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B
B
We
moved
to
approval
of
the
agenda,
we
have
one
change
tonight.
We
are
pulling
item
7a,
it's
being
worked
on
some
more,
it
was
heard
at
finance
and
there
are
a
number
of
questions
and
things
that
need
to
happen
there.
I
don't
know
if
there
are
other
changes
from
the
committee
or
from
staff.
Now
would
be
the
time
to
make
them.
B
B
B
Okay
or
or
director
brown
terrific
are
there
items
that
the
that
the
committee
would
like
to
hear.
F
Yeah,
I
understand
I'm
thinking
about
how
to
so.
I
can't
look
back
at
the
finance
committee
and
or
I
can
look
at
the
minutes
and
try
to
figure
out
what
finance
committee
asked,
because
the
minutes
don't
have
that
kind
of
information.
I
guess
I
could
go
back
and
look
at
the
hit.
The
a
video
of
it.
Is
there
a
synopsis
that
somebody
can
give
as
to
what
kind
of
questions
or
concerns
the
finance
committee
had.
B
There
was,
it
was
a
long
discussion.
It
is
queued
now
on
the
I'm
told
that
they
they,
what
do
they?
They
cue
it
and
they
time
stamp
it
so
that
you
can
go
back
to
the
meeting
agenda
and
play
just
that
section.
But
it
was
a
lengthy
conversation
and
there
were
a
number
of
com
questions
and
I
don't
think
I
can
summarize
them
and
be
fair.
F
B
Okay,
are
there
items
that
the
committee
would
like
to
pull
other
than
that
councilwoman
viarelle?
Thank
you,
madam
chair
item.
B
B
Second,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
As
amended,
is
there
a?
Can
we
get
a
roll
call
on
that?
Please.
C
B
B
F
B
Terrific
on
so
now
we
have
a
few
presentations
and
I'm
not
sure,
is
tomas
rivera
in
our
attendee
room,
or
is
somebody
else
giving
that
presentation
tonight?
I
don't
see
him
in.
I
said:
oh
wait,
chainbreaker
collective
is
in
the
attendee
room
that
may
be
tomas.
Can
somebody.
B
Okay,
tomas
you're
upside
down
anything
you
can
do
about
that.
B
All
right,
so
I
think
we
have
our
presenters
here.
We
have
tonight
with
us
and
I'm
just
trying
to
pull
the
whole
caption
a
presentation
on
the
report
entitled
beyond
recovery
policy,
recommendations
to
prevent
evictions
and
promote
housing,
security
in
santa
fe
part
three
and
tomas
rivera
is
here,
he's
the
executive
director
of
the
chain,
breaker,
collective
and
tomas,
I'm
going
to
let
you
take
it
away
and
introduce
kathy
and
her
role
and
just
turn
it
over
to
you.
So,
thanks
for
being
here
tonight,
great
thank.
H
You
counselor
and
thank
you
councillor
meadowworth
and
our
chair
of
middleworth
and
counselors,
we're
happy
to
be
here
today.
Yeah,
I'm
gonna
just
turn
it
right
back
over
to
kathy
who's
going
to
do
the
presentation
on
the
report.
B
J
Thank
you.
Yes,
my
name
is
kathy
garcia
and
I
am
a
community
organizer
here
with
chain
breaker
and
I
am
on
the
full-time
staff.
B
Terrific,
I
just
want
the
public
to
know,
should
they
be
watching
or
go
back
and
watch
it's
important
that
they
know
who
you
are.
I
know
you've
been
before
our
committee
before
and
really
appreciate
it.
You
always
do
a
nice
job.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate.
J
That
chairperson
romero
worth,
and
thank
you
again
to
all
of
the
counselors
and
all
of
the
folks
present
for
inviting
us
here
to
speak
about
the
report.
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
begin
screen
share.
We
do
have
slides
that
are
kind
of
we've
been
using
to
kind
of
help.
Explain
what's
been
going
on.
K
J
We've
gotten
all
that,
and
here
we
go.
J
Yeah,
that
is
all
there
okay,
so,
yes,
we
have
been
working
on
a
variety
of
reports
we
are
presenting
today,
information
on
the
third
in
a
series
of
reports.
Third
and
final,
the
first
report
really
described
this
housing
situation
before
the
pandemic
started.
J
Our
second
report
was
a
very
heavy
in
data
analysis
of
the
rate
of
eviction
filings
that
were
actually
filed
in
the
state
of
new
mexico
and
in
the
city
during
the
time
period
of
2020,
during
which
the
various
eviction
moratoria
were
in
place.
Of
course,
we
are
here
to
share
what
we've
learned
from
those
investigations,
because
we
feel
that
we've
come
up
with
a
list
of
policy
recommendations
in
collaboration
with
other
organizations,
members
of
city,
council,
members
of
city
staff.
J
Some
of
you
folks
will
be
very
familiar
with
some
of
the
recommendations
we've
made
here,
and
so
that
is
what
we're
hoping
is
that
these
these
recommendations
will
be
picked
up
by
city
leaders
and,
of
course,
hopefully
also
by
state
leaders,
as
we
really
seek
to
expand
tenant
protections,
not
just
during
the
emerge,
the
health
emergency
but
beyond,
and
into
the
recovery
period
into
more
permanent
protections.
J
When
we
look
at
who
has
been
behind
on
rent
nationwide,
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
things
that
mirror
what
we're
seeing
here
in
santa
fe
and
its
data
disproportionately,
we
see
vulnerable
communities
being
impacted
by
eviction
by
a
coveted
infection
by
loss
of
income
by
loss
of
job
status,
so
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
these
intersections
really
come
together.
So
when
we're
talking
about
an
eviction,
moratorium
or
tenant
protections,
they
are
not
separated
from
the
public
health
crisis,
nor
are
they
separated
from
the
context
of
what
has
come
before.
F
Madam
chair,
can
I
interrupt
real
quick,
so
I'm
trying
to
follow
online
or
on
prime
gov,
the
presentation
that
was
presented
or
that's
loaded
onto
primegov
and
can't
find
it.
So?
Can
you
tell
me
what
page
you're
on
miss
garcia.
F
J
B
Yeah,
it
looks
like
what
we
have
maybe
something
different
than
what
you're
sharing
with
us.
So
what
what
we
have
is
something
dated
august
2021
beyond
recovery
policy,
recommendations
to
prevent
evictions
and
promote
housing
security
in
santa
fe,
adam
chair,
that's
the.
B
A
A
B
J
So
awesome,
thank
you
yes,
councilwoman
via
real.
That
is
correct,
and
I
think
I
understand
a
little
bit
better
council
person
rivera.
J
Yes,
I
believe
what
was
shared
was
a
copy
of
the
report
and
yes,
I'm
I'm
right
now,
I'm
presenting
a
bit
of
a
summary
of
that
report,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
point
to
the
certain
pages
of
the
report
when
I
get
to
that
slide.
If
that
makes
sense,.
F
H
B
If
you
send
it
to
jamie
ray,
she
can
get
it
out
to
the
committee
if
that's
something
that
you're
you're
able
to
do
that'd
be
great.
Okay.
Thank
you.
J
Take
it
away
kathy,
thank
you.
So
there
is,
of
course,
national
context
for
what
we're
describing
here
while
we
are-
and
our
report
focuses
very
specifically
on
santa
fe-
you
know
this
is
about
how
all
of
these
laws
and
all
of
these
protections
interact
with
each
other.
So
we
will
also
be
talking
a
little
bit
here
in
this
presentation
and
more
in
depth
in
the
report
about
its
intersection
with
state
law
in
new
mexico
around
renters,
and
also,
of
course,
what
the
federal
government
is
doing
of
a
really
critical
importance.
J
You
may
have
heard
that
very
recently,
the
supreme
court
has
overturned
the
cdc
eviction
moratorium.
J
The
cdc
eviction
moratorium
had
been
extended
through
october
3rd
and
would
have
gone
until
that
time,
but
for
the
supreme
court's
most
recent
intervention.
So
now,
states
and
cities
that
do
not
have
their
own
moratorium
in
place
are
being
served.
Eviction
notices
right
now,
so
we
know
that
that
will
definitely
have
an
impact
on
our
own
rental
and
housing
market,
which
of
course,
as
I'm
sure
many
of
you
already
know,
has
seen
ballooning
and
skyrocketing
prices
all
around.
J
I
believe
that
that
will
continue
to
be
the
case
since
we
are
new
mexico
residents
continue
to
be
protected
from
eviction
moratoriums,
but
as
states
they
lose
their
protections.
Then
we
know
that
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
internal
migration
within
our
own
within
our
own
country.
We
know
that
the
existence
of
the
federal
moratorium
impacted
the
rate
of
eviction
filings.
J
This
particular
graph
comes
from
our
second
report,
which
really
kind
of
like
I
mentioned,
really
detailed
in
data.
What
was
happening
during
the
moratorium-
and
this
was
what
we
saw
overall
evictions
statewide-
were
cut
in
half
just
from
regular
averages.
So
that's
fantastic
news.
Less
evictions
is
good
right
in
this
moment.
We're
trying
to
keep
people
housed
the
eviction
moratoriums
by
the
way
were
intended
to
keep
people
safe
from
covet.
This
is
about
mitigating
spread
within
the
community,
as
the
delta
variant
returns
and
starts.
J
J
These
dips
and
eviction
rates
were
because
the
various
moratoriums
at
the
federal
level
were
having
a
chilling
effect
on
how
landlords
in
new
mexico
were
interpreting
that.
Suffice
it
to
say
like
this,
if
folks
heard
on
the
news,
the
federal
government
has
done
xyz,
they
may
not
necessarily
be
aware
that
there
is
a
local
or
a
state
protection,
and
so
they
just
believe
great.
J
I
can
start
evicting
again
or
I'm
not
protected
anymore,
so
that
opens
up
the
door
for
that
type
of
vulnerability,
and
so
that's
what
we
see
in
these
little
dips
that
you
see
here
on
this
chart.
It
was
the
chilling
effect,
but
new
mexico
has
been,
and
continues
to
be,
protected
by
a
state
moratorium
which
was
put
in
place
by
the
state
supreme
court,
as
well
as
the
city
moratorium,
which
was
put
in
place
through
mayoral
emergency
order
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
both
of
those
continued
to
be
in
place.
J
Despite
the
existence
of
the
state
and
the
city
moratorium,
we
saw
that
evictions
are
continuing
throughout
the
year
2020
and
into
the
present
in
some
of
our
most
vulnerable
neighborhoods,
who
have
already
been
historically
rent
burdened,
which
have
seen
the
disproportionate
impacts
have
felt
the
disproportionate
impacts
of
unemployment,
of
job
loss
of
loss
in
wages,
not
to
mention
covett
infection
rates,
and
you
know,
rates
of
vaccination
have
also
lagged
in
some
of
these
key
census
tracts.
J
If
we
look
at
our
community,
we
can
see
that
with
evictions
at
the
rates
that
are
shown
here
on
these
graphs,
we
are
still
facing
a
housing
crisis
and
more
so,
if
this
is
the
rate
that
we're
seeing
during
moratorium,
I
am
terrified
to
think
of
what
will
happen
once
the
state
and
the
city
moratoriums,
lift
you
combine
this
with
the
rate
of
rental
assistance
that
is
being
distributed,
state
and
nationwide
we're
on
the
verge
of
a
catastrophe.
J
Quite
honestly,
we
need
to
get
rental
assistance
into
tenants
hands
before
the
state
moratorium
lifts.
Otherwise
there
was
no
point
in
the
moratorium
and
there
was
no
point
in
trying
to
get
that
money
distributed.
These
numbers
are
kind
of
they
speak
for
themselves.
J
So
after
seeing
and
synthesizing-
and
you
know
pulling
all
of
that
data
together
working
with
our
network
partners,
we
came
up
with
a
list
of
solutions
to
these
crises.
These
solutions
they
need
to
begin
now,
whether
they
are
short-term
emergency
protections
or
long-term
protections.
J
The
groundwork
for
all
of
these
policy
solutions
begins
today
again
part
of
why
I'm
grateful
to
be
able
to
present
this
information
to
the
quality
of
life
committee
with
the
lifting
of
the
federal
protections.
I
think
it's
even
more
urgent
for
city
and
state
leaders
everywhere
to
act
so
yeah.
Let's
talk
about
what
some
of
those
solutions
might
be
and
what
they
might
look
like
here
in
santa
fe.
J
We
know
that
in
the
immediate
we
need
to
stop
evictions
during
the
pandemic.
So
we
need
to
look
at
and
examine
the
current
city
emergency
order
and
how
we
can
expand
it
under
whatever
we're
allowed
to
do,
and
how
do
we
make
that
even
longer
and
how
do
we
codify
them
as
long-term
protections?
J
Can
we
strengthen
the
moratorium,
say
by
expanding
it
into
certain
zip
codes
and
saying
in
these
zip
codes?
The
moratorium
will
last
for
even
longer,
because
they're
even
more
vulnerable,
can
we
strengthen
it
by
expanding,
who
qualifies
for
the
eviction
moratorium
and
who
is
protected
by
it
currently,
because
the
eviction
moratorium
that
was
put
in
place
by
the
city
was
done
by
mayoral
order
to
violate
the
mayoral
order,
is
a
it's
a
crime,
and
so
it
has
to
be
reported
through
law
enforcement,
specifically
santa
fe
police
department.
J
As
you
can
imagine,
when
we
also
talk
about
the
intersection
of
vulnerable
communities
and
police
engagement,
there
are
very
few
folks
who
are
actually
willing
to
use
this
mechanism
in
order
to
actually
exercise
their
rights.
When
we're
asking
folks
to
call
the
cops
for
something
like
this,
it
also
feels
a
little
heavy-handed.
It
feels
like
we're
escalating
something
when
really
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
negotiate
and
find
a
solution.
J
For
that
reason,
we
really
believe
that
the
city
should
be
running
and
helping
to
support
an
attendant
side
hotline
and
be
doing
more
outreach.
There
is
a
lot
of
just
a
lot
of
information
that
is
just
not
known
to
folks
even
basic
things
like
what
should
your
contract
look
like,
and
how
does
that
impact
your
ability
to
make
a
complaint?
Let's
say
if
I
do
suspect
that
I
have
a
building
in
code
violation.
How
do
I
go
about
doing
that?
J
J
Data
collection
continues
to
be
a
very
big
challenge,
just
as
far
as
knowing
even
basic
things
like
how
many
units
are
being
rented
right
now
in
santa
fe.
How
many
landlords
are
there?
How
many
of
them
are
large-scale
versus
small-scale
landlords?
How
many
of
them
are
from
new
mexico
versus
from
out
of
state?
These
are
the
kinds
of
questions
which
really
nobody
in
the
state
or
in
the
city
can
answer,
because
this
data
is
not
being
collected
again.
