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B
C
B
Council
travis
yeah,
I
propose,
since
we
have
counselor
romero
wirth
here,
I
propose
moving
the
shop
shopping,
cart
ordinance
up
so
that
she
could
talk
to
that.
While.
A
D
A
E
A
C
A
C
A
Any
opposed
okay,
no
presentations
today,
so
moving
on
to
items
pulled
off
the
consent
agenda.
We
have
b
and
c,
and
we
are
moving
straight
to
c
c-
is
a
consideration
of
a
bill
sponsored
by
council,
romero
worth
mayor
weber
and
councillor
chavez.
It's
it
is.
It
is
an
ordinance
repealing.
Am
I
reading
the
right
thing?
A
Yep
section
10-11
of
santa
fe
city
code
1987,
creating
a
new
section
10-11
to
establish
an
ordinance
relating
to
shopping
carts,
incentivizing
retail
establishments
to
ensure
their
shopping
carts
remain
on
their
property,
imposing
a
fee
for
shopping,
cart,
return
and
establishing
an
effective
date.
Madam
clerk
is
here
as
well
as
jessie
gian
to
speak
to
this
item.
F
Thank
you
counselor,
and
I
think
our
city
clerk
has
a
presentation
correct.
F
I
think
so
I
just
want
the
presentation,
because
I
think
it's
helpful
in
outlining
the
problem
that
we're
trying
to
solve.
F
I
will
say
that
we
had
a
very
good
meeting
earlier
this
week
with
many
retailers
and
including
the
retail
association,
and
I
think
you
know
we're
talking
about
how
to
solve
this
problem,
which
is
the
ultimate
goal
here.
We
don't
want
to
be
in
the
business
of
retrieving
grocery
carts
and
returning
them
to
the
retail
stores.
We
would
like
the
retail
stores
to
take
over
that
responsibility,
and
so
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful.
F
G
G
G
The
cost
of
the
pilot
project
retrieval
and
data
is
at
about
50
000
right
now.
That's
not
including
the
20
000
po
that
we
just
opened
to
kind
of
bridge
us
through
the
completion
of
the
ordinance,
and
through
this
we
basically
developed
an
app
in
our
arcgis
to
track
the
locations
of
the
cart,
that's
retrieved
and
then
the
stores
that
the
carts
were
retrieved,
the
store
that
the
carts
were
from.
G
So
I
will
note
that
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
really
is
so
that
stores
have
the
flexibility
to
implement
any
type
of
preventative
measure
that
they
see
fit,
we're
not
dictating
whether
they
need
blocks
or
bars
or
geo-fencing,
or
anything
like
that.
The
request
is
to
label
each
cart
with
the
store
name
and
identification
information
so
that
if
the
carts
are
located
on
sidewalk
streets
or
property,
they
can
contact
a
store
for
them
to
come,
be
retrieved.
G
Of
course,
we
are
proposing
that
there's
only
a
charge
for
carts
retrieved
through
this
process,
if
just
for
owning
shopping
carts.
Basically,
you
don't
have
to
pay
us
a
charge
and
the
goal
is
to
have
no
shopping
carts
on
our
streets,
sidewalks
or
arroyos,
and
really
the
end
goal
is
to
have
no
and
no
fees
imposed
at
all,
because
the
city
is
really
not
in
the
business
of
shopping.
Cart,
retrieval.
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that,
because
I
think
there
was
some
confusion.
G
Our
contractor
was
returning
them,
so
I
do
just
want
to
note
that,
and
that
will
come
up
a
little
bit
later
in
a
different
piece,
but
basically
our
cards
collected
by
mon
here's,
a
quick
breakdown.
If
you
all
want
more
details,
please
let
me
know,
but
basically,
some
months.
Of
course,
in
our
peak
month
we
were
at
4
42
and
4
49,
and
then
there's
been
a
few
months
where
we've
dropped
down
a
little
bit
from
that
and
in
june
we
had
58.
G
G
This
was
a
quick
map
that
we
ran
just
to
show
where
the
shopping
carts
are
kind
of
focused,
which,
if
you
can,
maybe
I
can,
if
you
zoom
in
there
is
some
location,
I
guess
there's
proximity
to
some
of
the
big
box
stores,
basically
and
where
we're
seeing
the
shopping
carts,
but
then
there's
a
small
chart
breakdown
of
basically
every
store
that
has
shopping
carts
that
we've
collected,
so
it
ranges
from
cvs
to
dollar
general
home
depot
hobby
lobby
and
again
I
I'm
happy
to
share
any
of
those
details,
and
then
I
just
did
a
quick
zoom
in
so
that
you
could
see
kind
of
the
stars
where
the
bigger
box
stores
are
located.
G
This
is
just
some
additional
information
about
the
administrative
fee
again,
emphasizing
that
we're
not
really
in
the
business
of
shopping,
cart,
retrieval,
and
that
was
never
the
intent
of
the
ordinance
really.
We
were
in
the
business
of
data
collection
and
constituent
issue
resolution.
G
Oh,
we
don't
mind
paying
25
an
hour
for
you
guys
to
take
care
of
it,
but
again
we're
trying
to
get
out
of
the
business
of
shopping,
cart,
collection
and
then
emphasizing
that
our
current
contract
really
only
focuses
on
the
retrieval
and
the
data
right
now
and
then
we
did
run
a
quick
calculation
which,
if
there
was
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollar
administrative
fee
needed,
it
would
be
to
incentivize
the
business
to
address
directly
but
also
to
cover
an
entire
operation,
because
if
we
do
go
into
the
business
of
shopping,
cart,
retrieval,
that's
not
something
that
our
staff
now
can
currently
support
both
at
the
administrative
level,
but
also
at
the
collection
level.
G
It's
not
something
that
parks
could
absorb
or
streets,
because
we
don't
have
the
staffing,
so
we
essentially
would
have
to
either
keep
a
contractor
on
at
a
higher
rate,
because
then
we
would
be
doing
sanitation.
We
would
be
doing
invoicing
calling
businesses
storing
the
carts,
because
we'd
have
to
store
them
until
someone
came
to
pick
them
up.
So
I
did
just
want
to
kind
of
break
that
out
a
little
bit
differently
so
that
you
could
see
why
the
basically
the
cost
in
the
organs
was
set,
where
it
was
it's
not
set
in
stone.
G
But
this
was
just
based
loosely
on
figures
that
would
basically
equate
to
an
fte
at
the
very
least
one
or
two
or
a
more
robust
contract
again,
that
would
include
collecting,
storing,
sanitizing
and
then
coordinating
directly
with
businesses
both
for
retrieval
and
then
for
payment.
So
that
is
where
I'm
at,
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
stand
for
any
question
and.
F
If
I
could
just
add
madam
chair
a
couple
points,
because
I
think
there's
been
some
misinformation
in
the
media
that
I'd
love
to
clarify
if
you'll
allow.
Yes,
I
go
right
ahead.
So
a
couple
things
this
ordinance
specifically
has
language
in
it.
That
says
this
doesn't
preclude
us
from
doing
other
things
like
filing
criminal
charges
for
people
who
take
them.
If
we
can
prove
that
they
are
the
ones
that
took
them,
so
that
is
still
something
the
city
can
do.
F
F
It
could
be
that
they
found
it
abandoned
in
an
arroyo
and
they
just
picked
it
up.
So
you
know
there's
a
burden
of
proof
that
has
to
be
satisfied
and
we
can
certainly
go
after
people
who
take
them.
What
we
are
trying
to
do
is
reduce
the
opportunity
for
them
to
be
taken
bought
from
the
retail
shops
to
begin
with,
and
we're
asking
that
retailers
help
us
because
again
we
don't
want
to
be
in
this
business.
F
We
did
have
it
confirmed
by
the
retail
association
of
new
mexico
that
these
shopping
carts,
the
value
is
about
300,
a
cart,
and
so
what
we're
saying
is
if
we
pick
them
up,
we
and
you
and
the
retailer-
wants
the
cart
back
and
we
heard
in
our
meeting
this
week
that
they
do
want
the
cart
back,
that
we
would
then
charge
150
and
that,
as
christine
has
outlined.
F
If
they
don't
want
the
cart
back,
we
can
put
it
in
the
landfill.
That's
fine
and
we
won't
charge
for
anything.
But
if
you
want
the
cart
back,
then
we
would
charge.
150
is
what's
currently
proposed
in
the
ordinance
and
again
we
don't
want
to
be
in
this
business.
We
want,
we
don't
want
to
be
collecting
shopping
carts.
F
So
I'd
love
for
us
to
get
to
a
point
and
again
we
did
have
a
good
meeting
and
I
think
retailers
are
taking
some
steps
and
hopefully
we
can
resolve
the
problem,
so
we
don't
have
to
be
in
the
business
and
and
the
the
rate
was
set
at
that
level
again
to
cover
the
cost
of
what
we're
going
to
have
to
be
doing,
which
I
think
christine
outlined.
I
mean
we're.
Gonna
have
to
collect
them,
we're
gonna
have
to
store
them.
We're
gonna
have
to
sanitize
them.
F
We're
gonna
have
to
figure
out
who
they
belong
to
we're
gonna
have
to
invoice
if
we
return
them,
and
so
that
is
quite
quite
a
burden
on
the
city
and
again,
that's
not
what
I
want
to
be
doing
so
we
are
having.
We
did
have
a
good
meeting
with
retailers
about
the
problem.
I
think
they
do
want
to
help
us
solve
it
and,
let's
see,
is
there
anything
else?
I
wanted
to
add
about
that.
F
I
would
add
we
you
walmart
is
the
number
one
retailer
with
the
most
amount
of
carts
that
we
are
collecting.
I
want
to
say
that
they
immediately
have
identified
ways
to
address
their
carts
and,
in
fact,
have
have
gone
like
some
of
these
other
retailers
to
hire
somebody
to
collect
the
carts.
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
they
have
been
really
on
top
of
being
responsive
and
they're,
not
the
only
ones.
F
F
I
I
suggested
to
the
retailers
that
maybe
it
would
be
a
good
idea
if,
rather
than
each
retailer
hiring
their
own
retrieval
con
contractor,
maybe
they
should
pool
their
efforts
and
do
this
as
a
collective
matter,
but
there's
some
other
things
that
they
can
do
and
they
are
starting
to
work
on
this.
So
I
again
we're
trying
to
just
solve
the
problem,
and
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
for
christine
to
outline
how
many
shopping
carts
we're
dealing
with.
F
It
is
the
number
one
crm
complaint
from
constituents
calling
it
is
not
the
business
we're
in.
We
want
to
be
doing
things
like
cutting
weeds
and
filling
potholes,
not
collecting
shopping
carts.
So
I
just
thank
you
for
letting
me
make
those
comments
and
christine
you
had
something
else.
I.
G
Did
just
made
I'm
sure
if
I
could
speak
to
one
more
point,
and
it
is
that
we
are
really
focused
on
abandoned
shopping
carts.
