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A
We
are
streaming
wonderful.
Thank
you.
So
much
five
o'clock
we're
going
to
call
the
July
20th
2022
quality
of
life
meeting
to
order
Loretta.
If
I
could
please
get
a
roll
call
at
counselor,
Chavez
Garcia
here,
councilor
Michael
Garcia,
president
chair
Castle,
here
we
have
a
quorum
Madam
chair.
Thank
you.
Moving
on
to
approval
of
the
agenda.
We
have
one
change.
We
are
going
to
be
removing
item
P
from
the
consent
calendar.
A
B
A
Any
opposed
I
wish
I'm
passes.
Moving
on
to
approval
of
the
consent
agenda.
Are
there
items
for
members
of
the
committee
they'd
like
to
hear
answer,
Michael
Garcia.
C
A
All
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye.
Any
opposed
motion
passes.
Moving
on
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
July
6th
quality
of
life
committee
meeting.
Are
there
any
changes
from
staff
or
from
the
committee?
A
Any
change
from
the
committee
Loretta
looks
like
we
are
still
having
some
challenges
with
the
a
few
of
the
items
on
here
are
we
is
that
still
something
that
we
can't
change
at
this
point?
We
still
have
a
minute.
Counselor
tab
is
referred
to
as
member
Chavez.
Yes,
Jeff
is
working
on
that
and
it
might
be
corrected
by
the
next.
It's.
C
A
Believe
corrected
going
forward,
I,
don't
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
can
correct
it
right
it's
on
and
we
also
have
member
Garcia.
It
looks
like
as
well
yes
and
then
are
we
able
to
correct
the
fact
that
it's
not
specifying
Michael
Garcia
versus
Lee
Garcia?
A
He
was
working
on
that
last
I
heard
to
talk
to
Jeff
going
forward.
I
will
confirm
that
tomorrow
morning,
okay,
so
moving
forward,
we
will
be
able
to
make
those
changes.
So
there
have
been
some
challenges
with
primebed
with
the
quality
of
life
committee,
meeting
quality
of
life
committee
minutes,
but
staff
is
aware
of
them
and
are
working
to
update
them
in
private
book.
Just
so
you
all
are
aware,
and
with
that
is
there
a
motion.
A
To
approve
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
any
opposed,
okay.
Moving
on
to
presentations,
we
have
findings
and
recommendations
for
growing
and
sustaining
Early
Childhood,
Education
and
Care
in
Santa
Fe
we
have
Julie
Sanchez
from
Youth
and
Family
Services
and
Rachel's
picture
presenting
you're
welcome.
Ladies.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here.
B
A
The
last
change
was
if
there
was
a
duplicate,
there
were
the
same,
I
believe
Jack
removed
the
duplicate,
and
when
was
the
when
did
the
removal
occur
occurred
after
the
agenda
was
published
on
Friday,
it
was
discovered
believe
on
Monday
I
was
informed
that
there
was
a
duplicate,
so
we
contacted
Jeff
and
he
removed
one
of
the
items.
A
D
A
The
ones
pulled
off
from
discussion
is
q,
and
that
is
the
resolution.
Updating
the
terms
of
approval
included
in
resolutions
number
2020-24
and
2022-9
to
change
the
permitted
location
of
banners
commemorating
Hometown
Heroes
from
the
Cerrillos
Road
Corridor
to
the
rail
yard,
and
then
R
was
also
pulled,
which
is
a
resolution
adopting
new
procedural
rules
for
city
council
standing
committees.
A
So
that
is
what
will
be
discussed
item
P,
which
was
an
ordinance
amending
section,
23-5.2
sfcc
1987,
to
specify
that
major
commercial
events
are
not
entitled
to
use
city
property
that
is
otherwise
leased
by
the
city
is
no
longer
being
considered
tonight.
That
item
has
been
postponed,
so
it
will
not
be
discussed
this
evening.
B
A
A
I
apologize
director,
Sanchez
and
Ms
Kutcher
the
floor
is
now
yours.
Thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
us
that
detour.
A
No
worries,
thank
you
all
for
having
us
this
evening.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
give.
D
Eight
ish
months
ten
months
and
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
and
give
her
the
floor.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
council,
so
this
presentation
is
really
sort
of
wrapping
up
the
conclusion
of
my
contract,
looking
at
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care
and
Landscape
analysis
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
C
So
just
to
give
you
an
overview
of
the
scope
of
this
work
over
that
time.
So
it
really
was
intended
to
be
an
overview
of
the
current
landscape
of
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care
in
Santa,
Fe
and
to
some
degree
across
New
Mexico.
C
Just
because
there's
a
lot
of
State
policy
and
funding
that
impacts,
the
city,
child
care
system
and
really
with
a
focus
on
ages,
zero
to
five
and
specifically
in
care
settings
so
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care
is
often
defined
as
prenatal
to
eat
and
also
includes
other
services
like
home,
visiting
early
intervention,
many
other
programs
and
services.
But
this
this
project
really
focused
on
that
scope
of
zero
to
five
be
four
children
can
generally
enter
a
universal
public
K-12
system.
C
C
The
city
and
the
council
have
already
done
a
lot
to
support
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care
this
year.
So
you
passed
an
ordinance
that
I
meant
at
the
Land
Development
code
to
permit
preschool
and
child
care
facilities
by
Wright
and
all
zoning
districts,
except
for
the
industrial
districts
and
committed
art
with
funds
to
early
early
childhood
teacher
apprenticeship
pilot
program
at
the
college
and
the
fire
marshal
also
engaged
in
some
conversations
about
prior
code
barriers
for
home-based
care
providers.
C
So
to
start
with
I'm
just
going
to
provide
some
more
information
about
the
provider
interviews
and
the
recommendations
that
came
out
of
that,
so
I
interviewed
13,
center-based,
license
providers
and
that's
out
of
24
total
so
about
half
in
the
city.
Most
of
those
are
single
site.
They
just
have
one
center-based
location.
C
There
are
some
primarily
Head
Start
Early
Head
Start
that
have
numerous
locations
across
the
city
and
county
and
then
I
also
interviewed
two
home-based
license
providers
and
that's
out
of
only
seven
total
so
about
a
third
and
worked
on
with
with
Julie
and
with
councilor
cassette
and
some
others.
Some
structured
interview
questions
so
that
we
were
really
being
consistent
and
what
we
were
asking
across
providers.
C
So
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
of
these
themes.
But
these
are.
These
are
all
the
themes
that
came
up
in
provider
interviews
and
where
the
focus
of
some
of
the
questions,
and
so
that
should
give
you
a
good
sense
of
the
contents
of
that
report
and
how
that
is
organized
by
themes.
C
C
But
this
is
a
system
that
has
been
so
underinvested
and
both
at
the
federal
and
the
state
level
in
the
past
that
the
gaps
are
still
quite
large
and
in
the
report
around
the
in
the
funding
report,
there's
more
information
that
really
outlines
what
this
you
know.
What
investments
are
currently
coming
in
through
the
state
and
some
of
that
the
size
of
that
remaining
Gap.
C
We
have
a
really
old
building
stock
in
Santa
Fe,
which
has
been
a
challenge
for
existing
programs
and
new
programs
in
terms
of
Maintenance
and
emergency
maintenance
that
comes
up
sometimes
and
also
there's
licensure
requirements
around
what
the
space
looks
like
for
a
child
care
setting,
particularly
for
for
those
young
children,
infants
and
to
others,
and
so
often
there's
Renovations
that
are
needed
to
make
it
possible
to
provide
care
and
to
get
licensed
in
the
building
and
then
new
construction
purchasing
buildings.
