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A
All
right
so
hello,
everybody,
we
are
calling
to
order.
The
january
20th
meeting
of
the
quality
of
life
committee
just
pulling
up
my
agenda.
I've
had
a
little
bit
of
technical
difficulty,
but
if
we
could
get
a
roll
call,
while
my
agenda
pulls
up,
that'd
be
great:
okay,
counselor,
cassette
sanchez.
D
A
Councilwoman
renee,
vietnam,
president
and
chair
carol,
romero
worth
I
am
here,
sounds
like
we're
all
here.
So
that's
great
welcome
everyone
happy
day,
happy
now
inauguration
day,
woohoo.
A
And
want
to
move
to
approval
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
changes
from
staff
on
the
agenda?
No
changes
tonight?
Okay
and
any
changes
from
the
committee,
and,
if
not,
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
move
for
approval?
Second,
great:
we
have
a
motion
by
councillor
rivera
second
by
cass
councillor,
cassette
sanchez.
A
D
A
And
chair
carol-
ramirez,
yes,
all
right,
we'll
move
then
to
the
approval
of
the
consent
agenda.
Are
there
items
that
the
committee
would
like
to
pull
from
the
consent
agenda.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
with
that,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
counselor
via
rail.
Can
you
add.
A
Great,
so
with
that,
can
we
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
as
amended.
A
All
right,
let's
see
counselor
garcia,
did
I
hear
you
make
the
motion
and
then
council
rivera
was
the
second.
D
Yeah,
that's
fine
or
counselor
casey
sanchez.
I
think.
A
I
know
it
was.
It
was
a
one
of
those
photo
finishes:
okay,
jennifer.
If
we
could
have
a
roll
call
on
the
approval
of
the
consent
agenda.
Excuse
me
councillor.
G
D
A
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
by
councillor
rivera
second
by
councillor,
cassette
sanchez.
If
we
could
take
the
role
one
more
time
on
approval
of
the
minutes,
sure
councilwoman
renee
villarreal,
yes,.
D
A
Yes
and
chair
carol-
romerworth,
yes,
okay!
So
with
that
we
will
go
to
the
consent
agenda
and
we
have
two
items
from
the
consent
agenda
to
consider
tonight.
The
first
one
is
number
six:
a
request
for
approval
of
an
agreement
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
american
traffic
solutions.
Inc.
Let's
see,
I'm
sorry
who
did
pull
this
councilor
rivera
was
that
you
or
account
or
counselor
garcia?
Maybe
you
both
counter
garcia
was
first
okay,
councilor,
garcia.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
think
I've
got
some
questions
for
our
police
force
team.
So
I
don't
know
if
they're
on
with
us.
A
D
Think
I
see
deputy
chief
valdez
all
right.
Yes,
he
is
here
good
evening,
deputy
chief.
How
are
you
a
couple
quick
questions
for
you?
I
know
that
it's
mentioned
that
the
state
does
not
allow
these
speed
cameras
to
be
on
state
roads
such
as
cerritos
and
saint
francis
and
st
michaels.
Can
we
get
clarification?
Why
they
don't
allow
that,
if
they're
going
to
be
taking
50
percent
of
the
revenue
generated
from
these
fines,
why
why
aren't
they
not
allowing
them
on
state
roads.
I
Madam
chair
councillor,
garcia,
that
was
a
and
mac
rule
that
was
passed.
I
believe
back
in
2010
that
prohibited
the
deployment
of
these
devices
on
state
maintained
roads.
So
the
I
believe,
the
new
mexico
department
of
transportation.
I
They
had
a
committee
and
they
instituted
that
and
mac
rule,
and
they
also
required
that
we
have
to
pay
50
of
the
fines
that
are
collected
to
the
state.
Although
these
devices
are
not
to
be
deployed
on
the
state
road,
so
any
other
road
that
is
utilized
to
be
for
speed
enforcement,
that
50
would
go.
So
I
think
that's
something
that
if,
because
I
see
it
as
a
big
portion
considering
we
have
several
main
roads
through
our
jurisdiction.
I
That
would
certainly
benefit
from
this
type
of
device.
But
I
think
that
would
be
at
a
higher
level
than
where
I'm
at
to
make
that
consideration
known
to
that
committee.
D
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
clarification
deputy
chief.
So
if
I'm
understanding
correctly,
if
we
went
and
appealed
to
the
department
of
transportation's
board
that
made
this
rule,
they
might
be
able
to
rescind
it
to
allow
devices.
Just
because
the
question,
reasoning
and
justification
is,
I
see
that's
where
a
lot
of
speeding
is
done
in
particular
late
at
night.
You
know
I
I
I'm
up
at
five
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
I
I
don't.
D
I
see
people
racing
into
town
folks
that
are
commuting
into
the
city,
because
there's
no
presence-
and
in
particular
you
know,
saint
francis
right
around
cerringo
area.
I
see
people
blowing
by
60
70
miles
per
hour,
sometimes,
and
if
we
can
minimize
that
with
some
of
these
potential
deployment
of
these
speed
cameras,
I
think
that
would
help.
D
I
just
didn't
understand
why
we
couldn't
deploy
them
if
we've
used
the
roads
for
other
instances
like
when
we
implemented
the
signs
that
they
don't
donate
to
panhandlers
donate
to
a
local
charity
and
such
so
I
didn't
know
what
the
justification
was.
So
thank
you
for
that
clarification,
deputy
chief.
A
It's
actually
state
law,
so
it
would
need
a
legislative
change
to
do
that
and
I
believe
I
can't
remember
what
year
it
was
passed,
but
we
can
certainly
get
that
information.
D
Okay,
thank
you
counselor
for
that
clarification
in
regards
to
the
breakdown
deputy
chief,
why
is
it
so
skewed
why,
if
these
are
being
utilized
on
our
city
streets,
I
can
understand
you
know
the
the
company
that
we're
potentially
going
into
contract
with
wanting
their
their
cut
40,
but
for
the
city
to
get
10
percent.
D
Did
we
negotiate
that?
How
did
we
arrive
at
10.
I
Madam
chair
counselor
garcia
that
portion
that
they
get
that
40
that
covers
all
expenses
for
them
to
operate.
The
camera
devices
pretty
much
they'll,
be
managing
everything
aside
from
us
doing
the
validation
of
the
citations.
That
would
also
include
any
collections
that
come
up.
So
if
someone
is
in
default
and
they
have
to
go
to
collections
and
recover
that
for
the
50,
fine
it'll
cover
that
and
there
will
be,
I
believe,
two
dollars
that
will
come
back
to
the
city
with
them
for
a
fifty
dollar.
I
Fine,
if
it's
a
hundred
dollar
fine,
we
would
owe
the
company
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents
for
those
collections
and
but
that's
for
just
the
whole
management
of
the
program.
They
do.
The
maintenance
on
equipment,
deployment
of
the
equipment
they'll
be
deploying
the
signs
for
us
as
well.
Anything
needs
to
be
done
with
equipment.
They're
gonna
take
care
of
that.
I
Our
role
is
gonna,
be
to
validate
the
violations,
so
they
can
then
be
sent
out
as
notices
of
a
violation
and
they'll
be
responsible
for
collecting
and
getting
the
funds
deposited
into
our
account.
Once
it
goes
full
circle,
then
they
send
us
an
invoice
and
then
we
are
billed
for
that
service
and
that's
when
we
settled
the
amount
due
at
that
40
percent
per
violation
for
services
rendered.
I
D
Okay-
and
I
guess
the
last
follow-up
in
regards
to
the
the
breakdown
is
10
percent-
even
gonna
cover
our
costs.
Are
we
going
to
be
operating
in
the
red?
I
know
that
you
said
if
it
hits
a
hundred
dollar
fine
we're
going
to
pay
250..
So
is
this
ultimately
going
to
cost
us
resources
and
we're
going
to
just
kind
of
be
out
of
pocket?
And
I
I
don't
see
the
benefit
in
that
sense.
I
Counselor
garcia,
so
until
the
services
are
rendered
and
it
goes
full
circle-
that's
when
the
amount
will
be
due
if
we
have
a
ton
of
violations
in
a
school
zone
or
construction
zone
where
it
is
that
100
hour
fee
and
they
go
into
default,
then
at
that
point,
that
would
take
money
from
the
program
to
pay
for
it.
But
again
we're
looking
at
this
program
being
self-sufficient.
I
It's
going
to
be
able
to
pay,
for
you
know
those
issues
that
come
up,
such
as
that
2.50
cents
do
for
those
fines
in
default.
If
it
does
come
to
that,
but
it
covers
a
whole
collection
process.
It's
a
lot
more
cost
effective
than
us
having
to
go
and
contract
with
another
company
to
do
the
collections
on
our
end
and
make
sure
that
that's
completed.
But
our
hope
is
that
the
program
is
going
to
be
self-sufficient.
I
That's
how
the
previous
program
that
we
had
was
operated-
and
you
know
with
that.
You
know
10,
which
equates
to
five
dollars
per
violation.
We
feel
that
that
should
be
sufficient
enough
for
us
to
operate
the
program
and
again
we're
not
due
to
pay
those
services
until
it
comes
full
circle
and
the
person
that
has
the
notice
sent
to
them
for
speeding
pays
the
fine.
I
We
get
the
money
deposit
into
our
accounts,
and
then
we
get
the
invoice
from
the
company
to
provide
payment
for
services
rendered.
So
again,
this
is
not
going
to
be
something
that's
going
to
be
a
big
revenue
generator.
The
vast
majority
of
the
revenue
that
is
going
to
be
derived
from
this
program
is
going
to
be
for
the
operating
expense
of
the
program
itself.
D
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
wasn't
in
the
sense
looking
at
it
as
a
revenue
generator.
I
don't.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
a
revenue
decrease
or
we're
not
paying
out
of
pocket
for
this.
When
we
we
technically
have
the
our
skills
with
our
police
force
to
implement.
D
You
know
speeders
and
we
can
deploy
them
throughout
the
city.
Just
like
these,
these
speed
cameras.
I
do
want
to
echo
some
of
the
concerns
that
was
brought
brought
up
during
the
finance
committee.
I
think
it
was
in
particular
by
councillor
romero
worth
in
regards
to
the
issue
of
this
being
looked
at
as
a
trial
program,
and
we
we're
kind
of
moved
away
from
that
and
not
implementing
the
two
that
was
agreed
upon
and
it's
six.
D
So
I
I
don't
know
if
that
we
were
talked
into
by
the
company,
because
obviously
they're
going
to
be
generating
more
revenue,
the
more
cameras
they
have
on
the
ground,
the
more
revenue
they're
going
to
be
generating-
and
I
think
that
to
me
is
very-
concerning
they're
they're,
ultimately
trying
to
put
more
on
the
ground,
make
more
money
for
themselves,
and
I
I
would
like
for
us
to
have
that
trial
period
to
see
see
where
we
go
with
this
and
then
in
particular,
if
we
can
work
with
our
colleagues
with
the
state
of
new
mexico
to
get
these
potentially
put
on
state
roads,
then
maybe
look
at
more
because
I
think
that's
where
a
lot
of
we
see
a
lot
of
high
high
speeders,
at
least
in
it,
and
I
hear
him-
I
see
him
and
I
get
a
lot
of
concerns
and
complaints
from
constituents
with
that.
A
Okay,
councillor
rivera,
you
also
wanted
to
ask
some
questions.
I
believe
thank
you,
madam.
G
Chair
chief
valdez,
can
you
explain
for
those
potentially
watching?
I
get
a
lot
of
questions
about
why
we
don't
put
them
at
intersections.
Can
you
address
that
for
anyone
that
might
be
listening.
I
Madam
chair
counselor
riveta,
I
I'd
actually
like
to
go
back
to
the
vendor
to
see
if
there
is
the
possibility
to
put
them
at
an
intersection,
but
these
devices
would
be
only
for
speed
violations
and
not
necessarily
you
know
red
light
violations
once
we
kind
of
get
into
that
realm,
that's
going
to
be
kind
of
a
different
animal,
but
if
we're
speaking
about
the
speed
devices
at
the
intersection,
I
can
provide
some
information
on
that
yeah.
So
let
me.
G
Let
me
re
address
my
question
or
re-ask
my
question,
but
it
is
about
red
light
cameras.
So
can
you
address
why
we
are
not
able
to
do.
I
That,
oh
absolutely
currently,
we
do
not
have
an
ordinance
that
allows
for
the
deployment
of
those
red
light
camera
devices.
You
know
the
ordinance
that's
on
the
books.
Right
now
only
applies
to
speed,
photo
speed
enforcement
cameras
and
not
red
light
camera
devices.
G
I
I
haven't
done
much
research
on
the
red
light
cameras.
Most
everything
I
have
is
focused
on
the
speed
cameras,
but
I
know
that
the
red
light
cameras
was
one
of
the
items
that
brought
this
issue
to
the
state
level
for
them
to
impose
not
only
on
the
red
light
cameras,
but
also
on
speed
cameras
at
50
percent
share
where
municipalities
or
jurisdictions
that
operate
them
would
have
to
pay
that.
But
you
know
with
those
red
light
cameras.
I
have
my
own
kind
of
concerns
with
them.
I
G
Okay,
thank
you
now
you
said:
did
you
say
regarding
the
hundred
dollar?
Fine,
that
if,
if
that
were
to
to
be
assigned,
I
guess
to
a
driver
that
we're
paying
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents
at
the
end
of
all
that.
I
Councillor
rivera,
that's
only
if
it
goes
into
default
and
if
you
have
to
go
to
collections
so
that
would
include
the
cost
of
conducting
the
collection
of
the
fee
once
it
goes
into
fall.
That
fine
goes
from
100
to
125
by
ordinance
because
it's
a
25
default
fee
and
with
the
percentage
that
is
collected
through
the
company
that
vera
utilizes
to
do
collections
through
they
take
30
of
the
amount
collected,
so
that
30
percent
causes
that
2.50
difference
that
we
would
owe
to
the
vendor
to
complete
that
collections
process.
G
Right
so
I
believe
our
ordinance
calls
for
a
50
first
time
fee
just
on
a
regular
roadway,
not
if
it's
in
a
school
zone
or
a
construction
zone.
So
if
someone
were
to
default
on
the
fifty
dollar,
fine,
then
how
much
would
that
cost
us
so
we'd
actually.
I
Make
two
dollars
actually
we'd
make
seven
dollars
and
fifty
cents
more
on
a
default
payment.
If
it
goes
into
goes
to
the
collection
agency,
because
we
have
the
50
fee,
they
impose
the
25
default
fee
which
is
75
and
then,
when
they
collect
30
percent
of
the
amount
collected,
the
collections
company
would
get
22
and
50
cents
and
we
would
get
2
and
50
cents
on
top
of
the
five
dollars
we
would
get
so
a
total
of
seven
dollars
and
fifty
cents
for
those
types
of
violations.
