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A
My
name
is
zachary
greco,
chair
of
the
commission.
If
you
are
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise
when
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
Commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation.
A
Your
presentation
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
site
plan,
elevations
architectural
details
and
wall
sections
staff
will
then
present
the
staff
report.
You
will
then
ask
for
public
comment
following
your
presentation.
The
commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
the
presentation
please
state,
and
spell
your
name
clearly,
if
you're
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
go
by
very
quickly
following
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
A
The
public
hearing
is
then
closed.
The
only
comments
which
will
be
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
is
closed
will
be
in
response
to
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
Commissioners
will
then
discuss
the
case
and
will
make
their
decision
based
on
the
city
ordinance
chapter
27
of
the
city,
zoning
code,
the
design
guidelines,
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards,
the
historic
preservation,
development
review,
hp,
drc
comments
and
the
testimony
given
at
this
public
hearing
the
arc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional
responsibilities.
A
E
B
E
B
F
G
Okay
good
evening,
commissioners,
this
is
elaine
lund
staff
for
historic
preservation.
Our
first
case
this
evening
is
case
arc
20-105
located
at
413
east
forest
avenue
in
the
tampa
heights
historic
district.
This
application
is
on
a
vacant
parcel.
It
is
for
construction
of
a
new
single-family
residence
with
the
site,
improvements
that
would
accompany
the
such
development.
G
Okay,
so
this
is
the
the
green
parcel
is
showing
where
the
subject
site
is
at
4,
13,
east
forest
avenue.
Central
avenue
is
just
to
the
east.
There
michigan
avenue,
which
is
now
columbus
drive,
is
just
to
the
south,
and
you
can
see
the
u-shaped
form
of
what
is
now
the
tampa
heights
elementary
school
there
at
the
corner
of
morgan
and
central
to
the
west.
G
G
G
This
is
a
look
at
the
subject
site.
You
could
see
on
the
sandbar
map
that
there
was
a
house
there
at
that
time.
You
can
make
out
here
that
there
was
access
to
the
parcel.
You
can
also
tell
by
the
the
tree
pattern
there
that
this
there
had
been
a
house
or
something
on
the
site
at
one
time.
G
G
Toward
jefferson
street
you
can
see
the
the
house
that's
adjacent
to
the
parcel
here
and
the
subject
sites
on
your
left,
of
course,
and
in
the
very
far
distance,
just
on
the
west
side
of
jefferson
street
there
you
can
see
one
of
the
more
recent
new
construction
projects.
That's
gone
in
in
this
development,
this
little
bungalow
back
there.
H
You
good
good
evening,
commission,
good
evening
staff.
My
name
is
edward
martin
and
I'm
here
as
a
contractor
representing
this
particular
property.
It's
located
at
a
413
east
forest
avenue,
I'm
going
to
start
first
with
showing
a
20-foot
setback
to
the
building
line
consistent
with
the
existing
properties
in
the
neighborhood.
H
H
H
H
H
Got
here
some
samples
of
the
hardy
trim,
which
is
a
three
quarter
by
six
inch,
solid
trim
material
and
then
I've
got
the
six.
The
lap.
C
G
Report,
commissioner
staff
found
that
this
project
is
consistent
with
the
design
guidelines
for
the
tampa
heights
historic
district.
Given
our
unique
circumstances
here
there
were
a
couple
of
items.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
applicant
did
review
for
us
this
evening.
G
I
know
the
applicant
and
I
had
at
prior
meetings,
discussed
the
front
yard
setback
and
the
height
from
grade
of
the
structure,
and
if
we
just
go
to
the
overhead
real
quick,
this
being
the
the
contributing
building
that
is
directly
adjacent
to
this
property,
we
felt
that
it
would
be
best
to
sort
of
match
this
one
and
it's
set
back
in
elevation.
So
this
is
the
the
reference
that
the
applicant
had
to
use.
G
There
are
some
other
items
that
were
in
the
staff
report
and,
if
possible,
if
I
would
say
if
the
commissioners
have
particular
questions
about
any
of
them,
then
I
would
say
that
you
request
the
applicant
to
discuss
those
with
you
at
this
time.
I
am
not
sure
if
I
saw
a
window
installation
detail.
So
if
that's
available
I'd
appreciate
that
being
I'd,
appreciate
you
going
through
that,
if
possible-
and
that's
all
I
have
at
this
moment,
I'm
available.
If
you
have
questions.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
at
this
point.
We
will
open
the
hearing
to
any
public
comment,
either
or
against.
If
there
is
anyone
that
would
like
to
speak
either
for
or
against,
please
come
up
to
one
of
the
two
podiums
seeing
and
hearing
none
we're
going
to
move
now
to
the
portion
where
the
commissioners
can
ask
questions.
B
Sir
I'd
like
to
make
a
brief
discussion
about
your
selection
of
doors
and
windows.
You
made
note
on
your
presentation
of
where
you're
originating
the
source
for
your
window.
B
D
Thank
you.
That's
great.
Is
there
intent
to
have
a
fence
of
any
kind
around
the
property
or
near
the.
D
D
Per
the
design
guidelines
for
the
district,
there
is
some
consideration
that
does
need
to
be
made
for
that.
So
that's
something
to
think
about.
Another
question
I
have
is
you
have
a
note
there
for
two
car
parking
spaces,
but
I
don't
see
an
extension
of
the
concrete
to
accommodate
a
second
car
past,
the
port
cochair.
D
D
D
So
I
know
my
my
commissioner,
my
fellow
commissioner,
asked
about
the
front
door.
Is
the
door
as
it
is
drawn
on
the
elevation?
Is
that
the
intent
for
the
drawer,
the
door
for
the
front
door?
Okay,
thank
you.
That
concludes
my
questions
at
this.
C
Time
staff
had
had
a
comment
about
raising
the
elevation
from
grade
of
the
front
porch.
It
does
not
appear
if
you
could
bring
back
the
front
elevation
of
the
house
that
it
has
been
raised.
A
E
C
Okay,
there
was
also
a
request
on
the
staff
report
for
welcome
walls
flanking
the
front
steps.
