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A
B
B
If
you're
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
When
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
The
Commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation
and
your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
the
site
plan,
elevations
architectural
details
and
wall
sections.
B
The
staff
will
then
present
a
staff
report,
and
we
will
then
ask
for
public
comment
following
your
presentation.
The
Commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
your
presentation
when
coming
to
the
microphone.
Please
State
and
spell
your
name.
Clearly.
If
you
are
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
it
takes
some
time
now.
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
following
the
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
B
The
area
please
remind
remember
that
the
arc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional
responsibility,
owners
and
or
agents
are
independently
responsible
to
obtain
any
appropriate
permits
and
or
approvals.
Now,
if
you
haven't
already
done
so,
please
do
silence
your
cell
phones
and
I'll.
Ask
my
fellow
Commissioners
to
introduce
themselves
starting
on
my
left.
E
D
F
Tampa
welcome
to
this
evening's
public
hearing
and
welcome
to
the
public
that
are
in
attendance
as
well.
I
do
have
just
a
couple
brief
announcements,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
welcome
commissioner
miles
to
the
commission
and
thank
you
for
volunteering,
your
time
for
historic
preservation
in
the
city
of
Tampa.
As
you
know,
this
is
quite
a
commitment
for
the
Commissioners
and
we
appreciate
your
dedication
to
this
cause.
F
Secondly,
did
want
to
enter
the
arc
staff
approvals
from
March
of
2023
into
the
record.
I
will
provide
those
to
the
clerk
and,
lastly,
did
want
to
remind
the
Commissioners
that
we
will
be
having
the
second
part
of
the
April
cycle.
Public
hearings
on
Wednesday
April
5th
at
5,
30
PM,
so
we're
seeing
a
portion
of
the
cases
on
this
evening's
agenda
and
with
that
I'll,
ask
our
legal
counsel
to
go
ahead
and
request
the
conflict
of
interest
and
ex
parte
communication
disclosure.
G
F
And
with
that
well
we'll
move
on
to
continuations.
We
do
have
one
continuation
that
was
intended
just
to
balance
out
the
agendas
for
this
cycle,
so
they
are
going
to
be
continuing
from
tonight's
public
hearing
until
the
Wednesday
public
hearing.
So
if
I
can
receive
a
motion
for
Arc
23-122
located
at
1802,
West
ChatOn
Avenue,
that's
requesting
to
be
continued
to
the
April
5th
2023
public
hearing
at
5,
30
pm.
E
H
F
F
F
I
You
thank
you
good
evening,
Commissioners
Elaine
Lund,
with
historic
preservation
staff.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
located
at
410
East
Forest
Avenue.
This
is
case
number
Arc
23-69
located
in
the
Tampa
Heights
historic
district.
The
request
is
for
new
construction
for
an
addition
to
the
primary
structure,
and
this
is
in
a
building
that,
while
it
is
an
older
structure,
a
built,
Circa
1905,
it
is
a
non-contributing
structure
due
to
the
alterations
that
have
occurred
to
it
over
the
years.
So
with
that
I'll
take
you
through
the
photo
presentation.
I
The
first
image
you'll
see
here
is
the
map
of
the
Tampa
Heights
historic
district.
The
property
is
located
in
near
the
center
of
the
historic
district
north
of
Columbus
Drive,
it's
on
Forest
Avenue
in
between
central
and
Jefferson
streets
on
the
north
side
of
forest.
I
Sorry,
this
is
the
1920s
Sanborn
map
he's
showing
you
with
the
where
the
footprint
of
the
building
was.
At
that
time
you
can
see
that
it's
situated
toward
the
toward
the
west
side
of
the
property-
and
this
is
the
present
day-
aerial
map
a
little
difficult
to
see
the
house
in
question
there.
Now,
because
of
the
tree,
but
again
it's
on
the
north
side
of
Forest
Avenue
between
central
and
Avenue
and
Jefferson
Street.
I
This
is
facing
the
front
of
the
the
property
in
question,
we're
looking
at
its
South
Side.
I
I
This
view
is
looking
East
along
Forest
towards
Central
Avenue,
and
then
this
view
is
looking
West
towards
Jefferson
Street.
So
the
subject
property
in
this
photo
would
be
to
your
right,
and
that
concludes
the
photo
presentations
at
this
time.
We'll
have
the
applicant
come
forward
and
present
the
the
request.
J
Hello,
how
are
you
guys
doing
today?
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you
so
much.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
in
addition
to
our
existing
home.
We
kind
of
have
several
problems
inside
the
home,
but
one
of
the
main
problems
stems
around
the
idea
that
the
home
was
built
so
old
or
so
long
ago,
rather,
and
a
lot
of
the
things
inside
like,
for
instance,
our
washer,
the
washer
dryer
is
not
physically
inside
the
home.
J
J
Also
with
the
kitchen
we've
had
a
problem
with
it
dipping
in
sinking
in
so
not
only
with
the
addition
solve
those
problems,
but
in
addition,
it
would
actually
give
us
a
little
more
space
to
you
know,
move
around
a
little
more
comfortable
living
we'd
be
able
to
entertain
and,
more
importantly,
we
be
able
to
stay
in
our
current
home
rather
than
having
to
move
or
make
some
huge
adjustments
to
the
outside
or
second
levels
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
we
would
like
to
stay
where
we
are.
J
J
As
far
as
that
material,
but
I'll
start
with
the
actual
Edition
for
the
site
plan,
which
is
hopefully
it's
not
upside
down,
is
that
upside
down
now
yeah
there
we
go
right
set
up,
so
I
tried
to
zoom
in
a
little
bit
the
survey
perfect.
This
is
the
residence
now.
J
The
addition
is
in
the
the
red
area
as
far
as
what
we
would
like
to
do,
so
it
would
not
change
anything
towards
the
front
of
the
home,
but
just
the
addition
in
the
back
property
line
here,
of
course,
and
then
we're
eight
feet
off
the
property
line
we
had.
You
know
to
do
that,
to
comply
with.
You
know
the
setbacks
so
yeah
yeah.
So
that
is
what
the
addition
is.
As
far
as
that.
J
J
But
this
is
the
elevation
on
the
residents.
This
would
be
the
back
of
of
the
home.
That's
the
view
that
you're
looking
at
now
from
speeding
through
these
too
fast.
So
let
me
know-
and
then
here
is
going
to
be
the
wall
section
for
the
residents,
but
we're
doing.
Oh.
Thank
you.
So
much.
J
Okay,
so
materials
as
far
as
the
shingles,
all
the
way
down
to
a
foundation.
K
We're
going
to
match
existing
finishes
on
the
whole
homes,
we're
going
to
match
the
existing
shingle
roof,
we're
going
to
match
the
existing
siding,
which
is
a
Hardie
board.
Textured
fiber,
cement
board
with
a
seven
inch
lap
and,
of
course,
Mr
Elizabeth
Williams,
don't
want
their
home
to
appear
as
if
it
were
added
to
so
we're
going
to
take
great
care
to
to
make
their
home
look
as
if
it
were
all
original.
K
When
we
do
apply
the
new
party
siding
we're
going
to
have
nice
straight,
lined
up
exciting
lines
so
that
things
turn
out
quite
well
and
and
the
only
change
might
be
the
types
of
Windows
we
might
have
a.
They
might
want
a
vinyl
Frame
Window
instead
of
the
aluminum
frame
that
are
in
the
front
and
the
front
half
of
the
home,
because
it
gives
them
greater
Energy
Efficiency.
That
would
all.
L
J
And
then,
speaking
towards
that
site,
I
know
they
had
a
back
view
of
the
home.
But
here's
a
little
close-up
view
of
the
siding
that
we
are
going
to
match
for
the
home
just
to
try
to
keep
it
running
consistently.
Matching
up
and
here's
a
little
bit
of
view
of
kind
of
like
a
little
bit
of
soffit
view,
but
more
or
less
a
little
bit
of
the
overhang
along
the
home
also
trying
to
get
that
matched
as
well.
The
whole
way
through
and
I
believe
I
have.
L
J
And
then
there
are
those
photos
just
a
little
rooftop
view
of
the
shingles
that
we're
also
going
to
match.
So
honestly,
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
just
keep
everything
completely
consistent.
You
know
the
idea
of
living
in
a
neighborhood
that
we're
in
we
definitely
appreciate
living
there.
We
like
the
there's
some
order
as
far
as
keeping
it
historically
accurate
to
what
it
was.
J
So
we
definitely
want
to
comply
with
all
of
that,
and
basically
just
extend
the
house
out
back
to
make
us
a
better
living
situation,
a
little
more
comfortable
and
also
just
you
know,
a
little
safer
in
in
some
respects
as
well,
so
I
think
that's
all
I
have
in
my
stack
of
papers
for
oh
I,
do
have
this
I
think
I
think
I
uploaded
all
these
images
as
well,
so
it
may
have
been
seen,
but
this
is
actually
the
inside
of
the
home
what
it
would
be
so
working
working
front
to
back.
J
So
this
dash
line
is
where
the
addition
of
the
house
would
start
so
from
here.
Back
will
be
all
the
additions
that
we
would
do
to
the
home.
J
I'm
so
sorry,
my
name
is
Courtney
Williams
and
I
am
the
owner
or
one
of
the
owners
me
and
my
wife
are
the
owner
of
410
East
Forest
Avenue
in
Tampa
Florida.
B
J
Know
I
believe
that's
weird,
because
when
we
bought
the
home
we
thought
it
was
like
1910,
but
then
we
saw
something
that
said
1905,
so
we're
not
exactly
pinned
down
on
the
exact
date.
We
know
changes
were
made
to
the
house.
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
that
may
be
so
confusing
yeah,
but
we
will
leave
this
in
1905.
A
C
Whole
double
yeah
shed
thing
you
you
said
you
wanted
to
match
the
lap
of
the
siding
and
the
the
wall
section
showed
I,
believe
an
11
inch
lap
and
then
verbally
was
stated.
A
seven
inch.
K
Sorry
I
put
a
tape
on
this
some
time
ago,
so
the
diagram
must
be
correct.
I
was
going
by
memory,
but
but
they,
but
they
do
make
a
wider,
a
wider
lap,
siding
and
and
which
is
available.
So
we
can
get
that
and
we
can.
We
can
imagine
okay.
K
I,
don't
know
if
it's
consistent
on
the
house
we'll
have
to
match
what
it?
What
is
on
the
on
the
east
side,
because
we
have,
we
had
to
continue
the
station
board
there
and
playing
the
roof
on
the
east
side.
K
K
We're
going
to
match
the
fascia
board
across
the
east
side
and
maintain
the
similar
type
of
rain
and.
K
J
Our
resistant
is
not
painted
at
all.
The
ladder
is
just
exposed,
yeah
yeah.
J
K
So
you
know
we're
gonna
have
to
do
a
solid
foundation
wall
and
of
course,
there
are
going
to
be
vents
because
it's
a
raise
we're
going
to
be
a
raised,
wood
floor
right,
so
they'll
be
prescribed
whatever
whatever
size,
okay,
but
we're
gonna
we'll
have
pour
those
and
have
a
tie,
beam
and
so
forth,
tied
down
to
the
pudding.
Okay,.