G
Okay,
so
in
in
just
you
know,
you,
google,
the
the
company
which
went
from
american
traffic
solutions,
I
think
to
this
ver
vera
group
vera
group
and
under
american
traffic
solutions.
They
had
some
issues
in
houston
with
some
contract
violations
and
it's
my
understanding
they're
still
going
through
it.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
from
the
company
has
spoken
to
you
about
it,
but
there
seems
to
be
some
issues
there.
Are
you
aware
of
any
of
those,
and
can
you
speak
to
any
of
those.
I
Councillor,
no,
I
I
don't
know
what
their
dealings
are
in
houston.
I
think
if
anyone
would
have
to
speak
upon
that,
I
think
it'd
be
the
company
itself
right.
G
And
I
know
when
we
had
this
program
out
before
there
was
a
lot
of
controversy
with
the
company,
I
believe
in
the
chicago
or
the
illinois
area,
and
that's
why
the
program
was
stopped
initially
and
I'm
just
you
know,
anytime,
you
read
about
controversies.
You
get
a
little
bit
more
in
tune
to
what's
going
on
and
I
guess
a.
J
G
G
All
right
and
my
last
question:
it
really
has
to
do
with
timing,
and
you
know
we're
still
in
the
in
the
middle
of
covid.
We
still
have
a
lot
of
people
out
of
work,
some
getting
funding
from
the
state
potentially
from
the
federal
government,
but
really
with
that
they're
having
to
prioritize
paying
rent
prioritize,
paying
for
groceries
or
potentially
other
things.
So
my
question
is:
is
this
the
right
time
to
try
to
do
this?
I
know
with
the
plastic
bag
ordinance
that
we
had.
G
We
did
away
with
that,
so
that
people
wouldn't
have
to
pay
10
cents
for
a
paper
bag.
That
groceries
were
being
bagged
in
and
my
thought
with.
If
we
had
this
in
place
prior
to
the
emergency
proclamation
that
we
may
have
looked
at
doing
or
putting
this
off
to
the
side
so
that
there
wasn't
that
initial
additional
burden
on
on
drivers
if
they
did
get
a
ticket
and
I'm
not
saying
there's
there's
you
know,
there's
definitely
not
a
good
time
to
break
the
lara
or
a
time
to
sort
of
put
it
away.
I
Well,
I
I
counselor
garcia.
I
think
one
thing
you
did
speak
to
again:
no
one
likes
to
get
a
ticket
the
best
way
to
avoid
that,
whether
it's
with
this
device
or
with
one
of
our
officers
in
the
street
is
to
obey
the
traffic
laws.
Do
the
speed
limit,
wear
your
seat
belts
to
after
phone
that
that's
the
sure
way
to
avoid
getting
a
violation
or
fine
and
the
program
again
it's
to
improve
roadway
safety.
We
can
certainly
see
that
people
are
under
unprecedented
times.
I
They
may
be
a
bit
distracted,
but
again
that
just
underscores
the
importance
of
a
program
like
this
to
make
sure
that
they
are
aware
of
the
speed
limit
of
where
they're
traveling,
that
they
are
operating
their
vehicles
safely.
And
you
know
no
one
likes
to
get
a
fine,
no
one
likes
to
get
any
type
of
fee
imposed
upon
them,
but
if
they
are
violation
law,
you
know-
and
I
think
this
council
also
looked
at
that.
I
There's
other
means
that
are
in
place
and
although
people
may
be
struggling
to
have
a
hard
time
to
either
provide
for
their
families
or
they
have
to
prioritize
where
their
expenses
go.
The
provision
was
passed
by
this
council
to
allow
for
community
service,
as
well
as
an
alternative
to
paying
the
fee
for
us
again.
You
know
if,
if
you're,
following
the
rules
and
you're,
not
speeding,
that's
what
we
want
to
achieve.
I
I
I
I
don't
know
saying
if
now
would
be
the
most
appropriate
time
or
when
things
were
looking
good
or
you
know
down
the
road,
but
I
think
the
big
thing
we
have
to
take
away
from
this
is
that
we
need
people
to
drive
safe,
we've
seen
through
kova
that
people
are
continuing
to
travel
much
to
what
counselor
garcia
said
as
well,
he's
here
and
then
they're
on
saint
francis
drive
and
some
people
they
are
making
use
of
the
road
now
that
it's
not
as
heavily
traveled
by
our
daily
commuters,
because
they're
telecommuting
or
they
are
out
of
work
they're.
I
You
know
out
there
speeding
on
these
roadways,
and
that
includes
both
saints
francis
and
we
see
it
on
somewhere
side
artillery
of
roads
too,
such
as
serengo
and
rodeo
road.
So
I
I
don't
know
you
know
for
me,
I
don't
know.
If
we
can
say
is
this
a
good
time?
Is
it
not
a
good
time,
but
you
know
if
you
want
to
avoid
a
ticket
and
that
kind
of
stuff
I
you
just
got
to
do
the
speed
limit,
that's
what
it
comes
down
to
and
be
aware
of
that.
G
Thank
you
chief.
I
get
it
saint.
Francis
is
a
good
example,
since
we
can't
put
speed
vans
on
that
street,
but
I
get
it
on
the
other
street.
So
again,
my
my
concern
is
is
the
timing
and
I'm
sure
we
could
talk
about
that
for
days.
But
with
that,
that's
all
the
questions
I
had
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
counselor
cassette
sanchez.
You
have
your
hand
up.
C
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair.
I
I
I
must
admit.
I'm
I've
been
pretty
torn
on
this
contract.
I
voted
against
it
in
finance.
I
have
had
some
meetings
with
constituents
where
traffic
again
came
up
as
one
of
the
main
issues
and
in
my
area
it's
really
rodeo
camino
carlos
ray
soringo
governor
miles
are
the
streets
that
I'm
hearing
a
lot
about,
as
well
as
some
of
the
smaller
side
streets
off
of
airport.
C
C
So
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
how
it
is
chosen
where
they
are
placing
it.
We
briefly
had
this
discussion,
but
especially
with
that
equity
lens
of
making
sure
that
we
are
not
targeting
areas
where
there
might
be
less
wealth,
accumulated.
I
Madam
chair
counselor,
costa
sanchez,
so
it's
gonna
be
based
on
data.
It's
gonna
be
based
on
constituent
complaints
that
we
get
one.
One
thing
that
we
again
we've
seen
during
covet
is
some
people
are
home
and
they
see
those
issues
at
a
more
frequent
rate
now,
because
they're
actually
more
aware
of
that,
and
the
other
side,
too,
is
some
of
the
areas
where
we've
historically
had
speed.
Complaints
continue
to
be
areas
of
concern.
I
I
I'm
very
humbled
and
again
to
this
whole
process.
It's
been
great.
Everyone
on
the
the
governing
body
has
been
really
supportive
of
us
with
our
staffing
and
wanting
officers
out
there
to
be
able
to
conduct
the
enforcement
and
education,
but
the
reality
of
it
is
the
time
to
get
someone
hired
trained
and
out
there
in
the
street
and
especially
during
challenges.
Now
that
we've
experienced
the
last
year
with
the
academy
you
know
being
shut
down
for
training,
it
really
poses
a
lot
of
challenges
for
us
with
these
devices.
I
Again,
it's
a
tool
to
help.
You
know
improve
roadway
safety,
it's
to
raise
awareness
for
people
to
let
them
know,
hey
here's,
the
areas
where
they're
gonna
be
deployed.
Here's
the
speed
limit
and
please
abide
by
the
speed
limit,
there'll
be
signage
on
approach
on
both
sides
of
the
camera.
I
You
know
what
your
background
is
your
favorite
team,
any
of
that
information,
whether
you're,
a
man
or
a
woman.
It
just
knows
here's
a
violation.
It's
going
in
excess
of
the
speed
limit,
they
issue
the
violation,
it's
validated
and
there
you
go
so
for
us,
it's
going
to
be
data
driven
if
we
have
a
neighborhood
that
has
concerns
with
speeding
complaints.
I
You
know
we
can
put
one
of
these
devices
out
there
or
we
can
put
out
one
of
our
jamar,
which
is
a
surveying
device
to
see
if
it's
an
area
that
needs
enforcement
and
both
those
devices
will
give
us
the
traffic
volume
how
many
cars
pass
through.
What
is
the
range
of
speed
that
they're
going?
How
many
are
in
violation
of
the
posted
speed
limit
and
that's
what's
going
to
drive
us
for
the
deployment
of
these
devices?
I
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
address
every
speeding
complaint
that
comes
in
every
day
and
we
deploy
resources
and
we
resolve
within
that
day,
but
oftentimes.
It
comes
down
to
people
having
to
be
on
a
list
to
say
all
right.
I
Here's
we're
going
to
focus
on
and
we
put
serving
devices
we'll
put
traffic
officers
out
there,
we'll
put
patrol
officers
out
there
to
survey
the
area,
and
sometimes
we
see
the
traffic
and
sometimes
we
don't
and
the
big
partnership
that
comes
from
it
are
people
that
bring
these
concerns
forward
and
there's
been
some
good
outcomes
where
I
know
a
community
called
australia.
I
There's
a
resident
there
that
had
a
concern
about
a
vehicle
that
was
consistently
speeding
early
in
the
morning
and
our
traffic
team
was
able
to
find
that
person
who
was
in
a
violation
of
the
the
speeding
laws
that
were
there
and
they
had
another
slew
of
other
items
that
came
up
where
that
person
should
not
have
been
driving
a
vehicle
in
the
first
place.
I
But
that's
the
main
focus
of
it
is
bringing
some
relief
to
some
of
these
neighborhoods
and
these
side
artillery
roads
that
people
are
seeing
these
issues
with
speeding
and
other
dangerous
driving,
and
our
hope
is
that
we
can
deploy
these
resources
there
and
that
would
allow
us
to
have
officers
then
start
focusing
on
those
other
areas
where
we
cannot
deploy
these
devices,
and
you
know
until
things
change
with
the
state.
You
know
that's
that's
the
way
we
have
to
tackle
it
from
that
point,
but
the
equity
in
it.
I
You
know
this
device
doesn't
see
people
based
on
who
they
are,
what
their
background
is
and
so
on.
It
just
looks
for
those
violations.
Is
this
vehicle
speeding
and
if
it
is,
it
captures
the
violation.
It's
then
validated,
and
it
goes
out
from
there
the
way
that
we're
looking
at
deployment
of
devices.
I
just
want
to
set
one
thing
kind
of
clear:
the
company
didn't
say:
hey,
we'll
give
you
a
deal
if
you
get
x
amount
of
devices
we'll
give
you
this
much
of
a
rate.
I
The
number
of
devices
that
we
identified
was
based
on
the
volume
of
concerns
and
assistance.
Calls
that
we
get
from
the
public
and
for
us
that
is
our
assessment
to
say,
cool.
We
have
three
on
the
north,
we
have
three
in
the
south
and
we'll
deploy
those
devices
equally.
If
the
number
six
is
a
little
bit
daunting
for
everyone,
you
know
we
can
go
down
to
two.
If
we
want
one
of
the
north
one
of
the
south,
we
can
give
that
one
shot
and
say
cool.
I
Let's
see
how
this
works
and
let's
see
if
it
can
fulfill
the
requests
coming
in
from
the
community
and
the
concerns
that
they
have.
You
know
we're
willing
to
work
on
this
thing
again.
We
understand
that
nothing's
going
to
be
100
perfect,
but
we're
willing
to
go
and
try
this
to
see.
Will
it
make
an
impact?
Will
it
make
our
streets
safer
and
that's
something
that
we're
looking
to
gain
with
this
program.
C
Thank
you,
deputy
chief
and,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
addressing
my
next
question-
your
you
covered
it,
which
was
looking
at
how
this
helps
with
department
capacity
and
what
that
means
for
the
fact
that
we
are
understaffed.
As
you
as
you
had
mentioned,
was
there
anything
else
that
you
would
want
to
add
to
that
other
than
the
answer
that
you
had
previously
given.
C
So
I
I'm
seeing
the
initial
term
is
18
months,
correct
and
then
an
option
to
renew
for
up
to
four
years.
My
am
I
remembering
those
numbers
accurately.
I
Madam
chair
counselor
cost
essentials.
Yes,
ma'am.
I
Madame
counselor
casa
sanchez,
so
on
the
pilot
that
was
something
I
was
looking
at
when
we're
first
looking
at
this
program,
I'm
bringing
it
back
because
we
want
to
make
sure
hey,
look,
here's
what
it
looks
like
and
kind
of
ease
into
it
and
from
looking
back
at
the
minutes,
it
was
chief
padilla
that
brought
up
that
statement.
I
But
looking
at
this
again,
we've
had
this
program
in
the
past.
We
understand
how
the
process
works
and
one
thing
that
we
are
looking
to
do
again.
If
this
is
approved
through
this
contract.
Same
thing,
like
we
did
with
the
previous
one,
we're
heading
here
or
we'll,
have
the
devices
out
and
we'll
be
sending
out
those
warning
notices,
saying:
hey,
look:
here's
these
devices
they're
new
they're
in
town.
I
If
this
would
have
been
live,
you
would
have
been
getting
a
violation
for
this
speeding
and
then
they
would
know
that
here's
the
notice
and
we
go
from
there
and
then
we
put
out
that
information
once
that
grace
period
passes
hey
effective
on
this
date
to
give
people
plenty
of
notice,
they're
going
to
be
issuing
live
violations,
and
then
there
will
be
a
fine
associated
with
that.
I
So
I
know
the
chief
mentioned
about
maybe
rolling
out
a
pilot
for
a
short
time
period,
whether
it's
a
pilot
or
if
it's
the
full-on
program,
it
would
still
require
a
contract
with
the
company,
and
you
know,
however,
you
guys
want
to
look
at
it
from
that
point.
If
you
feel
that
we
should
look
at
maybe
a
pilot,
we
can
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
see
if
that's
something
that
the
contractor
can
do.
But
again,
we've
seen
this
program
in
operation.
I
We
feel
that
we
can
be
able
to
get
it
set
up
in
in
a
few
weeks
few
months,
and
then
we
can
just
get
everyone
because
again
the
educational
part.
Is
this
someone
getting
a
notice,
they
may
say
hey.
I
know
it's
on
a
trial
program
now
and
it's
just
a
warning,
or
they
may
not
know,
and
when
they
get
that
notice
in
the
mail
they
may
say,
oh
well,
I
never
realized-
and
we
hear
this
time
and
time
again.
I
I
never
realized
that
it's
25
miles
per
hour
on
serena
road
and
for
me
that's
just
really
blows
my
mind
because
I'm
like
that
is
a
residential
area.