C
There
was
a
request
in
the
staff
report
for
welcome
walls
flanking
the
front
steps
leading
up
to
the
front
porch.
I
agree
that
that
is
something
that's
consistent
with
the
district,
so
I
think
that
if
those
have
not
already
been
considered
for
addition,
they
might
need
to
be.
C
H
A
G
We
did
not
have
any
information
on
this
house
on
file
the
one
that
was
adjacent.
You
know
you
can
see
from
the
view
on
the
overhead
that
you
know
it
does
have
some
steps
that
were
you
know,
likely
placed
on
at
a
time
after
the
house
was
originally
constructed.
G
Just
from
my
my
guess
here
is
that
that
house
has
an
enclosed
porch
and
then
this
little
bit
of
concrete
porch
here
was
probably
added
on
at
a
later
date.
So
it
might
not
be.
You
know
exactly
accurate
there
as
it
was
historically.
G
A
H
A
Are
you
going
to
be
using
beadboard
or
anything
exposed
kind
of
above
the
rafter
rafters
below
the
roofing
okay,
and
is
that
called
out
on
the
section.
A
Okay
and
then.
A
D
D
A
C
I
move
to
grant
certificate
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
hearing
in
arc
20-105
for
the
property
located
at
413
east
forest
avenue,
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
front
door
and
hardware
specifications
are
approved
by
staff
that
the
bead
board
soffit
material
is
added
to
the
section.
The
ac
unit
is
shielded
from
the
street
because,
based
on
the
finding
of
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
tampa
heights
design
guidelines
for
the
city
of
tampa.
C
A
E
A
F
F
F
Here's
the
vicinity
map
showing
the
property
in
question
I
shaded
with
a
green,
does
face
bruce
to
the
south.
You
have
morrison,
there
is
an
alley
that
runs
north
and
south
behind
the
parcel.
It
is
an
unimproved
alley
at
this
time.
The
alley
has
no
consequence
in
the
re
and
the
request
this
evening.
If
you
look
at
the
primary
structure,
you
see
the
roof
line,
and
then
you
see
a
small
addition
of
a
screened
in
area
on
the
rear
that
will
be
removed.
As
part
of
this.
F
F
F
Which
is
here,
they
have
a
shared
apron
with
a
budding
property.
This
is
the
budding
property
also
of
the
same
time
frame
and
to
focus
on
the
south
elevation
of
the
subject
site.
Currently,
the
subject
site
has
aluminum
siding
on
it.
You
see
the
series
of
windows
as
it
goes
down
the
side
of
the
multi-pane
over
a
single
light.
F
F
This
is
the
multi-pane
over
single
light
windows.
Some
of
the
windows
do
have
shutters
moving
to
the
rear,
so
the
primary
structure,
and
then
I
I
spoke
about
the
screened
edition
that
you
can
see
from
above
that
will
be
removed
and
just
to
conclude,
the
photo
presentation
couple
street
shots.
So
you
get
kind
of
an
understanding
of
the
setting.
This
is
looking
down
bruce,
it
runs
north
and
south.
F
I
Good
evening
my
name
is
peter
orba,
I'm
actually
the
owner
of
this
property.
I
purchased
it
about
15
months
or
so
ago,
and
with
the
intention
of
expanding
it
slightly
the
the
existing
or
the
subject.
Property
is
a
nice
little
house.
I
It's
pretty
much
unadulterated
in
the
form
from
the
form
in
which
it
was
built
in
1927,
with
the
exception
of
some
interior
changes
and
the
fact
that,
probably
in
the
50s
somebody
came
along
and
put
alcoa,
siding
and
alcoa
window
wraps
and
all
that
kind
of
thing
around
the
around
the
original
structure.
So
that's
still
intact
today,
for
the
most
part,
part
of
this
project
will
be
removing
that
and
restoring
the
siding
to
its
original.
I
I
My
house
is
the
one
that
has
the
push
pin
in
it
and
I
just
wanted
to
indicate
three
other
houses
on
this
street
bruce
street
isn't
a
very
long
street.
I
think
there's
only
13
houses
on
the
streets
just
off
of
morrison
and
these
particular
three
houses
have
done
a
modification
in
a
rear
edition,
very
similar
to
the
one
that
I'm
going
to
be
requesting.
Now
the
original
site
plan
is
here:
it
shows
the
existing
structure
with
the
small
little
deck,
with
a
with
a
shed
roof
on
it,
which
will
be
removed.
I
Okay,
the
new
site
plan-
and
I
apologize
when
I
copied
this
in
here-
it
didn't
really
translate
very
well,
but
I
think
the
stuff
that's
on
the
website
is
a
little
bit
more
legible,
but
what
I'm
going
to
be
doing
is
taking
and
going
over
the
top
of
a
portion
of
the
rear
of
the
house
beyond
further
back
than
the
center
line
of
the
ridge,
so
it'll
be
behind
the
ridge
line,
so
we'll
be
adding
on
to
the
top
of
the
house
and
then
extending
about
18
feet
beyond
that.
I
With
the
same
second
story,
kind
of
scenario,
we're
expanding
slightly
from
the
existing
line
of
the
house
on
the
north
side-
which
is
this
side
right
here,
so
that
it'll
break
up
the
design
a
little
bit
and
provide
a
little
bit
more
area
over
here
for
cars,
and
things
like
that.
So
the
demo
plan.
I
Includes
taking
this
area
right
here,
it
was
a
third
bedroom,
but
the
previous
owner
kind
of
cannibalized
it
to
make
a
big
walk-in
closet
and
a
master
bath
and
a
second
and
a
half
bath.
So
this
will
all
be
removed
and
the
wall
that
exists
there
right
now,
which
is
here,
is
going
to
be
moved,
moved
forward
to
the
house
just
a
little
bit
and
it
will
be
a
new
supporting
structure
upon
which
it
will
be
a
load-bearing
wall
for
the
second-story
flooring.