Everything
is
also
just
very
expensive
in
Santa
Fe.
C
As
you
know,
subsidies
to
provide
infant
toddler
care
really
important.
That's
our
biggest
Gap
in
terms
of
licensed
care
spots
is
for
infants
and
toddlers,
and
part
of
that
is
because
it's
very
expensive
to
provide
infant
and
toddler
care.
There
is
a
very
low
adult,
so
child
ratio
required
for
that
care.
It
makes
it
very
expensive-
and
it's
very
hard
for
most
programs
to
provide
that
or
to
provide
it
at
a
at
a
large
scale.
C
So
a
lot
of
programs
that
are
providing
it
are
subsidizing
it
with
revenues
from
their
their
care
for
older
children
and
they're
having
to
limit
the
number
of
early
of
infant
toddler
classrooms
they
can
provide
a
lot
of
other
providers
are
just
choosing
not
to
do
it
because
of
the
financial.
The
financial
calculus,
for
that
wage.
Support
for
Early
Childhood
Educators
would
also
really
support
the
workforce.
C
There's
a
lot
of
difficulty
with
Recruitment
and
Retention,
largely
because
wages
are
low
and
wages
are
low
because
the
the
income
margins
for
early
childhood
education
and
carrier
solo
support
to
pursue
higher,
focused
star
ratings
or
national
accreditation.
So
the
state
uses
a
quality
reading
system,
and
that
requires
a
lot
of
work.
It
requires
lower
ratios,
so
that
becomes
more
expensive.
You
have
more
adults
to
fewer
children
and
then
there's
also
quite
a
few
requirements
to
move
up
those
quality
star
ratings
or
to
achieve
a
national
accreditation
and
child
care
assistance.
C
Reimbursement
rates
are
tied
to
those
Focus
ratings,
so
they
become
important
to
long-term
sustainability
summer
and
after
care
programming.
A
lot
of
programs
talked
about
as
a
challenging
expense,
and
the
city
is
already
supporting
one
pre-k
program
during
the
summer
when
the
state
is
not
funding
it
through
cyc
dollars,
but
there's
really
a
need
for
a
more
consistent
approach
across
across
all
of
our
early
childhood
providers.
C
For
that
there's
a
lot
around
teacher
in
education,
higher
education
and
professional
development,
because
there's
a
lot
on
in
the
February
report
on
that
I
won't
go
into
more
detail
and
since
the
start
of
the
pandemic,
The
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care
department
has
been
waiving
family
co-pays
for
child
care
assistance
for
all
families
who
are
under
200
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level
and
then,
as
of
May
of
this
year,
they
begin
to
waive
those
co-pays
for
all
families
and
child
care
assistance.
C
Up
to
400
percent
of
the
federal
poverty
level,
but
they're
using
arpa
funding
to
pay
for
those
copay
waivers
right
now,
and
so
that's
currently
expected
to
expire
in
June
2023.
And,
of
course
our
funding
is
not
a
recurring
source,
and
so,
unless
they
find
other
funds
to
substitute
that
that'll
become
a
big
need
for
families
to
financially
access
care.
C
C
So
other
recommendations
that
came
up
as
thinking
about
if
the
city
could
provide
wraparound
care
when
Early
Childhood
programs
are
closed.
So
Head
Start,
based
on
their
Federal
funding,
does
not
operate
in
the
summer.
Early
Head
Start
does,
but
so
that's
easy,
zero
to
to
3
and
then
ages,
3
to
5
for
head
start
funding
does
not
operate
during
the
summer
and
public
Pre-K,
of
course,
is
also
closed
during
the
summer.
So
that
provides
a
big
gap
for
families.
C
Can
the
city
should
consider
opening
new
infant
into
other
care
classrooms,
whether
that's
directly
or
through
these
contacts
with
existing
local
providers
to
really
help
subsidize
that
cost
and
make
sure
that
we've
got
that
available
infant
and
toddler
care
in
the
community
and
then
also
training
connect
Navigators
on
child
care
assistance
eligibility
so
an
enrollment.
C
The
providers
also
brought
up
a
lot
of
issues
around
accessing
developmental
and
behavioral
supports,
particularly
for
children
ages.
Three
to
five.
The
state's
fit
program
covers
ages,
zero
to
three
and
seems
to
be
working
fairly
well,
but
when
developmental
and
behavioral
supports
or
responsibility
for
addressing
those
needs
shifts
to
the
school
districts
at
each
three
they're
running
into
a
lot
of
challenges
and
so
engaging
the
state
and
schools
in
that
conversation
is
important.
C
And
then
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
appetite
from
our
current
providers
to
provide
care
during
non-traditional
hours,
and
it
may
also
not
be
what
families
most
need.
If
you're
thinking
about
people
who
are
working
late
nights
or
overnights,
they
may
need
more
home-based,
Care,
Solutions
and
so
engaging.
You
know
helping
employers
to
engage
in
some
conversations
with
their
employees
and
really
identify
if
I
were
the
greatest
needs,
are
and
really
building
some
strategies
to
support
from
there.
C
But
that
may
not
look
like
our
current
system
and
then
providers
also
are
struggling
with
substitutes,
because
currently
the
background
checks
that
are
required
are
tied
to
the
individual,
Center
program
or
employer,
and
so
potentially
advocating
for
a
state
regulatory
change
that
would
allow
providers
to
create
a
shared
substitute
future
pool
would
really
help,
specifically
in
City
Zoning,
permitting
and
fire
code.
There
are
some
fire
code
barriers
specifically
for
home-based
care
providers.
C
The
fire
marshal
was
great
at
engaging
in
some
conversations
in
that
and
we
weren't
able
to
identify
a
clear
strategy
or
solution
just
yet
and
so,
including
whether
that
really
needs
to
be
addressed
at
the
city
policy
level
or
at
the
state
policy
level,
because
the
student
should
be
fire
code.
That's
been
adopted
is
adopted
based
on
the
code
that
the
State
Fire
Marshal
had
adopted.
C
So
looking
at
more
at
that
issue
and
then
also
identifying
a
point
person
at
the
city
that
can
help
perspective
or
new
child
care
providers
to
really
understand
and
navigate
permitting
and
fire
inspection
programs.
You
know
the
programs
I
talked
to
mostly
have
been
operating
a
long
time
once
they're
in
operation.
Renewing
things
you
know
renewing
their
fire
inspectional.
C
That
has
not
been
an
issue,
but
they
did
talk
about
how
daunting
it
is
when
you're,
in
that
startup
phase,
something
we
didn't
look
at,
that
I
think
is
really
important,
is
identifying
City
fees
required
for
home-based
care
providers,
which
are
on
top
of
fees
that
they
also
have
for
the
state
inspection
and
seeing
if
those
are
a
potential
barrier
and
if
rejections
or
adjustments,
so
those
are
possible.
C
And
then
this
really
ties
back
to
the
funding.
But
funding
for
fire
suppression
updates
should
be
included
in
future
funding
opportunities
for
Early
Childhood
because
it
was
identified
as
a
need.
C
Physical
space
and
capital
was
probably
one
of
the
the
most
frequently
mentioned
needs
in
terms
of
both
current
operations
and
opening
new
programs.
C
Santa
Fe
Public
Schools,
as
you
probably
all
know
this
year,
announced
that
they
were
opening
an
early
childhood
education
centers
for
ages,
zero
to
three
specifically
for
their
employees
and
it's
a
limited
size,
but
is
a
really
great
pilot
using
existing
space
in
a
public
school
building.
