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A
Okay
looks
like
we
are
streaming
live
on
youtube
and
at
502
I
will
call
the
quality
of
life
committee
to
order
for
october
20th.
If
we
could
get
a
roll
call,
please
counselor
cassette.
A
I'm
here,
thank
you
with
that.
We'll
go
to
approval
of
the
agenda
and,
I
think,
are
there
changes
from
staff.
A
Okay,
so
I'm
sorry,
I
was
just
reading
an
email.
The
presentation
that
we
had
for
the
presentation
on
early
childhood
care
in
santa
fe
will
postpone
so
we'll
be
not
hearing
that
item
under
presentation.
So
if
there's
are
no
other
changes,
if
we
could
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
as
amended
that'd
be
great.
A
D
A
Yes,
motion
passes.
Thank
you
from
there
we'll
move
to
approval
of
the
consent
agenda.
There
are
three
items
on
consent.
Does
anybody
want
to
hear
any
of
those
items.
C
Yes,
yes,
councilwoman
villarreal.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
item
b
is
in
boy.
I
wanted
to
pull
because
they
had
some
amendments
to
discuss.
A
C
A
E
E
A
Motion
passes
fantastic
now
to
approval
of
the
minutes
for
october
6th
quality
of
life
committee
meeting.
Are
there
changes
to
the
minutes
from
staff
and
or
the
committee.
A
If
not,
second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
for
approval
of
the
october
sixth
meeting
minutes.
If
we
could
get
a
roll
call
on
those
sponsor
cassette.
E
A
C
Just
wanted
to
add
some
language
based
on
the
legislation
that
we've
supported
in
the
past
and
kind
of
values
aligned,
and
I
believe
you
all
got
it
in
an
email,
but
I'm
not
quite
sure
so
it
hasn't
been
put.
It
hasn't
been
placed
in
the
format,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
these
items
be
it
further
resolved
language
got
included
primarily
because
we
we
have
focused
on
these
issues
before
and
they
may
come
up
in
this
legislative
session.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
want
me
to
read
them
out
loud.
A
Yeah,
so
let
me
so
the
email
that
I
received-
and
I
don't
know
I
don't
know
if
the
whole
committee
received
it,
but
apparently
the
staff
is
in
a
training,
so
they
weren't
able
to
put
it
in
the
the
format.
So
that's
why
it's
not
in
the
packets
and
but
it
it.
We
can
discuss
it
tonight
and
then
they'll
draft
it
for
the
appropriate
format,
put
it
in
the
appropriate
format
tomorrow,
so
that
it
will
be
ready
when
it
goes
to
governing
body.
So
I
don't
know
counselor.
C
I
did,
I
think
that
I
I
guess
I
was
curious
if
any
anyone
else
did
because
I
just
saw
staff
listed
on
it,
so
it
looks
like
counselor
cassette
received
it.
I
don't
know
council
rivera,
did
you
receive
it.
A
I
think,
since
it's
not
in
our
packets
and
not
available
to
the
public,
we
probably
shouldn't
take
official
action
on
it.
But
if
you
want
to
talk,
maybe
like
you
did
at
finance
about
each
of
them
and
maybe
a
little
bit
of
the
language-
and
we
can
just
have
a
conversation
about
it
without
taking
action
on
them,
since
we
don't
have
them
available
in
the
packet,
that's
probably
what
we
should
do.
C
Well,
I
think
it's
up
to
the
group.
If
they're,
not,
if
there's
more
information
you
need-
or
maybe
it
doesn't
make
complete
sense-
you'd
rather
see
it
in
that
format,
we
can
do
that.
We
can
also
vote
on
it.
Can
we
let
jessie
giannin,
I
think,
he's
in
the
waiting
room.
C
Great
okay,
so
I'm
just
gonna
go
ahead
and
read
them.
Madam
chair
does
that
work?
So
this
is
just
this
is
not
the
appropriation
side
of
things.
This
is
really
just
legislation
or
just
endorsing
and
supporting
legislation
that
may
occur
at
the
at
the
legislative
session,
and
also
there
is
language
that
was
in
our
resolution.
Our
legislative
priorities
was
legislation
last
year
and
it
I
wanted
to
make
sure
it
continues
to
be
placed
in
there.
C
So
the
language
to
be
included
or
to
be
added
is
to
be
it
for
the
resolve
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
supports
and
endorses
any
legislation
that
focuses
on
slowing
down
the
timeline
for
eviction
and
improving
opportunities
for
mitigation
between
renters
and
landlords.
C
C
It
was
2021,
it
was
january.
Thank
you.
That's
right.
We
corrected
that.
Okay,
so,
and
then
another
one,
be
it
for
the
resolve
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
supports
and
endorses
any
legislation
that
replenishes
and
seeks
a
reoccurring
funding
source
to
support,
mfa's
housing,
trust
fund
and
last
be
it
for
the
resolve
that
the
governing
body
supports
and
endorses
the
establishment
of
a
regional
drug
treatment
facility
that
would
serve
the
residents
of
santa
fe
and
northern
new
mexico
established
and
funded
by
revenue
derived
from
the
taxation
of
the
legal
sale
of
recreational
cannabis.
C
That
was
in
our
packet
last
year.
So
I
thought
that
that
would
carry
still
be
valid
in
this
legislative
session.
Possibly.
But
so
that's,
that's
it.
Nothing
that
we
haven't
necessarily
talked
about
before
and
reinforces
our
support
for
affordable
housing
and
preventing
eviction,
as
well
as
supporting
paid
sick
leave
legislation.
So
I
will
build
the
floor
and
answer
any
questions
from
my
colleagues.
Do.
A
We
have
questions
from
the
committee
on
these.
I
I
guess
right,
just
jesse.
So
can
we
act
on
these,
given
that
we
don't
have
them
in
the
packet
and
we
don't
have
them
in
their
formal?
You
know
so
we're
we're.
Basically
I
I
just
don't
know.
I
think
we
can
only
talk
about
them.
I
don't
think
we
can
vote
on
them
because
we
don't
have
them
available
to
the
public
and
we
don't
have
I
mean
while
I
don't
think
the
wording
is
going
to
change.
G
A
Yeah
jesse.
G
I
I
think
that
we
can
treat
this
like
any
other
amendment
that
would
be
made
during
a
meeting.