That
is
a
point.
That's
come
up.
We
don't
currently
collect
carts
that
have
possessions
in
them
or
belongings,
so
we're
not
in
that
business,
and
I
know
that
some
of
our
stores
also
expressed
concern
about
maybe
approaching
people
that
had
their
belongings
in
the
carts.
We
don't
currently
collect
carts
that
have
belongings,
we're
very
sensitive
to
that.
We're
only
looking
at
shopping
carts
that
are
abandoned.
A
Christine,
could
you
please
send
that
presentation
over
to
the
committee
as
well
as
get
it
on
prime
gov,
so
that
the
public
who
would
like
to
review
it
would
have
the
opportunity
to
as
well
and
counselor
travis.
I
will
send
it
back
to
you.
F
One
other
thing
I
would
appreciate
it.
I
guess:
ask
the
committee,
if
you
might
postpone
this
item
to
your
next
quality
of
life
committee
meeting,
just
to
give
us
some
more
time
to
continue
our
conversations.
We
did
get
a
letter
today.
I
think
you
all
were
copied
on
it.
F
In
response
to
our
meeting
earlier,
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
read
it
other
than
very
quickly,
and
I
would
like
the
opportunity
to
continue
working
with
the
retailers
around
this
issue
and,
as
I've
said,
they
have
been
responsive
and
they
are,
I
think,
interested
in
helping
us
get
out
of
this
business.
So
if
we
could
postpone
this
to
your
next
meeting
before
taking
action
on,
it
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
Counselor.
A
A
Additional
questions
or
discussions
councilman
vitoria.
Thank
you,
madam.
D
Chair
and
thanks
for
staff
for
putting
the
data
together,
I
think
when
the
pilot
project
came
about,
we
all
were
curious
about
what
that
would
look
like,
and
I
think
it
was
helpful
to
see
the
extent
of
the
problem
which
I
personally
don't
want
to
keep
getting
emails
about.
That
I
shouldn't
come
to
counselors
anyway,
complaints
about
shopping
carts.
D
We
have
way
bigger
issues
to
deal
with
right
now,
so
that's
been,
I
think,
hard
and
then
like
shuffling
it
off
to
staff
for
them
to
kind
of
deal
with,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
data
collection
and
I
guess
I
was
just
wondering
if
the
sponsors
had
looked
at
this
approach
well
for
one
had
looked
at
what
other
places
had
been
doing
to
solve
this
problem,
because
I
know
it's
happening
across
the
country
and
if
there
was
other
approaches
that
was
more
of
a
carrot,
approach
versus
the
stick
approach
to
solve
the
problem.
F
Yeah,
so
I
completely
agree
with
you
that
we
would
love
it
if
people
in
this
kind
of
a
public
service
announcement,
please,
if
you
see
a
shopping,
cart
and
you
can
tell
who
it
belongs,
to
call
the
store,
don't
call
the
city,
because
now
I
think
we're
seeing
that
there's
more
awareness
and
hopefully
the
stores
will
be
quicker
at
picking
them
up.
F
We
do
get
a,
as
has
been
said,
we
do
get
a
lot
of
complaints
and
they,
as
christine
said
in
our
meeting
this
week,
they
do
multiply
so
you
know
somebody
drives
down
the
street,
they
see
a
shopping
cart,
they
call.
They
may
not
be
the
only
one
who
calls
on
that.
One
shopping!
Cart!
If
we
don't
pick
it
up
fast
enough,
they
called
and
they
come
back
on
their
way
home
and
it's
still
there.
F
They
call
us
again
and
so
again
we
we
have
been
taking
a
lot
of
calls
a
lot
of
staff
time
on
this.
So
that's
part
of
the
problem
in
terms
of
carrot
and
stick
again,
I
don't
see
this
as
a
stick.
We
are
only
going
to
charge
the
fee
if
the
retailer
would
like
the
cart
back.
It
is
set
below
what
they
are
worth.
They
have
to
replace
them
one
way
or
another.
F
They
either
pay
the
300
that
they're
worth
on
them
to
get
them
new
or
they
pay
us
150,
and
that
covers
our
cost
of
collecting,
storing,
sanitizing
and
invoicing
for
them.
So
I
don't
see
this
as
punitive,
I
would
say.
Also
we
have
done.
Research
and
other
cities
do
charge
for
shopping,
cart,
retrieval
and
returning,
so
we're
not
charging
the
stores,
I
mean
they
may
be
damaged
and
they
may
not
be
of
any
use
to
the
store,
in
which
case
we'll
put
them
in
the
landfill.
F
But
if
you
want
them
back,
we
do
need
to
cover
our
costs.
So
we
can
talk
about
the
150
but
again
we'd
like
to
get
out
of
this
business
altogether,
and
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
retailers
can
do.
They
are
starting
to
do,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
to
a
place
where
we
don't
have
this
problem
anymore.
F
D
D
F
Yeah-
and
I
have
let's
see-
I
just
pulled
up
the
bell:
retriever.
F
So
any
shopping
cart
so
we're
on
pages
three
and
four
line
25
and
lines.
One
and
two
on
the
fourth
page.
Any
shopping,
cart
that
is
retrieved
by
the
city
or
contractor
of
the
city.
Pursuant
to
this
section
shall
be
returned
to
the
re
retail
establishment,
upon
payment
of
an
administrative
fee
of
one
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
So
if
they
don't
want
it
there
we're
not
going
to
charge
it,
and
then
I
I
just
as
long
as
we're
there.
The
next
section
on
lines
on
page
four
lines:
three
through
five.
F
Nothing
in
this
section
shall
prevent
the
city
from
pursuing
other
applicable
legal
remedies
to
address
violations
of
this
section.
So
you
know
again.
I
think
that
sort
of
is
the
catch-all
or
if,
if
a
retail
store,
has
video
footage
of
somebody
taking
the
cart
and
wants
to
file
criminal
charges
and
can
identify
the
person
and
has
the
evidence
that
the
person
has
taken
the
cart.
We
can
file
criminal
charges.
It's
not
precluded,
but
I
don't
think
it
solves
the
problem.
D
Yeah,
I
think
the
the
fact
that
the
retailer
can
file
the
criminal
charges,
because
it
is
technically
their
property
really
makes
more
sense
to
me
versus
the
city,
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
fit
into
the
picture
of
criminal
charges
so
that
that
puts
the
onus
on
them
too.
I
think
that
is
important
piece.
Did
you
find
any
other
models
that
were
working
across
the
country
for
this
issue?
F
I
mean
there
are
other
cities
that
charge
us.
You
know
a
fee
to
have
carts
returned
and
is
it
similar
to
what
we're
thinking?
I
think
ours
is
a
little
higher
generally
speaking,
but
again,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
cover
the
cover,
our
costs,
and
I
don't
know
christine.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
G
Sure
I
can
add
a
little
bit
more
contacts,
madam
chair
councilwoman,
via
rail.
There
are
other
ordinances
that
are
charging
cards
at
similar
price
points.
Actually,
we
are
a
little
bit
high.
I
think,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
more
flexible
on
is
that
other
ordinances
actually
had
a
certain
number
of
preventative
measures
and
outlined
what
they
were,
so
they
dictated
that
it
was
like
a
security
guard
or
a
staff
person.
G
They
actually
required
the
locking
of
shopping
carts
where
we
were
more
flexible
with
that
and
said
it
would
be
up
to
the
real
retailers
to
determine
their
type
of
preventative
measure.
So
that's
I
think,
where
there
was
a
little
bit
of
balance,
we
gave
more
flexibility
and
instead
of
saying
you
have
to
have
these
three
preventative
measures
or
this
one
preventative
measure.
We
just
said
you
needed
to
implement
preventative
measures
and
again
this
relationship.
G
This
shift
was
more
focused
on
allowing
the
retailers
themselves
to
determine
what
worked
best
for
them
in
terms
of
again
preventing
and
also
their
requirement
of
labeling.
That
was
something
that
we
did
find
in
other
ordinances
and
that
again
was
to
encourage
residents.
It's
a
funny
thing.
If
you
see
a
shopping,
cart
that
belongs
to
target
people,
don't
think
to
call
target
to
say:
hey
your
shopping
cart's
on
the
sidewalk.
G
They
call
this
city
to
come,
get
the
shopping,
cart
for
target
and
so
we're
trying
to
encourage
people
to
contact
the
store
where
the
car
is
from,
and
that
was
something
that
we
actually
found
in
other
ordinances
that
we
looked
at
but
yeah.
We
found
a
variety
of
one
stores
that
charge
for
you
to
similar
to,
like
the
airport.
You
know
a
dollar
to
take
out
a
car
and
a
dollar
when
you
got
back,
but
there
were
a
lot
of
different
things.
We
just
were
a
bit
more.
G
F
And
if
I
can
add,
I
believe
some
ordinance
is
required
that
retailers
submit
plans
to
the
city
saying
we
will
address
this
problem
in
the
following
ways
and
then
those
plans-
I
don't
know-
maybe
you
can
speak
to
that-
had
to
be
approved
or
something
that
just
seemed
like
administratively
way
more
than
we
needed
to
be
doing.
And
can
you
talk
to
that
a
little
bit
absolutely.
G
Madam
chair
councilman
bureau,
there
were
a
lot
of
ordinances
that
did
require
a
plan
be
submitted,
be
approved.
If
someone
was
in
violation,
they
would
have
to
pay
a
fee
and
coordinate
with
businesses.
So
again,
I
think
our
approach
was
really
we're
trying
to
get
out
of
the
business
of
the
shopping
cart
operation.
G
But
with
that
not
including
some
of
those
details
where
you
know,
we
would
be
out
approving
or
doing
inspections
at
certain
stores
and
then
determining
if
they
are
in
compliance
and
at
the
level
in
which
they're
in
compliance,
because
that
was
something
we
saw
where
someone
would
be
reviewing
plans
determining
if
those
were
appropriate
measures
and
then
in
basically
ensuring
that
the
stores
stayed
in
compliance
and
if
they
didn't
there
was
a
second
set
of
violations
that
the
stores
would
have
to
incur.
G
D
That
that
made
me
think
of
other
things
that
just
last
night,
oh,
when
you
were
talking
about
how
folks
they
call
the
city
because
they
want
a
shopping,
cart
removed.
Well,
a
lot
of
cases.
They
don't
have.
The
information
like.
I
would
have
no
idea
who
to
call
a
target
to
tell
them
to
come
pick
up
a
shopping
cart.
So
the
fact
that
you
added
that
in
is
a
requirement
to
put
information
that
they're
required
to
put
information
on
their
carts.
F
Yeah,
I
can
point
you
to
that
language.
