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A
D
E
B
We've
all
done
that,
commissioner,
could
you
lead
us
in
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
B
We
next
we'll
move
on
to
the
approval
of
the
agenda
staff.
Do
you
have
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
F
F
G
B
Thank
you,
commissioners,
do
you
have
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
B
And
we
have
two
commissioners
on
zoom,
so
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
paying
attention
and
let
your
commissioners
speak
if
you
need
to
so.
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
and
because
this
is
a
hybrid
meeting
where
we
have
people
attending
in
person,
both
commissioners
and
the
public
and
and
also
on
zoom,
we
are
going
to
continue
the
roll
call
votes
on
all
matters
so
that
the
voting
is
very
clear
and
so
that
the
public
and
all
of
us
know
how
everyone
is
voting.
B
D
E
E
B
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
minutes.
Those
are
the
july
16
2022
minutes.
B
B
Any
changes
of
the
minutes
by
the
commission
commissioners,
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
I
B
Thank
you.
Next,
we
have
two
study
sessions,
one
by
maggie
moore
who's,
the
planning
manager
and
the
other
legal
issues
by
patricia
patricia
holly,
who
is
the
assistant
city
attorney.
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F
F
F
F
So
the
the
general
plan
in
chapter
14
come
into
play
as
the
the
general
plan
is
the
basic
policy
guide
for
the
administration
of
chapter
14..
This
serves
as
our
goals,
recommendations
and
policies,
guiding
development.
F
F
Chapter
14
also
is
intended
to
create
conditions
that
are
favorable
to
the
health,
safety,
convenience
and
prosperity
by
coordinating
development
of
streets
by
providing
parks
and
trails,
providing
sewage,
water
and
other
infrastructure,
and
providing
adequate
open
space
for
traffic
recreation,
drainage
light
and
air.
These
are
all
themes
that
come
up
within
every
review
that
we
do
in.
J
F
F
F
F
There
is
an
exchange
with
the
applicant
if
more
information
is
needed
during
this
time.
Also,
the
public
has
noticed
that
the
case
will
be
heard
in
front
of
the
planning,
commission
and
they're
invited
to
provide
comments
online
on
primegov
directly
to
staff
or
to
come
to
the
meeting
and
provide
in-person
comment
during
the
public
hearing
phase
staff
prevents
our
report,
which
includes
approval
criteria,
whether
it's
a
development
plan,
a
special
use
permit
or
a
rezoning,
and
our
recommendations
for
approval
or
denial.
F
F
The
planning
commission
may
make
reports
and
recommendations
relating
to
the
development
of
the
city
of
public
utilities,
civic
educational,
professional
and
other
organizations,
and
to
the
citizens
with
regard
to
growth,
management,
land
use,
transportation,
development,
review
procedures,
urban
design
and
capital
improvements,
and
they
may
participate
in
neighborhood
and
community
planning
and
other
community
issues.
As
long
as
they
relate
to
long-term
planning.
L
Commissioners,
terry
clow,
this
is
mostly
for
the
two
new
commissioners.
The
rest
of
you
saw
this
a
few
months
ago,
but
never
hurts
to
go
over
it
again.
So,
basically,
we're
going
to
be
going
over
the
open
meetings
act
ex
parte
communication,
the
authority
of
the
commission,
which
this
one
already
talked
about
robert's
rules
and
oprah,
which
is
the
inspection
of
public
records.
L
L
On
prime
dev,
it's
also
published
in
the
newspaper
you
are,
the
thing
to
be
careful
about
is
a
rolling
forum,
which
is
if,
for
instance,
one
of
you
were
to
talk
to
every
other
member
in
not
the
same
time,
but
about
a
certain
issue
that
still
constitutes
a
rolling
forum,
and
that
is
not
allowed
by
the
open
meetings,
act
and
also
emails
or
texts
that
are
sort
of
group
texts
which
all
of
you
communicate
with
each
other
are
not
allowed.
L
There's
a
there's,
a
committee
that
is
part
of
the
planning
commission,
which
is
only
four
members
which
is
not
a
quorum,
so
that
is
allowed.
So
that's
a
policy
subcommittee,
but
it's
only
four
members
for
a
reason.
So
that's
not
a
quorum.
L
So
if
you
have
any
conflict
of
interest,
you
do
need
to
announce
it
before
the
case
is
heard
and
if
you
cannot
be
impartial,
you
have
to
recuse
yourself
and
your
decisions
have
to
be
based
on
evidence.
That's
presented
to
you
in
the
packet
and
also
presented
at
the
hearing
there.
This
is
so
that
everyone
has
the
same
information
and
it's
it's
available
to
the
public
as
well.
L
L
Act:
okay,
so
don't
don't
go
check
out
sites
by
yourself,
which
includes
online,
so
if
you
needed
more
information
on
a
site
or
on
anything
pertaining
to
a
case
instead
of
investigating
yourself
contact
staff
staff
will
provide
that
information
to
everyone
and
include
it
in
the
packet.
L
If
you
have
questions
contact,
maggie
contact,
the
case
planner
contact
me,
and
we
will
make
sure
that
it's
available
to
everyone
and
the
same
thing,
if
you
get
emails
from
the
public
or
from
applicant,
it
shouldn't
happen,
but
just
forward
them
to
me
and
we
will
include
them
in
the
packet.
If
that's
the
right
thing
to
do,
I
will
respond
to
people
saying
you
cannot
speak
to
them
about
this,
so
that
you
don't
seem
rude.
I
do
it
for
a
governing
body
as
well.
So
don't
respond
to
those
emails.
L
L
So
with
adjudications,
which
is
what
most
of
what
we
deal
with
members
cannot
talk
to
public
the
applicant
or
the
neighborhood
include
site
visits
like
I
said,
but
also
the
enns
that
ms
moore
talked
about
the
early
neighborhood
notification
meetings,
those
those
are
information
that
is
often
changes
before
it
gets
to
the
commission,
and
we
ask
that
you
do
not
attend
those
if
it's,
for
instance,
something
in
your
own
neighborhood
that
you
are
personally
invested
in,
you
are
welcome
to
go,
but
then
you
can't
vote
on
it.
L
L
If
it
is
your
neighborhood,
so
you
can
participate
as
a
planning,
commissioner,
if
it's
something
that
involves
a
lot
of
people.
So
if
it's
like
something
that
involves
the
south
side,
which
is
clearly
a
lot
of
people,
you
can
you
can
vote
on
it,
you
cannot
go
to
the
enn,
you
cannot
participate
in
it
as
a
citizen,
but
you
can
participate
in
the
case
as
a
commissioner,
if
it's
something
that's,
you
know,
you
have
a
condo
association
of
five
condos
and
you
are
one
of
them.
L
That
would
probably
be
a
bit
too
close.
It
would
impact
you
and
only
you
or
you
and
very
few
other
people.
In
that
case,
you
should
refuse
yourself.
If
you
do
refuse
yourself,
you
should
not
be
present
for
the
discussion
either.
So
leave
the
room
if
you're
on
zoom,
you
can,
you
know,
mute
your
screen
and
we'll
we'll
let
you
know
when,
when
that's
finished,
there's
more
already
talked
about
this.
So
this
is
the
authority
of
the
commission
some
things.
The
planning
commission
has
final
authority
on
some
things.
L
You
are
sending
a
recommendation
to
the
governing
body
and
they
have
the
final
decision.
So
generally
general
plan
amendments
rezonings
and
proposed
amendments
to
chapter
14.
You
are
advising
the
governing
body
and
most
everything
else.
You
have
the
final
decision.
There
are
some
other
things
that
you
are
recommending,
but
generally
those
are
the
big
ones
that
go
to
governing
body.
L
Things
are
not
relevant.
You
know
who
the
applicant
is,
if
you
like
them
or
not,
you
know
how
they
dress.
L
You
can
certainly
consider
what
they
are
saying,
but
the
sheer
number
is
not
generally
a
criteria
in
these
things
and
then
anything,
that's
not
on
the
record
is
not
to
be
considered,
which
includes
expertise.
Communication,
someone
comes
up
to
you
in
the
grocery
store.
Tells
you
something
that
you
haven't
seen
anywhere
else
on
the
record
you're,
not
to
consider
that
in
your
decision
you
can
postpone
a
vote
if
there
is
new
information
that
requires
more
deliberations.
L
If
there
is
not
time
to
hear
all
testimony
at
the
last
hearing
there
was
a
vote
that
was
delayed
until
this
meeting,
because
the
commission
didn't
feel
that
you
had
time
to
consider
everything
and
you
wanted
a
bit
of
information,
additional
information,
that's
totally
fine
that
is
allowed
or
if
you
feel
like
there's
additional
research
required
or
if
you
know
we
we
go
too
late,
and
everyone
says
you
know
what
it's
midnight
we
should
reconvene.
L
Those
are
all
allowed
and
you
know
anytime,
you're,
not
comfortable
making
a
vote.
You
are
welcome
to
you
know,
vote
to
postpone,
but
that
is
something
that
needs
a
vote.
So
we
need
a
motion,
a
second
and
a
vote.
L
This
commission
follows
robert's
rules.
It
also
follows
city
rules
and
procedures
which
are
in
resolution
2009-20.
You
should
all
have
a
copy
of
that.
If
you
don't,
I
can
send
you.
One
is
basically
robert's
rules.
The
only
real
difference
is
a
chair.
Only
votes
in
case
of
a
tie
not
to
break
a
tie
or,
if
they're
votes
necessary,
to
have
the
proper
number
of
votes.
L
L
L
K
L
G
B
You
next
we'll
move
on
to
the
approval
of
findings
of
acts
and
conclusions
of
law
and
the
vote
on
these
can
be
voted
on
by
the
commissioners
who
attended
the
meeting
or
commissioners
who
did
not
attend
the
meeting,
but
read
the
minutes
if
they
were
available
or
watched.
The
video
of
the
hearing
of
the
meeting
and
also
reviewed
all
of
the
written
materials
on
that
particular
item.
B
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
will
move
to
case
number
2022.
B
Commissioner
inejos
paul
seconded
the
motion:
can
we
have
a
roll
call
vote
and
when
you
were
not
present
at
the
meeting
and
are
voting,
please
state?
Why
why
you
are
qualified
to
vote,
meaning
that
you
review
the
appropriate
materials?
B
D
D
B
The
motion
has
been
approved.
Okay.
Next,
we
will
go
to
finding
the
facts
and
conclusions
of
law
in
case
number
2022-5397.
B
Which
is
3007
saint,
francis
st
mike
st
francis
dr
development
plan
amendment?
Are
there
any
changes
to
those
of
findings
and
conclusions,
if
not
I'll,
entertain
a
motion.
B
Commissioner,
smith
has
moved
to
approve
those
findings
and
conclusions.
Is
there
a
second.
K
M
D
B
H
I
will
make
that
motion.
Madam
sure,.
B
Commissioner,
pava
moved
the
approval
of
the
findings
and
conclusions.
Is
there
a
second.
K
B
Approved,
thank
you.
Next
we're
moving
on
to
old
business.
I
will
call
case
number
2022,
5205,
2022,
52,
5206,
2022
5208,
2022
520,
and
it
is
the
st
michael's.
455
st
michael's
drive
cancer
center.
It
involves
the
first
part
of
the
case
is
a
a
recommendation,
we're
making
a
recommendation
on
this
issue
of
a
master
plan
amendment
to
the
existing
christian,
st
vincent's
campus
master
plan.
The
next
one
is
a
development
plan,
we're
making
either
voting
to
approve
or
deny
the
development
plan.
B
The
next
is
a
height
variance
and
the
last
one
is
a
slope
variance,
and
I
we
heard
presentation,
but
both
from
staff
and
from
the
public,
from
staff
from
the
applicant
and
from
the
public.
We
closed
the
public
portion
of
that
public
comment
portion.
B
Please
be
aware
that
the
commissioners
take
all
of
these
materials
seriously
and
have
reviewed
them
all,
because
time
is
important
tonight
I
would
sort
of
like
to
sort
of
summarize.
I
think
what
the
commission
is
looking
for
and
sort
of
what
the
issues
are,
that
that
were
discussed
and
sort
of
questioned
at
the
last
meeting.
B
B
B
The
second
variance
is
a
slope
they're,
a
variance
of
the
30
foot
slope
issue
that
no
building
can
incur
on
all,
but
a
small
amount
of
the
30
slope
and
their
application
is
requesting
a
variance
for
more
building
on
that
slope.
Also
encumbered
in
that
barium's
issue
is
a
disturbance
to
a
small
arroyo
or
a
waterway
that
is
part
of
that
30
slope
issue.
B
I
believe
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
variances
are
granted
they're
they're.
Could
we
please
have
some
quiet?
It's
important
that
variances
are
not
given
very
often
they're,
far
and
few
between,
and
so
that
needs
to
be
kept
and
not
in
in
mind.
B
Also,
with
the
variance
all
individuals,
everyone
who
applies
for
a
variance
whether
it's
an
individual,
a
residence,
a
hospital,
a
business,
they
all
should
be
treated
the
same
that
we
can't
treat
any
applicant
different
than
the
other
and
also
another
important
aspect
of
the
variance
is
that
costs
cannot
be
taken
into
account
that
if
it
is
costly
to
do
a
project
without
a
without
having
a
variance,
we
cannot
take
that
into
account
when
we're
deciding
whether
it
is
appropriate
to
have
a
variance
or
not
so,
costs
cannot
be
considered
by
the
commission
on
the
two
variances.
B
C
B
Land
use
the
roger
from
the
commission
is
that
there's
questions
raised
about?
B
Four,
I
think,
is
important
to
address,
and
that
is
the
variance
is
the
minimum
variance
that
will
make
possible
the
reasonable
use
of
the
land
or
structure,
and
what
we
need
to
consider
is
whether
the
property
could
be
used
without
a
variance
for
a
different
category
or
a
lesser
intensity.
B
Now
I
know
the
applicant
on
page
on
page
20
of
the
staff
report
and
also
in
their
in
their
application,
said
that
they
agree
that
that
it
is
true
that
the
property
could
be
used
for
a
different
in
a
different
matter
or
in
a
less
less
intensity.
B
B
I
know
that
there
was
this
discussion
in
the
report
that,
in
fact,
this
building
sits
lower
than
the
house
is
behind
it,
that
it
sits
at
seven
thousand
seven
feet,
as
opposed
to
the
residences
that
it's
between
sorry
between
seven
thousand
thirty,
three
to
seven
thousand
forty
six
feet,
but
issues
were
made
were
raised.
I
believe
by
commissioner
smith
that
he
wanted
information
on
the
parapets
and
also
on
the
equipment
that
sits
on
top
in
terms
of
how
much
higher
that
would
be-
and
I
believe,
we've.
N
B
Provided
with
some
of
that
information,
the
next
issue
is
the
slope,
variance
and
again
slope.
Variances
don't
happen
very
often.
What
one
needs
to
consider
is
there.
Is
there
a
way
to
do
this,
building
without
interfering
with
the
slope,
including
interfering
with
this
arroyo?
So
the
same
issues
that
were
raised
in
the
one
above
in
what
we
discussed
above
need
to
also
be
addressed.
B
O
B
Why
don't
we
hear
them
from
the
applicant
and
then,
if
they're
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
the
commissioners
if
they
have
any
questions
of
of
staff
or
of
the
applicant.
D
B
B
So
we
do
have
some
additional
information
that
essentially
follows
along
with
the
the
supplemental
documentation
that
was
submitted
to
staff
on
friday
per
the
commission's
request
at
the
last
hearing,
and
so
I
think
I
will
just
kind
of
run
through
some
of
these,
and
but
I
heard
you
share
cloud
about
kind
of
the
things
you
really
want
us
to
focus
our
efforts
on,
so
we
will
be
as
as
brief
as
we
can.
B
So
this
relates
to
the
height
of
the
of
the
parapet
and
the
rooftop
equipment,
and
this
was
addressed
in
the
in
the
supplemental
information
that
was
provided
to
the
commission
and
so
the
the
unique
thing
about
the
south
central
highway
corridor
overlay.
It's
the
only
place
in
chapter
14
where
height
is
measured
and
the
maximum
permissible
height
is
measured
to
the
roof
deck
as
opposed
to
the
parapet.
B
Every
other
zoning
requirement
is
heights
measured
to
the
parapet.
I
don't
know
why
that
is,
but
that
is
what
it
is.
So
so
all
of
our
materials
have
been
focused
on
that
25
foot,
roof
deck
and
we're
requesting
a
32
foot,
roof
deck.
Obviously,
there's
a
parapet
so
parapets!
You
know
two
to
three
feet:
it
varies
a
little
bit
and
then
there
is
rooftop
equipment.
B
Chapter
14
allows
all
commercial
structures
in
the
city
an
additional
eight
feet
over
their
the
maximum
permissible
height
or
rooftop
of
pertinences,
whether
it's
elevator
overruns
or-
and
you
know
they
talk
about
antennas-
that's
a
little
old
school.
We
don't
really
have
antennas
on
our
buildings
anymore
and
hdac
equipment,
things
of
that
nature,
and
so
when
we
so
within
that
eight
foot
limitation
of
the
rooftop
of
pertinences.
That
brings
the
building
to
40
feet.
B
B
And
so
one
of
the
questions
was
raised.
Well,
can
you
put
the
hvc
equipment
on
the
ground
it?
Technically?
Yes,
but
that
comes
with
consequences.
The
consequences
is
greatly
reduced.
Energy
efficiency
consequences
of
duct
work
on
the
outside
of
the
building
that
results
in
that
loss
of
efficiency,
the
the
only
place
in
the
site
that
truly
accommodates.
B
And
so,
with
respect
to
the
linux,
vault
you're
correct
your
cloud
that,
yes,
this
is
a
a
concrete
enclosure.
It
does
so.
Obviously
there
are
no.
There
are
no
windows.
However,
there
are
significant
concerns
about
the
experience
of
a
patient
fighting
for
their
life
to
descend
below
ground
to
receive
their
treatment.
B
B
Well,
then,
we're
into
ramps
all
throughout
this
facility
to
connect
everything
and
be
able
to
navigate
the
facility.
So
you
have
patients
in
wheelchairs
patients
on
gurneys
being
navigated
through
ada
compliant
ramps
throughout
the
facility
in
medical
facilities.
Ramps
are
avoided
at
all
costs,
and
so
there
are
a
lot
of
reasons
and
dr
t,
who
spoke
with
you
at
the
last
meeting,
is
also
here
who
can
speak
from
great
personal
experience
around
the
importance
of
how
this
linac
is
designed
relative
to
patient
care
and
patient
outcomes.
B
B
Is
that
the
view
to
you
can
see
the
you
know
the
the
ortiz
and
the
sandias
in
the
distance?
Here
that
view
corridor
is
straight
down
the
arroyo
we're
not
touching
the
arroyo,
it
is
a
fema
floodplain,
we
are
preserving
it,
we
are
protecting
it
and
that
is
a
southwest
orientation
that
takes
your
eyeballs
right
to
the
mountains
in
the
distance.
B
We're
going
to
come
back
to
that,
there
was
also
a
question
about
the
north
side
of
campus,
where,
in
the
previous
master
plan
we
do
have
a
condition
of
approval
requiring
fencing
along
the
north
side
of
the
campus.
So
there
is
extensive,
coyote,
fencing
and
landscaping
along
that
boundary.
So
a
question
was
raised
about
this.
There
is
no
requirement
for
berms.
I
think
burn.
That
question
was
raised
at
the
last
hearing.
L
B
And
with
respect
to
parking,
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
parking,
so
there
was
a
request
to
really
better
understand
what
the
what
the
parking
demand
is
for
the
facility.
B
B
You
know,
there's
overlap
as
patients
are
arriving
and
they're
early
and
somebody
else
is
already
in
the
exam
room,
and
so
you
have
to
ensure
you
can
accommodate
that
so,
based
upon
that
three
spaces
per
exam
room
ideally,
would
be
249
spaces
on
the
site
and
with
our
current
design
and
with
the
requested
variants
or
the
30
slopes,
we
achieved
237,
so
we're
pretty
close.
