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A
We
are
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project.
Your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
following
the
public
comment
period,
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
and
then
the
public
hearing
will
be
will
be
closed.
The
only
comments
which
will
be
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
is
closed
will
be
in
response
to
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
A
The
Commissioners
will
then
discuss
the
case
and
will
make
their
decision
based
on
the
city
ordinance
chapter
27
of
the
City
Zoning
code,
the
design
guidelines,
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards,
historic
preservation,
development
review
or
HP
DRC
comments
and
the
testimony
given
at
the
public
hearing
tonight.
Please
remember:
the
arc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional
responsibility,
owners
and
or
agents
are
independently
responsible
to
obtain
any
appropriate
permits
and
or
approvals
approvals.
Now,
if
you
haven't
already
done
so,
please
do
silence.
D
F
G
B
H
I
H
I
J
I
I
I
This
is
an
aerial
to
give
you
sort
of
a
bird's
eye
view
of
the
structure
it's
located
on
the
corner
of
Jatan
Avenue
in
South
Fremont,
and
it
is
situated
on
a
corner
lot
in
which
the
vehicular
access
is
off
of
Fremont.
So
you'll
see
that
in
the
photo
essay.
I
This
is
the
1929
Sanborn
map.
It
is
showing
the
contributing
structure
with
an
accessory
structure.
Take
note
of
the
location
of
this
accessory
structure
in
1929.
This
accessory
structure
was
more
interior
to
the
lot.
The
current
structure
is,
as
I
said,
a
butts.
The
street
fronts
the
street.
However,
it
is
designated
as
contributing,
so
it
was
just
built
a
little
after
1929.
I
This
is
the
front
of
the
primary
structure:
very
nice
craftsman,
style
bungalow.
The
owners
went
through
a
lot
of
work
to
recently
restore
this
Bungalow
I'm
sure
the
the
agent
will
be
telling
you
about
that.
This
is
the
west
elevation.
You
see
the
Camelback
pop-up.
I
I
Back
into
the
street,
this
is
Fremont
looking
towards
the
North.
The
structure
that
we're
talking
about
is,
as
I
said,
accessed
off
a
free
map,
and
this
is
back
down
towards
the
South.
I
Contingent
on
the
demolition
being
approved,
there
will
be
new
construction
of
an
accessory
structure
presented
to
you,
so
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
some
of
the
conditions
of
the
rear
yard.
This
is
there's
a
swimming
pool
that
abuts
the
current
accessory
structure,
and
then
you
see
the
rear
of
the
primary
structure
back
into
the
alley,
see
the
subject
structure
here
on
the
right
and
then
the
alley
as
it
as
you
look
towards
the
West.
I
So,
as
I
said,
this
is
a
request
for
demolition,
so
I'll
ask
the
agent
to
come
and
present
their
request
for
the
Demolition
and
then
the
new
construction
and
you'll
have
to
determine
if
the
demolition
can
move
forward
before.
If
we
consider
a
motion
on
the
new
construction
certificate
of
appropriateness.
K
Good
evening,
Commissioners
Jim
Lloyd
last
name
Lloyd
with
Lloyd
Craftsman
I'm,
a
contractor
representing
the
wagamens,
who
are
the
homeowners
at
1802,
West
ChatON
we're
going
to
discuss
the
well
wait.
It's
a
it's.
It's
currently
a
garage,
but
it's
kind
of
a
glorified
shed
Dennis
did
mention
that
the
the
Sanborn
Maps
did
show
it
in
a
different
location.
K
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
moved
at
some
point
or
when
it
was
construction,
but
it
is
a
a
contributing
structure.
I'm
just
kind
of
just
going
to
go
down
the
list.
You
know
for
the
the
demolition
requirements
here,
so
the
homeowners
would
like
to
use
would
like
to
have
enjoy
the
use
of
a
two-story
accessory
structure.
It's
similar
to
the
majority
of
their
neighbors
in
Hyde
Park.
The
existing
structure
is
smaller
and
significantly
shorter
than
a
standard
garage
and
has
a
garage
door.
K
That's
too
low
for
anything
taller
than
a
small
vehicle.
An
addition
isn't
feasible
due
to
the
location
of
the
garage
on
the
lot.
Variants
will
be
necessary
to
add
on
to
the
garage
as
it's
2.3
feet
off
the
rear
of
the
South
property
line,
and
if
the
variance
was
approved,
fire
code
separation
would
eliminate,
take
effect
and
eliminate
overhangs,
which
wouldn't
be
in
keeping
with
the
fabric
of
the
main
house.
Then
we
look
at
a
place
in
Hyde
Park,
as
it
relates
to
the
height
of
the
garage
door
and
the
garage
ceiling
itself.
K
The
existing
door
has
a
clear
height
of
77
inches
when
it's
open,
which
a
small
SUV
wouldn't
even
fit
plate
height
of
the
structure
is
short,
so
there's
low
ceiling
height
in
there
as
well.
This
is
a
photo
of
the
existing
structure,
the
homeowners
when
they
moved
in
and
did
some
work
on
the
main
house.
K
They
had
to
actually
Shore
up
a
portion
of
the
structure
because
it
was
falling
down
and
they
did
put
a
new
garage
door
in
and
they
also
cap
the
slab
just
so
that
they
could
use
it
for
storage,
but
the
existing
structure,
even
as
it
is
floods,
the
properties
graded
towards
the
side
street
and
the
garage
is
actually
in
the
way.
K
The
there's
I
got
some
photos
here.
This
kind
of
shows,
you
kind
of
see
you
can
kind
of
see
the
shininess
on
here.
That's
actually
water,
that
was
in
the
garage.
K
The
original
slab
of
the
structure,
like
I
said,
was
capped.
We
actually
the
engineer
and
I
visited
the
property
the
other
day
and
actually
were
able
to
dig
on
the
exterior
of
the
property
and
noted
that
there
was
actually
a
4x4
wood
foundation
with
the
concrete
on
top
of
it
and
then
studs
from
there.
So
there's
actually
no
Foundation
on
the
exterior
walls,
which
obviously
wouldn't
support
a
a
second
floor.
K
The
cap
was
poured
around
the
studs,
which
you
know
is
not
a
great
design,
considering
it's
still
prone
to
water
intrusion.
It's
going
to
rot
they're
in
need
of
the
homeowners
are
in
need
of
more
space
for
their
family.
They
work
from
home
and
would
want
to
add
a
second
floor
to
be
able
to
have
an
office.
K
K
Existing
wood-
and
this
is
showing
obviously
some
dilapidated
siding
and
that
the
that
the
bottom
floor,
the
first
floor
of
the
garage,
is
actually
on
Greed.
K
And
then
I've
got
the
engineers
letter
here,
stating
that
you
determined
that
the
existing
foundation
and
framing
is
insufficient
to
support
the
second
floor.
Wood
studs
extend
below
grade
in
a
space
at
24
inches
on
Center
Foundation
is
constructed
of
wood
material
require
replacement
to
support
a
second
floor.
