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A
Okay,
so
I'd
like
to
call
our
meeting
to
order
it's
the
budget
hearings,
Tuesday
April
30th
at
approximately
102
p.m.
where
we
left
off
last
week
was
with
community
services.
My
intent
is
to
pick
up
with
community
services.
No
thank
you
pick
up
with
community
services
and
then
would
hopefully
conclude
that
and
then
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
Parks
and
Recreation,
so
that
we
can
report
on
the
subcommittee
hearings
findings
this
morning
and
hopefully
wrap
that
up
and
then
pick
up
with
tourism.
A
We
can
get
through
that
through
that,
and
that
would
catch
us
up
to
where
we
should
be
today,
which
would
be
public
works
and
then
Public
Utilities.
We
had
scheduled
two
hours
for
public
works,
public
utilities,
so
we'll
just
see
what
time
does
that?
Does
the
committee
want
to
go
to
five
o'clock
today
or
what
is
the
on
go
to
midnight
as
the
mayor
suggests,
or
five
o'clock?
A
Okay,
so,
given
my
remarks
regarding
the
agenda,
do
we
have
approval
for
the
agenda
motion
to
approve
the
agenda?
Okay,
any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye.
Those
opposed
motion
carries
okay,
so
community
services
services,
I'm
gonna,
remind
us
I'm
gonna
turn
to
page
five
of
the
budget
book
summary
by
category.
When
we
look
at
community
services,
we're
only
seen
a
1.5
percent
increase
overall
in
the
budget
overall
salaries,
wages
and
benefits.
That's
up
a
little
bit:
5.5
percent
contractuals
and
utilities,
though
there's
a
reduction
of
5.6
percent.
A
So
do
we
want
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit?
What
is
the
what
again,
we've
probably
covered
some
of
this
last
time,
but
the
reduction
in
contractuals
and
utilities?
Can
you
give
us
a
brief
explanation
as
to
what
that
reduction
is
and
there's
that,
indeed
something
that
you're
recommending
and
you're?
Okay
with
thank.
B
A
B
Counselor
chairman
counselors
we're
looking
to
really
bolster
some
of
our
after-school
and
summer
programs,
especially
the
the
activities
of
the
arts
activities
that
were
able
to
do
with
the
children.
Some
of
that
is
attributable
to
that
and
I
think
just
probably
a
more
real
overall
appraisal
per
division
of
what
they've
been
using
a
meeting.
A
B
A
So
those
are
the
those
are
the
the
that's
the
budget
as
far
as
the
actual
numbers,
the
expenses
that
are
being
proposed.
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
committee's
regarding
those
those
funds
and
those
numbers
we
went
over
and
then
I'll
allow
discussion
for
general
topics
afterwards,
but
I
really
wanted
one
thing
that
that
I
I
observed
and
I
contemplated
over
the
weekend
from
last
week's
budget
hearings
was
a
exchange
between
councillor
Harris
and
our
finance
director,
mr.
A
McCoy
and
then
Romero
worked
chimed
in
a
little
bit
and
it
was
about
a
missing
amount
from
Parks
and
Rec
and
I
thought.
The
exchange
was
I
thought
it
was
actually
pretty
good
because
councillor
Harris.
That
was
a
something
big
that
was
missing
and
miss
McCoy.
But
you
were
right
also
in
the
response
that
was
well.
A
If
we
miss
those
things
and
there's
an
you
know,
we
really
can't
do
much
or
we
we
can
follow
up
with
the
policy
discussion
or
the
issues
related
to
policy
and
the
way
departments
are
run.
But
I
don't
want
to
miss
those
numbers.
So
I
plan
on
focusing
on
those
numbers
first
asking
if
there's
specific
questions
from
the
committee
on
those
numbers
and
then
if
we
could
come
to
a
general
agreement
on
that,
then,
if
time
permits
we
could
get
into
the
other
discussion.
A
C
C
B
Chairman
councillor,
Harris
I
think
that
the
there
there
may
be
a
new
spin
in
the
framing
of
it.
This
has
mentorship,
but
I
think
it
relates
to
long-standing
priorities
of
the
department
in
terms
of
connecting
youth
to
job
opportunities
and
educational
opportunities,
and
that
mentorship
is
a
good
sort
of
way
to
describe
some
of
those
efforts.
It
is
a
new
program
and,
frankly,
I
have
learned
about
more
about
it,
but
I
think
that
it's
it's
something
that
the
community
has
been
doing
in
one
form
or
another
for
a
long
time.
B
It's
part
of
what
I'm
seeking
to
do
is
standardize
and
bring
into
the
fold.
If
you
will
some
of
these
initiatives
that
are
really
wonderful
that
are
just
springing
up
all
over
our
community,
but
the
city
and
the
Community
Services
Department
may
need
to
act
a
little
more
strongly
as
a
hub
for
some
of
the
work
for
it
to
be
effective.
C
Yeah
I
think
I
mean
I,
think
of
literacy.
Volunteers
I
mean
there's
any
number
of
groups
that
have
been
around
for
a
long
time.
They
do
a
tremendous
amount.
It
all
falls
under
the
heading
of
volunteerism
and
I.
Guess
I
think
unless
there's
a
real
definition
and
a
real
justification-
and
it
seems
like
we're
doing
versions
of
this,
perhaps
elsewhere,
but
until
it's
clear
what
we're
doing
and
and
what
this
may
mean
in
terms
of
added
value,
I,
would
question
whether
we
need
to
start
a
new
program
right
now.
D
C
That's
my
opinion
on
that
I
also
something
else.
We
talked
about
not
around
your
department,
but
this
was
around
Parks
and
Recreation
and
it
had
to
do
with
an
after-school
program
and
particularly
chairman
of
bata,
wondered
about.
You
know
an
after
a
series
of
questionings.
It
was
determined
there
was
35
people,
50
bucks
a
month
or
50
bucks
a
week
per
child,
those
types
of
things,
but
you
know
we
didn't
we
weren't.
Really.
B
B
This
this
year
with
having
our
kids
use,
the
GCC,
which
has
not
always
been
the
case
in
the
past,
there's
been
sort
of
a
strange,
artificial
division
between
the
two
programs.
So
our
plan
is
actually
to
sit
down
with
the
two
programs
and
and
create
one
program
as
far
as
the
community
knows.
There's
no
reason
to
click
one
button
for
this
or
that
you
know
the
programs
both
include
not
only
recreational
activities
but
field
trips
and
tutoring
and
and
after-school
homework
support,
and
it
should
be
one
program.
B
So
we
are
in
agreement
about
that
in
terms
of
what
that
means
for
the
numbers
and
how
we
allocate
across
I'll
just
say
that
we're
committed
to
collaboration
and
primarily
to
making
it
work
for
the
families
in
Santa
Fe.
You
know
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
where
people
live
or
work
where
they
want
to
take
their
children.
B
Not
every
person
who
brings
their
children
to
our
programs
and
community
services
can
afford
the
GCC,
but
if
we
collaborate
and
integrate,
you
might
be
able
to
set
up
a
sliding
scale
system
that
is
beneficial
to
both
programs
and
be
able
to
benefit
from
the
fact
that
we
have
a
little
more
staff.
We
have
more
transportation
capability,
they
have
a
pool,
an
ice-skating
rink,
a
golf
course,
and
you
know,
but
it's
not
really
us
in
them.
I.
A
A
Yeah
I'm
just
gonna
thank
Paris
for
bringing
it
up.
I
think
what
you
just
said
is
good
enough
for
me:
I
think
that
we
need
to
bring
the
two
programs
together.
I
don't
think
right
now
is
the
place
to
do
it,
but
but
I
think
we
should
work
on
that
over
the
next
year
and
then
next
budget
cycle
have
one
after-school
program.
B
It's
a
goal
for
sure,
and
the
other
thing
I
forgot
to
mention
is
that
we
will
be
doing
and
it
probably
have
to
be
early
next
fiscal
year
as
a
plan
around
after
school
and
summer
programs,
we've
started
to
gather
information
from
the
schools
on
the
array
of
programs
in
the
community,
and
what
should
the
city's
program
be
in
comparison
with
everything
else,
though?
Well
certainly
doctor,
that's
a
big
gums
I
already
for
the
coming
year,
I.
E
Just
wanted
to
bring
up
a
topic-
that's
not
mentioned
here,
but
we
heard
last
night
at
Finance.
The
Food
Policy
Council
was
here
wanting
money
for
their
operations.
Apparently
it
doesn't
fit
in
really
with
the
new
direction.
That's
being
outlined,
I'm
just
I,
guess
I
sort
of
wanted
to
hear
from
you
what
your
thoughts
are
on,
that
it
was
sort
of
in
I've,
been
struggling
with
this
since
last
night
about
why
they
came
to
finance.
E
Maybe
you
can
help
and
I'm,
not
sure
we
got
all
the
information
I
heard
subsequent
to
that
presentation.
They
referenced
some
sort
of
resolution
that
required
the
city
and
the
county
to
share
the
program
costs
and
then
I
heard
later
that
the
resolution
had
expired,
and
so
maybe
you
can
help
give
us
some
context
about
that
presentation
and
what's.
B
Going
on
chairman
counselors
counselors
Romero
Worth,
thank
you
for
the
question.
So
I'll
say
I'll
start
by
saying
the
work
of
the
Food
Policy
Council
is
very
important
and
I
think
that
they
do
very
good
work.
They
are
looking
at
both
food
security,
which
is
a
huge
concern
for
us
and
community
services
as
well.
As
you
know,
agricultural
Food,
Policy,
countywide
and
they've
done
some
tremendous
work
and
we
did
a
little
research
and
Julie
can
answer
any
more
detailed
questions,
but
you're
correct
in
that
there
was
a
resolution
that
has
expired.
B
B
Since
I
took
the
position
in
October
to
ensure
that
we
could
find
a
way
to
support
their
work,
it's
not
appropriate
nor
it's
never
been
appropriate,
really
for
their
work
to
be
paid
out
of
the
Human
Services
Committee,
which
is
primarily,
as
you
know,
for
safety
net
services
direct
services.
So
that
was
never
a
good
fit
and
because
our
department
doesn't
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
flexible
funding
for
community
organizations,
we
started
to
think
about
other
ways
of
doing
it.
B
I
approached
also
in
the
spirit
of
collaboration
director
Brown
of
that
Economic
Development
Department,
because
his
work
intersects
with
some
of
their
work
and
we
discussed
possibly
pursuing
a
sole
source
contract
to
support
coordination
and
the
Food
Policy
Council,
our
we
were
very
committed.
Do
you
know
Rinaldi
senior
services,
division,
director,
who's
able
to
be
with
us
here
today,
sifts
on
that
council
and
regularly
contributes
so
I?
Think
it's
just
a
matter
of
logistics
in
terms
of
figuring
out,
you
know
the
best
way
to
support
some
of
their
work.
B
E
A
E
A
F
You,
mr.
chair
and
just
to
answer
a
question
about
how
they
ended
up
presenting
at
various
come
committees
is
because
they
had
asked
if
they
could
present
the
update
to
the
food
assessment
and
just
to
give
you
a
background
of
their
organization
and
the
work
they've
done,
especially
with
new
counselors.
So
it
wasn't
really.
It
ended
up
coming
at
the
same
time
as
budget
hearings
which
wasn't
what
we
were
intending.
E
F
The
one
question
I
was
I
had
the
last
time
and
see
if
I
can
rain
this,
so
we
we
were
talking
last
week
about
the
possible
the
moving
forward
with
the
Southside
Center
Team
Center,
and
what
comes
with
that-
and
that
means
our
staff
will
be
part
of
that
project
and
it'll
require
staff
to
staff
it
and
maintain,
etc.
So
what
I
think
that's
a
great
we're
having
we're
going
in
that
direction?
F
What
concerns
me
is
that
we
have
Monica
Roybal
center
and
also
the
Carlos
Ortega
Ortega
team
10
that
are
having
maintenance
issues
and
falling
apart.
So
I
guess.
My
question
is
how
what
is
the
plan,
if
there's
a
capital
improvements
plan
for
our
existing
facilities,
or
we
thinking
long-term
about
how
we
could
utilize
those
facilities
in
a
different
way
and
I
was
curious
if
you
all
had
now
that
we're
moving
forward
and
they're
the
majority
of
the
students
and
youth
that
we
work
with?
Are
they
live
in
the
in
the
south
side
of
town?
F
What
what
do
you
think
would
be
the
optimal
use
of
these
two
centers,
considering
the
need
for
major
upgrades,
and
maybe
you
could
speak
to
some
of
those
upgrades
that
are
needed
as
well,
so
just
a
kind
of
array
like
existing
conditions,
and
what
do
you
see
into
the
future
with
those
facilities
and
as
they
relate
to
youth
programming?
Chairman.
G
So,
as
of
today,
the
plumbing
situation
did
get
taken
care
of
at
the
moniker
eyeball.
The
Carlos
Ortega
teen
center
has
no
repairs.
Last
year
we
were
able
to
upgrade
the
fire
suppression
system
along
with
a
kitchen
renovation.
So
the
only
main
issue
we
had
or
have,
and
we've
been
working
with,
Public
Works
and
capital
outlay
is
to
get
the
laptop
or
the
basketball
cards
resurfaced
and
we
did
submit
documentation
so
that
we
can
get
that
on
the
next
list.
B
That's
out,
though,
I
think
your
question
is
important
because
it
goes
to
what
I
mentioned
about
doing
a
plan
for
the
needs
around
after
school
and
summer
programs
in
the
city
as
a
whole.
That
should
include
a
mapping
of
you
know
where
people
need
to
have
their
children
most
conveniently
to
where
they
live
and
or
work
or
where
children
go
to
school.
F
H
Mr.
chairman
counselor
via
RIA,
and
that
fact
the
other
members
of
the
council,
the
Foster
Grandparent
program,
is
a
program
that
originated
with
the
federal
government
with
the
senior
Corp.
It's
the
volatile,
senior
Corporation
for
volunteer
services
and
they've
developed
the
Foster
Grandparent
program,
seen
in
companions
and
the
retired
senior
volunteer
programs,
or
so
we
like
to
refer
to
it.