I
The
cross-hatched
wall
right
here
is
currently
a
bearing
wall
and
we're
going
to
go
and
reinforce
that
wall
and
install
a
foundation
stem
wall
underneath
that
and
support
the
second
story
on
that
side
of
the
on
that
side
of
the
edition
with
that
wall-
and
I
don't
have
the
specifics
on
exactly
what
that
looks
like,
but
that'll
be
something
that
will
be
presented
in
the
engineering
drawings
when
in
fact
we
have
them
so
we're
going
to
put
a
guest
room
and
a
family
room
there
and
open
up
the
kitchen.
So
it's
it's!
I
You
see
the
family
room
a
little
bit
living
area
there
and
then
on
the
second
story.
The
floor
plan
looks
like
this
windows
across
the
front
picture
windows.
You
don't
have
much
two
by
two
picture
windows,
because
we
don't
have
much
room
above
the
ridge
line
or
that
walls
are
very
long
and
very
tall,
so
we'll
put
some
some
windows
in
there
and
then
keeping
as
the
front
appearance.
I
So
here
the
the
elevations.
This
is
the
existing
elevation
on
the
left
hand,
side
and
the
proposed
elevation
on
the
right
hand
side.
So
just
commenting
on
this
briefly,
this
house
has
kind
of
long
semi-hipped
roof.
If
you
will
much
longer
than
I
think,
I've
ever
seen
and
we're
going
to
try
to
continue
that
same
dimension
in
terms
of
the
length
of
that
semi
hip
on
the
top
portions
of
the
roof
and
the
front
depending
upon
you
know
how
wide
how
long
the
roof
span
is.
So
that's
kind
of
what
that'll
look
like
there.
I
I
So
that's
what
that
looks
like
this
is
the
southern
elevation,
so
the
existing
elevation-
and
you
can
see
here
that
the
the
structure
on
the
second
floor
is
well
behind
the
ridge
ridgeline,
as
is
the
extension
of
the
of
the
roof
there
in
the
in
the
soffit
of
the
roof
and
we're
keeping
the
window
dimensions
here
consistent
with,
what's
here
and
out,
as
well
as
on
top
okay.
So
that's
the
side
elevation
from
the
south.
I
I
Here
foundation
will
be
a
block
foundation
with
brick
veneer,
and
I
have
some
pictures
of
a
similar
project.
I
did
with
that
kind
of
veneer
on
it,
which
I
can
show
you.
If
it's
of
interest
to
you,
I'm
talking
about
fenestration,
I'm
going
to
be
using
geldwin
siteline
windows.
I
The
model
numbers
are
not
called
out
on
the
drawing
and
the
drawing
call
out
which
is
listed
on
the
left-hand
side
of
this.
This
page
is
a
different
call-out,
but
the
geldwin
sight
line
product
codes
are
listed
as
well
as
the
nominal
width
and
heights,
which
match
the
existing
windows
that
are
in
the
house.
B
I
The
current
windows
have,
as
you
saw,
sat
grids
in
the
top
sash.
Only
it's
not
the
original
windows
that
are
in
the
house.
You
use
a
5
8
grid.
If
you
will,
and
the
spacing
between
the
center
lines
of
the
grids
is
six
inches
the
front
of
the
house
and
the
sides
of
the
house
now
actually
have
a
replacement
window
in
there.
It
really
isn't
architecturally
correct.
It
uses
a
7,
8
beaded
grid
and
it's
a
sash
pack.
I
I
Okay
it'll
be
finished,
and
I
have
an
example
of
what
the
wall
section
would
look
like
here
with
a
five
quarter,
inch
thick
four
and
a
half
4.25
inch
wide
trim
board,
so
the
siding
will
butt
to
that,
and
I
have
I
have
a
feature
here
that
shows
you.
I
have
a
mock-up
of
what
that
actually
looks
like
okay.
These
will
be
the
lights
in
these
windows
will
be
a
set,
what's
called
a
simulated,
divided
light.
This
is
an
example
off
of
gentleman's
website
of
what
they
look
like.
I
So
here's,
let's
talk
about
exterior
features,
so
I've
pulled
off
some
of
the
siding
in
the
rear
of
the
house
and
below
the
siding.
You
can
see
the
two
and
a
half
inch
dolly
hardened
siding.
Oddly
enough,
it
only
had
two
coats
of
paint
on
it,
which
means
it
must
have
been
the
vinyl.
The
aluminum
siding
must
have
been
put
on
pretty
early
in
its
life
and
I
guess
what
they
did
when
they
did
this
is
they
removed
the
trim
boards
that
were
on
the
side
of
the
house
that
shadow
line
measures
about
4.25
inches?
I
Just
another
shot
of
what
what
it
looks
like,
I
don't
think
that's
maybe
adds
too
much
to
the
to
the
discussion,
but
the
exterior
finishes
then
so
that
the
siding
will
be.
You
know,
dollyvarton
clapboard,
siding
two
and
a
half
inch
reveal.
If
you
will,
the
remnant
surrounds
will
be,
as
I
stated,
five
quarter
inch
on
the
sides
where
it's
not
molded
will
be
four
and
four
point:
two
five,
but
in
the
center-
and
I
just
excerpt
a
couple
of
examples.
I
Currently,
the
windows
that
are
molded
together
that
are
side
by
side
in
the
center
they're
separated
by
a
7.25
inch
trim
board.
So
I'd
be
seeking
to
duplicate
that
same
kind
of
look
with
the
windows
and
stuff
like
that.
That
we'd
be
adding
once
again
replacing
the
corner
trim
with
five
quarter
by
four
and
a
quarter.
The
soffit
is
will
be
exposed
rafters
two
by
six
rafter
tail.
I
This
house
has
fairly
long
rafter
tails
if
you
measure
from
the
wall
to
the
end
of
the
rafter
tail
on
the
existing
house
in
the
horizontal
direction.
It's
about
it's
almost
30
inches,
so
I'd
be
seeking
to
match
that
in
this
case,
and
then
the
the
underside
of
the
soffit
has
this
classic
kind
of
b
board
there.
So
I
would
be
replacing
the
I
would
be
putting
this
on
the
underside
of
of
the
of
the
soffit
area,
okay,
so
here's
the
kind
of
exterior
appearance
that
I'm
going
for.
Okay,
the
finished
appearance.