K
K
And
then
get
into
the
section
116,
so
the
burden
of
proof,
the
only
alternative
to
demolition
as
it
relates
to
this
request,
would
be
to
not
demo
the
building,
which
would
result
in
a
significant
economic
hardship
to
make
the
building
usable
as
a
garage
and
structurally
sound
to
be
able
to
support
a
second
floor.
It
cannot
be
retained
on
site.
Has
lots
in
this
neighborhood
can
only
have
one
accessory
structure.
K
So
if
we
built
another
accessory
structure,
obviously
we
can't
do
that
moving
the
building
obviously
isn't
feasible,
as
it's
got
concrete
slab
and
then
a
wood
foundation
under
it.
If
demos
approved
the
existing
building
will
be
removed
and
a
new
structure
will
be
built
as
soon
as
the
city
approves.
The
permits
to
do
so
and
construction
is
expected
to
be
completed
within
six
months.
Excuse
me,
our
positions
that
the
demolition
is
Justified
as
an
economic
hardship,
so
I've
got
in
the
analysis,
cost
to
remove
the
existing
structure.
K
It'd
be
the
structure
is
functionally
obsolete,
so
it
will
be
necessary
to
significantly
rehab
the
structure
in
order
to
make
it
usable
as
a
garage.
Then
I've
got
a
cost
analysis
on
there,
showing
the
cost
to
rehab
the
existing
building
and
then
to
demo.
The
building
and
build
new
construction
to
rehab
would
be
a
cost
of
approximately
fifty
six
thousand
nine
hundred
and
the
demo
to
build
it
and
reconstruct
it
to
the
current.
K
K
I
already
went
through
the
architectural
or
the
engineers
letter
on
there.
I
also
have
an
appraisal
from
the
realtor,
so
he's
basically
saying
value
of
the
the
prop
or
the
property
in
its
current
state
with
the
garage
is
a
million
386.,
and
if
the
structure
was
removed,
it's
the
same
value.
So
it's
not
really
adding
much
value
to
the
property.
And
then,
if
we
constructed
a
new
two-story
garage
and
a
guest
house
that
the
value
of
the
property
would
be
a
million
6.99,
so
you
can
see
the
added
value
there.
K
The
additional
items
that
are
on
section
16
I
think
right:
116,
current
owners
paid
560
for
the
property,
there's
no
prior
relationship
between
the
current
owner
and
previous
owner
properties,
not
income
producing
the
remaining
mortgage
balance
and
Debt
Service
is
unavailable.
There
have
been
no
appraisals
done
on
the
property
in
the
last
two
years,
other
than
what
was
done
by
the
realtor
market.
Value
of
the
current
property.
K
According
to
the
property
appraiser
site
is
866
446
and
was
674
or
320
330
in
2021
property,
appraiser
site
lists
the
current
value
of
the
garage
at
sixty
five
sixty
six
thousand
five
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
real
estate
taxes
paid
on
the
property,
Were
Ten
Thousand,
six,
fifty
two
and
in
2021
were
ten
thousand
five.
Twelve
property
is
privately
owned,
there's
no
proforma
available.
However,
the
information
provided
shows
that
an
investment
in
a
new
two-story
structure
would
result
in
a
substantial
return
relating
to
the
hardships.
K
The
hardship
is
unique
and
singular
to
the
subject
property.
The
existing
accessory
structure
was
built
over
100
years
ago
at
the
extreme
Southeast
corner
of
the
property
and
doesn't
conform
to
current
setbacks.
In
addition,
it
was
built
below
proper
grade
and
has
a
substandard
slab.
That's
cap
poured
in
a
weak
attempt
to
alleviate
the
issue.
Hardship
is
not
self-imposed
because
the
structure
was
constructed
prior
to
the
current
homeowner
purchasing.
K
The
property
result
of
the
hardship
will
not
interfere
with
others,
because
it's
an
eyesore
and
having
a
new
structure
in
its
place
that
matches
the
fabric
of
the
main
home
would
be
much
more
aesthetically
pleasing
the
hardship
is
in
harmony
with
the
purpose
of
the
city
of
Tampa
comprehensive
plan
to
allow
homeowners
to
utilize
their
property
for
their
own
enjoyment,
while
keeping
the
street
view
uniform
and
the
fabric
of
the
historic
district
intact
and
improving
the
demolition
of
the
structure,
the
homeowners
will
be
able
to
better
utilize
their
property
by
having
a
useful
garage
and
additional
space
for
their
family.
K
It'll
result
in
a
substantial
Justice
being
done
by
the
existing
accessory
structure
is
functionally
Obsolete
and
not
useful
in
any
way.
Other
than
storage
there's
numerous
examples
of
useful
accessory
structures
in
my
Park
so
to
require
the
homeowners
to
keep
the
existing
structure
as
depriving
them
of
something
that
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
is
able
to
enjoy.
K
K
It'll
allow
a
new
building,
that's
constructed
of
much
higher
quality
than
the
existing
structure.
That
could
be
there
for
another
100
years
and
the
new
structurally
built
to
the
same
design
standards
as
the
main
home
and
will
flow
really
nice
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
conclusion.
We
feel
that
the
narrative
supports
and
surpasses
all
the
requirements
listed
in
the
city
code
for
the
boy
to
approve
the
demolition.
K
I
I
asked
the
clerk
to
reserve
the
rest
of
the
time
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
review
if
it's
needed
for
the
portion
of
the
application
dealing
with
the
Demolition,
the
staff
did
determine
that
the
submission
was
consistent
with
the
requirements
of
submission
under
27
116
f
one
through
three
for
your
particular
emphasis
from
this
point
forward.
I
would
rely
on
page
three
of
your
staff
report,
where
it
talks
about
the
list.
I
The
demolition
criteria
in
the
code,
particularly
section
one
and
three
of
that
particular
page,
where
it
talks
about
the
burden
of
proof
and
the
economic
hardship.
Number
two
deals
with
relocations.
So
there's
that's
not
applicable
to
this
particular
request.
The
staff
did
determine
that
he
did
address
the
code
requirements.
This
is
a
finding
of
fact
of
the
board
if
he's
met
the
threshold
for
Demolition
and
he
is
claiming
economic
hardship,
so
he's
presented
information
into
the
record
to
that
fact
as
well,
I
would
go
ahead
and
discuss
it.
A
L
Steve
and
last
name
is
Parker
p-a-r-k-e-r.
We
live
at
831
Delaware,
but
we
also
own
1107
South
Fremont,
which
is
just
to
the
South.
So
the
pictures
you
saw
that
show
the
carport
that
carport
is
on
our
property,
1107
South
Fremont.
So
we
would
support
this
I'm
surprised
that
that
structure
hasn't
fallen
down,
it's
very
dilapidated
and
an
eyesore
so
from
the
public
we
would
support
tearing
Dunn.