J
All
of
this
really
relates
to
how
we're
deciding
to
make
these
policy
decisions,
as
the
moratorius
start
to
lift,
and
we
also
see
that
it's
really
urgent
to
forgive
debt
and
get
money
into
people's
hands
immediately.
J
We
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
forgive
city
water
debt,
since
that
is
one
of
the
utilities
owned
and
managed
by
the
city.
We
believe
that
there
are
mechanisms
to
use
emergency
funds,
whether
those
are
through
the
federal
or
through
the
city,
or
I'm
sorry,
through
the
federal
or
through
the
state,
to
find
ways
to
make
these
things
happen
the
accumulation
of
back
rent
and
fees,
because
the
moratorium
does
not
stop
the
debt
it.
The
debt
continues
to
be
owed
back
rent.
J
We
want
to
see
the
city
repeat
its
model
of
direct
cash
assistance,
which,
again
last
november
and
december,
the
city
of
santa
fe
partnered,
with
chain
breaker
and
with
somos
and
pueblo,
to
distribute
funds
quickly
to
tenants
and
city
residents
who
were
at
risk
of
eviction
and
who
were
at
specific
risk
of
losing
their
jobs.
J
That
particular
model
of
cash
distribution
is
something
we
would
love
to
see
the
city
repeat,
and
even
for
the
state
and
the
federal
government
to
use
as
a
model.
We
know
that
if
the
city
can
do
it
has
done
it
we'd
love
to
find
ways
to
do
it
again.
This
is
in
concert
with
the
fact
that
the
treasury
department
has
just
issued
again
last
week
new
guidance
on
how
states
can
spend
that
emergency
rental
assistance
money,
so
we're
all
waiting
with
baited
breath
exactly
what
that
interpretation
will
mean
at
the
state
level.
J
But
what
we're
hoping
is
that,
with
a
more
streamlined
application
process
and
a
you
know
kind
of
more
intentional
process
around
this,
that
we
could
actually
get
this
money
into
people's
hands
and
prevent
this
flood
of
evictions.
Related
to
that,
we
would
also
love
to
see
more
and
improved
mediation
programs
between
tenants
and
landlords.
J
There's
been
some
progress
made
on
this
at
the
state
level.
But
again,
a
lot
of
this
is
about
outreach.
Tenants
may
not
know
that
such
programs
exist
also.
Those
state
programs
are
only
available
if
a
court
filing
has
already
been
initiated.
We
would
love
to
find
ways
to
develop
mediation.
Programs
before
legal
filing
has
has
been
needed
more
as
a
you
know,
intervention
well
before
anyone
ever
has
to
go
to
court.
J
In
talking
about
the
data
gaps
and
our
inability
to
answer
a
lot
of
these
basic
questions,
we
believe
that
a
landlord
registry
or
licensure
program
is
a
good
way
to
start
this.
I
analogize
to
the
way
that
we
are
able
to
answer
that
question
for
short-term
rentals
in
the
city.
There
is
someone
I
can
call
in
the
city
to
find
out
how
many
short-term
rentals
are
registered,
who
the
landlords
are
and
what
the
situation
is.
J
We
are
not
able
to
do
that
with
regular
residential
rentals,
so
I
think
using
the
airbnb
short-term
rental
model
ordinances
that
we
have
and
looking
to
expand
that
into
residential
rentals,
I
think,
would
be
a
really
great
place
to
start
related
to.
That
is
also
the
expansion
of
legal
counsel.
One
of
the
other
things
that
we've
seen
is
that
organizations
like
new
mexico
legal
aid
because
they
receive
federal
funds.
J
Those
funds
are
earmarked
and
restricted
and
they
are
unable
to
work
with
undocumented
communities
as
a
sanctuary
city.
This
should
concern
us,
because
what
this
means
is
that
our
undocumented
neighbors
are
unable
to
access
that
same
legal
protection,
which
other
residents
in
our
city
are.
So
that
is
a
major
concern.
J
When
we
look
at
passing
permanent
tenant
protections,
we
believe
that
there
are
things
that
the
state
can
do
to
change
landlord
tenant
law,
but
there
are
also
things
that
the
city
can
do.
While
we
wait
for
the
legislature,
you
know
to
make
some
decisions
on
what
that
might
look
like.
Certainly,
we
would
look
at
how
do
we
establish
a
community
land
trust
on
the
midtown
property
community?
Land
trusts,
of
course,
are
one
of
the
tools
that
really
protect
against
the
fluctuations
that
we're
seeing
happen
right
now
in
santa
fe.
J
The
reason
that
housing
is
unaffordable
is
because
of
the
land
value
of
that
property.
So
if
we
can
have
some
organization
or
entity
or
a
government
entity
actually
maintain
ownership
of
the
land
and
what
we're
doing
is
managing
to
stabilize
that,
so
that
we
can
build
affordable
units,
both
rental
and
ownership,
on
such
a
property
and
really
give
families
an
opportunity
to
establish
credit
stabilize
their
living
situation.
J
Save
up
money
to
be
able
to
you
know,
live
that
dream
that
we're
all
saying
of
a
homeowner,
but
we
also
know
that
there
is
not
enough
homeowner
supply,
so
that's
gonna
be
some
time
before
that
becomes
a
reality.
J
We
still
have
to
house
people
in
the
meantime,
so
some
of
the
other
solutions
could
include
being
creative,
with
the
way
that
we
establish
overlaid
districts
in
the
midtown
area,
again
we're
looking
at
how
do
we
protect
these
vulnerable,
zip
codes
that
have
already
seen
and
historically
been
rent
burdened
and
seen
some
of
these
covet
infections
and
covet
deaths?
J
They
can
also
find
that
information
at
our
website,
where
we
have
also
created
an
eviction
protection,
frequently
asked
questions
flyer
for
our
for
city
residents
and
again
we
urge
you
to
give
us
a
call.
If
there
are
any
questions,
certainly
we
make
that
same
availability
open
to
city
council.
B
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you,
thomas
and
kathy
for
the
information
and
the
wealth
of
information
in
this
latest
report.
I
do
have
one
quick
question
on
the
slides.
There
was,
I
think,
figure,
seven
and
eight.
It
broke
down
the
city
into
geographic
areas
and
it
looked
from
the
mat
app
like
the
midtown
campus
area
had
the
highest
rates,
and
I
guess
my
question
is
what
would
call
for
that?
D
Given
it's
not
necessarily
a
residential
area,
there's
not
I
mean
we
do
have
our
temporary
homeless
shelter
set
up
there.
So
would
that
be
the
what's
driving
up
the
rates?
I'm
just
wondering
why
that
rate
is
higher
than
the
rest
of
the
city.
J
I
quite
honestly
do
not
have
an
answer
for
that:
counselor,
garcia
anything
would
be
quite
speculative,
it's
the
you
know
again.
One
of
the
things
I
want
to
just
mention
is
this:
is
this
data
on
evictions
was
really
only
made
available
to
organizations
statewide
last
december,
so
we've
really
only
had
I'll,
say
less
than
a
year
to
really
spend
any
time.
Parsing
this
data
and
analyzing
it
anything,
I
would
say
at
this
moment
would
be
completely
invented.
J
I
have
no
idea
what
we
do
know,
though
right
is
that
it's
definitely
those
neighborhoods
that
are
being
impacted.
Why
or
how
exactly
not
sure,
but
the
zip
codes
and
the
filing
addresses
on
the
court
filings
are
telling
us
that
that
is
absolutely
the
location.
That's
a
hot
spot.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
clarification
and
again
I
think
it'd
be
incumbent
of
us
to
look
deeper
and
if
it
is
folks
using
the
address
of
the
temporary
shelter
there,
because
it
it
like.
I
said
it
looks
like
if
it's
the
midtown
campus
and
the
city
and
state
complex,
that
particular
area
which
is
critical.
B
H
I
might
I
might
counselor
thank
you,
cheryl
middleworth,
I
might
have
interpreted
your
questions
just
a
little
differently
than
kathy
did
so.
Let
me
just
offer
what
I
have
here
is
the
report.
I
think
the
reasons
why
people
are
getting
evicted
is
hard
for
us
to
understand
in
terms
of
the
literal,
why
are
they
getting
convicted
piece
of
it,
but
in
terms
of
the
geography
we
have
tried
to
break
it
down
by
census
tract,
and
so
those
tracks
include
also
the
areas
that
are
surrounding
midtown
campus.
H
So
our
report
refers
to
hopeful
man
in
the
area
surrounding
the
town
campus.
A
lot
of
those
evictions
filings
are
coming
from
the
apartments
that
are
in
the
parks,
the
coronado
apartments
and
in
the
surrounding
areas,
even
some
of
the
houses
and
some
of
the
apartments
like
well,
some
of
the
apart.
H
A
lot
of
the
apartment
complexes
in
the
surrounding
area
are
what
we
believe
are
driving
that
up,
probably
not
actually
the
campus
itself,
but
it
is
possible,
as
you
said,
that
people
might
be
using
addresses
like
that,
but
we
think
the
large
majority
is
coming
from
those
apartment
complexes.
J
Counselor
garcia,
I
would
like
to
draw
your
attention
to
report
number
two
and
I
I'm
seeing
that.
I
don't
think
I
have
a
way
of
dropping
a
link
in
here.
I'm
not
seeing
a
chat,
but
I'm
happy
to
forward
this
with
the
information
in
report
number
two.
We
also
break
down
on
page
24,
the
census
tracts
and
a
few
other
social
indicators
of
health
and,
like
just
financial
realities,
economic
realities
of
those
particular
census
tracts.
J
I
I'm
just
saying,
like
all
of
that
is
kind
of
all
related
to
that
as
well
right.
These
are
areas
that
have
also
been
historically
rent
burdened,
so
now
impact
the
moment
that
those
households
met
this
crisis.
The
evictions
just
continued
in
the
same
way.
Thank
you.
D
B
Great
and
kathy
just
so
you
know
we
don't
use
the
chat
function
because
of
the
open
meetings,
act
and
those
kinds
of
requirements.
So
it's
a
little
weird
when
I
go
into
meetings
and
they
use
the
chat
and
you've
got
all
this
stuff
going
on.
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it
because
we
don't
do
it.
B
So
that's
why
councilwoman
villarreal
your
hand
is
up.
A
A
I
think
the
only
thing
that
I
I'm
trying
to
like
grapple
with
is
the
infrastructure
needed
to
do
a
lot
of
these
things
that
we
don't
currently
have
even
to
do
some
of
the
kind
of
basic
code
enforcement
stuff
that
is
challenging
based
because
of
staff
shortages,
and
so
I'm
always
trying
to
think
how
do
we
redesign
or
rethink
how
we
do
business
so
that
there's
like
proactive
ways
to
utilize
our
staff
instead
of
like
the
the
theory
about
the
stick
versus
the
carrot?
A
So
that's
what
I'm
interested
in
the
kind
of
proactive
ways
of
of
dealing
with
supporting
community
before
they
actually
get
to
the
point
where
they
are
being
evicted
or
they
have
situations
where
they're
being
they
have
potential
for
being
evicted.
So
that's
kind
of
like
where
I'm
like
visualizing
this
report,
and
I
don't
have
any
specific
questions.
I
think
that
there's
some
stuff
I
want
to
keep.
A
I
want
to
reread,
because
it's
very
dense-
and
I
was-
I
just
think
it's
a
it's
great-
to
have
this
kind
of
data
to
back
up
what
we
need.
What's
the
local
context
and
how
we
can
improve
upon
that
and
the
fact
that
you
gave
us
policy
recommendations.
I
think,
is
very
helpful.
A
Instead
of
us
trying
to
invent
policy
recommendations,
I
think
in
as
we
move
forward
we'll
need
support
in
some
form
to
be
able
to
have
assistance
in
some
way,
whether
it's
our
staff
or
contracted
folks,
to
be
able
to
help
us
do
some
of
the
research
that's
needed
so
that
we
could
look
at
best
practices
and
it's
great
that
you
were
able
to
connect
some
sections
to
actual
municipalities
that
are
already
doing
some
of
the
policy
recommendations.
A
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
didn't
get
to
go
to
all
the
links
that
were
provided
in
the
document.
So
just
wanted
to.
Thank
you
all
for
your
work
and
I
think
it'll
take
a
concerted
effort
by
all
sectors,
not
just
government
sector,
but
obviously
the
nonprofit
sector
and
the
private
sector,
to
realize
that
we're
all
in
this
together
to
be
able
to
support
community
members
and
orders
in
order
for
that,
in
order
that
everybody
can
thrive
and
that
they
are
housing,
they
have
a
home
and
they're
secure
in
their
housing.
J
Thank
you
councilwoman
via
real
and
again.
I
I
just
repeat
that
if
any
of
the
counselors
or
any
of
the
city
staff
do
you
have
questions
or
they
want
to
talk
with
us
in
more
detail
about
any
of
the
things
that
we've
brought
up
here.
Of
course,
we're
always
happy
to
you
know
to
have
some
time
to
chat.
H
Yeah,
thank
you
and
also
to
just
add
to
that
is
I
think
how
we
try
to
present
the
report.
Hopefully,
how
it's
best
read
is
to
look
at
the
longer
term
solutions.
So
there's
like
the:
how
do
we
get
out
of
the
pandemic
and
the
longer
term
ones?
We
believe
will
help
stabilize
that
scenario.
So
if
and
when
something
like
this
happens,
we'll
be
much
more
able
to
be
proactive
in
the
future.
B
All
right,
thank
you
both
for
being
here
tonight.
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
these
three
reports.
If
you
could
get
us
your
your
powerpoint
tonight
when
it's
convenient
that'd
be
very
helpful,
just
get
it
to
jamie
ray,
she
can
get
it
to
the
committee
and
thank
you
thank
you
for
your
work.
B
We're
gonna
move
on.
We
have
next
one
more
presentation
and
we
have
the
director
of
our
arts
and
culture
department
here
to
talk
about
culture,
and
we
have
the
assistant
director
here
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
I
I'll
I'll
hand
it
over
to
you
pauline
and,
and
you
guys
can
take
it
away
great.
Let
me
just
share
my
screen
and
counselor
garcia.
Will
you
take
your
hand
down
just
so?
I
know
whether
we
have
we
start
again.
That'd
be
great.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much
chair
romero
worth
and
fellow
counselors.
It's
my
pleasure
to
be
here
with
the
arts
and
culture
department,
crew
or
the
ac
dc
team.
That's
consistent
rod,
lambert,
our
assistant
director
and
also
armenia
tapia,
who
is
our
project
specialist.
A
We
are
very
pleased
to
give
you
an
overview
of
what
our
department
does.