It
is
on
page
three
lines:
9
through
17
identification
requirements
for
shopping
carts,
every
shopping,
cart
provided
by
a
retail
establishment
located
in
the
municipal
boundaries
of
the
city
must
have
a
sign
permanently
affixed
to
it
that
contains
the
following
information:
the
name
of
the
owner,
a
valid
telephone
number
and
a
notice
to
customers
that
the
removal
of
the
carts
from
the
retailer's
establishment
premises
is
prohibited.
D
D
I've
heard
it's
effective,
they
use
it
in
the
other
states.
We
use
it
now
for
some.
I
know
there's
ways
to
still
kind
of
push
it,
but
it's
pretty.
It
doesn't.
F
Quite
a
few
stores
that
have
it
already
there
are,
and
again
I
haven't
had
time
to
review
this
two-page
letter
that
we've
all
gotten
there
are
albertsons,
for
instance,
is
making
a
considerable
investment
in
installing
these
systems
in,
I
think,
a
couple
of
their
stores
that
don't
have
them,
but
they're
not
foolproof.
Right,
I
mean,
if
you
really
want
a
shopping
cart,
you
can
disable
them
and
take
them
off,
but
again
it's
better.
F
So
in
terms
of
requiring,
I
think
we
were
sort
of
leaving
that
to
businesses
to
decide
what's
the
best
thing
for
them.
I
think
also
when
you
go
back
to
christine's
map.
You
know
there
is
a
concentration
of
carts
in
particular
areas
and
I
believe
the
retailers
are
going
to
look
at
that
data
to
see
you
know
there
may
be
solutions
with
where
they're
getting
left-
and
you
know
again,
that's
that's
a
another
conversation
that
we
can
still
have
about
whether
there
are
solutions
for
for
that
end.
F
So
I
think
I
got
off
your
point,
but
I
think.
D
That
helps-
and
I
did
read
that
letter
and
I
appreciate
that
kind
of
what
you
all
are
wanting
to
be
part
of
the
solution,
because
I
do
think
as
stakeholders
you
do
have
you
know
should
have
say
and
input
on
this.
So
I
think
this
has
sparked
the
conversation,
and
so
I
think
it's
good
that
we
postpone
so
that
there's
potential
for
maybe
other
solutions
to
figure
this
out,
and
then
I
guess
we'll
just
wait
till
what
is
this.
This
goes
to.
A
It'll
come
back
here
in
two
weeks
or
whenever
our
next
quality
of
life
committee
meeting
is
so,
it
won't
move
forward
at
this
time.
It'll
just
stay
in
quality
of
life
got.
E
Thank
you,
madam
cherry.
You
know
when
this
first
came
out
reading
through
what
was
being
proposed.
You
know
I
I
take
a
look
at
it
from
the
perspective
of
a
business
and
what
is
the
problem?
E
How
do
we
fix
that?
That
is
the
problem
and
we're
trying
to
put
a
band-aid
on
it,
and
how
do
we
fix
this?
I
want
to
ask
a
question
so
in
regards
to
the
the
cards
that
would
be
sent
to
the
landfill,
there
will
still
be
a
cost
associated
with
that
is
that
correct.
G
Madam
chair
counselor
garcia,
there
would
be
a
cost
associated
with
it.
I
think,
though,
given
our
desire
to
continue
to
be
a
sustainable
city
at
the
level
that
we
are,
we
probably
would
want
to
consider
doing
something
different.
Either
reselling
those
carts
or
recycling
them
into
a
different
way,
but
you
know
if
they
were
broken
or
the
stores
didn't
want
them
back
then
yeah
they
would
go
in
the
landfill.
E
And
and
again
I
just
you
know
I
can
see
you
know
we're
just
trying
to
to
fix
an
issue,
and
it
relates
directly
to
our
own
house
community.
It
really
does-
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
focus
on
that.
E
Creating
more
costs
to
I
mean
in
the
first
place,
is
from
creating
a
cost
to
our
businesses,
which
in
turn,
is
being
passed
on
to
the
consumers,
which
in
turn
creates
a
problem
with
the
elderly,
folk
or
people
who
are
disabled,
those
that
are
disabled
shopping.
They
don't
have
carts
because
of
this
issue
that
we're
having,
and
so
you
know
how
many
of
these
carts
are
going
to
be
returned
back
in
good
working
order.
What
does
it
cost
to
scores?
E
And
again
it
goes
back
to,
in
my
belief,
in
my
opinion,
that
these
costs
pass
back
on
to
to
the
public
and
it
is
through,
and
so
we,
you
know
trying
to
put
our
finger
on
what
the
problem
is,
and
the
problem
is
depth
of
shocking
parts.
It
really
is,
and
how
do
we
crack
down?
On
that?
E
I
know
you
can't
take
a
person
who
has
nothing
and
charging
500,
because
what
does
that
do,
but
it
comes
back
down
to
the
overall
policies
of
our
city,
and
I
think
we
really
need
to
take
a
look
at
those
things.
So
I
the
last
last
comment
I
would
like
to
make
is
that
I
would
like
to
know
who's
being
and
who's
involved
from
the
retail
store.
E
You
know
we
listed
walmart
smith's
lowe's
target
albertsons
and
they
are
concentrated
in
those
areas
where
the
majority
of
the
own
house
community
is
and-
and
so
I
want
to
you
know,
I
would
like
to
see
the
input
from
them
of
what
what
they're,
what
they're,
saying
and
and
and
go
from
there.
So.
E
You
tabling
it
to
the
next
committee
meeting
and
I'll
yield
the
floor
from
there.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
councillor,
any
other
questions
or
discussion
for
members
of
the
committee.
If
not,
I
have
a
couple
things
one
of
the
council,
lee
garcia.
I
think
you
bring
up
a
really
good
point
about
how
what
is
the
root
cause
of
this
issue
and
where
we
need
to
be
focusing
and-
and
I
that
is
one
of
those
really
interesting
concepts-
is
when
we
look
at
the
amount
of
staff
time
that
is
going
into
picking
up
shopping
carts.
A
How
are
we
going
to
be
solving
or
reducing
the
unhoused
population
challenges
that
we're
seeing
in
the
city,
and
we
will
be
getting
to
that
a
little
bit
later
on
discussion
we'll
actually
be
able
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
santa
fe
suites.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
conversation
as
well
as
it
is
related
one
question
I
do
have.
There
are
some
retailers
that
are
already
they
already
have.
A
What
those
are
looking
like,
how
many
carts
are
being
collected
from
retailers
that
do
have
cart,
contain
containment
strategies
in
place?
Are
there
cart
containment
strategies
that
we
see
are
working
better
than
others?
Christine
is
smiling
at
me
because
I
feel
like
she
has
the
answer
to
this
question
already.
So,
madame
clark,
if
you
would
like
to
expand
upon
where
you
know,
I
am
going
with
this,
please
go
right
ahead.
G
Madam
chair,
I
I
was
going
to
note
that
we
have
been
working
with
target.
Specifically,
they
do
have
the
locking
system.
They
are
still
in
our
top
five
for
carts
collected.
They
also
have
an
increased
security.
They
have
a
security
guard
at
their
exit,
which
doesn't
necessarily
their
security
guard.
G
Isn't
you
know
to
monitor
their
shopping
carts,
but
they
do
have
the
card
corral
and
they
also
have
a
cart
collection
company
on
contract,
and
so
their
carts
are
actually
washed
sanitized
and
delivered
back
to
them
separately,
but
we're
waiting
to
see
there
hadn't
been.
G
G
I
believe
it's
an
older
system-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
intent
to
change
their
system,
but
albert
since
we
did
meet
with
a
large
number
of
retailers
in
santa
fe.
Everyone
from
I
think
ace,
hardware
and
party
city
to
connie's
and
our
big
fox,
along
with
our
retail
association
reps
and
they
all,
as
counselor
romero
worth
mentioned,
that
they
were
interested
or
pursuing
technology.
So
there
is
some
new
technology
out.
There
was
raskin,
there's
another
technology
that
I
know
costco
or
something.
G
I
have
a
written
down.
I
apologize
that
they're
looking
at
implementing,
but
again
this.
G
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
collaboration
of
the
types
of
things
that
are
working
for
certain
areas,
perhaps
that
maybe
work
better
and
some
than
others,
but
we
do
know
that
we
have
stores
already
that
have
some
of
the
cart
containment
and
are
using
cart
collection
already,
and
so
I
think,
we're
starting
to
see
those
numbers
reduce,
but
we're
still,
obviously
not
at
zero,
and
now
other
stores
are
coming
on
board
with
some
of
their
own
technology.
A
A
I
think
that
that
will
be
something
to
continue
to
consider.
I'm
guessing
this
might
be
an
iterative
process.
A
I
don't
have
any
further
questions
or
comments
at
this
time.
Again
we
will
be
bringing
this
back
at
the
well,
assuming
that
we
vote
to
bring
it
back,
we
will
be
bringing
it
back
in
two
weeks:
councilman
vitoria
did
you
have
one
more
thing.
D
Just
a
follow-up
question
from
yours
for
christine
about
target,
and
specifically
did
these
measures
that
you
were
talking
about?
Did
they
implement
them
most
recently,
because
this
has
been
a
problem
or
had
they
been
already
in
place
when
we
started
collecting
shopping
carts
and
we
did
the
pilot.
I
was
just
curious
like
time
frames
even
for
themselves
because
they
realized
it
was
a
problem.
But
do
you
know
anything
about
target
and
specifically
absolutely.
G
G
Total
wine
actually
spoke
a
bit
during
our
meeting
and
mentioned
that
you
know
he
has
a
limited
number
of
carts,
and
so,
when
I
think
we've
collected
83
of
their
cards,
that's
a
good
number
for
them
and
there's
a
delay
to
even
get
new
cards.
I
believe
albertson's
mentioned
there's
like
an
eight
or
nine
month
delay
to
get
cards,
so
it
really
is
in
everyone's
best
interest.
If
the
cards
stay
on,
the
premises
and
target
already
had
the
locking
cards
in
place,
but
they
did
add
the
collection
as
an
additional
measure.
D
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
counselor
garcia's
point
about
how
to
tackle
the
root
cause
issue
and
the
unhoused
community,
and
what
this
means
and
it's
complicated.
D
F
So
I
I
just
I
want
to
make
the
point
that
it's
not
just
the
homeless
that
are
taking
cards
off
site
and
I
think
some
of
this
data
shows
that
people
who
don't
have
cars
or
don't
have
any
other
way
to
get
their
groceries
home,
are
taking
cards
and
then
abandoning
them.
And
you
know
I
I
don't
know
if
there's
solutions
around
that,
I
I
know
in
big
cities.
F
Sometimes
people
have
a
little
push
cart
that
they
own,
that
they
take
to
the
store
and
back,
and
you
know
whether
that's
something
that's
feasible,
given
our
you
know,
sidewalks
or
lack
of
sidewalks
or
where
these
these
carts
are
being
abandoned.