So
no,
we
don't
have
them
written
out,
but
there
are
oftentimes
where
amendments
are
made
during
the
meeting
and
voted
on.
So
I
think
we
can
treat
it
like
that
and
I,
before
joining,
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
council,
vietnam
read
them
into
the
record
which
she
did
so.
I
think
that
that
is
appropriate.
A
Okay,
well,
we
don't
have
anybody
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
so
I
we
will
go
with
that
and
hopefully
it's
okay.
I
just
I
just
worry
again,
yeah
all
right
questions
from
the
committee
on
on
these
editions.
A
I
do
have
a
one
question
since
doesn't
look
like
anybody
else
does
on
the
last
one,
the
the
nor
saying
that
the
the
drug
treatment
facility
will
be
funded
by
revenue
derived
from
taxation
on
the
legal
sale
of
recreational
cannabis.
Is
that
that
is
last
time
that
language
was
in
the
resolution
prior
in
the
prior
year.
C
Madam
chair,
that's
what
I
was
told
jesse.
Can
you
confirm
that?
Because
we
were
talking
about
a
couple
pieces
of
language
that
was
in
the
priorities
resolution
last
year,
that
was
just
left
out
that
still
is
relevant.
G
Yes,
madam
chair
counselors,
so
prior
to
finalizing
the
legislation
I
went
through
with.
H
G
So
I
asked
staff
to
let
me
know
if
various
items
had
been
addressed
in
the
previous
legislature,
and
I
think
there
was
on
this
particular
item.
There
was
a
little
miscommunication
with
what
exactly
it
meant,
and
so,
when
conservation
asked
about
it,
I
went
back
to
relevant
step
and
and
asked
if
it
should
be
included
and
sort
of
give
them
a
little
more
description
about
what
it
actually
meant
and
they
said
yeah
we
can
put
it
back
in
so
the
wording
is
exactly
the
way
it
was
last
year.
G
Yes,
what's
what
counselor
of
yet
I'll
read
into
the
record
is
what
was
included
in
the
resolution
that
was
adopted
last
year.
A
Yeah-
I
just
I
guess
counselor
at
this
point
now
that
we
know
that
that
recreational
cannabis
has
been
like
last
year.
We
didn't
know
whether
they
would
make
recreational
cannabis
legal
and
create
that
as
a
funding
stream.
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
want
to
say
that
we
support
and
endorse
the
establishment
of
a
regional
drug
treatment
facility
and
not
direct
that
it
come
from
a
particular
revenue
source
like
how
important
is
that
to
you,
because
I
think
we
want
it
whether
it
comes
from
that
revenue
stream
or
they
find
another
one.
A
And
I
I
don't
know
that
I
want
to
direct
them
about
how
to
use
that
funding
stream,
because
I
think
we
may
want
you
know
some
of
that
money
coming
to
local
governments
untethered
for
our
own
priorities,
and
I
I
don't
know
what
the
push
and
pull
would
be.
So
I
just
wonder
how
important
that
last
phrase
is
this
time
around.
C
I
am
ambiguous
about
that.
All
I
wanted
to
make
sure
is
that
we
were
really
the
need
for
a
regional
drug
treatment
facility
and
for
northern
mexico,
regardless
of
where
the
funding
source
is
derived
or
the
yeah,
where
the
funding
source
is
coming
from
so
yeah,
I'm
I'm
not
sure.
Actually,
where
that
initial
language
with
recreational
cannabis
was
where
it
was
where
it
came
from.
Initially,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
from
our
own
staff.
Okay,.
A
I
You,
madam
chair,
I
would
say
that
I'm
in
an
agreement
with
that
comment
that
I
don't
necessarily
a
certain
funding
stream,
doesn't
matter
as
much
as
just
the
support
that
this
happens
so
not
necessarily
in
a
specifically
funded
way.
But
I
was
actually
looking
at
the
first
one.
Be
it
further
resolve
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
supports
and
endorses
any
legislation
that
focuses
on
slowing
down
the
timeline,
and
I
was
curious
about
your
thoughts.
I
C
I
I
C
A
A
Well
again,
this
is
why
I
wish
we
had
this.
I
hate
drafting
in
the
air
councillor
rivera.
D
C
Are
you
asking
me
or
yes,
sorry,
cancer,
video?
Thank
you,
council
rivera.
This
specifically
was
saying
that
the
funding
source
would
come
from
taxation
of
the
legal
sale
of
recreational
cannabis,
but
it
would
support
the
establishment
of
a
regional
drug
treatment
facility
in
general
to
support
any
addiction
possibilities.
D
Yeah,
so
I
would
that
would
support
really
any.
You
know
the
funding
source
coming
from
anywhere.
I
don't
you
know
not
necessarily
think
it
has
to
come
from
the
sale
of
recreational
cannabis,
but
would
support
really
any
funding
source
that
they
could
come
up
with
to
deal
with
a
regional
drug
treatment
facility.
D
I
think
that
would
be
appropriate
and
then,
with
regards
to
the
first
one
with
the
eviction,
I
agree
with
the
language
that
councilwoman
cassette
put
forward,
but
just
wanted
to
ask,
so
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
moratorium
that
was
established
for
covet
purposes
right.
This
is
just
a
general
statement
about
evictions
and
improving
or
that
mitigation
between
renters
and
landlords
right
just.
C
C
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct!
It's!
Actually,
it's
it's
in
an
effort
to
be
proactive
about
looking
at
eviction,
because
we
don't
know
how
long
the
moratorium
is
going
to
last
I
mean
I
don't
know
the
timeline
for
that,
but
I
assume
it's
not
necessarily
going
to
continue
for
the
next
couple
years,
so
I
think
it
was
really
just
to
be
proactive
about
ways
to
support
community
members
to
to
limit
and
slow
down
potential
evictions
in
in
new
mexico,
especially
in
santa
fe.
So.
D
And
for
the
current
for
the
current
moratorium
was
that
implemented
by
the
legislature,
the
governor
or
the
courts?
Do
we
know
that
I
believe
the
courts,
I
believe
so
too.
So
this
is
legislation
that
you
know
that's
coming
forth
from
a
particular
legislator.
That's
introducing
this
language.
A
Okay,
so
councilwoon
are
you,
okay
with
deleting
the
last
part
of
that
piece
on
the
drug
treatment
facility?