A
C
I
You
know
there's
less
data
about
accessory
structures
than
historic
buildings,
so
you
know,
while
we,
while
we
can
project,
you
know
with
certainty
that
the
structure
was
built
in
1919,
obviously
in
1929,
that
structure,
either
had
been,
you
know,
was
in
a
different
place
or
a
different
structure.
So
when
this
was
inventoried
in
the
1980s
structure
was
there,
they
did
research
on
the
parcels,
probably
most
likely
through
property
records
and
determined
that
it
fell
within
the
period
of
historic
significance,
pre-war
era
and
was
included
as
a
contributing
structure
in
the
inventory.
C
C
I
That
that
you
know
that's
what
the
inventory
said,
so
you
know
this
commission
is
charged
with
looking
at
27
116.
This
is
not
an
evaluation
of
historic
classification.
Okay,
that's
in
place-
and
you
know
this
is
if
they
wanted
to
go
down
that
path,
to
challenge
that,
then
they
would
go
to
the
historic
preservation
commission,
but
they've
chosen
to
demonstrate
economic
hardship
under
this.
A
D
I
have
a
general
question
about
of
the
existing
structure.
We've
not
seen
any
information.
One
of
the
items
that
are
brought
up
in
the
documentation
is
how
small
it
is,
how
non-conforming
it
is
to
contemporary
use.
Do
you
have
any
information
as
to
what
is
the
current
with
depth
and
Headroom
for
this
structure.
K
K
K
A
E
E
E
K
The
we'd
have
we'd
have
to
create
some
kind
of
Swale
or
something
to
you
know,
maneuver
water
away
from
it,
which
would
be
a
pretty
significant
expense
because
we
had
to
put
we
had
to
probably
put
a
pump
in
in
order
to
drain
it
away
from
you
know,
to
the
to
the
rear
of
the
actual
garage
is
really
the
only
yard
space.
That's
back
there.
The
pool
deck
itself
is
is
probably
the
pool
itself
is
probably
about
six
feet.
K
I
want
to
say
six
or
seven
feet
away
from
the
structure
right
now
and
obviously
we're
graded
away
from
the
pool
towards
the
towards
the
garage.
But
it's
the
the
Lots,
it's
it's.
It's
pretty
low,
there's
not
really
any
way
of
raising
the
lowering
the
area
adjacent
to
the
garage
to
be
able
to
grade
it
away
without
creating
a
sump
situation.
So.
K
I
Well,
this
stormwater
staff
would
make
that
determination.
Normally,
when
there
is
an
alley
available,
the
the
drainage
is
towards
the
alley.
Okay,
you
have
kind
of
both
situations
here
today.
So
not
you
know.
If
it
were
to
go
new
construction,
they
may
they
may
alter
that.
But
I
know
that
on-site
retention
is
going
to
be
the
main
focus
and
then
any
any
excess
drainage
would
be
going
towards
the
rear
of
the
property
towards
the
alley.
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah.
K
Just
to
clarify
I
think
that
I've
been
through
a
couple
of
them
recently
and
they've,
been
stormwater
has
been
big
on
moving
the
water
to
the
prep
appropriate
locations,
but
they
have
allowed
you
to
do
to
run
stormwater
now
to
the
to
the
alley
as
well.
But
when
it
comes
up,
we've
addressed
that
you
know
through
permitting
Okay.
So
let
me
see
here
says
20
by
20
for
the
garage
on
the
property,
appraiser
site,
400
square
feet.
E
K
E
K
E
C
E
I
K
E
K
K
K
The
only
I
can
kind
of
it's
kind
of
all-
that's
all
kind
of
explained
in
the
in
that
in
that
paragraph
above
because,
in
order
to
let's
call
this
existing
structure,
so
the
it's
analysis
of
cost
to
rehab
the
existing
structure
and
add
a
second
story
and
expand
the
building
to
fit
a
vehicle
so
versus
demoing
and
building
the
new
structure,
I
believe
I've
got
the
additional
cost
for
siding
is
is
for
removal
and
rehab
and
the
same
thing
with
the
painting.
So
in
other
words,
we
try
to
remove
the
existing
siding
gently.
K
You
know,
keep
it
intact
strip,
it
repaint
it
put
it
back,
so
we're
trying
to
keep
it
I'm.
Comparing
you
know
the
look
of
a
new
building
versus
making
the
old
building
look
new
again.
So
that's
why
you're,
siding
and
painting
expenses
are
more
because
there's
more
work
involved
in
rehabbing
the
structure.
K
K
E
E
K
Yeah
so
part
of
again
on
this
estimated
cost
section
in
there
basically
we'd
be
Shoring
up
the
existing
trusses.
Essentially
that
are
there
removal
of
the
existing
studs
pouring
a
New
Foundation
in
order
to
support
this
additional
structure
and
then
reframing
everything
removing
Shoring.
So
that's
that's
the
only
way
to
do
it
would
be
to
I
mean
that's.
What
that's
kind
of
the
point
is
that
we'd
have
to
basically
essentially
take
it
apart
piece
by
piece
and
then
put
it
all
like
try
to
set
it
all
back.
K
K
No
I
mean
that's
that
wasn't
his
opinion.
I
mean
I'm,
just
I.
You
know
we
do
this
every
day,
so
this
is.
This
is
what
we
do.
I
do
Shoring
on
Old
homes,
all
the
time.
You
know
we
when
we're
dealing
with
the
main
homes
like
it's,
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
more
involved
in
extending
beams
to
fit
additions,
etc,
etc.
So
we're
familiar
with
the
aspect
of
it.
I
mean
you
know.
The
engineer
is
saying
that
there's
really!
No
there's
nothing!
That's
going!
K
E
K
K
2018.
remember.
K
K
M
K
Wasn't
there
was
an
existing
concrete
slab
that
was
there
that
was
poured
around
the
the
studs
are.
K
K
You
don't
have
it
with
the
exist:
I
may
have
it
on
email,
I
could
probably
I
can
see
if
I've
got
one
on
my
email.
Let
me
look
through
the
other
stuff
that
I
have.
Unfortunately,
we
took,
we
took
the
project
over
from
another
designer
who
had
been
working
on
a
project
and
I
didn't
get
all
of
their
info
and
they
had
all
the
they
had
all
the
original
stuff.
A
Do
we
have
anything?
No
so
I
I
think
the
question
was
asked
by
one
of
my
fellow
Commissioners
already,
but
the
wet
the
width
and
the
length
of
the
existing
accessory
structure.
Did
you
find
that.
K
A
So
for
staff,
I
noted
on
the
staff
report
that
there's
no
previous
action
listed,
if
indeed
the
applicant
had
changed
the
garage
doors.
Would
that
not
have
come
before
staff
as
a
because
it
is
a
contributing
structure
or
yeah
contributing
structure
within
the
district.
I
I
K
A
Of
it,
if
it's,
if
it's
a
if
it's
a
portion
that
deals
with
the
structure
in
in
my
position,
I
would
consider
that
more
of
the
structure
than
an
aesthetic
thing
right.