H
The
criteria
is
pretty
strict
with
regards
to
the
income
and
what
we're
finding
is
that
at
times,
it's
difficult
to
find
individuals
who
are
certified
or
qualified
income-based.
Also
working
in
the
school
system
is
not
what
it
used
to
be
it's
a
little
more
difficult,
so
the
combination
of
both
makes
it
sometimes
a
little
difficult
to
find
enough
folks.
At
the
time,
but
it's
an
ongoing
thing,
the
other
part
to
it
is
in
order
to
receive
the
federal
and
state
money.
You
have
to
be
sanctioned
by
the
federal
government
to
be.
H
I
guess
the
provider
for
the
county
and
we
are
for
the
county
so
so
that
that's
the
the
program
itself
it
the
move.
We
did
was
sort
of
an
internal
shifting
upon
deed.
We
may
wind
up
looking
at
making
that
a
more
permanent
one
was
remove
the
money
from
the
Foster
Grandparent
into
the
retired
senior
volunteer
program
which
we
have
been
holding
back
on
giving
stipends
to
seniors,
because
we
just
didn't
have
revenues
in
that
program.
So
it
allows
that
flexibility
moving.
C
Well,
just
on
the
point
earlier
on,
the
I
think
another
option
is
you
get
to
look
at.
The
assets
is
Carlos
Ortega,
I'm,
just
gonna
use
that
as
an
example,
since
we
haven't
put
any
money
and
I'm
assuming
that
the
list
is
a
long
one
in
terms
of
what
needs
to
happen,
I
think
always
one
option
is
we
evaluate
is
to
dispose
of
the
asset.
I
think
we
need
to
consider
at
some
point
potentially
selling
I
just
want
to
make
that
point.
F
Not
at
this
time,
I
guess
to
close
off
the
Foster
Grandparent
program.
If
there's
a
way,
I
just
think
it
has
a
lot
greater
potential,
maybe
because
I
feel
like
the
need
for,
inter
intergenerational
integration
and
mentoring,
is
so
crucial
for
our
community
and
so
ways
to
to
boost
that.
I
think
is
important
and
to
utilize
our
community
resources,
whether
it's
nonprofit
groups
or
trying
to
really
get
the
school
district
more
engaged
in
it.
Maybe
there's
a
way
to
increase
their
potential
for
for
really
creating
a
robust
program
than
it
is
now
chairman.
B
Councilor
Spencer
video-
maybe
we
can
look
at
those
seed
money
from
the
mentoring
program
and
see
about
building
programs
that
work
for
us
in
our
community.
First,
of
course
we
have
federal
dollars.
Then
we
have
to
adhere
to
those
structures,
but
when
we
have
a
little
more
flexible
funding,
we
can
sometimes
tailor
our
programs
appropriately
at
whether
it's
the
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
that
we've
requested
a
seed,
money
or
perhaps
foundation
money
that
we
might
pull
in
I
think
this
is
a
community
that
definitely
recognizes.
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair
so
I
from
the
discussion
we
had
last
week
about
the
workload
of
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Department
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
workload
of
this
department
and
I
know
that
you
have
maybe
23
committees
to
staff
and
you
also
are
perhaps
going
to
get
another
one.
The
women's
Commission
that
I
realized
has
a
finite
end
date,
but
not
no
staff
and
I'm
wondering
and
I.
Don't
I
didn't
see
any
discussion
and
we
don't
have
any
data
about
any
FGM
is
being
requested.
Do
you
have?
B
Chairman
countervail
poplar.
We
did
not
request
new
staff
except
for
the
navigator
that
I
mentioned
last
week
that
will
be
housed
limbs
in
the
Senior
Services
Division
I
I
have
to
correct
myself,
I
misspoke
when
I
said
that
we
have
23
minis
in
the
department,
I
think
maybe
I
felt
like
we
had
23.
We
also
we
have
13
and
we
do
participate
in
a
number
up
to
10
in
the
community.
But
in
terms
of
staffing
capacity
we
staffed
2013
boards
commissions
and
task
forces
and
the
task
forces
are
are
a
timeout.
B
It
is
a
challenge
for
us,
but
I
do
think
before
I
requested
new
FTEs
I
wanted
to
see
if
the
restructure
that
I'm
working
on
in
terms
of
the
council's
and
the
committees
will
will
help
make
them
more
impactful
and
more
efficient
in
terms
of
staff.
Time
I
think
I
think
we'll
be
okay.
We
we
tend
to.
B
B
We
have
we
have
one
position
that
we
haven't
hired
yet
Senior
Planner
position
that
will
certainly
help
staff
and
I
think
we're
we're
also
restructuring
in
the
after-school
and
summer
programs
so
that
our
Youth
and
Family
Services
Division
directors
over
that
that's
his
primary
focus,
so
Edith
Martinez
will
actually
Ivan
gonna,
be
inviting
her
to
staff
the
Women's
Commission,
assuming
the
women
Commission
runs
forward.
She
has
a
extensive
knowledge
of
you
know.
B
D
He
the
other,
quit
well
with
regard
to
committees.
I
I
think
it's
important
to
well
in
the
future
when
new
committees
are
created
that
we
do
in
the
fi
our
place
on
their
staff
time.
We've
done
that
in
a
recent
resolution
for
the
veterans,
banners
which
I
was
like
astounded,
but
it
wouldn't
be
a
bad
idea
with
new
committees
to
really
see
what
staff
time
it's
going
to
entail
and
what
those
unrealized
cash
commitments
are.
D
The
other
comment
about
committees
in
your
do
your
department
is
that
it's
all
it's
all
good,
to
take
on
all
this
workload
and
and
be
the
champion
for
no
new
staff
and
get
kudos,
but
the
employees
realized
that
they're
being
overworked,
and
sooner
or
later,
they're
gonna
go
somewhere
else,
where
it's
not
so
so
demanding
without
any
real
time
off
and
so
I
just
passion
about
that.
The
other
question
I
have
is
last
year
at
this.
At
these
committee
meetings
there
was
a
great
public
outcry
for
opening
the
large
library
on
Sunday.
I
J
K
C
And
that'd
be
good.
I
don't
want
to
take
any
more
time
right
now,
but
I
would
like
to
see
answers
all
the
questions
and
they
get
distributed
to
everybody.
So
Gerry
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion:
I
approve
the
the
Community
Services
Department
budget,
less
the
$25,000
for
the
mentorship
program.
There's.
C
I
would
simply
say:
I
mean
this.
It
gets
pointed
up
different
ways,
including
councillor
via
Rails
question
about
the
foster
grandparents,
which
is
kind
of
essentially
a
mentoring
program
and
the
struggles
to
find
qualified
participants.
I
just
think
we
need
before
we
start
a
new
program.
We
need
to
see.
What's
what
we're
doing
now?
What's
working,
then
I
heard
a
characterizes
seed,
money,
seed
money
for
what
so
I.
Just
don't
think
again.
This
just
gets
into
my
continued
questioning
of
new
programs.
Are
they
well-defined?
Do
we
know
what
they're
about
do
the
is?
C
A
Ready
for
this
one
I'm
not
can
is
that
something
that
perhaps
you
can
start
developing
the
plan.
Work
on
the
plan
bring
us
the
plan
that
either
a
quarter
report
or
even
mid-year
and
say:
okay,
we
have
a
plan.
Maybe
we'll
have
$25,000
identified
at
that
point
and
it's
something
we
could
implement
at
mid-year.
Perhaps.
J
A
A
A
And
we
we
postpone
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Department
budget,
because
councillor
Harris
had
actually
identified
budget
line
item
on
page
25
of
our
spreadsheets
that
showed
two
hundred
and
seventeen
thousand
dollars
that
weren't
included
in
the
proposed
budget.
So
what
we
did
is
we
postponed.
We
had
a
subcommittee
hearing
this
morning
and
mr.
Munoz
as
the
chair
of
Finance
I
need
to
personally
apologize
to
you.
You
should
have
been
included
in
that
meeting
this
morning.
A
That
was
my
bad
as
the
chair
mayor,
I,
apologize
to
you
also
I,
wouldn't
have
appreciated
not
being
invited
to
a
discussion
like
that
about
a
department.
I
was
in
charge
of
so
I
apologize,
but
on
the
plus
we
may
have
identified
not
just
two
hundred
and
seventeen
thousand
dollars
for
you,
but
councillor
Harris
had
talked
about
three
hundred
and
twenty
I
think
mr.
macclay
identified
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
and
I
believe
we're
going
to
take
that
from
the
land
use
department
budget.
There
was
monies
available
for
the
code
rewrite.
A
E
A
Land
use
Department
proposed
I
believe
close
to
$600,000
in
their
budget.
To
do
the
chapter
14
rewrite
now
in
just
in
discussions
with
the
land
use
director
said,
can
you
spend
that
six
hundred
thousand
all
in
one
year
to
and
will
you
get
the
code
rewrite
done
in
one
year
said?
Well,
no,
actually,
we
can't
it'll
probably
take
three
years
and
I
don't
need
all
six
hundred
thousand
okay.
A
A
J
J
J
Like
I
said:
I
know
this
I'm
sitting
on
the
MRC
request
for
between
the
Sports
Complex
and
the
softball
fields
about
$75,000
for
some
maintenance
things
that
I
really
think
that
they
operate
on
a
pretty
tight
budget
and
I
just
take
for
us
to
take
any
risk
with
those
assets.
So
I
don't
know
Mr
Mcoy.
If
you
were
able
to
identify
anywhere
that
we
might
come
up
with
an
additional
75,000
to
address
those,
you
know
with
the
irrigation
thing.
I
just
hold
the
quick
story.
J
That
years
ago,
when
I
sat
on
that
committee,
they
called
everybody
on
the
committee
and
asked
if
we
could
come
out
and
stand
with
a
hose
and
water
greens,
because
that's
how
fast
they
were
drying
out
and
potentially
losing
them
and
I
think
to
lose
one
green
out.
There
I
don't
know
what
it
costs,
but
I
know
it
would
cost
tens
of
thousands,
if
not
hundreds
of
thousands
to
replace
it.
So
I,
don't
think
it's
a
good
place
for
us
to
get
risky.
J
A
N
Mr.
chair,
the
city
councillors,
councilman
del
Sol,
in
regards
to
meetin,
see
how
that
that
is
an
important
function
at
the
MRC.
So
we
know
the
irrigation
system
is,
is
aged
and
there
are
some
issues
with
the
regular
heads.
So
what
we're
doing
to
work
through
that?
Currently,
as
an
example,
we
we
are,
we
do
have
or
have
had
an
irrigation
and
audit
and
we're
trying
to
optimize
those
like,
for
example,
recent
work.
We've
done
on
the
greens.
N
We
have
improved
our
watering
by
14
percent
and
so
we'll
work
through
that,
but
there
are
other
issues
also
with
with
the
rest
of
the
fields.
So
as
an
example,
so
the
baseball
kills
and
Sacre
tools
that
we're
working
on
with
councillor
Dale
mentioned
is
the
need
for
top
dressing
and
also
turf
war,
which
would
be
aeration
would
be
fertilization
there.
The
items
like
that
to
keep
those
hills
in
good
shape.
A
I
N
A
M
Chairman,
what
I
would
propose
to
the
Finance
Committee
is
to
decrease
the
land
use
budget
by
not
just
the
three
hundred
and
twenty-five
thousand
that
was
identified
for
the
parks
division
increased,
but
additional
to
that
an
additional
75
thousand
from
the
same
funding
source.
It
is
general
fund
funding
source
as
well,
so
to
be
decreasing.
The
land
use
budget
by
four
hundred
thousand.
Not
there
originally
identified
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
to
address
both
the
parks,
division
issue
and
the
MRC
issue
that
councillor
Lyndell
raised
with.
A
E
A
A
J
M
J
J
I
mean
I'll,
take
the
other
50,
but
I
didn't
want
to
you
know:
okay
playing
cards
here.
One
other
thing
I
did
want
to
bring
up
was
the
wastewater
situation,
and
we
talked
about
that
some
this
morning.
I
think
that
the
MRC
was
looking
for,
like
400
thousand
dollars
worth
of
wastewater.
Is
that
right.
N
J
J
A
C
Thank
you
not
too
much,
but
you
know,
I
was
advocating
for
increased
funding
and
I'm
pleased
that
we're
gonna
be
able
to
find
that.
But
really
the
flip
side
of
that
story
is
what
I
thought
I
heard.
Is
we've
expended
all
of
this
year's
money
for
contract
services
so
that
we
don't
really
have
the
monies
available.
We
know
we
have
heavy
rains
even
today,
weeds
are
coming
up
and
so
we're
short
this
year.
So
quite
frankly,
that's
a
managerial
issue
that
concerns
me
mr.
muñoz,
why
that
wasn't
identified
brought
back
through
whatever
the
appropriate
channels.
C
Our
city
manager
finance
department,
then
onto
us
to
find
some
money
to
address
that,
but
you
still
have
a
problem
by
the
way
I
mean
you
still
have
the
you
know,
you
still
have
the
problem
in
the
current
year.
So
it's
a
note
of
caution
in
terms
of
and
I
know,
you're
working
on
a
reorganization
and
other
things,
but
that
shouldn't
stand
in
the
way
of
certain
basic
steps
that
you
have
to
make
as
department
director.
Okay,.
O
C
To
say
that
and
also
didn't
know
what
the
plan
was,
that
there
was
money
in
this
budget
for
lost
Solaris
our
new
regional
park
that
we
never
talked
about
and
I
know
that
we
haven't
fully
accepted
it
yet,
but
you
know,
I
mean
build-out
is
25
acres
with
a
lot
of
facilities,
we're
not
there
yet
we're
pretty
phase
one's
in
essentially
they're
not
accepted
yet.
But
do
you
have
money
to
address
lot
solaris
in
the
coming
year.
N
N
C
Right
and
there's
just
one
more
thing
when
this
is,
we
had
a
lot
a
lengthy
discussion,
it's
going
to
continue
for
the
rest
of
this
year
and
on
to
next
year
and
that's
safety.