That
space
had
already
been
designed
specifically
to
be
licensed
for
Early
Childhood
Head
Start
was
actually
occupying
it
previously.
So
there
may
be
some.
You
know
Renovations.
C
That
would
be
needed
to
make
other
spaces
available,
but
you
know
engaging
with
the
school
district
to
see
if
there's
possibilities
for
collaboration
to
provide
space,
whether
the
district
then
directly
operates
those
programs
or,
if
there's
the
possibility
to
contract
with
external
providers,
also
looking
at
opportunities
to
renovate
existing
City
buildings
to
provide
space
for
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care,
or
include
spaces
that
could
be
licensed
that
meet
the
licensing
requirements
during
new
construction.
C
C
C
I
think
on
the
staff
side,
starting
with
a
survey
of
the
city
staff,
to
really
understand
the
need
and
demand
for
an
early
learning
center
for
city
employees
would
be
really
critical
and
potentially,
if
the
city
is
addressing
care
needs
for
staff,
that
becomes
a
recruitment
and
retention
tool
as
well
and
then
consider
Contracting
with
existing
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care
Providers,
whether
again
that's
to
provide
care
just
for
City
staff
or
for
the
broader
community
and
city-owned
buildings,
and
then
employer
supported
child
care.
C
So
there's
a
lot
that
employers
could
also
do
to
contribute
to
the
supply.
The
Santa
Fe
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
growing
up
New
Mexico
did
a
survey
with
Employers
in
April
about
this,
and
I
learned
to
the
week
have
also
can
mean
to
subsequent
working
group,
so
I
think
step.
One
is
to
talk
to
them
and
see
how
that
work
can
be
supported.
There
is
some
work.
The
city
could
potentially
do
also
around
educating
local
businesses,
about
federal
and
state
tax
credits
and
about
a
state
child
care
supply,
building,
Grant
right
now.
C
That
includes
employers
as
eligible
applicants,
but
it
doesn't
include
the
business
development
plan,
phase
of
our
business
plan,
development
for
employers,
and
so
maybe
even
funding
that
so
that
employers
could
be
ready
to
apply
for
State
funding
and
then
the
federal
tax
credit.
The
way
it's
designed
right
now
isn't
really
helpful
to
non-profit
or
governmental
employers,
and
so
there's
a
GAO
report
about
potential
changes
to
that.
So
there
could
be
an
advocacy
role
for
the
city
there.
C
The
last
piece
that
I'll
just
briefly
touch
on
is
that
there
so
there's
an
entire
report
on
funding
mechanisms
for
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care,
and
so
I'll.
Just
give
you
a
quick
overview
of
the
categories
that
were
addressed
in
that
so
there's
a
few
different
ways
that
that
local
communities,
cities
counties
across
the
country
are
allocating
funds
specifically
for
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care.
One
way
to
do
that
is
a
budget
allocation
and
the
governing
body
could
do
that
annually,
but
it's
not
particularly
sustainable,
especially
as
elected
officials
change
over
time.
C
Some
cities
have
also
in
their
Charters,
set
a
percentage
of
the
city
annual
budget
that
goes
towards
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care.
There's
a
lot
of
entities,
particularly
counties
that
have
done
property
taxes,
whether
that's
a
new
tax
or
a
percentage
set
aside
of
existing
taxes
and
that
can
be
uniformly
applied.
There
could
be
higher
rates
for
homes
over
specific
value
or
not
continuously
occupied.
C
There
are
many
communities
that
are
also
using
a
sales
tax.
The
city
already
does
this
for
some
other
special
initiatives
like
the
Children
and
Youth
commission
and
the
Human
Services
committee
and
again
that
can
look
like
a
new
tax
or
a
percentage
set
aside.
C
There's
a
few
communities
that
have
local
income
taxes
since
Santa
Fe
doesn't
currently
have
that
that
could
be
a
big
infrastructure
lift,
but
it
is
something
that
some
communities
used
cannabis
cultivation
taxes
came
up
quite
a
bit
or
other
taxes
on
specific
Goods,
so
tobacco,
nicotine,
alcohol
and
then
recently,
just
this
year,
actually
Colorado,
as
at
the
state
legislature
expanded
their
eligible
uses
for
Rogers
tax
to
include
affordable
housing
and
Early
Childhood
Education
and
Care,
recognizing
the
impact
of
Tourism
on
those
other
areas
and
the
need
for
that
for
their
tourism
and
Hospitality
Workforce.
C
So
in
terms
of
this
funding,
Stream
area
specifically
I
think
that
you
know
the
real
immediate.
Next
steps
are
determining
whether
or
not
the
city
is
really
interested
in
pursuing
that
and
if
so,
taking
a
few
of
those
potential
revenue
streams
and
doing
some
additional
and
really
focused
research
and
Analysis
on
potential
revenues
from
that
potential
impact
and
and
also
voter
support,
because
a
lot
of
these
do
require
voter
approval
in
creating
a
steering
committee
to
look
at
the
purpose
and
use
of
proposed
funds.
C
The
children's
funding
project
is
a
National
Organization,
which
specifically
is
focused
on
supporting
local
municipalities
to
develop
dedicated
funding
streams
for
children's
services
or
Early
Childhood
Services,
and
so
they
have
a
really
great
resource
on
kind
of
all,
of
the
steps
for
doing
that,
and
so
I'd
also
refer
you
to
them.
For
that.
C
C
A
All
your
work
over
the
last
I
don't
know
what
six
months,
but
if
you've
been
at
this,
it
was
a
very
heavy
lift
and
I
really
appreciate
all
three
very
detailed
reports
that
you've
put
forward
on
these
different
topics.
So
thank
you.
So
much
really
really
helpful.
D
Councilman
video,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
the
work
you
put
in
for
this
very
comprehensive
report.
I
I
read
one
of
them
and
then
I'm
like
wait.
There's
another
one.
How
did
I
miss
this
one?
So
one
of
the
one
I
read
was
what
you
presented
on
the
other
one
seemed
to
address
some
of
the
same
issues.
Can
you
remind
me
what
that
there
were
not
issues,
but
it
kind
of
covered
a
lot
of
the
same
topics?
C
Sure
so,
there's
three
reports
and
there's
a
few
areas
of
duplication
for
the
most
part:
they're,
not
duplicative,
but
there
are
a
few
areas
that
just
was
needed
for
clarity
or
to
update
some
data.
C
So
the
first
report
is
really
the
one
in
February
was
really
focused
on
existing
local
and
Statewide
data,
covid-19
impact
Early
Childhood
Workforce
strategies
that
are
already
underway
in
the
city
and
our
recommendations,
and
there
was
also
some
licensure
data
and
data
in
kind
of
those
gaps
which
has
been
updated
in
one
of
the
June
reports.
So
the
two
June
reports,
one
was
focused
on
a
lot
on
the
interviews
with
providers
and
those
themes
that
I
went
through,
which
was
the
main
focus
of
the
report
today.
C
The
third
was
really
on
the
funding
piece.
So
I
think
there
was
a
little
bit
of
the
fuss
in
other
places.
There
was
some
overlap.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
funding
in
the
first
report,
but
I
repeated
it
in
the
last
and
that
third
report
just
to
make
sure
that
it
was
comprehensive
and
it
wasn't
missing
anything.
C
So
that
third
report
is
current
funding
for
early
childhood
education
care
in
Santa
Fe,
a
lot
of
which
is
State
funding
and
then
a
lot
of
detailed
tables
about
all
these
examples
of
different
funding
mechanisms
from
other
communities.
Okay,.