One
of
the
main
things
that
we're
interested
in
and
use
as
our
value
is,
culture
connects
and
the
values
and
attendance
of
that
which
really
focuses
on
idea,
inclusion,
diversity,
equity
and
access
and
all
the
programmatic
things
that
we
do.
A
But
my
connection's,
pretty
squatty
okay,
so
go
ahead
and
take
over
the
slides.
Then
okay,
so
armenia's
been
managing
our
cultural
investment
funding
program
and,
as
you
recall,
back
in
last
fiscal
year,
our
budget
was
cut
by
53
percent,
so
we
went
down
from
almost
over
900
000
to
350..
A
We
went
down
from
six
grant
categories
to
two.
We
did
a
lot
of
listening
to
our
grantees
and
our
arts
and
culture
partners
and
again
it's
lodgers
tax
funded,
and
so
it's
to
promote
arts,
marketing
and
promotion
through
listening
to
them.
For
this
fiscal
year,
we've
created
three
categories:
digital
collaborative
impact,
which
remains,
and
also
the
traditional
marketing
impact,
which
has
a
category
a
for
those
arts
budgets
over
500
000
and
category
b
for
those
under
500
000,
and
that
would
help
them
be
a
little
bit
more
competitive
to
each
other.
A
Dci
really
is
about
encouraging
collaboration
and
we've
seen
so
much
collaboration
during
this
pandemic
organizations,
helping
each
other
out,
partnerships,
building,
someone's
saying,
hey.
I
have
an
open
space
garden,
another
organization
partnering
with
them
to
do
that,
and
it's
become
very
collegial
versus
fighting
for
scarce
resources.
We're
really
looking
and
seeing
our
partners
leverage
their
resources
together.
That's
how
we're
going
to
thrive
and
sustain
ourselves
and
move
forward
during
this
recovery
phase.
A
We
did
have
some
celebrations
this
past
year
with
the
29th
annual
mayor's
arts
awards,
and
that
was
done
virtually
and
which
was
a
new
thing
for
us,
as
I'm
sure,
a
lot
of
virtual
presentations
out
for
everyone
across
the
city,
and
it
was
well
attended
with
over
109
and
we
recognized
artists
in
five
categories.
The
arts,
arts,
innovator
culture
connects
philanthropy
and
the
melissa
angstrom
youth
artist
award.
A
It
was
emceed
by
carlos
medina
and
also
mayor
webber,
and
we're
very
pleased
to
say
that,
with
the
summer
concert
series
on
the
plaza
that
two
of
our
grand
two
of
our
america's
arts
awards
were
performing,
that
was
lightning
boy
and
as
well
as
the
youth
artist
awardee,
which
was
oh,
my
gosh,
oh
theo.
A
Let's
go!
Thank
you
rod
and
next
year
we
will
have
our
third
next
year
in
spring
of
2022,
will
be
the
30th
annual
mayor's
arts
awards
and
we'll
be
working
with
our
arts
commissioners
to
start
planning
that
and
really
how
to
celebrate.
A
All
the
awardees
over
the
past
30
years
for
that,
in
addition
to
what
we
do,
we
also
support
arts
education.
A
Through
the
carers
act,
we
were
able
to
support
artwork
through
the
partners
in
education
with
their
professional
development,
especially
around
arts
and
trauma-informed
instruction,
which
also
included
training
their
teaching
artists
to
provide
instruction
over
a
virtual
platform
and
how
to
do
that,
how
the
most
effective
way
to
do
that.
We
also
looked
at
supporting
teacher
training
teacher
training.
The
georgia
o'keeffe
museum
has
something
called
field
field
trip
in
a
box
which
you
could
check
out
and
have
that
experience
virtually
or
at
home.
A
A
It
was
amazing
to
watch
and
that's
been
recorded,
the
one
thing
that
you'll
notice,
when
I
say
steam,
I
really
like
to
put
that
capital
a
into
science
technology
engineering
math,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
and
we
believe
that
arts
is
not
just
something
beautiful
to
look
at,
but
something
that
really
helps
creativity,
thinking,
problem
solving
and
just
part
of
that
creative
economy
that
is
so
dispersed
throughout
throughout
the
place,
and
so
there's
also
another
listing
of
other
things
that
we've
supported.
A
We
also
just
recently
announced
the
mere
selections
of
the
city
historian,
which
is
valerie
rangel,
and
this
was
a
program
that
was
established
in
2017
she's.
Our
third
city
historian.
She
will
serve
for
two
years,
and
the
goal
of
this
is
to
conserve,
promote
and
document
the
santa
fe's,
diverse
cultural
heritage
and
put
into
context.
Our
focus
for
this
two-year
term
is
an
emphasis
on
community-centered
storytelling
and
definitely
sharing
the
many
histories.
A
A
We
were
also
very
pleased
that
the
mayor
appointed
daryl
wellington,
as
our
city's
poet
laureate,
which
was
a
program
established
long
ago
in
2005
and
daryl,
will
be
doing
not
only
just
a
series
of
readings
but
also
involving
other
poets
and
doing
like
a
poet,
poetry
contest,
slash
youth
workshop,
which
we're
very
excited
to
have
him
on
board.
For
that
another
thing
that
we're
bringing-
I
don't
want
to
say
fact
we're
reviving.
A
That's
the
right
word
I
want
to
use
is
unesco's
creative
city,
and
we
were
the
first
united
st
city
in
the
united
states
to
have
this
designation
for
craft
and
folk
art
and
we've
revamped
the
website,
and
we
will
start
to
look
at
and
build
in
the
next
three
to
five
years,
an
artist
in
residency
program
where
artists
will
come
here
and
our
artists
will
go
into
other
creative
cities
nationally
to
begin
with,
and
then
globally.
A
Conference
virtual
conference
that
we
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
do
a
pre-recorded
session
and
again
to
contribute
and
highlight
the
wonderful
work-
that's
happening
here
in
santa
fe,
but
also
in
northern
new
mexico.
So
we're
really
looking
at
activating
and
promoting
that
as
our
cultural
tourism,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
now
to
our
assistant
director
ron
lambert
to
talk
about
the
community
gallery.
I
Good
evening,
chair
romero
worth
and
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
rod,
lambert
and
I
actually
the
community
gallery
was
my
baby.
I
was
hired
to
be
the
community
gallery
gallery
director
in
2008,
so
all
of
the
programming
and
operations
and
procedures
for
that
program,
all
kind
of
started
with
me
at
that
time,
so
the
community
gallery
was
built
with
the
intention
of
promoting
exhibiting
and
selling
the
work
of
local
artists.
There
was
an
economic
development
report
previous
to
2008.
I
That
indicated
that
I
think
up
to,
like
80
percent
of
the
art
that
was
sold
in
santa
fe
was
not
made
in
santa
fe,
and
so
as
a
result
of
that,
the
council,
at
the
time,
during
the
construction
of
the
convention
center
building,
carved
out
this
space
specifically
intended
to
promote,
exhibit
and
sell
the
work
of
local
artists.
The
kind
of
our
reach
is
the
entire
state
of
new
mexico.
So
we
do
artists
throughout
the
state
depending
upon
who
applies
and
gets
into
these
shows.
I
However,
as
a
result
of
geographic
proximity,
I
would
say
eighty
percent,
if
not,
ninety
percent
of
the
artists
that
are
in
our
shows,
are
within
santa
fe
county.
We
usually
do
five
themed
exhibits
a
year.
There's
30
artists
per
show
one
piece
per
artist:
it's
an
open
call.
I
They
go
to
a
website
and
submit
five
images
in
response
to
a
theme
that
has
been
designated
by
our
staff
and
then
the
committee
selects
the
artist
and
votes
based
on
the
body
of
work
and
then
the
top,
usually
it
organically
breaks
at
around
30
artists
in
every
show,
and
each
artist
submits
one
piece
of
work.
Our
themes
are,
they
often
come
internally,
but
we
also
offer
the
opportunity
for
organizations
or
private
citizens
to
give
us
ideas
for
themed
exhibits,
and
we
have
five
criteria
that
we
have
for
those.
I
So
if
someone
wants
to
propose
a
project,
we
want
three
of
those
criteria
to
be
met.
The
most
important
one,
that's
kind
of
a
gimme
for
everyone-
is
that
it's
an
exp
professional
experience
for
local
artists
oftentimes.
The
artists
who
are
participating
in
the
gallery
have
never
had
a
gallery
show
before
they
may
be
a
hobbyist
working
at
their
kitchen
table.
So
that's
one
of
the
basic
criteria
and
pretty
much
any
theme.
I
That's
that
we
like
to
have
collaborative
exhibits
where
maybe
a
non-traditional
partner
with
maybe
say
chain
breakers
partners
with
somebody
else
to
do
an
exhibit
that
maybe
an
arts
organization
and
a
social
conscious
organization
come
together
and
propose
a
theme
that
serves
to
enhance
both
of
their
mailing
lists
and
their
connections
and
also
bring
a
new
crowd
in.
But
we
also
like
to
have
the
exhibits
coordinate
with
local
historical
cultural
events.
I
So
there
could
be
an
opportunity
to
take
advantage
of
like
fiestas
or
some
other
local
event
that
happens
regularly
or
an
exhibit
that
references,
local
history
that
serves
as
some
kind
of
way
to
connect
us
to
the
continuum
of
history
that
exist
in
santa
fe
and
so
and
an
educational
opportunity
for
the
public.
So
we
like
for
three
of
those
criteria
to
be
met
as
a
minimum
and
then
oftentimes
our
art
and
public
places
committee
will
or
our
arts
commission
will
vote
on
whether
you
know
that
theme
passes.
I
Our
exhibits
are
usually
a
full
range
of
media.
Everything
from
painting
and
drawing
to
3d
to
video
to
fiber
arts.
We've
had
everything
in
there
and
we
welcome
it.
It
makes
it
a
more
rich
textural
experience
for
the
public
and
I
think
it
really
makes
all
of
the
artwork
look
better
and
a
lot
of
the
artists.
There
could
be
artists
who
are
represented
by
a
local
gallery
in
there,
as
well
as
absolute
beginners,
like
I
said
earlier,
who
may
be
working
at
their
kitchen
table,
so
it
ends
up
making
the
people
who
may
be
beginners.
I
I
We've
had
basket
weaving
workshops,
we've
had
10
works,
draw
applique,
we've
had
panel
discussions,
we've
even
had
a
play
performed
in
there,
so
we
kind
of
do
a
variety
of
public
engagement
workshops
to
enhance
the
exhibit
theme
beyond
just
this,
like
siloed
experience
of
walking
through
a
gallery,
we
want
the
community
to
come
in
and
learn
something
and
see
the
show
and
put
two
points
together.
I
We
also
have
one
youth
arts
exhibit
every
year,
that's
usually
dedicated
to
an
arts,
non-profit
that
represents
children,
we've
partnered
with
partners
in
education
before
the
new
mexico
school
for
the
arts.
So
we
like
to
bring
in
and
have
a
youth
opportunity
for
the
youth
to
come
in
and
have
a
formal
gallery
experience
and
make
them
realize
that,
like
art,
is
a
career
option.
So
next
slide,
please
our
next
program
after
the
gallery
is
our
art
and
public
places
program.
I
I
I
So
if,
if
there's
an
artist
or
someone
who
wants
to
donate
a
piece
of
artwork
to
the
city
portfolio,
the
white
lattice
work
piece,
that's
in
front
of
the
downtown
library
was
one
of
those
pieces.
It
was
on
loan
for
the
longest
time
and
then
the
artist
eventually
was
like
it's
perfect.
There
y'all
just
take
it.
So
we
had
to
work
on
a
contract
to
take
the
donation
and
we're
so
happy
for
that
kind
of
opportunity.
I
It
obviously
has
to
be
approved
through
the
proper
cycles,
but
we
like
to
have
the
arts
commission
and
then
all
the
way
up
through
to
approve
that
kind
of
program,
and
then
we
do
art
on
loan.
So
there's
probably
at
least
nine
pieces
of
art
in
the
city
portfolio
currently
those
two
pieces
by
bob
house's
across
from
the
solano
center.
You
may
not
know
that
but
they're
on
loan
and
have
been
pretty
much
indefinitely
and
then
also
the
the
bull.
I
That's
right
behind
city
hall,
that's
also
a
piece
of
art,
that's
on
loan
and
that's
an
opportunity
for
local
galleries
and
local
artists
to
have
their
artwork
on
display
and
promote
their
artists,
but
also
beautify
on
public
property,
and
it's
we
usually
do
currently
we're
doing
a
four-year
contract
with
these
artists
or
galleries.
To
have
that
program
be
activated.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Next
slide,
yeah.
So
again,
two
percent
of
capital
improvement
projects
and
the
grt
bond
from
20
to
2018
has
a
had
a
balance
of
like
400
000
dollars
that
we're
using
for
a
number
of
projects,
including
putting
art
at
the
convention
center.
There's
a
mural
going
on
at
the
salvador,
paris
pool
the
genevieve
chavez
community
center.
I
There
is
in
the
skate
bowl
there
we're
working
on
a
project
with
alistair,
agua
and
youth
works
to
engage
the
users
of
that
space
to
decorate
that
skate
bowl
and
the
municipal
recreation
sports
complex
and
we're
doing
some
sculptures
out
there.
So
here's
a
listing
of
the
mrc
groups
that
we're
doing
these
some
of
these
artists
that
there's
well
that's
going
to
be
the
community
convention
center
and
then
we're
going
to
do
hernan
at
the
south
side
library
working
on
that
project.
Now
there's
going
to
be
a
series.
I
The
ones
on
the
right
here
are
all
going
to
be
at
the
mrc
and
then
the
two
at
the
bottom
are
going
were
purchases
through
the
state.
So
again,
sometimes
the
cip
bonds
go
through
the
state
and
we
have
to
follow
their
procedure,
but
they
walk
us
through
it
and
we
essentially
bring
a
shopping
list
to
the
team
of
people
at
the
airport.
For
example,
and
say
here
you
go
here's
a
selection,
here's
how
much
money
you
have
and
they
go
shopping
and
we
pick
these
two
pieces
represented
in
the
bottom
there.
The
next
slide.
A
So
we
also
with
our
art
and
public
places,
our
public
art
portfolio,
that
there's
conservation
and
routine
maintenance.
So
we
work
with
the
client
department
and
client
department
is
defined
as
who
property,
the
or
purview
the
artwork
stands
on.
So
right
now
and
as
you
know,
with
the
reigns
we
had
another
of
the
archangels
come
down,
that's
raphael,
our
artist,
jose
lucero
is
I'm
still
working
on
satchiel
and
we'll
be
starting
on
rafael.
A
This
was
done
through
a
public
private
partnership,
fundraising
effort
called
the
angel
fund
and
we
will
relaunch
that
again
in
order
to
cover
costs
for
raphael,
and
the
artist
is
actually
doing
this.