You
remember
what
we
talked
about
the
other
day
and
the
exposure
that
I
believe
parks
and
recreation.
I
have
just
the
nature
of
your
work
and
the
activities
that
you're
involved
in
so
I
would
not
give
you
a
mandate
for
developing
a
safety
program.
You
said
you
were
consolidating,
but
I
hope
that
we
could
have
the
first
pass
anyway.
N
A
A
P
Year,
mr.
chairman,
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you.
The
tourism
department
has
two
divisions
visit
Santa
Fe,
which
is
the
sales
and
marketing
component,
and
the
community
Convention
Center
increases
significant
increases
in
visit.
Santa
Fe
are
in
the
advertising
line
is
the
primary
place
where
there's
a
$300,000
increase
this
you're,
the
combined
advertising,
and
it's
actually
split
between
the
two
divisions,
with
lion's
share
of
it
being
in
visit,
Santa
Fe,
but
there's
a
portion.
P
P
From
the
start,
there
was
no
method
for
exchanging
the
water
on
the
frequency
that
is
required
for
a
water
cooled
type
unit
and
as
a
result,
we
we've
not
been
able
to
change
out
the
water
and
it
gets
to
be
heavy
and
it
very
has
heavier
chemicals
in
it
and
has
caused
the
units
to
actually
wear
out
earlier
than
they
should
have.
So
without
the
drain
proposed
and
actually
for
quite
a
few
years,
they
were
flushing
them
on
a
daily
basis.
Almost
that's
required
and
we
got
fined
for
putting
this
water
into
the
surface
water.
P
So
we
can't
just
run
it
off
the
roof
like
was
being
done
for
several
years.
So
that's
four
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
convert
those
units
there's
another
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
will
be
used
to
construct
additional
storage
behind
the
convention
center
going
out
towards
federal
place
where
the
dog
is
located.
There
will
be
about
a
ten
foot
buffer
left
that
where
we
can
put
some
sculpture
originally
that
tree,
that
area
was
planted
with
trees,
they've
all
left
us
and
there's
just
one
or
two
left.
It
was
a.
P
It
was
kind
of
a
bad
scheme
because
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
soil
there,
it's
on
top
of
the
garage
and
the
wrong
things
were
put
in
there.
So
this
space
will
allow
us
to
add
some
very
needed
storage
that
we
have.
Over
the
last
five
years,
we've
been
able
to
significantly
increase
the
amount
of
equipment.
We
keep
on
site
that
we
can
rent
to
that.
P
That's
frequently
used
that
we
can
make
available
to
our
customers
and
we
we
need
this
space
for
storage
and
then
there's
an
additional
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
a
capital
program
that
would
be
to
rework
the
second
floor.
Terrace
of
the
Convention
Center.
It's
currently
only
accessed
through
the
elevator
coming
up
with
the
community
building.
The
idea
is
to
extend
the
the
coverage
of
that
Terrace
right
now.
P
It's
about
the
part
that
is
covered
is
just
2/3
covered,
we're
going
to
carry
that
coverage
out
to
the
perimeter
of
the
terrace,
we'll
remove
some
of
the
planters
that
are
on
the
terrace
that
go
over
toward
the
bell
tower
elevator.
That
makes
the
terrorists
fairly
unusable
in
that
area
and
we'll
put
in
a
stairwell
that
would
allow
people
to
move
between
the
courtyard
and
the
outdoor
terrace,
which
will
make
it
far
more
usable.
The
ad
a
concern
would
still
be
covered
by
the
elevator
access
through
the
community
community
building.
P
So
it's
a
it's
a
relatively
easy
way
to
make
that
significant
asset,
a
lot
more
usable
for
us,
for
our
customers
be
able
to
do
a
reception
up
on
the
terrace
move
down
a
perhaps
a
dinner
in
the
courtyard
or
down
to
and
come
back
into
the
Convention
Center
for
those
purposes.
So
those
are
the
primary
the
the
major
components
of
the
budget
that
would
account
for
the
additional
defunding,
a
million
to
the
for
the
capital
components
are
coming
out
of
the
reserve
fund
or
the
convention
center
that
were
dollars
that
were
left.
P
There
were
actually
dollars
that
were
built
up
during
the
delay
of
the
construction
of
the
Convention
Center.
When
the
extra
two
points
that
Santa
Fe
has
authorized
were
being
collected,
but
weren't
spent
they're
not
actually
bond
dollars,
they're
they're,
lodgers
tax
dollars
that
are
designed
for
either
debt
service
or
capital
improvements
to
the
convention
center.
So
there's
three
million
dollars
in
that
fund.
This
will
take
a
million
1.2
million
out
of
that
fund.
Thank.
C
C
C
And
so
and
I
guess,
I
think
that
you
should
find
ways
to
use
the
rest
of
those
reserve
funds
or
whatever
upgrades,
whether
it's
the
LED
lighting
or
whatever
it
may
be.
Let's
go:
let's
get
that
money
in
service,
it's
been
a
long
time,
let's
get
it
done
professionally,
rather
than
through
staff.
I
think
you
know
what
I'm
saying.
P
C
P
The
first
question
was
sources
of
funding
beyond
lodgers
tax
for
tourism,
Santa
Fe
and
the
community
Convention
Center
we
get
funding
from
use
fees
as
the
building
is
the
spaces
are
rented
a
hotel
rebates.
We
get
6%
when
hotels
are
involved,
with
a
meeting
that's
being
held
at
the
Convention
Center
6%
of
the
room.
Charges
that
are
incurred
come
back
to
the
convention
center,
which
allows
us
to
be
able
to
negotiate
the
prices
for
the
use
of
the
space
with
meeting
planners
when
they
come
in
ten
percent
rebate
fees
on
food
and
beverage
equipment,
rental.
P
The
community
kitchen
brings
in
a
very
small
amount
of
money,
but
we
do
get
a
little
bit
on
the
visit.
Santa
fé
side
advertising
sales
on
the
website
account
for
between
sixty
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
a
year.
We
get
the
application
fee
for
film
permits
still,
which
amounts
to
less
than
two
thousand
dollars
a
year.
P
Hotel
participation
in
trade
shows,
as
our
sales
team
goes
out
to
trade,
shows
many
times
will
bring
in
industry
partners.
We
pay
the
entire
registration
fees
for
those
shows,
and
then
the
hotels
that
participate
with
us
give
us
back
their
share
of
the
the
cost
of
those
visits,
because
we
have
to
prepay
them.
Therefore,
when
they
give
us
back
their
shares,
it
goes
in
as
a
revenue
item
and
the
margarita
trail.
Passports
are
the
primary
other
income
sources
that
we
have,
that
account
for
between
the
two
divisions,
close
to
a
million
dollars.
C
P
C
R
It's
going
to
do
this
for
the
next
four
years.
There's
like
this
huge
accelerated
payment
in
principal,
and
then
it
drops
back
down
to
about
four
hundred
thousand
I,
don't
know
the
background
on
the
refunding
or
why
it
was
refunded
with
this
principal
payment
schedule,
but
it
is
a
way
that
much
like
what
we
did
in
the
digester
bond.
We
don't
pay
principal
until
2023,
because
we
have
the
two
thousand
twelve
wastewater
bond
and
we
didn't
want
to
overburden
their
revenues.
R
R
C
C
P
Chairman
counselor,
the
next
question
was
the
maintenance
staff,
how
many
FTEs
and
their
responsibilities.
There
are
two
members
of
the
maintenance
staff.
Two
FTEs
responsibilities
are
just
general
maintenance
and
minor
repair.
We're
we're.
Obviously,
at
this
point
redefining
the
level
of
any
work,
that's
done
by
the
internal
team
and
we'll
be
working
very
closely
with
a
new
safety
committee
that
the
city
managers
set
up
to
properly
define
exactly
what
they
will
be
doing
going
forward.
C
P
Chairman
counselor,
that
is,
that
is
correct,
I
mean
if,
if
when
we
repainted
the
ballroom,
for
example,
the
convention
specialist
came,
became
a
part
of
that
team
for
that
major
effort.
But
for
the
ongoing
effort
of
of
the
upkeep,
we
do
it
with
the
two
FTEs.
That's
correct
and
the
last
question
was
detail
on
the
total
cost
and
need
for
for
new
position.
P
I
believe
there
are
actually
five
new
positions.
Two
of
them
are
in
a
there
going
to
be
an
office
of
content
creation.
If
you
will,
we
currently
outsource
our
newsletters,
we
currently
totally
out,
and
we
end
up
with
a
product
that
allows
us
to
check
the
box,
but
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
are
very
proud
of
of
how
well
the
newsletters
are
affecting
our
ability
to
properly
market
the
city.
P
The
content
creation
office
will
support
our
our
visitor
guide
and
currently
it's
a
third-party
contract,
and
it
will
support
other
needs
that
both
we
have
within
the
department
creating
the
content
for
the
and
the
parents
for
the
margarita
trail
and
some
of
the
other
programs
that
we
Institute
right
now
will
go
to
third
party
for
it,
and
we
will
also
support
other
City
needs
as
they
as
other
departments.
Parks
and
Rec.
Other
departments
have
needs
for
creative
content.
This
office
will
be
able
to
help
from
both
the
written
word,
as
well
as
design
standpoint.
P
There'll,
be
sufficient
savings
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
creation
of
this
office
savings
from
third-party
contracts
that
currently
exist,
then
the
other
positions
there's
one
that
is
a
taking
a
seasonal
visitor
center
position
and
making
it
a
year-round
position.
I
like
to
joke
that
our
offseason
has
gone.
Our
former
offseason
is
now
our
shoulder
season
and
because
we
run
about
60%
average
through
the
winter
and
our
end
season
has
increased
from
April
and
May
used
to
be
shoulder
season.
And
now
our
hotels
are
running
busy.
P
Our
city
is
is
busier,
and
so
the
idea
would
be
to.
There
is
currently
three
seasonal
positions
in
the
visitor
centers.
One
of
those
would
become
full-time
and
then
the
other
two
seasonal
positions
will
be
converted
to
year-round
part-time,
making
them
available
in
the
winter
time,
when,
when,
frankly,
most
of
our
visitors
center
staff
use
their
vacation
time
and
other
time
off
and
and
we
get
very
tore
if
we
have
a
sickness
during
the
winter
we
get
pretty
tight
and
then
the
other
two
positions
are
related
to
the
former
litter
Patrol.
P
We,
the
the
proposal,
is
to
convert
the
seasonal
position
to
a
full-time
and
add
one
more
full-time
to
the
litter
Patrol
and
have
that
function
be
expanded
to
what
we're
calling
a
Park
Ranger
patrol.
If
you
will
for
the
visitor
areas
of
the
city,
it
will
be
funded
through
tourism,
but
managed
by
the
parks
department,
and
these
people
will,
in
addition
to
be
able
to
be,
in
addition
to
picking
up
litter,
they
will
serve
as
ambassadors
for
visitors
to
get
information
from
and
they
will
deal
with.
Some
of
the
less
difficult
issues
with
the
homeless.
E
So,
as
you
were
talking
about
the
new
term
positions,
the
the
new
bathrooms
I
saw
some
plans
for
there's
going
to
be
an
information
booth.
There
are
we
moving
the
information
booth
from
the
plaza?
Are
we
adding
a
new
one?
How
does
it
how's
that
gonna
work
and
who's
good
where's?
That
staffing
coming
from.
P
P
There's
no
money
in
the
budget
currently
to
cover
that
extra
person
that
would
be
required
there,
and
the
thought
is
that
we
will
see
where
we
are
on
our
payroll
budget
by
the
time
the
those
facilities
get
done
to
see
if
we
could
handle
it
within
our
current
capacity
or
if
we
needed
to
come
back.
We'd
come
back
to
the
Finance
Committee
and
council.
If
we
needed
to
have
an
extra
person
for
that
staffing.
E
P
Mr.
chairmen
counts,
no
I
do
one
possibly
two
trips,
but
generally
about
one
per
year.
It's
done
buyers,
primarily
our
sales
team
and
our
public
relations
manager.
Public
relations
manager
will
do
four
trips
to
four
or
five
per
year
for
death
side
visits
with
the
press.
Instead
of
bringing
the
press
to
Santa
Fe,
she
goes
out
to
New.
York
is
staple,
usually
LA,
Denver,
Dallas
Phoenix
to
actually
visit
with
the
press
in
those
areas,
get
their
interest
and
then
get
the
press
to
come
to
Santa
Fe.
If
they
haven't
done
so
already.
P
E
P
Chairman
counter,
that
is
correct.
It's
to
bring
in
meeting
business.
There
are
actually
three
of
those
shows.
I
mentioned
total
of
26.
There
are
three
of
them
that
are
consumer,
shows
they're,
put
on
by
a
very
professional
organization,
they're
called
travel
and
adventure
shows
there
and
I
think
eight
cities.
We
do.
D
P
Chairman
councilor
I
think
that
was
it
was
left
over
from
a
few
years
ago,
and
the
actual
fund
balance
was
removed.
I
think
it
was
two
years
ago,
but
because
it's
a
piece
of
the
history
of
the
department
I
think
the
name
carries
forward.
We
should
be
able
to
shed
that
this
next
year,
so
there
is
no
current.
P
That
was
a
was
a
project
that
was
funded
through
a
grant,
I
believe
prior
to
my
arrival
at
the
city
and
it's
those
brown
signs
that
you
see
from
time
to
time
that
there
are
mixed
opinions
as
to
their
effectiveness,
so
I
think
some
day.
That
would
be
great
to
have
some
some
additional
wayfinding,
but
we
this
last
year
developed
an
app
that
now
has
about
1600
downloads,
and
we
expect
that
app,
which
really
does
help
you
on
your
phone
get
from
here
to.
D
mayor,
we
we
had
a
big
meeting
with
a
group
of
bicyclists
and
and
they
brought
this
up
and
mentioned
many
cities
across
the
country
where
you
know
they're,
doing
a
better
job
and
I
think
that's
another,
an
untapped
resource
in
our
city,
where
we
could
bring
those
kinds
of
bicyclists
who
turn
into
tourists.
