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A
I'm
doing
this
in
a
parking
lot
in
south
phoenix
right
now:
okay,.
A
C
Thanks
joe
for
your
help,
we're
gonna
call
the
meeting
of
the
quality
of
life
committee
to
order
it
is
501
and
if
we
could
get
a
roll
call.
I
believe
all
the
members
are
here
jennifer
sure.
D
C
I
we
next
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
If
there
aren't
changes
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda.
E
C
D
C
Maybe
you
can
give
us
the
thumbs
up,
that
you
approve
the
agenda,
all
right,
perfect
and
chair
romero
worth
and
yes,
okay,
so
we
have
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
Now
we
need
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
Are
there
items
that
the
committee
would
like
to
pull
from
the
consent
agenda.
F
F
Counselor,
council,
very
all
I'm
sorry.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
a
for
some
clarification
b
is
in
boy
c
d
and
I'd
like
to
co-sponsor
e.
C
C
Okay,
jennifer
you've
got
you've
noted
both
of
those
yes,
madam
chair,
all
right.
Terrific,
with
that,
can
we
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda,
as
amended.
C
Second
got
a
motion
by
councillor
rivera
second
by
councillor,
vrael,
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
as
amended.
If
we
could
take
the
role
one
more
time,
please
jennifer
sure
counselor
chris
rivera.
G
D
C
C
C
Yes,
okay,
counselor
via
real,
we
will
go
to
the
consent
agenda
items
and
you
pulled
item
a
which
jennifer
do
you
want
to
read
that
caption?
Just
so,
people
know
what
we're
talking
about.
F
Council
via
rail.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
hi.
Who's.
There.
Let's
see,
julie
sanchez
is
with
us
and
kyra
just
a
clarification,
because
you
know
these
bars
make
so
much
sense.
I
just
wanted
to
know
if,
if
I'm
correct
in
saying
that
the
majority
of
the
staff,
the
specialist
positions
are
temporary,
with
the
exception
of
one,
I
couldn't
figure
out,
there's
one
that's
at
like
a
34
000
general
salaries
amount
and
then
the
others
are
in
lump
sums,
and
I
I
couldn't
figure
out
if
those
were
the.
If
those
were
temporary
positions,.
H
I
mean
chair
councilwoman
biandale,
those
are
not
temporary
positions.
The
majority
of
the
funding
in
this
transfer
is
for
temporary
positions.
The
34
000
represents
eight
pay
periods
for
the
remaining
youth
specialists,
some
of
whom
are
part-time
and
that
they
are
all
being
transferred
over
to
the
recreation
division.
H
H
We
don't
have
full
budget
for
that
this
year,
this
budget
was
reduced
in
our
current
fiscal
year.
Although
we
we
are
looking
for
additional
funding
for
that,
and
it
looks
hopeful
that
we
will
be
able
to
offer
our
full
summer
program,
but
the
remainder
of
that
is
for
whichever
temporary
physicians,
youth
specialists
and
supervisors.
We
can
hire
with
that
money
and
have
coveted
safe
practices.
H
That
was
in
the
youth
and
family
services
and
unfortunately,
melissa,
bustos
and
gino
are
in
the
their.
Their
link
is
not
working
so
joe,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
help
them
help
them
get
in,
but
basically
I
think
I
can
handle
this
question,
which
is
that
you
know
the
the
recreation
division
has
some
funding
for
their
summer
program
and
the
youth
and
family
services
division
has
some
funding
for
their
program.
So
this
this
represents
the
youth
and
family
services
funding
lending.
H
In
with
that,
I
think
the
recreation
division
in
the
summertime
typically
hires
about
20
people
is
that
right,
julie
and
so
it
all
together.
You
know
the
temporary
hires
can
be
about
100
to
110,
new,
temporary
hires
and
typically
these
are
you
know,
as
you
know,
young
people,
young
local
people,
and
these
are
great
summer
jobs
for
them.
So
we're
looking
to
be
able
to
do
that
again.
H
This
year
we
may
get
out
of
the
gate
a
little
later,
then
normal,
given
you
know
how
we're
starting,
but
we're
very
hopeful
that
we'll
be
able
to
bring
the
program
back
this
year.
Given
the
way
things
are
going
with.
The
pandemic.
F
So
if,
if
the
funding
comes
together,
not
just
this
change,
then
you're
hoping
to
be
fully
staffed
with
the
summer
temp
positions,
then
madam
chair
councilwoman,
viet
are
all
yes,
okay,.
C
There
other
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
item:
councillor
rivera.
B
B
There
was
some
discrepancy
in
what
temporary
staff
had
been
at
what
rate
hourly
rate
they
had
been
hired
at
some
were
making,
I
think,
like
15
an
hour
if
my
memory
starts
correct
and
then
there
were
others
that
were
making
35,
and
I
know
that
the
that
the
time
frame
was
very
short.
I
think
it
was
a
two
week
period,
but
this
is
much
longer
so
do
we
know
what
the
average
salary
is
going
to
be
for
these
five
positions.
H
So
the
average
salary
for
the
new
youth
specialists
they
start
at
13.
They
go
from
13
to
15,
depending
on
experience.
H
I'm
sorry,
madam
chair
council,
councillor
vivetta
my
understanding
with
the
high
rate
on
those
other
positions
in
rec,
and
this
was
not-
I
wasn't.
Rec
wasn't
under
community
health
and
safety,
as
you
know,
at
the
time
was
that
those
were
actually
contract
positions
and
they
were,
you
know,
mentors
and
coaches
and
people
that
would
come
on
on
contract,
and
so
they
weren't
getting
benefits,
which
is
part
of
why
that
that
dollar
amount
was
higher.
Also,
they
had
specialties,
which
required.
H
You
know,
expertise
that
that
could
only
be
that
they
weren't
necessarily
conducive
to
hiring
a
person
for
eight
weeks.
That
person
wouldn't
necessarily
want
a
job
for
eight
weeks.
So
some
of
the
skill
sets
may
still.
We
may
still
need
to
hire
up
people
on
contract
to
provide
specialized
services
and
instruction
and
there'll
be
a
blend
of
that,
and
but
those
will
be
con.
Those
are
that's
a
contract.
C
All
right
other
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
item
and
if
there
are
no
further
questions,
if
we
give
motion
to
well,
what's
the
wishes
of
the
committee
to
approve
all
right,
we
have
a
motion
from
councilwoman
via
real
and
a
second
from
councillor
cassette
sanchez,
to
approve
this
request
for
a
budget
adjustment
resolution
for
the
youth
program.
Jennifer.
Can
you
take
the
role,
please
sure
counselor,
michael.
C
Yes,
all
right
now
we'll
move
on
to
item
b
jennifer.
If
you
could
just
read
that
and
counselor
via
real.
You
had
a
question
on
this
item
as
well.
F
Council
via
rail,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
kyle
for
joining
us
funny
how
you
always
get
stuck
with
these
hard
ones.
I'm
just
there's
a
few
questions.
I
had
that.
I
didn't
quite
understand
the
memo,
and
probably
pd
would
remember
that
during
our
budget
hearings,
we
talked
about
what
funding
they
would
like
to
go,
what
funding
they
need
in
terms
of
the
canine
program
and
why
that
was
important
and
they
talked
about
how
they
were
thinking
of
getting
a
robot
and
never
mentioned
an
existing
robot.
F
F
J
Chair
and
counselor
correct,
there
is
no
requirement
for
us
to
have
it,
but
to
have
a
certified
program,
we're
we're
a
capital
city
within
the
state
of
new
mexico.
It
is
very
helpful
for
us
to
be
able
to
utilize
these
tools
as
a
life
safety
measure.
For
these
types
of
responses,
there
is
no
requirement
by
law,
perhaps
officer
blake
byford
with
santa
fe
pd
can
chime
in
on
that
as
well.
K
K
We
do
have
a
robot
right
now
we
technically
have
two.
What
we're
requesting
is
the
one
one
is
broken,
the
one
that
we're
requesting
the
money
to
purchase
is
to
replace
the
broken
one.
K
This
one
has
much
further
capabilities
than
the
one
that
we
currently
have,
which
will
allow
for
tremendous
a
great
much
much
more
safety
in
our
operation
on
any
call
outs
or
missions
in
that
sort,
and
I'm
happy
to
go
into
the
details
of
exactly
what
all
it
can
do
as
opposed
to
what
small
one
that
we
actually
do
have
is
capable
of.
If
you
would
like.
F
L
K
Yeah,
the
one,
the
one
that
we
do
have
it's
its
capabilities
right
now
is
basically
as
a
scout.
It
can
be
sent
in
and
has
cameras
to.
Look
in
the
camera
can
extend
approximately
waist
high
look
in
and
it
has
a
claw
which
can
very
limited
mobility
and
can
reach
reach
out
and
grab
small
items
how
to
move
them
out
of
the
way
that
kind
of
sort-
and
that's
really
about
the
extent
of
its
capabilities.
L
L
L
Officer
byford:
were
you
able
to
compile
the
the
recent
stats
for
at
least
a
year
going
back?
If
you
need
2004's
information,
I'd
have
to
dig
through
my
emails,
because
I
believe
we've
provided
that
information
in
the
past
when
kyle
mason
was
originally
asking
for
the
approval
of
these
funds.
Probably
over
a
year
ago,.
K
Yes,
councillor
via
rail,
I
don't
have
everything
from
2004..
I
can
tell
you.
Last
year
the
bomb
squad
was
utilized.
A
number
of
my
numbers
are
19
times.
The
robot
was
utilized
three
different
times
to
assist
the
swat
team,
and
we
had
four
separate
calls
for
the
bomb
squad
itself.
F
And
that's
with
the
existing
robot
and
when
I
say
since
sense,
2004,
I'm
not
talking
about
just
2004,
I'm
talking
about
the
culmination
of
2004
to
present
of
how
many
times
we've
used
that
robot.
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that
piece
of
it.
When
we
do
these
kind
of
calls
related
to
hazardous
devices,
don't
we
involve
other
jurisdictions
like
say
state,
or
maybe
even
fbi,.
K
They're
they're
available
to
assist
generally,
if
it's
within
our
jurisdiction,
we
have
a
functional
bomb
squad.
It's
essentially
on
us.
K
F
F
So
it
says
that
this
is
a
homeland
security
grant
program.
We
talked
about
this
extensively
during
the
budget
hearings
and,
although
it
says
no
money
is
used
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,
it
actually
is,
and
if
you
look
at
your
background,
we
spent
a
considerable
amount
of
money
for
conducting
repairs,
rebuilding
the
robot
four
times
and
then
any
other
maintenance.
F
So
do
we
have
do
we
know
what
the
cost
is
to
the
department
in
order
to
maintain,
I
guess
over
a
period
of
time,
what
it's
cost
us
to
maintain
that
other
robot
and
then
what
you
all
forecast
is
needing
to
maintain
a
new
robot.
K
I
don't
know
what
the
numbers
or
the
figures
were,
for
the
maintenance
on
the
old
robot.
All
of
that
stuff
occurred
before
my
time
on
the
team
in
terms
of
fixing
a
new
robot.
If
we
were
able
to
get
one
generally,
the
company
themselves
are
very
willing
to
help
and
if
it's
a
simple
solution,
they'll
walk
us
through
on
the
phone
and
explain
to
us
how
to
fix
the
problem.
Now,
of
course,
I
I
can't
get
into
particulars
on
costs.
M
Thank
you
ma'am,
madam
chair
counselor,
gediyev,
so
just
put
in
perspective.
The
current
robot
that
we
have
was
not
a
new
purchase
for
the
department,
the
one
that
seemed
to
be
replaced.
M
That
robot
was
actually
used
with
the
fbi
and
they
gave
it
to
our
department
to
be
able
to
use
and
that's
after
they
utilized
it
for
whatever
mission
they
used
it
for
whether
it
be
operational
or
training,
so
that
robot
has
been
maintained
by
our
staff.
Much
like
officer
byford
has
mentioned,
and
the
current
system
is
no
longer
available
to
be
upgraded.
We
can't
buy
a
new
chassis
for
it.
So
that's
a
big
issue
and
that's
what's
kind
of
put
us
in
a
bad
spot.
We've
had
to
work
with
aerial
eod
units.
M
To
kind
of
you
know
go
to
the
junkyard.
If
you
will
to
say
hey,
do
you
have
any
spare
parts
to
keep
it
up
and
running,
and
that's
been
the
case
for
the
last
about
four
years
three
years
ago.
I
believe
it
is.
We
came
to
council
and
we
requested
funding
to
fund
this
project.
At
that
point
it
was
not
approved
in
the
budget.
There
was
talk
where
hey,
maybe
it's
possible-
that
pd
and
fire
can
share
it,
because
pd
has
a
eod
unit
and
fire
has
a
hazmat
unit,
funded
income.
M
At
that
point
it
doesn't
really
fit
the
bill.
They're
two
separate
types
of
equipment,
so
fire
would
use
equipment
in
certain
matter
and
it
wouldn't
be
the
same
way
that
the
pd
would
utilize
it.
So
we
went
to
the
drawing
board.
We
requested
assistance
from
the
state.
The
first
time
we
put
in,
we
did
not
get
approved
for
it
we
put
in
again,
and
this
go
around.
We
did
get
approved
for
the
grant
funding
to
pay
for
it.
So
what
this
is
a
big
benefit
for
us
is
by
having
the
grants
in
place.
M
Yes,
we
have
to
pay
the
upfront
cost,
but,
however,
the
city
gets
the
money
back
in
their
coffers
to
be
able
to
use
for
other
things.
Without
this
robot
we
have
a
couple
alternatives.
If
we
don't
have
it,
when
we
lose
our
eod
team
and
our
response
capability,
then
we
become
dependent
on
area
agencies
to
assist
us.
So
if
state
police
is
able
to
assist
us,
then
that
can
happen
if
they're
not
able
to
assist.
We
gotta
hold
the
scene
until
they're
able
to
respond
to
the
scene
and
mitigate
that
risk.
M
Now
what
does
that
risk?
Look
like
it's
gonna,
be
depending
on
the
situation
that
occurs
a
lot
of
the
call-outs
that
I've
seen
during
my
duration
within
special
operations.