I
This
happens
to
be
a
house
on
rome
that
a
guy-
it's
not
too
far
from
my
house.
I
drive
by
it
all
the
time
that
a
guy
restored,
it's
very
similar
kind
of
siding
and
in
window
trim,
and
all
that
kind
of
thing.
This
is
kind
of
a
look
that
I
want
to
try
to
produce
with
this
house
when,
when,
when
I'm
done
with
it,
which
will
be
a
very
kind
of
original
look
right
to
give
you
an
idea
of
a
home
that
I
did
before
on
west
on
this
is
on
west
palm
drive.
I
This
was
a
house
that
was
looked
kind
of
like
my
neighbor's
house,
starting
out
the
front
porch.
The
second
story
edition
in
the
rear
was
not
on
there.
These
windows
didn't
exist
like
that,
so
I
did
that
kind
of
thing.
It
has
some
of
the
architectural
features
that
I'm
talking
about
here,
along
with
some
extra
other
ones,
but
this
is
the
kind
of
look
that
I'd
be
trying
to
produce
with
mine
as
well.
I
I
The
the
brick
veneer-
this
is
all
brick
veneer
that
you're
seeing
here,
but
this
is
the
kind
of
brick
veneer
that
I
would
be
wanting
to
do
on
the
exposed
portion
of
the
of
the
foundation
which
isn't
going
to
be
more
than
about
a
foot
and
a
half.
I
don't
think.
I
Just
more
of
that,
this
is
one
of
the
neighbors
houses
that
have
done
this.
This
is
a
good
rendition
of
what
my
addition
will
look
like
in
terms
of
the
window
surrounds
and
the
rafter
tails,
and
things
like
that.
Okay,.
I
I
Out
so
this
is
this
is
the
mock-up
that
I
have,
but
this
is
basically
the
way
it'll
look.
This
is
the
trim
board.
This
is
the
two
inch
set.
This
is
a
two
inch
sill
and
you
can
see
the
reveal
that's
presented
on
the
side
here,
with
the
siding
abutted
to
the
five
quarter.
Inch
or
five
quarter
inch
trim
board.
So
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
good
look
and
then
on
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
siding
where
it
actually
meets
the
bottom
of
the
house.
I
I'd
put
a
five
quarter
by
two,
which
would
be
an
inch
and
a
half
trim
board
down
there.
That
will
have
a
slight
quarter
inch
protrusion
below
this
surface
on
the
bottom
of
the
house,
and
I
would
paint
that
the
same
color
as
the
siding
so
it'll
give
it
a
you
know.
It
won't
just
look
like
the
siding
ends
at
the
bottom
of
the
house,
which
isn't
the
look
that
I
prefer.
I
So
that's
that
and
then
so
here
here
are
the
examples
I
was
going
to
show
you.
This
is
905
bruce
street,
which
is
two
doors
to
the
to
the
to
the
north
of
me.
It's
kind
of
hard
to
photograph
this
because
there's
a
big
tree
in
the
front
yard,
but
this
is
a
view
from
the
south,
and
you
can
see
this
whole
area
has
been
added
on
in
a
very
similar
way
as
to
what
I
would
be
proposing:
here's
904
bruce,
which
is
across
the
street
in
the
same
location.
I
That's
the
third
property,
and
then
this
is
my
neighbor's
house,
and
I
think
she
did
this
about
18
years
ago,
but
that's
911
bruce
street
that
what's
my
property.
Okay,
now.
I
I
So
I
think
that,
with
the
exception
of
a
couple
of
other
comments
here-
which
I
don't
quite
understand-
but
you
know
the
the
ac
will
be
shielded
from
the
street
via
the
fence-
that's
already
there,
so
the
fence
exists.
Now
all
the
way
around
the
house.
I
So
that
pretty
much
concludes
my
presentation.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
F
Good
evening,
commissioners
ron
villa
staff
finds
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park
design
guidelines
moving
through
the
conditions
that
are
reflected
on
the
staff
report
on
page
four,
the
first
bullet
item
is
I
work
with
the
homeowner
to
expose
the
site
underneath
it's
always
a
good
position
to
start
to
show
what
the
the
bones
of
the
structure
are.
F
So
we're
not
guessing,
so
he
provided
this
one
doc
with
some
documentation
and
direction
and
then
to
to
complement
the
existing
contributing
structure
and
moving
forward
with
the
addition
he
did
address
the
the
fencing
is
going
to
remain
and
the
fencing
will
buffer
the
ac
units.
F
The
addition,
the
additional
items
here,
as
far
as
the
incorporation
of
a
vertical
band
board
on
the
south
elevation
staff
no
longer
has
a
concern
incorporating
that.
But
there
is
the
possibility
to
break
up
the
massing
that
two-story
volume
that
he
has
with
the
introduction
of
a
belt
course.
F
F
F
He
did
speak
about
the
determination
of
deciding
how
it
meets
the
foundation
and
I
believe,
the
last
item
that
possibly
was
an
oversight
as
well
as
their
final
roof
material.
F
That
concludes
staff's
portion
and
I'll,
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
All
right.
A
B
Yes,
sir,
I
do
have
one
question:
you've
made
a
presentation
this
evening
of
a
number
of
photographs
of
adjacent
or
nearby
properties.
Yes,
as
a
as
a
point
of
press
precedence
towards
your
design,
efforts
have
those
photographs
been
entered
into
the
record.
E
I
I
C
I
had
a
question
about
the
picture
windows.
You
referenced
a
couple
of
photos
that
incorporated
more
of
a
similar
style
as
to
what
was
shown
on
their
buildings,
the
existing
structures,
so
the
four
panel
window
was
used
in
one
reference
and
then
there
was
one
that
used
a
more
simplified.
I
I
C
Four
here
which
of
the
references-
this
is
just
a
point
of
conversation.
I
Well,
I
so
I
referenced
I
referenced
this
right
here.
I
I
And
show
the
other,
so
you
know
you're
right.
I
mean
I
don't
know
what's
behind
here,
but
it's
probably
a
bathroom
or
something
like
that
where
they
need
to
have
a
shorter
window.
But-
and
I
don't
you
know
these-
seem
to
match
the
size
of
the
other
house
if
you're
referencing,
that
I
mean
there's
really.