Maybe
come
back
in
a
car
and
vacation
here.
D
A
A
F
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
to
talk
about
that
wayfinding
signage,
because
I
distinctly
remember
that
back
in
the
time
period
that
councilor,
Lyndell
and
I
had
requested
moving
money
that
you
were
requesting
for
art
to
be
used
for
wayfinding
signage,
specifically
for
tourism
for
locals
and
part
of
it.
There
was
like
three
different
buckets:
public
works
through
parking
put
up
signage
for
where
to
find
the
parking
garage
and
I
think
that
was
good
and
then
the
rail
yard
part
put
in
money
for
what
way
finding
so
I'm
just
curious.
F
P
Chairman
councilor,
that
was
again
that
was
not
in
that
line.
Item
I
was
just
addressing
that
one
that
was
called
Wayfinder.
The
funds
were
allocated
two
years
ago
in
the
budget
and
a
small
amount
was
used
for
the
purchase
of
the
dog,
which
was
the
our
component
of
that
and
councilman
Dell
and
I
worked
on
some.
It
was
specifically
wayfinding
for
the
parking
garages.
There
was
a
concern
that
people
were
not
able
to
find
parking
garages
and
we
have
had
those
funds
available.
P
There
is
still
a
total
of
about
ninety
two
thousand
dollars
out
of
the
fund
of
a
hundred
and
twenty
that
is
in
my
current
budget.
It
has
not
been
expended,
and
our
financial
analyst
has
already
made
the
request
to
re-appropriate
those
into
next
year's
budget
again
waiting
to
see
if
there's
a
need,
a
use
in
either
wayfinding
or
public
art,
as
we
build
out
the
back
of
the
Convention
Center
for
the
storage.
P
If
that
proposal
is
approved,
there's
probably
going
to
be
a
need
for
some
public
art
there
as
well
to
compliment
the
dog
and
and
and
fill
in
that
some
gap
there.
But
there's
those
funds
have
other
than
the
purchase
of
the
dog
and
I
think
there
is
a
current
plan
to
actually
purchase
as
opposed
to
having
art
on
loan
some
art
to
go
in
the
meeting
rooms
at
the
convention
center.
F
F
A
D
You
I
just
want
to
make
some
point
about
the
way
we
refer
to
our
positions
and
I
heard
I
heard
you
say:
seasonal
I,
heard
term
and
the
like
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
part-time
and
full-time
can
be
any
kinds
of
positions.
I
think
I
hear
a
lot
part-time,
meaning
really
classified
and
and
I
think
it
just
gets
real
muddy
and
I
and
I
I
would
like
to
sort
of
point
we're
not
sort
of
but
clean
up
the
way
we
handle
our
positions,
our
FTEs
and
name
them
correctly
or
what
they
are.
D
So
you
know
there's
there's
a
list
of
definitions
there
in
the
personnel
rules,
but
seasonal
was
really
a
temporary
and
I
I
hear
you
say:
you're
changing
those
to
full-time.
Are
they
still
temporaries
or
are
you
saying
you're
gonna
change
them
to
classify,
then?
If
so,
is
that
on
that
on
the
list
we're
gonna
get
at
the
end
of
this?
Mr.
M
Chairman
counselor
vehicle
dist
to
clarify
for
the
tourism
budget
breath
why
20
we
are
requesting
for
position.
A
tourism
visitor
guide,
editor,
a
tourism
visitor
guide,
graphic
designer
and
the
Park
Rangers
the
Randy
spoke
of
earlier,
and
these
positions
we
will
get
you
the
classification
and
the
breakdown
that
you
have
requested
for
those.
So.
D
A
J
J
J
J
J
J
M
J
J
P
Right,
mister,
mr.
chairman
councilman
del
I
I
think
it
it's
definitely
tourism
as
a
part
of
it,
but
I
think
it
impacts
the
the
parks
it
could
be
either
place
and
unless
there's
a
good
reason
to
move
it,
I
wouldn't
see
the
need
to.
But
if
it
was
decided
by
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
and
the
council
to
move
it
to
tourism,
we
would
make
Barbara
feel
very
welcome
and
would
be
able
to
run
the
function
as
well.
P
J
P
J
P
Mr.
chairman,
councilor
it'll
actually
be
a
total
of
four
positions
and
I
said
yes,
I
think
again
we're
trying
not
to
operate
in
silos
and
just
because
they're
being
managed
by
parks,
I
think
they
have
more
of
a
presence
in
the
in
the
outside
of
our
spaces
and
I.
Think
it's
fine,
but
I,
think
John
and
I
would
would
collaborate
on
how
they
work
and
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
ensuring
their
success
and
not
just
a
critic.
So
we
do
it
together.
You.
P
It's
the
two
current
people
that
are
in
the
what
I'm,
calling
the
litter,
Patrol
right
and
then
two
more
and
the
one
vehicle
that
we've
acquired
for
them
to
use
would
would
move
with
that
group
as
well,
because
I
just
mentioned
to
John
this
morning
that
keeping
litter
as
a
primary
focus
is
terribly
important
to
me.
It's
important
that
we
do
these
other
things,
but
the
downtown
does
look
better
since
we've
had
two
people
picking
up
litter.
Now
it's
just
two
people,
but
we
can't
we
can't
go
backwards
in
trying
to
solve
other
issues.
P
J
K
K
K
P
Those
two
positions
are
filled
and
if
those
individuals
are
not
qualified
for
this,
these
positions,
those
positions,
would
continue
until
attrition
allowed
those
to
convert
over.
So
those
two
people
are
safe,
they'll
continue
doing
what
they're
doing
there.
They're
good,
strong
people
and
I
think
definitely
might
be
able
to
transition
into
the
role
once
the
Job
Description
is
completed,
but
obviously
it
would
have
to
be
something
they'd
want
to
do
as
well.
I.
P
J
J
J
Have
to
tell
you
that
I
think
that
it's
really
an
amazing
app
and
people
that
use
it
are
pretty
dumbfounded
by
how
awesome
it
is.
So
if
we
have
any
way
of
you
know
bringing
more
people
into
that
fold
and
trying
to
you
know
get
people
to
download
that
it's
really
kind
of
astounding
to
me
thing
works!
J
P
J
P
Chair
counselor,
that,
at
the
the
intention
is
to
is
to
broaden
it
in
the
in
this
next
visitor
guide
that
comes
out
it's
to
put
better
video
behind
it,
because
we
had
to
use
video
that
we
had
as
opposed
to
creating
some
stronger
video
and
frankly,
this
contradiction
of
the
content
creative
office
will
allow
us
to
make
that
much
more
of
a
while
than
it
currently
is.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
think
it
start
off
with
the
positions
well.
First
to
say
the
capital
improvements
I
think
are
worthy
and
we
need
to
upgrade
and
continue
that
leaps,
gold,
certification
and
beyond,
and
then
the
positions
that
you
outlined,
the
the
positions
specifically
that
won't
be
outsourced
as
it
relates
to
graphics
and
other
promotions,
I
think
makes
sense.
We
in
the
long
run
will
save
money.
F
What
I
am
I
guess
concerned
about,
and
it
likens
to
what
former
councillor
Domingues
used
to
tell
us
about
the
seasonal
and
classification
creep,
and
this
was
a
conversation
last
year
or
our
budget
hearing
about
how
these
positions
specifically
called
litter
Patrol
would
become
full-time
and
he
was
right.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
that
he
was
concerned
that
if
we
were
starting
off
with
seasonal
that
eventually
they
would
become
this
classified
position,
and
we
should
be
careful
about
that.
F
So
I
guess
what
I'm
more
interested
in
is
about
the
Park
Rangers
and
how
they'll
be
utilized
and
I
see.
You
know
litter
can
litter
for
told
one
and
ambassadors,
but
did
you
all
consider
think
about
the
Park
Rangers,
because
I'm
assuming
they
will
be
one
of
them
at
least
will
be
focused
on
the
railyard
that
correct.
P
P
F
Fun,
security
and
the
reason
why
I
bring
this
up
is
because
we've
had
multiple
conversations
with
the
stakeholders
at
the
rail
yard
and
they've
requested
utilizing
a
security
guard,
one
that
could
show
a
presence,
but
also
be
an
ambassador
on
some
level
and
be
able
to
assist
folks,
not
just
that
want
to
know
what's
going
on
in
the
rail
yard,
but
also
people
that
are
needing
services,
whether
they're
integrated
services
related
to
homelessness,
that
they
could
direct
them
to
the
right
places
or
call
for
services.
F
P
Chairman
councilor
we've
actually
in
the
rail
yard
visitor
center
for
the
last
three
months
had
a
actually
for
months
had
a
security
person
dressed
as
a
visitor
center
person.
It's
been
successful,
but
probably
less
and
successful.
I
I
had
thought
that
we
had.
We
were
converting
the
the
one
additional
person
in
the
visitor
centers
and
the
what
that
was
going
to
allow
us
to
do.
If
we're
able
to
do
it
is
ensure
that
we
always
have
two
people
in
the
visitor
center.
P
I
think
we'll
be
better
off
if
we
can,
rather
than
having
someone
that
a
security
firm
provides,
and
we
try
to
teach
them
to
be
a
good
ambassador
and
a
visitor
center
person.
By
having
one
more
person,
we
will
not
have
to
staff
the
railyard
visitor
center
with
a
single
employee,
we'll
always
be
able
to
have
two
there.
Well.
F
P
The
the
Park
Rangers
will
be
between
the
rail
yard
and
the
downtown
area.
I
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we
realize
we're
not
suggesting
that
these
people
are
security
personnel
and
they
aren't
necessarily
going
to
be
trained
for
security
purposes,
they're
going
to
be
in
addition
to
litter.
In
addition
to
helping
visitors
and
residents,
find
how
to
get
from
here
to
there,
there
are
going
to
be
extra
eyes
for
us
and
they
will
be
able
to.
If
there's
a
need
for
security,
they
will
be
able
to
recruit
it.
F
F
F
And
I'm,
assuming
that's
what
you
were
doing,
that
the
consolidation
of
travel
I
know,
there's
just
a
lot
of
blank
spaces
of
past
travel
and
the
amounts
that
were
spent
and
then
there's
one
okay,
so
out
of
state
transportation,
maybe
you
could
just
that's
only
40
thousand.
There
was
a
hundred
and
ten.
F
P
P
F
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
that
these
the
format
there's
one
item
that
talked
about
new
contracts
with
idss
and
crowd
ripped
and
those
are
I'm
assuming
there's
software
subscriptions,
but
one
was
listed
on
the
lodgers
CBB
and
then
the
other
one
was
on
page
13,
which
I
think
goes
to
this
Convention
Center.
So
those
two
separate
sub.
F
P
Chairman
counselor,
it's
the
same
piece
of
software.
The
cost
is
split
between
the
two,
because
it's
used
for
space
management
within
the
Convention
Center,
and
it's
used
for
communication
tool
with
our
partners
in
the
visits
and
of
bayside,
because
our
funding
is
split
by
formula.
We
have
to
split
out
the
we
have
to
share
these
expenses
where
there's
a
shared
need.
They.
P
Crowd,
rif
is
twenty
thousand
eight
hundred
and
crowd
rift
is
a
photo
management
system.
It's
where
we
can
inventory
our
photos
and
it
has
it's
a
new
system
we're
going
to.
We
used
to
have
a
software
called
barbershop
cloud.
Riff
is
going
to
allow
people
through
Instagram
type
things
to
actually
put
give
us
their
photography.
We
accept
it
and
then
it
becomes
part
of
our
inventory,
so
we're
gonna
be
able
to
reach
out
to
the
public
and
have
them
share
their
experiences
with
Santa
Fe
and
have
it
actually
go
into
our
photo
inventory?
F
P
Mr.
chairman
counts
to
this
last
year,
we
we
took
over
the
installation
of
Farley
toes
on
the
Convention
Center.
We
bought
an
inventory
and
we
and
we
had
enough
extra-
that
we
actually
we're
the
ones
who
put
it
up
on
the
library.
This
is
an
idea.
It
will
replenish
our
spares
that
we
need
to
have.
We
gave
up
for
the
library
last
year
and
we
want
to
expand
it
to
downtown
parking
garage
anywhere
that
we
have
a
building.
P
F
Whatever
vendor
we
have
or
the
AV
and
the
caterers
that
are
selected
and
all
the
number
of
things
that
are
included
in
an
event
that
they
can't
afford.
It
so
when
we
keep
talking
about
the
community,
Convention
Center
I
sometimes
feel
that
it's
not
like
how
it
used
to
be
in
terms
of
accessibility
and
that's
why
we
get
so
many
requests
for
waivers,
because
people
don't
feel
like
they
can
actually
utilize
that.
F
So,
if
you
could
provide
me
with
that
explanation,
because
I
just
feel
like
maybe
there's
a
way
to
expand,
how
we
look
at
utilizing
outside
vendors
versus
the
ones
that
you
all
selected,
because
it
tends
to
from
what
I
hear
becoming
a
monopoly
and
I
know
you.
We
want
consistent
within
the
department
in
the
facility,
but
I
guess
I'm
curious.
Why
we
haven't
thought
beyond
just
who
is
selected
mr.
P
Chairman
I
can
very
briefly:
we
do
not
select
the
vendors
any
of
anyone
who
provides
services
can
request
to
be
a
service
provider
at
the
convention
center
if
they
can
provide
insurance
and,
if
they're
a
food
vendor.
If
they
can
put
up
the
deposit,
we
require
a
two
thousand
dollar
deposit,
they
can
do
business
and
they
can
offer
their
services
to
to
our
customers.
So
we
do
not
make
a
selection.
It's
the
industry
that
self-selects
so.
P
Mr.
chairman
counselor,
they
they
have
to
have
food
permits,
they
have
to
have
and
they
need
to
apply
and
become
a
caterer
for
us.
We
will
make
exceptions
if
there's
a
good
reason
to,
but
to
protect
those
who
do
put
in
a
deposit,
a
security
deposit
and
provide
services
on
a
regular
basis,
but
there
is
no
vendor
who
is
a
licensed
food
provider
who
cannot
apply
for
and
receive
permission
to
be
a
caterer
in
the
convention
center.
