
in
the
previous
year.
L
But
you
know,
I
think,
we're
what
I
think
we
we're
doing
is
proposing
a
20-year
comprehensive
plan.
That's
really
informed
by
the
successes
of
the
current
general
plan
and
because
I
think
the
current
general
plan
is,
you
know
it's.
It
is
technically
outdated,
but
it's
also,
you
know
a
fantastic
moral
document
and
I
think
it's
been
a
really
good
guide
over
the
last
20
years.
L
It
wasn't
quite
as
it
didn't
have
the
specificity
that
it
probably
should
have
had
around
the
initiatives,
and
so
I
think
the
the
new
comp
plan
should
have
an
emphasis
on
a
dynamic
growth
policy
that
highlights
the
creation
and
optimization
of
opportunities
for
the
development
of
community
resources
and
access
to
them
and
helping
to
create
a
sense
of
place,
making
and
belonging.
L
You
know-
and
this
includes
optimization
of
our
known
resources-
land,
water,
people,
culture,
our
unique
places
in
sense
of
place
here,
economic
potential
and
inclusion
of
all
the
things
that
we
haven't
thought
of,
yet
that
these
you
know,
stakeholders
will
come
to
the
table
with
and
make
santa
fe
the
place
we
want
it
to
be,
and
so,
but
in
the
end,
this
document
released,
identify
the
desired
and
attainable
goals
and
tie
it
to
a
very
concrete
implementation
plan
with
prospective
outcomes.
L
That's
what
I
think
it
needs
to
be
in
a
nutshell.
Obviously
it's
a
very
complex,
endeavor
and
so
yeah,
and
then
adding
in
these.
I
you
know
they
already
needed
to
happen,
but
I
think
it's
you
know
it's.
It's
there's
a
lot
of
wisdom
in
adding
the
neighborhood-based
planning
and
the
downtown
planning
is
part
of
that
budget
because
they
definitely
those
will
be
integral
to
this
comp
to
this
comprehensive
plan.
J
Think
we
started,
you
know,
I
think,
what's
really
complicated
about
this
discussion
is
that
there
is
a
chapter
called
growth
management
and
what
we
are
talking
about
is
much
more
than
what
is
just
included
in
chapter
four
of
our
current
general
plan
and
I
think
you're
right.
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
good
in
the
general
plan.
J
I
I
have
in
fact
read
it
and
that
there
is
a
lot
that
we
can
build
from,
and
just
the
thing
that
you
said
to
me,
that
is
one
of
the
most
important
pieces
is
that
there
really
is
this
an
outcome
that
is
actionable
in
the
end,
so
we're
having
a
lot
of
conversations
about
how
do
we
grow
our
city,
and
so
I
understand
why
this
growth,
optimization
term,
really
came
to
fruition.
J
But
there
does
come
to
this
point
of
brass
tax.
You
know
when
we're
talking
about
where
things
are
going
to
go
and
how
tall
they're
going
to
be
and
how
dense
they're
going
to
be
and
how
that
interacts
with
transit
and
how
that
interacts
with
all
those
pieces.
And
so,
if
I'm
understanding
you
correctly,
what
we
keep
calling
a
growth
management
or
growth,
optimization
plan
does
seem
to
incorporate
all
of
these
different
aspects
of
the
general
plan
of
a
comprehensive
plan,
or
is
there
something
that
we
are
missing?
L
Chair
counselors,
counselor
cassid,
I
I
think
it
is
semantics.
You
know
there.
There
are
plenty
of
communities
out
there
that
call
their
general
plan
a
growth
policy
it
it
is
a
general
plan,
but
they
call
it
a
growth
policy.
So
I
think
it
really.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
informed
by
our
general
plan
and
I
think
we
probably
should
call
it
a
general
plan,
so
we
don't
have
to
change
it.
Five
million
times
in
the
code,
yeah.
L
L
That
everybody
is
interested
in
also
starts
to,
as
I
think
to
his
credit
director,
isaacson
was
trying
to
achieve
with
his
growth
management
presentation
is
to
really
start
to
not
only
outward
but
inward,
with
the
city
start
to
break
down
these
silos
and
find
these
cross
connections
that
we
can
benefit
from
and
all
you
know
the
missed
opportunities
that
we
have
right
now
because
of
siloing,
and
you
know
not
to
it's
not
a
discredit
to
anyone.
L
You
know
it's
just
the
way
the
system
is
right,
and
so
I
think
we
can
start
to
shift
that
and
use
this,
as
a
document
to
you
know,
find
these
interconnections
and
interdependencies
between
the
the
city,
administration
and
and
departments
and
and
the
community,
as
as
each
one
of
those
relate
to
the
community
right
and
uses
uses
document
as
a
guiding
light.
But
then,
yes,
it
does
have
very.
L
J
Okay:
okay!
Well,
that's
that's
good
to
hear
and-
and
you
know
as
I
I
do
appreciate
you
speaking
to
that
interdepartmental
collaboration
there-
you
know
you
and
I
have
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about
how,
when
we're
looking
at
a
comprehensive
plan,
we're
not
just
looking
at
buildings
but
also
things
like
transportation
and
parks.
J
The
one
thing
that
I
don't
see
in
here
as
much
but
that
I'll
be
interested
is,
is
again
how
this
interacts
with
that
community
development
plan,
and
I
think
that
there's
really
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
for
that
conversation.
So.
L
J
Wonderful,
I
mean-
and
I
think
that
that
really
is
crucial,
that
that
we
do
have
these
conversations
and
that
the
general
plan
really
is
the
place
that
this
needs
to
occur
with
all
of
these
different
planning
options
in
the
city.
J
So
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
it's
semantics
I'd
like
to
maybe
straighten
out
those
semantics,
because
this
conversation
is
happening
in
a
lot
of
different
places
and
so
so
kind
of
getting
this
really
secured
down
that
that
we're
doing
a
general
plan
update
and
obviously
it's
going
to
happen
in
pieces.
This
is
a
big.
This
is
a
big
pull,
a
big
push.
L
I
apologize
if
I
may
I'd
like
to
make
one
more
point
of
clarification,
if
you
all
don't
mind
so
on
that
note,
I
think
that
we're
at
a
pivotal
time
in
the
city,
where
you
know
we
don't
have
large
expanses
of
land
to
develop
right.
So
I
think
that's
another
key
reason
why
we
do
want
this
update
to
be
colored.
You
know-
and
you
know,
focusing
particularly
on
optimization
right
on
growth
optimization.
L
I
think
that
does
need
to
be
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
gold
star
right
amongst
all
the
things
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
just
because
it
is
so
critical.
You
know
we.
We
need
to
be
really
cognizant
about
the
infill.
You
know
the
land.
We
have
left
the
resources
that
we
have
left
right
and
how
to
best
utilize
those.
So
I
think
it
is.
I
think
it's
not
coincidental.
You
know
that
we
that
we're
focusing
on
growth,
optimization.
L
It
just
makes
total
sense
in
the
in
the
time,
and
you
know
the
period
that
we're
in
with
you
know
in
the
history
of
santa
fe.
J
Yeah,
I
I
I
can
absolutely
see
how,
as
I
said,
that
you
know
why
this
terminology
really
rose
to
the
top,
but
just
making
sure
that
it
does
have
that
comprehensive
nature
to
it
that
we
know
that
it
needs.
J
I
did
want
to
dive
a
little
bit
into
the
you
know:
250
000
for
neighborhood
based
planning
and
then
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
a
downtown
plan.
I
really
like
the
idea
of
diving
into
neighborhoods.
How
do
we,
not
just
you
know,
build
buildings,
but
how
do
we
really
create
neighborhoods
and
communities
out
of
them
the
kind
of
distribution
of
those
funds
with
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
just
downtown
and
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
neighborhoods?
I
would
assume
throughout
the
rest
of
the
city,
the
downtown.
J
You
know
if
we're
going
to
talk
place,
making
the
downtown
is
it's
very
much
it's
much
more
made
as
a
place
than
a
lot
of
other
places
in
the
district,
and
so
I
am
curious
about
that
distribution
of
funds,
because
I
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
areas
of
the
city
that
need
a
lot
more
focus
and
not
to
say
that
downtown.