J
J
Yeah
yeah,
it
was
okay
like
that
when
we
came
printed
hours,
okay,.
E
Please,
sir,
if
you
can
one
of
the
items
in
your
presentation
in
terms
of
materiality
could
be
or
should
be
addressed
at
this
time
and
that's
the
the
nature
of
your
doors
and
windows
that
you're
proposing
to
put
into
this
Edition.
E
Do
you
have
with
you
cut
sheets
for
the
manufacturers
of
these
doors
and
windows
that
you're
intending
to
use?
Or
can
you
describe
these
to
us
in
some
fashion,
I.
K
Could
get
them
to
you?
I,
don't
have
the
cut
sheets
and
we're
still
talking
about
exactly
which
what
we'll
use,
what
we
believe
it's
going
to
be
a
a
vinyl
product,
probably
by
either
Simonton
for
the
windows
and
custom
window
manufacturers
for
sliding
glass
doors.
We
typically
use
those
products
unless
something
else
is
desired.
E
On
the
rear
of
your
proposed
Edition,
you
are
planning
on
a
covered
porch
correct.
Do
you
have
details
at
all
for
those
columns
or
stoop
steps
from
that
porch.
K
So
if,
if
depending
on
what
how
our
engineer
spaces
the
uprights
for
for
upload,
we'll
we'll
Place,
those
probably
six
by
six
as
I,
would
imagine
in
the
past
as
what
he
has
used
and
then
we
can
wrap
those
with
the
the
Hardy
siding.
J
Yeah
we
were
thinking
about
continuing
the
deck
out,
so
it'll
just
be
the
raise
would
as
it
is
now
that
way
we
could
walk
out
from
the
house
and
just
walk
straight
out
to
the
deck,
but
we
were
thinking
maybe
about
just
doing
ground
level
cement.
You
know
basic
deck,
so
we
were
kind
of
in
between,
but
more
exciting
towards.
You
know
going
straight
out
and
just
being
still
on
that
raised
up
that
way,
we're
not
really
changing.
You
know
the
aesthetic
of
the
house
too
much
and.
K
The
ceiling
of
your
of
your
porch,
the
ceiling
on
your
we
we
could
do,
and
we
had
it
talking
about
this.
It
might
be
a
a
tongue
and
groove
pine
ceiling
which
he
could
stain
or
paint.
If
he
wants
to
paint
it
I'm,
probably
going
to
suggest
that
he
go
with
a
similar
type
of
product
in
vinyl.
So
so
it's
maintenance,
free
and
it
can
power
wash
it.
J
B
J
The
fence
line
along
the
at
the
west
side
is
is
right
here:
okay,.
M
B
Want
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
they're
not
readily
seen
from.
J
Yes,
ma'am,
the
the
the
fence
is
right
here:
okay,.
K
B
B
K
K
I
apologize,
I
thought
the
request
would
be
for
what's
being
added,
we
have.
We
have
some
photos
of
the
existing
house,
but
what
we
were
adding
the
windows
on
the
the
East
Elevation
and
not
on
the
west
elevation,
but
because
most
of
that's
the
existing
house
and
then
there's
a
bathroom
there,
but
and
then
in
the
back,
we
have
the
doors.
B
So
it's
it's
difficult
and
the
reason
why
we
we,
when
we
see
elevations,
we
want
to
see
the
existing
condition
and
we
want
to
see
the
new.
So
we
can
relate
it
because
we
can't
see
it
readily
in
photos
like
the
photos
that
we
have
our
little
snapshots
they're
at
different
views,
and
they
don't
give
us
a
full
perspective
of
how
it
actually
comes
together.
And
another
thing
it
helps
us
see.
Scale
proportion
that
sort
of
thing
to
understand
it
are
the
draw,
are
the
windows
that
are
on
the
East
Elevation?
B
K
They
it
to
the
best
amount
they
should
be.
You
know,
unless
Mrs
Williams
would
want
to
change
them.
I
believe
that
the
windows
that
are
shown
are
probably
not
as
I,
don't
think
they're
as
tall
as
the
existing
ones.
Can
we
see?
Do
you
have
a
photo.
J
Don't
know
anything
we
don't
have
a
we
don't
have.
A
picture
of
the
only
thing
I
have
is
a
link
because
we
don't
have
any
window
actually
I'm,
sorry
erase
it.
We
have
a
very
like
small
bathroom
window
that
the
ones
you
can't
look
through,
but
that's
the
only
window
we
have
on
the
east
side
at
all.
K
And
that
would
be
that
window
would
be
eliminated
because
of
the
it
would.
It
would
appear
in
an
area
where,
where
you
see
the
three
windows
that
are
mulled
together
on
the
East
Elevation
now
then
actually
this
you
know
what,
if
that's
the
case,
I
had
forgotten.
If
that's
the
case,
then
this
is
actually
an
accurate
elevation,
because
if
you
only
have
the
one
bedroom
window
on
the
east
side
now
that
one
goes
away
because
we
remodel
that
into
the
living
room
and
therefore
this
this
East
Elevation
would
be
accurate.
K
There
are
no
one
is,
except
for
the
three
that
are
added
and
and
the
door
on
the
side.
J
Let
me,
let
me
try.
This
is
my
first
time
you're.
H
H
K
Much
further
we
cut
it
off
because
we
didn't
know
you'd
want
to
see
that.
But
that
doesn't
it's
not
a
part
of
any
modifications
and
it
only
goes
a
little
further.
This
bedroom
and
this
bedroom
at
the
front
with
two
windows
out
the
front
and
then.
K
K
B
L
B
Can
we
look
at
the
elevation
again
because
I
don't
think
it's
on
the
elevation
and
even
so,
what
type
of
door
would
that
be.
M
L
B
K
Main
door,
the
door
light
would
probably
be
a
probably
it'd,
be
a
Masonite
slab.
Now
they
may
have
yet
to
decide
if
they
want
to
put
some
kind
of
glazing
there.
You
know,
and
it
may
be
a
fixed
glazing.
It
might
be
full
glass,
it
might
be
a
half
glass
or
a
three-quarter,
or
they
might
just
want
to
go
with
a
a
panel.
You
know
a
panel
style
yeah.
B
Okay,
all
right,
I
think
I've
grilled,
you
enough
I
have
no
other
questions
at
this
time.
Any
other
questions
before
we
move
on
no
all
right,
so
you
have
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
If
there's
anything
you
thought
of,
while
we
were
asking
questions
that
we
didn't
cover,
maybe-
or
you
thought
you
needed
to
add-
this
is
your
opportunity.
K
Well,
we
were,
you
know.
Our
whole
intent
here
is
to
preserve
the
quality
of
the
neighborhood,
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
opening
statement,
we
want
the
home
to
appear
as
if
it
were
original
to
to
to
its
design.
Now,
of
course,
new
they
someone
put
new
sighting
on
the
home.
You
know
some
time
ago,
so
we're
going
to
match
that
the
product's
readily
available
and
we
can
make
it
look
like
it's
continuous.
J
Yeah
and
like
in,
for
me,
a
lot
of
the
details
is
like
when
Richard
is
talking
as
far
as
like
what
material
we
want
to
go
to
the
door.
What
we
decided
on
like
this
process
for
us
has
been
like
extremely
long
and
extremely
cumbersome.
J
We
started
out
in
a
completely
different
department
and
this
whole
idea
kind
of
of
what
we
wanted
to
do
almost
started
like
a
year
ago
so
like
without
knowing
if
the
project
was
going
to
go
through,
it
was
so
hard
to
get
to
the
next
level
of
the
exact
door,
the
exact
window
or
the
exact
details.
So
we
put
together
a
general
idea
of
these
are
what
we're
looking
at
these
are
the
colors
we're
looking
at
this
is
the
style
we
would
want.
J
J
So
it's
almost
like
how
far
more
do
you
want
to
go
so
some
of
the
finer
details
of
like
the
doors
and
things
of
that
nature,
I
haven't
completely
like
smoothed
out,
but
we
know
the
options
we're
picking
from
you
know,
so
that's
more
or
less
like.
Definitely
something
I
want
to
like
get
put
into
the
record
of
like
you
know.
We
completely
been
like
trying
to
cross
every
eye
and
Dot
every
T
and
go
through
all
like
the
details
and
things
of
that
nature.
J
So,
but
some
of
those
things
are
tough
to
like
really
nail
down
when
you
don't
really
have
a
solid
plan
of
like.
Is
this
going
to
happen
or
worst
case
scenario?
Do
we
need
to
look
for
a
different
house?
You
know
so
we'd
like
to
stay
in
our
home.
That's
that's.
Definitely
our
goal
and
to
comply
with
the
neighborhood
as
Richard
was
saying,
and
that
is
that
is
my
piece.
J
B
So
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and
the
Commissioners
we
will
discuss
the
case
before
we
start
I
just
want
to
commend.
You
is
tough
doing
this
kind
of
thing
anyway
and
then
to
be
in
a
historic
district
and
not
realize
it
and
all
of
those
issues
that
come
with
it.
We
we
always
celebrate
those
of
you
who
decide
to
stay
in
an
improve
a
property,
so
just
know
that
we're
we're
Champions
and
we're
here,
cheering
you
on,
even
though
maybe
we're
doing
a
little
quietly
so.
L
H
I've
been
so
remiss
my
my
pens,
exploded
and
I've
been
otherwise
occupied
in
my
head.
We
should
have
the
staff
report
before
I
close
the
public
portion.
Thank
you.
I
B
Of
the
hearing,
excuse
me,
commissioners,
any
comments
or.
D
B
A
D
D
We
have
limited,
we
have
a
limited
ability
here
to
make
a
lot
of
requests.
I
mean.
Can
you
kind
of
spell
that
out
for
me.
I
It
isn't
necessarily
the
durability
is
limited.
What
we
typically
suggest
of
the
case
of
non-contributing
structures
when
they
are
ones
that
are,
you
know
such
as
this
one
that
are
older
than
they
might
appear,
but
have
been
altered
over
the
years.
Is
that
you
know,
since
they
have
the
non-contributing
status,
that
any
alterations
to
them
going
forward,
be
kind
of
maintained
with
the
existing
look
of
the
structure
or
the
existing
Style.
A
E
I'll
open
ordinarily-
oh
if
this
were
a
significant
contributing
structure
to
the
nature
and
character
of
the
historic
district.
I
would
be
thinking
along
the
lines
that
the
presentation
here
tonight
is
really
not
quite
ready
for
prime
time
there
is
a
there's,
a
number
of
detail
items
which
are
material
to
your
addition
and
your
concept,
which
are
missing
at
this
point
in
time.
E
However,
however,
this
is
a
non-conforming
building,
it's
very
temporary
in
some
respects
to
its
nature
and
I
could
see
where
items
such
as
the
ease
and
the
soffits,
the
nature
of
the
porch
and
its
materials.
Windows
Doors
can
be
easily
coordinated
with
staff.
Because
of
that
nature,
this
is
a
modest
addition
to
a
modest
non-conforming
building.
That's
my
point
right
now,
I.
B
M
B
You
know
we
don't
typically
allow
that
in
the
district
so
I
know,
staff
knows
that
and
I
just
want
that
to
go
on
record.
If,
indeed
we
push
this
forward
that
you
know
the
Mandate
is.