For
you
know
pennies
on
the
amount
of
work
that
he's
hand
carving
doing
hand-painted
traditional
tints.
It's
really
quite
amazing.
He
was
featured
in
several
news
articles.
Another
one
is
el
deferente
and
that's
at
the
park
tom
mastione
park,
the
stone
flat
work
there
is
damaged,
and
so
we've
submitted
estimates
to
public
works.
A
We'll
put
that
in
a
bond.
That's
coming
up
for
consideration,
so
we
hope
to
find
funding
and
to
work
with
parks
on
that
el
torian
del
torion.
That
was
with
artist
pedro
romero.
There
was
some
cleanup
that
had
to
do
including
the
relocation
of
a
porta
potty,
which
we
worked
with
parks
and
that
was
removed
and
we're
also
looking
at
relocation
of
some
of
the
park
accessories
because
they
somewhat
block
the
art
installation
on
that.
So
we'll
continue
to
work
with
parks
on
as
a
partner.
A
It's
right
when
you
walk
in
it's
a
beautiful,
beautiful,
tile,
hand-painted,
tile
mural,
and
it
has
many
different
stories,
so
we're
getting
estimates
to
conserve
that
repair
that
but
there's
a
lot
of
flaking,
but
otherwise
it's
in
really
good
condition,
but
we
hope
to
have
that
conserved
back
to
its
glory
and
when
the
library
opens
again
to
either
have
a
scavenger
hunt
and
create
different
programming
with
the
library
in
conjunction
to
keep
good
stewardship
and
to
keep
the
artworks
alive,
especially
for
the
youth
that
go
there.
A
One
thing
that
we're
really
excited
about,
as
you
may
recall,
is
the
fitness
court
and
it's
a
signature
series,
keith
herron
court,
that
we
were
awarded
as
a
city
and
that
will
be
going
in
shortly
and
we
have
to
work
around
the
rain
and
some
some
other
issues.
But
we
hope
by
october
will
be
a
great
time
to
have
a
launch
and
be
able
to
do
something
for
our
health
and
wellness
as
we
go
and
concerned
about
cove
and
safe
practices.
But
this
is
a
really
great
outdoor
court.
A
It's
separated
enough
that
you
can
still
use
it
and
we
will
be
letting
you
know
for
you
to
come
out
and
give
it
a
try
with
us.
So
tie
up
those
gym,
socks
and
shoes.
A
A
If
you
will
include
brian
hardgrove,
formerly
a
public
enemy,
he's
a
music
producer
and
who
lives
now
here
in
santa
fe
lucy
tapahanzo,
who
was
the
first
navajo
poet
laureate,
an
amazing
poet,
an
artist
in
her
own
right,
and
also
we
have
the
grand
dom
of
a
spanish
market
and
she's,
just
amazing
monica
socia
help
in
and
their
stories
and
what
they
have
to
share
is
just
really
amazing,
and
we
hope
to
continue
this
campaign
to
highlight
the
locals
here
that
make
this
place
so
wonderful
and
why
people
come
to
visit
and
why
our
neighbors
love
being
here
and
seeing
people.
A
So
we're
very
pleased
to
have
that.
So
please
stay
tuned
for
that.
Why
did
you
want
to
do
the
next
one
on
cares.
I
Yeah
as
a
function
of
our
cares
act
money
that
we
received
and
we
wanted
to
do
as
much
as
we
could
to
kind
of
get
that
money
into
the
community,
but
at
the
same
time,
kind
of
help
prepare
the
community
for
like
the
new
future.
Like
that,
you
know
it's
never
going
to
go
back
again.
So
a
big
part
of
that
was
digital
literacy
and
making
sure
that
people
were
prepared
for
this
new
economy
and
they
need
for
everyone
to
be
literate,
but
also
competent
and
confident
in
their
abilities
to
be
able
to
do
that.
I
So
we
hired
three
instructors.
Who
were
you
know
they
had
specialties
in
these
fields.
So
digital
marketing
was
a
series
of
a
workshop
that
we
gave
out.
They
were
all
free
to
the
public.
We
just
ended
up,
you
know
paying
the
people
to
do
it
and
they
kept
track
and
it
was
somewhere
three
or
four
weeks.
Some
were
even
I
think,
longer
than
that,
but
the
digital
marketing
was
all
about
how
to
manage
yourself
online,
no
matter
what
your
business
is,
but
it
was
specifically
focused
for
creatives.
I
Also,
there's
a
visual
recording
workshop
that
we
did.
Visual
recording
is
a
kind
of
an
up-and-coming
skill
set
that
people
have
it's
almost
like
a
recording,
a
meeting,
but
instead
of
doing
it
in
written
minutes.
This
is
a
way
to
do
it
visually.
I
So,
if
you
see
in
that
top
image,
this
trains
people
in
the
skill
set
to
be
able
to
do
illustrated
topical
and
of
the
minute
notes
that
resp
that
people
respond
to
who
may
be
visual
thinkers
as
opposed
to
readers,
and
it
serves
as
a
summary
for
the
meeting,
and
it
helps
give
people
a
better
overview
who
don't
necessarily
want
to
slog
through
the
minutes.
So
we've
trained
a
bunch
of
people
to
work
on
that
project.
I
We
and
we
just
did-
we
did
two
phases
of
it,
and
so
we
have
a
group
of
people
now
that
are
currently
like
trained
to
do
it
and
they
were
attending
public
meetings
and
they
had
to
deliverables
where
they
had
to
actually
record
these
meetings
and
then
turn
them
into
the
teacher.
So
we're
we're
training,
a
kind
of
a
creative
class
of
people
who
have
the
skill
set
already,
but
giving
them
the
way
to
do
to
teach
information.
I
I
That
then,
they
can
use
for
their
websites
for
their
social
media
for
any
printed
media
they'll
just
have
those
those
images
available
and
that
will
give
them
access
to
a
market
that
they
currently
can't
access.
The
other
culture
connects.
We
did
several
or
a
couple
of
we
just
living
la
vida
covid,
which
was
all
with
carlos
medina,
I'm
doing
kind
of
in
mountain
mover
media.
I
They
did
kind
of
this
comedy
series
of
wearing
your
masks
and
all
the
coveted
safe
practices,
and
then
we
did
lost
mascarenas,
which
was
again
an
another
version
of
that
the
same
group
that
we
did
and
then
we
did
many
grants
of
hope
to
artists
and
gave
them
all
of
the
coveted,
safe
practices
and
they
came
up
with
individual
projects
in
which
they
would
communicate
like.
A
Great,
and
so
all
this
brings
us
to
what's
happening
as
part
of
the
recovery,
so
on
a
national
scale,
you
know
we
are
getting
the
city's
15
million
for
the
american
rescue
plan.
As
I
understand
the
first
tarantula's
already
been
allocated.
A
Definitely
for
that
housing,
affordability
and
sustainability
issue
that
chain
breaker
was
still
talking
about,
and
I
know
that
the
city
is
very
interested
in
supporting
and
uplifting
our
our
community
members
and
our
neighbors,
but
we
hope
arts
and
culture
hopes
to
put
in
our
request
for
the
second
tranche,
which
is
a
new
word-
that
I've
adopted
now
to
again
further
enhance
the
efforts
that
we're
doing
for
workforce
development
within
our
creative
and
our
culture
bearers.
A
The
other
super
exciting
thing
is
the
hr
bill,
5019
that
was
introduced
by
representative
later
fernandez,
that
is
about
a
new
version
of
the
wpa,
and
that
is
going
working
its
way
through
legislation,
but
that
would
be
about
300
million
to
invest
in
jobs
for
artists
and
their
stats.
A
On
my
left
of
the
screen
that
talk
about
the
importance
and
the
impact
and
again
during
the
pandemic,
we
saw
the
impact
that
the
creative
economy
and
our
arts
and
culture
places
not
just
museums
but
artists,
individual
musicians,
performers
really
have
on
bringing
life
and
creativity
and
dollars
into
the
city,
and
so
we
hope
to
further
look
at
this
and
we'll
be
following
sarah
very
closely.
A
The
final
thing
that
we
are
involved
with
is
chart
and
the
consultant
team
of
artful
life
they
have
just
begun
and
if
you
might
know
today
was
a
deadline
for
community
project
facilitators,
they
had
over
112
applications,
and
that
was
as
of
last
night,
so
I'm
sure
as
most
artists
and
other
folks.
We
wait
till
last
minute
to
submit
things
we'll
get
final
numbers
later
and
they
will
start
to
train
those
folks
and
begin
the
community
convenings,
which
we
hope
will
be
in
october.
A
We
will
all,
of
course,
be
watching
the
delta
variant
and
covid
19
as
we
go
forward
and
just
like
the
rest
of
the
city,
we
will
follow
the
city's
mandate,
as
well
as
the
cdc's
mandate
and
the
governors,
and
we
will
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
reach
the
widest
spread
community
as
possible
and
get
community
centered
engagement.
A
So
that's
our
presentation,
that's
kind
of
what
we
do
in
a
nutshell,
and
we
are
happy
to
talk
about
more.
We
would
love
to
spend
more
time
and
we're
just
so
grateful
to
have
this
opportunity
to
give
you
a
quick
bird's-eye
view
of
the
things
that
we've
been
doing.
B
Terrific
thank
you
we'll
go
to
questions
from
the
committee.
Councilwoman
bureau.
A
I
always
feel
good
when
you
all
present
to
us
makes
me
happy
makes
me
feel
like
it's
just
excitement
and
energy,
despite
our
current
circumstances,
with
the
pandemic.
So
I
I
just
appreciate
that
fully
and
just
wanted
to
show
that,
because
it's
hard,
you
know
some
of
the
stuff
we
talk
about
in
quality
of
life
is
heavy
heavy,
difficult
hard,
as
as
we
just
presented,
I
mean
the
first
presentation,
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
let
you
know
that,
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
the
term
culture
connects.
A
I
mean
a
lot
of
people
use
it,
but
really
that
came
about
because
of
the
work
that
maybe
some
of
you
don't
know
about,
because
it
was
before
your
time
on
the
council
and
having
a
seven
rael.
Galvez,
really
lead
that
effort
in
the
last
administration
to
really
talk
to
people
in
the
community
about
what
they
want
to
see
as
it
relates
to
culture
and
art
and
how
it
can
how
it
can
connect
to
the
community.
A
So
I
appreciate
you're
still
using
that
term
and
a
lot
of
probably
the
values
and
ideals
and
and
ideas
that
came
out
of
that
presentation
and
that
project.
So
that's
great
to
see
the
one
thing
I
was
excited
to
hear
about
also
is
the
unesco
creative
cities
that
there's
actually
like
a
partnership
that
is
being
created
instead
of
us
just
having
a
title
and
having
people
go
on
trips
to
different
parts
of
the
world.
A
I
think
this
makes
more
sense
to
have
artists
in
residency.
Artists
come
here.
Our
local
artists
go
elsewhere.
It
just
really
makes
sense
to
me
and
I'm
happy
to
hear
that.
That's
developing,
I'm
just
curious.
Is
there
a
connection
to
that
to
sister
cities
program
and
are
you
all
still
having
to
facilitate
and
run
or
leave
that
and
where?
Where
is
that
house
now,
sister
cities
is
no
longer
under
us?
I
believe
that's
under
tourism
and
again
because
I
don't
think
they've
convened
just
during
the
pandemic.
A
The
emergency
proclamation
right,
okay,
just
curious
about
that,
because
it
used
to
be
under
your
department,
and
I
never
really
understood
that
connection.
So
I
think
that
makes
sense.
All
right
and
then
director
co-director
lembert,
you
were
talking
about
the
community
gallery,
I
so
missed
those
art
shows
and
exhibits,
especially
the
youth
arts,
the
youth
art
show
and
how
excited
they
were
to
show
their
art
and
talk
about
it.
So
I'm
I'm
excited
to
for
the
day
that
we
get
to
do
that
again
and
I'm
curious
are
you?
A
Would
you
be
having
some
kind
of,
depending
obviously
on
the
pandemic?
But
will
you
are
you
planning
to
have
in-person
gallery
shows
at
some
point.
I
Council
survey
area
members
of
the
committee-
yes,
we
actually
installed
a
show
that
was
supposed
to
open
last
year
in
march,
so
literally
director
kamiyama,
and
I
were
the
only
two
that
saw
that
exhibit
the
artist
had
to
pick
everything
and
up
in
august.
So
what
I've
done
is
I've
pushed
the
whole
calendar
back,
and
so
the
next
show
that
you're
going
to
be
seeing
is
called
neon
and
chrome
and
it's
a
kind
of
a
visual
vocabulary
of
route
66.
I
So
it's
all
about
like
how
route
66
served
as
a
tourism
route
and
brought
people
into
new
mexico
and
was
an
economic
development
driver
and
this
a
modern
version
of
kind
of
you
know
fred,
harvey
and
all
of
the
harvey
hotel.
So
we
did
a
fred
harvey
show
years
ago.
This
is
a
modern
version
of
that
focused
on
tourism,
so
that
will
be.
Hopefully
we
had
planned
to
open.
I
You
know
end
of
september,
so
maybe
we
might
not
have
a
formal
opening,
but
we're
hoping
to
have
the
gallery
open
for
limited
hours
and
then
have
two
staff
members
there
to
reinforce
the
mask
kind
of
mandate
and
safety
for
all
and
we're
gonna
have
signage
where
there's
one
entrance
and
one
exit
so
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
control
all
of
that.
But
yes,
it's
coming
and
there's
three
exhibits
planned
after
that
and
I'll
probably
put
the
other
exhibit
that
recently
was
missed
by
everyone.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
Also
just
excited
for
the
culture
connects
the
famous
campaign,
and
maybe
you
can
share.
A
I
don't
know
if
we
have
time,
but
if
there's
a
way
to,
let
us
know
how
you
make
the
criteria
for
selection,
because
I
think
that
will
be
hard
because
there's
a
lot
of
folks
that
could
fall
into
that
that
cat
you
know,
category
is
famous,
so
I'm
just
curious.
Is
there,
do
you
all
have
a
criteria
or
how?
How
are
folks
selected
for
that?
A
That's
a
really
great
question.
So
for
this
first
round
we
as
staff
bounced
ideas
around
and
as
we
continue
going
on,
we'll
we'll
turn
to
our
arts,
commissioners
and
wellesley
counselors
for
our
nominations.
A
A
You
know
they
are
the
the
heart
beat
they're
the
pulse,
absolutely
yeah
great,
to
hear-
and
I
will
flag
him
when
we
get
to
that
point
with
the
american
rescue
plan
to
make
sure
that
we're
looking
at
those
relief
relief
funds
for
folks
that
work
in
the
arts
and
culture
they've
been
left
behind
in
many
instances
because
they
didn't
qualify
for
certain
resources.