When
I
was
in
that
unit
santa
fe,
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
different
things
here
with
the
minings
over
there
in
cerrios,
where
people
would
have
you
know,
old,
unstable
tnt
sticks
in
their
grandpa's
garage
when
he
passed.
That
item
was
there,
so
those
are
things
they
kind
of
deal
with
and
mitigate
after
20
the
2013
bombing
in
boston.
M
We
saw
a
lot
of
what
appeared
to
be
copycats,
where
we
were
seeing
pressure
cookers
that
were
left
in
the
parking
lot.
I
remember
one
over
there
kind
of
by
the
rail
yard
by
the
train
station
that
we
had
to
shut
down
until
we
could
mitigate
it.
It
was
one
of
those
pots
that
was
stayed
there
now.
If
we
don't
have
this
robot,
we
have
to
hold
the
scene
until
we
can
get
someone
there.
M
That
does
have
it
we're
not
going
to
be
sending
our
personal
up
there
to
examine
it,
and
we
don't
want
to
encourage
that
at
all,
because
that's
very
very
dangerous,
but
we've
done
a
lot
of
effort
to
try
to
get
this
project
funded.
The
current
robot
that
they
need
is
an
f6
our
current
f6
is
it's
done.
There's
no
way
to
keep
it
running.
It
is
no
longer
operational,
so
the
small
scout
robot
that
they
have
is
all
they're
utilizing
and
at
this
point,
we're
kind
of
at
a
crossroads
to
determine.
M
So,
with
with
us
being
off
the
board
again
where
capital
cities
can
put
a
major
strain
on
other
teams
to
include
state
police
and
the
way
the
fbi
runs,
the
program
is
if
they
need
a
mutual
aid
assistance
from
our
team
or
state
police
or
the
albuquerque
police
department
donated
in
the
county.
You
know
they
got
to
pull
one
of
those
agencies
to
go
and
respond,
and
that's
going
to
put
a
big
burden
on
those
agencies,
but
it's
also
going
to
increase
our
time
that
we
have
to
be
on
scenes.
M
That's
going
to
affect
us
with
staffing
as
well.
We
have
to
hold
that
scene
till
they
get
until
that
agency
gets
there.
So
it's
a
big
benefit
for
us
to
have
these
types
of
resources.
M
It
limits
the
disruption
that
occurs
to
our
community
and
with
these
devices
again,
we
even
had
a
robot
many
years
ago
that
was
sent
in
to
deliver
throw
foam
and
the
person
welcomed
the
robot
with
gunfire,
and
they
had
to
repair
that
now.
If
I'm
looking
at
personnel
versus
a
piece
of
equipment,
I'd
much
rather
have
a
robot
shot
with
gunfire
than
one
of
our
staff,
so
this
also
helps
out
with
dealing
with
situations
that
involve
crisis.
It's
not
just
things
that
are
booby
traps
or
hazardous
devices.
M
These
devices
been
very
useful
in
other
situations
where
people
are
dealing
with
crisis.
You
know
we
much
rather
than
damage
property
property
can
be
replaced.
You
know,
but
if
I
had
to
send
you
know
a
pack
of
secrets
is
someone
to
go
and
calm
down
and
rather
send
it
by
way
of
a
robot
and
let
them
calm
down
de-escalate
and
talk
through
that
portion
instead
of
trying
to
look
at
some
other
alternative
means,
but
plenty
of
benefits
with
this
equipment.
M
C
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
It's
a
new
hand,
just
what
I
was
able
to
pull
up
in
my
emails
here.
I
don't
know.
If
dc
valdez
has
the
stats
going
back
to
2004
readily
available,
but
in
2015
the
eod
team
was
called
out
and
used
seven
times,
2016
10
times
2017,
that's
when
they
were
called
out
five
times,
but
at
the
end
of
the
year
fall
time.
L
That's
when
we
had
some
retirements
terminations
within
the
police
department
and
that
eod
team
fell
out
of
compliance
because
we
didn't
have
enough
certified
eod
members,
then
we
got
some
certified
members
up
and
running
again
and
then
in
2018
they
were
called
out
four
times
and
then
separately
from
the
four
eod
separate
calls.
They
were
used
in
conjunction
with
the
swat
team,
where
the
eod
robot
went
into
the
home
three
times
to
clear
the
house.
That's
all
I
have
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
F
F
There's
still
a
need
to
understand
what
that
cost
for
us,
and
there
was
a
line
item
saying
that
the
maintenance
training
would
it's
a
separate
quote
they
require,
so
is
that,
like
a
whole,
another
cost
associated
with
working
with
this
company.
M
You
can
answer
that
deputy
chief
yeah,
madam
sure,
counselor
yeah,
so
when
they
get
the
equipment
they're
going
to
get
initial
training
on
how
to
maintain
the
equipment
and
that's
included
in
the
cost
and
they're
going
to
get
a
full
overview
of
the
equipment,
because
it
is
going
to
be
an
upgraded
system
in
comparison
to
what
they've
been
utilizing.
Currently
until
it
came
to
end
of
life,
the
cost
on
a
new
piece
of
equipment
to
maintain
it
will
not
be
what
we
were
experiencing
with
the
previous
equipment.
M
Because,
again,
the
other
equipment
was
several
years
old
and
was
experiencing
several
issues
with
it.
And
to
my
recollection,
a
lot
of
the
problems
were
solved
via
phone
calls
to
the
manufacturer
and
them
supplying
us
with
the
know
how
to
do
so
and
the
costs
were
minimal.
So
a
couple
hundred
hundred
dollars
here
and
there
to
buy
parts,
whether
it's
a
conduit
or
other
types
of
mechanical
pieces.
But
again
they
were
just
trying
to
keep
it
up
and
running
with
the
equipment
that
was
needed.
F
Okay,
there
is,
though,
under
under
invoice
that
the
the
training
and
maintenance
for
training
and
maintenance
that
that's
going
to
be
a
separate
quote.
It's
not
actually
included
in
the
overall,
this
particular
request
for
funding.
Just
so
you
know,
the
other
thing
is
there
was
another
memo
for
this
item
that
was
requested
initially
in
august
that
we
never
saw.
So
I'm
curious
why
it's
coming
to
the
governing
governing
body
now.
M
Hello,
madam
chair
councillor,
video.
So
with
this
project
we
put
an
initial
memo
back
in
march
of
2020.
We
all
know
what
happened
march
of
2020..
There
was
a
lot
of
unknowns
with
the
financial
situation,
so
we
had
to
kind
of
hold
fast
until
we
can
see.
What's
going
on
in
august
is
when
we
started
the
momentum
again
to
get
this
project
going
once
things
kind
of
stabilized
a
little
bit
that
was
falling
furloughs
and
everything
else
that
was
happening
within
the
city
and
we
started
going
through
the
purchasing
process.
M
So
because
the
equipment
is
a
sole
source
piece
of
equipment,
we
had
to
put
out
sole
source
and
start
the
process
from
there
and
then
going
through
to
identifying
that
funding
source
to
be
able
to
bring
it
forward
for
purchase.
So
we
can
have
the
funding
source
and
have
it
reimbursed
back
into
the
program.
J
Here:
counselor!
Yes,
as
as
you
know,
that
city
has
a
very
extensive
procurement
process,
and
sometimes
if
you
send
an
email
out
you
you
have
to
check
in
on
it
every
now
and
then
to
make
sure
that
action
is
being
made
so
between
the
procurement
for
city
procurement,
but
also
getting
authorization
from
the
state
for
the
grant.
They
have
to
approve
the
request
as
well
prior
to
making
the
expenditure
so
with
all
the
moving
players
and
parts.
It
does
take
some
time.
F
Okay
and
then
just
the
I
was
looking
at
the
information
about
northrop
grumman
and
the
andros
robot
robots
are
used
by
the
us
military
fbi,
u.s
secret
services.
So
do
you
see?
Do
you
see
why
it's
challenging
to
try
to
connect
that
kind
of
response
compared
to
a
municipal
police
department.
M
Madam
chair
counselor
yadiel,
it
should
also
be
noted
that
we
use
tough
books
which
are
also
utilized
by
the
military,
the
fire
department,
with
their
ambulances,
they're
derived
from
the
military
when
they
use
carts
to
cart
people
off
the
battlefield.
M
There's
many
parallels
that
can
be
made
with
that.
But
again
with
us,
we
understand
what
our
role
is
in
our
community.
We
understand
that
we're
there
to
make
things
safe
and
that's
how
we
utilize
that
equipment.
The
equipment
is
not
being
requested
to
be
utilized
with
weaponry
which
would
be
utilized
by
the
military.
But
again
there
may
be
some
of
those
parallels
that
could
be
made
by
people,
but
that
is
not
what
our
department's
gonna
do.
You
know
we
understand
we're
in
law
enforcement.
M
We
understand
we're
not
in
the
military
and
we're
not
gonna
blur
those
lines.
F
I
would
like
to
know
the
numbers
cumulatively
since
the
beginning
of
2004
and
then
also
just
what
it's
caused
our
department
to
maintain
the
previous
robots
or
current
robots,
and
then
do
we
have
an
idea
of
forecasting
of
what
it's
going
to
cost
for
maintenance
into
the
future
for
a
new
robot.
Thank
you.
C
I'll
say
all
right:
we
have
a
motion
by
counselor
cassette
sanchez
to
approve
this
item.
Second,
by
councillor,
rivera
jennifer.
Can
you
take
the
role
please.
C
F
O
Yeah,
so
we
do
have
a
presentation
to
give
this
evening.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
great.
Thank
you.
O
So
folks,
just
let
me
know
when
you
can
see
my
screen.
O
Okay,
so
tonight
we
have
counselors
relevance
with
us
again.
He
is
a
counselor
from
los
alamos
city
and
county,
and
he
is
also
a
member
of
the
regional
coalition
of
lionel
communities.
I
O
O
So
I,
as
a
city
councilor,
I
am
the
member
that
represents
the
city
on
the
regional
coalition
of
lano
communities.
I
was
appointed
to
this
role
by
mayor
webber.
When
I
began
my
position
in
january
of
2020.,
the
regional
coalition
atlanta
communities
has
been
around
since
2011..
O
O
The
original
jpa
was
entered
into
agreement
with
the
david
casa
administration,
so
the
city
of
santa
fe
has
been
a
member
of
the
regional
coalition
for
at
least
eight
years
that
I
know
of
maybe
going
back
to.
O
2011.
with
this
I'm
going
to
hand
it
off
to
my
colleague
councillors
relevance
and
he's
going
to
go
over
some
of
what
the
regional
coalition
of
line
of
communities
works
on.
G
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
counsellor
garcia's
invitation,
so
I
think
the
simplest
way
to
think
of
the
rclc
as
as
organization
is
to
make
an
analogy
to
something
like
the
new
mexico,
municipal
league
cities
and
towns
have
certain
interests
in
common
which
they
then
get
together
to
represent
at
the
at
the
state
level.
G
The
rclc
is
similar
in
that
it's
an
organization
of
the
communities
that
surround
are
affected
by
osama's
natural
laboratory
and
the
two
areas
that
the
rclc
concentrates
on,
which
are
relevant
to
all
the
communities
surrounding
the
laboratory
is
economic
development
based
on
the
employment
of
the
laboratory
in
procurement
by
the
laboratory
and
environmental
remediation.
G
So,
in
terms
of
economic
development,
one
of
the
areas
that
historically
we
have
talked
about
is
promoting
diverse
and
scientific
endeavors
at
atlanta.
G
G
We
can
also
look
at
local
educational
institutions,
those
provide
a
workforce,
training
and
development
for
future
employment
by
the
laboratory.
The
laboratory
actually
employs
more
people
that
live
in
that
that
were
educated
in
in
new
mexico
as
much
as
as
from
other
parts
of
the
country.
So
it's
in
the
laboratory's
interest
actually
to
have
a
a
a
workforce
pipeline.
If
I
may,
that
is
based
locally.
G
They
also
find
that
that
it's
better
retention
of
people
that
have
grown
grown
up
in
this
area
that
already
have
personal
ties.
It's
a
better
investment
for
the
laboratory
to
employ
people
like
that,
and
it's
also
the
role
of
the
rclc
to
educate
about
lanos
contribution
toward
an
in
impact
on
the
region.
G
So
we
have
presentations
from
n3b,
which
is
the
legacy
waste.
Remediation
contractor
we've
had
representation
presentations
from
nmed
about
their
inspections,
that
they
do
of
runoff,
for
example,
and
other
and
other
things
we've
had
presentations
from
environmental
management
doe
environmental
management,
which
is
the
local
office
of
the
department
of
energy
which
monitors
landlord
activities.
G
So
we
hear
both
from
the
contractor.
That
is
doing
the
cleanup,
as
well
as
from
the
federal
agency
that
is
monitoring
the
performance
of
that
cleanup
and
we
also
engage
with
other
communities
across
the
nation
that
have
similar
priorities.
There's
I
say,
probably
several
tens,
if
not
hundreds
of
other
sites
across
the
country
that
have
department
of
energy
facilities,
and
maybe
some
of
them
have
remediation
needs,
so
we
find
best
practices.
G
G
G
The
laboratory
went
through
a
contract
change
about
two
three
years
ago.
If
memory
serves
and
one
of
the
parts,
one
of
the
issues
in
the
in
the
new
contract
was
what
the
commitment
by
the
new
contractor
would
be
toward
the
local
community
in
terms
of
relationships
to
the
different
governmental
entities.
G
Support
for
local
non-profits
educational
initiatives
and
so
forth,
and
those
were
written
into
the
proposals
by
each
of
the
bidders
and
the
rclc
executive
director
at
the
time,
organized
a
series
of
meetings
with
all
the
bidders
that
were
coming
to
run
the
laboratory
to
make
sure
that
every
proposal
had
an
appropriate
level
of.
What's
called
a
community
commitment
plan.
G
We
also
the
rclc,
also
successfully
advocated
for
this
new
contractor,
which
it
turned
out,
was
a
non-profit
entity
to
nevertheless
pay
state
and
local
and
regional
gross
receipts
taxes.
G
The
the
law
in
new
mexico
is
that
nonprofits
were
exempted
from
gross
receipts
taxes,
but
there
was
legislation
changed
so
that
any
national
or
state
research
laboratory
doing
business
in
in
new
mexico
would,
even
though
it
might
have
a
non-profit
status,
would
nevertheless
pay
gross
receipts
taxes
and
again
that
was
the
late
state.
