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A
B
A
You
are
live,
thank
you
alex
at
503,
I'm
calling
to
order
the
august
15th
meeting
of
the
finance
committee
and
if
we
could
get
a
roll
call,
please.
B
A
C
A
E
A
A
Okay,
any
changes
from
the
committee
on
minutes
is
there
a
motion
on
minutes
august.
First
second
motion
is
second
to
prove
approve
the
august
first
minutes
of
the
finance
committee,
all
those
in
favor
aye.
Anybody
opposed
that
motion
passes
all
right
back
to
approval
of
the
consent
agenda.
Are
there
items
the
committee
would
like
to
hear
councillor
cassette.
A
A
and
b
council
rivera
nothing
all
right.
Can
we
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
as
amended?
Second,
the
motion
a
second
to
approve
the
consent
agenda,
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
aye.
Anybody
opposed
that
motion
passes
presentations.
A
We
have,
I
think,
although
I
don't
see
him.
Oh
there,
you
are
you're
in
the
official
chair,
sorry
ricky
bahrano,
our
interim
assistant
finance
director
with
the
fy
21
audit
update,
welcome
mr
pejarano.
C
Uploaded
and
approved
by
the
office
of
the
state
auditor.
We
can
move
forward
with
that
as
soon
as
we
bring
it
before
a
committee,
because
it
is
over
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
fy22,
we
received
permission
from
the
state
auditor
to
do
the
audits.
D
C
Simultaneously
as
possible
and
so
we'll
be
bringing
both
before
the
committee
once
they're
approved
by
the
state
auditor
they'll
come
to
finance,
and
then
I
believe
that
the
second
committee
will
be
before
both
committees
and
then
before
governing
body.
A
All
right.
We
are
on
to
the
city
of
santa
fe
benefits,
fy
2020,
start
again
on
to
the
city
of
santa
fe
benefits,
fy
22,
end
of
year
presentation.
We
have
with
us
todd
berkley
from
aeon,
bernadette
salazar,
our
hr
director
and
anybody
else.
A
Just
the
two
of
you
all
right
got
a
third
name
here
and
with
that
welcome
mr
berkley.
A
You
kind
of
have
to
talk
into
it.
Sorry
someday
we'll
get
one
that
rises
up
and
down
with
the
height
of
the
people.
Speaking.
C
Okay,
thank
you
just
wanted
to
give
a
quick
update
on
the
status
of
the
benefit
program.
Mainly
medical
and
dental
for
the
year
ended
6
30
of
2022.
If
you
have
the
exhibit
in
front
of
you,
there
was
about
18.7
million
dollars
in
funding
that
includes
both
the
city
share
in
the
employee
contributions.
D
C
C
The
next
page
shows
dental
dental
is
sufficiently
funded,
so
there
was
no
need
to
change
the
funding
of
that
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
and
I
want
to
point
out
on
the
final
page,
that
high
cost
claimants,
which
are
typically
the
driver
of
the
city
of
santa
fe's
surplus
or
deficit
at
year,
end
where
this
was
a
better
than
average
year
about
2.1
million
and
claims
over
125
thousand
422
000
in
stop-loss
reimbursements.
C
Those
are
refurbishments
for
any
claimants
who
exceeded
250
000.
If
you
look
at
the
two
prior
years,
it
was
either
one
or
two
million
dollars
higher.
So
despite
a
relatively
good
claim
year
in
terms
of
high
cost
claimants,
there
were
still
a
million
dollars
shortfall
with
that.
I
am
open
to
any
questions.
F
C
Madam
chair
councillor,
rivera
are
you
referring
to
the
first
page.
F
F
F
C
The
first
page
row
one
it
is
going
down
a
little
bit,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
exactly
apples
to
apples
with
the
number
of
vacancies
that
we
have.
But
we
can
look
at
that
if
we
trend
it
out
years
back,
it's
going
to
look
significantly
different.
A
A
F
Mr
meeting
with
the
benefit
committee,
is
that
continuing
to
happen,
or
is
there
scheduled
meetings
moving
forward.
C
Yes,
madam
chair
council
rivera,
they
are
scheduled
on
a
quarterly
basis,
compliant
with
the
resolution
that
establishes
the
committee
and
I
can
get
I
I
did
send
out
the
schedules
so
that
the
counselors
know
when
those
meetings
are
taking
place.
But
if
you
did
not
receive
it,
I
can
make
sure
to
resend
it.
I.
F
Haven't
checked
so
if
you
send
it
I'll,
take
a
look
at
him,
but
thank
you
very
much
appreciate
that
no
problem,
one.
A
Okay,
we're
on
to
our
consent
agenda,
we'll
start
with
item
a
request
for
approval
of
a
sole
source
general
service
contract
with
parkinson
corporation
to
purchase
and
install
the
aqua
guard,
screen,
filter
and
aqua,
wash
press
for
the
headworks
facility
for
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
facility
in
the
total
amount
of
274
699,
excluding
new
mexico
gross
receipts
tax,
and
we
have
mr
herbrandt,
oh
no,
we
don't.
A
We
have
somebody
new
if
you
could
introduce
yourself
and
sorry.
The
mic
is
so
low
for
people
who
are
tall
appreciate
that
sorry
about
that.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
here
today.
Just
a
quick
question
on
this.
Is
this:
the
only
company
that
does
provide
this
piece
of
apparatus.
C
Madam
chair
of
counselor
dell,
yes,
it
is
a
sole
source
that
is
the
only
company
that
we
can
buy
this
type
of
equipment
from.
B
C
C
So
madam
chair
comes
with
for
this
piece
of
equipment.
Here.
This
is
just
for
the
equipment
itself.
This
is
not
for
anything
as
far
as
installation
for
the
equipment
the
equipment
later
on
would
have
to
be
probably
subcontracted
because
of
the
equipment.
The
company
that
supplies
this
company
is
not
from
way
out
of
state,
and
they
don't
do
anything
as
far
as
installation
and
demolition
of
the
work.
B
It
does
say
in
our
caption
that
it's
purchase
and
install,
so
I
I
suppose
I
could
get
to
the
contract
on
this.
So
is
the
caption
incorrect.
C
Correct,
yes,
I
apologize
for
that.
That
was
something
that
was
brought
up
later
on
when
the
bid
out
for
the
piece
of
equipment.
A
lot
of
it
was
included
in
the
packet
as
far
as
installation
drawings
for
the
piece
of
equipment.
So
it's
not
including
the
installation,
but
they
are
showing
at
that
different
types
of
specs
and
what
it
would
take
to
install
it.
I
apologize
for
that.
A
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
prove
item
7a,
all
those
in
favor.
I
anybody
opposed
that
captioning
not
available.
A
B
B
With
this,
it's
four
additional
six
month,
extensions
at
the
city,
soul,
discretion,
and
it
also.
H
Thank
you.
Excuse
me.
Thank
you,
councillor,
lindell
members
of
the
committee.
The
terms
in
in
terms
of
there
being
four
extensions
have
not
changed.
The
difference
with
this
amendment
is.
