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A
Good
evening.,
I
would
like
to
call
to
order.
I
would
like
to
call
to
order
the
august
3rd
public
hearing
the
august
3rd
public
hearing
for
the
city
of
tampa's
for
the
city
of
tampa's.
Architectural.
Review.
Commission.-
architectural
review
commission.-
welcome,
everyone.,
welcome,
everyone..
My
name
is
zachary
greco,
chair.
A
A
time
to
make
your
presentation.,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough,
but
so
we
suggest
being
thorough,
but
concise.
concise.
when
coming
to
the
microphone,
when
coming
to
the
microphone,
you'll
need
to
identify
yourself.
You'll
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
project.
commissioners
will
not
ask
any
commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
questions
during
your
presentation.
presentation..
Your
project
should
be
presented.
A
Your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
site
in
the
following:
order:
site:
plans,
elevations,,
architectural
plans,,
elevations,,
architectural
details,
and
wall
sections.,
details,
and
wall
sections.
staff
will
then
present.
The
staff
will
then
present
the
staff
report,
and
we
will
then
staff
report
and
we
will
then
ask
the
public
for
comment..
A
Ask
the
public
for
comment.
following
your
presentation,,
the
following,
your
presentation,,
the
commissioners
will
be
asking
commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
questions
in
the
same
order
as
the
presentation.,
the
presentation.,
please
state,
and
spell
your
name,
please
state
and
spell
your
name
clearly
if
you
are
here
to
speak
clearly,
if
you
are
here
to
speak,
either
for
or
against
a
project.,
either
for
or
against
a
project.,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes,.
So
take
some
time
three
minutes,.
So
take
some
time
now.
A
To
summarize
your
comments
now,
to
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
go
by
very
because
three
minutes
go
by
very
quickly.
quickly.
following
public
comment,,
the
following
public
comment,,
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes.
Applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal..
For
rebuttal.,
the
public
hearing
will
then
be.
A
The
public
hearing
will
then
be
closed.
closed..
The
only
comments
which
will
be
the
only
comments
which
will
be
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
is
closed,
will
be
in
response
to
is
closed
will
be
in
response
to
any
questions
from
the
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
commissioners.
commissioners
will
then
discuss.
A
The
arc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional,
responsibilities.
jurisdictional,
responsibilities.
owners
and
agents.
Are
owners
and
agents
are
independently
responsible
to
independently
responsible
to
obtain
any
appropriate
permits,
obtain
any
appropriate
permits?
And/Or
approvals.
A
B
D
A
A
C
A
E
E
attendance,
this
evening.
under
announcements,,
we
are
under
announcements,.
We
are
having
a
public
hearing
on
having
a
public
hearing
on
august
5,,
which
is
wednesdy
in
august
5,,
which
is
wednesdy
in
this
room..
This
room.
we
have
a
full
agenda..
We
have
a
full
agenda..
We
have
five
cases.,
we
have
five
cases.
and
then
also
under
and
then
also
under
announcements,
in
each
of
your
announcements,.
In
each
of
your
packets,,
we
have
the
staff.
E
F
F
F
On
the
agenda
this
evening,
no.
no.
no,
ma'am.,
no,
ma'am.,
I
do
not..
I
do
not.
camaria
pettis-mackle:
thank
camaria
pettis-mackle:
thank
you.,
you.
additionally,
have
any
of
the
additionally,.
Have
any
of
the
commissioners
had
any
ex
parte
commissioners
had
any
ex
parte
communications
regarding
any
of.
E
G
E
E
E
E
E
--
received
demolition
on
12,
december
03
of
'19.
december
03
of
'19.,
also
moving
forward
and
also
moving
forward
and
preparing
the
grounds
that
the
preparing
the
grounds
that
the
owners
seek
a
design
exception
owners
seek
a
design
exception
for
the
north
side
yard
setback
for
the
north
side
yard
setback
from
seven
foot
to
six
foot.
E
from
seven
foot
to
six
foot..
That
is
an
administrative
that
is
an
administrative
function
that
is
delegated
to
function
that
is
delegated
to
the
land,
development,
zoning,
the
land,
development,
zoning,
administrator.
administrator.
and
in
working
with
and
in
working
with
preservation,.
That
was
granted.
E
Additionally,
in
june,
the
agent
requested
some
varianes
requested
some
varianes
attached
to
this
parcel.
attached
to
this
parcel..
There
were
three
variances
that
there
were
three
variances
that
were
reviewed
and
denied
at
that
were
reviewed
and
denied
at
that
time.
time..
So
in
front
of
you,
this
evening,
so
in
front
of
you,
this
evening,
there
are
no,.
I
don't
have.
As
there
are
no,
I
don't
have
as
attached
to
--.
There
are
no
attached
to
--.
There
are
no
variances
attached
to
the
variances
attached
to
the
request.
E
Moving
to
the
photo
essay,,
this
is
an
overhead
shot
showing
the
is
an
overhead
shot,
showing
the
property
in
question,
property
in
question,,
highlighted
in
the
green
box.
highlighted
in
the
green
box.
face
rome
avenue,
which
runs
face,
rome
avenue,
which
runs
north
and
south.
north
and
south.
to
the
north.
You
have
richardson
to
the
north,
you
have
richardson
and
there
is
no
alley
access
to
and
there
is
no
alley
access
to
this
property..
E
E
E
E
E
E
Is
constructed
in,
I
think
2000..
This
is
also
a
noncontributing.
This
is
also
a
noncontributing
structure,
but
it
was
reviewed
by
structure,
but
it
was
reviewed
by
this
board
and
received
this
board
and
received
approval.
approval..
As
you
look
directly
across
the
as
you
look
directly
across
the
street
from
the
subject.
Site,.
E
E
E
E
From
page
61,,
it
touches
upon
design
of
compatible
new
design
of
compatible
new
construction.
construction.,
the
major
development
in
hyde,
the
major
development
in
hyde
park,
historic
district,
extended
park,
historic
district
extended
from
the
late
1880s
through
from
the
late
1880s
through
the
mid
1920s..
E
E
Within
the
hyde
park,
historic
district
can
have
a
positive
district,
can
have
a
positive
revitalization
impact
on
the
revitalization
impact
on
the
district.
If
steps
are
taken
to
district,
if
steps
are
taken
to
ensure
that
the
historic,
ensure
that
the
historic,
architectural,
and
cultural
architectural,
and
cultural
features
of
the
district
are
features
of
the
district
are
preserved
and
enhanced.,
preserved
and
enhanced.,
the
focus
of
these
guidelines
is
the
focus
of
these
guidelines
is
on
the
compatibility
of
new
on
the
compatibility
of
new
construction
with
the
existing
construction,
with
the
existing
character
of
the
neighborhood.
E
character
of
the
neighborhood.
and
then
to
conclude
with
a
and
then
to
conclude
with
a
paragraph,.
It
talks
about
these
paragraph,.
It
talks
about
these
guidelines.
Do
not
dictate
style,
guidelines,
do
not
dictate
style,,
but
they
set
up
criteria
under,
but
they
set
up
criteria
under
which
the
new
design
can
be
which
the
new
design
can
be
accurately
compared
to
the
accurately
compared
to
the
setting
in
the
historic
setting
in
the
historic
district.
district.
new
construction
is
encouraged.
E
E
H
H
H
H
Denied
with
the
variances
and
we
tucked
and
pulled
and
redesigned
tucked
and
pulled
and
redesigned
the
front
facade,
so
we
could
the
front
facade,
so
we
could
compl
with
all
of
the
zoning
compl
with
all
of
the
zoning
criteria,
so
we're
not
requesting
criteria
so
we're
not
requesting
any
variances.
This
evening.
H
H
H
With
a
tongue
and
groove
soffit
on
the
underside.
on
the
underside.,
so
we're
representing
that
so
we're
representing
that
across
the
front,
rather
than
a
across
the
front
rather
than
a
larger
front,
porch,
that
we
larger
front
porch
that
we
previously
showed.
previously
showed..
This
is
the
house
as
you
move.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Well,
as
the
three-story
element
along
rome,
avenue.
along
rome,
avenue.
to
the
south
of
that
at
1109
to
the
south
of
that
at
1109
south
rome,.
There
is
a
south
rome,.
There
is
a
neoclassical
newer,
construction,
neoclassical,
newer,
construction,,
front-facing,
garage.,
front-facing,
garage.
and
then
along
bayshore
and
then
along
bayshore,
boulevard
and
rome
avenue.
H
Boulevard
and
rome
avenue
there's
a
large
mediterranean
there's
a
large
mediterranean
revival,
style,
home,,
again,,
also
revival
style,
home,
again,
also
has
a
three-story
volume
on
the
has
a
three-story
volume
on
the
front
facade.
front
facade.
the
purpose
of
presenting
those
the
purpose
of
presenting
those
to
you
is
not
only
to
show,.
I.
H
H
H
H
H
Typical
street
frontage.,
one
of
the
important
things
when
one
of
the
important
things
when
addressing
the
scale
and
the
addressing
the
scale
and
the
massing
is
to
look
at
that
massing,
is
to
look
at
that
facade.
facade.,
starting
at
the
corner
of
hills,
starting
at
the
corner
of
hills
and
rome.
Avenue,
there
is
a
and
rome
avenue,.
There
is
a
relatively
new
construction,,
relatively
new
construction,
four-story,
multifamily
project.,
four-story,,
multifamily,
project.
and
then
across
the
street
on
and
then
across
the
street
on
1011
south
rome,.
There's
two
and.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
We
did
request
a
design
exception,
2
earlier,
in
the
year
exception
2
earlier
in
the
year,
to
request
a
one-foot
side
to
request
a
one-foot
side,
setback
reduction
on
the
north
setback
reduction
on
the
north
facade.
facade..
The
purpose
of
the
request
was
the
purpose
of
the
request
was
to
push
the
house
to
the
north
to
push
the
house
to
the
north
in
order
to
allow
enough
room
in
order
to
allow
enough
room
for
a
drive
aisle
to
the
rear
for
a
drive
aisle
to
the
rear,
detached
accessory,
structure.
H
Between
the
garage
and
the
rear
porch
in
order
to
just
provide
porch
in
order
to
just
provide
shelter
in
rainstorms.
shelter
in
rainstorms.,
we
know
summer
rains
are
tough.
We
know
summer.
Rains
are
tough
to
deal
with
if
you
have
to
deal
with,
if
you
have
groceries.
groceries.,
so
we
do
have
a
ribbon
--.
We.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
That
do
encroach
upon
that,,
but
that,
again,
is
less
than
30.
That,
again,
is
less
than
30
inches.
inches..
It's
not
considered
a
portion
of
it's
not
considered
a
portion
of
the
buildable
or
the
structure,
the
buildable
or
the
structure
that
needs
to
comply
with
the
that
needs
to
comply
with
the
setbacks.
H
H
H
heavily
in
the
variance
meeting..
We
are
also
well
off
of
that.
We
are
also
well
off
of
that
line,,
so
we're
not
encroaching
line,,
so
we're
not
encroaching
with
any
roof
overhangs
or
with
any
roof
overhangs
or
anything.
anything..
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
was.
Clear.
H
H
We
have
a
small
juliet-style
balcony
that
comes
off
of
the
balcony,
that
comes
off
of
the
bedroom,,
but
that's
really
a
bedroom,,
but
that's
really
a
smaller
landing
spot
than
what
smaller
landing
spot
than
what
we
showed
on
the
previous
we
showed
on
the
previous
design.
design..
The
third
floor
is
split
between
the
third
floor
is
split
between
the
master
suite
and
then
some
the
master
suite
and
then
some
roof
terraces.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
feet
for
an
average
grade.,
as
it
shows,
the
top
of
our
as
it
shows,
the
top
of
our
roof,,
the
roof
deck
for
our
roof,.
The
roof
deck
for
our
house
is
at
the
35-foot
house
is
at
the
35-foot
buildable
maximum
level.
buildable
maximum
level..
It
steps
down
in
some
areas,
and
it
steps
down
in
some
areas,,
and
then
we
have
a
parapet
wall.
H
Then
we
have
a
parapet
wall
feature
that
does
extend
beyond
feature
that
does
extend
beyond
that
by
18
inches.
that
by
18
inches..
So
that
is
considered
an
so
that
is
considered
an
architectural
feature
and
is
architectural
feature
and
is
really
just
to
kind
of
give
a
really
just
to
kind
of
give
a
variation
of
mass.
H
Variation
of
mass.,
so
the
actual
top
of
roof
meets
so
the
actual
top
of
roof
meets
the
zoning
criteria
and
then
the
zoning
criteria
and
then
architectural
features
are
architectural
features,
are
allowed
to
go
beyond
that
up
to
allowed
to
go
beyond
that
up
to
40
feet.
40
feet.
in
our
case,
as
the
property
in
our
case,
as
the
property
slopes
toward
the
rear,
we're
slopes
toward
the
rear,,
we're
actually
--,
it's
benefiting
us,,
actually
--.
It's
benefiting
us,
the
massing
of
our
project.
H
H
H
This
is
the
north
elevation.
again,.
Forgive
me
for
rushing
again,.
Forgive
me
for
rushing
through,.
We
are
showing
a
through,.
We
are
showing
a
mixture
of
materials.
mixture
of
materials..
Here
you
can
see
on
the
here.
You
can
see
on
the
accessory
structure,
we're
at
the
accessory
structure,
we're
at
the
22.5-foot
height
limit,
approved,
22.5-foot
height
limit
approved
in
the
design
exception
1.
H
in
the
design
exception.
1..
We
have
a
brick
facade,
which
we
have
a
brick
facade,
which
we'll
show
examples
of,
as
the
we'll
show
examples
of.
As
the
presentation
goes,
on.
presentation
goes:
on.
hardie
board,
siding,,
six-inch,
hardie,
board,
siding,
six-inch
exposure,,
smooth
finish.,
exposure,,
smooth
finish.,
again,,
low
slope,
aluminum
again,,
low
slope,
aluminum,
roofing.
roofing..
This
element
has
hardie
board.
H
This
element
has
hardie
board
siding.
siding.
we're
going
to
do
a
smooth,
we're
going
to
do
a
smooth,
stucco.
stucco..
Some
of
these
lines
are
showing
some
of
these
lines
are
showing
control
joints
with
an
aluminum
control
joints
with
an
aluminum
window
system.
window
system.
again,
a
brick
facade
that
steps
again,
a
brick
facade
that
steps
in
that
we're
going
to
have
our
in
that
we're
going
to
have
our
mechanical
units
on
a
plinth
at
mechanical
units
on
a
plinth
at
the
flood
elevation,
but
behind
the
flood
elevation.
H
H
H
H
H
elevations
of
the
garage.
again,.
There's
volume
shown
to
again,
there's
volume
shown
to
the
garage
and
we'll
show
in
the
the
garage
and
we'll
show
in
the
building
sections,,
but
it's
building
sections,,
but
it's
mainly
to
accomplish
storage.,
mainly
to
accomplish
storage.,
there's
no
living
area
or
actual.
H
Staircase
to
get
up
there.,
storage,
loft
and
care,
lift
that
storage,
loft
and
care.
Lift
that
allows
an
extra
car
to
be
parked
allows
an
extra
car
to
be
parked
in
the
garage.
in
the
garage..
This
is
the
section
showing
how
this
is
the
section
showing
how
the
massing
steps
from
the
front
the
massing
steps
from
the
front
facade.
facade..
We
do
have
a
three-story
element.
H
H
H
H
H
Where
we
have
stucco
shown,
we're
going
to
do
a
one-inch,,
we're
going
to
do
a
one-inch,
and
where
we
have
brick
that
and
where
we
have
brick
that
continues
down
to
the
grade,,
continues
down
to
the
grade,.
We'll
do
a
half-inch
step-out
of
we'll
do
a
half-inch
step-out
of
the
brick
to
achieve
the
line
at.
H
The
water
table.-
this
is
a
section
through
the
this-
is
a
section
through
the
front
porch.
front
porch.
we're
showing
a
22
and
a
half
we're
showing
a
22
and
a
half
inch
step-up
from
the
sidewalk
inch
step-up
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
front
porch
and
then
a
to
the
front
porch
and
then
a
4-inch
step-up
into
the
house.
H
H
This
is
a
section
cut
through
the
third-floor
terrace,
showing
the
third-floor
terrace,
showing
the
metal
railing
detail,,
how
the
metal
railing
detail,,
how
we're
addressing
the
brick
and
we're
addressing
the
brick
and
the
stone.
the
stone..
Above
all,
of
the
details
where,
above
all
of
the
details
where
we
have
a
brick
condition,
over,
we
have
a
brick
condition,
over
the
windows,,
we're
providing
a
the
windows,
we're
providing
a
metal
channel
that
will
be
metal
channel.
That
will
be
painted
bronze
to
match
the.
H
H
Slopes
to
the
side,
and
then
the
metal
roof
at
the
parapet,
metal
roof
at
the
parapet,
condition,
and
then
here
is
the
condition,.
And
then
here
is
the
roof.
Overhang
detail
at
the
roof
overhang
detail
at
the
accessory
structure.
accessory
structure.
we're
going
to
do
a
bead
board,
we're
going
to
do
a
bead
board,
soffit.
soffit.
we'll
do
aluminum-wrapped.
H
H
H
our
roof
overhangs.,
that
is
a
12-foot
overhang.,
that
is
a
12-foot
overhang.
purposes
of
that
is
to
make
sure
purposes
of
that
is
to
make
sure
we're
maintaining
the
five-foot
we're
maintaining
the
five-foot
separation
between
the
primary
separation
between
the
primary
structure
and
the
accessory
structure
and
the
accessory
structure.
structure..
How
am
I
doing
on
time?.
H
H
This
is
a
section
through
the
side,
canopy
structure.
side,
canopy
structure.
we're
showing
a
vehicular
gate.,
we're
showing
a
vehicular
gate.,
the
ribbon
driveway,
part
of
our
the
ribbon
driveway,
part
of
our
drainage
system,,
and
then
this
drainage,
system,.
And
then
this
is
a
part
of
the
stucco
wall.
H
H
This
is
a
section
showing
how
we're
addressing
the
we're
addressing
the
relationship
of
the
condensing
relationship
of
the
condensing
units
on
the
north
side.
units
on
the
north
side.
we're
just
building
a
metal,
we're
just
building
a
metal
plinth
and
then
also
doing
a
plinth
and
then
also
doing
a
six-foot
wood
fence.
