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A
I
think
we're
on
yes,
webinar
is
now
being
streamed.
Yes,.
A
You
good,
no,
I'm
not
a
co-host
yet
okay,
so
for
the
members
of
the
public
who
might
be
watching
this
as
we
go,
live
we've
had
some
technical
difficulties
this
evening.
It's
taken
us
about
a
half
an
hour
to
straighten
them
out.
We
are,
in
the
final
throws
of
being
able
to
start
the
meeting
so
bear
with
us.
A
B
A
Am
here
as
well
all
right,
so
we
have
at
least
one
change
to
the
agenda
item
eight
b,
the
presentation
on
early
childhood
care
in
santa
fe.
We
will
be
taking
off
tonight
and
we
will
push
that
to
a
future
meeting
and
then
are
there
other
changes
from
staff
and
or
from
the
committee.
A
D
C
Did
hear
there
was
some
changes
and
the
agenda
that
had
been
published
for
at
least
over
the
weekend
was
kind
of
wonky
in
the
sense
that
the
task
force
resolution
was
item
4a,
which
I'm
now
seeing
as
item
4c
or
6c.
So
we're
going
off
of
the
version
that
says
6c
correct
for
the
the
task
force.
A
Yeah,
so
that
that
was
not
the
issue
that
has
always
been
on
the
agenda.
As
far
as
I
know,
the
issue
was,
there
was
the
santa
fe
recovery
center.
There
was
an
item
on
about
the
santa
fe
recovery
center
was
on
the
it
was
inadvertently
added
to
the
agenda,
I'm
not
sure
when
over
the
weekend
early
in
the
week-
and
it
is
not-
the
item
is
not
ready
until
our
december
meeting,
and
so
it
was
taken
off.
So
if
anybody
saw
that
item
we're
removing
it
tonight
that
that's
that's
the
change.
C
Okay,
but
but
it
still
didn't
address
the
kind
of
the
agenda
like
I
said
that
I
had
been
working
off
of
this
for
for
the
past
couple
days.
There
is
not
a
4a
which
now
has
a
6
c,
which
wasn't
in
the
prior
agenda
at
least
the
one
I
was
working
off
the
past
couple
days.
6C
is
the
extend
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force
just
to
make
sure
that
that
that,
with
the
public's
following
along
with
the
new,
if
they're,.
C
C
C
A
A
Okay,
councilwoman
cassid,
I
think,
are
you
flagging
me.
F
Down
yeah,
sorry,
I
don't
I
don't
know
why.
Sometimes
I
switch
between
the
virtual
and
the
real
hand.
I
would
like
to
pull
item
c.
Please.
A
A
Second,
second,
all
right:
we
have
a
motion
from
councilwoman
cassid,
a
second
from
counselor
rivera
to
approve
the
consent
agenda
as
amended
if
we
could
get
a
roll
call
on
that.
Please
councilwoman
cassette!
Yes,.
C
A
A
All
right,
then,
finally,
one
more
approval
of
the
october
20th
minutes
of
this
committee.
Are
there
changes
from
the
staff
or
the
committee
councilwoman
via
rail?
Thank
you,
madam.
G
Chair
for
item
b
in
the
minutes
the
legislative
priorities
resolution,
it
was
not
voted
on
as
presented
the
way
it
says
in
the
notes.
In
the
minutes
it
was
pulled
for
discussion
and
then
amendments.
I
I
presented
amendments
and
then
we
voted
on
that
item
as
amended
right.
G
A
I
think
you
can
do
what
you
just
did,
which
is
to
say
what
it
should
say
and
then
that
is
what
we
would
be
jesse.
Do
you
want
to
guide
us
on
this?
Do
you
know.
D
Madam
chair
counselor,
you
can
make
the
amendments
and
those
will
be
then
incorporated
later,
so
this
doesn't
need
to
come
back.
A
G
B
A
A
A
Thank
you
all
right
now
we
are
on
to
item
six
c,
which
was
pulled
from
consent.
It's
a
resolution
sponsored
by
councillor
rivera
councilwoman,
villarreal,
a
resolution
updating
the
terms
of
resolution
number
2021-17
to
extend
the
community
health
and
safety
task
force
term
through
the
end
of
the
calendar
year,
2022
and
councilwoman
cassette.
You
pulled
this
item.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
also
wanted
to
follow
up
a
bit
on
our
conversation
that
we
had
in
finance.
You
know
I
was
able
to
see
the
update
to
the
resolution,
but
I
think
better
understanding
the
work
that's
been
done
and
then
the
proposal
for
how
the
work
is
moving
forward
would
be
really
helpful.
F
For
me
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
extension
and
the
conversation
about
you
know,
what's
been
kind
of
some
of
the
conversation
that
I
know,
I've
heard
from
the
chairs
of
the
committee
some
of
the
challenges
that,
because
of
our
coveted
life,
have
come
and
with
lack
of
staff,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
I
guess
I
would
like
to.
F
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
to
get
the
presentation
but
to
have
this
conversation
more
in
context
of
what's
happened
and
where
it's,
where
the
proposal
is
to
be
going
and
whether
there
are
other
pieces
of
the
structure
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
to
to
make
sure
that
the
work
is
happening
in
a
way
that
is
suited
to
our
current
conditions.
Does
that
that
make
all
sense?
F
F
I
guess
I
guess
my
I
guess
my
request
is
still
that
I
prefer
to
see
the
presentation
and
then
bring
this
back
to
committee
to
have
discussions
on
during
committee.
You
know
looking
at
this
and
and
really
discussing
how
this
work
is,
is
planning
on
moving
forward
during
the
committee
process
as
opposed
to
govern
during
the
governing
body
process,
and
I
guess
without
seeing
the
presentation,
I
don't
want
to
be
like
working
on
this
on
the.
A
So
I
think
yeah
what
you
had
recommended
that
we
do
in
finance
is
hear
the
presentation
first
and
then
bring
this
through.
So
I
don't
know
where
we
are.
Do
we
have
the
present
or
is
the
presentation
going
to
be
scheduled
at
the
november
city
council
meeting
because
we
weren't
sure
on
monday
you're
I'm
seeing
a
yes
shaking.
H
I
think
that's
been
requested
that
we
have
the
presentation
I
sent
an
email
to
christine
that
it
be
on
the
agenda
for
the
november
10th
meeting.
A
Okay
and
and
then
I
think,
as
we
talked
about
in
finance
and
what
councilwoman
cassette's
talking
about,
is
that
there
would
still
be
time
after
that,
for
it
to
come
back
to
quality
of
life,
and
then
we
would
he.
We
would
actually
act
on
the
resolution.
In
the
december
meeting.
H
I
I
think
it
could
go
a
multiple
of
different
ways,
so
I
think
it
could
go
the
way.
Councilwoman
cassid
envisions
it
or
it
could
be
heard
all
on
one
night,
and
if
there
are
a
significant
amount
of
questions,
then
we
can
put
it
through
back
through
the
committee
process.
H
F
Yeah
I
mean
and
that's
exactly
it
and
I
think
that
that's
the
hard
part
here
is
being
asked
to
vote
on
this
in
committee
and,
as
you
said,
with
the
presentation,
will
help
make
it
more
sense
help
help
things.
Why
can't
I
talk
today?
I'm
so
sorry,
I'm
really
tired.
Today,
everybody,
the
presentation,
will
help.
F
You
know
clarify
how
we
are
moving
forward,
and
so
I
think
that's
why
I'm
struggling
with
voting
on
this
in
the
committees,
because
the
presentation
hasn't
hasn't
occurred,
and
so
it
feels
a
little
bit
nebulous
that
I
don't
quite
know
exactly
what
I'm
voting
for,
and
so
that's
that's
where
my
concern
has
come
from.