H
We
are
allowing
garson
studios
to
request
all
of
them
at
once
if
desired,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
that
claudio
is
in
the
process
of
initial
talks
and
negotiations
with
several
productions,
and
it
was
thought
that
it
might
be
advantageous
to
be
able
to
request
all
of
them
at
once
in
order
to
secure
a
longer
term
production
and
or
multiple
productions,
as
it
is
now,
the
extensions
are
co-determinant
with
whatever
license
agreement.
H
He
has
in
place
right
now,
so
in
other
words,
if
the
license
he
has
going
right
now
would
end
within
that
first
six
month,
holdover
extension,
he
would
need
to
come
back
and
re,
and
then
he
wanted
to
extend
that
either
for
them
or
another
production.
He'd
need
to
come
back
and
request
the
second
one,
and
so
what
this
allows
him
to
do
is
to
request
all
four
at
once
in
order
to
secure
a
larger
longer
term
production.
B
Well,
what,
if
a
year
and
a
half
from
now.
H
We
would
be
if
counselor
we
would
be
if
claudio
and
garson
studios
does
in
fact
negotiate
such
a
film
license.
H
Our
legal
team
worked
with
terry
lease
and
asset
management
and
determined
that
a
full
extension,
which
would
be
through
august
26
of
next
year,
still
fits
in
with
our
rfp
schedule
and
so
forth
for
garson
studios.
So
it
was
determined
that
we
could
go
ahead
and
allow
that
sort
of
thing
and
it
wouldn't
tie
our
hands
in
a
way
that
would
complicate
future
development
at
midtown
or
response
to
the
garzen
studio.
Rfp.
H
B
The
name
of
claudio's
company
is
carson,
communicate,
garson,
film,
carson
production,
yes,
that
seems
advantageous
to
them
for
sure.
Did
we
put
any
kind
of
an
increase
on
our
rate
on
this
lease.
H
H
Counselor,
that's
a
fair
question
that
honestly,
I
would
have
trouble
answering.
I
was
given
this
lease
to
get
through
the
committee
process
to
get
through
finance
approval
and
the
committee
process
after
it
had
already
been
negotiated.
So
I
was
not
privy
to
discussions
in-house
and
with
legal
and
so
forth
as
to
whether
their
lease
rate
ought
to
be
raised.
B
I
appreciate
that
answer
lee
that
you
weren't
involved
in
this.
B
On
this
lease-
and
I
didn't
read
every
page
of
it,
do
we
have
any?
We
I'm
sure
we
have
a
base
rent.
Do
we
have
after
a
certain
amount
of
rent?
Do
we
get
any
kind
of
a
percentage
rent
on
this
lease.
H
H
H
B
I
I
think
that
that's
probably
a
good
idea,
so
that
we
can
have
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
this
and
also.
B
H
H
B
H
Counselor,
I
don't
know
that
I've
got
an
answer
that
would
be
satisfying
to
that,
but
I
can
say
that
film
operations
out
there
on
the
campus,
while
we've
been
successful
in
leasing
out
the
space
and
securing
film
licenses
out
there,
it
is
not
without
its
own
complications
having
to
do
with
insurance
and
fire
suppression.
H
B
B
All
right,
we
could
have
the
answers
to
those
questions
you
could
get
those
to
us
and,
if
need
be,
they
can
be
discussed
at
the
governing
body.
H
B
B
Just
talking
about
what
our
base
rent
is
and
if
we
have
any
provision
in
there
that
that
changes
when
the
property
is
not
actually
being
subleased.
A
H
The
one
the
one
in
question
per
terry
on
my
phone
here
was
2019.
They,
I
think,
that's
somewhat
the
discretion
of
the
city
and
the
entities
involved
in
the
agreement.
H
For
instance
on
another
lease
amendment
that
I
have
on
consent
agenda.
They
used
a
2017
appraisal,
that's
for
santa
recovery
center
and
they
it
was
decided
that
it
was
fair
enough
to
just
adjust
that
for
inflation.
So
I
can
tell
you
that
asset
management
has
been
comfortable
in
using
appraisals
that
are
several
years
old.
H
If
you
know,
if
we,
we
all
know
that
ultimately
there's
an
rfp
out
for
the
studios
in
the
film
film
process
at
midtown
and
so
there's
a
definite
call.
It
end
of
life
for
the
way
we're
operating
right
now
in
terms
of
film
on
the
campus-
and
I
would
say
I'm
guessing
here-
that
it
was
decided
that
an
older
appraisal
was
okay,
it
wasn't
necessarily
to
order
up
a
new
one.
Given
the
fact
that
you
know
this
has
a
definite
life
span.
F
Just
some
quick
things,
not
questions,
but
the
memo
on
the
front
page
doesn't
have
director
brown
signature
in
it.
So
I
assume
he's
on
board,
but.
F
H
On
board,
this
was
the
first
lease
agreement
I
had
taken
through
the
new
finance
process,
and
so
it
was
a
learning
process
for
me,
my
I
sent
it
out
without
his
signature
thinking.
His
was
one
of
the
last
ones
to
go
on
it
and
apparently
it
didn't.
We
will
make
sure
that
that
is
properly
handled
next
time.
H
It's
you
know.
Another
process.
I've
needed
to
learn
here
is
to
get
these
agreements
through
the
approval
process.
I
do
also,
if
I
can,
right
now
to
counselor
romero
worst
question.
I
do
have
from
terry
that
appraisals
are
typically
good
for
one
year.
F
F
Age,
two
of
the
actual
agreement-
I
guess.
H
You
are
correct,
counselor
rivera,
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out
this
thing.
This
lease
amendment
was
handed
off
to
me.
I
needed
to
learn
the
process.
I
will
take
some
fault
definitely
in
this
kind
of
going
through
somewhat
at
the
last
minute,
to
try
and
keep
it
on
committee
schedule.
I
can
tell
you
that
finance
did
sign
off
on
it.
H
I
could
produce
emails
and
so
forth.
I
think
we
had
a
little
snafu
with
the
version
of
the
packet
that
was
sent
back
to
us
versus
what
was
uploaded
into
primegov.
So
that's
certainly
an
error
that
I
and
we
in
our
process
need
to
tighten
up
on,
but
I
can
absolutely
assure
you
that
finance
did
approve
it.
F
B
Thank
you
linda.
If
you
could,
why
don't
you
try
to
send
out
to
us
what
are
a
little
balance
sheet
of
how
this
works,
because
the
city
is
responsible
for
a
lot
of
the
costs
that
happen
on
that
property?
So,
let's
take
a
look
at
what
our
rent
is
as
opposed
to
maybe
for
one
year,
maybe
for
last
year
what
we
paid
out
in
our
obligations
of
expenses
for
the
property.
B
F
The
appraisal
being
only
good
for
one
year,
doesn't
sound
right.
I
mean
that
we
would
have
to
go.
That's
pretty.
F
Yes,
councilman,
mr
larson,
is
there
any
I'm
constrained
to
this
or
we
we
need
to
get
this
done
by
the
next
council
meeting.
H
It
would
be
ideal
to
do
it
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
certainly
you
guys
have
all
raised
valid
questions
if
you're
more
comfortable,
you
know
having
this
delayed
and
come
back
to
finance
committee.
We
can
do
that
if
these
are
answers
that
we
can
provide
to
the
governing
body
or
the
subsequent
committee
meetings
and
keep
things
moving.