That
has.
H
Six-Foot
wood
fence
that
has
one-by-fours
horizontally
one-by-fours
horizontally
screwed
into
the
four-by-four
screwed
into
the
four-by-four,
framing
members.,
framing
members..
So
at
no
point
from
the
front
or
so
at
no
point
from
the
front
or
north
side,
will
you
see
the
north
side?
Will
you
see
the
condensing
units
from
the
condensing
units
from
the
street.
H
H
H
H
H
The
stucco
will
be
a
white,
smooth
painted
stucco.,
smooth
painted
stucco.
and
then
we're
going
to
do
a
and
then
we're
going
to
do
a
roman-style,
brick.
roman-style
brick.,
we're
still
trying
to
narrow
we're
still
trying
to
narrow
down
the
exact
color,,
but
we're
down
the
exact
color,
but
we're
proposing
--.
I
have
an
example.
H
Or
hold
it
up?,
so
it's
a
roman-style
brick.,
so
it's
a
roman-style
brick..
It
is
a
thinner
exposure
and
a
it
is
a
thinner
exposure
and
a
longer
brick
than
typical,
brick,
longer
brick
than
typical
brick,.
But
I
think
in
this
case,
we're,
but
I
think
in
this
case,
we're
trying
to
show
more
contemporary
trying
to
show
more
contemporary
style
that
fits
well
with
style
that
fits
well
with
architecture.
architecture..
This
is
close
to
the
color.
This
is
close
to
the
color
scheme.
We're
looking
at.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
Metal
roof,
do
a
one-inch,
mechanically
seamed
roofing,
mechanically
seamed
roofing
system.
That's
allowed
to
be
put
system,
that's
allowed
to
be
put
on
a
low
slope.
on
a
low
slope.
and
then
what
we're
showing
here
and
then
what
we're
showing
here
is
also
just
how
those
metal
is
also
just
how
those
metal
elements
and
the
wood
kind
of
elements
and
the
wood
kind
of
come
together.
H
H
H
Just
an
example
of
low-slope
membrane
type
of
roof
that
we're
membrane
type
of
roof
that
we're
proposing.
proposing.
for
windows,.
We're
proposing
to
for
windows,
we're
proposing
to
use
an
aluminum
window.
System,
use
an
aluminum
window,
system,
very
contemporary,
by
es
very
contemporary,
by
es
windows.
H
H
H
On
the
front,
door,
we're
doing
a
steel,
door,
and
then
other
areas,
steel,
door,
and
then
other
areas
we're
just
doing
a
french
we're
just
doing
a
french
aluminum
door,
system.,
aluminum
door
system..
These
are
areas
where
we're
these
are
areas
where
we're
going
to
have
doors
on
the
front
going
to
have
doors
on
the
front
terrace
coming
out
of
the
terrace
coming
out
of
the
kitchen
to
the
rear,
lanai.
H
H
H
H
with
a
smooth
finish.,
just
an
example
of
other
just
an
example
of
other
contemporary
architecture
that
contemporary
architecture.
That
has
that
style.
has
that
style..
This
is
a
house
around
the
this
is
a
house
around
the
corner,
new
construction,
corner,
new
construction,
obviously,,
traditional
style,
obviously,,
traditional
style,,
but
it
has
smooth
six-inch,
but
it
has
smooth
six-inch
exposure
hardie
as
well.
H
H
retaining
wall.
we're
going
to
propose
up
to
a
we're
going
to
propose
up
to
a
12-inch
high,
retaining
wall
12-inch
high,
retaining
wall
along
the
sidewalk.
along
the
sidewalk..
I
say
up
to
12
because,
that's
I
say
up
to
12
because
that's
going
to
be
the
highest
point
or
going
to
be
the
highest
point
or
the
lowest
point.,
the
lowest
point.
--,
I'm
sorry,
the
highest
point:
--,
I'm
sorry,
the
highest
point:
sort
of
slopes
with
the
grade
sort
of
slopes
with
the
grade
along
rome.
H
H
H
Approved.
again,,
this
is
just
showing
again,.
This
is
just
showing
examples
along
rome,
avenue
of
examples
along
rome,
avenue
of
retaining
walls.
retaining
walls.
our
motor
court,,
we're
using
our
motor
court,,
we're
using
turf
block
to
help
with
the
turf
block
to
help
with
the
impervious
surfaces
and
also
impervious
surfaces,
and
also
just
because
it
adds
more
just
because
it
adds
more
greenspace,,
more
play,
area.
H
H
H
The
street.
drainage
is
accounted
for
in
all
drainage
is
accounted
for
in
all
areas.
areas..
This
is
the
front
of
the
house.
This
is
the
front
of
the
house
as
proposed.
as
proposed..
We
really
appreciate
your
time.
We
really
appreciate
your
time.
This
evening.,
this
evening.
we've
worked
hard
with
staff
to
we've,
worked
hard
with
staff
to
try
and
present
something
that
try
and
present
something
that
we
hope
can
get
approved
and
we
hope
can
get
approved
and
considered.
This
evening.
H
H
A
E
E
present
the
staff
report.
ron,
vila:
good
evening.
ron,
vila:
good
evening.
ron,
vila,
staff
with
historic
ron,
vila,
staff
with
historic,
preservation.
preservation.
staff
finds
this
is
consistent.
Staff
finds
this
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park
design
with
the
hyde
park,
design,
guidelines.
guidelines.
initially,.
We
started
with
the
initially,.
We
started
with
the
owners
and
the
architect
for
him.
E
Owners
and
the
architect
for
him
to
define
the
style
of
to
define
the
style
of
architecture.
architecture.
and
then
once
he
defines
the
and
then
once
he
defines
the
style,
to
stay
within
that
style,
to
stay
within
that
vocabulary
and
move
forward.
vocabulary
and
move
forward..
It
is
a
very
complete.
E
E
E
E
Discuss
the
connector,,
a
kind
of
--
kind
of
went
over
the
--
kind
of
went
over
the
connector,
quickly.,
connector
quickly.
and
then
to
conclude
the
and
then
to
conclude
the
materials
on
the
front,
porch
and
materials
on
the
front
porch,
and
how
the
walkway
terminates
into
how
the
walkway
terminates
into
that
front.
Porch
and
the.
A
A
Thank
you.,
zachary
greco:
thank
you.,
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
at
this
point,.
We
will
open
the
at
this
point,.
We
will
open
the
public
hearing
to
any
public
public
hearing
to
any
public
comment,.
If
anyone
would
like
to
comment,,
if
anyone
would
like
to
speak
either
for
or
against
the
speak,
either
for
or
against
the
project,,
please
let
me
know.
project,,
please
let
me
know.
just
so
you
know,,
we
do
have
two
just
so
you
know,.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
That
have
been
proposed
tonight
are
appropriate
in
terms
of
the
are
appropriate
in
terms
of
the
scale
and
the
site
coverage
of
scale
and
the
site
coverage
of
the
proposed
structure,,
and
I
do
the
proposed
structure,
and
I
do
have
a
couple
of
photos.
I
did
have
a
couple
of
photos.
I
did
want
to
show
you.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
house
into
so
little
space.
and
the
rest
of
that
space
is
a
and
the
rest
of
that
space
is
a
storage,
loft.
storage
loft..
So
this
is
not
--,
there
is
a
so
this
is
not
--.
There
is
a
huge
house
in
front
of
it,.
You
huge
house
in
front
of
it,.
You
think
there
would
be
storage
in
think
there
would
be
storage
in
there.
there..
I
don't
know
why
they
need
a.
I
to
park
their
cars..
Looking
at
the
hyde
park
design,
looking
at
the
hyde
park,
design
guidelines,,
they
say
that
the
guidelines,
they
say
that
the
focus
of
design
guidelines
is
on
focus
of
design.
Guidelines
is
on
compatibility
of
new
structures,
compatibility
of
new
structures
with
existing
character
of
the
with
existing
character
of
the
neighborhood.
I
I
The
neighborhood
is
nothing
like
that
accessory
structure.
that
accessory
structure..
They
also
say
that
the
new
they
also
say
that
the
new
construction
should
reflect.
The
construction
should
reflect
the
basic
scale,
materials
and
basic
scale,
materials
and
quality
found
in
the
early
quality
found
in
the
early
buildings
in
hyde
park.
I
I
I
Are
speaking
about
orientation
sight
coverage
say
the
committee
sight
coverage
say
the
committee
will
look
at
the
percentage
of
will
look
at
the
percentage
of
the
site
that
the
building
the
site
that
the
building
covers
compared
to
nearby
covers
compared
to
nearby
buildings.
buildings.
well,.
If
you
look
at
the
nearby
well,,
if
you
look
at
the
nearby
buildings
on
either
side
and
buildings
on
either
side
and
then
my
house,
on
the
back
of
it,.
I
Then
my
house,
on
the
back
of
it,,
we're
not
covering
80,
85,
we're
not
covering
80,
85
percent
of
the
property,
with
percent
of
the
property
with
buildings.
buildings.
there's,
essentially
no
room
on
there's,
essentially
no
room
on
this
property
other
than
the
this
property
other
than
the
buildings
themselves.
buildings
themselves..
I
don't
think
that's
consistent.
I
I
The
guidelines
also
say
that
lot
coverage
should
be
of
similar
coverage
should
be
of
similar
proportion
to
the
site
coverage
proportion
to
the
site
coverage
on
adjacent
lots.
on
adjacent
lots..
I've
shown
you
the
three
I've
shown
you
the
three
adjacent
lots,,
what
they
are
adjacent
lots,.
What
they
are
proposing
here
is
not
similar
to
proposing
here,
is
not
similar
to
any
of
those
lots.
I
A
A
J
J
J
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
J
H
Think
we
saw
a
picture
of
it..
This
is
a
typical
section..
This
is
a
typical
section.,
we'll
do
a
six-foot
high
wood,
we'll
do
a
six-foot,
high
wood,
fence.
fence.!
It's
going
to
have
a
cap
across
it's
going
to
have
a
cap
across
the
entire
length,
and
then
a
the
entire
length,
and
then
a
one
by
four
horizontal
slats
one
by
four
horizontal
slats,
with
a
one-inch
space
between.
H
H
H
H
off
of
the
front
office.,
the
majority
oft
front
porch
the
majority
oft
front
porch
is
clad
with
brick.
is
clad
with
brick.
in
front
of
the
office,.
There
is
in
front
of
the
office,.
There
is
stucco
detail,,
so
I
think
the
stucco
detail,.
So
I
think
the
question
was:
how
does
the
question
was?
How
does
the
material
engage,
the
rest
of
the.
D
H
Though,
in
the
gate,
they
both
kind
of
look
like
they
are
kind
of
look
like
they
are
metal,,
but
you
are
saying
they
metal,,
but
you
are
saying
they
are.
Wood.
are
wood.
the
appearance
on
the
graphic.,
the
appearance
on
the
graphic.
yes,
ma'am,,
it's
going
to
be
yes,
ma'am,.
It's
going
to
be
a
painted
fence
as
well.
H
D
D
D
D
H
With
no
windows?
honestly,,
I
thought
more
in
honestly,
I
thought
more
in
respecting
the
neighbors,
I
respecting
the
neighbors,.
I
didn't
think
they
would
want
didn't
think
they
would
want
windows
looking
into
their
yard
windows
looking
into
their
yard.
Even
though
there's
no
function,
even
though
there's
no
function
of
the
space.
of
the
space.,
it's
just
volume,,
so
we
didn't
it's
just
volume,,
so
we
didn't
see
a
need
to
place
windows.
H
H
There's
no
really
visible
angle,
with
the
exception
of
neighbors.,
with
the
exception
of
neighbors.,
but
in
our
defense,
there
is
no,
but
in
our
defense,
there
is
no
other
place
to
put
a
garage
on
other
place
to
put
a
garage
on
this
site..
This
site.
we're
not
allowed
to
put
it
we're,
not
allowed
to
put
it
along
the
front.
H
along
the
front..
It
really
leaves
one
of
those.
It
really
leaves
one
of
those
corners.
corners..
The
massing
was
approved
with
the
massing
was
approved
with
the
design
exception
that
allows
the
design
exception
that
allows
us
to
go
to
22
and
a
half
feet,
us
to
go
to
22
and
a
half
feet,,
and
there
was
the
ability
to,
and
there
was
the
ability
to
have
public
comment
when
we
have
public
comment
when
we
applied
for
that-
and
we
didn't
applied
for
that,
and
we
didn't
hear
anything.
H
D
H
H
H
I
don't
want
it
higher
than
12
inches,,
but
the
way
the
grade
inches,,
but
the
way
the
grade
kind
of
falls
off
on
the
kind
of
falls
off
on
the
cross-section
of
the
site,,
we'll
cross-section
of
the
site,,
we'll
work
to
figure
out
what
the
work
to
figure
out,
what
the
balance
is.
balance
is..
I
haven't
gotten
to
that
point.
D
H
H
Selections
made
yet?
no.
no.
all
of
the
doors
and
windows
all
of
the
doors
and
windows
that
we're
providing
have
their
that
we're
providing
have
their
own
integral
system
with
the
own
integral
system.
With
the
exception
of
the
front
door,
we
exception
of
the
front
door,.
We
don't
have
that
yet..
Don't
have
that
yet.
we
like
to
offer
to
work
with.
C
C
H
H
The
larger
windows
are
fixed.
as
we
go
around
the
facade
and
as
we
go
around
the
facade
and
as
I
sort
of
presented,
there's
as
I
sort
of
presented,
there's
going
to
be
a
mixture
pending
on
going
to
be
a
mixture
pending
on
the
function
of
fixed
windows,
the
function
of
fixed
windows
versus
casement.
versus
casement.
and
the
opportunities
where
we
and
the
opportunities
where
we
do
have
fixed
windows,.
We're
do
have
fixed
windows,
we're
going
to
do
a
fixed
casement
so
going
to
do
a
fixed
casement.
So
it
has
the
same
profile
as
other.
H
H
C
H
or
your
area?,
I
don't
have
specific
numbers.
I
don't
have
specific
numbers
related
to
other
properties.
related
to
other
properties..
I
do
know
that
the
house
to
the
I
do
know
that
the
house
to
the
north
and
south
of
us
are
north
and
south
of
us
are
smaller
ranch
houses
like
the
smaller
ranch
houses.
Like
the
house,
we're
demolishing.
H
house
we're
demolishing..
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to.
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
compare
new
construction
with
compare
new
construction
with
those
examples.,
those
examples.
however,.
I
do
know
that
on
a
lot
however,.
I
do
know
that
on
a
lot
of
the
historic
projects
I
work
of
the
historic
projects
I
work
on,,
especially
I'm
working
on
on,,
especially
I'm
working
on
one
along
hills,
avenue,,
a
lot
of.
H
H
H
H
H
B
B
B
I
understand
how,
under
certain
circumstances,
where
that
circumstances,
where
that
contemporary
design
can
add
a
contemporary
design,
can
add
a
counter
point
to
what's
more
counter
point
to
what's
more
conditional,
to
stand
apart
from
conditional,
to
stand
apart
from
what
is
the
old
versus
what
is
what
is
the
old
versus?
What
is
the
very
brand
new.,
the
very
brand
new.?
I
think,
you're
in
the
right,
I
think
you're
in
the
right
direction
in
that
area
direction
in
that
area,
passengers,
myself.
B
B
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
massing
of
the
buildings
in
and
massing
of
the
buildings
in
and
of
itself,,
but
you
presented
of
itself,,
but
you
presented
tonight
a
number
of
precedent
tonight.
A
number
of
precedent
items,
both
contemporary
and
new
items,,
both
contemporary
and
new
and
traditional,,
and
I
do
know
and
traditional,-
and
I
do
know
that
there
are
other-
that
there
are
other
contemporary
buildings
within
contemporary
buildings
within
the
hyde
park.
Bayshore
area.
B
B
Fenestration
being
relatively
large
scale
in
its
nature.
large
scale
in
its
nature.
in
your
precedence,,
those
in
your
precedence,,
those
fenestration
items,,
the
doors,
fenestration
items,,
the
doors
and
the
windows,,
even
though
in
and
the
windows,,
even
though
in
the
contemporary
models
that
you.
B
H
H
My
first
presentation
to
my
client
actually
did
have
a
more
client
actually
did
have
a
more
broken
apart,
mullion
pattern
in
broken
apart
mullion
pattern
in
the
windows.,
the
windows.
and
through
the
course
of
our
and
through
the
course
of
our
design,
development,
we've
worked
design.
Development,
we've
worked
with
their
preferences
of
what,
with
their
preferences,
of
what
style
they
liked.
H
H
H
H
B
alternative
pattern
to
that.
stephen
sutton:,
I
personally
stephen
sutton:.
I
personally
think
that
the
broken
or
the
think
that
the
broken
or
the
more
articulated
fenestration,
more
articulated
fenestration
would
be
a
better
fit
for
your
would
be
a
better
fit
for
your
neighborhood
and
not
neighborhood,
and
not
particularly
detract
from
your
particularly
detract
from
your
contemporary
state
of
affairs..
B
B
B
H
H
B
Again,
we
wouldn't
be
opposed
to
adding
or
introducing
windows
in
adding
or
introducing
windows
in
both
elevations.,
both
elevations.
stephen
sutton:
windows
or
stephen
sutton:
windows,
or
change
in
material
plains.
change
in
material
plains..
There
is
a
belt
course
that
you
there
is
a
belt
course
that
you
developed
on
one
or
both
sides,
developed
on
one
or
both
sides,
other
sides
of
the
building
that
other
sides
of
the
building
that
could
be
wrapped
around.
H
H
H
B
Up
more.,
I
think
that's
what
I'm
hearing.
I
think
that's
what
I'm
hearing
from
your
comment,.
It
needs
a
from
your
comment,.
It
needs
a
little
more
personality.,
little
more
personality.,
stephen
sutton:,
just
as
a
stephen
sutton:,
just
as
a
clarification,,
my
thinking
in
clarification,.
My
thinking
in
terms
of
what
you're
presenting
terms
of
what
you're
presenting
to
us
tonight
is
a
contemporary.
A
A
Questions?,
I
think
the
commissioners
have,
I
think
the
commissioners
have
kind
of
mentioned
it
before.
kind
of
mentioned
it
before..
I
think
the
main
structure
in
I
think
the
main
structure
in
the
house
is
the
detail
level
on
the
house
is
the
detail
level
on
that.
that..