F
P
Chairman
councillor
David
will
provide
that
to
you
as
well
as
a
list
over
the
last
calendar
year
of
the
uses.
How
much
was
local?
How
much
was
related
to
group
rooms
is
the
way
we
break
it
down,
and
then
we
also
have
a
separate
list
for
city
uses
over.
There
will
provide
all
three
of
those
to
you.
Let.
F
Me
be
great,
the
other
piece
that
we
don't
really
see,
but
in
all
different
departments
we
actually
see
the
grant
making
selections,
whether
it's
through
community
service
or
CDC
and
I,
don't
think
I've
ever
seen,
Oh
tab
grants
and
who
got
selected
and
any
of
that
information
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
just
for
transparency
to
see
who
got
selected
for
those
grant
recommendations
and
what
the
criteria
was
for
the
selection
process.
I,
don't
even
know
at
this
point
who's
part
of
hoteth,
so
maybe
the
membership
would
be
good
to
know.
F
F
P
P
P
A
F
F
P
P
F
P
F
Have
ideas,
or
at
least
community
members
that
might
want
to
be
considered,
I,
don't
know
what
the
process
would
be,
but
I
just
think
the
indigenous
peoples
day.
It
looks
different
than
the
weekend,
which
can
be
a
celebration
of
of
culture
and
the
way
that
you
see
it
for
tourism
purposes,
which
is
entertainment,
but
the
actual
day
indigenous
peoples
day.
F
I've
had
requests
from
community
members
to
make
it
a
more
community
oriented
event
with
community
groups
either
having
booths
or
having
speakers
having
more
than
just
entertainment,
but
actually
kind
of
more
awareness
on
indigenous
issues
and
things
happening
in
the
community
positive
and
negative
to
kind
of
balance
out
what's
happening
in
our
indigenous
community.
So
if
I
can
help
in
any
way,
I
can
certainly
I'd
be
happy
to
considering
my
other
contacts
with
my
nonprofit
world.
O
P
Mr.
chairman
I'd
love
to
work
with
you
on
it
and
and
again
the
the
primary
focus.
It
was
originally
just
a
Monday
celebration.
Last
year
we
added
Saturday
and
Sunday
because
of
Balloon
Fiesta,
and
it
is
but
the
primary
focus
and
the
primary
expenditures
on
Monday,
and
we
would
love
to
work
with
you
on
it.
Okay,.
C
So
me,
the
issues
are
really
a
bigger
picture
and
has
to
do
with
the
impact
of
tourism.
I
realize
this
is
your
job,
everybody
who's
sitting
there
and
we
we
talk
about
different
endeavors
that
have
gone
on
and
including
some
new
ones
that
I
just
heard
counsel
read
via
rial.
But
to
me
the
impact
of
tourism
is
not
all
positive.
It's
not.
You
know.
There's
strains
on
our
resources,
both
human,
our
infrastructure
and
any
number
of
things
that
that
I
don't
think
we're
accounting.
We
don't.
We
don't
account
for
I.
C
Think
in
part,
this
should
be
accounted
for
in
the
tourism
budget
and
in
part
now
tourism
does
a
number
of
things.
You
talked
about
litter,
Patrol,
but
that's
just
downtown.
If
litter
is
an
issue
to
you,
it's
either
beholder
I
see
it
all
over
town
and
people
who
drive
into
our
town
people
fly
into
our
town,
get
the
same
visuals
throughout
our
town,
so
you
know,
and
that
that's
not
related
to
my
first
statement.
I'm
not
saying
the
tourism
earth
are
throwing
there.
There
are
plastic
bottles
out
the
window
or
things
like
that.
C
But
I
think
you
understand
what
I'm
saying
I
realize:
there's
constraints
with
the
lodge
of
the
statute
associated
with
lodgers
tax.
Is
there
ever
been
an
effort
either?
You
know
coming
from
your
office
or
statewide
lodgers
Association,
to
open
that
up
to
have
some
sort
of
recognition.
What
the
with
the
negative
impacts
of
tourism,
our.
P
Mr.
chairman,
councilor
I
I
have
to
be
honest,
I,
don't
quite
agree
with
you
as
to
the
negative
impact
of
tourism.
I,
think
it's
a
great
economic
generator
for
the
city.
The
benefit
of
tourism
is
through
gross
receipts.
Tax
and
lodging
community
feels
that
the
GRT
that's
created
by
tourism
is
sufficient
to
offset
any
particular
costs
that
are
related
to
the
tourism
that
the
city
might
incur.
That
is
not
covered
by
lodgers
tax.
P
C
Know,
cities
operate
the
lodge,
excuse
me,
but
you
know
so
clearly
I'm
asking
the
question
of
the
wrong
person.
You
don't
agree
with
me,
but
you
know
the
largest
tax,
for
the
most
part
is
going
to
driving
more
tourism,
not
less
to
the
billion
hospital,
two
million
hotel
rooms
not
less
and
yes,
you're
picking
up
trash
around
the
downtown
area,
maybe
the
rail
yard.
And
yes,
you
know
I
think
that
feels
like
throwing
the
dog
a
bone.
When
you
just
put
$10,000
towards
the
Southside
Bandstand
I
mean
it's
just
you
know
in
part.
C
Quite
frankly,
you
can
make
the
case
that
you
got
a
creative
Southside
Bandstand,
because
the
the
suburb
and
Stan
series
for
the
most
part
doesn't
feel
like
a
local
event.
So
anyways
I
know
you
disagree
with
me
on
this,
and
so
I
have
to
I
would
have
to
take
it
up
for
someone
else
to
see
if
they
have
a
more
expansive
view
of
what
lodgers
tax
can
pay
for.
No.
P
Mr.
chairman
I
think
that
the
enabling
legislation
that
the
state
put
in
is
pretty
clear
as
to
the
purpose
for
lodgers
tax
is
exactly
what
you
described
it's
to
perpetuate
and
grow
tourism
throughout
the
state
of
New
Mexico
and
again,
if
the
if
the
GRT
from
tourism
could
be
isolated,
I
think
that
would
be
terrific
to
use
it
for
there's.
S
C
An
example
mr.
Randol,
here's
an
example
for
you,
so
I
went
to
a
tremendous
gathering.
The
mayor
was
there
this
morning.
The
Mayo
Clinic
now
has
a
contractual
affiliation
with
Christa
st.
Vincent's
Hospital.
We
all
know
about
health,
tourism,
well,
health,
tourism
in
Santa,
Fe,
with
with
our
two
hospitals
with
the
other
care
providers
that
we
have
whatever
that
may
be,
I
think
that's
something
you
should
work
towards.
Mr.
P
C
P
Mr.
chairman
councilor,
it's
to
support
the
marketing
effort
that
the
air
Alliance
produces
to
bring
in
both
more
flights
or
to
have
more
seats,
build
on
the
existing
flights
that
we
protect
those
flights.
It
is
not
for
the
operating
costs
of
the
airline
okay,
so
it's
all
marketing
dollars.
Mr.
chairman
count,
sir,
it's
either
marketing
dollars
or
revenue
guarantees.
Should
the
air
Alliance
with
the
city's
concurrence,
enter
into
future
revenue
guarantees?
There
are
no
because.
C
And
so
we
have
a
real
problem
taking
any
more
flights,
even
the
one
that
starts
Friday
from
Phoenix
they're,
you
know,
even
after
it
was
agreed
to.
There
was
an
issue
about
whether
we
can
handle
it.
So
I
guess
I
really
have
you
know
a
concern
whether
we're
trying
to
build
up
funds
for
future
service
guarantees
which,
as
you
know,.
C
P
P
A
P
E
E
P
It's
just
the
lodges.
Tax
law
was
changed
two
years
ago
to
allow
lodgers
tax
to
be
used
for
revenue
guarantees.
So
should
the
city
enter
into
revenue,
guarantees
or
approve
the
airlines
from
doing
it,
it
could
be
used
for
that.
I
am
totally
in
agreement
that
revenue
guarantees
should
not
be
a
requirement,
and
particularly
until
we
have
an
airline,
an
airport
that
could
handle
more
capacity.
So
the
the
whole
driving
force
for
the
airlines
right
now
is
to
increase
the
loads
on
our
existing
flights
and
ensure
that
we
don't
lose
any
of
those
planes
and.
P
Chairman
councillor,
that's
absolutely
right
and
it
will
only
be
transferred
to
the
airline
alliance
as
it's
needed
by
the
airlines
if,
if
they
don't
have
a
good
we're,
not
just
giving
them
the
money
to
build
their
budget,
they
have
to
have
a
plan
to
use
it
before.
It
comes
back
to
Council
to
move
that
money,
and
it
does
come
back
to
Council
to
move
that
money.
A
M
Chairman,
that
is
correct,
that
should
be
in
the
green
folders
that
staff
left
in
your
office's,
their
packet
for
public
works,
as
well
as
a
packet
for
public
utilities
that
were
was
left
for
your
review.
These
are,
as
you
were,
reviewing
with
other
departments,
the
budget
expenditure
summary
it's
an
eight-and-a-half
by
11
sheet
of
paper
republic
works.
In
addition
to
that,
we
have
also
provided
the
budget
detail,
which
are
the
eight
and
a
half
five
fourteen
sheep
that
go
into
the
same
level
of
detail,
as
you
have
seen
for
other
Department
and.
A
When
I
look
at
the
summaries
by
category
I
see
overall
there's
a
four
point:
nine
percent
increase
but
there's
twelve
point:
two
percent
increase
in
contractuals
and
utilities.
Eighty
nine
point
two
and
repairs
and
maintenance.
Twenty
two
point:
nine
and
supplies
on
eleven
point:
nine
percent
increase
in
other
operating
costs,
so
miss
wheeler.
If
you
could
introduce
your
staff,
that's
with
you
today
and
start
with
those
items
that
are
summarized
by
category
and
why
the
increase
and
then
we'll
get
into
questions
from
the
committee.
Thank
you.
Thank.
T
You
chairman
members
of
the
committee
members
of
council,
Regina
wheeler,
the
public
works
director.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
having
a
conversation
about
our
budget
for
FY
2013
here
with
me,
is
Margie
Wagner,
who
is
our
acting
fiscal
administrator
for
the
department
after
the
Department
departure
of
Bobby
huesemann
this
year
to
join
the
County
Clerk's
office,
I
have
John
Romero
who's,
the
director
of
the
engineering
division
and
the
Javier
Martinez
who's,
the
director
of
the
streets
and
drainage
division
and
the
other
division
directors
for
the
Public
Works
Department.
T
One
of
them
is
there's
an
additional
$500,000
for
Midtown
that
was
never
part
of
our
budget
before
and
now
the
Public
Works
Department
is
carrying
the
Midtown
budget
and
responsibility
for
maintaining
that
campus,
of
course,
in
close
partnership
with
economic
development,
there's
also
a
significant
increase
in
the
parking
of
revenue,
as
well
as
expenses
associated
with
the
implementation
of
the
new
revenue
assurance
system,
the
parks
system.
T
So
there's
debt
service
associated
with
that
of
approximately
$200,000
a
year
on
there's
in
additional
revenue
and
then
there's
also
some
transaction
fees
associated
with
that,
and
that
system
will
really
relieve
on
the
congestion
and
departing
from
our
parking
garages,
because
people
can
prepay
and
you
don't
have
to
pay
at
the
window
as
you're
leaving
and
that's
one
of
it.
So
it'll
be
revenue
assurance
as
well
as
convenience
for
our
customers.
We
also
have
a
$300,000
increase
in
the
facilities
division
for
fire
compliance.
T
The
fire
marshal
is
doing
an
inspection
of
all
city
buildings,
including
Midtown
this
year,
and
we
want
to
be
prepared
to
respond
quickly
to
anything.
That's
found
there
in
that.
With
that
review,
there
was
also
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
increase
in
the
ITT
in
general
assessments
against
the
transit
division,
which
made
a
significant
increase
in
that
divisions,
budget
as
well.
T
Oh
and
the
parking
division
is
also
experiencing
an
increase
of
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
debt
service
and
that's
associated
with
the
increased
general
overall
expense
to
the
city
of
a
higher
debt
service
payment
on
the
convention
center
garage
this
coming
year,
and
we
have
other
small
pieces
of
five
there's
some
division,
specific
software
that
has
moved
into
the
department
budget
and
some
of
our
facilities
that
are
at
least
are
expected
to
do
some
reimbursable
repairs
this
year.
Okay,.
U
U
U
A
T
M
A
T
L
A
U
A
A
Q
Q
U
V
V
V
Line
items
instead
of
just
one
mr.
chair
councillor,
that
is
for
tracking
purposes
those
other
two.
You
don't
see
them
in
there,
because
that's
kind
of
a
code
that
we
know
you're
not
going
to
be
interested
in,
but
there's
something
called
a
subsidiary
code
in
there
and
that
code
identifies
for
us.
Okay,
this
is
the
ith
arge.
This
is
a
fleek
charge
or
in
the
case
of
no
subsidiary.
V
U
T
I'm
chairman
I'm
councillor,
Rivera,
that's
for
the
purchase
of
snow
equipment.
That
was
a
grant
that
was
received
and
we
have
purchased
some
of
the
equipment
and
we'll
finish
purchasing
that
equipment
before
the
snow
year
this
year,
I
believe
that
was
budgeted
this
fiscal
year
and
nothing
for
FY
2008.
You
see
as
well.
U
U
V
V
V
U
U
U
S
T
Counselor
by
my
dad
is
you
remember
that
Council
just
approved
the
adoption
and
implementation
of
the
stormwater
management
plan,
and
we
now
we're
in
full
swing
of
implementing
that
plan
and
it's
all
really
timely
after
learning
so
much
from
the
storm
last
July,
you
know
where
our
needs
are.
We
have
a
great
team
in
place
to
implement
that
plan.
We
have
really
good
itemized
Direction
about
where
we
need
to
do
work
and
we're
doing
that
work
and
it's.