That
would
be
great,
but
I
totally
defer
to
what
the
committee
feels
on
this
can.
F
H
Yes,
sir,
again
and
I'll
also
say
that
the
the
extensions,
so
if
you
look
at
the
dates
on
the
lease
the
lease
without
the
holdover
extensions
terminates
actually
on
the
26th
of
this
month.
But
the
way
elise
reads
is
that
when
garson
has
a
license
that
runs
over,
you
know
that
first
extension,
then
it
it
just
continues
on.
H
Yeah
absolutely
counselor
and
committee.
I
appreciate
your
flexibility
on
this.
I
will
compile
all
the
questions
that
have
been
raised
tonight
and
I
will
just
make
that
part
of
my
presentation
at
quality
of
life
and
make
sure
we
address
all
those
and
then
I'll
also
have
mr
lease
here
with
me
for
backup.
B
I'm
not
on
that
committee.
So
would
you
be
sure
that
we
do
send
out
that
balance
sheet.
F
A
E
Madam
chair,
can
I
make
a
recommendation
to
make
a
slight
change
for
agenda
right
now
sure
I'm
still
waiting
for
an
amendment
to
come
forward
for
item
h,
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
move
to
item
I
next
and
then
come
back
to
item
eight.
We
have.
A
So
we'll
check
in
with
you,
after
item
d,
okay,
so
moving
on
to
item
d,
request
for
approval,
amendment
number
three
to
item
19-503
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
granicus
llc,
previously
host
compliance,
llc
for
short-term
rental
monitoring
and
compliance
services.
Jason
senna
is
here:
he
is
our
code,
compliant
supervisor
inspections
and
enforcement,
division
of
land
use
department
and
welcome
mr
senna
and
councilwoman
villarreal.
You
pulled
this
item.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
good,
to
see
you,
mr
senna,
in
person
you're
usually
running
around
all
over
the
city.
So
thanks
for
being
here,
I
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
how
host
compliance
is
what
the
original
name
was
now
granicus
is
going
for
all
of
you
and
how
it's
integrating
into
with
staff,
and
maybe
you
could
actually,
if
you
have
any
information
about,
if
we
have
it
additional
staff,
now
reporting
short-term
rentals
and.
C
For
one
position
to
be
filled
in
compliance,
detrimentals
and
zoning,
we
should
be
police
down
and.
D
C
D
How
is
it
I'm
assuming
it's
working
well
because
we're
we're
doing
a
we're,
making
an
amendment
to
continue
working
with
this
organization
or
with
this
company.
So
you
could
tell
us
about
why,
if
you
could
tell
us
why
the
contract
went
up
about
68,
000
or
so,
and
if
they're
doing
anything
different,
it's.
C
Pretty
much
the
same
system
that
we'd
be
using.
I
do
not
know
why
it
went
up
when
they
when
we
first
started
using
host
compliance.
I
think
this
was
back
in
2018.,
so
I'm
not
too
sure
it
was
approved
and
I'm
not
too
sure
why
the
price
right
it
got
higher.
But
it
is
a
good
system,
I
believe,
or
a
tool
that
short-term
rentals
can
use
to
utilize.
It
helps
us
send
out
a
notice
of
violation
or
reminders
for
for
renewals
that
type
of
stuff.
C
It
helps
us
pinpoint
it
scrapes
the
websites
like
airbnb
and
ribo,
and
it
gives
us
illegal,
short-term,
rentals,
it'll,
pick
them
out
and
show
us
that
which
ones
aren't
permitted
and
not
that
type
of
information.
So
it's
a
good
tool
to
utilize.
D
If
you
could
just
let
me
know
if
they
were
doing
anything
different
or
why
it
went
up
a
little
bit
or
if
there
was
some
other
component,
they
added
to
it
or
whatever,
or
maybe
just
inflation.
I
don't
know
it
would
just
be
good
to
know
about
that
and
then
yeah
just.
I
was
curious
how
it
was
going,
and
if,
with
this
system,
you
were
noticing
more
people
in
compliance
or.
C
We
are,
we
are
noticing
more
people
in
compliance.
You
know
with
the
with
the
new
ordinance
that
came
into
effect
last
year,.
G
C
A
few
complaints
from
the
public
about
the
cap
and
all
that
type
of
stuff,
but
you
know
we
still
have
the
people
that
are
out
of
compliance,
that
we
are,
I
mean,
hopefully
the
public.
They
either
call
and
let
us
know
or
we
look
on
host
compliance
or
we
are
in
contact
with
airbnb,
and
you
know,
try
to
figure
all
this
out
with
the
non-compliant
people.
D
D
It
okay,
great
that's
all!
I
have
made
I'm
terrible.
A
You
mentioned
the
cap
we
haven't
reached
the
cap.
Have
we.
A
A
C
A
Okay,
counselor
cassette,
are
you
good
or
not
good,.
A
There,
a
second
motion
is
second
to
go
to
item
I
and
come
back
to
h
all
those
in
favor.
I
anybody
opposed
all
right
we're
on
to
I
so
consideration
of
resolution
number
20
22,
sponsored
by
councillor
romero,
worth
councillor
cassette
a
resolution
adopting
new
procedural
rules
for
city
council,
standing
committees,
jesse
gean,
our
legislative
and
policy
innovation
manager
is
here,
hamper
you're
getting
your
amendment,
but
maybe
maybe
maybe
we
won't
be
too
hard
on
him.
Counselor
cassette,
you
pulled
this
item.
Yes,
we
have
a
couple.
We.
E
Have
a
couple
amendments
to
move,
we
sure
do
so.
I
will
go
ahead
with
moving
these
amendments.
The
first
one.
It
just
lays
out
what
can.
A
A
E
Now,
that's
it's
on
page
four,
oh
yeah.
They
both
start
that
way,
though,
unfortunately,
this
one
is
the
one
that
has
less
language.
So
it's
going
to
be
looking
at
on
page
four,
the
proposed
rules,
section
three
b1
strike
sub
paragraphs,
a
through
j
in
their
entirety
and
insert
in
lieu
thereof,
and
it's
going
to
show
the
list
are.
It
sounds
like
our
amendments
kind
of
nest
upon
each
other
I'll
see.
Am
I
correct
there?
Okay.
A
And
then
yeah,
that's
the
problem
is
jesse.
We
need
to
think
about
how
we
denote
these
things.
So
it's
basically
it's
the
it's
one.
Two
three
four
five
down
in
your
packet
is
the
first
amendment
and
it
just
to
be
clear:
it
has.
It
has
to
do
with
how
you
organize
an
agenda
and
find
a
counselor
okay,
so
counselor
cassid.
If
you
could
just
speak
to
what
is
being
addressed
here.
Yes,.
E
So
this
is
just
including
all
of
the
items
that
would
be
included
on
a
committee
agenda.
I
believe
there
were
some
items
in
the
original,
the
original
document
that
left
out
some
of
the
items
that
we
typically
have
and
I
apologize.
Let
me
go
ahead
and
pull
that
up
and
I
can
tell
you
precisely
what
was
added.