C
And
I'm
wondering
I
mean
I
didn't
come
up
with
this
language.
I
just
thought
it
was
an
important
topic
that
was
added
to
our
priorities
last
year
that
I
thought
should
carry
continue
carrying
on.
I
was
curious
if
my
colleagues
I
thought
director
ochoa
would
be
on,
but
I
wanted
to
know
if
the
county
did
establish
a
us
a
clinic,
but
I
wasn't
quite
sure
if
that
was
finalized.
Does
anybody
know
about
that.
J
Good
evening,
everyone
in
the
council
and
members
council
villarreal,
I
think
that
it
is
finalized.
I
forgot
the
name
of
the
location,
but
it
has
been
finalized.
J
Yeah,
madam
chair
council
varial,
I
I
wish
that
director
cho
is
here
because
originally
when
the
county
building
was
being
built,
we
were
going
to
create
and
build
and
develop
a
treatment
center
across
the
street
as
a
transitional
housing
spot.
But
I
don't
know
if
that
is
what
this
was
intended
for,
because
we
did
not
finalize
that
development.
C
Okay,
that's
good
to
know
so.
Can
we
do
this?
Madam
chair,
I
would
like
to
consider
the
first
three
and
then
hold
off
on
that
fourth,
one
until
we
get
further
information
from
director
ochoa,
because
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it
wasn't
in
response
to
what
already
has
happened
with
the
county
clinic
and
if
there
was
some
other
development
that
we
don't
know
of.
Maybe
director
mccoy
can
share
shed
some
light
on
us.
A
Director
mccoy
has
her
hand
up.
So
let's
go
to
her.
A
A
Oh
there,
she
is,
she
just
popped
in
all
right,
director
cho.
We
have
a
question
for
you,
thanks
for
joining
us
I'll
turn
it
over
to
councilwoman
via
rail.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
We
had
planned
to
add
language
to
our
legislative
priorities
that
was
on
the
priorities
resolution
last
year
and
it
was
specific
to
supporting
and
endorsing
the
establishment
of
a
regional
drug
treatment
facility
that
would
serve
the
residents
of
santa
fe
in
northern
new
mexico
established
and
funded
by
revenue
derived
from
the
taxation
of
the
legal
sale
of
recreational
cannabis.
C
So
the
question
was,
I
was
curious
if
you
knew
if
that
legislation
or
that
language
last
year
was
included,
because
we
were
wanting
to
support
the
county
clinic
that
did
as
we
just
discovered
it
did
finally
open
that
that
was
finalized.
But
if
there
was
some
other
regional
drug
treatment
facility
that
we
should
know
about
that
language
and
our
legislative
priorities
should
be
included,
or
maybe
we're
not
in
that
space
anymore.
Can
you
shed
some
light
on
that
for
us.
H
Madam
chair
councilwoman
vial,
I
think
I
don't
think
the
language
was
referring
to
the
county
crisis
center.
I
think
it
was
aspirational
on
the
part
of
the
drafters,
but
I
think
the
important
decision
is
that
the
city's
cannabis
revenue
would
not
support
a
regional
facility.
We
would
we
support
is
a
nebulous
term.
I
think
in
this
in
this
going
to
say
that
we
we
approve
of
this.
We
support
it,
but
not
financially.
I
think
that's
why
we
removed
that
language.
It's
obviously
a
needed,
a
needed
thing,
but
the
city's
cannabis
revenue.
H
We
have
to
leave
a
little
more
as
to
what
kinds
of
things
we
would
support.
Literally
without
funding.
Does
that
answer
the
question.
C
It
does
and-
and
I
guess
we
had
modified
it
before
you
jumped
on
to
actually
remove
that
where
the
funding
source
would
come
from
and
just
say
that
we'd
support
the
establishment
of
a
regional
drug
treatment
facility,
for
that
would
serve
the
residents
of
santa
fe
northern
new
mexico
period.
C
H
Madam
chair
councilman
vietra,
absolutely,
yes,
it's
still
a
need
and
and
then
we
hope
the
state
will
do
that.
A
J
A
I
do
think
it's
really
important
that
we're
clear
that
any
cannabis
revenue
coming
to
us.
We
do
not
want
to
tie
up,
because
I
think
we
have
ideas
about
how
to
spend
that.
We
need
to
talk
about
that.
Okay.
So
if
there
are
no
other
questions
for
the
committee,
do
we
have
a
motion?
A
C
A
Item
b
with
the
four,
be
it
further
resolved
editions
that
you've
read
so
moved.
Is
there
a
second?
Second?
A
Yes,
okay,
thank
you
so
again.
This
is
why
I
hate
this
drafting
in
the
air
people,
but
yes,
so
the
the
changes
to
the
first
be
it
resolved
about
evictions
and
the
changes
to
the
last,
be
it
resolved
taking
off
the
phrase
about
the
funding,
and
we
will
put
this
in
the
packet
as
it
moves
forward
and
jesse
if
you're
there,
you've
got
all
that
right.
A
G
Work
I'll,
yes,
I
will
review
it.
A
You
can
call
me
tomorrow,
and
we
can
talk
about
it
if,
if
you
wonder
what
we
did
all
right,
if
we
could
get
a
roll
call
on
that,
counselor
cassette.
E
H
A
Motion
passes
all
right
with
that.
We
will
go
to
the
item
that
we
postponed
for
this
meeting,
an
ordinance
relating
to
the
city
of
santa
fe,
uniform
traffic
ordinance
amending
section
12-10-1.10.
A
To
insert
a
clause
stating
that
a
person
who
violates
the
provision
of
section
12-10-1.10
of
the
u-t-u-t-o
is
guilty
of
a
penalty
assessment
misdemeanor
and
to
add
and
increase
penalties
in
schedule,
a
the
traffic
violation
penalty
assessment
schedule-
and
I
don't
know
how
we
want
to
handle
this.
We
do
have
kyle
hibner
here
with
the
city
attorney's
office
kyle,
I
don't
know,
did
you
do
you
have
things
you
want
to
tell
us?
Would
you
rather
we
ask
questions?
I
know
the
reason
we
postponed
this
is.
A
I
think
we
had
a
number
of
things.