D
What
was
exciting
to
me
and
then
also
kind
of
like
oh,
how
do
we
prioritize
this
there's
a
lot
we
covered
you
all
covered,
so
many
different
areas
that
are
that
are
part
of
Childhood
Education
and
Care
and
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
what's
first,
what
what
do
we
do?
First
and
I
know
thanks
to
councilwoman
cassett,
we
have
been
some
things
that
have
moved
forward.
D
D
If
you
had
to
prioritize
out
of
all
of
the
things
that
are
being
request
not
requested
but
recommendations,
how
would
you
then
prioritize
those
based
on
even
like
what
you've
heard
from
staff
and
then
the
working
group
but
I'm.
C
Just
yeah
I
think
I
mean
I
have
to
pick
one
I
think
that
would
be
hard
if
I
can
pick
just
a
few
I
would
say
I
think
a
funding
stream
is
really
important,
I
think
and
I
think
there's
some
more
work
to
be
done,
then,
on
prioritizing
proposed
uses
of
that
funding
stream
that
that
they're
they're
just
are
such
large
funding
gaps
for
early
childhood
education
and
care.
C
C
I
provided
updated,
licensure
data
in
that
they're
in
one
of
the
June
reports,
and
that's
just
you
can
see
how
big
those
gaps
are,
and
then
the
last
thing,
I
would
say,
is
thinking
about
care
for
city
employees
as
an
employer,
particularly
if
you're
looking
to
other
employers
to
help
with
the
child
care
supply
really
being
a
leader
in
that
space.
D
D
I
was
just
at
I.T
today
in
one
of
the
one
of
our
employees
had
her
child
there
with
her,
because
the
programming,
whatever
she
was
doing
that
day,
was
over,
and
there
was
this
Gap
time
period.
So
I
just
think
that
there's.
That
would
be
something
that
we
should
do
to
support
our
employees
right
off
the
bat
and
then
you
know
it's
part
of
the
bigger
structure
too.
D
One
question
I
was
curious.
About
is
how
many
of
the
providers
you
interviewed
were
non-profit
versus
for-profits.
C
That's
a
great
question
and
I
actually
would
need
to
go
back,
I
think
and
look
at
the
list,
because
I
have
a
good
sense
of
who
is
non-profit
and
for-profit,
but
I
didn't
count
it
up
and
really
look
at
it.
That
way,
I
think
I
guess
I
will
say.
Broadly
we
do
have
quite
a
few
non-profit
providers,
yeah
I'm,
not
sure
I'm,
not
sure.
Quite
what
the
division
is.
I'd
have
to
go,
look
and
get
back.
C
D
And
I
asked
that
because
I
think
about-
and
maybe
Julie
could
answer
this-
if
there
would
the
nonprofit
groups
if
they
would
be
eligible
for
any
funding
that
we
have
through
City
Grants
that
are
in
your
department
and
I,
don't
know
if
that,
if
that's
something
that
we've
thought
about
at
least
for
the
nonprofit
sectors,
first
nonprofit
organizations.
A
So
Madam
chair
councilor
via
real,
so
we
do
fund
non-profit
Early,
Child
Care
Providers.
Our
funding
is,
you
know
it's
a
pretty
small
pool,
that's
very
distributed
pretty
broadly,
but
generally
we
try
to
fund
at
least
two.
A
D
Got
it
okay
and
then
the
other
question
I
was
curious.
About
is
out
of
those
because
I'm
I
mean
I,
don't
have
a
child,
so
I,
don't
know
all
the
providers
and
who
provides
what
kind
of
services
and
how
many
of
them
that
you
interviewed
actually
provides
lighting
scale
opportunities
for
their
services
versus
like
more
expensive
high-end.
C
So
I
didn't
ask
about
siding
scale
which
I
have.
In
retrospect.
We
did
ask
about
other
a
lot
of
different
funding
sources
that
they
take
and
I
think
the
most
relevant.
C
There
really
becomes
child
care
assistance
because
there's
some
there
are
some
gaps
potentially
for
children
who
were
not
us
born
to
access
that,
but
as
long
as
children
have
a
Social
Security
number
and
citizenship,
even
if
their
parents
do
not,
if
the
family
is
income
eligible,
the
children
are
eligible
for
child
care
assistance
and
so
citing
fee
becomes
a
little
bit
less
relevant.
If
a
provider
is
accepting
child
care
assistance.
C
It's
a
great
question:
not
everybody
does
and
I
do,
provide
a
little
more
detail
in
the
report
on
that.
C
Most
of
the
providers
do,
if
you
do
not
accept
it
at
all,
but
also
there's
a
group
of
providers
who
accept
it,
but
are
not
they're
limiting
the
number
of
children
in
their
programs
who
who
are
on
child
care
assistance,
because
the
reimbursement
rates
are
too
low
for
it
to
be
financially
sustainable
for
them,
particularly
if
they're
lower
than
a
five-star
quality
reading,
which
is
the
highest
reimbursement
rate,
and
so
there's
some
real
issues
around
that
and
I
think
any
strategy
to
address
that
needs
to
look
at
both
Family
Access,
as
well
as
the
financial
well-being
of
those
providers,
since
even
for
profit
providers
are
not
operating
with
a
significant
profit
margin.
C
D
D
Maybe
it's
across
the
board,
but
I
think
when
we
start
looking
at
the
numbers,
maybe
they're
us,
maybe
I,
don't
know
if
that
data
was
collected,
but
maybe
they're
actually
more
low-income
families
that
actually
need
that
Child
Care
support
or
that
option
and
then
also
having
the
child
care
assistance
option.
Two
I
guess:
I
was
just
thinking
about
how
those
compare,
if
that
makes
sense
like
the
need
out
there
and
then
how
it
relates
to
our
providers
is
that
somewhere
in
the
report.
C
So
there
is
in
the
first
report
in
February.
There
is
some
some
kind
of
information
both
from
state
and
local
surveys
and
rape
in
data
that
give
you
a
sense
of
what
the
need
is
and
I
would
and
then
the
licensure
data,
which
was
updated
in
one
of
the
June
reports,
does
give
you
a
sense
of
the
licensed
care
slots
versus
the
children
in
each
age.
C
This
is
the
demand
and
for
each
income
group
versus
you
know
which
providers
are
providing
new
spots
and
at
what
fun,
with
what
funding
sources
and
all
of
that
there's
just
not
comprehensive
data
for
that.
But
I
think
the
closest
you
can
get
is
really
looking
at
that
licensure
versus
number
of
children
per
age
group
and
multiplied
by
some
percentages.
D
Thank
you
for
that
I'm
interested
in
that
I.
Don't
know
if
the
growing
like
growing
New,
Mexico
or
growing
Santa
Fe,
now
growing
up
New
Mexico.
If
they've
collected
that
data
specific
for
Santa
Fe,
probably
for
the
county,
though
I
would
think
the
need
the
demand
for
child
care
and.
C
I
think
I
mean
they
have
a
list
of
reports
on
their
website
and
several
of
their
reports
in
that
February
report.
I
included
data
from
several
of
their
reports
in
there
and
so
I
think.
That's
the
closest
that
we'll
get
there's
just
not
a
comprehensive,
like
census,
type
of
service.
D
C
A
Add
a
little
bit
to
that
conversation
because
it
is,
it
is
a
frequent
one
at
all
of
the
childhood
meetings.
Is
that
capturing
what
the
need
for
child
care
is
in
the
community
becomes
really
challenging
for
a
couple
reasons:
one
just
trying
to
get
that
whole
population
people
are,
you
know
frequently
having
children
or
children,
are
graduating
into
the
public
school
system,
but
also
the
sense
that
if
there
was
more
more
child
care
available,
people
would
want
more
child
care.