But
that's
where
that
education
part
comes
into
play,
and
you
know
this
is
again
going
to
be
a
tool
to
help
us
do
that.
But
if
you
guys
have
recommendations
on
that,
that
is
certainly
something
that
I
can
look
at.
I
C
Hey,
thank
you,
deputy
chief.
I
I
do
appreciate
that
information.
I
really
I
the
other
thing
that
I
must
say
that
I
do
like
about
the
plan,
for
this
is
the
signage
and
that
there
is
that
warning.
Do
you
have
more
description
of
what
that
signage
looks
like?
How
much
will
it
stand
out?
How
obvious
will
it
be
to
drivers
that
hey,
there's
a
speed
device
up
here
check
your
speed,
slow
down?
Will
we
also
there
have
the
you
know
warning
of
there's
a
speed
device
up
ahead
fyi,
you
should
be
going
25.
I
I
They
are
portable,
so
we
would
have
them
out
there
because
from
a
cost
savings
we
want
to
be
able
to
move
them
as
the
devices
move,
they
would
be
on
approach
they're
not
going
to
be.
I
I
What
we
also
do
whenever
these
devices
are
deployed,
we
make
sure
that
there
is
signage
that
lets.
People
know
hey
here's.
What
the
speed
limit
is
in
this
area,
most
every
like
with
road
design,
the
city
streets
department.
They
do
a
really
good
job
with
making
sure
that
those
signs
are
kept
up
and
if
they
are
missing
or
damaged,
they
get
them
replaced
entirely
matter,
but
we're
not
looking
for
a
gotcha
moment.
We
want
people
to
know
here's
the
speed
limit,
because
we
want
that
lasting
behavior
to
stay
where
they
are
falling.
I
C
Okay,
thank
you,
deputy
chief.
You
know
what
this
as
I
mentioned.
This
has
been
a
tough
one
for
me.
I
did
vote
against
it
in
finance.
I
did
have
a
number
of
talks
with
some
constituents
that
are
in
favor
of
this
program
because
of
their
concerns
of
speeding.
C
So
I
think
that
at
this
point
I'm
willing
to
support
it.
I
am
concerned
about
what
councilor
rivera
did
bring
up
about
the
issues
with
the
company
and
so
having
somebody
there
to
discuss
that.
Getting
some
more
information
for
me
would
be
necessary
in
order
to
do
a
final
approval
of
this
at
council.
C
And
I
I
know
that
many
of
my
colleagues
have
some
concerns,
and
so,
if,
if
there
were
alterations
that
they
would
want
to
make,
I
I
would
also
be
interested
in
hearing
this.
I
think
that
it's
it's
a
challenging
topic.
We
know
that
speeding
is
a
really
big
issue.
This
has
been
such
a
large
concern
in
my
district
zea
road
is
the
other
one
that
I
forgot
to
mention
that
you
know
people
go
very
very
fast
on,
but
for
final
approval.
C
I
would
want
to
hear
that,
so
I
think
that
that
is
another
place
of
discussion
is:
how
do
we
really
keep
our
eye
on
this?
If
we
do
approve
the
contract
at
governing
body
to
make
sure
that
it's
really
something
that
is
serving
our
community,
that
is
providing
the
education,
as
you
said,
does
not
create
these
gotcha
moments
and
that
really
is
serving
to
calm
traffic,
which
is
the
end
goal
that
I
I
know
that
we
are
all
really
looking
for
is
how
do
we
make
sure
that
people
are
driving
safely?
C
How
do
we
make
sure
that
they're
going
to
speed
limit?
So
do
you
think
there
are
a
few
more
things
that
I'd
like
to
see
a
governing
body
and
a
few
more
discussions
to
have?
But
I
do
appreciate
you
being
here
today,
so
thank
you.
Thank
you.
G
So,
chief,
it
says,
let
me
see.
G
Page,
I
guess
two
of
the
memo
that
excuse
me:
the
breakdown
for
a
50
violation
is
25
for
the
state
20
to
the
vendor.
Five
to
the
stop
program.
You
said
it
was
750.
G
To
the
stock
program
and
just
wondering
how
you
you
came
to
that
number.
I
Madam
chair
counselor
riveta
that
750
would
only
apply
if
it's
a
payment,
that's
in
default,
where
the
fine
would
go
from
fifty
dollars
up
to
twenty
five
dollars
or
from
fifty
dollars
to
seventy
five
by
twenty
five
by
way
of
the
default
payment
and
if
they
had
to
go
to
collections.
I
But
that's
where
that
750
or
five
dollars
would
go
to
the
stock
program.
In
addition
to
the
250
default
payment
based
on
the
collections
that
would
be
made
by
the
company.
I
Madam
chair
council
revenant
for
a
hundred
dollar
violation.
It
is
a
ten
dollar
because
we
get
ten
percent
of
the
fee,
so
it
might
be
something
on
the
mix
up
with
the
default
payments
versus
if
the
amount
is
paid
on
the
front
end.
If
there's
a
default
payment,
it
does
change
that.
But
what's
in
the
memo
is
fees
that
are
imposed
and
if
they
pay
for
it
on
time.
I
If
it
went
to
default
so
after
35
days
of
non-payment,
the
violation
goes
into
default
and
at
that
point
an
additional
25
fee
is
incurred.
Now,
when
that
goes
to
collections,
if
they
don't
pay
it,
the
collections
company
is
gonna,
receive
30
of
the
amount
collected,
so
they'll
be
collecting
125
dollars
of
that
30
of
that
they
would
keep.
I
I
G
All
right
and
if
a
person,
let's
say
you
had
a
child
that
was
speeding
and
you
decided
you
wanted
to
do
community
service.
How
much
then,
would
we
be
paying
the
company.
I
So
this
community
service-
again,
what's
due
to
the
company,
if
it's
a
50
fee,
we
would
have
that
person
would
be
imposed
community
service
for
the
amount
of
50.
So
with
the
living
wage
amount
that
they
have
it's.
It
works
out
to
maybe
a
few
and
a
half
hours.
It
isn't
quite
five
hours,
it'd
be
a
couple
hours,
but
the
fees
that
are
due
for
that
violation.
If
we
allow
community
service
would
be
incurred
by
the
city
to
be
on
the
safe
side,
if
it
is
a
50
violation.
I
I
So
if
we
don't
have
to
pay
the
state
anything,
we
would
pay
the
company
20
for
processing
that
violation
and
that
would
be
paid
for
by
the
the
program.
I
Over
my
question
lies
on
that
is
we're
not
collecting
a
fee
from
the
violator,
so
at
that
point
it's
it
is
a
violation,
but
it's
community
service.
We
still
have
to
pay
the
company
for
the
services
rendered
for
processing
the
violation,
but
if
the
fee
is
not
paid,
I
need
to
see.
Does
the
state
still
get
25
for
that
violation,
or
is
it
only
for
fees
that
are
paid
and
imposed
by
the
process?
I
So
that's
something
I
want
to
verify
with
the
state
to
see.
Do
we
still
have
to
pay
that,
because
that
that's
something
that
kind
of
stood
out
to
me
because
they
can
be
debated
both
ways?
Hey,
they
didn't
pay
a
fee.
They
did
community
service.
So
is
that
something
we
have
to
pay
the
state
for.
I
G
I
It
depends
on
what
they
say
with
that
community
service
portion
of
it,
but
we'd
be
paying
20
20
for
pretty
much
50
worth
of
work
that
our
community
would
benefit
from.
So
that
that'd
be
something
that
again,
the
community
gained
something
from
them
and
either.
A
H
Yellow
I'm
just
kidding
it's
funny
you're
right
different.
Now
it
used
to
be
blue
and
you
could
really
see
it
so
sorry
about
that.
Go
ahead!
Thanks!
Madam
chair,
just
a
quick
question
for
deputy
chief
valtez
that
I
was
trying
to
remember.
The
violator
is
sent
a
citation
in
the
mail.
I
Madam
chair
counselor,
yes
ma'am,
so
they're
sent
a
notice
in
the
mail
based
on
who
the
retro
owner
is
for
the
vehicle
and
we
get
that
registered
owner's
address
from
the
department
of
motor
vehicles.
H
I
Madam
chair
counselor,
the
idea
by
state
law,
if
you
do
change,
addresses
you're
required
to
update
your
driver's
license
address
and
your
registration
address
when
it
goes
out
to
the
first
notice.
If
it
goes
into
default,
then
when
it
gets
to
the
next
step,
they
get
that
second
notice,
and
you
know
again
if
it
shows
that
they
were
not
delivered
through
that
collections
process.
They'd
have
to
come
up
and
say:
hey,
look.
I
never
received
it
in
the
mail.
I
They'd
have
to
prove
that
point
and
again
through
collections
they
oftentimes
send
things
certified
mail
to
have
them
sign
for
it
to
ensure
that
they
received
it.
So
if
someone
says
hey,
I
didn't
get
in
the
mail.
They'd
have
to
make
their
case
demonstrate
proof,
and
then
that
would
allow
us.
H
I
So
they
send
out
the
initial
notice
and
when
it
goes
into
default,
that's
when
that
second
notice
comes
out,
saying:
hey
you're
going
to
be
in
default
and
that's
when
they're
informed
there's
going
to
be
the
increase
b
and
that
it's
going
to
collections
again
they
have
to
maintain
that
mailing
address.
That's
the
way
that
they
get
mail.
I
find
it
interesting
that
people
may
not
get
mail.
Could
it
happen?
Absolutely?
I
Could
someone
have
taken
from
the
mail
sure?
But
you
know
if
it's
at
a
post
office
and
it
goes
to
the
registered
owner's
address,
that's
on
the
registration.
That
could
be
something
they
can
also
raise
or
bring
to
the
hearing
officer
and
demonstrate
hey
look.
I
did
not
receive
this
to
my
in
my
mail
and
they
can
see
if
it
did
go
through
the
process.
I
Madam
chair
counselor
billion,
so
they
have
a
portal
that
they
can
go
to.
They
can
log
in.
They
can
pay
the
poor
paid
through
the
portal
via
a
credit
card
or
with
a
a
check,
and
they
can
also
mail
in
their
payment
to
the
company
who
will
process
the
payments,
so
they
can
send
it
via
check
or
money
order.
I
Counselor
they'll
send
us
the
the
full
amount
that
is
received.
It
comes
into
our
account
and
then
what
they
do
is
they
invoice
us
and
it's
our
responsibility
to
send
the
portion
off
to
the
state,
and
then
we
pay
the
company
their
portion
for
processing
that
entire
process.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
for
the
committee.
I,
as
has
been
said
earlier,
we
did
see
this
in
finance.
I
did
vote
against
it
there
and
I
did
ask
quite
a
few
questions.
I'm
not
gonna
repeat
those
questions
here
tonight
we
have
quite
a
few
presentations
around
our
affordable
housing
situation
in
santa
fe
that
I
want
to
get
to.
A
So
if
there
are
no
more
questions,
it
would
entertain.
D
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
go
back
to
the
contractor
to
renegotiate
and
see
if
we
can
enter
into
a
pilot
agreement
with
them,
not
under
the
current
contract.
That's
been
put
in
front
of
us.
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
to
renegotiate
the
contract.
Is
there
a.
H
H
What
we're
currently
voting
on,
which
is
the
contract
so
by
saying,
to
renegotiate
that
means
to
deny
the
current
co
contract?
Is
that
what
the
maker
of
the
motion
is
trying
to
convey.
D
Yes,
yes,
so
it's
my
understanding
that
the
initial
presentation
given
to
the
governing
body
last
year
called
for
a
pilot
program
with
two
cameras,
and
I
don't
remember
the
particular
time
period
for
the
pilot
project.
D
But
I
would
like
for
us
to
move
forward
with
two
at
the
particular
time,
not
the
six
and
see
how
it
works
out
for
us
as
a
community
and
then
potentially
negotiate
a
lengthier
contract
with
maybe
more
more
cameras.
But
I
I
you
know,
I
don't
like
the
contract
in
front
of
us
right
now
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
a
solution
to
how
how
we
can
move
forward.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselor,
garcia.
I
was
just
curious
if
you
had
a
or
maybe
if
deputy
chief
valdez
had
a
idea
about
what,
what
a
time
frame
for
a
pilot
would
look
like
what
the
company,
I
think
that's
something
that
I
that
I'm
very
open
to.
I,
as
I've
said
before,
I'm
pretty
torn
on
this
one.
C
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
very
valid
points
on
both
sides,
and
I
think
a
pilot
is
something
that
I
might
be
more
comfortable
with
to
to
really
explore
what
this
could
look
like
before
we
we
go
all
in
so
counselor
grocery
or
anybody
else.
Do
you
have
a
thought
about
what
a
time
frame
for
a
pilot
would
look
like?
Would
we
would
we
look
at
six
months?
I
A
madam
chair,
counselor,
acosta
sanchez,
so
with
the
pilot
this
was
put
out
in
the
rfp
and
the
rfp
did
not
call
for
a
pilot,
so
I
think
we'd
have
to
probably
confer
with
legal
to
see
if
that
is
something
that
we
would
do
if
we
just
either
scrap
this
contract,
put
it
out
for
an
rfp
all
over
again
and
request
a
company
to
give
us
a
pilot
program
and
the
potential
for
a
program
following
that,
but
based
on
the
contract,
again
like
explained
at
the
previous
committee,
it's
18
months
for
the
initial
year.
I
If
there's
things
we
don't
like
with
it,
we
don't
have
to
renew
it
and
we
can
provide
a
termination
to
the
contract
at
the
end
of
the
18th
month
period.
Save
we're
not
going
to
continue
it
and
there'd
be
nothing
that
we'd
have
to
pay
due
to
the
company
in
doing
so
with
a
number
of
devices.
I
If
two
devices
are
what
the
pleasure
of
this
committee
is
again,
we
get
to
dictate
the
number
of
devices
that
we
need,
and
that
is
not
going
to
have
an
effect
on
our
price
point
for
the
services
rendered
by
the
company.
So
when
the
contract
says
as
many
devices
as
we
would
need,
but
again
we're
going
to
take
our
guidance
from
the
governing
body
and
if
you
guys
feel
that
you
want
two
devices
and
that's
what
we
start
out
with.
That
is
something
that
we
can
do.
I
That
is
permissible
with
the
current
contract,
but
to
look
at
a
pilot
program
and
then
roll
into
a
full-on
program
that
was
not
in
the
initial
rfp.
So
I
think
we'd
have
to
confer
with
legal
and
purchasing
to
see.
Would
we
have
to
put
this
back
out
for
rfp
to
include
that
and
will
we
then
find
some
that
would
still
want
to
step
up
and
participate
in
that
program,
and
it
begs
the
question
too:
what
will
that
pilot
look
like?
Will
it
be
something
where
we
have?