We
were
looking
for
answers
and
you
thought
you
could
get
back,
and
so
I
don't
know
if,
if
you
want
to
maybe
go
through
some
of
that,
I'm
I'm
open
to
suggestions
here.
K
Carol
merworth
I
can.
I
can
do
that
if
you
would
prefer
captain
tapia
from
the
police
department
is
also
on
this
call.
Oh.
K
So
yeah
it's
up
to
you
it's
up
to
the
committee.
If
you
prefer
that
I
just
kind
of
go
through
some
of
the
questions
and
give
answers,
I
can
I'm
certainly
happy
to
do
that.
K
Okay,
sure,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
pull
up
my
notes
here.
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
some
questions
from
last
time
from
counselor
via
real
one
of
the
questions
was:
when
did
this
be
become
an
ordinance
it
looks
like
it
was
in
2010.
K
K
So
I
I
have
been
working
with
aaron
on
this.
I
think
to
have
that
be
an
option.
There
would
need
to
be
some
coordination
with
the
state,
namely
mbd,
so
we're
we're
looking
at
the
legal
parameters.
If
that's
something
that
we
are
able
to
do.
K
K
L
K
See
the
map
so
like
I
said
this
is
the
approximate
location
for
each
of
the
citations
that
have
been
issued
from
2018
through
2021.
You
can
of
course
see
they
seem
to
kind
of
be
centered
around
downtown
area,
and
I
hope
captain
tapia
will
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
I
I
would.
I
would
suspect
that
that
is
likely,
because
the
the
blitz
program
that
was
going
on
last
summer
was
was
focused
on
the
downtown
area.
H
K
Yeah
and
I'd
be
happy
to
get
that
that
map
up,
if,
if
anyone
would
like
counselor
rivera,
also
had
some
questions
regarding
some
some
demographical
information.
Unfortunately,
on
the
citations
there
really.
K
On
birth
year,
1963
being
the
the
oldest
person
cited
2005
being
the
youngest,
I
did
break
it
down
further
by
rough
age
group,
so
1963
through
1970
accounted
for
three
people
1971
through
1980
accounted
for
two
citations
1981
through
1990
accounted
for
four
citations
in
1991
through
2005
accounted
for
70
citations.
K
Like
I
mentioned,
I
think,
last
time
there
were
79
citations
issued.
It
looks
like
78
of
those
were
for
noise
violations.
I
I
would
suspect
that
the
other
one
was
also,
but
I
could
not
tell
from
the
citation
if
it
was
for
noise
or
for
smoke.
K
K
I
broke
it
down
by
year.
Also
so
1979
model
year
to
1985
accounted
for
three
citations
1986
through
1990
accounted
for
one
1991
through
1995.
There
were
no
citations
for
that
time.
Frame
1996
to
2000
accounted
for
11
2001
through
2005
accounted
for
18
2006.
The
2010
accounted
for
16.
K
2011
through
2015
accounted
for
21
in
2016
through
2021
accounted
for
seven.
Two
of
the
citations
did
not
have
a
model
year.
So
that's
why
the
numbers
may
not
add
up
quite
to
quite
to
the
79.
K
K
K
And
then
it
was,
there
was
a
question.
K
Ticket
so
I
I
tried
to
think
of
a
place
other
places
in
the
uto
that
has
something
similar.
It's
not
the
best
comparison,
but
the
one
I
could
think
of
was
under
the
mandatory
financial
responsibility
section.
That
does
have
a
specific
provision
that
says.
If
someone
brings
in
proof
that
they
had
valid
insurance
at
the
time
they
stopped
that
they
they
will
not
be
convicted
on
it.
That
was
the
closest
thing
I
could
think.
That's
currently
in
the
uto
uniform
traffic
ordinance.
K
I'm
not
sure
if
there
could
be
some
language
added
specifically
saying
that
if
someone
fixes
it
beforehand
that
they,
they
won't
be
convicted
of
of
the
muffler
problem
or
of
the
loud
muffler.
K
So
I
I
think
that
was
the
questions
that
I
had
in
my
notes,
but
I'll
be
happy
to
try
to
answer
any
more
questions.
If
anyone
has
any
more.
A
Okay-
and
I
think
I
last
time
we
had
this
conversation
provided
some
misinformation,
it's
my
understanding
that,
in
order
for
us
to
do
an
emissions
program-
and
you
alluded
to
this-
we
so
bernalillo
can
do
this,
because
the
legislature
gave
them
the
authority
to
do
the
emissions
program
through
the
new
mexico
air
quality
act,
and
they
would
have
to
do
that
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
an
emissions
program
or
for
like
if
we
wanted
to
do
a
regional
one,
say
santa
fe,
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
santa
fe
county
or
or
if
they
wanted
to
just
give
the
county
that
responsibility.
A
Take
us
out
of
it.
So
to
do
an
emissions
program
would
require
a
change
to
give
a
local
government
authority.
To
do
that
is.
Is
that
your
understanding
as
well.
K
Carol,
merworth,
you
are
correct
that
the
air
quality
control
act
does
specifically
give
albuquerque
and
bernalillo
county
the
authority.
You
know
that
that
is
part
of
the
legal
parameters
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
That
aaron
and
I
are
looking
at
to
see
if,
if
there
needs
to
be
a
change
to
the
air
quality
control
act
for
us
to
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,
to
do
it
or
if
you
know
just
kind
of
general
home
rule
municipality
powers,
allow
us
to
do
it.
L
I
know
that
albuquerque
is.
I.
A
Yeah,
so
I
think
bernalillo
did
this
because
they
were
given
the
authority
by
the
legislature
through
the
new
mexico
quality
control
act.
So
I
guess
it's
an
outstanding
question
about
whether
we
would
need
the
same,
but
I
sort
of
think
we
do
so
we'll
wait
to
hear
more
about
that
as
you
and
aaron
sort
that
out
all
right
questions
from
the
committee
about
this
council
rivera.
D
Thank
you,
kyle
for
all
the
information
very
helpful.
What
I
didn't
see
in
your
or
hear
in
your
presentation
was
any
repeat
offenders.
As
you
know,
the
what
we're
looking
at
now
is
calling
for
increased
fines.
So
did
we
notice
any
repeat
offenders.
K
So
it
does
look
like
there
were
seven
repeat
offenders
out
of
the
79.,
seven
of
them
and.