The
windows
do
seem
a
little
bit.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
H
I
think
what
I
would
like
to
just
say
is
that
I
appreciate
just
say
is
that
I
appreciate
your
feedback.,
your
feedback..
I
think
that
we
would
hope
that
I
think
that
we
would
hope
that,
with
our
relationship
working
with
our
relationship
working
with
staff,,
that
some
of
these
with
staff,,
that
some
of
these
accessory
structure
items
might
accessory,
structure,
items
might
be
able
to
be
resolved
outside
be
able
to
be
resolved
outside
of
coming
back
before
the
board.
H
of
coming
back
before
the
board..
I
think
you
made
very
clear
the
I
think
you
made
very
clear
the
comments,
and
we
can
certainly
comments,,
and
we
can
certainly
respect
our
neighbors
and
would
respect
our
neighbors
and
would
be
very
open
to
including
be
very
open
to
including
additional
details
to
that.
H
H
H
Structure
was
designed
to
be
simpler,
and
staff,
even
simpler,
and
staff
even
mentioned
that
we
might
have
mentioned
that.
We
might
have
some
concern
with
that
back
and
some
concern
with
that.
Back
and
side
elevation
of
the
accessory
side,
elevation
of
the
accessory
structure.
structure.
didn't
choose
to
ignore
that,
but
didn't
choose
to
ignore
that,
but
also
thought
we
would
present
also
thought
we
would
present
the
more
simple
version
of
this.
H
A
In
fairness,
we
do
respect
that,
and
we
would
be
happy
to
address
and
we
would
be
happy
to
address
those
comments.,
those
comments.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
at
this
point,.
We
will
be
at
this
point,.
We
will
be
closing
this
portion
of
the
closing
this
portion
of
the
public
hearing
and
the
public
hearing,
and
the
commissioners
will
now
begin
to.
B
B
C
C
D
D
D
D
Structure
was
somewhat
of
an
after
thought.
after
thought..
I
understand
your
intent..
I
understand
your
intent.,
it
is
accessory
structure,,
but
it
is
accessory
structure,,
but
it
is
visible,
especially
to
the
it
is
visible,
especially
to
the
neighbors.
neighbors..
It
almost
kind
of
looks
to
me
it
almost
kind
of
looks
to
me
kind
of
commercial-like
in
its
kind
of
commercial-like
in
its
current
state.
current
state..
I
don't
know
if
you
all.
Would
I
don't
know
if
you
all
would
feel
comfortable,
leaving
that
feel
comfortable,
leaving
that
with
staff
or
not.
J
With
staff
or
not.
I
agree.
I
agree.,
I
don't
know
that
it
needs
to.
I
don't
know
that
it
needs
to
come
back
in
front
of
us..
Come
back
in
front
of
us..
I
actually
do
think
staff.
Could
I
actually
do
think
staff
could
probably
handle
it,,
but
I
agree,
probably
handle
it,,
but
I
agree
with
all
the
points
that
you've.
A
With
all
the
points
that
you've
brought
up.
brought
up.,
I
personally
want
to
echo.
I
personally
want
to
echo
what
some
of
the
commissioners
what
some
of
the
commissioners
stated.
stated.,
I
think
the
small
items,
some
of
I
think
the
small
items,,
some
of
the
fence
and
gate
details,,
the
fence
and
gate
details,
retaining
wall
details,
retaining
wall
details,,
material,
hardware,.
I
think
you
material,
hardware,.
A
A
Lot
of
the
materials,
a
lot
of
the
exterior
pieces.,
the
exterior
pieces.,
a
lot
of
those
details.
I
think
a
lot
of
those
details.
I
think
staff
can
handle
that
and
I
staff
can
handle
that
and
I
think
the
accessory
structure,,
I
think
the
accessory
structure,.
I
think
they
are
almost
there.
think
they
are
almost
there..
I
think
it's
just
those
two.
A
C
A
A
E
E
E
The
zoning
classification
is
rs-60.
rs-60..
There
is
a
dual
request,
for
there
is
a
dual
request
for
this.
this..
There
is
a
variance
for
front.
There
is
a
variance
for
front
yard.
Setback
from
25
to
17,
and
yard
setback
from
25
to
17,,
and
there
is
a
certificate
of
there-
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
appropriateness
for
new
construction
for
a
front
porch.
E
E
E
E
E
E
Runs
north
and
south.,
you
have
enman
to
the
south,,
but
you
have
enman
to
the
south,,
but
just
to
focus
on
the
structure,
just
to
focus
on
the
structure
at
hand,.
You
see
that
in
1929
at
hand,
you
see
that
in
1929,
when
this
was
taken,,
there
was
when
this
was
taken,.
There
was
no
front
porch.
no
front
porch..
If
you
look
at
the
block,
all.
E
If
you
look
at
the
block,
all
the
other
structures
on
the
same,
the
other
structures
on
the
same
block
face
and
across
the
street
block
face
and
across
the
street
had
porches.
had
porches..
The
porches
are
indicated
with
a
the
porches
are
indicated
with
a
hatched-in
area,
and
then
the
hatched-in
area,
and
then
the
body
of
the
buildings
are
a
body
of
the
buildings.
Are
a
solid
line.,
solid
line..
So
this
is
how
you
read
the.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
K
K
Tyler
hudson,
400,
north
ashley
drive,,
the
accounting
for
jeff
drive,,
the
accounting
for
jeff
and
kelley
halpern.
and
kelley
halpern.
with
me
tonight
is
kelley
with
me.
Tonight
is
kelley
halpern,.
Who
is
one
of
the
halpern,?
Who
is
one
of
the
property
owners.
property
owners.
jeff
cannot
be
here..
Jeff
cannot
be
here.,
he
is
with
the
lightning
and
the
he
is
with
the
lightning
and
the
nhl
in
toronto.
K
nhl
in
toronto..
The
lightning
just
won
in
the
lightning
just
won
in
overtime,
as
a
side,
note.
overtime,
as
a
side
note.
part
of
the
project
team
is
here
part
of
the
project
team
is
here
there.
there.
alan
dobbs,.
He
was
the
project
alan
dobbs,.
He
was
the
project
designer.
designer..
We
submitted
some
original
plans.
K
We
submitted
some
original
plans
that
have
changed,
and
alan
was
that
have
changed,
and
alan
was
the
one
who
designed
those
that
the
one
who
designed
those
that
are
before
you.
This
evening.
are
before
you,
this
evening.
one
other
member
of
our
project,
one
other
member
of
our
project
team,
who
could
not
be
here
this%
team,
who
could
not
be
here
this%
evening,
is
stephanie
ferrill.
K
evening
is
stephanie
ferrill.
stephanie
served
as
a
consulting
stephanie
served
as
a
consulting
architect
for
this
project.
architect.
For
this
project.
she
and
allen
worked
together
to
she
and
allen
worked
together
to
finish
some
of
the
finishes
that
finish,
some
of
the
finishes
that
alan
will
get
into
a
little
alan
will
get
into
a
little
later.
later.
K
in
the
written
record
and
I'm
in
the
written
record,
and
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
this
not
going
to
talk
about
this,
because
I'm
doing
more,
the
legal,
because
I'm
doing
more
the
legal
part,,
but
there
is
an
oral
--
or
part,,
but
there
is
an
oral
--
or
written
testimony
from
staff
written
testimony
from
staff.
Talking
about
why
the
design
talking
about
why
the
design
that
is
proposed
does
meet
the
that
is
proposed
does
meet
the
hyde
park,
design,
guidelines.,
hyde
park,
design,
guidelines.
alan
will
talk
about
that
in
alan.
K
K
K
certificate
of
appropriateness.
to
take
a
step.
Back,
john
did
a
to
take
a
step.
Back,
john
did
a
great
job
articulating.
Why
we're
great
job
articulating?
Why
we're
here.
here.
we're
here,
because
the
halpern
we're
here,
because
the
halpern
family,
who
have
young
children
family
who
have
young
children,
want
to
have
a
covered
front.
K
Want
to
have
a
covered
front,
porch
--,
aesthetic
reasons
which
porch
--,
aesthetic
reasons
which
alan
can
talk
about,,
but
one
alan
can
talk
about,,
but
one
point
mentioning,.
This
is
a
point
mentioning,.
This
is
a
contributing
structure,.
The
lack
contributing
structure,,
the
lack
of
a
covered
porch
does
of
a
covered.
Porch
does
greattage
to
the
facade.
K
greattage
to
the
facade.,
there's
water
damage
and
water,
there's
water
damage
and
water
intrusion
issues,.
So
there
is
a
intrusion
issues,.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
aesthetic
consequence
lot
of
aesthetic
consequence
here,,
but
there's
also
some
here,,
but
there's
also
some
practical
consequence
that
I
practical
consequence
that
I
think
that
I'm
going
to
talk
a
think
that
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about.
K
little
bit
at
the
beginning.
before
going
into
the
five
before
going
into
the
five
variance
criteria
that
I'm
going
variance,
criteria
that
I'm
going
to
discuss,
alan
is
going
to
to
discuss,
alan
is
going
to
discuss
the
sixth
variance,
discuss
the
sixth
variance
criteria.
criteria..
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
precedent.
about
precedent.
ron
alluded
to
it.
K
Ron
alluded
to
it.
legally,
precedent
has
a
great
legally,
precedent,
has
a
great
deal
of
significance.
deal
of
significance.
practically
speaking,,
I
think
practically
speaking,.
I
think
precedence
is
good
because
it
precedence
is
good
because
it
promotes
some
measure
of
promotes
some
measure
of
reliability
and
allows
a
balance
reliability
and
allows
a
balance
of
preserving
property
rights
of
preserving
property
rights
with
preserving
history,,
which,
with
preserving
history,,
which
is
somewhat
challenging
charge,
is
somewhat
challenging
charge
that
you
all
have
here.
K
K
that
we're
seeking
to
do
here..
After
that,
first
variance
was
after
that
first
variance
was
granted,.
The
patio
was
granted,,
the
patio
was
constructed.
constructed.,
that
was
in
2000,,
and
here
we
that
was
in
2000,,
and
here
we
are
in
19
years
later
and
the
are
in
19
years
later,
and
the
halperns
bought
it,
one
year.
K
K
K
K
K
K
Can
you
guys
read
that??
The
first
variance
criteria
is
the
first
variance.
Criteria
is
obviously
about
uniqueness.,
obviously
about
uniqueness..
Some
cases
that
you
all
see
have
some
cases
that
you
all
see
have
a
very
good
claim
to
uniqueness,,
a
very
good
claim
to
uniqueness,.
Some
have
a
less
good
case
to
some
have
a
less
good
case
to
being
unique.
being
unique..
The
key
part
here
is
that
this.
K
K
There
is
a
very
stubborn
fact
that
ron
articulated
and
we
that
ron
articulated
and
we
confront,,
which
is
in
the
1931
confront,,
which
is
in
the
1931
sanborn
map,.
Whichever
map
ron
sanborn
map,,
whichever
map
ron
was
showing,,
there
was
no
porch
was
showing,.
There
was
no
porch
on
this
house.
on
this
house..
Why
that
design
decision
was
why
that
design
decision
was
made
96
years
ago
in
1924,
when
made
96
years
ago
in
1924,
when
this
house
was
built,,
we
don't
this
house
was
built,,
we
don't
know.
know..
That
reason
is
lost
to
history..
K
That
reason
is
lost
to
history.,
there's
nothing
that
we
can
do,
there's
nothing
that
we
can
do
about
that
decision.
But
there's
about
that
decision,
but
there's
something
that
you
all
in
your
something
that
you
all
in
your
capacity
as
the
arc
in
your
capacity
as
the
arc
in
your
variance
granting
authority
variance
granting
authority,
there
is
something
you-all
can
there
is
something
you-all
can
do
about.
It.
K
K
That
is
on
this
block,.
Don't
have
a
count
of
every
single
have
a
count
of
every
single
home
in
orleans.
That's
in
the
home
in
orleans.
That's
in
the
district.
district..
I
think
it's
four
blocks
or
in
I
think
it's
four
blocks
or
in
the
historic
district
as
a
the
historic
district
as
a
whole,
goes
without
saying
that
whole,
goes
without
saying
that
the
hyde
park,
historic
district,
the
hyde
park,
historic
district,
is
characterized
by
a
is
characterized
by
a
significant
number
of
significant
number
of
front-covered
porches.
K
K
K
This
is
not
self-created.
the
hardship
--.
Let's
be
really
the
hardship.
--,
let's
be
really
specific
about
what
a
hardship
specific
about
what
a
hardship,
is.
is.
hardship
is.
We
cannot
build
a
hardship
is
we
cannot
build
a
front
porch
--
sorry,.
We
cannot
front
porch
--
sorry,.
We
cannot
build
a
front
porch
and
comply,
build
a
front
porch
and
comply
with
the
25-foot
front
yard.
K
K
We
especially
can't
do
it
because
your
prior
commissioners,
because
your
prior
commissioners
grante
a
variance
to
allow
us
grante
a
variance
to
allow
us
to
come
19
feet
in
to
align
with
to
come
19
feet
in
to
align
with
the
home
to
the
north
and
the
the
home
to
the
north
and
the
home
to
the
south,,
which
alan
home
to
the
south,,
which
alan
will
talk
about
when
he
shows
will
talk
about
when
he
shows
you
a
block
alignment.
Diagram.,
you
a
block
alignment
diagram.,
I'm
not
really
going
to
belabor.
K
K
K
This
is
a
front
yard
setback.
to
the
contrary,.
Not
only
will
to
the
contrary,.
Not
only
will
this
not
harm
any
neighbors,,
this
not
harm
any
neighbors,,
we've
put
into
evidence
and
we
we've
put
into
evidence
and
we
have
packets,
which
we
can
send,
have
packets,
which
we
can
send,.
I
think
they
are
all
in
your.
K
I
think
they
are
all
in
your
record,
though,
of
four
letters:
record,
though,
of
four
letters
from
neighbors
who
want
this,
from
neighbors
who
want
this,,
who
support
the
application.,
who
support
the
application.
one
of
his
neighbors
is
here.
One
of
his
neighbors
is
here
this
evening..
This
evening.,
I
think,
will
be
speaking
on,
I
think,
will
be
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
application.
K
One
of
the
neighbors
is
lee
fersogi,
who
is
an
architect
who
fersogi?
Who
is
an
architect
who,
I
believe
has
been
before
this,
I
believe,
has
been
before
this
commission
several
times.
commission,
several
times..
I
think
the
main
reason
they,
I
think,
the
main
reason
they
support
it.
The
letters
speak
for
support
it.
The
letters
speak
for
themselves,
is
the
current
lack.
K
Out
of
tolerance
that
the
lack
of
a
porch
creates.
of
a
porch
creates.-
that's
it
for
this
one.,
that's
it
for
this
one.
comprehensive
plan,
as
you
know,,
comprehensive
plan,,
as
you
know,
the
comprehensive
plan.
Doesn't
the
comprehensive
plan
doesn't
really
have
a
significant
amount,
really
have
a
significant
amount
of
detail
about
historic
of
detail
about
historic,
preservation.
preservation.?
That's
really
more
of
the
job
of
that's
really
more
of
the
job
of
chapter
27.,
chapter
27.,
however,.
There
is
discussion
in
however,.
There
is
discussion
in
the
comp
plan
about
the
comp
plan
about
preservation.
K
K
That's
why
I
brought
up
the
fact
that
one
of
the
reasons
they
are
that
one
of
the
reasons
they
are
trying
to
do
this
is
protect
the
trying
to
do
this
is
protect
the
structure.
Itself.
structure,
itself.
the
structure,
goes
without
the
structure,
goes
without
saying,
obviously,.
It
rains
a
saying,
obviously,.
It
rains
a
lot
here
in
a
totally
unexposed
lot
here
in
a
totally
unexposed
surface
is
going
to
weaken,.
It's
surface
is
going
to
weaken,.
K
K
K
K
What
you'll
grant
tonight
that
protect
the
integrity
of
the
protect
the
integrity
of
the
architecture.
architecture.
again,?
This
is
a
contributing
again,.
This
is
a
contributing
structure,
and
we
believe
alan
structure,,
and
we
believe
alan
can
touch
a
little
more
on.
This
can
touch
a
little
more
on
this,
but
that
the
installation
of
the
but
that
the
installation
of
the
front
porch,
the
ceiling
will
front
porch,.
The
ceiling
will
actually
better
protect
the
actually
better
protect
the
physical
structure.
K
K
Substantial
justice
being
done.
people,
don't
always
think
of
people,
don't
always
think
of
justice
and
setbacks,
and
zonings
justice
and
setbacks
and
zonings
necessarily
as
being
in
the
same
necessarily
as
being
in
the
same
category.
category..
But
this
does
come
down
to
what,
but
this
does
come
down
to.
What
is
the
reasonable
use
of
a
is
the
reasonable
use
of
a
person's
property.
K
K
K
We
don't
believe
it
harms
the
rights
of
anybody
else,
it
rights
of
anybody
else,
it
protects
the
contributing,
protects,
the
contributing
structure
and
to
not
allow
the
structure
and
to
not
allow
the
variance,
leaves
the
family
with
variance
leaves
the
family
with
no
options.
no
options..
The
patio
is
there
that
is
19.
K
feet,
setback
rather
than
25.
very
little,.
They
can
do.
very
little,.
They
can
do.
all
other
alternatives.
Have
all
other
alternatives
have
explored.
explored..
This
is
it..
This
is
it..
We
believe
it's
a
good
design..
We
believe
it's
a
good
design.,
so
with
that,,
I'm
going
to
turn
so
with
that,.
I'm
going
to
turn
things
over
to
alan,
who
is
going
things
over
to
alan
who
is
going
to
discuss
the
sixth
variance
to
discuss
the
sixth
variance
criteria.
criteria.
alan,
I'll
leave
this
on
the
alan,
I'll
leave
this
on
the
screen
for
you.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
There
is
a
relatively
nice
oak
tree
in
the
front
yard,,
but
I
tree
in
the
front
yard,,
but
I
believe
they
may
have
gotten
believe
they
may
have
gotten
permission
to
remove
it,
but
permission
to
remove
it,,
but
it's
right
there
at
the
edge
of
it's
right
there
at
the
edge
of
the
driveway.,
the
driveway..
Removing
that
tree
is
also
going
removing
that
tree
is
also
going
to
create
more
problems
with
sun
to
create
more
problems
with
sun.