Mostly
is
just
wanting
that
additional
information
that
my
understanding
is
coming
from
the
presentation.
H
Yeah-
and
I
think
that's
why
the
decision.
Sorry,
madam
chair,
that's
why
the
decision
to
move
forward
without
a
recommendation
came
at
finances
that
that
might
be
a
concern,
but
if
there
are
significant
amount
of
questions
or
concerns
after
the
the
presentation,
then
that
recommendation
could
always
be
made
that
you
know
we
go
back
through
the
process
and
then
hear
it
in
december
and
again
that
was
that
was
my
this.
That
was
my
sort
of
recommendation
to
the
committee.
Is
that
that's
the
way
we
proceed?
It
made
sense
in
my
mind.
H
So
that's
that's
the
way.
I
thought
we
should
go,
but
you
know
it
could
it
could
end
up
coming
back.
I
guess
so.
F
Okay,
I
mean
I,
I
I'm
fine
with
that.
I
just
didn't
want
to
get
to
a
place
where
you
know
it
makes
it
all
the
way
through
committee
we
get
to
governing
body
and
then
there's
questions,
and
then
you
know,
perhaps
I
request
to
send
it
back
to
committee
without
understanding
you
know.
Well,
we
sent
it
all
the
way
through
committee,
so
I
am
fine
with
that.
If
that's
you
know
the
understanding
of
of
especially
the
two
of
you
who
are
doing
the
challenging
work
of
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
this.
F
You
know
cohesive
and
productive,
and
I
know
there's
been
a
number
of
challenges,
so
I
think
that
was
my
bigger
concern.
Is
I
didn't
want
it
to
get
to
governing
body
and
then,
if
there
were
questions
after
the
presentation
and
request
to
send
back
to
the
committee
process,
that
that
understanding
that
that's,
why
I
didn't
just
pass
it
on
consent
at
this
time.
H
Yeah
and
the
reason
to
really
extend
is
really
to
continue
with
the
community
engagement
piece
and
again.
I
think
the
presentation
will
is
going
to
focus
on
on
that
specifically,
so
I
think
it
will
demonstrate
the
importance
of
the
community
engagement,
which
I
think
we're
all
we've
all
mentioned
before,
and
give
an
outlined
plan
or
detail
of
how
we
plan
to
move
forward.
F
F
Okay,
other
questions
on
this.
A
A
A
So
it
would
come
back
through
the
committees
or
a
committee
or
two
whatever
and
then
come
back
for
action
in
december
if,
if
counselors
aren't
comfortable
passing
it
after,
they
hear
the
presentation
in
november
on
november,
10th
jesse,
you
have
your
hand
up
to
maybe
to
help
us.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
counselors.
I
believe
that
the
procedural
rules
state
that
an
in
order
to
get
on
the
governing
body
agenda.
It
has
to
be
approved
by
one
committee,
the
no
recommendation
that
finance
does
not
count
as
a
as
an
approval.
So
at
this
point,
if
it
either
is
denied
here
postponed
or
no
recommendation
here,
it
won't
be
on
next
week's
agenda.
H
H
A
Because
I
still
think
we
passed
it
right,
we
just
passed
it
without
recommendation,
so
yeah.
I'm
writing
a
note
to
get,
and
of
course
we
don't
have
the
city
attorney's
office
here.
So
I,
but
I'm
writing
a
note,
because
I
I
I
feel
like
it's
going
because
we
did
approve
it.
We
just
approved
it
without
it's
not
that
it's
not
that
we
didn't
take
action.
We
did
take
action.
We
just
said
no
recommendation.
Okay,
but
I
I
think
the
idea
here
is
that.
F
Thanks
I
this
may
not
matter
I
was.
I
was
wondering
if
we
want
to
move
forward
and
make
sure
that
it's
on
the
discussion
agenda,
but
you
know
it's
easy
to
pull
things
off.
Will
there
be
a
powerpoint
of
the
presentation
included
in
the
packet
material,
so
we'll
be
able
to
see
those
ahead
of
time?
Okay,
then
it's
fine.
I
can
pull
it
off
consent.
If
I,
if
I
feel
the
need
to
pull
it
off
consent,
then
so
that's
I'm
not
sure
it
matters
where
you
go.
That
was
my
only
question.
F
G
G
G
Obviously,
if
people
don't
like
the
direction
that
we're
going,
then
we
don't
want
to
keep
doing
the
work,
because
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
committee
members
volunteering
their
time.
So
obviously,
if
there's
things
that
don't
give
you
consternation,
then
obviously
we
wouldn't
want
to
keep
it
going,
but
I
think
you'll
see
that
you
know
there's
been
work
that
we've
done.
G
That
really
has
helped
to
kind
of
like
first
gel
the
group
so
that
we
are
all
on
the
same
page
with
guiding
principles
and
then
being
able
to
move
forward
in
our
working
groups
that
we
established
and
then
deciding
like
areas
that
we
wanted
to
to
consider
and
review
and
evaluate.
So
there's
been
a
lot
and
then
we've
had
a
lot
of
presentations
that
have
been
given
to
us.
G
So
some
of
our
meetings
have
only
consisted
of
presentations,
so
yeah
there's
there's
a
lot
and
then
we've
had
changes
so
of
our
our
makeup
and
you
know
changes
with
switching
out
the
or
the
sorry,
the
our
res,
our
facilitator,
who
finished
her
term,
and
then
we
got
a
new
facilitator.
So
all
that
being
said,
I
think
that
that'll
be
helpful
for
you
to
see
that
because
we
don't
want
to
move
forward
either
and
extend
the
time
period.
If
you
don't
want
us
to
do
it.
G
So
the
one
thing
I
did
want
to
note
for
adjustments
for
the
fir
is:
there's
a
there's
in
the
section
that
says:
consequences
for
not
enacting
the
legislation.
G
There's
a
sentence
that
says:
staff
is
not
aware
which
duties
and
responsibilities
have
have
been
completed
to
date
and
that's
incorrect,
because
jennifer
fabian
actually
knew
where
we
were
heading
in
terms
of
duties
and
responsibilities,
and
then
she
left.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
staff
were
referring
referring
to
on
that
sentence.
G
But
I
don't
think
it's
it's
accurate
to
say
that
I
don't
know
how
else
you
want
to
state
that,
but
I
don't
think
it's
accurate,
because
jennifer
was
our
staff
and
she
knew
which
direction
we
were
going
and
then
the
other
correction
is
the
fir
the
expenditure
narrative.
It
says
the
first
contract
for
facilitation
for
10
000
was
expended
in
april.
That's
incorrect.
It
was
expended
and
completed
in
june
of
2021
and
then
the
current
contract
for
facilitation
started
up
in
september.
G
So
there's
a
period
of
time
from
june
to
september
that
we
did
not
have
a
facilitator,
because
we
had
to
wait
through
the
procurement
process
and
scope
of
work
stuff.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
So
you
all
know
this,
like
time
period
that
we
had
to
make
adjustments
and
so
I'd
like
that
corrected
and
I
think
that's
it
on
the
fire.
A
Ochoa
has
popped
in.
Did
you
want
to
respond
to
that?
Did
you
unders?
Did
you
get
that
or
I
I
wonder
if
this
is
something
you
guys
should
work
on
offline,
just
to
make
sure
that
it's
an
accurate
reflection
of
since
I
think
the
fir
is
being
prepared
by
people
who
haven't
been
staffing?
The
committee
to
your
point,
because
jennifer
was.
A
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry
counselor
rivera
you.
You
were
starting
to
say
something.
H
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
say
on
on
that
point.
Just
like
this
committee
hasn't
had
a
staff
person
assigned
to
it.
We
were
in
a
time
frame
where
we
were
under
those
same
circumstances
with
really
her
being
the
only
staff
person
that
really
knew
and
understood
what
we
were
doing
so
losing
her
was
was
big
just
like
for
this
committee,
so
I'm
sure
everyone's
aware
of
that,
but
just
wanted
to
make
that
point.