Is
that
no
matter
the
choices
that
they
are?
They
are
consistent
and
wineless,
specifically
not
one
that
we
typically
allow.
C
Yeah
I
was
a
little
concerned
with,
with
you
know
the,
but
it's
because
it
is
a
non-contributing
structure.
The
addition,
as
we
typically
would
say,
we
don't
want
everything
to
be
copied.
We
don't
want
something
built
today
to
copy
something
that
was
done
historically,
if
it
was
a
contributing
structure.
If
it
was
a
you
know,
a
different
hadn't
been
modified
so
many
times,
because
I,
don't
I,
don't
even
recognize
this
building
as
anything,
but
something
from
the
70s
or
the
80s.
O
C
C
The
scale
is,
certainly
you
know,
of
a
modest
enough
scale
that
it's
not
doing
anything
to
the
to
the
neighborhood
or
changing
the
character
of
anything
significantly
I
did
notice.
It's
just
a
weird
thing,
with
the
three
big
windows
in
the
back.
You
know
and
I
understand
why
it's
being
done
because
it's
from
the
ins,
it's
making
the
space
from
the
inside
symmetrical
around
those
windows
and
whatnot,
but
one
of
those
windows
is
smack
dab
where
the
corner
of
the
existing
house
is
right.
C
B
C
I,
don't
think
there's
any
you
know,
there's
nothing
major
majorly
wrong
with
this.
Let's
just
put
it
that
way.
For,
for
what
it
is,
is
a
modest
Edition
to
a
house.
That's
been
extraordinarily
altered
over
the
years,
so
I
would
I
would
think
that
we
would
prohibit
the
vinyl
simply
because
it's
not
a
the
existing
house
doesn't
have
vinyl
windows.
C
It
has
aluminum
windows,
which
is
not
much
better,
but
but
in
keeping
with
the
character
of
keeping
the
house
looking
cohesive
I
would
actually
prefer
the
aluminum
windows
rather
than
a
vinyl
window
or
a
vinyl
door.
Well,.
C
C
One
right
right,
the
jealousies
and
such
such
as
that
right,
that's
what
I'm
saying
I
think
the
aluminum
would
be
preferred
to
a
vinyl
window
or
a
vinyl
door
or
vinyl
soffit
or
you
know,
the
Hardy
Board
is
one
thing,
but
I
think
vinyl
is
cheapening.
The
historic
district
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
careful
about
approving
that.
C
D
But
I
also
don't
think
that
that
is
the
the
that
the
the
final
determination
of
of
materials
can
be
coordinated
by
staff,
because
this
is
going
to
go.
It's
got
to
go
through
the
through
the
building
department
for
its
permitting
and
they
will
make
necessary
adjustments.
D
Okay,
move
to
Grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
Hearing
in
Arc,
23-:
zero,
zero,
zero,
zero,
zero,
zero,
six
nine
for
the
property
located
at
410,
East,
Forest
Avenue,
based
upon
because
based
upon
defining
effects,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
Tampa
Heights
historic
district
district
design
guidelines.
D
Oh
excuse
me,
I
got
I
got
off
here
for
the
property
located
at
410,
East
Forest
Avenue
with
the
following
conditions,
and
that
is
that
doors
windows
and
any
exterior
lighting
and
Hardware
be
coordinated
with
staff
because,
based
upon
the
finding
effect,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
Tampa
Heights
historic
district
design,
guidelines
of
the
city
of
Tampa.
For
the
following
reasons
that
it
does
that,
even
though
it
is
a
non-contributing
structure,.
B
K
B
D
I
Commissioners
Elaine
Lund
historic
preservation
staff
moving
along
the
agenda
to
the
next
item.
This
evening
we
have
Arc
23-119
at
6102,
North
Suwanee
Avenue.
This
particular
case
was
continued.
Excuse
me
from
last
month's
hearing.
This
is
a
request
for
new
construction
in
addition
to
the
primary
structure
and
a
an
accessory
structure
beside
improvements.
This
is
a
building
located
in
Seminole,
Heights,
historic
district
and
it
was
a
contributing
structure
built
around
1928..
So
moving
now
to
the
photo
presentation,
we
have
first
the
map
of
the
historic
district.
I
We
see
the
contributing
structure
highlighted
in
green
there
at
the
the
North
West
corner
of
the
historic
district.
I
Looking
at
the
1920s
Sanborn
map
of
the
area,
you
can
see
where
it's
situated
at
the
corner
of
Sewanee,
Avenue
and
Paris,
and
it's
just
a
block
away
from
Florida
Avenue.
The
red
line
here
shows
the
outline
of
the
local
historic
district.
I
This
is
the
present
day
aerial
map
again
with
the
the
outline
Shannon
blue
of
the
district
and
the
outline
of
the
subject
property
in
green.
I
Looking
directly
across
the
street,
this
is
the
subject
of
the
site:
sorry,
the
the
house
across
the
street,
from
the
subject
property.
This
is
just
to
the
north
of
the
subject
site.
I
This
is
just
a
view
of
the
the
rear
of
the
subject
site
and
a
shot
of
the
existing
accessory
structure
on
site.
I
N
Good
evening
my
name
is
Alan
Dobbs
with
Florida
Design
Studio.
My
address
is
5502
North,
Cherokee
Avenue
my
clients.
It's
a
young
couple,
they're
going
to
be
starting
a
family
soon,
their
house
is
relatively
small,
it's
only
a
2-2
and
they
want
to
expand
it
to
include
a
master
suite
and
a
total
of
four
bedrooms
and
three
and
a
half
bathrooms.
N
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
last
time
when
we
had
our
variance
request,
which
was
denied,
so
we
reduced
the
size
of
the
building
so
that
we
didn't
or
the
addition
to
the
north
so
that
we
didn't
have
to
have
the
variance,
but
it
is
still
a
an
aggressive
program.
So
the
challenge
here
on
the
design
is
how
to
keep
that
in
character
and
scale
with
the
existing
building
and
so
I'm
going
to
spend
some
time
kind
of
going
through
the
the
area
and
the
program
and
then
also
we
have
an
accessory
building.
N
That's
pretty
standard
and
I'll
go
through
that.
So
to
start
with,
this
is
just
a
chart
to
show
how
we
arrived
at
the
area.
Obviously,
if
you
look
at
the
the
bottom
line,
which
is
not
on
here,
but
it's
on
your
on
your
drawings,
you
know
it's
a
little
over
3000
square
feet
total
by
time.
We're
done.
That
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
but
we
need
to
look
at
how
it's
arrived
at,
and
so
you
can
see
the
existing
condition.
Right
now
is
1100
square
feet
and
69
1169
square
feet.
N
So
they
want
to
do
a
new
kitchen
and
and
I
put
the
size
of
the
spaces.
The
kitchen
family
room-
and
this
dining
is
all
part
of
a
great
room
in
the
back,
because
the
the
modern
families
now
live
in
the
back
of
the
house.
Unlike
the
front
of
the
house,
which
is
when
these
houses
were
built,
you
know
with
the
great
front
porches
and
everything,
and
then
we
have
a
certain
amount
for
oh
and
then
also
utility
room
in
a
certain
amount,
for
you
know
hallway
circulation.
Things
like
that.
N
So
that's
where
that
number
came
from
the
second
floor,
we're
doing
a
second
floor
Edition,
because
we
want
to
conserve
lot
Air
at
the
lot's,
not
very
large,
and
there's
really
no
place
to
put
a
Master
Suite
on
the
first
floor
or
an
additional
bedroom.
Considering
you
know
the
kitchen
and
family
room
that
we're
adding.
N
So
we
put
those
on
the
second
floor.
So
again
the
the
sizes
of
the
master
suite
was
a
little
oddly
configured
so
rather
than
putting
the
size
of
the
bedroom,
I
put
the
total
area
of
the
closet,
bathroom
and
bedroom,
which
under
400
square
feet,
is
very
reasonable
size,
Master,
Suite,
there's
a
small
bedroom
small
bath
and
then
a
small
stair
Loft
with
the
kids,
it's
great
to
have
a
small,
upstairs
living
area
at
the
top
of
the
steps.
So
that's
the
reason
for
the
stair
lock
and,
of
course,
the
wall
circulation.
N
So
again,
that's
633
square
feet
so
so
that
it's
our
total
square
feet
ends
up
being
2565
square
feet
and
then
unconditioned
area.
We
have
the
existing
front
porch
and
we're
adding
a
side
entry
porch,
which
you'll
see
in
the
floor
plan
and
also
a
rear
ports
and
the
dimensions
are
there,
so
that's
all
very
reasonable
program,
but
it's,
but
it's
a
challenge
to
fit
all
this
in
on
the
pro
on
the
on
the
site,
one
of
the
I'm
going
to
zoom
in
a
little
bit
here.
N
So
basically
we
are
the
addition
is
on
the
back
of
the
house,
we're
bumping
out
to
the
north
and
we're
bumping
out
to
the
South
within
the
building
setbacks.
You
can
see
that
we
are
bumping
that
a
little
bit
further
than
the
existing
building
here,
but
there's
no
prescriptive
thing
in
the
design
guidelines.
That
say
you
can't
go
more
than
what's
existing,
but
also
there's
a
pattern
at
this
particular
intersection
at
the
house
on
the
south
east
corner.
N
N
N
N
This
was
an
addition
off
the
bat,
and
here
we
were
able
to
not
project
out
as
far
because
we
had
our
side
set
back
here
and
that
showed
the
configuration
Edition
in
an
accessory
building.
So
so
that's
sort
of
the
pattern
at
this
intersection,
so
yeah.
So
that's
kind
of
how
we
arrived
at.
You
know,
bumping
Fort
here
and
here
I'm,
going
to
go
to
a
little
larger
site
plan
here.
N
Talk
about
the
building
to
form
a
little
bit
more
detail.
So
all
this
hatched
area
cross
hatched
area
is
the
addition
on
the
first
floor
and
then
the
red
is
the
second
floor,
the
red
area.
You
can
see
steps
back
on
the
North
and
South
Side
from
the
first
floor,
but
also
it
aligns
with
the
existing
wall
the
first
floor.
So
the
second
floor
is
no
wider
than
the
existing
house.
N
Also,
this
house
is
unique
because
it
has
a
cross
Gable,
so
the
ridge
runs
this
way.
So
when
you
have
a
cross
cable,
it's
a
very
it's
a
big
challenge
to
how
do
you
add
to
the
back
because
you're
going
to
have
a
big
Valley?
N
So
so
we
have
this
roof
right
here,
which
is
with
the
ridge
that's
lower
than
the
existing
Ridge
here,
and
then
we
bumped
out
here
for
additional
space
to
kind
of
break
up
this
massing
and
also
we
needed
the
space
for
a
program
area.
N
The
rest
of
the
site
you
can
see
the
the
yellow
is
where
we
have
a
fence,
there's
already
a
fence
on
the
North
side
right
here.
So
it
conceals
the
air
conditioning
units
for
the
house.
The
backyard
is
going
to
be
secured
by
this
fence,
there'll
be
a
horizontal
gate
here
and
then
the
AC
unit
for
this
accessory
structure.
Here
the
accessory
structure
is
a
fairly
spots.