Local
and
mostly
the
regional
gross
receipts
tax
was
to
the
regional
transit
authority.
G
The
rclc
represents
northern
new
mexico
and
the
energies
community
alliance,
which
is
this
national
organization
of
of
governmental
entities
and
other
parties
that
are
related
to
sites
that
have
doe
activities
and
as
an
example
of
the
work
that
the
rclc
can
do
at
the
federal
level.
G
Several
with
the
prior
administration,
there
was
a
much
greater
emphasis
on
funding
the
laboratory
for
its
activities
and
reducing
the
funding
for
environmental
remediation,
and
there
was
a
100
million
dollar
difference
between
the
president's
budget
and
the
budget
that
was
actually
passed
by
congress
and
it
was
at
all
all
hands
on
deck
effort.
G
But
the
rclc
had
several
conversations
with
a
congressional
delegation
with
congressional
committees
to
to
try
to
make
sure
that
that
that
funding
was
raised
as
appropriate
for
for
los
alamos
and-
and
it
was
successful-
so
I
think
we're
we
can
take
some.
G
G
G
So,
council,
garcia-
I
think
you
were
going
to
finish
with
with
this
slide.
Sorry,
is
that
correct.
O
Yes
and
please,
let
me
know
when
my
computer's
a
little
slow,
it
was
going
to
cover
the
topics
of
what
does
the
city
of
santa
fe
benefit
from
participating
in
the
regional
coalition.
O
Okay,
great,
and
so,
as
you
can
see,
the
first
bullet
mentions
that
it
helps
to
create
a
unified
voice
of
advocacy
for
the
region.
If
the
city
of
santa
fe
did
not
participate,
sure
they
can
have
a
voice
in
the
matters
which
what
happens
with
the
lab.
But
when
there
is
a
coalition
of
voices,
it
provides
that
much
more
advocacy
effort.
O
As
counselors
relevance
mentioned.
It
helps
to
provide
more
emphasis
on
the
local
procurement
resources
that
can
come
into
a
particular
community
there
and
counselor's
relevance.
Maybe
you
can
give
a
definitive
number,
but
there
is
over
100
million
dollars
in
procurement
spent
annually
by
leno,
and
one
of
the
focuses
of
the
rclc
is
to
try
to
disburse
those
procurement
resources
in
an
equitable
manner
and
to
add
the
voice
about
environmental
remediation
in
the
region
and
also
provide
transparency.
That's
that
is
a
a
very
big
issue
for
us.
O
We
want
to
ensure
that
the
impact
that
lionel
is
having
on
the
environment
that
we
hold
them
accountable
and
environment,
environmental
remediation
is
a
priority
of
ours
and
then,
lastly,
it
helps
for
to
provide
and
diversify
the
work
that
is
conducted
by
leno
and
into
an
additional
topic,
such
as
renewable
energy
biomedical
areas,
as
we
know
that
there
was
lots
of
studies
being
conducted
up
at
leno
even
recently,
with
the
kakoa
19
pandemic.
O
I
guess
one
last
thing
and
now
I'll
ask
counselors
relevance
to
clarify
for
us
in
regards
to
rclc
advocating
for
an
increase
of
pit
production
from
my
experience
this
past
year.
O
That
has
not
been
the
case,
and
I
don't
know
historically,
if
that
has
been
the
case,
and
I
know
probably
all
of
us
on
the
on
the
santa
fe
city
council
have
heard
from
concerns
from
constituents
in
regards
to
rclcs
is
advocating
for
an
expansion
of
pit
production
atlanta
that
that
hasn't
been
my
experience
this
past
year-
and
I
don't
know
if
councillor
is
relevant-
wants
to
expand
on
that.
G
Yes,
I'd
be
glad
to
manager
members
of
the
committee,
so
the
rclc
works
on
a
consensus
basis.
G
I
said
we
try
really
hard
to
find
what
our
areas
that
all
our
members
are
in
favor
of,
and
so
we
we
have
not
taken
up
any
issue
regarded
either
to
pit
production
or
the
national
security
mission
of
the
laboratory
or
other
issues
that
there
might
be
a
difference
of
opinion
among
among
the
different
different
communities.
We
really
try
to
look
hard
for
areas
that
are
of
common
interest,
even
little
ones
like
the
the
recent
2020
census
that
having
a
full
count
was
really
important
to
us.
G
So
so
we
try
to
find
those
types
of
areas.
So
so
the
rclc
has
not
taken
any
any
position
related
to
to
this
about
big
production
at
the.
O
Laboratory,
thank
you,
counselors
relevance,
and
with
that
I
guess
we
are
open
to
any
questions
from
committee
members.
C
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
the
additional
information
in
your
in
your
powerpoint
there's
just
a
few
questions
I
have
and
critiques
about
that.
First,
I'm
just
gonna
ask
some
questions
related
to
the
memo,
so
we
heard
this
last
year
and
we
had
asked
about
what
changed
from
the
last
version
of
the
gpa
and
if
you
could
provide
us
with
the
red
line
which
we
didn't
receive.
C
G
Madam
chair,
if
I
may
volunteer
to
to
do
that,
because
I
have
ready
access
and
I
can
provide
that
at
any
time
the
at
redline
version
of
the
of
the
jpa-
I
can
also
go
over
what
are
all
the
substantive
changes,
because
sometimes
a
red,
the
red
line
is
a
little
busy
because
of
formatting
changes
and
so
forth.
So
I
I
did
collect
a
summary
of
the
of
the
changes
and
I
can
go
over
those
if
that
would
be
sufficient
for
for
council
villarreal.
F
G
So
the
rclc
of
the
original
joint
powers
agreement
had
a
very
loose
description
of
what
the
powers
of
the
rclc
were
as
as
as
a
corporate
as
a
some
kind
of
entity.
So
it
was
not
explicit
that
the
rclc
could
enter
into
contracts.
G
It
was
not
explicit
as
to
whether
the
rclc
could
could
hold
real
estate
or
incur
debt,
so
we
made
those
types
of
things
explicit,
so
the
rclc
can
enter
into
contracts
in
the
new
trip.
Some
of
these
things
might
be
kind
of
implied,
but
we
wanted
to
make
it
implicit.
So
the
jpa
says
that
rclc
can
enter
contracts,
it
cannot
hold
real
estate
and
it
cannot
incur
debt.
It
could
also
cannot
employ
staff,
so
executive
director
should
we
return
to
have
one
will
be
a
service
agreement,
not
not
employment.
G
That's
another
change.
It
makes
explicit
that
the
rclc
can
lobby,
but
only
to
the
extent
consistent
with
grant
requirements.
So,
for
example,
historically
we
received
a
grant
from
the
department
of
energy
and
those
grant
funds
like
any
federal
grant
funds.
I
I
presume,
are
one
cannot
lobby
using
those
funds,
so
the
jpa
makes
that
explicit.
G
G
Another
important
change
is
that
the
original
joint
powers
agreement
made
los
alamos
county
explicitly
the
fiscal
agent,
but
now
the
rclc
can
decide
that
another
member
of
the
organization
can
be
the
the
fiscal
agent
and
and
finally
that
it
was
unclear
how
members
could
withdraw
from
the
organization
it
it
was.
It
said
by
mutual
consent,
so
it
didn't.
It
was
unclear
whether
it
would
require
the
approval
of
all
the
members
for
for
an
individual
member
to
to
leave
the
rclc.
Now
it's
explicit
that
individually
members
can
can
terminate
their
participation
in
the
rclc.
F
Was
there
language
in
the
old
jp
about
if
a
member
decided
to
remove
their
membership,
that
would
not
be
reimbursed
for
any
fees
that
they
already
paid.
G
I
know
that
the
issue
of
of
over
payment
came
up,
I
think
in
the
in
the
finance
committee,
and
I
guess
it
it
would
be
like
any
invoice
that
is
overpaid
or
erroneously
paid,
that
it
would
be
reimbursed.
F
Well,
I'm
not
talking
about
erroneously
paid,
I'm
talking
about
the
language
that
was
added
about.
I
can't
find
it
at
the
moment,
but.
F
There's
language
that
says:
if
a
member
decides
that
they
want
to
remove
themselves
from
the
say
they
decide
that
they
don't
no
longer
want
to
be
a
member,
it
says
that
they
have
to.
They
will
not
be
reimbursed
for
the
amount
they
paid
and
I'm
just
wanting
to
know.
If
that
was
original
language.
F
G
F
Okay,
I
found
the
page
it's
like
on
the
new
one.
It's
page
six
about
member
withdrawal.
Any
member
may
withdraw
from
this
agreement
by
providing
a
written
notice,
but
it
says
that
such
withdrawal
shall
not
terminate
this
agreement
as
to
the
re.
Well,
okay,
and
moves
on
to
the
withdrawing
member
shall
not
be
entitled
to
refund
any
of
the
funds
that
contributed
to
the
coalition
prior
to
withdrawal.
So
I'm
just
if
you
could
check
on
that.
For
me,
that
would
be
great.
F
G
I
believe
that
we
have
added
new
members,
I
I
would
have
to
check-
and
I
don't
know
of
any
member-
that's
that
is
that
has
left
again.
I
the
process
by
which
members
leave
was
unclear,
so
I
mean
I
could
honestly.
I
couldn't
tell
you,
I
suspect,
not
because
I
think
that
would
have
been
something
that
we
would
we
would
have
talked
about,
but
but
I
I
couldn't
I
couldn't
tell,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
that
they
have
been
members
added
since
the
original
membership.
F
G
So
if
I
recall
correctly,
prior
to
the
time
that
we
started
getting
a
grant
from
the
department
of
energy,
we
contributed
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
now
we
contribute
sixty
thousand
dollars.
G
I
would
have,
I
would
have
to
check
with
the
recent
financial
statement
we
do.
We
do
report
on
that
on
a
monthly
basis.
That's.
F
One
thing
that
would
be
helpful
to
see
a
budget:
I've
never
seen
a
budget
for
rclc
to
see
how
they
break
down
costs
who's
contributing.
I
know
the
majority
of
it
comes
from
a
doe
grant.
F
And
then
there's
other
players
that
pay
more
other
members
that
pay
less.
F
So
that
would
be
good
to
know
and
then
also
costs
associated
with
this
body
in
the
memo
and
then
also
in
the
presentation
you
talked
about
why
the
rclc
has
historically
focused
on
pursuing
accelerated
cleanup
of
waste
at
leno
and
steering
away
from
issues
around
mission,
funding
or
support,
and
that
didn't
really
make
sense
to
me,
mostly
because
from
what
I
understand,
the
rclc
has
spent
two
million
since
it's
an
inception
and
there
hasn't
been
any
kind
of
accelerated
cleanup
based
on
them,
trying
to
push
some
the
envelope.
F
F
And
I
guess
I'm
just
not
understanding.
I
don't
feel
like
the
objectives
of
doe.
I
mean
they've
increased,
since
our
clc
has
been
in
existence.
Doe
has
actually
increased
plutonium
production
to
the
amount
of
like
270
percent
and
the
cleanup
is
actually
based
on
what
doe
was
trying
to
push.
It's
been.
Actually
they've
asked
for
half
of
that,
so
they're.
Actually
the
budgets
don't
align.
F
F
And
then
simultaneously
we
talk
about
the
economic
benefits
and,
while
we
know
they
are
substantial
on
some
level
for
community
members
to
be
part
to
work
at
the
lab,
saying
that
you
all
push
for
that
doesn't
make
sense.
I
mean
there
was
that
article
and
the
study
that
was
done
in
august
of
2020
unm
bieber,
the
bureau
of
business
and
economic
research
study
that
determined
that
lannell
had
a
net
economic
loss
for
local
governments
surrounding
lanl,
except
for
los
alamos
county.
So
this
included
santa
fe
county
as
well.
F
I
mean
all
these
things
that
it's
hard
for
me
to
try
to
justify
our
clc
based
on
the
history
of
the
lab
and
then
also
the
fact
that
it's
kind
of
a
I
feel
like
it's
a
conflict
of
interest.
We
have
rclc,
that's
primarily
funded
by
doe
funds.
Yet
doe
doesn't
necessarily
necessarily
listen
to
the
resolutions
that
we
put
forth
about
reducing
plutonium
pit
production.
F
They
don't
ask
us
what
we
think
as
city
of
santa
fe
residents,
so
I
guess
I
just
feel
like
it's
still
this
kind
of
political
entity
that
doesn't
necessarily
represent
the
interests
of
the
people.
That's
what's
hard
for
me:
it's
like
a
unified
voice,
but
we
have
a
very
different
voice
than
our.
You
know,
colleagues
that
may
come
from
different
jurisdictions,
so
I
don't
feel
like
that's
a
unified
voice
per
se.
F
G
Man,
I'm
sure
I
did
not
write
the
memo,
so
I
don't
I
I
I
can't
answer
that.
May
I
answer
a
few
of
the
other
issues.
It
was
a
long,
a
long
list.
I
apologize
if
there
are
things
that
you
may
need
to
remind
me
of.
G
G
The
the
laboratory
cleanup
legacy
cleanup
is
a
different
budget
item
in
recent
years
than
the
the
mission
side
of
it.
So
now,
when
you
look
at
the
total
amount,
the
so
the
laboratory
as
a
whole
is-
and
please
don't
hold
me
to
it,
but
I
think
most
recently
it's
about
a
three
billion
dollar
funding
and
legacy.
G
Cleanup
is
about
300
million
and
again
so
we
can
go
to
our
congressional
delegation
and
advocate
for
increases
to
the
cleanup
part
of
the
portion
without
taking
a
position
as
to
what
what
we
feel
is
about
the
the
the
operational
side
of
the
laboratory,
and
we
know
that
every
every
community
surrounding
landlord
is
interested
in
increasing
that
that
budget,
I
mean
that
in
a
sense,
that's
the
more
budget.
G
So
there's
definitely
very
strong
interest
in
los
alamos
county
as
an
individual
county
and
having
that
clean
up
done
as
much
as
possible
so
and
in
the
last,
as
I
mentioned,
the
prior
administration
was
really
the
emphasis
was
on
the
mission
side
and
not
on
the
cleanup,
and
it
took
a
fair
amount
of
presentations
and
education
to
ident
to
to
push
that
back
and
to
make
sure
that
we
got
that
100
million
dollars
back
so
so
again.