A
So
I
think
that
we
just
have
to
be
to
flag
that,
as
we
start
talking
about
that
and
planning
ahead
and
also
maybe
there's
a
way
we
talked
about
this
in
finance
about
ways
to
get
more
information
from
the
community
about
what
they
see
is
important
to
fund
for
through
these
through
the
arp.
Sorry
arpa
funds.
So
maybe
there's
some
way
to
connect
with
you
all
in
your
partnerships
with
the
community
organizations
and
artists
and
the
community
and
then
last
well,
there's
a
lot
of
great
things.
A
I
I'm
excited
to
hear
about
that
visual
recording,
because
we
do
that
in
my
other
organization-
and
I
heard
a
lot
of
people
tell
me
that
that
was
very
helpful,
successful
training
that
they
really
enjoyed
that.
So,
thank
you
and
then
just
last
I
just
went
wow
112
people
that
applied
for
the
facilitation
right
community
facilitators.
A
So
that's
pretty
remarkable,
very
happy
to
hear
that,
and
I
think
it'll
be
hard
to
sift
through
that.
But
good
luck
with
the
team
to
do
that
and
that's
all
I
have
thank
you
both
for
your
presentation
and
your
work
and
and
also
armenia
over
there
that
I
can't
see.
Oh
there.
She
is
not
really
there,
but
thank
you
armenia
as
well.
B
Chair,
okay,
other
questions
from
the
committee.
I
have
a
couple
on
the
community
gallery.
Are
artists
able
to
sell
works
from
that
exhibit
or
do
they
are?
Is
it
one
of
those
things
where
you
just
have
to
contact
the
artist
and
then
they.
I
As
a
function
of
the
gallery,
the
promote
exhibit
and
sell.
So
when
my
first
started
there
was
we
had
to
work
out
a
system
with
legal
in
which
we
could
do
a
kind
of
a
commissioned,
artwork
situation
or
where
they
were
on
consignment
and
then
the
artist
we
kind
of
I
worked
with
a
local
gallery
actually,
because
I
knew
I
was
going
to
be
receiving
artists
from
private
galleries
as
well,
that
were
local,
and
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
galleries
would
be
getting
credit
for
their
work,
also
in
helping
local
artists.
I
So
I
worked
out
a
situation
where
we
have
a
70
30
split.
If
it's
a
private
gallery
and
we're
using
the
artist
that
they
represent,
and
then
I
have
a
contract
with
the
gallery
and
all
of
the
work
goes
through
there
and
then
they
have
to
leg
wrestle
about
who
gets
what
on
their
end,
but
then
for
artists.
We
wanted
to
do
a
better
split
for
than
a
private
gallery.
Often
private
galleries
are
50
50
or
60
40
in
the
other
way.
So
we
do
a
60
40
split
currently
where
the
artist
gets
60.
I
B
Okay-
okay,
great,
I
think
that's
pretty
important
that
this
parlays
into
an
economic
benefit
as
well,
as
you
know,
raising
the
profile
of
some
of
these
artists
so
that
we
can
watch
their
careers
and
watch
their
skills
develop.
So
that's
great
the
rock
papers.
This
is
kind
of
an
odd
question.
The
rock
paper
scissors
sculpture
that
you
had
picture
there's
another
one
of
those
at
martin
luther
king.
Is
it
the
same
one,
and
why
are
there
two
and
at
the
park.
I
B
Yeah
yeah
it's
in
martin
luther
king
park.
It's.
B
Exactly
exactly
okay
because
they
yeah-
I
don't
remember
it
having
so
much
color
as
your
slide
shows,
but
now
I
have
to
go
back
and
look
so
he
may.
I
B
Well,
we
do
have
a
girl
scout
who
was
working
to
bring
some
trees
and
pollinator
plants
to
that
park,
so
it
is
going
to
get
a
facelift,
I'm
not
sure
whether
she's,
what
her
plans
are
close
to
the
sculpture,
but
certainly
that
park
itself
is
going
to
get
some
attention
and
she's
currently
doing
an
incredible
job
there.
So
that's
another
story,
but
anyway,
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
I
too
want
to
say
I'm
really
glad
that
we
got
this
presentation
in.
B
I
feel
like
so
many
times
you
got
you
guys
are
out
there
doing
stuff
and
we
may
not
necessarily
know
about
it.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
nice
to
get
this
broad
brush
overview
of
things
and
and
certainly
as
as
your
work
progresses
and
hopefully,
as
we
open
up
more.
You
know
please
be
in
touch,
because
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
highlight
and
bring
to
the
surface
the
work.
B
B
You
for
being
here
tonight,
all
right.
We
are
going
back
to
our
consent
agenda.
We
approved
it
earlier
councilwoman
via
real
fold.
B
Let
me
just
pull
up
primegov
item
7c,
a
request
for
approval
of
an
agreement
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
axon
enterprise
inc
in
the
total
amount
of
five
million
four
hundred
eighty
one
thousand
nine
hundred
thirty
seven
dollars
and
fifteen
cents
for
five
years
for
providing
body,
worn
cameras
in
car
cameras,
interview,
room
cameras,
less
lethal
taser
devices,
empathy,
training
devices
and
all
associated
equipment
and
software
to
manage
the
provided
devices,
and
I
believe
we
have
staff
here
to
answer
questions
there.
B
We
have
deputy
chief
valdez,
thank
you
for
being
here
tonight.
A
Councilwoman
burial,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
just
a
follow-up.
I,
the
question
I
had
in
finance
was
trying
to
understand
what
was
approved
in
the
budget
and
pd's
budget
and
then
what
if
there
were
line
items
that
actually
covered
these
requests,
and
I
did
hear
back
from
finance
department
and
they
said
they
were
not,
and
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
with
you
all.
I
thought
there
were
some
light
line
items
that
did
cover
body,
cam
body
cameras.
L
Madam
chair
counselor,
vidya
video,
the
money
that
was
allocated
in
the
budget
for
body
cams,
was
to
maintain
our
current
legacy
system.
So
if
it
was
a
small
equipment
purchase
like
a
a
battery
that
needs
to
be
replaced
or
if
the
camera
had
need
to
be
replaced,
or
in
the
rare
event
that
the
entire
system
would
need
to
be
replaced
for
the
actual
device,
it
was
just
for
maintenance
of
the
current
system.
It
was
not
to
complete
this
this
larger
project
that
was
not
included
in
the
authorized
budget.
A
Okay,
thanks
and
deputy
chief
valdez
was
that
was
this
request
and
the
need
for
this
upgrade
a
result
from
state
legislation.
L
Madam
chair
councillor,
vietnam,
it's
twofold:
once
we
had
our
independent
audit
conducted
in
2019,
we
were
in
search
of
a
new
system,
kovit
hit,
so
everyone
kind
of
had
to
tighten
their
belts
financially
to
see
how
things
are
going
to
fare
from
there.
L
L
But
again
that
did
put
the
urgency
on
needing
to
upgrade
our
cameras,
which
were
already
in
need
of
replacement
and
based
on
the
recommendation
provided
in
that
independent
audit.
We
looked
at
this
vendor
and
that's
how
we're
coming
forward
today
to
request
your
review
and
approval
of
it.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
it's
twofold:
it's,
like
you,
said
the
2019
audit
recommendations
and
then
the
senate
bill
that
required
body
cams,
so,
okay
and
then,
let's
see
in
the
document,
I
just
wanted
to
understand.
If
you
could
tell
us
more
about
what
the
virtual
reality
empathy
training
entails.
L
A
madam
chair,
counselor
video,
the
empathy
training,
it's
virtual
reality,
training
much
like
a
simulator
and
what
axon
did
was
they
partnered
with
mental
health
professionals
and
they
really
try
to
get
the
perspective,
those
that
are
in
crisis,
depending
on
what
is
going
on
with
that
it
allows
our
officers
to
be
able
to
put
on
the
equipment
we
put
in
scenarios
where
they
can
hone
their
crisis
intervention
skills
which
we
send
them
to
training
for,
but
to
help
manage
those
situations
through
training.
L
That's
a
good
way
for
us
to
create
a
resource
where
our
staff
can
go
back
to
so
if
they
do
have
to
have
an
encounter
with
someone
that
is
in
crisis,
they're
allowed
to
have
better
outcomes,
that's
what
we're
all
trying
to
do
axon.
This
is
a
new
product
for
them
that
they're
putting
out
there
we'd
see
a
lot
of
value
in
it,
and
we
hope
that
it
will
build
upon
the
skills
that
we
have
right
now
and
also
improve
those
with
our
staff.
L
So
we
can
have
better
outcomes
when
we're
dealing
with
those
types
of
challenging
situations.
A
And
does
axon
create
that
virtual
reality,
video
or
whatever
their
do
they
actually
create
that
within
their
own
company.
L
Yes,
kelsey,
and
they
do
it
through
partnerships
that
they
have
they
they're
pretty
amazing
company
based
on
what
they
do
and
also
the
people
they
surround
themselves
with
and
again
they're
looking
at
people
that
are
in
that
area
of
expertise,
so
they're
working
with
them
to
develop
these
types
of
things.
What's
really
helpful
is
that
it
gets
updated
as
well
as
part
of
this.
So
we're
always
getting
that
latest
information
and
the
latest
trends
to
be
able
to
utilize
for
training
for
our
staff.
L
Apologies
absolutely
counselor
something
we're
trying
to
do
again,
we're
being
proactive
with
this
we're
trying
to
get
this
approved,
but
we're
also
wanting
to
share
with
the
community
what
this
technology
does
and
the
empathy
training
is
an
important
part
of
that.
So
we
have
requested
axon
to
bring
that
equipment
out
here,
we're
working
with
a
venue
we're
hoping
across
the
street
at
the
santa
fe
small.
They
have
like
a
mobile
video
trailer
that
has
all
the
this
equipment
there
and
we
want
to
invite
the
community
out
for
that.
L
We
want
our
city
leadership
to
come
out
and
if
we
get
leadership
from
the
state
to
come
out
to
look
at
what's
available
and
hope
that
we
can
utilize
some
of
these
tools
to
assist
us
with
the
challenges
that
we
face.
The
only
way
to
really
kind
of
get
this
type
of
training
is,
if
you
have
people
that
are
actors
or
role
players.
That
is
a
great
way
to
do
it.
But
again
the
logistics
with
it
is
very
challenging.
But
this
is
a
good
alternative
to
that.
L
It's
a
use
of
simulators
which
will
help
us
out
with
that.
But
I'd
be
happy
to
invite
everyone
to
come.
Take
a
look
at
that
and
also
invite
our
community
to
come.
Take
a
look
at
the
equipment,
so
they
can
see
what
we're
doing,
how
we're
trying
to
be
proactive
and
how
we're
trying
to
you
know
work
towards
better
outcomes.
That's,
ultimately
what
we're
looking
for.
B
Counselor
chief
padilla
has
his
hand
up,
but
I
wanted
to
if
he
wanted
to
add.
M
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
and
counselors
good
evening,
councillor
biarel,
you
mentioned
the
funding.
The
funding
that
you
may
have
seen
was
under
the
edward
burn
grant,
so
it
wasn't
necessarily
directly
in
our
budget
or
when
we
presented
budget
earlier.
So
it's
in
the
edward
burn
graph,
that's
probably
where
it's
chiming
your
memory,
where
it
ranges
from
twenty
to
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
at
edward
grant,
where
we
use
to
do
replacement
camera
heads
batteries
and
small
devices.
So
that's
the
information,
that's
probably
in
your
head.
M
So
that's
where
that
is
at
and
just
to
support
the
program
and
just
continue
on
what
deputy
chief
valdez
is
mentioning.
We
do
have
representatives
from
axon
here
with
us
tonight,
mr
kyle
peck
and
mr
ellen
sliper
who's
in
the
attendee
room.
If
you
guys
have
direct
questions
regarding
that
empathy,
training
or
how
the
virtual
reality
simulator
works,
they're
here
for
us
tonight
to
ask
the
experts
and
that's
all.
A
Thank
you,
chief
yeah.
Actually,
if
there's
somebody
that
would
want
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
the
virtual
reality
platform
they
use
and
how
they
decide
what
characters
to
put
in
I'm
just
curious
about
that,
mostly
because
yeah,
I
don't
know
if
there's
like
a
local
context
to
it
or
if
they
just
kind
of
generally
use
characters
that
they
use
throughout
the
the
country.
B
Do
we
have
the
is
the
person
in
the
attendee
room
necessary?
Do
we
need
to
promote
that
person.
L
Yes,
madam
chair,
if
possible
and
mr
kyle,
I
can
speak
to
the
empathy
training
of
the
archery.
B
Okay
and
john-
I
don't
know
if
you're
still
here,
I'm
not
seeing
you
and
I
just
got
allen
promoted.
Oh
thank
you.
Jamie
ray
yeah,
fabulous
all
right.
Take
it
away.
N
Yeah,
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
the
vr
training
piece
of
this
thanks
for
having
us
on.
We
are
really
excited
about
the
vr
content
that
we're
bringing
to
the
communities
and
to
our
customers
in
law
enforcement,
we've
partnered
with
health,
clinicians
and
experts
to
release
modules.
We
release
a
new
module
each
month
and
it's
really
to
help
our
partners
in
law
enforcement
be
better
prepared
to
work
with
members
of
the
community
that
might
be
experiencing
challenges
with
you
know.
N
A
few
of
the
modules
that
we
have
built
out
so
far
are
members
of
the
community
that
might
be
experiencing
schizophrenia,
suicidal
ideation,
peer-to-peer
intervention
officer
to
officer,
and
so
what
the
training
does
is.
It
puts
the
officers
in
the
shoes
of
somebody
experiencing
that
mental
challenge,
and
then
they
re-enter
the
scene
as
the
officer
where
they
can
respond,
and
basically
it's
kind
of
like
a
choose.
N
Your
own
adventure
where
they're
given
choices
of
do
we
want
to
handle
it
this
way
or
that
way,
and
so
that
way
from
a
training
perspective,
they
can
work
with
each
of
their
officers
on
hey
this
person
was
experiencing
this.
This
is
how
it
feels
to
be
a
member
of
the
community
and
have
a
squad
car
roll
up
on
you
with
a
flashlight
on
and
maybe
a
weapon
drawn
or
the
lights
on
the
car,
and
so
it's
really
designed
to
help
officers
better
empathize
with
members
of
the
community
that
are
experiencing
these
challenges.
A
A
Slipper,
if
there
was
a
way
you
could
explain
if
it's
a
general
like
the
characters
you
use
in
these
scenarios,
if
they're
just
like
how
do
you
do?
Are
they
the
same
folks
that
you
use
across
the
the
country
for
each
training
module
for
each
municipality?