So
we
feel
we
feel
pretty
good
about
that
and
based
upon
this
pine
gestures
memo
that
we
obtained
on
monday,
she
clarified
the
setback
from
the
arroyo.
B
B
B
So
we
believe
strongly
that
when,
when
faced
with
a
choice
of
protecting
this
remnant,
drainage
and
avoiding
it,
it
has
already
been
significantly
impacted
by
the
city
allowing
it
to
be
piped
upstream
and
then
crossing
it
and
impacting
the
fema
floodplain
that
we
were
left
with
this
isolated
little
drainage,
balancing
that
against
the
benefit
to
these
patients,
and
so
we
we
believe
that
it
is
reasonable
and
appropriate
to
make
every
effort
to
accommodate
as
much
on-site
parking
as
we
can.
B
So
we
were
asked
to
analyze.
Could
we
do
a
parking
structure?
Let's
do
a
parking
structure,
so
parking
structure
is
in
the
type
of
structure
that
we're
talking
about.
Is
you
have
kind
of
an
open
parking
area
on
the
ground
on
the
asphalt?
B
P
Q
B
K
B
B
40
parking
spaces,
75
000
of
space
does
not
feel
fiscally
responsible
to
endeavor
to
pursue
that
type
of
endeavor
in
the
structure,
and
I
can
show
you
momentarily,
you
know
it
is
basically
kind
of
just
we
have
our
facility
here.
The
structure
is
right
across
it's
really
the
only
place
of
the
foot
it
would
fit,
it
puts
cars,
it
elevates
them
more.
In.
B
B
So
a
fire
truck
can
traverse
the
interior
of
the
structure
and
we
have
to
have
an
elevator.
We
have
to
have
two
sets
of
stairs
with
the
associated
enclosure
to
exit
the
stairs
and
we
would
need
variance
to
the
height
limitations
to
accomplish
a
parking
structure,
because
we
can't
accomplish
it
within
the
33
feet.
That
is
the
maximum
price.
B
So,
lastly,
we
shared
at
the
last
meeting
that
the
condition
that
was
kind
of
very
late
in
the
game.
The
day
before
the
last
hearing,
we
met
with
public
utility
staff
on
site
and
they
put
in
a
request,
in
a
condition
of
approval
number
10
regarding
this
facility
funding
the
construction
of
an
access
road
through
the
arroyo
de
los
amigos,
which
is
a
beautiful
drainage
way.
B
B
T
B
N
B
T
B
B
B
Then,
on
the
other
hand,
the
city
of
santa
fe
is
asking
us
to
build
a
gravel
road
found,
something
that
is
protected,
so
we're
struggling
with
that
honestly,
we
are.
We
are
struggling
with
that,
so
I
hope
that
I
have
been
able
to
address
the
information
you
requested
and
again
we
do
have
other
members
of
our
team
who
are
here
to
speak
more
specifically
to
to
certain
items.
If
that
would
be,
if
that
would
be
helpful.
U
D
U
Madam
chair,
you,
you
focused
our
attention
on
the
criteria
of
the
variants
that
says
that
deals
with
the
reasonable
use
in
the
land
and
the
factors
that
the
planning
commission
to
consider
one
is:
is
there
a
use
that
wouldn't
require
variance?
The
other
is
consistency
with
the
general
plan
and
in
reviewing
those
two
criteria.
U
The
code
is
not
very
well
written
as
to
how
they
should
be
considered.
They
just
say
well
in
considering
whether
or
not
this
variance
is
needed
to
make
a
reasonable
use.
The
following
factors
shall
be
considered.
It
doesn't
say
how
so
I'm
I
would
like
to
address
the.
I
think
that
the
first
criteria
about
whether
there's
another
use
that
wouldn't
require
a
variance
or
a
less
intense
use.
That
is
particularly
problematic
for
almost
every
variance,
because
you
can
always
say
there's
another
use
that
you
can
use
this
property
that
doesn't
require
variance.
U
You
could
put
a
parking
lot
there
I
mean,
so
that
criteria
is
very
difficult
to
analyze
and
I
don't
think
it
has
as
much
application
or
weight,
as
does
the
second
criteria
about.
How
is
the
use
proposed
consistent
with
the
general
plan
policies,
and
what
are
we
looking
at
here?
You
all
are
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
them,
but
one
of
the
general
plan
policies
and
the
zoning
policy
here
is.
This
is
a
hospital
corridor
district.
U
The
idea
is
to
consolidate
medical
services
to
provide
for
the
efficient
use
of
the
infrastructure
around
medical
services.
That's
one
of
the
policies
of
the
plan.
This
variance
allows
for
a
badly
needed
facility
medical
facility
in
a
zoned
district,
where
the
plan
and
the
ordinance
militates
in
favor
of
using
that
infrastructure.
That's
there
for
those
purposes.
I
just
wanted
to
address
those
two
criteria,
because
we
believe
that
the
consistency
with
the
plan
as
a
factor
weighs
heavily
in
in
favor
of
the
reasonable
use
and
enjoyment
of
the
property
with
the
variances
we're
talking
about.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
How
does
this
new
setback
of,
I
think
not
18
feet?
According
to
my
understanding,
how
does
this
this
new
setback
impact
the
total
amount
of
parking
spaces
available.
B
Thank
you,
chair
cloud,
commissioner
lucero
and
commissioners.
Let
me
just
pull
that
up,
so
we
we
had
I'm
going
to
have
them
feed
me
in
that
we
want
with
that
we
lost
63
spaces,
and
so
the
balance.
R
B
Okay,
so
this
shows
the
18
foot
setback
and
this
is
the
area
where
those
63
spaces
are
are
gone,
so
we
went
from
I'm
just
I
don't
have
the
map.
L
B
B
H
Thank
you,
madam
senator.
I
would
like
a
bit
further
clarification
on
the
access
road
or
access
of
access,
roads,
condition.
Number
10
in
the
staff
report
talks
about
access
to
a
variety
of
city
utilities.
H
H
B
So
this
thank
you,
chair
cloud,
commissioner
public.
This
is
the
water
tank.
J
B
There
are
water
lines
that
come
out
of
the
tank,
yes,
okay,
and
then
they
follow
so
that
the
the
proposed
road
essentially
follows
some
water
and
sewer
easements.
That
kind
of
run
parallel
to
one
another
and
then
down
at
the
at
the
bottom.
As
you
get
close
to
st
michael's
at
the
bottom
of
this
stretch
of
the
awario
are
some
additional
lift
station
and
sewer
infrastructure
here
at
the
bottom.
H
This
might
be
a
follow-up
question
and
thank
you
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
This
might
be
a
follow-up
question
clarification
from
our
city
staff.
How
is
since
there
is
a
major
24-inch
water
line
and
a
sewer
line
already
in
the
arroyo.
How
is
it
currently
maintained
and
why
don't
we
need?
Why
haven't
we
needed
a
road
to
this
point.
W
Thank
you
cherokee,
commissioner.
The
fact
is
that
this
road
actually
is
already
in
existence.
They
it's
just
not
maintained,
is
the
issue
and
the
the
utilities
have
asked
for
an
improvement
to
the
road
as
part
of
this
condition.
So
there
is
a
road.
It's
it's
been
used
before
by
utilities
to
access
these
these
utilities,
but
it's
in
poor
condition
and
it's
too
sloped
to
allow
for
large
sewer,
evacs
or
evacuators.
I
think
they're
called
to
roll
through
there.
B
Cloud
yes,
commissioner
smith,.
A
My
question
is:
when
the
we
saw
the
view
shed
in
the
two
yellow
lines
and
the
view
out
when,
when
people
went
up
and
took
that
picture
and
made
those
lines
one,
what
is
outside
of
the
lines
is:
are
those
structures-
and,
secondly,
were
the
neighbors
who
came
and
testified
included
in
that
conversation
and
if
so,
how
do
they
feel
about
that
assertion?.
B
So
yes,
so
what
we
see
right
here?
This
is
the
edge
of
the
fencing
that
goes
around
the
city's
water
tank
and
then
this
is.
B
Oh,
I'm
sorry
there
we
go
sorry
about
that.
There
we
go
so
this
is
the
fencing
that
goes
around
the
city's
water
tank.
So
if
you're
looking
to
the
southwest,
this
is
going
to
be,
you
know
off
to
off
to
the
left,
and
then
you
can
see
some
of
the
office
buildings.
B
This
building
is
actually
on
the
other
side
of
st
michael's,
and
this
is
the
medical
office
buildings
that
are
directly
west
of
the
site,
and
so
we
were
out
there
for
other
purposes
and
to
check
on
some
things
on
the
site
and
we
we
had
a
in
the
moment
it
was
like.
Oh,
let's,
go,
take
a
look
and
get
up
there
and
see
what
this,
what
this
potential
view
impact
is,
and
so
we
were
on
christmas
property.
B
Basically,
where
we
were
standing
here
taking
the
picture,
there
was
the
fence
of
the
closest
resident
right
behind
us,
so
we're
kind
of
up
against
their
fence,
but
obviously
not
trespassing
on
their
on
their
property,
and
so
we
looked
towards
the
mountains
and
discovered
you
know
somewhat
by
accident
that
that
the
arroyo
itself
is
that
line
of
sight
toward
the
tournaments.
A
I
guess
my
question
is
chair.
Clown.
B
A
Go
ahead,
my
question
is
so
that's
down
the
arroyo.
Where
does
the
structure
that
you're
planning
fit.
B
B
B
There
we
go.
Thank
you
so
the
structure
with
this
this
view
arrow
here
our
structure,
sits
to
the
left
of
that
beyond
the
bank
of
trees
that
you
see
here
in
the
front.
G
A
B
On
this
side
it
would,
we
did
not
have
time,
unfortunately,
to
create
a
digital
rendering,
but
it's
if
you
see
kind
of
these
structures
kind
of
here
in
the
distance,
if
you
kind
of
drew
a
line,
we'd
be
sitting
very
similar
kind
of
right
in
this
area.
Here.
B
A
And
did
you
did
you
discuss
all
of
this
with
any
of
the
the
people
who
were
at
the
neighbors
who
were
at
the
last
meeting.
V
B
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
would
like
to
make
motions
in
the
order,
as
suggested
in
the
staff
report,
regarding
starting
with
the
master
plan
amendment
in
a
matter
of
case
2022-5205
master.
J
H
Point
of
order
shall
I
go
through
my
intended:
recommendat
motions
so
that
so
that
the
commission
is
aware
of
the
process
and
my
recommendations.
H
And
incidentally,
following
should,
should
we
approve
the
master
plan
amendment
in
in
in
the
matter
of
case
2022
5206,
the
development
plan
recommending
approval,
subject,
conditions
and
technical
corrections
so
on
and
so
forth
in
the
matter
of
the
height
variance
for
case
2022
5208,
I
recommend
approval
and,
in
the
matter
of
the
slope
variance
case,
2022
5209
recommend
approval
and
I
have
conditions
I
could
submit
for
the
record.
X
H
Proposed
findings
to
substantiate
support,
if
that's
necessary,.
B
I
think
the
staff
report
has
findings
except
oh
you're,
talking
about
for
the
for
the
slope
variants.
Yes,
we
need.
B
And
perhaps
you
could
do
those
now?
I
think
that
would
make
sense.
H
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
were
the
commission
to
consider
recommending
approval
of
the
slope
variants
for
2022-5209?
I
would
submit
that
the
variance
criteria
of
section
14-3-16
c
1-5
are
are
met
as
follows.
H
Y
J
B
A
second
to
all
for
the
motions
or
just
the
first
one,
all
four.
B
Any
discussions
or
comments.
B
B
Okay,
could
we
take
a
roll
call
on
matter.
M
D
B
D
E
E
H
E
E
I
H
B
Okay,
next,
we
are
moving
on
to
matter
20-22-506-3.
B
2200,
oh
pecos
trail
preliminary
plat
approval
and
for
the
record
I
need
to
state
that
I
live
at
quail
run.
My
property
is
over
a
mile
away
from
this
property.
I
live
on
the
far
back
side
of
quail
run
on
old,
santa
fe
trail
and
I
drive
by
this
property.
Just
like
I
drive
by
the
hospital
property.
Very
often
I
don't.
K
K
B
Y
AB
AC
Y
AB
The
properties
zoned
r1
and
with
the
following
overlay
districts,
south
central
highway
corridor
and
suburban
archaeological
review
district.
The
second
case
is
2022
5604,
again:
22
2200
old
pecos
trial,
pulmonary
plant
montoya
land
use,
consulting
inc
agent
for
perry,
amistore
applicant
request,
preliminary
platter
pool
for
a
25
residential
subdivision
with
innovative
street
design.
K
AB
This
is
one
project,
that'll
be
hurt,
it's
two
cases,
but
it's
one
project
and
we're
going
to
combine
the
conversation
and
the
review
or
ease
of
of
our
use.
But
you
will
be
voting
separately.
AB
The
recommendation
is
the
planning
commission
should
recommend
that
the
governing
body
approve
case
20,
22,
50,
63,
22,
old
pickles,
trailer,
zoning
and
approve
case
2022-56,
2200
opecus
trail,
subdivision,
plat,
and
then
again
that
is
subject
to
conditions
of
approval
of
this
report,
and
that
is
the
conditions
of
approval
on
table.
One
of
this
report
exhibit
a
the
technical
corrections
and
exhibit
b,
which
are
the
city's
drt
comments.
AB
AB
AB
AB
Unit
per
acre
for
an
r3
district,
you
have
three
dwelling
units
per
acre.
The
balance
of
the
overlay
requirements
are
the
same.
Maximum
height
is
25
feet.
Unfortunately,
the
24
foot
high
restriction
is
going
to
apply
here,
since
it
is
the
more
restrictive
of
the
two
for
the
underlying
zoning.
So
a
25-foot
height
restriction
would
apply
mainly
for
non-residential
districts,
setbacks
and
yards.
Now,
if
you're
up
against
old
pickles
trail,
you
have
a
75
foot,
setback
from
old
taco's
trail,
otherwise,
you're
going
to
maintain
your
15
foot,
rear
yard
setback.
AB
AB
AB
Any
outdoor
area
that
permanently
provides
light
and
air
that
satisfies
in
whole
or
in
part
the
community's
visual
psychological
or
recreational
needs.
The
applicant
didn't
really
address
this
on
the
plat
and
it
isn't
a
function
of
the
building
permit
process
where
you
get
to
address
that
through
lot
coverage.
AB
Obviously,
this
isn't
common
open
space,
so
the
recreational
part
may
not
have
to
be
applied,
but
the
psychological
and
the
visual
portion
of
it
does
and
will
have
to
address.
They
will
have
to
address
how
that
interacts
with
one
another
or
each
of
the
lots,
as
well
as
the
surrounding
properties,
including
the
75-foot
setback
along
the
pecos
trail.
AB
AB
AB
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor.
Now
the
scenic
corridor
is
in
the
general
plan
and
it
reads:
the
old
techno
trail
scenic
corridor
designate.
That's
I'm
sorry.
The
old
pecos
charleston
corner
designates
old
pecos
trail
between
cordova
road
and
I-25
as
a
scenic
roadway,
and
recognizes
its
importance
as
an
unspoiled
gateway
into
downtown
development
standards,
including
land
use,
density,
design.
K
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
And
here's
the
two
accesses
one
is
awful
pecos
trail,
one
is
off
of
wesleya
road
old
pecos
trail
of
states
place
is
a
t.
We
didn't
have
as
much
of
a
problem
with
the
cul-de-sacs
here,
since
we
believe
that
there's
enough
maneuverability
within
this
t-road
design
that
would
allow
for
both
large
vehicles
and
small
vehicles
to
go
in
and
out
of
this
subdivision
without
having
to
back
out
onto
old
pickles
trail.
So
we're
okay
with
that,
and
this
is
just
another
rendering
of
the
access
point
into
the
driveway
coming
off
of
opeco's
trail.
AF
Y
E
AB
Now
we
do
have
some
concern
with
a
couple
areas,
because
it
does
seem
to
block
some
access
into
some
of
those
lots.
So
the
applicant
is
going
to
have
to
address
how
those
two
lots
are
going
to
gain
access
if
those
areas
are
parked
fully
parked,
and
we
have
conditioned
that
as
one
of
our
requirements.
AB
As
far
as
traffic
goes,
we
do
have
our
traffic
consultant,
who
will
be
presenting
directly
after
me.
During
the
scoping
meeting,
they
were
asked
to
look
at
three
intersections,
the
first
intersection
at
old
tico's
trail
and
st
michael's.
The
second
intersection
was
at
old
peckles
trail
and
west
zio
road.
AB
E
AD
AB
Requirements
in
order
to
meet
the
fire
suppression
requirements
for
fire
protection
and
meet
that
thousand
gallons
per
minute
sewer
is
coming
in
are.
AB
Through
a
manhole
on
private
property,
the
manhole
is
in
the
arroyo.
We
do
not
allow
for
those
types
of
manholes
and
oils
anymore,
but
this
one's
grandfathered
in
they
are
connecting
to
it.
There
is
an
easement
that
allows
us
to
access
it
and
they're
required
to
develop
it.
Stan
is
here.
If
you
have
any
questions
regarding
any
concerns
regarding
sewer,
he
can
answer
any
of
those
questions
for
you.
This
provides.
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
We
believe
that
the
applicant
has
addressed
all
of
the
necessary
criteria
for
the
rezoning.
We
also
understand
that
there's
a
mismatch
between
the
zoning
and
the
underlying
future
language
map.
At
again,
the
general
plan
was
adopted
in
99
and
designated
this
property
as
low
density
residential,
which
is
from
three
to
seven
polynomials
per
acre.
AB
AB
K
B
Can
we
just
see
if
there's
any
questions
of
you
dan,
I
I
have
one
and
just
see
if
any
of
the
other
commissioners
clarifying
questions
so
that
we
can
hone
in
on
what
the
issues
are
so
to
be
clear
in
number.
One,
in
your
condition,
is
the
requirement
that
the
applicant
comply
with
the
50
open
space
requirement
on
each
lot.
Is
that
correct.
AB
B
AB
AB
See
how
there
are
how
they're
going
to
present
that
and
how
it
intertwines,
with
the
overall
subdivision,
to
meet
the
definition
of
open
space.
AB
The
condition
that
I
put
identifies
that
they
have
to
show
it
to
the
planning
commission
as
part
of
their
final
flat
approval,
so
they're
going
to
have
to
meet
all
those
conditions
that
require
them
to
have
it
in
their
application,
changes
or
updates.
In
order
to
move
forward
to
the
climate
commission.
B
So
it's
not
an
issue
that
we're
dealing
with
tonight.
It
is
a
requirement
that
50
of
each
lot
the
open
space
and
that
before
final
plat
approval
can
be
given
they'll,
be
back
here
in
front
of
us
requesting
final
flat
approval,
and
at
that
point
in
time
they
will
have
to
demonstrate
that
there's
50
open
space
on
each
lot,
but
also
use
that
identify
that
it
meets
the
other
requirements
of
the
general
plan,
which
is
how
it
all
sort
of
meshes
together
in
terms
of.
AB
That's
a
good
question
and
the
issue
that
the
first
question
is:
do
we
have
to
deal
with
this
tonight?
That
is
a
that's
purely
something
that
the
planning
commission
has
to
be
comfortable
with
in
pushing
it
out
to
a
final
flap
you
don't
have
to.
That
is
something
that
you
can
say.
No,
we
want
to
see.
AB
And
you,
and
then
it
just
becomes
part
of
the
preliminary
plan
that
is
purely
within
your
decision.
App
is
comfortable
enough
to
push
that
out
to
the
final
place,
so
we
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
then
present
it
to
the
planning
commission
at
final
cut.
That's
that's
up
to
the
planning
commission's
decision.
B
Thank
you
any
other
questions
of
the
commission
for
clarification.