It
would
be
my
understanding
that
staff
would
review
that
at
the
least
when
it's
the
contributing
structure.
Is
that
correct?
Sorry,.
I
A
Right
well,
the
difficulty
here
is
whether
or
not
there
there
truly
was
a
wood
frame
that
this
was
sitting
on
is
the
difficult
component.
Are
there
exterior
photos
that
show
that,
better
than
what
are
in
this.
K
K
K
Installed,
obviously
correct
yeah
I
will
tell
you
that,
unfortunately,
when
I
was
with
the
engineer
that
was
out,
there,
I
got
a
phone
call.
We
dug
up
the
foundation,
he
saw
the
wood,
he
took
a
picture
of
it
for
his
report
by
the
time
I
got
back
there.
It
was
covered.
I
did
text
him
earlier
today
to
ask
for
a
photo
of
that
wood
foundation
and
I
did
not
get
it.
I
could
probably
try
to
and.
A
You
don't
have
a
copy
of
that
report
that
was
going
to
be
another
question
of
mine
is
I,
did
note
in
the
written
component
of
the
demolition
component
of
part
of
the
application
that
the
engineering
letter
would
be
submitted
prior
to
the
hearing,
but
I
didn't
see
anything
about.
A
I
have
no
other
questions.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
or
staff
at
this
time.
A
K
K
K
D
D
This
dwelling,
this
property,
is
of
a
vintage
and
supposedly
the
accessory
structure
is
of
a
similar
vintage.
Although
its
date,
it's
not.
G
D
But
in
its
time,
it's
not
unusual
to
find
an
accessory
utility
structure
to
literally
be
built
frame
on
a
Timber
foundation
on
grade
even
to
the
point
where
it
might
have
a
dirt
floor,
or
even
a
board
floor
for
that
matter.
D
I
had
to
have
a
a
for
a
formal
Foundation
system,
for
some
of
these
is
not
to
be
unexpected,
so
fast
forward,
120
years
you're
dealing
with
a
general
situation,
that's
ultimately
not
kind
to
the
longevity
of
the
structure
and
I
think
that's
precisely
what
we're
looking
at
here,
I,
don't
think
we're
looking
at
a
particular
situation
where
we're
looking
we're
dealing
with
some
manner,
benign
neglect
of
a
structure.
D
What
we
are
dealing
with
here
is
I
believe
a
certain
degree
of
obsolescence,
so
the
question
being
at
that
point
is
how
much
do
you
want
to
take
this,
take
a
take
a
part
on
this
building
to
reconstruct
in
a
fashion
that
makes
it
more
utilitarian,
gives
it
a
larger
lifespan
or
to
the
to
the
flip
side
of
that
coin.
At
what
point
do
you
start
over.
B
I'd
add
to
the
discussion
a
little
bit.
It
seems
to
me
that
that
perhaps
the
garage
or
accessory
structure,
even
if
it
wasn't
functioning
as
a
garage
if
it
was
functioning
as
just
a
storage
shed,
may
have
been
in
a
better
condition
prior
to
this
owner
buying
it.
And
it
appears
that
the
construction
of
the
pool
and
the
pool
deck
is
at
an
elevation
and
a
grade
that
exacerbated
drainage
to
this
accessory
structure
and
perhaps
contributes
to
the
flooding
of
the
accessory
structure.
B
Because
that
pool
deck
is
elevated
and
obviously
is
not,
is
likely
pervious.
So
everything
sheds
towards
that
instead
of
instead
of
percolating
towards
the
garage
instead
of
percolating.
So
I'm.
Just
looking
at
this
as
from
a
discussion
point,
is
that
a
contributing
factor
to
the
deterioration
of
the.
B
B
Even
Nubian
news
in
in
you
know
not
intentional,
not.
D
Intentional,
you
know,
and
you
have
the
whole
site
drainage
going
into
that
back
corner.
To
begin
with,
citing
a
a
root
structure
on
grade
of
any
flavor
is
that's
that
structure
in
this
particular
location?
It's
relocation,
Point
or
construction
at
this
corner
is
a
point
really
not
known
at
this
time.
What
we
do
have
is
the
physical
evidence
of
it
being
there,
and
you
can
just
see
it
on
the
wood
siding
in
itself,
I
mean
there's
so
much
moisture
in
it.
It
can't
hold
paint
anymore,
that's
the
general
nature
of
it
all.
D
Even
if
you
went
through
some
extraordinary
water
diversion
technique
at
the
grade
level,
so
we
can
move
water
around
the
structure.
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
really
sufficient
because
we're
still
dealing
with
the
wetting
of
the
ground,
the
moisture
waking
up
and,
of
course,
it's
in
contact
through
all
this
wood
and
I'm
wondering
actually,
if
the
the
concrete
on
grade
and
its
cap
is
actually
adding
to
that
situation
as
well
too,
because
now
you
have
this
cap
that
ground
is
not
able
to
dry
out
as
much
as
it
used
to.
B
You
know
I
know
we
all
we
all
do
not
enjoy
contemplating
demolition
of
contributing
structure,
even
even
such
a
small.
You
know
accessory
structure
such
as
this.
A
A
Things
regarding
that
I
mean
one
the
the
statement
of
unintended
consequences.
This
is
the
issue
when
people
owners
go
about
making
changes
to
things
and
maybe-
or
maybe
it's
not
reviewed,
because
they
don't
know
that
they
need
to
do
that
and
it's
not
caught,
and
so
they
go
and
they
do
it
and
they're
working
with
a
designer
and
or
contractor.
That
may
not
understand
that
they're
in
a
district
and
they
go
about.
They
do
their
work,
and
maybe
they
don't
have.
A
Unintended
consequences,
cause
structures
that
otherwise
might
perpetuate
for
just
a
bit
longer
in
time
to
see
their
demise,
that
much
quicker
so
and
and
the
the
point
that
we
hate
to
see
accessory
structures,
any
contributing
structures,
but
especially
accessory
structures
within
a
district.
That's
the
only
District
that
we
have
contributing
structures
that
are
accessory
structures,
and
you
know
one
of
the
criteria
is
that
it
wasn't
self-imposed.
A
A
Contributing
and
not
that
there
was
any
intent
to
do
harm,
but
the
the
unforeseen
consequences
may
or
may
not
have
caused
these
issues
that
we
see
in
this
garage
I
do
also
want
to
say
this
is
not
the
worst
garage
that
I've
seen
in
this
in
any
of
our
districts,
that
we've
had
Rehabilitation
done
and
had
additions.
A
A
E
You
know
the
slab
itself
at
some
point.
It
was
poured.
You
know
we
kind
of
went
through
the
dates
with
us.
You
know,
should
there
have
been
something
on
record
because
should
there
have
been
some
primitive
record?
Yes,
because
it
is
structural
in
a
sense
had
some
of
these
items
going
through
proper
review.
We
may
not
be
having
some
of
these
conversations
about
grading
and
water
intrusion
and
different
things,
but
that's
not
where
we're
at
we're
at
a
different
point,
because
for
whatever
reason
something
wasn't
ran
through
the
system
as
it
should
have
been.