I
You
know,
violations
going
out
and
services
being
rendered
and
payment
due?
Is
it
something
where
we
send
out
warning
citations
during
that
whole
time
period?
I
think
that
have
to
be
fleshed
out
in
the
in
a
new
rfp
for
this,
but
but
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
we
probably
have
to
confer
with
legal
and
person
to
see.
Does
that
change
the
terms
of
the
rfp
that
we
issued
and
that
we
provided
to
the
contractors
who
wish
to
participate
in
this.
A
And
right
now
there
the
contract
is
open-ended
in
terms
of
how
many
so
it
doesn't
restrict
the
number.
So
if
we
were
to
approve
this
contract,
you
you
can
it
basically
gives
you
the
ability
to
add
as
many
as
you
want
going
forward
without
coming
back
to
us.
I
Is
that
correct,
madam
chair,
we
can
see
how
many
devices
that
that
we
could
bring,
but
again
for
me
that
is
not
very
respectful
to
this
council.
You
know
the
council
is
what
gave
us
the
resolution
to
bring
this
program
back
and
for
us
we'd
at
least
want
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
and
say:
hey.
Look.
I
You
permitted
us
to
get
two
devices
to
roll
out
this
program.
We
showed
the
information
that
we
have
either
a
greater
demand
and
we
need
additional
devices
and
we
can
say
hey
here's
what
we
would
need.
I
think
that
would
be
the
most
respectful
thing
to
do.
You
know
again.
This
is
something
that
was
provided
to
us
as
direction
by
the
governing
body
through
resolution
that
the
city
manager
restarts
this
program.
I
We
were
given
those
that
direction
as
well
and
for
us
this
is
a
program
that
is
being
asked
for
us
to
put
together.
So
I
have
no
intention
of
saying
hey.
Thank
you
for
approving
two,
I'm
going
to
order
50.
again.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
this
meets
the
needs
and
the
values
of
our
community.
I
If
two
gets
the
job
done
beautiful
perfect,
if
we
no
longer
have
a
need
for
this
program
and
people
are
no
longer
speeding
even
better,
I
see
that
as
something
that
we
can
see
as
an
achievement,
but
it
is
not
our
intention
to
say
cool.
Thank
you
for
the
two
on
approval,
we're
not
going
to
order
six,
I
think,
for
us
we
want
to
come
back
and
again
in
the
ordinance.
It
calls
for
us
to
give
updates
regular
updates
on
this
program.
How
effective
is
it
you
know?
I
What
are
the
violations
looking
like
and
to
show
how
the
program
is
functioning
and
if
we
do
see
those
issues
where
we
need
additional
devices,
we
would
bring
that
recommendation
and
say:
hey,
look,
here's
what
we
would
like
to
do
and
the
contract
permits
us
to
get
additional
devices.
But
that
is
something
we
want
to
bring
to
our
leadership
and
to
the
governing
body.
Say:
hey!
Look!
Here's!
What
we're
seeing
here's!
What
we
would
like
to
see
the
number
of
devices?
I
A
I
I
think
we've
got
the
answer.
Thank
you,
deputy
chief.
So
here's
just
a
couple
of
thoughts,
one.
I
want
to
be
clear
that
it
is
not
that
this
current
council
that
approved
the
ordinance
the
this
council
has
changed
dramatically
since
that
ordinance
was
approved.
A
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
it's
many
people
who
sit
on
the
council
now
were
not
part
of
that
decision
to
restart
this
program,
and
then
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
we
don't
like
this
contract,
and
so
I
think
we
have
two
ways
to
go
forward.
A
One
is
to
table
it
and
let
you
know
let
some
offline
conversations
go
on
to
see
if
there's
a
a
a
way
to
to
bring
back
a
contract
that
would
be
acceptable
to
the
govern
to
the
members
of
the
current
council
and
the
and
you
know
the
the
company
and
and
our
police
leadership,
or
we
can
just
disapprove
the
contact
contract
and
have
the
same
sorts
of
contract
conversations.
A
So
I
again
I
would
we
do
have
a
motion
on
the
table.
Renegotiate
help
me
remember
again,
council
garcia.
What
your
motion
was.
D
D
G
Man,
I'm
sure
I'm
not
part
of
finance
committee,
so
I
was
just
wondering
how
that
vote
went.
A
G
All
right,
so
this
this
shouldn't
make
it
to
the
city
council
meeting
correct
all
right.
A
Thank
you,
that's
my
understanding.
Anyway,
I
mean
if,
if
so,
I
think,
that's
an
outstanding
ques
actually,
as
I
think
about
it,
so
we've
moved
to
table
it
that
stops
it,
I
believe,
from
from
going
forward.
But
then,
if
it's
an
ordinance
or
a
resolution,
you
have
to
have
it
pass
one
of
the
main
council
committees
in
order
to
go
to
governing
body.
This
is
a
contract,
so
we
need
to
check
in
with
our
our
legal
folks
about
where
we
are,
but
clearly,
I
think,
there's
some
concerns
about
the
current
contract.
A
The
way
it
stands
now
all
right.
So
with
that
we
are,
we
did
spend
an
hour
on
that.
I
want
to
move
to
the
other
item
that
was
pulled
off
the
consent
agenda
and
that
was
item.
One.
A
C-
and
that
is
the
resolution
reestablishing
the
bicycle
committee
and
I
believe,
councillor
vrl,
you
said
you
had
some
questions
or
amendments.
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just.
H
Pretty
self
explanatory
changes
to
the
resolution,
I'm
supportive
of
the
changes
to
this
to
this
advisory
committee.
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
few
words
for
consistency,
especially
as
this
this
body.
This
committee,
excuse
me
touts
a
lot
of
the
work
they
do
is
from
an
equitable
standpoint,
as
it
relates
to
development
and
maintenance
of
transportation
infrastructure.
H
So
I'd
like
to
add
the
word
equitable
on
page
three
at
the
top
line,
three,
if
it
reads
bicycling
and
walking
to
the
city
of
santa
fe.
Well,
let
me
read.
The
whole
thing
committee
is
to
provide
input
and
advice.
It
supports
the
ongoing
development
and
maintenance
of
a
transportation
infrastructure
that
meets,
makes
bicycling
and
walking
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
safe
and
add
the
word
equitable
and
then
continue
viable,
comfortable
modes
of
transportation,
commuting
and
recreation,
so
that
same
sentence
is
is
stated
three
times
in
this
resolution.
A
Okay,
is
that
a
motion
yes,
and
are
you
moving
to
approve
this
with
that
amendment?.
A
G
Thank
you
I
believe
councillor
garcia
is
the
chair
of
this
committee.
I'm
just
wondering
how
many
so
it
talks
about
bicycle
and
pedestrian,
but
I'm
I'm
wondering
how
many
pedestrians,
not
bicyclists,
that
we
have
on
the
committee.
Can
you
speak
to
that.
D
You
know
one
of
them,
mr
bruce
finger
he's
not
necessarily
a
bicyclist
he's
a
he
uses
the
trails
and
I
think
he
lives
in
your
district.
So
we
do
have
a
number
of
folks
that
do
both
or
just
look
at
it
from
the
pedestrian
perspective.
Miss
gloriosomos.
I
didn't
know
if
you
wanted
to
add
anything
to
that.
G
G
Right
so,
and
that's
why
it
was
my
recommendation
to
put
him
on
the
committee.
However,
he's
recently
asked
to
be
on
the
public
safety
committee
with
some
vacancies
that
we
have
there.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
he's
not
the
only
pedestrian
that
we
had
on
the
on
the
committee
that
there
were
others
as
well
and
that
if
we,
if
he
does
transition
out
that
we
look
at
more
just
walkers
that
or
pedestrians
that
use
the
trails
and
aren't
necessarily
a
bicycle
enthusiast.
G
So
if
you
would
keep
that
in
mind,
counselor
as
you
look
at
people
that
might
serve
on
your
committee,
I
think
that
might
be
helpful.
D
We'll
do
counselor,
and
I
know
that,
as
I
mentioned,
a
lot
of
the
current
committee
members
do
take
into
account
pedestrian
walkways
and
sidewalks,
because
you
know
during
our
meetings.
They
have
plenty
of
input
on
what
sidewalks
need,
repairs
and
upkeep
and
whatnot.
So
we
we
definitely
have
that
perspective
and
we'll
make
sure
that,
as
we
recruit
new
members,
we
ensure
that
that
is
part
of
the
the
selection
procedure.
A
Okay
other
conversation,
or
are
we
ready
to
vote
on
the
motion.
A
I'm
sorry
jennifer,
I
almost
called
you
counselor.
Can
you
call
the
role
of
course,
counselor
michael
garcia,.
A
All
right
with
that,
we
will.
Then
we
have
finished
our
consent
agenda
and
we
will
go
I'm
just
getting
my
agenda
here.
We
will
go
to
our
presentations
and
we
have
with
us
tonight
several
members
of
our
staff
to
begin
some.
A
What
I'd
call
a
deep
dive
into
city
initiatives
and
programs
on
affordable
housing
and
and
just
trying
to
get
a
lay
of
the
land
on
all
that
we
have
been
doing
to
work
on
this
issue
and
we
will
be
continuing
with
presentations
from
advocates
and
others
in
the
coming
months.
So
I
don't
know
eli
I
see
you're
here
and
I
know
alexandra
ladd
is
also
here:
did
you
coordinate
and
and
kira
ochoa
is
also
here?
A
I
don't
know
if
the
three
of
you
coordinated
on
how
you
would
approach
the
information
for
tonight.
So
I'll
just
turn
it
to
you,
and
maybe
you
can
be
the
traffic
cop.
L
Absolutely
thank
you
counselor,
and
so
I
did
have
a
chance
to
talk
to
ms
ladd
today.
L
Unfortunately,
I
wasn't
able
to
talk
to
kira,
but
what
we
were
thinking
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
of
the
committee,
I
would
do
some
introductory
remarks
some
table
setting
around
sort
of
the
state
of
housing
production
in
the
city
and
then
from
there
handed
off
to
alexandra
to
talk
about,
affordable
housing
more
specifically
and
then
also
and
then
hand
it
off
to
ciara
to
talk
about
what
we're
doing
to
address
homelessness
in
the
community.
L
So
that's
what
we
were
thinking
as
a
sort
of
a
way
to
organize
tonight's
presentation,
but
we're
open
to
suggestions
or
comments
if
you'd
like
us
to
handle
it
a
different
way.
Yeah.
A
No,
I
I
think
those
were
the
items
we
had
discussed
having
you
present.
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
you
had
figured
out
the
order
and
I'm
sorry
that
we
didn't
put
captions
on
on
each
of
those
segments.
So
I
think
that's
fine
eli.
If
you
want
to
start
that
off
that'd
be
great.
L
Great
thank
you
chair
and
other
members
of
the
committee.
If
you,
if
I
could
share
my
screen,
I
would
just
like
to
run
through
some
some
pdfs.
I
have
some
maps
and
some
charts
and
some
graphs
that
I'd
like
to
walk
us
through
to
kind
of
explain
where
we're
out
with
with
housing
production
right
now
across
the
city.
L
So
I
don't
know
I
do
have
that
so
with
that,
let
me
so
if
everyone
can
see
this
map,
it's
a
little
cluttered,
but
I
I
have
a
series
of
two
more
maps
after
this
that
sort
of
break
it
down
by
under
construction
and
in
the
pipeline.
But
I
think
that
this
map
is
instructed
in
showing
sort
of
the
amount
of
housing
construction
we
have
going
on
in
the
city,
its
distribution
across
the
city,
and
that
we
have
things
in
various
stages
of
construction.
L
So
we
have
some
things
that
are
already
coming
out
of
the
ground
and
are
close
to
receiving
cos,
and
we
have
other
things
that
are
still
in
the
design
and
approval
space
coming
through
planning,
commission
and
other
land
use
boards.
So
this
is
sort
of
everything
that
we
have
going
on
now.
L
This
is
what
we
have
under
construction,
and
so,
as
you
can
see,
this
is
a
roughly
1800
units
of
housing.
Much
of
this
is
multi-family
housing,
which
I
can
show
you
the
breakdown
towards
the
end
of
my
section
of
the
presentation
on
the
relationship
of
multi-family
to
single-family
housing,
but
this
is
sort
of
where
we
have.
L
This
is
what
we
have
under
construction
right
now,
so
that
means
permitted
and
some
level
of
of
work
being
done,
whether
it's
grading
work
or
actual
vertical
construction
and
then
at
each
each
parcel
that
we
have
flagged.
We've
listed
the
number
of
units
that
are
associated
with
that
project.
I'm
happy
to
make
all
of
this
available
to
anyone
who'd
like
me
to
send
it
to
them.
I
can
shoot
you
an
email
and
include
these
as
attachments
if
we
move
on
to
the
next
map.
L
This
is
what
we
have
in
the
development
pipeline,
and
so
the
yellow
parcels
are
things
that
have
already
been
approved
by
the
planning
commission,
but
have
not
yet
submitted
for
building
permits
and
and
the
green
parcels
here
are
things
that
have
received
approval
from
planning
commission
and
we
are
currently
reviewing
in
land
use
right
now
to
issue
permits
on
and
so
there's
a
couple
projects
in
districts,
one
the
dosa
sequence
project,
the
outboard
school
and
then
also
almadoura
on
the
north
side
of
town.
L
And
then
we
have
one
project
in
terre
contenta,
which
is
20.
L
H
So
the
recognizability
excuse
me
director
isaacson.
I
just
had
a
quick
question:
do
you
have
a
quantitative,
or
can
you
quantify
this
amount
that
you
just
said
so
these
are
developments
in
the
pipeline
they've
been
approved,
but
they
they
haven't
necessarily
they're,
not
under
construction.
Do
you
have
a
number
of
units
for
that?
I
do
so
the
if
you
look
at.
L
The
in
the
in
the
legend
we
have
about
it
was
at
1628
that
the
board
that
planned
commissions
approved
and
then
another
123
that
are
almost
under
construction.
You
know
as
soon
as
we
release
permits
those
will
be
under
construction.
If
we
go
back
to
the
residential
pipeline
map
under
construction,
that
number
is
1763..
L
So
when
we
add
the
two
you
know
just
back
of
the
napkin
we're
at
what
is
that
about
3
400
units,
roughly,
that
are
in
some
stage
of
of
production
in
the
city,
which
is,
I
mean,
a
really
impressive.
M
L
Of
housing,
that's
being
that's
currently
being
produced,
it
far.
Outpaces
and
I'll
show
you
later
in
my
presentation.
It
far
outpaces
any
period
in
our
recent
history
in
terms
of
housing
production
in
the
city
I
mean
this
is
this:
is
this
is
sort
of
unprecedented?