It's
12
feet
wide
bumped
out
here.
N
N
So
you
can
see
the
the
driveway
one
of
the
comments
of
staff
was
to
break
up
the
scale
of
the
driveway
with
scoring.
So
we
do
have
it
scored
this
particular
area
right
here.
I'm
going
to
zoom
in
some
more
Transportation
had
a
comment
about
having
a
sidewalk
which
were
inclined
not
to
do
a
sidewalk,
because
there's
no
sidewalks
on
either
side
or
anywhere
on
the
four
properties
on
the
corner,
so
they'll
probably
pay
into
the
sidewalk
fund.
N
N
You
can
so
so
this
is
air.
It
turns
into
like
a
stair
hole
with
the
stair.
That
goes
up
to
the
second
floor.
They
wanted
a
side,
entry
Port.
So
that's
why
we're
bumping
out
here.
So
you
know
we
can't
bump
out
two
feet
and
have
a
door
here.
So
that's
why
we're
bumping
out
approximately
five
feet
so
that
we
can
have
a
little
side,
entry
Port,
so
that's
very
common
on
Corner
lots,
and
then
we
have
a
small
utility
room
and
then
we
have
a
kitchen
and
the
whole
great
room
here.
N
This
area
was
reconfigured
to
create
an
ensuite
bath
for
this
bedroom,
and
then
we
have
an
a
little
half
bath
with
a
clause
and
transition
area
that
goes
underneath
the
stair
and
then
and
then
a
back
porch
across
the
back,
but
not
fully
across
the
back.
Basically,
it's
the
same
width
as
existing
house,
and
you
can
see
on
this
again
the
existing
plan.
There.
N
This
is
the
second
floor
you
can
see.
This
has
a
gate.
It
has
a
Gable
on
this
side
and
this
side,
so
it
has
the
roots
that
runs
this
way.
That's
to
keep
the
ridge
as
low
as
possible
by
having
the
roofs
be
in
the
short
distance,
and
then
we
have
a
Gable
on
the
front
here.
But
again,
it's
set
way
far
back
from
the
from
the
front,
and
we
only
have
eight
foot
ceilings
on
the
second
floor
to
keep
the
dish
in
as
low
as
possible.
N
But
you
can
see
you
come
up
the
stairs
here:
small
hallway
small
bath,
bedroom,
stair,
Loft
and
then
the
master
suite
in
this
area
right
here
this
this
little
graphic
shows
the
existing
roof,
and
this
white
Air
is
base
in
this
area
is
where
we're
building
over
the
existing.
So
we're
we're
not
altering
any
more
of
the
original
structure
than
we
absolutely
have
to,
and
this
sort
of
shows
the
existing
bump
out
on
the
back.
That's
going
to
be
removed.
N
So
get
into
the
elevations
the
the
front
elevation
you
can
see.
Let
me
zoom
out
a
little
bit.
N
You
can
see
the
existing
and
proposed,
so
all
of
this
is
way
far
in
the
back.
If
you're
standing
in
front
of
the
house,
you
actually
wouldn't
even
see
this
because
of
the
the
line
of
sight.
We.
N
N
Oh,
but
you
can
see
it
up
there:
oh
okay,
okay,
interesting,
okay,
so,
okay!
So
that's
the
front
elevation
again
that
that
front
facing
Gable.
You
can
see
there
and
then
the
crossroads
that
runs
there.
This
is
a
cross
section
through
the
side,
ports
that
shows
you
have
existing
roof
and
gives
you
a
better
view
of
the
Edition
in
the
back
and
how
we're
just
cutting
into
the
roof
just
for
mainly
for
head
clearance.
N
Again,
this
is
just
a
currently
a
bathroom
with
these
high
windows
that
were
probably
not
original,
and
so
we
have
the
additions
on
the
side
here
then,
we
have
an
addition
on
the
second
floor
and
then
we
have
the
porch
here
with
eight
by
eight
columns
here,
while
we're
here
at
the
the
the
siding
is
going
to
be
a
smooth
Hardy
lap,
siding
with
corner
boards
and
brackets
in
the
clip,
Gable
or
jerking
head
roof
similar
to
the
existing.
N
This
is
a
section
going,
the
other
way
that
I
used
to
figure
out
how
much
of
the
roof
we
had
to
get
into
for
the
stair.
So
you
can
see
this
is
this
matches
the
existing
ceiling
height,
which
is
about
nine
feet,
and
then
we
have
eight
foot.
On
the
second
floor,
we
did
drop
the
ceiling
in
this
area
here
because
of
the
geometry
of
the
roof.
N
We
didn't
want
to
bump
this
up
here
so
and
then
we
see
the
ports
on
the
back
so
on
the
side
elevation
from
here
forwards
existing
this
is
where
the
side
entry
porch
is.
So
this
is
the
little
window,
that's
in
the
in
the
utility
room,
and
then
you
see
the
Gable
there.
N
So
this
this
projects
out,
but
we're
doing
a
finish
board
to
sort
of
complete
the
geometry
there
and
then
stepping
back
is
this
second
floor
area
with
a
window
that
meets
egress
requirements
since
it's
in
a
a
bedroom
and
then
and
then
we
have
the
small
window
here-
that's
I
think
part
of
the
the
snare
Loft
and
then
and
then
you
have
the
two
windows
in
the
kitchen
and
then
the
the
board
on
the
back
I'm
gonna
I
have
some
other
drawings,
large
drawings,
for
the
wall,
section
that
we'll
talk
over
in
a
minute.
N
So
the
other
elevation,
the
north
elevation,
similar
to
the
South
elevation,
but
we
don't
have
the
side
porch.
You
know
we
have
that
that's
the
living
room
and
they
with
the
direct
vet
fireplace
same
window.
Configuration
is
the
other
side
for
the
master
bedroom
and
then
the
window
and
the
master
this
house
doesn't
have
Piers.
It
actually
has
brick
for
the
foundation.
That's
the
stem
wall,
so
so
we're
going
to
have
the
stem
wall.
N
The
accessory
building
is,
they
did
not
want
storage
for
a
car
so
that
we
went
back
and
forth
on,
but
we
did
do
a
wide
door
here
for
the
living.
N
You
know
that's
right
here
and
so
basically,
it's
it's
first
floor
living
that
has
a
stair
that
goes
up
to
second
floor
living
and
they
the
reason
they
want
this
is
they
want
it
for
a
mother-in-law?
Sweet
one
of
their
one
of
their
parents
is
going
to
live
here,
so
their
bedroom
will
be
downstairs.
But
then
guests
can
say
you
know
upstairs
if
they
like.
N
So
the
building
is
oriented
this
way,
because
that's
the
way
it
fit
best
on
the
site
in
with
the
patterns
of
accessory
buildings
and
also
keeping
the
width
of
the
building
relatively
narrow,
so
that
the
six
well
it's
16
foot
wide
and
then
and
then
a
porch
off
the
first
floor.
One
of
the
comments
the
staff
was
having
the
window
or
doors
aligned
with
the
second
floor
window.
N
That's
this
window
and
this
door,
but
you
can
see
it's
more
important
for
the
door
to
be
centered
in
the
space
then
aligning
align
with
with
this,
because
you'll
never
see
this
door,
it's
not
within
the
public
realm
anywhere
and
then
on
the
on
the
elevation
or
the
stair
area
bumps
out
on
the
side.
We
want
to
keep
it
very
simple
and
clean,
so
we
just
had
the
roof
project
out
and
down
to
get
the
roof
over
that
space
in
the
front
elevation.
N
N
This
is
a
typical
wall
section
at
the
house.
You
know.
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
continuous
stem
wall,
so
we're
going
to
do
it's
going
to
be
concrete
block,
but
it
will
have
a
thin
brick
veneer,
which
is
actually
true
brick.
So
it
will
look
just
like
brick,
it's
not
stuck
over
it
and
then
we'll
have
a
water
table
and
trim
band
at
the
base
of
the
wall
and
then
we'll
have
suspended
wood
flooring
for
the
floor
structure.
N
We'll
have
Hardy
actually
on
the
main
house,
we'll
have
wood
siding
to
match
existing
on
the
accessory
structure,
we'll
have
Hardy
to
match
our
hearty
on
the
accessory
building
and
then
in
the
wood
windows
on
the
house.
I'll
show
the
window
details
in
a
second
and
then
the
the
eve
detail,
which
is
such
an
important
detail.
I
I
know
I
talk
about
this
every
time.
N
I
present
a
project
but
I
still
see
so
many
contractors
getting
it
wrong,
which
is
so
frustrating
you
have
your
rafter
tail
and
then
you
have
your
finished
roof
deck,
so
it's
actually
notched
or
if
you
do
a
sister
draft
or
tail
it
drops
down,
so
that
your
finished
roof
deck
can
can
lever
out
an
inch
to
an
inch
and
a
half.
And
it
excuse
me
three
quarters
of
an
inch
and
then
your
drip
sticks
out
here.
So
it's
not
dripping
on
the
end
of
the
rafter
tail.
N
N
The
wall
section
at
the
start
at
the
bottom,
at
the
accessory
building,
is
a
monolithic,
slab
2
by
4
frame
walls,
two
by
ten
actually
I'm,
sorry
that
that
should
be
12
because
of
the
span,
so
that's
actually
12
or
11,
and
a
quarter
but
12
inches
normally,
and
then
we
two
by
four
frame.
Second,
four
walls
already
siding
on
the
exterior
of
the
walls
and
then
the
same
Eve
detail,
but
with
smaller.
N
The
balcony
on
the
the
south
side
is
was
a
little
tricky
because
we
didn't
want
to
have
columns,
so
we
did
an
oversized
bracket
structural
bracket
to
support
it,
but
you
know,
with
Craftsman
saw
houses,
it's
all
about
the
craftsmanship
and
celebrating
wood
joinery,
and
all
that.
So
that's
really
what
we're
doing
here.
N
This
is
right
next
to
the
Sea
house,
so
there
was
a
lot
of
traffic,
it's
very
visible,
so
this
is
kind
of
like
a
little
Jewel,
that's
on
the
south
side
of
the
building,
so
we
have
the
the
656
knee
brace
and
then
we
have
a
4x6
joists
with
a
inch
and
a
half
or
five
quarter:
PT
wood,
decking
and
then
a
simple
picket
rail,
with
Five
Quarter,
Square
tickets
at
five
inches
on
Center
and
then
a
simple
five
by
five
wood
column
that
matches
a
five
by
five
beam.
N
And
then
we
have
the
two
by
six
Rafters
with
the
same
roof
deck
that
matches
the
eaves
and
the
soffits
on
the
on
the
Gable
ends.
I
forgot
to
mention
on
the
other
detail.
It
actually
is
flat
here
we
it's
not
sloped
up
to
the
underside
of
the
roof
deck,
which
is
a
little
bit
different,
and
then
we
have
these
horrible
brackets
here.
N
The
window
detail
is
really
based
on.
What's
so
common
in
the
neighborhood,
it's
just
a
sort
of
a
heavy
inch
and
three
quarter
cell
four
and
a
half
inch
by
inch
and
a
half
side
casing,
and
you
want
the
inch
and
a
half,
because
the
siding
is
about
three
quarters
of
an
inch.