How
does
that
work.
K
It's
probably
best
so
I
I
handle
everything.
Software
and
camera
related,
the
virtual
reality
and
cew,
which
is
a
taser
weapon,
is
more
kyle's
purview.
It's
all
about
him
answer.
N
Yeah,
it
is
standardized
professional
actors
that
we
use
to
shoot
this.
So
to
answer
your
question
specifically,
it
is
not
like
regionality
based,
it's
actors
that
we're
using
and
we're
rolling
out
that
content
to
law
enforcement
across
the
country.
A
Thank
you.
I
I
am
interested
to
actually
see
it.
Part
of
me
doesn't
want
it
to
be
stereotypes,
so
that's
why
I'm
interested
to
actually
view
it,
because
you
know
everybody
in
some
form
or
another
can
experience
a
mental
crisis
and
it
depends
on
what
that
looks
like
and
where
you
know
what
the
person
is
experiencing.
A
So
I
guess
I'm
just
that's
where
I'm
going
with
this
and
that's
what
I
care
about,
so
I
would
like
to
see
it
when,
when
staff
is
able
to
launch
it
at
that
point,
when
we
actually
get
to
be
hands-on
with
it,
so
thank
you.
N
Yeah
quickly
on
that,
we
we
can
absolutely
get
a
headset
out
there
and
take
you
guys
through
some
of
these
modules,
so
that
you
can
experience
them
firsthand
we'd
be
happy
to
do
so.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Let's
see,
so
I
had
questions
in
the
contract
having
to
do
with.
I
think
it's
on
page
8
of
23.
A
It
has
to
do
with
the
wi-fi
positioning
and
there's
a
company
called
skyhook
holdings
incorporated
that
was
added
in
there.
As
I
don't
know,
if
that's
another
partner,
but
I
my
question
was
to
stop-
is
that
another
contract
that
we'd
have
to
pursue
with
skyhook
for
wi-fi
positioning
functionality
or
is
that
included
in
the
overall
package.
K
Thank
you,
counselor.
That's
actually
a
partner
that
we
have
that
that
we
use
to
obtain
that
wi-fi
positioning
and
location,
but
no.
This
is
all
we.
We
provide
everything
in
this
bundle
and
there's
no
other
partner
for
you
to
engage.
For
instance,
our
cameras
have
the
ability
to
live
stream.
We
include
that
lte
card
and
program
with
the
camera
so
that
you
guys
don't
have
to
manage
a
separate
lte
carrier
to
do
that.
A
N
Thank
you
counselor
for
the
question.
Yes,
it
is
essentially
we,
as
part
of
this
include
cartridges
for
training
each
year,
so
that
all
of
the
officers
can
go
through
and
practice
proficiency
with
the
devices
as
well
as
replenishment
cartridges
for
any
that
are
deployed
out
on
duty.
A
We
don't
have
a
very
user-friendly
document
to
see
all
the
pages,
so
I
have
to
just
go
through
each
of
each
one,
so
I
think
that's
it.
For
the
I
mean
those
are
more
financial
and
and
I'll
ask
this
again,
because
I
asked
this
in
finance
about
what
this
package
includes
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
again.
K
So
axon
has
a
very
public
stance
on
how
we
view
facial
recognition.
Technology
we've
had
made
investments
in
artificial
intelligence,
but
not
for
the
purposes
of
facial
recognition.
Dc
valdez
mentioned
it
the
other
day,
but
it's
it's
an
important
distinction
between
facial
detection
versus
facial
recognition,
difference
being
facial
detection
is
that
is
a
face,
and
facial
recognition
is
that's
john
smith's
face
who
lives
at
x
address,
so
we're
not
interested
in
commercializing
it
at
this
point,
because
we
just
feel
with
the
inherent
biases
and
facial
recognition
technology.
K
A
Good
answer,
thank
you.
I
think
it
would
have
helped
to
have
that
finance,
but
thank
you
again
and
then
the
other
piece
was
the
license
plate
recognition
technology.
Is
that
part
of
it?
This
package.
K
A
A
L
Madam
chair
counselor
perrian,
we
went
through
the
I.t
governance
board
with
us,
we're
very
fortunate
working
with
axon
during
the
test
evaluation
to
see
what
capacity
is
going
to
be
utilized
from
our
staff.
The
first
part
is
just
going
to
be
the
initial
setup,
so
when
we
set
up
the
whole
program,
that's
where
the
most
involved
is
going
to
be
our
it
staff
is
prepared
for
that.
They
already
have
been
deploying
the
four
test
evaluation
camps
that
we
had
in
the
field
and
then
it'll
just
be.
L
You
know,
maintenance
that
goes
out
as
things
being
pushed
out,
setting
up
the
docking
stations,
but
the
vast
majority
of
the
service
and
the
updates
to
the
programs
can
be
done
by
axon
and
I'll.
Let
alan
had
any
additional
information
from
their
end
to
let
you
know
the
capacity
that
may
be
needed
from
our
I.t
staff.
K
Yeah
there's
been
a
trend.
I've
been
in
public
sector
software
for
about
15
years
and
there's
been
a
trend
from
handling
things
yourselves
on
premise,
to
doing
things
in
the
cloud
that
we
all
hear
about
every
day,
but
there's
true
benefits
to
be
had
there
in
the
sense
that
we
are
handling
all
the
management
of
the
servers
and
the
data
and
should
things
you
know,
should
things
go
south
or
malfunction
your
staff
not
scrambling
to
figure
out
how
to
move
the
data
from
one
server
to
another,
we're
handling
all
that
ourselves.
K
So
it
really
does
take
a
lot
of
the
lift
off
of
a
city
it
department
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
work
with
as
many
as
we
do.
I
think
worldwide
we're
with
about
17
000
law
enforcement
agencies
and
that's
a
big
reason
as
we
make
this
transition
from
managing
things
yourself
to
letting
you
know
letting
the
experts
handle
it
essentially.
A
And
to
follow
up
with
that,
you
know
part
of
our
our
issues.
I
think
with
some
of
the
contracts
we
have
is
that
we
become
too
dependent
on
the
contractor,
and
so
they
just
have
this
contract.
That
goes
on
into
infinity,
and
so
I
don't
really
want
to
see
that
I
want
us
to
be
able
to
be
technically
savvy
our
staff
I.t,
as
well
as
obviously
having
you
all
to
fall
back
on
if
there
were
any
problems.
So
what
is
I
mean?
A
K
Mean
it
all
comes
down
to
training
all
of
our
training
implementation
specialists
are
former
law
enforcement,
so
they
really
understand
day-to-day
workflows
of
a
police
department,
and
then
we
also
have
obviously
technical
staff
that
can
help
train
up
your
technical
staff,
so
they
can
be
self-sufficient
because
you're
right,
you
want
them
to
be
able
to
address
their
own
issues
and
and
get
into
the
system
when
they
need
to.
But
at
the
same
time
have
somebody
like
us
to
fall
back
on.
Should
things
not
go
smoothly
or
should
should
more
more
researcher
information
be
necessary.
K
That
is
our
standard
term.
We
work
with,
if
you
think
of
us,
a
major
city,
police
agency,
it's
very
likely.
We
work
with
them
and
five
years
is
our
standard
contract.
Some
even
do
longer
terms
because
they
want
to
lock
in
more
predictability
over.
You
know
a
longer
period,
but
five
years
is
our
standard
term.
A
Okay,
well,
yeah.
I
think
I
think
we
have
some
high
hopes
for
this,
I
mean
so
that
our
officers
are
have
the
tools
they
need
and
also
you
know,
making
sure
that
we're
that
we're
trained
so
that
we
don't
have
to
use
a
less
lethal
taser
device
or
even
that
the
empathy
training
devices
are
the
empathy
training
is
helpful
so
that
we
can
figure
out
in
crisis
situations,
but
also
high
emotion
situations
and
that
our
officers
are
able
to
respond
with
empathy.
So
I
just
yeah,
I
think,
there's
just
a
lot.
A
This
is
five
years
of
a
lot
of
investment.
So
I'll,
be
you
know
paying
attention
to
how
this
rolls
out,
and
there
was
one
other
question
I
had.
What
was
it.
A
Yeah
I'll
just
I
just
think
this
is
important
and
also
to
make
sure
that
we
we
have
the
tools
we
need,
as
well
as
resources
from
people
that
work
with
mental
health,
to
be
able
to
partner
with
that
and
versus
just
using
technology.
So
I'll
just
stop
there.
Thank
you.
If
I
can
think
of
my
other
question
I'll
come
back.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
counselor
councillor,
rivera.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
this
is
for
the
contractor
as
well,
and
I
wasn't
clear
the
does.
The
training
involve
people
of
color
or
people
that
are
within
the
area,
specifically,
I
guess
hispanics
and
whites
that
are
predominantly
in
the
area
and
does
it
include
other
other
races
as
well.
N
Yeah
when
it
came
to
selecting
the
actors
and
actresses
that
are
a
part
of
these
community
engagement
modules,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
releasing
a
new
module
each
month
and
so
there's
a
wide
variety
of
different
people
that
play
a
part
in
all
of
these
modules,
and
we
try
to
get
a
very
diverse
selection.
And
I
I
thought,
counselor
made
a
good
comment
about
just
making
sure
that
there's
not
biases
there
and
that's
something
that
we've
definitely
been
very
cognizant
in
all
of
our
material
that
we
are
building
out
for
this.
N
We
work
with
mental
health
clinicians,
and
you
know,
doctors,
former
law
enforcement
that
are
really
helping
us
and
giving
us
input
in
terms
of
how
we're
shaping
this
curriculum.
So
there
is
a
diverse
set
of
actors
and
actresses
playing
in
each
of
the
modules.
F
All
right,
and
with
that,
I
assume
from
what
I
heard
you
say,
is
different
behaviors
as
well
mental
health,
patience
versus
just,
I
guess
people
that
would
act
in
a
normal
manner.
I
guess
whatever
somebody
might
term
is
normal.
N
Yeah,
so
a
few
of
the
modules
that
I
mentioned,
suicidal
ideation,
schizophrenia,
alzheimer's,
veteran
ptsd,
peer-to-peer
intervention,
there's
a
whole
host
of
different
modules
that
we're
releasing
content
around
and
the
idea
is,
if
you
can
get
an
officer,
if
you
think
about
like
a
new
officer
coming
out
of
the
academy-
and
you
can
put
them
through
these
modules
and
the
headset
that
lasts
five
to
ten
minutes
and
coach
them
on.
N
You
know
the
policy
and
the
best
way
to
work
with
members
of
the
community
like
that
they
can
build
up
years
and
years
of
experience.
You
know
right
there
and
in
the
matter
of
a
few
hours
on
a
headset
and
the
emotion
that
it
creates,
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
guys
have
maybe
kids
that
have
a
virtual
reality
headset.
But
you
know
your
your
palms
are
getting
sweaty.
N
You
really
feel
emerged
into
this
scenario
that
you're
living
through,
and
so
the
reason
why
we're
leveraging
virtual
reality
is
similar
to
you
know
why
surgeons
and
pilots
are
using
it,
and
that
is
it
creates
real
life
experiences
and
the
memory
tension
is
much
stronger
in
a
virtual
reality.
Setting
and
so
there's
a
whole
host
of
different
types
of
scenarios
and
different
actors
and
actresses
that
are
playing
in
those.
F
Thank
you
for
that.
Have
you
ever
had
situations
where
maybe
an
officer
didn't
react
appropriately
to
a
certain
situation,
maybe
on
multiple
occasions,
and
how
is
that
handled.
N
I
don't
know
that
I
have
a
specific
answer
to
that.
I
would
say
that
you
know
part
of
it
is
a
choose
your
own
adventure,
where
it
gives
you
different
choices
as
the
officer
of
what
what
we
want
to
do
here
and
I
think
a
certain
part
of
learning
can
come
with
maybe
intentionally
choosing
the
wrong
thing.
N
What
what
would
happen
if
I
went
this
road
instead
of
this
road,
and
so
I
think
part
of
the
different
options
and
part
of
the
training
is
to
you
know,
help
these
officers
understand
the
best
way
to
navigate
these
types
of
situations.
N
In
terms
of
you
know
how
we
have
people
choose
the
wrong
thing
over
and
over
again,
that's
something
that,
if
you're
interested
in
us,
following
up
with
you,
counselor
I'd,
be
happy
to
get
you
some
additional
information
on
that.
Can
I
ask
what
the
question
a
little
bit
more
detail
around
the?
Why
you're
asking
the
question,
so
I
think
you
said.
F
N
Gotcha,
okay,
so
essentially,
when
you
put
on
the
headset
you're
dropped
into
this
library
and
and
so
the
training
department
can
say
all
right,
you
know
this
week.
Everybody's
gonna
go
through
this
setting
and
so
the
first
you
know
five
minutes
of
that
training
will
be
you
experiencing
that
scenario
from
the
perspective
of
the
community
member
and
then
the
scenario
switches
to
where
now
you're
the
officer
responding
to
a
call
for
service
with
that
member
of
the
community.
N
So
when
I
say
you're
choosing,
you
know
between
different
options,
what
you're
choosing
is
at
different
parts
in
the
video?
The
video
will
stop
and
it'll,
give
you
options
and
the
headset
of
what
you
should
do,
how
you
should
respond
to
that.
F
That
makes
more
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
my
initial
question
was
more
around
you
know.
Let's
say
you
have
an
officer
that
has
a
an
issue
with
a
particular
race,
for
example,
and
the
person
continues
to
avoid
those
trainings
or
potentially
takes
those
trainings
and
doesn't
do
well
in
them.
M
I'll
interject
there
kyle
council
rivera,
that's
something:
that's
gonna
be
handled
here
internally
within
the
police
department.
So
it's
not
just
gonna
be
select
whatever
you
want
and
choose.
The
easiest
scenario
choose
your
own
scenario
as
kyle
kind
of
mentioned.
M
B
If
I
can,
it
looks
like
the
lieutenant
has
had
his
hand
up
and
director
ochoa
also
has
a
hand
up.
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
comment
on
on
this
question.
B
Okay
and
then
maybe
we
can
go
to
the
to
our
other
two
sure
staff
members.
N
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
that
what
we're
doing
is
building
content
and
in
terms
of
like
remediation
and
how
the
department
is
working
with
their
officers.
That's
really
up
to
the
training
staff
in
terms
of
how
the
policy
and
and
the
best
practices
that
they're
developing
within
the
agency.
F
O
Director
I
show
up
first.
Thank
you
lieutenant.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
on
the
training
that
this
module
would
enhance,
not
replace
the
existing
crisis,
training
that
the
police
department
currently
undergoes,
which
is
something
we
contract
with
public
safety.