I
C
The
the
one
that
you
had
pointed
out
is
the
one
that
I
was
thinking.
I
I
I
was
just
thinking
that
they're
like
a
little
busy
because
you've
got
them
all
stacked
together,
but
I'll
leave
that
for
conversation
with
my
fellow
commissioners
and
then
staff
had
mentioned,
incorporating
a
belt
course
to
break
up
the
massing.
Is
that
has
that
been
considered.
C
Okay,
I
don't
have
any
additional.
B
I
Certainly,
there
is-
and
really
I
I
you
know,
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
mission
but
yeah.
I
would
plan
to
put
some
sort
of
a
an
extension
across
the
top
of
this
door
right
here,
and
I
would
add
that
I
would
also
do
the
same
kind
of
thing
across
the
top
of
the
french
doors
in
the
rear,
and
it
would
have
to
be
an
extension.
I
don't
know
how
how
long,
but
probably
at
least
three
feet
so
so.
For
me,.
I
D
I
think
that's
where
the
commentary
is
coming
from
when
it
comes
to
porches
and
things
like
that.
That's
really,
especially
something
at
a
rear
elevation.
I
think
that's
really
something
where
you
have
to
look
at
the
historic
precedent
and
really
be
comfortable
with
that
move,
but
I
I
would
you
know.
D
Okay
and
then,
and
in
terms
of
the
rear
steps,
I
suppose
that's
where
all
these
doors
are,
that.
I
D
A
I
So
I've
crawled
under
this
house,
okay.
In
order
to
do
that,
I
had
to
take
about
a
foot
down.
Okay,
so
I
suspect,
there's
probably
about
three
feet
between
between
no
it's
probably
about
a
foot
or
foot
and
a
half.
I
can't
I
can't
sneak
under
there
myself
without
without
excavating
a
little
bit,
but
remember
that
that's
a
that
foundation
is
a
pier.
Those
are
all
set
on
piers
right,
but
this
foundation
will
be
more
or
less
a
continuous
stem
wall.
I
So
I,
whatever
whatever's
there
it'd,
probably
be
about
like
this
much
will
be
a
brick
veneer
right
with
some
holes,
for
you
know,
venting
and
things
like
that.
A
I
I
A
The
only
other
question
that
I
had
and
you've
started
to
mention
this.
If
you
could
pull
up
your,
let's
do
the
new
site
plan.
If
you
wouldn't
mind.
A
So
I
wanted
to
see
if
you
could
real
quickly
run
through
again,
if
we're
looking
at
the
existing
house
and
kind
of
where
the
the
north
and
the
southern
wall
edges
are
the
south
wall
kind
of
either
stays
in
line
with
that
or
steps
back,
but
then
on
the
north
it
does
kind
of
step
beyond
the
existing
wall
and
protrude
out
of
there,
so
that
it's
something
you
can't
see
from
the
front
yeah.
I
About
this
area
right
here-
yes,
sir
yeah,
no,
there
really
wasn't
we'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
widen
the
house
a
little
bit,
and
I
I
thought
that
by
having
a
slight
jog
in
that
right
there
and
not
extending
it
all
the
way
up
here
presented
a
better
architectural
feature
from
the
side
of
the
house
from
the
northern
side
of
the
house
right,
because
my
neighbor's
going
to
be
looking
at
this
right.
So
that's
kind
of
what
I
was
thinking.
I
A
Okay
and
then
do
you
have
a
wall
section,
I
don't
know.
Okay.
Are
there
any
additional
comments
or
questions
from
any
of
the
commissioners.
E
I
I'm
not
sure
I
have
any
rebuttals.
I
you
know
happy
to
take
the
suggestions
made
by
the
council
into
consideration
incorporate
those
into
the
final
drawings
when
I,
when
I
get
them
done.
A
D
Well,
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
any
wall
sections.
Typically
by
this
point
we
would
expect
wall
sections
to
be
presented.
I
think
you
did
a
fairly
a
really
good
job
of
documenting
with
photographs,
both
precedent
and
the
existing
conditions
that
you've
been
able
to
uncover.
So
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
I
have
a
very
clear
understanding
of
the
intent,
but
we
do
we
do
have
to
have
some
very
basic
sort
of
documentation,
so
I'm
a
little
perplexed
that
we
got
this
far
and
no
wall
sections.
D
I
actually
find
the
belt
course
a
little
awkward
for
this
house
because
of
the
style
of
the
original
structure.
When
you
look
at
the
two
side,
elevations
in
relationship
to
the
they,
I
don't
think
they'll
marry
very
well
and
I
think
that's
forcing
something
with
the
vertical
bands.
That's
why
I
asked
to
look
at
your
side
elevations
again
with
the
two
vertical
bands
that
you've
added
between
the
new
and
the
existing,
because
they
are
a
flush
plane.
D
C
I
do
think
the
existing
and
the
new
are
broken
up
nicely.
I
think-
and
I
believe,
like
I
think,
the
roof
structures
sort
of
relate
to
each
other
nicely.
I
did
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
about
the
window
patterns
from
the
front
and
like
how
they're
clustered
and
then
the
pattern
I'm.
D
Glad
you
said
that,
because
that
was
one
thing
I
did
mean
to
comment
on
that
you
had
brought
up.
I
It
would
be
vertical
okay
with
two
vertical
grids,
which
means
three
lights.
D
Okay,
so,
but
I
do
I
do
agree
with
my
fellow
commissioner
in
that
I
felt
like
maybe
the
quantity
could
be
reduced
by
one
and
renegotiate
the
pattern
of
those
windows,
especially
from
the
front.
I
think
it's
the
front
elevation
that
disturbs
me
that.
E
B
Well,
on
that
front,
elevation
point
we're
at
a
disadvantage
because
we're
looking
at
this
as
a
very
simple
elevation
drawing
you
would
never
really
see
it
in
that
fashion.
B
Oh
you'd
see
more
of
a
perspective
at
some
angle
as
you
approach
the
building
from
one
side
of
the
street
or
the
other,
and
I
could
see
exactly
how
that
would
fit
together
with
some
of
the
precedents
that
were
presented
this
evening,
particularly
that
house
on
palm
avenue.