J
You
know,
there's
there's
always
opportunities
there,
but
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
some
of
the
parts
of
the
city
and
a
lot
of
parts
in
my
district
which
district
4
is
receiving
the
bulk
of
construction.
J
These
days,
the
vast
majority
of
these
new
you
know,
new
housing
units
are
happening
within
district
4
and
then
district
3,
following
up
pretty
close
behind
us,
so
really
making
sure
that,
given
that
that
is
where
so
much
growth
is
happening,
that
we
are
adequately
funded
in
really
receiving
these
dollars
for
this
place
making
and
for
ensuring
that
we
are
not
just
creating
kind
of
that
suburban
sprawl
feeling
in
districts.
Three
and
four.
So
can
you
speak
a
little
bit
more
to
that
of
how
these
funds
it?
Just?
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselors,
counselor
cass,
said
yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
I
could
speak
to
it
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
director,
brown
and
maybe
mayor
webber
are
better
positioned
to
fill
in
the
blanks
on
that.
I
think
the
the
magnitude
of
the
funding
is
does
take
into
account
that
the
downtown
is,
you
know,
a
district
unto
itself
so
to
speak,
and
then
we
do
have
four
other
districts
that
you
know
will
that
we
want
to.
L
You
know,
work
on
that
placement,
those
place
making
opportunities.
So
that's
why
the
budget
is
larger.
It's
definitely
hard
to.
You
know,
pinpoint
an
exact
number
that
it
will
take,
but
I
think
these
these
figures
will,
you
know,
definitely
get
us
in
the
right
direction
for
working
on
those
issues,
and
I
want
to
make
it
for
mark
for
my
side.
L
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
I
think
part
of
the
downtown
initiative
is
to
aid
accessibility
for
the
whole
city
to
downtown
right
to
to
make
sure
that
people
really
feel
like
they
are
welcome
and
have
access
to
the
amenities
downtown,
even
though
they
may
live
on
the
south
side,
and
maybe
you
know,
maybe
vice
versa,
also,
and
then
these
you
know
the
neighborhood
base
planning.
L
Obviously
that's
going
to
be
more
in-depth
and
a
little
bit
more
tricky,
and
probably
long
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
tricky's
a
good
word,
but
you
know
what
I
mean
like
it's
going
to
be
more
complex
and
probably
take
longer
to
tease
out
you
know
what
what
the
needs
are
and
make
sure
everyone's
you
know
being
treated
fairly
across
the
board
and
people
are
getting
the
resources
that
they
need
and
desire
by
district.
So
I
think
that's
why
that
proportion,
or
that
you
know
that
that
funding
was
a
little
bit
higher.
L
J
Yeah,
just
you
know
some
quick
math
that
if
we
were
kind
of
looking
at
downtown,
if
we'd
like
we're
to
say
five
districts
with
downtown
being
its
own
district,
that
would
we
still
leave
only
about
62
500
for
each
of
the
other
districts.
So
so
again
it
just.
It
feels
really
imbalanced
based
on
where
the
need
is,
but
I
will
director
brown
or
mayor
webber.
If
you
have
more
to
add
to
that.
G
I'll,
madam
chair
council
kassad,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
I'll
I'll,
try
to
add
a
little
bit
more
color
and
maybe
mayweather
would
like
to
add
something
to.
But
I
think
that
if
we,
if
we
look
at
downtown
as
in
the
context
of
of
it
being
our
our
beating
heart
of
the
city,
but
it's
also
changing
and
it's
still
the
beating
heart
and-
and
I
think
director
cook
said
something
was
a
very
important
from
a
standpoint
of
that.
G
We
want
to
make
sure
that
that
downtown
is
being
used
for
all
of
our
citizens,
not
our
tourists.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
live
on
the
south
side
that
never
come
downtown.
How
do
we
work
through
that?
It
is
the
pride
of
our
city,
but
they
live
five
miles
away,
but
they're
never
there,
and
how
do
we
work
through
a
strategy
to
get
that
part
put
together
and
also
that
the
downtown
is
changing
in
many
ways
and
downtown?
G
I'm
thinking
of
all
the
way
out
to
the
rail
yard
right
the
rail
yard's
changing
right
and
at
the
fact
that
we
have
startup
companies
downtown.
We
have
housing
issues
downtown.
We
have
a
mix
of
of
outdoor
dining
is
starting
to
come
downtown.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
key
things
that
are
very
unique
to
downtown
as
a
quarter
that
I
think
the
the
the
dollar
spent
there.
G
Maybe
we
don't
need
it
all,
but
I
think
that's
a
start
for
us,
because
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
make
sure
that
this
center
heart
that
we
have
is
a
bit
a
bigger
focus,
and
so
I
think,
as
we
move
along
with
the
the
planning
and
the
development
and
the
public
engagement
of
it,
we
might
say
you
know
what.
Maybe
it
only
took
us
75
000
to
get
to
the
outcomes
we're
looking
for.
G
But
we
wanted
to
start
here
because
we
recognized
that
it
is
sort
of
the
original
center
of
the
city
and
kind
of
start
from
there,
and
I
want
to
add
also
that
this
neighborhood-based
planning
I
I've,
lived
in
very
many
cities
around
the
country
and
where
I
used
to
live,
we
were
all
very
proud
of
our
neighborhoods
and
when
I
moved
to
santa
fe,
I
realized
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
know
the
names
of
different
neighborhoods.
G
G
So
I
think,
if
we,
if
we
take
the
the
number
that's
specific
there
out
for
a
minute,
I
think
that
it
is
just
a
way
to
say
we're
just
pointing
a
small
stake
in
the
ground
now
to
say
this
is
what
we
think
is
going
to
happen,
because
downtown
is
one
of
our
most
important
spots,
but
it
could
change
that
number
could
change
and
we're
hoping
that
we
come
back
to
the
council
and
committees
to
sort
of
talk
about
what
we
think
it's
going
to
be
once
we
develop
sort
of
framework
plans
to
present
for
further
approval.
G
N
I
can
I
can
also
weigh
in
a
little
bit,
because
I
think
this
is
a
both
and
not
an
either
or
case.
I
think
we've
got
very
clear
needs
and
many
neighborhoods
many
districts
for
what
have
been
identified
in
the
past
as
quarter
and
node
studies
specifically,
we've
got
very,
very
heavily
developed
corridors
that
have
been
allowed
to
to
sort
of
grow
organically
or
in
a
laissez-faire
manner,
without
a
lot
of
planning
and
then
in
many
of
those
districts.
N
They
culminate
in
a
node
of
economic
activity,
and
I
think
we
owe
it
to
our
residents
to
do
a
comprehensive
look
at
those
most
heavily
utilized
and
often
focused
on,
but
not
planned
quarters
and
nodes
and
they're
there.
N
You
know
which
ones
I'm
talking
about,
because
we
you
and
I've
talked
about
this
before
counselor
cass-
that
those
are
the
those
are
the
arteries
with
the
specific
commercial
and
multi-purpose
developments
at
nodes
and
with
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
we've
never
really
done
planning
at
that
level
to
really
focus
on
providing
some
coherence
and
guidance
to
where
those
developmental
or
development
opportunities
are
and
how
to
make
them
work
better.
N
For
the
for
each
district,
the
downtown
planning
effort-
I
think
I
don't
have
the
actual
numbers,
but
I
have
a
vague
recollection
that
over
the
last
15
20
years,
the
city's
initiated
several
different
efforts
to
do
some
downtown
planning
and
they've
never
really
led
to
an
outcome
that
was
adopted
or
embraced
and,
as
director
brown
said,
we're
witnessing
a
lot
of
changes
downtown,
including
in
the
rail
yard,
some
of
it
very
exciting,
some
of
it
kind
of
concerning.
N
I
don't
think
the
the
downtown
as
the
heart
of
our
city,
the
historic
center
of
the
city,
the
place
that
has
the
most
emotional
ties
for
for
our
residents.