A
This
is
not
a
clarification,
maybe
I'm
the
only
old
old
man
on
the
mission,
but
if
we
could
get
these
plots
the
next
time
we're
out
and
all
the
the
the
pictures
of
what's
going
to
happen
on
eight
and
a
half
by
11,
it
gets
bigger,
I'm
having
a
very
hard
time,
and
I
had
a
hard
time
with
the
material
just
being
able
to
cipher.
A
It's
so
intense,
there's
so
much
so
much
in
there
and
lots
of
little
lines.
If
we
could
figure
out
a
way
to
get
maps
that
are
supposed
to
are
showing
us
something
to
be
big
enough.
So
old
men
like
me,
can
read
them
I'd
love.
It.
K
A
AB
A
Chair,
if
I
then
I
need
some
coaching.
So
if
I
may
I'll
call
mr
bell
and
get
some
coaching.
B
Okay:
okay,
now
we'll
hear
from
the
tropic
engineer.
E
C
And
audra
gallegos
may
unmute
herself.
I
also
will
allow
for
leroy
pacheco
to
unmute
if
he
has
anything
to
contribute
and.
D
B
Miss
gallegos,
you
can
go
ahead
with
your
presentation.
Do
I
understand
you're
on
contract
with
the
city
and
work
with
wilson
and
associates.
AG
Yes,
so
I'm
an
engineer
with
wilson
and
company
wilson
and
company
as
well
as
well
as
leroy
pacheco,
we
are
contracted
to
provide
traffic
engineering,
support
to
the
city
of
santa
fe,
and
so
dan
had
asked
me
to
explain
the
process
we
go
through.
AG
So
the
developer
submitted
the
traffic
study
to
wilson
and
company
as
long
as
we
were
as
along
with
leroy,
and
then
we
provided
comments
to
the
traffic
study,
so
the
traffic
comments
that
we
provided
are
shown
in
your
packets.
The
comments
that
we
provided
were
technical
corrections.
They
did
not
affect
the
outcome
or
the
recommendations
of
the
traffic
study.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much.
The
applicant.
D
AH
AI
AH
AH
We
could
speak
to
some
of
the
civil
questions
if
we
have
any
of
after
we're
done.
We
have
mike
gomez
of
santa
fe
engineering,
who
performed
the
traffic
study
and
will
make
a
presentation
to
you
in
response
to
audra's
testimony
earlier.
We
also
have
carl
summer
of
summer
carnes
and
associate
and
who's
a
local
land
use
attorney
was
working
with
us
on
the
project,
specifically
in
the
rezoning
area.
AH
Our
project
team
has
quite
a
bit
of
experience
to
share
with
you
this
evening.
I
personally
have
40
years
of
experience
in
the
land
use
arena,
25
of
those
with
the
city
of
santa
fe
land
use
department,
and
so
I
mentioned
only
because
I'm
familiar
with
a
lot
of
the
laws
and
codes
that
that
your
staff
was
discussing
with
you
earlier
today
and
we'll
be
prepared
to
discuss
some
of
those
with
you.
AH
If
you
have
a
question
as
to
how
the
general
plan
zoning
those
types
of
things
apply
to
our
our
particular
project,
I
really
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to.
I
wanted
the
county
commission
to
know
that
we
were
really
grateful
for
dan
esquivel,
who
has
been
very
thorough
on
this.
Application
from
the
very
beginning
has
worked
with
us
extensively.
AH
Looking
for
information
working
closely
with
the
neighbors,
and
we
just
appreciate
the
thoroughness
that
of
his
review
of
this
particular
application,
we
pre.
We
also
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
you
with
the
details
of
our
application.
We
will
present
to
you
that
the
project
complies
with
adopted
growth
policies,
the
chapter
14
and
the
development
review
policies.
AH
G
J
AH
AH
We
will
present
that
we
have
followed
all
chapter
14
application
procedures
for
rezoning
and
subdivision
and
have
followed
established
policies
and
procedures
by
the
land
use
department
regarding
minimum
submittals
and
response
to
city
review
process,
we'll
present
that
we
work
with
the
city
development
review
team
to
address
commons
and
technical
corrections
at
this
preliminary
stage,
the
subdivision
and
will
continue
to
do
so.
As
we
proceed
through
the
development
review
process.
AH
So,
just
to
give
you
another
an
idea
of
what
we'll
be
presenting
to
you
this
evening,
we
will
be
giving
you
an
overview
of
the
development
application,
the
applicable
policies
managing
growth
for
rezoning,
including
the
general
plan,
the
south
central
highway
corridor
protection,
district,
santa
fe
city
code.
We
will
review
with
you
the
preliminary
subdivision
with
innovative
street
design
and
we
will
discuss
with
you
describe
it
to
you,
the
neighborhood
process,
the
communication
process
that
we
followed
with
this
application.
AH
And
so
dan
did
a
really
good
job.
On
some
of
my
slides,
I
presenting
to
you
I'll,
be
very
brief
on
some
of
them.
This
particular
one
is
just
a
vicinity
map.
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
all
familiar
with
the
location
of
the
property.
This
is
an
image
of
old
pequest,
trail
kind
of
in
a
north
south
direction.
AH
West
zia
road
is
on
the
west
side
of
old
pecos
trail
and
east.
The
road
is
on
the
east
side
of
old
peques
trail
at
that
particular
intersection.
Our
property
is
highlighted
here
in
the
light
blue
area.
9.59
acres
of
vacant
land-
that's
just
a
blow
up
this
is
the
google
photo
that
I
just
got
from
the
internet
to
show
the
commissioners
what
the
existing
view
of
the
property
is,
if
you're
standing
now
at
the
intersection
of
old
pecos
trail
and
west
zia
road
looking
south,
as
you
can
see,
the
property
is
vacant.
AH
This
is
a
view
if
you're
standing
from
that
same
location,
looking
down
west,
see
a
road
and,
as
you
can
see,
there
is
west
zero.
There
is
some
vegetation
along
the
right
of
way
there
that
exists,
and
we
will
we'll
be
showing
you
how
we'll
be
dealing
with
with
the
landscaping
design
on
both
ulpiqueus
trail
and
zia.
AH
So
with
that,
just
very
briefly,
the
code
policies
that
we
talked
about
and
your
city
attorney
talked
with
you
about
the
future
land
use
code
code,
section
the
city's
vision
for
the
future
of
santa
fe.
Many
years
ago,
the
city
council
adopted
this
policy
to
guide
uses
to
densities
and
growth
policies,
south
central,
which
is
an
overlay
district,
as
as
dan
mentioned
on
old
peques
trail
saint
francis
driving
i25,
the
santa
fe
city
code,
which
is
residential
standards
to
regulate
subdivisions.
AH
So,
let's
start
with
the
future
language.
The
general
plan,
which
is
you
know,
according
to
your
staff,
the
policy
document,
the
adopted
policy
that
regulates
growth
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,
the
city
adopted
land
use
policy,
specifically
for
the
future,
planned
for
the
specific
future
of
this
parcel.
AH
AH
Designated
within
the
red
and
that
kind
of
yellow
color,
all
of
that,
the
the
general
plan,
the
future
land
use
for
that
was
perceived
to
be
three
to
seven
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
in
fact
the
proposed
density
is
less
than
what
the
general
plan
called
for
and
I'll
briefly
demonstrate
to
you.
What
I
mean
about
that,
so
this
is
a.
This
slide
intends
to
show
you
what
the
project
density
is
in
comparison
to
the
general
plant
density.
AH
So,
with
the
density
on
this
parcel
of
r7,
which
is
the
top
of
the
general
plan,
the
general
plan
policy
says
77
units
can
go
on
this
on
a
9.5
acre
tract
of
land
on
the
low
end
as
an
r3,
you
could
get
20
33
units
on
a
9.59
acre
track.
AH
We
are
proposing
25,
which
actually
works
out
too,
as
dan
mentioned,
as
in
our
two
point,
half
a
point
six,
and
so
we're
actually
less
than
the
general
plan
calls
for,
and
we
agree
with
staff's
interpretation
that
that
we
fit
within
the
general
plan
guidelines,
oh
and
then
just
to
mention.
We
can't
ask
for
an
r
2.6
owning
we
had
to
round
up
to
an
r3.
AH
You
already
know
where
about
the
district
standard,
the
highway
corridor
district
standards.
It
intends
to
provide
a
clear
sense
of
visual
openness
and
continuity
of
development,
as
seen
from
the
old
pecos
trail,
a
continuance
of
the
streetscape
through
the
use
of
landscaping
along
old
piques
trail.
It
wants
to
ensure
that
landscaping
provides
an
attractive,
visual
buffer
compatible
with
the
streetscape
and
the
neighborhood,
and
these
qualities
guided
our
design.
Our
project
to
design.
AH
So
this
is
just
very
briefly
we're
going
to
address
rezoning
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
but
just
very
briefly,
I
wanted
to
say
that
this
is
a
zoning
map
from
your
city.
Gis
data
and
staff
agree
that
the
rezoning
criteria
has
been
met.
AH
We
will
discuss
this
criteria
later
in
the
presentation,
but
we
briefly
wanted
to
mention
that
the
city
zoning
map
excerpt
here
shows
that's
a
substantial
area
on
the
east
side
of
old
pecos
trail,
and
I
can't
see
my
pointer,
but
that
green
area
down
on
the
bottom,
that
is,
that
was
actually
granted
an
r4
zoning
fit
within
the
corridor
standards,
and
it
is
one
density
per
unit.
One
unit
per
acre
density
higher
than
we're
asking
for
on
our
particular
plan.
AH
So
with
that
the
preliminary
subdivision,
some
of
the
attributes
mutes
of
our
subdivision-
this
has
25
lots.
As
you
know,
it's
divided
into
two
clusters
or
too
many
subdivisions
which
I'll
explain
a
little
bit
later.
It
has
one
access
road
with
seven
lots
off
of
wesleya
road
it
that
design
that
access
solves
a
curve
problem
that
you
have
with
the
alignment
of
westia
road
and
I'll
show
we'll
talk
about
that.
A
little
later.
There
is
a
one
access
road
off
the
old
teclas
trail
for
18
lots.
AH
AH
We
have.
Five
of
our
lives
are
dedicated
to
the
affordable
housing
program,
so
we
have
25.
Just
reiterate:
we
have
25
labs
in
this
subdivision
and
five
of
those
will
be
dedicated
to
the
city
of
santa
fe,
for
the
affordable
housing
ordinance
to
meet
the
affordable,
housing
ordinance
and
some
another
feature
is
that
we're
committing
to
single-story
construction.
AH
I'm
going
to
show
this
next
one
here,
it's
a
it's
a
it
serves
purpose,
it
shows
the
subdivision
design
and
it
also
helps
answer
a
question
about
open
space.
This.
This
is
the
layout
of
our
subdivision
flat.
AH
Essentially,
here
you
can
see
our
two
access
points,
one
off
of
westsia
servicing,
seven
lots,
one
off
of
old
pequest
trail
servicing,
18
watts.
This
area
in
green
here
is
the
undevelopable
area,
including
setbacks,
open
space,
the
wildlife
corridor,
and
all
of
that
together
is
at
about
47
of
the
entire
nine
and
a
half
acres.
Of
course,
we're
not
required
common
open
space
as
dan
mentioned,
but
each
of
our
lots
individually
have
a
50
open
space
requirement
and
we're
prepared
to
show
you
that
the
project
will
easily
need
that.
AH
AH
It's
the
six
thousand
square
foot
and
this
green
area
is
actually
it
is
the
sum
of
the
lot
minus
the
forty
percent,
as
dan
mentioned,
including
the
driveway
and
parking
you
can
put
a
2
000
square
foot
home
on
our
6
000
square
foot
lot
and
still
have
a
60
open
space
on
our
smallest
lot
on
our
biggest
slot,
which
is
23,
25
941
square
feet.
AH
With
even
with
the
40
lot
coverage,
including
the
driveway
and
parking
spaces
and
a
7
600
square
foot
home,
you
can
you'll
still
have
60
open
space,
and
so
it's
it's
quite
possible
that
you
know
that's
a
pretty
large
home.
It's
it's
quite
possible
that
whoever
purchases
that
light
may
want.
You
know
a
more
modest
home
which
would
increase
the
open
space.
AH
This
next
drawing
here,
I
added
to
the
presentation
to
show
the
planning
commission
what
what
the
highway
corridor.
75-Foot
setback
looks
like
on
this
on
the
stretch
of
the
old
peques
trail
from
just
north
of
west
zia
down
to
the
south
I-25,
and
so
this
light
blue
the
light
blue
line.
I'm
sorry,
you
can't
see
my
pointer.
The
light
blue
line
represents
the
75-foot
setback
implemented
by
the
south
central
highway
corridor
protection
district
and
our
project
is,
you
can
see
it's
labeled
their
subject.
AH
We
will
be
pulling
back
our
buildings,
75
foot
and
just
like
all
of
our
neighbors
there.
All
of
our
neighbors
do
have
that
75-foot
back
on
the
north
and
the
south
on
the
east
and
west
side,
a
little
pick
with
straw.
There
are
a
few
homes
that
fall
within
the
setback.
We
don't
pretend
to
know
how
that
happened,
but
it
did
and
it's
there
and
that's
fine.
AH
We
will
be
implementing
a
decel
lane
on
the
southbound
lane
of
old
pecos
trail
to
take
a
right
in
to
the
subdivision
onto
old
peppers
estates
place
and
if
you're,
leaving
the
these
18
units
old,
pequot
trill
they'll
have
a
right
out
turn
there.
AH
With
regard
to
the
innovative
street
design,
our
interior
streets,
they
as
dan
won't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this
dan
did
a
wonderful
job
of
presenting
it.
The
the
right,
the
city
codes,
have
a
minimum
width
requirement
for
for
different
street
types.
They
do
allow
us
to
do
the
innovative
street
design,
and
so
what
we've
come
up
with-
and
this
just
want
to
mention
this
typical-
has
been
approved
by
the
city
on
in
many
subdivisions.
AH
Recently,
the
the
this
design
is
46
foot
wide.
It's
a
combination.
It
provides
for
a
combination
of
off
street
parking
and
landscaping
on
one
side
and
a
full
landscape.
I'm
sorry
full
parking
on
one
side,
and
so
the
the
reason
this
is.
We
like
this
design
is
because
it
it
makes
it
easier
for
easier
to
access
a
sidewalk
in
some
areas
where
you
don't
have
to
cross
over
a
landscape
strip
to
get
to
the
sidewalk,
which
could
potentially
cause
a
trip
hazard
or
for
that
sorts
like
that.
AH
Dan
mentioned
that
there
were,
there
was
an
issue,
a
potential
issue
or
concern
or
comment
about
the
access
off
of
west
zia
road
and
we're
we've
been
working
with
a
couple
of
ideas
that
we
would
like
to.
You
know
discuss
with
staff
before
the
final
plot.
AH
We've
had
some
preliminary
discussions
with
the
with
the
wastewater
folks
and
they've.
I
understand
they
like
the
design.
This
is
one
idea
of
creating
a
loop
that
would
create
a
right
turn
off
of
westside
road.
AH
They
talk
about
visual
openness.
They
talk
about
a
continuity
of
development,
as
seen
from
old
pickles
trail
talks
about
a
continuance
of
the
streetscape
through
the
use
of
landscaping
along
the
old
pequest
trail
and
the
use
of
landscaping
as
a
visual
buffer
compatible
with
the
street
and
the
neighborhood,
and
so
we
took
a
view
of
google.
We
took
a
google
map
photo
from
the
same
pretty
much
the
same
location
that
we
showed
that
I
showed
you
earlier.
AH
So
you
can
see
the
site.
You
can
see
it.
It's
it's
at
that
particular
corner
from
westia
road
and
from
old
pecos
trail.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
now
and
we're
and
we're
going
to
do
we're
going
to
in
order
to
comply
with
the
with
the
standards
of
the
the
corridor
standards.
AH
AH
This
is
an
overhead
view,
kind
of
from
the
same
location,
just
a
little
bit
higher
up
just
to
illustrate
that
the
potential
with
the
potential
final
product
of
this
subdivision
might
look
like
these
are
boxes,
they're,
they're,
all
boxes
on
a
map,
they've
got
shade,
they've
got
setbacks,
they've
got
different
planes,
etc.
This
is
just
to
show
that
that
this
is
what
it
could
potentially
look
like
in
the
future.
At
some
point
with
custom
construction
on
there.
AH
P
K
K
P
P
Tia
is
based
upon
the
new
mexico
d.o.t
state
access
management
manual,
the
acronym
for
that
is
affectionately
known
as
sam.
That's
the
guiding
document
for
all
pias
that
serve
state
facilities,
but
it
happens
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
public
works
department
has
also
adopted
sam,
so
we're
forced
to
go
ahead
and
use
their
requirements.
P
P
So
the
first
thing
that
we
did
is
we
had
a
scoping
meeting
as
audra
stated
before
dan
stated
that
we
were
to
count
three
intersections
which
we
did
and
we
did
these
counts
in
november
of
2021
early
in
the
month,
so
the
traffic
counts.
We
do
them
on
tuesdays,
wednesdays
or
thursdays,
because
those
are
the
days
that
are
considered
typical
traffic
days.
P
P
P
The
biggest
neighborhood
concern
is
on
west
zio
road,
and
let
me
see
if
the
point
it
works
right
in
here.
This
is
typically
the
way
that
we
go
ahead
and
show
the
data
the
first
number
well.
First
of
all,
we
count
from
six
in
the
morning
six
in
the
evening
and
for
this
intersection
the
peak
hour
in
the
morning.
That's
the
hour
that
has
the
most
amount
of
traffic
was
from
7
45
to
8
45
in
the
pm.
P
P
P
So
the
next
thing
that
we
do
is
we
do
what's
called
the
capacity
calculation
or
the
intersection,
and
we
do
it
for
the
existing
condition.
First
to
see
what
the
conditions
are
at
the
site.
Now
as
a
result
of
the
e
n
meeting
there
were
concerns
about
our
indirect
left
turns
so
we
counted
two
more
intersections.
P
We
counted
aspel
and
at
the
old
pecos
trail
in
driveway.
So
that's
what
this
table
does
right
in
here
and
the
left
part
of
the
table
is
the
a.m.
The
right
part
of
the
table
is
the
pm
and
then
there's
a
letter
associated
with
that.
That's
the
level
of
service
sometimes
called
l-o-f
and,
as
you
can
see
on
there,
we
have
mainly
a's
b's,
there's
a
few
c's
and
a
few
d's
on
there.
So
for
the
existing
condition
we
have
plenty
of
capacity
out
there.
P
P
P
P
P
But
since
this
is
a
land
use
case,
we
were
required
to
go
ahead
and
do
it
okay.
So
what
are
we
proposing
here?
We're
gonna
have
a
conventional
driveway
on
west
zia,
an
old
pecos
trail.
It's
different.
This
is
an
arterial
street,
so
we've
added
in
the
right
turn
deceleration
lane,
which
is
required
by
sam,
and
the
benefit
of
that
is
that
it
pulls
our
traffic
off
the
mainline
so
that
the
through
movement,
the
arterial
movement,
can
continue
at
a
higher
rate
of
speed.
P
P
So
we
have
a
left
turn
into
the
side.
This
would
be
a
single
stage
movement
right
in
there
and
we
have
a
full
deceleration
lane
so
that
once
again
we
pull
our
slowed
down
traffic
out
of
the
arterial
and
the
arterial
people
can
continue
on
their
very
way
like
they
always
have
and
not
be
burdened
by
our
left
turn
traffic.
P
P
That's
where
a
lot
of
people
want
to
go,
and
we
know
that
based
upon
the
traffic
counts
that
we
have
at
our
intersection.
We
saw
that
a
lot
of
left
turns
a
few
through
movements
and
even
less
right
turns
in
there.
So
this
is
a
scaled
drawing
right
here.