K
Cherry
remember
worth
the
counselor
river-
I
I
don't
know
if
they.
If
there
was
one
person
that
got
six
more
citations
I
was
just
looking
to.
We
were
just
looking
to
see
if
there
were
well.
Actually
I
take
that
back
that
that
is
going
to
be.
K
I
I
can't
say
if
it
was
just
one
person
they
got
the
the
more
or
there
was
all
seven
different
people
got
it.
I
I
apologize
for
that.
M
And
counselors
it
looks
like
there
was
a
couple
different
people
that
received
a
repeat
ticket.
There
wasn't
one
person
that
had
more
than
two
according
to
the
records
I
have
here.
D
All
right,
thank
you
captain
and
then
can
you
repeat
the
figure
you
gave
as
far
as
those
that
paid
the
citation
versus
going
to
court.
I
think
he
said
the
number,
but
I
wasn't
sure.
K
Chair
remember
worth
counseling,
I
did
say
number:
it
was
20.
20
people
decided
to
just
pay
the
ticket.
D
All
right
and
were
you
able
to
to
check
if
a
penalty
assessment
misdemeanor
stays
on
a
record
or
is
part
of
a
like
an
application
process
for
people?
D
You
know
if
they've
ever
been
convicted
of
a
crime
or
a
misdemeanor?
Were
you
able
to
look
into
that.
K
Jerry
merworth
councillor
rivera-
I
I
wasn't
able
to
look
at
that.
I
I
just
do
want
to
make.
I
don't
think
I
did
a
good
job
last
time
up
of
explaining
this,
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
attempt
it
again
penalty
assessment,
misdemeanor,
it's
so
this
this
class
would
be
the
same
as
for
a
speeding
ticket
or
not
regular,
for
not
having
your
registration,
stuff
traffic
infractions
like
that.
So
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
still
a
traffic
offense.
K
It's
it's
kind
of
a
term
of
art.
Like
I
said
and
and
this
by
the
way
the
state
in
their
statutes
uses,
uses
the
same
terminology,
and
I
think
it's
to
distinguish
between
you
know
to
traffic
offenses
that
could
result
in
a
girl
sentence.
D
Okay,
I
think
you
answered
everything
else
that
I
had
asked
about
previously.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair,
and
and
thank
you
kyle
for
providing
that
information.
Captain
topia.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here,
we
did
have
a
number
of
questions
about
the
process
by
which
somebody
receives
a
violation
and
how
it
is
determined
that
they
are
in
violation.
Can
you
provide
us
more
information
on
on
that
process?.
M
Manager,
counselor,
that's
a
very
good
question,
because
this
is
a
perception
type
of
traffic.
Stop
perception.
Enforcement
and
perceptions
can
be
very
different
between
me
and
maybe
another
officer.
It
may
drive
a
diesel
truck
and
a
harley
davidson
motor
vehicle
or
harley-davidson
motorcycle.
The
perceptions
could
be
different.
Some
of
them
are
very
easy
to
identify.
The
excessive
or
unusual
noise
is
to
where
it's
super
loud
sounding
like
what's
called
a
straight
pipe
or
or
no
muffler
installed,
but
you
do
have
ones
that
could
be
a
sports
car.
M
It
could
be
a
large
diesel
vehicle
or,
like
I
said,
a
motorcycle.
That's
a
stock
installed
muffler.
That
is
extremely
loud,
so
the
perception
is
what
makes
it
difficult,
but
the
way
the
the
traffic
stop
would
be
is
if
an
officer
observed
a
vehicle
that
they
perceived
as
excessive
or
unusual
noise,
they
would
stop
the
vehicle
speak
with
the
driver,
maybe
get
an
admission
that
the
person
had
modified
their
factory
exhaust,
which
would
give
us.
M
You
know
the
the
proof
we
need
to
issue
a
citation
if
there's
denial,
it's
very
difficult
because
there's
not
many
officers
out
there
that
have
the
ability
to
crawl
underneath
the
vehicle
to
inspect
it.
We
wear
many
hats,
but
some
of
us
know
aren't
very
mechanically
inclined
that
may
not
know
the
difference
between
a
stock
or
standard
muffler
device
or
emissions
system
installed.
M
So
if
we
could
articulate
that
there
was
modifications
that
was
creating
the
excessive
or
usual
noise,
we
would
issue
a
citation
if
there
wasn't
enough
proof,
sometimes
we'd
issue,
a
written
warning
or
discuss
it
with
the
driver
to
try
and
get
voluntary
compliance.
I
Thank
you,
captain
tapia,
I
I
believe
that's
what
a
lot
of
us
were
understanding
from,
because
obviously
this
is
not
the
first
time
this
has
been
discussed
in
the
last
pandemic.
That's
my
new
term
for
a
period
of
time.
So,
but
we
I
know
that
this
has
been
an
ongoing
discussion
and
we
really
I've
heard
that
a
number
of
times
from
from
the
police
department
that
this
is
one
of
the
many
challenges.
I
I
Motorcycles
is
my
understanding,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
the
motorcycle
field
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
and
that
would
be
considered
normal,
because
we
know
that
that
factory
stock
muffler
is
going
to
be
loud,
but
you
might
see
a
different
type
of
car
that
you
would
expect
to
be
quieter
and
that
that
would
be
the
difference
of
someone
being
pulled
over
is
essentially
a
police
officer's
knowledge
of
what
cars
you
might
expect
to
see
hear
louder
noise
coming
from
as
opposed
to
another
one.
Am
I
understanding
that
correctly.
M
Absolutely
there's
it's
still
under
perception
is:
if
an
officer
feels
that
a
motorcycle
is
excessive
or
unusual,
they
can
issue
a
citation
to
where
the
owner
operator
may
request
the
court
date
and
then
would
have
to
deal
with
the
city
attorney
city
prosecutor
there
at
municipal
court
produced
that
it
is
factory
or
non-modified,
but
it's
hard
to
make
that
decision
out
in
the
field
when
it
could
be
something
that
was
not
altered.
M
I
Okay,
thank
you
and
that
that
helps
because
I
know
another
conversation
that
has
come
up
is
like
well,
do
you
guys
have
doppler
readers
and
what
is
the
you
know,
level
of
noise
that
is
considered
excessive
and
that
doesn't
quite
work
either
from
what
you're
telling
me
am.