E
B
B
It
and
fill
it
and
then
put
another
structure.
Even
build
a
second
floor
on
top
of
it,
and
that
was
the
are
they
are
they
punitive
or
prohibitive?.
E
C
I
feel
that
in
as
we're
working
in
a
historic
district,
we're
trying
to
pursue
we're
trying
to
preserve
the
architectural
aspects
of
it
and
the
urban
Fabric,
in
other
words,
in
other
words
the
architecture
of
individual
buildings,
individual
pieces,
because
there
was
because
we
recognize
the
quality
and
the
urban
fabric,
because
we
recognize
that
the
Ambiance
of
the
neighborhood,
which
is
rests
on
the
way
that
these
buildings
relate
to
each
other.
C
And
in
this
particular
case,
this
contributing
building
has
is
not
be,
is
not
contributing
because
of
its
architecture.
I
feel
is
contributing
because
of
its
place
in
the
urban
fabric,
and
given
that,
whatever
is
that,
there
is
a
desire
on
the
part
of
the
owner
to
replace
it
with
a
near
equal
piece
of
fabric.
Urban
fabric.
C
C
You
know
when
you
think
about
reframing
the
first
floor
and
you
have
to
tear
out
the
entire.
You
know
you
have
to
put
in
some
kind
of
foundation,
I
trust
that
the
engineer
you
know
the
engineer
has
has
said
that
there
is
a
four
by
four
under
there.
Someplace
and
well.
I.
Think
that
that's
a
because
that's
frequently
what
happens
and
B
the
guy
has,
you
know,
sealed
it
and
said:
yes,
that's!
C
What's
there
I'm
willing
to
trust
that
I
feel
that
this
is
that
this
is
a
very
reasonable
request,
and
certainly
just
without
looking
at
the
individual
numbers,
but
looking
at
the
the
effort
required
to
rehab
this
building
versus
getting
a
a
new
building,
which
fits
which
because
of
our
regulations,
will
fit
we'll
really
replace
a
piece
of
the
fabric
right,
I
think
it's
as
I
said,
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
request.
D
D
We
are
dealing
with
a
fairly
good
size,
but
still
an
accessory
utilitarian
structure
and
we're
equivalent
about
the
manner
of
effort
and
the
manner
of
how
things
could
be
done
in
one
way
or
another
and
I'm
struck
by
you
know,
I'll
point:
if
we
were
talking
about
primary
structure,
primary
contributing
structure
that
needs
work
and
love
and
care
and
reconstruction,
would
we
be
discussing
this?
The
renovation
needs
in
the
same
manner?
D
Personally,
myself,
I
would
say
you
know
from
my
point
of
view.
That
answer
would
be
no,
you
know
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
what
reconstructive
effort
would
be
and
I
think
that
this
this
accessory
structure
that
we're
looking
at
tonight
needs
that
same
perspective.
G
E
E
So
that's
when
I
start
really
visually
in
my
mind,
trying
to
tear
this
apart
and
go.
What
did
this
building
look
like
when
it
was
built?
Originally,
what
was
there
for
doors
or
not
there,
for
doors.
E
H
E
B
Guess
I
I
agree,
I
think
you
know
is:
is
it
even
a
hardship
that
the
owner
can't
have
a
two-story
accessory
structure?
Is
that
part
of
the
hardship?
Because
it
seems
that's
that's
the
argument
that's
been
made
is
that
oh,
we
don't
have
a
two-story
structure
and
that's
and
we're
we're.
We
deserve
to
have
one
or
we
should
have.
B
Our
house
only
has
this
historic
one-story
structure
that
to
me
that
doesn't
factor
into
being
a
hardship
well
because
they
bought
the
building.
They
bought
the
house
with
the
one
story
structure
there
and
the
other
thing
that
I
think
is
is
considerable.
Is
it
the.
B
Yeah,
that's
part
of
the
hardship
criteria.
Is
that
the
cost
of
building
a
second
story?
You
know,
as
opposed
to
building
a
new,
two-story
and
I,
don't
think.
That's
that's
a
legitimate
hardship,
because
they're
not
owed
a
two-story
accessory
structure
they're
out
of
that
they
thought
they
bought
a
functional
one
story,
and
but
we
think
it
can
be
made
functional
in
its
current
state
and.
A
B
Or
no,
but
I
mean
part
of
the
hardship.
Was
you
couldn't?
You
can't
put
a
two-story
Second
Story
on
this,
because
it's
beyond
setbacks
already
and
it
the
second
story
would
not
be
allowed
to
be
built
or,
in
addition
to
it,
wouldn't
be
built
where
it
is.
Nothing
else
can
be
done
to
this
structure
where
it
is
because
of
where
it
is.
All
that
can
be
done
is
either
restore
it
and
keep
it
as
is
or
tear
death.
Those
are
the
those
are
the
two
You're
Gonna
Move
It.
C
B
D
I
You
know
in
listening
to
the
conversation.
I
did
hear
that
there
was
sort
of
a
desire
for
more
information
on
Alternatives.
So,
if
that,
if
that
is
a
desire
that,
if
you
show
that
you
want
more
information
to
ensure
that
all
the
Alternatives
have
been
considered,
you
can
request
that
of
the
applicant
and
have
the
case
continued
at
his
approval.
That's
up
to
the
applicant,
but
I
did
want
to
put
that
out
there
based
on
some
of
the
conversation.
I
was
hearing.
I
K
That
that
was
a
possibility
and
it
wasn't
sure
if
I
was
looking
store,
so
yeah
I
mean
I
mean
it
sounds
like
there's
some
additional
information,
that's
needed
and
I
feel
like
we
probably
need
you
know.
If,
if
nothing
else,
they
I'm
sure
that
they've
got
some
photos
of
the
property
when
they
purchased
it
to
see
what
it
looks
like
and
I'd.
Also
I.
K
You
know
I'm
I'm,
unfortunately
blindsided
by
the
fact
that
if
they
didn't
permit
a
garage
door
and
or
capping
this
and
or
whatever
you
know,
I
wanna
I
need
to
research
that
myself
and
see
if
that
was
actually
the
case
in
relation
to
the
discussion
about
the
pool.
Obviously
the
pool
wouldn't
have
been
permitted
that
would
have
gone
through
a
storm
water
review
situation
as
well,
where
the
pool
wasn't
creating
an
additional
situation.
I'm.
Sorry,
so.
I
H
I
Problem,
if
if,
if
that's
the
case,
then
our
first
opportunity,
I'm,
not
sure
about
your
availability,
would
be
May
3rd.
We
have
room
on
that
agenda.
Is
that
acceptable,
please?
Okay,
so
that
would
be
Wednesday
May
the
3rd
2023
at
5,
30
pm.
B
Yeah
I
moved
to
Granite
continuance
in
the
case
of
Arc
23122,
located
at
1802
West
Jetton
Ave
to
the
May
3rd
public
hearing
at
5,
30
pm.