It
shows
the
actual
template
of
a
large
passenger
car
or
truck
standard
passenger
truck
making.
That
left
turn
on
the
on
the
at
the
second
stage
right
there.
So
they
have
two
locations
that
they
could
use
if
they
don't
want
to
turn
on
the
first
one.
P
P
P
Now
that's
used
to
go
ahead
and
determine
what
the
site
generated
traffic
is
so
at
west
zia
road,
which
is
the
main
issue
right
in
here,
we're
adding
three
cars
in
the
am
and
two
cars
in
the
pm
to
the
left.
Turn
movement:
three
cars,
that's
it
that
represents
like
three
cars
that
represents
point
two
percent
of
the
intersection
traffic.
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
A
given
distance,
as
dictated
by
astell
away
from
the
traveling
lane
and
the
height
of
the
driver's
eye,
is
set
to
be
2.5
feet,
representing
a
driver
sitting
in
his
car
at
the
steering
wheel.
Looking
left
then
looking
right,
there
has
to
be
enough
distance
for
both
drivers,
the
driver
on
the
through
lanes
and
the
drivers
coming
out
of
the
driveway.
P
There's
gotta
be
enough
distance
for
them
to
see
other
cars
and
to
be
able
to
come
to
stop
slow
down
or
decide
not
to
make
a
movement,
and
we
on
the
plan
view
we
easily
need
it,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
trees,
especially
not
trees.
They
were
chemisa
bushes,
mainly,
but
they
were
giant.
They
were
big
when
we
went
out
there
and
looked
at
it,
so
those
are
going
to
have
to
be
trimmed
down
and
kept
trimmed
down
throughout
the
life
of
the
project.
P
Then
the
third
dimension,
in
the
analysis,
is
the
vertical.
Now
this
is
a
profile
here
and
what
a
profile
is?
It's
like
a
slice
of
the
earth,
so
the
dashed
line
that
you
see
right
there
is
the
existing
ground.
The
red
line
is
the
site
light.
There's
no
conflicts
there,
except
for
the
vegetation.
That's
going
to
have
to
be
trimmed
we're
good
on
that
we
meet
all
the
requirements
of
ashto
and
sam.
P
We
checked
the
queue
and
we
have
more
than
adequate
capacity.
The
average
queue
that
we
saw
and
the
day
of
the
traffic
council
was
four
cars
in
the
queue
and
we
have
room
for
17.,
the
maximum
that
we
saw,
I
believe,
was
11
cars
and
a
few
which
still
gives
us
plenty
of
queuing
for
the
three
cars
that
we're
going
to
produce
in
the
am
if
they
were
to
come
all
out
at
the
same
time.
P
P
So
then
we
do
the
same
analysis
as
we
did
for
the
implementation
year.
We
look
at
the
no
build
and
we
see
what
happens
when
we
project
that
far
into
the
future,
and
the
only
issue
that
we
have
is
that
e
that
now
has
gone
into
net
or
the
pm
only
for
the
pm
and
that's
based
upon
that
aggressive
growth
rate
in
there
and
that's
without
any
of
our
traffic
being
involved.
P
P
Is
mainly
used
for
planning
purposes,
it
could
be
corrected
by
changing
the
timing,
and
this
is
an
interconnected,
coordinated
system
where,
if
you
change
the
timing
on
one,
you
have
to
change
the
timing
on
everything,
but
as
thing
as
properties
develop
and
as
things
change,
the
timing
should
be
changed
and
periodically
the
city
of
santa
fe
does
re-synchronize
their
traffic
signals.
So
this
is
based
upon
the
existing
timing.
P
So
what
does
the
tia
say
so
for
the
existing
conditions?
We
have
good
conditions
out
there.
We
need
all
operational
requirements
for
the
implementation
here.
Everything
is
good.
We
meet
all
the
operational
requirements
for
the
horizon
here.
We
have
that
one
failure
up
there
and
it's
only
in
the
pmp
tower
side
distance.
We
meet
all
the
side,
distance
requirements
of
the
astro
and
of
the
sam.
Now
astro,
I
didn't
tell
you
what
that
is.
B
Our
office
is
at
421
louisa
street
sweetie,
like
monica
I've,
been
in
the
business
for
more
years,
and
I'd
like
to
suggest
to
mention.
I
started
here
at
in
this
community
working
for
the
city
of
santa
fe.
As
a
city
subdivision
engineer,
I
went
to
the
county
and
ran
the
development
review
division
there
for
a
number
of
years
before
I
started
working
with
my
husband
in
a
consulting
firm
here
in
town
and
we've
been
in
business
for
about
22
years.
B
So
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
innovative
street
design
and
I
and
I
don't
have
my
figures
and
I
could
maybe
flip
back
through
her
stuff,
but
we
started
making
that
design
a
number
of
years
ago.
I
think
when
I
was
getting
frustrated,
pulling
children
out
of
cars
and
running
into
trees
and
bushes,
and
I
just
thought
where
sidewalks
are
located
or
on
where
parking
is
located.
B
There
should
be
sidewalk
immediately
adjacent
if
you're,
trying
to
convince
people
to
park
somewhere,
put
the
put
the
sidewalk
right
adjacent
and
that's
what
this
design
does.
It
doesn't
eliminate
the
number
of
trees
going
into
the
project.
It
doesn't
reduce
the
amount
of
sidewalk.
It
doesn't
change
anything
with
regards
to
standards.
B
It
just
moves
the
location
of
the
sidewalk
and
brings
it
adjacent
to
where
parking
locations
are,
and
we
are
defining
parking
by
putting
out
bump
outs,
which
really
kind
of
confines
where
people
park
unintent
and
that's
totally
intentional,
and
that's
also
something
that's
recommended
in
the
code.
A
lot
of
you
are
fairly
new,
but
the
planning
commission
has
seen
that
innovative
design
several
times.
B
We've
got
it
built
in
many
locations,
and
I
had
the
the
city
public
traffic
engineer,
recommending
a
change
in
code
to
make
that
the
innovative
design
part
of
code-
and
hopefully
that
does
happen
someday,
but
it
hasn't
occurred.
Yet
the
one
thing
I
did
want
to
talk
about
are
free
conditions
that
are
problematic
and
monica.
How
do
I
go
backwards?
I
just
here
we
go
okay,
I
wanted
to
show
you
hirsch,
drawing
42
and
you'll
see
we
show
a
curvilinear
sidewalk
along
old
pecos
trail
across
the
street.
B
There's
a
curvilinear
sidewalk,
there's
a
condition
64
in
exhibit
a
that
is
a
weird
condition.
It
says:
curvilinear
sidewalk
looks
nice,
but
are
inconvenient
for
users.
We
need
direction
from
the
planning
commission,
that's
not
a
strong
condition,
one
way
or
another
saying
make
it
straight.
It's
just
saying
it's
inconvenient
just
to
let
you
know
over
the
years
as
designers
civil
designers
mike
and
I
have
been
directed
by
previous
staff
to
to
do
curvy
linear,
sidewalk,
along
old
pecos
trail.
B
So
there
are
several
projects
that
we
both
did
have
designed
on,
that
roadway
that
have
curvilinear
trail
and
yet
we're
getting
direction.
Now
saying
make
it
straight,
so
we
just
need
direction
from
ul
whether
it
should
be
straight
or
should
be
curvilinear.
We
can
go
either
way,
but
you
know
I
just
I
think
that's
from
just
staff
evolution,
people
leaving
the
city
and
and
people
thoughts
are
coming
in.
B
B
I
have
a
concern
about
that.
The
arroyo
leads
to
a
culvert,
it's
not
a
culvert
designed
for
people
to
go
under.
Also
this
is
you
know
the
the
arroyo
itself
has
got
30
slopes
on
the
sides
of
it.
It
is
not
an
environment
where
I
would
want
to
encourage
people
to
walk.
B
It
is
an
environment.
We.
We
have
left
open
on
purpose
for
wildlife,
because
we
know
wildlife
passes
through
this
area
and
we
want
those
openings
for
the
wildlife
in
our
community.
But
it's
not
something
that
we
think
is
a
wise
idea,
and
so
we're
hoping
you'll
agree
with
us
that
public
access
along
the
arroyo
is
not
appropriate
in
this
project.
Again
it
literally,
you
would
just
end
at
a
culvert
that
you
you
would
have
to
crawl
to
get
through.
You
couldn't
walk
through
it,
so
I
wouldn't.
I
wouldn't
encourage
that.
B
The
other
thing
that
we
object
to
is
in
the
main
report.
It's
condition
number
two.
It
says
walls
and
fences
are
prohibited
within
the
75-foot
setback
code
requires
a
building
setback
of
75
feet.
That's
all
it
says
it
doesn't
say
anything
about
walls
or
fences,
and
if
I
was
going
to
live
there,
I
could
imagine
I
might
want
a
job
run
or
something
in
that
75
setback.
B
AI
AB
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission,
so
with
regard
to
the
meandering
sidewalk,
I
did
talk
with
the
drt
member
and
they
did
fool
that
condition.
I
guess
I
didn't
update
the
memo
in
time.
AB
I
understand
the
condition
and
the
concern
for
the
arroyo.
That's
going
to
be
something
that
the
planning
commission
can
will
need
to
address.
The
staff
is
pretty
adamant
that
we
want
to
continue
to
maintain
that
corridor
openness,
and
we
believe
that,
in
order
to
make
the
intent
that
they
shouldn't.
AD
U
U
Should
you
all
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
this
property
be
re-zoned
from
r1
to
r3,
with
a
development
plan
that
has
an
effective
zoning
of
about
2.6,
just
as
a
a
general
matter
just
up
the
street
on
old
pecos
trail
to
the
north
is
an
r2
pud
property.
That
means
two
units
to
the
acre
across
the
street.
U
You
all
seen
that
same
thing:
rtr2
pud,
the
lots
are
smaller
and
a
pud
is
a
plan
unit
development
which
allows
for
designs
to
be
more
compact,
and
so
I
say
that
because
the
density
that
is
being
requested
by
this
rezoning
is
on
this
basically
10
acre
parcel
9.5.
Something
is
two
units
per
acre
plus
the
affordable
housing
that
is
required
by
the
code.
There's
five
affordable
houses
in
this
development,
they're,
not
contributions
to
some
fund
or
whatever.
There
are
going
to
be
five
affordable
houses
on
this
property.
U
None
of
the
other
properties
in
this
corridor
meet
this
requirement,
and
so
I
bring
that
to
your
attention,
because
when
you're
talking
about
this
corridor
and
the
existing
uses
and
the
effects
that
the
existing
uses
have
had
on
that
neighborhood,
I
don't
know-
maybe
you
all
have
driven
through
there
or
not,
but
you've
seen
the
the
maps.
The
r2
puds
did
not
destroy
this
area.
They
did
not
decimate
the
neighborhood.
In
fact
they
created
value
in
the
neighborhood.
They
brought
diversity
to
the
neighborhood.
That
is
essentially
the
question
in
front
of.
U
Z
U
The
three
criteria
that
the
zoning
code
says
you
have
to
meet
one
of
these
criteria,
a
mistake,
a
changing
condition
or
a
more
favorable
zoning
that
is
in
keeping
with
the
general
plan
or
other
adopted
plans.
So
those
are
one
of
the
three
criteria
that
must
be
met
and
unequivocally
the
last
one
of
those
has
been
met
and
staff
has
agreed
with
that.
What
is
that
criteria
specifically?
U
That
says-
and
I
bring
it
to
your
attention,
because
it
goes
to
the
central
question
that
before
recommending
approval,
any
rezoning,
a
different
use.
Category
is
more
advantageous
to
the
community,
as
articulated
in
the
general
plan
or
other
adopted
city
plans.
So
that's.
The
central
issue
is
an
r1,
the
lowest
density
possible
or
an
r3,
with
a
2.6,
effective
density
with
five
affordable
housing
more
advantageous
to
the
community.
What
is
the
community?
U
That's
not
defined
in
the
code,
but
the
general
plan
is
a
community-wide
document.
It
is
not
a
neighborhood-centric
document,
it
does
not
talk
about
solely
wellness
being
the
community.
It
talks
about
santa
fe
being
the
community.
So
in
determining
what
the
policies
of
the
general
plan
are,
you
must
look
carefully
at
them,
so
the
other
thing
that
is
central
to
a
rezoning
is
that
all
rezonings
must
conform
to
the
general
plan.
U
U
It's
been
there
for
that
number
of
years,
and
if
it's
out
of
date
is
it
out
of
date,
because
the
densities
are
too
low.
What
are
we
experiencing
in
this
in
this
community?
We're
experiencing
a
housing
dearth
and
we
all
know
what
that's
doing
to
prices.
We
all
know
what
it's
doing
to
people's
ability
to
afford
to
live
here.
If
you
look
in
the
general
plan,
one
of
the
most
serious
and
important
articulated
policies
of
the
general
plan
is
infill
and
affordability.
U
This
property
is
designated
by
the
general
plan
in
an
infill
area,
so
it's
designated
as
an
infill
property.
What
is
infill,
what
does
the
code
and
the
general
plan
say
about
infill?
It
says
for
infill
areas.
This
is
right
out
of
the
general
plan,
and
I
quote:
the
city
must
encourage
higher
densities
of
residential
development
that
existing
zoning
often
allows
that's
the
policy
of
the
general
plan
for
infill,
and
why
is
that?
Because
the
general
plan
wants
to
produce
a
diversity
of
housing,
affordability
of
housing
and
that's
the
way
it's
done
is
through
infill.
U
Now,
of
course,
you
all
have
to
struggle
with.
Is
there
inappropriate
infill?
You
know
like
if
someone
was
going
to
do
an
apartment
complex
in
this
corridor
and
say,
hey
77
units
on
this
property
probably
would
be
inappropriate
infill,
but
is
2.6
that
matches
the
other
densities
in
this
area
in
this
corridor
with
affordable
housing,
inappropriate
infill,
that's
a
matter
for
you
all
to
determine,
but
when
you
look
at
the
policies-
and
you
say,
is
it
more
advantageous
to
our
community
to
infill
with
affordable
housing
and
slightly
more
density
than
the
surrounding
neighborhood?
U
U
You're
going
to
hear
a
lot,
probably
about
the
charter,
this,
the
new,
the
city
charter,
as
being
a
guiding
policy
document.
With
respect
to
neighborhoods,
I
submit
to
you
that
the
policy
about
neighborhoods,
if
you
look
at
it,
carefully
talks
about
neighborhoods
in
a
general
sense,
it
does
not
talk
about
a
preservation
in
any
strict
sense
of
any
particular
quality.
It
is
not
a
policy
that
says
between
solely
lumas
and
across
the
street
that
you
could
apply
with
any
meaning
whatsoever.
U
What
the
point
the
the
the
charter
is
clear
on
is
that
the
zoning
ordinances
must
follow
the
general
plan.
This
plan
is
in
effect
it
is
a
wise
plan.
It
promotes
every
policy
that
you
all
have
to
deal
with
over
and
over
and
over
again,
I
submit
to
you
that
staff
has
said
to
you
that
we
meet
the
criteria,
because
when
you
roll
up
your
sleeves
and
you
look
at
the
policies
of
the
general
plan,
you
are
going
to
find
that
this
conforms
to
that.
U
Third
criteria,
which
is
all
of
the
policies
in
the
general
plan,
are,
are
implemented
and
are
more
advantageous
than
keeping
this
property
at
a
r1
zoning.
The
r1
zoning
reduces
the
number
of
houses,
removes
the
possibility
of
for
affordable
housing
on
this
property,
and
I
submit
to
you
it
is
detrimental
now
I
know
you're
going
to
hear
from
a
lot
of
people.
They
don't
want
to
hear
change,
they
don't
want
to
see
change,
and
all
of
us
understand
that
all
of
us
have
had
to
deal
with
that
in
our
lives.
U
U
B
Yes,
I
was
gonna,
I
think
it
concludes
the
applicant's
presentation.
Okay,
I
was
going
to
ask
if
any
of
the
commissioners
had
any
clarification
questions
at
this
point
in
time.
Commissioner,
you
know
follows
thank.
K
U
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
the
city's,
affordable
housing
requirements
have
very
strict
requirements
as
to
with
the
number
of
houses
that
you're
providing.
They
have
to
a
certain
number
have
to
be
in
a
the
low,
the
mid
and
the
higher
range,
and
so
they
will
they
will
match
those
requirements
of
the
code.
Are
you
looking
for
price
points
specifically?
Yes,.
U
So
these
houses,
these
the
houses
that
meet
the
affordable
housing
requirement,
are
based.
Basically
on
this
concept.
You'll
recall,
miss
lad
was
in
front
of
you,
so
I'm
going
to
repeat
a
little
bit
of
what
she
said
and
she
said
that
it's
based
on
the
area
median
income,
a
certain
percentage
of
the
area,
median
income,
it's
and
I
don't
have
the
exact
fears,
but
it's
50,
80
and
100
of
the
area
median
income.
U
So
if
you
have
a
median
income,
you
should
only
be
spending
30
percent
of
your
income
on
a
home
or
your
your
housing,
and
so
whatever
30
percent
of
your
income
will
afford.
That's
how
the
houses
are
priced.
So
you
can
imagine
that
these
houses
that
are
affordable
are
going
to
be
for
people
who
are
working,
families
they're,
going
to
be
teachers,
they're
going
to
be
they're,
not
going
they're
going
to
be
affordable
for
people
who
are
100
percent
of
the
leak
media
income,
80
of
the
median
income
and
50
of
the
median
income.
U
So
those
are
the
general
categories
of
who
would
be
qualify
for
these
homes,
and
then
the
other
element
of
that,
commissioner,
is:
we
have
to
meet
a
size
requirement.
We
can't
just
put:
they
have
to
have
a
certain
number
of
bedrooms.
U
They
have
to
be
a
certain
size
in
each
one
of
those
categories
and
so
they're,
very
strict,
they're,
very
regulated
and
there's
no
wiggle
room
about
how
you
get
it
done
and
they
are
intended
for
working
people
in
the
city
of
santa
fe
who
can't
otherwise
afford
to
live
in
these
areas.
H
You,
madam
chair,
I
have
probably
a
series
of
questions.
Several
questions
mostly
addressed
to
staff,
if
appropriate,
the
applicant
might
need
to
respond
just
so.
I'm
clear
with
our
one
zoning
mrescavel
of
the
height
limitation
here
would
be
what
26
feet.
AB
K
AB
J
H
Thank
you.
Currently,
this
proposal,
being
our
being
a
proposed
r3
zone,
doesn't
require
a
development
plan
per
se
correct.
That
is
correct.
However,.
AB
H
H
I
know
it's
not
staff's
job
to
necessarily
suggest
alternatives,
although
as
a
staffer
years
ago,
I
I
took
it
upon
myself
to
do
some,
so
my
question
would
be
this
in
your
discussions
with
with
the
applicant.
Was
there
a
consideration
of
some
other
zone
options,
knowing
that
context
and
intensity
are
important
considerations,
they're
kind
of
implied
with
with
with
the
rezoning
context
and
intensity?
I
would
look
at,
for
example,
the
the
pud
r2
just
down
the
street.
H
AB
AB
So
we
don't
really
offer
that
as
a
suggestion
unless
they're
having
issues
or
they
wish
to
massage
the
design
standards,
not
to
go
below
the
standards
for
health
safety,
but
to
match
those
standards,
but
maybe
a
different
design
and
that's
what
the
pud
allows.
So,
for
instance,
the
ped
would
have
been
an
option
for
them
if
they
wanted
to
take
that
50
percent
open
space
per
lot
and
maybe
take
it
out
of
the
lot
and
make
it
someplace
else
as
a
much
open
area.
Just
like
the
one.
AJ
AB
Of
of
the
project,
but
they
chose
not
to
do
that,
they
chose
to
maintain
just
a
basic
zoning
criteria.
The
let's
see,
I
think
that
answers
the
first
question.
What
was
your
second
question?
Well,.