I
don't
think
it's
it's
gotten
the
attention
of
late
that
it
really
deserves,
and
if
we
simply
assume
that
it's
doing
fine
leave
well
enough
alone,
it'll
continue
to
evolve
and
everything
will
always
be
just
fine
with
with
the
downtown
and
with
the
mark,
the
rail
yard
going
forward.
N
I
think
we
risk
jeopardizing
what,
for
both
our
residents
and
then
for
visitors
is
perceived
to
be
the
very
much
what
director
brown
said:
the
beating
heart
of
santa
fe.
So
I'm
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
devoting
some
resources
rather
than
just
accepting.
Everything
is
fine,
the
way
it
is
and
it
doesn't
really
need
additional
attention.
N
How
can
we
embrace
the
idea
of
more
mixed
use
developments,
so
residents
in
in
residential
areas
have
services
that
are
close
by
and
also
regulate
the
the
development,
so
it
doesn't
just
get
out
of
hand,
don't
let
it
just
be
project
by
project
and
then
tie
that
in
as
if
the
arteries
were
feeding
into
downtown,
so
that
there
is
a
sense
that
the
the
heart
of
the
city
is
also
getting
planning
attention
and
and
quite
conscious
choice
making
about
development,
signage
direction,
attractiveness,
accessibility,
all
of
those
things
to
me
are
gonna,
determine
not
just
the
future
of
downtown
right
now
and
the
future
of
our
arterials
and
nodes,
but
also
this
is
kind
of
the
first
bite
at
a
effort
to
look
at
the
next
10
to
15
years
and
how
those
pieces
fit
together.
J
Thank
you,
director,
brown
and
mr
mayor.
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
that
I
did
not
say
that
the
downtown
was
just
fine
and
dandy.
We
could
ignore
it.
I
did
say
that
there
probably
needs
to
be
some
some
attention
there,
but
that
disproportionately
downtown
has
gotten
much
more
attention
than
the
rest
of
our
city.
That
is
developing
and-
and
I
do
agree,
you
know,
nothing
will
ever
compete.
Downtown
is
the
historical
center
of
our
city,
but
we
do
also
have
some
real
opportunities
at
some
other
cultural
opportunities
throughout
our
community.
J
My
district,
you
know
we
are
fortunate
because
we
have
midtown,
so
we
are
currently
getting
a
lot
of
attention.
Also
with
the
recent
midtown.
I'm
sorry
main
street
project
in
the
silo
roofina
nexus
again
ruffina.
That
corridor
is
well,
it
spans
three
districts,
but
a
lot
of
it
within
district
four,
and
I
think
for
me
it
really
is
this
piece
of,
as
these
areas
are
developing
right
now,
putting
some
at
least
equal
attention.
J
So
I
would
say
there
is
a
yes
and,
but
I
know
I
you
know,
I
hear
it
every
day
from
my
constituents
from
constituents
who
are
not
in
my
district
but
on
the
south
side
of
this
feeling
that
there
has
not
been
enough
attention
on
that
part
of
the
city
and
some
of
it
I
agree
with,
and
some
of
it
I
don't.
You
know.
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
areas
that
we
are
not
given
our
recognition
for
for
some
of
the
efforts
that
have
gone
on
to
the
south
side.
J
But
I
think
that
this
is
a
real
opportunity
that,
while
there
does
need
to
be
you
know,
how
do
we
continue
to
grow
downtown?
It
is
going
to
continue
to
be
our
our
center.
It
is
where
our
the
plaza
is.
It's
where
you
know
it's
our
tourist
center
there's
a
lot
of
events
that
happen
there.
So,
yes,
we
do
need
to
pay
attention
and
we
do
need
to
continue
to
grow
it.
J
But
there
has
been
this
laissez-faire
attitude
with
development
in
other
parts
of
the
city
and
and
I
would
really
like
to
actually
see
these
resources
allocated
evenly
to
other
parts
of
the
city.
I
mean,
if
we're
not
going
to
go
on
a
hey
who's,
developing
the
most,
in
which
case
pass
that
money
over
to
district
four,
but
you
know
we
can
do
if
we
can
look
at
this.
You
know,
and
I
would
like
to
see
this
money
split
more
evenly
throughout
the
districts.
J
Although,
honestly,
if
I
think
about
it
from
a
really
strategic
point
of
view
yeah,
I
think
that
we
should
be
looking
at.
Where
is
development
really
really
flowing
and
then
we're
looking
at
governor
miles
and
richards,
and
then
we
are
looking
at
airport
road
and
then
we
are
looking
at
tierra
contenta
and
how
are
we
really
doing
the
place
making
there
we're
looking
at
ruffina?
J
You
know
there
are
parts
of
town
that
I
wish
that
I
could
rip
up
and
start
again,
but
we
can't
do
that
and
so,
while
we
you
know,
don't
have
to
do
that
in
you
know
right
now,
while
we
have
this
chance,
I
think
that
we
should
really
put
that
investment
in
at
the
beginning,
and
so
I
would
argue
for
a
more
even
distribution
of
downtown
planning
versus
the
neighborhood
based
planning
I'll
leave
that
conversation
there.
J
I
you
know
I'd
like
to
hear
what
my
colleagues
have
to
have
to
think
about
this.
These
are
numbers
that
I
don't
think
that
this
will
come
back
to
us
well,
350
thousand
dollars,
if
it's
all
coming
back
at
once.
So
if
we're
going
to
see
this
in
a
contract
or
how
we
will
have
an
opportunity
to
really
see
how
this
boils
down
jason-
maybe
that's
a
question
for
you.
You
know
when
we
may
be
allocating
350
000
for
neighborhood
and
downtown
based
planning.
J
Where
is
our
check
on
this
when
it
comes
down
to
the
brass
tax
of
it
all,
or
maybe
that's
a
merry
question,
or
maybe
it's
a
rich
question.
I
don't
know,
go
ahead,
whoever
wants
to
answer.
A
J
J
J
Okay
and
then
we
have
15
vacant
positions,
three
of
which
you
mentioned
there
are
offers
out,
and
so
that
is
12
vacancies.
J
L
Madam
chair
counselors
counselor
cassette.
No,
we
we
currently
have
four
senior
planners
well,
three
that
are
in
their
positions
and
then
one
that
was
promoted.
Who
will
be
a
senior
planner
saying
who
was
a
planner?
L
And
so
then
we
will
have
one
more
senior
planner
position
to
fill
and
two
planner
positions
to
fill.
One
is
the
ciac
planner
and
then
one
is
we'll.
You
know
we'll
need
a
backfill
for
the
the
previous
planners
position,
who
you
know
they
do
things
like:
pcrs,
cannabis
and
and
all
actually
actually
most
of
the
zoning
verification
letters.
L
Things
like
that,
not
necessarily
planning
cases.
But
a
lot
of
you
know
when
planning
ladies
planning
activities.
L
L
You
sure
I'd
be
happy
to
it's
yeah,
so
I
think
we've
done
really
well
inspections,
but
those
positions
are
challenging
to
fill
and
so
right
now
we
have
one
plumbing
mechanical
and
one
electrical
position
that
are
unfilled.
That
we've,
you
know,
been
re
advertising,
for
I
don't
know
the
last
year
and
a
half
continually
and
we
gradually
have
made
progress,
especially
with
that
increase
that
we
got
at
mid-year
definitely
helped,
and
so
I
think
that
those
two
it's
just
a
matter
of
time.
We
I
think
we
will
get
those
filled.
L
I
think
we
have
the
you
know
we're
where
we
need
to
be
funding
wise
and
to
make
those
attractive,
and
you
know
to
to
bring
in
qualified
people.
It
is
always
tricky
getting
qualified
people
to
land.
You
know
on
in
the
on
the
list
of
eligibles
and
you
know,
go
through
the
process
and
you
know
make
it
to
the
finish
line,
but
hr's,
you
know
been
really
helpful
and
we,
I
I
don't
think
it'll
be
a
big
struggle
to
hire
those
over
the
next
six
months.
L
The
plans
examiner
2
position
that
person
you
know
as
I
as
I
like
to
say.
They
they
really
are
a
unicorn
like
they're,
exceedingly
difficult
to
find
people
that
have
those
qualifications.