On
the
western
exposure
of
the.
L
L
No
other
option..
This
project
sat
like
this.
For
a
this
project,
sat
like
this
for
a
long
time,.
Nobody
really
knew
long
time,.
Nobody
really
knew
how
to
design
a
porch
that
would
how
to
design
a
porch
that
would
fit
with
that
house.
fit
with
that
house..
There's
an
architect
next
store,
there's
an
architect
next
store
that
I
think
had
looked
at
it
at
that.
I
think
had
looked
at
it
at
one
time
as
well.
L
L
L
I'm
going
to
point
out
that
one
of
the
very
distinctive
feature
of
the
very
distinctive
feature
of
the
house
is
the
portico
or
of
the
house.
Is
the
portico
or
arch
roof
entry
where
the
front
arch
roof
entry,
where
the
front
door
is,,
which
is
off
center
of
door
is,,
which
is
off
center
of
the
house,,
which
is
a
little
bit
the
house,,
which
is
a
little
bit
unique
for
the
style,
unique
for
the
style,
architecture.
L
The
next
item
is
contemporary
design,
for
alternatives
shall
design
for
alternatives
shall
not
destroy
significant,
not
destroy
significant
architectural
features
and
the
architectural
features
and
the
design
should
be
compatible
with
design
should
be
compatible
with
size,,
scale,
characteristic,
and
size,
scale,
characteristic,,
and
especially
neighborhood
especially
neighborhood.
Development..
Development.-
I
mention
that
because
the
I
mention
that,
because
the
porch,,
this
is
the
only
house
on
porch,,
this
is
the
only
house
on
the
street
without
a
porch.
L
L
L
L
Style
architecture
that
it
is.
so
with
any
project,
there's
so
with
any
project,,
there's,
always
a
series
of
design,
always
a
series
of
design,
constraints.
constraints.,
there's
the
non-negotiable
there's
the
non-negotiable
design
constraints,
such
as%
design
constraints,
such
as%,
existing
conditions,,
building,
existing
conditions,
building,
codes,
regulations,
things
like
codes,
regulations,
things
like
that,
that
are
just
not
that,
that
are
just
not
flexible.
flexible..
They
are
what
they
are..
L
They
are,
what
they
are.
and
there's
a
whole
continuum
to
and
there's
a
whole
continuum
to
negotiable
design
constraints,
negotiable
design
constraints
that
ar
somewhat
flexible.
that
ar
somewhat
flexible..
So
it's
within
that
realm
that
so
it's
within
that
realm
that
we're
designing,
and
that's
also
we're
designing,,
and
that's
also
why
it
is
the
hyde
park
design
why
it
is
the
hyde
park,
design
guidelines,,
because
they
are
a
guidelines,,
because
they
are
a
set
of
guidelines.
L
They
aren't
meant
to
provide
specific
solutions
for
any
specific
solutions
for
any
project,,
but
a
set
of
guidelines
project,,
but
a
set
of
guidelines
for
this
board
and
also
for
this
board,
and
also
designers,
to
consider
when
designers,
to
consider
when
modifying
a
contributing,
modifying
a
contributing.
Structure,
such
as
this.
L
I
also
want
to
point
out,,
there's,
never
really
a
perfect
there's,
never
really
a
perfect
solution
that
will
meet
all
the
solution
that
will
meet
all
the
guideline
requirements
per
guideline
requirements
per
secretary
of
interior,
standards.,
secretary
of
interior
standards.,
but
even
with
that,
there's
not,
but
even
with
that,,
there's,
not
necessarily
a
best
solution.,
necessarily
a
best
solution..
What
we're
looking
for
is
an
what
we're
looking
for
is
an
appropriate
solution..
Appropriate
solution.
best
is
a
very
subjective,
term.
L
L
L
L
L
it
is
set
in
from
the
sides.
one
of
the
really
important
one
of
the
really
important
character,
defining
features
of
character,.
Defining
features
of
dutch
colonial
architecture
are.
Dutch.
Colonial
architecture
are
also
the
regulating
lights.,
also
the
regulating
lights..
There
is
a
lot
of
horizontal.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
houses
are
lined
up,
to.
and
all
of
them
basically
have,
and
all
of
them
basically
have
about
an
eight
to
nine
foot
about
an
eight
to
nine
foot
front
porch,
which
is
what
we
front
porch,
which
is
what
we
have.
have.
in
hyde
park,.
There
are
other
in
hyde
park,.
There
are
other
examples
of
this
style
examples
of
this
style,
architecture.
architecture.,
some
very
different
ones,
with
--.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
It
but
remove
the
bracket
and
reuse
them.,
reuse
them..
This
is
the
design
solution..
This
is
the
design
solution..
You
can
see
that
roof
form
has
you
can
see
that
roof
form
has
been
re-created,
there.
been
re-created
there.
the
brackets
are
there,,
even
the
the
brackets
are
there,.
Even
the
same
light
is
there.
L
L
L
The
beam
is
the
same
width
as
the
beam
is
the
same
width
as
the
columns
and
underside
is
the
columns
and
underside
is
panel,,
and
then
we
have
that,
panel,,
and
then
we
have
that,,
which
has
bead
board,,
which
I'll
which
has
bead
board,,
which
I'll
show
you
in
the
details,
again,
show
you
in
the
details,
again,
that
matches
existing.,
that
matches
existing.
and
then
the
porch.,
and
then
the
porch.,
I'm
proposing
to
my
clients
that
I'm
proposing
to
my
clients
that
they
use
robin
egg
blue..
L
L
And
then
there's
the
existing.,
so
these
brackets,
we're
going
so
these
brackets,
we're
going
to
reuse.
to
reuse.,
because
this
is
all
the
because
this
is
all
the
underside
of
the
soffit,
which
underside
of
the
soffit,,
which
is
basically
our
ceiling,.
All
of
is
basically
our
ceiling,.
All
of
this
can
remain
and
we
can
just
this
can
remain
and
we
can
just
literally
frame
around
it.
L
Literally
frame
around
it.
one
of
the
unfortunate
things,
one
of
the
unfortunate
things
that
we'll
have
to
modify
and
that
we'll
have
to
modify-
and
it's
just
because
of
the
it's
just
because
of
the
geometry
of
the
porch,
is
the
geometry
of
the
porch,-
is
the
edge
of
the
porch,
is
here,,
so
edge
of
the
porch
is
here,.
So
when
that
beam
comes
back,
it
when
that
beam
comes
back,,
it
will
be
right
over
this
window.
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L
Some
of
the
other
details
on
the
house
that
we
looked
at
is
on
house
that
we
looked
at
is
on
the
back
--.
I
don't
know
if
you
the
back
--,
I
don't
know
if
you
noticed
the
one-story
element
on
noticed
the
one-story
element
on
the
side
of
the
house.
Had
this
the
side
of
the
house
had
this
kind
of
railing
detl,
which
kind
of
railing
detl
which
they
reused
in
the
back
of
the
they
reused
in
the
back
of
the
house.
house..
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L
With
the
panel
column
and
elaborate
capital
and
then
the
elaborate
capital,
and
then
the
base
is
a
little
more
simple
base-
is
a
little
more
simple,
base.
base.
you
can
see
the
style
and
rails,
you
can
see.
The
style
and
rails
are
all
well
proportioned
on
the
are
all
well
proportioned
on
the
columns.
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So
this
is
really
a
feature.
Window.
window..
So
it's
going
to
remain
a
so
it's
going
to
remain
a
feature.
Window.
feature
window.!
It's
going
to
be
altered
in
it's
going
to
be
altered
in
size.
size.
and
then
this
is
what
is
and
then
this
is
what
is
existing.
existing..
It's
all
red
brick
right,
now.
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It's
all
red
brick
right
now.,
so
these
are
some
various
--
I
so
these
are
some
various
--.
I
think
it's
important
to
think
it's
important
to
understand
the
process
because
understand
the
process
because
of
what
I
talked
about
before
of
what
I
talked
about
before
about
there's
no
best
or
perfect
about
there's
no
best
or
perfect
solution,
but
there's
appropriate
solution,
but
there's
appropriate
solutions.
solutions..
So
we
have
to
design
something.
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L
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Columns,
but
ones
that
have
a
tuscan
style
base
and
cap
and
tuscan
style
base
and
cap
and
little
neck
molding.
little
neck.
Molding.
and
I'll
talk
about
the
rhythm
and
I'll
talk
about
the
rhythm
of
these
columns
in
a
minute
of
these
columns
in
a
minute
because
it
was
a
unique
because
it
was
a
unique
challenge
to
work
with
the
challenge
to
work
with
the
center
line
of
the
front
door,.
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Because,
as
you
saw,
before,
four
columns,
creating
three
equal
columns,,
creating
three
equal
base
was
very
common,,
but
it
was
base
was
very
common,,
but
it
was
also
common
to
have
columns
not
also
common
to
have
columns
not
equally
spaced,
in
that
one
equally
spaced,.
In
that
one
example,
I
showed
you.
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We
pretty
much
ended
up
with
initially.
initially.,
it
has
the
square
columns.,
it
has
the
square
columns.
the
columns,.
If
you
can
see
a
the
columns,,
if
you
can
see
a
little
bit
of
detail,,
they
have
little
bit
of
detail,.
They
have
the
panel
to
them.
the
panel
to
them..
We
have
the
corbel
brackets.
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L
L
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So
we
just
have
the
columns
along
here.
along
here.
and
then
there's
sort
of
an
odd
and
then
there's
sort
of
an
odd
apron.
Here.
apron
here.,
we
can't
project
past
the
we
can't
project
past
the
projected
property
line,,
so
projected
property
line,.
So
that's
the
way.
This
is
that's
the
way
this
is
configured
and
we're
just
going
configured
and
we're
just
going
to
re-create
it,,
because
it's
to
re-create
it,,
because
it's
all
broken
up
right,
now.
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L
of
the
columns.,
so
doing
the
four
columns
so
doing
the
four
columns.
Equally
spaced
worked
well,,
but
equally
spaced
worked
well,,
but
it
didn't
work
well
with
having
it
didn't
work
well
with
having
the
door
and
the
steps
centered
the
door
and
the
steps
centered
on
one
of
the
bays.
on
one
of
the
bays..
It
was
off-centered.,
it
was
off-centered..
I
looked
at
different
column.
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I
looked
at
different
column,
configurations.
configurations.,
basically,
what
we
did,,
I
put
a
basically
what
we
did,,
I
put
a
column
on
either
side,
so
we
column
on
either
side.
So
we
could
do
the
portico-type
roof
could
do
the
portico-type
roof
and,
of
course,.
You
need
a
and,
of
course,.
You
need
a
column
on
the
corner.
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What
that
spacing,
was,,
which
is
spacing
c,
is
what
we
did
here.
Spacing
c
is
what
we
did
here
around
the
corner.
around
the
corner..
So
you
basically
have
the
three,
so
you
basically
have
the
three
columns
that
turn
the
corner
on
columns
that
turn
the
corner
on
either
side.,
either
side.,
and
then
you
have
this
spacing,,
and
then
you
have
this
spacing,,
which
I'm
calling
spacing
b,
so
which
I'm
calling
spacing
b,.
So
I
re-created
that
over
on
this.
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side,
and
then
the
space
a.
that's
one
of
the
unique
things
that's
one
of
the
unique
things
about
sort
of
classical
about
sort
of
classical
architecture
and
particularly
architecture,
and
particularly
the
dutch
colonial
architecture.,
the
dutch
colonial
architecture.,
there's
a
lot
of
symmetry
and
there's
a
lot
of
symmetry
and
asymmetry
and
a
lot
of
play
on
asymmetry
and
a
lot
of
play
on
that.
that..
I
think
that's
what
this
does..
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L
L
The
elevations,
again,
we
have
the
panel
columns,
talked
about
the
panel
columns,
talked
about
this
roof..
This
roof.,
you
can
see
the
standing
seam,
you
can
see
the
standing,
seam
roof
here,,
and
then
you
can
also
roof
here,,
and
then
you
can
also
see
the
spacing
of
the
columns,
see
the
spacing
of
the
columns.
Here.
here.
turn
the
corner
over
here,.
You
turn
the
corner
over
here,,
you
have
the
stairs,
and
they
sort
have
the
stairs,
and
they
sort
of
cascade
down
on
this
side.
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L
L
L
column,
--,
ten-inch
column.,
with
solid
material,,
basically
with
solid
material,.
Basically,
it
looks
better
panel,
but
also
a
it
looks
better
panel,
but
also
a
functional,
requirement.,
functional
requirement.,
a
ten
inch
piece
of
wood,,
the
a
ten
inch
piece
of
wood,.
The
chances
are
very
high
that
it
chances
are
very
high
that
it
will
crack.
will
crack..
That's
why
you
do
the
panel.
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L
L
windows
on
the
first
floor.,
and
then
it
has
the
slope
and
then
it
has
the
slope
soffit.
soffit.,
because
on
the
rake
or
gable,
because
on
the
rake
or
gable
ends,,
that
soffit
continues
on
ends,.
That
soffit
continues
on
up.
up.
on
the
fascia
here,.
It
has
a
on
the
fascia
here,.
It
has
a
crown
molding.
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L
Out
here,,
we
have
a
two
--
three-quarter
subfascia,
with
three-quarter
subfascia,
with
four
inch
crown
molding
and
one
four
inch
crown
molding
and
one
and
three-quarter
inch
drip.
and
three-quarter
inch
drip.
actually,,
it's
one
of
my
pet
actually,.
It's
one
of
my
pet
peeves.
peeves..
These
roofers
will
come
in
and
these
roofers
will
come
in
and
two
like
a
two
and
three-quarter
two
like
a
two
and
three-quarter
or
three
inch
strip
edge
which
or
three
inch
strip
edge,
which
hides
most
of
the
crown
and
hides
most
of
the
crown.
And
that's
a
very
important
detail.
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L
Basically
has
the
same
detail,
except
we
have
the
finished
wood
except
we
have
the
finished
wood
lap,
siding
that
matches
the
lap
siding
that
matches
the
existing,
and
then
we
have
the
existing.
And
then
we
have
the
bead
board,
which
is
oriented
bead
board,
which
is
oriented
this
way,
and
then
the
fascia.
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This
is
the
bracket
that
we're
going
to
very
carefully
take
off,
going
to
very
carefully
take
off
the
existing
house
and
just
the
existing
house
and
just
relocate
it
here.,
relocate
it
here.
and
these
lines,
sort
of
and
these
lines
sort
of,
represent
the
arch
and
then
the
represent
the
arch
and
then
the
light
in
the
center
of
that
light.
In
the
center
of
that
arch.
arch.
again,
the
beam-
and
this
is
--
again,
the
beam-
and
this
is
--.
This
is
going
to
be
a
solid.
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L
The
curved
profile.,
this
detail
was
really
just
kind.
This
detail
was
really
just
kind
of
meant
to
show
the
column
in
a
of
meant
to
show
the
column
in
a
little
more
detail,
because
the
little
more
detail,
because
the
dash
line
is
the
structural
dash
line,
is
the
structural
column.
And
then
you
have
the
column.
And
then
you
have
the
seven
and
a
quarter
base
and
seven
and
a
quarter
base.
And
then
you
have
this
--,
which
then
you
have
this
--,
which
creates
a
bottom
panel
and
then
creates
a
bottom
panel.
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L
But
just
two
items
I'd
like
to
conclude
with,,
I
believe
by
now
conclude
with,,
I
believe
by
now
all
of
the
commissioners
have
all
of
the
commissioners
have
four
letters
of
support.
four
letters
of
support..
All
of
these
are
immediate.
All
of
these
are
immediate
neighbors.
neighbors..
One
of
them
is
an
architect,
and
one
of
them
is
an
architect
and
they
all
highly
support
this.
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They
all
highly
support
this
project,
and
they
are
looking
project,
and
they
are
looking
forward
to
seeing
a
front
porch
forward
to
seeing
a
front
porch
on
this
house.
on
this
house.,
then
the
last
thing,.
What
I'd
then
the
last
thing,,
what
I'd
like
to
do,?
Maybe
this
is
a
like
to
do,.
Maybe
this
is
a
little
unconventional
but
I'd
little
unconventional,
but
I'd
like
to
just
take
a
minute
of.
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L
She
is
a
fellow
in
the
iai.
stellar
reputation.,
stellar
reputation..
I
think
she
is
the
one
that
I
think
she
is
the
one
that
wrote
the
hyde
park.
Design
wrote
the
hyde
park,
design
guidelines.
guidelines..
She
was
brought
in
as
a
she
was
brought
in
as
a
consultant
because
she
is
truly
consultant
because
she
is
truly
the
best
expert
on
hyde,
park.
L
She
did
a
very
carefully
worded
letter.
letter..
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
put
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
put
this
on
the
display
just
for
this
on
the
display
just
for
about
a
minute,
and
then
the
about
a
minute,
and
then
the
public.
That's
looking
at
this
on
public,
that's
looking
at
this
on
tv
can
read
it
and
it
will
give
tv
can
read
it
and
it
will
give
all
you
commissioners.,
all
you
commissioners.,
I'm
using
it
as
my
conclusion.,
I'm
using
it.
As
my
conclusion.
thank
you.,.
K
I
don't
really
have
any
concluding
remarks.
concluding
remarks.
can
handle
that
and
any
cleanup
can
handle
that
and
any
cleanup
in
rebuttal.
in
rebuttal.
one
kind
of
point
of
information,
one
kind
of
point
of
information
I
did
want
to
stress,
the
staff
I
did
want
to
stress,.
The
staff
report
was
based
on
the
original
report
was
based
on
the
original
application,,
which
was
a
setback
application,,
which
was
a
setback,
reduction,
request
from
25
feet,
reduction,
request
from
25
feet
to
17
feet.
to
17
feet.,
but
based
on
the
updated,
but
based
on
the
updated
drawings,.
K
K
E
Zachary
greco:
thank
you.
at
this
point,
staff.
Will
at
this
point,
staff
will
present
the
staff
report.
present
the
staff
report.
ron,
vila:
staff
would
ron
vila:
staff
would
recommend
that
you
focus
all
recommend
that
you
focus
all
your
questions
on
the
variance
your
questions
on
the
variance
portion
at
this
time
and
that
portion
at
this
time
and
that
the
variance
goes
forward,
then.
A
The
variance
goes
forward,,
then
we
can
talk
about
the
we
can
talk
about
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
certificate
of
appropriateness..