H
AC
H
What
I'm
trying
to
get
out
is
say
under
pud
zoning
and
under
our
code,
and
there
is
pud
zoning
along
pickles
trail
in
de
vargas
heights
and
over
at
the
plazas,
wouldn't,
wouldn't
there
be
more
specific
control
over
all
of
those
aspects
that
are.
AB
Yes,
and
no,
it
just
depends
on
what
their
design
is,
since
we
don't
really
design
the
project
for
them.
We
review
it
and
assess
it
against
our
rules
and
regulations.
If
that's
what
their
application
is,
that's
what
we're
going
to
take
in
and
review,
we
don't
dictate
what
they
should
do
or
how
they
should
do
it.
If
there's
a
variety
of
options
available
to
them
within
chapter
14,
it's
up
to
them
to
make
that
choice.
H
Thank
you,
so
it
might.
What
I'm
hearing
is
it's
possible
that
a
pud
might
might
address
in
some
ways
some
of
the
concerns
or
some
of
the
issues
that
the
intent
that
are
there
in
the
intent
with
the
intent
of
the
overlay,
the
highway
corridor
overlay
zone?
Because
you
can
address
design
issues
very
specifically,
for
example,
whereas.
J
With
with
this
r3.
H
Let's
say
let's
say
we
were
to
approve
r3
tonight
and
then
the
property
is
sold.
What
happens
then?
H
AK
AB
For
instance,
they
would
have
that
ability
to
come
in
and
make
that
request.
R3
zoning
isn't
going
to
give
them
that
many
more
dwelling
units
than
they
already
have
when
you
calculate
the
density.
So
what
the
pud
only
offers
them
is
the
ability
to
avoid
variances
that
are
somewhat
hard
to
get
to
begin
with.
The
pud
allows
it
to
happen,
because
the
pd
is
an
overlay
through
the
ordinance
process
that
the
governing
body
approves.
AB
Y
AB
Or
adjacent
to
old
techos
trail,
and
that
would
work
because
it
wouldn't
require
variance
to
go
against
the
ordinance,
because
the
pvd
would
allow
for
that
massaging
of
the
rules.
It
doesn't
weaken
the
rules,
it's
not
against
the
rules.
It's
just
different
from
the
rules
that
follows
the
same
intent
and
that's
what
the
pud
allows
is.
It
allows
for
somebody
to
massage
those
rules.
AB
If
somebody
came
in
with
a
different
design,
it
would
still
have
to
meet
the
same
criteria,
regardless
of
how
many
lots
they
choose,
how
big
of
a
lots
they
choose.
They
still
have
to
meet
the
50
per
lot.
They
still
have
to
meet
the
setback
requirements
they're
still
accessing
on
a
curve.
They
still
have
to
meet
the
same
health
safety
standards
that
this
subdivision
has
to
me.
AB
I
don't
know
how
much
of
an
advantage
a
pud
would
actually
provide
other
than
the
open
space.
To
be
honest,.
H
When
I
look
at
the
plot
as
best
I
could
enlarging
and
whatnot
and
based
on
my
experience,
I'm
really
not
clear
how
many
on-street
parking
spaces
there
are
in
the
18
lots
and
then
the
seven
lots
I
didn't
count
a
whole
lot,
but
maybe
you
or
or
the
applicant
can
clarify.
I
understand
that
every
du
is
going
to
have,
of
course,
they're,
probably
a
two-car
garage
and
and
a
driveway
suitable
for
two
cars
or
maybe
more
but
on-street
parking.
AB
I'd
have
to
defer
to
the
applicant
for
that
design,
because
I
did
I,
since
the
sub
collector,
prosp
or
standards,
offer
two
options.
They're
actually
exceeding
the
requirements
by
offering
on-street
parking,
since
those
lots
are
large
enough
to
handle
additional
parking
within
the
within
the
premises.
The
onstreet
parking.
H
AB
To
that,
so
I
didn't
calculate
that
since
it
was
an
overage
on
my
end
and.
H
The
reason
I
I
express
some
concern
is,
if
you
look
at
this,
unlike
many
neighborhoods
like
where
I
live
in
barrio,
la
canada,
for
example,
you
can't
park
in
front
of
my
house,
which
is
a
special
used,
r5
district
there's
other
places
to
park.
It's
not
prohibited
nobody's
going
to
park
on
pecos
trail.
E
AC
E
AB
The
culvert
is
actually
right
off
of
the
old
peckles
trail.
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
picture
of
the
box
culvert
it's
on
the
north
side
of
that
and
it's
it's-
I
don't
know
three
feet
and
it's
on
the
other
side
on
the
easement
side
of
the
old
pecos
trail,
so
you
could
go
through
and
then
sort
of
climb
up
and
then
get
onto
the
street.
AB
B
To
answer
commissioner
pava's
question:
there
are
13
on-street
parking
places,
three
on
the
north
side,
where
the
seven
lots
are
and
10
on
the
south
side
where
there
are
18
lots
and
to
address
your
question.
Commissioner
lucero
the
around
the
the
culvert
goes
underneath
old
pecos
trail
and
around
that
structure
near
it.
The
d.o.t
has
put
a
bunch
of
fencing
around,
so
it's
very
difficult.
Actually,
we
made
it
the
other
day,
but
not
easily
going
from
the
arroyo
up
to
the
street,
so
it's
really
kind
of
a
dead
end
and
it's
steep
sloped.
B
So
it's
really
very
difficult
on
the
east
end
of
the
arroyo
to
get
out
of
the
arroyo.
The
west
end
is
open
and
we
are
not
intending
to
block
it
in
any
way,
because
we
want
animals
to
be
able
to
get
through.
It's
just
that.
We
don't
want
to
encourage
this
as
something
that
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
would
use,
because
they
literally
would
go
in
and
turn
around
and
come
back
out
and
potentially
damage
a
more
fragile
ecosystem.
Thank
you.
V
AB
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commissioner,
commissioner,
you
know
if
a
purchaser
were
to
accept
the
approvals
and
conditions
of
the
preliminary
and
final
flat
that
was
adopted
by
the
planning
commission.
Then
they're
stuck
with
those
conditions,
regardless
of
who
buys
it.
AB
C
M
M
AB
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commissioners,
commissioner
lawrence,
unfortunately,
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
their
presentation
and
analyze
it
because
that
was
presented
tonight
as
part
of
a
their
wanting
to
meet
the
condition.
B
I
have
a
question:
would
the
applicant
be
willing
to
put
on
the
plot
that
building
is
limited
to
one
story.
U
We
have
no
problem
with
that
and
we
have
no
problem
with
what
just
to
make
clear
about
the
open
space
we
intend
to
meet
dan's
condition
and
the
concern
that
he
has
and
demonstrate
that
to
your
all
satisfaction.
So
it's
not
an
issue
for
us
and
it
will
be
proved
to
you
and
to
dan's
satisfaction,
and
we
will
put
that
on
the
plot.
The
one-story
requirement.
Okay,.
AA
B
Okay,
we
will
move
on
to
public
comment.
We'll
first
take
public
comment
of
the
public.
That's
here
then
we'll
take
public
con
comment
by
zoom,
and
I
understand
that
a
number
of
individuals
have
who
have
two
minutes
to
speak.
Have
given
their
time
two
others
and
is
my
boy
you
want
to
address
how
that
will
be
done.
B
I
AJ
AJ
B
Okay,
let's
be
in
session
everyone
quiet,
please
it's
going
to
be
a
long
night.
F
Thank
you,
chair
clown
members
of
the
commission,
the
intent
we
we
understand
that
a
number
of
individuals
would
like
to
consolidate
their
time.
We
generally
the
the
commission,
allows
two
minutes
per
individual
and
in
order
to
allow
for
longer
communication,
a
number
of
the
public
would
like
to
see
their
time
to
individuals
to
consolidate
that
time.
F
What
we
would
ask,
if
you
are
doing
that,
please
step
forward
state
your
intentions
with
the
consolidation,
the
names
of
the
people
who
are
seeding
their
time
to
you,
and
then
we
need
them
to
be
identified
in
a
room
or
on
zoom
and
for
the
record,
and
when
we
figure
that
out,
we
will
say
you
have
10
minutes.
You
have
12
minutes,
you
know
whatever
the
the
time
is
calculated
based
on
the
number
of
individuals
seating
their
time.
C
B
AM
D
D
AN
AD
B
AL
B
Y
Y
G
AN
AN
Okay,
where
do
I
start,
I'm
a
native
of
santa
fe
on
my
father's
side
since
the
founding
of
this
town
and
on
my
mother's
side
for
six
centuries,
I've
been
around
the
block
for
a
while,
and
I
have
42
years
experience
as
a
university
professor
teaching,
the
history
of
this
very
place
and
new
mexico
and
the
southwest
and
mexico
and
latin
america
and
spain.
So
I
have
a
little
bit
of
a
background.
AN
Anyway,
I
am
submitting
this
film
clip
that
you
were
to
see
and
my
testimony
in
opposition
to
the
applicant's
rezoning
request.
AJ
AN
AN
AN
This
film
clip
is
in
no
way
a
substitute
for
the
site
visit
requested
by
mr
throne
to
the
commission
in
his
april.
14
comments
to
the
commission
included
in
your
packet,
this
road,
the
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor,
and
the
road
itself
is
a
national
historic
trail,
a
national
historic
trail
folks,
just
like
the
el
camino
real
and
just
like
the
old
spanish
trail
here
and.
K
AN
AN
So
so
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
show
it
and
once
again
to
me
after
seeing
the
plaque,
this
infill
is
over
filled.
K
AC
B
B
And
I
believe
we're
not
allowing
handouts,
you
can
refer
to
them
when
you're
speaking
and
you
can
show
them,
but
we're
not
allowing
handouts.
K
AL
B
You
you
can
put
it
on
the
screen
and
you
can
discuss
it
and
show
it
as
we're
just
not
taking
additional,
and
you
know
be
aware
that
the
public
written
comments
were
probably
about
350
pages
and
rest
assured.
We
looked
at
all
of
them.
We
read
all
of
them,
so
we've
seen
those
so,
mr
bell,
you
can
refer
to
it.
We
can
put
it
on
the
screen.
B
AA
B
And
in
the
meantime,
could
you
tell
us
who's
conceding
their
time
and
then
they
can
stand
up
and
your
time
has
not
started
yet
so.
AL
AD
AL
There
are
the
following
others
who,
earlier
in
the
day,
who
should
be
present
either
personally
or
by
zoom,
have
given
their
two
minutes
to
me.
Also
mark
gate,
g-a-I-t,
diana
mckennis
donna,
ray
peth
p-e-t-h
bob
joseph
and
sally.
AL
F
B
You
that's
five
people
is
that
correct,
so
five
people
plus
the
speaker
speaker,
so
that's
12,
minutes.
Okay,
mr
bell,
you
can
start.
AL
All
right,
I'm
going
to
start
with
general
comments,
and-
and
I
am
president
of
the
old
santa
fe
association,
and
so
I
am
presenting
our
support
to
the
objecting
neighbors
to
the
rezoning
and
our
organization
is
strongly
supporting
their
objection
and.
K
AL
J
AL
Century-Old
preservation
organization,
which
is
one
of
if
not
the
oldest
such
organization
in
the
u.s,
our
mission,
is
to
preserve
the
historic,
architectural
and
cultural
components
of
santa
fe.
A
city
that
five
years
ago
was
awarded
the
unprecedented
and
one-time
award
by
the
national
geographic
for
having
the
strongest
sense
of
place
of
any
city
on
the
planet.
Y
AL
That
places
a
large
responsibility
for
all
of
those,
including
members
of
this
commission,
charged
with
the
guiding
development
of
this
precious
place.
I
would
also
note
that
a
key
part
of
our
sense
of
place
is
the
extraordinarily
beautiful
landscape
in
which
santa
fe
sits
and
its
beautiful
views
towards
the
mountains,
as
well
as
the
native
vegetation
and
wildlife.
AL
It
is
this
environment
and
heritage
that
propelled
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
its
citizens
to
create
a
number
of
protected
entry
corridors
which
were
the
result
of
great
deal
of
hard
work
and
broad
consensus
in
the
community.
It's
shocking
to
see
the
attitude
that
these
special
corridors
will
be
disregarded
to
serve
the
interests
of
development.
AL
Essentially,
the
city
is
advocating
its
responsibility
to
implement
more
formally.
These
corridors
it
among
the-
and
this
is
among
the
best,
preserved
and
historically
important,
being
the
old
pegasus
trail,
which
has
a
legacy
of
at
least
1200
years
of
indigenous
traffic
between
pecos
pueblo
and
what
is
now
known
as
santa
fe
and
on
which
route
we
modern
people
continue
to
travel.
AL
Now
that
santa
fe
has
sprawled,
we
are
endeavoring
to
assist
neighborhoods
throughout
the
city
and
their
goals
of
maintaining
their
integrity
and
to
see
that
the
city
is
responsive
to
its
citizens,
not
just
developers
on
behalf
of
the
old
santa
fe
association
and
many
others
in
the
community.
I
urge
you
to
deny
this
rezoning
request,
which
would
triple
the
prescribed
density
and
have
a
marked
effect
on
the
visual
impact
of
the
to-date
well-preserved
scenic
order
along
old
pecos
trail.
This.
E
AL
All
the
citizens
of
santa
fe
who
travel
it
as
well
as
the
untold
numbers
of
visitors
who
pass
through
it
and
have
their
first
impression
of
the
city
different.
To
that
end,
we
have
prepared
several
visual
exhibits,
which
I
will
now
present,
which
will
assist
the
commissioners
and
seeing
what
visual
impact
of
the
pro's
proposed
development
will.
AL
K
AL
AL
AL
E
AL
Y
AL
AL
As
taken
from
the
city's
geographic
information
system,
they
are
shown
at
a
height
of
19
feet,
four
inches,
which
is
based
upon
the
applicant's
request
on
sheet
two
and
then
the
company
report
as
eighteen
feet,
plus
parapets
the
building
masses
are
placed
on
each
slot
at
the
lowest
natural
grade
adjacent
to
the
building
mass.
On
that
lot,
the.
AN
AL
Proposed
trees
are
included
in
the
two
images.
The
location
of
the
proposed
trees
shown
comes
directly
from
the
applicant's
landscape
plan
sheet
26
of
40..
It
should
be
noted
that
the
number
of
existing
trees
to
remain
as
speculative,
though
as
the
applicant
intends
to
remove
significant
number
of
existing
trees.
AL
The
unknown
effect
of
the
landscape
plan
on
the
effective
screening
of
future
structures
amounts
to
another
of
the
troubling
ambiguities
contained
in
the
applications
of
this
sort,
particularly
one
located
along
one
of
santa
fe's,
most
well-preserved
and
beautiful,
remaining
entry
corridors,
a
topographic
analysis
of
the
relative
elevations
of
old
pegasus
trail
to
those
of
likely
building
pants
on
those
slots
abunding
the
75-foot
setback
that
would
be
lots.
1,
2,
3,
8,
22,
23
and
25
show
the
difference
in
pad
elevations
to
be
between
approximately
four
feet
for
lot.
AL
Building
pads
range
from
between
10
feet
and
14
feet
below
the
old
pegas
trail,
resulting
in
a
possible
height
above
the
road
at
between
five
feet
and
nine
feet.
The
conclusion
is
that
there
would
be
a
significant
exposure
of
the
buildings
on
these
lots
and
obstruction
of
these
from
the
old
vegas
trail,
thereby-
and-
and
I
would
note
that
the
indication
on
the
the
site
plan
we
have
very
conservatively
indicated
structures
of
on
the
smaller
lots
at
1500
square
feet
and
on
the
larger
lots
of
2000
ms
montoya
is
projecting
up
to.
AL
I
think
she
said
7600
square
feet,
so
the
the
reality
would
be
that
the
impression
of
these
structures
could
be
hugely
greater
than
what
we
have
conservatively
projected.
I'd.
Also
note
these
renderings
do
not
show
the
fencing
those
contemplated
as
they
were
prepared
prior
to
late
last
friday,
when
staff
first
indicated
there
would
be
a
fencing
condition.
AL
So
in
page
two
of
staff's
report,
which
is
condition
of
preliminary
plot
approval,
number
two
states
that
the
owners
of
closest
sold
pecos
trail
will
be
allowed
to
install
walls,
fences
along
the
75-foot
setback
of
a
design
top
such
as
wood
split
rail,
fencing
to
address
the
intent
of
the
general
plan
of
the
old
pegas
trail
scenic
corridor.
AL
I
mean
there,
you
have
an
acknowledgement
of
the
scenic
corridor,
that's
snaps
words.
Such
fencing
would
also
diminish
the
existing
visual
character
of
this
section
of
the
corridor
from
the
perspective
of
community
users
on
old
biggest
trail.
It
is
not
shown
in
this
rendering,
since
it
was
not
addressed
until
after
we
prepared
this
preparedness,
rendering
just
a
few
other
comments
that
were
not
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
come
up
here
to
to
present,
but
all
developers
are
always
trying
to
sell
things
on
the
basis
of
hey.
AL
We've
got
this
great
new,
affordable
housing,
and,
let's,
let's
face
it,
this
city
desperately
needs
affordable
housing.
It's
unfortunate
that
most
of
the
apartments
that
are
being
built
provide
for
none
because
of
the
fee
in
lieu.
I
cannot
derive
from
the
comments
made
by
ms
montoya.
AL
AL
K
AL
I'm
not
aware
of
any
specific
detail
as
to
how
that
is
going
to
be
implemented.
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is
ms
montoya
was
tonight
and
in
the
paper
yesterday
quoted
as
saying
that
there
will
be
architectural
or
design
restrictions.
However,
it
is
not.
There
is
no
hoa
documents
that
have
been
prepared.
That
would
actually
control
that.
AL
AL
F
Here
klaue,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
we
were
able
to
identify
another
individual
that
he
had
mentioned
on
zoom,
and
so
we
added
the
additional
two
minutes
to
that
time.
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
C
What
I'm
going
to
do
is,
after
we
figure
out
how
many
people
this
person
is
representing,
I'm
going
to
send
a
sign
up
sheet
down
the
line,
so
folks
can
actually
sit
down
and
then
we'll
call
you
sequentially.
AF
Good
evening,
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
bruce
throne.
I
originally.
AF
To
there's
more
but
since
then
the
additional.
AF
AF
K
AF
K
AF
B
Certainly
saw
him
I'm
going
to
defer
to
the
assistant
city
attorney.
L
I
don't
sure
if
they
are
on
zoom
or
in
attendance.
We
can
count
them
as
being
here,
but
this
is
when
the
public
comment
is.
I
understand
that
it's
late,
but
that's
when
it
is
so
they.
AM
B
Yeah,
if,
if
there
are
other
people
here
now
that
have
not
spoken,
that
want
to
concede
their
time,
we
will
we.
B
Don't
we
finish
the
names
and
stay
standing,
miss
campbell?
Can
you
stand
back
up?
Okay,
so
go
ahead
and
then,
when
your
name's
called
stand
up
and
then
we'll
get
the
names
of
the
other
people
that
want
to
concede
time.
AF
K
AF
B
So
there
are
additional
people
that
want
to
concede
time.
If
so,
can
the
ones
that
were
called
sit
down
and
then
can
the
new
ones
stand
up
and
then
you
just
need
to
state
your
names.
AF
E
AF
AF
B
Let's
not
confuse
it,
if
maybe
other
people
in
line
it
aligns
the
line.
Maybe
other
people
in
line
will
go
ahead
and
let
you
cut
the
line.
AF
AD
AF
AF
AF
The
past
46
years,
I'm
testifying
today
in
opposition
to
the
applicant's
rezoning
request,
and
I
appreciate
if
your
time
keeper
could
tell
me
if
I
have
one
minute
left,
I
need
that
before
I
address
the
substantive
issues,
I
think
that
I
raised
today.