That
was
an
important
thing
in
terms
of
the
bieber
report.
G
You
know
that's
a
very
long
conversation
by
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
in
the
discussion
by
the
economist
at
unm.
Who
did
the
report
is
that
his
his
assumption
was
that
anyone
that
worked
at
the
laboratory
and
no
longer
and
if
the
laboratory
was
not
there,
that
all
those
people
would
leave
the
area
and
therefore
they
wouldn't
have
social
needs
or
housing
needs
or
whatever.
G
So
so
personally,
I
thought
that
was
not
a
realistic
expectation
that
everybody
in
northern
new
mexico
that
used
to
work
at
the
laboratory.
If
the
laboratory
were
no
longer
there,
they
would
they
would
magically
find
positions
elsewhere
and
wouldn't
wouldn't
so
they're.
So
that's
just
one
example
of
at
least
personally
issues
that
I
had
with
that
with
that
report
that
I
thought
were
un
unrealistic.
G
It
did
highlight
that
there
is
a
substantial
level
of
tax
receipts,
not
just
by
los
alamos
county,
certainly
that
that
has
the
majority,
because
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
operations
are,
but
it
was
a
fair
amount
in
in
surrounding
counties
and
and
the
recent
news
show
that
the
footprint
of
the
laboratory
is
is
broadening
right
to
to
to
the
larger
area.
G
F
I
guess
I
guess
what
I
think
about.
Are
you
know
all
these
points
you
made
about
how
what
rclc
is
doing
to
promote
certain
things,
and
I
don't
really
feel
like
it.
Has
that
kind
of
power?
I
think
there's
other
forces
like
even
just
saying
that
they
were
responsible
for
pushing
for
more
cleanup.
F
Well,
I'd
actually
venture
to
say
that
community
groups,
watchdog
groups,
community
members
and
other
groups
are
the
ones
that
actually
push
to
have
more
cleanup,
they're,
the
ones
that
actually
have
have
had
a
voice
in
that
measure,
not
our
clc,
I
mean,
if
we
didn't
have
community
groups
holding
lanol
accountable,
we'd
still
be
probably
polluting
water
and
communities.
F
So
I
guess
I
just
don't
think
rclc
has
that
kind
of
leveraging
point
and
it's
not
because
I
don't
think
the
people
care
that
are
sit
on
rclc,
that
they,
you
don't
have
a
vested
interest.
It's
just
that
it's
feels
like
a
political,
it's
political
positioning
by
lannell
and
by
doe
to
say,
yeah
we're
doing
something
we
have
our
clc
they're
holding
they're
holding
us
accountable,
and
I
just
haven't.
F
I
just
don't
feel
like
your
presentation
and
what
I've
seen
of
like
what's
happened
at
the
lab
has
rclc
has
that
kind
of
clout,
and
so
when
you're
saying
oh
well,
we
don't
take
on
issues.
We
haven't
advocated
against
expansion
or
you
haven't
advocated
for
expansion
of
the
plutonium
production,
but
you
all
also
haven't
advocated
against
plutonium
production.
F
So,
in
a
way
it's
like
like
not
really
taking
a
stance,
and
it
certainly
doesn't
speak
for
santa
fans
and
what
we
hear
from
our
constituents
about
what
they
care
about
as
it
relates
to
clean
up
and
really
pushing
the
envelope
on
that
and
reducing
plutonium
pit
production.
So
I
guess
there's
a
lot
of
other
questions
that
I
just
don't
understand
about
this
entity.
F
People
may
say:
oh
it's
only
this
a
little
a
little
bit
of
money,
it
shouldn't
matter.
Well,
it
does
matter
because
it's
about
the
principle
of
things
and
and
having
something
that's
to
me.
Functional
and
rclc
has
not
been
functional
for
a
while,
in
fact,
people
we,
I
know
in
your
presentation,
you
said
about
well,
david
cost
supported
it.
I
bet
if
we
asked
him
today.
He
probably
wouldn't
so
I'd
love
to
hear
his
stance
on
that,
but
you
know
back
then
it
may
have
made
sense
yeah.
F
Let's
look
at
this
coalition,
let's
see
what
it
can
do,
but
I
think
the
track
record
is
still
very
watered
down
and
I
don't
feel
like
there's
like
even
just
saying
the
things
that
you
support
other
than
the
national
security
aspect.
Well,
I
mean
I've
still
been
waiting
for
lanl.
To
give
me
a
breakdown
of
like
what
they're
actually
budget
consists
of
what
those
science
programs
consist
of,
because
from
what
I've
heard,
those
science
programs,
the
actual
funding
for
them-
has
been
reduced.
F
It
was
74
million
in
2020,
and
those
science
programs
were
reduced
to
62
million
in
fiscal
year
2021.
So
all
that
to
say
is
that
I
don't
think
that
right
now
it
makes
sense
the
way
it's
structured
for
rclc,
for
the
city
of
santa
fe
to
have
to
be
a
member
of
a
dues
paying
member
at
this
time
and
I'll
yield
the
floor
for
now.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
david
for
being
here
and
making
a
presentation
and
answering
questions.
So
there
are.
It
looks
like
nine
people
that
sit
on
the
board.
Is
that
correct.
G
B
G
We
meet
almost
every
almost
monthly,
we
have
we've.
We
have
had
us
at
times
issues
with
with
forum,
but
but
I
think
over
the
last
several
meetings
we've
been
able
to,
we
have
been
able
to
meet
all
right.
I
thought
in
here
that
you
met
quarterly.
Has
that
changed
or
the
bylaws?
G
B
Okay,
so
you
know
I'm
not
very
familiar
with
this
committee,
so
we
just
give
me
an
idea,
so
part
of
your
authority
is
to
promote
economic
development,
new
missions,
stable
funding
for
of
landlords
missions.
B
G
Yeah
yeah
that
I
can
tell
at
least
my
personal,
my
personal
experience
and
it
kind
of
goes
back
to
counselor
via
real's
question
about
what
is
the
impact
of
the
rclc,
so
los
alamos
county
has
its
own
federal
legislative
committee
and
agenda
and
and
and
I've
served
on
that
and
los
alamos
goes
to
washington
dc,
typically
in
march,
to
talk
about
the
areas
that
we
are
interested
in.
G
G
G
Another
individual
organization,
but
both
large
and
small
communities,
would
benefit
from
this
communities
that
have
a
large
presence
at
the
laboratory
in
communities
that
don't
that.
This
is
something
that
the
whole
region
is
interested
in
and
that
is
important
to
our
congressional
delegation.
It
is
important
to
to
the
department
of
energy
because
they
they
know
that
that
we
can.
We
can
go
talk
to
our
delegation
if
there
are
issues,
and
so
the
again
you
know,
I
don't
know,
there's
a
way
to
quantify.
G
You
know
which
delegation
put
it
over
the
edge,
but
I
think
the
more
people,
the
more
organizations
that
go
talk
and
have
a
common
message.
I
think
the
more
the
more
important
that
is
so
that's
that's
kind
of
the
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
some
of
the
work
that
the
rclc
has
done
in
the
in
terms
of
that
lobbying.
G
The
other.
The
other
aspect
that
I
think
was
mentioned
about.
What's
that
the
interest
of
doe
in
having
the
rclc,
when,
when
doe,
wants
to
determine
what
kind
of
the
cleanup
priorities
they
should
be
and
the
level
of
cleanup
and
what
they
should
be
concentrating
on
and
so
forth,
it
is
important
to
them
to
know.
For
example,
what
the
end
uses
might
be
of
of
an
area
that
they
will
be
that
they're
they're
doing
cleanup
on
right
and
that,
and
that
depends
on
the
community.
G
So
they
want
to
know
what
the
community
thinks
they
want
to
educate
the
community
as
to
what
the
the
pro
their
progress
is.
Answer
questions
maybe
correct
some
misconceptions
about
what
they're
doing
and
why
they're
doing
it
and
so
forth,
and
that's
really
what
this
grant
that
they
provide
not
just
to
historically
to
to
the
rclc
but
to
other
communities
around
the
country
for
the,
for
similar
reasons,
to
educate
the
community
to
learn
from
the
community
as
to
what
their
priorities
are.
G
G
B
Thank
you
and
in
your
presentation
you
gave
me
an
example
of
the
work
you
do
for
dealing
with
contamination
and
cleanup.
So
thank
you,
for
that.
Is
there
anyone
from
llano
or
doe
or
the
federal
government
on
the
coalition.
G
No,
the
only
members
of
the
board
have
to
be
are
elected.
G
Elected
representatives
from
each
other
governing
bodies
we
do
have,
the
alternate
can
be,
and
often,
for
example,
might
be
the
city
manager
or
county
manager.
Who,
who
may
be
the
alternate
but
representation
on
the
board,
is
by
the
elected
officials.
B
G
B
And
did
I
hear
council
women?
Vietnam
say
that
some
of
your
funding
comes
from
d.o.e.
G
Yes,
so
about
yeah,
so
about
half
our
funding
comes
from
contributions
by
members.
It's
a
little
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
historically,
we've
also
had
a
grant
from
the
department
of
energy
of
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
again
there's
limits
to
what
those
grants
can
be
can
be
used
for.
G
Understanding
what
the
community
wants?
You
know
the
types
of
things
that
I
talked
about
earlier,
that
that
doe
is
interested
in
getting
from
from
us.
And
again
I
mentioned
that.
It's
not
that
this,
the
energy
communities
alliance,
which
is
again,
is
like
the
national
version
of
the
rclc,
also
receives
substantial
grants,
and
they
also
have
the
same
limitations.
B
G
No,
I
think
the
range
goes
from,
if
I
recall
correctly,
from
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
by
some
communities
to
ten
thousand
dollars
by
several
communities,
and
then
los
alamos
county
contributes
60
000,
which,
given
that
that
a
larger
percentage
of
the
employment
or
or
the
residents
of
los
alamos,
are
employed
at
the
laboratory,
and
things
like
that
that
that
was
kind
of
a
historical
agreement
that
predates
me
as
to
what
the
level
of
each
community's
contribution
was
and
then
who's.
G
The
fiscal
agent
currently
for
the
coalition,
so
los
alamos
county
is
the
is
the
fiscal
agent.
G
In
the
last
year
we
have
developed
new.
I
guess
the
term
is
internal
controls,
so
that
there's
more
approvals
that
are
done
at
the
board
level.
G
And
los
alamos
county
is
the
fiscal
agent,
but
I'm
also
treasurer
of
of
the
of
the
rclc.
So
I
can
tell
you
that
basically,
they
hold
the
checkbook
and
they
do.
They
do
write
the
checks
and
sign
the
checks,
because
they're
they're,
the
signatories
of
the
accounts,
but
only
under
upon
approval
by
the
by
the
board,
and
they.
G
Auditing
things.
B
G
Yeah,
so
as
fiscal
agent,
they,
the
auditor,
would
come
to
los
alamos
county
and
look
at
our
books.
We
we
do
have
a
contracted
accounting
firm.
That's
another
thing
that
that
los
alamos
county,
no,
no,
no
longer
does
we
have
an
outside
accountant.
We
have
an
outside
legal
and
and
then,
of
course,
we
had
an
outside
auditor
that
that
completed.
N
Madam
chair
follow
up
briefly
on
the
questions
about
the
different
dudes
that
the
different
communities
pay.
How?
How
are
those
formulas
determined
of
who
pays
how
much.
G
So
that
that
predates
me,
I
know
that
there's
some
understanding
about
the
relative
economic
impact.
I
think
that's,
but
I
don't
I
I
couldn't
tell
you
kind
of
what
the
formulaic
approach
was.
The
dues
have
not.
Contributions
have
not
changed,
at
least
in
my
tenure
or
familiarity
with
the
with
the
rclc.
N
Okay
and
then
in
terms
of
of
influence,
does
each
of
the
nine
board
members
have
the
same
level
of
influence
on
the
decisions
and
actions
of
the
rclc?
Is
it
one
vote
one
member.
G
It
is
we,
we
do
have
an
executive
board
executive
committee
that
can
have
meetings
kind
of
special
meetings
between
regular
board
meetings.
Currently,
the
the
chair
of
the
of
the
rclc
is
commissioner
roybal
of
santa
fe
county.
G
The
vice
chair
is
councillor
fernandez
of
town
of
taos,
and
the
secretary
is
mayor.
Sanchez
of
espanol.
N
N
So
you
know,
for
example,
you
mentioned
that
at
this
moment
there's
been
more
focus
on
environmental
cleanup,
not
as
much
focus
on
potential
mission
of
lannel
or
or
that
piece,
and
how
was
that
decision
made
around
taking
a
position
or
not
taking
a
position,
for
example,
as
councilwoman
vader,
I
was
mentioning
plutonium
production.
N
G
I
well
you
know:
councillor
garcia
can
maybe
share
his
observations
as
well,
but,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know
we.
We
understand
that.
There's
that
there's
a
diversity
of
interests
within
the
rclc
there's
a
diversity
of
interest
within
each
of
the
communities
that
that
belong
to
the
rclc
right.
Some
some
community
portions
of
the
community
are
more
interested
in
environmental
issues.
Other
other
parts
of
the
community
or
members
are
as
interested
about
workforce
issues
and
employment
issues
and
main.
G
So
we
have
to
thread
that
that
needle
as
as
a
organization
that
tries
to
fos
to
have
a
a
unified,
unified
voice
when
we
speak
to
the
outside
community,
so
it
we
all
understand
that
we
all
have
different
constituencies
and
we,
like
said
we
try
hard
to
find
the
areas
that
are
common.
I
mean
it
would
not.
It
would
not
be
very
effective
or
as
effective
to
go
to
washington
dc
and
say
here
is
here's
what
we
would
like
you
to
do
on
a
vote
of
five
to
four
right.
G
We
want
to
say
every
member
of
this
is
a
unanimous
thing
that
we're
all
interested
in
cleanup.
We
are
all
interested
in
supporting
our
educational
institutions
so
that
so
that
the
laboratory
will
have
a
a
healthy
workforce
to
to
choose
to
choose
from.