L
So
we
really
need
that
position
and
we've
really
been
struggling
to
get
it
filled
and
we're
actively
courting
people
that
we
know
could
fill
it,
but
it
just
we
just
haven't
landed.
We
haven't
been
able
to
land
anybody
yet
so
I
see
that
as
being
an
ongoing
struggle
and
again
it
is
tied
to
this.
You
know
this
need
to
expand
the
green
code
so
that
one's
a
little
bit
of
a
pain
point
and
then,
as
I
as
I
kind
of
mentioned
earlier,
we
in
building
permitting.
L
We
definitely
want
we're
trying
to
create
a
ladder
there,
and
so
there
are
permit
techs
that
come
into
the
permit
tech
position
and
then
they
quickly
climb
up
the
ladder.
You
know,
for
example,
I
just
well
I'm
not
going
to
name
names,
but
anyway
we
had
a
permit
tech
that
came
in
you
know
around
the
time
I
came
in
it's
an
excellent
employee
and
he
went
from
permit
tech
to
permit
specialist
and
now
he's
a
project
administrator,
and
so
we're
constantly
back
filling
there.
L
And
it's
really
it's
easy
to.
Well,
I
say
it's,
it's
quote,
unquote,
easy
to
find
permatex
I
mean
I
think,
they're
relatively
easy
to
find,
because
the
qualifications
aren't
that
high
and
we
have
people
that
are
interested
finding
the
permit
specialists.
You
know,
which
are
the
people
that
bring
in
permits.
L
They
really
do
need
expertise
with
construction
industries,
and
you
know,
reading
plans
etc
and
those
positions
have
been
a
little
bit
more
difficult
to
fill
and
we
do
have
two
vacancies
there,
and
so
our
project
administrator
really
can't
go
into
his
role
fully
until
we
hire
those
positions
and
once
he's
able
to
go
into
his
role,
it
will
he'll
really
start
to
fill.
You
know
and
find
and
fill
all
these
interdependencies
that
need
to
happen
between
permitting
and
engineering
and
and
planning,
etc.
L
Historic
and
not
not
to
mention
the
development
community,
so
they're
really,
you
know
firing
on
all
cylinders.
As
far
as
you
know,
making
land
use
work
as
effectively
as
it
can
where
we
are
so
those
two
are
pain
points
and
then
we
all
again,
we
also
have
it.
We've
really
we've
been
unsuccessful,
getting
planters
and
the
planter
tech
for
engineering,
but
I
think
we've
put
those
out
a
few
times,
but
I
think
we'll,
I
think,
we'll
land
those
positions.
L
Sooner
than
later,
we
have
one
good
candidate
that
will
hopefully
land
for
for
the
ciac
planner,
which
is
critical,
and
the
good
news
is
that
maggie
moore
has
experience
with
with
impact
fees
with
the
county,
so
I
think
she'll
be
able
to
help.
You
know
shore
up
that
section
of
the
department
as
well.
L
I
think
that's,
that's
it
in
a
nutshell.
You
know:
we've.
We
were
struggling
for
a
long,
long
time
on
the
management
side,
but
hopefully
we've
managed
that
you
know
we
have.
We
have
people
coming
in
and
it'll
be
a
game
changer
from
the
management
side
for
sure.
So
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
that.
J
Me
too,
I'm
glad
that
you
guys
are
getting
those
in
so
all
right.
I
will.
I
will
yield
the
floor.
Thank
you
so
much
jason.
I
have
some
other
questions
that
are
mostly
for
my
own
edification.
So,
as
always
you'll
hear
from
me
what
you're
used
to
so
all
right.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Everybody
councilwoman
villarreal,.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
councilwoman
kessler
for
asking
thoughtful
and
important
questions.
I
had
similar
questions
about
it
about
kind
of
the
philosophy
around
the
structure
and
requests
of
funding,
and
I
think
we
do
need
a
more
thorough
discussion.
B
I'm
gonna
ask
my
questions
first
and
then
just
go
back,
move
back
to
the
growth
management,
the
kind
of
philosophical
side
of
things
for
growth
management
code
and
then
also
the
neighborhood
planning
and
downtown
planning,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
the
growth.
The
chapter
14
code
update
we
allocated
320.
B
L
Oh
madam
chair,
counselors
councilwoman
veer
out,
so
we
asked
for
the
320
last
year
and
that
was
actually
four
that
was
allocated
for
chapter
14
and
this
growth
management
plan
that
eli
presented
to
you
all
the
director
isaacson
presented
to
you
all.
L
So
we're
again
we're
basically
asking
for
that
again,
because
we
just
weren't
able
to
get
there
last
year
and
so
yeah,
so
we're
just
asking
to
so
we're
not
asking
for
600
we're
asking
for
the
300
again
basically,
and
then
the
41
is
to
you
know,
part
of
that
that
we
have
to
use
on
operational
expenses
and
then
the
the
100k
and
the
250
for
the
neighborhood
and
downtown
planning
would
bring
us
to
a
little
bit
over
600k
earmark
to
support
all
of
those
initiatives.
B
Okay,
yeah-
and
you
explained
how
part
of
the
what
was
designated
for
general
plan
was
used
for
operational
needs,
so
that
makes
sense.
So
what
did
you
say?
The
total
was
for
all
the
kind
of
planning.
L
My
total,
which
mary
director
mccoy
may
have
a
better
number,
but
I'm
looking
at
six
hundred
thousand
six
hundred
thousand
nine
hundred
and
ten
dollars
to
be
specific.
B
Okay
and
then
the
let's
see.
B
It
okay,
sorry
about
that,
all
right!
Okay,
I
understand
I'm
happy.
You
said
that
on
call
consulting
was
temporary
until
we
fill
those
vacancies
with
our
permanent
staff
positions.
I
think
it's
a
short-term
solution
and
then
the
piece
about
I
didn't
quite
understand
so
the
digital
services
consultant.
B
Are
they
going
to
actually
be
implementing
expanding
the
digital
services?
Are
they
just
going
to
tell
you?
Oh,
this
is
what
you
need,
because
it
sounds
like
you
already
know
what
you
need.
Are
they
going
to
implement
it?
You
talked
about
communications
and
customer
service,
part
of
it,
but
I
didn't
quite
understand
like
how
it
all
tied
in
together.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselors,
counselor
councilwoman,
very
out
so
yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
question,
so
it
is
yeah.
Definitely
I
I
know
exactly
what
I
want
conceptually
and
this
actually
goes
back
to
director
johnson
and
we
just
due
to
covet,
and
you
know,
budget
shortages
etc.
It
was
never
implemented,
but
what
we
really
want.
What
we
really
want
need
to
do
is
to
have
land
use
completely
integrated
into
the
esri
system,
so
that
people
can
go
online
and
you
know,
do
a
pin,
drop
on
a
property
and
just
get
all
the
zoning
information.
L
You
know
every
everything
they
need
at
the
at
the
tips
of
their
fingers.
You
know
we
have
that
now
with
the
current
system,
but
it's
still,
it
still
needs
a
lot
of
development.
So
that's
one
aspect,
and
so
I
would
want
this
trap.
You
know
I
hate
to
call
them
a
traffic
op
anyway.
You
know
this.
This
permit
tech
that
manages
the
communications.
L
They
really
really
would
be
a
mini
crm,
so
they
would
be
in
charge
of
managing
that
in
conjunction
with
gis
and
it
and
then
also
using
some
of
the
the
tools
that
come
in
that
set
with
esri
and
some
of
the
other
tools
that
it
has
that
are
already
being
implemented
with
constituent
services,
basically
integrate
a
a
mini
version
of
that
for
land
use
to
help
just
to
help
us
manage
operations
with
land
use.
Customers-
and
you
know
the
development
community
and
that's
great
try
to
make
that
digital
process
more
seamless
got
it.
B
Yeah,
I
agree
the
accessibility
police
piece
as
well:
okay,
I'll
move
on
to
the
short
term
rental.
So
this
is
the
software
that
we've
had
correct.
This
is
just
adding
funding
to
keep
that
software
going
for
the
short
term.
Rentals.