I
don't
know
if
members
of
the
council
saw
a
recent
article
in
the
santa
fe
new
mexican,
but
santa
fe
metro
area
is
currently
seventh
in
the
nation
in
new
construction
jobs.
L
It
produces
quite
a
bit
of
money
in
direct
revenue
to
the
city
through
impact
fees
and
just
permit
fees,
but
it
also
produces
quite
a
bit
of
money
in
terms
of
grt,
and
I
think
it's
been
a
very
important
source
of
revenue
from
the
city
as
we've
been
navigating
through
the
pandemic
recently
and
a
lot
of
that
housing
or
excuse
me
that
construction,
growth
and
construction
is
directly
related
to
housing
production
in
the
city.
L
So
I
alluded
to
sort
of
excuse
me.
Let
me
rotate
this,
so
I
mentioned
that
this
is
sort
of
an
unprecedented
period
of
construction
growth
in
the
city.
If
we
go
back
looking
back
to
1997,
you
know
we
saw
in
the
late
90s
a
a
spike
in
housing
and
then
obviously
we
saw
a
crash
in
housing
production
around
the
great
recession
in
2009
and
we've
been
sort
of
bobbing
along
at
a
couple
hundred
units
of
housing
on
average
through
2016
and
then
in
2017.
We
saw
housing
start
to
rise
now,
switching
over.
L
L
So
this
number
is
actually
for
the
year
of
2020
is
actually
a
little
bit
higher
than
I'm
showing
here,
but
we're
roughly
thousand
units
of
housing
permitted
in
2020
alone,
and
so
that's,
if
we
start
looking
at
then
what
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
number
of
permits,
the
total
valuation
of
those
permits
and
the
total
revenue
generated
by
those
permits.
Now
this
is
total
permitting
it's
not
just
housing,
but
I
think
it's
instructed.
L
You
know
again
during
the
pandemic
year-to-date,
you
know,
we
are
sort
of.
You
know
we're
almost
keeping
pace
with
our
permitting
in
the
year
before,
but
if
we
start
looking
at
the
valuation
of
that
permitting
it's
a
little
bit
higher.
This
is
the
construction
value
of
the
permits
we
issued
and
then,
if
you
look
at
the
revenue
generated,
this
is
really
an
impressive
number.
You
know
this.
L
The
land
use
department,
through
its
permitting
efforts,
generated
over
five
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
in
just
permit
fees
that
came
into
the
city,
and
that
goes
into
the
city's
general
fund.
Again,
this
was
year
to
date
in
november,
so
that
number
is
actually
higher
and
the
reason
why
this
number
is
so
much
larger
than
the
year
previous
is
because
housing
and
especially
multi-family
housing,
is
a
huge
source
of
revenue
and
permit
degeneration.
L
It's
high
value
projects
and
we
get
a
lot
of
money
from
that
in
fees,
and
so
you
know,
housing
is
doing
a
lot
to
support
our
city's
revenues
right
now
and
then.
Lastly,
I
just
wanted
to
show
a
quick
map.
L
This
is
just
a
snapshot
from
the
period
of
march
to
may
of
last
year,
but
I
think
it's
a
trend
that
that
holds
year
long
and
it's
just
the
concentration
of
where
our
permitting
is
taking
place
in
the
city
and
as
you
can
see,
the
majority
of
our
permit
is
happening
in
districts.
Three
and
four
in
the
south
side
of
the
city,
where
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
growth,
especially
growth,
around
housing,.
L
So
with
that,
I
was
going
to
hand
it
over
to
alex.
I
can
take
questions
now
or
I
you
know
will
be
here
at
the
end
of
alex
and
kira's
presentations
and
can
answer
questions.
Then
it's
really
up
to
you
guys.
A
C
Counselor
cass
at
sanchez.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Eli.
I'm
sorry,
I
think
on
one
of
those
maps
it
was
showing
the
percentage
that
is
meets
the
definition
of
affordable
housing.
Can
you
pop
that
back
up
again,
please,
and
I
would
love
for
you
to
send
this
over
to
me.
That
would
be
great.
L
I
don't
have
those
numbers,
I
don't
believe
on
these
maps,
but
I
do
have
some
numbers
more
general.
Just
sort
of
I
ask
staff
to
provide
a
sense
of
our
affordable
housing
and
let
me
stop
sharing
really
quickly
and
I
can
give
you
those
overall
totals
counselor
cassette
sanchez,
because
I
think
something.
C
Oh
yeah,
it
gives
a
percentage
of
affordable
here
it
is
down
in
the
key.
Thank
you.
L
I
do
have
some
unit
counts
if
you
just
give
me
one.
Second
I'll
pull
up
that
email.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
gonna
stop.
L
L
So
right
now
we
have
241
affordable
units
under
construction
and
501
units
in
the
pipeline.
However,
it
just
would
issue
one
caveat
with
that
number
related
to
the
pipeline,
because
some
of
these
projects
are
still
being
developed.
L
We
don't
have
a
final
number
of
what
number
of
units
they're
actually
going
to
be
providing
in
terms
of
whether
they're
going
to
do
fee
in
lieu
or
actually
provide
the
units,
so
that
number
is
somewhat
of
a
moving
target,
but
I
think
we
feel
pretty
confident
that
that
501
number
represents
the
number
of
units
that
are
in
the
pipeline,
but
it
is
a
little
bit
of
a
moving
target,
but
that
241
number
the
unit's
under
construction.
L
M
Thanks
for
the
numbers,
yes,
but
I
think
you
know
what
often
gets.
L
And-
and
I
don't
want
to
step
on
on
alex's
presentation,
but
I
think
that
when
we
talk
about
the
number
of
units
being
provided,
it's
really
important
that
we
also
talk
about
the
amount
of
money
that's
being
put
into
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund,
because
those
two
things
are
inexorably
linked
to
one
another.
Because
you
have
the
option
right.
L
You
have
the
fee
in
lieu
option
or
you
can
provide
the
units,
and
so
just
looking
at
the
units,
I
think,
misses
an
important
part
of
the
overall
picture
of
affordable
housing
in
the
city,
because
we
have
put
in
the
last
18
months
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
in
that
trust
fund.
And
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
the
recent
changes
that
the
council
made
in
december
of
19
around
affordable.
L
Can
speak
to
with
a
lot
more
specificity
than
I
can,
but
that's
been
a
real
boom
to
our
affordable
housing,
trust
in
the
city
and
it's
really
leveraged
and
capitalized
on
the
housing
growth
more
generally.
So
it's
an
important
piece
of
the
picture.
E
Madam
chair,
if
I
could
also
just
add
to
that
as
well,
I
think
the
map,
when
it's
showing
that
percentage,
because
that
was
my
reaction
too,
and
I
first
saw
that,
but
what
it's
not
showing
is
the
breakdown
between
how
many
of
those
of
the
total
number
of
units
are
multifamily
and
how
many
are
single-family,
because
the
20
requirement
is
applied
to
single-family
and
if
it
were
broken
out
by
by
by
the
type
of
housing.
E
You
would
see
that
all
of
these
multi-family
projects
that
are
for
the
most
part
on
this
map
were
approved
before
we
made
the
ordinance
amendments.
So
since
that
time
we
have
two
projects
in
the
pipeline
that
aren't
on
here,
yet
that
are
going
to
do
a
set
aside.
A
put
have
affordable
housing
on
site.
So
that's
so.
This
map
will
look
different
in
five
years.
H
A
Great,
I
think
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
up.
I
think
we
can
move
on
alex
if,
if
you
want
to
take
the
baton
as.
E
It's
okay
I'll,
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen,
I'm
going
to
so!
Well,
I'm
glad
eli
started
by
by
showing
you
guys
pictures,
because
I'm
going
to
show
you
nothing
but
really
super
boring
text.
I'm
not
going
to
read
it!
I'm
going
to
summarize
the
points
that
I
think
are
important.
You've
seen
some
of
these
slides
before.
E
I
will
make
sure
that
the
the
presentation's
available,
if
you
want
to
take
a
deeper
dive
and,
of
course,
any
follow-up
questions,
I'm
available
at
any
time
to
answer
those,
but
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
set
the
context
a
little
bit
for
for
the
trust
fund
and
why
why
it's
so
important
and
also,
I
think,
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
sense
of
the
magnitude
of
of
how
changing
regulation
and
policy
really
affects
what's
happening
on
the
ground.
So.
A
If
I
could
just
stop
you
and
I
think
we
will
be
sharing,
perhaps
this
meeting
more
widely,
I
want
to
be
clear
that
the
trust
fund
we
are
speaking
about
is
the
affordable,
housing
trust
fund
and
that's
what
your
presentation
will
be
focused
on.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
Okay,
so
are
you
able
to
see
that
title.
E
Okay,
so
just
to
kind
of
refresh
everyone's
memory,
the
city's
approach
to
providing
and
supporting
affordable
housing
is
really
a
three-legged
stool,
there's
no
magic
bullet.
You
can't
build
enough
inventory
to
solve
the
affordable
housing
problem.
You
can't
subsidize
away
the
housing,
affordable,
housing
problem.
You
can't
just
have
amazing
regulation
and
policy.
E
It
has
to
be
a
combination
of
all
three
so
25
years
ago
when,
when
the
city
really
got
proactive
about
affordability,
this
was
the
framework
that
was
put
in
place
and
it's
the
three
legs
are
the
policy
and
regulation,
and
that
includes
the
santa
fe
homes
program,
which
is
the
inclusionary
zoning
program.
E
We
also
have
two
main
policy
documents
to
guide
our
funding
strategies.
I
hear
a
lot.
Oh,
we
need
an
affordable
housing
plan.
Well,
I
have
two
of
them.
Please
don't
give
me
a
third
plan.
E
One
of
them
is
required
by
the
federal
government.
That
would
be
the
five-year
consolidated
plan
that
relates
specifically
to
our
cdbg
entitlement
grant.
The
second
is
the
five-year
strategic
housing
plan,
and
that
applies
specifically
to
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
and
is
submitted
to
the
new
mexico
mortgage
finance
authority.
Every
five
years,
so
the
the
second
leg
of
the
stool
is
the
programming
and
capacity
building.
E
We're
going
to
build
the
capacity
of
our
nonprofit
partners
to
provide
these
services
and,
as
a
result,
santa
fe
truly
has
one
of
the
strongest
non-profit
services
delivery
systems,
I
would
say
the
strongest
in
the
whole
state
and
it
really
it's
because
the
city
was
super
proactive
in
building
the
capacity
in
the
community.
The
third
leg
would
be
the
funding
and
in
this
area
the
city
really-
and
this
goes
it's
beyond
affordable
housing,
office
of
economic
development.
Does
this
children
and
youth
programming
does
this
human
services?
Does
this?
E
I
think
even
the
arts
commission
does
this
to
some
degree,
but
we
really
act
more
like
a
foundation,
we
act
like
a
funder.
So
what
specifically?
We
have
two
main
well,
three
main
funding
sources.
We
have
this
community
development
block
grant
and
then
this
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
E
We
also
have
the
general
fund,
which
we
use
in
in
some
more
flexible
ways
to
kind
of
fill
in
gaps,
but
also
really
to
focus
on
the
services
side
and
the
capacity
building
side,
so
the
funding
process
and
council
via
real,
could
present
this
slide.
Since
she's
the
chair
of
the
community
development
commission,
we
do
we
release
our
rfp,
it
will
hit
the
streets
on
friday
of
this
week.
E
The
community
development
commission
is
making
a
funding
recommendation
to
the
governing
body.
This
is
not
a
staff
committee.
This
is
the
community
development
commission
once
well.
I
won't
this
is
the
whole
hud
schedule
is
super
boring.
I
won't
even
go
into
it,
but
we
are
very
careful.
We
monitor
the
these
expenditures
very
carefully,
our
under
cdbg.
We
call
them
sub-recipients
under
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
they're
qualified
grantees,
but
they
are
under
very
rigorous
reporting
requirements.
E
So
as
a
funder,
we
know
what's
going
on
and
who's
being
helped
and
what
the
impact
of
the
funds
is
and
again
going
back
to
this
idea
that
the
community
partners
are
really
the
cornerstone
to
the
city's
success,
and
I
think
another
point
to
make
is
that
this
model
is
able
to
maximize
financial
leverage
and
private
and
investment
in
a
way
that
the
city
isn't
able
to
do
so.
If
the
nonprofits
are
holding
affordability
liens,
so
they
have
built
an
affordably
priced
home,
it's
been
sold
for
subsidized
sales
price.
E
I
mean
that
lien
can
sit
on
the
city's
books
and
we
have
a
bunch
of
them.
But
if
it's
held
by
a
non-profit,
the
non-profit
actually
will
use
that
asset
to
leverage
other
investment
from
other
funders.
So
there's
a
lot
more
power
to
those
funds
when
they're
not
sort
of
buried
in
the
city's
bureaucracy.
In
the
city's
budget.
E
So
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
currently
is
funded
through
revenues
from
development.
So
this
includes
the
santa
fe
homes
program
fee
in
lieu
and
fractional
fee
payments
now
fractional
fee
payment
is
when
the
the
calculations
of
the
20
or
the
15
requirement
results
in
a
fraction
of
a
home.
So
you
can't
build
0.2
of
a
home,
so
what
developer
will
pay
if
a
fee
or
for
on
the
home
ownership
side?
Any
projects
that
are
10
or
fewer
units
are
able
to
pay
a
fee
in
lieu
of
buy
right
and
then
on
the
multi-family
side.
E
E
So
we
do
everything
we
can
to
make
sure
that
that
that
asset
is
recycled
to
the
next
buyer,
but
on
occasion
they
do
get
paid
off
so
that
so
that
and
that
becomes
revenue
back
into
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
and
then
land
sales
and
tierra
contenta
for
quite
a
while.
I
think,
when
you
saw
eli's
slide
with
the
the
high
numbers
of
permits
in
the
in
the
late
90s
and
early
2000s,
a
huge
amount
of
that
was
driven
by
tierra
contenta
and
every
time
land
was
sold.
E
The
city
would
get
revenue
to
pay
off
the
mortgage
that
the
city
owns
on
that
on
that
property
again,
a
qualified
grantee
is
the
recipient
of
funds
from
the
affordable,
housing
trust
fund
and
has
to
be
an
organization
or
a
corporation
with
a
mission
to
provide
affordable
housing
or
it
can
be
a
an
individual
who
earns
less
than
120
percent
of
the
area.
Median
income
use
of
the
funds
must
be
compliant
with
the
new
mexico,
affordable
housing
act,
which
provides
an
exemption
to
the
state's
anti-donation
clause,
and
I
kind
of
run
into
this
a
lot.