I
want
to
just
object
for
the
record
to
the
commission's
parent
decision
to
deny
my
june
21st
motion
intervene
and
request
to
be
allowed
to
cross-examine
witnesses
for
the
applicant
and
staff
at
this
hearing.
AF
AF
By
affected
persons
to
intervene
and
quasi-judicial
proceedings,
I've
discussed
that
motion
recently
with
city
attorney
mccherry
and
informed
her
that
I
believe
the
city's
attorney
position
in
this
regard,
which
she
acknowledges
never
been
approved
by
the
governing
body
or
adopted
by
any
existing
city
ordinance
or
rules
that
a
member
of
the
community
must
have
a
property
interest
to
cross-examine.
The
applicant
or
staff
commission
quasi-judicial
pre-proceedings.
AF
With
new
mexico
appellate
decisions
and
precedent
that
I
bring
that
noted
I'll
move
on
prior
to
today's
hearing,
I
submitted
numerous
written
comments
to
mr
esquivel
and
the
city's
land
use
division
staff
contesting
certain
factual
assertions
by
the
applicant
in
his
application.
His
traffic
impact
analysis
and
other
supporting
documents,
including
a
24-page
letter.
AF
On
april
14
2022,
which
should
be
in
your
packet
and
those
detail,
the
factual
and
legal
basis
for
my
opposition
to
this
zoning
request,
since
some
of
those
comments
were
not
included
in
exhibit
f
to
staff's
july
15
report,
I
did
email
them
to
staff
and
ms
moore
email
me
back
that
they
would
be
included
in
the
commission's
packet.
So
I
assume
you
have
that.
AA
AF
E
AF
You
to
review
and
consider
those
comments
after
I
took
the
time,
probably
more
than
250
hours
of
my
time
since
the
applicant
first
conducted
its
december
9th
enn
meeting
to
review
all
of
the
applicants
and
the
staff
submissions
regarding
these
applications,
including
the
200
page
traffic
impact
analysis.
This
entirety
that
was
submitted.
AF
Due
to
my
30-year
residence
on
west
sea
road,
I
have
personal
knowledge
of
the
facts
about
the
impacts
of
the
appellant's
rezoning
request
stated
in
those
prior
written
comments
which
dispute
assertions
in
the
applicant's
application
report
and
staff
report
regarding
applicant
satisfaction
of
the
requirement
in
the
city
code.
That.
K
T
K
K
AF
I
want
to
emphasize
up
front
that
my
testimony
today
not
only
addresses
the
impacts
of
this
resonating
request
on
the
benefits
of
the
ol
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor,
as
recognized
expressly
in
the
1999
general
plan.
As
one
of
its
themes
and
in
city
resolution
number
2015-92
to
the
santa
fe
community
at
large.
AF
J
AF
AF
But
they're
part
of
this
community
they
should
not
be
ignored
prior
to
moving
to
my
home
on
wesley
road.
J
AF
The
reason
I'm
and
I'm
also
a
past
member
of
the
old
santa
fe
association
board
of
past
president
of
that
board
and
a
member
of
the
past
member
of
the
neighborhood
law
center
for
quite
a
few
years,
and
I
tell
you
that
at
the
outset,
because
due
to
the
living
in
this
in
those
other
areas
of
the
city
and
based
on
those
past
board
memberships,
I
gained
a
greater
appreciation
of
the
character,
benefits
and
concerns
of
different
neighborhoods
and
community
assets
in
different
parts
of
santa
fe
than
I
would
have
had.
Otherwise.
AF
One
of
the
reasons
I
asked
for
on
april
14th
in
my
letter
that
there
be
a
site
visit,
because
I
don't.
AF
AF
AF
AF
And
the
applicant
actually
has
had
a
purchase
agreement
which
is
contingent
on
the
city
approving
this
rezoning
request.
So
in
my
view,
this
is
a
bit
of
land.
AF
The
purpose
and
intent
of
the
city's
e
m
process,
the
city
co
in
the
city
code,
is
to
give
neighborhood
residents
an
opportunity
to
express
their
concerns
about
these
sorts
of
land
use
applications
to
the
developer
at
an
early
stage
before
he
spends
a
lot
of
time
and
money
to
proceed
with
his
proposals.
So
the
developer
can
try
to
address
those
concerns.
J
AF
The
applicant's
planner
miss
montoya
showed
participants
at
that
meeting,
a
proposed
plan
that
she
described,
as
quote
alternative
three
close
quote,
consisting
of
22
laws.
Most
of
the
participants
at
that
e
m
meeting
objected
to
that
proposed
density
based
on
his
r3
zoning
proposal
and
various
concerns
that
were
raised
at
that
first
meeting
at
the.
AF
Of
the
city's
enn
process
as
part
of
that
process,
I
also
spoke
directly
to
the
applicant
mr
anistor,
on
january,
4th,
before
the
second
dnn
meeting
and
expressed
my
concerns
about
his
proposal
with
r3
rezoning
and
asked
if
he
would
consider
withdrawing
that
proposal
and
consider
something
less.
He
said
he.
AF
I
also
asked
him
during
that
call
if
he
would
meet
with
me
near
the
site
of
the
property
on
westside
road,
where
he's
proposing
an
entrance
to
seven
of
the
lots
of
the
subdivision.
So
I
could
better
explain
to
him
my
concerns
about
the
plan's
impact
on
pedestrian
bicyclist
and
motorist
safety
at
that
location.
J
AF
Hours
because
I
come
back
from
when
I
work
out
el
gancho,
I
come
back
there
during
the
peak
hours
and
the
sun
is
low
when,
when
the
students
from
st
michael's
high
school
are
running
along
that
road,
because
that's
the
route,
they
think
I've
watched
the
students.
I've
watched
older
people,
I've
watched
people
pushing
kids
and
carriages
literally
stumbled
to
the
side
of
the
road
to
avoid
the
traffic
close
to
the
25
miles
an
hour
that
people
shoot
across
that
road,
particularly
people
who
don't
live
there.
K
AF
AF
H
AF
K
AF
AF
It's
not
surprising
that
the
applicant
proceeded,
despite
that
community
input
to
propose
rezoning
the
property
to
r3,
to
allow
him
to
develop
it
into
25
lots
as
early
as
august
21st
before
the
applicant
conducted
any
of
his
enn
meetings.
Responding
to
a
query
by
ms
montoya
regarding
what
rezoning
and
density
staff
would
support.
A
member
of
the
city's
land
use
development
staff.
AF
Through
a
public
records
request
and
as
mr
isabel
testified
at
the
commission's
recent
hearing
on
the
votel
road
rezoning
because
the
applicant
pays
the
fee
to
the
city
to
to
process
his
application
staff
apparently
interprets
its
role
as
and
I'm
quoting
from
his
testimony,
which
I
monitored
on.
That
date
quote
to
work
with
the
applicant
quote
and,
to
quote:
do
our
best
to
help
the
applicant
along
and
achieve
their
goals
just
like
we
would
approve
a
building
permit.
AF
Troubling
available,
in
this
case,
regarding
staff's
apparent
removal
sometime
after
january
28th
2022
of
hash
marks,
designating
the
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor
on
the
currently
posted
version
of
the
city's
future
land
use
map,
it's
relied
on
by
staff
and
by
the
applicant
to
support
his
rezoning
request
as
soon
as
shown,
by
exhibit
c
to
those
comments
that
I
submitted,
mr
esquibel
informed,
former
city
councilor
hives.
I
believe
is
here
last
friday
that
he
was
the
person
who
directed
staff
to
remove
that
designation
from
that
map.
AF
Because
of
mr
esquibal's
words,
there
was
no
ordinance
requiring
close
quote
that
designation
with
respect.
I
would
submit
to
the
commission
that
staff
had
no
authority
to
remove
that
designation
and
that
explanation
by
mr
esquibel
is
actually
contrary
to
the
1999
general
plan,
which
expressly
defines
and
addresses
the
protection
of
the
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor
as
one
of
its
themes
that
staff
explanation
also
is
contrary
to
the
limited
preliminary
plat
approval
condition.
Number
two.
AF
AE
AF
By
by
resolution,
not
by
ordinance
and
that
plan
does
define
this
corridor,
these
problems
with
staff's
process
and
report
I
would
submit,
are
among
the
many
reasons
why
staffs
report
does
not
objectively
reasonably
and
adequately
support
staff's
recommendation
that
the
commission
approve
the
applicant's
rezoning
request
turning
out
of
the
criteria
for
those
for
that
approval.
As
you
know,
pursuant
to
section
14-3.5
c1a.
AF
AF
By
the
plazas
and
you'll
see
that
the
r2
pud-
which,
of
course,
is
pursuant
to
a
specific
provision
in
the
code
to
allow
over
a
certain
period
of
time,
consisting
planned
unit
developments
within
the
unit
that
that
is
pretty
much
hidden,
all
the
homes
that
are
hidden
from
vision
and
do
not
interfere
with
the
visual
character
of
the
old
papers
trail
state
corridor.
The
same
is
true,
as
quail
run
just
drive
by
that's.
AF
K
AF
Oddly,
at
page
22
of
staff's
report,
instead
of
addressing
this
second
criteria,
staff
states-
and
I
quote-
there
is
a
conflict
between
the
general
plan-
future
land
use
map
and
existing
zoning.
This
occurred
as
a
result
in
a
change
in
policy
for
the
area,
as
it
reflects
residential
development
and
residential
density.
The
request
for
rezoning
aligns
the
proposed
density
of
r3
with
the
city's
general
plan.
Future
land
use
policy
of
low
density
for
three
to
seven
dwelling
units
per
acre,
adopted
in
1999,
close
quote
with
respect
again
staff's
response.
AF
AF
AF
If
you,
if
you,
if
you
focus
on
the
old
pecos
trail
scenic
quarter
and
its
benefits,
really
we've
we've
very
strongly.
Not
not
the
only
one
have
disputed
the
factual
contentions
by
the
applicant
and
by
staff
that
you
saw
the
rendering
I
mean
the
rendering,
by
the
way,
those
that
rendering
shows
buildings
with
a
height.
K
I
AF
I
AF
AF
Let
me
just
because
I
with
my
time
I
have
left
oh,
I
want
to
also
point
out
that
on
this
traffic
impact
analysis,
I
went
through
the
whole
200
page
plus
traffic
impact.
Now
it's
not
just
the
executive
summary
and
you
may
say:
well
you
know,
mr
throwing
you're,
not
a
traffic
engine.
There
are
you
no,
but
I
spent
over
40
years
addressing
complicated
plans
offered
by
pnm
and
other
big
utilities.
AF
AF
AF
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
the
a
couple
other
points.
AF
AF
Are
they
going
to
be
for
this
community,
a
property
adjacent
to
this
property
sold
for
840
000
a
few
weeks
ago,
and
you
know.
AF
AF
AF
Mind
up
about
that.
Let
me
just
conclude,
then,
by
saying
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission.
AF
AF
These
applications-
my
answer-
is
twofold.
First,
based
on
my
prior
law
practice,
I
understood
from
the
get-go
unless
someone
in
this
community
spent
a
lot
of
time,
reviewing
the
details,
the
applicant's
application
applicable
code
provisions
and
and
the
details
that
none
of
the
community
would
be
able
to
even
understand
what
was
going
on,
and
the
second
reason
is,
I
don't
know
how
long
I'm
going
to
be
on
the
planet,
but
I
do
know
this.
If
you
approve
this
rezoning,
I
feel
the
responsibility
of
the
santa
fe
community
do
something
after
I'm
gone.
AE
AI
K
O
O
O
B
O
O
B
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
have
names
bob
thornberg
and
dan
trell
or
jen
cottrell.
I
only
need
six
minutes.
Okay,.
AA
O
If
they're
here
total,
if
will
you
give
me
if
I
can
get
two
people
to
donate,
that
would
be
great
okay,.
K
O
B
O
B
B
B
N
B
B
G
B
B
B
O
B
M
O
B
Anyway,
I
found
it
very
interesting.
The
point
is
the
future
land
mass
should.
Y
AK
I
think
it
important
that
this
commission
recognizes
that
the
matter
before
tonight
is
of
importance
not
just
to
the
neighborhood
it
affects
directly
but
to
the
entire
city.
This
is
a
matter
of
long-range
planning
going
back
to
1912,
when
our
foresighted
leaders
decided
that
the
only
way
for
santa
fe
to
be
successful
was
to
emphasize
its
history.
Architecture
and
identity
were
directly
connected
to
its
authenticity,
its
integrity,
its
past,
its
unique
mixture
of
three
cultures
and
the
beginnings
of
what
is
what
would
become
an
art
colony.
AK
AK
AK
I
assume
I
do
not
need
to
describe
the
loveliness
of
serbios
road
as
a
greeting
to
one
and
all
how
it
conveys
our
unique
heritage
and
sensibility
to
the
city's
discredit.
This
second
entrance,
saint
francis
drive,
is
planned
to
be
ruined
for
good
by
the
building
of
tall
dense
view
blocking
apartments
from
interstate
25.
Our
last
entrance
is
old.
Pecos
trail,
the
last
unspoiled
entrance.
AJ
S
I
really
almost
hate
to
follow
that
prose
very
well
done.
I
was
not
going
to
originally
testify
tonight.
I
was
going
to
see
time
to
bruce,
but
a
couple
of
issues
were
kind
of
on
my
mind
as
I
came
in
here
and
then
a
couple
more
rays
during
some
earlier
presentation,
a
former
u.s
president,
now
deceased
said
it's
the
economy
stupid
and
to
which
I
would
say
in
today's
context.
It's
the
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor
old
pecos
trail
scenic
quarter,
keep
your
eye
on
that,
I'm
obviously
not
supporting
zoning
requests
of
the
applicant.
S
S
Another
issue
that
really
drove
me
to
want
to
speak
tonight
is
I
originally
penned
a
letter
january
14th
to
donna
wynette
and
to
miss
montoya
and
then,
when
she
retired,
that
she
being
donna
wynette
and
mr
esquivel
came
on,
ask
that
we
resubmit
everything.
So
I
resubmitted
it
again,
and
then
I
found
out
that
my
january
14th
letter
was
not
in
your
packet
tonight
and.
AJ
S
So
I'm
just
hoping
that
my
rights
for
providing
written
comment
tonight
that
those
rights
weren't
abrogated
in
any
way
by
my
letter,
not
being
in
your
packet,
some
major
issues.
I
think
that
are
before
you
are.
You
need
to
abide
the
old
pecos
trial
scenic
corridor.
I
would
encourage
you
to
think
long
and
hard
about
that.
I
also
think
that
the
tia,
which
in
my
world
was
pre-stroke,
that's
a
trans-ischemic
attack,
but
we'll
call
it
the
traffic
analysis
and
I
am
on
the
board
at
christa,
st
vince
at
the
foundation
board.
S
Okay,
that
it's
highly
fought
remember
the
date
that
was
given
to
you.
The
traffic
study
was
done
november
of
21
coveted.
We
have
many
people
in
our
neighborhood
who
are
telecommunicating
telecommuting
from
home
students
at
home,
who
are
driving
students,
16
17
18
year
olds
at
st
michaels.
The
traffic
was
artificially
low
in
that
study.
S
And
my
final
comment
and
concern
is
about
in
the
traffic
study
as
well.
The
s-curve
that
was
put
on
the
board
that
the
sight
lines
are
okay,
I
would
hazard
to
guess
that
miss
campbell
says
it's
more
than
chemisa.
In
that
sight
line
going
west,
there
are
two
very
tall
pinyon
trees
on
their
property
that
impede
that
sight
line
going
left.
S
I
strongly
suggest
you
all
take
a
field
trip
out
there,
as
prior
people
have
said,
and
then
another
set
of
residents
on
zia
road,
I'm
at
120
westia
road.
I
may
have
forgotten
to
say
that
they
have
had
to
put
up
traffic
posts
with
reflectors
on
that
very
dangerous
s-curve
because
they
have
found
yard
cars
in
their
yard.
C
C
Yeah
certainly
write
your
name
an
address
for
the
record.
Please
you.
T
Good
evening,
commissioners,
thank
you
so
much
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
about
this,
to
address
you
and
to
address
my
concerns,
I'm
not
opposed
to
development.
I
expect
change
and
I
fully
expect
this
lot
to
be
developed
someday
without
development.
We
don't
have
a
place
to
live
in
santa
fe
and
our.
T
For
the
record
that
I
think
that
monica's
done
a
very
good
job
in
you
know
communicating
with
us
and
pulling
together
your
presentation,
I'm
also
a
retired
physicist,
so
I
never
get
bored
of
looking
at
the
numbers.
Michael,
never
you
know
and
yeah,
and
it's,
but
it's
also
it's
so
it's
important
to
ask
yourself
not
only
how
are
the
numbers
generated,
but
when
and
I'm
also
particularly
personally
interested
in
scale.
T
For
example,
if
you
were
to
look
at
the
google
maps
photographs
that
monica
presented
it
gives
you
this
impression
that
we
have
this
expansive
space
that
we're
talking
about
and
that
that
curve
down
the
road
is
really
a
great
distance
away.
But
it's
not
so
I'm
going
to
just
use
my
time
to
ask
you
a
few
questions,
something
that
you
need
to
consider
when
you're
arbitrating.
T
So
you
know
consider
that
these
guest
homes
could
be
a
possibility
and
that
there's
nothing
prohibiting
that
unless
you
actually
at
a
minimum.
You
know
I
would
recommend
that
you
make
sure
that
a
guest
house
is
not
part
of
the
development
package.
T
The
the
second
larger
question
I
have
is:
have
you
actually
examined
this
traffic
study
and
do
you
believe
that
their
conclusions
are
actually
relative
to
this?
This
decision?
You
know
this
was
done
during
covet
and,
as
paula
mentioned
just
before
me,
people
a
lot.
A
lot
of
people
in
our
neighborhood
were
staying
home.
T
You
know
schools
were
teaching
through
telecommunications
and
so
on,
and
I
want
to
note
that
the
dot
standards
for
traffic
and
whether
things
are
relevant
or
not
were
not
developed
during
coding.
They
were
developed
before
that.
C
T
Thank
you
and
you
know,
can
you
imagine
people
backing
out
of
that
lot?
You
know
that
was.
T
That
were
presented,
and
we
have
no
idea
whether
that's
only
going
to
happen
or
not.
Can
you
imagine
people
backing
out
of
that
lot
with
people
parked
on
this
on
the
street?
In
that
lot,
you
know.
I
also
want
to
add
that
the
line
of
sight
that
michael
mentioned
does
not
actually
take
into
account
the
new
homes
and
the
new
landscaping
that
they
propose
to
to
add
there
so
and
these
u-turns.
T
T
So,
if
you
believe
this
do
you
believe
and
then
finally,
I
want
to
make
a
point
for
the
last
gentleman
who
spoke.
Do
you
really
believe
that
this
development
would
have
a
measurable
impact
on
affordable
housing,
with
only
five
units
mentioned
and
no
idea,
you
know
who
would
own
them
and
so
on?
You
know
we're
talking
about
properties
that
would
probably
be
at
a
minimum
half
a
million
dollars.
So
who
will
afford
that?
You
asked
that
question
earlier
and
I
I
really
praise
you
for
that.
T
You
you
know,
I
really
that's.
That
was
the
main
points
that
I
wanted
to
make.
I
just
want
you
to
consider
these
questions
during
your
arbitration,
and
I
want
to
say
for
myself
and
on
behalf
of
margaret
that
we
strongly
oppose
this.
I
have
no
problem
with
developing
it,
but
keep
it
at
the
r1
level.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
just
so
it's
clear:
we
have
no
authority
to
limit
secondary
housing
for
guest
houses
or.
X
T
N
Good
evening
I
do
have
a
few
minutes
seated
to
me
by
warren
marr.
C
That's
because
the
folks
on
zoom
will
be
giving
their
testimony
after
the
in-person.
You
know
folks.
Here
then
we
will
definitely
call
on
them,
but
I
see
more
and
more.