A
C
A
A
D
Jesse,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselors.
So
the
the
exact
wording,
the
procedural
rules
is
approved
for
recommendation.
I
think,
but
I
texted
you
that
so
no
recommendation,
I
don't
think,
qualifies
as
approval.
So
if
this
is
intended
to
go
on
next
week's
agenda,
then
it
will
need
something
other
than
a
no
recommendation.
A
All
right,
but
I
think
that
the
motion
and
the
second
was
for
no
recommendation
and
counselor
rivera
when
they
called
your
name.
You
weren't
on
your
zoom
box,
so
I
was
just
giving
you
a
chance
to
say.
Yes,
if
you
wanted
to.
H
I
want
to
make
sure
it
gets
on
council
and,
according
to
what
jesse
just
said,
there
may
be
some
question
as
to
whether
that
happens,
or
not
so
I'll
have
to
vote
no
on
that.
Okay,.
C
A
Well,
I
think
we
have,
I,
I
think
we
think
we're
moving
it
forward
without
recommendation,
but
I
I
there
seems
jesse's
raising
a
question
about
whether
that's
what
we're
really
doing,
but
I
think
that's
what
we
think
we're
doing
and
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second.
We
voted
unless
you,
I
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
how
we
back
out
of
this.
H
I'm
sure,
yes,
if
the
city
attorney
who's,
not
here
tonight,
concurs
with
jesse's
recommendation,
then
we're
in
a
predicament
where
it's
not
moving
forward.
Well,.
A
H
That's
kind
of
going
about
it
in
the
sneaky
way,
in
my
opinion,
but
councilwoman
cassid
has
a
question.
Yes,
she
does.
C
F
A
I
mean
it
was
part
of
the
motion
again.
That
would
be
my
argument.
I
think
we
think
we're
moving
it
forward
without
recommendation.
I
think
we
do
have
a
a
question
longer
term.
A
Counselor
cassidy
your
hands
still
up.
I
apologize
all.
F
D
Okay
last
time,
thank
you,
madam
chair
and
counselor.
So
let
me
just
read
directly
from
the
procedure
rules
and
then
you
can
make
of
it.
What
you
will
no
item
shall
be
placed
on
the
agenda
unless
it
has
gone
through
the
committee
review
process
and
been
recommended
for
approval
by
at
least
one
city
committee.
D
Well,
as
it
applies
to
this
committee,
there,
it
doesn't,
but
unless
otherwise
approved
by
a
majority
vote
of
the
entire
governing
body
or
in
accordance
with
a
three
of
these
rules,
which
is
emergency
issues.
So
you
could
vote
to
approve
it
or
to
get
it
on
the
agenda
governing
body,
which
just
means
it
would
be
on
the
december
agenda.
D
D
A
Well
that
I
I
mean
my
argument
would
be
that
we're
at
we're
saying
we're
putting
it
on
the
agenda.
That
is
clearly
our
intent
without
recommendation,
because
we
don't
know
we
haven't
seen
this
presentation
yet
and
there.
I
think
there
is
a
larger
issue
which
we
need
to
clarify,
but
I
think
our
intent
tonight
is
to
move
this
forward.
H
And
excuse
me,
madam
chair.
A
H
A
A
Right
is
there
a
second
to
reconsider
exactly
right,
so
we
have
a
motion
to
reconsider.
We
have
a
second.
We
now
need
to
take
a
vote
on
reconsidering
the
motion
that
just
passed
moving
this
forward
without
recommendation.
If
we
could
get
a
roll
call
on
that,
councilman
cassette.
G
A
A
F
I
understand
we're
about
to
pass
this
and
I
I
get
that
we
have
to
do
it
to
put
it
on
the
agenda,
but
I
just
I
really
don't
feel
great
about
having
to
pass
something
that
I
haven't
received,
all
the
information
for,
so
I'm
I'm
struggling
here
and
it's
and
I
understand
that
part
of
it's
some
of
our
procedural
rules.
But
but
you
know
I
and
I
understand
to
to
move
the
process
forward.
F
I
I
will
go
ahead
and
vote
yes,
just
in
that
sense,
but
I'm
not
pleased
with
having
to
make
but
to
make
that
vote,
and
I
think
it
is
something
that
we
need
to
look
at
with
our
procedural
rules
as
well.
So
just
a
note
to
selves
that
something
for
us
to
to
consider.
F
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
on
the
record.
Thank
you.
H
I'm
good
chris
yeah
I'll
make
a
motion
for
approval,
with
the
understanding
that
it
may
come
back
through
the
committee
process.
I
will
say
that,
but
just
want
to
get
it
on
on
the
council
agenda,
so
move
for
approval.
Second,.
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion,
a
second
for
approval
of
this
bill.
Can
we
get
a
roll
call
on
that?
Please
councilwoman
cassette.
C
A
A
A
A
Sorry
primegov
in
the
total
amount
of
354
7555.98.
A
For
a
comprehensive
and
integrated
software
platform
for
santa
fe
fire
department
in
fiscal
22,
23,
24
and
25.-
and
we
have
andres
mercado
yes
here
for
this
great,
do
we
have
questions
on
this
item?
Is
there
a
presentation?
I'm
not
sure
why
this
was
put
on
discussion
here.
I
think
it
was
on
consent
at
the
last
meeting.
So
I
I
don't
know
why
it
got
put
here
again
we're
having
a
variety
of
issues
that
we
need
to
address
going
forward.
But
if
there's
no
presentation
are
there,
questions.
A
And
if
there
are
no
questions,
is
there
a
motion
councilwoman
via
rail
and
council?
Then
councillor
rivera.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair
just
wanted
to
say
this
was
a
very
comprehensive
proposal.
It
was
very
detailed,
so
it
sounds
like
you
all
are
getting
what
you
need
for
this
contract,
and
I
was
just
curious
because
I
read
through
the
rfp.
There
was
a
section
that
talked
about
desirable
features
that
you
were
hoping
to
get
through
in
the
rfp,
and
I
was
just
curious
if
you
all
were
able
to
get.
G
I
think
there
was
one
area
that
was
ability
to
connect
to
the
land
use
for
building
permits
and
access
to
the
international
fire
code
and
other
features,
and
I
was
just
curious
because
that
was
like
desirable.
It
wasn't
the
required-
and
I
was
just
curious
if
you
all
were
able
to
get
that
in
the
selected
company.
I
Chairwoman
counselor,
the
interface
between
energov
and
image
trend
would
require
some
discovery
to
determine
whether
that's
that's
that's
in
the
cards,
but
it
would
not
be
included
in
this
scope
of
work,
so
that
would
require
discovery
and
then
pricing
as
far
as
the
international
building
code
and
international
fire
code.
The
interface
is
part
of
the
scope
of
work
of
the
contract.
G
Thank
you,
mr
mercado,
and
I
don't
know
if
director
gonzalez
had
anything
to
share
because
he
just
popped
on.
G
No!
That's
so
strange!
We
can't
hear
you
that's
okay!
I
just
was
curious
because
I
think
overall,
the
requirements
that
you
all
asked
for,
I'm
pretty
sure
I'm
assuming
that
all
of
those
required
features
and
deliverables
were
part
of
the
the
firm's
contract
and
then
those
desirable
features
may
be
implemented
later
on.
Is
that
what.
I
That
which
I'm
hearing
her
woman
and
counselor
the
rfp
had
desirable
and
mandatory
the
contract
does
not
so
the
contract
does
not
talk
about
desirables,
it's
only
the
the
contractual
language.
So
that's
in
pages.
This
is
an
extremely
long
document.