Thank
you.
thank
you.,
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
for
this
portion,.
We
will
open
for
this
portion,.
We
will
open
up
to
any
public
comment,.
This.
A
F
Variances.
hi.
hi.,
my
name
is
williamson..
My
name
is
williamson..
We
own
the
house
across
the
we
own,
the
house
across
the
street,
from
the
halperns.
street
from
the
halperns..
In
addition
to
the
house
across,
in
addition
to
the
house
across
the
street,,
we
own
the
house
on
the
street,
we
own
the
house
on
the
north
of
the
halperns,
where
the
north
of
the
halperns,
where
my
mother-in-law
lives.
F
F
--
[inaudible]
--
by
mr.
dingfelder
and
supported
dingfelder
and
supported
neighbors,.
We
have
complete
neighbors,,
we
have
complete
faith
and
by
the
design.
That
was
faith
and
by
the
design.
That
was
just
shown
that
it
will
adhere
just
shown
that
it
will
adhere
to
the
stylistic
guidelines
and
to
the
stylistic
guidelines
and
only
enhance
our
block.
F
F
F
F
F
A
A
B
B
B
B
It
completes
the
missing
piece
in
comparison
to
everything
you
in
comparison
to
everything
you
see
next
are
to
do,
across
the
see
next
are
to
do,
across
the
street,
up
and
down
the
street,
street,
up
and
down
the
street,,
perhaps
even
around
the
block,,
perhaps
even
around
the
block,.
For
all
I
know.
C
D
questions?.
I
had
a
quick
question
for
I
had
a
quick
question
for
staff.
staff.,
the
original
application
for
the
the
original
application
for
the
original
variance
--.
So
they
original
variance
--.
So
they
didn't
contemplate
a
porch
at
didn't
contemplate
a
porch
at
all.
all..
They
just
submitted
for
the
they
just
submitted
for
the
front
stoup
and
that's
it..
E
Front
stoup
and
that's
it.,
just
out
of
curiosity.
just
out
of
curiosity.
ron
vila:
in
2000,,
it
came
ron
vila:
in
2000,.
It
came
forward
for
a
reduction
in
forward
for
a
reduction
in
setback
from
25
to
19,,
which
was
setback
from
25
to
19,,
which
was
indicated
on
the
photos
that
I
indicated
on
the
photos
that
I
showed
today.
showed
today.
in
our
prior
discussion,.
When
I
in
our
prior
discussion,,
when
I
first
met
the
property,
owners,
first
met
the
property
owners,.
E
They
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
wanted
to
make
sure
that
they
were
in
the
variance
they
were
in
the
variance
allotment,.
So
they
asked
for
a
allotment,,
so
they
asked
for
a
little
bit
greater
distance
from
little
bit
greater
distance
from
25
to
17,,
but
in
actuality,
the
25
to
17,,
but
in
actuality,
the
plinth
that
is
there
is
that
19.
E
D
A
K
A
The
variance
that
you
guys
have
the
power
to
grant
and
the
power
to
grant
and
appreciate
your
time.
appreciate
your
time.
thanks.
thanks.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.,
all
right,,
the
public
hearing
all
right,.
The
public
hearing
will
be
closed,
for
the
variance
will
be
closed
for
the
variance
portion.
portion..
Would
any
of
the
commissioners.
J
J
D
D
A
B
B
B
Evidence
provided
in
this
public
hearing
specifically
that
the
hearing,
specifically
that
the
variances
in
harmony
with
and
variances,
in
harmony
with
and
serve
the
general
intent
and
serve
the
general
intent
and
purposes
of
this
chapter
adopted
purposes
of
this
chapter,
adopted
by
the
tampa
comprehensive
plan,
by
the
tampa,
comprehensive
plan,
and
that
variance,,
if
granted,
and
that
variance,.
If
granted,,
will
allow
the
development
that
will
allow
the
development
that
is
consistent
with
the
design
is
consistent
with
the
design
standards
and
compatible
with
standards
and
compatible
with
the
historic
pattern
of
the
historic
pattern
of
development.
A
A
E
At
this,
point,
staff
will
now
present
the
staff
report
for
the
present
the
staff
report
for
the
ca
portion.
ca,
portion.
ron,
vila:
commissioners,
in
ron
vila:
commissioners,
in
moving
forward,
staff,
is
finding
moving.
Forward,
staff
is
finding
that
this
application
is
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park
consistent
with
the
hyde
park,
design,
guidelines.
design,
guidelines.
on
the
staff
report,
on
page
4,
on
the
staff
report,
on
page
4,,
it
was
reflected
as
it
was
not.
E
E
And
then,
as
it
massages
its
way
out
this
evening,
that
staff
out
this
evening,
that
staff
changes
its
position
from
not
changes
its
position
from
not
consistent
to
consistent
with
consistent
to
consistent
with
the
information
that
was
the
information
that
was
presented.
Tonight.
presented
tonight.,
please
focus
on
the
request..
E
E
E
A
A
A
B
B
B
L
B
L
Have
you
investigated
marine
plywood
products?
plywood,
products?
no,
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
no,
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
I
thought
about
that
up,
because
I
thought
about
that.
When
I
was
making
the
that
when
I
was
making
the
presentation.
presentation.,
we
could
use
marine-grade.
L
B
B
A
I
apologize.
this
is
camaria
pettis-mackle.
This
is
camaria
pettis-mackle
from
the
city,
attorney's
office.
from
the
city,
attorney's
office..
Are
you
doing
questions??
Are
you
doing
questions?
zachary
greco:
yes,
at
this
zachary
greco:
yes,
at
this
point,?
The
commissioners
will
be
point,.
The
commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
about
the.
D
L
L
L
L
Is
going
to
return
back
here,
so
because
the
bottom
of
the
beam,
because
the
bottom
of
the
beam
is
aligned
with
the
bottom
of
is
aligned
with
the
bottom
of
the
headcasing
band
that
runs
the
headcasing
band.
That
runs
all
the
way
around
which
you
can
all
the
way
around
which
you
can
see,
here
is
the
same
window.
L
That
was
the
part
to
be
totally
honest
that
I
struggled
with
the
honest
that
I
struggled
with
the
most,
and
I
knew
the
board
would
most
and
I
knew
the
board
would
take
standards
of,
but
it
comes
take
standards
of.
But
it
comes
back
to
the
secretary
of
back
to
the
secretary
of
standards
that
we
couldn't
find
standards
that
we
couldn't
find
any
alternative
or
reasonable
any
alternative
or
reasonable
solution
to
that
other
than
just.
L
D
D
D
D
L
L
L
L
C
L
L
L
L
It
was
a
gable,
large,
gable,
full-width
gable
and
there
was
a
full-width
gable
and
there
was
a
little
bumpout
in
the
master,
little
bumpout
in
the
master
bedroom
and
it
had
a
roof
and
we
bedroom
and
it
had
a
roof,
and
we
had
a
contrasting
material
for
had
a
contrasting
material
for
that.
that.
in
that
case,.
He
wanted
to
use
in
that
case,.
He
wanted
to
use
copper.
L
So
that's
our
--,
then
also
it's
something
that
the
halperns,
something
that
the
halperns
really
wanted
and
it's
by
far
really
wanted
and
it's
by
far
the
best
material
you
can
use.
the
best
material
you
can
use..
It
has
the
best
wind
rating
and
it
has
the
best
wind
rating
and
low
profile
metal.
Roof,
you
low
profile,
metal
roof,.
You
don't
have
any
exposed.
Fast.,
don't
have
any
exposed,
fast.
announcer:,
.,
announcer:
..
I
don't
think
any
other
kind
of.
L
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
L
L
L
A
You
mentioned,
just
a
shed-style
roof.
roof..
I
understand
why
that
has
that.
I
understand
why
that
has
that
design
feature
over
the
door,
design
feature
over
the
door,
kind
of
pulling.
What's
there
kind
of
pulling
what's
there
existing
now
out
to
the
front,
to
existing
now
out
to
the
front
to
highlight
that
and
kind
of
keep
highlight
that
and
kind
of
keep
some
of
the
elements.
A
L
L
But,
you
know,,
I
mean,
it
works,,
you
know.,
you
know.,
it's
simple,,
but,,
you
know,
for
it's
simple,
but,,
you
know,
for
the
house
that
has
a
lot
of
the
house
that
has
a
lot
of
detail,.
My
clients
wanted
more
detail,.
My
clients
wanted
more
detail.
detail.
hyde
park
has
very
detailed.
Hyde
park
has
very
detailed
front
porches.
front
porches..
We
just
felt
it
would
be
more
in.
L
Hyde
park
to
have
a
better
detail.
detail.,
it's
something
that
would
have,
it's
something
that
would
have,
you
know,,
that
little
pediment
you
know,,
that
little
pediment
roof
is
such
an
important
roof.
Is
such
an
important
character-defining,
feature.
character-defining
feature.?
That's
one
of
the
reasons.
We
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
wanted
to
re-create
that,
and
wanted
to
re-create
that,,
and
here
is
what
that
looks
like
in.
L
L
And
it
gets
back
to
what
I
was
saying:
before,
you
know,
there
saying
before,,
you
know,,
there
is
different,
you
know,
there
is
is
different,
you
know,.
There
is
the
perfect
solution,,
the
best,
the
perfect
solution,,
the
best
solution,
and
appropriate
solution,
and
appropriate
solution.
solution.
like,.
You
know,,
I
think
like,
you
know,.
I
think
different
people
may
feel
that
different
people
may
feel
that
just
the
simple
roof
is
a
better.
L
L
And
the
neighborhood
kind
of
request:
more
detail,,
you
know,
request
more
detail,,
you
know,
on
the
front
porch
as
--
and
a
on
the
front
porch
as
--
and
a
more
sort
of
sense
of
entry,.
You
more
sort
of
sense
of
entry,.
You
know,
over
the
steps.
know,
over
the
steps..
If
we're
going
to
do
something,
if
we're
going
to
do
something
different
along
the
front
of
the
different
along
the
front
of
the
porch,,
that's
where
you
do
it.
A
J
A
A
L
A
Integrity
of
the
architecture
which
in
turn
means
integrity
of
which
in
turn
means
integrity
of
the
neighborhood.,
the
neighborhood.,
so
thank
you.,
so
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
at
this
point.
The
public
hearing
at
this
point
the
public
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the.
J
J
D
D
I
think
it's
a
really
good
thing
and
it
will
look
like
it
fits
and
it
will
look
like
it
fits
there..
There.
I
do
--.
I
am
sad
about
the
I
do
--.
I
am
sad
about
the
window,,
but
I
understand,,
but
I
window,,
but
I
understand,,
but
I
do
think
the
roof
material
is
do
think.
The
roof
material
is
questionable.
Now
that
you.
C
C
I
think
the
purpose
of
this
addition
has
been
stated
to
make
addition
has
been
stated
to
make
it
look
like
the
rest
of
the
it
look
like
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood,,
like
it
belongs,
neighborhood,,
like
it
belongs,,
and
I
think
that
metal
and
I
think
that
metal
roof
--,
I'm
struggling
with
the
roof.
--,
I'm
struggling
with
the
historic
precedence
in
historic
precedence
in
referencing,
stephanie's,
notes,,
referencing,
stephanie's
notes,.
C
She
made
a
note
to
--,
while
she
made
a
note
to
--,
while
introducing
new
elements
that
introducing
new
elements
that
are
keeping
with
the
original
are
keeping
with
the
original
home.
home.
they're,
keeping
with
the
they're
keeping
with
the
original
home
by
using
details,
original
home
by
using
details,
materials
and
finishes
similar
materials
and
finishes
similar
to
that
of
the
existing
house,
to
that
of
the
existing
house,.
And
I
don't
think
the
metal
roof.
B
B
B
B
A
A
The
window
loss
is
unfortunate,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
but
at
the
same
time
it's
completely
understandable
as
you
completely
understandable.
As
you
add
that,,
it's
unfortunately
add
that,.
It's
unfortunately
there.
there.
for
me.
That's
not
as
much
of
an
for
me.
That's
not
as
much
of
an
issue.
issue.
the
detail
on
the
roof,you
know,.
A
The
detail
on
the
roof,you
know,,
I
think
the
explanation
and
I
think
the
explanation
and
reason
behind
it
fits
and
works
reason
behind.
It
fits
and
works
for
this
specific
house..
For
this
specific
house.
might
not
for
all
kind
of
houses
might
not
for
all
kind
of
houses
similar
to
this,.
So
for
that.
A
Similar
to
this,
so
for
that
one,,
I'm
fine.
one,,
I'm
fine.
really
the
roof
material,
I
really
the
roof
material,.
I
think
I
could
go
either
way,
so
think
I
could
go
either
way,.
So
if
it's
metal
seam,
it
doesn't
if
it's
metal
seam,,
it
doesn't
bother
me
as
much..
Bother
me
as
much.
just
kind
of
wanted
to
know
your.
A
A
B
B
B
A
A
E
E
Address
of
1805
west
inman,
avenue.
avenue.-
this
is
for
a
certificate
of
this-
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
an
addition,
appropriateness
for
an
addition,,
and
it's
also
a
variance-
and
it's
also
a
variance
attached
to
this
request
for
a
attached
to
this
request
for
a
side
yard
setback
from
seven
to
side
yard
setback
from
seven
to
zero,,
and
this
is
a
west
side.
E
E
There
are
three
additions
attached
to
this
request.
If
the
attached
to
this
request,
if
the
variance
portion
is
not
reviewe
variance
portion
is
not
reviewe
favorable,,
the
other
two
can
favorable,
the
other
two
can
still
move
forward
for
the
still
move
forward
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
E
E
E
E
North
is
facing
up..
This
is
just
an
aerial
shot.
This
is
just
an
aerial
shot
showing
that
same
property
in
showing
that
same
property
in
question.
question.
once
again,.
This
is
inman,
and
once
again,
this
is
inman,,
and
then
you
see
the
crosstown
to
then
you
see
the
crosstown
to
the
rear
as
a
reference
point.
E
E
E
E
Parked
is
where
the
addition
of
the
porte
cochere
will
go..
The
porte
cochere
will
go.
that
will
line
up
with
the
that
will
line
up
with
the
vehicular
access
which
the
agent
vehicular
access,
which
the
agent
will
address.
will
address..
This
is
the
west
elevation..
This
is
the
west
elevation..
This
is
the
series
of
windows.
E
E
E
E
E
It's
a
contributing
structure
to
the
west.,
the
west.
so
directly
across
the
street
so
directly
across
the
street,
and,
to
conclude
with
just
a
and
to
conclude
with
just
a
couple
street
shots,
property
in
couple
street
shots,
property
in
question
is
over
here.
question
is
over
here..
This
is
looking
to
the
west
and.
E
G
G
inman
at
1805,
west
inman..
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
it's
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
it's
entertaining
to
sit
here
and
entertaining
to
sit
here
and
watch
who
is
going
to
make
the
watch?
Who
is
going
to
make
the
recommendation
to
move
forward
recommendation
to
move
forward
because
you
have
to
read
so
much
because
you
have
to
read
so
much
stuff.
stuff.
its
fun
to
watch
like,,
I'm
not
its
fun
to
watch
like,,
I'm
not
doing
that.
G
G
G
G
On
the
floor
plans
later
is
that
when
they
built
the
addition,
when
they
built
the
addition,,
they
squeezed
the
lot
line.
So
they
squeezed
the
lot
line
so
much.
You
can't
get
the
car
to
much.
You
can't
get
the
car
to
the
accessory
structure
in
the
the
accessory
structure
in
the
back,,
so
they
can't
have
any
back,,
so
they
can't
have
any
covered
parking,
except
for
the
covered
parking,
except
for
the
porte
cochere.
That
proposing.
G
Porte
cochere
that
proposing.
this
property
has
been
added
on.
This
property
has
been
added
on
a
couple
times,
and
it
a
couple
times,
and
it
is
--
I'll
show
you
on
the
floor
is
--
I'll.
Show
you
on
the
floor
plans
in
a
little
bit
how
really
plans
in
a
little
bit,
how
really
just
chunky
and
blocked
up
it
just
chunky
and
blocked
up
it
is,
and
we're
trying
to
rectify.
G
My
company
does
additions,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
the
addition.
Doesn't
look
like
the
addition
has
been
made.
has
been
made.
in
the
rear
is
actually
a
porch
in
the
rear
is
actually
a
porch
area
currently
and
I'll
show
you
area
currently
and
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
second
as
well
that
that,
in
a
second
as
well
that
we're
covering
and
add
agsecond
we're
covering
and
add
agsecond
story,
to.
G
G
G
G
G
G
That's
going
to
go
above
this
area
right,
here.
area,
right,
here.,
we're
taking
this
area.
If
you
we're
taking
this
area,
if
you
can
see
this
line
here,,
this
is
can
see
this
line
here,.
This
is
the
kitchen
currently.,
the
kitchen
currently.
bumps
up
and
goes
over
and
so
on,
bumps
up
and
goes
over
and
so
on,
and
so
forth.
G
G
You
can
see
this
exterior
wall,
you
can
see
this
exterior
wall
comes
out,,
up,,
down,,
over,,
up,
comes
out,,
up,,
down,,
over,,
up,,
down,,
back.,
down,
back.,
we're
just
making
it
one
we're
just
making
it
one:
continuous
exterior
wall,
there,,
continuous
exterior
wall,
there,
and
then
building
the
porte
and
then
building
the
porte
cochere
to
have
covered
parking
cochere
to
have
covered
parking
to
get
into
the
house
itself
as
to
get
into
the
house
itself.
As
we
all
know,
florida,
rains,
so.
G
Porte
cochere
are
pretty
common
in
the
hyde
park
area.
in
the
hyde
park,
area.
we're
proposing.
We
want
to
do
a
we're
proposing.
We
want
to
do
a
porte
cochere
that
looks
like
porte
cochere.
That
looks
like
it's
supposed
to
be
there..
It's
supposed
to
be
there.
something
in
the
roof
line
that
something
in
the
roof
line.
That
looks
like
it's
supposed
to
be
looks
like
it's
supposed
to
be
there
as
opposed
to
something
there
as
opposed
to
something
like
this.
like
this..
I
hope
that's
not
somebody's.
G
I
hope
that's
not
somebody's
house.
house.
gosh,
that
would
be
horrible.
gosh,.