I
believe
it
was
which
has
the
the
gang
mini
windows
that
you're
trying
to
bring
forward
on
all
of
this.
So
I'm
not
really
disturbed
at
all
about
those
windows,
their
size
and
and
their
placement.
I
think
they're
all
entirely
appropriate.
B
I
think
what
he's
doing
is
is,
if
you
will
part
reinforcing
of
the
the
corner
edges
of
of
that
addition,
as
you
see
it
from
various
perspectives.
The
other
point,
too,
is
is
the
bell
course.
I'm
not
terribly
convinced
that
the
bell
course
is
a
necessary
item
on
this
building
addition
simply
because
that
I
would
be
scratching
my
head
right
now
to
determine
from
where
on
the
original
building
would
such
a
line
spring
from,
because
unless
it
has
a
decent
starting
point,
I
don't
think
it
would
fit
very
well.
B
So
I
think
I
think,
you're
on
the
right
track
here
without
I
think
you're
going
through
a
lot
of
not
a
lot
of
trouble,
but
enough
trouble
to
make
sure
that
you're,
citing
as
a
choice
for
both
the
renovation
and
the
addition
meld
it
together
very
well,
and
that's
a
very,
very
small.
Almost
as
you
see
on
your
on
your
drawings,
almost
like
a
pencil
line,
that's
the
kind
of
shadow
effect
that
you
would
have.
A
I
would
tend
to
agree,
I
think
the
belt
course
because
of
the
northern
and
southern
elevations,
and
how
that
roof
line
ties
in
right
now
and
where
you're,
putting
your
new
two-story
edition,
it
really
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
nice
place
to
add
it.
So
in
my
mind,
I
don't
think
it's
needed
personally
the
wall
section,
as
a
commissioner
mentioned,
I
I
think
yes,
it
would
be
nice
to
see
that.
A
But
it
would
be
nice
to
have
that
wall
section
presented,
so
we
could
see
it
so
right
now
do
we
need
to
reopen
if
we.
E
Are
you
I'm
sorry,
mario
pettis,
not
before
the
record,
are
you
gonna
or
do
you
want
to
ask
a
question
of
the
applicant
or
are
you
ready.
A
A
Okay,
so
for
me
I
think
the
you
know
the
some
of
the
dorm
door-
information
hardware
lighting.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
stuff
can
get
worked
out.
The
windows
placements
and
layouts.
I
tend
to
agree
with
commissioner
sutton.
I
don't
know
if
you
would
truly
see
some
of
those
and
some
of
the
examples
that
were
presented.
A
D
D
D
That's
the
that's
the
one
that
I'm
actually
pointing
out
the
rear
one
I'm
not
so
concerned
about.
That
seems
to
be
more
of
a
homeowner
desire,
but
when
you
see
a
side
door
that
is
especially
associated
with
a
kitchen
area
that
becomes
a
service
store
and
historically
those
are
those
tend
to
be
treated
differently.
Okay,
so.
A
C
B
Not
I'm
going
to
go
back
on
a
particular
comment
I
made
earlier
for
you,
sir,
when
I
first
saw
the
drawings
for
the
elevation.
My
initial
impression
was
ouch,
it's
a
big
addition
on
a
small
jewel
box
sort
of
a
building,
but
to
me
it
it
was
your
presentation
of
presidents
that
really
saved
the
day.
I
think
that
that
that
made
your
case
very.
C
A
B
A
G
G
District
to
the
the
photos
on
the
overhead
here,
the
first
image
you
see
is
the
1920
sanborn
map
of
this
part
of
the
seminole
heights,
historic
district
with
the
property
in
question
outlined
in
green.
You
can
see
that
it's
located
at
the
northwest
corner
of
wilder
avenue
and
branch
avenue.
G
G
So
the
house
faces
branch
avenue.
This
is
a
view
of
it
from
that
street,
so
we'll
be
looking
west
in
this
picture.
G
You
can
see
that
like
many
houses
in
tampa
heights,
it's
a
bungalow
with
craftsman
features
and
there's
a
something
that
looks
like
an
integrated
pork
share,
except
it
is
actually
elevated
to
be
the
same
level
height
as
the
porch.
So,
instead
of
having
a
pork
poor
crochet,
this
house
has
sort
of
a
wraparound
porch
on
that
side,
and
this
is
not
typical,
but
it
is
often
I
wouldn't
say
it's
often
seen
sorry,
but
it
is
seen
on
some
other
corner
properties
in
the
historic
district.
G
G
And
then
moving
back
around
the
south
side,
there
there's
that
view
again,
and
this
will
be
looking
sort
of
north
east
at
the
house
from
wilder.
So
you
can
see
the
back
side
of
the
house
and
then
the
alley
is
located
just
at
the
bottom
left
of
the
photo
here
and
then
this
photo
is
looking
directly
straight
on
at
the
rear
of
the
house,
so
we're
facing
east
in
this
picture,
you
can
see
that
the
house
does
have
a
variety
of
materials
these
this.
G
This
is
an
example
of
the
grouped
windows
on
the
main
house.
G
You
can
see
the
skirt
that
runs
below
the
windows
there
and
it
has
the
the
shingles
on
that
portion
of
the
building,
there's
just
the
wood
siding
on
the
body
of
the
house
and
then
there's
a
pattern
stucco
that
is
applied
to
the
porch
beam
and
is
on
the
columns
for
the
porch
as
well.
G
Here
again
is
that
on
shingle
siding
and
you
can
see
the
detail
of
the
the
lattice
and
the
the
porch
gable
there.
This
is
another
detail
photo.
You
can
see
the
pattern
in
the
stucco
pretty
a
little
bit
better
there.
You
can
also
make
out
the
bracket
supporting
the
the
overhang
it's
another
nice
little
detail
on
that
particular
house.
G
So
this
is
the
property
to
the
north.
Here
we
are
on
branch
avenue,
just
one
parcel
to
the
north,
the
there's
a
house
there.
It
sits
at
the
the
rear
of
the
property,
and
then
this
is
looking
across
branch
at
the
house.