I
am
I
understanding
that
correctly.
M
So
none
of
us
have
decimal
meters
issued
to
us.
We
don't
have
them
installed,
it's
very
different
than
a
speeding
violation
where
we
are
trained
to
use
a
speed
detection
device,
and
that
gives
us
proof
that
the
offender
was
violating
the
city
ordinance.
This
one
is
one
where
it's
very
perception
based
and
it's
very
hard
to
articulate
in
a
court
of
law
unless
we
have
very
clear
evidence
that
a
muffler
was
removed,
or
it
was
clearly
altered.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Captain
tapia.
I
appreciate
that
further
information.
That
was
another
big
question
mark
from
last
time.
I
I
I
guess
again,
and
I
I
will-
I
will
give
council
romero
worth
the
credit
for
this
question
of
what
are
we
trying
to
solve
here,
because
there
is
this
this
component,
that
I
understand
that
a
lot
of
this
is
really
related
to
drag
racing,
and
so,
when
we
are
hearing
these
loud
cars
driving
very
quickly
around
the
city,
there's
also
this
component
of
drag
racing,
which
I
would
assume
would
also
fall
under
the
lines
of
speeding
of
reckless
driving,
and
so
there
potentially
is
another
avenue
to
solving
this
problem
that
we
already
have
in
place.
M
I
And
with
them
again,
I'm
showing
my
lack
of
knowledge
in
this
area
about
modifying
your
muffler.
If
you
do
modify
a
muffler,
is
it
always
loud
or
do
you
have
to
rev
it
to
make
it
loud?
So
so,
when
they're
drag
racing,
are
they
louder
because
they're
going
faster
and
they're
revving
or
is
this
kind
of
a
always?
They
sound
a
little
bit
louder
once
they
have
modified
that
equipment.
M
Manager,
counselor
cassette
they
there
are
some
mufflers
that
will
shake
your
windows
at
idle,
so
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
rev
it,
but
I
have
been
driving
around
town
and
had
a
souped-up
sports
car
next
to
me,
and
it's
very
loud
sitting
at
a
red
light,
just
idly
so
it
varies
their
their
upgrades.
I
guess
they
would
call
it
for
their
cars.
That
would
make
it
very
loud
or
change
the
pitch
of
it,
but
there's
also
other
mufflers
that
would
just
replace
factory
if
it
was
damaged.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
think
I
have
further
questions
at
this
time.
This
is
a
little
it's.
It
feels
to
me
a
little
bit
of
a
this
is
not
a
cut
and
dry
issue
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination
is
really
what
I'm
seeing
here
and
as
councilor
mayor
worth
brought
up
last
time.
I
I
think
that
looking
at
the
emissions
testing
piece
and
where
we
could
go
there,
that
sounds
like
for
some
of
this
preventative
work
of
preventing
these
modified
equipment
violations
that,
if
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
prevention,
that
way,
that's
something
that
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
further
explore
addressing
this
issue.
I
C
Councilwoman
via
rail.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
captain
tapia
for
being
with
us.
It's
helpful
to
have
that
perspective
from
like
on
the
ground
perspective,
and
I
think
just
based
on
you
know
one
of
the
questions
I
had
about
how
many
citations
were
issued
between
the
time.
This
actual
ordinance
started
from
2010
through
2017
at
least
there
were
only
15
citations
and
then
I
think
it
went
up
when
you
all
did
that
operation.
C
What
did
we
call
it?
Sorry,
we
had
different
names
for
it:
low
and
quiet,
slow
and
quiet.
Okay,
so-
and
I
think
that's
when
it
it
increased,
but
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
from
your
point
of
view
about
how
someone's
at
my
door,
I
can't
get
it
about
the
piece
of
how
to
determine
it,
and
you
said
it's
perception
based,
but
I
may
have
to
get
this
really
quickly.
A
Why
don't
you
take
it
and
I'll
ask
a
question
one
where
you
go,
captain
tapia,
thank
you
for
being
with
us,
so
you
all
don't
have
decibel
readers.
Do
you
are
you
do
you
know?
Do
other
police
departments
have
them?
Is
that
something
that
you
know
if
we
wanted
to?
We
could
equip
police
with
decibel
readers,
and
you
know
you
could,
and
I
don't
know
you
know.
I
know
we
have.
I
think
our
our
code
already
says
you.
Sorry.
A
So
we
already
say
what
you
know:
we
have
a
noise
ordinance
and
if
you
go
above
a
certain
decibel
level,
then
you're
in
violation
would
that
apply
to
these
mufflers
and
and
could
we,
if
you
were
equipped
with
these
things?
Theoretically,
hypothetically,
is
this
something
you
could
be
charged
with
enforcing
I
mean
I,
I
know
you're
going
to
tell
me
you
got
enough
to
do
you
don't
need
anything
else,
but
just
curious,
like
whether
other
police
departments
at
the
local
level
do
this.
M
Madam
chair,
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
other
agencies
that
do
equip
their
officers
with
decimal
readers,
I
mean
we
can
certainly
do
that,
but
then
we'd
run
into
the
problem,
there's
nothing
in
the
city
ordinance
that
gives
in
this
muffler
ordinance
that
gives
a
decimal
limit.
So
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
articulate
that
it's
at
a
certain
limit
that
would
apply
to
this
specific
ordinance.
A
Right,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
wondering
is
so
though
it
goes
back
to
the
what's
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve
right.
Is
it
the
noise
of
these
things?
And
so,
therefore,
if
we
did
something
to
our
code
to
say,
if
your
muffler
is
above
this
noise
level,
then
and
you're
recorded
with
a
decibel
reader,
then
you
would
get
ticketed
or
what
we're
doing
now
is
we
say
you
can't
have
an
altered,
muffler
period
and
then
we're
into
this
perception
problem.
A
So
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
like
different
ways
of
solving
this,
really
and
and
also
wondering
you
know
what
other
cities
do.
I,
I
did
not
too
long
ago
traveled
through
a
city
where
they
very
prominently
said
what
their
noise
level
was,
and
they
said
you
know
you
can't
be
above
whatever
the
decibel
level
was.
So
I
just
curious.
A
You
know
whether
there
are
other
paths
to
getting
it.