That's
that's
something
that
we're
in
common
with.
You
know.
We
want
the
contractor
to
use
part
of
the
fee
that
it
collects
to
turn
it
back
around
for
support
of
the
of
the
community.
G
One
little
statistic
is
the:
when
I
was
talking
to
somebody
about
it,
they
they
said
well.
Did
you
know
that
lannell
is
one
of
the
biggest
contributors
to
food
plan
trees
in
the
area?
Well,
I
I
didn't
know
that,
but
I'm
glad
they
do
and
if
they
weren't
I
would
be.
G
They
should
also
be
contributing
to
alleviating
some
of
the
social
needs
in
our
community,
not
just
being
a
good
citizen
and
that's
something
that
we
can
all
get
behind,
and
we
can
say
if,
if,
if
the
laboratory
falls
behind
on
that
responsibility,
then
we
can.
We
can
go
to
to
the
laboratory
first
into
the
laboratory
or
the
contractor
doesn't
listen
to
us.
Then
we
can
go
to
other
influencers
that
might
that
might
be
effective.
So
so
I
I
hope
that
that
helps
in
in
council.
G
Garcia
is
that
kind
of
consistent
with
with
how
you
you,
you
see
that
work?
If,
if
I
may,
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
that
rcl,
I'm
giving
you
my
my
you
know,
interpretation
of
how
that
works.
O
O
We
have
to
remember
that
I
am
a
representative,
so
I
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
the
city.
Any
issue
would
be
brought
forth
by
the
governing
body
and
then
I
can
bring
it
up
to
rclc.
O
So,
for
example,
if
the
city
passed
resolution
saying
we
don't
we
want
to
stop
pip
production,
and
this
is
an
example.
I
would
take
that
forth
to
rclc
and
see
if
there
was
support
at
rclc
for
that.
So
hopefully
that
answers
your
question.
I
think
it's
it's
very
open.
I
think
we're
there's
nothing
that
limits
me
from
being
as
a
member
to
bring
forth
any
concerns
that
I
have
that
the
city
would
have
I'm
sorry.
I
shouldn't
say
I
that
that
the
city
might
want
me
to
bring
forth.
N
Thank
you
counselor.
So,
for
example,
we
just
passed
the
resolution
that
councilwoman
veterielle
and
counselor
lindell
sponsored
about
the
swice.
Were
you
able
to?
Is
that
an
example
of
something
that
you'd
be
able
to
bring
to
rclc
to
potentially
gather
further
support
from
the
rest
of
the
coalition?
O
Yes,
I
could
so
during
comments
from
the
membership
similar
to
the
way
we
have
comments
from
the
governing
body.
I
can
bring
it
up
then,
or
I
can
have
it
as
a
request
to
have
it
as
an
agenda
item
during
the
meeting.
N
Okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
hearing
your
experience
of
representing
santa
fe.
Okay.
I
don't
think
I
have
any
further
questions.
I
I
do
think
that
you
know
I
what
I
know
I'm
struggling
with.
I
cannot
speak
for
my
other
colleagues
is
again
just
the
understanding
of
the
of
the
return
and
the
the
tangible
impacts
of
our
clc,
and
I
do
know
that
there
has
been
my
understanding
some
changes
within
rclc's
staff
and
leadership.
If
I
am
correct
with
the
executive
director,
am
I
correct
in
that
understanding.
C
C
G
Counselor
it
is,
it
is
open
at
this
point.
Yes,.
N
Okay,
thank
you,
so
I
think
just
understanding
again,
what
are
what
are
the
tangibles
that
we
get
out
of
this,
and
how
does
this
support
our
community
and-
and
I
I
think
for
me-
it's
this
piece
of
wanting
to
make
sure
that
we
do
have
a
voice
at
the
table
and
then
understanding
what
that
voice
brings
us
and
potentially
a
little
bit
more
focus
from
the
governing
body
moving
forward.
N
If
we
do,
you
know
continue
to
participate
in
both
what's
coming
out
of
there
as
well
as
looking
at
where
we
want
our
representative
to
be
bringing
things
forward,
and
I
believe
that's
where
I
am
right
now
is,
I
don't
think
I'm
quite
I'm
quite
ready
to
give
up
my
voice
at
the
table,
but
I
do
want
to
know
a
bit
more
regularly
what
that
voice
is
getting
and
what
that's
bringing
forward,
and
so
I
think
that
that
might
be
something
for
not
might.
N
That
is
something
that
we
should
talk
about
as
a
governing
body
of
how
do
we,
as
a
group,
look
at
some
of
our
focuses
and
and
what
we
would
like,
counselor
garcia,
to
represent
on
our
behalf.
As
well
as
how
do
we
start
to
get
some
information
back
on
what
the
tangible
return
is
of
us
being
there,
so
I
think
that's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
more
discussion.
I
believe
kyle.
That
would
be
something
that
we
would.
You
would
be
our
staff
member,
that
we
would
work
with
on
that.
C
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Counselor
counselor,
rivera
your
hand
is
still
up,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
an
old
hand
or
a
new
hand.
It
is
first
on
my
list.
C
Okay,
so
then
counselor
via
real
back
to
you.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
While
I
appreciate
that
counselor
garcia
wants
to
take
on
some
of
the
topics
that
we've
pushed
for
in
this
particular
governing
body
previous
to
him,
we
actually
had
quite
a
few
resolutions
stating
our
stance
on
plutonium
production
and
it's
never.
It's
gone
on
deaf
ears.
F
So
I
don't
still
think
that
the
rclc
is
the
entity
to
push
our
agenda
because
of
the
fact
there's
varying
interests-
and
you
know
maybe
even
values,
and
when
we
say
about
that
common
message
about
lobbying
and
with
all
due
respect,
counselor
israelovitz,
los
almost
county,
explicitly
supports
expanded
plutonium
pit
production
and
it's
a
priority
in
your
budget,
and
you
all
lobby
for
those
efforts,
and
so
that
to
me
is,
is
somewhat
of
a
conflict
like
the
the
fact
that
you
all
contribute
the
majority
of
the
remainder
of
the
funding
source,
60
000
out
of
the
100
000
and
then
the
rest
comes
from
doe.
F
F
You
know
los
alamos
county,
that's
what
they
choose
to
do,
it's
just
that
then
it
becomes.
It
creates
an
un
level
playing
field
for
us
and
we
contribute
only
a
certain
amount
and
think
about
the
pueblos.
They
only
contribute
3,
500
or
less
so
I
feel
for
them
I
mean
do
they
have
a
say
in
some
of
the
things
that
come
forth,
that
rclc
wants
to
push,
so
I
still
think
it's
still
unequal
and
that
we
can
look
at
other
ways
that
we
can
leverage
our
values
and
rclc
isn't
the
entity
to
do
that.
F
F
C
Okay,
other
questions
from
the
committee.
At
this
point
I
would
just
add,
I
believe
the
counselor
is
relevant,
started
this
presentation
tonight
talking
about
the
municipal
league,
which
is
a
body
that
he
and
I
both
are
members
on,
and
you
know,
maybe
that
serves
it
as
a
model
for
how
this
group
the
takes
on
you
know
the
consensus
items.
C
Certainly
I
will
tell
you
that
municipalities
across
this
state
are
not
all
in
agreement
on
all
issues
and
we
have
processes
for
how
we
determine
what
the
municipal
league
staff,
what
the
executive
director
lobbies
for
at
state
legislature-
and
we
have
a
very
diverse
group
of
of
people
and
interests-
and
you
know-
maybe
that
is
a
model
for
how
this
group
moves
forward,
certainly
to
counselor,
pass
at
sanchez's
point
the
northern
north
central
regional
transit
district
board
she's
the
current
representative
of
santa
fe
to
that
board.
C
I
served
on
that
when
I
was
first
elected,
they
have
weighted
voting
and
you
know
maybe
that's
something
I
I
do
think
that
some
of
the
membership
dues
are
probably
based
on.
C
I
know
I
know
for
the
north
central
regional
transit
district
board,
the
membership
amounts
are
are
based
on
gross
receipts
tax
revenues,
and
so
you
know
you
look
at
what
the
capacity
of
a
particular
local
government
is
to
pay
and
and
it's
you
know,
it's
it's
a
scale,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
you
have
more
voice
or
less
voice,
but
you
know
there
are
models
for
how
you
determine
things
like
that,
and
so,
as
this
as
this
group,
you
know
recovers
from
its
illustrious
past.
C
Maybe
they'll
look
at
other
other
groups
that
represent
regional
interests
and
and
look
for
models
about
how
to
how
to
be
a
better
organization,
and
I'm
hopeful
for
that.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
What's
the
pleasure
of
the
committee.
B
Madam
chair
has
this
passed
any
other
committees
or
is
this
I
think
finance
referred
it
back
to
quality
of
life?
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
back
to
finance
or.
C
J
I
do
apologize,
madam
chair
counselor,
the
first
time
we
went
to
quality
of
life.
There
were
some
questions
regarding
budget,
so
we
did
take
some
time
to
regroup
and
compile
the
memo
that
was
compiled
through
answers
from
our
clc
membership.
From
there
we
went
to
finance
committee
and
then
they
in
the
closing
of
that
agenda
item
said
that
we
did
not
need
to
go
back
to
finance
committee,
but
it
referred
back
to
quality
of
life.
To
answer
some
of
these
pertinent
questions
that
came
up
that
pertain
to
this
committee.
C
And
I
believe
it's
passed
out
of
finance,
so
it
you
know
and
I'm
sure
I
think
it
moved
forward
with
no
recommendation-
okay
so,
but
that
so
that
they
did
move
it
out.
C
Okay,
what's
the
will
of
the
committee.
C
C
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
You
know
if,
if,
if
he's
comfortable,
I
would
actually
really
like
to
hear
from
counselor
garcia,
you
know
somebody
who
has
the
most
experience
of
being
on
this.
I,
if
you
are
willing
to
share
some
of
your
thoughts
and
your
experience
being
on
our
clc,
I
would.
I
would
find
that
beneficial.
O
Sure,
madam
chair
counselor
casa
sanchez,
I
when
I
came
on
board
with
rclc,
it
was
in
the
middle
of
a
transition
year,
so
I
think
that's
probably
been
left
me
with
little
context
in
regards
to
the
potential
of
the
commission
or
the
committee.
O
O
I
think
the
the
access
and
the
engagement
through
the
members
that
are
currently
engaged
with
rclc
is
is
very
active.
I
think
the
challenges
that
I've
seen
in
regards
to
potential
quorum
issues
is
that
we
have
to
remember
we're
all
elected
officials
and
there
are
instances
where
we
are,
unfortunately
not
able
to
make
a
meeting
which
might
put
a
meeting
in
jeopardy
for
quorum.
I
don't
recall
that
that
has
happened
a
lot
in
my
one
year.
I
would,
I
would
venture
to
say
it.
O
O
So
so
with
that
being
said,
counselor
casa
sanchez,
I
think,
with
the
new
leadership
after
the
prior
executive
director
left.
There
is
opportunity
for
new
leadership
to
really
regain
focus
on
what
the
future
of
rclc
should
look
like.
O
I
think
that,
if,
if
the
governing
body
is
willing
to
look
at
this
as
a
one-year,
let's
see
what
happens
and
revisit
it
within
one
year
and
come
back
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
provide
not
only
quarterly
updates
to
the
governing
body
during
governing
body
meetings,
but
also
come
back
in
one
year
and
say:
look
this
is
what
has
been
accomplished
this
past
year
and
it
might
allow
the
governing
body
to
make
the
decision
to
continue
or
exit.
O
I
I
would
suggest
if
we
go
that
route,
we
do
so
within
a
time
frame
before
any
potential
dues
would
be
paid,
because
I
would
not
want
to
put
the
city
in
a
situation
where
we
we
make
a
decision
to
potentially
leave
our
clc
and
we
are
not
able
to
recoup
the
resources,
because
I
am
in
agreement
with
councillor
via
real,
whether
it's
ten
thousand
dollars,
ten
dollars
or
a
million
dollars.
O
This
is
all
taxpayer
resources
and
we've
got
to
be
good
stewards
of
the
resources
that
we've
been
entrusted
with.
So
I
guess
those
are
my
thoughts
that
it's
been
a
transition
year
and
I
would
I
would
suggest
we
see
what
can
be
accomplished
in
the
next
year
and
if,
if
we
feel
like,
if
it's
still
not
meeting
our
needs,
then
we
can
make
the
appropriate
decision
at
that
time.
N
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
garcia.
I
really,
I
really
very
much
appreciate
getting
your
viewpoint
on
this
and
that
opinion,
that's,
I
think,
kind
of
where
I've
been
leaning
is
looking
at
moving
forward
with
staying
in
this
year,
especially,
I
do
believe
that
we've
already
paid
those
dues
and
so
those
dues,
my
understanding
of
the
jpa,
is
correct
and
that
has
not
been
changed.
They
cannot
be
recouped.
N
G
Manager,
counselor
jessica
sanchez,
I'm
not
familiar
with
with
that
section.
We
do
have
a
legal
counsel
for
the
rclc,
and
I
would
just
defer
to
to
this
long
to
to
opine
on
on.
On
that,
I
wouldn't
want
to
make
a
commitment
either
way.
I
I
was
not
familiar
with
that
phrase.
I
just
thought
well,
if
somebody
overpaid
an
invoice,
they
you
refund
the
invoice
just
like
you
would
refund
anybody
anybody
else,
but
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
say
more
than
that
I
apologize.
Thank
you.
N
I
I
appreciate
that
nice,
I
suppose
you
know
that
would
be
good
information
for
us
to
get
moving
forward,
but
that's
all
thank
you
counselor.
I
do,
I
do
think
most
counselors,
but
thank
you
counselor
garcia,
for
sharing
your
thoughts
on
this
as
the
individual
who
is
who
is
sitting
there
and
who
has
that
experience?
I
really
appreciate
hearing
your
viewpoint.