So
you
want
that
proper
profile,
panning
of
the
window,
and
then
you
have
a
little
bit
of
overhang
on
the
head
casing
and
then
a
drip
cap
and
then
the
the
window
details.
N
N
N
The
wood
fence
that
we're
doing
is
going
to
be
a
simple
board
on
board
kind
of
fence.
The
shingles
are
going
to
be
a
dimensional
asphalt,
shingle
I
forgot
to
mention
in
the
when
I
was
going
through,
the
elevations.
The
existing
Windows
have
a
four
over
one
pattern.
Typically
true,
divided
light,
sensitive,
the
original
wood
windows
and
we're
going
to
do
simulated,
divided
lights
with
the
new
windows.
N
This
is
this
just
shows
the
little
bracket
detail
a
little
better.
This
is
an
interesting
piece:
that's
off
the
porch,
so
I
don't
know
what
used
to
be
there,
but
it's
further
out
than
our
addition.
The
Columns
are
going
to
be
a
manufactured
box
column
and
with
just
simple
trim
at
the
top
and
bottom.
This
is
a
a
door
that
I
specified
quite
a
bit.
N
It's
got
a
very
fine
wood
grain
to
it
and
it's
great
for
a
for
a
sash
type,
French
door
and
I-
don't
know
if
you
can
tell,
but
but
you
can
see
the
find
wood
wood
grain
here
and
then
the
simple,
almost
Penny
type
glazing
that
you
would
have
with
the
a
wood
door
and
then
the
hardware
would
be
just
a
dark
bronze.
You
know
period
appropriate
kind
of
hardware
for
the
accessory
building
we're
going
to
use.
N
This
is
Sierra
Pacific
H3,
it's
a
hybrid
window.
That's
the
H3!
You
have
aluminum
plant
on
the
outside.
You
have
vinyl
Jam
Liners
in
the
hempwood
on
the
inside,
and
then
lighting
we're
just
going
to
go
with
some
sort
of
period.
Appropriate
craftsman
style,
light
with.
So
this
would
be
a
wall
mounted
light,
and
then
this
would
be
a
ceiling
mounted
light
I'm
going
to
spend
the
last
couple
minutes
just
going
through
the
conditions
to
make
sure
that
I
covered
all
the
conditions.
N
N
So
one
of
the
conditions
was
to
discuss
how
the
addition
is
differentiated
from
the
historic
structure
and
how
it's
compatible
in
scale.
You
know
I
mentioned
how
the
fir
the
second
floor
step
back
from
the
first
floor,
but
also
the
addition
on
the
first
floor.
It
also
projects
out
as
well
so
part
of
differentiating
new
from
existing
is
sort
of
bumping
out
bumping
in
bumping
up.
So
we're
kind
of
doing.
A
combination
of
those
I
talked
about
consider
aligning
the
doors
and
accessory
building
with
upper
story
windows.
N
B
I
Report
first,
thank
you
chair.
The
staff
finds
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
Seminole
Heights
design
guidelines.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
I
thought.
I
heard
at
one
point
that
the
applicant
stated
that
the
siding
on
the
main
structure
was
to
be
Hardy
and
then
later
stated
there
would
be
wood
so
just
to
clarify
that
one
point
and
otherwise
I
have
no
additional
comments.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
You
Miss
Lind
Now.
We
move
on
to
the
public
comment
period.
If
there's
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
for
against
the
project,
you
have
the
opportunity
to
come
forward
at
this
time.
I,
don't
see
anyone
so
move
on
to
Commissioners
asking
questions
and
I
will
start
on
my
right
this
time.
Any
questions
at
this
time,
Mr
Sun.
E
If
we
can
for
just
a
brief
moment,
I
would
like
to
revisit
one
of
the
conditions
that
staff
have
been
talking
to
about,
and
that's
the
nature
of
how
your
additions
differentiated
from
the
existing
historic
structured
fabric,.
E
The
existing
dwelling
I
in
my
opinion,
comes
across
as
this
very
highly
detailed
Jewel
box
of
a
dwelling
and.
E
I
have
a
concern
where
your
Edition
and
accessory
structure,
particularly
the
addition
having
so
many
planes
on
the
floor
plan
level.
You
know
the
elevation
height
level,
step
back
level,
all
of
them
mimicking
the
existing
detailing
of
the
existing
dwelling
of
creates
a
certain
chaotic,
busyness
and
I'm.
N
Yeah
and
we
my
position
on
that
is
with
the
detail.
You
could
intentionally
do
something
different
like,
for
example,
we
could
not
do
the
clip
Gable,
we
cannot
do
the
knee
braces,
we
could
simplify
it,
but
then
it
becomes
foreign
and
different,
and
it's
not
fitting
in
as
well
and
and
I
know.
It's
always
a
fine
line
between
you
know
not
giving
a
false
sense
of
History,
which
is
one
of
the
Secretary
of
interior
standards,
but
also
you
know
doing
something
that
is
compatible
with
similar
details
and
things
like
that
I
think.
N
Inherently
any
addition
is
going
to
look
different
because
you
don't
have
the
patina
that
you
do
with
the
existing
structure,
and
so
so
that's
the
the
you
know
the
different
planes
and
stuff
I
thought
it
was
fairly
simple
and
I
know
what
you're
saying
when
you
look
at
it
from
the
side.
You
see
a
lot
of
different
Gables,
but
in
reality,
at
the
first
floor
it
just
has
the
two,
the
two
side
cables
on
the
first
floor
and
then
another
side
Gable.
N
You
know
on
the
second
floor
and
and
I
guess:
I
was
just
trying
to
be
consistent.
You
know
with
the
addition
and
and
not
be
too
too
different
with
the
details
and
material
so
that
they
looked
foreign
and
not
as
compatible
with
the
existing
structure.
D
Would
it
be
possible
to
change
the
exposure
on
the
wood
siding?
Is
there
a
similar
because
there
is,
you
know,
a
similar
exposure
that
you
could
use
that
wouldn't
call
itself
out,
but
still
would
be.
You
know
if
you
looked
at
it
very
carefully,
you
go.
Oh
yeah
I
see
where
the
old
started
and
the
new
you
know
in
the
new
left
off.
N
That's
that's
an
interesting
idea,
because
the
either
with
these
patterned
wood
sidings,
you
know,
there's
actually
a
pattern
book
for
those
you
know
and
just
regular
beveled
siding
was
probably
the
most
common,
but
they
also
had
it's
like
a
double
beveled
siding
where
they
would
take
a
one
by
six
and
Mill
it
so
that
it
looked
like
you
know,
path
exposure,
you
know,
and
sometimes
that
was
kind
of
a
square
cut
and
other
times
it
was
had
a
radius
Edge
to
it.
N
And
you
know
at
all
the
transitions
they're
eat
they're,
either
at
a
90
degree,
intersection
of
a
wall.
L
N
We
have
a
finished
board,
but
the
Finish
board
that
I
talked
about
was
that
was
all
new,
but
but
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is.
If
we
did
that,
that
would
be
a,
we
would
have
a
transition
element.
So
I
think
that
would
I
wouldn't
see
that
as
being
a
problem.
You
know,
because
whenever
you
do
something
different
I
feel
real
strongly
that
you
have
to
have
some
sort
of
transition
between
the
two.
D
Right
and
also
in
general,
the
I
always
feel
that
when
you're,
when
you're
looking
through
a
historic
District,
it's
very
it's
very
rare
that
you
see
an
accessory
building
that
is
as
carefully
detailed
as
the
as
the
main
building
and,
and
so
I
was
thinking.
Well,
you
have
you've
clipped
The
Gables
in
your
accessory
building
as
well.
Yeah
and
I
was
thinking.
L
A
D
A
D
Know
that
could
also
demonstrate
a
little
more
of
its
Simplicity.
It's
it's
the
sort
of
not
so
handsome
younger
brother
of
the
of
the
the
big,
the
big
house
there,
but
I
want
to
compliment
you
that
you
know
your
presentation
is
very
good
and
everything
is
there
and
everything
has
been
worked
out
with
a
kind
of
Swiss
Swiss
Precision.
D
N
So
I
have
yeah
I
have
been
guilty
of
over
detailing
accessory
structures,
but
that
is
a
good
point
and
that
would
be
very
reasonable
to
if
the
accessory
structure
didn't
have
the
clip
cable
and
was
a
little
more
simplified
on
the
Gable
cable
ends,
but
I
always
sort
of
default
with
more
detail,
because
you
can
always
take
it
away
and.
L
C
First
of
all,
I
just
I
just
want
to
say
I'll
compliment
you
as
well
as
Mr
Myers
just
did
on
on
the
thoroughness
of
your
presentation.
We
wish
we
had
many
presenters
come
through
with
with
such
thoroughness
as
you
did,
and
it's
very
helpful
to
us,
because
it
gives
us
so
much
more
to
nitpick
yeah.
C
Yeah
but
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
continue
on
a
theme
in
that
it
is.
It
is
very
important
to
me
in
in
historic
preservation,
particularly
with
additions,
that
the
additions
is
not
cheapen
the
original
historic
building
and
by
cheapen
I
mean
basically
become
indistinguishable,
so
that
the
historic
house,
you
can
no
longer
find
the
line
between
the
historic
house
and
the
addition,
and
especially
for
such
an
an
Exquisite
example.
C
I
just
think
it
could
really
use
different
words,
but
what,
in
the
same
vocabulary,
so
the
I'm
I'm
very
concerned
that
there
is
a
lack
of
differentiation
from
the
original
to
the
new
house
and,
yes,
I,
think
you
could
you,
as
Mr
Myers
suggested
you?
Could
you
change
the
scale
of
the
brackets
on
the
addition
or
detail
them
differently
or
route
them?
You
know,
put
a
route
you
know
reveal
around
around
them
so
that
you
can
say:
oh
those
are
all
new
brackets.
Those
are
existing
brackets
kind
of
thing.
C
The
same
with
the
windows.
I
think
you're
going
to
have
original,
true,
divided
windows.
I.
Think
you
mentioned
that
four
over
one.
Would
it
be?
N
N
And
and
there's
also
a
precedent
for
on
this
house,
because
I'll
show
you
if
we
can
go
to
the
yeah
there
you
go,
these
are
original
windows
and
they're
four
over
one
right.
These
are
original
windows
but
they're
one
over
one
and
I
thought.
Well,
that's
really
interesting.
C
I
think
I
think
it's
it's
very
important
to
to
preserve
the
character
of
the
original
house
by
not
copying
it
I
think
that
is
right,
a
a
honorable
thing
and
then
the
department
of
interior
standards
specifically
specifically
state
that
that
you
know
things
are
not
to
be
duplicated,
but
they
are
to
be
compatible,
so
they
can
be
different
and
still
be
compatible,
right
and
and
I
hope.
You
will
take
that
into
consideration.
Okay,.
A
B
N
Well,
actually,
I'm!
Sorry,
let
me
correct
myself:
I
think
there
should
be
a
gate
right
here
and
a
little
concrete
walk,
because
that
you
know
I
had
mentioned
the
importance
of
that
side.
Entrance.
C
B
B
But
yes,
I
would
agree
that
the
walk
probably
should
go
all
the
way
to
the
curb
Edge.