S
T
Chairman
counsel
Rivera,
that
is,
that
200
increase,
is
we're
proposing
to
increase
our
remodel
and
replacement
light
item
from
100
to
300
thousand
for
stormwater
infrastructure,
repair
and
maitenance
storm
damage.
How.
S
Care
of
mr.
chair
councillor
Iveta,
so
we
temporarily
mitigated
some
of
the
initial
damage,
but
there
is
a
lot
of
infrastructure
improvements
that
we
need
to
do
to
prevent
future
damage
during
future.
Big
events,
so
this
money
is
looking
to
do
some
of
that.
We're
also
going
to
be
looking
to
do
a
lot
of
the
more
expensive
improvements
through
future
bonding.
S
T
T
Chairman
counselor
Vera
yeah,
it's
actually
both.
We
have
quite
a
list
of
issues
identified
with
the
buildings
that
we're
stabilizing
the
campus
it's
much
more
stable
than
it
was
when
we
first
started
getting
our
hands
around
maintenance
at
the
campus
of
some
number
of
months
ago,
thanks
to
the
council
and
the
finance
director,
is
he
manager
appropriating
funds
at
mid-year?
We
have
a
full-time
preserve
person
now
who's
managing
the
property
maintenance
of
the
of
the
campus,
and
we
have
contracts
in
place
and
we
have
contractors
moving
to
repair
issues.
T
We
still
have
a
number
of
outstanding
issues,
including
some
of
the
damage,
composing
pipe
last
winter
hasn't
been
repaired
and
so
we're
slowly
but
surely
making
ground.
So
I
would
say
that
probably
half
of
the
money
is
already
identified
for
projects
and
the
other
half
is
for
unanticipated
failures
that
we'll
discover,
as
we
move
forward.
U
T
U
U
A
J
J
R
Mr.
chair
counselor
Lyndell,
if
you
look
in
FY,
18
and
personal
day,
miscellaneous
leave
comp
time.
Sick
leave
incentives.
We
stopped
budgeting
for
every
line
item
in
salary,
we
just
budget
the
salary
line
item
and
then,
when
payroll
pays,
they
pay
out
of
those
line
items
we
don't
budget
at
them.
That
would
be
a
nightmare.
R
I
mean
it
was,
if
you
add
up
all
of
the
annual
leave
personal
day,
miscellaneous
comp
time.
Sick
leave
incentives.
We
do
budget
incentives,
we
do
budget
overtime,
but
the
rest
of
the
salary
line.
Items
are
just
rolled
up
into
the
salary,
and
so
I
would
a
granade
those
numbers
in
FY,
17
and
FY
18
from
sick
leave
through
salary,
and
they
should
be
fairly
consistent
once
you've
done.
That.
C
C
Mean
this
may
be,
but
my
first
question
was
on
the
railyard
found
in
councilor.
Rivera
asked
that
you
may
be
a
more
general
question
is
kind
of
given
the
last
conversation
from
tourism.
I
would
think
that
some
significant
portion
of
this
to
go
from
lodgers
tax
as
it
stands
right
now
where
these
the
railyard
bond
is
a
standalone
and
correct,
and
how
is
it?
How
is
it
funded.
R
C
But
thanks
for
the
reminder,
I
should
have
known
that,
but
those
those
revenue
streams
don't
cover
the
cost
of
the
other.
Whether
is
whether
these
items
administrator,
the
Conservancy
or
SFRC,
see
they
don't
know
they
don't
really
cover
the
cost
of
rail
yard
operations
and
I
I
should
say
that
I
received
kind
of
a
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
sneak
preview,
but
mr.
Fletch
has
been
working
on
really
a
full
analysis.
C
C
C
T
I'm
councillor,
Harris
I,
don't
believe
we
do
on
that.
Money
comes
from
grant
funding
which
we
have
not
received
this
fiscal
year,
and
that
was
to
expend
it
all
I
bought
this
current,
but
next
school
year
it's
not
achieved.
Yet
we
will
apply
for
the
grant
and
if
we
do
get
it
we'd
bring
it
to
Council
to
bring
into
our
budget.
But
since
we
have
not
received
the
grant,
we
don't
have
that
budgeted.
Okay,.
C
I
guess
I
was
just
confused
because
I
asked
you
to
public
works
and
you
answered
it
in
mr.
Baca
provided
the
answer,
but
okay
I'll
move
on
and
so
on.
Engineering
council
Rivera
also
spoke
to
one
of
my
line
items
the
bump
from
100k
to
300k
and
I
realized.
So
all
that
work
is
really
identified.
I
get.
Is
that
correct,
probably
either
mr.
Romero
or
mr.
Martinez.
So
we
know
what
that
$300,000
is
going
to
go
for
well.
C
All
right,
fair
enough,
I'm
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
budget
it
and
we
can
put
it
in
service
as
quickly
as
possible
and
I
think
I
think
it's
certainly
possible
in
this
line
item.
You
know,
I've
mentioned
also
the
question
about
training
and
tuition,
and
this
this
is
a
theme
that
runs
through
many
of
our
departments.
C
I,
don't
remember
the
absolute
number
in
facilities,
but
I've
seen
some
$500
line
items
for
training
in
tuition,
I've
seen
a
thousand
dollars
and
I
mean
that
doesn't
I
mean
you
know
that
puts
maybe
a
booklet
together,
I,
don't
know
what
it
does
to
tell
you
their
truth,
and
so
how
do
we
arrive
at?
That?
Is
that
just
something
that
we
don't
believe
we
have
money
for,
because
in
my
own
professional
experience
as
well
as
observing
whether
it's
you
know,
work
here,
the
city
of
Santa
Fe?
We
really
have
to
provide
training.
C
T
Councillor
Harris,
it's
a
great
point
and
thank
you
so
much
for
raising
it
up.
It's
really
important
to
issue
to
address
better
and
I
think
the
numbers
are
usually
small
in
the
you
know,
under
the
$10,000
to
get
some
significant
training,
and
so
we
can
move
it
around
from
other
line
items
as
we
arise
to
that.
But
we
could
do
a
better
job
of
developing
a
training
plan
for
the
facilities
team
and
we'll
definitely
do
that.
Yeah.
C
That'd
be
good
and
I
think
it's
certainly
not
just
for
Public
Works
and
so
were
the
most
significant
budget.
I've
seen
that's
really
specific
to
training
was
in
HR,
don't
know
if
that
was
all
work.
Internal
to
HR
or
some
of
that
budget
was
gonna,
go
to,
for
instance,
Public
Works,
but
it's
something
we
certainly
need
to
look
at
and
actually
I
would
be
interested
in
MS
McCoy
to
see
a
total
number
for
the
dollars
that
we've
got
budgeted
and
I'd
like
to
see.
C
If
my
department,
long
as
you
can
pull
it
up,
you
can
pull
it
up
by
department
for
training
and
tuition.
I
think
we'll
be
surprised,
given
the
size
of
our
enterprise
and
I'm
talking
about
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
Just
in
you
know,
just
in
our
budget.
We're
talking
about
here,
I
think
we
would
be
astounded
at
how
little
you
do
a
chairman.
T
Councilor
but
I
might
add
a
little
bit
to
that.
You
know
I
very
much
support
training
as
well
and
mr.
Romero's
team
is
continuously
doing
CEUs
and
and
doing
state-of-the-art
training
to
find
out
what's
going
on,
participating
with
d-o-t
and
some
of
the
other
divisions
do
as
well,
and
so
we
we
do
have
some
good,
robust
training
going
on
we're
sure
to
have
everybody
get
the
training
they
need
to
keep
their
licenses
current
across
the
organization,
whether
it's
a
PE
or
an
electrical
license
or
a
GP
98,
because
we
have
a
number
of
those.
T
C
Thank
you,
I
think,
that's
great,
so
I
asked
about
the
debt
service
numbers
for
the
Midtown
campus
and
the
answer
was
finance
can
provide
and
I
should
also
say
that
I
edited
a
little
bit
because
I
was
very
pleased
to
see
separate
budgeting
for
the
Midtown
property,
and
the
flip
side
of
that
is
that
that
that
should
have
been
done
from
day
one
on
the
railyard
property
as
well.
So
we're
getting
ready
to
hear
from
mr.
clich
down
the
road.
But
you
know
that's
again
we're
starting
off
right
on
the
Midtown
property.
C
R
Chairman
councillor
Harris,
that
represent
that
service
on
Midtown
campus
represents
the
refunding
of
the
2009
NMFA
bond
to
purchase
the
Midtown
campus.
In
fact,
you'll
be
seeing
the
Finance
Committee
just
saw
the
ordinance
on
Monday
yesterday
nor
Public
Works
saw
last
week.
Finance
will
see
it
the
next
meeting
and
then
it'll
be
read
at
the
count.
The
first
reading
will
be
May,
8
and
then
or,
and
then
hopefully
will
be
approving
that
ordinance
at
the
end
of
May,
1st
of
June
Oh.
The
aggregate.
C
Of
the
two
numbers-
let's,
let's
just
call
it
1.7,
okay,
as
opposed
to
then
we
know-
we've
been
the
magic
number
was
2.2.
The
1.7,
but
is,
is
offset
in
part
I
thought.
Well.
The
bottom
line
number
was
offset
by
the
flexibility
we
got
on
the
call
feature,
the
annual
call
feature.
I
didn't
think
it
was
going
to
be
this
low.
Is
this
the
only
place
in
our
budget
that
we're
carrying
death
showing
the
death
service
on
the
Midtown
property,
or
do
we
show
it
elsewhere?
That.
R
C
Are
can
have
been,
salaries
are
down
1.1
percent,
yet
employee
health
insurance
for
the
same
category
is
seemingly
the
same.
Category
is
up
one
hundred
and
forty
seven
percent-
and
you
know
that's
you
know,
increase
of
employee
benefits
is,
is
you
know
a
constant
theme
throughout
the
budget,
but
this
one
struck
me
is
just
in
a
much
higher
number
than
I'd
seen
in
other
departments.
Mr.
R
Chair
councillor
Harris,
we
did
we
budget
health
insurance
for
vacant
positions
as
if
it
was
a
family
of
four
there's,
a
significant
difference
between
a
single,
a
couple
and
a
family
of
four
and
so
there's
vacant
positions
in
parking
and
we
budgeted
at
the
high
end
the
family
of
four
rate.
So
a
single
person
is
like
seven
thousand
dollars
a
family
of
four
is
sixteen
seventeen
thousand
dollars
and
that's
the
city's
contribution.
And
so,
when
we
budget
at
the
family
of
four,
it's
significantly
impacted
those
departments
with
high
levels
of
vacancies.
C
You
know
I,
think
I,
think
councilor
Rivera
also
asked
about
this,
or
was
alluded
to,
and
that's
the
twenty
two
point:
six
percent
increased
for
parking
I
think
the
answer
is
pretty
clear,
relates
to
the
meters
the
park
assurance
and
probably
the
the
biggest
number
that
goes
into
that
is
moving.
You
know
the
the
debt
we
have
in
the
parking
structure
in
the
in
the
what's
required
for
us
to
service
that
debt
with
coming
several
years
really
increases
parkings.
C
Transit
you
know,
I
asked
about
overtime,
transit
is
the
one
area
and
I
rep,
and
it
shows
up
in
transit
bus.
It
shows
them
Santa
Fe
pick
up.
The
shows
in
paratransit
all
show
significant
increases
in
overtime
pay,
as
opposed
to
I.
Just
hadn't.
Seen
that
much.
You
know
dollar
wise,
that
nearly
that
much
overtime.
C
Those
positions
that
is
I
know
that
we've
seen
from
some
of
the
folks
who
bus
transit,
you
know
they
felt
like
there
was
a
low
wage,
and
maybe
we
have
a
harder
time
attracting
and
so
we've
got
to
use
the
people.
We
have
I
assume
I'm,
not
necessarily
opposed
to
to
overtime.
To
me,
you've
been
it
gets
to
a
safety
issue.
If
he's
paid
too
much
overtime,
people
get
weary,
that's
just
it,
and
certainly
we
had
a
very
unfortunate
accident
with
one
of
our
equipment
operators
within
Public
Works.
That's
that's
really
my
concern.
C
M
Chairman
councillor
Harris
for
being
for
all
departments
all
divisions
within
all
departments.
This
year
we
have
taken
a
different
methodology
for
budgeting
over
time.
We've
taken
the
average
of
the
last
two
years
and
that's
why
you
see
the
uptick
over
the
budgeted
level
in
the
current
fiscal
year.
This
is
to
start
to
write,
thighs
the
overtime
budget
to
what
actuals
are
in
previous
years.
So
one
of
the
examples
that
we
reviewed
with
Public
Works
during
their
budget
development
is
actually
first
Street
their
prior.
M
Your
actuals
for
drought
years
will
not
match
up
to
what
they
will
be
potentially
encountering
in
future
years
that
are
not
drought
years.
So
that's
one
change
that
we
might
have
to
make
at
mid-year
next
year.
If
we
are
in
a
severe
winter
again
where
we
are
seeing
additional
overtime
for
our
streets
division,
we
will
similar
to
what
we
did
with
potholes,
be
addressing
that
particular
shortfall.
C
O
T
Chairman
and
councillor
Harris,
yes,
the
the
problem
with
the
pay
of
the
transit
operators
has
exacerbated
this
issue
over
the
past
number
of
years,
where
the
turnover
rate
has
been
unbelievable.
I,
probably
sign
five
piays
a
week.
Positioning
administration
forms
for
this
division,
they're
constantly
hiring
their
people
constantly.
T
The
unit
did
drive
the
overtime
up,
but
we've
got
a
successfully
addressing
that
with
it
with
this
budget,
I
think,
as
we
do,
the
classic
comp
implementation
and
and
the
and
the
two
percent
adjustments,
and
we
are
really
expecting
that
that
will
help
us
stabilize
our
staffing
and
and
really
reduce
the
overtime
and
and
really
take
care
of
our
operators
and
make
sure
that
they're
not
fatigued,
and
we
had
a
really
great
year
for
safety
last
year
during
the
summer,
with
the
transit
division
of
the
division.