A
I
I
I
I
I
See
the
venting
and
the
overhang
with
the
brackets.
I
I
Moving
down
Swan
I
wanted
to
show
sort
of
the
rhythm
of
curb
cuts
and
driveways
along
this
portion
of
Willow.
So
this
is
a
swan
moving
North
on
the
east
side,
moving
beyond
the
property,
the
front
Swan
you
have.
This
curb
cut
for
parking,
continue
moving
toward
the
north.
It's
another
cut
here
for
the
alleyway
that
runs
east
and
west
moving
down
the
block.
I
I
M
So
here's
the
schematic
drawings
of
our
our
plan
for
the
carriage
house.
This
is
a
side
plan
main
house.
This
deck
is
actually
existing.
M
This
one
is
not
because
we
had
that
structure
that
we
demoed
a
couple
weeks
ago.
It
was
destroyed
by
we
had
a
tree
right
about
here,
and
it
fell
back
in
2021,
so
after
the
battle
with
our
insurance.
Finally,
we
you
know
we
got
the
permit.
We
demoed
a
couple
weeks
ago.
The
the
structure
was
not
secure,
it
was
like
tilted,
so
finally,
it's
now
clear
and
now
the
property
just
to
share
this.
This
is
how
it
looks
right
now
when
that
structure
after
the
structure
got
demoed.
M
So
that's
that
structure
was
actually
here
in
front
of
that
French
doors
to
the
left.
M
Okay,
moving
forward,
so
we'd
like
to
request
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
construction
of
our
Carriage
House,
which
is
located
here.
M
M
This
is
the
west
elevation.
This
is
going
to
be
the
view
from
the
deck
that's
going
to
be
shared,
it's
going
to
be
in
between
the
main
house
and
the
carriage
house,
so
this
is
going
to
be
a
French
door
with
side
lights,
to
make
it
like,
look
a
little
wider
and
make
it
look
like
a
garage
door.
So
you
know
it's
a
carriage
house
so,
and
this
will
line
up
with
this-
will
line
up
with
our
driveway
that
we
are
yeah.
M
You've
seen
the
photos
earlier
right,
I
added,
more
pictures,
I
got
some
pictures
of
this
is
like
these
are
windows
from
the
front
from
the
front
porch.
So
we
plan
to
to
have
the
same
Style,
but
we're
going
to
use
the
aluminum,
clad,
aluminum,
clad
windows
and
I
brought
a
sample
here
with
me.
M
East
Elevation
is
backing
up
the
alley.
This
is
actually
going
to
be
it's
drawn
differently,
but
it's
gonna
I
want
to
copy
the
I
want
to
mimic
the
the
bathroom
window
that
we
have
on
the
main
house.
So
it's
going
to
look
like
a
mini
version
of
what
I
showed
you
earlier.
So
this
is.
This
is
the
the
bathroom
window
from
the
main
house,
so
we're
gonna
make
it
exactly
like
that
and
approximately
about
the
same
size
as
well
over
here
at
the
North
elevation,
I
added,
more
windows.
M
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
scale
of
the
windows
is
going
to
be
about
the
same
as
how
we
have
it
on
the
main
house.
There
are
about
36,
approximately
36
inches
wide,
which
is
what
we
have
in
the
main
house
and
I'm
going
to
have
several
of
them
in
each
room,
or
at
least
in
this
case.
It's
only
on
the
guest
house,
because
the
first
floor
is
going
to
be
yeah.
M
As
you
can
see
the
brackets?
We
would
like
to
replicate
what
we
have
in
the
main
house,
so
the
detail
that
we
have
that
we
that
we
have
that
we
showed
earlier
we're
going
to
do
exactly
the
same
thing.
We're
gonna
the
roof
will
be
shingles
just
like
what
we
have
on
the
main
house.
M
G
M
And
then
just
like
what
was
mentioned
earlier
in
the
beginning
that
we
are
requesting
to
to
put
like
a
driveway
from
here-
and
this
is
going
to
be
like
I-
think
parking
pad,
because
I
think
by
code,
we
need
to
have
like
two
parking
spots
like
parking
spots
for
two
cars,
so
we
intend
to
put
it
here
on
this
side.
M
We
will
probably
redo
the
deck
after
we
build
a
new
structure,
so
everything
will
marry
well
and
because
I
don't
like
different
levels
too,
so
we'll
probably
have
to
redo
it,
modify
it
a
little
bit.
I
I
We
did
perhaps
need
a
little
more
detail,
some
of
which
could
be
delegated
to
staff
such
as
the
scoring
on
on
the
the
driveway
and
on
the
ribbons
we'd
want
that
to
be
historically
scored.
A
pretty
typical
comment
from
us
would
like
to
kind
of
have
the
applicant
put
the
site
plan
up
and
show
where
the
air
conditioned.
Compressors
are
going
to
be
for
both
the
principal
structure
and
the
accessory
structure.
I
believe
there
might
we
currently
be
located
in
the
area
of
the
driveway.
I
She
did
mention
that
the
decking,
maybe
remodeled
at
some
point
we
would
handle
that.
Subsequently,
she
talked
about
the
fencing
we
did
mention
those
window
proportions.
She
did
talk
about
the
one
window.
The
windows
that
face
the
street
I
think
are
more
historically
accurate.
Some
of
the
other
ones
are
a
little
smaller
in
proportion,
but
take
into
account
their
their
location.
I
We
heard
about
the
brackets
and
the
railing,
but
I
didn't
see
any
details
on
those.
So
those
are
always
sort
of
the
details
that
we
we
like
to
have.
If
this
is
approved,
it
will
be
subject
to
the
approval
of
design
exception,
one
to
raise
the
height
to
22
and
a
22
feet
six
inches,
and
although
she
did
call
out
the
materials,
I
didn't
see
a
wall
section
so
that
usually
helps
us
with
installation
details
a
little
bit
as
well
I'm
available
available
for
any
questions.
Thank.
A
J
I'm
James
Smith
j-a-m-e-s
s-m-I-t-h
I'm
at
609,
South
Willow,
which
is
across
the
street
from
trainer
and
Rick.
We
love
their
project.
We
think
it
would
really
add
to
the
beauty
of
the
street
and
then
we're
excited
about
the
driveway
concept.
The
addition,
because
our
driveways
across
the
street
from
there
and
Willow
traffic
down
by
the
church
is
horrible
traffic
parking.
It
would
be
a
nice
addition
to
have
that
to
facilitate
the,
but
we
think
it's
a
great
project.
Thank
you.
A
E
M
E
Yeah
so
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
question
trying
to
figure
out
here.
Part
of
this
draw
and
it
looks
like
you've,
actually
got
what
I
would
call
a
band
board
there
at
the
bottom,
but
I'm
assuming
that's
not
going
to
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
grade
level,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
you're
doing
there
to
transition
from
Gray
to
whatever
siding
you're
using.