That's
at
the
northeast
corner
of
that
intersection.
G
G
Wilder
this
picture
is
looking
east
on
wilder,
so
that
apartment
building
would
be
to
your
right
in
the
subject
site
to
your
left.
G
G
Here
we
are
looking
north
in
the
alley,
so
there's
the
just
to
the
right
would
be
your
subject,
property
and
then
next
we
have
and
the
house
that
you
saw
at
the
very
rear
of
the
property
just
to
the
north
and
the
other
structures
to
the
along
the
property
line.
On
the
other
side
of
the
alley
there
and
then
looking
south
on
the
alley
toward
wilder
the
subject
site
would
be
on
your
left
and
at
this
time,
I'll
ask
the
applicant
to
come
forward
to
make
a
presentation.
A
A
A
E
J
My
name
is
joanne
peck,
I'm
with
historic,
shed
and
I'm
the
designer
and
we'll
also
be
building
this.
It's
an
accessory
building.
It's
a
we're,
proposing
a
two-car
detached
garage
to
be
located
at
the
rear
of
the
property
we
meeting
all
of
the
required
setbacks.
We
have
a
five-foot
setback
from
the
alley
and
this
would
be
entered
from
the
street
on
wilder
with
a
10
foot
setback
from
the
property
line.
J
C
J
J
J
There
and
then
the
rear
of
the
property.
There
would
be
a
pedestrian
door.
So
obviously
you
get
out
of
your
car
close
the
garage
door
walk
into
the
backyard,
and
we
would
do
it
would
be
a
steel
door
as
well
or
fiberglass,
and
it's
got
a
mission
style,
design
and
I'll
show
an
image.
I
think
I
have
one
of
those
installed
in
the
project.
J
J
J
G
A
J
Do
this
is
what
I'm
proposing
at
the
moment.
D
You
don't
have
an
example
image
of
that:
okay
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
gable
vent.
How
exactly
will
you
be
constructing
that?
Does
that
show
that
indeed,
clearly
on
your
wall,
section
like.
J
A
Okay,
any
other
exist
or
questions
from
commissioners.
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
We're
going
to
be
closing
this
portion
of
the
public
hearing
and
now
the
commissioners
will
discuss
the
case.
A
D
A
C
I
moved
to
grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
hearing
arc
20-246
for
the
property
located
at
5102
north
branch
avenue
for
the
following
with
the
following
conditions:
that
the
existing
granite
is
noted
to
sink
existing
granite
in
place
and
that
the
hardware
is
approved
by
staff
because
based
upon
the
following,
based
on
the
finding
effect,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
seminal
heights
design
guidelines
for
the
city
of
tampa.
For
the
following
reasons
that
the
scale
alignment
and
setback
is
consistent
with
the
guidelines.
E
F
F
The
primary
structure
is
a
circa
1920,
contributing
structure
height.
It's
a
high-end
structure
as
I
go
through
the
photos,
you'll
see
the
the
materials
that
are
incorporated
into
this
structure.
F
F
This
is
looking
from
above.
This
is
the
primary
structure.
This
is
a
non-contributing
automobile
storage,
slash
shed
building.
Once
again,
you
have
watrus,
you
have
the
alley
you
have
albany
to
the
west
and
you
have
fremont
to
the
east.
F
This
is
a
historic
photo
that
we
have
in
our
archives.
You
see
the
rock
that
was
incorporated
into
the
structure,
the
screened
in
porch
portion
of
it
today.
I'll
show
you
another
photo
that
the
screening
comes
all
the
way
here.
Then
you
see
the
shake
shingles
above
there's
some
casement
windows
period,
casement
windows
that
are
still
there
today
and
then
the
lap
siding
try
to
get
the
same
angle.
F
F
F
F
E
J
Hi
joanne
peck
again
from
historic
shed.
J
That
is
one
of
my
favorite
houses.
I
think
it's
a
lot
of
people's
favorite
houses
in
hyde
park
with
that
stone.
What
we're
proposing
here
is
a
detached,
two-story
accessory
building
16
by
24
feet.
J
We
had
originally
designed
it
so
that
it
would
be
an
actual
garage
on
the
first
floor,
and
then
there
was
some
conversation
with
the
homeowners.
They
did
not
want
a
garage
that
wasn't
really
what
they
wanted.
They
thought
they
had
to
have
a
garage.
So
what
I'm
presenting
today
is
just
going
to
be
storage
on
the
first
floor
and
I'll
go
over
some
of
some
of
that.
As
we
go
on,
they
have
adequate
parking
on
on
site.
J
It
is
four
foot
from
the
side
property
line
and
they
have
asked
to
put
it
10
foot
from
the
rear
of
the
property
and
that's
for
a
couple
of
reasons
not
for
vehicular
access,
but
so
that,
because
there's
an
overhang
on
the
back
that
we're
proposing
don't
want
the
garbage
trucks
to
knock
it
over
anybody
coming
down
the
alley,
plus
there's
kind
of
a
staging
room
for
your
garbage
cans
to
be
a
place
where
you
take
your
bikes
out.
You
know
and
just
have
a
little
bit
more
room
from
the
alley.
J
J
J
So
we
just
are
proposing
two
brackets,
one
on
either
side
pair
of
double
hung,
windows,
centered,
very
symmetrical,
easy
elevation
and
then
we're
doing
a
pair
of
three
foot
doors.
So
it's
a
six
foot
wide
opening
and
then
it
would
have
an
overhang
over
the
doors
we
have
exterior
stairs
they'd
be
wood,
just
a
simple
two
by
two
railing
and
four
by
four
posts.
On
the
stairs.
J
This
is
the
elevation
that
would
be
facing
the
yard
and
you
can
see
where
the
stairs
are.
They
come
up,
they
turn
and
then
at
the
top.
We
would
have
a
door,
that's
a
mission
style,
fiberglass
door
and
then
there
would
be
a
pedestrian
door
at
the
lower
level
leading
into
the
yard
and
then
we'd
have
those
overhangs.
You
can
see
on
the
sides
how
those
would
look
both
on
the
front
and
the
rear
of
the
of
the
elevations.