Director
and
I
were
just
actually
speaking
about
that.
C
Well,
you
know
I,
guess,
I
think
that
I
don't
see
any
reason.
Why
wouldn't
that
all
be
Rogers
tax
yeah-
and
this
is
this-
is
something
that
you
know
we're
not
gonna
resolve.
Today
you
heard
the
conversation,
the
question,
answers
and
somewhat
dismissal
of
mr.
Randall
on
to
my
question
on
loggers
taxes.
F
You
mr.
chair
I
think
one
few
questions
so
I,
don't
know
where
it
would
be
located.
I'm
assuming
the
engineering
line
items.
Is
there
specific
funding
sources
and
are
they
saying
the
same
or
they
decreasing
or
the
increasing
related
to
speed,
monitor
equipment
and
then
also
any
funding
does
associated
with
designating
speed
reduction
measures.
I
don't
know
where
they
would
be
in
the
budget,
though,
and
if
you
can
just
speak
to
any
increases
decreases
or
maintaining.
S
S
F
That
up
to
include
those
signage,
electric
speed,
I,
don't
know
if
the
business
in
your
department
I
think
it's
all
connected.
I
just
never
understand
where
the
funding
source
comes
from,
but
specifically
those
speed
limit,
electric
signage
or
money
that
we
utilize
her
speed,
humps
or
other
techniques.
Mister.
F
S
E
A
F
For
parking,
the
overall
budget,
I
wasn't
there's
so
many
papers
here.
I
know
there
was
an
increase
about
what
27%
can't
find
it
there's
too
many
papers
here
it
was
on
the
over
overall
general
budget
increases
to
27%,
maybe
20
something
22.5
person.
What's
what's
the
largest
increase
for
the
department
there.
T
Chairman
council
very
al,
there
is
a
number
of
large
ones,
there's
a
$500,000
additional
debt
service
for
the
community
conventions
that
are
garage,
there's
a
$200,000
increase
in
debt
service
for
the
new
revenue
assurance
system
that
we're
purchasing
and
then
there's
approximately
another
$200,000
in
service
contract
costs
for
that
revenue.
Insurance
system
as
well
it'll
also
bring
in
extra
revenue.
So
some
of
that
costs
are
balanced
with
the
revenue.
Okay,.
F
R
Convention
Center,
they
split
this
37%
parking,
63%
convention
center
and
the
reason
it
had
been
modified
in
the
past
is
that
previous
administrations
had
allowed
parking
to
be
billed
the
debt
service
to
the
extent
they're
getting
the
revenue
from
the
parking
garage,
and
so
this
year
we
did
not
limit
their
debt
service
to
just
these.
They
get
we
they
got
their
full
allocation.
I
guess,
in
addition
to
the
up
increase
in
the
principle
payment
due
right.
F
And
so
who
decides,
if
that's
fair
or
do
you
all
feel
like
that's
how
to
quit?
No,
not
adequate
for
parking,
so
is
there
a
way
to
restructure
that
I?
Don't
know
I
just
feel
like,
because
it
I
know
the
Convention
Center
doesn't
necessarily
benefit
from
the
parking.
It
doesn't
necessarily
go
to
the
services
they're,
providing
or
events,
but
it
is
connected
as
part
of
the
infrastructure,
so
I've
never
understood
since
I
started
here.
Why
parking
takes
they
used
to
take
a
larger
piece
of
the
debt
service
and
now
I'm
just
curious?
F
R
T
German
councillor
VL,
if
I
might
add
to
that
as
well.
We
had
a
discussion
about
this
with
finance
and
there
are
reasons
why
there's
not
as
much
revenue
from
that
community
Convention,
Center
garage
and
one
of
them
is-
is
that
employees
park
there.
So
we're
thinking
about
undertaking
an
exercise
together
about
really
assessing
what
are
what
is
that
facility
being
used
for?
T
Where
are
the
costs
properly
allocated
and
really
just
getting
right
down
to
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
it,
because
sweet'n
one
way,
Convention
Center
swing
the
other
way
parking,
but
it
might
be
a
little
finer
resolution
really
issue.
You
know
what
is
the
cost
of
the
free
events
that
we
sponsor
and
just
to
really
get
some
detail
on
that
and
then
make
some
better
decisions
about
where
to
allocate.
T
M
Chairman
councillors,
this
is
the
problem
that
Regina
identified
as
a
problem
that
we're
seeing
citywide,
where
we
are
not
accurately
accounting
for
expenses
and
revenue
and
the
parking
garage
the
employee
passes
that
we
provide
to
our
employees.
We
should
be
allocating
that
expense
somewhere
within
our
budget
and
thymol
taneous
lee.
We
should
be
allocating
that
revenue
to
parking,
so
that
is
one
classic
example
that
we
can
use
that
we're
gonna
be
partnering
with
each
of
the
different
departments
to
start
accurately
accounting
for
expenses
and
for
revenue
throughout
50,
great.
F
That
is
exactly
what
I
want
to
hear,
especially
because
we
do
need
I
mean
that
was
the
whole
point
of
having
that
garage.
It
was
also
to
have
the
employees
parked
there,
but
that
shouldn't
be
something
that
parking
has
to
take
the
brunt
of
the
expense,
or
at
least
it's
less,
but
I
still
think
it's
inequitable
so
I'd
like
to
look
at
that
further
and
I'm
glad
you
all
are
considering
that
this
is
a
small
amount.
I
always
bring
it
up
every
year,
but
I
couldn't
find
it
in
transit.
F
T
Chairman
comes
RVL
that
that
program
is
still
alive
and
well
and
actually
has
exceeded
its
sort
of
forecasted
budget
by
about
$10,000
at
this
point,
but
it's
not
a
real
expense.
It's
actually
just
a
loss
of
revenue
by
the
people
that
get
to
ride
for
free,
because
they've
received
a
chain,
breaker
bicycle
and
the
transit
division
has
been
monitoring
that
and
spot-checking,
and
the
people
that
are
using
are
using
the
passes
that
they
get
do
you
have
bicycles,
and
so
it
seems
like
it's
really,
vibrant
and
and
while
utilize
what's.
I
F
Just
because
there
was
supposed
to
be
an
analysis
that
I
never
saw
about
the
use
and
ways
to
expand
it
via
other
nonprofit,
like
like
blink
I,
mean
there's
other
groups
that
it
also
could
have
to
be
benefit
not
just
from
a
bike
thumb
chain.
Breaker
right,
you
think,
is
important,
but
I
think
there's
other
groups
and
I'm
just
curious.
We,
the
last
budget
cycle.
We
talked
about
doing
an
analysis
and
I,
don't
know
if
anyone
ever
came
up
with
it.
I
have.
F
T
M
D
E
D
M
Mr.
chairman
and
councilor
V
Hill
coppler
the
methodology
that
we
are
using
for
the
FY
2008
four
overtimes
we're
taking
the
average
of
the
two
prior,
your
actual
that
we
have-
and
we
understand
that-
and
this
has
been
applied
consistently
for
each
division
throughout
each
department
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
with
streets
as
an
example.
If
they're,
the
average
of
the
two
prior
years
of
actuals,
was
based
off
of
two
dryers.
M
So
if
we
encounter
another
severe
winter,
we
will
actually
be
looking
to
reallocate
within
the
existing
budget
or
coming
back
to
council
next
year
at
mid-year
for
an
increase
in
the
allocation
for
overtime.
But
this
is
the
standardized
methodology
that
we
have
used
throughout
Public,
Safety
and
other
departments
to
bring
actuals
and
prior
your
actuals
into
our
analysis
for
the
future
budgeting
cycle.
Oh.
D
My
question
to
miss
wheeler
is
when
you,
when
you
schedule
parking
enforcement,
do
do
they
have
a
different
schedule
than
Monday
through
Saturday
I
mean
Monday
through
Friday
or
I
mean.
Are
they
scheduled
so
that
when
most
of
the
I
know
Sundays
free
parking
still?
Is
that
right?
We
start
there?
Okay,
so
do
you
schedule
employees
differently
for
the
events
that
we
have.
D
T
D
D
D
D
T
D
A
R
This
is
something
that
I,
the
financial
planning
and
reporting
Division
of
the
finance
department
would
like
to
learn.
Can't
is
to
do
this
for
all
of
our
enterprises
and
that's
really
look
into
them
from
a
longer-term
perspective.
I
do
a
more
historical,
long
term,
look
back
as
well
as
forecast
the
future
for
them.
So
the
first
page
is
the
railyard
history
right.
Y
Machination
up
one
second
I,
think
your
your
underplaying.
What
you're
doing
I
think
this
is
much
more
significant
than
that.
I
think
what
you're
doing
is
really
important,
and
that
is
to
look
at
the
entire
asset
portfolio
of
the
city.
Councillor
Harris
earlier
this
afternoon,
who
talked
about
this
investment
as
well
as
investment
and
managing
our
investments
more
strategically
and
I
think
this
is,
if
I
interpret
this
correctly,
based
on
the
conversations
you
and
I
and
Mary
and
the
city
manager
have
had.
Y
This
is
really
just
chapter,
one
of
an
asset
by
asset
assessment
of
how
well
or
how
less
well
the
city
has
been
managing
its
portfolio
and
it's
not
just
looking
at
them
as
accounts,
that's
looking
at
them
as
the
entire
base
of
assets
that
we
have
assembled
over
time,
sometimes
thoughtfully,
sometimes
out
of
in
emergency
need
and
sometimes
simply
without
really
giving
it
a
great
deal
of
financial
planning.
And
so
this
is
kind
of
a
beginning
of
an
ongoing
series
of
these
kinds
of
presentations.
Y
Looking
at
all
of
the
portfolio
that
the
city
has
and
then
thinking
through
how
we're
going
to
use
our
financial
resources
going
forward
and
making
some
choices,
because
this
entire
all
of
the
budget
conversations
so
far
as
the
questions
have
indicated,
are
basically
about
choices
and
the
choices
that,
though,
that
the
mayor
the
governing
body
together
make
about
using
our
financial
resources
to
get
the
outcomes
we
value
the
highest.
So
I
would
not,
and
that
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
but
I
think
you
as
they
say
in
golf
I.
R
I'm
just
to
clarify,
then
my
background
is
a
as
a
securities
analysts
I've
been
a
portfolio
manager
of
other
people's
money
for
roughly
30
years,
I
analyze
companies
entities
just
about
anything
with
a
balance
sheet
and
income
statement,
and
when
I
noticed
when
I
came
to
the
city,
that
and
I've
noticed
this
in
government
that
they
spend
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
revenues
and
making
sure
that
they
that
there's
enough
revenues
to
cover
their
expenses.
But
very
little
effort
is
used
to
look
at
the
balance
sheet
of
a
government
in
the
private
sector.
R
The
balance
sheet
is
there
to
support
the
operations
of
the
company
and,
if
it's
not
supporting
the
operations
or
of
the
company
in
the
way
it's
moving
now
they
liquidate
those
assets
and
convert
it
to
cash
so
that
it
can
be
deployed
into
another
asset
that
actually
serves
the
purpose
of
the
governing
body.
The
Board
of
Directors
or
whoever.
R
So
the
one
thing
I
had
noticed
immediately
on
my
hiring
is
that
the
city
has
a
very
large
balance
sheet
and
a
lot
of
the
assets
don't
appear
to
be
performing
to
the
level
you
would
expect
and
I've
shared
this
opinion
with
the
mayor,
the
finance
directors,
the
city
manager
and
a
number
of
the
council.
So
this
is
my
first
look
into
the
assets
on
the
balance
sheet
of
the
city.
R
You'd
understand
that
this
is
a
billion
dollar
entity,
that's
our
balance
sheet,
and
so
we're
gonna
start
looking
into
those
assets
and
see
where
that
billion
dollars
is
and
is
it
performing,
and
is
it
serving
the
purpose
of
this
board
and
the
citizens
of
Santa
Fe?
This
is
our
first
look
into
it,
Thank
You
mayor.
R
The
primary
rail
yard
partners
are
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
We
are
the
landowner
we
own
the
ground
underneath
all
of
the
rail
yard.
All
50
acres,
our
primary
debt
on
that
is
the
infrastructure
debt,
which
is
the
2010
B
bond
which
we'll
get
to
in
a
minute
the
rail
yard,
parking
garage
and
the
market
station
condos
that
are
the
Santa
Fe
rail.
Your
community
corporation
is
a
501
C,
3
non-profit
and
they
did
a
master
lease
with
the
city.
They
leased
the
50
acres
and
they
collect
the
ground.
R
R
Sorry
about
it
on
the
898
for
the
parts
that
goes
to
the
rail
yard,
Park
Conservancy
and
in
their
agreement
with
the
city
there
to
match
that
eight
hundred
ninety
eight
thousand,
while
I,
have
reviewed
the
rail
yard.
Community
corporations
audited
financial
statements
since
2008
I
have
not
yet
looked
at
the
part.
Conservancies
financial
statements
I
will
be
making
that
request
of
them
shortly.
R
R
R
R
2026,
the
real
or
the
parking
debt.
This
is
not
funded
by
parking.
This
is
funded
by
a
GRT
revenues
and
they're
not
and
parking
is
not
subjected
to
them.
That
service
it
refunded
the
March
28th
2006
bond
from
NMFA
we
issued
13
million
seven
hundred
eight
thousand
2013
outstanding
debt
as
a
June
30th
2018
is
12
million.
Eight
hundred
and
twenty
thousand,
the
last
payment
will
be
June
1st
2013
6
and
the
debt
service
is
nine
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
annually
market
Station.
This
is
for
the
purchase
of
the
condo.
R
We
refinance
that
June
13th.
Last
year
we
were
going
to
use
the
boneyard
the
eight
thousand
square
feet
of
empty
space
for
non
government
purpose.
It
was
at
axle
tax
exempt
bond,
but
because
we
were
gonna
use
more
than
ten
percent
of
the
space
or
non-government
used.
We
had
to
refinance
that
into
a
taxable
issue:
debt,
sir
last
payment
will
be
20.
June
1st
2030
annual
debt
service
is
three
hundred
and
sixty
two
thousand.