A
A
E
E
E
E
Similarly,
as
we
do
to
a
governing
body
so
that
we
do
not
have
to
have
a
separate
motion
for
that
and
then
also
we
specified
that
on
the
consent
would
be
items
about
which
the
presiding
officer
does
not
anticipate
discussion,
so
that
there
is
the
option
for
the
chair
to
preemptively
pull
something
onto
discussion,
kind
of
anything,
that's
wrote
would
go
on
to
consent
and
then
could
be
pulled
off
otherwise,
so
it
does
give
that
option
just
more
of
a
heads
up,
so
that
if
there
are
members
of
the
public
who
are
specifically
interested-
and
they
know
that
it's
going
to
be
discussed-
that
there
is
that
option.
E
A
On
the
job
councilwoman
via
rail.
D
E
F2
f2
is
your
your
regular
consent,
so
really
what
you're
looking
for
is
examples
of
g
action
items
discussion
agenda.
So
what
are
things
that
the
presiding
officer
would
put
on
there?
So
we
actually
had
this
at
quality
of
life.
The
other
night
that
san
elizabeth
was
giving
an
update
on
santa
fe
suites,
and
that
was
something
that
I
preemptively
pulled
onto
discussion
as
opposed
to
putting
it
onto
consent.
D
E
What
we
typically
do,
we
put
everything
on
consent
and
then
there's
still
opportunities
to
pull
it's
a
little
bit.
I
think
it's
what's
confusing
about
it
is
that
we
it's
been
stated
in
the
negative
as
opposed
to
in
the
positive,
whereas
if
it
was
in
the
positive
we
might
put,
you
know
action
items,
discussion,
agenda,
items
which
the
presiding
officer
does
anticipate
discussion
that
would
have
otherwise
gone
on
consent,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
that
language
was
utilized.
So
maybe
jesse
can
speak
more
to
that
uploading
amendments.
D
I
Madam
chair
councilwoman
viariel,
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at
the
other
amendment
from
counselor,
cassette
and
counselor
remember
worth
which
language
under
the
discussion
agenda
that
states
two
of
the
two
of
the
determining
factors
would
be
items
about
which
a
presiding
officer
anticipates
discussions,
so
sort
of
the
opposite
of
consent
and
then
items
for
which,
at
the
time
the
agenda
is
published.
A
written
amendment
has
been
included
in
the
packet
that
either
has
not
been
voted
on
during
a
previous
council
committee
or
has
been
voted
against
during
all
previous
council
committees.
E
Item
is,
as
you
mentioned,
if
there's
amendments
that
we
know
that
have
not
been
acted
upon,
so
they
have
not
yet
attached.
This
is
to
give
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
those
amendments
can
be
considered
if
people
would
like
to
consider
them.
E
G
E
That
there
was
an
amendment
that
had
not
been
acted
upon.
We
all
forgot
to
pull
it,
and
then
we
had
to
come
back
and
redo
it.
So
this
is
hoping
to
address
this
issue
and
to
make
sure
that
we,
that,
basically,
that
when
new
amendments
are
added
that
it's
flagged,
especially
since
we
do
have
the
new
procedure
rule
of
things
attaching
just.
A
Just
to
be
clear,
so
when
council
kassad
says
we
had
to
come
back,
we
passed
the
bill
through
the
governing
body
and
then
realized.
This
was
the
place
for
the
alcohol
license
for
zozobra
and
the
amendment
changing
the
location
was
not
adopted
because
nobody
pulled
it.
So
we
had
to
come
back
in
a
special
governing
body
meeting.
It
was
that
important
to
get
that
right,
and
so
this,
I
think,
creates
a
safety
net
so
that
we
don't
have
that
situation.
E
And
to
be
clear,
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
is
that
if
an
amendment
is
added
to
the
packet
for
a
legislative
item
after
the
publication
of
the
agenda,
so
today's
a
great
example,
the
council
committee
shall
remove
that
item
from
the
consent
agenda
and
place
it
on
discussion
during
approval
of
the
agenda
approval
of
the
consent
agenda
jesse.
That
would
be
approval
of
the
consent
agenda,
correct
you
have
it
under
approval
of
the
agenda.
I
just
got
that
sorry.
E
A
F
F
E
F
E
No,
it's
just
clarify
trying
to
make
that
clarification
of
when
we
are
prepping
the
agendas.
What
goes
on
to
consent?
What
goes
on
to
discussion?
So
that's
you
know
as
we.
If
we
have
a
pile
of
items,
the
default
tends
to
be
consent,
and
so
it
I
think
it
does
get
a
little
bit
confusing
with
the
language,
because
it
is
stated
in
that
negative
and
I
I
guess
the
question
now
becomes.
E
Yeah,
so
it
might
be
that
we
want
to
amend
the
first
amendment
to
strike
well,
okay,
I
think
this
is
a
problem.
I'm
sorry.
We
had
this
conversation
like
a
month
ago,
so
it's
retriggering.
Now
I
think
what
we
were
trying
to
do
is
list
the
items
that
would
go
on
to
consent
and
the
purpose
of
doing
that
was
to
list
the
fact
that
approval
of
the
minutes
is
now
going
on
to
consent.
E
So
then
we
had
to
list
what
else
is
going
on
to
consent,
because
we
don't
want
it
to
look
like
in
the
rules
of
the
only
thing
that
goes
on
to
consent
is
just
approval
of
the
minutes.
So
we
did
have
to
put
on
this
item
this,
this
other
component
of
certain
items,
and
it
is
items
about
which
the
presiding
officer
does
not
anticipate
discussion.
So.
A
D
E
Basically,
everything
like
if
you
look
at
our
current
agenda,
all
of
these
items
were
items
that
not
neces
that
didn't
anticipate
discussion
so
that
I
can't
speak
for
you,
but
but
I'll
take
a
look
at
quality
of
life
that,
as
I'm
looking
at
that
there
was
nothing
that
that
necessarily
popped
up,
and
I
said
we're
definitely
going
to
be
discussing
this.
I'm
preemptively
pulling
it.
A
It
would
be
like,
like
the
plaza
bill,
we're
going
to
do
next
right
under
this.
You
would
absolutely
put
it
under
discussion
because
you
know
there's
going
to
be
discussion
and
then
this
one
too
procedure,
and
then
this
one
too
yeah.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
E
Motion
so
I
would
like
to
move
to
approve
the
first
romero
worth
casa
amendment.
A
A
I
Madam
chair
counselors,
if
you
look
at
the
very
bottom,
there's
the
legislative
number
and
then
look.
I
A
E
A
A
E
A
Sorry,
oh
sorry,
sorry,
sorry,
there
we
go
further
discussion
or
emotions
so
hold
on
a
minute.
D
One
you
want
to
talk
about
right,
correct,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
nothing
has
changed
since
I
had
proposed
this.
I
was
just
trying
to
think
of,
if
someone's
not
on
a
committee,
and
they
want
to
they're
they're,
not
on
committee
but
they're,
the
sponsor
of
that
legislation
that
they
would
be
able
to
speak
first
for
an
item
after
a
committee.
D
Member
makes
a
motion
that
seconded,
so
it
was
clarifying
what
was
stated
before,
which
is
on
page
five
right
that
the
presiding
officer
generally
recognizes
committee
members
in
the
order
in
which
they
request
the
floor.
The
item
on
the
agenda
is
legit.