I
Work
is
in
pages
202
through
205
of
that
document,
and
it
is
not
broken
down
into
mandatory
and
desirable.
So
we
have
identified
what
what
exactly
the
deliverables
are,
that
they
that
that
that
we
wanted
that
we
required
from
them
based
on
the
best
and
final
offer
and
all
the
contract
negotiations
and
what
was
reasonable,
great
good.
E
G
E
I
apologize
about
the
technical
difficulties
tonight.
It
will
work
with
the
city
clerk
to
make
sure
this
doesn't
happen
again,
but
on
your.
E
Then
interface
between
this
platform
and
intergov
that's
dependent
on
building
that
out
apis.
Once
we
get
this
platform
live,
we'll
build
out
application
program
interfaces,
so
it
does
communicate
with
intergovernment.
E
We'll
also
be
looking
for
this
platform
to
communicate
with
finn
muniz.
Also,
once
we
get
the
upgrade
and
fan
munis.
G
E
With
that,
madam
chair
councillor,
verarel
this,
this
platform
does
fall
into
our
erp
initiative.
G
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
a
fiscal
impact
report
that
anybody
saw
in
here.
I
German
counselor
the
there's,
not
a
fiscal
impact
report.
The
compensation
sheet
is
in
pages
218
through
220
of
the
document
right.
H
So
I'm
not
going
to
harp
on
this
too
bad
we've
we've
had
documents
come
up
to
the
governing
body
that
didn't
have
a
fiscal
impact
report
that
were
sent
back.
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen
to
you
so
when
emotions
made,
I
hope
that
it's
made
with
the
recommendation
that
a
fiscal
impact
report
be
provided
at
the
net
at
the
governing
body
meeting.
I
guess
when
it's
going
to
be
approved
or
considered.
H
A
Okay,
other
questions
from
the
committee.
G
F
A
I
I
wondered
that
myself,
whether
this.
H
Yeah,
sorry,
I
think
any
time
there's
you
know
money
involved,
there's
a
fiscal
impact
report
and
it's
usually
you
know
what
happens
if
if
we
don't
spend
this
money,
whether
the
you
know,
where
is
this
money
coming
from,
I
mean
different
things
like
that,
so
I
just
don't
want
to
get
to
governing
body
on
wednesday.
If
this
is
going
to
be
approved
on
wednesday
and
then
have
it
brought
up
then
and
then
have
that
be
a
delay.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
avoid
that
again.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
counselors.
Fiscal
impact
reports
are
only
for
legislation,
so
not
required
for
anything
else.
That
doesn't
mean
that
there
could
be
some
sort
of
other
document,
but
a
fiscal
impact
report
specifically
is
only
for
legislation.
A
H
But
it
doesn't
really
say
what
happens
if
we
don't
spend
it.
What
are
the
ramifications
if
we
don't,
if
we
decide
not
to
pass
it,
which
I
think
the
fiscal
impact
report
does
talk
about
it?
It
gives
a
little
bit
idea
of
you
know
what
what
might
happen
if
it
doesn't
go
forward,
but
it
did
doesn't
matter
me
again.
I
was
just
trying
to
save
this
from
coming
back,
but
if
it
doesn't
need
it,
then
it
doesn't
need
it.
G
A
A
H
Thanks
jesse,
so
you
said,
only
legislation
requires
a
fiscal
impact
report.
A
H
H
A
A
All
right,
we
will
go
to
presentations
now
we
have
hold
on
you
get
primegov.
We
have
julie
sanchez
here,
our
youth
and
family
services,
division
director
to
talk
about
the
guaranteed
income
projects
in
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
across
new
mexico,
and
I
believe
you
also
have
some
guests
here
julie.
So
if
you
want
to
introduce
them,
that'd
be
great.
J
I
will
good
morning
committee
members
or
good
morning,
good
evening
committee
members
good
evening
chair,
so
I
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
megan
mead
with
the
appleseed
new
mexico,
who
is
also
going
to
present
and
I'll
actually
have
megan
present
first
after
introducing
herself
so
go
ahead.
Megan.
K
Thanks
julie
good
evening,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
happy
to
be
here
this
evening.
I
my
name
is
megan
mead,
I'm
the
director
of
law
and
policy
for
new
mexico,
appleseed
poverty,
advocacy,
lab
and
julie.
Did
you
want
me
to
just
dive
into
my
presentation
or
do
okay,
so
appleseed
for
those
of
you
who
aren't
familiar
with
it?
We
work
at
this
system's
level,
working
with
communities
to
solve
complex
problems
of
liberty
at
the
systems
and
policy
level.
K
We
do
this
by
weaving
together
qualitative
data
from
the
community
with
economic
analysis
and
then
legal
and
policy,
research
to
design
anti-poverty
policies
and
one
of
our
portfolios
of
work
is
focused
on
family
economic
stability
and
so
we've
been
interested
in
guaranteed
income
and
cash
pilots
for
a
long
time
now,
having
seen
how
challenging
it
is
for
families
to
how
many
hoops
you
have
to
jump
through
to
access
the
safety
net
to
cobble
together
safety
net
that
you
need,
and
so
when
the
pandemic
started,
we
got.
K
We
received
a
sizable
grant
from
western
sky
foundation
and
we
decided
to
try
two
cache
pilots,
so
we
did
them
with
aps
in
las
cruces
las
cruces,
just
a
little
brief
background
on
terminology.
K
These
were
we
refer
to
these
as
conditional
cache
pilots,
because
the
participants
did
receive
well,
they
I'll
go
into
this
a
little
bit
more,
but
they
did
receive
monetary
compensation,
but
there
were
certain
conditions
they
had
to
meet
and
that's
different
than
a
guaranteed
income
program
and
which
is
entirely
free
of
conditions.
K
So
we
started
the
pilots
with
aps
in
las
cruces
in
summer
of
2020
in
june,
and
they
ran
for
about
four
months
and
the
aps.
Pilot
was
for
homeless
families
experiencing
homelessness,
who
had
a
high
school-aged
youth
in
las
cruces,
was
families
experiencing
homelessness,
who
had
a
rising
ninth
grader,
and
if
the
there
were,
the
conditions
varied
a
little
bit
between
the
two
different
sites,
but
they
did
have
to
attend
programming
in
the
summer
and
then
they
had
to
attend
school.
K
So
one
of
the
issues
that
comes
up
a
lot
with
cash
pilots
and
guaranteed
income
programs
are
this.
The
bet
you
may
have
heard
the
benefits
cliff.
So
when
you
give
somebody
money
all
of
a
sudden,
there
are
other
benefits,
take
a
nosedive.
So
to
avoid
this,
we
did.
We
either
did
directed
payments
where
families
would
tell
us
where
they
wanted
the
money
to
go
to
landlord
utilities.
A
lot
of
them
were
living
in
motels
or
we
did
establishment
specific
gift
cards
which
you
know
based
on.
K
Our
research
seemed
like
it
would
be,
wouldn't
count
as
income
and
that
that
seemed
to
work
fairly
well
by
the
end
of
the
program
in
las
cruces,
three
families
became
stably
housed.
We
don't
know
how
long
they
were
able
to
maintain
that
housing
stability
and
you
know,
given
the
short
duration
of
the
program.
You
know
there
were
three
months
in
las
cruces
and
four
months
in
aps.
There
might
be
not
be
highly
durable
effects,
but
that
was
promising
to
see
we
interviewed
about.
K
So
we
had
65
participants
between
the
two
sites
and
we
interviewed
about
40
families,
youth
and
staff,
and
the
feedback
was
overwhelmingly
positive.
A
lot
of
the
youth
would
were
work,
you
know,
would
have
been
working
or
working
more
to
support
their
families,
so
being
able
to
receive
money
was
really
helpful.
Money
to
attend
school
was
really
helpful,
and
so
that
was
that
was
good
to
hear
and
then
moving
on.