I
I
don't
know,
but
clearly
you
can
push
them
to
some
place,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that,
where
it's
a
bigger
problem
than
just
the
homeless,
it's
some
of
the
apartment
complexes
near
these
retail
big
box
stores.
A
Thank
you
counselor
and
I
think
that'll
help
christine
when
we
see
that
that
map-
and
we
can
zoom
on
in
that'll,
be
really
helpful.
Let's
go
ahead.
I
would
like
to
call
for
the
vote.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
postpone
this
item
until
the
wednesday
august
17th
quality
of
life
committee
meeting.
B
A
A
D
D
You
know
commerce
to
associated
with
that
cultural
event,
and
so
it
was
particularly
expressed
by
organizers
that
makers
and
artisans
have
been
hit
hard
by
the
pandemic,
and
they
want
to
be
able
to
have
them
be
incorporated
at
events.
So
currently,
the
ordinance
that
we
have
in
place
doesn't
allow
for
this
events
can't
even
have
t-shirt
sales
or
memorabilia
without
our
memorabilia
sales,
without
making
any
change
to
this
ordinance.
D
Hence
the
reason
why
we
came
up
with
what
is
called
the
small
commercial
event
permit
option
this
event.
This
ordinance
amendment
proposes
to
allow
for
up
to
eight
small
commercial
event
permits
for
one
day
existing
cultural
events
on
the
plaza
park,
and
I
want
to
say
that
we
did
actually
make
the
amendment
it
used
to
be
10,
and
so
we
reduced
it
to
eight
the
one,
the
named
organism
or
the
named
events
that
we've
actually
put
into
the
ordinance
our
indigenous
people's
day,
juneteenth
and
now
santa
fe
pride
is
actually
with
the
recent
amendment.
D
I
I
have
added
to
the
mix
as
the
named
events
and
then
the
remaining
five
permits
for
one
day.
Cultural
events
are
subject
to
a
lottery
selection
in
january
for
each
calendar
year
and
to
participate
in
that
lottery.
The
nonprofit
organizations
must
have
organized
and
held
the
same
event,
and
it
has
to
be
a
city
permitted
event
in
at
least
two
of
the
last
two
of
the
prior
five
years
and
may
only
submit
one
entry
in
the
lottery
per
year
and
that
language
came
about
from
some
of
our
stakeholders.
D
D
The
other
thing
about
the
lottery
idea
was
to
really
give
potentially
other
existing
cultural
events
the
opportunity
to
enhance
their
event
by
allowing
vendors
as
a
secondary
use,
and
they
did
want
to
clarify
that
pride
initially
wasn't
added
into
the
mix
as
one
of
the
events
to
be
allowed
for
small
commercial
event
permits,
because
they
were
looking
at
and
exploring
other
routes
for
their
organization,
and
so
we
met
with
them
and
ultimately,
they
decided
that
they
wanted
to
be
added
back
in
as
an
eligible
small
commercial
event
permit.
D
The
other
thing
is
just
I
guess
to
summarize.
The
changes
will
allow
for
eight
existing
cultural
events
to
have
a
secondary
use
for
the
event
to
allow
vendors
to
participate
in
commerce
activities,
and
there
are
limitations.
Of
course,
these
vendors
would
be
limited
to
only
using
the
plaza
park
and
not
the
streets
streets
would
not
be
able
to
be
shut
down
for
vendors.
D
The
spaces
reserved
for
our
plaza
artists,
artisans
and
the
push
cart
vendor
program,
which
we
run
the
city
does,
will
remain
in
place
during
the
small
commercial
events
and
then
the
other
piece
is
related
to,
and
the
amendment
sheet
that
I
have
in
there
is
that
I've
added
language
based
on
input
from
the
plaza
artisans
is
that
they
will
not
be
charged
additional
fees
to
sell
during
small
commercial
event.
Permit
sorry,
small
commercial
permitted
events
and
then
all
of
the
other
regulations
permitted
and
not
permitted
on
the
plaza
for
events
will
apply.
D
These
are
one
day
permitted
events,
the
small
commercial
permitted
events
have
to
follow
the
same
review
and
approval
process
that
we
outline
for
the
major
commercial
events
and
all
the
vendors
must
have
special
event
vendor
licenses,
which
requires
them
to
have
a
business
license
and
they
must
file
and
pay
applicable
gross
receipts
tax
on
their
sales.
So
I
just
want
to
mention
these
changes
really
kind
of,
and
this
was
also
from
staff
changes
that
occurred,
and
it
was
done
by
considerable
stakeholder
outreach.
D
I
mean
I've
talked
to
and
had
meetings
with,
the
plaza
artisans
and
push
cart.
Vendors,
the
plaza
merchants
association,
organizers
of
plaza
events,
chamber
of
commerce
and
then
other
individuals
that
are
part
of
the
stakeholder
group,
so
I'll
pause
there
and
I
don't
know
if
staff
has
anything
to
add
to
that,
but
just
wanted
to
give
some
context
of
what
has
changed
since
the
last
version
of
this.
Thank
you.
B
Back
to
you,
thank
you
chair.
I
want
to
first
start
by
thanking
councilman
villarreal
for
the
work
on
this.
I
am
excited
to
see
that
there's
this
opportunity
for
the
commercial
events
I
do
have
some
concerns
a
few
well,
one
being
the
amount,
the
amount
of
events,
the
other
being
the
lottery
system.
So
with
the
let
me
get
to
my
page.
I'm
sorry.
B
So,
with
the
major
commercial
events
we
define
what
those
events
will
be,
I
would
recommend
or
ask
for
consideration
of
doing
the
same
for
the
small
commercial
event
as
well.
I
think
that
that
is
a
lot
of
events.
I
have
a
multiple
worries,
one
kind
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
brought
up
by
merchants,
the
other
being
just
the
demand
on
staff
the.
So
those
are
my
two
concerns,
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
could
speak
to
those.
B
I
do
also
wonder
about
the
lottery
system
and,
if
that's
most
appropriate,
especially
for
us
to
kind
of
how
do
we
define
the
lottery
system?
How
does
that?
I
know
that
we're
like
it's
random.
It
creates
more
equity,
but
I'm
not
sure
that's
the
case
necessarily
so
I
feel
like.
If
we're
going
to
identify
certain
events
for
the
small
commercial,
then
we
should
just
define
which
events
they
will
be
all
together,
as
we
did.
The
major
events,
that's
a
consideration.
I
do
appreciate
your
work
so
much
though
I
think
it's
necessary.
B
I
love
that
they're
going
to
have
the
opportunity
for
vendors,
but
I
also
think
that
we
need
to
re-examine
that
process
in
particular,
which
is
which
affects
the
way
we're
providing
that
opportunity
and
to
how
many.
So
that's
just
the
consideration
that
I
wanted
to
speak
to.
Thank.
A
D
They
can
already
have
tabling
of
information
booths,
which
is
already
something
that
the
city
is
required
to
be
part
of
to
permit,
and
the
difference
is
that
some
of
those
tables
will
be
vendors
and-
and
I
actually
found
out
this
year
from
pride-
is
we
made
even
the
information
booth
folks,
get
their
crm
and
do
all
the
same
things
that
they
would
do
for
businesses,
even
though
they
weren't
selling.
So
I
was
like
wow
we're
doing
the
same
thing
already
with
events
that
currently
exist.
So
that's
why
I
feel
like
we
were
wanting
to.
D
I
don't
I
mean
I
would
like
to
hear
from
staff,
and
we've
talked
about
this
quite
a
bit,
but
I
guess
it
was
not
another
burden,
because
these
were
already
existing
staff.
I
know
there
is
a
difference
of
potential
trash
accumulated
at
events.
If
there
are
vendors,
I
don't
know,
maybe
you
could
speak
to
that,
but
I'll
just
stop.
For
now.
H
That
better,
yeah,
okay,
thank
you
counselors!
Yes,
the
impact
the
staff
are
going
are
accounted
for
in
the
fir.
We
do
anticipate
that
there
will
be
additional
needs,
such
as
inspections,
education
about
10
hours
per
event
for
understanding
the
permit
processing
the
permit
those
types
of
things
anytime.
You
have
an
event
on
the
plaza,
it's
a
guess
as
to
what
is
going
to
be
asked
for.
H
We've
made
some
assumptions
in
this
fire
based
on
the
fact
that
these
are
existing
events,
or
that
this
is
the
premise
that
these
will
be
existing
events,
so
we've
tried
to
account
for
it.
We
may
not
have
hit
the
mark
right
and
we
are
definitely
recommending
that
we
evaluate
this
every
year
and
you
know
see
if
we
are
hitting
the
right
mark,
but
it's
going
to
be
permit
requirements
that
we
have
to
meet
it's
about
inspections
and
making
sure
that
the
booths
are
set
up
properly,
they're,
not
going
in
the
fire
lane.
H
You
know
all
the
types
of
things
you
need
with
commercial
events
that
push
the
limits
of
what
you
might
have
there.
So
that's
the
biggest
part
that
I
see
affecting
sap
and
it's
a
hard
thing
to
determine.
We
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
be
asking
for.
We
had
to
make
assumptions
at
this
point
and
what
was
the
other
question?
I'm
sorry
counselor.
H
Counselors,
that
also
was
a
concern
of
many
of
the
stakeholders
at
the
moment.
The
way
that
we
envisioned
the
lottery
system
working
would
be
that
it
would
be
sent
in
via
email,
and
it
would
be
time
stamped
when
it
is
received.
On
january
1st,.
A
So
anything
that
was
received
as
of
january
1st,
I
apologize
I'm
now
just
clarifying
anything
that
was
is
received
as
of
january
1st
on
january
1st.
There
is
that
lottery
so
it'd
be
time
stamped
to
make
sure
that
it
came
in
by
12
59
on
december
31st.
Yes,
okay,
wait!
11,
59!
Excuse
me,
12
15
can.
D
I
add
to
that
there
was
discussion
well,
barbara
had
suggested
it
that
they'd
have
to
actually
fill
out
an
application
and
then
submit
it
in
a
timely
manner.
The
other
thing
was,
I
think
there
was
more
concern
that
people
should
just
allow.
I
mean
in
other
conversations
that
we
had
that
I
think
staff
is
there
too,
that
stakeholders
are
like.
Why
doesn't
every
every
event
be
allowed
to
have
vendors?
Why
are
you
limiting
them
to,
in
this
case,
eight
and
and
even
at
edac?
They
thought
that
that
was
odd.
D
So
I
feel
like
this
is
like
a
ongoing
program
problem,
not
just
related
to
like
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
support
events
in
the
community.
So
I
want
to
be
cognizant
of
that,
but
I
I
just
want
to
be
clear:
lottery
was
kind
of
like
people
wanted
more
options
and
not
necessarily
having
lottery.
They
wanted
to
be
have,
or
have
more
events
just
to
be
allowed
to
have
vendors
whenever
so,
I'm
trying
to
strike
a
balance
between
different
stakeholders
here
that
I've
talked
to.