B
I
think
when
I
look
at
what
counselor
cassette
was
talking
about,
you
know,
when
I
I
am
a
former
planner,
and
when
we
did
an
update
for
the
county,
we
actually
did
the
growth
management
plan
first,
because
it
was
the
it
was,
the
vision
kind
of
like
what
what
was
our
vision
and
it
had
a
qualitative
and
quantitative
piece
and
it
was
really
a
values
document
and
then
the
way
we
codified.
That
is
actually
through
the
update
of
the
code.
B
B
B
So
I'm
confused
about
that,
and
maybe
I
don't
think
you
necessarily
have
to
talk
about
it
now,
but
if
we
could
maybe
just
circle
back
with
that,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
needs
and
what's
the
best
way,
that's
most
efficient
and
then
you're
adding
in
these
other
areas
that
make
sense.
But
it's
also
like
how
do
you
make
sure
that
it's
a
process
that's
easy
to
manage,
instead
of
just
like
having
these
outliers
and
it's
and
making
it
harder
for
your
staff
to
like
zone
in
on?
B
So
I've
done
this
before
and
that's
why
I'm
like
just
learn
from
it?
Learning
from
it
would
be
important.
I
know
it's
a
different
type
of
planning
for
obviously
for
the
county,
but
it's
still
the
same
kind
of
concept.
So
the
other
thing
I
was
gonna
sorry,
I'm.
B
Sure,
if
you
want
to
since
we've
talked
about
it
a
lot
anyway,
I
think
maybe
we
can
that
maybe
council
level-
and
I
can
circle
back
with
you
to
really
understand
that,
because
I
think
there's
probably
some
other
reasons
that
we
didn't
touch
today.
But
the
semantics
are
important,
though,
because
people
won't
understand
it
in
the
public
about
what
we're
doing.
G
And
madam
chair
council
bureau
I'd
like
to
just
interject,
I
think
that
if,
if
we
could
set
up
another
meeting
with
director
club
because
I
have
one
more
department
have
to
get
through,
but
I
think
it's
an
important
conversation
and
I'm
thinking
that
I'd
like
to
have
direct
clue,
come
to
the
quality
of
life
meeting
and
and
get
a
little
deeper
into
this,
because
you
both
brought
a
really
good
question.
And
I
think
this
is
a
great
place
committee.
G
We
can
bring
that
up
so
that
we
can
get
some
clarity,
yeah.
B
I
think
that's
right
one
or
two
that's
great!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
and
then
one
more
point
about
neighborhood-based
neighborhood-based
planning
versus
downtown
planning.
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
my
colleague.
I
actually
don't
think
we're
in
a
space
to
say
or
talk
about
down,
half
downtown
planning
the
way
it
was
framed.
Today
I
mean,
I
think,
both
councillor
lindell
and
I
could
tell
you
exactly
what
we
could
change
to
make
downtown
a
more
vibrant
place
from
what
we've
hear
from
constituents.
B
What
we
hear
from
businesses,
I
mean
it's
really
about
the
accessibility
piece
of
it
downtown
and
the
need
to
maximize
our
amenities
and
potential
to
bring
more
people
downtown
and
mayor
gonzalez
was
on
the
right
track
for
that
he
was
focused
on
people
to
the
plaza,
and
I
think
we
were
getting
momentum
and
a
lot
of
things
have
changed.
I
mean
we
can't
even
figure
out
with
with
a
community
member
how
to
get
a
food
truck
down
there
and
we
have
this
whole
ordinance
around
it.
B
So
things
like
that
just
need
to
change
the
accessibility
piece
and
I
don't
think
we
need
a
plan
to
tell
us
that,
but
I
do
think
there
there's
ways
that
we
can
look
at
neighborhood
neighborhood-based
planning
in
those
areas
for
growth
that
are
certainly
where
we
need
to
be.
I
agree
with
counselor
cass
that
we're
not
looking
and
focusing
on
those
major
growth
places
in
our
city
that
have
been.
B
I
don't
think,
they've
had
attention
at
all,
so
I
think
we
have
an
easier
way
to
look
at
downtown,
that's
right
at
our
fingertips,
so
I
want
to
just
put
that
out
there,
because
I
actually
think
neighborhood-based
planning
is
more
important
and
the
other
thing
is
we.
We
don't
hear
from
neighborhoods
if
we
wanted
to
have
a
vibrant
city
like
director
brown's,
so
that
about
being
proud
of
your
neighborhood
block
parties
would
be
nice
and
do
you
know
how
hard
it
is
for
us
to
make
block
parties
happen?
B
B
So
I
think
we
need
to
change
our
focus
on
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
means
that
money
gets
allocated
differently,
but
downtown
needs
a
different
type
of
planning
that
we
already,
I
think,
already
know
what
we
need
to
do.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
as
place
making
goals
into
the
future.
B
I
think
that's
all.
I
have
related
to
land
use,
questions
on
your
budget
and
look
forward
to
seeing
those
vacancies
filled
and
yeah
there's
a
lot
of
love
that
you
all
have
been
getting.
Finally,
and
I
think
you
know,
there's
a
lot
more,
that
needs
to
be
done.
So
thank
you
for
all
your
efforts.
A
Thank
you
counselor.
We
do
have
at
least
two
more
counselors
and
it
is
3
25
and
we
do
have
a
hard
stop
at
four,
because
one
of
our
committee
meetings
has
another
city
meeting
which
he
chairs.
So
again,
I
just
would
ask
for
brevity.
I
know
I
know
this
is
an
area
we
are
all
interested
in.
I
almost
I.
A
We
need
to
have
a
conversation
of
how
we
have
some
of
these
more
in-depth
conversations,
because
they're
really
important-
and
I
know
we
have
a
high
level
of
interest
and
and
a
lot
to
say
and
contribute.
So
thank
you
guys
for
for
really
asking
these
questions,
but
I
just
want
to
remind
us
all
of
where
we
are
with
time:
counselor
lindell.
I
Just
a
couple
of
things-
and
I
know
that
we'll
talk
about
these
items
later
on,
but
I
do
think
that
district
one,
that
there
is
a
fair
amount
to
do
with
the
downtown
plan.
You
know
all
the
things
that
have
been
said:
downtown
office,
space,
downtown
parking,
downtown
transportation.
I
Those
are
all
topics
that
are
really
deserving
of
a
conversation
and
it's
not
just
about
tourism.
But
what
I
do
on
it,
though,
and
that's
just
a
comment.
I
know
that
we'll
have
more
discussion
on
that,
but
it's
not
a
simple
thing.
So.
I
If
we
have
enough
people
and
when
I
hear
you
say
that
we've
advertised
for
inspectors
for
a
year
and
a
half
and
and
then
you
did
say
you
think
that
all
that
we'll
get
them
in
the
next
six
months.
What
makes
you
think
things
are
different
to
get
them
in
the
next
six
months,
because
if
we
need
to
have
the
discussion
that
we
pay
more
pay
more
to
get
these
jobs
filled,
I
think
we
have
to
do
that.
L
Madam
chair
counselor,
counselors
counselor
lindell.
Thank
you,
so
we
actually
don't
have
any
vacancies
in
enforcement,
we're
finally
fully
staffed.
I
take
that
back.
We
do.
We
do
have
one.
We
actually
have
one
new
position
that
we
need
to
fill,
which
is
the
permit
specialist
for
short-term
rentals,
but
that's
that's
new.
L
It's
definitely
being
covered
by
the
existing
inspectors,
but
once
that
position
is
filled
will
be
even
better
and
I
think
it'll
be
an
easy
easy
easy-ish
position
to
fill
once
that
position
is
filled
will
actually
be
fully
staffed
in
enforcement
and
I've
seen
vast
improvements
since
I've
been
with
land
use
in
enforcement,
we
used
to
struggle
literally
every
week
with
these
just
mining.
You
know
the
minutiae
of
the
enforcement
issues
and
it's
definitely
gotten
a
lot
better
and
easier
to
manage.
The
other
thing
that's
related
to
enforcement.
L
Is
we
do
have
the
the
building
code
enforcement
inspector
on
board
now
who
used
to
be
a
permit
specialist?
So
that's
perfect
because
he
understands
exactly
what
people
you
know.