H
E
M
I'm
trying
I
don't
think
it's
elevated
yeah,
it's
going
to
be
lower
than
our
main
house.
That's
why
I
had
to
mention
that
the
deck
probably
needs
to
I
have
to
modify
it
needs
to
get
lower
because
the
my
French
doors
are
going
to
be
out
swing,
so
my
my
doors
will
not
function
right
if
I
have
the
deck
butting
up
to
it.
So
I
have
to
like
lower
the
deck
and
have
a
step
up
to
reach
the
main
house.
E
If
you'll
shoot
or
scoot
this
over
just
a
little
bit
go
back
to
the
window.
Detail
in
this
and
just
try
to
I
want
to
see
the
depth.
It
looks
like
it's
done
correctly,
but.
A
E
So
it
looks
like
it's
like
it
should
be
and
I
see
the
sample
and
it's
actually
a
really
nice
looking
window
so
I'm
going
to
leave
some
of
the
others
to
these
guys,
because
I
know
that
there's
some
coming
pertaining
to
items
they
always
ask
about
so.
D
M
I
think
what
my
architect
wrote
down
here.
Can
you
read
that
I
can't
I
think
it's
four
inch?
D
D
D
Dwelling
structures,
and
what
is
important
is
that
that
there
is
a
differentiation
between
what
is
the
new
structure.
What
is
the
accessory
structure
versus
what
is
the
original
main
structure
on
the
property
and
that
change
in
height
of
the
lap.
G
G
D
G
D
L
G
D
I
think
that'd
be
something
worth
taking
a
very
close
look
at
understand
your
point.
What
you're
doing
with
your
foundation
is
subject
to
change?
It's
probably
going
to
be
lower.
It's
probably
going
to
be
finished
or
built
into
somewhat
of
a
different
manner
that
will
have
to
be
coordinated
in
some
manner
which
staff
I
would
think
what.
D
Would
be
your
choice?
I
could
see
easily
18
inches
18.
D
Inches
something
in
that
range,
okay,
but
I,
would
look
at
I.
Would
have
you
and
your
architect
take
a
look
at
that
in
terms
of
how
it
proportions
with
it,
how
the
shadow
lines
fall
on
your
building,
because
you
know
obviously
a
deep
overhang
has
a
deep
Shadow
too.
You
could
make
it
so
shallow
that
there
isn't
a
shadow
line.
G
G
D
C
There's
there's
a
lot
to
have
you
set
the
finished
floor
level
because
that
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
carriage
house,
but
it's
going
to
be
occupiable
space,
so
it
can't
be
on
grade.
You
want
to
raise
it
up
a
little
bit.
Okay,.
G
C
And
it
may
be
in
your
neighborhood
I'm,
not
I'm,
really
not
familiar
with
what
your
what
the
required
elevation
would
be,
but
that
will
determine
also.
You
said
you
have
to
deal
with
your
deck.
Yes,
and
so
you
know
that
you
have
some
work
to
do
there
and
it
could
be
that
your
stem
wall,
the
area
of
the
before
you're
you
know
below,
where.
C
M
I
was
I
thought
the
maximum
height
that
we
need
to
get
that
we
need
to
to
do
is
like
22
feet
and
six
inches
for
for
a
structure
like
this.
C
M
C
G
C
G
A
Willow
generally,
where
they
are
doesn't
flood
as
bad
as
some
other
areas
and
stuff.
But
again
you
would
have
to
work
with
your
architect
to
understand
what
the
implications
are.
If
you
do
raise
your
your
finished
floor,
elevation
right
right.
If
you
adjust
your
floor
elevation
in
such
a
way
that
you
to
accommodate
your
needs
one's
desires,
that
sort
of
thing
it
is
always
something
that
you
need
to
review
with
your
designer
whoever's
signing
off
on
your
on
your
design.
Okay,
okay,.
M
M
H
H
C
C
H
Is
but
we
park
in
the
street,
but
then
we
also
talked
in
that
empty
space
like
by
the
screen.
Porch.
G
B
B
I'm
looking
at
the
the
rafters
and
how
they're
treated
at
the
ends
of
the
rafters
and
how
you're
doing
the
Carriage
House
Raptor
ends.
Okay,.
B
B
B
So
they
do
have
a
fascia
board
they're
exposed
rafters.
They
have
a
fascia
board.
Okay,
that's
what
I
was
looking
at
to
see.
Okay
and
that's
the
same
detail
that
was
proposed
on
the
on
the
wall,
section
that
I
did
see
that
you
guys
had
okay,
that
was
one
of
my
main
questions
and
Dennis
brought
this
up
also,
but
the
proportions
of
the
other
smaller
Windows,
the
two
that
are
facing
the
street
basically
are
the
right
kind
of
height
versus
width
and
the
other
ones
are
just
kind
of
dumpy
short.
B
M
B
B
B
B
B
The
bathroom
window
wanting
to
be
you
know
a
smaller
little
baby
thing
and
and
I
get
that,
but
you
see
how
the
the
two
windows
that
face
the
street
are
basically
twice
as
tall
as
they
are
wide
in
that
relationship,
they're,
they're,
skinnier
and
and
the
the
other
ones
just
look
like
squat
little
nothings,
and
that
I
just
would
rather
see
those
be
narrower
windows
and
a
little
longer
would
you
I.
I
know
that
was
one
of
staff's
con
comments,
also
and
and
I'm
finding
them
to
be
a
little
bit.
B
M
B
M
G
D
F
B
G
A
Okay,
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
AC
unit?
That's
in
the
lower
right
yep,
so
that
I
would
assume
is
for
both
the
first
and
second
floor.
G
G
M
A
Good
and
then
just
scooch
it
up
just
a
tad.
Thank
you.
So
the
AC
for
the
primary
structure
and
I
kind
of
noted
this
before
I
realized
that
it
was
on
the
staff
report.
You
see
where
your
AC
unit
is
for
your
primary
structure.
Yes,
and
then
you
see
where
your
new
parking
pad
is
going
and
your
strip.
Yes,
there
does
appear
to
be
a
conflict
there.
Do
you
have
images
of
that
side
of
the
house
with
your
AC
unit?
In
view
with
you?
No.
M
A
I'm
pretty
sure
at
this
point
right
so
and
we
know
what
stickler's
transportation
is,
and,
yes,
we
do
insist
on
the
parking
pad
to
be
behind
the
primary
facade
of
the
primary
structure,
so
it
doesn't
look
like
you
have
much
wiggle
room
based
on
what
I'm
seeing
in
the
drawing
here.
So
that
is
one
comment
in
terms
of
the
in
terms
of
the
backyard
deck
situation.
A
I
just
want
to
clarify
at
this
time.
You
are
not
asking
for
to
incorporate
the
addition
of
the
deck
in
your
permit,
for
what
you're
about
to
move
forward
with
should
we
approve
it
tonight?
Is
that
correct.
A
M
F
It's
okay,
Madam,
chair,
yes
I!
Might
the
deck
is,
is
not
a
part
of
the
advertised
review
for
this
evening?