H
Yes,
counselor
and
just
to
clarify
a
little
more
so
essentially,
it's
first
come
first
serve
and
we
can
identify
that
based
on
the
timestamp,
that
it
was
that
it
was
submitted
and
the
reason
that
we
need
to
limit
it
is
that
if
every
event
was
allowed
to
have
commercial
activity,
we
need
a
lot
more
overtime
because
it
doesn't
just
impact
the
plaza,
even
though
it's
restricted
to
the
plaza.
This
was
designed
very
carefully
to
say
that
it
had
to
be
curbed
to
curb
inside
the
plaza.
H
But
you
know
people
take
things
with
them
and
they
use
trash
cans
and
you
know
other
areas
of
the
city.
So
that
is
why
we
appreciate
the
limitation
in
this
case.
Thank.
A
H
H
You
have
to
be
the
the
first
one
in
there
whoever's
as
just
going
through
the
the
web.
Whoever
gets
it
in
is
the
one
who
gets
it.
We're
not
doing
like
a
lottery
that
you
pull
out
of
a
hat,
we're.
D
A
Yes,
that,
if
that
anybody
who
has
submitted
a
request
for
a
commercial
event
by
end
of
day
on
december
31st
that
they
would
either
be
picked
out
of
the
hat
or
there
are
computer
systems
that
will
do
it
for
you,
that's
that's
a
lottery
to
me.
That
sounds
like
whoever
gets
their
application
and
first
gets
it.
So
that's
first
come
first
serve
in
my
opinion,.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
clarify,
because
I
think
staff
we
talked
about
lottery
in
the
sense
that
the
names
would
come
in
or
the
applications
would
come
in
and
then
staff
would
have
to
make
a
decision
about
well
for
one
if
they
submitted
on
time
for
that
one
day,
but
I
guess
in
I
don't
know.
I
guess
I
would
ask
melissa
about
that.
D
If
how
are
you
feeling
about
doing
this
selection
if
they
get
in,
they
get
their
names
in
at
the
time
we
we
require
them
to
and
then
they're
randomly
picked,
because
that
is
a
letter
I
see
what
you're
talking
about,
but
sure.
H
Counselors,
that's
certainly
an
option.
If
that's
how
you
want
us
to
administer
it,
we
could
collect
them
and
have
a
beginning
point
and
end
point
and
do
some
kind
of
draw.
That
is
not
how
it's
been
talked
about
at
this
point.
It's
been
more.
First
come
first
served.
If
that
would
be
modified,
we
could
do
it
that
way.
A
A
This
sounds
like
a
detail
that
needs
to
be
worked
out.
I
do
have
some
more
questions
about
the
lottery
and
I
apologize.
I
forgot
to
go
to
the
rest
of
the
committee
first
before
I
just
started
asking
questions.
Counselor
travis
did
you
have
any
additional
questions
or
comments?
I
think
I
got
a
little
more
confused.
B
The
same
question:
I
think
clarification
between
lottery
first
come
first
serve.
It
sounds
like
yeah,
that's
an
application
process,
and
so
whoever
applies
first
would
be
the
ones
that
are
able
to
have
an
event.
So
the
lottery
within
is
a
little
misleading
but
yeah.
I
think
that
needs
to
be
ironed
out.
Maybe.
E
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
do
you
I
mean
I
guess
my
question
would
be
to
councilwoman
via
how
many
other
organizations
are
have
really.
You
know
been
interested
in
in
these
small
commercial
events.
I
mean
we
have
plenty
that
happen
on
the
plaza
and
I
think
that
you
know
what's
what's.
E
I
think
you
agreed
created
a
really
great
point
in
terms
of
what
happens
when
a
band's
playing
on
the
plaza
and
they
want
to
sell
their
cds
or
their
own
t-shirts
and
things,
and
I
think
it
does
happen,
sometimes
even
probably
against
our
own,
our
own
knowledge
or
ability
to
find
out.
E
What's
you
know
to
enforce
the
rules,
but
for
these
specific
events,
you
know
how
many
potentially
are
wanting
to
to
try
to
get
and-
and-
and
I
guess
I'm
alluding
to-
how
do
we
make
it
most
fair
to
everyone
that
has
the
wishes
to
to
take
one
of
these
spots.
D
Thank
you
for
the
question.
You
know
personally,
I've
only
heard
of
other
than
the
ones
listed
like
five
other
groups.
That's
why
we
kind
of
reduced
it.
Although
barbara
had
said
over
the
years,
there's
been
people
that
asked
about
it,
not
that
they
were
gonna
potentially
pursue
it,
but
why
they
couldn't
sell
and
have
vendors,
and
it
was
she
said,
30,
but
that's
been
kind
of
fluid,
so
yeah.
It's
kind
of,
I
think
what
council
ruvetto
was
talking
about.
Is
that
allowing
to
see
the
interest
of
this?
D
We
get
a
better
idea
and
that's
why
we
wanted
to
do
the
lottery
system
as
it
relates
to
what
you're
asking
about
bandstand
and
the
music.
They
are
allowed
one
tent
to
provide
information
about
the
bandstand,
and
then
they
can
sell
cds
and
they've
made
an
amendment
or
they've
made
a
accommodation
for
them.
Barbara
has
so
that's
probably
the
only
kind
of
anomaly
really
is
there.
Another
question.
D
E
Other
thing
that
I
would
would
be
on
my
mind
in
terms
of
this
is
is
again:
I
think
that
the
clarification
on
lottery
versus
first
come
first
serve,
because
that
does
make
make
sense
if
somebody's
on
the
timestamp
and
you
cut
it
off
at
five.
You
know
I'm
good
with
the
three
that
are
established,
I
mean
you
have
pride,
you
have
indigenous
people
day
and
you
have
juneteenth
and
they're
already
somewhat
established,
and
I
think
that's
great
to
to
include
this
in
there.
E
What
does
the
is
their
clarification
of
what
the
organization,
what
types
of
organization
are
able
to
sign
on?
To
this
I
mean,
is
it.
E
Is
it
anyone
who
comes
to
to
the
table
and
wants
just
to
have
a
community
day?
It
could
be
the
local
chapter
of
I
don't
know
nights
of
columbus.
I
mean
what
what's
what
what
are
the
other
criteria,
and
I
know.
B
D
E
D
Right,
yeah:
well,
we
actually
have
that
hashed
out,
so
it
is
non-profit
organizations,
it
can't
be
a
for-profit
or
an
individual
requesting
a
permit
for
an
event,
and
then
we
put
in
that
it
has
to
be
an
event
that
has
been
or
a
cultural
event
that
has
at
least
two
of
the
prior
five
years
have
had
a
permit
with
the
city
an
event
and
then
the
other
piece
to
this
that
we
added,
because
we
thought
there
should
be
a
definition
of
what
a
cultural
event
is
and
based
on
staff's
input.
D
We
did
have
a
definition
that
I'm
looking
for.
I
think
it's
on
page
two,
the
cultural
event
means
an
event
that
celebrates
or
promotes
heritage,
customs
traditions
or
artistic
expressions,
or
that
is
educational.
So
it's
pretty
broad,
but
you
know
it
doesn't
really
talk
about
religious
events
and
such
so.
I
think
we
try
to
define
it,
but
still
to
kind
of
make
it
broad,
because
people
do
have
different
interpretations
of
cultural.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
no
other
questions.
A
A
I
would
be
curious
to
hear
how
many
would
potentially
be
entering
into
this
lottery
as
well
as
have
a
better
understanding
of
these
events.
I
don't
believe
that
that
information
is
at
hand,
but
if
that
is
something
that
could
be
sent
along,
that'd
be
appreciated.
H
Counselors,
I
think
that
the
number
30
is
kind
of
in
that
that
realm,
I
think,
barbara
calculated
it
based
on
that
desire
and
the
amount
of
organizations
that
would
regularly
be
doing
it.
So
we
can
go
back
and
look
at
that,
but
I
think
that's
probably
inaccurate
assumption
that
those
ones
would
qualify.
Okay,
thank
you
and
barbara
does
keep
very
good.
Barbara
lopez
does
keep
very
good
records,
so
we
can
look
at
how
many
people
in
the
last
five
years
would
qualify.
That'd,
be.
A
I
know.
There's
been
some
discussion
kind
of
there's
been
this
mention
of
different
regulations
when
the
commercial
events
occur.
We
said
a
small.
We
had
this
conversation
last
time
about
what
a
small
event
is,
so
it
has
to
be
within
curb
to
curb,
so
it
has
to
be
within
the
plaza
park
actual.
But
then
there
also
is
a
requirement
for
open
space.
You
know
to
make
sure
that
there
is
safety
and
do
we
have
an
idea
of
you
know
kind
of
the
maximum
number
of
booths
that
this
could
really
be
incorporating.
A
D
Well,
she
told
me
it
depends
on
the
type
of
event.
She
definitely
has
parameters
of
how
things
get
spaced
out.
But
if
someone
were
to
want
to
use
the
middle
of
the
plaza
for
dancing
and
music,
they
wouldn't
put
the
vendors
there.
So
you
know
it
depends.
We
we
don't
like
to
say
numbers,
but
it
depends
on
the
type
of
event.
D
I've
heard,
as
you
know,
little
as
you
know,
people
having
tables
and
the
way
we
can
actually
visualize
it,
because
barbara
has
actually
done
it,
because
there's
people
that
have
events
that
want
information
tables,
and
so
I
think
it
ranges,
but
I
think
the
most
I've
seen
and
I'm
not
sure
what
pride
was.
But
I
thought
it
was
close
to
50.
D
But
then
like
to
compare
it,
there
was
a
wellness
festival.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
made
it
down
there
and
there
was
a
lot
of
space
and-
and
I
asked
people
how
many
vendors
do
you
think
were
there
down
there
that
were
had
information
tables
and
they
thought
there
was
a
lot
and
there
was
actually
only
30..
They
asked
barbara
about
it,
so
it
kind
of
depends
on
how
they
want
to
set
up
the
event.
So
I
hate
to
say,
like
the
number
max.
A
No,
I
meant
yeah
what
the
what
we
think
that
the
maximum
would
be
that
there
would
be
a
fit
in
well
and
yeah.
It
could
vary
depending
on
how
they
want
to
set
it
in,
although
I
do
know
that,
there's
that
barbara
has
it
written
out
what
the
requirements
are
for
open
space
to
make
sure
that
people
can
united
states
poorest
and
people
can't
safely
get
in
and
out.
A
A
So
if
we're
pulling
a
lottery
or
selecting
people
on
january
1st
and
they
have
to
put
in
their
plan,
I
feel
like
I'm
very
close
to
the
mic
today
and
they
have
to
put
in
their
plan
three
months
ahead
of
the
event.
A
If
they
don't
know
that
they're
going
to
be
selected
for
a
commercial
event
until
january
1st,
they
need
say
a
month
to
get
everything
together.