If
we
have
a
somebody
to
start
a
building
without
a
permit,
he
can
go
out
and
meet
with
them
and
knows
exactly
what
they
need.
L
You
know
to
come
in
and
get
into
compliance,
so
that
was
a
really
position
that
we
asked
for
in
a
previous
budget
and
and
we're
able
to
fill
so
the
reason-
and
I
I
totally
agree
with
you
with
the
and
that's
why
for
mid-year?
That's
why
I
started
with
the
request
for
in
inspections,
because
it's
absolutely
the
most
critical
spot
this,
the
second
one
is
planning
just
fyi
but
and
that'll.
Be
you
know.
Definitely,
my
next.
L
L
We
we
we
may
not,
but
I'm
optimistic,
and
I
think
that
that
you
know
relieving
that
compaction
helped
a
lot,
and
I
don't
think
we
can
do
much
more
honestly
without
a
class
and
comp
study,
because
we've
pushed
the
inspectors
up
where
we
start
where
you
know,
if
we
push
them
up
anymore,
they
will
start
to
have
compaction
with
with
the
supervisors.
I
I
won't
go
on
about
this
I'll.
Just
make
a
quick
comment
on
it
and
yield
the
floor.
A
lot
of
questions
have
been
asked,
and
I
know
this
is
a
budget
hearing
we're
not
talking
about
the
the
form
and
function
and
purpose
of
land
use,
but
I
would
hope
that
at
some
point
in
time
we
would
be
able
to
move
ourselves
forward
in.
I
There
must
be
some
permits
for
very,
very
simple
things
that
people
could
walk
in
the
door
and
have
some
confidence
that
within
three
or
five
days
they
might
have
a
permit
enabled
to
start
what
is
a
very,
very
simple,
small
project.
I
think
that
a
lot
of
these
little
tiny
projects
get
held
up
because
we
are
short
on
personnel,
so
I'm
not
going
to
spend
more
time
on
that.
It's
a
comment
and
I've
tried
to
be
as
brief
as
I
can.
Thank
you
chair.
A
Thank
you
counselor,
and
I'm
I'm
sorry.
These
are
really
important
conversations.
I
also
just
want
to
voice.
I
I
appreciate
councilwoman
via
real
talking
about
the
phasing
of
whatever
we're
calling
it
growth
management
initiative
growth.
You
know,
plan
update
to
the
general
plan.
It
is
a
semantics
question,
but
can
we
just
pick
something
and
stick
to
it?
It
is
so
confusing
for
the
public
and
also
I
I
agree
that
I
think
it's
backwards.
A
People
in
this
community
want
to
talk
about
growth.
They
want
to
understand
that
what
we
are
doing
is
appropriate
that
it's
that
it's
aligning
with
our
values
that
we're
not
giving
up
on
things
that
we
find
important.
So
I
totally
agree
that
that
needs
to
that
conversation
needs
to
come
sooner
rather
than
later
and
needs
to
be
the
framework
for
all
the
you
know:
internal
nitty
gritty
code,
changes
and,
and
that
piece.
A
So
I
look
forward
to
that
to
continue
this
conversation,
I
would
like
to
know
when
this
presentation
or
conversation
happens
at
quality
of
life,
because
I
want
to
be
sure
that
I'm
listening
to
to
what's
happening
and
possibly
participating.
If
the
chairwoman
will
allow
me
to
so
again
very
important,
I
just
want
to
emphasize.
I
too
am
concerned
with
this,
but
again
the
hour
is
late.
We
still
have
one
more
budget
and
we
have
a
hard
stop
at
four.
So
with
that,
do
we
have
a
motion
on
this
budget
clarification.
J
Oh,
I'm
sorry
lindell,
I
was
gonna.
Ask
that
for
the
neighborhood
planning
would
I
need
to
make
a
motion
to
combine
that
into
one
item
of
350
000
for
neighborhood
and
downtown
planning,
or
does
it
not
really
matter
in
terms
of
where
the
money
is,
although
that
would
be
my
motion
that
we
approve
with
the
amendment
to
combine
250,
000
and
101
000
for
neighborhood
and
downtown
based
planning,
and
then
we
can
hash
that
out
when
the
contract
comes
to
us.
A
Do
we
have
a
second
second?
Second,
do
we
have
any
more
discussion
on
what's
happening?
Is
I
don't
know
director
if
you
want
to
comment
on
that
at
all
or.
L
Madam
chair,
yes,
I
think
I
can
so
my
understanding
and
director
mccoy
can
correct
if,
if
I'm
wrong,
that
all
of
the
the
planning
budget
will
end
up
in
one
bucket,
and
so
we
there
is
some
discretion
on
exactly
how
we
can
use
that,
and
I
think
it
is
appropriate
to
director
brown's
comment
about
yeah.
L
It
may
only
take
75
grand
for
one,
you
know
activity
or
another,
and
also,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'd
like
to
also
clarify-
because
I
I
understand
and
agree
with
your
sentiment
and
councilwoman
viral
sentiment
about
like
getting
the
car
before
the
horse.
I
think
the
challenge
here
is
that
there's
an
extreme
urgency
around
both
and
we
that
we're,
basically,
you
know,
dealing
with
a
low-hanging
fruit
right
now,
with
the
chapter
14.
Just
getting
the
you
know
the
the
hygiene
in
order
and
but
but
then
we'll
definitely
have.
L
You
know
two
parallel
tracks
with
the
code
and
the
general
plan
update
and
yes,
the
general
plan
will
have
to
be
in
place
before
we
can
do
the
phase
three
of
the
code
update,
which
will
be
to
integrate
everything.
So
we
actually
are
not
out
of
order,
but
it
will
be
in
tandem
for
a
while
and
then
be
in
the
order
that
you're
speaking
to
at
the
end.
A
Okay,
all
right,
we
are
on
to
tourism,
it's
our
last
budget.
We
have,
you
know
25
minutes,
maybe
and
if
we
need
to,
we
will
kick
it
over
to
tomorrow,
if,
if
we
can't
get
through
it,
so
director
randall-
you
are
here.
O
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
committee.
We've
had
an
amazing
rebound
in
tourism
and
both
and
in
hotel
rate
growth.
O
Lodgers
tax
through
the
first
seven
months
of
this
year,
are
eight
percent
ahead
of
where
we
were
through
the
first
seven
months
of
our
last
year,
pre-covered
and
15,
ahead
of
where
it
was
the
year
before.
When
we
hit
the
high
point
of
12.3
million
dollars
in
largest
tax
collections,
so
we're
we're
well
on
our
way
to
recovery.
O
That's
the
great
news:
I've
got
a
terrific
team
in
tourism,
jordan
gunther
is
our
director
of
marketing
he's
on
with
us,
david
carr,
our
director
of
sales,
those
are
the
two
leaders
and
visit
santa
fe
and
melanie
moore.
Our
director
of
operations,
who's
the
leader
in
for
our
community
convention
center,
want
to
remind
everyone,
we're
100,
funded
by
lodges
tax,
plus
a
small
amount
of
earned
income
that
we
get
from
rental
of
the
facility
sale
of
advertising
on
our
website
and
in
the
visitor
guide
in
the
your
budget
book.
O
There
is
a
little
typo
we're
not
down
733
million
dollars.
I
wish
I
had
that
kind
of
budget
we're
down.
733
thousand
dollars,
so
just
that
is
a
typo
and
the
reason
we're
down
is
because
we've
recovered
1.5
million
dollars.
That
does
not
have
to
be
spent
on
debt
service.
So
in
essence,
we're
up
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars.
O
But
in
fact
it
shows
that
we're
we're
down
a
little
bit
in
our
funding,
but
we're
able
to
allocate
more
of
our
funds
towards
the
essential
parts
of
of
tourism
promotion
and
not
be
paying
paying.
That
million
and
a
half
on
debt
service.
O
A
few
of
the
expansion
items
that
I
think
are
are
critical,
we're
able
to
add
five
new
personnel,
two
security
personnel
for
the
community
convention
center
to
deal
with
some
of
the
issues
we're
having
with
with
homeless
we've,
not
been
able
to
get
this
through
contract
services,
so
we
will
be
adding
to
security
personnel.