K
We
decided
we
received
a
grant
from
the
lanl
foundation
to
do
two
cash
pilots
with
cuba
in
west
las
vegas,
and
these
ran
from
november
through
july.
So
they
were
longer
and
they
were
more,
I
think,
comprehensive
in
what
they
required.
So
they
were
90.
The
students
had
to
attend
night
school
90
of
the
time
they
had
to
complete
90
of
their
assignments.
K
They
had
weekly
tutoring
sessions
and
then
they
connected
with
a
counselor
or
an
outreach
worker
once
a
week
for
a
social,
emotional
check-in
and
just
to
see
how
everything
was
going
and
then
if
the
conditions
were
met,
the
families
received
500
a
month
and
at
first
we
did
the
same
thing
we
did
with
aps
in
las
cruces,
but
that
quickly
became
close
to
unworkable
after
the
first
month
or
two.
K
So
we
switched
to
just
checks,
so
everybody
got
a
500
a
month
check
if
they
met
the
conditions
we
did
build
in,
given
how
chaotic
these
students
lives
were
and
the
trauma
that
they'd
experienced
and
certainly
last
year,
how
complicated
you
know.
School
attendance
was
compassionate
exceptions,
and
so
these
were
widely
used.
Some
of
the
reasons
that
compassion
and
exceptions
were
granted
were
the
unexpected
death
of
loved
ones.
K
One
one
participant
was
a
single
parent
trying
to
raise
a
child
and
finish
school,
particularly
in
west
las
vegas
and
cuba,
but
even
in
aps,
in
las
cruces
there
were
connectivity
issues
fail.
Families
in
cuba
sometimes
had
to
drive
45
minutes
to
get
a
signal
to
do
remote
schooling,
so
that
was
certainly
challenging.
K
K
So,
when
you're
giving
people
money
to
help
with
meet
their
basic
needs,
should
you
have
any
conditions
around?
That
is
that
right
to
impose
that,
and
so
we
really
kind
of
went
back
and
forth
with
that
over
the
course
of
the
year.
We
spoke
extensively
with
school
staff
and
the
counselors
who
are
turning
in
touch
with
the
families
and
we
even
consulted
with
national
experts.
We
spoke
to
an
ephesus
and
where
we
landed
based
upon
all
the
feedback
we
received.
K
Is
that
to
the
extent
you
do
have
any
conditions
in
a
cash
pilot
conditions
you
know
requiring
school
attendance
or
conditions
centered
around
education
are
probably
the
least
problematic
because
of
the
overwhelming
body
of
evidence
of
the
benefits
of
education
and
sort
of
having
this
built-in
valve
the
compassion
and
exception
which
we
really
encourage
the
school
staff
to
use
liberally
and
take
into
account
the
totality
of
the
student
circumstances
in
which
they
did
so
that's
where
we,
you
know
that's
where
we
landed
with
that
one.
K
As
the
pilots
went
on
the
pilots
in
cuba
and
west
las
vegas,
I
mean
again,
these
were
small,
I
think,
over
the
course
of
the
year
we
had
about
53
students
that
were
in
the
pilots,
and
we
had
an
80
retention
rate,
which
is
you
know
pretty
good,
given
you
know
just
how?
How
again
how
chaotic
the
lives
of
these
students
can
be,
but
I
do
want
to
caution.
You
know
it
wasn't
a
randomized
controlled
trial,
so
we
can't
say
causation
or
anything,
but
there
were
some
really
promising.
K
You
know
outcomes
from
this
particular
pilot,
so
we
had
13
out
of
14
seniors
graduate
on
time.
Half
the
students
finished
the
school
year
with
a
gpa
of
2.5
or
higher.
K
You
know
when,
for
some
quarters
over
50
percent
of
students
were
failing
classes
throughout
the
state,
so
that
was
that
was
nice
to
see
the
students
themselves.
So
the
tutoring
was
helpful
and
some
said
they
wouldn't
have
passed
the
classes
without
it.
K
The
families
reported
using
the
extra
income
to
buy
food
school
supplies,
shoes
and
pay
bills.
You
know-
and
everyone
said
it
helped
with
the
monthly
budget,
and
that
was
actually
feedback.
We
got
a
lot
in
aps
in
las
cruces
too,
and
500
a
month
is
not
it's
not
a
ton
of
money,
but
it
really
helped
just
ease
the
constraints
that
families
were
experienced
experiencing
and
just
as
a
side
note,
I
couldn't
believe
how
many
families
said.
Buying
shoes
was
a
struggle,
and
that
I
mean
so
many
said.
K
Oh,
I
was
able
to
buy
all
my
kids
new
shoes
like
so
things
like
that
that
you
were
like.
Oh,
you
know
just
how
how
how
many
people
are
struggling
and
then
again
the
families
we
so
we
did,
we
did
do
in
west
las
vegas
and
cuba.
We
also
did
about
40
exit
interviews
and
many
many
many
people
said
the
switch
from
the
gift
cards,
and
you
know
we
tell
you
where
the
money
goes
to
the
cash
was.
K
There
was
so
much
more
helpful,
particularly
in
rural
areas,
where
an
establishment,
specific
gift
card
I
mean
in
cuba,
people
had
to
drive
an
hour
to
get
to
a
walmart
and
it
just
wasn't
working
so
that
it
was.
You
know
that
was
really
helpful
feedback
and
we're
glad
we
were
able
to
make
that
change.
K
Some
of
our
evolving
theories
and
lessons
learned
from
these
pilots,
though,
is
that
school
staff
can't
cannot
proxy
for
families.
These
four
pilots
in
a
way
were
really
they're.
Almost
particularly
the
two
and
aps
in
las
cruces
were
really
designed
as
almost
an
emergency
response
to
covid.
Where
you
know,
schools
were
losing
track
of
kids,
not
everybody
had
a
device.
K
We
were
worried
that
school
year
would
start,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
these
kids
experiencing
homelessness
wouldn't
show
up,
and
so
we
wanted
to
help
where
we
could
in
west
las
vegas
and
cuba.
It
was
the
same
but
it,
but
we
did
not
have
input
from
the
families
on.
We
had
a
lot
of
input
on
the
back
end,
but
not
on
the
front
end.
K
Thinking
about
that
and
again
making
sure
that
the
people
that
the
pilot
is
serving
have
input
any
conditions.
We've
certainly
landed
on
the
idea
that
cash
is
best
as
opposed
to
gift
cards,
or
you
know
hoops.
You
have
to
jump
through
just
giving
people
cash
and
they'll
use
it
to
meet
their
their
basic
needs,
and
then
you
know.
K
I
certainly
can't
work
in
these
places
without
beginning
to
see
the
racist
systems
and
policies
that
have
caused
generations
of
mistrust
and
inequity
that
are
being
perpetuated
over
and
over,
and
then
we
really
just
working
with
these
school
districts
and
the
families
like
you
know.
I
think
we
all
just
came
away
in
awe
of
how
much
of
their
resilience
and
their
strength
the
some
of
the
school
staff.
I
mean
forget
the
eight
hour
work
day.
They
were
putting
in
16
or
20
hours,
dealing
with
kids
in
crisis
and.
K
Inspiring
and
amazing
to
see-
and
so
we
are
now-
we
just
received
a
grant
in
october
from
the
kellogg
foundation,
where
we
are
hoping
that
we
can
apply
some
of
these
evolving
theories
and
lessons
that
we've
learned
from
previous
four
pilots,
so
this
brand
is
to
is
to
plan
and
design
a
guaranteed
income
program
with
families
that
are
participating
in
the
kara
program.
K
So
this
is
kara
stands
for
the
comprehensive
addiction
and
recovery
act
and
it's
a
program
administered
jointly
by
cyfd
and
doh
for
babies
that
have
had
a
substance
use
exposure
during
pregnancy.