Does
that
mean
that
we've
essentially
knocked
out
january
through
april,
where
events
could
actually
happen,
because
we
haven't
lotteried
or
picked
people
until
january
1st?
So
we've
taken
out
a
quarter
of
the
year
where
commercial
events
could
occur,
or
is
that
selected
or
is
that
accounted
for.
H
H
But
if
it's
a
matter
of
having
a
beginning
point
and
an
ending
point-
and
we
select
it-
I
mean
there
would
be
a
period
of
time
where
we
would
select
the
randomized
folks
and
then
we
would
have
to
validate
that
they
meet
all
the
other
criteria,
so
it
wouldn't
be
finalized
until
we
could
really
look
at
the
application
and
make
sure
they
met
it.
But.
C
A
A
So
you
know
I
don't
know
if
that
means
that
maybe
the
lottery
or
the
first
come
first
serve
would
have
to
be
chosen
by
I
don't
know
july
of
the
year
prior,
in
order
to
give
everybody
time
if
that
was
something
people
were
interested
in.
A
D
And
I'm
sure
I
also
want
to
say
that
details
about
the
lottery
wouldn't
be
in
the
ordinance.
It
actually
would
be
our
procedural
rules
that
would
outline
how
that
would
work.
It
would
actually
not
explicitly
say
all
the
details
of
how
that's
going
to
work.
So
the
fact
that
we
can
work
out
the
details
for
lottery
of
how
staff
feels
comfortable
about
it,
whether
it's
like
picking
names
out
of
the
hat
that
have
come
in.
D
A
A
D
I
actually
would
like
to
I
mean:
I
think
we
need
to
work.
Definitely
to
explain
it
to
you
all.
So
you
understand
it,
but
I
do
want
to
ask
jesse
about
this
because
we've
talked
about
like
what
goes
in
ordinances
and
what
doesn't
and
the
description
of
how
the
lottery
would
work
is
not
going
to
go
in
the
ordinance
from
my
understanding.
C
D
Right-
and
I
think
you
all
should
know
how
it
works,
because
I
think
that's
a
confusion
about
first
come
first
serve
versus
lottery,
because
I
think
what
we
haven't
actually
had
an
opportunity
to
like
tie
it
down
to
really
understand
it,
but
I
think
we
can
figure
that
out.
It's
just
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
didn't.
We
wouldn't
make
the
change
in
our
document
in
the
ordinance,
so
we
can
definitely
work
on
how
that
would
look
so
that
you
we're
not
confusing
it
with
first
come.
First
serve
yeah.
A
There
are
a
couple
changes
that
would
be
need
to
be
made.
Lottery.
Selection
is
in
the
ordinance
as
well
as
in
january
of
each
calendar
year,
so
that
question
that
I
had
about
whether
or
not
that
automatically
knocks
out
events
that
might
happen
in
the
first
quarter
of
the
year.
So
it
does
look
like
there
are
some
details
there
that
are
an
ordinance
that
would
need
to
be,
would
need
to
be
figured
out
and
and
changed
before.
A
There
has
also
been
a
lot,
and
this
is
I'm
not
I'm,
not
sure
who
has
this
information.
This
is
this
is
kind
of
where
I
start
to
struggle.
Do
we
go
for
a
lottery
now?
Do
we
choose
some
events,
small
commercial
events
and
then
look
at
some
things?
A
So
some
of
the
conversations
have
been
around
parking
and
if
the
event
is
already
occurring,
there's
already
going
to
be
parking
being
taken
up
downtown.
So
I
think
the
fact
that
these
are
established
events
is
important,
and
so
I
do
appreciate
that
that
is
included
in
there
and
that
there
is
that
consistency.
A
I
think
that
the
small
commercial
events
are
probably
different
than
the
large
commercial
events
that
we
are
thinking
about
because
with
those
especially
when
you're
thinking
about
spanish
market
and
indian
market
there's
almost
kind
of
a
comparison
of
goods,
that's
being
sold,
you
know
spanish
and
indiana.
It's
art,
it's
art
and
jewelry,
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
we
see
at
the
with
the
plaza
with
the
downtown
merchants
and
with
the
and
with
the
artisans.
A
So
I
guess
I'm
I'm
curious
what
the
impact
would
be
for
small
commercial
events,
because
I
think
that
they're
going
to
be
different,
and
so
I
don't
think
it's
I
don't.
It's
I'm
not
quite
sure
it's
comparable
to
talk
about
what
has
happened
at
large
commercial
events
as
how
that
would
impact
these
groups
and
what
the
small
commercial
events
would
look
like
as
well,
and-
and
so
I
could.
A
I
can
actually
bring
that
as
an
argument
to
go
both
ways
to
say
we
don't
know
what
the
impact
is,
so
we
can't
really
compare
and
also
we
don't
know
what
the
impact
is.
So
maybe
we
move
at
a
slower
rate
and
see
what
that
impact
starts
to
look
like.
So
I
know
that
that
that
is
going
to
be
a
point
of
conversation
at
some
juncture.
A
I
don't
know
if
there
is
any
any
data,
anything
that
we
might
be
able
to
pull
on
to
to
start
to
distill
that
down
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
do
think
it
is
something
to
think
about.
It
is
really
about
that
balance
of
providing
the
access
to
the
community
to
a
number
of
different
organizations,
as
well
as
individuals
that
are
renting
space
on
the
plaza
and
who
that
is
their
livelihood
on
a
regular
basis.
A
So
I'm
not
entirely
sure
how
to
to
strike
that
balance
and
to
get
the
information
and
to
really
understand
what
that
impact
looks
like
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
information
on
that
at
this
moment
or
if
that's
just
kind
of
something
that
we'd
have
to
continue
to
similar
with
the
retailers
that
we
were
talking
about
shopping
carts.
You
know
that
has
to
be
part
of
the
ongoing
partnerships
and
conversations.
So
I'm
seeing
shaking
heads
that
we
don't
really
have
that
information
at
this
time,
correct.
D
Madam
chair,
we
we
also
don't
have
any
information
about
the
actual
economic
benefit
from
these
events
and
even
small
events
on
what
it
impacts
on
people
that
actually
can
sell
at
a
small
event
and
what
that
means
to
their
livelihoods
too.
So,
like
this,
there's
a
lot
of
different
opinions
and
there's
also
different
opinions
of
merchants.
That
have
talked
to
me
that
want
more
events
at
the
plaza.
D
And
they
think
it's
fine
to
have
vendors,
they
don't
feel
like
it
hurts
them.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
opinions
and
that's
why
I
was
trying
to
strike
a
balance
between
different
kind
of
interests
and
different
opinions
and
different.
I
think
there
hasn't
been
anything
that
can
say.
Yes,
this
hurts
me.
D
Yes,
this
helps
me
or
even
the
city
actually
doing
an
analysis
of
what
it
means
for
us
to
have
events
that
allow
for
commerce
and
that's
economic
development,
so
yeah,
I
think
that's
that's
something
we
are
not
going
to
have
for
this
right,
yeah
to
be
able
to
make
a
decision.
I
think
it's
more
kind.
A
Of
conversations
for
how
we
continue
to
evaluate
this
in
the
future,
and
to
that
point
I
mean
I
remember
working
one
of
the
downtown
restaurants,
you
staff
up
for
spanish
market
in
indian
market
weekends
and
working
as
a
host
on
those
weekends
was
awful
very
busy.
So
I
think
that,
just
as
we
continue
to
move
forward
with
commercial
events,
it's
something
for
us
to
think
about,
and
something
for
us
to
continue
to
look
at
and
really
analyze
that
counselor.
I
see
that
you
have
a
another
question
comment
just.
E
A
quick
comment-
and
I
think
that
you
know
with
any
new
venture-
you
aren't
going
to
really
have
the
data
until
you
actually
start
rolling
with
it,
and
you
know
we
can
try
to
get
statistics
and
we
can
try
to
see
okay
well,
who's,
this
going
to
affect,
who
is
not
going
to
affect
and
some
people
it
may
for
benefit
and
others
it
may
not,
and
so
I
mean
you
know
the
bottom
line.
E
I
think
here
is
to
to
see
how
this
this
works
and
again
it
could
come
back
and
and
be
revisited
and
we
can
amend
things
for
it
and
continue
from
there.
I
think
we
have
the
power
to
do
that.
So
those
are
just
my
my
comments.
Yeah.
A
Counselor,
I
completely
agree
and
that's
I
think
why
I'm
questioning
whether
we
take
it
slower
because
we
can
come
back
and
add,
but
it's
really
hard
to
take
things
away.
It's
a
lot
easier
to
give
more
than
to
pull
back
once.
We've
moved,
but
well.
E
And
if,
if
I,
if
I
also
just
may
see
that
you
know,
I
think
at
eight
events,
it's
very
comfortable
and
I've
heard
the
number
of
ten
it's
been,
you
know
brought
back
to
eight.
I
think
that
having
the
three
three
organizations
who
have
somewhat
been
established
and
have
even
come
to
governing
body
for
public
comment,
obviously
are
very
interested
in
continuing,
probably
in
the
future,
having
the
extra.
E
I
guess.
Five
spots
allows
opportunity
for
different
events
to
to
be
able
to
to
have
have
time
on
the
on
the
positive,
which
is
such
a
beautiful
space
to
be
at,
and
so,
if
we
were
to
create
an
established
eight
slots,
then
how
do
we
allow
for
other
people
that
may
have
interest
at
some
point
in
the
future,
and
so
I
think
that
you
know
the
way
that
it
is.
It
sounds
like
it's.
E
It's
pretty
well
thought
out,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
see
if
anybody
has
anything
else
to
here.
C
Director
brown,
I'm
sure
if
I
could
address
some
of
this
questions
around
economic
impact,
so
we
have
created
a
data
platform
here
in
the
city
and
one
of
the
things
that
it
does
track
is
geo
traffic
for
tourism
and
to
councillor
garcia's
point.
If
we
pilot
this,
these
programs,
or
just
bring
our
eight
in
we'll,
be
able
to
benchmark
them
for
the
next
year
so
that
you
can
actually
have
data
that
could
inform
how
you
might
change
or
amend
some
of
the
the
work.
C
That's
done
it's
difficult
to
for
some
of
these
events
there.
It
might
be
too
small
where
we
can
really
track
down
how
much
revenue
is
being
pushed
through,
but
you
can
pull
out
grt.
You
can
see
a
blip
in
the
screen
on
grt
on
those
days,
so
the
data
platform
would
be
able
to
help
us
with
data
in
the
year's
time
after
you've
piloted
them
out.
So
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
from
an
economic
impact,.
C
A
That'd
be
wonderful
to
to
be
getting
that
on
a
lot
of
these
pieces,
but
I'm
not
I'm
guessing
that
we
can't
quite
drill
down
the
we
could
probably
drill
down
into
industry
sectors,
though
so
we
could
see
like.