If
this
budget's
approved,
those
personnel
can
also
work
to
work
with
the
third
party
security
that
are
in
the
convention
center
to
make
them
more
effective
and
we're
adding
three
new
positions
in
january.
O
The
budget
is
only
for
half
a
year
when
we,
when
we
reopen
the
rail
yard
visitor
center,
we're
using
the
current
rail
yard,
visitor
center
staff,
we'll
use
them
to
staff
the
new
visitor
center
at
water
street
and
then
we'll
be
adding
the
staff
necessary
to
get
the
rail
yard
reopened
1.9
million
dollars
in
advertising.
This
year
we
were
at
1.5
million.
O
We
added
3
million
at
the
halfway
mark,
so
we're
coming
into
this
year,
just
slightly
ahead
of
where
we've
ended
up
the
new
fiscal
year,
slightly
ahead
of
where
we're
going
to
end
up
this
fiscal
year
in
our
advertising
spend-
and
I
expect
our
largest
tax
to
significantly
exceed
what
we
budgeted
and
I'll
be
coming
back
to
probably
get
some
more
advertising
dollars
to
ensure
that
we're
able
to
not
only
maintain
tourism
at
the
current
rate
level
that
we're
seeing,
but
we're
going
to
need
to
help
our
hotels
and
our
short-term
rentals
recover
with
some
of
the
occupancy
that
they're
not
getting
at
this
point.
O
And
finally,
we've
got
significant
dollars
continuing
to
be
spent
on
the
community
convention
center
to
ensure
that
it
that
it
operates
can
operate.
Well
and
that
it
is
properly
maintained,
so
those
are
my
primary
comments.
I
wanna
thank
the
finance
committee
and
and-
and
I
will
our
governing
body
if
I
get
the
chance
for
their
continual
support
of
tourism
and
for
allowing
us
to
do
our
job.
B
Councilwoman
brielle,
thank
you,
madam
chair
I'll,
try
to
be
quick,
so
the
new
security
personnel
and
thank
you,
director,
randall
and
your
team.
A
lot
of
changes
that
have
happened
with
the
downturn
of
the
economy
and
seeing
hearing
that
it's
picking
back
up
is
great
news,
especially
for
your
budget,
so
just
want
to
check
with
the
security
personnel
positions.
These
are
brand
new,
and
it's
is
this
like
having
them
during
the
work
hours
or
will
they
be
utilized
for
events
as
well.
O
O
So
we've
had
a
drive-through
service
come
through
once
a
night
generally,
they
kick
out
at
least
one
or
two
people
who
are
residing
in
our
stairwells
and
that's
just
one
time
a
night
so
and
it's
almost
nightly,
so
we
know
that
so
that's
during
the
colder
months,
then
during
the
great
part,
is,
is
during
the
warmer
months.
O
They
seem
to
move
out
and
the
security
will
be
rescheduled
during
the
day
to
work
with
events
and
and
work
and
provide
more
direction
to
the
third-party
security
that
the
event
producers
hire
on
their
own.
So
we'll
actually
have
trained
security
people
on
our
team
to
work
with
their
that
team
to
make
them
far
more
effective.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
So
I
understand
about
the
reopening
of
the
rallier
visitor
center.
That's
great
news!
These
three
new
positions,
though,
are
specifically
for
a
new
visitor
center
located
on
water
street,
or
was
there
a
space
there
before
that?
I'm
not
recollecting
that
we
used
in
the
past.
O
It's
review
new
information
center
on
water
street
in
conjunction
with
the
new
restrooms,
so
we
will
operate
that
will
be
a
fourth
spot
that
will
be
able
to
provide
information
to
our
visitors.
We're
going
to
be
using
the
rail
yard
staff
that
we've
kept
on
payroll
to
to
currently
to
initially
staff
it.
But
it
requires
three
more
to
have
two
people
per
shift
on
at
a
visitor
center.
B
O
Chair
counselor
vrl,
it's
it's
actually
four
plus
a
supervisor,
so
we
have
five.
This
will
bring
us
to
a
total
of
eight
in
our
visitor
center
operations,
got.
B
It
okay.
Thank
you.
There
was
something
about
the
electronic
access
controls.
Can
you
say
more
about
what
those
are.
O
Commander
chair
councillor
v,
rail
they're
they're,
just
the
the
card
access
for
instead
of
keys,
which
will
allow
us
to
better
monitor
the
locks.
This
came
about
because
we
had
a
actually
a
key
that
was
missing,
that
we
ended
up
finding.
It
was
a
master
key
and
we
realized
to
remaster
key.
This
building
would
cost
more
than
it
would
be
to
convert
it
to
the
electronic
access
that
allows
us
to
at
any
time
disqualify
a
card
if
it
was
missing.
So
it
really
is
a
modernization
of
the
building.
P
B
O
Madam
chair
council
bureau,
this
is
actually
the
system
that
controls
a
lot
of
the
emergency
lighting
and
exterior
lights
that
go
on
and
off.
You
may
have
noticed
often
that
our
lights
are
on
during
the
day
time.
It's
because
the
system
isn't
working
properly
and
it's
outdated
software.
O
We
need
to
update
the
software
and
actually
put
a
few
more
lights
on
it.
What
we
did
before
was
work
with
the
lighting
inside
the
building
the
to
convert
it
to
led,
which
has
resulted
in
a
lot
of
electric
efficiencies.
B
Great
okay,
thanks
for
the
clarity,
the
other
piece
was
the
otap
that
I
had
asked
about,
and
I
was
curious
about
who
staffs
otab.
I
thought
the
funding
actually
because
of
the
name
it
comes
from
occupancy
tax.
So
then
I
was
trying
to
understand
what
the
hundred
thousand
additional
goes
towards.
O
Madam
chair
council,
viral
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
is,
is
funding
we
use
to
that
otab
directs
they
vote
and
they're
the
voting
group.
It's
done
through
a
a
application
process
to
support
new
event
or
expansion
of
events
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
so
that
and
and
it
it's
terminated
at
three
years
of
potential
funding
for
any
particular
organization,
with
the
second
year
being
half
of
the
first
year,
the
third
year
being
half
of
the
second
year.
O
B
O
Allocated
man,
I'm
sure,
council
viral
everything
is
that
we
do
is
through
lodgers
tax,
so
this
is
just
one
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
carved
out
for
this
event.
Support
there
are
there's,
definitely
minimum
funding,
that's
required
of
50
going
towards
advertising,
but
it
doesn't
restrict
other
other
uses,
but
this
just
sets
aside
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we
can
use
to
to
help
events
get
started
or
help
events
expand
as
opposed
to
creating
events
ourselves.
O
Man,
chair,
council,
vero,
that's
the
maximum
we've
ever
funded
it
at
and
to
fund
more
would
would
frankly
take
away
some
of
what
we
can
do
internally
within
our
operations.
So
it
is
our
recommended
amount
for
that
funding.
B
O
B
O
B
Exactly
yeah,
thank
you
for
the
reminder
and
then
last,
why
is
tourism
taking
the
lead
to
study
to
review
the
best
use
of
repurposing
city
hall.
O
O
We
think,
there's
a
desperate
need
for
that
to
happen
and
in
conjunction
with
a
study
of
the
of
movement
of
city
hall
to
another
location,
and
we
just
felt
it
would
be
better
to
be
prepared
with
a
with
a
third-party
study
that
would
that
would,
as
opposed
to
all
of
a
sudden,
rushing
around
to
try
to
figure
out
what
to
do
or
to
have
too
much
of
a
pause
between
a
move
out
of
city
hall
and
not
be
using
that
facility.
It's
a
critical
location,
it's
a
critical
opportunity
for
the
city.
O
B
Yeah,
I'm
not
questioning
that
it
doesn't
mean
or
not
saying
that
it
doesn't
need
to
be
done.
I
actually
absolutely
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
potential
for
city
hall.
I
guess
I
just
don't
think
it
should
be
in
the
vein
of
tourism,
because
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
that
will
be
repurposed
for
only
tourism
related
potential.