E
When
I
talk
about
how
we
invest
funds-
and
I
hear
oh
what
about
the
anti-donation
clause-
this
is
very,
very,
very
strictly
controlled
capital
costs
of
construction,
rehab,
preservation
of
affordable
housing,
direct
financial
assistance,
income
certified
individuals,
so
that
would
be
down
payment
assistance,
rental
assistance,
home
repair
loans
or
donation
of
or
below
market
sale
of
publicly
owned
land
building
infrastructure.
E
So
administration
services,
staffing
costs
are
not
allowable.
I
just
want
to
leave
you
with
that
thought,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
about
that
and
how,
historically,
how
have
funds
been
used
about?
15
percent
for
home
improvement,
energy
efficiency,
upgrades
emergency
repairs
for
income,
qualified
homeowners,
habitat
for
humanity,
has
stories
about
some
of
the
folks
they've
helped
that
would
make
you
weep
little
old,
ladies
living
in
houses
with
gigantic
holes
in
the
floor
and
no
heat
for
years,
because
they
just
didn't
have
any
resources
to
fix
it.
E
So
there's
there's
some
really
great
work
has
been
done
in
that
area
down
payment
assistance.
It's
also
called
mortgage
principal
reduction
because,
essentially,
what
it
does
is.
It
lowers
the
amount
of
the
loan
that
the
home
buyer
needs.
To
borrow,
which
increases
their
buying
power
and
that's
35,
so
that's
that's
somewhat
the
majority
and
then
rental
assistance.
Now
this
category
is
is
only
a
category
since
I
came
back
to
the
city
in
2012.,
but
this
is
the
point
at
which
I
was
talking
to
lifelink
one
day,
and
they
said
you
know.
E
If
we
had
local
funds
to
support
rental
assistance,
we
could
get
away
from
all
of
the
crazy
barriers
and
the
strings
attached
that
the
federal
funding
comes
with
and
these
qualification
criteria
that
nobody
can
meet
and
we
could
be
way
more
flexible
and
it
could
happen
quickly
and-
and
we
could
just
as
long
as
we
could
ascertain
that
somebody
was
either
homeless
or
in
danger
of
becoming
homeless.
You
know
we
could
stabilize
them.
E
We
can
decide
how
long
the
assistant's
going
to
last
we're
not
held
to
other
rules,
and
so
we
started
funding
rental
assistance
actively
and
now
we
have
four
separate
non-profits
that
are
providing
support
to
their
constituents.
This
way
again,
the
capital
cost
of
ins
of
construction-
and
this
includes
pretty
much
anything
is-
is
15.
Now
that
may
start
to
grow
a
little
bit
as
we
have
some
more
affordable
housing
projects
coming
online
and
then
homeless,
shelter
and
permanence
for
a
rental
housing
upgrade,
so
we've
replaced
roofs
at
shelters.
E
Casa
familia
did
a
quite
a
major
remodel
that
we
use
some
affordable
housing
trust
funds
for
accessibility,
improvements,
ramps
security
systems.
That
kind
of
thing
that's
about
a
ten
percent
of
the
total
and
again
back
to
this
idea
that
the
leveraging
power
of
local
funds
is
un,
it
can't
be
exceeded
with
any
other
kind
of
funding,
but
we
are
also
like
a
funder
we're
not
just
throwing
money
at
a
speculative
project.
E
We're
looking
at
that
last
mile
funding.
This
isn't
seed
money,
it's
not
speculative!
We
want
to.
We
want
to
help.
We
want
to
push
those
projects
across
the
finish
line,
so
we
want
a
great
project
that
just
needs
a
little
bit
more
to
be
even
greater
and
that's
kind
of
where
the
city
funding
comes
in
and
really
brings
the
most
impact.
E
We
we
talk
about
leverage
and
match
match
is
an
organizational
resource.
So
if
an
organization's,
dedicating
three
staff,
people
to
a
program
that
would
be
their
match,
leverage
is
that
the
organization's
dedicating
three
staff-
people
that's
their
match,
but
then
they're
also
raising
more
money
to
pay
two
more
staff
people
from
a
different
funding
source,
so
that
would
be
leverage
again
for
cdbg.
It's
a
one-to-one
ratio.
We
require
one
dollar
of
matching
funds
for
every
one
dollar
of
cdbg
for
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
E
It's
even
higher
it's
one
to
three:
we
we
know
over
the
past
years
of
doing
this,
that
for
every
dollar
provided
for
down
payment
assistance,
an
average
of
14
is
leveraged,
which
would
be
the
buyer's
resources,
plus
the
value
of
their
privately
financed
mortgage
for
every
one
dollar
provided
to
support
the
capital
cost
of
rental
unit
construction,
we're
leveraging
about
a
ten
dollars
of
investment
which
includes
both
private
equity
and
debt.
E
So
that's
pretty
good!
That's
a
pretty
good
investment
record,
so
you
know
all
of
you
can
pat
yourselves
on
the
back,
because
that's,
I
think,
we're
doing
pretty
well
so
now,
I'm
finally
sort
of
getting
to
the
topic
here
so
we're
looking
at
kind
of
where
did
the
regulation
and
how
the
regulation
and
the
trust
fund
intersect.
E
I
think,
as
all
of
you
know,
in
2016
the
inclusionary
zoning
program
after
almost
10
years
of
not
adding
any
multi-family
units
to
our
pipeline
now,
eli's
graph
was
showing
units
those
years,
but
those
were
units
that
had
already
been
approved
in
prior
years,
so
they
were
being
built
in
those
years.
But
really
we
hadn't
had
new
units
approved,
except
for
the
zafarano
project,
but
that
was
because
they
did
a
first
phase
of
a
tax
credit
project.
So
that's
how
they
complied
with
the
inclusionary
zoning
zoning
program.
E
So
in
2016
we
realized
we
had
to
do
something
because
our
market
basically
wasn't
adding
new
inventory
on
the
rental
side,
and
I
am
saying
market,
not
the
affordable
housing
side,
because
the
affordable
housing
side
we
had
added
over
400
units
and
we
had
supported
the
rehab
of
about
400
additional
housing
authority
units,
so
the
affordable
housing
side
was
doing
pretty
well,
but
the
market
side
wasn't
so.
This
buy
right.
E
Allowance
in
2016
was
for
rental
units
only
and
that's
that's
bolded,
because
I
can't
even
tell
you
I
get
calls
from
single
family
developers,
they
say
yeah.
We
want
to
pay
that
fee
in
lua.
I
say
it's
you
can't
unless
you
want
the
governing
body
to
approve
it.
So
that's
that's
just
a
really
important
point
to
make,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
misunderstanding
about
that.
In
2020
we
amended
the
four-year
sunset
clause
to
make
the
allowance
permanent.
E
But
more
importantly-
and
this
is
where
you're
going
to
start
to
see-
that
that
distressing
low
percentage,
number
change
counselor
via
real,
is
that
we
made
the
requirement
more
flexible.
We
made
the
compliance
objectives
simpler
before
there
were
sort
of
three
different
tiers
of
incomes
and
three
different
tiers
of
rents,
and
you
know
it's
was
complicated.
E
Renters
is
kind
of
like
expecting
your
dentist
to
give
you
a
knee
replacement.
It's
just
there's
some
similarity.
They
might
know
how
to
work
the
anesthesia,
okay,
but
they're
really
out
of
their
element,
and
so
that's
kind
of
what
what
we
had
set
our
private
market
market
developers.
Up
with
we
said
now,
we
are
going
to
insist
that
you
do
something
that
you
have
no
knowledge
of
how
to
do.
E
No
experience
doing
it
and
you're
not
going
to
do
it
well,
but
good
luck,
oh
and
that
that
cost
hit
to
your
project
doesn't
come
just
once
like
it
does
in
the
home
ownership
side,
when
the
home
is
sold,
it
comes
every
month
every
single
month
you
lose
money,
and
so
I
you
know
so
I
think
what
we
really
tried
to
do
in
2020
was
we
talked
to
tons
of
developers,
but
we
tried
to
make
it
so
that
it
actually
could
work
with
the
market
and
enable
the
market
to
help
us
and
again,
the
last
bullet
on
here.
E
This
is,
you
just
saw
these
numbers
on
eli's
slide,
but
I
think
it's
it's
pretty
impressive,
because
that's
not
a
huge
span
of
time
in
in
the
development
world
is
to
have
this
many
units
actually
both
under
construction
and
in
the
the
approval
queue,
and
so
here
I
gave
here's
a
little
bar
graph
of
the
revenues
into
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund.
E
You
can
see
this
arrow
and
it
matches
eli's
graph
with
more
and
more
units,
and
more
of
them
are
multi-family
and
look
at
this.
We
actually
have
substantially
more
income.
Coming
into
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
and
of
since
june
of
2018,
1.5
million
of
this
revenue
was
directly
from
the
fee
and
loot
payments
by
multi-family
developers.
E
So
that's
that's
significant,
and
I
should
also
mention
prior
to
this,
we
were
lucky
if
we
got
two
to
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
revenue
in
that
fund
a
year,
and
so
just
a
couple
of
thoughts
to
leave
you
with
then
I'll.
Stop
talking
with
all
of
these
terrible
black
words
on
the
screen.
E
No
pictures,
you
know
what
I
want
to
get
on
everyone's
radar
is
that
this
revenue
stream
that
we
have
now
it's
not
sustainable,
because
it
relies
on
development
activity,
and
so
you
saw
how
the
arrow
went
up
in
alignment
with
the
unit.
E
The
other
thing-
and
this
is
more
my
opinion
as
a
planner.
The
construction
of
new
units
is
the
main
trigger
for
the
requirement
and
I
think,
as
we
look
at
issues
related
to
sustainability
and
quality
of
life
and
taking
care
of
our
environment
and
taking
care
of
the
people
who
live
here.
Building
new
units
forever
until
we
fall
off
the
edge
of
the
earth
is
just
not
going
to
be
the
future
for
development.
E
E
The
inclusionary
zoning
puts
all
the
burden
of
providing
private
market
support
for
affordable
housing
on
their
industry
and-
and
I
think,
as
the
conversation
in
follow-up
meetings,
you'll
hear
some
suggestions
on
how
to
broaden
that
kind
of
collective
contribution
to
affordable
housing
through
other
revenue
sources
and
through
diversifying
revenue
sources.
E
But
I
you
know,
I
I
think
it's
not
it's
not
a
point
to
be
taken
lightly
because
it
it
has
traditionally
been
the
burden
of
that
one
industry
to
support
affordable
housing
on
the
private
market
side,
and
I
think
that,
as
we
look
at
different
sources
for
the
trust
fund,
we're
gonna
start
to
look
for
ways
to
kind
of
spread
that
burden
out
across
other
parts
of
our
of
our
across
the
other
drivers
that
are
changing
our
community
and
making
it
grow.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
can
move
to
kira
his
presentation
or
we
can
take
questions
here.
If
there
are
questions
oh
and
a
counselor
rivera,
I
see
your
yellow
hand
up.
Are
you
ready?
Yes,
thank
you.
G
So
alexandra
I
just
read
a
article
recently
about
the
county.
I
think
median
home
medium
listing
of
a
home,
I
think,
being
over
000
and
really
the
median
price
of
a
home
in
in
the
city
limits
being
around
450.
000.
Are
you
you
concur
with
those.
G
E
G
So
really,
if
you're
a
family,
that's
grown
up
here,
you
have
two
kids
that
have
grown
up
here
and
they
want
to
purchase
a
home
in
santa
fe
with
the
median
price
being
about
450
000.
How
much
would
that
couple
have
to
earn
to
be
able
to
afford
a
house.
E
E
So
that's
you
know
that
that's
definitely
an
issue.
The
other
thing,
too,
is
I
you
know.
I
read
that
same
report.
I
think
it's
the
markets
a
little
bit
funky
right
now,
because
there's
so
little
inventory
that
houses
are
really
going
for
a
premium
and
the
people
who
are
who
who
are
mobile
right
now,
probably
aren't
those
families
so
they're.
E
E
You
know
that
might
level
out
to
some
degree,
because
it
is
really
crazy
right
now,
but
you're
absolutely
right,
and
that
is
why
continuing
to
support
projects
like
your
contenta,
which
has
a
subsidized
pricing
limit
and
income
qualifications,
is
actually
even
if
a
family
doesn't
qualify
for
the
subsidized
house.
E
G
E
E
So
our
inclusionary
zoning
program
creates
pricing
tiers
at
three
different
income
points
with
the
max
being
at
a
hundred
percent
of
the
area
median
income
which,
for
the
current
year
for
a
family
of
four,
is,
I
think
I
think
it's
76
000,
that's
2020
prices
or
2020
incomes.
We'll
update
that
shortly
when
we
get
the
data
from
hud,
so
that
you
know,
and
at
that
price
range,
that
family
can
have
a
monthly
payment
that
doesn't
exceed
about
30
of
their
income
and
it's
gross
income.
E
That
would
be
it's
actually
a
combination
of
both,
so
it's
really
hard
to
have
a
standard
set
of
rules
for
situations
where
everybody's
you
situation
is
so
unique
on
an
individual
level
right.
So
you
could
have
two
families,
they
could
earn
the
exact
same
income,
but
they
could
have
very,
very
different
financial
situations
every
month,
so
one
family
maybe
has
a
little
bit
more
debt.
E
Another
family
maybe
has
to
spend
more
money
because
they
have
a
a
family
member
with
a
disability
or
they
have
some
other
need,
that's
expensive
for
them,
or
you
know
whatever
that
looks
like
so.
The
the
two
families,
with
the
exact
same
income,
buying
the
exact
same
priced
house.
According
to
the
subsidized
pricing
schedule,
one
family
may
need
that
twenty
thousand
dollar
down
payment
assistance
loan
and
the
other
family
may
not
so
the
way,
our
both
home
wise
in
the
housing,
trust
or
the
city's
agents
to
get
those
funds
out
to
families.
G
G
E
Absolutely-
and
I
think
too
we
years
ago,
the
office
of
affordable
housing-
I
think
it
was
even
before
I
came
back-
did
a
survey
of
all
the
public
safety
workers,
because
the
police
officers
commuting
to
rio,
rancho
and
the
city
of
santa
fe
police,
cars
and-
and
that
was
an
interesting
survey,
because
the
reaction
from
a
lot
of
those
folks
and
not
everybody-
there
were
a
lot
of
people
who
wanted
to
live
in
santa
fe.
E
But
a
lot
of
the
public
safety
folks
were
saying
we
don't
want
to
live
in
the
community
that
we're
policing
we
actually
like
having
that
distance
and
others
were
saying
santa
fe's.
I
just
got
a
job
there,
that's
not
my
community.
You
know
I
grew
up
in
espanola,
I
want
to
live
in
espanola
or
I
grew
up
in
rio.
Rancho
and
I
want
to
live
there,
and
so
I
think,
there's
more.