So
it's
kind
of
the
way
that
they're
doing
some
of
these
surveys
is
like.
A
Are
you
in
child
care?
Are
you
having
enough
and
what
they
tend
to
find?
Is
that
as
kind
of
spaces
start
to
open
up,
the
kind
of
demand
starts
to
move,
because
then
parents
see
the
opportunity
to
put
their
child
in
child
care
and
then
return
to
the
workforce.
So
it's
kind
of
this
really
interesting.
A
It's
a
bit
of
an
iterative
process
that
that,
as
both
access
to
funding,
primarily
through
the
state
and
and
their
expansion
of
support
of
early
childhood
education
and
supporting
families
up
to
40
of
FPL,
as
well
as
when
there
are
more
spaces
that
are
offering
the
hours
that
actually
meet
parents
needs
that,
then,
suddenly,
the
demand
also
starts
to
tick
up
a
little
bit
so
kind
of
a
it's
a
challenging
one.
To
pin
down.
D
C
It's
the
land
grant
permanent
fundamental
passes
that
will
represent
a
significant
influx
of
additional
funding
and
a
lot
of
books
where
I
talk
to
don't
think
that
that
will
fully
meet
the
need,
certainly
in
things
like
physical
and
Catholic,
space
and
capital
needs.
That's
just
not
currently
addressed
under
State
funding
for
Early,
Childhood,
Education
and
Care,
and
so
not
likely
to
be
addressed
under
that.
C
There
is
a
providers
mentioned
last
week
at
an
early
childhoods
during
committee
meeting
the
need
for
pre-k
reefs
to
increase.
They
have
an
increase
in
several
years.
Apparently
it's
just
not
going
to
fully
fill
that
Gap.
So
if
you
look
at
the
amount
that
the
state
finance
plan
says
that
they
need
to
reach
saturation
points
and
to
also
increase
reimbursement
rates
across
all
of
those
services,
and
then
you
look
at
the
projections
of
the
land
grant,
Permanent
Fund
will
bring
in
there's
still
a
gap
of.
C
Let's
say
it
was
a
few
hundred
million
dollars,
so
it's
it's
going
to
help
for
sure,
but
I
don't
think
it
will
fully
meet
those
needs.
C
D
A
The
land
grant
fund
would
fill
in
that
Gaff
too.
So
if
it
does
something
else,
just
to
add.
B
Sure,
thank
you,
Miss
Couture,
Miss
Sanchez,
not
really
a
question.
Just
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
really
appreciate
it.
One
thing
that
you
highlighted
in
your
presentation
that
I've
continuously
advocated
for
is
the
repurposing
of
City
buildings.
We've
got
a
lot
of
our
buildings
that
have
either
been
utilized
for
child
care
or
team
space.
That's
not
being
used
or
space
that
will.
Hopefully
we
can
use
such
as
LaFarge
Library
when
we
build
this
new
Innovative
Library
over
fogleson,
what
better
space
than
utilizing
and
repurposing,
LaFarge
and
I.
B
Think
that's
where
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out,
because
it
helps
to
ensure
that
the
city
is
investing
its
resources.
That's
already
been
developed,
the
infrastructure.
That's
there.
All
we
need
to
do
is
begin
to
invest
in
the
resources
to
develop
the
infrastructure
of
the
support
system
needed
based
off
of
the
needs
of
the
area.
B
You
know
to
kind
of
get
back
to
the
example.
I
gave
of
LaFarge
I
mean
what
better
way
for
it
to
have
a
Midtown
area
teen
center.
We
know
we've
got
one
coming
online
here
and
soon
work
for
the
South
Side.
What
better
area
to
service
the
needs
of
that
you,
the
youth
in
that
immediate
surrounding
area,
so
thank
you
for
it's!
That's
critical
and
I
think
we
need
to
begin
as
a
city
start
thinking
with
that
lens
on
what
do
we
have?
What
can
we
repurpose?
B
B
You,
madam
chair,
so
looking
at
overall
Santa
Fe
when
we
take
a
look
at
need:
Child
Care
need
based
on
income.
Where
is
the
biggest
need
in
the
city
who.
C
C
Question
is
geographically
I
think
some
more
work
would
be
needed
to
identify
that
actually
I
mean
we
know
the
majority
of
our
young
children
live
on
the
south
side,
but
I
think
that
becomes
a
question
for
families
of
you
know.
Where
do
you
want
care?
Do
you
want
it
close
to
home?
Do
you
want
it
close
to
where
you
work?
Where
do
you
work
and
so
I
think
that's
an
area
where
some
more
work
with
families
could
be
done
to
really
help
identify
those
Geographic
needs.
B
Right
and
again,
this
question
based
upon
you
know:
I
know
everybody
works
most
everybody
works,
but
the
working
class
that
absolutely
needs
cases
for
them
for
children
to
be
when
they're
at
work
and
I
think
that's
the
biggest
Target
and
the
hardest.
I
know
for
myself,
when
my
kids
were
young.
That
was
the
most
difficult.
Where
do
our
kids
go?
B
D
B
Want
to
thank
you
guys
for
the
for
the
report,
and
you
know
whatever
we
can
do
to
to
help
support
this
going
forward.
Please
great
job.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
councilor
Chavez.
Thank
you
and
check
out
that
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
but
to
comment
on
counselor
Garcia's
or
extend
on
his
question.
I.
Think
a
good
point
of
reference
is
the
school
populations,
because
I
think
we're
seeing
School
populations
decrease
in
a
certain
area
of
town
and
we're
seeing
School
populations
increase
in
a
certain
area
of
town
and
I.
A
Think
that
is
very
clear,
and
that
trend
has
been
pretty
steady
right
where
we
see
a
lot
of
our
a
lot
of
East
Side
School
populations
decreasing
drastically
numbers
dropping
very
significantly
and
then
on
the
South
Side
certain
elementary
schools,
high
schools.
There's
a
population
is
just
booming
right.
The
school
just
keeps
we
need
more
and
more
and
more
have
you
guys
considered
those
populations
within
Elementary,
School
and
kind
of
assessing
the
need,
because
I
feel
like
that's
kind
of
the
trend
of
growth
and
that
data
exists
within
the
schools.
C
This
is
fairly
anecdotal,
but
I
will
say
that
the
Early
Childhood
director
for
the
school
district,
I
heard
say
in
a
meeting
recently
that
they
actually
have
spots
open
in
their
Pre-K
programs
on
there's
some
of
the
South
Side
schools,
but
our
waitlists
have
on
waitlist
at
schools
like
atalaya
I,
think
the
district
would
be
the
best
best
source
to
provide
more
information
on
that,
though,
because
I
don't
really
know
what
that
means
or
the
implications
for
that.
C
B
A
Thank
you
just
I
mean
just
to
follow
up
on
that
point
about
the
pre-ks
I
know
that,
just
in
a
lot
of
the
conversations
that
the
pre-ks
have
open
spots
because
the
hours
don't
work
so
again,
we're
running
into
this
ending
at
three
Monday
through
Thursday
11
30
on
Friday,
with
the
exception
of
I,
think
Aspen
might
be
the
only
school
that
provides
that
aftercare
yeah.
That
would
absolutely
be
part
of
that.
A
I
have
just
one
one
question,
and
one
thing
that
I've
really
struggled
with
is
we
kind
of
look
at
these
other
other
pieces
about
expanding
sites
is
the
reports
that
have
come
back
from
a
lot
of
providers
that
some
of
them
do
have
the
space
and
not
the
Staffing,
and
so
so
the
Staffing
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
of
ground.