N
N
N
We
sent
a
letter
into
the
city
on
april
3rd
and
you
will
find
that
in
your
packet
it
was
added
a
little
bit
later.
I
think
that
in
that
letter
we
discuss
many
reasons
why
we
are
against
against
this
zone
change
and
why
it
would
not
be
advantageous
for
the
neighborhood,
but
tonight
I
really
want
to
speak
just
about
old
pecos
trail.
So
if
you
get
a
chance,
please
read
our
whole
letter
and
my
my
goal
really
is
to
focus
on
opecus
trail,
because
it
is
the
front
door.
Entry
to
santa
fe.
N
N
Also
in
that
document
it
describes
the
purpose
and
the
intent
of
the
overlay
district,
which
is
to
number
one
establish
a
pure,
a
clear
sense
of
visual
openness
and
continuity
of
development,
as
seen
from
major
highway
entrances
to
santa
fe
and
number
two
to
preserve
clean
air
and
a
sense
of
quiet
and
reduce
potential,
negative
impacts
of
noise,
air
pollution,
lights,
movement
of
cars
and
activities
on
the
site.
N
N
In
the
general
plan,
it
says
the
character
of
santa
fe
is
defined
by
more
than
just
buildings.
Many
other
features
are
record,
not
recognized
as
making
a
contribution
to
the
city's
distinctive
cultural
landscape.
Such
features
should
be
identified
and
recorded
and
include-
and
those
include
essence,
street
forms
and
physical
attributes.
N
On
a
positive
note,
the
board
also
believes
that
compliance
with
the
policy
to
develop
a
plan
will
allow
all
concerned
to
reasonably
consider
not
only
standards
that
will
protect
the
special
asset
and
the
irreplaceable
character
of
the
scenic
corridor,
but
will
also
protect
the
character
of
the
many
surrounding
neighborhoods
which
above
the
scenic
corridor,
and
there
are
many
neighborhoods
around
there
and
there
are
people
from
those
neighborhoods
here
and
also
on
zoom.
One
minute
warning.
N
Most
importantly,
zoning
gives
the
community
some
control
over
its
land
uses,
appearance
and
the
quality
of
life
in
the
future,
and,
as
I
was
working
on
this,
I
thought
this
is
the
reason
that
we're
all
here
tonight
we're
volunteering
our
time
to
make
sure
that
our
community
stays
nice.
We
want
development,
but
we
want
development
that
is
reasonable
and
sensible,
and
it's
not
all
about
making
a
profit
sure
you
know
developers
need
to
make
a
profit,
but
that
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
formula,
not
the
only
formula.
N
N
O
My
name
is
kathy
huck.
I
live
at
two
two
one:
nine
caye
kissike
santa
fe,
new
mexico,
87
505.,
my
partner
mark
sani,
and
I
have
owned
our
home
since
1988
and
have
lived
at
this
address
nearly
20
years.
Our
home
is
in
the
devargas
heights,
south
subdivision
directly
east
of
the
subject:
property
across
old
pecos
trail.
The
main
access
in
and
out
of
our
subdivision
is
the
intersection
of
old
pecos
trail
and
zeal
road.
O
O
I
am
greatly
concerned
about
the
traffic
safety
issues
posed
by
others,
but
I
don't
intend
to
repeat
those
here,
as
they
have
already
been
addressed,
I'd
like
to
focus
on
preservation
of
the
foothill
arroyo
and
acknowledge
the
developers
commitment
to
do
so.
The
arroyo
connects
our
property
and
the
subject
property.
It
cuts
across
our
driveway.
O
O
The
city
has
recognized
the
importance
of
these
environmentally
sensitive
corridors
and
several
documents
among
them.
City
of
santa
fe
resolution.
201953
acknowledges
that
fragmentation
such
as
roads,
fences,
development
fires
and
other
human-created
and
natural
barriers
are
increasingly
making
it
more
difficult
for
wildlife
species
to
migrate
safely
across
landscapes.
O
I
believe
any
decision
regarding
the
zoning
and
eventual
development
of
the
subject.
Property
must
reinforce
the
protection
of
the
existing
waterway
and
wildlife
corridor,
and
I'm
not
convinced
that
increasing
the
density
and
creating
two
separate
housing
clusters
on
the
subject.
Property
is
the
correct
approach.
Thank
you
for
listening.
Thank
you.
AD
Adam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
peter
ives.
I
live
at
140,
west,
zia
road
and
I've
resided
there
close
to
approximate
to
this
proposed
development
for
about
36
years.
I
appear
before
you
tonight
to
well.
First.
AD
I
am
here
to
suggest
that
there
have
been
promises
made
over
the
course
of
the
past
many
years,
certainly
since
1999,
with
the
adoption
of
the
general
plan
that
the
city
would
engage
in
a
planning
process.
So
it's
really
appropriate
that
it's
before
the
planning
commission
and
that
planning
process,
as
stated
in
the
general
plan-
and
this
is
a
segment
which
is
then
found
in
section
3
land
use-
and
it
has
its
own
paragraph.
It
says
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor.
AD
The
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor
designates
old
pecos
trail
between
cordova
road
and
I-25
as
a
scenic
roadway,
and
recognizes
its
importance
as
an
unspoiled
entryway
into
downtown
developmental
standards,
including
land
uses
density
and
design.
Controls
will
be
developed
for
a
public
participation
process.
AD
AJ
K
AD
Shows
the
corridor
so
with
due
respect
for
my
friend
carl,
when
he
states
that
the
plan
is
fully
complied
with.
Clearly,
that
is
false,
because
the
plan
calls
for
the
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor
to
be
the
develop.
H
P
AD
AC
AI
K
K
AI
Reasons
and
the
reasons
presented
by
other
members
of
the
santa
fe
community,
not
just
sally
lomas,
the
santa
fe
community,
who
oppose
this
rezoning
request
and
are
testifying.
Today.
I
oppose
this
rezoning
request
because
I
don't
believe
the
applicant
or
the
staff
has
presented
the
city
with
facts
sufficient
to
show
that
city
approval
of
the
requested.
Rezoning
of
this
property
is
more
advantageous
to
the
community,
as
articulated
in
the
general
plan
or
other
adopted
city
plans,
as
required
by
the
city's
land
use
code.
AI
K
AI
Say
that
ceded
my
desire
to
live
in
santa
fe
someday,
I
have
been
walking
my
shelty
and
biking
on
westia
road
for
the
past
10
years,
during
which
time
I
have
observed,
other
dog
walkers,
bicyclists
runners,
st
michaels,
track
team
runners,
moms
with
strollers
hikers,
seniors
wildlife,
including
deer
and
coyotes,
and
motorists.
The
proposed.
C
AI
There
have
recently
been
three
accidents,
one
on
zia
road
at
the
foothills
arroyo
on
the
subject,
property
and
two
on
old
pecos
trail,
one
at
sea
wrote
an
old
pecos
trail
and
that
that
has
been
within
the
past
three
weeks.
I
strongly
suggest
the
planning
committee
commission
do
a
site
visit
at
rush
hours
to
confirm
our
observations.
L
How
can
I
address
that?
Yes,
members
of
the
public
are
also
able
to
email
things
that
are
formatted
or
pictures
that
are
not
able
to
be
submitted
through
primegov.
We
do
state
the
emails
of
the
staff
on
the
in
the
agenda
and
they
are
members
of
the
public
do
and
are
able
to
submit
comments
that
way,
as
well.
We've
heard
from
several
members
who
have
submitted
comments
that
way.
C
R
C
R
R
R
R
R
So
the
last
point
I
would
like
to
to
make
is
ask
someone
who
has
made
u-turns
on
opa's
trail
for
nine
years,
and
I
have
to
make
the
u-turn
there
at
zia.
R
It
really
does
depend
on
not
only
the
time
of
the
day.
It
depends
on
the
time
of
the
year
during
the
legislative
session,
trying
to
make
a
u-turn
onto
opaque.
This
trail
is
very
difficult:
okay
and
we
have
the
benefit
of
a
life
there
and
a
turn
signal.
Although
the
turn
signal
is
only
a
term
signal
for
making
a
left
turn
not
for
allowing
us
to
do
a
u-turn,
so
we
pile
up
there,
sometimes
waiting
for
our
free
time.
L
Those
written
comments
that
are
formatted
or
have
photos
can
be
emailed
up
until
the
the
deadline
for
written
comments,
which
is
monday
at
5
p.m.
So
that's
every
that's
for
every
meeting.
That's
on
thursday,
it's
monday
at
5
pm.
The
agenda
does
say
that
public
comments
are
members
of
the
public
may
submit
written
public
comments
by
5
pm
the
monday
prior
to
the
meeting,
so
that
is
on
the
agenda.
So.
AC
K
AC
AC
AC
H
AC
AO
AO
AO
Consider
this,
let
me
explain.
The
plan
requires
that
traffic
exiting
from
18
lots
must
drive
abruptly
onto
old
pecos
trail
vehicles,
and
you
saw
the
video
traffic
vehicles
wanting
to
head
north
towards
town.
Cannot
it
but
must
instead
turn
right
to
go
southbound
from
there.
They
would
be
required
to
negotiate
across
two
lanes
rapidly
moving
cross
traffic.
AO
AO
This
project's
design
shows
a
glaring
indifference
to
community
safety
on
the
part
of
the
developers
and
those
at
the
city
supporting
it.
If
enacted,
this
traffic
plan
would
be
exposing
people
to
harm
or
danger
because
of
a
reckless
hazardous
ill-conceived
solution
that
was
poorly
and
carelessly
thought
out.
Please
conclude
your
comment.
Please
put
your
people,
please
don't
put
your
people
in
danger,
we're
your
community.
AO
AO
Z
Z
Many
have
already
been
made
tonight,
but
one
that
really
stood
out
in
my
mind
during
this
whole
process
has
been
that
there's
really
very
little
to
to
no
representation
of
the
neighborhood
by
the
city.
I
think
you
all
have
a
really
important
role
tonight,
as
as
to
help
bring
a
voice
to
the
neighborhoods.
Z
You
know
we
we
we've
heard
before
about
santa
fe,
becoming
little
albuquerque
and
and
these
sorts
of
comments
well
well,
who,
on
the
on
on
the
side
of
the
neighborhoods,
is
speaking
well
tonight.
We
have
seen
a
huge
outpouring
of
support
from
volunteers
who
have
spent
hours
and
hours
and
people
who
have
lived
here
for
decades.
That
really
know
the
history
of
the
of
the
neighborhoods
around
the
opecos
trail
scenic
corridor
and
bringing
that
really
important
information
to
you
all
so
that
you
can
use
it
in
your
decision
making.
Z
Z
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
us
are
opposed
to
development,
but
we
are
opposed
to
this
size
and
scale
in
the
scenic
corridor
sitting
here
tonight.
I
felt
like
the
application.
Is
you
know
it's?
It's
a
square
peg
trying
to
be
fit
into
a
round
hole.
I
mean
it
just
doesn't
fit
this
area
again,
we're
not
saying
no
to
any
development,
but
let's
have
appropriate
development,
and-
and
hopefully
you
all
can
help
bring
a
voice
to
the
neighborhoods
and
this
corridor
and
reject.
R
AP
Thank
you.
My
name
is
dan
kitchell.
I
live
at
689
calle
espejo.
First,
I
want
to
say
thank
all
of
you
for
your
service
and
for
staying
late
and
listening
to
us
so
patiently
tonight.
I
also
want
to
recognize
ms
montoya
who's
been
nothing
but
gracious
throughout
this
process.
I
know
she
has
a
client
to
work
with
or
to
represent,
but
she's
done
a
nice
job.
Listening
to
us
and
dan
esquibal
has
picked
up
a
lot
of
extra
work
throughout
this
process
and
I
think
he's
managed
extremely
well.
AP
I'm
not
an
engineer.
I
do
live
in
a
road.
I
live
on
cayes
bay
and
I
know
what
it's
like
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
onto
old
pecos
trail
across
four
lanes
of
traffic
during
rush
hour.
It's
not
pleasant,
but
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
mentioned
several
times
is
site
visits.
I
would
encourage
you
to
drive
down
that
road
and,
on
the
two
left
turns
that
they're
recommending
for
a
u-turn.
AP
One
of
them
is
marked
as
no
u-turn
and
the
other
one
it
pulls
into
the
hotel,
and
so
if
I
have
trouble
pulling
out
of
my
neighborhood
on
the
pecos
trail,
I
can
only
imagine
someone
who's
visiting
town
trying
to
pull
out,
especially
if
they've
had
a
cocktail
or
two
at
the
end
onto
that
road.
So
I'd
encourage
you
to
do
that.
I'm
also
not
an
attorney,
but
I
I
appreciate
a
direct
question.
I
also
appreciate
a
direct
answer.
I
have
no
idea
how
much
these
houses
are
going
to
cost
the
affordable
housing.
AP
AP
So
again,
like
many
have
said,
I
I
support
the
development
of
these
properties
at
the
r1
level,
but
I
think
the
r3
level
is
excessive
and,
as
the
attorney
had
mentioned,
the
question
is
what
is
the
community
benefit
of
the
extra
16
homes
and
I
would
say,
tripling
the
density
on
this
property
is
not
in
the
community's
best
interest.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
would
like
to
give
you
all
a
basic
history
of
this
property.
Of
course,
ronald
lee
wurst
who's,
my
dad
he's
the
owner
proprietary
of
the
property.
I
harney
step
forward
more
okay.
I
was
born
race
on
this
property,
as
I
walked
around
as
a
child.
You
know
I
had
dad
had
his
beer.
I
had
my
sippy
cup,
you
know,
and
we
talked
about
you
know
the
development.
Oh,
where
would
you
want
your
home
son,
blah
blah
blah?
And
you
know,
as
I
got
older,
of
course
I
joined
him
with
that
beer.
I
You
know
he
went
in
and
tried
to
of
course,
rezone
this
property
through
that
process.
I
know
he
had
a
huge
help
with
actually
getting
west
zia
paved,
which
is
huge,
especially
in
those
terms
everybody's
talking
about
you
know
the
corners.
AF
J
M
I
I
So
you
know
is
this
anybody
here
that
may
have
been
involved
in
this
shame
on
you,
but
so
shortly
after
my
father
got
denied
the
re-zoning.
Of
course,
the
plazas
at
wilpegos.
AD
G
I
I
Y
I
I
About
this
blind
corner
and
everything-
and
you
know,
safety
is
a
big
concern,
and
so
that
was
something
these
developers
have
addressed.
You
know
the
sidewalk
and
lights
and
everything,
and
as
soon
as
they
address
that,
then
all
of
a
sudden
I
see
the
opposition
going
wait.
You
want
to
put
lights
up.
Oh
my
gosh,
you
know.
K
I
See
the
stars
and
I'm
like
well,
what's
more
important,
the
safety
of
the
community
or
being
able
to
see
the
stars,
you
know
so
that
was
one
thing
that
really
stuck
out
with
this
new
process.
You
know
in
next
door
you
see
a
lot
of
things
everybody's
talking
about
the
scenic
corridor.
It's
a
irreplaceable
icon.
It's
been,
I
guess
together
now
for
23
years,
and
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
community
coordinated
project
or
whatever.
Well,
you
know
the
bark
beetle
came
around.
I
don't
see
any
help.
I
I
AD
I
I
So
I
don't
quite
understand
that
something
I
would
agree
with
as
far
as
opposition
to
this
is
that
if
the
future
zoning
committee
can
go
up
to
an
r7,
I
would
hate
to
see
that
on
that
property,
you
know
I
grew
up
on
that
property
loved
it.
We
used
to
ride
bmx
bikes
around
the
property.
It
was
a
huge
place
for
the
community
to
gather
and
have
a
good
time
and
right
now
it's
not
being
used
at
all.
You
know
what
I
feel
that
would
be.
Let's
see
here
talking.
I
I
knew
it
was
gonna
go
too
fast.
I
knew
it
would.
I
You
know
that
place
is
located
next
to
the
hospital
it's
located
next
to
a
fire
department,
so
you
know
seeing
something
go
up
there,
especially
with
the
five
affordable
homes
and
whatnot
means
that
it's
going
to
have
the
ability
to
house
nurses,
doctors,
possibly
there's
a
fire
department
there.
You
know
and
they'll
be
close
to
the
hospital
patients,
people
who
need
to
be
located
close
to
the
hospital,
and
you
know
the
extra
five
homes.
Of
course
that's
going
to
help
santa
fe
is
not
very
affordable
and
having
affordable
homes.
C
I
J
I
68
signatures
in
favor
of
the
actual
upping
it
to
an
r3,
and
I
just
I
can't
turn
those
in
but
yeah.
It's
really
it's
a
shame.
68
people
here
that
are
all
live
in
santa
fe
working.
C
Before
we
go
to
the
one
person
who
would
like
to
speak
on
zoom
john
bemus,
are
you
present
just
want
to
make
sure
there's
an
opportunity?
C
C
Please
leave
your
hand
raised
until
I
lower
it
after
you've
spoken
when
it
is
your
turn
to
speak,
you
will
be
promoted
and
you
must
accept
this
promotion
so
that
you
can
speak
and
you
will
be
able
to
unmute.
Please
state
your
name
address
and
and
be
sworn
in.
Thank
you
all
right.
So
the
first
one
is
avgarrett.
C
Place
on
you,
you
just
unmuted
there.
We.
J
K
C
K
K
D
Q
It
also
impacts
affordability
of
homes
when
there
is
a
greater
number
of
homes
to
be
bought,
and
certainly
when
the
housing
stock
includes
homes
that
are
made
in
such
a
way
as
to
be
affordable.
Q
And
it
it
also
has
the
positive
effect
of
revitalizing
neighborhoods
neighborhoods
that
have
been
around
for
a
long
time,
have
older
designs
and
and
may
not
meet
certain
certain
standards.
Q
That
now
are
reflected
in
in
modern
codes,
and
so
I
feel
that
increasing
the
housing
stock
stock
in
santa
fe
is
a
benefit
to
the
greater
community,
and
I
do
believe
just
as
the
neighborhoods
around
it
have
been
made
in
such
a
way
as
to
be
attractive,
that
this
development
can
be
just
as
attractive
and
certainly
the
people
that
will
live.
There
will
be
a
beautiful
addition
to
our
community.
Q
2200
pecos
trail:
that's
that's
the
land
that
we
own.
AM
Q
I'm
afraid
you
gave
direction
to
me
to
unmute
and
not
to
my
sister.
C
I
actually
yes,
I'm
mute.
Q
C
All
right,
I
will
come
back
to
josie,
and
the
next
person
is
ann.
X
AG
X
AA
X
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
commission
members
happy
to
share
with
you
my
support
for
the
proposal.
I
think
that
the
developer
has
done
excellent
work
to
address
many
of
the
concerns
from
the
neighborhood.
I
think
the
plan
is
in
keeping
with
the
low
density
with
the
visually,
with
old
picos
trail
with
the
other
developments
in
the
area.
X
X
C
G
C
AA
I
would
like
this
statement
and
a
written
one.
I've
submitted
to
be
entered
into
the
record
as
my
sworn
testimony,
I'm
testifying
to
my
opposition
to
the
rezoning
request
and
actually
I'm
going
to
call
my
two
minutes:
23
years,
preserving
old
pecos
trail
by
the
community
of
santa
fe
residents
of
santa
fe
county
and
the
state
of
new
mexico
with
continuing
and
broad
public
participation,
and
you
can't
see
I'm
holding
up
a
20
year
old
bumper
sticker,
to
show
you
how
long
we
have
been
working
on
this
issue.
AA
So,
throughout
the
last
23
years
there
have
been
innumerable
gatherings,
meetings,
deliberations,
ad
hoc
committees,
working
to
designate
old
pecos
trail
as
santa
fe's
gateway
entrance
into
a
world-class
city.
I'm
going
to
read
you
a
quote
from
the
united
nations
unesco
creative
city,
the
quote
santa
fe's
appointment
to
the
unesco
creative
cities
network
is
a
testament
to
the
city's
important
achievements
in
cultural
industry
development.