Is
there
a
blip
that
an
increase
in
restaurants
increase
in
hotels,
I'm
not
sure
about
established
merchants
if
we'd
be
able
to
see
increases
there?
If
it
all
get.
C
Yeah,
it's
it's
definitely
a
macro
view
of
of
categories.
They
call
maps
codes,
so
restaurants,
hotels,
et
cetera,
but
but
what's
exciting
about
the
data
platform
and
the
geocaching
is
that
that
lip
of
the
screen
on
the
day
of
the
event
you
can
actually
tell
where
people
are
moving,
so
they
may
spend
downtown.
They
may
spend
south
of
town,
they
spend
midtown.
So
you
can
see
where
that
blitz
of
screen
shows
where
the
spend
may
happen.
It
may
all
happen
for
that
time
on
that
day.
C
But
if
you
do
see
a
growth
of
spend
throughout
the
city,
then
you
know
that
you're
getting
a
bigger
impact
because
they
may
be
coming
to
visit
friends.
There
may
be
spending
restaurants
that
are
not
just
downtown.
It
could
be
for
the
whole
city.
So
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
there
is
a
way
that
we
can
try
to
measure
some
of
the
economic
impact
platform.
A
D
Bill
and
then
also
consider
my
amendment
because
it's
actually
something
I'd
already
talked
about
but-
and
I
know,
there's
some
outstanding
kind
of
questions
to
understand
about
events
when
they
occur,
especially
at
the
first
quarter.
I
do
remember
barbara
telling
us
no
very
few
events
occur
at
the
beginning,
but
we
definitely
just
to
give
you
numbers.
C
D
Have
a
lot
more
committees
and
yeah
so
I'll
stop
there,
and
I
also
want
to
talk
about
my
amendment.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
to
a
main
motion
on
the
floor
to
approve.
Is
there
a
second
again,
okay,
good
promotion
and
a
second
and
councilman
vader
rail
back
to
you
for
your
amendment.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
amendment
adds
in
pride
after
discussions
with
them,
so
it
basically
adjusts
it.
It
names
the
three
juneteenth
indigenous
people's
day
and
pride
is
added
as
my
amendment,
so
it
adjusts
those
lottery
numbers
from
six
to
five
and
then
all
of
the
adjustments
that
need
to
be
made
in
the
language
to
to
accommodate
that.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
me
to
go
through.
F
D
And
then
the
other
important
one
that
I
want
to
make
sure
people
know
about
is
what
was
kind
of
came
out
of
stakeholder
discussions
with
the
plaza
artisans
is
they
want
to
make
sure,
and
I
think
this
is
important
that
they're
not
charged.
They
shall
not
be
charged
additional
fees
to
sell
during
the
commercial
event
permit
event,
sorry,
small
commercial
event
permits
small
commercial
permitted
events,
that's
what
the
languages
the
languages
I
shall
that
they
shall
not
be
charged
additional
feasts
to
sell
during
the
events.
Okay,.
D
Yes,
move
to
move
motion
to
move.
My
amendment
move
to
approve.
A
Need
to
approve
my
amendment:
is
there
a
second
on
the
amendment
second,
and
is
there
any
questions
or
discussions
specifically
on
this
amendment,
and
if
not,
can
I
please
get
a
roll
call.
A
All
right,
so
the
amendment
has
been
passed
any
other
is
there?
Is
there
another
amendment
that
would
like
to
be
moved
today,
or
is
that
amendment
not
being
moved
at
this
time.
A
Okay,
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
the
bill
as
amended,
or
are
we
ready
for
a
vote
on
the
bill
as
amended,
and
I
think
we
are.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
moving
on
to
our
discussion
item.
So
we
are
going
to
be
discussing
the
request
for
approval
of
community
development.
Block
grant
cares,
act,
cdbg,
slash,
cb,
cd
agreement
in
the
amount
of
five
hundred
and
eighty
one
thousand
three
hundred
and
thirty
three
dollars
to
support
operations,
programs
and
case
management
at
santa
fe
sweeps
community
solutions,
international
inc,
dba,
vincent's
legacy
llc.
A
We
have
cody
minich,
we
have
alexandra
ladd
and
we
also
have
edward
archuleta
here.
I
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
to
put
this
on
discussion
really
to
have
the
team
talk
about
the
model
of
santa
fe
suites
and
identify
how
this
has
been
going.
What
this
is
looking
like,
as
we
continue
to
move
forward,
we
know
that
there
has
been
discussions
around
this
model
as
part
of
the
solution
to
how
we
work
with
homelessness
in
our
community
and
how
we
can
really
be
providing
supportive
housing.
A
So
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
the
floor
over
to
the
team.
If
you
guys
just
want
to
give
me
some
information
about
or
give
us
some
information
about,
santa
fe
suites,
what
how
things
are
moving,
how
things
are
going,
what's
been
working,
what
we've
needed
to
adjust
and
what
things
are
looking
like
on
the
floor
on
the
ground,
I
will
let
you
guys
decide
who
is
best
to
answer
this
question.
A
Madam
chair.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee.
This
is
a
really
great
opportunity
to
talk
about
this
project,
because
this
is
pretty
innovative
and
we
haven't
done
done
this
before,
even
though
it
seems
like
it
should
be
obvious
right.
How
do
you
end
homelessness?
You
provide
housing,
and
yet
that
hasn't
been
the
way
that
homelessness
has
been
addressed
in
in
the
past
and
we're
not
alone
in
doing
as
many
communities
across
the
country
are
starting
to
figure
out
this
piece.
A
A
It's
the
umbrella
organization
for
the
built
for
xero
initiative,
which
looks
at
using
data
and
a
binding
list
to
end
homelessness,
which
helps
with
keeping
folks
both
in
a
system
but
connected
to
various
pieces
of
a
system,
because
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
hardest
pieces
of
of
working
with
unhoused
people
is
that
they're
not
in
a
place.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
let
cody
speak
to
any
of
the
funding
questions
you
might
have,
and
then
edward
archuleta
I'd
like
him
to
speak
to
actually
how
things
are
going
at
the
suites.
A
What
how
this
funding
will
be
used
to
augment
and
support
the
work
there,
and
I
do
want
to
just
clarify
that
santa
fe
suites
is
not
a
hundred
percent
housing
for
homeless.
It's
about
a
third
set
aside
for
folks
who
are
either
experiencing
homelessness,
have
recently
experienced
homelessness
or
just
would
be
homeless.
If
they
couldn't
live
there,
and
it
is
in
the
context
of
cares
act
funding
it
is.
A
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselors
yeah.
So
this
is
their
second
round
of
cares,
act
and
it's
entitled
to
our
cdbg
grant.
So
we
have
a
581
thousand
333
dollars
and
yeah.
Of
course,
the
city's
been
involved
with
santa
fe
suite
from
the
get-go
and
such
an
amazing
program,
but
the
continued
success
of
it
really
relies
on
building
out
the
capacity
of
it
and
really
supporting
this
permanent
supportive
housing
model.
C
A
Thank
you,
cody
and
edward.
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
today.
If
you
can
just
provide
some
more
information
generally
on
how
things
have
been
going
at
santa
fe
suites,
what
you've
been
seeing,
how
many
people
are
we
housing?
How
many
people
are
on
that
wait
list.
I
Thank
you,
man
and
chairs
city
councilors,
I'd
like
to
begin
by
saying
thank
you
to
the
city
of
santa
fe
for
this
governing
body
to
the
staff
of
the
office
of
affordable
housing,
we're
giving
st
elizabeth
the
opportunity
to
manage
santa
fe
suites,
I'm
the
executive
director
of
st
elizabeth.
We
have
five
facilities,
five
separate
facilities
around
town.
We
have
two
shelters.
We
have
the
men's
shelter
on
alaric
street,
which
most
everybody
knows
about.
We
have
casa
familia,
which
is
both
single
women
and
families
on
berry
avenue,
and
then
we
have
three
supportive
housing
projects.
I
We
took
over
the
saturday
suites
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
with
six
weeks
notice.
Thank
you
alex,
but
let
me
tell
you
it
really.
It's
turned
into
a
great
success.
We
still
have
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
mainly
with
encampments
around
the
property.
I
We
need
to
get
better
security
going
on
down
there,
there's
a
lot
of
drug
activity,
unfortunately
with
folks
in
the
encampments
going
back
and
forth
between
the
suites,
but
otherwise
we
it's
going
great.
We
have
two.
We
have
quite
a
few
staff.
We
have
two
co-program
managers,
we
have
a
housing
navigator,
we
have
a
licensed
therapist.
We
have
two
lysine
agent,
two
of
leasing
agents.
We
have
a
maintenance
person
and
a
resident
manager
we're
in
the
process
now
of
hiring
a
behavioral
health
crisis,
clinician
and
a
peer
support
worker.
I
So
the
key
to
really
getting
people
getting
the
homeless
off
the
streets
and
getting
the
house
is
to
have
the
support
of
wraparound
services.
You
can
put
somebody
into
housing,
but
if
you
forget
about
them,
they're
gonna
be
back
on
the
streets
or
back
in
the
shelter
guaranteed
with
probably
within
a
year
before
I
became
director
of
st
elizabeth.
I
We
started
out
it's
supposed
to
be
like
50
50,
the
numbers
buried
all
over
the
place,
but
right
now
we
have
taken
out
taken
about
90,
homeless,
formerly
homeless,
folks
off
the
streets
and
housed
them
and
they're
working
with
the
staff
very
intensely
we
have
health
care
for
the
homeless
is,
has
an
office
there
now
an
exam
room,
so
folks
don't
even
have
to
go
see
a
doctor.
The
doctor
comes
to
see
them
for
the
nurse
practitioner.
I
We
have
aa
meetings,
n
a
meetings.
We
have
art
therapy,
we
have
group
therapy,
we've
got
it's
amazing.
We've
got
the
staff
recovery
center
comes
in
and
just
classes
there
meets
the
folks.
We've
got
the
mountain
center
coming
to
meet
with
folks.
It
really
is,
it
could
be.
An
example
should
be
an
example
of
how
to
run
a
supportive
housing
program.
I
I
testified
this
last
legislative
session
between
this
before
the
legislature
and
told
them
you
guys
if
you
want
to
come
and
see
how
to
get
people
off
the
streets
and
get
a
house
and
keep
them
keep
them
housed,
come
to
the
santa
fe
suites
and
take
a
look-
and
you
know
they
were
pretty
amazing.
Like
wow,
we
really
got
to
go
check
this
place
out.
So
I'm
really
proud
of
the
work
that
my
staff
has
done.
I've
got
an
incredible
staff
over
there
and
I'm
really
proud
of
the
work.
A
Thank
you
so
much
councillor,
lee
garcia.
E
Thank
you
for
all
your
great
work.
It's
such
a
beautiful
thing
to
see
people
working
for
those,
that's
fortunate
and
that
need
help,
and
you
know
I
I
guess
my
question
would
be
is
how
do
you
guys
establish
them?