F
Hand
new
hand
just
particular
fight,
and
I
appreciate
that
councilor
garcia
is
sitting
on
rclc
and
there
has
been
limitations
as
to
his
experience
because
of
the
current
situation
and
the
transition,
I
I
don't
feel
like
we
would
lose
a
seat
at
the
table
if
we
took
a
break
whether
it's
a
year
and
have
them
organize
and
be
clear
about
what
they
want
to
do
and
have
an
executive
director
and
actually
have
a
fiscal
aid
sponsor
or
agent
and
have
it
all
get
cleared
up.
F
I
just
feel
like,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
still
unknown,
and
I
would
rather
us
not
approve
this
jpa
and
not
be
a
member
to
show
that
these
we
take
this
seriously
and
we
take
it
seriously
that
our
role
on
this
on
the
rclc
is
that
we're
not
going
to
just
keep
waiting
to
see.
What's
going
to
happen.
Like
we've
been
doing
the
past
few
years,
and
so
I
just
feel
like.
F
We
need
to
be
clear
about
the
fact
that
we
want
to
see
changes
and
the
only
way
I
feel
like
we're
gonna
see.
That
is
if
we
actually
take
ourselves
out
of
the
rca
our
clc
until
we
can
determine
how
we
can
be
more,
like
our
values
are
going
to
be
represented
on
that
commit
on
that
board
and
also
just
how
the
organizational
structure
could
better
serve
us,
because,
right
now,
I
feel
like
having
different
elected
officials,
isn't
the
way
to
go.
F
C
Okay-
and
I
would
just
comment
that
I
think
we
should
be
part
of
those
conversations
where,
as
they
work
to
you,
know,
rebuild
and
get
their
house
in
order,
and
so
I
I
think
I
kind
of
agree
with
councillor
garcia
that
you
know
staying
in
and
and
shaping
what
the
future
looks
like
would
be
a
good
role
for
us.
C
C
C
B
Rivera
I'm
going
to
abstain
as
well
until
we
get
the
other
information
that
we
asked
for
regarding
contributions
who
contributes
and
how
much
everyone
contributes
since
this
is
moving
forward
anyway.
I'd
also
like
to
see
what
my
other
colleagues
have
to
say.
N
N
C
F
So
clarify
the
motion
again
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
in
finance:
we
moved
this.
We
moved
us
back
to
quality
of
life,
but
we
didn't
move
it
out
of
finance.
We
just
weren't
going
to
hear
it
again,
so
I
don't
really
understand.
That's,
not
that's,
not
necessarily
a.
I
think
we
moved
it
without
recommendation.
C
C
O
D
F
Counselor
via
rail
to
explain
your
vote
yeah.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
not
voting
for
this
because
I'm
clear
about
my
stance
on
this,
and
so
I'm
not
willing
to
move
it
forward
because
I
don't,
I
don't
think
we
should
be
well.
I
guess
I,
my
point
of
view
is
that
I
don't
think
we
should
be
part
part
of
our
clc,
but
I'd
also
like
to
request
in
before
we
go
to
governing
body
that
we
see
the
operating
budget
and
also
the
bylaws.
C
C
C
So
with
that
we'll
go
to
councillor
villarreal,
I
believe
you
pulled
this
item
as
well.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
a
couple
of
clarifying
questions
for
staff.
Remind
us
when
the
last
collective
bargaining
agreement
contract
was
updated.
M
Madam
chair
counselor,
vietnam,
the
last
one
that
went
through
was
that
was
approved,
was
in
july
of
20,
so
I
went
into
back
july
of
2020,
so
this
one
was
supposed
to
be
what
actually
this
one's
supposed
to
go
into
effect
july
of
2020..
M
The
one
prior
was
july
of
2019,
but
this
is
the
one
that
is
for
july
supposed
to
go
into
effect
july
2020,
but
it
was
delayed
due
to
the
the
pandemic
and
some
of
the
challenges
we're
experiencing.
F
Okay,
so
it
was
already
up
the
time
frame
was
up
and
we
were
supposed
to
renew
and
then
it
was
delayed
due
to
various
situ,
well,
the
pandemic,
etc,
but
so
we're
on
schedule
right,
I
mean
kind
of
we're
behind,
but
we're
we're
following
a
regular
schedule
of
updating,
correct.
M
Yes,
counselor,
our
hope
is
to
get
this
contract
approved
once
it's
approved,
we're
going
back
into
negotiations
and
we're
going
to
work
to
try
to
have
an
agreement.
That'll,
hopefully
go
into
place
by
july
of
this
year.
So
we
could
be
back
on
track
and
then
we
will
be
right
where
we
need
to
be.
M
City
side,
madam
chair
councillor,
betyan,
so
I'm
the
chair
for
that
management
team.
I
also
have
deputy
chief
paul
joy.
Captain
anthony
tapia,
miss
annamarie
bowen,
and
we
also
have
it's
represented
from
hr
and
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
and
I
can
get
you
their
names.
F
So
mostly
management
from
pd
and
then
there's
a
hr
representative
and
city
attorney,
not
city
manager,
right,
that's,
correct,
counselor,
okay
and
then
I
was
trying
to
figure
out.
There
was
a
change
about.
M
M
No
counselor
what
it
did
was
it
clarified
it
with
the
previous
agreement,
the
employee
had
15
days
after
the
chief
provided
their
recommendation
of
what
the
discipline
is
going
to
be
imposed
and
they
could
file
their
rebuttal
anywhere
from
day
one
through
day
15.
They
could
file
it
on
the
last
day
right.
There
there's
a
big
issue,
because
if
the
city
manager
looks
at
the
case
and
by
day
10,
they
say
I
either
concur.
Don't
concur
with
the
recommendation.
M
It
can
have
an
effect
if
that
employee
waits
until
the
end
of
that
time
to
submit
their
petition
with
a
new
contract.
What
it
states
is.
They
have
five
days
from
the
time
that
the
chief
provides
their
recommendation
to
petition
the
city
manager
and
then,
once
that
petition
is
received,
the
city
manager
has
15
days
to
provide
a
response
to
the
employee,
and
that
allows
an
opportunity
also
for
the
employee,
to
request
a
conversation
with
the
city
manager
which
can
be
entertained
at
the
city
manager's
discretion.
M
Thank
you.
One
of
the
thing
that
we
clarified
too
was
it
said
working
days
and
we
change
it
to
business
days.
Reason
being
is,
as
you
know,
fire
department,
police
department
and
other
agencies.
They
have
working
days
which
run
through
the
weekend.
We
wanted
to
be
business
days,
so
if
the
city
was
not
open
for
a
holiday,
then
that
would
not
count
against
the
employee
for
their
time
duration.
So
just
so,
everyone
has
a
clear
playing
field
on
what
the
the
time
limits
are.
F
F
M
Madam
chair
accounts
for
varian,
so
we
had
to
take
out
the
percentage
increases.
If
not,
then
there
they
would
rate
an
increase,
and
this
year
there
was
no
financial
funding
available
to
make
that
happen.
So
we
had
to
remove
those
increases,
but
we
still
have
them
at
their
current
rate
of
pay
as
a
result
of
last
the
last
contracts
increase,
so
there
was
no
reduction
in
pay.
However,
there
was
no
increase
in
pay
either
it
just.
It
stayed
pretty
much
a
flat
budget
in
the
area
of
pay.
F
I
thought
we
did
make
some
changes
based
on
like
current
standards
of
different
classifications,
and
we
made
those
adjustments
accordingly
and
is
that
what's
reflected
in
here
or
that's?
This
is
not
the
document
that
would
show
that.
M
Madam
chair
counselor
of
vidyan
is
not
reflected
here
with
the
previous
contract.
What
it
did
was
it
brought
up
their
their
base
rate
of
pay.
So
this
was
falling
like
the
comp
in
class
everything
else
where
the
other
city
departments
went
through
copping
class,
those
that
were
out
of
compen
class.
That
was
rectified
also
with
the
2019
contract
for
fy19,
but
as
right
now
we
just
kept
it
as
a
flat
budget
again
due
to
the
financial
situation.
M
There
was
nothing
that
would
permit
us
to
provide
for
increases
at
this
point,
so
we
kept
it
as
a
flat
budget,
so
our
employees
pay
was
neither
increased
nor
decreased.
We
just
took
off
that
percentage
because
had
it
stayed
in
with
a
new
language
and
set
for
fy,
you
know
2122,
then
we
would
have
to
have
funding
to
support
that
and
we
didn't
have
funding
this
year.
F
M
Yes,
ma'am
madam
chair
counselor,
video,
so
under
the
previous
contract,
the
big
issue
that
we
had
was
you'd
have
to
spend
the
same
amount
of
time
as
a
lateral
officer
with
the
department
to
test
for
detective,
as
you
would
for
sergeant.
M
What
that
did
was
that
kind
of
put
us
in
a
situation
where
why
test
for
detective,
when
I
can
test
for
sergeant
right
now,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
addressed
was
we
aligned
the
time
and
service
with
our
other
staff
to
where,
regardless,
if
you
start
with
us,
or
if
you
come
as
a
lateral
officer,
you
have
to
spend
seven
years
with
the
agency
in
order
to
qualify
to
test
for
sergeant
on
the
other
side
as
well.
M
We
saw
that,
on
our
recruiting
side,
we're
kind
of
missing
a
an
item
with
our
laterals,
where
we're
having
them
spend
again
three
years
with
the
department
before
they
can
test
for
detective.
Now,
if
we
have
someone,
I
always
look
at
one
of
our
tenure
detectives,
detective
trujillo.
Everyone
knows
him.
If
duterte
here
was
recruited
by
an
agency,
he
has
such
a
wealth
of
knowledge.
I'd
hate
to
put
him
on
patrol
for
three
years
and
then
try
to
put
him
in
detectives
at
that
point.
M
M
So
our
current
staff
can
also
test
for
detective
after
three
years
of
service
with
the
department,
so
that
benefits
us,
because
if
we
do
have
a
lateral
candidate
that
comes
in
that
has
experience
as
an
investigator
or
supervisor
and
they
can
bring
that
wealth
and
knowledge
to
our
agency
and
assist
us
that
gives
them
that
opportunity.
So
it
was
a
win
in
both
aspects.
The
other
side,
too,
is
with
the
the
composition
of
our
department,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
officers
that
are
young
in
their
career.
M
That
helps
us
also
fill
that
void
of
experience
as
well
for
detectives,
because
some
of
our
officers
on
patrol
were
not
really
showing
interest
in
being
a
detective,
we
saw
that
change
recently.
The
last
year,
but
that
gave
us
a
little
bit
of
room
in
the
event
we
do
get
a
lateral
that
has
that
experience
again
it
doesn't
guarantee
that
they
will
become
detected.
It
just
provides
them
an
opportunity
to
test
and
compete
for
that
position.
F
Good
to
know,
thanks
for
the
clarity,
I
don't
have
any
other
questions.
Madam
chair
other
questions
from
the
committee.
B
Sorry
d.c
walters
on
18be.
It
talks
about
a
qualifying
military,
lateral,
hired.
How
many,
how
many
of
those
military
lateral
hired
do
we
have
in
the
department
and
how
many
were
hired
before
july,
1st
2020.
M
Madden,
chair,
counselor
rivera
so
right
now
we
have
one:
that's
in
the
process
he's
looking
to
get
hired
here.
I
think
about
april
5th.
So
right
now
we
submitted
his
paperwork
because
the
contract
is
not
approved.
He
will
fall
under
the
prior
contract
where
he
will
have
his
years
of
service
as
a
military
police
officer
recognized,
he
still
has
to
go
through
the
cert
by
waiver
through
the
state
new
mexico
to
be
certified
as
a
law
enforcement
within
the
city,
new
mexico.
M
But
anyone
following
that
candidate
they
will
fall
under
the
contract
if
it
is
approved.
Prior
to
that
offhand,
I
could
think
of
about
three
to
four
military
ladders
that
we
did
have
that
came
in.
We
were
very
fortunate
with
a
number
of
them.
They
had
experience
that
they
were
bringing
at
the
table.
They
adapted
very
quickly
to
civilian
law
enforcement
and
the
protocols
that
we
utilize,
but
we
also
saw
some
of
them.
M
In
you
know,
our
community,
the
reason
being
is
their
jurisdiction
is
on
the
post
and
when
they're
on
the
post,
if
you
don't
act
accordingly,
the
repercussions
for
a
member
of
the
military
is
going
to
be
a
lot
different
than
someone
who
you
know
has
an
infraction
in
our
community.
For
example,
if
you
get
a
traffic
infraction,
they
can
say
all
right,
cool
you're
going
to
get
docked.
M
Your
pay
you're
going
to
get
this,
and
that
and
you
have
to
go
pick
up
trash
where
in
our
system
you're,
given
the
penalty
assessment,
you
can
elect
to
go,
do
community
service
in
lieu
of
paying
the
penalty
assessment
and
it's
a
different
process
of
doing
so.
The
other
side,
too,
is
they're
dealing
with
members
of
the
military.
So
it's
a
bit
different
than
dealing
with
people
in
our
community.
So
we
recognize
that
and
we
want
to
do.
M
We
are
recognizing
that
they
do
have
the
military
service,
so
the
big
benefit
is
they've
already
attended
a
law
enforcement
academy
through
the
military,
either
through
military
police
school
and,
for
the
most
part,
that's
pretty
consistent
with
what
they
do.
Most
of
them
go
to
the
same
school
across
all
branches
of
services.
So
it's
pretty
consistent
training,
which
is
good,
but
we
build
on
that
foundation
by
sending
them
to
the
nmle
and
giving
them
those
basic
skills
that
they
need
like.
M
We
would
a
cadet
at
the
academy,
and
you
know
we're
hopeful-
that's
going
to
be
very
helpful
for
our
agency
that
will
help
us
again
build
those
values
and
mold
those
officers
to
be
great
officers
and
also
help
them
transition
from
being
a
military
police
officer.
To
you
know
a
police
officer
for
the
city
of
santa
fe.
B
And
can
you
explain
to
me
one
more
time
why
he'll
fall
under
or
he
or
she
will
fall
under
this
qualification?
If
they're
not
going
to
be
hired
well,
they
will
be
hired
after
july.
So
you
see
that
one
person
coming
on
in
a
couple
weeks.
M
M
E
C
Thank
you
counselor
other
questions
from
the
committee.
What's
the
will
of
the
committee.
C
M
M
C
All
right,
thank
you,
chief
and
deputy
chief
for
being
here
we're
moving
on
to
action
items
for
discussion.