Zero
is
what
I've
seen
is
that,
even
if
we
were
to
offer
up
City
spaces
work
with
the
school
district
to
utilize
their
space.
A
C
I
think
that
those
two
issues
go
hand
in
hand.
I
would
say
that
many
of
the
programs
are
operating
at
space
capacity.
There
are
a
few
that
are
not.
There
was
one.
That's
specifically
noted
that
that
was
due
to
Staffing
and
in
order
to
have
expansion,
most
of
them
will
need
additional
space.
In
addition
to
that,
Staffing,
but
I
would
agree.
Staffing
keeps
coming
up
and
it's
an
ongoing.
It's
an
ongoing
need
and
if
we're
going
to
expand
our
supply,
we're
going
to
need
to
further
expand
Staffing.
A
That's
the
hard
part,
but
the
reimbursement
levels
are
based
on
the
state's
minimum
wage
and
Santa
Fe
does
have
a
higher
minimum
wage,
and
so
the
the
providers
in
Santa
Fe
are
still
running
into
a
little
bit
of
a
funding
Gap
there,
because
they
are
not.
If
they're,
not
a
five-star
correct,
they
are
not
getting
the
reimbursement
levels
that
would
go
with
far
here,
as
they
might
in
some
other
locations.
C
Agree
that
that's
a
significant
issue
and
I
would
also
add
even
for
five
star
programs.
Their
reimbursement
rates
are
higher,
but
they
also
are
paying
their
stock
higher.
Often
higher
rates
often,
and
they
they
need
to
maintain
lower
ratios
and
so
I
would
say
across
the
board,
including
for
five
star
centers,
that
was
reimbursement
reads,
are
an
issue.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
sounds
like
that.
A
lot
of
those
different
puzzle
pieces
so
again,
I
really
do
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you've
put
into
this
and
painting
a
road
map
for
how
the
city
can
continue
to
move
forward.
Really,
we
would
like
to
see
Santa
Fe,
be
a
leader
in
this
area.
I
will
say,
as
someone
who's
really
been
steeped
in
this
work
for
the
last
I
don't
know
a
year
or
so
Julie.
A
The
partners
that
we
have
in
our
community
are
really
phenomenal,
and
so
we
are
so
fortunate
with
with
growing
up
New
Mexico
with
the
Early
Childhood
steering
committee
with
our
state
representatives.
We
we
really
are
lucky
that
we
have
a
lot
of
the
players.
I
mean
the
Chamber
of
Commerce.
A
That's
it's
really
been
incredible
to
watch
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
start
to
take
this
on
and
they
have
been
having
meetings
with
different
businesses
to
talk
about
how
they
can
support
employers
and
creating
employer-based
child
care
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
different
challenges.
You
know
when
we
talk
about
space
that
that
actually
becomes
a
really
interesting
conversation,
because
it's
not
as
simple
as
we
have
an
empty
building.
A
There
are
requirements
for
how
much
natural
light
per
classroom
per
asset
and
that
the
natural
light
can't
be
coming
from
a
different
room
and
filtering
it.
I
mean
it's
really
making
sure
that
there
is
a
quality
space
for
children,
safe,
playgrounds,
I
think
I
recently
got
a
quote
about
how
much
a
playground
cost
for
people
to
be
able
to
stand
up,
that's
appropriate,
so
how
we
support
those
Capital
costs.
I
think
is
a
really
interesting,
an
interesting
Avenue
that
that,
as
you
mentioned,
the
state
isn't
playing
it
at
the
moment.
A
So
there's
some
opportunities
for
us
to
continue
to
explore.
So
again.
Thank
you.
So
much
and
and
I
look
forward
to
Julie.
We
will
reschedule
our
meeting
and
continuing
to
have
these
conversations.
Thank
you.
D
A
Up
and
we
are
moving
on
to
consent-
item
Q
This
is
a
resolution,
updating
the
terms
of
approval
included
in
resolution
numbers
numbers,
20,
20-24
and
2022-9
to
change
the
permitted
location
of
banners
commemorating
Hometown.
Here's
from
the
Cerritos
Road
Corridor
to
the
railyard
Guadalupe
Street
in
Greater
downtown
area
is
John
Blair
available.
A
B
Sure
I
actually
had
thought.
I
was
pulling
a
different
item,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
comments.
I,
don't
know
if
counselor
Garcia
was
and
they're
the
same
assumption
if
he
had
count
questions
for
this.
But
my
my
comments
were
just
that
this
is
still
a
work
in
progress.
We're
still
looking
at
how
we
can
continue
to
work
to
meet
the
needs
to
where
we
can
have
all
350.
B
But
with
that
being
said,
just
want
to
kind
of
give
that
public
update
in
regards
to
how
we're
working
to
try
to
accommodate
all
the
banners
being
up
at
one
time.
I
do
want
to
reiterate
that
this
is
an
interim
solution,
we're
working
towards
the
long-term
solution
as
well
to
figure
out
if
the
original
location
would
work
or
if
we
have
to
find
a
brand
new
location
for
these
banners,
but
it's
it's
imperative
and
we're
all
working
towards
the
solution
to
get
them
up
this
year.
So
with
that.
B
I
do
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
that
have
co-sponsored
this
resolution
for
us
tonight
and
with
that,
no
no
other
further
comments
or
questions
Madam
chair
thank.
A
You
so
much
councilor
Garcia
I
apologize,
Mr
Blair!
Thank
you
so
much
for
providing
that
update
and
clarification
on
on
really
what
what
this
one
is
and
and
some
of
the
plans
moving
forward.
So
councilor
Lee
Garcia.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I.
I,
just
really
wanted
to
add
my
name
to
sponsorship.
If
you
know
and
give
any
help
that
I
that
I'm,
you
know
that
I
cannot
offer
so
put
my
name
on
the
on
the
resolution
as
well.
That's
all
I
really
wanted.
B
A
A
D
Is
yours,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
do
the
next
iteration
of
procedural
rules
to
clarify
our
structures
for
our
extending
committees
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
just
ask
just
some
clarifying
questions
about
some
of
the
reasonings
behind
just
a
few
of
the
sections
and
Jesse.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
doing
the
red
line,
I
think
it
was
helpful
to
see
you
what
was
taken
out,
which
was
quite
a
bit
and
I
and
I
guess.
D
The
question
is
to
I'll
throw
him
a
cat
that
there's
a
lot
of
other
procedural
stuff
related
to
other
committees
that
you
and
I
have
worked
on
and
I'm
hoping
we'll
get
to
loop
back
into
that,
and
is
that
why
that
was
all
removed
so
that
that
will
then
be
another
process
to
cover
those
procedures
that.
A
Is
correct,
so
these
procedure
rules
only
apply
to
the
three
city
council
standing
committees.
All
of
that
other
conversation
that
we
were
having
about
the
more
resident
committees,
The
Advisory
committees-
that
is
a
kind
of
a
larger
fish
to
fry.
At
this
point,
with
a
few
more
conversations
and
so
yeah.
That
is,
that
is
exactly
correct.
Why
so
much
was
taken
out
because
it
doesn't
apply
to
the
city,
council,
standing
committees.
D
Okay,
that's
helpful
and
then
me
scroll
down
here,
so
we
we
changed.
The
name
to
the
committee
chair
to
presiding
officer
is
that
is
that
a
term
that
is
used
in
other
municipalities.
E
E
D
I,
remember
it
being
in
those
procedural
rules
and
I
was
just
curious
if
it
was
just
a
term
we
used
in
general
I've,
never
I
mean
before
we
did
a
proceed
before
we
did.