E
It's
easy
to
kind
of
use
a
broad
brush
to
that
and
say:
oh,
we
can't
support
our
workers
here,
so
they
can't
live
here
and
they
don't
live
here
and
I
think
that's
absolutely
100
true
for
some
people,
but
I
also
think
there's
some
personal
choice
in
there
where
people
are
making
are
making
different
decisions
and
sometimes
too,
I
think
when
you
get
a
job
in
santa
fe.
You
know
that
the
job
market
in
albuquerque
is
bigger
and
has
more
variety
and
there's
a
lot.
E
There
are
a
lot
more
opportunities
there,
so
you
may
not
know
if
the
job
in
santa
fe
is
going
to
last
forever,
so
it
feels
like
yeah,
I
think
I'll
stay
in
albuquerque
and
commute
and
then,
if
I
need
to
change
jobs
later,
I've
got
more
choices
near
my
home.
I've
also
had
this
conversation
with
mike
lofton,
because
homewise
has
a
has
an
office
down
in
albuquerque
and
he
was
saying
just
the
market
rate
houses
there
there's
so
many
more
options
and
choices,
and
you
can
buy
a
very
expensive
house
in
albuquerque.
E
G
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
I
guess
in
summary
you
really
have
to
if
you're
from
here
and
you
work
here,
you
really
have
to
want
to
live
in
santa
fe
and
go
through
the
programs
and
go
through
everything
else
based
on
an
average
income.
I
guess
to
to
want
to
stay
here.
G
L
E
E
And
counselor,
if
I
could
also
add
to
that,
I
think
another
piece
of
that
puzzle
is
having
affordable
rental
and
even
if
it's
market
rate
and
it's
not
subsidized
rental,
with
rent
actual
rent
restrictions,
but
just
like
a
market
rate
product
that
that
you
can
afford
to
rent
that
that
that's
a
big
gap
there
too,
because
when
renters
get
to
the
point
where
their
rent
payment
is
stressing
them
out
financially
they're
gonna
try
to
change
that
if
they
can
so
so,
I
think
the
more
rental
options
we
have,
the
more
sort
of
time
we
buy
for
somebody
to
actually
get
to
a
financial
position
where
or
even
a
personal
position.
E
I
think
some
people
renting
is
the
only
is
the
best
option
and
the
only
one
they
ever
want,
because
they
want
to
have
that
kind
of
flexibility.
But
you
know
we
we
just
in
this
market
right
now
we
have
sort
of
the
super
high-end
exclusive
stuff.
That's
not
gonna
work
for
most
people
or
we
have
a
great
subsidizing
inventory.
E
But
if
you
make
more
money,
you
can't
live
there
anyway,
so
so
some
of
what
all
of
these
units
coming
on
the
market
are
going
to
do
to
our
market
is
that
they're
going
to
create
they're
going
to
soften
some
of
the
rental
rates
here,
not
in
across
the
board,
but
just
that
inventory
you
know
it's.
The
supply
demand
curve.
That
inventory
is
going
to
bring
down
some
of
the
the
crazy
accelerators
we've
seen
in
the
market.
Recently.
G
Yeah,
so
that
brings
up
another
question
about
the
affordability
of
of
rental
units
and
really
what's
the
definition
of
an
affordable
multi-family
unit,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
is
and
and
really,
if
I
I
don't
know,
can
you
answer
that
question
first.
E
E
Hud
the
housing
and
urban
development
has
a
statistic
called
the
fair
market
rent
statistic
where
they
look
at
a
lot
of
different
market
factors
and
they
say
in
general,
a
two
bedroom
in
santa
fe
will
rent
for
this
number.
But
it's
not
really
based
on
any
individual's
experience.
E
It's
a
statistic
that
kind
of
lumps
in
a
lot
of
higher
level
higher
level
things,
and
I
also
would
say
that
that's
one
of
the
important
pieces
of
rental
subsidy
to
individuals,
whether
it's
through
a
housing,
voucher
from
the
housing
authority
or
through
our
affordable
housing
trust
fund,
because
you
might
not
be
creating
an
affordable
unit
from
scratch,
but
you're
making
a
unit
affordable
to
someone.
E
G
Yeah
and
I've
spoken
to
some
public
safety
personnel
that
you
know
were
in
multi-family
apartments
or
units
and
their
rent
payment
was
pretty
high.
So
for
that
same
payment
they
could
move
to
rio
rancho
and
be
living
in
a
home
that
they'd
be
putting
equity
into
versus
just
renting
on
a
on
a
monthly
basis.
So
yeah
just
some
concerns.
I
have
just
really
comparing
ourselves
to
ourselves
versus
to
other
places,
but
he
did
a
good
job
answering
my
question.
So
thanks
alexander.
A
Thank
you
counselor
other
questions
from
the
committee,
or
are
we
ready
to
move
on
to
the
final
present.
A
Don't
see
any
other
hands
up,
so
thank
you,
alexander.
That
was
very
informative.
Let
us
move
then
to
kira
and
if
you
could
kyra,
maybe
just
I
don't
know,
give
us
a
a
subtitle
for
what
you're
going
to
talk
to
us
about
sure.
Madam
chair
counselors,
thank
you.
O
I'm
here
with
my
staff
person,
anna
kale,
who
works
very
much
on
homeless
issues
in
the
in
the
community
services
department.
You
know,
I
think,
when
we
switch
to
talking
about
homelessness.
I
think,
in
the
context
of
the
conversation
we
should
think
about
homelessness
as
the
kind
of
the
canary
and
the
mine
indicator
on
some
level
for
our
housing
problem
in
santa
fe.
Of
course,
the
causes
of
homelessness
are
complex,
but
the
biggest
and
people
are
homeless.
They
don't
have
homes,
so
you
know.
O
I
think
that
when
we
look
at
that
in
the
context
of
what
we're
talking
about
about
affordability,
our
homelessness
problem
is
very
much
related
to
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
enough
of
a
range
of
affordable
units
that
are
proper
to
what
people
need.
So
you
know
in
the
community
services
department,
we
addressed
this
issue
of
homelessness,
primarily
by
funding,
shelters
right,
we
funded
historically
zanies
and
and
interfaith,
and
we
we've
done.
O
We
moved
into
doing
some
contracts
for
things
like
the
better
way
van,
which
is
all
very
well
and
good,
but
if
we
really
want
to
get
to
the
root
of
it,
we
want
to
eradicate
homelessness,
that's
a
high
level
goal
and
in
order
to
work
on
that,
we
joined,
as
everyone
knows,
I
think
the
built
for
zero
movement,
which
is
a
national
movement,
dedicated
to
ending
homelessness,
and
so
I
wanted
to
just
talk
about
kind
of
where
we
started
and
the
progress
we've
made
in
the
last
year
in
that
in
that
work,
so
we
joined
in
the
spring
of
2019
and
what
it
we
really.
O
You
know
how
many
units
we
need,
what
kind
of
units
we
need.
We
can't
really
answer
that
until
we
know
who
our
people
are
and
what
they're
going
through
many
people
are
homeless,
how
many
people
are
in
danger
of
being
homeless
and
what
kind
of
what
kind
of
affordability
do
we
need?
Is
everyone
able
to
see
this
okay
or
should
I
should
I
maybe
switch
to
a
slideshow.
A
I'm
but
it
might
declutter
the
screen
a
bit
yeah.
O
I
want
to
do
that
there
we
go,
that's
better,
so
thank
you
so
so
who
who's
experiencing
homeless
here
in
santa
fe,
and
what
do
we
know
about
them?
What
else
do
we
need
to
know
to
support
their
housing
needs?
You
know
do?
Can
they
do?
We
have
homeless
people
in
santa
fe
who
are
earning
two
thousand
dollars
a
month,
three
thousand
dollars
a
month
and
they're
homeless
because
of
this
housing
market
problem.
O
That
alex
has
has
shed
some
light
on,
so
we
need
to
understand
who
they
are,
what
they
need
and
what
the
gaps
and
the
kinks
in
our
system
are
and
what
it
will
really
take
for
santa
fe
to
end
chronic
and
veteran
homelessness.
Chronic
homelessness
is
defined
as
being
homeless
for
more
than
12
months,
and
so
we
joined
this
movement
with
a
goal
to
really
end
chronic
and
veteran
homelessness.
O
O
It's
not
a
narrow
goal
in
that.
In
order
to
do
that,
we
need
to
basically
bolster
up
the
entire
system,
and
ending
homelessness
really
refers
to
this
concept
of
and
built
for
zero
called,
reaching
functional
zero.
It
doesn't
mean
we
never
have
any
homeless
people
in
santa
fe.
It
means
that,
once
we've
reached
functional
zero,
we
really
have
a
way
of
making
homelessness
very
brief
and
being
able
to
house
people
within
a
month
of
them
being
identified
as
homeless
sounds
like
a
very
lofty
goal.
O
Other
communities
using
this
methodology,
12
in
the
nation,
have
ended
veteran
homelessness
and
five
have
ended.
Chronic
homelessness
and
three
communities
have
ended
both.
So
we
want
to
join
that
those
ranks.
How
do
we
do
it?
We
start
with
this
concept
of
the
by
name
list.
That's
again
what
what
is?
What
are
all
the
people?
Who
are
they?
What
are
their
names?
What
do
they
need?
What
are
do
they
have
vouchers?
O
Are
they
veterans
it's
a
dynamic
list,
it's
a
tool
and
actually
a
system
for
making
us
able
to
house
people
rapidly
keep
people
housed
and
really
know
again
what
kind
of
numbers
we
need
in
terms
of
units,
permanent,
supportive
housing
and
other
kinds
of
units.
So
it
gives
us
a
picture
if
we
get
this
right.
What
is
the
scope
of
our
need
at
any
given
time?
O
How
many
people
do
we
have
moving
in
and
out
of
our
homeless
response
system
and
what
progress
are
we
making
it's
a
continuous
quality
improvement
tool
that
allows
us
to
say
you
know:
how
are
we
doing
in
addressing
this
problem?
Our
partner
in
the
work
is
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness.
O
They
house
what
some
of
you
have
become
familiar
with
by
me:
sort
of
harping
on
it,
which
is
the
coordinated
entry
system,
and
that
is
really
our
local
by
name
list
and
it's
a
mechanism
where
we
can
connect
the
most
vulnerable
people
to
housing
using
a
community
and
a
collaborative
approach.
You
may
recall
that
you
know
we
recently
put
into
the
interfaith
shelter
lease
the
participation
and
coordinated
entry,
so
that
we
can
really
bolster
that
data
coming
in
and
handling.
B
Yeah
good
evening,
so
the
list
currently
these
are
the
numbers
that
I
got
from
the
coalition
yesterday
afternoon.
It's
important
to
note
that
these
numbers
change
on
a
day-to-day
basis
as
people
move
in
and
out
of
the
community
as
people
are
housed
as
people
become
homeless.
B
These
numbers
kind
of
shift
a
little
bit
day-to-day,
where
we
see
really
big
changes
over
time
kind
of
tells
us
a
lot
about
how
we're
doing
when
we
joined
built
for
xero
a
year
and
two
years
ago.
I
think
we
had
about
60
chronically
homeless
people
and
about
150
households
total
in
our
system.
Now,
looking
at
our
numbers
now
where
we
have
367
households,
total
and
197
of
those
are
chronically
homeless,
that
doesn't
mean
that
we've
had
a
mass.
B
You
know
that
are
our
numbers
of
people
experiencing
homelessness
have
like
doubled,
but
really
the
the
way
that
our
system
has
been
able
to
capture
that
information,
and
you
know
the
systems
that
we've
put
in
place
to
track
people
and
to
pay
attention
to
where
that
data
is
coming
from
and
where
it's
going
and
who's.
B
Where
has
pretty
significantly
drastically
improved
so
going
over
these
numbers,
we
have
367
households
that
are
experiencing
homelessness
in
santa
fe
right
now
and
households,
that's
kind
of
defined
as
sort
of
any
sort
of
clumping
of
people
that
would
be
housed
together
if
they
were
in
housing.
So
that
could
be
a
couple
that
could
be
a
family
with
children
that
could
be
a
single
person,
197
of
those
are
chronically
homeless
and
the
breakdown
there
of
what
that
is
from
single
adults,
families,
youth
and
veterans.
B
B
11
of
those
are
veteran
households
and
then
on
kind
of
all
involved
in
that
are
282
people,
which
is
232
adults
and
50
children
in
140,
hotel
rooms.
O
I
just
want
to
add
that
you
know
part
of
our
role
in
all
of
this
has
been
to
lead,
be.
What's
called
the
community
lead
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness
as
our
data
lead
and
what
we've
done
a
lot
here
is
really
just
convene
and
have
these.
B
Yeah,
so
you
know
when
we
first
joined
built
for
zero.
Some
of
the
kind
of
glaring
issues
that
we
saw
in
our
community
were
really
around
how
our
system
overall
functions
and
flows
and
where
there's
coordination
and
where
there
really
isn't
part
of
that.
You
know
big
part
of
that
kind
of
comes
from
funders.
So
we
have
a
variety
of
funders
throughout
the
state,
federal
local
governments.
B
You
know,
look
at
those
goals
what
activities
are
being
funded
and
which
aren't
so
what
a
big
process
that
we've
been
working
on
is
looking
at
this
picture
in
front
of
you
and
figuring
out
how
we
kind
of
got
up
there
and
what
processes
we
need
to
take
to
get
that
alignment
happening
so
figuring
out
where
you
know
we
can
work
together
to
kind
of
make
some
of
these
things
a
lot
more
cohesive,
so
we're
kind
of
in
the
middle.
I
don't
know
if
we're
in
the
middle.
O
I
hope
we
are
where
we
are
right
now
is
some
of
the
things
that
we've
done:
implementing
system
improvement
to
this
coordinated
entry
work
where
the
buy
name
list
lives,
and
you
know
we
can
get
into
more
detail
on
that
at
another
time.
But
essentially
that
means
like
when
the
providers
come
together
at
a
table.
You
know:
are
we
working?
The
list
are
we
are
we
saying
these
are
the
most
vulnerable
people
not
just,
and
these
are
the
people
that
really
need
the
housing,
not
just
who
can
we
easily
house
now?
O
The
connect
network
has
been
helpful
in
that
it's
a
if
you
think
of
this
as
a
filter.
You
know
there
are
questions
on
that
screening
tool
that
thousands
of
people
are
now
being
asked
in
our
community.
We've
had
up
to
12
000
people
in
the
recent
pandemic
being
asked
the
question
you
know:
are
you
basically
secure
in
your
housing?
Do
you
are
you
in
fear
of
losing,
or
are
you
in
danger
of
losing
your
housing
within
30
days?
Are
you
now
currently
on
house?
O
So,
with
that
wider
filter,
we
can
bring
in
referrals
into
the
by
name
list
of
people
who
are
homeless
and
we're
getting
those
better
numbers.