So
I
just
want
to
let
director
brown
know
that
if
we
do
look
at
a
study
to
review
best
uses
for
repurposing,
I
wanted
to
look
at
it
holistically,
not
just
for
tourism.
Yes,.
G
Manchester
and
kosoviro,
I
think
you're
right
and
I
just
want
to
add
one
quick
act
on
it's
like
think
of
it
as
a
complex
where
the
convention
center
is,
if,
if
the
city
hall
is
moved,
it's
a
complex
and
one
of
the
ideas
that
I
had
thrown
out
to
the
mayor
after
I
had
too
much
chai
was
that
it
could
be
a
museum
of
the
city
of
santa
fe,
because
we
don't
have
the
museum
of
the
city
of
santa
fe.
G
So
so
it's
just
an
idea
that
would
come
around,
but
but
it
is
a
complex
because
the
convention
center
is
a
part
of
it.
You
could
just
walk
over
to
city
hall,
but
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
the
location.
O
Man,
I'm
sure
council
vero,
that's
exactly
what
we
don't
want
to
happen.
It's
just
us
coming
up
with
a
few
ideas.
The
idea
is
to
really
take
a
look
at
downtown
and
say:
what's
missing
and
and
what
could
be
the
highest
and
best
use
of
this
facility
and
if
it
can
resolve
something,
that's
missing
in
our
in
our
downtown
area
and
I'm
not
speaking
on
director
brown.
B
J
Thank
you,
council
cassette.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
will
be
very
quick
I
I
do
want
to.
I
will
first
of
all
thank
you
director,
randall
for
being
here
and
for
your
presentation.
J
I
also
had
the
same
question
about
the
study
for
the
repurposing
of
of
city
hall
and
also
wanting
to
make
sure
that,
while
it
is
being
funded
from
the
tourism
budget,
that
it
does
not
only
focus
on
what
would
be
best
for
tourism,
but
really
what
would
be
best
for
the
city
as
a
whole,
which
we
know
tourism
is,
is
a
crucial
component
of
our
city.
J
But
there
are
a
lot
of
other
things
to
consider
and
when
we
talk
about
that
highest
and
best
use,
I
think
frequently
we
default
to
dollars,
but
that
that
also
needs
to
be
juxtaposed
with
what
the
social
highest
and
best
use
is.
And
so
I
do
look
forward
to
the
study,
but
I
did
want
to
make
that
comment
as
well
to
really
make
sure
that
that
is
a
robust
study
that
there
are
a
lot
of
different
possible
uses
from
it
from
a
number
of
different
perspectives.
J
Understanding
that
it
is
part
of
downtown,
which
is
absolutely
the
center
of
our
our
tourism
fabric,
but
also,
as
we
have
discussed
at
length
today,
that
it
is
also
you
know,
an
important
part
of
our
city,
my
other
it'll.
It's
really
just
a
comment.
We
can
talk
about
more
about
this
at
length
and
I'm
I'm
curious.
I
know
director
randall.
I've
had
brief
conversations
with
you.
I've
had
brief
conversations
with
jordan
about
this
about
how
we
are
expanding
our
advertising
to
bring
in
different
tourist
populations.
J
We
typically
have
had
kind
of
a
set
tourist
population
that
we've
really
been
looking
at
and
how
we
make
sure
that
we
are
expanding
the
market.
You
know
we
talked
about
this
in
terms
of
outdoor
recreation,
millennials
travel.
In
fact,
a
lot
of
millennials
will
say:
I'm
not
gonna
buy
a
house,
so
I
can
travel
and
also
because,
let's
be
honest,
that's
a
housing
discussion,
but
we
all
know
where
I'm
going
with
that,
but
but
I
am
curious
how
we
are
using
those
tourism
dollars.
J
How
we
are
are
those
advertising
dollars
and
how
we
are
expanding.
J
Our
approaches
to
make
sure
that
we
are
casting
a
really
wide
net,
because
I
think
that
santa
fe
really
does
have
something
to
offer
for
everybody
for
every
type
of
tourist,
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
drawing
as
many
of
them
here
as
possible.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
a
quick
answer
to
that.
We
only
have
six
minutes
left,
but
I'm
I'm
also
happy
to
one
bring
this
to
quality
of
life
or
to
edac
or
just
to
have
a
discussion
offline
in
other
places.
O
Man
of
chair
counselor
cassette,
first,
that
thank
you
for
the
invitation
to
to
casa.
I
know
I've
done
that
before.
O
Please
thank
you
for
the
invitation
to
bring
this
to
quality
life,
because
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
discussion
that
jordan
and
I
would
like
to
have
most
of
our
advertising
is
digital
and
with
that
we're
able
to
target
interests
as
opposed
to
age
groups,
and
the
most
important
thing
we
do
is
bring
people
to
santa
fe
who
enjoy
what
santa
fe
is
and
and
so
by
using
that
really
targeted
digital
type
advertising.
O
We're
able
to
cast
as
wide
a
net
as
we
can,
and
I
say
that
because,
while
a
million
nine
sounds
like
a
lot
of
money
to
be
spending
on
advertising,
the
state
determined
that,
in
order
to
go
into
a
new
market
like
a
san
francisco
market
or
a
chicago
market,
they
can't
do
it
for
less
than
three
million
dollars.
O
So
our
entire
budget
is
two-thirds
of
what
they
consider
it
takes
to
enter
into
a
market.
So
we
do
broadcast
it
as
widely
as
we
can,
but
not
so
thinly
that
it's
not
effective,
and
I
think
that's
the
a
really
important
thing
to
remember
as
we're
able
to
add
these
dollars,
this
extra
money,
the
extra
400
000
that
we
got
both
this
year
and
we'll
have
next
year,
and
I
think
we'll
be
coming
back
to
you
with
a
request
for
more.
O
We
can
use
that
to
break
into
some
of
these
new
areas
of
reaching
out
to
those
people
who
enjoy
what
santa
fe
is
and
and
and
brought
and
cast
that
net
even
further.
So
I
totally
agree
with
you
and
I
I
I
look
forward
to
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this
with
with
quality
of
life.
G
I
got
just
one
I
just
want
to
add
on.
I
just
want
to
add
on
to
what
counselor
cassette
said,
so
we
also
have
our
data
platform
that
informs
a
lot
of
data
about
our
tourists.
That's
going
to
be
helpful
with
your
question
about
how
we
inform
and
target
on
a
wider
net,
so
I
just
wanted
to
plug
the
data
platform,
the
santa
fe
data
platform,
because
that's
another
way
that
we'll
know
whether
we're
reaching
our
audience.
A
H
A
O
Mad,
I'm
sure
that
that
is
the
idea
that
we
could
have
lights
up.
This
requires
a
matching
from
parks
and-
and
I
haven't
yet
heard
whether
that
would
be
in
it.
Whether
we
have
them
turned
on
or
not
is
is
our
decision,
but
on
st
patrick's
day
they
could
be
green
on
valentine's
day.
They
could
be
red
other
times
during
the
winter.
They
could
be
just
white
they'd
be
multi-colored
at
christmas
time
and
we
could
leave
them
off
if
we
wanted
to
at
other
times.
A
Okay,
terrific
and
if
we
could
talk
about
the
repurposing
of
current
city
hall,
I
think
we
need
to
be
talking
about
both
sides
of
it.
Right
that
we
are
looking
at
is
set,
is
city
hall
in
the
best
place
it
could
be,
and
what
would
we
do
if
we
moved
it
and
where
would
we
move
it?
It's
a
it's
a
larger
discussion
and
I
think
the
description
in
the
future
needs
to
show
that
all
right
can
we
get
a
roll
call.
Please
yes,
councillor.
A
F
A
All
right
that
your
budget
is
approved
by
the
finance
committee,
that
is
our
last
budget
for
today,
thank
goodness,
we
didn't
do
arpa.
We
would
never
have
gotten
through
it
in
a
minute.
Do
we
have
director
mccoy?
Do
we
have
anything
else
we
need
to
think
about
before
we
adjourn
adam
chair,
not
at
this
time?
Okay,
so
we
will
see
you
same
place
same
channel
tomorrow
at
1..
Thank
you
all
we're
adjourned.
Thank
you.