That
would
be
horrible.
same
thing
over
here.
same
thing,
over
here.,
simple,
shed,
roof
coming
off
the
simple
shed
roof
coming
off
the
side.
side.
we'll
try
to
do
something
that
we'll
try
to
do
something
that
looks
like
it's
supposed
to
be
looks
like
it's
supposed
to
be
there
and
match
the
surrounding.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
footprint
vertically.,
then
extending
this
wall,
then
extending
this
wall
straight
across
and
having
all
straight
across
and
having
all
the
dips
and
dives
and
redoing
the
dips
and
dives
and
redoing
the
roof
structure.
Here
with
16
the
roof
structure.
Here
with
16
different
--,
that's
an
different
--,
that's
an
exaggeration.
exaggeration.!
There
is
only
four
but
four.
G
G
G
G
The
vinyl
clad
doors
and
windows.
windows..
Basically
I
made
the
same.
Basically
I
made
the
same
presentation
about
three
months
presentation
about
three
months
ago
for
a
pool
house
on
the
same
ago
for
a
pool
house
on
the
same
property
and
just
kind
of
copied
property
and
just
kind
of
copied
and
pasted,
so.
G
G
Here
is
our
detail,:
the
wood
clad
single
hung
windows
like
clad
single
hung
windows
like
what's
on
the
house..
What's
on
the
house.,
the
six
inch
lapsiding.,
the
six
inch
lapsiding.,
the
trim.,
the
trim.,
the
angle
cut
windowsills
that
the
angle
cut
windowsills
that
are
made
out
of
wood.
are
made
out
of
wood..
Here
is
our
tapers,
for
our
here
is
our
tapers
for
our
columns
to
match
the
existing.
G
G
G
The
lapsiding,,
the
--
yeah.,
the
(inaudible)
beadboard
on
the
the
(inaudible)
beadboard
on
the
bottom
side.
bottom
side..
We
have
those
exposed
rafter.
We
have
those
exposed
rafter
tails,
to
give
the
appearance
tails.
To
give
the
appearance
that
it's,
the
old
bead
board.,
that
it's
the
old
bead
board.
excuse.
Me.
excuse,
me.,
bead
board
decking.
That
runs
all
bead
board
decking.
That
runs
all
the
way
at
the
roof.
Structure.
G
The
way
at
the
roof-
structure.
yeah.
yeah.-
that's
all
the
big
pieces
of
that's
all
the
big
pieces
of
boards
that
I
have.
boards
that
I
have.
the
client
is
--.
The
big
part
of
the
client
is
--.
The
big
part
of
this,
I
know,
is
going
to
be.
The
this
I
know,
is
going
to
be
the
porte
cochere.
porte
cochere.,
the
variance
for
the
porte,
the
variance
for
the
porte
cochere.
cochere.
G
they're,
trying
to
just
be
able
they're
trying
to
just
be
able
to
get
access
to
their
home
in
a
to
get
access
to
their
home
in
a
dry
condition
to
unload
their
dry
condition
to
unload
their
vehicles.
vehicles..
They
have
two
small
children..
They
have
two
small
children.
they're,
just
trying
to
be
able
they're
just
trying
to
be
able
to
get
a
way
into
the
house.
G
G
So
they
have
to
walk
all
the
way
around
the
front
of
the
house
to
around
the
front
of
the
house
to
get
inside
the
house.
get
inside
the
house.
we're
trying
to
give
them
a
dry,
we're
trying
to
give
them
a
dry
access
to
their
home,
to
load
and
access
to
their
home
to
load
and
unload.
unload..
Then
the
additions
themselves.
G
Are
because
they
have
elderly
parents
and
they
believe
they'll
parents
and
they
believe,
they'll
have
their
parents
moving
in,
have
their
parents
moving
in
with
them
the
next
couple
years.
with
them
the
next
couple
years.
they
want
to
add
the
additional
they
want
to
add
the
additional
pacespace
for
their
master.
E
E
He
had
submitted
initial
responses
to
us,,
and
then
I
had
responses
to
us,
and
then
I
had
asked
them
to
provide
additional
asked
them
to
provide
additional
information,
which
I
believe
is
information
which
I
believe
is
in
your
staff
report
on
page
in
your
staff
report
on
page
five,.
So
mr.
jones,,
if
you
go.
G
Because
I
don't
have
one
on
me.,
I
know
it
doesn't
cause
any
harm.
I
know
it
doesn't
cause
any
harm
to
anyone
else.
to
anyone.
Else.,
it's
unique
in
that
we
don't
it's
unique
in
that
we
don't
have
an
area
to
be
able
to
put
a
have
an
area
to
be
able
to
put
a
single
structure,,
an
accessory
single
structure,,
an
accessory
structure
in
the
back.
G
Oh,
thank
you,
mr.
vila.
hardship,
practical
difficulties,
hardship,
practical
difficulties,
unique
--.
It
is
hardship,
--,
the
unique
--.
It
is
hardship
--.
The
hardship
is
unique
to
this
hardship
is
unique
to
this
property.
property.
oh,,
never
mind.,
oh,,
never
mind.
to
this
property,
in
that
we
to
this
property,
in
that
we
can't
have
an
accessory
can't
have
an
accessory
structure
in
the
rear,
because
we
structure
in
the
rear
because
we
can't
get
access
because
of.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
A
A
F
C
G
G
G
We
tried
to
push
the
porte
cochere
as
far
back
as
we
could
cochere.
As
far
back
as
we
could
off
the
street,
so
you
wouldn't
off
the
street,
so
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
notice
it.,
be
able
to
notice
it..
This
home
is
--.
There
is
a
this
home
is
--.
There
is
a
street
that
goes
here,
and
it's
street
that
goes
here,
and
it's
a
dead
end,
so
their
next
door
a
dead
end,
so
their
next
door
neighbor
and
another
car.
C
C
G
A
A
A
G
That
--
those
columns
in
any
more
because
the
car
would
more
because
the
car
would
basically
--
basically
--,
that
is
correct.,
that
is
correct.
zachary,
greco:,
okay.,
zachary,
greco:
okay.
and
I'm
sorry.
and
I'm
sorry.
another
variance.
I've
gone
another
variance.
I've
gone
through,,
just
regular
variances
through,,
just
regular
variances
I've
gotten
to
a
zero
lot
line.
G
C
G
M
A
A
Allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
rebuttal..
I
don't
know
that
I
have.
I
don't
know
that
I
have
anything
to
say.
anything
to
say.
thank
you.
thank
you.,
zachary,
greco:,
okay.,
zachary,
greco:
okay.,
we'll
be
closing.
This
portion
of
we'll
be
closing
this
portion
of
the
public
hearing,
and
then
the
the
public
hearing,
and
then
the
commissioners
will
now
discuss.
Commissioners
will
now
discuss
the
case
for
the
variance
only.
D
D
C
A
C
C
Request
for
arc-20-183
for
the
property
at
1805,
west
inman
property
at
1805,
west
inman
avenue
for
the
encroachment
of
avenue
for
the
encroachment
of
zero
feet
be
denied
due
to
the
zero
feet,
be
denied
due
to
the
failure
of
the
petitioner
to
failure
of
the
petitioner
to
meet
the
burden
of
proof
with
meet
the
burden
of
proof.
With
regard
to
the
six
hardship
regard
to
the
six
hardship
criteria
set
forth
at
section
criteria
set
forth
at
section
27-114d
of
the
city
of
tampa.
C
A
E
E
E
E
With
the
removal
of
the
porte
cochere
and
the
certificate
of
cochere
and
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
moves,
forward,
appropriateness
moves.
Forward,
I'd
put
that
into
a
motion
that
I'd
put
that
into
a
motion
that
that
wasn't
part
of
the
that
wasn't
part
of
the
approval.
approval.
also,.
You
could
discuss
the
door
also,.
You
could
discuss
the
door
on
that
vehicular
access
side
on
that
vehicular
access
side,
that
that
could
be
part
of
the
that
that
could
be
part
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
certificate
of
appropriateness,
moving
forward.
E
Staff
had
were
the
siding
and
the
foundation
connection.
the
foundation
connection.,
how
the
siding
was
going
to
come,
how
the
siding
was
going
to
come
down
in
the
typical
manner
down
in
the
typical
manner.
That's
explored
already,,
but
I
that's
explored
already,,
but
I
don't
believe
it
was
discussed.,
don't
believe
it
was
discussed..
Then
we
had
the
agent
provide.
E
A
So
we're
comfortable
if
this
request
moves
forward.
request
moves
forward.
thank
you.
thank
you.,
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
at
this
point.
We'll
open
the
at
this
point,
we'll
open
the
public
hearing
to
any
public
public
hearing
to
any
public
comment.
comment..
Seeing
and
hearing
none,
the
seeing
and
hearing
none,
the
commissioners
will
now
ask
commissioners
will
now
ask
questions
for
the
project
for.
D
G
sections..
We
have
our
--.
Let's
see.,
we
have
our
--.
Let's
see.,
we
have
our
siding
with
the
we
have
our
siding
with
the
six-inch
--.
This
is
hardy
six-inch
--.
This
is
hardy.
Lapsiding.
lapsiding.
we're
proposing
to
do
the
we're
proposing
to
do
the
additions
with
a
six-inch
additions
with
a
six-inch
exposure.
exposure..
We
have
one
by
ten
band
trim
to.
G
D
G
G
G
B
B
A
A
G
G
A
A
elevations
and
models,
you
had.,
yep.,
yep.,
zachary
greco:,
and
it's
the
zachary
greco:
and
it's
the
top
right,
image.
top
right
image..
This
one?,
this
one?
zachary
greco:
no.
zachary
greco:
no.
top
right.
top
right.
oh,
top
right.
oh,
top
right.
sorry.
sorry.,
zachary
greco:,
so
you'll
have
zachary
greco:,
so
you'll
have
the
banding
that
comes
along
the
the
banding
that
comes
along
the
second
floor..
Second
floor..
That's
going
to
--
oh,
hold
on.
G
That's
correct.
yes.
yes.,
zachary
greco:
and
where
does
zachary
greco:,
and
where
does
that
two-story
corner
piece
--
that
two-story
corner
piece
--?
So
this
is
the
existing.
So
this
is
the
existing
house.
Now.
house
now.
we're
not
going
to
do
anything,
we're
not
going
to
do
anything
with
this.
with
this..
This
existing
house
ends,
stops.
A
This
existing
house
ends,
stops
right,
here.
right,
here.,
zachary,
greco:,
right.,
zachary,
greco:
right.,
we're
going
to
pick
up
the
we're
going
to
pick
up
the
banding
and
go
around
the
back
banding
and
go
around
the
back
side.
side.
zachary
greco:.
So
I
guess
my
zachary
greco:.
So
I
guess
my
question
is,
and
it
might
just
question
is,
and
it
might
just
be
the
way
it's
modeled.
A
no.
it
does
not.,
it
does
not.
zachary
greco:
okay.,
then
so
zachary
greco:
okay.,
then.
So,
if
you
will
be
adding
--,
if
you,
if
you
will
be
adding
--,
if
you
will
not
be
adding
that
porte
will
not
be
adding
that
porte
cochere
there,
the
only
thing
cochere
there,.
The
only
thing
that
you're
going
to
be
doing
is.
G
A
Unifom
formed
all
the
way
across.
across.
zachary
greco:
is
any
zachary
greco:.
Is
any
consideration
given
to
windows
consideration
given
to
windows
along
that
wall,
so
that
along
that
wall?
So
that
way,
--,
because
it
looks
like
way
--
because
it
looks
like
there
is
the
single
one
in
the
there
is
the
single
one
in
the
front
and
two
in
the
back,
but.
G
C
G
B
B
A
Is
that
acceptable?
I
don't
know.,
I
don't
know.
stephen
sutton:
if
it's
within
stephen
sutton:,
if
it's
within
your
setback,,
that's
not
an
your
setback,.
That's
not
an
issue.
issue.
okay.
okay.
okay.
okay.
zachary
greco:,
as
long
as
the
zachary
greco:.
As
long
as
the
characteristics
of
it
matches.
G
A
G
Allowed
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
rebuttal.
no.
no..
I
--,
I
think
what
we're
going
to
I
--.
I
think
what
we're
going
to
do
with
the
house
will
make
it
do
with
the
house
will
make
it
actually
look
better
and
more
actually
look
better
and
more
usable
as
opposed
to
cut
up
and
usable
as
opposed
to
cut
up
and
blocked
up
space.
blocked
up
space..
It
will
make
it
look
a
lot
nicer.
G
A
Original
house,
here
is
the
addition,
another
addition,
addition,,
another
addition,,
another
addition.,
another
addition.,
that's
all.,
that's
all.,
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
at
this
point
we'll
be
closing
at
this
point
we'll
be
closing
the
public
hearing
and
the
the
public
hearing
and
the
commissioners
will
now
discuss.
A
B
B
F
B
B
F
We're
only
approving
two
of
those
additions:
those
additions,
camaria
pettis-mackle:
okay.
camaria
pettis-mackle:
okay.,
so
you
could
put
a
condition
on
so
you
could
put
a
condition
on
your
certificate
of
your
certificate
of
appropriateness
if
you
want
to
appropriateness.
If
you
want
to
address
what
condition
--,
which.
C
C
C
Awning
over
the
side,
access
door
is
worked
through
with
staff
is
worked
through
with
staff
because
based
upon
the
finding,
because,
based
upon
the
finding
of
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
of
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park
consistent
with
the
hyde
park,
historic
district
design,
historic
district
design
guidelines
for
the
city
of
tampa
guidelines
for
the
city
of
tampa
for
the
follow
reasons,
the
for
the
follow
reasons,.
The
scale
massing
and
alignment
are.
A
A
E
E
The
zoning
is
rs-50..
I
would
ask
that
the
I
would
ask
that
the
commissioners
for
ease
of
moving
commissioners
for
ease
of
moving
forward
to
break
this
next
forward
to
break
this
next
application,
up.
application,
up.
they're,
asking
for
a
certificate
they're
asking
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
a
of
appropriateness
for
a
demolition
of
a
contributing
demolition
of
a
contributing
accessory,
structure.
accessory
structure..
I'd.
Take
that
item
first..
E
E
If
that
request
is
granted,,
I'd
move
forward
for
the
certificate
move
forward
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
of
appropriateness,
for
new
construction,
for
an
accessory
construction
for
an
accessory,
structure.,
structure.
and
then
move
forward
and
then
and
then
move
forward
and
then
lastly,
they're,
asking
for
a
lastly,
they're
asking
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
certificate
of
appropriateness,
also
for
a
small
addition
of
47,
also
for
a
small
addition
of
47
square
feet
to
the
primary
square
feet
to
the
primary
structure,
and
that
addition,
structure,,
and
that
addition,
there
is
a
variance
attached
to.
E
E
I'd,
do
the
demolition
first.
I'd?
Do
the
certificate
of
I'd?
Do
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
new
appropriateness
for
the
new
construction,
for
the
accessory
construction
for
the
accessory
structure,
and
then
lastly,,
I'd,
structure,
and
then
lastly,
I'd?
Do
the
certificate
of
do
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
the
appropriateness,
with
the
variance
attached
to
it.
E
E
E
E
E
E
Is
well-maintained.?
This
is
the
front
elevation
and
this
is
the
front
elevation
and
side
elevation,
which
has
the
side
elevation,
which
has
the
fire
place,
here.
fire
place,
here.
and
then
moving
to
the
south
and
then
moving
to
the
south
elevation,.
This
is
the
parking
elevation,.
This
is
the
parking
for
hyde
park
village
and
for
hyde
park
village
and
looking
back
into
the
site.
E
Looking
back
into
the
site.
I'd
like
to
show
some
of
the
I'd
like
to
show
some
of
the
details
as
you
move
along.
details
as
you
move
along.
once
again,
the
casing.
once
again,,
the
casing.
see
how
the
siding
is
applied,
see
how
the
siding
is
applied
under
the
casing,
and
you
see
the
under
the
casing
and
you
see
the
shadow
lines.
shadow
lines.
see
the
band
board.
see
the
band
board..
This
is
a
unique
detail
that
the
this
is
a
unique
detail
that
the
header
dies
into
the
band
board.
E
E
E
E
E
E
F
F
F
F
Who
will
bring
the
applications
to
you,
this
evening.
to
you
this
evening.?
I
simply
want
to
tell
you
this.
I
simply
want
to
tell
you
this
home
was
built
in
1921.
home
was
built
in
1921..
It's
a
remarkable
home
that
it's
a
remarkable
home
that
cindy
kept
in
excellent
cindy,
kept
in
excellent
condition
since
then.
condition.
Since
then.
however,,
we
have
an
obsolete
however,.
We
have
an
obsolete
garage
that
is
way
overdo
for
garage.
That
is
way
overdo
for
demolition,
and
that
will
be
the
demolition
and
that
will
be
the
demolition
application
here.
F
F
F
F
M
Thank
you.
and
we're
--
we'd
like
to
and
we're
--
we'd
like
to
combine
our
time,.
We
can
discuss,
combine
our
time,.
We
can
discuss
it
in
the
order
that
ron
it
in
the
order
that
ron
recommended
and
have
it
up
for
recommended
and
have
it
up
for
vote.
vote.
we'd
like
to
combine
the
time
we'd
like
to
combine
the
time
for
all
the
different
items.
If
for
all
the
different
items,
if
that's
okay,,
just
to
make
the.
E
E
I
don't
believe
she'll
need
that
much
time,
but
it
will
be
an
much
time,
but
it
will
be
an
individual
30
minutes
for
that,,
individual
30
minutes
for
that,
and
then
moving
on
to
and
then
moving
on
to
certificate
of
appropriateness,
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
that,.
It's
30
minutes
for
for
that,.
It's
30
minutes
for
that
part
of
the
request
and
that
part
of
the
request
and
lastly,
for
the
certificate
of
lastly,
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
addition
appropriateness
for
the
addition
and
variance,
there
is
a.
M
M
M
M
There
is
a
new
construction
of
a
two-car
new
construction
of
a
two-car
garage
in
its
place
and
an
garage
in
its
place
and
an
addition
to
the
primary
addition
to
the
primary
structure,
which
will
be
a
structure
which
will
be
a
laundry
room
and
the
variance
is
laundry
room
and
the
variance
is
in
relation
to
that.
in
relation
to
that..
I
think
we
have
already
gotten
a.
M
I
think
we
have
already
gotten
a
lot
of
the
background.
lot
of
the
background..