If
you're
going
to
do
that,
but
the
gate
would
be
of
the
same
material,
then
opaque.
A
B
In
your
opinion,
okay,
okay,
look
at
the
elevations
again
the
front
and
then
the
side
from
the
side
street
I
don't
do
directions
anymore,
because
I
get
them
wrong.
B
That's
fine
as
you're
doing
that
I
do
have
a
question.
Have
you
done
any
3D.
B
B
So
is
the
rear
porch
intended
to
be
detailed?
Similarly,
to
the
front
porch
I
mean
I
know
the
the
roof's
different.
Obviously,
but
it
looks
like
the
railing
is
potentially
the
same.
I
know
the
columns
are
different
because
you
had
mentioned
what
they
were
going
to
be
box
columns.
But
what
is
the
railing
like
there
yeah.
N
What
I
do
on
on
back
porches
is
I.
Do
a
sitting
rail
because
usually
we're
not
higher
than
30
inches
above
grade.
It's
an
extra
place
to
sit
to
keep
the
detail,
not
as
labrant
as
front
porch
the
front
porch,
which
has
Square
columns.
It
has
a
pair
of
columns
on
Piers
or
plants.
So
we
didn't
do
that
in
the
back.
You
know
on
the
western
exposure.
N
I
didn't
talk
about
the
porch
by
the
way
this
it
is
a
concrete
porch
it'll,
be
a
broom
finished
concrete
because
that's
a
western
and
exposure
and
would
there's
no
way
wood
would
last.
A
N
N
B
Used
to
have
one
on
their
front,
porch
and
yeah,
it
would
be
if
they,
if
they
do,
intend
to
have
one
just
getting
a
cut
sheet.
N
B
Let
me
see
the
there
are
no
vents
on
the
addition
proposed
Edition
right,
I
see
that
they
are
on
the
existing
bit.
Yes,
in
the
attic,
I
mean
yeah,
because
we're.
L
D
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
well,
let's
you
were
speaking
about
the
doors
and
you
said
they
had
a
fine
wood
grain
on
them.
Yes,
and
but
they
aren't
actually
wood
is
that
that.
N
No
they're
they're,
cellular
PVC
and
you
know
I
know
when
we,
when
you
do
new
penetration
in
a
contributing
structure.
You
know
you
know
we
want
to
use
wood
but
French
sash
type
doors
that
are
wood
to
still
will
hold
up.
You
know,
and
this
would
what
the
the
trim
around
the
glass
is
so
similar
to
original
or
doors
of
that
period.
So
that's
why
I
specified
it.
Okay,.
N
I
I
think
you
know,
I
thought
our
discussion
was
great
and
it
was
great
points
you
know
and
I'll
definitely
be
bullying
open
to
the
conditions
on
some
of
that
like
having
the
maybe
the
accessory
structure,
less
detailed
than
some
of
the
other
things
that
you
all
mentioned,
but
in
the
sort
of
the
overall
picture,
but
I
think
the
very
first
comment
by
Mr
Sutton
was
this
chaotic
busyness?
You
know
that.
N
That's
that's
a
challenge
because
we're
trying
to
break
down
the
massing
of
a
lot
of
area
that
we're
adding
to
the
house
so
I
think
it's
just
a
necessary
evil,
but
I
don't
think
it's
really
an
evil.
I
think
that's
what
makes
Bungalows
look
really
interesting
is
when
you
have
a
lot
of
roof
lines
and
a
lot
going
on
as
long
as
it's
consistent,
it's
not
just
all
different
things,
all
over
so
yeah.
So
that's
that's
my
response.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
H
H
B
B
He's
gonna
call
me
on
everything
tonight,
so
I
I
think
the
the
elephant
in
the
room
is
whether
or
not
there's
enough
differentiation
between
the
old
and
the
new.
B
C
I
think
brackets
can't
be
duplicates
I,
think
the
the
siding
shouldn't
be
the
same
size.
Even
the
brick
facing
of
the
foundation
can
be
a
slightly
different
brick
compatible,
but
slightly
different
than
the
original
obviously
is
going
to
be.
It's
not
going
to
match,
because
the
original
brick
is
is
Brick.
True,.
E
C
Its
own
level
of
differentiation,
it
should
be
subservient
to
the
main
house
right.
So
so
we
have
a
main
house
and
then
we
have
an
addition
on
a
main
house,
and
then
we
have
an
accessory
structure
and
both
the
addition
and
the
accessory
structure
are
supposed
to
be
subservient
to
the
main
house
and
the
sex
restructure,
subservient
to
the
addition,
more
so
on
the
main
house.
C
C
A
C
B
Think
around
was
the
addition
needs
to
go
through
an
edit
and
that
that
edit
means,
let's
really
look
at
it
and
find
the
things
that
maybe
can
be
relieved
of
their
Duty
I
agree
with
commissioner
Sutton's
assessment
that
there's
a
lot
of
detailing
going
on,
and
it
is
it's
it's
a
massive
addition.
There's
no
other
way
of
describing
it
and
I
think
it's
always
beautiful
work
that
Mr
Dobbs
presents,
and
in
another
case
you
know
as
a
a
new
structure
outside
of
it.
You
know
an
addition.
B
I
would
say
it's
just
beautifully
done,
but
I
think
the
the
main
fact
that
we
have
to
consider
this
subservience
in
the
in
the
nature
of
an
addition
to
this
historic
property.
Is
that
to
help
minimize
the
impact
of
this?
This
Edition
is
to
allow
the
beautiful
details
of
the
original
structure
to
shine
and,
let's
reduce,
reduce
the
use
of
and
I
agree.
I
think
the
brackets
are
overused,
I
think
wherever
we
can,
we
can
look
at
taking
the
clipped
Gables
away.
B
Maybe
you
only
use
them
in
a
couple
of
conditions
right
that
give
homage
to
the
original
structure,
but
not
every
elevation
and
then
the
size
of
the
siding,
I,
don't
I,
don't
mind,
it
I
think
the
change
in
materiality
and
the
fact
that
there
are
enough
ins
and
outs
to
keep
them
from
being
completely
aligned.
I
think
you
could
do
it
that
way.
The
color
of
the
brick
is
always
going
to
shine
through
so
I
think
that's
another
way.
Obviously
I
think
it's
almost
there.
B
D
D
I'm
wondering
if
we
need
to
see
this
again
or
if
we
have
supplied
sufficient
Direction,
that
it
can
go
forward.
C
I
think
it's
nice
that
we're
talking
about
reducing
detail
instead
of
having
to
add
it,
because
it's
too
plain
or
you
know,
doesn't
honor
the
neighborhood
enough
kind
of
thing
yeah,
so
I
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
discussion
that
we're
we're
having,
but.
C
B
C
It's
about
it's
about
as
big
an
addition,
as
you
could
put
on
this
house.
I
do
I.
Do
I
really
do
respect
the
fact
that
on
the
second
floor,
it
gets
pulled
back
to
a
line
with
the
original
house.
Porch
gets
pulled
back
to
a
line
with
the
original
house
and
doesn't
extend
the
full
width
of
the
of
the
first
story.
Edition
I
mean
all
those
things
say:
we're
trying
to
maintain
and
respect
the
main
structure
right.
They
do,
but
now
the
duplication,
I
know
and
the
porch
the
porch
is
even
different.
C
It
doesn't
have
brick,
it
doesn't
have
brick
Piers,
it's
subservient,
the
the
railings
lower
and
the
fact
that
we
could
that
that
should
be
a
condition
that
the
railing
not
be
of
a
full
scale
and
a
full
duplication
of
the
front.
I.
C
A
E
C
E
Can't
I
mean
we're
dealing
with
an
architect
for
this
project,
who's
very
well
versed
in
the
nature
of
these
historic
properties
in
the
city
of
Tampa
particular,
particularly
here
in
Tampa
Heights
and
Seminole
Heights,
which
is
very
very
familiar
with.
E
E
Addressing
of
of
of
of
some
detailing
that
for
like
with
the
windows
and
the
brackets,
perhaps
deciding
roof
forms,
perhaps
on
the
accessory
structure,
so
that
we
have
something
that
is
of
a
what
did
I
write
down
here.
A
differentiation
in
detail
and
scale
to
the
original
building
right.
H
C
C
Based
upon
the
finding
of
fact
that
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the,
where
are
we
Tampa,
Heights
Seminole
Heights
design
guidelines
and
the
City
of
Tampa
for
the
following
reasons
that
it
it
honors
the.
C
The
neighborhoods
massing
maintains
quality
within
the
district
and
it's
consistent
with
rhyming
the
Rhythm
and
spacing
of
the
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood.
F
The
agents
requesting
a
five-minute
break
just
to
set
up
for
the
next
case.
M
M
I
I
I
I
Area
the
subject
property
is
located
in
the
Seminole
Heights
historic
district,
the
red
line
shown
as
the
local
Historic
District
boundary,
and
the
blue
is
the
National
Historic
District
boundary.
You
can
see
that
this
subject
site
in
green
here
is
about
Midway
down,
but
north
of
Hillsborough
Avenue
in
the
district
about
a
block
away
from
Florida
Avenue.
I
I
I
And
another
shot
of
that,
the
existing
embryo
of
the
structure.
I
This
is
looking
North
and
within
the
alley,
so
the
subject
property
would
be
to
your
right
and
then
looking
South
in
the
alley,
and
you
can
see
the
existing
and
accessory
structure
on
the
site
there
to
your
left.
I
N
Okay,
good
evening,
my
name
is
Alan
Dobbs
with
Florida
Design,
Studio,
5502,
North,
Cherokee
Avenue,
and
so
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
have
that
five
minutes.
There
are
some
people
here
that
wanted
to
speak
on
this
project
about
this
project,
so
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
could
talk
with
them
first,
so
I
could
address
their
concerns
during
my
presentation.
N
So
basically,
this
project
is
like
many
of
the
projects
in
Seminole
Heights.
You
know
it's
a
young
family,
they
have
a
child
and
they
want
to
add
some
additional
living
space
and
the
space
they
want
to
add
is
they
want
to
add
a
master
suite,
because
their
house
is
a
two-bedroom
right
now
and
they
there's
an
office
in
the
back.
N
Currently,
since
that's
that
part
is
going
to
be
removed,
they're
going
to
move
the
office
to
the
to
the
front
room
and
they
want
to
have
like
a
family
room
in
the
in
the
back
of
the
house
and
then
also
have
a
a
porch
on
the
back
and
then
a
small
utility
room
and
and
a
new
kitchen.
And
then
they
also
wanted
to
do
a
new
accessory
structure
because
they
have
just
that
single
story
structure.
That
is
not
in
very
good
condition.
N
So
we
will
start
with
the
site.
First,
the
the
people
that
are
here
they
had
expressed
some
concerns
about
the
about
the
driveway
and
its
proximity
to
their
driveway,
because
they're
very
close
to
each
other.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
their
driveway
here,
but
you
can
see
where
our
driveway
here
is
here.
In
the
approximate
distance
to
the
property
line.
N
For
so
that's
why
it's
20
feet
and
then
the
rest
of
the
space
goes
goes
this
way,
sorry
and
then,
but
we
kept
the
building
16
foot
wide.
So
where
the
garage
is
it
bumps
out
and
then
there's
a
little
entry
porch
there.