O
Psychology
group
out
of
albuquerque,
for
I
actually
just
sat
through
the
fire
department's
training
recently
from
the
same
group
that
does
crisis
intervention
training
and
they
bring
in
live
actors,
raise
your
blood
pressure
also
and
they're,
bringing
in
local
people
with
local
situations,
and
so
we
would
see
this
as
a
really
excellent
in
the
field.
Kind
of
enhancement,
for
that
existing
training.
Just
to
clarify
for
members
of
the
committee
on
the
public.
B
E
Yes,
madam
chair
counselors,
I
also
wanted
to
point
out
I've
been
the
point
person
on
this
project
for
quite
a
long
time
and
when
it
comes
to
the
vr.
One
of
the
main
selling
points
for
us
was
that
axon
is
very
responsive
to
feedback,
and
I
made
it
clear
that
you
know-
or
one
of
the
questions
I
asked
was:
if
we
want
to
see
a
specific
kind
of
you
know
thing
addressed:
can
they
do
that
and
they
can
so?
E
We
did
bring
up
english's
second
language,
dealing
with
a
hearing,
impaired,
they're,
very
open
to
to
doing
that
and
working
with
law
enforcement.
So
we
also
brought
up
that
it's
not
just
new
mexico
and
santa
fe.
It's
los
angeles.
It's
phoenix!
E
All
those
areas
are
dealing
with
these
things
on
a
regional
type
of
field,
so
they
understand
that
that
stuff
comes
up
and
they're
very,
very
responsive
and
I'd
also
like
to
bring
up
that
they've
actually
quantified
the
retention
of
this
training
for
the
officers.
So,
yes,
it
augments
our
crisis,
training
that
we
already
do,
but
they
do.
E
They
have
figured
out
that
retention
is
much
higher
with
the
vr
training
than
it
is
with
the
classroom
alone
and
scenario
where
the
officer
we
know
that
you
know
we're
doing
scenarios,
but
we
know
it's
it's
it's
somebody
that
we
know,
and
we
know
how
they're
gonna
react
now
with
the
vr
training,
it's
much
more
different.
It's
I've
actually
put
that
headset
on
and
you're
in
it.
I
didn't
think
it
was
gonna
be,
but
it
was
very
encompassing
it.
E
It
was
a
very
strange
feeling
for
me,
so
it's
it's
we're
really
excited
and
the
I
believe
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
kyle
the
retention
after
a
year
for
this
training
was
80
compared
to.
I
think
it
was
20
for
the
classroom
or
even
less.
N
Yeah,
that's
correct,
lieutenant
80
retention
after
one
year
of
vr
training,
whereas
you
typically
see
20
retention
following
just
one
week
after
a
classroom
setting.
N
Just
the
ability
to
recall
like
what
you
learned
and
so
from
a
virtual
reality
perspective.
You
see
people
being
able
to
retain
that
content.
N
Eighty
percent
a
year
later,
whereas
you
know
you've
all
been
through
all
day,
power
points
and
training
of
that
nature,
and
it's
really
hard
to
recall
more
than
just
a
couple
nuggets
throughout
the
day,
and
so
we
see,
with
this
virtual
reality,
training
the
ability
for
these
officers
to
take
things
that
they
learned
in
their
annual
training
and
be
able
to
pull
that
out
when
they
need
it
on
the
street.
You
know,
weeks
months
after
they're,
going
through
these
trainings.
B
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
more
hands.
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
How
soon
will
this
training
be
available
in
santa
fe
to
our
department.
N
All
right
I'll
take
it
her
allen
go
for
it.
Do
you
mean
the
vr
training.
B
K
So
I
mean
the
way
our
timelines
work
and
kyle
at
info.
Where
were
necessary
once
we
agree
upon
terms
with
the
city,
it's
usually
about
a
eight
to
ten
week
timeline
tour.
We
get
our
guys
boots
on
the
ground
trading
up
your
guys
shortly
thereafter,
kyle
correctly
from
wrong,
we
would
deploy
the
the
vr
training
and
you
guys
would
would
have
it
in
your
hands,
along
with
everything
else
that
you're
buying
in
this
bundle,
and
so
this
is
something.
N
Frame
good
question
counselor,
so
typically
we
can
ship
all
the
gear
and
then
have
our
people
come
on
site
help
you
open
the
boxes,
get
everything
uploaded
into
your
account
and
train
all
of
your
instructors
on
how
they're
going
to
be
using
it.
We
typically
see
about
an
eight-week
turnaround
from
the
time
that
we
receive
an
executed
contract
until
you
are
then
ready
to
go
roll
out
and
train
to
your
end
users.
So
within
a
few
weeks
of
the
contract
being
executed.
N
Typically,
we
are
shipping
all
of
the
gear
to
you
and
then
shortly
thereafter,
we're
on
site
with
you
with
your
department
and
training
them
up
on
it,
so
it
would
be
within
you
know,
one
to
two
months
after
the
contract
execution.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
less
lethal
tasers
and
just
the
difference
between
what
we
have
and
what
we're
getting.
N
Yeah,
deputy
chief
valdes
is
that
something
that
you
want
to
field
or
would
you
like.
L
Chair
currently,
we
field
two
devices
of
those
two
devices.
One
of
them
has
been
end-to-life
for
some
time,
so
they
no
longer
make
it
the
latest
device
we
have
is
the
x2
that
one
has
been
deployed
with
us
since
2012,
and
it's
also
coming
to
the
point
where
it's
going
to
eventually
get
to
end
of
life
so
based
on
the
technology
that
exists
right
now,
we're
looking
at
a
system
standpoint.
L
So,
instead
of
just
having
things
work
individually,
which
we
found
through
our
evidence,
improvement
project,
it's
not
going
to
have
things
in
silos,
so
this
is
a
total
system,
that's
being
deployed,
it's
the
less
lethal
device,
the
in-car
camera
system
and
the
bodyboard
camera
system,
so
they
all
work
as
a
system
together.
L
The
good
thing
about
is:
when
people
talk
about
the
taser
device,
it
is
an
alternative
to
using
a
higher
level
of
force.
The
way
we
utilize,
that
again,
is
if
we
have
someone
that
is
in
a
situation
where
we
can
safely
employ
that
device
to
again
have
a
better
outcome.
We
want
to
be
able
to
utilize
that
device,
but
the
question
always
comes
about.
Well.
What
about
the
accountability?
You
know?
Is
there
a
desensitized,
tasing
desensitization?
L
Sorry,
are
people
desensitized
to
utilizing
that
device
versus
other
things
and
it's
gonna
be
more
prevalent.
So
there's
a
lot
of
concern
with
that.
So,
what's
great
about
this
system
is
once
that
device
is
taken
out
of
its
carrier
and
it's
taken
off
as
safe
any
camera
device.
That's
within
proximity
is
going
to
be
engaged,
so
we
have
that
transparency
that
accountability
say
here's
what
it's
going
to
be.
It
also
tracks
how
long
in
duration
that
device
was
utilized.
So
that's
going
to
be
that
audit
track
and
it
lets
us
track
all
that
data.
L
So
if
the
question
ever
comes
up
in
a
use
of
force
evaluation
or
if
there's
a
torque
that
comes
forward,
we
can
say
this
is
when
the
device
was
deployed.
This
was
the
duration
is
deployed
and
utilizing
as
a
system
we'll
have
the
body
cam
and
in-car
camera
video
to
go
and
document
the
situation,
so
we
can
properly
evaluate
it
with
our
current
devices.
We
do
not
have
that
capability
to
have
that
engagement.
So
that
is
a
big
reason.
Why
we're
looking
to
get
that
upgrade
and
again
just
to
get
everyone
the
same
device?
L
Because,
right
now
we
have
some
people
utilizing
the
x2.
That
is
the
one
that
was
developed
and
deployed
in
well
deployed
for
us
in
2012,
and
then
we
had
the
x26,
which
was
deployed
back
in
2006,
which
we
still
are
utilizing
out
there
in
the
field,
with
our
staff
and
its
end
of
life.
L
But
with
these
devices
it
is
added
to
our
options
that
we
utilize,
including
impact
munitions
that
we
can
use
when
the
situation
allows
it
to
safely
be
utilized
as
an
alternative
to
using
a
higher
level
force
to
resolve
these
situations.
But
the
big
thing
we're
looking
for
is
that
accountability
that
audit
track?
That's
what
we
really
gained
with
going
to
the
taser
7
device?
L
It's
not
about
getting
a
new
toy,
it's
not
about
getting
a
new
thing
to
wear
on
your
belt.
It's
utilizing
this
whole
system.
So
it's
all
tracked.
It's
all
accountable
and
we're
able
to
have
those
safeguards
in
place
to
make
sure
that
it
is
properly
being
utilized
in
addition
to
the
camera
system.
It
lets
us
know
our
people
utilize,
the
camera
within
policy,
which
is
a
huge
thing
now
that
we
have
state
bill
eight
to
come
up
where
it
says
all
police
officers
have
to
use
a
camera
for
these
situations.
L
L
When
we
find
that
out
it's
when
we
do
an
inspection
of
the
camera
or
they
have
to
go,
get
video
from
an
event
and
that's
when
they
learn
of
it
with
the
camera
system.
It
sends
those
automatic
notifications
to
us
that
there's
an
error
with
that
camera
and
if
it
does
need
to
be
replaced,
exxon
is
sending
that
replacement
in
the
mail,
so
we
can
get
it
off
the
street
and
get
it
redeployed.
L
So
we
do
have
an
operating
system
that
works,
but
with
these
less
suitable
devices
again,
there
are
options
to
use
as
an
alternative
to
using
deadly
force
where
it's
safely
able
to
be
done.
Okay,
that's
that's
the
standpoint
of
the
department,
that's
within
our
policy
and
again
it's
within
again
the
supreme
court
standard.
You
know
of
objective
reasonableness
and
ellen.
If
you
have
anything
else
to
add.
K
I
would
just
say
that,
with
the
new
less
lethal
device
upon
arming
of
it,
it
actually
will
will
automatically
activate
the
body
camera
so
that
it
will.
K
It
will
tell
you
what
the
story
was
as
well
as
the
prior
30
seconds,
leading
up
to
that
moment
also
part
of
that
that
new
device
there's
a
what's
called
a
warning
arc,
which
is
enough
sight
and
sound
that
arc
can
often
be
enough
to
de-escalate
situation
without
having
to
use
it
and
that's
also
very
important,
and
that,
and
that
also
would
start
a
camera
recording.
So
like
dc
was
saying
it's
all
about
accountability.
The
the
the
party
was
talking
about
about
staying
within
policy.
K
We
have
a
module
within
the
system
that
actually
will
will
tell
you
which
calls
for
service
might
be
missing,
activations
and
which
officers
have
a
higher
low
activation
rate
with
those
cameras
and
identify
training
opportunities
within
the
department
of
who
who
needs
to
be.
You
know
given
extra
training
on
on
when
and
how
to
use
these
things,
so
we've
really
taken
it
beyond
just
recording
interactions
and
then
storing
it
somewhere.
It
goes
a
lot
a
lot
more
beyond
that
yeah
and.
E
Madam
chad
like
to
also
add
it
has
a
an
option
where
we
can
set
an
alert
to
commanders
and
officers
in
the
field.
If
a
taser
gets
activated,
we
can
actually
see
a
live
stream
so
as
well
as
cameras
coming
on
it'll.
Tell
it'll
tell
me
that
as
a
commander,
if
somebody
out
in
the
field
just
activated
their
taser,
I
can
actually
click
on
that
camera
and
I
can
actually
see
what's
going
on
live
so
that
that
is
a
huge
thing
for
me.
Also.
B
B
All
right,
so
I
find
all
of
this
very
fascinating,
but
I'm
not
sure
you
answered
my
question,
which
is
what
makes
this
taser
less
lethal
to
the
ones,
the
two
outdated
ones
that
we
have.
I
get
just
guessing,
I'm
assuming
that
the
technology
is
now
better
in
the
machi
in
the
in
the
unit.
Therefore,
it's
less
lethal-
I
don't
know
I
mean.
Is
it
like
a
lower
level
of
electricity?
Is
it
a
I?
I
don't
know
why
why?
Why
do
you
say
less
lethal.
N
Yeah
less
lethal
is
is
synonymous
with
non-lethal,
essentially,
tasers
are
deployed
so
that
people
don't
lose
their
lives,
and
so
it's
not
that
it's
comparison.
Comparing
this
model
versus
the
previous
model,
it's
just
tasers
in
general,
are
considered
a
less
lethal
or
a
non-lethal
device.
N
What
I
would
add
to
just
what
are
you
getting
with
this
model
versus
previous
models?
In
addition
to
what
was
already
said
is
a
big
part
of
it.
Just
comes
down
to
officer
safety
and
community
safety,
the
the
model
that
you
guys
have
and
the
units
that
you
have
a
lot
of
them
have
been
out
on
your
streets
for
10
to
12
years,
and
they
all
come
with
a
recommended
five-year,
useful
life
and
so
similar
to
your
cell
phones
and
your
computers.
N
You
know
it's
an
electronic
piece
of
equipment
that
wears
out
over
time
and
so
what
we
are
trying
to
do,
and
not
only
getting
a
better
piece
of
technology
that
has
better
outcomes
for
your
community
members,
but
also
we
need
to
get
new
devices
out
there
that
are
going
to
be
reliable
from
being
within
that
five-year
recommended
useful
life
as
well.
B
Yeah,
okay,
interesting
so
les
lethal
is
really
a
term
of
art
in
the
spectrum
of
things
that
you
can
use
in
terms
of
weaponry,
it's
not
to
reflect
that
this
is
somehow
different
than
its
earlier
versions
in
terms
of
the
power
that
it
emits
when
used.
I
guess
is
what
you're
telling
me.
B
Okay,
interesting
director
choa
you
popped
in,
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
add
anything,
but
you
know
you're
like
mary
poppins
you
pop
in
and
I
I
want
to
pay
attention
so
all
right.
No,
no!
No!
I
I'm
glad
you're
here.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
am
I'm
including
you
as
as
needed.
Let's
see,
okay,
so
senate
bill,
8,
state
law
for
people
who
may
be
watching
who
don't
know
senate
bill
8
required
the
use
of
body
cams
in
police
officers
under
certain
situations
across
the
state.
B
I
think
that's
a
fair
assessment
if
you
all
want
to
add
to
that
fine.
What
I'm
curious
about.
I
I'm
a
director
on
the
municipal
league
board
and
certainly
smaller
communities
have
been
very
concerned
about
this,
because
they
don't
have
the
storage
capacity
to
hold
all
the
video
that
is
recorded,
and
you
know
that
was
going
to
be
a
huge.
B
Investment
in
their
infrastructure
to
make
sure
that
they
could,
you
know,
do
right
by
the
law
and
and
save
the
video
so
curious.