I
just
think
the
most
important
I
just
think
the
most
important
part
to
focus
on
with
respect
to
part
to
focus
on
with
respect
to
the
surrounding
area
is
to
the
the
surrounding
area
is
to
the
north
here,.
So
this
is
the
north
here,.
So
this
is
the
subject
property.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
The
setback
is
almost
all
the
way
up
against
the
boundary
way
up
against
the
boundary
line,
so
as
you'll
see
in
some
line,.
So
as
you'll
see
in
some
some
of
the
photoose
later,
that
some
of
the
photoose
later,.
That
makes
it
difficult
if
you
even
makes
it
difficult.
If
you
even
could
park
in
it
to
maneuver
out.
M
M
M
assessment
of
the
criteria.,
but
most
importantly,
is
this
is
but
most
importantly
is:
this
is
a
loss
of
the
usable
portion
of
a
loss
of
the
usable
portion
of
the
property.,
the
property..
Clearly
it's
intended
to
be
a
clearly.
It's
intended
to
be
a
place
for
the
home
owner
to
park
place
for
the
home
owner
to
park
their
car.,
their
car..
That's
the
place
where
you
would
that's
the
place
where
you
would
park
your
car,
but
you
can't.
M
park
your
car,
but
you
can't.
so,,
you
know,.
It
can't
be
so,,
you
know,,
it
can't
be
rehabbed
or
relocated.
rehabbed
or
relocated..
It's
a
safety
hazard,,
not
only
it's
a
safety
hazard,
not
only
expensive,
to
keep
up
to
keep
it
expensive
to
keep
up
to
keep
it
from
falling
apart
at
this
point
from
falling
apart
at
this
point
and
to
keep
the
flooding
and
the
and
to
keep
the
flooding
and
the
termites
at
bay.
M
M
M
Oregon
county,
when
she
can,
and
she's
had
her
car
struck.
Three
she's
had
her
car
struck
three
times
by
people
visiting
hyde
times
by
people
visiting
hyde
park,
village,
which
I'm
sure
is
park,
village,
which
I'm
sure
is
not
surprising
to
you
at
all.,
not
surprising
to
you
at
all.,
maybe
even
by
scooters.,
maybe
even
by
scooters.,
who
knows.
M
M
M
M
Damage
has
really
just
taken
over.
over.,
pretty
much
everywhere.
You
can
pretty
much
everywhere.
You
can
see
the
wood
is
peeling,
and,
see
the
wood
is
peeling,
and,,
you
know,,
all
the
siding.
Is
you
know,?
All
the
siding
is
rotting.
rotting..
Maybe
siding
can
be
replaced,
but
maybe
siding
can
be
replaced,
but
you'll
see
on
the
inside,.
It's
you'll
see
on
the
inside,.
It's
not
just
the
siding.,
not
just
the
siding.,
it's
the
whole
thing.,
it's
the
whole
thing..
M
Are
rotting
at
the
bottom.,
so
here
is
another
--
you
can
so
here
is
another
--.
You
can
really
see
how
the
foundational
really
see
how
the
foundational
beams
help
the
trim
of
the
door
beams
help
the
trim
of
the
door
and
the
door
doesn't
look
like,
and
the
door
doesn't
look
like
an
original
door
to
me.
M
an
original
door
to
me..
It
also
doesn't
shut.,
it
also
doesn't
shut.,
it
doesn't
lock.
So
it's
also
it
doesn't
lock.
So
it's
also
itself
not
functional.
itself,
not
functional.
again,.
You
can
see
here
all
of
again,.
You
can
see
here
all
of
the
rotting
wood
and
see
the
the
rotting
wood
and
see
the
gutters
here
that
they're
just
gutters
here
that
they're,
just
not
working.,
not
working..
The
inside
of
the
garage
is
a.
M
Structural
band-aids.,
I
don't
know
what's
knowing
on,
I
don't
know.
What's
knowing
on
here.
here.,
it's
a
feature,,
not
a
bug
and
it's
a
feature,,
not
a
bug
and
you've
got
these
weird
siding.
You've
got
these
weird
siding
things.
Here.
things
here.
I'll,
show
you
a
close-up
of
this
I'll.
Show
you
a
close-up
of
this
electrical
system,,
we'll
call.
M
M
Here
is
a
close-up
of
some
of
the
mold
here.,
the
mold
here..
I
don't
know
what
that
is..
I
don't
know
what
that
is.,
this
actually
--
and
I'll
show
this
actually
--
and
I'll.
Show
you
later,.
This
takes
up
a
you
later,.
This
takes
up
a
portion
of
the
wiggle
room,
you'd
portion
of
the
wiggle
room
you'd
have
in
the
garage
because
have
in
the
garage
because
believe
it
or
not,
these
stick
believe
it
or
not,.
M
M
It's
big
enough
to
fit
a
bike
and
an
inflatable
shark
on
a
and
an
inflatable
shark
on
a
chair.
chair.,
it's
just
over
nine
feet
in
it's
just
over
nine
feet
in
width.
width..
I
also
measured
it,
which
you
I
also
measured
it,
which
you
can't
open
your
doors,
fully
can't
open
your
doors
fully
because
of
the
fact
that
you're,
because
of
the
fact
that
you're
losing
a
lot
of
the
wiggle
room
losing
a
lot
of
the
wiggle
room.
Wih
these
little
things,
here.
M
The
door
itself,
sure,,
it's
a
single-car
garage,
door.,
single-car
garage
door.,
it's
eight
feet
in
width,
but
it's
eight
feet
in
width,
but
it's
about
the
same
width
as
the
it's
about
the
same
width
as
the
garage
structure
yourself.
So
garage
structure
yourself.
So
once
you
drive
in
you
have
no,
once
you
drive
in
you
have
no
room
to
wiggle
around.
M
M
M
garage
door.,
it's
beyond
repair.,
it's
beyond
repair.,
and
here
is
just
again
with
the,
and
here
is
just
again
with
the
mole
and
it's
nasty.
mole
and
it's
nasty.,
--
mold
and
it's
nasty.,
--
mold
and
it's
nasty.
here
is
the
structure
I
was
here
is
the
structure
I
was
talking,
about.
talking
about..
I
have
another
angle,
you
can.
M
I
have
another
angle,
you
can
see.
see..
I
think
you
saw
it
in
ron's.
I
think
you
saw
it
in
ron's
photos.
But
the
point
is
here
photos.
But
the
point
is
here
that
you
can't
--,
you
know,
that
you
can't
--
you
know,
backing
out
here.
Not
only
do
you
backing
out
here,
not
only
do
you
have
to
back
straight
out
have
to
back
straight
out
because
of
the
fact
that
you,
because
of
the
fact
that
you
have
no
wiggle
room,
but
this.
M
Have
no
wiggle
room,
but
this
causes,,
you
know,
a
blind
spot
causes,,
you
know,
a
blind
spot
and
you
could
easily
hit
these
and
you
could
easily
hit
these
trash
cans
or
the
structure,
trash
cans
or
the
structure
here,.
So
it
--
there
is
no
paved
here,,
so
it
--
there
is
no
paved
driveway,
which
is
something
driveway,
which
is
something
we'll
be
remedying.,
we'll
be
remedying.,
so
the
whole
situation,
so
the
whole
situation
is
--.
This
is
why
we're
calling
is
--.
M
This
is
why
we're
calling
it
a
shed,
because
it's
really
it
a
shed,
because
it's
really
not
a
garage.,
not
a
garage..
Here
you
can
see.
This
is
an
here.
You
can
see.
This
is
an
angled
fence.,
angled
fence..
There
is
not
a
whole
fence.
There
is
not
a
whole
fence
length,
away.
length,
away.,
it's
angled
here!
So
it's
it's
angled
here.
So
it's
probably
about
a
foot
away
from
probably
about
a
foot
away
from
the
boundary
line.,
the
boundary
line..
It's
insufficient
maneuvering,
it's
insufficient
maneuvering
room
and
there
is
a
blind
spot.
M
So
we
are
fairly
sure
that
this
garage
structure
meets
the
garage
structure,
meets
the
burden
of
proof
for
why
it
burden
of
proof
for
why
it
should
no
longer
exist,
and
should
no
longer
exist,
and
doesn't
even
look
like
the
rest,
doesn't
even
look
like
the
rest
of
the
house.
of
the
house.
you'll,
see
in
the
materials
you'll
see
in
the
materials
we're
proposing
for
the
new
we're
proposing
for
the
new
construction,.
It's
going
to
look
construction,.
M
Have
the
craftsman
style
features
that
the
house
has
features
that
the
house
has,
whereas
you
can
see
the,
whereas
you
can
see
the
structure
is
yellow.
structure
is
yellow.,
it
doesn't
match
the
color
of
it
doesn't
match
the
color
of
the
house.,
the
house..
It
doesn't
have
any
nice,
it
doesn't
have
any
nice,
architectural
features.,
architectural
features.,
the
roof
isn't
even
the
same,
so
the
roof
isn't
even
the
same.
So
as
I'll
show
you
in
the
as
I'll
show
you
in
the
materials
we'll
use
later
on
rsh
materials
we'll
use
later
on,
rsh.
M
We'll
have
a
much
nicer,
we'll
have
a
much
nicer
structure
in
its
place.
structure
in
its
place.,
so
I've
zoomed
in
on
the
site,
so
I've
zoomed
in
on
the
site
plan
here,.
Although
I'm
going
to
plan
here,,
although
I'm
going
to
show
the
whole
site
plan,
later.
show
the
whole
site
plan
later.
to
avoid
confusion,
you
can
see
to
avoid
confusion.
You
can
see
the
ouine
of
the
existing,
the
ouine
of
the
existing
structure
here,
which
is
getting
structure
here,
which
is
getting
removed.
removed..
M
You
can
see
how
close
it
is
to
you
can
see
how
close
it
is
to
the
boundary
line.,
the
boundary
line.
well,,
so
we'll
have
the
required
well,.
So
we'll
have
the
required
three-foot
setback
with
the
new
three-foot
setback
with
the
new
structure.
structure..
We're
also
knowing
to
have
the
we're
also
knowing
to
have
the
transportation
code
required
transportation
code
required
teep-foot,
backout,
room.,
teep-foot
backout
room..
Not
only
are
we
going
this
way?
M
Not
only
are
we
going
this
way,
but
we're
also
going
to
have,
but
we're
also
going
to
have
this,
you
know,
required
backout
this,,
you
know,
required
backout
room.
So
it's
going
to
be
a
room,
so
it's
going
to
be
a
functional,
garage,,
functional,
functional,
garage,,
functional
driveway.
driveway..
The
structure
itself
is
going
to
the
structure
itself
is
going
to
be
15
feet
or
less
in
height,
be
15
feet
or
less
in
height
from
grade
to
ridge.
M
Everything
is
to
code,
and
we
are
not
--
we
had
confirmed
from
are
not
--.
We
had
confirmed
from
natural
resources,
there
is
no
natural
resources.
There
is
no
issue
with
the
32-inch
grand
issue
with
the
32-inch
grand
tree
on
the
southwest
side
of
tree
on
the
southwest
side
of
the
property.,
the
property..
So
here
we
have
our
elevations..
M
M
M
M
M
Opposed
to
that
plywood,
like,,
apartment-style,
door.,
apartment-style
door.,
then,
let's
see
here.,
then
let's
see
here..
So
here
are
the
wall
sections..
So
here
are
the
wall
sections..
Our
contractors
are
here.
If
our
contractors
are
here,
if
you'd
like
to
ask
more
technical
you'd
like
to
ask
more
technical
questions
about
these.
M
M
M
You
can
see
they're
already
accommodating
for
wiggle
room
accommodating
for
wiggle
room
for
doors,
but
it
will
also
be
for
doors,
but
it
will
also
be
twice
as
big.
twice
as
big.
I'm
going
to
discuss
the
I'm
going
to
discuss
the
materials
in
connection
after
I
materials
in
connection
after
I
discuss
the
new
addition
to
the
discuss,
the
new
addition
to
the
primary
structure
of
the
laundry
primary
structure
of
the
laundry
room,
because
it
will
be
the
same
room
because
it
will
be
the
same
siding,
trim
and
everything.
siding,
trim
and
everything..
M
M
M
Or
driers
back
then,,
probably
not.
not.,
they
certainly
wouldn't
have.
They
certainly
wouldn't
have
contemplated
the
big
washers
and
contemplated
the
big
washers
and
driers.
Now
we
have
in
our
homes.
driers.
Now
we
have
in
our
homes.,
so
the
current
location
of
the
so
the
current
location
of
the
washer
and
drier
is
an
washer
and
drier.
Is
an
afterthought.
afterthought.
they're
stacked,
crammed
into
a
they're
stacked,
crammed
into
a
pantry.
pantry.
I've
seen
it.
M
I've
seen
it.
it's
in
the
kitchen.,
it's
in
the
kitchen.,
no
offense.,
no
offense.
to
me.
It's
really
weird.
to
me.
It's
really
weird..
There
is
no
room
for
folding..
There
is
no
room
for
folding.
you
to
take
the
laundry
out,
set
you
to
take
the
laundry
out,
set
it
on
the
bed
or
kitchen
table
it
on
the
bed
or
kitchen
table
or
whenever
you
like.
M
M
M
It's
a
pantry.,
the
location
as
I'll
discuss
the
location
as
I'll
discuss
later,
especially
in
respect
to
later,
especially
in
respect
to
the
variance,.
The
location
of
the
variance,.
The
location
of
this
proposed
bumpout
for
the
this
proposed
bumpout
for
the
laundry
room
is
the
only
laundry
room
is
the
only
feasible
place
in
the
house
for
feasible
place
in
the
house
for
the
laundry
room..
M
M
Here
are
elevations.
on
the
northide
facing
on
the
northide
facing
mcmclainy's
home,.
If
she
could
mcmclainy's
home,,
if
she
could
see
it,
which
she
can't
because
see
it,
which
she
can't
because
of
the
fence,,
but
if
she
could,
of
the
fence,,
but
if
she
could,
she
would
see,
there
are
--
it,
she
would
see.
There
are
--,
it
will
be
a
window
here,
so
it's
will
be
a
window
here.
So
it's
consist
want
with
the
fact
there
consist
want
with
the
fact
there
is
windows
along
the
side
of
the.
M
There
won't
be
windows
on
either
side
of
the
front
or
rear
side
of
the
front
or
rear
elevations,
which
is
consistent,
elevations,
which
is
consistent,
with,
and
I'll.
Discuss
later,
an
with,
and
I'll
discuss
later,
an
existing
bumpout
on
the
other
existing
bumpout
on
the
other
side
of
the
house,
which
doesn't.
M
M
So
the
actual
size
of
this
bumpout
is
going
to
be
47
square
bumpout
is
going
to
be
47
square
feet
total.
feet,
total.,
it's
very
small..
It's
very
small.!
It's
pretty
much
the
minimum.
It's
pretty
much
the
minimum
that
you'd
want
for
a
laundry
that
you'd
want
for
a
laundry
room.
room..
There
is
room
to
walk
in,
turn.
M
M
M
M
Both
the
garage
and
laundry
room,
addition.
addition.
you'll
have
the
exposed.
Rafter
you'll
have
the
exposed,
rafter
tails
on
both,
which
I
think
will
tails
on
both,
which
I
think
will
make
the
garage
look
way
better
make
the
garage
look
way
better
than
it
does
currently
or
the
than
it
does
currently
or
the
one
there.
one
there.
rafters
and
soffit.,
rafters
and
soffit..
All
this
will
be
the
same.
M
M
M
Actually
this
is
the
bumpout
on
the
other
side.,
the
other
side.,
so
this
is
actually
kind
of
like
so
this
is
actually
kind
of
like
what
the
bumpout
will
look
like
what
the
bumpout
will
look
like
where
you've
got
the,
you
know,,
where
you've
got
the,,
you
know,
different
direction
for
the
roof
different
direction
for
the
roof
where
they
connect.,
where
they
connect.
window
--.
The
only
window
is
the
window
--.
The
only
window
is
the
one
on
the
north
elevation.
M
M
It's
just
going
to
be
hardy,
trim.
trim.
and
the
foundation
for
the
and
the
foundation
for
the
bumpout
will
match.
The
existing
bumpout
will
match
the
existing
foundation,
and
this
is
actually
foundation,,
and
this
is
actually
the
foundation
that
is
on
the
the
foundation.
That
is
on
the
corner
of
the
house,
that
the
corner
of
the
house
that
the
bumpout
is
going
to
come
out.
Of.
M
M
going
to
have
a
six-panel
door..
It
will
be
white.,
it
will
be
white.,
clopay,
classic
two-car
garage,
clopay,
classic
two-car
garage,
steel,
door.,
steel
door..
It
has
nice
window
features.,
it
has
nice
window
features..
I
don't
think
the
other
garage.
I
don't
think
the
other
garage
had
anything
like
this,
but
this
had
anything
like
this,
but
this
is
kind
of
a
craftsman.
Style.
M
is
kind
of
a
craftsman,
style.
the
hardware
for
the
door
and
the
hardware
for
the
door
and
lighting,
those
will
only
be
on
lighting,.
Those
will
only
be
on
the
garage.,
the
garage.,
not
any
lighting
or
hardware
on
not
any
lighting
or
hardware
on
the
laundry
room,
bumpout.
the
laundry
room
bumpout..
These
are
just
for
the
garage,.
M
M
M
Feet
to
accommodate
this
part
here.
here.,
so
this
is
the
only
place
on
so
this
is
the
only
place
on
site,
and
I'll.
Show
you
the
site,
site,
and
I'll.
Show
you
the
site
plan
kind
of
to
show
you
what
plan
kind
of
to
show
you
what
I'm
talking
about.,
I'm
talking
about..
I
also
would
like
to
point
out.
M
I
also
would
like
to
point
out
the
fact
that
ms.
mclainy,
who
is
the
fact
that
ms.
mclainy,
who
is
the
only
resident,,
the
only
the
only
resident,,
the
only
neighbor,
who
would
be
directly
neighbor,
who
would
be
directly
affected
by
the
variance,
she
affected
by
the
variance,
she
has
expressed
her
support
for,
has
expressed
her
support
for
the
variance
and
has
written
a.
M
M
M
As
I
pointed
out,,
it's
an
after
pointed
out,,
it's
an
after
thought,
but
this
is
the
only
thought,
but
this
is
the
only
feasible
location
because
it's,
feasible
location,
because
it's,
one,,
where
the
water
hook-ups
one,,
where
the
water
hook-ups
currently
are,
and
two,
more
currently
are,
and
two,
more
importantly,.