Okay.
If
the
item
on
the
agenda
is
legislation,
the
presiding
officer
shall
allow
the
sponsor
of
the
legislator
of
the
legislation
to
the
opportunity
to
make
a
motion
and
speak
first
on
the
item.
E
D
A
E
Only
I
think,
the
only
piece
that
I
don't
think
your
amendment
gets
to
it,
because
if
they-
because
we
don't
have
the
requirement
of
a
motion
and
a
second
on
the
floor,
to
start
discussion
during
the
committee
process,
so
there
could
be
a
whole
host
of
discussion.
That's
happening
and
then
emotion
is
on
the
floor.
And
then
the
sponsor
would
get
the
opportunity.
So
the
way
that
the
amendment
is
written
doesn't
quite
capture.
I
think
what
you're
trying
to
do,
which
is
to.
I
Jesse,
madam
chair
counselors,
I
did
speak
with
aaron
about
this
and
then
it's.
I
know
we
have
this
discussion
about
having
a
motion
on
the
floor
and
it
is
in
robert's
rules
to
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
first
before
there's
discussion.
So
I
think
this
works,
because
standard
procedure
would
be
to
have
a
motion
on
the
floor
before
even
the
sponsor.
If
they're,
not
a
member
talks
about
it,.
E
Think
we
did
have
a
discussion
about
this,
or
maybe
you
and
I
just
had
a
discussion.
Sometimes
I
get
confused
where
the
discussions
happen
about,
and
you
and
I
had
a
discussion
about
this
councilwoman
vitariel
and
I
for
those
who
are
listening
and
can't
see
where
I'm
pointing
that
one
of
the
challenges
of
doing
it
at
committee
is
that
kind
of
this
idea.
E
That
of
how
do
we
make
the
committees
a
little
bit
more
discussion
based
and
that
there
are
these
times
where
we
are
where,
after
discussion,
we
decide
to
postpone
legislation
either
indefinitely
or
until
a
date
certain
and
so
allowing
for
that
flexibility
and
that
it
has
been
been
the
common
practice
at
the
committee
level
to
not
have
the
motion
and
and
the
second
on
the
floor,
because
we
are
kind
of
you.
I
A
Just
because
there's
a
motion
on
the
forum,
we
were
talking
about
this
just
before
the
meeting,
so
I
I
hear
you
so
that
so
the
idea
is
maybe
at
the
beginning
of
the
this
is
the
first
time
we've
heard
the
bill.
A
Maybe
we
have
a
kind
of
an
idea
which
direction
we're
going
to
go,
but
based
on
the
conversation
we
as
a
group,
sometimes
kind
of
coalesce
around
a
particular
direction,
we're
going
to
go
either
to
approve
it
or
postpone
it
or
deny
it,
and
that
we
might
not
know
that
right
out
of
the
gate.
But
that's
so
that's
even
still.
Okay,
because
even
if
there
had
been
a
motion
say
to
approve,
we
would
either
withdraw
that
motion
or
we
would
vote
it
down
and
then
have
a
new
motion.
G
A
A
D
D
I
I
guess
just
after
this
conversation,
I
know
it
says
in
robert's
rules,
but
the
way
it
seems
to
flow
better
is
that
you
get
to
actually
talk
about
legislation
so
that
people
can
then
decide
what
steps
we
may
not
all
be
in
agreement.
But
what
steps
would
be
taken
next,
instead
of
setting
a
precedent
at
the
beginning,
where
you're
making
a
motion
and
no
one
has
even
heard
about
the
bill
yet
or
the
legislation.
A
I
And
state
laws
right,
then
you
get
down
to
custom,
which
is.
D
I'd
like
to
remove
this
amendment
until
I
can
figure
out,
what's
the
best
way
to
address
the
actual
issue,
which
is
not
so
much
allowing
for
someone
to
speak
about
their
legislation.
We
do
that
all
the
time,
but
when
it
makes
sense
to
make
a
motion
in
second
on
an
item
we
haven't
heard
and
if
we
really
need
to
do
that
because
right
now
it
says
that
in
robert's
rules.
But
if
this
takes
precedent,
if
we
can
change
it
in
our
committee
rulings,
I
think
it
makes
more
sense.
So
I'd
like
to
remove
it.
Okay,.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chad.
This
was
basic.
Well,
we've
been
talking
about
this
and
I
think
it
came
up
even
more
strongly
for
me
when
we
had
a
situation
where
I
was
waiting
to
hear
back
from
staff
and
what
this
amendment
does.
If
I
can
find
it.
D
And
it
instead
of
requiring
us
to
notify
the
staff,
leads
in
a
chair
no
later
than
four
hours
prior
to
the
commencement
of
the
committee
council
committee
meeting
to
pull
an
item
or
remove
an
item
from
consent.
It
it
changed
it
to
two
and
the
reason
why
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
a
middle
ground
is
because
well
for
two
reasons.
D
One
is
because
we
don't
always
hear
back
from
staff
immediately
when
we're
needing
some
clarification
on
a
an
item,
and
that
would
be
as
at
least
for
me
there's
times
that
I
don't
hear
back
and
so
for
hours
doesn't
give
us
that
leeway
to
hear
back
from
staff
who's
busy.
The
other
thing
is
some
of
us
that
work.
D
Another
job
don't
have
the
morning
to
figure
out
and
get
those
questions
answered
on
monday
morning
meetings,
and
so
I
was
trying
to
find
a
balance
between
four
hours,
which
would
mean
that
we'd
have
to
let
you
all
know
by
one
versus
being
able
to
let
you
know
by
at
least
three
if
we're
going,
gonna
pull
an
item
from
consent.
So
I
guess
I
was
wanting
to
hear
from
staff.
D
Although
you
all
are,
you
know,
there's
certain
folks
that
are
responsive.
Sometimes
we
don't
hear
from
staff
right
away
because
you're
busy
and
it's
on
a
monday
and
I'm
just
giving
in
a
monday
example.
It's
happened
in
other
committee
meetings,
but
so
I
guess
I
just
want
to
see
if
we
can
consider
two
hours.
I
know
we
do
four
for
for
governing
body,
but
in
that
case
I
feel,
like
we've
already
heard,
a
lot
of
items
anyway
and
four
hours
is
a
sufficient
amount
of
time
to
be
able
to.
D
A
I
just
I
I
guess
my
question
is,
for
I
mean
I
don't
know
who
speaks
for
staff
and
I,
but
I
feel
for
you,
because
if
you
it's
hard
to
plan
your
evening,
if
you
don't
know
whether
you're
going
to
be
spending
the
evening
with
us
and
sorry
melissa,
you
must
be
like.
A
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
I
I
mean
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
also
you
have
you
I
mean
you
do
have
introduction
of
the
bill.
You
do
have
the
public
hearing
on
the
bill.
A
Like
I
mean,
obviously,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
that
comes
at
us
and
it's
hard
to
you
know
we
don't
always
deal
with
something
until
we
have
to
deal
with
it
because
there's
so
much
to
deal
with.
So
I
I
do
understand
that
point,
but
I
also
kind
of
feel
for
staff
and
being
able
to
plan
an
evening
whether
it's
with
us
or
not
with
us.