We
expect
to
see
those
numbers
rise
before
they
start
to
go
down
and
we'd
be
happy
because,
as
anna
said,
that
means
we've
done
our
work
in
getting
good
data.
Also
around
good
data.
The
can
you
just
explain
the
point
in
time.
Count.
B
So
on
one
night
at
the
end
of
january,
it's
actually
next
monday
night,
the
community
providers
will
come
together
and
try
to
do
their
best
to
get
a
good,
really
good
count
of
who
was
experiencing
homelessness,
either
unsheltered
or
sheltered
on
that
one
night,
and
that
gives
us
a
little
bit
of
a
snapshot
of
what
our
number
looks
like
historically,
new
mexico
has
not
done.
B
A
O
B
Yeah
and
hotels,
other
sort
of
institutional
settings
are
counted
in
that.
H
Sorry
on
that
point
just
to
clarify
for
a
point
in
time,
so
someone
that's
couch
surfing
that
wouldn't
be.
Is
that
still
considered
sheltered?
It
is
actually.
B
Not
considered
homeless
at
all
by
hud
definition,
yeah,
it's
tricky
families
that
are
doubled
up
tripled
up,
people
that
are
couch
surfing
are
by
definition,
and
that's
not
a
definition
that
we
get
to
set.
Unfortunately,
they
are
not
considered
they're
not
counted
in
this.
O
However,
we
do
get
to
count
them
and
connect
so
getting
a
bigger
picture
in
that.
In
that
realm,
you
know
again
toward
the
who,
what
how
about
people
who
are
unsheltered?
O
How
are
we
reaching
them
thanks
to
cares
funding
and
some
you
know:
we've
been
able
to
purchase
the
whole
mobile
hygiene
unit
and
we
anna's
written
a
very
good
rfp
that
we
hope
to
get
out
here
in
february
for
combined
street
outreach
and
operation
of
that
mobile
hygiene
unit,
and
that
they're,
a
local
contractor,
will
help
us
do
outreach
to
encampments
to
people
in
arroyos
and
hopefully
bring
people
who
are
on
the
streets
and
not
accessing
our
shelters
into
our
sort
of
services.
O
Importantly,
but
also
again
getting
getting
accounts
that
we
know,
and
I
think
that
will
help
tremendously
to
get
a
quality
buy
name
list
where
we
really
have
a
better
sense.
We've
gotten
a
lot
of
buy-in
through
connect
and
recent
work
from
the
shelters
in
getting
people
into
databases
and
systems,
and
this
is
a
population
that
we
need
to
include
in
that.
O
Of
course,
thanks
to
the
wonderful
work
of
alexander
ladd
and
the
community
solutions
team,
which
is
the
umbrella
organization
for
built
for
xero,
and
the
cares
act,
funding
we're
able
to
buy
the
santa
fe
suites
where
we
have
now
122
affordable
units
and
they
really
are
affordable.
They
are
they're,
probably
going
to
be
about.
O
B
Yeah,
so
if
we
think
about
our
our
previous
system
model,
which
was
really
messy,
this
is
really
where
we're
trying
to
get
is
where
everyone
in
our
system
has
access,
whether
they're
seeking
help
they're
in
an
encampment
they're
encountered
through
outreach
or
they're
showing
up
in
our
hospitals,
school
systems
shelters
can
all
be
sort
of
funneled
through
the
same
process.
That's
equitable
and
fair
and
prioritizes
the
most
vulnerable
needy
people
in
our
community
into
safe
and
stable
housing.
O
We've
learned
a
lot:
this
is
our
last
slide
during
the
pandemic
and
terrible
thing
the
pandemic.
But
it's
also
given
us
a
lot
of
solutions
that
we
hope
to
build
upon
as
we
go
forward.
We
have
the
midtown
shelter.
Obviously
that
won't
be
there
forever,
but
this
idea
that
maybe
shelters
don't
need
to
be
congregate
situations.
Maybe
they
can
be
dormitory
style
situations,
certainly
so
safer
and
pandemic,
but
really
better
off
for
people
getting
stabilized
all.
L
O
We're
finding
it's
helped
us
reduce
our
census
at
shelters.
The
hotels
are
providing
isolation,
social
distancing,
again,
they're,
also
really
showing
shelter
staff
that
didn't
think
people
could
function
outside
of
a
congregate,
shelter
that
some
people
actually
can.
That
means
they
can
actually
function
in
housing
as
well.
We
are
that's
in
the
shelter
realm
in
terms
of
outreach.
O
Of
course,
we
are
looking
at
allowing
allowing
some
encampments
and
an
emergency
policy
that
allows
small
encampments
in
places
that
are
not
that
are
on
city
property,
that
are
not
environmental
hazards,
and
then
that's
also
allowed
us
to
step
up
the
fire
department
outreach
to
people
who
are
sleeping
outside
this.
Now
we
have
a
system
that
goes
through
constituent
services,
where
people
can
call
in
and
say
they're
concerned
about
an
encampment
and
there's
a
way
to
actually
get
to
those
folks
and
hopefully
connect
them
to
services.
O
We
are
really
doubling
down
on
community
partnerships
and
they've
been
really
strengthened
during
the
pandemic.
You
know:
we've
had
a
lot
of
partners,
step
up
new
partners
like
ancorum
foundation,
really
taking
an
interest
in
this
work
that
we're
very
excited
about,
and
that's
really
improving.
O
Our
system,
alignment
and
coordination,
I
think
the
we're
putting
a
lot
of
pressure
on
our
data
partner
and
they're,
really
stepping
up
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness,
where
anna
formerly
worked
so
we're
really,
you
know
happy
with
that
collaboration
and
then
the
data,
the
data
is,
what
tells
us
again
how
many
units
we
need,
what
kind
of
units
we
need
and
how
we
can
keep
improving
the
system.
You
know
continually
as
we
go,
and
that
is
the
end
of
our
presentation.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
This
has
been
very
informative,
all
three
of
these
presentations.
So
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
Questions
from
the
committee
on
on
this
last
piece,
the
the
built
for
xero
model
that
we've
been
participating
in.
A
All
right,
I
don't
see
any
yellow
hands.
Oh,
I
need
a
brown.
H
H
One
was
for,
I
guess
director
isaacson
about
the
fee
in
lieu
of
change
that
we
made
last
year
and
if
he
could
give
us
an
idea
of
how
many
developers
opted
to
use
those
other
options
that
were
provided
other
than
the
traditional
model
that
we've
been
that
we've
had
in
the
past
the
fee
in
lieu
of
so
I
know
there
were
like
hype.
There
were
different
ways
that
they
could
utilize
it
have
you
seen
developers
utilize
the
other
options.
L
I
have
thank
you
counselor
viral,
so
I
don't
have
numbers.
I
can
certainly
look
into
it
and
probably
alex
I
would
probably
reach
out
to
you
to
help,
try
to
track
down
to
get
a
sense
of
which
projects
took
advantage
of
the
fee
and
lou
versus
which
projects
provided
affordable
units.
L
I
do
know
that
we've
recently
approved
several
projects
that
are
providing
units
and
that's
not
just
multi-family
projects,
but
that
also
includes
single-family
projects
and
I
think
actually-
and
this
is
just
from
memory-
so
you
know
I
can
confirm
this,
but
I
actually
think
that
a
large
number
of
our
single
family
projects
are
providing
the
units.
L
It's
it's
the
multi-family
projects
and
it's
multi-family
projects
in
certain
areas
of
the
of
the
city,
where
the
underlying
value
land
values
tend
to
be
higher
is
where
developers
are
opting
for
the
fee
in
lieu
so
that
they
can
rent
the
units
at
a
market
rate.
So,
but
we
do
have,
you
know
again
think
about
in
terms
of
percentages.
L
If
we
looked
at
our
pipeline
map,
we
had
around
roughly
1750
units
there,
501
501
of
which
are
estimated
to
be
affordable,
so
we're
moving
up
from
that
seven
percent
that
you
mentioned
earlier,
closer
to
almost
33
or
a
third
of
the
unit
so
and
and
those
projects
those
pipeline
projects
are
ones
that
better
reflect
the
changes
that
we've
made
in
the
affordable
housing
fee
and
loop
program
as
recently
as
2019..
So
I
think
those
are
more
indicative,
maybe
of
how
we
might
record
and
alex.
E
Sure,
if
I
may
counselor
via
real,
there
have
been
no
market
rates
developers
who
have
gotten
approval
and
entered
into
an
agreement
to
provide
on-site,
affordable
units
yet,
but
part
of
that's
because
all
of
those
units
that
were
reflected
on
the
maps
that
eli
showed
those
were
all
approved.
Prior
to
the
changes
we
made
to
make
the
ordinance
more
flexible.
H
Thank
you
for
that
additional
information.
That
was
helpful.
I
think
what
I
struggle
with
and
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
community
development
commission
is
we
look
at
market
rate
multi-family
units
and
they
provide
a
market
rate
rent
option
and
it's
approved
and
they
pay
a
fee
in
lieu
of
and
then
later
on
down
the
way
they
start
increasing,
rent
rental
costs,
the
rents
go
up,
and
we
have
no
way
to
offset
that
somehow
by
requiring
that
requiring
them
to
do
like
some
kind
of
additional
fee.
H
I
don't
know
what
it
looks
like
what
it
could
be
structured
as,
but
it's
just
hard
to
see
how
they
start
off
with
a
certain
market
rate
and
then
because
there's
the
demand,
because
the
market's
doing
well,
they
can
increase
it
their
rents
and
it
it.
It
then
creates
problems
for
people
that
are
just
trying
to
make
the
current
market
rate
rents
that
they're
in
so
I
know
it,
we
don't
have
rent
control
and
that's
a
problem
for
me.
H
I
just
I'm
always
trying
to
think
of
a
way
that
we
can
incentivize
those
affordable,
not
affordable,
but
those
rental
units
or
those
multi-family
developments
so
that
they
stay
at
certain
rates
and
rental
rates
that
people
can
afford.
So.
E
So
that
is
a
kind
of
rent
control,
because
if
the
market
goes
wild
and
they
can
crank
up
the
rents
on
their
on
the
other
units,
they
can't
increase
their
their
set
aside
units
by
more
than
what
the
fair
market
rent
increases
so
and,
and
then
the
advantage
also
with
using
the
fair
market
rent
is
that
it
means
that
federal
subsidy
can
be
used
at
those
properties,
because
otherwise
you
can't
use
federal
subsidy
at
properties
where
that
market
rent
is
much
higher
than
the
fair
market
rent.
L
And
also
I
mean
this
is
an
area
where,
hopefully,
by
increasing
the
amount
of
supply
of
housing
in
our
market,
we
may
be
able
to
offset
some
of
that
upward
pressure
on
rents.
So
by
having
more
housing
available,
it's
not
quite
as
limited
there's,
not
as
much
competition
and
therefore
the
housing
rents
go
down,
and
I
know
also
and
alex.
You
may
have
some
some
insights
into
this.
H
Yeah,
I
think,
that's
a
possibility.
I
also
feel
like
santa
fe
has
always
been
expensive,
expensive
and
it
doesn't
go
down
even
if
our
market
isn't
doing
well.
So
that's
hard
hard
to
figure
out.
Thank
you
for
the
additional
information
I
think.
Let's
see
the
question
I
had
for
was
for
kira
director
ochoa.
If
you
could
describe
a
little
bit
more
about
encampment
opportunities
that
would
be
on
city
property
and
what
I'm
thinking
about
is
maybe,
similarly
what
they
do
in
las
cruces
with
the
campus
of
hope.
H
I
think
they
call
it
even
for
hope,
haven
for
hope.
O
Even
for
hope,
thank
you
is
it
camp
hope
or
haven
for
hope?
I'm
sorry,
I
think
it's
haven
for
hope,
yeah
visit
there.
It's
we
actually
looked
at
that.
I
think
it's
a
very
well
organized
encampment
with
very
you
know,
good
services
they're
very
connected
to
a
local
provider.
O
You
know
I
don't
know
what
we
need
in
terms
of
keeping
people
sheltered
beyond
the
pandemic.
Anna
mentioned
the
people,
many
people
who've
gotten
hotels
right
now,
we're
working
very
hard
to
keep
them
there
and
to
exit
them
into
some
kind
of
housing.
Ideally,
that
may
not
be
possible,
given
you
know
the
scope
of
the
need,
so
you
know
I
think
anna
has
a
lot
of
experience
from
portland
oregon
working.
O
You
know
with
their
real
pros
and
cons
to
sort
of
sanctioned
encampment
areas-
tent
cities-
if
you
will,
you
know
in
order
to
really
be
done
well,
that
you
have
to
put
a
lot
of
resources
into
them,
and
you
know
the
built
for
zero
folks,
really
advise
us
to
put
those
resources
into
housing
and
to
rental
vouchers.
Another
thing
we
can
do,
I
think,
is
to
educate
our
landlords
about
how
wonderful
it
is
to
rent
to
people
who
have
a
rent
subsidy.
O
It's
a
really
good
experience.
They
generally
come
well
supported
with
case
management
if
they
need
it
and
your
rent
check
is
never
late.
So
if
people
are
worried
about
that
in
the
current
economy,
I
think
we
need
to
educate
landlords
that
that's
a
good
option.
I
think
we
want
to
focus
on
the
housing
and
not
so
much
the
encampments.
I
think
the
opportunities
that
we're
seeing
in
the
pandemic
is
to
actually
reach
people
in
encampments.
You
know
we
have
a
very
interesting
landscape.
O
As
you
know,
in
santa
fe,
where
people
have
chosen
to
live
out
of
doors
in
arroyos,
isolated,
we've
talked
to
homeless
people
who
say
we
won't
go
into
shelter
because
we're
actually
protecting
ourselves
from
the
pandemic
by
living
in
this
way.
So
the
that's
slow
work
to
build
the
relationships
with
those
folks
to
to
understand.
You
know
what
their
ideal
situation
is
and
to
kind
of
go
with
the
grain.
H
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
from
the
committee
all
right.
Thank
you.
Everyone
really
appreciate
your
being
here
tonight
very
informative.
I
would
love
to
have
those
presentations
if
you
get
a
chance
just
to
study
them
more
closely.
It's
a
lot
of
information.
A
I
can
tell
you
that
we
will
continue
this
conversation
in
these
presentations
in
the
upcoming
meetings.
We've
we've
planned
out
some
more
more
things
that
I
think
will
be
very
for
informative
for
figuring
out
how
we
put
the
policies
in
place
and
the
funding
to
to
continue
to
do
this
work
in
the
community.
So
again,
thank
you.
Everyone.
We
will
move
on
now,
matters
from
staff.
Jennifer,
do
you
have
anything
tonight.