J
J
C
E
E
J
First
floor
floor
plan,
as
I
said:
it's
they
want
it
for
storage
at
some
point.
They
want
the
option
if
they
put
in
a
pool
of
this
actually
being
more
of
a
pool
cabana
and
if
he's
subdivided,
so
you
would
have
both
the
storage
area
and
then,
whatever
the
pool
cabana
might
be
finished
out
with,
and
that's
why
there
are
the
doors
at
both
ends.
J
J
J
So
the
images
I
showed
before
are
pretty
similar,
but
just
so
you
see,
this
is
a
property,
an
accessory
building
that
we
built
pretty
nearby
and
it
has
a
lot
of
the
same
details.
This
one
had
a
lower
roof
slope,
but
you
can
see
the
same
water
table
detail
brackets
the
same
door
that
we
would
be
using
for
the
garage
door
in
the
same
window.
Configuration.
J
J
J
J
So
this
happens
to
actually
be
the
next
door,
neighbors
property,
that
we
did
a
renovation
on
and
again
it
has
the
similar
mission
style
door.
We
would
have
one
that
has
just
the
three
lights
instead
of
the
six
lights
in
the
opening,
and
we've
now
found
a
supplier
with
a
flush
glaze,
so
it
doesn't
have
that
kind
of
awful
surround
around
the
windows.
E
F
F
First
thing
that
kind
of
jumps
out
at
you
is
how
watered
down
this
is
to
the
primary
structure,
which
would
not
be
out
of
character.
The
secondary
structure,
a
lot
of
times
would
not
have
the
details
of
the
primary
structure,
so
that
would
not
be
uncommon.
Sometimes
it
does
take
all
the
cues
from
the
primary
structure,
but
it
would
not
be
out
of
line
the
the
plans
that
I
reviewed.
There
was
no
windows
on
the
right
elevation
as
it
was
listed
today
that
was
presented.
F
There
were
two
windows
on
that
elevation
to
to
kind
of
to
break
that
up
the
the
illustration
that
was
shown
this
evening.
The
paired
windows
on
the
front
were
not
drawn
properly
with
the
mall
bar
in
between
they
looked
like
they
were
two
separate
windows,
so
that
mall
is
a
solid
ball.
F
That
is
a
wider
appearance
than
the
two
vertical
members
to
allow
for
the
introduce
the
introduction
of
the
weight
pockets,
and
I
understand
that
you
know
these
windows
don't
have
the
weight
pockets,
but
that
was
for
the
larger
dimension
that
you
see
that's
incorporated
and
then.
F
Lastly,
on
the
plans
it
said:
optional
shingles,
so
what
was
presented
today
was
that
they
had
the
shingles
on
the
front
elevation
that
that
faces
watrus
and
there
were
no
shingles
on
the
back,
so
maybe
further
discussion
if
they
need
to
be
incorporated
or
not
I'll,
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you
all
right.
A
B
B
B
B
So
please
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong
on
this.
The
way
I
read
this
photograph,
which
is
not
as
sharp
as
some
of
the
others
that
we've
seen
this
evening,
the
gable
end
on
that
second
story.
Airplane
portion
of
this
bungalow
does
not
seem
to
have
the
same
kind
of
shake
work
that
is
done
on
scene
on
the
front
of
the
building.
Is
that
correct.
B
So
for
me,
and
I'm
addressing
you
as
the
designer
then
you're,
following
through
in
pretty
much
the
same
vein
for
your
addition
for
your
accessory
structure,
where
you
have
the
shake
work
on
the
front
and
the
plane
collaborate
on
the
back.
Yes,
thank
you.
A
I
have
a
question
for
staff
real
quick
about
the
shingles,
since
it's
noted
on
the
plans
is
optional.
Do
we
need
to
specify
if
those
should
be
on
or
included
or
not.
F
D
And
do
you
have
examples
of
the
hardware
or
lighting
for
this
particular
structure,
property.
J
For
the
doors-
and
I
should
have
brought
this
up
for
the
other-
but
there
is
a
black
hardware-
it's
kind
of
a
faux
hinge.
Okay,
it's
black.
A
Could
we
look
at
your
site
plan
real
quick?
I
have
a
question
for
you
about
the
ac
unit.
A
Okay,
one
of
the
questions
that
I
had
so
right
now
on
the
site
plan.
As
I've
read
it,
it
mentions
and
we
either
zoom
out
or
just
maybe
adjust
it.
So
we
could
see
okay,
so
it
says
future
fence
with
gate.
J
J
A
Okay,
I
have
no
additional
further
questions.
Any
other
questions.
A
Okay,
at
this
point,
the
applicant
is
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
we'll
be
closing
this
portion
of
the
public
hearing
and
the
commissioners
can
now
discuss
the
case.
Does
anyone
like
to
begin
or
have
anything
to
discuss.
B
Since
I
brought
it
up,
I
really
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
the
cable
lens
of
this,
this
accessory
structure
front
being
different
than
the
the
rear,
considering
that
it
follows
through
and
exactly
well,
not
exactly,
but
close
enough
condition
as
the
existing
structure.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
interplay.
I
like
that.
C
There's
some
details
from
the
main
house
that
might
have
been
nice
to
have
included.
I
don't
have
any
objection
to
the
the
presentation
but
like
the
the
the
sill
under
the
window,
how
it's
narrow
and
wraps,
as
opposed
to
the
thicker
thicker
belt,
wrapping,
that's
sort
of
just
a
detail
to
marry
it
to
the
house.
A
Okay,
is
there,
was
there
any
concerns
about
the
front
or
the
windows
on
the
front
based
off
of
what
staff
asked
or
mentioned.
A
Okay,
that's
it
then.
Would
a
commissioner
like
to
make
a
motion.
C
Lighting
and
hardware
specifications
be
approved
with
staff,
as
well
as
the
location
of
the
new
fence
and
gate
is
approved
with
staff
because,
based
upon
the
finding
of
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park,
design
guidelines
of
the
city
of
tampa
for
the
following
reasons:
the
facade
proportions
and
window
patterns.
The
alignment
and
setback
are
consistent
with
the
guidelines.