So
I
I
don't
know
I'm
a
little
conflicted.
B
B
A
lot
of
times,
if
you
send
a
email
to
staff,
whether
it's
friday,
saturday
or
sunday,
you
hear
back
from
them
right
away
even
on
on
the
weekends.
I
think
that
it's
typical
that
you
hear
back
from
them
in
a
timely
manner.
You
know-
and
if
you
don't
hear
back
from
them,
then
I
guess
it
gets
pulled
and
they'll
be
there
to
answer,
but
I
would
rather
err
on
the
side
of
letting
people
plan
to
get
home
for
dinner
or
knowing
that
they
could.
B
D
I
would
never
expect
staff
to
respond
to
my
email
on
the
weekends.
If
I
have
questions
just
saying
so
I
wouldn't
I
probably
wouldn't
ask
the
question
about
that,
like
if
I
had
a
question
about
the
agenda
and
we
get
the
actual
packet
material
at
the
end
of
the
day
on
friday,
which
is
ipm.
So
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
have
some
balance,
especially
those
that
work,
another
job
or
then
I'll
end
up
pulling
all
of
the
ones
that
I
possibly
have
questions
on
and
then
resolve
it
during
that
afternoon
and
see
if
it
sticks.
A
I
don't
know
councillor
rivera,
were
you.
F
H
D
F
A
D
Yeah
and
I'm
thinking
also
about
not
all
legislation,
we're
talking
about
any
item
contracts,
things
that
we
have
questions
on
yeah.
A
D
A
B
Were
you
done?
Okay?
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
complicated
resolution.
There's
a
lot
of
amendments
here
and
I
think
we've
got
to
find
a
better
way
for
us
to
try
to
go
through
this.
I
mean
whether
each
one
gets
its
own
red
line
or,
however,
we
do
that
this
does
not
work.
For
me,
this
is
impossible
to
go
through
and
keep
track
of
one
amendment
as
opposed
to
another
amendment,
as
opposed
to
another
amendment,
we're
going
to
have
another
item
tonight.
B
It's
just
like
this
and
you
know
I
can't
I
don't
feel
like
I'm
doing
my
best
work
when
we
have
a
list
of
things
that
are
cl
they're
deserving
of
us
having
a
good,
clear,
look
at
them.
B
A
A
A
I
know
it's
been
it's
been
hard
because
you
can't
I'm
getting
used
to
working
with
two
screens
and
when
we
come
here
we
only
have
one
right,
so
I
can't
have
the
bill
up
on
and
when
we're
on
zoom.
I
have
the
bill
up
on
one
and
then
I
got
the
amendment
on
the
other
and
you
can
go
like
this.
But
when
we're
here
and
we've
got
one
screen,
it's
very
difficult,
totally
agree
so
yeah.
So.
D
D
A
Okay,
so
we
we
have
a
motion
already
no.
E
A
F
F
H
A
A
All
right
we're
gonna
go
back
to,
let's
see
what
did
we
just
do?
We
did
h,
we
did
I
we're
going
to
h.
A
Thank
you,
consideration
of
a
bill
number
2022-17,
councilwoman,
vrael
and
counselor
rivera
an
ordinance
amending,
sfcc,
1987,
section
23-5.1
to
add
definitions
for
cultural
event
and
small
commercial
event,
and
amending
sfcc
1987,
section
23-5.2
to
allow
up
to
eight
commercial
permits
for
cultural
events
in
the
plaza,
including
juneteenth
pride,
indigenous
people's
day
and
five
additional
events
selected
by
lottery,
and
we
have
melissa,
mcdonald,
mcdonald's,
so
sorry
parks,
division,
director
and
we
have
jessie
here
on
this
item
and
councilwoman
cassette,
you
pulled
this
item.
E
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
here
we
go.
I'm
gonna
try
to
do
my
best,
so
I
have
an
amendment
that
I
am
proposing
and
I
am
essentially
just
going
to
talk
through
what
this
amendment
does
and
then
jesse
can
talk
through
all
of
the
technicalities.
E
It
would
remove
the
lottery,
so
there
would
only
be
three
small
commercial
events
instead
of
the
lottery
any
other
cultural
event,
so
not
just
any
event
on
the
plaza,
but
any
event
that
meets
the
definition
of
a
cultural
event
would
be
allowed
to
have
one
a
hundred
square
foot
commercial
area
where
they
could
sell
things
so
essentially
a
10
by
10
area,
where
they
would
be
able
to
sell
merchandise,
and
that
is
the
the
gist
of
what
this
amendment
does
in
three:
small:
commercial,
no
lottery
and
the
ability
for
every
other
cultural
event
to
have
one
100
square
foot
area
to
sell
items.
I
I'm
sure
counselors
it
does
and
it
is
still
confusing,
even
though
it's
a
red
line,
so
I
can
explain
if
there
are
questions.
Okay,.
A
E
Tell
me
it
will
be
one
zero,
four,
zero
one
dot,
two
parenthesis
d
and
if
you
are
counting
down
the
row,
it
is
the
only
casa
amendment
in
there.
So
one
two
three
four
and.
A
I
E
Yes,
it's
100
square
feet
and,
however,
that
is
configured
we
could
have
the
discussion
of
making
it
very
strictly
a
10
by
10
space,
but
I
did
want
it
to
allow
some
flexibility
as
there's
other
boots.
That
are,
you
know,
like
all
these
events
can
still
have
numerous
commercial
tables
that
are
not
I'm
sorry,
non-commercial
tables
informational
table
setup,
so
they
still
may
be
filling
the
plaza
with
tables,
and
so
they
may
make
it
a
different
way.
B
In
looking
at
this
at
the
red
line
that
jesse
sent
us,
this
is
the
last
page.
The
pink-
and
you
probably
did
see
this,
but
I'm
just
going
to
point
it
out
that
in
this
amendment
it
does
say
it
doesn't
specify
the
configuration,
but
it
does
say
one
display
to
equal
a
hundred
square
feet.
So,
however,
they
get
there
in
the
configuration
of
the
table.
It
is
one
not
not
ten
different
tables
with
10
square
feet.
It's
one
configuration
one
display.
A
I'm
sorry
other
common
thoughts,
councilwoman
varial.
Thank
you.
D
Madam
chair,
so.
D
The
lottery
was
really
trying
to
allow
for
participation
of
groups
that
aren't
as
they
don't
necessarily
aren't
large
organizations
or
non-profits,
and
they
may
not
be
as
organized
in
terms
of
coming
to
council
meetings
to
say
I.
D
And
be
on
the
list
to
be
a
small
commercial
event
permit.
So
that
was
my
thinking
about
lottery,
and
I
you
know,
I
really
felt
like
staff
could
figure
it
out
and
have
an
opportunity
to
to
to
be
able
to
allow
for
people
to
put
their
event
in
the
hat
and
so
to
speak,
to
be
able
to
have
their
event
and
have
vendors
at
their
event.
D
So
I
I
think,
I'm
I'm
leaning
towards
the
fact
that
this
is
a
good
compromise,
since
we've
been
going
back
and
forth
about
lottery
and
what
that
looks
like-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
staff
understands
this,
since
we
do
have
melissa
here
with
this
amendment
to
to
see
if
you
have
any
questions
about
what
that
would
look
like,
because
essentially
it's
it's
saying
three,
that
we've
named
the
three
events:
cultural
events
that
we
named
and
then
allowing
for.