K
It
is
voluntary,
but
when
there
has
been
a
substance,
use
exposure,
the
baby's
offered
a
plan
of
care
that
wraps
in
the
family
and
the
ideas
just
to
support
the
family,
especially
the
birthing
person,
to
stay
clean
and
be
with
the
baby.
And
so
that's
the
population
we'll
be
serving
with
this
guaranteed
income
program
and
then
on
the
design
team.
We
will.
K
K
K
You
know
there
might
be
different
issues
present
both
places,
so
maybe
the
pilot
will
need
to
be
tweaked
depending
on
where
it's
being
delivered
and
then,
when
thinking
about
how
we
evaluate
success
of
these
pilots,
we
want.
We
really
want
the
community
and
the
people
that
are
participating
in
the
pilot
to
help
us
think
about
what
success
looks
like
for
them.
One
of
the
more
well-established
guaranteed
income
programs
is
in
jackson,
mississippi.
K
I
think
it's
called
magnolia
mothers
and
it's
for
low-income
black
mothers
and
they
have
really
wonderful
materials
where
they
talk
about
some
of
the
outcomes
that
the
that
the
participants
see.
But
it's
not
something
you
would
find
in
any
administrative
data
set.
It's
things
like
you
know:
substantial
reduction
and
mothers
requiring
predatory
lenders
to
pay
their
bills
or
there's
there
was
a
huge
increase
of
mothers,
cooking
meals
at
home,
and
so
these
are
that's
what
you
know.
That
might
be
what
success
looks
like
for
those
women
and
what
it
will
success.
K
Look
like
for
for
these
parts.
You
know,
for
these
pilot
participants
is
something
else
we
want
to
determine
and
then,
of
course,
we
do
want
to
continue
to
build
the
case
for
legislators
and
policymakers
that
these
get.
You
know
that
guaranteed
income
programs
are
necessary.
K
They
work
and
so
how
you
know,
how
do
we
do
that,
so
we're
hoping
through
this
design
process
we
can
have.
You
know,
build
a
compelling
case
for
that
group
too.
A
Julie,
are
you
yeah
the
conductor
again,
I
is
there
somebody
else
who's,
presenting
or
or
just
or
do
you
have
more
to
add.
J
Yeah,
so
I
was
actually
going
to
bring
the
conversation
home
to
our
santa
fe
pilot
project,
so
jamie.
If
I
can
share
my
screen,
that
would
be
great.
B
Jamie
did
you
do
you
have
access
on
the
bottom
of
your
screen
to
share.
J
So
the
santa
fe
leap
project,
which
is
the
santa
fe
learn
and
achieve
project,
is
actually
a
mirrors
for
guaranteed
income
project.
I
am
one
of
the
leads.
We
also
have
another
co-lead
who's
been
working
with
me,
the
last
couple
of
months
to
set
up
and
get
the
project
implemented,
and
then
just
so
you
all
know
a
guaranteed
income
really
is
a
monthly
cash
payment
given
directly
to
individuals
with
no
strings
attached,
and
there
are
no
work
requirements
for
this
funding.
J
A
guaranteed
income
really
is
meant
to
supplement,
rather
than
replace
existing
social
net
safety,
social
net
services
and
can
be
a
tool
for
racial
and
gender
equity.
Just
to
echo
what
megan
was
saying:
cash
is
really
powerful
and
it's
really
for
these
three
reasons
for
one
it's
immediately
available.
J
It
allows
and
then
second
allows
for
flexibility
for
different
family
needs
and
three
many
people
are
only
partially
covered
by
or
completely
left
out
of,
safetynet
programs
and
so
cash
really
can
help
fill
those
gaps
to
ensure
everybody
who
needs
help,
gets
it
and
really
right.
Now,
guaranteed
income
has
been
changing
lives
across
the
nation.
Just
some
basic
information
from
the
stockton
seed
program,
which
kind
of
jump
started
the
mgi
project.
J
J
J
Our
parents
are
primary
caregivers
of
children,
they're
enrolled
in
classes
at
santa
fe
community
college,
pursuing
a
certificate
or
a
degree,
and
at
the
time
of
application
they
had
to
be
between
18
and
30.,
the
other
qualifying
factors
they
had
to
be
at
below
200
of
poverty
level.
So
for
a
family
of
four
that's
about
53
000
a
year,
and
so
some
of
our
partners
in
this
initiative
and
this
pilot
project
was
really.
J
You
know
us
here
at
the
department
of
community
health
and
safety,
the
santa
fe
community
college,
the
santa
fe
community
college
foundation
and
then
the
santa
fe
community
foundation,
expanding
opportunities
for
young
families
program
and
then,
of
course,
ngi
and
a
really
important
component
of
being
a
part
of
mgi.
Is
we
have
access
to
the
university
of
pennsylvania's
center
for
guaranteed
income
research,
which
is
actually
doing
the
evaluation
for
the
program.
J
It
was
an
incredibly
quick
turnaround
to
get
a
proposal
to
them,
and
you
know
we
were
incredibly
excited
when
we
learned
we'd
be
able
to
be
part
of
the
national
movement
around
guaranteed
income
from
february
to
may.
We
finalized
the
project,
as
well
as
the
research
agenda,
and
I
would
say
that
was
probably
the
most
time
consuming
consuming
part
of
the
project,
including
getting
our
research
designed
through
two
irbs
one
through
upenn
and
then
the
other
through
the
community
college,
and
so
in
august
we
opened
up
applications.
J
J
From
september
to
october,
we
worked
with
our
team
to
do
a
one-on-one
onboarding
process
and
that
team
was
actually
hired
by
an
outside
consulting
group.
So
again
we
didn't
get
to
meet
the
students.
We
didn't
get
to
know
the
students
names.
It
was
something
that
that's
very
separate
from
the
city.
J
As
of
october
15th
of
this
year,
our
student
participants
received
their
first
payment
of
400,
which
is
incredibly
exciting
because
that's
kind
of
the
largest
hurdle
that
we've
had
to
to
get
over
and
mgi
actually
recommended
the
15th
as
a
payment
date
as
a
best
practice,
because
around
that
time
is
usually
when
folks
tend
to
run
low
on
income
and
low
run
low
on
cash
and
so
continuing
this
project
through
september
of
2022,
students
will
continue
to
receive
a
400
monthly
payment
and
then,
in
august
and
march
august,
through
march,
upenn
is
going
to
follow
the
cohort
and
collect
data
on
how
the
guaranteed
income
has
actually
impacted.
J
So
just
really
quick
on
the
research
and
selection
piece
upenn
conducted
an
irb
approved
research
study
which
included
surveys
and
interviews
over
the
next
18
months.
The
research
agenda,
which
is
proprietary
to
upenn,
but
we
did.
We
were
able
to
put
in
some
of
our
social
determinants
of
health
that
we're
measuring
here
through
our
connect
project
and
our
connect
program.
J
We
of
course
chose
an
education
goal
around
attaining
further
higher
education,
as
well
as
building
resilience
in
education
in
terms
of
families,
family
dynamics
and
parenting.
Since
we
are
looking
at
you
know,
two
generational
households,
we're
looking
at
familiar
stress,
familial
familial
stress,
parental
stress
as
well
as
child
care
and
then,
of
course,
food
and
housing
security.
J
J
J
So
each
student
scheduled
a
meeting
with
a
benefits
counselor
to
review
potential
impact
of
guaranteed
income
on
any
of
their
benefits
they
might
be
receiving,
and
this
was
tailored
to
folks
who
were
spanish-speaking
as
well
as
english
speaking,
and
we
really
wanted
to
work
with
students
to
make
sure
that,
when
they
consent
for
this
project,
if
they
did
have
certain
benefits
that
they
would
understand
that
they
may
be
impacted,
and
so
that
process
was
walked
through
by
a
trained
benefits.