There
is
a
grand
importantly,.
There
is
a
grand
tree
here
which
the
canopy
tree
here,
which
the
canopy
expands
pretty
much
around
the
expands
pretty
much
around
the
entire
southwest
portion
of
the
entire
southwest
portion
of
the
property.
property..
M
M
Here
is
the
existing
bump-out..
It's
close
to
the
concrete
it's
close
to
the
concrete
barrier
on
the
south
boundary
of
barrier
on
the
south
boundary
of
the
house,,
so
this
kind
of
shows
the
house,.
So
this
kind
of
shows
that
it's
within
the
character
that
it's
within
the
character
of
this
particular
house,
to
have
of
this
particular
house
to
have
a
bump-out
and
also
within
the
a
bump-out,
and
also
within
the
character
of
a
craftsman
style,
character
of
a
craftsman
style
home
to
have
that.
M
M
We
wouldn't
want
to
put
it
here,
because
we'd
have
an
irregular,
because
we'd
have
an
irregular,
layout
and
kind
of
--.
You
know,,
layout
and
kind
of
--.
You
know,
encroach
into
the
character
of
encroach
into
the
character
of
the
deck,
which
is
a
very
nice,
the
deck
which
is
a
very
nice
feature
of
the
home,
and
it's
a
feature
of
the
home,
and
it's
a
very
classive
historic
feature,
very
classive
historic
feature
of
the
home.
M
of
the
home.,
with
respect
to
the
variance
with
respect
to
the
variance
criteria,
because
of
the
criteria,
because
of
the
existing
tree
on
the
property,
existing
tree
on
the
property,,
the
existing
bump
out
and
the
the
existing
bump
out
and
the
location
of
the
decks
and
fences
location
of
the
decks
and
fences
on
the
property,.
This
is
a
on
the
property,.
This
is
a
unique
issue
to
the
property.
M
M
M
M
This
won't
adversely
affect
any
other
historic
properties,
other
historic
properties,
because
in
part,,
because
it
will
because
in
part,,
because
it
will
look
good
and
be
within
the
look
good
and
be
within
the
character
of
the
district,
but
character
of
the
district,,
but
also
because
of
the
fence,
also
because
of
the
fence.
Buffer.
buffer.,
so
you've
got
the
buffer
for
so
you've
got
the
buffer
for
ms.
mcclainy's
home,
which
is
the.
M
Ms.
mcclainy's
home,
which
is
the
neighbor.
neighbor.,
where
it
fronts
oregon
avenue,
is
where
it
fronts.
Oregon
avenue
is
also
that
fence.
also
that
fence.
anyone
on
the
right-of-way
won't
anyone
on
the
right-of-way
won't
really
be
able
to
see.
The
burke
really
be
able
to
see
the
burke
out,
because
it's
towards
the
out,
because
it's
towards
the
back
of
the
house-
and
there
is
a
back
of
the
house-
and
there
is
a
fence,
which
I'll
show
you
in
a.
M
M
M
Portion
of
it
is
within
the
existing
footprint
of
the
home..
Existing
footprint
of
the
home..
Substantial
justice
is
done
by
substantial
justice
is
done
by
this,
because,
if
you
balance
the
this,
because
if
you
balance
the
fact
we're
preserving
the
home,
fact
we're
preserving
the
home,,
we're
enhancing
the
historic
we're,
enhancing
the
historic
character
of
the
home.
M
we're
asking
for
a
minimal
size.,
the
existing
buffer
buffers,
the
the
existing
buffer
buffers,
the
neighbor
most
directly
affected
neighbor,
most
directly
affected.
Who
is
also
in
support
of
this,
who
is
also
in
support
of
this,
and
anybody
else
passing
along
and
anybody
else
passing
along
the
right-of-way
balance.
Would
the
right-of-way
balance
would
the
fact
that
there
is
no
other
the
fact
that
there
is
no
other
location
to
modernize
this
home
location
to
modernize
this
home
due
to
the
existing
conditions.
M
M
Certificate
of
appropriateness,
presentation,
we're
--,
basically
presentation,
we're
--.
Basically,
it's
going
to
look
like
the
it's
going
to
look
like
the
house.
house..
The
house
itself
is
consistnt..
The
house
itself
is
consistnt..
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about
any
of
the
criteria.
M
M
Here
is
an
aerial
I
took
from
google
maps,
so
it's
a
little
google
maps.
So
it's
a
little
hard
to
see.
hard
to
see.
here
is
the
fence
between
the
here
is
the
fence
between
the
two
homes.
two
homes.,
as
you
can
see,
the
fence.
Also,
as
you
can
see,,
the
fence
also
goes.
This
way.
goes
this
way..
This
is
why,
if
you're
on
the
this
is
why,
if
you're
on
the
right-of-way,
you
won't
be
able
right-of-way,
you
won't
be
able
to
see
it.
Really.
to
see
it.
Really.
here
is.
M
M
M
M
M
You
can't
even
see
the
lower
elevation
on
the
first
floor
of
elevation
on
the
first
floor
of
ms.
mcelaney's
home.,
ms.
mcelaney's
home..
It's
going
to
come
out
here
and
it's
going
to
come
out
here
and
be
basically
like,
looking
still
be
basically
like
looking
still
at
the
fence.
at
the
fence.,
then
this
is,
as
you
can
see,
how,
then
this
is,
as
you
can
see,
how
tall
this
fence
is
on
the
tall.
This
fence
is
on
the
outside.
outside..
So
if
you're
on
the
sidewalk
or.
M
M
M
M
So,
as
you
can
see,,
the
canopy
really
extends
over
this
whole
really
extends
over
this
whole
portion
of
the
property.
portion
of
the
property..
Then
here
is
the
a/c
pad,
as
I
then
here
is.
The
a/c
pad,
as
I
was
discussing.
was
discussing.
here-
is
the
existing
bump
out.
So
here
is
the
existing
bump
out.
M
So
you
can
see
with
the
overhangs
you
can
see
with
the
overhangs
and
bump
out
how
close
it
is
to
and
bump
out
how
close
it
is
to
the
wall,
which
itself
extends
the
wall,
which
itself
extends
pretty
close,
but
the
boundary
pretty
close,
but
the
boundary
line
is
here.
line
is
here..
It's
right
along
the
wall.,
it's
right
along
the
wall.,
so
this
is
kind
of
like
what
we.
M
So
this
is
kind
of
like
what
we
were
proposing
to
do.
were
proposing
to
do.
same
situation
with
the
roof
and
same
situation
with
the
roof
and
the
way
everything
matches.
the
way
everything
matches.
you
can
tell
it's
a
bumpout
and
you
can
tell
it's
a
bumpout
and
not
the
original
part
of
the,
not
the
original
part
of
the
home
probably,,
but
so
that's,,
home
probably,,
but
so
that's,
you
know,.
Our
proposal
is
in
you
know,.
M
A
M
M
M
M
M
appliances
in
mind.,
the
only
location
where
we
can,
the
only
location
where
we
can
put
this
is
where
we
proposed
it
put.
This
is
where
we
proposed
it,
because
there
is
the
grand
oak,
because
there
is
the
grand
oak
tree
in
the
southwest
corner
tree
in
the
southwest
corner,
which
takes
up
a
large
part
of
which
takes
up
a
large
part
of
that.
that..
The
existing
porch
configuration
the
existing
porch
configuration
means.
M
M
The
fences
on
the
property
cut
the
fences
on
the
property
cut
off
a
certain
part
of
where
you
off
a
certain
part
of
where
you
can
build
on
the
house
because
can
build
on
the
house
because
of
the
fact
that
the
fences
of
the
fact
that
the
fences
basically
run
through
it
in
the
basically
run
through
it
in
the
front.
front..
M
The
existing
water
utility,
the
existing
water
utility
connections,
because
of
where
the
connections,
because
of
where
the
washer
and
drier
currently
are
washer
and
drier,
currently
are
mean
that,
if
you
put
it
mean
that,
if
you
put
it
somewhere,
else,
you'd
have
to
somewhere.
Else,
you'd
have
to
run
utilities
from
there
and
run
utilities
from
there
and
change
up
the
whole
structure.
M
Forces
this
area
that
we
have
selected.
selected.
two,,
the
hardship
was
two,,
the
hardship
was
not
--
does
not
result
from
the
not
--
does
not
result
from
the
actions
of
the
applicant.
actions
of
the
applicant..
That's,
as
somebody
pointed
out,
that's
as
somebody
pointed
out,
earlier,
a
pretty
easy
one
to
earlier,
a
pretty
easy
one
to
meet
in
historic
preservation.
M
Meet
in
historic
preservation,
district.
district.,
ms.
smaney
purchased
it
as
it
ms.
smaney
purchased
it
as
it
was.
was..
The
variance
will
not
the
variance
will
not
substantially
interfere
with
or
substantially
interfere
with
or
injure
the
health,
safety
or
injure
the
health,
safety
or
welfare
of
others,
whose
property
welfare
of
others
whose
property
would
be
affected.,
would
be
affected..
Ms.
mclainy
is
the
one
who
would
ms.
mclainy
is
the
one
who
would
be
affected.
be
affected..
M
Not
only
does
the
fence
buffer
not
only
does
the
fence
buffer
her,
but
she
is
in
full
support
her,
but
she
is
in
full
support
of
the
variance
as
proposed,
so
of
the
variance
as
proposed,.
So
it's
not
going
to
injure
the
it's
not
going
to
injure
the
health,
safety
or
welfare
of
her
health,
safety
or
welfare
of
her
certainly.
certainly..
She
thinks
it's
a
good
idea
and
she
thinks
it's
a
good
idea
and
anyone
else
across
the
street
or
anyone
else
across
the
street
or
just
passing
through
the
area
is
just
passing
through.
M
M
Bumpout,
because
of
the
fence
in
the
front
as
well.
the
front
as
well.
sorry.
sorry.,
I'm
a
mess
over
here.,
I'm
a
mess
over
here.
number
four,.
The
variance
is
in
number
four,.
The
variance
is
in
harmony
with
and
serves
the
harmony
with
and
serves
the
intercept
and
purpose
of
the
intercept
and
purpose
of
the
chapter
and
comprehensive
plan.
M
M
Been
preserved,
rehabbed
and
in
a
lot
of
cases,
this
is
bringing
a
lot
of
cases.
This
is
bringing
the
property
up
to
modern
the
property
up
to
modern
standards,
while
proposing
the
standards,
while
proposing
the
smallest
kind
of
amount
of
space,
smallest
kind
of
amount
of
space.
We
can
take
up
on
the
house
for.
M
M
M
whole.,
the
size
is
minimal.,
the
size
is
minimal.,
it's
only
47
square
feet.,
it's
only
47
square
feet..
The
variance
is
minimal,
two.
The
variance
is
minimal,
two
feet
and
there
is
a
reduced
feet
and
there
is
a
reduced
setback
on
the
other
side,
as
setback
on
the
other
side
as
well.
So
it's
going
to
make
sense.
M
Well,
so
it's
going
to
make
sense
with
the
existing
property.,
with
the
existing
property.,
the
practical
difficulty
of
the
practical
difficulty
of
having
no,
where
else
in
the
having?
No,
where
else
in
the
house
for
modern
laundry
system
house
for
modern
laundry
system
because
of
the
grand
tree,
the
because
of
the
grand
tree,,
the
portions,,
the
existing
bumpout
portions,,
the
existing
bumpout
on
the
other
side
and
the
on
the
other
side
and
the
outdated
configuration
of
the
outdated
configuration
of
the
house
weigh
in
favor
of
granting
house
weigh
in
favor
of
granting
this
request.
M
M
The
historic
pattern
in
the
area
since
we're
not
proposing
any
since
we're
not
proposing
any
metal
features
or
weird
windows,
metal
features
or
weird
windows
or
anything
like
that.
or
anything
like
that..
I
think,
unless
you
have
any,
I
think
unless
you
have
any
specific
questions,,
it
looks
to
specific
questions,.
M
It
looks
to
me
as
though
it's
in
line
with
me,
as
though
it's
in
line
with
the
character
of
the
house
and
the
character
of
the
house
and
the
character
of
the
craftsman,
the
character
of
the
craftsman
style
of
the
house,
that
you
see
style
of
the
house
that
you
see
throughout
hyde,
park.
throughout
hyde
park.
and
the
materials
we
selected
and
the
materials
we
selected
are
of
course,
appropriate
are,
of
course,
appropriate
because
they're
going
to
match.
E
Yep.
zachary
greco:
at
this
point
zachary
greco:.
At
this
point
staff
will
present
the
staff
staff
will
present
the
staff
report.
report.
ron,
vila:
commissioners,
ron
ron,
vila:
commissioners,
ron,
vila,
staff
for
historic
vila,
staff
for
historic
preservation.
preservation..
Can
we
go
to
the
overhead,?
E
And/Or
visitors
to
hyde
park,
village.
village.
as
our
introduction
into
this,
as
our
introduction
into
this,
I'd
focus
on
the
demolition
of
I'd
focus
on
the
demolition
of
the
contributing
accessory,
the
contributing
accessory,
structure.
structure..
The
agent
went
through
the
the
agent
went
through
the
presentation
and
it's
astach
presentation
and
it's
astach
tached
to
your
--
attached
to
tached
to
your
--
attached
to
your
staff
report.
So
I'd
focus
your
staff
report.
So
I'd
focus
on
that
and
see.
If
there
is.
A
On
that
and
see
if
there
is
additional
questions
to
the
additional
questions
to
the
burden
of
proof
or
economic
burden
of
proof
or
economic
hardship
attached
at
this
time.
hardship
attached
at
this
time.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
at
this
point.
We'll
open
the
at
this
point,
we'll
open
the
hearing
to
any
public
comment
in.
A
A
C
A
E
All
in
favor?,
against?,
against?,
all
right.,
all
right.
motion,
passes.
motion,
passes.
thank
you.
thank
you.
ron,
vila:.
The
next
item
for
ron
vila:.
The
next
item
for
review
is
the
certificate
of
review.
Is
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
appropriateness
for
new
construction
for
the
accessory
construction
for
the
accessory
structure.
structure.
staff
had
some
concerns
with
the.
A
Will
match
the
primary
structure.
structure.?
That
concludes
this
portion..
That
concludes
this
portion.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.
zachary
greco:
thank
you.,
we'll
open
the
hearing
again
to
we'll
open
the
hearing
again
to
public
comment.
public
comment..
Anyone
like
to
speak
for,
or
anyone
like
to
speak
for
or
against?
against?,
all
right.,
all
right.,
seeing
none,
the
commissioners
seeing
none,.
The
commissioners
will
now
ask
questions
for
the.
B
Ca
of
the
new
accessory
structure.
structure.
does
anyone
have
--.?
Does
anyone
have
--.
stephen
sutton:?
I
do
have
a
stephen
sutton:.
I
do
have
a
question
respecting
that.
question:
respecting
that.,
it's
a
larger
structure
on
a
it's,
a
larger
structure,
on
a
slightly
different
position
on
slightly
different
position
on
the
site.,
the
site..
What
is
happening
to
the
what
is
happening
to
the
existing
fence
that
surrounds
existing
fence
that
surrounds
the
site
in
some
fashion,
the
site
in
some
fashion
attached
to
the
structure
attached
to
the
structure,
itself?
itself??
F
F
G
I
Let's
talk
sense.
steve,
lynch.,
steve
lynch.,
the
existing
fence
on
the
side,,
the
existing
fence
on
the
side,
see
the
garage
is
encroaching,
see
the
garage
is
encroaching,.
Now
the
existing
garage..
Now
the
existing
garage.
we're
going
to
move
it
over
to
we're
going
to
move
it
over
to
the
appropriate
setback.,
the
appropriate
setback..
That
fence
will
stay
where
it
that
fence
will
stay
where
it
is,
and
then
we'll
make
a.
B
Way
on
the
other
side.,
the
fence
would
be
connected
to
the
fence
would
be
connected
to
the
garage.,
the
garage.
stephen
sutton:,
whatever
you
stephen
sutton:,
whatever
you
end
up,
replacing
or
extending
on
end
up,
replacing
or
extending
on
that,
existing
fence
will
match
that
existing
fence
will
match
the
existing,.
There's
no
change.
A
A
A
Portion
for
the
accessory
structure.
structure.,
no
rebuttal.,
no
rebuttal.
zachary,
greco:
okay.,
zachary,
greco:
okay.,
we'll
close
this
portion
of
the
we'll
close
this
portion
of
the
public
hearing.
public
hearing.
and
the
commissioners
will
now
and
the
commissioners
will
now
discuss
the
case.
discuss
the
case..
Would
anyone
like
to
discuss
the?
D
A
E
Thank
you.
ron,
vila:
moving
down
the
ron
vila:
moving
down
the
items
that
were
requested
for
items
that
were
requested
for
613
south
oregon,.
Now
I
would
613
south
oregon,
now
I
would
venture
into
the
variance
venture
into
the
variance
hardship
that
was
submitted
and
hardship
that
was
submitted
and
read
into
the
record
and
have
a.
A
A
A
A
M
M
M
M
M
M
A
Just
for
functionality
sake.,
none
of
that
will
be
in
the
none
of
that
will
be
in
the
record.
record.
zachary
greco:.
If
there's
zachary
greco:,
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
have
on
the
anything
you
want
to
have
on
the
record,,
if
you
could
please
come
record,.
If
you
could,
please
come
up
to
the
podium.
C
M
A
A
A
D
Of
a
convenience
factor
than
a
hardship.
hardship.,
I
definitely
understand
with
I
definitely
understand,
with
older
homes,
some
of
the
modern,
older
homes,
some
of
the
modern
conveniences,
are
a
little
conveniences
are
a
little
challenging,,
but
I
do
think
on
challenging,,
but
I
do
think
on
this
site
that
they
do
have.
D
F
D
D
A
A
Correct?
zachary
greco:
yes.
zachary
greco:
yes..
Can
mr.
chair
please
take
a
can.
Mr.
chair,
please
take
a
five-minute
recess?
five-minute,
recess?
zachary
greco:,
we're
going
to
zachary
greco:
we're
going
to
take
a
quick
five-minute
recess,
take
a
quick
five-minute
recess
and
then
we'll
be
back.
and
then
we'll
be
back..
Thank
you.