D
One
point
of
sale:
I
keep
on
no
don't
use
that
term,
okay,
having
a
spot
a
one
one
space
to
allow
for
commercial
activity
and
the
configuration
could
be
whatever
it
is
needed
in
that
space
with
table
setups
whatever.
But
it
does
fulfill
that
space
limitation,
which
is
the
hundred
sorry
say
that
again
hundred
hundred.
D
Love
to
hear
from
melissa
mcdonald
to
see
if
there's
anything
you
have
questions
on,
because
this
is
a
new
this
just
came
today.
We
hadn't
seen
it
so.
G
A
madam
chair
counselors,
I
think
I
understand
what
the
direction
of
this
amendment
is.
It's
really
the
the
pleasure
of
the
committee
what
they
want.
I
think
we
can
accommodate
this
and
make
it
work.
D
Then
the
other
question
I
have
is
there's
some
things
that
have
already
passed
with
my
amendment
that
has
been
carried
into
committees
that
have
passed
into
committees
already
and
there's
pieces
of
it
that
still
there's
two
particular
pieces.
I
think,
are
important
to
try
to
make
sure
that
gets
carried
along
and
I
can
state
them.
But
I
don't
know
if
jesse
do
we
need
to
explain
how
that
works
when
you
amend
something,
that's
already
been
through
the
process
and
then
there's
similarities
of
what
what
councilwoman
cassette
is
proposing.
D
I
Madam
chair
councilman,
via
this,
is
what
took
so
long
to
get
this
amendment
up.
Is
that
aaron
and
I
were
going
back
and
forth
on
the
language.
So
if
you
look
at
counselor
cass
it's
amendment,
it
does,
I
believe,
the
first
number
on
the
amendment
sheet
and
the
third
have
the
language
that
that
mentions
rescind
amendment
number
two
from
amendment
sheet
b
and
returning
the
language
on
page
one
line
fifteen
to
six
instead
of
five.
So
it's
essentially
that's
striking
the
amendments
that
were
approved
at
quality
of
life
on.
I
The
last
meeting,
whichever
that
one
was,
if
that
makes
sense,.
D
I
mean
I
know
your
red
line
shows
that,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
in
my
amendment,
oh
is
that
is
that
amendment
no?
No,
this
is
that
we
help
that
we
have
pride
in
there
and
then
the
other
language
was
that
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
miss.
Is
that
the
vendors,
the
pleasant
vendors
will
not
shall
not
be
charged
additional
fees
to
sell
during
these
events.
So
those
two
remain,
even
though
we
don't
see
it
as
a
amendment
written
that
way,.
A
E
F
E
No,
so
it
should
it
striking.
It
strikes
that,
but
you
have
to
kind
of
double
strike
it
so
we
have
to.
We
have
to
strike
her
amendment
that
took
it
from
six
to
five
and
then
further
down.
We
just
strike
strike
any
reference
to
this.
That
would
have
been
lotteried
to
begin
with,
so
there
will
be
three
established
small
commercial
events
and
then.
F
I
Absolutely
that
I'm
sorry,
I
missed
part
of
that,
madam
chairing
counselors,
but
essentially
what
we're
doing
is
we're
putting
the
language
about
the
lotteries
back
to
the
way
it
is
in
the
original
build.
But
then
her
amendment
strikes
it
all
together.
A
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselor,
so
I
do
have
a
follow-up
question
on
this.
So
we're
not
limiting
the
amount
of
cultural
events
that
any
cultural
event
at
any
time
can
have
a
table.
A
hundred
by
hundred
this
is
a
bit
concerning
to
me
in
that,
depending
on
the
preparation,
that
means
that
we
may
have
to
have
a
staff
go
out
and
at
every
commercial
event,
validate
that
the
setup
is
correct,
so
I
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there.
G
It
could
end
up
costing
us
more
effort
because
of
the
fact
that,
even
though
it's
small,
if
it's
at
every
commercial
event,
then
you
know,
depending
on
the
setup
and
the
requirements,
then
we
may
have
to
have
verification
that
they're
meeting
the
rules
and
regulations
it
could
be.
It
could
be
not
a.
G
Whenever
you
have
a
commercial
table,
they
have
to
be
evaluated
to
make
sure
that
they're
staying
within
the
bounds
of
the
ordinance,
and
that
generally
requires
staff
to
go
out
and
make
sure
that
they're
not
doing
things
that
are
going
against
the
ordinance
and
code.
G
And
so,
if
everything
is
perfect-
and
maybe
we
have
it
really
scripted
very
carefully
in
the
guidelines
and
I'm
not
saying
it
could
be
a
problem,
but
I
could
foresee
several
if
we
had
a
lot
of
cultural
events
that
wanted
selling
things
and
then
we
had
to
check
to
make
sure
that
they
were
meeting
the
code
because
it's
a
little
different
than
just
inspecting
it
from
a
cultural
perspective.
So
it's
just
I'm
not
sure
I
have
to
think
about
it.
G
A
Thanks
councillor
cassette.
E
Kind
of
so,
if
we
have
an
event
that
is
not
commercialized,
but
they
are,
they
still
have
a
number
of
tables
and
booths
and
setups
or
they're
serving
food,
which
sometimes
happens.
I
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
difference
between
one
commercialized
booth
versus
the
option
for
they're
all
ready
to
be
tables
and
information,
and-
and
I
I
know
booth
is
not
the
correct
word,
so
I
will
stop
using
that
information
tables
as
opposed
to
a
commercial
table.
Can
you
explain
that
a
little
bit
more
from
me.
G
Yes,
madam
chair
counselor
in
particular,
food
is
a
very
good
example
because
they
have
different
requirements
for
things
like
food
versus
tabling.
You
have
to
have
you
know,
making
sure
if
they're
preparing
the
food
that
everything's
meeting
the
right
amount.
You
know
that
you're
meeting
the
codes
that
you're
not
bringing
in
things,
I
mean
it's
a
different
level
of
oversight,
sometimes,
and
so
I'm
not
saying
that
it's
necessarily
a
problem.
G
I'm
just
saying
that
it
could
create
a
situation
that
if
we
had
enough
of
these,
it
could
be
okay
kind
of
depends
on
what
they're
selling
so
and
that's
what
it's
been
all
along.
Really,
so
what
are
they
selling?
How
big
is
it?
What
time
I
mean,
there's
factors
that
we
don't
know
when
we're
talking
about
what
is
the
commercial
activity
and
I'm.
G
It's
a
huge
problem,
maybe
we
can
handle
it
in
the
in
the
the
guidelines,
but
I
just
want
to
think
about
that
a
little
bit,
because
I
do
think
if
we
had
all
the
commercial
events,
I
mean
all
the
cultural
events
on
the
plaza
and
every
single
one
of
them
did
food.
G
E
E
So
I
will
withdraw
my
amen,
my
my
motion
to
approve
the
amendment
at
this
time,
and
I
suppose
I
leave
it
up
to
the
rest
of
the
committee
as
to
whether
we
want
to
bring
this
back
to
finance
in
a
couple
weeks
after
there
has
been
some
more
time
to
really
think
about
this
and
kind
of
some
of
these
other
aspects
that
or
discuss
that
governing
body.