J
Counselor,
we
did
have
two
websites
that
were
available
to
students
which
were
welcome
and
introduction,
as
well
as
facts,
and
how
to
receive
their
funding.
And
again,
both
of
these
were
accessible
in
spanish
and
english,
the
handouts
and
worksheets
to
walk
through
the
benefits
issues,
as
well
as
there's
a
handbook
for
the
project
and
basic
facts
again
both
available
in
spanish
and
english,
and
then
our
benefits
counselors,
also
assisted
on
helping
students,
open
bank
accounts
and
connect
their
current
accounts
to
make
sure
they
received
their
monthly
payments,
and
I
believe,
out
of
the
100
students.
J
We
had
seven
students
who
are
receiving
almost
like
a
visa
debit
card.
That'll
be
renewed
every
month
because
they
have
issues
accessing
and
getting
their
bank
accounts
connected.
J
So
really
for
this
project
we're
gonna,
because
our
next
steps
and
kind
of
new
ideas
around
guaranteed
income.
We
want
to
continue
this
project
and
continue
the
student
support
throughout
this
year,
but
also
think
about
fundraising
to
either
increase
the
monthly
amounts
to
our
cohort
but
or
increase.
You
know,
potentially
the
amount
of
time
that
students
are
able
to
to
receive
a
guaranteed
income.
J
We
are
investigating
how
to
use
guaranteed
income
in
different
contexts,
and
so
right
now
we're
in
preliminary
discussions
on
potential
workforce
development
and
career
pathways
to
entice
early
child
to
entice
community
members
into
the
early
child
care
field,
as
well
as
potentially
a
resource
navigation
field.
J
We
are
also
targeting
stabilization
stabilizing
income
and
financial
stability
through
a
guaranteed
income
project
for
those
folks
most
in
need,
through
our
connect
program
and
possibly
thinking
about
using
arba
funds,
to
pilot
that
at
about
12
months
post-project,
the
city
of
santa
fe
will
receive
our
preliminary
results
on
the
santa
fe
leap
cohort.
And
so
I
really
hope
that
at
that
time
I
can
bring
back.
J
You
know
the
preliminary
data
results
and
outcomes
from
our
pilot
project
and,
of
course,
collaborate
with
other
projects
locally,
which
includes
you
know,
megan's
group
at
new
mexico
appleseed
and
then
also
other
mgi
projects
happening
across
the
nation.
A
Great
questions,
maybe
can
you
stop
your
share?
Yeah,
it
was
acting
up.
Yeah.
We've
we've
been
having
trouble
all
night,
okay,
questions
from
the
committee
council,
one,
I'm
sorry.
I
keep
tripping
over
my
tongue,
councilwoman
biarielle.
G
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
megan
and
julie
for
your
presentations,
I'm
fully
supportive
of
guaranteed
income
and
these
initiatives
for
new
mexico
in
general.
I
think
they're
beneficial
and
I
I
like
megan's
analysis
of
how
to
make
these
processes
easier
and
ethical
and
not
imposing
so
many
barriers
for
people
to
be
able
to
get
the
support.
They
need
to
be
able
to
thrive
really
essentially-
and
I
guess
I'm
just
curious-
a
few
things
about
megan's
presentation
and
and
their
pilots.
G
I
was
curious
about
how,
since
you're
kind
of
launching
into
this
next
phase
with
the
kellogg
foundation,
how
you
all
will
be
well,
let
me
ask
both
because
for
the
pilot
projects
and
even
the
color
project,
that
you're
going
to
be
moving
forward
with,
does
that
what's
the
selection
process
look
like
for
you
all,
how
did
you
make
selections
of
the
students
and
how
will
you
be
selecting
for
this
next
iteration
with
the
kellogg
project.
K
Sure
so
the
students
were
selected
were
recruited
by
school
staff
for
the
the
school
pilots
and
outreach
and
outreach
workers,
so
it
was
actually
kind
of
interesting
a
lot
of
families
at
aps
that
they
asked
to
participate,
didn't
want
to
participate
so
that
you
know
that
was
something
like
we're,
not
sure
why,
because
we
weren't
doing
the
recruitment,
but
there
was,
there
was
some
trouble
with
recruitment
at
aps:
kind
of
the
opposite
in
las
cruces.
More
people
wanted
to
do
it
than
we
had
spaces
for
so
yeah.
K
That's
that's
the
answer.
School
staff
did
it
for
kellogg,
we'll
have
to
determine
that
during
the
design
process,
and
this
is
actually
it's
pretty
interesting,
because
this
grant
is
actually
it's
really
only
for
the
planning
and
design
process
we'll,
hopefully
get
the
guaranteed
income
portion
funded,
but
that
will
probably
that
probably
won't
be
for
another
year
or
so
till
we
line
up
another
funder,
so
yeah
that'll
be
determined,
but
I
would
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
hundreds
of
cara
participants
in
mckinley
and
bernalillo.
K
So
unless
there
was
some
narrowing
of
that
population,
you
know
like
it's
only
for
young
mothers
or
something
then
there
would,
it
would
maybe
have
to
be
random.
G
K
K
You
know
potential
harm
mainly
that
there
could
be
a
chance
like
in
your
check-ins,
like
you
talk
about
something
that
was
hard
for
you
and
that
could
be
upsetting,
and
then
I
think
maybe
we
may
have
also
mentioned
I'd,
have
to
look
back
that
you
know
if
you
didn't
meet
the
conditions
there
might
be
some
months
where
you
didn't
get
the
payment
so
yeah,
so
that
that
laid
it
out
again.
K
The
counselors
were
the
ones
who
you
know
worked
directly
with
the
students
to
have
in
the
families
to
have
that
signed.
So
that
was
the
main
onboarding
process
and
then,
with
all
four
sites
we
did.
You
know
we
had
monthly
meetings
and
we
got
monthly
reports
on
how
it
was
going,
and
so
we
were
able
to
kind
of
stay
on
top
of
anything
that
came
up
and
work
with
the
school
staff
to
have
as
much
fidelity
to
the
to
the
model
as
we
could
have.
G
Great
that's
good
to
know,
and
just
as
you're
kind
of
moving
forward
with
this
design
process.
If
there's
any
way,
we
can.
I
I
work
for
newmexicowomen.org
and
we're
a
gender
justice
organization,
a
women's
fund
and
we
actually
fund
a
lot
of
organizations
that
may
be
helpful
in
your
design
process,
because
once
you,
if
you
support
women
and
create
stability,
it
creates
stability
for
families.
So,
although
we
don't
specifically
work
on
economic
security,
it
does
tie
into
gender
justice
and
healing
work
that
we
support
in
new
mexico.
G
So
if
there's
any
way
that
I
can
help
in
that
process
with
connections
with
community
groups,
please
let
me
know:
julie
just
wanted
to
follow
up
with
our
process
and
I'm
so
happy
that
you
took
the
time
to
be
able
to
really
like
dig
in
and
last
minute
you
know,
apply
and
get
all
the
the
pieces
and
partners
together
and
know
that
was
a
lot
of
work.
So
I
appreciate
all
that
you
did
with
that
and
I'm
I'm
just
curious.
G
So
what
again
that
onboarding
part
for
us,
I
think,
from
what
I
heard
from
community
members,
was
problematic
and
I
actually
wish
the
city
was
involved
more
because
the
university
of
pennsylvania
and
mgi
had
from
what
I
heard
from
community
members
very
problematic
questions
about
how
people
would
apply
and
and
be
able
to
to.
I
guess,
get
vetted,
and
so
I'm
just
curious
like
for
this
evaluation
piece,
how
much?
How
involved
will
you
all
be
in
this
in
their
collection
of
data,
for
you,
pen,.