There
are
none
so
from
there
we'll
move
to
presentations,
and
we
have
director
brown
with
us
to
talk
about
the
cares,
act,
small
business
impact
and
then
future
federal
state
funding,
welcome
and
sorry
we're
running
late
tonight.
Glad
you're
here
take
it
away.
Thank.
Q
You
thank
you,
I'm
on
a
different
time
zone.
So
it's
good
it's
good
and
good
evening.
Everyone,
members
of
the
council
man
of
chair.
Let
me
just
share
my
screen
and
I'll
find
my
deck.
Q
Okay,
so
I
was
going
to
just
present
an
overview
of
the
cares
act,
grant
that
we
did
for
businesses,
small
businesses
and
nonprofits
and
then
take
you
through
some
of
the
program
grants,
loans,
etc.
That
are
are
in
the
pipeline
on
state
level
and
also
on
a
federal
level,
and
then,
once
the
federal
arp
program
is
underway,
I
will
come
back
again
and
sort
of
talk
about
what
are
we
doing
from
economic
recovery
and
relief
standpoint?
So
so
I'll?
Q
Take
you
through
these
slides
and
we'll
figure
out?
What's
next
so
some
background
on
this
cares
emergency
financial
program,
the
city
and
the
city
and
county
partnered
together
to
provide
this
cares
act
program,
3.8
million
dollars,
and
we
had
to
create
a
an
application
in
like
three
weeks
to
put
this
together,
because
the
money
was
going
to
run
out
in
december
31st.
Q
So
we
decided
to
work
with
the
county
and
the
small
town
of
edgewood,
because
we
thought
we
could
maximize
our
capacity
and
and
serve
our
constituents.
I
knew
up
front
that
most
of
the
money
would
go
to
the
city
of
santa
fe,
but
strategically
it
was
a
great
idea
to
sort
of
merge
everyone
together,
because
our
businesses
really
don't
know
the
border
between
the
city
and
the
county,
and
so
that
partnership
worked
that
way.
Q
So
the
county
helped
us
with
grant
management
procurement
and
setting
up
the
review
committee,
and
then
we
were
in
charge
the
city
of
making
sure
that
we
we
did
outreach
to
businesses
to
make
get
them
into
the
program.
Q
We
had
a
number
of
local
partners
work
with
us
to
distribute
the
funds
actually
to
help
with
the
applications
and
distributing
the
funds.
We
had
north
central
new
mexico
economic
development,
district
dream
screen.
Q
We
had
some
contractors
in
the
end
and
then
the
review
committee
was
the
ultimate
review
with
the
grant
manager
when
the
applications
came
through
and
we
advertised
on
many
channels
in
english
and
spanish,
and
there
was
a
total
of
about
900
businesses
that
were
eligible
to
participate
in
the
program
and
the
total
businesses
that
participated
were
446
and
I
showed
broke
down
in
a
second.
Q
So
some
rules
that
have
with
it
was
a
it
was
based
upon
businesses
that
had
revenue
up
to
five
million
dollars
in
2019
and
earlier
no
start-up
businesses
were
allowed
to
apply
or
new
businesses,
because
it
was
based
upon
your
prior
year's
revenue
originally
said
at
2
million
and
it
was
raised
to
5
million
and
then
some
of
the
grants
were
funded
through.
It
was
loss
of
revenue
between
a
period
of
of
march
and
december
of
the
year
before.
Q
So
that's
where
we
looked
at,
who
could
qualify
for
this
program,
and
so
it
went
through
the
partners
to
the
grant
manager,
the
grant
manager
reviewed.
The
applications
went
to
the
review
committee
and
that's
when
the
grant
money
was
dispersed
through
the
county.
Q
So
some
results
from
that.
There
was
a
total
of
171
businesses
and
non-profits
that
were
awarded.
As
you
can
see.
84
of
them
came
from
the
city
of
santa
fe.
We
doled
out
3.7
million
dollars
in
funding
with
another
91
000,
an
administration
fee
for
the
application,
support
and
the
grant
manager
et
cetera,
and
so
we
spent
about
97
of
the
money
for
this.
This
program,
the
highest
award,
was
25
000,
I'm
sorry,
average
amount
was
21.7,
but
the
high
score
did
come
up
to
20
25
000..
Q
We
originally
had
it
at
15,
but
we
realized
that
in
the
time
that
was
left,
we
wanted
to
give
as
much
out
as
possible
to
those
programs
are
those
companies
and
nonprofits
that
could
be
eligible.
We
did
have
223
businesses
that
did
not
receive
any
grant
funding,
mainly
because
of
the
late
in
game
aspect.
Q
It
was
a
lot
of
information
that
had
to
be
compiled
in
time
and
we
had
to
spend
it
all
by
december
31st,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we're
trying
to
cue
them
up
for
the
next
grant
program,
since
we
have
all
their
information
in
the
system
we're
trying
to
cue
them
up
so
that
if
we
get
our
federal
art
money,
we
can,
we
can
do
it
from
there
and
we
have
to
sort
of
work
with
the
state,
possibly
if
it
doesn't
come
directly
to
the
city
or
county.
Q
Some
of
the
lessons
learned
learned:
we
recognized
that
the
next
time
the
the
any
grant
funding
comes
through
that
we're
going
to
look
for
a
tech
application.
There
was
so
much
paperwork,
it
just
slowed
down
the
process
and
we
only
had
less
than
three
months
to
put
the
the
program
out
there
and
so
having
a
tech
program
would
have
actually
helped
us
put
information
in
and
process
grants
there.
Q
Another
issue
that
we
learned
is
that
some
of
the
federal
business
agencies
like
sbdc
weren't,
really
allowed
to
participate
because
they
were
already
getting
federal
money
and
we
needed
that
sort
of
local
agency
to
help
us
process
them,
but
they
couldn't
apply
to
the
rfp
and
we
had
to
send
the
grants
or
send
the
constituent
businesses
to
them
on
the
side,
because
they
weren't
officially
allowed
to
accept
money
for
services.
Q
We
had
less
than
60
days
to
process
the
claims,
and
so
that's,
as
I
said,
that
we
made
it
through
171
with
223
that
still
did
not
make
it,
but
we're
hoping
in
the
next
round
that
they're
first
in
line,
and
then
we
also
recognize
that
we
might
have
to
spend
more
for
small
business
support
services
just
so
that
we
can
have
some
time
to
train
our
support
ecosystem
so
that
if
there
is
a
onerous
paperwork
process,
everyone's
on
board-
and
we
can,
we
can
process
them
more
quickly
and
we
did
lots
of
spanish
and
english
webinars
that
were
sent
out.
Q
But
we
also
recognized
that
we
probably
have
to
do
those
on
facebook
more
because
it
seems
like
facebook
is.
The
is
the
way
to
go
for
some
of
these
outreach
programs
on
top
of
radio
et
cetera
and
in
the
paper.
Q
So,
as
I
move
from
our
cares
act,
that's
some
of
the
data.
I
have
I'm
going
to
move
into
some
of
the
opportunities
ahead.
There's
a
number
of
bills
coming
through
the
legislature.
This
one
is
house
bill,
11
that
sets
aside
additional
200
million
dollars
for
leader-related
businesses
and
these
all
the
rules.
Q
It's
a
lot
of
fault
smiles
will
print
there,
but
it's
based
upon
jobs
and
business
expansion
and
the
money
normally
lita
can
be
over
10-year
period,
but
this
can
come
in
a
shorter
period
of
time
over
four
quarterly
payments,
where
we
usually
do
a
lease
abatement
over
a
period
of
time.
Q
This
one,
I
think,
has
been
signed
by
the
governor
now.
The
next
one
is
the
senate
bill
3,
which
is
small
business
recovery.
It
is
a
loan
program
and
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
good
loan
program.
Q
What
we're
finding
is
our
small
businesses
are
not
very
interested
in
taking
out
loans,
and
so
we're
trying
to
encourage
them
to
look
at
the
long
game
of
bringing
their
business
back
up
to
the
to
the
normal
spot
that
they
were,
and
a
loan
would
be
a
easier
way
to
do
that,
because
the
grant
is
such
a
short-term,
fixed
for
usually
past
expenses,
whereas
a
loan
can
actually
look
at
your
future
revenue
and
operations
going
forward.
Q
Some
other
programs
that
the
new
mexico
state
economic
development
group
is
working
with
with
the
federal
government
is
the
the
ppp
program
right
now.
There's
a
special
period
for
really
tiny
businesses
through
the
end
of
this
month,
and
I
thought
was
a
really
cool
idea
to
get
businesses
to
try
the
ppp
if
you're,
under
two
million.
This
is
the
time
to
apply
for
ppp,
because
the
larger
enterprises
corporations
have
been
shut
out
until
march
31st,
so
we're
hoping
that
a
line
share
of
the
small
businesses
will
get
some
of
this.
Q
This
ppp
money
and
the
idle
program
is
a
relief
program.
Some
of
our
larger
local
businesses
have
applied
for
this
again.
It's
a
loan,
and
so
some
of
the
larger
business
tech
companies,
creative
companies
here
have
applied
for
that,
and
then
the
third
one
is
just
the
deferment
of
an
sba
loan
and
that's
again
again
a
loan,
but
it's
a
great
way
to.
Q
Q
These
next
slides
really
talk
about
the
upcoming
art.
This
is
called
this
america
relief
plan.
This
is
the
new
biden
administration
stimulus
package
that
comes
out
of
that
1.9
trillion
dollars.
There's
about,
I
think
it's
almost
15
billion
that's
used
and
set
aside
for
different
types
of
small
business
programs.
So
the
top
one
is
this
community
navigator
grant
for
100
million
dollars,
and
these
are
all
nationwide
numbers.
I
haven't
really
been
able
to
get
what
the
specific
city
number
is.
Q
Then
we
know
that
we're
going
to
a
city
is
going
to
get
about
15
million
dollars
in
grant
funding,
but
we
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
separate
between
city
general
fund
or
it's
going
to
have
a
separate
tranche
for
small
businesses.
So
so
I
want
to
just
give
you
an
overview
of
some
of
this
relief
programs.
This
community
navigators
grant
for
us.
It's
a
great
thing
for
us
to
really
get
out
there
and
work
on
what
we
call
the
jump
start
aspect
of
businesses.
Q
We
want
to
figure
out
how
to
get
some
of
these
businesses
jump
started,
understand
what
what
they
need,
collect
some
data
and
then
work
with
our
business
community
partners.
From
from
that
standpoint,
that's
where
the
outreach
and
education
piece
comes
in
and
then
there's
10
billion
set
aside
for
small
business
credit
initiative.
This
is
part
of
an
earlier
job,
jack
piece,
and
it's
now
also
going
to
be
tied
into
a
restaurant
relief
fund.
As
you
all
know,
we
have.
Q
Q
As
you
know,
there
are
a
lot
of
businesses
that
could
not
afford
to
hold
the
wages
for
folks
if
they're,
essential
employees
and
had
to
leave,
they
didn't
have
any
insurance
or
they
didn't
have
any
unemployment
they
couldn't
survive
after
the
unemployment
insurance
ran
out
or
the
employee
could
not
employer
could
not
pay
more.
So
this
is
a
great
way
for
employers,
especially
small
businesses,
that
don't
carry
large
unemployment,
insurance
or
or
other
benefits
to
small
to
their
employees.
Q
This
is
a
great
way
to
to
support
those
efforts,
so
this
is
another
thing
that
will
be
coming
through
what's
exciting
about
this.
Our
program.
Most
of
it
is
that
it's
coming
in
two
ways
and
from
what
we
know
it's
going
to
extend
until
2023,
so
there'll
be
a
lot
of
time
to
get
businesses
on
board
and
look
through
the
grant
first
phase-
maybe
loan
second
phase,
as
we
make
through
make
our
way
through
this
pandemic
and
the
economic
downturn.
C
Thank
you,
questions
from
the
committee.
F
Council
via
real,
thank
you,
madam
chair
good,
to
see
you
rich
you're,
probably
on
spring
break
and
presenting
your
time,
even
though
you
should
be
lying
on
a
beach
somewhere
for
us.
I'm.
There
was
a
lot
of
information
if
you
could
just
send
us
the
slides
for
sure
I
might
have
missed
this
because
I
took
a
bio
break.
Did
you
say
the
cares
act?
Funding
for
small
businesses
and
nonprofits
was
that
to
keep
payroll
going
or
was
that
just
any
expense
they
had
as
a
real
coveter?
Can
you
I
might
have
missed
that.
Q
Madam
chair
council
verial,
the
karzak
funding
was
actually
what
they
call
business
continuity,
so
it
was
used
for
rent
electric
bills,
telephone
bills,
those
sorts
of
things
that
that
help.
You
continue
your
business,
keep
your
lights
on.
F
Got
it
and
then
was
there,
did
they
have
any
requirements
for
a
number
of
employees
that,
for
that
particular
business
in
order
for
them
to
be
qualified
to
apply.
Q
No,
the
qualification
was
based
upon
revenue,
2019
taxable
revenue,
so
it
originally
was
2
million
and
it
was
raised
to
5
million
and
and
most
of
our
businesses
are
under
two
million.
But
we
did
have
a
couple:
businesses
that
are
vital
to
the
community
that
are
in
the
two
to
five
million
range.
F
Q
171
were
funded,
223
had
applied,
but
the
by
the
time
they
applied
either
the
money
had
run
out
or
the
time
had
run
out.
So
we
have
all
their
data
and
so
we're
trying
to
get
prepared
to
queue
them
up.
If
we
get
more
specific
funding
from
the
art
program
got
it.
F
All
right
and
then
the
other
stuff
I
I'll
just
have
to
look
at
it
again,
because
it
was
a
lot
of
dense
information
about
what
I.
So,
if
I
have
any
questions
I'll
ask
you
later.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
rich
for
taking
time
out
of
your
spring
break.
To
present
to
us.
We
won't
try
to
keep
you
too
long.
You
said,
171
got
funded
and
you
gave
presentations
both
in
spanish
and
in
english.
Do
you
have
a
breakdown
of
what
percentage
of
the
171
funded
were
potentially
english
as
a
second
language
businesses?
Q
I'll
I'll
ask
my
county
counterparts,
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
little
difficult
it
wasn't.