The
procedural
rules
for
the
governing
body
is
it
just
is
that
was
just
a
term
that
seemed
to
capture,
be
all
and
kept
capture,
all
kind
of
aspects
of
taking
a
leadership
role
in
whether
you
cover
for
the
chair
or
other
okay
and
then
based
on
that
committee
chair.
D
A
So
I
think
so
our
scenario
was,
you
know
if
something
terrible
happened
and
right
back
I'm,
not
gonna,
even
say
terrible
things
I
had
enough
of
that
today,
but
that,
yes,
that
there
would
be
a
vote.
That
would
happen
that
the
committee
would
basically
appoint
a
chair
via
a
vote.
We
could
clarify
that
if
we,
if
we
need
to,
we
can
make
that
Amendment.
Well,
I
guess.
D
I
I
our
meetings
are
long
enough
and
having
to
do
another
vote
like
hey,
let's
make
a
vote
on
a
chair.
Why
don't
we
just
decide
between
the
whoever's
there,
which
will
be
four
of
us
right
if
we
could
just
decide
which
is
normally
what
we
do?
It's
very
informal,
it's
like
or
or
the
chair
will
just
call
on
somebody
and
say:
hey:
can
you
cover
for
me
which
I'm
fine
with
that
too
I
don't
know
I
just
I
think
we're
adding
like
another
bureaucratic
step
that
I'm
just
like.
D
Do
we
have
to
elect
the
member?
Can
we
just
decide
between
the
four.
A
Of
us
or
I
think
we
were
going
with
the
a
lot
of
times
when
we
were
looking
at
these
rules.
We
were
trying
to
take
out
the
current
individuals
that
are
sitting
here
so
in
the
event
that
maybe
there
is
a
committee
where
there
would
be
I,
don't
know
where
there's
not
quite
that
agreement
that
could
happen.
You
know
I
feel
like
if
I
were
gone
and
wasn't
able
to
have
somebody
cover.
A
The
four
of
you
would
be
able
to
amicably
agree
and
there
wouldn't
be
kind
of
this
Challenge
and
so
to
set
that
process
in
a
situation
where
maybe
that
wouldn't
necessarily
occur
based
on
who
the
numbers
are,
as
it
does
change
so.
D
Maybe
we
make
it
just
like:
may
elect
a
member
or
I,
don't
know
I
guess
I
just
feel
like.
Like
you
just
gave
different
scenarios.
Some
committees
may
have
a
different
way
of
interacting
in
Thanos,
but
I,
don't
know
I'm
just
trying
to
think
of
simplifying
things,
because
it's
already
a
long
meeting
process
and.
A
A
You
know
somebody
were
to
be
on
vacation,
they
would
just
designate
someone.
So
this
is
a
pretty.
We
don't
expect
this
to
occur,
but
just
in
the
scenario
that
the
chair
was
not
able
to
designate
somebody,
okay,
that
is
where
that
election
would
happen.
I
think
that
the
likelihood
of
that
occurring
is.
D
Has
happened
in
that
scenario.
Thank
you.
I
had
to
clarify
that
in
my
brain
so
and
then
just
curious,
because
this
is
hard
for
some
of
us
that
work
full
time,
although
we
do
read
our
packets
ahead
of
time.
The
four
hour
prior
to
let
staff
know
that.
There's
an
item
that
we're
gonna
We
intend
to
pull.
D
I
was
thinking
life
four,
not
two
for
those
that,
like
by
three,
we
will
know
for
sure
just
accommodate
working
folks
or
things
that
change
you
know.
Sometimes
we
change
like
something
new
information
and
we're
like
oh
yeah,
I,
think
I
want
to
pull
that
now.
So
that's
what
worries
me
like
new
information,
those
of
us
that
are
working
trying
to
get
from
one
job
to
the
next
and
for
up
four
hours
prior
to
the
meeting.
May
not
maybe
I,
don't
know
I
just
feel
like
it's
too.
D
It's
a
long
time
versus
two
hours,
I
think
of
sufficient
time
to
staff
to
know
that
they're
going
to
be
having
to
pull
something
or
that
they'll
have
to
be
there
for
the
meeting.
So
I'm
just
curious.
Colleagues,
if
you
have
opinions
about
it
because
for
me
I'm
like
horizontal,
let
you
all
know
by
one
o'clock
or
something
so.
E
Madam,
chair
counselor
Goodale,
that
was
we're
essentially
saying,
what's
in
the
governing
body,
procedural
rules
for
governing
body
meetings,
which
is
set
at
that
four
hour
limit.
That's
you
know
designed
to
give
staff
enough
time
to
know
whether
they
need
to
you
know
come
from
the
south
side
down
here
to
attend
a
meeting.
You
can
certainly
propose
an
amendment
to
change
it,
but
the
four
hours
did
come
from
the
governing
body
and
procedure
rules,
so
we're
just
we're
being
consistent.
D
Yeah
I
guess
I
understand
it
for
governing
body,
I
guess
for
committees
we're
on
so
many
committees
that
I'm,
like
oh
okay,
every
time
I'm
gonna
have
to
be
like
one
o'clock.
I
have
to
tell
somebody
that
I'm
gonna
pull
something
which
by
usually
I
do
know,
and
it
does
say
that
this
isn't
required,
but
it
says
that
staff
may
not
be
able
to
be
available.
A
I,
don't
believe
that
we
were
attached
to
the
number
of
hours.
It
was
simply
just
to
be
able
to
give
staff
that
heads
up,
and
so
we
don't
have
people
waiting
around
or
similar
today,
where
they
didn't
expect
to
be
there
and
so
I,
don't
think
we
were
attached
to
a
number
of
hours.
We
were
simply
just
being
consistent
with
governing.
D
D
Let's
see
I
know
this
was
in
the
language
and
it
was
tweaked
just
a
little
bit,
but
there's
duties
and
powers
of
the
presiding
officer
and
they
list
them
and
number
four
says:
represent
the
council
Committee
in
public
and
to
speak
and
act
on
behalf
of
the
council
committee
and
I
was
trying
to
think
of
an
example
when
that
occurs,
where
they
act.
On
behalf
of
the
council
committee,
give
us
an
example:
Jesse
Madam.
E
Chair
councilman
I,
don't
I
can't
think
of
a
time
that
chair
has
acted
on
behalf
of
the
committee.
I
know
that
they
have
spoken
on
behalf
of
the
committee
here
in
a
governing
body
meeting
the
chair
will
say:
you
know,
act
quality
of
life.
We
did
X
Y
and
Z
so
that
that's
what
this
would
represent.
E
D
D
Was
trying
to
think
of
the
speak?
One
I
understood
that
one
like
if
it's
is
that
a
governing
body
or
in
budget
hearings,
you
know
yeah.
The
chair
would
speak
about
on
behalf
of
what
occurred
in
the
council,
but
the
act
on
I
was
like
I.
Don't
I,
don't
know
that
one.
So
if
we
could,
if
we
don't
have
an
example,
maybe
we
should
just
take
it
out
because
I
think
that
was
original
language,
so
just
like
in
that
so
debate
and
voting
on
a
this.
D
The
presiding
officer
shall
allow
the
sponsor
of
the
legislation
to
the
opportunity
to
make
a
motion
speak
first
on
the
item.
So
what?
If
the
sponsor
is
not
on
that
specific
committee
but
they're
there
to
speak
about
their
item
so
do
they
get
to?
Are
they
allowed
to
speak
the
opportunity
not
to
make
a
motion
but
to
speak?
First
on
the
item.