The
actually,
let
me
go
to
a
larger
this
one's
a
little
clearer.
A
N
N
The
addition
off
the
back
of
the
house
is
approximately
21
and
a
half
feet
which
you'll
see
in
the
floor
plan
how
we
arrived
at
that
Dimension,
but
there's
a
Center
Ridge
running
down
this
way,
which
is
higher
than
the
this
Cross
Ridge,
which
is
part
of
the
addition.
So
this
is
subservient
to
this,
and
then
we
have
a
small
bump
out
here
on
this
side
that
stepped
in.
So
we
get
a
Gable
on
the
back
and
then
they
wanted
a
porch.
So
this
this
porch
actually
has
a
roof.
That's
separate
from
this!
N
N
There's
no
fencing
that
we'll
be
adding
along
here,
but
there
will
be
fencing
right
here
for
for
the
in
the
gate
here,
I
should
mention,
even
though
this
is
being
designed
for
garage.
They
don't
want
to
use
it
as
a
garage.
They
want
to
use
it
as
as
like
an
exercise
space
but
I
encourage
them
to
design
it.
So
that
could
be
a
garage.
So
so
that's
why
we
don't
show
any
driveway
here
and
then
there's
some
concrete
steps
here
that
go
up
to
the
ports.
N
That's
concrete
there
and
you
can
see.
Our
setback
is
more
than
the
seven
foot
on
the
side.
We're
bumping
out
just
what
we
need
on
this
side
and
then
on
this
side,
we're
bumping
out
no
further
than
this
existing
bump
out,
which
is
where
the
dining
room
is
right.
Now
things
like
the
air
conditioning
units.
This
is
the
existing
unit.
Well,
the
existing
units
in
this
area
and
it's
just
going
to
be
relocated
there
and
then
the
one
for
the
accessory
building
is
going
to
be
located
here.
N
This
drawing
right
here
shows
the
addition,
so
the
existing
house
is
about
11
a
little
over
1300
square
feet,
but
1107
of
that
which
is
basically
this
right
here.
We
are
altering
some
condition
area
here,
we're
altering
which
is
about
212
square
feet,
but
we're
adding
about
650
square
feet.
So
the
total
house
is
going
to
be
under
2
000
square
feet
of
conditioned
Space
by
time.
We're
done
so.
N
This
Edition,
unlike
the
previous
project,
is
a
little
more
a
little
a
little
less
size
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
and
then
you
can
kind
of
see
the
outline
of
the
addition
there.
This
back
porch
was
in
addition
to
the
house
and
so
that's
being
removed.
The
kitchen
is
not
original
to
the
house,
so
we're
reconfiguring
this
area
in
here.
N
N
The
dining
area
remains
dining,
and
then
this
area
gets
reconfigured
into
a
more
functional
kitchen,
Galley
type
kitchen,
and
then
this
is
where
we're
bumping
out
so
so
this
is
where
we
have
the
pantry
and
utility
here
and
then
the
again
the
family
room,
and
then
this
is
all
the
master
suite
in
this
area
and
there
was
a
bathroom
here
that
is
getting
removed
and
refigured
for
this
bathroom
here.
So
that's,
you
know
with
the
family
room
and
the
pantry
in
this
area
and
then
also
the
master
of
the
closet.
N
That's
what
sort
of
dictated
this
distance
here
and
then
the
master
bathroom?
We
bumped
it
out
just
a
little
bit
for
from
the
porch,
because
we
didn't
want
one
large
Gable
to
go
this
way.
We
wanted
to
break
it
down,
keep
this
Ridge
lower
than
this
Ridge
so
anyway.
So
that's
that's
why
the
building
form
is
is
like
that
the
accessory-
and
you
can
see
here
on
the
roof
plan.
You
have
the
the
main
Ridge
and
then
you
have
the
cross
cable,
which
is
part
of
the
addition.
N
This
is
this
is
like
four
and
a
half
and
12
the
original
roof
slope,
and
then
this
is
3
and
12.
this
porch
here
and
then
and
then
we
have
the
accessory
building.
That
has
the
ridge
running
this
way
and
then
there's
a
lower
one
story:
roof,
which
is
this
part
here
so
the
second
floor
is
very
simple
rectangle,
but
on
the
first
floor
it
it
bumps
out
a
little
bit
right
here.
N
We
looked
at
different
floor
plan
options
as
far
as
what's
going
on
here
but,
like
I,
said
we're
designing
it
for
a
garage,
but
whatever
we
do
on
the
inside,
we're
going
to
respect
this
opening
here
we're
going
to
have
two
small
windows
on
the
side
here
and
then
the
access
for
the
second
floor
is
here
and
then
it's
just
a
big
open
space
with
the
bathroom.
On
the
second
floor.
N
So
the
elevations
it
was
hard
to
get
one
of
the
one
of
the
comments
that
staff
has
was
to
try
and
get
these
elevations
aligned.
But
I
didn't
want
to
cut
the
original
elevation,
so
you
can
see
it's
just
shifted
over
a
little
bit.
So
we
get
this
full
elevation
here,
but
here
you
can
see
the
addition
from
here
over
relative
to
the
house.
So
so
we
have
a
a
Gable
here
with
this
similar
clip
Gable
and
then
we
have
a
lower
slope
roof
over
the
porch,
a
simple
square
column.
N
On
the
back
here
we
have
brick
Piers
with
wood,
lattice
infill
right
now
the
the
house
has
asphalt
shingles,
which
are
not
original.
N
But
you
can
see
it
has
the
larger
exposure,
so
it's
all
in
very
good
condition
and
so
I
think
they're
going
to
leave
that
in
place.
So,
but
if
they
ever
do
remove
it,
you
know
the
wood
should
probably
be
good
underneath
there.
So
so
you
can
see
that
the
siding
on
the
addition
will
be
different
than
the
existing
and
then
on
the
accessory
building.
You
can
see
how
we
have
a
Carriage
House
type
garage
door
with
a
sort
of
a
Craftsman
cell
door
here.
N
I
had
this
hatching
just
to
show
it
as
to
make
it
look
like
it's
a
screen
porch,
but
it's
actually
and
what
we
are
presenting
is
it
to
not
be
a
screen
porch
and
on
the
floor
revised
floor
plan
that
I
have
it's
just
called
a
rear,
porch
and
then
my
clients
will
decide
later
if
they
want
to
screen
it
in
and
if
they
do,
then
they
will
work
with
Arc
or
historic
preservation
staff
at
that
time.
But
you
can
see
on
the
rear
elevation.
N
You
know
the
smaller
Gable,
the
the
cross
cable
here
and
the
the
lower
slope
roof
there
on
the
back.
These
are
actually
concrete
steps
here.
So
we're
gonna,
take
these
concrete
steps
and
relocate
them
here,
but
we're
a
little
bit
lower
because
of
the
porch
here.
So
we
don't
have
to
have
as
many
of
them
and
we
don't
have
to
go
out
as
far
and
then
and
then
on
the
North
side,
elevation
similar
to
the
South
elevation.
We
have
this
element
of
the
building
or
mass
of
the
building
that
projects
out.
N
N
This
is
the
person
door
that
goes
upstairs
and
then
there's
the
the
paradors
to
the
storage
area
or
Workshop,
which
is
basically
two
of
these
doors,
just
side
by
side.
That's
where
the
concrete
slab
is
there
and
these
windows
are
in
the
well
office
area
and
bathrooms.
So
that's
why
they're
smaller
on
that
side,
there.
N
The
next
drawing
has
the
wall
sections
and
window
details,
but
because
they're,
so
small
I
printed
them
larger.
So
so
this
accessory
building
has
a
monolithic,
concrete
slab,
2x4
frame
wall
with
hearty
siding
and
12
inch.
Four
structure,
two
by
four
second
floor
frame
walls,
eight
foot
ceiling
on
the
first
floor
and
second
floor
to
keep
the
scale
of
the
building
as
low
as
possible
and
then
on
the
roof.
We're
we're
going
to
have
engineered
trusses
with
the
two
by
six
top
cord.
N
So
the
wall
section
at
the
the
house
is
it's
a
concrete
block,
structural
Pier
with
thin
brick
veneer
on
the
outside,
and
then
the
siding
comes
all
the
way
down
here
and
then
the
typical
window
detail
which
I'll
get
to
in
a
minute
and
then
I
think
one
of
the
staff
comments
was
clarify.
The
overhang
I
actually
have
a
roof
plan
where
I
have
a
dimension.
It's
it's
two
foot
two.
So
it's
a
little
bit
larger
than
two
feet.
N
N
You
can
see
the
two
by
four
frame
wall,
Gable
interests
with
the
that
clip
Gable
and
it
has
the
soffit
with
the
bracket
or
I
call
it
a
coral
bracket.
That's
supporting
the
the
bar
trafter
right
here.
N
Then
the
window
details
pretty
typical.
These
are
you'll,
have
the
pair
windows
at
the
garage.
So
these
are
similar
or
you
can
see
the
trim.
You
know
the
with
the
one
and
three
quarter
inch
cell,
the
quarter
round
at
the
bottom,
to
cover
the
gap
between
the
siding
and
the
sill,
and
then
the
larger
inch
and
a
half
side
casing
and
then
head
casing
and
drip
cap
and
then
the
wider
spread,
mold
sort
of
represent
the
old
weight
pockets
and
then
the
similar
details
with
the
with
the
windows.
N
So
speaking
of
window,
that
shows
you
know
the
existing
typical
window,
the
Gable
nvent.
This
is
what
it
is
on
the
front,
but
on
the
back
it's
similar,
but
it
doesn't
have
the
window
in
the
middle.
It
looks
like
it
might
have
been
replaced
with
metal
because
you
can
see
it
buckling.
So
it's
basically
going
to
be
something
like
this,
but
with
a
window
in
the
middle
pulled
together.
N
The
the
roof
shingles
are
going
to
be
just
the
standard,
dimensional
asphalt,
shingles
the
look
usually
over
the
carriage
house
or
garage
door
yeah.
We
do
some
sort
of
light
like
this
period,
appropriate
light.
That
casts
a
nice
parabolic
light
pattern
over
the
door
and
then
again
these
craftsman
style
light
at
the
at
the
porch.
N
You
know,
wall
mounted
one
and
I'm
sorry,
but
I
did
not
bring
a
fence
detail
with
me,
but
hopefully
the
board
will
allow
us
to
work
that
out
with
staff,
and
so
the
three
ladies
that
are
here
I
think
they
would
like
to
speak.
They
weren't
sworn
in
so
but
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
before
I
include
my
presentation.
Thank
you.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
Elaine
Lund,
to
start
preservation.
Staff
staff
finds
this
application
consistent
with
the
Seminole
Heights
design
guidelines.
There
were
some
conditions
in
the
staff
report
and
I
believe
the
applicant
has
discussed
those
and
with
that
I
have
no
additional
comments
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Miss.
B
Lynn,
if
we
can
go
ahead
and
have
those
who
are
not
sworn
in
Stand,
please.
G
B
So
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
public
comment
period:
Mr
Dobbs!
If
you
would,
they
they'll
need
yeah.