It
wasn't
a
stat
that
they
they
gathered.
Well,
I
I
can
ask
my
county
counterparts.
B
If
you
can
do
that,
that
information
would
be
helpful
and
again
thanks
for
taking
the
time
and
I'm
glad
we
were
able
to
make
an
impact
on
at
least
171
that
were
funded
and
I'm
glad
you
have
the
223
ready
to
go
for
any
additional
funding.
So
appreciate
that
as
well
sure.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
N
Councillor
cassette
sanchez,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and,
and
thank
you
so
much
rich
for
being
here.
A
quick
question
of
223
total
applied
and
of
those
171
receive
funding
or
223
additional
applied,
and
we
have
them
in
the
queue.
Q
Yeah
so
madam
chair
council,
cassie
sanchez,
there
are
two
numbers:
171
was
the
number
of
people
who
businesses
that
applied,
that
received
funding
and
then
223
also
applied,
but
did
not
get
a
grant
fund.
N
Okay,
perfect,
wonderful,
I
I
had
first
understood
it
one
way
and
then
another
way.
So
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
you
might
not
have
time
for
this
presentation
today
and,
and
it
might
be
a
larger
discussion,
but
something
that
I
am
curious
about
learning
more
about
in
the
future.
Obviously,
dollars
is
one
of
the
number
one
ingredients
that
we
need
for
economic
recovery,
but
I'm
also
just
I'm
curious
what
we
as
a
city,
are
doing
to
help
support
businesses
recover
that
maybe
is
not
financial,
whether
that
be.
N
I
know
that
there's
different
small
business
associations
that
we
can
connect
people
to
if
we're
thinking
about
any
types
of
campaigns
that
we
might
be
able
to
promote
our
businesses.
I'm
just
curious:
what
are
the
other
pieces
of
this
economic
recovery
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at?
Besides,
just
money
going
in
which
which,
of
course
is,
is
the
key
and
necessary
ingredient
that
we
have
to
have,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there's
anything
else,
that
we
need
to
to
be
baking
the
economic
recovery
cake,
if
you
will.
Q
So
also
sanchez
I
can
I
can.
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
So
there's
a
number
of
different
paths
that
we're
taking
right
now
on
the
recovery
side,
and
we
really
want
to
get
to
the
resiliency
side.
But
but
a
couple
things
that
we're
doing
are:
we
have
sponsored
a
number
of
local
business
advisory
groups
that
are
doing
information
resource
webinars
over
the
last
three
months
and
over
the
next
nine
months,
because
information
is
power
to
a
business,
that's
trying
to
grow,
so
they
need
to
know
about
taxation.
Q
They
need
to
know
about
e-commerce.
They
need
to
know
about
what
is
finance,
be
financially
literate,
those
sort
of
things.
There
are
a
lot
of
small
businesses
that
did
not
have
a
fundamental
basis
as
they
were
growing
their
business
as
it
grew
organically.
So
we're
doing
a
lot
of
webinars
around
just
free,
come
hear
the
story
about
you
know
what
about
taxes
and
and
what
about?
How
you
build
your
books
and
what's
about?
What's
a
balance
sheet
and
what
about
branding
and
what
about
e-commerce?
Q
And
how
do
you
pivot
to
a
new
channel?
So
we're
doing
a
lot
of
that
and
we're
also
we
use
some
of
I
use
some
of
the
of
our
funding
to
sponsor
some
entrepreneurial
accelerators.
So
we
have
a
food
one
going
on
right.
Now
we
had
a
social
benefit
company
accelerator
that
just
finished
their
cohort.
Q
We
are
in
the
middle
of
us
bringing
to
the
council
the
business
incubator
contract
for
four
years
and
we're
also
our
funder
of
the
new
mexico
angels
for
venture
funding
for
small
businesses
to
grow.
I'm
also,
I'm
gonna
cross
my
fingers
right
now,
but
if
we
get
our
federal
dollars,
one
of
the
crazy
ideas
that
I
have
in
the
pipeline
right
now
is
that
I
want
to
open
up
an
entrepreneur's
center
in
on
airport
road
for
immigrant
businesses.
Q
They
can
have
just
like
a
fedex
office
right.
You
can
come
in
bilingual,
get
all
your
business
services
once
a
week.
There's
a
business
partner
of
ours
who
does
business
advisory
that
comes
in
and
sits
with
you
and
answers
your
questions,
and
we
want
to
bring
sort
of
that
closer
to
the
neighborhood
and
we
have
them
all
over
the
place
in
midtown.
Q
We
have
them
downtown,
but
we
don't
really
have
them
near
or
by
the
airport
road
area,
so
I'm
hoping
to
get
some
federal
grant
money
for
that
and
the
next
piece
I'm
working
on
again.
Q
This
is,
if
I
hope
to
get
the
federal
funding
is
that
we
want
to
work
on
a
giant
job,
training
and
workforce
program
where
we
can
place
an
intern
in
a
business
that
could
help
with
the
e-commerce
the
the
social
aspect
of
businesses
that
are
always
never
or
never
had
a
website
or
never
had
a
a
social
presence
that
are
now
sort
of
struggling
to
figure
out
how
to
find
their
audience
beyond.
Just
the
people
who
live
within
a
two-mile
radius
of
the
business.
Q
So
so
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
working
on
right
now
that
we're
trying
to
get
in
front
of
so
that
either
comes
through
the
fy
22
budget,
or
we
get
it
through
the
federal
grant.
Once
that
money's
been
put
into
the
coffers
for
the
city.
N
Wonderful,
thank
you.
That's
that
was
great
to
hear,
and
I
am
I'm
excited
that
you
know
to
be
learning
more
about
these
as
they
come
to
development.
Thank
you
so
much
for
for
thinking
about
these
and
then
one
last
question.
I
know
that,
prior
to
the
pandemic,
we,
you
know,
we
frequently
have
these
conversations
about.
N
How
do
we
diversify
our
economy
and
you
just
listed
a
number
of
ways
that
we
are
looking
at
potentially
doing
that,
but
we
had
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
the
tech
industry
and
bringing
the
tech
industry
to
you,
know
to
santa
fe
and
some
of
the
different
tech
startups
that
that
have
been
attracted
here
and
I'm
I'm
curious
if
the
pandemic
has
shifted
that,
because
I
I
know
that
a
lot
of
work
companies
and
I
would
imagine
a
lot
of
tech
companies
especially
are
looking
at
almost
this
100
virtual,
not
having
a
headquarter,
and
so
I'm
curious
how
that
has
impacted
our
views
on
that
as
one
of
the
many
viable
industries
that
we
were
looking
at
in
the
city
and
and
what
that
might
mean
for
us.
Q
That's
a
very
good
question
and,
and
the
couple
things
going
on
concurrently
one
is
that
we
have
two
new
tech
companies
here,
both
startups
one
is
actually
out
there
finding
venture
funding,
they're
located
downtown
and
then
in
two
weeks.
I'm
also
talking
to
another
tech
company.
Q
That's
looking
to
move
here
and
then
the
third
one
is
that
we
have
a
tech
entrepreneur
who
who
moved
here,
sold
his
company
moved
here
and
is
looking
to
build
an
innovation
village
in
the
south
of
town
by
the
presbyterian
hospital,
and
he
is
wants
to
put
together
sort
of
a
recruitment
strategy
to
bring
tech
companies.
Q
But
he
wants
to
mix
it
with
a
housing
and
walkable
city
idea,
and
the
other
sort
of
interesting
trend
is
that
a
lot
of
the
tech
companies
are
moving
into
a
remote
mode,
remote
work
mode,
so
they're
not
really
looking
for
a
commercial
space
yet
but
they're.
Q
Looking
for
satellite
offices,
because
the
remote
workers
are
now
across
the
country-
and
some
are
looking
at-
oh
you
know
I
might
want
to
come
to
the
winters-
are
great
because
you
can
go
skiing
in
towson,
go
skiing
in
santa
fe
or
just
enjoys
the
you
know
the
atmosphere
here.
So
so
some
of
these
tech
companies
are
looking
to
branch
out
and
sort
of
build
small
satellites
to
take
advantage
of
the
talent
that
might
be
here.
Q
So
that's
something
that
we're
also
looking
at,
but
right
now,
I'm
just
nurturing
these
smaller
tech
companies
that
are
that
are
interested
in
coming
here.
I'm
trying
to
steer
them
first
to
the
downtown
area
to
get
some
vibrancy
downtown,
but
but
they
are
calling,
and
so
once
the
the
remote
companies
are
sort
of
looking
at
you
know
what
to
do
and
see
santa
fe
put
the
signal
up
for
us
we're
hoping
that
they
come
here.
Q
Q
So
we
see
a
triple
benefit
from
it,
one
that
they're
gonna
be
able
to
take
advantage
and
sort
of
spur
the
growth
of
the
businesses
surrounding
that
building,
because
it's
it
will
be
500
people
at
once,
but
they'll
be
nearly
250
on
a
daily
basis.
You
know
with
their
spend
in
a
3-4
mile
radius
of
that
area,
so
that's
gonna,
sort
of
rock
the
the
growth
of
that
area
and
then
two
that
some
who
don't
live
here
will
probably
get
sick
of
the
commute
and
say
well.
Q
This
is
a
great
place
to
live
and
move
here
and
then
three
they
will
attract
other
businesses,
plus
they
will
do
likely,
hopefully,
some
tech
transfer.
Instead
of
going
to
albuquerque
or
going
to
silicon
valley,
they
can
actually
just
branch
out
their
tech
transfer
here
in
santa
fe,
because
it's
right
in
the
backyard
where
they
have
other
resources.
N
Wonderful,
thank
you
for
that,
and
it
just
as
a
side
comment,
and
you
know
things
that
we
always
think
about.
As
we
look
at
the
balance
of
you
know
growing
companies
here
and
what
that
means
for
housing,
and
I
and
all
these
are
now
under
you.
So
this
is
this
is
helpful
and
just
as
we're
thinking
about
that
also
thinking
about
what
that
means
for
housing
for
our
community.
N
That
is
already
here
as
well
as
it
just
always
makes
me
think
about
what
are
the
the
pipelines
to
make
sure
that
these
jobs
are
available
for
santa
feins,
and
how
else
are
we
bringing
in
educational
opportunities
and
working
with
the
educational
institutions
in
the
region,
so
that
some
of
these
new
jobs
will
then
be
available
for
our
local
community
and
that
they
have
the
job
training
and
and
how
we're
looking
at
those
pieces
as
well?
N
N
That
was
a
you
know,
as
we
were
talking
about
the
rework
that
this
was
one
of
the
potential
opportunities
that
we
had
here
is
how
we
can
look
at
all
of
these
different
components
that
go
together
and
make
sure
that
we
are
addressing
them
together,
so
that
growth
in
one
sector
doesn't
negatively
impact
the
outcomes
that
we're
looking
for
on
the
other.
So
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
talk
about
those
things
with
me.
C
Thank
you
any
other
thoughts
from
the
committee,
just
real
quick,
so
some
of
these
loan
programs
are
they
revolving
loans,
like
what
happens
you
when
the
when
the
money
gets
paid
back?
Are
we
just
going
to
keep
lending
it
out?
I
mean:
is
this
a
long
term
commitment
in
these
areas
or
I
don't
know
it's
sort
of
getting
the
whole
loan
idea,
what
what
happens
or
once
they're
paid
back
I
mean
I
can't
imagine
we're
sending
the
money
back
and
being
like.
Okay,
that
was
good,
yeah.
All
right,
curious.
Q
Yeah
some
of
the
the
federal
loan
programs
are
pretty
much
what
I'd
call
a
forgivable
loan
program.
It's
almost
like
our
leader
program
is
that
as
long
as
you
are
paying
you,
you
can
take
a
they'll
stretch
out
your
your
terms,
et
cetera
ones
are.
Are
I
forgot?
I
think
that
the
house
one
is
kind
of
a
revolving
loan
program
where,
once
the
money
is
paid
back,
they
can
extend
the
program
because
they'll
know
how
big
their
pot
is,
but
more
than
anything
else
they
they.
Q
They
want
to
encourage
just
putting
the
money
into
play,
putting
it
into
the
into
the
into
the
the
community
and
that
the
terms
of
the
the
life
of
the
loan
is
a
almost
a
secondary
piece,
because
that's
a
just
a
way
for
them
to
say
you
know,
because
so
many
so
many
businesses
are
so
reticent
about
taking
loans
out
that
they
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
as
easy
a
term
as
possible
before
they
have
to
pay
back.
Q
So
so
I
think
the
house,
one
is
probably
I
think
it's
revolving
one,
but
the,
but
the
other
ones
are
really
focused
on.
You
know
it
should
be.
You
know
you
get
the
loan
and
you
don't
stay
start
paying
back
for
three
to
five
years
in
those
three
five
years
you
may
be
able
to
just
pay
it
back.
You
know
you
just
might
go
to
balloon
it
back
to
them,
but
that
the
money
is
just
being
flow
to
the
system
and
that
the
terms
are
pretty
easy
for
them.
At
the
end,.
Q
So
some
are
yes,
so
some
like
there's
one
I
think
it's
the
for
which
one
it
is,
but
the
leader
one
is
the
same
way.
It
said
based
upon
job
growth
and
that's
another
reason
why
they
want
the
loans
out.
There
is
based
upon
job
growth
that
job
growth
turns
into
a
consideration,
for
the
money
that's
being
loaned
out.
Is
that
if
you
reach
your
job
numbers,
then
your
loan
or
amount
could
be
forgiven
over
this
course
of
time.
C
Yeah
interesting,
okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
being
with
us
tonight,
enjoy
your
break
and
if
you're,
even
getting
one,
maybe
just
a
change
of
scenery.
Do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
director
brown?
Why
we
have
him?
C
Matters
from
staff
jennifer:
do
you
have
anything?
No,
I
don't
mad,
I'm
sure
all
right
matters
from
the
committee.
C
Seeing
none
matters
from
the
chair,
our
next
meeting
is
wednesday.
Can
you
believe
it
it's
going
to
be
april?
7Th
2021
the
year
is
moving
ahead
thanks,
everybody
great
conversations
tonight
we'll
see
you
next
time.
We
are
adjourned.