You
know
if
it's
drag
racing,
that's
one
thing:
if
it's
noise
level,
that's
one
thing:
if
it's
altered
muffler
and
we
don't
like
altered
mufflers
because
they
pollute
and
they
you
know,
also
make
noise.
That's
another
thing,
but
then
again
we
get
into
this
perception
thing.
So
I
don't
know
I'm
just
exploring
what
options
we
might
have.
M
A
Okay,
I'll
go
back
to
councilwoman
verrell.
Now
that
she's
answered
the
door
and
let
whoever
was
there
in
it
was.
C
A
police
officer,
no
I'm
just
kidding
it,
wasn't
it
wasn't.
Actually
I
had
the
same
question
about
the
decibel
readings
because
you
know
constituents
of
ours
had
said
well.
Why
don't
they
just
install
the
decibel
readings
and
on
the
on
your
vehicles
and
be
done
with
that,
and
then
you
can
track
that,
but
you're
saying
that
this
well,
I
hear
two
things,
one
that
this
decibel
limit
isn't
established
in
this
ordinance
and
also
that
there
would
be
a
need
for
training
to
use
those
within
the
department.
M
Yes,
we
would
have
to
have
some
sort
of
training
and
knowledge
of
how
the
system,
even
on
a
simple
level,
works,
to
be
able
to
articulate
in
a
court
of
law,
and
then
it
would
have
to
be
something
that
would
be
accepted
as
testimony
based
off
of
this
equipment
with
our
radar
devices,
we're
required
to
re-certify
them
every
two
years.
That
gives
us
a
certificate.
M
C
Yep,
that's
what
I
was
wondering.
Well,
I
mean
it's
not
budgeted
right
now
either.
So
I
guess
the
other
thing
is
in
your
experience
and
what
you're
seeing
with
our
what
our
officers
are
focused
on
or
what
they're
seeing
out
there
in
the
community.
Would
you
say
that
there's
more
issues
with
drag
racing,
I.e,
reckless,
driving
and
or
speeding,
like
you,
said,
moving
violations
versus
loud
mufflers
equipment,
related
issues.
M
Well,
councilwoman
villarreal.
I
was
a
traffic
officer
for
over
seven
years
early
in
my
career
here
and
in
those
seven
years
my
primary
job
was
to
enforce
traffic
law
and
I
wrote
a
lot
more
speeding,
reckless
and
moving
violations
than
I
wrote
for
equipment
violations,
and
that
is
solely
because
that
is
where
the
risk
is.
That
is
the
safety
concern.
M
Looking
at
since
2018,
we
didn't
increase
our
mueller
citations
until
2020,
when
we
did
specific
that
operation
in
the
downtown
area,
where
we
went
from
one
citation
in
2019
to
57
citations
in
2000
or
on
2020,
and
then
as
of
september
10th.
This
year
we
are
at
31
citations.
M
C
The
other
issue
I
thought,
was
kind
of
at
that
high
level
tour
running
red
lights.
I
see
that
way
more
just
being
out
on
the
street,
so
in
this
same
ordinance
we're
actually
not
increasing
that
piece.
It's
actually
still
25
as
a
violation
of
red
light
running.
So
I
guess
I
kept
thinking.
C
That's
a
bigger
issue,
as
it
relates
to
safety
versus
increasing
the
violations,
the
citations
for
something
that
you
said
is
a
perception,
type
violation,
and
so
that
gives
me
pause,
because
if
it's
someone's
perception,
then
it's
subjective
and
it's
not
real
clear-cut,
and
so
that's
what's
hard
about
this.
I
guess
I
wanted
to
hear
from
you.
Do
you
think
increasing
the
citation
amount
would
deter
would
be
a
deterrent
for
situations
related
to
muffler
noise
and
modifications.
M
C
C
Do
you
have
any
other
suggestions
you
think
would
be,
would
help
for
this
particular
issue
that
we're
dealing
with
that's
just
been,
I
guess,
just
exploded
even
more
because
of
the
pandemic,
I
mean,
I
don't
ever
remember
growing
up
and
having
this
issue
or
that
it
being
such
a
big
issue
or
an
issue
that
we
hear
a
lot
from
our
constituents
about
so
any
thoughts
on
that
about
like
being
more
proactive
or
doing
like
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to,
as
they
say,
offer
the
carrot
versus
the
stick
approach.
M
I'm
sure
someone
via
rail,
I
think
the
only
thing
that
would
help
us
in
enforcing
more
traffic
violations
is
more
staffing
and
y'all
know
we're
working
on
trying
to
increase
that.
But
staffing
is,
is
essential
for
proactive
preventative
controls.
C
Okay
I'll
yield
the
floor,
I'm
not
really
sure
what
to
do
what
what
to
do
about
this.
Based
on
your
the
information
you
provided
us,
and
also
that
mr
hibner
also
provided
us.
Thank
you
for
doing
that
research.
It
was
helpful
to
get
a
bigger
picture,
so
I
yield
the
floor
for
now.
Think
about
this
more.
A
I
see
director
ochoa
popped
in.
Did
you
want
to
make
some
comments
here
in
the
discussion
we've
been
having.
H
Adam
chair,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Captain
tapia.
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
the
the
emissions
angle
and
the
capacity
to
address
moving
violations
would
be
my
two
requests
of
the
council
in
terms
of
helping
us
to
address
this
from
different
angles
than
the
decibel
level.
H
And
you
know,
capacity
to
address
speeding
violations
will
be
enhanced
with
increased
staffing,
as
well
as
technological
solutions
to
that
issue,
as
well.
A
I
yeah
and
I
I
just
lost
my
train
of
thought.
A
Waiting
for
it
to
come
back,
I
guess
I.
I
really
would
like
us
to
explore
having
some
sort
of
program,
maybe
through
the
county,
and
it
maybe
doesn't
have
to
be
emissions
either.
Maybe
it
just
has
to
be
that
you
know
when
you
get
your
vehicle
registered
you,
and
maybe
it's
a
statewide
thing.
You
have
to
pass
an
inspection
of
your
vehicle,
which
means
it
captures
a
whole
bunch
of
things
right.
It's
you
can't
have
an
altered.
Muffler,
you
can't
have
a
broken
windshield.
A
You
can't
have
the
license
plate
covering
on
the
back
of
your
car,
so
that
you
know
you
can't
so
that
officers
can't
see
the
numbers
on
your
license
plate.