J
So
that's
a
great
question:
councilman
burial
because
of
the
research
design.
We
really
cannot
be
very
involved.
J
We
have
a
fellow
that's
going
to
be
working
with
our
student
who's
actually
from
the
community
she's
a
phd
candidate
through
unm
who's,
also
bilingual,
and
also
a
young
parent
herself
and
she's
actually
going
to
be
the
direct
contact
for
the
participants
and
kind
of
the
liaison
between
them
and
upenn.
But
for
the
most
part,
cities
at
this
point
have
a
very
neutral
touch
when
it
comes
to
the
data
collection
and
the
results.
G
Sorry
I
didn't
mean
to
raise
my
hand
again
yeah.
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
see.
I
know
that
you
all
put
in
some
some
markers
for
them
to
to
to
try
to
pinpoint
or
be
able
to
collect
that
data
for
us,
which
I
think
is
great.
G
What
I'm
worried
about
is
that
they're
reporting
requirements
for
the
recipients
will
be
again
what
megan
was
saying,
jumping
through
hoops,
making
it
more
extensive
than
what
we
should
be
doing,
because
the
whole
thing
is
about
making
things
easier
for
people's
lives
and
then,
if
they're,
doing
a
pilot
and
they're
trying
to
assess
or
evaluate
by
collecting
data
which
requires
people
to
you
know
to
whether
it's
through
interviews,
I
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
do
it.
G
But
I
just
want
us
to
caution
like
be
conscious
of
how
these
things
are
structured,
as
we
start
moving
forward
and
think
about
like
what
the
next
iteration
is
going
to
be
for
these
programs,
because
what
megan
was
saying
it's,
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
be
able
to
like
put
people
through
this
process
when,
when
it
shouldn't
be
so
difficult,
especially
if
it's
very
invasive
and
questions
that
we
shouldn't
be
asking
them.
G
So
I
don't
know,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
when
we
start
thinking
about
the
next
iteration
of
this,
that
we
think
about
the
structure
that
we're
involved
with
the
questions
that
we
ask
people
about
how
they
get
vetted,
because
we
shouldn't
be
asking
questions
about
religion
and
anything
like
that.
So,
and
this
is
nothing
to
do
with
the
city.
This
is
just
making
sure
that
upenn
and
mgi,
if
we're
going
to
be
moving
forward
with
them.
G
How
we
can
be
part
of
that
research,
because
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
families
it's
an
easier
process
for
them
and
they
don't
have
to
be
in
us
like
being
studied.
G
J
We
we
in
working
with
mgi
one
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
make
sure
to.
Let
you
know
you
all
know
is
that
when
taking
the
surveys
and
when
asking
for
time
from
the
participants,
they
are
being
compensated,
so
they
will
receive
additional
compensation
on
top
of
the
general
monthly
income.
L
If
I
may,
a
mom
chair,
councilman
viral,
thank
you
so
much
for
raising
that
really
really
key
point.
When
we
submitted
our
research
design
to
mgi,
we
actually
got
told
it
was
the
best
proposal,
but
then
they
promptly
changed
it
radically
to
conform
to
their
national
project.
We
were
we
made.
You
know
we
had
some
struggles
with
that
and
we
were
really
concerned
and
we
wanted
to
honor
the
people,
the
partners
who
have
worked
with
us
on
the
proposal
from
santa
fe
community
foundation.
L
L
That
said,
I
I
want
to
explain
to
this
committee
too,
that
the
agenda
of
the
mayor's
for
guaranteed
income
is
to
get
a
federal,
guaranteed
income
policy
and
I
think
to
do
that
they
are
sacrificing
frankly
local
control
in
the
interest
of
having
a
really
large
end,
a
really
large
sample
size
throughout
the
country,
that's
very
uniform
and
that
the
the
study
is
really
airtight,
as
they
will
have
to.
You
know,
face
questions
at
the
federal
level
around
their
programming.
L
So
I
think
that's
the
rationale
that
said
when
we
looked
julie
presented
the
last
slide
and
we're
looking
at
how
to
use
potentially
some
of
our
arpa
funding
or
other
funding
sources
to
implement
guaranteed
income
through
our
connect
program.
Of
course,
during
the
cares
opportunity,
people
receive
direct
cash
payments,
one-time
payments,
but
we
know
there
are
families
that,
even
if
those
pay
same
payments
have
been
spread
out
over
a
year,
that
would
really
benefit
them.
And
if,
when
we
do
that
locally,
we
can
do
it
with
very
few
strings
attached.
L
We
don't
need
to
study
people
like
there's
their
specimens,
as
you
say,
and
you
know,
we
can
also
really,
as
megan
alluded,
to
engaged
participants
early
on
in
creation
of
the
way
that
rolls
out.
So
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
and
really
thank
you
for
raising
that
that
issue
and
maybe
hopefully
provide
a
little
nuance
to
the
whys
of
that
and
the
fact
that
that
it
was
beyond
our
control
locally
and
we
will
not
have
control
nationally
with
the
mgi
folks,
but
we
can
have
control
with
our
own
funding
going
forward.
G
Thank
you
for
that
yeah.
I
think
if
we
have
more
local
control,
it'll
make
it
less
invasive
for
people
and
community,
because
really
that
national,
whatever
their
design,
research
design,
is
it's
kind
of
sacrificing
community
members
and
their
privacy.
I
just
thought
it
was
strange.
The
way
they
kind
of
set
up
their
design
model,
but
I
think
when
we
move
forward,
especially
with
arpa
funds,
it'll
make
it
a
lot
easier
for
families
to
be
able
to
get
the
support
they
need
without
having
to
feel
like
everything
about
their
lives
is
exposed.
G
So
I'm
just
yeah.
I
think
megan
probably
alluded
to
that
too,
with
some
of
the
projects
that
you
all
worked
on
the
pilot
project.
So
so
I'm
happy
that
we're
doing
this
and
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
kind
of
how
what
the
structure
will
look
like
and
the
partnerships
will
look
like
in
the
next
year
and
hopefully
there'll
be
some
other
ways
to
make
it
make
it
more
flexible
for
people
and
easier
to
be
able
to
to
to
what
do
you
call
it
to
be
to
get
approved?
G
So
I
don't
know
megan
you
kind
of
disappeared
for
a
little
bit,
but
maybe
you're
back.
I
don't
know
if
you
had
any
other
comments
or
based
on
what
I
I
had
shared.
I
don't
know
if
you
were
able
to
hear
all
of
what
what
I
just
offered
to
you
in
terms
of
information
or.
K
I
apologize
council
on
my
internet
was
going
in
and
out
so
I
heard
most
of
it,
but
I
did
have
to
shut
my
video
off.
Yes,.
A
Thank
you,
counselor.
Other
questions
from
the
committee
doesn't
look
that
way.
Thank
you
for
coming
and
talking
about
these
different
projects,
exploring
this
idea
and
and
giving
us
an
update,
particularly
about
what's
happening
here
in
santa
fe,
with
the
partnership
with
the
community
college.
I've
been
wondering
about
that.
So
it's
great
to
to
hear.
What's
going
on
and
thank
you
to
our
guest
for
being
here
and
I
think
that's
all
we
have
for
you
trying
to
get
back
to
my
agenda
all
right.
So
that
concludes
our
presentations.
A
Okay,
matters
from
the
committee
matters
madison
the
chair,
all
right,
I'm
sorry.
We
had
kind
of
a
bumpy
road
tonight.
I've
already
sent
a
couple
of
emails
to
get
some
clarifications
on
some
things
and
we
will
get
the
technology
piece
worked
out
and
we
will
try
to
have
smoother
sailing
at
our
next
meeting.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience
tonight
and
our
next
meeting
is
wednesday
december
1st.
See
you
soon
sooner
than
that.
We're
adjourned.