R
R
The
other
debt
are
things
that
are
the
market
station
condo
and
the
rail
yard
parking
garage
they're,
not
really
in
the
part
or
the
rail
yard,
enterprise
funds
there
and
from
a
fun
perspective,
rail
yard
is
fun,
5852,
fun,
58,
59
and
each
one
once
for
parks
once
their
operations.
Ones
is
for
the
anyway
there's,
there's
nine
different
ones
and
then
so
in
this
period
of
time,
the
total
subsidy
from
the
city
not
including
I
mean
this
is
in
addition
to
the
116th
GRT
dedicated
to
the
rail
yard,
has
been
21
million.
R
When
I
project
forward
and
I'm,
using
and
again
I
have
my
projections,
pretty
simple,
straightforward
I
projected
forward
or
the
Santa
Fe.
Well,
the
Santa
Fe
Railroad
Commission.
We
have
a
master
lease
through
2030
and
they
have
a
contractual
level
of
lease
payments.
They
need
to
make
to
us.
The
lease
payments
reflected
here
as
ffs
RCC
are
those
contractually
obligated
payments
they
are
to
make
to
us.
R
R
Debt
service
is
the
actual
or
other
debt
is
the
actual
other
debt
service
payments
that
we
have
already
scheduled
and
amortized,
and
therefore
the
expected
subsidy
that
we
would
be
making
again.
In
addition
to
what
the
Santa
Fe
rail
you
are
community
corporation
pays
us
and
the
116th
GRT
will
be
over
the
neck
for
the
next
11
years
will
be
twenty
four
million
five
hundred
eighty
thousand.
R
C
Know
this
is
it's
good
to
start
seeing
real
numbers
on
this.
You
know
when
this
would
be
before
your
election
there
and
ms
mccoy
and
others
as
we
start
to
look
at
the
Midtown
property.
One
of
the
things
I
was
saying,
I
believe
councilman
Dell
was
saying
because
we
were
involved
from
the
very
beginning
is
that
we
cannot
replicate
what
we
did
at
the
rail
yard.
What
was
going
on
at
the
rail
yard?
This
was
out.
This
was
just
kind
of
a
gut
response
to
what
I
felt
was
going
on.
C
A
Mean
tourists
can
we
get,
but
we
also
we
have
to
continue
the
conversation.
We
can't
have
it
again
a
year
from
now,
we've
got
it
actually
I
think
we've
got
to
create
an
urgency
around
this
and
we
need
to
start
tackling
the
tough
questions
and
an
issues
and
a
lot
of
it.
If
we're
gonna
fix
this,
the
decisions
might
not
be
popular,
but
somebody's
gonna
have
to
make
them
at
some
time
or,
and
just
yeah
continue
to
a
till
it's
up
to
twenty
four
million
dollars.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
right.
J
R
It'll
be
actually
more
than
that,
because
you
know
you
look
at
the
GRT
up
in
the
the
first
line
and
there's
11
years
there
and
the
last
few
years
are
closer
to
three
million
and
two
million,
and
so
you
know
if
it's
ten
years,
it's
probably
25,
plus
million
eleven
years.
You
know
it's
going
to
be
yeah.
It's
a
large
number.
A
A
Y
Thank
You
chairman
first
I,
want
to
thank
you
rad
and
for
the
work
of
the
finance
department
in,
and
this
is
just
a
first
chapter
of
a
book.
You're
gonna
continue
to
fill
out
course
chapter
by
chapter
as
we
look
at
the
assets
that
are
under
the
city's
management
and
then
I,
don't
think
this
is
intended
to
cast
any
kind
of
aspersion
x'
on
the
railyard
corporation
or
prior
administrations.
Y
I
think
what
we're
doing
is
what
we've
been
doing
for
the
last
year,
which
is
to
do
self
assessment
and
discover
accurately
where
we
really
are
and
then
analyze
our
choices
going
forward,
and
this
is
as
much
a
truth
as
what
the
mccard
report
was
useful
for
what
the
audit
was
useful,
for
this
is
another
form
of
a
self
audit
and
I
really
appreciate
the
detail
with
which
you've
gone
into
this
and
I
know
you've
shared
it
with
the
leadership
of
the
railyard
corporation.
So
this
is
not
a
aha
gotcha
presentation.
Y
This
is
an
ongoing
to
the
Chairman's
point.
This
is
an
ongoing
conversation.
I
think
it
does
also
raise
the
several
other
points
that
we
ought
to
put
in
into
our
ongoing
agenda.
First
is
to
look
at
all
of
our
other
substantial
assets
and
see
how
they're
performing-
and
you
mentioned
some
of
them-
counselor.
There's
the
the
northwest
quadrant
there's
the
next
phase
of
tier
Ken,
Contenta.
There's
there
we
ought
to
do.
We
started
down
this
road
with
the
convention
center,
but
it's
also
an
asset.
Y
That's
managed
differently
from
some
other
of
the
city's
assets,
plus
all
of
the
property
that
we
own,
that
we're
trying
to
rationalize
and
make
sense
out
of
and
dispose
of,
if
it
doesn't
make
sense.
So
this
is
a
terrific
start.
I
think
it
raises
fiscal
questions.
How
do
we
want
to
use
our
resources?
It's
a?
We
are
all
one
of
the
conversations
that
is
an
ongoing
theme
and
the
budget
hearings
that
has
come
up
consistently
is
to
say
to
our
department
heads
we're
asking
you
to
do
a
lot
of
work,
we're
not
adding
more
resources.
Y
One
of
the
reasons
we're
not
adding
more
resources
is
because
we're
using
our
resources
and
other
things
and
that's
a
choice.
So
we
need
to
look
seriously
at
the
trade-offs
that
we're
making
and
determine
whether
we
like
them,
or
we
want
to
adjust
them
to
the
credit
of
Matt
Brown.
Who
is
not
here
at
this
hearing,
but
will
be
in
the
future.
He
has
opened
a
conversation
with
the
folks
on
the
railyard
corporation,
about
a
new
way
to
think
about
the
development
there
to
see.
If
you
know,
is
it
time
for
railyard
2.0?
Y
Council
Chairman
Abeyta
raises
a
governance
question
which
I
think
is
really
important,
not
only
with
regard
to
this
entity
but
with
others
I've
pointed
out
in
the
past.
The
city
has
a
planning
arm.
Most
cities
also
have
a
development
arm,
Albuquerque
does
or
a
redevelopment
arm.
We
don't
have
that
and
we
ought
to
think
as
we
professionalize
and
and
improve
on
the
performance
of
city
government
as
a
1
billion
dollar
publicly
held
corporation.
Y
If
we
don't
want
at
some
point
to
consider
having
not
only
a
planning
operation
but
also
a
development
or
redevelopment
authority
that
could
take
the
responsibility
to
take
on
projects
rather
than
putting
them
into
the
hands
of
a
body
that
really
we
are
we
don't
we
don't
appoint
anybody
to
the
railyard
corporation
board.
They
are
self
appointing
and
they
are,
they
are
only
responsible.
They
don't
tell
us
what
the
deals
are
that
they're
making
that's
completely
their
business.
Y
It's
not
the
city's
business
according
to
our
relationship
with
them,
and
so
we've
we've
created
a
Chinese
wall
of
sorts
between
the
city
and
this
entity.
That
is
managing
the
rail
yard
on
our
behalf,
but
without
real
participation
and
it's
a
model
that
we've
used
elsewhere
and
it
may
be
a
great
model,
but
it's
also
subject
to
reassessment
going
forward,
so
I
I,
don't
think
this
is
I
think
this
is,
as
you
said,
chairman
the
beginning
of
a
discussion
about
governance,
finances,
vision,
ongoing
urban
planning
and
the
fabric
of
the
city.
Y
As
we
move
forward,
it
is
really
a
good
place
to
put
us
so,
as
you
said,
councillor
Harris,
we
don't
do
with
Midtown
campus,
something
that
is
not
thought
through
ahead
of
time.
We
should
make
our
choices,
not
only
financial
choices,
but
also
our
governance
choices
and
our
urban
planning
choices
in
a
consistent
way
that
reflects
the
priorities
of
this
body.
All
right
again,
I
come
back
where
I
started.
I
think
this
is
a
really
excellent
piece
of
work
as
a
an
assessment
document.
Y
It
it
raises
questions,
it
doesn't
try
to
answer
them,
it's
our
job
to
keep
asking
those
questions
and
then
among
ourselves
to
try
to
develop
the
answers
whether
they
have
the
with
the
economic
development
strategy
that
Matt's
working
on
partnership.
For
the
railyard
corporation
and
application
of
governance
and
structure
inside
city
government
going
forward,
I'm
really
grateful
to
you
for
doing
this.
Y
R
F
R
T
F
Okay
and
I
guess
I'm
curious
when
this
first
started
when
the
railyard
project
came
about
I,
wonder
what
the
numbers
told
told
us
then,
even
though
none
of
us
were
around
because
they
probably
had
a
performer
like
we
see
now
and
tracking
what
it
would
cost
and
what
the
debt
service
would
be
and
where
it
would
hopefully
taper
off
I'm
sure
that
they
didn't
come
up
with
this
number.
So
I'm
wondering
we
have
that
information.
We.
F
Comparing
it
to
what
they
were
projecting
then,
and
it's
not
insisted,
or
maybe
they
didn't
even
anticipate
the
potential
economic
downturn
that
happened
and
that
you
can
see
in
the
numbers
are
very
clear
where
that
took
place.
So
have
we
ever
looked
at
this
compared
to
what
they
were
projecting
when
it
first
began?
I
have.
F
R
Railyard
corporation
and
again,
like
I,
said,
I
had
done
an
analysis
on
there.
I
have
there
8
or
10
previous
fiscal
years
audited.
Financials
and
you
know
their
main
primary
source
of
revenue
is
the
ground
lease
and
from
that
their
payments
to
the
city
are
roughly
about
60%
of
the
total
ground
lease.
R
They
don't
really
see
the
city
side.
They
don't
see
the
parking
garage
debt
service,
they
don't
see
the
market
station
condo
debt
service,
they
don't
see
what
we're
using
the
ERT
increment
for
all.
They
really
see
is
the
ground
lease
revenue
and
that
generates
their
budget
and
they
spend
what
they
do
out
of
the
ground
lease
revenue
and
give
us
about
60%
of
what
right.
F
F
E
U
R
U
R
U
R
Kind
of
a
there's
been
a
number
of
amendments
to
the
master
lease
specifically
starting
around
the
Great
Recession
in
2008.
At
that
point,
in
time,
the
railyard
community
community
corporation
came
to
the
city
as
I
understand
it
came
to
the
governing
body
said
we
can't
make
these
lease
payments,
and
so
for
the
next
five
years
the
city
allowed
them
to
defer
$400,000
of
contractual
lease
payment,
and
so
they
have
a
growing
deferred
liability
to
the
city
and
we
have
a
growing
deferred
revenue
from
them.
R
They
expect
to
pay
that
deferred.
Liability
right
now
is
about
4.2
million
to
pay
us
back
in
and
I
have
to
read
the
master
lease
more
carefully
because
in
their
program
their
schedule
of
lease
payments,
their
lease
payments
stopped
when
the
2010
bond
is
paid
off
in
2026
and
so
what
they
were.
Gonna
use
the
lease
payments
for
in
2027
2028,
twenty
twenty
nine.
Twenty
thirty
was
to
pay
back,
that
deferred
liability
to
the
city,
and
so
there's
been
a
number
of
amendments
to
that.
U
R
U
R
U
U
T
U
T
Y
Okay,
mayor
go
ahead,
I
just
I
think
it's
as
we
think
about
our
options
going
forward
and
I
think
that's
what
this
conversation
is
designed
to
prepare
us
for
it's
it's
worthwhile
to
remember
that.
As
you
pointed
out
in
passing
in
the
history
of
our
relationship
with
the
railyard
corporation,
there
have
been
a
number
of
amendments
that
have
been
negotiated
and
and
agreed
to
between
the
two
parties.
Y
So
it's
not
as
if
everything
that
was
agreed
to
initially
go
back
to
what
councilor
Villarreal
was
asking
about
in
terms
of
the
fiscal
projections
from
the
beginning,
those
are
not
set
in
concrete.
We
have
the
opt
just
as
the
unanticipated
recession
of
oh
seven
and
oh
eight
had
to
change
the
relationship
between
the
city
and
the
railyard
corporation
now
going
forward.
We
can
look
at
this
data.
We
can
look
at
land
use
options
and
talk
about
amendments
to
both
the
plan
potentially,
but
also
the
relationship
with
the
railyard.
Y
R
The
rail
yard
community
corporations
lease
payments
to
the
city
from
the
period
2010
to
2018
is
understated
by
about
800,000
because
they
met
parcel,
G
rail
yard
or
the
market
station
conned
and
the
depo
ground
lease.
So
the
city
owns
lamb
or
has
facilities
in
the
rail
yard
that
we're
supposed
to
pay
ground
lease
revenues
or
ground
lease
to
the
Santa
Fe
rail,
your
community
Corp.
We
don't
make
those
payments,
while
the
number
itself
is
fine
because
we're
not
recording
the
expense
of
the
ground
lease.
Nor
are
we
recording
the
revenue.
F
R
A
E
A
E
Been
waiting-
and
that's
what's
interesting
to
me-
is
that
I
didn't
see
you
pull
out
anything
and
there's
a
couple
line
items
with
regard
to
solar,
but
got
a
whole
lot
about
sustainability
and
I.
There
must
be
sustainability
investments
in
these
numbers,
but
it's
not
obvious
other
than
the
couple
of
solar
line
items
and
so
I
don't
know.
I.
E
T
You
for
the
question
chairman
councilor.
Yes,
it's
a
it's
an
underlying
theme
of
everything
we
do
it
at
public
works.
Certainly
our
buses
run
all
on
CNG.
We
have
entered
the
first
ever
energy
services
contract
for
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
that
five
million
dollar
with
a
Marissa
and
morasco,
which
will
replace
a
bunch
of
the
equipment
to
be
much
more
energy
efficient.