You
can't
have
tinted
windows
beyond
that
are
darker
than
what
state
law
says
it.
A
It
seems
to
me
that
having
some
sort
of
program
where
you
had
to
have
your
vehicle
inspected
would
solve
a
whole
host
of
things,
a
whole
host
of
problems
that
we
need
to
do
something
about,
and-
and
I
guess
I'd
rather
see
us
do
that
than
this,
especially
when
we
are
not
giving
out
tickets,
you
know
other
than
under
these
special
operations.
A
I
I
just-
and
I
hate
the
idea
of
you
know
again.
I
think
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
our
fines
and
fees
and
make
sure
that
we're
not
having
unintended
consequences.
So
those
are
a
few
of
my
remaining
concerns
and
I
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
some
other
ways
of
solving
this
problem.
So
with
that
I
see,
counselor
cassette
has
her
hand
up.
I
Yeah,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
You
actually
began
to
touch
on
the
question
that
I
forgot
to
ask
for
captain
tapia.
You
know
when,
when
I'm
looking
at
at
the
current
ordinance,
it
says
every
motor
vehicle
shall
at
all
times
be
equipped
with
a
muffler
in
good
working
order
and
in
constant
operation
to
prevent
excessive
or
unusual
noise,
and
no
person
shall
use
a
muffler
cutout
bypass
or
similar
device
and.
L
I
The
questions
that
I
had
last
time
had
to
do
with
individuals
who
may
not
necessarily
have
the
financial
ability
to
fix
a
loud
muffler
that
has
become
loud
because
of
just
wear
and
tear
on
the
car
and
and
just
not
able
to
get
that
fixed
and
if
it's
not
necessarily
a
safety
issue,
they
may
choose
not
to
to
fix
that
one
and
would
rather
go
for
something
to
make
sure
that
their
car
is
is
safe
and
there
are
concerns
there,
of
course,
environmentally
and
with
the
emissions
and
and
those
components.
I
M
Madam
chair
councilwoman
cassette,
I
haven't
had
the
chance
to
review
every
single
one
of
these
citations
we've
issued.
But
in
my
experience
and
what
I
have
seen,
it
appears
it's
more
of
after-market
modification.
M
Now
there
are
some
older
vehicles
that
may
get
damaged
and
start
throwing
smoke.
That's
a
lot
easier
to
spot
and
pull
over
when
a
car
is
shooting
out
a
bunch
of
black
smoke
from
the
back.
But
more
so
it's
it's.
The
trend
that
started
in
2020
the
trend
of
large
groups
of
people
starting
to
modify
their
exhaust
systems
to
make
them
really
loud
or
very
deep
high-pitched
different
systems.
I
So
do
you
so
the
actually
do
you
think
that
the
modification
is
a
new
trend
or
just
the
utilization
of
those
cars
on
our
streets
because
our
streets
were
empty
because
that's
I
I
think
that
we
were
all
kind
of
assuming
the
latter
that
all
you
know.
People
were
like
hey
empty
streets,
let's
drive
really
fast
on
them
and
make
a
lot
of
noise.
But
do
you
think
that
there's
actually
been
an
increase
in
people
who
have
been
wanting
to
make
these
modifications
to
their
cars?
Or
do
we
not
know.
M
From
the
beginning
of
time,
people
have
modified
their
mufflers,
you
know
in
the
60s
and
70s
they
put
the
cherry
bombs
on.
I
was
guilty
in
high
school.
I
put
a
loud
muffler
on
my
car
when
I
was
in
high
school
to
annoy
everybody,
and
then
I
grew
up,
but
it's
it's
always
been
a
trend.
People
like
to
have
loud
cars.
I
I
Yeah,
I
I'm
not
sure
I
have
more
questions
or
really.
I
think
that
I
think,
where
I'm
struggling
is
that
I
feel
like
this
is
a
there's,
a
larger
situation,
there's
a
larger
issue
and
that
there
needs
to
be
a
more
comprehensive
plan
of
action
here
and-
and
I
think
that
that's
where
I'm
really
struggling
with
this
and
to
councilwoman
vaderial's
point
of
like
well
we're
raising
this
one
up
this
much.
But
what
about
you
know
running
red
lights,
which
is
fatal
in
some
instances
and
so.
I
I
know
I'm
on
one
of
the
routes.
You
know
I
got
rodeo
and
camino
carlos
ryan
governor
miles.
So
definitely
I
hear
them
every
night
at
11,
30.,
that's
you
know
very
common
and
I
understand
the
frustrations
and
so.
I
The
most
comprehensive
solution
for
us
at
this
time
and
it
feels
just
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
piecemeal.
So
that's
that's
where
I'm
really
struggling
with
this.
You
know,
as
captain
tabia
said,
if
this
is
a
trend
that
people
are
doing,
they
may
be
deterred
from
utilizing
those
cars
or
may
get
them.
I
You
know
fixed
back.
You
know
unmodified
if,
if
they're
concerned
about
the
dollars
but
yeah,
I
don't
know
I'm
a
little
bit,
I'm
torn
on
this
one.
Sorry
now,
I'm
rambling,
I
will
you'll
feel
the.
A
I
mean
I
I
agree
with
you.
I
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
this.
Do
some
more
work
and
come
back
with
something
else
would
be
my
preference.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
see
any
more
hands
up.
Anybody
want
to
make
a
motion.
D
I'll
move
to
deny
consideration
of
this
bill
at
this
time.
A
Is
there
a
second
a
second
all
right?
We
have
a
motion
to
deny
approval,
essentially
not
approved
correct
counselors
this
this
bill
at
this
moment.
So
if
and
we
have
a
second,
can
we
get
a
well?
Is
there
a
discussion
on
that
and
if
not,
can
we
get
a
roll
call.
D
A
A
Yes,
all
right
that
motion
passes.
We
will
not
be
approving
this
bill
tonight
in
its
current
form.
We
will
move
on.
Then
we
don't
have
an
executive
session.
We
do.
We
have
matters
from
staff,
any
matters
from
staff.
A
Matters
from
the
committee
matters
from
the
chair.
Our
next
meeting
is
wednesday
november
3rd,
and
with
that,
thank
you.
Everyone.
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
and
we'll
see
you
at
the
next.