This
contract,
you
all
we're
storing
the
video.
This
is
going
to
increase
our
capacity.
We
already
had
capacity
we're
going
to
store
it
in
the
cloud
versus
somewhere
else.
Does
this
address
anything
for
us?
I
don't
I
don't.
You
know
we're
a
larger
municipality
than
some
of
these
communities
that
I'm
aware
of
that
were
struggling
with
this.
Just
if
somebody
could
just
speak
to
the
video
storage.
K
I
can
speak
to
that,
madam
chair,
so,
basically,
with
with
this
package,
you
get
unlimited
storage
for
anything
captured
on
any
of
our
devices.
So
you
don't
have
to
worry
about.
You
know
a
murder
case
you
have
to
hold
on
to
forever.
We
we're
we're
there
to
back
you
up
on
that.
I
think
previously,
with
some
of
the
smaller
municipalities
we
we
might
have
done
a
a
metered
or
set
storage
plan,
and
it
it
became
hard
to
manage
and
hard
to
predict.
So
we've
essentially
started
moving
everybody
to
these
unlimited
plans.
K
Just
so
you
can
take
the
burden
of
worrying
about
where
this
stuff
is
going
to
go
because
you
amass
hours
and
hours
of
video
and
if
you
have
to
worry
about,
where
are
we
going
to
put
it,
and
what
are
we
going
to?
How
should
we
categorize
it?
So
we
don't
keep
it
for
too
long
yeah
that
that's
the
reason
for
the
unlimited
storage
plan.
K
Currently
you
have
it
on
on-prem.
So
if
you,
if
you
were
filling
up
a
server,
you'd
have
to
buy
another
one
to
then
increase
your
storage
capacity.
B
Okay
and
then
so,
this
came
up
last
night
about
how
that
data
is
used.
You
don't
contract
for
to
use
that
data
in
any
way
outside
of
how
we
might.
B
Yeah
and
kind
of
important
provision-
okay,
I
think
that
was.
B
All
I
had
councillor
rivera
your
hand,
is
up.
F
O
Counselor
rivera
I'll,
let
chief
padilla
talk
about
how
the
santa
fe
pd
was
very
proactive
with
getting
cit
training
through
the
group
I
mentioned
pspg,
which,
as
you
may
know,
the
fire
department
is
now
contracting
with
as
well,
and
how
this
would
interact
with
the
axon
for
virtual
reality.
Training.
M
This
thank
you
director,
counselor.
I
said
the
initial
40
hour
course
that
many
of
our
officers
were
the
young
or
old
or
senior
within
the
police
department,
went
through
that
training
in
2018
2019
this
year.
Through
the
fiscal
budget.
We
added
the
funds
in
there
to
do
the
refresher
training,
eight
hours
of
refresher
training.
We
began
that
training
just
last
week.
I
know
debbie
chief
valdez
went
through
it
last
week.
I
actually
went
through
that
eight
hour
course.
Just
yesterday
it
was
down
in
albuquerque
at
their
classroom
and
their
scenario.
M
We
conducted
scenarios
regarding
a
traffic
jam
and
the
individual
was
frustrated
because
the
other
person
cut
them
off.
So
it
was
a
road
rage
incident,
so
you
and
that
other
fellow
responding
officer
had
to
go
out
there
and
speak
to
him
and
empathize
with
that
person
and
listen
to
him
and
understand
their
frustrations
of
what
was
going
on
to
try
to
convince
that
driver
to
get
back
into
the
vehicle
out
of
traffic
and
then
just
carry
on
with
the
rest
of
their
day
and
get
home
to
the
scenario
or
situation
that
they
were
dealing
with.
M
M
The
mother
wasn't
home
and
the
mother
was
using
some
type
of
intoxicants
and
possibly
it
was
a
child
abuse
and
used
through
the
skills
of
speaking
to
the
child,
getting
down
on
their
level
and
just
that
real
life
actors
and
just
de-escalating
the
situation
and
just
building
those
hooks
to
relate
with
that
person
and
speak
to
them
and
get
on
their
level
and
get
that
behind
the
scenes.
Information
to
dig
that
information.
M
So
that
was
big
bonus
points
if
you
were
actually
able
to
get
to
that
end
of
that
scenario
and
get
that
information
with
that
child,
but
just
just
listening
all
the
way
around
nationally
what
the
trends
in
law
enforcement
are
interacting
with
individuals,
whether
it's
suicide
by
cop
or
just
speaking,
to
a
fellow
officer
who's
in
need
and
they're
just
dealing
with
their
own
personal
crisis,
whether
it's
the
effects
of
covid,
whether
it's
financial
strain
did
they
recently
get
married?
Did
they
recently
have
a
child?
M
Did
they
get
divorced,
just
learning
all
that
empathy
and
self-reflection?
It
was
great
training.
I
said
I'm
just
fresh
on
it.
Why?
Because
I
just
did
it
just
yesterday
and
that's
something
that
our
whole
department
is
going
through
and
then,
as
we
hire
newer
officers
or
lateral
officers.
If
they
haven't
been
through
that
type
of
training
here
through
new
mexico,
we
will
be
sending
them
through
the
full
40-hour.
F
M
They
do
not
work
together
the
officers
actually
when
I
went
through
the
training
yesterday,
we're
not
in
full
uniform.
We
don't
have
a
full
duty
belt
on
it's,
not
a
hands-on
training
where
you're
gonna
deploy
some
type
of
a
training
device
or
go
hands-on
and
tackle
the
person,
pepper
spray
them
just
using
those
basic
de-escalation
techniques
and
speaking
to
that
individual
and
getting
on
their
level
and
using
that
lowest
level.
Many
officers,
you
know
when
we
interview
officers
verbalizing
in
the
speaking
skills.
M
That's
the
number
one
skill
that
all
law
enforcement
use
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
whether
they
realize
it
or
not.
Everyone
thinks
they
get
into
law
enforcement
and
they
have
this
duty
belt
with
every
doohickey
in
the
world,
whether
it's
a
bowl
of
wrap
and
a
pistol
and
a
baton,
and
any
other
thing
that
you
could
think
of.
What's
used
on
a
daily
basis
is
just
verbal
commands
and
speaking
to
someone
and
not
going
in
there
with
a
perceived
conception
that
I'm
arriving
on
scene
and
that
person
is
going
to
jail,
no
events
or
buts.
M
But
that's
not
the
way
our
police
department
works
and
I'm
sure
there's
police
departments
that
work
that
way
or
individual
officers
it's
to
get
there
and
assess
the
own
individual
system,
so
axon
and
the
pspg
are
not
partnered
together.
Nor
do
the
virtual
reality
go
hand
in
hand.
That's
true,
hands-on
and
dealing
with
those
real-life
role.
Actors,
as
we
did
yesterday
and.
O
Madame
turner,
mr
mr
councillor
vera,
if
I
may
add,
I
think,
to
clarify,
we
would
not
see
one
replacing
the
other
that,
as
chief
padilla
mentioned,
we
have
an
eight-hour
refresher
course.
I
think
the
nice
thing,
my
understanding
about
the
virtual
reality,
empathy,
training
and
crisis
intervention
or
de-escalation
training
is
that
that
can
be
provided
more
easily.
O
You
know
to
do
an
eight-hour
training
down
in
albuquerque,
for
our
staff,
as
you
know,
is
a
huge
planning
lift
and
it's
you
know
it's
very
different
from
being
able
to
put
on
a
vr
headset
in
the
station
and
and
refresh
your
skills
in
that
way.
So
we
see
it
as
complementary
great
thank.
F
You
and
then
either
for
chief
audis
or
lieutenant
strand.
I
heard
that
the
activation
of
the
camera
would
be
in
relation
to
use
of
a
taser.
What
about
a
duty,
weapon
or
just
getting
out
of
the
vehicle?
Is
it
does
it?
Is
it
tied
into
the
taser,
or
is
it
tied
into
the
vehicle
itself
where,
if
the
vehicle
camera's
on
then
the
body
camera
is
on
as
well.
L
Imagine
your
counselor
veto
so
with
those
devices
you're
able
to
put
they're
called
triggers
on
the
vehicle.
So
if
you
come
to
a
scene
and
you
open
up
the
back
door
on
the
passenger
side
for
a
transport,
it'll
have
the
pre-record
for
the
devices
it'll
engage
both
the
body
cam
and
car
camera.
What
we're
looking
at
is
automation,
one
thing
that
we
do
see
during
tens
situations
or
emergent
situations
when
officers
get
on
scene.
L
If
they're
going
for
an
emergency
call
or
for
emergency
call
for
assistance,
they'll
get
out
they'll
do
their
thing,
then
they'll
realize.
Oh,
my
goodness.
I
didn't
turn
on
my
body
cam
and
that's
a
big
concern.
So
now,
once
they
come
inside
of
that
proximity,
those
triggers
are
in
place
and
that
can
be
engaged.
L
L
That
is
something
we
can
look
at,
but
on
that
side
I
wanted
to
get
some
more
information
from
that
to
see.
How
does
that
trigger?
Is
it
just
could
be
for
the
duty
sidearm?
What
about
people
that
use
different
types
of
holsters?
Those
are
conversations
that
we
want
to
look
at
and
something
we
may
want
to
possibly
teeny,
and
that
could
be
something
that
maybe
we
look
at
down
the
road
for
this
program.
L
But
one
thing
with
the
device,
though,
that
we
did
see
during
the
critical
incident
is
each
one
of
these
cameras:
the
bodyboard
cameras.
They
are
equipped
with
a
gunshot
detection
device.
So
if
an
officer
is
out
in
the
field
and
if
either
they
utilize
a
firearm
or
if
there's
a
gunshot
detector
coming
inbound
towards
them
in
the
general
vicinity,
it
will
activate
that
camera.
It
will
send
notification
to
that
supervisor
to
know
hey
a
gunshot's
been
detected.
L
It
is
very
unfortunate
that
we
had
to
have
that
notification
several
weeks
ago,
but
we
do
know
the
technology
works
and
it
gives
us
the
location
of
that
officer
in
the
event
that
they
are
in
need
of
assistance
if
they're
not
able
to
radio
their
needing
assistance.
That
officer
safety
plan
is
going
to
help
us
one
see
what
the
situation
is.
L
Two
gives
the
location
to
the
officer,
so
we
can
then
provide
them
immediate
medical
attention,
if
need
be,
so
those
are
the
things
that
they
do
have
in
there
again,
there's
always
improvements
being
made
by
axons.
L
So
we
expect
that
technology
to
continue
to
improve
and
we're
going
to
look
at
any
way
that
we
can
utilize
those
types
of
benefits
to
improve
what
we
do
to
help
with
accountability
and
to
let
people
know
hey,
look
we're
doing
everything
right
by
you,
so
we
can
demonstrate
that
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
say
it:
it's
nothing
to
prove
it.
We
want
to
be
able
to
prove
that
to
people
who
here's,
what
we
did,
here's,
how
we
responded
and
again
that
camera
is
a
third
party.
L
F
L
So
once
with
the
taser
device
that
I'll
turn
on
the
cameras
automatically
that's
through
automation,
if
we
have
a
trigger
set
up
on
the
back
passenger
door
for
transport,
it'll
turn
on
and
engage
that
camera
through
automation.
If
the
emergency
equipment
on
the
vehicle
is
turned
on
it'll
turn
on
both
the
in-car
camera
device
and
the
bodyboard
camera
device.
L
In
addition
to
those
once
the
camera
is
activated
well,
actually
one
more
if
it
detects
a
gunshot
detection,
it'll
automatically
turn
off
if
it's
not
engaged
and
then
once
all
those
are
met
any
of
those
situations.
If
an
officer
enters
an
area
and
proximity
to
another
vehicle
or
camera
that
has
been
activated
that
vehicle
and
camera
will
also
be
automatically
activated
once
it
gets
in
proximity
of
that
scene.
F
Can
they
override
the
automatic
activation
systems.
L
However,
if
another
officer
gets
on
scene,
we
can
look
at
that
and
if
that
is
occurring,
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
flagged
in
the
audit
report
that
we
would
be
looking
at
to
see.
Hey
is
this
within
policy.
So
if
we
see
there's
an
officer
that
gets
on
the
scene
and
they
turn
off
their
camera,
but
then
we
see
with
our
logs
at
our
call
logs.
That
officer
is
on
scene
for
20
minutes,
but
there's
only
two
minutes
on
that.
Recording
that
will
flag
that
recording
and
say
hey.
L
K
And
the
the
audit
trail
would
show
that
the
camera
was
activated
via.
Let's
say
he
turns
on
the
light
bar
and
camera
comes
on
and
then
two
minutes
later
it
would
say
camera
was
stopped
manually
by
the
officer,
so
we
would
know,
unfortunately,
there's
no
way
to
prevent
the
manual
stoppage
of
the
camera,
but
we
would
know
that
he
stopped
it
before
his
call
was
done
and
they
would
you
know
you
guys
would
know
something.
Something
was
wrong.
L
And
just
one
more
thing
to
add
the
function
to
start
recording
it
manually
and
to
end
recording
manually
are
two
separate
button
functions
currently
for
our
camera
is
the
same
button
function,
so
someone's
thinking
they're
turning
on
their
camera,
they
may
actually
be
turning
it
off
with
our
current
legacy
system
within
the
design
that
axon
has.
It
prevents
those
situations
from
occurring,
so
it
is
very
deliberate
when
they
are
started.
The
recording
it's
very
deliberate
when
they
end
the
recording
manually.
K
Actions
are
it's,
it's
a
double
tap
to
re,
to
start
and
a
hard
press
for
three
seconds
to
stop
so
very
different
motions.
F
L
Madam
chair
counselor
vetta,
if
it's
one
of
those
situations
where
they
have
to
manually,
engage
the
camera
that
is
required
by
policy
for
certain
types
of
calls
and
responses.
Anytime,
there's
a
person
contact
our
staff
by
both
state
statute
and
by
policy
are
required
to
engage
that
camera
device.
L
If
there's
situations
where
it
would
require
the
engagement
of
emergency
equipment.
That
starts
the
equipment
all
on
its
own
through
automation,
but
there
still
is
a
responsibility
on
our
staff
members
to
be
within
policy
and
within
law
to
engage
with
cameras
for
every
person
contact
that
they
have,
because
that
is
what
they're
required
to
do.
B
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
more
questions.
Is
there
a
motion.
B
D
D
B
Did
you
ask
councillor
rivera,
or
did
I
not
hear
it
I
did
ask
you.
F
B
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
so
that
is
the
end
of
what
we've
pulled
from
consent.
We
have
no
action
items
for
discussion
tonight.
Are
there
matters
from
staff
jamie
ray?
Do
you
have
anything
madam
chair?
Do
not.