E
The
people
that
are
that
you're
moving
out
into
how
into
out
of
your
sit
out
of
their
situation
into
a
stable
environment
where
they
have
jobs
where
they're
able
to
be
self-sustaining,
because
I
think
that's,
the
bottom
line
is
once
they
leave
from
from
your
care.
E
I
I
Madam
chairs
yeah
the
outreach
case
now.
If
somebody
moves
out
of
the
santa
fe
suites
into
their
own
place,
the
outreach
manager
will
follow
up
with
them
to
see
if
they
need
further
services.
So
we
still
keep.
We
still
keep
tabs
on
them
even
after
they
leave
one
of
our
programs
if
they
want
services.
E
Yeah,
and
also
while
they're
with
you,
is
there
any
kind
of
jobs,
training
or
maybe
funneling,
you
know,
or
working
with
other
businesses
in
the
community.
Who
could
be
potential
employers
to
them
that
could
get
them
on
their
way
to.
I
I
The
housing
navigators
which
are
basically
case
managers
will
work
with
folks
to
get
them
to
help
them
get
employment.
We
also
have
on
staff,
at
the
main,
the
men's,
shelter,
a
social
security,
disability
specialist.
So
anybody
who
comes
into
any
of
our
programs
is
disabled.
We
will
do
all
their
social
security
paperwork
for
them
to
get
them
either.
Ssi.
E
Or
ssdi,
thank
you.
I
just
kind
of
again
yeah.
I
know
when,
when
you
say
how
do
we,
how
do
we
solve
this
issue?
This
problem,
this
issue
that
we're
having
with
those
that
are
on
that
are
homeless.
The
people
that
are
in
house
and
just
putting
them
in
in
a
facility
is
without
any
services
provided
to
them,
and
I
appreciate
your
your
work
with.
E
That
is
actually
solving
the
problem
that
we
have
is
getting
them
on
their
journey
to
being
self-sustaining
and
contributing
to
our
community
and
contributing
to
our
employment
issues
that
we're
having
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
you
know,
maybe
their
dependency
on
alcohol
dependency
on
drugs
and
mental
illness,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
once
again
I
do
I
do.
E
Thank
you
guys
for
the
work
that
you're
doing
and-
and
I
think
your
comments
about
having
a
good
structure
for
them
is,
is
really
important
and
I
think
we
need
more
facilities
lectures.
Thank
you.
B
I
just
wanted
to
share
my
appreciation.
I
loved
hearing.
You
talk
about
wrap
around
services
in
my
past
community
work,
I
would
always
say:
they're
gonna
keep
needing
resources
if
we
don't
set
them
up
to
not
need
them
anymore,
and
so
with
everything
you
described.
Just.
Thank
you
so
much.
It
does
sound
like
an
example
that
should
be
followed,
and
I
appreciate
you
having
that
here
in
santa
fe-
that's
really
exciting.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
D
Cry
sometimes
just
because
it's
work
that
goes
unseen
and
I'll.
I
mean
a
lot
of
your
colleagues
too
that
work
in
the
work
you
do,
and
I
just
praise
you-
and
I
just
really
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
I
just
yeah
I've
known
it
a
long
time
so
when
I
see
him
in
this
position
and
then
taking
on
more
and
then
being
a
partner
with
us
for
santa
fe
suites,
it's
so
important,
and
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
that
I
appreciate.
A
D
A
I
There's
well
there's
120
apartments
and
there's
probably
about
130
individuals,
because
there's
some
there's
some
couples
and
there's
a
couple
of
single
parents
with
children
which
isn't
the
best
place
for
children,
because,
first
of
all,
the
units
are
very
small
they're
only
about
300
square
feet,
they're
small
efficiencies.
You
have
full
kitchens,
though,
and
full
bathroom,
but
it's
a
combination,
living
room
living
room
bedroom
by
the
way
you
if
any
of
you
would
ever
like
the
tour
of
the
place.
I
Just
give
me
a
call
and
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
give
you
a
personal
tour
of
the
place.
So
there's
probably
130
people
there
right
now
and,
like
I
said
about
90
of
them
came
off
the
streets
or
from
shelters
or
living
in
their
cars
or
couchsurfing
or
whatever.
I
I
Of
our
singles
there's
a
few
couples
on
there.
It's
a
huge
wait
list,
but
there
is
a
turn.
There's
you
know
fairly.
You
know
rapid
turnover
on
some
of
the
places
you
do
background
checks
on
everybody
and
if
somebody
has
a
very
violent,
you
know
a
history
of
violence
or
a
lot
of
you
know,
drug
trafficking
or
something
like
that,
we'll
interview
them
or
the
staff
there
will
interview
them
to
see
if
they
think
that
they're
suitable
for
the
place
and
there's
there's
a
few
that
we
need
to
turn
down.
I
Unfortunately,
like
I
said,
the
biggest
problem
we
have
right
now
is
drug
use,
drug
trafficking,
people
coming
and
going
and
we're
trying
to
correct
it.
You
know
we're
working
with
the
city
police
department
with
security,
the
staff,
but
it's
a
big
issue.
You
know
the
reason
that
a
lot
of
folks
are
homeless
out
on
the
streets
is
because
of
substance
abuse.
As
we
all
know,
that's
that's
the
number
one
reason
in
my
opinion
by
a
lot
of
these
folks,
like
you
see
on
surreal
road,
it's
really
sad.
I
What's
going
on
out
there,
we
try
to
help
them.
We
won't
take
anybody
in
our
shelters
if
they're
actively
using,
but
we
still
help
them.
They
still
come
to
the
door.
Not
wanting
food.
I
Century
space
is
a
housing
first
model,
so
they
can.
They
can
use
there
as
long
as
it's
they
maintain,
quote,
unquote
maintained,
but
if
they're
actively
using
drinking
or
using
and
they're
behaving
they're
not
causing
any
trouble,
that's
fine.
I
You
know
we
want
them
to
stay
housed
the
case
managers
and
the
therapists
will
work
with
them
to
try
to
get
them
the
help
that
they
need.
But
the
number
one
thing
is
to
get
them
off
the
streets
first
and
then
deal
with
their
issues,
but
if
they
start
causing
trouble
if
they're
drug
trafficking
or
if
they're
you
know
making
a
lot
of
noise
or
fighting
or
anything
like
that,
then
they're
out
of
there.
Unfortunately,.
A
I
really
I
do
appreciate
the
that
housing
first
model
and
the
ability
for
those
case
managers
to
build
that
truck,
that
relationship
with
individuals,
because
after
you
know,
as
council,
travis
will
frequently
discuss
a
lot
of
this
routes
back
to
trauma,
and
so
there's
trust
issues,
and
so
the
ability
for
them
to
build
those
relationships
is
really
really
crucial.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
really
appreciate
it
and.
A
You
know,
as
you've
mentioned,
this
has
been
successful.
You've
seen
some
turnover
and
I'm
hoping
that
some
of
that
turnover
is
people
essentially
being
able
to
move
into
more
independent
housing.
Is
that,
where
we're
seeing
more
turnover,
is
that
frequently
more
individuals
not
being
able
to
stay?
I'm.
I
I
So
if
somebody
qualifies
to
get
into
housing
somewhere
else,
they
they
help
them
get
into
other
housing.
So
others
come,
you
know,
can
move
in
off
the
streets.
So
it's
not.
If
they
want
to
stay
there
permanently,
they
can.
But
if
they
qualify
for
another
program,
we
work
to
get
them
somewhere
else
and.
I
I
A
Appreciate
the
work
and
really
being
willing
to
take
on
this
model,
I
know
that
all
of
our
organizations
in
the
city
that
are
working
on
this
issue
are
pretty
stretched,
then
that
there
is
not
enough
staff
in
general
working
in
this
field
right
now,
and
so
it
is
really
just
incredible.
The
work
that
you're
doing
so.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
Thank.
A
I
see
you
standing
as
if
there
was
something
to
say.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
the
council
approved
funding,
as
recommended
by
the
community
development
commission
through
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund,
to
help
make
improvements
to
the
property,
including
a
fence
and
some
equipment
for
cameras
and
more
security.
A
So
when
we
talk
to
edward
again
in
six
months,
maybe
that
problem
will
be
somewhat
alleviated
all
right,
wonderful,
good,
glad
to
hear
well,
thank
you
so
much
and
we'll
definitely
want
to
be
continuing
to
get
updates
on
some
of
these
models
and
how
they're
working.
I
think
that
it
is
really
helpful,
as
we
continue
to
look
at
the
issues
of
homelessness
of
housing
and
security
in
our
community.
A
So
thank
you
to
all
of
you
for
really
being
willing
to
be
innovative
and
and
try
these
these
new
solutions,
and
if
there
are
no
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
committee,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
move.
B
C
D
A
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
no
executive
session.
Any
matters
from
staff
director
brown.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
motion
to
move.
I'm
still
thinking
about
me
saying
that
anyway
long
day,
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
all
know.
Last
night
at
our
community
health
and
safety
task
force
meeting,
we
had
a
presentation
by
an
expert
panel
from
different
communities,
and
it
was
about
overdose
prevention
and
overdose
prevention,
centers
that
are
now
existing
that
are
coming
up
in
different
jurisdictions
and
it's
essentially
allowing
for
people
to
use
in
centers
in
a
safe
environment,
and
it
was
fascinating.
I
learned
so
much.
I
was
like
wow.
D
This
is
amazing
about
what's
happening
and
then
just
kind
of
like
what
what
was
the
pushback
for
them
in
getting
it
approved
and
just
really
amazing,
panelists
and
their
knowledge
on
the
topics.
So
I
encourage
you
to
look
on
our
website.
There
is
a
community
health
and
safety
task
force
page
that
has
all
our
meetings.
D
I
don't
know
if
that's
this
one
is
uploaded
yet
because
we
just
had
it
this
week.
But
if
you
want
to
see
it,
I
think
it's
probably
uploaded
and
julie
has
the
zoom
recording.
But
I
just
learned
so
much
and
it
actually
made
me
excited
thinking
about
ways
that
people
have
addictions
and
how
to
manage
that,
but
also
put
them
in
a
safe
environment
where
people
are
able
to.
D
I
don't
even
know
it's
not
even
about
promoting
someone's
addiction,
it's
about
really
trying
to
help
them
so
that
we're
saving
lives
and
that
there's
ways
that
people,
if
they're,
going
to
use
that
they
do
it
correctly
and
then
there's
also
this
rehabilitation
piece
too.
So
I
encourage
you
to
watch
it.
It
is
long,
but
it
was
amazing.
D
So
just
want
to
share
that
with
you,
and
I
can
just
let
you
know
when
we
do
have
panel
discussions
that
you
should
maybe
that's
relevant
to
quality
of
life
and
the
discussions
we
have
and
so
just
wanted
to
ping
that,
for
you
all.