No.
A
I'm,
sorry
yeah:
do
you
have
any
information
on
the
doors
that
you're
installing
both
at
the
second
floor
and
at
the
first
floor.
M
M
So
we're
I'm
going
to
use
aluminum
clad,
we'll
need
to
yeah
I'm.
Sorry.
M
We're
going
to
use
Windsor
those.
A
A
A
Can
you
pull
that
back
away
from
the
elevations,
because
I
didn't
think
the
elevation
showed
that
just
move
it
off
the
elevations
for
a
sec,
the
cut
sheet,
your
your
elevations
are
up?
Can
you
just
move
that
cut
sheet
off
okay,
yeah,
so
they're
different,
yes,
which
one
do
you
intend.
G
G
A
What
we
would
typically
Envision
with
that,
so
it's
just
more
in
keeping
with
the
historic
okay
nature
of.
M
A
M
A
A
Let
me
make
sure
that
we
got
everything,
so
we
got,
can
we
go
back
to
the
site
plan
and
then
can
you
show
us
where
all
the
fence
is
going
that
you
were
installing
as
part
of
this
project.
A
A
M
Actually
extends
all
the
way
up
to
here:
okay,
but
now
it's
actually
demoed.
This
is
I
also
have
fencing
all
the
way
up
to
here.
Okay,.
A
A
L
A
L
G
M
M
Because
it's
going
to
be
36
feet
by
nine
feet
right,
so
it's
probably
gonna
be
because
I
think
yeah,
my
art
I
didn't
see
this
I
just
caught
it
now.
My
architect
made
it
like
far
back
so
actually
I
could
probably
bring
it
back
like
another
I,
don't
know,
maybe
four
feet
going
this
way
and
then
we'll
probably
put
the
fence
here.
A
So
when
you
have
an
AC
unit,
it
has
to
be
screened,
it
has
to
either
be
behind
a
fence
or
Landscaping.
So
if
you
do
put
the
fence
behind
it,
you'll
need
to
think
about
screening
the
AC
unit,
barring
it
being
relocated
because
it
conflicts
with
your
parking
right.
G
A
M
M
G
A
E
Looking
at
the
conflict,
I
really
only
see
one
viable
option
if
they
do
have
to
move
it
and
it's
the
other
side
of
the
house
potentially
do
they
have
to
come.
Is
that
something
they
can
be
approved
as
far
as
the
screening
and
all
at
the
staff
level,
or
is
that
something
that
they
would
have
to.
I
E
A
B
A
B
A
A
B
B
Here
they'll
be
here
right,
yeah,
I,
agree,
no
I
mean
I,
think
I,
think
you
know
the
the
ribbons
and
adding
adding
ribbons
back
to
our
house.
It
didn't
have
ribbons
I
think
is,
is
great,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
nice
character
as
you're
going
down
the
street
to
see
those
little
concrete
ribbons
alongside
the
house
I
like
that
the
AC
units
problem,
the
elevation
of
the
building
itself
is
still
in
question.
What
how
high
above
grade
is
the
first
floor
of
that
building?
D
B
D
I
think
if
they
actually
had
a
real
firm
at
Nature's
ideas
where
that
is
in
terms
of
an
elevation
we'd,
be
also
seeing
a
deck.
Is
this
part
a
part
of
this
proposal
as
well
too,
because
that's
going
to
be
a
good
talking
Factor,
you
know
it's
like
how
many
steps
from
grade
or
from
the
house
to
the
deck
to
the
deck
to
the
lower
deck
and
the
list
goes
on
and
on.
Okay,.
B
Otherwise,
I
think
yeah
I
don't
have
any
concerns
really
approved.
You.
H
D
There's
I.
A
E
I'm
going
to
ask
this
just
because
I
really
thought
there
would
be
a
for
questions
revolving
the
windows.
I
heard
your
questions
that
the
front
elevation
to
me
is
very
attractive.
Yeah.
E
For
an
accessory
structure
right
yeah,
the
the
front
door
is
very
inviting
to
me
yeah
now
the
rest
of
the
house.
The
the
windows
themselves
look
a
little
out
of
perspective
out
of
kilter
to
me
as
far
as
just
from
a
design
perspective,
but
staying
in
my
Lane
as
a
contractor
here
and
not
as
a
designer.
So
if
you
guys
didn't
have
any
concerns
with
that.
A
D
E
B
A
B
C
It
would
have
to
have
something
to
do
with
the
original
building.
No.
B
B
C
This
time
before,
before
we
get
to
to
the
to
the
motion,
I
have
a
problem
with
the
fact
that
they're
adding
a
curb
cut
because
I
feel
that
the
curb
cuts
that
have
been
added
since
that
were
added,
say
from
you
know,
from
1933
until
80,
whatever
it
was
when
it
when
this
happened
have
have
been
to
the
detriment
of
the
urban
fabric
of
the
district,
and
so
I
think
that
we
should
consider
that
now
it's
really
unfortunate
that
they
don't
have
parking
places.
C
A
In
in
many
of
our
historic
neighborhoods,
whether
or
not
they're
in
a
district
or
not,
you
have
both.
You
have
both
curb
cuts
on
the
street,
and
then
you
have
alley
parking
or
parking
from
the
side
street
and
even
in
this
District
there's
a
mix,
there's
a
good
mix
and
I.
Remember
not
that
long
ago
we
had
a
project
come
before
us
and
I
believe
every
street
on
that
house,
except
for
the
one
that
came
before
us,
had
a
curb
cut
and
they
were
the
only
ones
that
decided
to
go
from
the
alley.
A
A
Say
there
were
existing,
curb
cuts
for
ribbon
drives
historic
ribbon
drives
now
the
curb
cups
might
be
more
of
our
today's
standards,
which
are
much
wider
flares.
Historically,
they
would
have
been
almost
completely
orthogonal.
It
might
have
had
a
little
kick
here
and
there,
depending
on
the
particular
location,
but
so
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
this
one
having
it
I
mean,
there's
enough
in
the
historic
record
for
this
particular
Street
and
block
for
it
to
fit.
In
that's
my
opinion,.
E
Being
it's
not
it's,
it
looks
to
flow
I
can
appreciate
your
comment,
though,
and
and
why
so
I
mean
I,
guess
it
is
something
to
consider,
but
the
street
already
does
have
the
same
type
of
curb
Cuts
up
and
down
it,
and
so
it's
like.
E
E
B
E
A
E
D
I
mean
considering
you
know
they
already
have.
You
know
a
certain
regard
for
failing
trees
in
the
first
place,
one.
L
B
D
Their
rear
deck
and
porch
so
I
think
it's
a
measure
to
check
these
things
out
in
the
first
place,
particularly
with
our
windstorms
and
in
their
situation
with
the
insurance
companies.
I
think
that
was
a
move
for
them
to
get
checked
out.
A
G
A
Understand,
okay,
so
all
in
favor,
please
State
I
am
raise
your
hand
indicating
so
all.