P
I
think
by
the
talk
that
we
had
with
the
Mr
dabs,
who
is
I
I
a
wonderful
wonderful
asset
in
our
editions
and
the
Seminole
Heights,
we
did
clarify
a
lot
of
stuff.
There
was
a
issue
when
I
looked
at
here
at
the
square
footage
of
the
main
house.
P
My
issue
was
really
very
in
that
direction
since
it
seemed
like
there
was
a
lot
of
house
on
that.
Little
lot
and
really
I
really
comes
from
just
a
Nostalgia,
because
I
ended
up
in
Seminole,
Heights
1987,
so
I.
Just
to
me
it's
changes.
P
People
are
building
this
huge
additions
and
all
that
stuff,
so
I
I
think
that
by
doing
that,
that
little
you
know
the
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
is
just
gonna
prove,
but
it's
neither
here
or
there,
the
wonderful,
our
neighbors
they've
been
neighbors
of
ours
for
a
long
long
time
and
right
now
that
we
have
squared
away
the
issue,
which
is
that
mainly
was
the
the
driveway,
because
with
boat
Park
and
I
have
access
to
the
parking
really
in
between
the
houses.
P
So
when
I
kind
of
looked
at
the
plants
and
I'm,
not
an
architect
or
anything,
I
saw
a
fence
and
the
new
driver
and
I'm
thinking.
Oh
my
God
they're
gonna
put
a
fence
all
the
way
in
the
driveway.
How
are
what's
gonna
happen
here,
but
I
think
that
we
pretty
much
got
an
answer
from
Mr,
Dobbs
and
I.
Have
no
issues
I
think
he's
going
to
do
a
wonderful
job
for
our
wonderful
neighbors.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
H
B
B
H
B
O
Hi
I'm
Ashley
Mulholland,
it's
a-s-h-l-e-y
and
my
last
name
is
m-u-l-h-o-l-l-a-n-d
and
my
address
is
5504
North
Suwanee,
Avenue,
Tampa,
Florida
33604,
so
I
am
on
the
south
side
of
generalina's
house.
My
concern
was
just
the
driveway.
We
do
share
a
driving
space
together.
So
even
now
our
cars
are
pretty
close
together
when
we
are
both
in
the
driveway
so
for
them
bumping
out
their
house.
I
didn't
know
how
that
was
going
to
affect
even
a
small
thing
like
taking
my
recycling
bin.
O
O
Mr
Dobbs
did
say
that
he
was
going
to
bring
the
garage
up
north
a
little
bit
above
our
property
line.
So
that
makes
me
feel
better.
I
was
a
little
little
bit
concerned
that,
forgive
me,
the
awning
or
the
eve
would
go
over
on
our
property
because
they're
so
close
to
each
other.
That's
the
other
concern
I
had,
but
I
think
he
said,
he's
moving
it
forward,
so
just
making
sure
that's
not
over
it
and
having
that
privacy
of
those
two
windows
that
are
in
the
garage
not
directly
staring
into
my
property.
O
E
Mr
Dobbs,
you
went
through
a
lot
of
your
materiality
involving
this.
This
project,
like
the
one
before
you,
are
proposing
a
fairly
significant
Newport
situation
on
the
back
of
this
Edition,
but
I,
don't
recall
you
discussing
materials
for
that,
the
deck
the
ceiling
columns.
Can
you
revisit
that?
For
us,
please
yeah.
N
Okay,
yeah
again
I
apologize
for
not
having
a
port
section,
but
I'm
gonna
put
up
the
the
elevation
that
shows
the
the
ports
from
the
side
and.
N
So
right
and
I
just
noticed
a
conflict
here,
I'm
showing
up
here
with
the
foundation
vent
but
I
call
it
out
as
a
concrete
deck.
So
we're
actually
going
to
do
a
solid
foundation
here
because
they
do
want
the
concrete
deck
here.
So
it'll
be
a
like
a
fine
broom
finished
surface,
that's
painted
a
historically
porch
color
and
then
simple
Square
columns
feels.
N
Yeah,
there's
steps
they're
great
I
encourage
every
contractor
to
use
them
because
they're
made
with
kill
dried
pressure,
treated
wood,
it's
a
manufactured
product.
You
have
a
threaded
Rod
that
goes
up
in
the
middle
and
it's
a
finished
product
other
than
rather
than
trying
to
do
a
6x6
posts,
put
it
in
wet
and
it
twists
and
checks
and
bends
and
just
goes
all
over
the
place
so
they're
a
great
product
so
and
then
the
the
some
sitting
rail,
similar
to
what
we
have
on
the
front.
Porch.
N
It's
just
a
simple
horizontal
rail
and
we
only
have
three
steps
here.
So
technically
we
don't
have
to
have
a
handrail
for
the
steps
and
then
on
the
roof
overhang
for
the
porch.
We
are
going
to
have
exposed
rafter
Tails
we're
going
to
have
a
a
bead
board
ceiling
or
a
tongue
and
groove
v-groove
tongue
and
groove
ceiling.
But
the
simple
trim
detail
at
the
at
the
beam.
The
the
overhang
I
want
to
kind
of
point
that
out
too.
N
So
this
shows
the
the
larger
or
the
two
foot,
two
overhangs
and
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
maintain
the
same
overhang
for
the
dishes.
So
we
get
the
the
clean
45
transition
from
the
new
to
the
existing,
but
the
porch
being
the
shed
roof.
Typically,
those
have
less
overhangs,
so
we're
only
doing
a
12
inch
overhang
here
and
then
a
16
inch
overhang
here
and
that
kind
of
helps
differentiate.
The
port
from
this
bump
out
here
master
bedroom.
So
hopefully
that
answers
your
questions
about.
N
Yeah
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up
yeah,
so
yeah
I
wasn't
sure
if
I
was
going
to
address
that
at
my
Rebel
or
now,
but
I'll
address
it
now
so
yeah.
So
there
is
a
a
four
a
little
over
four
foot
setback
here.
Three
foot
is
code,
but
we
have
the
fire
code
that
we
have
to
deal
with.
You
can't
have
combustible
materials
within
two
feet
of
the
property
line,
so
you
know
so
and
then
also
you're
not
allowed
to
drain
rain
water
off
the
roof
into
this
area.
N
N
How
is
that
being
screened,
Okay,
so
yeah
I
did
talk
about
that
briefly,
I
we're
the
existing
unit
is
in
this
General
vicinity,
so
we're
keeping
it
in
this
vicinity
I'm,
showing
it
right
here,
I'm,
not
showing
any
screening
so
and
I
know
we
need
to
show
screening,
so
I
I
would
expect
that
would
be
a
condition
of
approval.
What
I
don't
know
is
if
we
would
do
it
with
the
fence
or
with
Landscaping,
because
currently
there's
no
there's
no
fencing
in
this
area.
N
Right
here,
which
you
saw
in
the
photos
from
correct
and
then
the
the
air
conditioning
unit
for
the
accessory
structure
is
located
right
here.
Yeah,
that's.
B
I
remember
what
I
was
going
to
ask
I
just
want
to
verify
that
if
you
could
just
scooch
this
plant
up
a
little
bit,
the
concrete
strip
Drive
will
remain,
except
for
where
you're,
putting
the
parking
pad.
That's
required
by
transportation.
Is
that
correct.
N
I
I
probably
should
have
noted
here
we're
going
to
take
them
out
right
here,
because
I
think
they
would
probably
get
destroyed
anyways
during
construction
and
there's
going
to
be
a
fence
or
gate
right
here.
So
so
that's
behind
that.
Okay
and
historic
preservation
staff
has
allowed
us
to
do
that
in
the
past.
The
driveway
not
continue
to
the
garage.
If
there's
a
an
opaque
offense.
B
N
That's
a
good
point,
no
I
think
probably
maybe
we
should
extend
the
parking
pad
too.
So
you
go
through
the
gate.
B
N
No
I
think
I
think
everything's
been
addressed.
I
I
really
appreciate
these.
Ladies
coming
because
I
know
that's
a
lot
of
time
sitting
and
waiting,
so
hopefully
I
addressed
all
their
concerns.
Thank
you.
E
In
a
related
matter
to
the
previously
presented
project,
this
we
have
the
differentiation
that
we
were
talking.
We
were
talking
about
very
simply
presented
no,
no
theatrics.
It's
there.
C
And
it
makes
a
difference
and
you
can
paint
it
all
the
same
color,
but
you
know
any
semi,
architecturally
educated
person
can
walk
by
and
go
that's
original.
This
is
that's
the
addition
and
no
and
I
think
even
I
saw
that
you
know
the
the
Gable
fence
were
differentiated
in
the
addition
from
the
original
yeah
I
really
don't
have
any
any
Christmas.
L
D
Because
they're
well,
I
can't
and
I
can't
have
an
opinion
about
the
the
colonial
insulation
either.
G
H
B
B
C
It's
all
on
your
hands,
I
mean
besides
I,
think
besides
the
windows
and
the
doors
being
clarified,
and
the
screening
of
the
HVAC
unit
to
the
new
one
from
the
park
had.
N
C
B
H
E
C
C
For
the
property
at
5506,
North,
Suwanee
Avenue,
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
applicant
coordinate
with
staff
on
screening
of
the
HVAC
unit,
clarification
of
exact
windows
and
door,
makes
manufacturers
that
the
original
concrete
ribbons
be
preserved.
Outboard
of
any
fencing
that
the
vent
detail
be
clarified
in
the
new
edition
and
that
there
be
clarification
of
the
porch
section
and
materials
because,
based
upon
the
finding
effect,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent.
C
The
Seminole
Heights
design
guidelines
of
the
city
of
Tampa
for
the
following
reasons,
the
project
proportions
and
window
patterns,
trim
and
detail
and
are
compatible
with
the
district
and
they
the
project,
maintains
materials,
alignment
Rhythm
and
spacing
of
the
district.
B
B
D
I
move
that
all
documents
submitted
this
evening
and
which
are
not
on
the
record,
shall
be
received
and
filed
along
with
the
the
other
documents
for
this
meeting.
F
F
I
had
spoken
about
this
with
the
chair
today
and
apparently
there
was
perhaps
some
Commissioners
didn't
realize
we
were
doing
this
tonight.
So
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
board,
we
can,
we
can
postpone
this
a
month
and
I
can
make
a
more
direct
notification
to
the
Commissioners
that
aren't
present
at
this
evening's
meeting
that
we'd
hold
this
election
in
May.
That's
up
to
you,
it's
your
discretion!
It's
your
rules,
so
I'm
open
to
whatever
your
preferability
is.
If
we
do
con,
if
we
do
continue
it,
it
would
be
the
May
1st
public
here.
E
I
would
recommend
that
that
the
the
election
of
officers
be
forwarded
to
the
next
available
meeting.
I
think
it's
important
that
that
all
members
of
this
board
present
or
not
are
informed
of
the
need
to
make
a
decision
if
there
is
a
particular
roster
of
candidates
that
are
in
mind
or
proposal
for
who
to
do
what
kind
of
a
position
be
brought
forward
before
a
vote
is
taken
and
we
and
I
think
we
need
that
that
buffer
of
time
between
the
notice,
the
information,
the
feedback
in
order
to
do
our
that
job
properly.
E
F
Place
that
on
the
May
agenda-
and
that
will
conclude
our
business
for
this
evening.