E
Madam
chair
councilman:
are
you
talking
about
if
the
sponsor
is
there,
but
is
not
a
member
of
the
community
exactly
yes,
I
I
think
that
they
would
be
allowed
to
speak,
but
not
make
a
motion
since
they're
not
do.
D
We
need
to
I
guess
I'm
wondering
if
we
need
language
to
state
that
you
know
it's
not
for
debate
though,
but
so
I,
don't
I,
guess
I,
don't
know
if
it
falls
under
this,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
like
sponsor
they'd,
be
the
first
to
talk
about
an
item
even
though
they're
not
on
that
committee.
Would
they
be
allowed
to
speak
first.
A
I
believe
that
it's
really
referring
to
people
that
are
members
of
the
committee,
so
a
sponsor,
could
be
there
to
respond
to
questions
or
if
you
know
the
item
is
pulled
and
you
could
give
the
opportunity,
would
you
like
to
speak
to
this
item
before
questions
are
asked?
Obviously
they
cannot
act
so
we
could.
We
could
put
in
some
clarifying
language
around
that
they,
they
cannot
move
the
item
and
they
cannot.
You
know
they
can't
make
any
motions
to
right
to
any
piece
of
it.
A
You
know
we
ran
into
the
same
conversation
with
amendments
as
well
that
even
if
a
sponsor
of
amendment
is
at
the
committee,
they
cannot
move
the
amendment
themselves.
It
has
to
be
a
member
of
the
committee
who's
actually
making
motions.
D
A
Would
be
at
the
prerogative
of
the
chair,
so
the
chair
does
have
the
option
to
allow
people.
You
know
we
frequently
do
it
as
a
as
a
governing
body.
It
is
kind
of
one
of
those
things
that's
in
practice,
but
that
the
chair
can
essentially
allow
members
who
are
not
on
the
committee
if
they
would
like
to
ask
a
question
or
not,
or
they
can
not
allow
it
based
on
you
know
if
the
meetings
go
extremely
long
and
say
we're
done
we're
going
to
limit
it
to
members
of
the
committee.
A
So
if
that
option
is
there,
although
frequently
with
us,
we
do
allow
that
that
privilege
to
other
members
of
the
governing
body
who
are
not
on
the
committee
I
think.
D
E
Madam,
chair,
councilman,
I'd
I'd,
just
point
you
to
the
budget
hearings
where
everyone
is
allowed
to
come
to
those
Finance
meetings
to
discuss
the
budget,
but
it's
only
the
finance
committee
who
actually
votes
to
move
those
on
to
the
governing
body.
So
that's
a
a
common
example
of
where
there
are.
You
know
the
whole
governing
body.
Is
there
to
ask
questions
and
talk
about
it,
but
it's
only
the
five
members
of
the
committee
that
actually
vote
on
it.
It's
not
a
common
occurrence
in
other
meetings,.
A
E
Know
there
have
been
examples
where
counselors
have.
E
D
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
say
that
explicitly
and
it
may
not
even
be
under
debate
debate
in
voting
I.
Don't
think
it
would
be
on
that
section,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
people
that
are
not
part
of
a
committee
know
that
they
can
speak
on
their
item
if
they're
a
sponsor
and
also
they
can
be
there
in
attendance-
and
you
know
I
do
agree.
It
depends
on
the
situation
about
asking
questions
we
usually
do
so
and
where
would
that
go
really
in?
This
section?
Is.
D
I'd
like
to
under
know
that
so
that
people
know
especially
if
they're
new,
they
don't
know
that
that's
like
a
prerogative
of
the
chair
or
they
don't
know,
that's
possible,
so
I
think
if
you
could
just
let
me
know
if
it's
needed,
we
don't
have
a
section
called
prerogative
of
the
chair,
but
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
if
especially,
if
we're
sponsoring
item,
we
can
be
able
to
have
that
space
at
the
beginning
and
I
think
that's
it.
D
Those
are
all
the
questions.
I
have
I
mean
ultimately,
I
think
this
is
helpful
and
clear
and
that
we
have
you
know
it's
it's
a
good.
The
structure
is
good
and
that
we
have.
You
know,
definitions
and
things
that
we
need,
and
just
some
of
these
nuances
I
just
want
to
clarify
before
we
get
to
the
next.
Let's
see,
when
does
this
go
to
public
works
and
then
Finance,
so
maybe
Jesse
you
could.
Let
me
know
what
you
find
out.
E
Madam,
chair
counselors
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
did
have
a
late
Amendment
to
the
resolution.
So
if
you
refresh
your
screens
it'll
pop
up,
that
was
it
my
suggestion
that
we
change
how
the
let
me
see
what
page
it's
on.
E
Page
four
of
the
the
rules
where
it
talks
about
the
agenda
I.
We
wanted
to
put
a
take
out
approval
of
minutes
from
a
section
and
put
it
and
and
just
have
it
under
consent
like
we
do
with
the
governing
body.
So
that's
a
change
and
then
also
we
added
items
about
which
the
presiding
officer
does
not
anticipate
discussion
to
be
under
consent.
That
gives
the
chair
a
little
more
leeway
to
put
things
on
discussion
that
they
think
might
be
pulled
anyways,
because
right
now,
very
there's.
No
very
few
items
go
on
discussion.
E
It's
for
the
most
part,
it's
generally
empty.
Unless
there's
some
specific
reason.
It's
going
there
also
Matters
from
staff
Matters
from
the
committee
and
Matters
from
the
chair,
we're
not
in
the
original
procedure
rules
and
that
does
are
on
the
agendas
for
the
three
Council
committees.
So
we
added
that
as
well.
E
The
only
substantive
changes
is
really
is
putting
approval
of
the
minutes
under
consent,
as
approved
as
opposed
to
its
own
section
item
would
like
you
did
this
evening,
where
you
approved
the
minutes
from
the
previous
meeting
and
now
would.
A
A
And
I'm,
really
just
making
more
clear
that
items
about
which
the
presiding
officer
does
not
anticipate
discussion
can
go
on
to
discussion.
Those
the
chair
already
does
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
So
we
could.
All
the
chair
already
could
arrange
and
put
something
on
a
discussion.
This
just
spells
it
out
to
make
it
clear
that
that
is
a
possibility.
D
A
D
B
Sure
I
mean
I,
don't
understand
the
need
for
F2
and
G,
because
in
committee
all
we've
got
is
our
consent.
We
don't
have
discussion
topics
and
if
we
need
to
discuss
a
topic,
it's
as
easy
as
somebody
pulling
it
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
add
an
additional
agenda
item
to
ensure
that
an
item
gets
discussed
so
I'm
I'm
unclear.
A
B
A
I
will
just
say
that
that
we
actually
do
have
action
items
discussion
already
on
the
agenda.
We
just
frequently
we
don't
frequently
use
it,
but
it
does
already
show
up
on
the
agenda.
But
I
I
have
no
qualms
with
this
being
considered
at
another
committee,
as
it
did
show
up
quite
late
in
the
packet.
B
And
I
guess
Madam,
chair,
I
got
one
thing:
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
that
the
prime
gov
agenda
is
completely
different
from
the
public
version
portal
because
for
many
times
I,
because
I
look
at
the
public
version
and
many
times
I
see
the
chair
say
well
executive
session,
that's
not
on
the
public
version
of
the
agenda,
and
so
one
thing
we
need
to
ensure
that
is
consistent
is
both
versions
of
the
agendas
are
the
same
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
that's
not
consistent
because
again
on
the
public
version,
there's
not
the
action
items,
portion
or
executive
session
that
I've
seen
in
the
past,
but
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
also
ensure.