AA
So,
throughout
many
years
we
have
worked
with
the
city's
planning
and
land
use
department,
we've
communicated
with
city
councilors,
santa
fe,
county
commissioners,
santa
fe
advisory
committees,
santa
fe
county
advisory
committees
and
the
new
mexico
state
legislature.
Legislature
jurors-
and
I
just
want
to
say
this-
is
not
a
nimby
neighborhood
issue.
All
developments
start
out
in
a
neighborhood,
but
this
happens
to
be
a
neighborhood
that
is
actually
a
corridor,
not
just
one
neighborhood
that
has
city-wide
county-wide,
statewide,
national
and
international
spotlight
on
it.
AA
So
in
2003,
when
we
tried
to
start
preservation
efforts,
the
community
raised
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Fifty
thousand
was
from
the
city
of
santa
fe.
Three
hundred
thousand
was
from
the
county
santa
fe
county.
AA
Another
175
000
was
from
the
state
of
new
mexico
and
140
000
was
raised
by
individuals
in
the
santa
fe
and
santa
fe
county
community.
It
was
to
preserve
four
paint:
4.5
acres
at
old
pecos
trail
and
I-25,
as
the
entrance
into
the
old
pecos
trail
scenic
corridor.
AA
Okay,
well,
forty
thousand
dollars
of
that.
We
we've
sent
to
the
south
side
for
the
for
the
the
trail
along
the
river,
but
we
have
been
working
for
over
23
years
in
preserving
what
is
the
entrance
into
santa
fe
and
we're
hoping
that
this
hearing
tonight
is
just
the
beginning
of
finally
putting
some
designation,
historic
and
scenic
on
this
old
trail.
That
goes
all
the
way
down,
actually
to
the
plaza.
AA
E
D
AQ
I
remember
when
old
hicko's
trail
was
a
two-lane
road
and
we'd
run
across
it
to
go
swim
at
the
townhouse.
I
have
seen
santa
fe
grow
and
change
and
watch
the
sprawl
to
the
south
occur
that
part
of
town
almost
becoming
a
different
community
of
its
own.
I'd
like
to
see
more
infill
within
the
city
take
place
as
an
environmentally
and
socially
sustainable
way
to
accommodate
growth
and
to
breathe
new
life
into
areas
of
santa
fe
that
I
think
have
grown
stale.
AQ
I
remember
the
santa
fe
of
my
youth,
one
in
which
my
friends
and
I
would
meet
up
and
ride
bikes
go
sledding
in
the
arroyo
in
winter
and
trick-or-treat
together,
the
solar
flame.
This
neighborhood
was
just
that
it
was
a
neighborhood
over
the
years.
The
character
of
the
neighborhood
has
changed.
It's
become
quiet
and
closed
off
with
residents
that
adhere
to
the
nimby,
not
in
my
backyard
mentality.
AQ
This
development
is
low
density
and
comparable
to
existing
neighborhoods
that
surround
subject
property.
I
believe
that
a
subdivision
design
that
is
in
keeping
with
santa
fe's
unique
character,
can
only
add
to
the
neighborhood
and
to
repeat
a
sentiment
shared
by
mr
summers.
The
santa
fe
community
as
a
whole
to
bring
new
residents
to
an
area
that
has
been
in
my
eyes
in
decline
is
necessary.
AQ
All
of
new
growth
in
santa
fe
need
not
happen
miles
away
from
downtown
the
hospital,
etc.
Some
amount
of
growth
near
to
these
places
should
be
allowed
to
occur.
I
believe
this
change
will
not
affect
the
scenic
corridor
and
instead
will
add
to
the
neighborhood
diversity
and
the
diversity
of
center.
Thank
you.
C
D
AJ
AJ
I
know
I
guess
fire
trucks
don't
have
to
get
in,
but
I
would
think
garbage
trucks
would
have
to
get
in.
Another
question
I
had
is
earlier
prior
to
this
case.
The
hospital
case
had
certain
number
of
feet.
I
thought
offset
from
an
arroyo.
Why
aren't
why?
Don't
they
have
to
be
offsets
on
this
particular
arroyo?
I
thought
they
were
18
feet.
They
were
talking
about
st
dibson,
so
maybe
you
can
look
at
that
also
on
the
site.
AJ
Anyway,
would
you,
when
you
go
into
the
entrance,
they
are
not
going
to
be
cutting
down
chamisa
they're,
going
to
be
cutting
down
pinyon
trees.
So
what
I
find
ironic
is
cut
down
all
the
trees
along
zia
road,
but
plant
a
whole
bunch
of
trees
along
opaego's
trail.
I
mean
it's
inconsistent,
that
line
of
sight.
If
you
do
a
site
visit,
it's
it's
wrong,
they
will
have
to
cut
down
trees.
AJ
Also,
it's
just
interesting
that
this
whole
pecos
trill,
the
reason
the
study
hasn't
happened
is
twice.
The
staff
has
been
asked
to
perform
the
old
pecos
telestra
study
and
get
community
input
and
prior
to
2015
and
then
also
the
2015
resolution.
The
reason
that
they
had
to
have
the
resolution
is
quote.
This
is
for
the
santa
fe
physical
impact
report.
202707
quote:
staff
has
been
unable
to
locate
any
work
product
generated
by
earlier
efforts
that
are
identified
in
the
resolution
and
anticipated.
AJ
The
work
would
essentially
have
to
start
from
scratch
that
was
in
2015,
so
they
lost
the
work
before
2015
and
nothing's
happened
since
2015.
and
finally
and
lacy
that
just
spoke
a
while
ago.
I
found
it
interesting
that
when
we
talk
about
community
when
they
bought
the
four
point,
eight
five
acres
at
I-25
and
opaque
was
trail.
AJ
G
D
J
Okay,
I
want
to
follow
up
with
something
pat
those
that
said
to
you
guys
about
the
the
changes
were
that
were
made
on
the
on
the
future
of
that
you
spent
those
changes
can't
be
made
unless
council
approves
them.
Staff
cannot
make
those
changes
on
their
own.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
that
I
didn't
see
where
see
any.
J
I
don't
remember
any
point
where,
where
council,
the
governing
body
has
done
that
on
their
own,
I
also
wanted
to
to
kind
of
talk
about
the
eastern
portion
of
that
property,
where
the
the
houses
that
that
put
up
on
the
eastern
edge
of
that
those
houses
can
put
up
accessory
dwelling
units.
That
means
those
houses
the
way
the
road
configuration
is.
J
Those
houses
are
going
to
put
up
closer
to
to
the
75
foot
limits,
so
you're
gonna
have
accessory
drawing
units,
but
enough
posters,
that's
going
to
be
on
more
of
an
obscure
thing
to
there.
I
also
want
to
follow
up
with
something
carl
summers
says
that
that
r1
is
not.
You
can't
do
affordable
use
of
r1.
Yes,
you
can
because
you're
having
over
anything
over
10
10
units,
you
have
to
provide
affordable
housing.
So
I
feel
that
that
is.
That
is
wrong
that
you
know
this.
J
Whole
development
can
have
affordable
housing
even
under
an
r1
deal,
and
I
just
kind
disappoint
in
that,
and
I
want
to
follow
up
on
what
and
lacy
said.
I
was
part
of
that.
I've
been
following
these
corridors
around
town
and
trying
to
support
the
quarters,
because
those
public
has
participated
in
quarters
around
the
city
for
a
long
long
time.
They
helped
create
these
things.
I
created
that
helped
create
the
west
santa
fe
river
corridor,
and,
if
we're
not
respecting
these
quarters,
I
think
something's
wrong
with
this
town.
J
If
we're
not
respecting
corridors
at
all.
So
I
just
want
one
follow
up
with
that,
but
I
just
really
feel
it's
important.
That
quarters
just
had
me
growing
up
here
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
respected
and
that
you
and
that
the
the
governing
body
and
the
commissioners
as
well
also
respect
it.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
D
G
I
do
thank
you,
there's
so
much
to
cover.
I
I
appreciate
all
the
commissioner's
time.
I
I
don't
see
how
you
do
this
every
every
meeting
focusing
so
late.
It's
way
past
my
bedtime,
but
I'm
gonna
try
to
stay
focused
here.
First
of
all,
the
applicant's
application
fails
to
show
that
there's
been
a
change
in
the
surrounding
area,
altering
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
to
such
an
extent
as
to
justify
changing
the
zoning.
I
strongly
object
to
upping
the
zoning
density
to
r3.
G
G
G
G
There
are
so
many
dog
walkers
here,
elderly
people
with
or
without
dogs
people
on
bikes,
my
neighborhood
is
very
diverse.
I
I
don't
know
where
the
idea
comes
from
that
it's
not,
but
adding
five
houses
that
are
supposedly
affordable
for
10
years
is
not
going
to
alter
the
is
not
going
to
increase
to
a
significant
degree.
G
B
Well,
let's
just
see
if
there's
anyone
else
on
zoom
who
wants
to
speak.
If
so,
please
raise
your
hand.
B
So
there's
no
one
else:
okay,
there's
no
one
else
asking
to
speak,
so
we
will
now
close
the
public
meeting.
AB
AB
That
is
a
condition
that
this
body
can
place
if
they
so
choose
to
see
it
for
final,
going
back
to
the
old
scenic
trail,
you
know
that
the
wording
is
actually
pulled
out
of
the
general
plan.
That's
on
page
10
of
the
report
that
you
guys
have.
If
you
want
to
revisit
that,
so
I'm
not
going
to
read
it
again.
AB
However,
what
it
does
say
is
that
there
to
work
with
staff
to
develop
rules
and
regulations
that
actually
define
what
that
is,
not
just
your
setbacks
or
your
architectural
standards
or
but
everything,
including
how
big
that
that
corridor
is
there's
no
width
to
it.
You
don't
know
how
how
many,
how
deep
it
takes,
those
lots,
how
which
lots
are
affected.
AB
AL
AB
J
AB
Think
we
can
just
be
arbitrary
and
put
something
on
the
legal
document
that
we
can't
enforce,
but
we'll
take
a
look
at
that.
Just
for
the
record,
the
we
are-
and
I
should
have
put-
and
I
don't
know
if
I
included
that
in
the
memo
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
going
over
that
that
review
and
I
was
asked
to
put
a
condition
that
planting
within
that
75
foot
court.
That
step
back
should
should
be
done.
So
if
there's
not.
AJ
AB
That
takes
care
of
that.
I've
talked
about
the
hatching
on
that
low
density.
Let's
see
this,
what
the
staff's
role
is.
One
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
was
the
staff's
role
and
it
was
brought
up
in
a
very
negative
way,
but
this
body
has
seen
many
applications
and
you've
had
to
endure
interpretations
of
chapter
14
and
various
sections
of
chapter
14,
as
well
as
various
sections
of
check
of
the
entire
city
code.
AB
AB
In
my
16
years
of
working
with
the
city
been
able
to
find,
and
even
for
a
simple
building
permit,
to
figure
out
how
they're
going
to
come
up
with
a
perfect
application,
there's
always
something
they're
missing
and
through
conditions
we
are
able
to
get
them
to
comply
and
our
role
as
staff
is
to
help
applications
come
through
so
that
they
can
achieve
their
goals.
There's
no
difference
here,
so
I
understand
that.
AB
That's
not
liked
when
there's
a
lot
of
opposition,
but
if
they
come
into
a
building
permit,
they
want
to
shed
or
they
want
something
to
their
house
they're
going
to
want
my
help.
They're
going
to
want
the
staffs
out
to
be
able
to
get
a
simple
building,
permit
much
less
going
through
a
zoning
process
which
is
even
more
complicated
or
a
subdivision
process
which
includes
a
variety
of
chapters
within
the
city
code.
So
that
is
our
role.
We
don't
sit
and
say
your
application
is
not
complete.
You're
denied
that
that
just
doesn't.
AK
AB
Very
well
when
it
comes
to
density
in
guest
houses,
it
was
a
good
question
that
was
brought
up
and
it
was
a
good
conversation
because
there's
not
a
lot
of
it's
hard
to
to
explain
how
the
staff
have
to
look
at
guest
houses
or
accessory
dwelling
units
is
a
technical
term.
AB
When
it
comes
to
density
calculations.
That's
there
is
a
mathematical
calculation
that
we
use
that
is
directly
following
the
table
of
dimensional
standards
within
chapter
14,
and
that
gives
us
how
we
calculate
how
many
dwelling
units
are
actually
put
on
the
property
guest
houses.
When
you
go
to
that
section
of
chapter
14
exempt.
AB
AB
B
Both
both
of
them
have
been
long
meetings
too.
So
what
I
would
like
to
inquire
is,
I
would
like
to
inquire
of
the
commission.
Do
you
want
to
continue,
or
do
you
want
to
postpone
this.
B
Chair,
yes,
mr
smith,
I
would
I
would
like
to
postpone.
I.
A
L
Mr
farber,
what
his
technical
issues
are,
but
we
we
all
saw
the
screen
and
it
was
handles
and
not
up.
L
And
I'm
sure
if
there
is
to
be
a
vote
to
postpone
it,
it
does
need
to
be
a
motion
in
a
second.
B
Yes,
I
understand
that,
can
you
pull
up
the
zoom
again,
so
we
can
see
that
there's
no
hands
raised.
B
AC
AB
AB
C
AE
Thank
you.
My
hand
has
been
raised
this
entire
meeting,
and
this
is
the
second
time
that
this
has
been
happened
to
me.
I
know
how
to
use
zoom,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
concern
that
I
will
write
again
about.
I
would
like
to
thank
you
all
for
your
patience
for.
L
L
AE
AE
Yes,
thank
you,
and
so
this
is
the
second
time
this
has
happened.
I
know
how
to
use
zoom
and
my
hand
has
been
raised.
The
entire
meeting
and
the
last
meeting
when
I
wasn't
called
on,
I
saw
miss
moore's
condo,
but
let
me
go.
I
appreciate
your
patience
chair
running
this
meeting.
The
way
you
have,
I
really
truly
deeply
do
and
I
appreciate
the
patience
of
all
of
the
members
of
the
commission.
AE
I
know
how
hard
it
is
to
sit
where
you're
sitting,
because
I
did
it
for
four
years
I
served
on
the
charter
review
commission
and
I
served
on
the
charter
regional
charter
commission,
I'd
like
to
tell
you
that
I
want
to
incorporate
into
my
very
brief
time
all
the
comments
that
were
made,
particularly
those
by
valerio
romero.
Randy
bell,
bruce
groan,
penn,
lafarge,
lucia
peter
eyes,
elena
and
rick
martinez
and
everybody
else
who
urged
you
to
recommend
disapproval
of
this
rezoning
change.
AE
AE
Now
we
lost
that
vote
in
a
divided
vote
on
the
city
council,
but
back
then
it
was
an
issue
about
what
would
happen
with
old
tech
host
trail
and
the
way
in
which
old
hicko's
trail
got
designed
was
in
large
part
because
of
the
opposition
that
we
raised
about
the
change
to
that
entryway
into
santa
fe,
and
I
do
and
I'm
sorry
to
have
to
what
mr
esquivel
would
say
would
be
negative,
but
the
staff
and
the
city
attorney's
office
and
the
land
use
make
rules
as
they
go
along
number
one
on
the
notice
of
agenda.
AE
There's
absolutely
no
instruction
to
anybody
that
they
can
upload
photos,
maps,
flats
or
whatever.
Yes,
you
can
put
in
written
comments,
but
you
can't
upload
documents
and
there's
absolutely
nothing
that
says:
send
documents
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
pat
lillis,
had
the
original
1999
general
land
use
plan
which
showed
the
pecos
scenic
corridor
oink
and
the
city
attorney
would
not
allow
her
to
provide
to
you
a
copy
of
that
original
plan
showing
that
back
in
1999.
AE
It
was
clearly
on
that
map
and
it's
not
easily
seen
online.
You.
E
AE
Meeting
to
allow
this
there's
no
cross-examination
allowed,
it
was
disadvantage
to
you
to
not
be
able
to
allow
bruce
throne,
who
has
spent
huge
amount
of
time
on
developing
issues
and
concerns
about
why
this
is
such
an
important
issue.
AE
The
city
portal
needs
to
be
changed
to
make
it
more
consumer
friendly
and
more
citizen
friendly,
the
limited
time
to
speak,
where
people
have
to
see
time
in
order
to
be
able
to
allow
somebody
that
be
able
to
make
a
coaching
statement
to
you,
I
think,
is
a
violation
of
due
process,
a
law.
It's
on
appeal.
K
AE
See
you
get
cut
off
by
miss
moore,
the
administration
needs
to
take
notice
of
the
land
use
plan
and
you
need
to
pay
attention
to
the
really
fundamental
concept
of
due
process
of
law.
It's
on
appeal
in
the
court
of
appeals,
the
court
of
appeals
denied
the
city
and
zia
station's
motion
to
dismiss
the
appeal,
so
there
are
concerns.
I.
AE
Be
invol
I
will
trying
to
be
involved
in
civic
affairs-
probably
all
not
there,
but
probably
longer
than
everybody
else
is
on
the
planning.
Commission,
I
don't
want
to
fight
city
hall.
City
hall
should
be
fighting
for
the
residents
of
the
city.
We
shouldn't
that's
what
I've
been
doing.
My
entire
professional
career
I'd
like
to
stop
it,
but
I'd
like
the
city
to
fight
for
us
rather
than
us
having
to
fight
for
you.
We
need
to
preserve
it.
AE
B
You
thank
you
and
mr
farber
just
so.
You
know
your
hand
did
not
show
that
it
was
raised
and
at
the
last
meeting
the
same
thing
happened.
So
I
don't
know
what's
going
on,
but
we're
all
all
of
us
were
looking
at
it
and
your
hand
was
not
being
shown
as
being
raised.
V
Madam
chair,
may
I
make
a
motion
to
continue.
Yes,
please
do
motion
to
continue
until.
L
AL
L
I
believe
it
might
be
too
late
to
set
up
a
site
visit
for
that
date
because
of
our
notice
requirements.
Okay,
if
you
wanted
to
do
that,
we
could
you
could
delay
until
the
august
18th
meeting.
L
And
that
would
give
enough
time
if
you
notice,
if
you
decided
that
that
was
something
that
you
did
want
to
do
a
site
visit.
Why.
B
Consideration
so
we're
looking
to
postponing
until
august
18th.
L
B
B
Thank
you,
okay,
any
comments,
or
should
we
take
a
roll
call.
L
B
Think
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
we,
the
public
comments,
are
closed,
but
that
we
will
accept
written
comments
because
I
know
there's
been
concern
that
people
did
not
know
how
to
do
that,
and
so
they
can
contact
staff
to
make
sure
that
anything
they
want
to
submit.
They
can
submit
by
august.
L
D
L
Chair,
I
believe
you
can
decide
that
as
the
chair.
However,
if
you
would
like
to
have
a
vote,
you
can
do
that.
B
Okay,
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
do
a
site
visit
and
note
on
the
site
visit.
There
can
be
no
conversations.
L
And
it
will
be
noticed,
I
don't
think
that
we'll
be
able
to
do
it
the
same
day
as
the
meeting,
but
we
will
do
it
before
the
meeting
just
for
scheduling
issues.
I
love
to
see
when
people
are
available
right
and
it's
it's
not.
Yes,
there
are
no
conversations
with
the
public
or
with
other
commissioners.
It's
just
a
staff
guided
visit
to
look
at
the
property.
B
F
Members
of
the
commission-
yes,
my
only
communication
would
be
to
to
thank
dan
esquebel
for
his
work
on
this
case
and
my
other
staff
and
support
here
in
land
use.
G
B
L
Conditioner
scalp,
there
is
no
communication,
I
am
not,
I'm
not
sure
I've
never
done
a
site
visit
we'll
have
to
see
what
how
this
works,
but
there
there
are
no
conversations.
B
Okay,
now
we
matters
from
the
commission
any
matters
from
the
commission,
no.