A
B
A
B
E
E
A
So
that
would
be
the
next
thing.
We'd
need
to
decide
is
whether
to
postpone
to
our
next
meeting,
but
we
could
also,
I
guess,
if
you
don't,
withdraw
your
second,
you
could
also
we
we
have
a
let's
see,
let's
think
this
through.
We
have
a
motion
for
an
amendment.
A
G
D
Just
to
clarify
in
the
conversations
we've
had
about
this,
since
it's
really
just
small
commercial
event
permits
it's
tabling,
it's
a
table,
there's
not
much!
You
can
do
in
terms
of
trying
to
do
something
on
the
plaza
park
that
creates
a
whole
new
food
possibility.
What
barbara
and
I
had
talked
about
is
that
this
actually
only
applies
to
prepared
food
that
you're
actually
selling
at
a
table.
You
can't
have
a
grill.
You
can't
have
propane
anyway,
so
all
of
those
things
are
not
even
allowed
now,
so
I
I
guess
I
don't.
D
F
Miss
mcdonald
doesn't
barbara,
go
out
and
look
at
all
the
events
anyway,
because
I
heard
of
an
event
that
happened
recently
where
they
were
trying
to
sell
t-shirts
and
cds,
and
she
told
them
I
wasn't
allowed.
So
I
think
she's
out
there
for
all
the
events
to
make
sure
that
they're
following
the
rules.
G
Madam
chair
counselors,
she
doesn't
go
out
to
quite
a
few
events.
She
does
not
go
out
to
all
of
the
events,
although
I
I
think
counselor
via
rails,
bringing
up
the
prepared
food
does
answer
a
lot
of
questions
for
me,
because
I
think
that
is
probably
very
true.
If
it's
prepared
food,
it's
probably
good.
A
D
I
think
that,
instead
of
your
idea
about,
let's
keep
pushing
it
down
the
road
go
to
finance
the
next
finance.
We
have
a
significant
amount
of
time
between
now
and
then
governing
body
meeting,
and
some
of
these
unknowns
could
be
figured
out.
I
mean
they're
not
really
unknowns.
It's
really.
I
understand
where
you're
trying
to
go
with
this
actually,
and
although
I
would
like
to
keep
lotteries
in
there,
I
know
that
there's
been,
you
know,
questions
about
how
that
would
work,
and
so
I
mean
I
think
that
what
you're
trying
to
do
covers
it.
D
It
does
allow
for
a
different
kind
of
possibility
for
sure,
but
it
still
keeps
the
the
named
ones,
which
I
think
was
important,
because
those
are
those
have
a
track
record.
The
only
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
when
you
remove
the
language
with
lottery,
go
it.
What
goes
with
it
is
the
track
record
of
making
sure
those
cultural
events
have
been
would
even
be
considered,
and
I
guess
we're
just
kind
of
opening
it
up
to
anybody.
Really.
They
don't
have
to
have
a
track
record
anymore.
D
So
the
two
out
of
the
last
five
years
will
be
removed
with
this
amendment,
and
that
was
something
that
I
think
people
at
least
stakeholders
liked,
because
they
knew
that
this
cultural
event
they've
been
permitted
before.
So
I
don't
know
how
to
resolve
that
right.
Now,
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud,
because
this,
I
think,
is
an
option
that
will
cover
some
groups
that
we,
I
think
are
will
be
missed,
possibly
and
even
then
the
lottery
potentially
but
maybe
say
more
a
little
bit
about
that.
E
I
think
that's
a
great
question
and
I've
kind
of
gone
back
and
forth
on
that.
If
we
want
to
put
in
this
kind
of
this
litmus
test
of,
have
you
operated
at
least
twice
the
last
five
years
in
order
to
get
this
one
commercial
space.
E
D
You
thank
you
that
actually
clarified
in
my
mind,
because
when
we're
talking
about
lottery,
that's
really
allowing
for
a
number
of
vendors
potentially,
which
I
don't
think
is
a
bad
thing,
I'm
still
in
favor
of
that.
However,
in
this
case,
it's
only
one
table
essentially
or
one
space,
so
yeah.
I
think
that
tracker,
I'm
thinking
out
loud,
I'm
sorry,
but
this
two
to
five,
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
that
would
look
like
so
okay,
so
I'll
yield
the
floor
for
now.
I
just
don't
think
that
we
need
to
bring
this
back
to
finance.
D
I
think
we
can
work
out
some
other
possibilities.
Okay,.
F
I'm
actually
in
favor
of
this
moving
forward.
I
think
it
makes
good
sense.
It's,
I
believe,
a
good
compromise
to
what's
there
and
I
think
it
gives
people
that
are
out
there
waiting
for
this
to
happen,
an
idea
of
how
we're
moving
forward
and
not
the
lottery
sort
of.
What's
going
to
happen
with
that
and
do
I
need
to
apply
as
soon
as
this
is
passed,
so
I
think
it
gives
some
a
little
bit
of
clarification
to
the
people
out
there
that
are
considering
this.
I
think
it's
a
good
language,
good
compromise.
A
I
A
For
that,
for
final
passage,
right,
yeah,
okay,
I
love
that
problem.
We
seem
to
come
into
it
a
lot
lately.
All
right,
I
think,
is
there
a
motion.
Do
we
have
a
motion
on
the
bill?
Okay,.
A
So
sorry
so
hard
to
see
the
forest
through
the
trees
and
do
I
have
to
refresh
again.
I
only
have
one
for
now.
D
D
A
I
C
A
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
These
are
just
small
corrections.
One
is
inserting
the
words
for
the
commercial
use
for
our
definition
of
small
commercial
events,
so
the
definition
will
read.
Small
commercial
event
means
a
cultural
event
with
a
commercial
use
that
is
limited
to
the
plaza
park
and
does
not
require
street
closures
for
the
commercial
use.
D
Page
seven
and
we're
talking
about
how
major
major
and
small
commercial
permitted
events
have
to
follow
the
various
rules
and
one
of
them
in
particular,
says
the
city
may
require
specific
booth
layouts.
What
it
adds
is
table,
so
it's
it
will
read.
The
city
may
require
specific
booth
or
table
layouts
and
that's
to
cover
small
commercial
event
permits
because
we're
not
we're
not
doing
booths
we're
doing
tables.
D
They
have
to
follow
what
the
plaza
artisans
have
to
adhere
to.
Okay,.
E
A
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
this
bill
as
amended
all
those
in
favor
aye
aye.
Anybody
opposed
that
motion
passes
all
right.
I
believe
we
are
done
with
what
we
had
pulled
from
consent.
Sorry,
my
so
we
are
moving
now
to
introduction.
Well,
we
don't
have
any
discussion
items
introduction
of
legislation,
so
does
somebody
want
to
introduce
this.
E
A
Okay-
and
I
think
it's
pretty
self-explanatory-
it
is
being
introduced
here
because
there
is
a
time
deadline
to
get
this
passed.
So
I
think,
that's
all
we'll
say
about
it:
we're
going
to
move
on
no
executive
session
matters
from
staff.