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A
Public
hearing
for
the
on
sorry,
wednesday
october,
6th
2021
for
the
city
of
tampa's
architectural
review,
commission
welcome
everyone
and
I'm
susan
clough
smith,
I'm
an
architect,
and
today
I
am
serving
as
the
chair
for
the
commission,
I'm
also
the
vice
chair.
A
If
you're
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
When
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
The
commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation.
A
Following
following
the
public
comment,
the
commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
your
presentation
when
you
do
come
to
the
microphone,
whether
or
not
you're
presenting
or
here,
to
make
a
statement
for
against
the
case.
Please
state
and
spell
your
name
clearly,
if
you're
here
to
name
mine
your
time.
That's
why
you're
not
supposed
to
ad-lib
this!
Your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes
so
take
some
time
now.
A
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
following
public
comment:
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
and
then
the
public
hearing
will
then
be
closed.
The
only
comments
which
will
which
will
be
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
is
closed
will
be
in
response
to
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
A
B
A
E
F
Good
evening,
commissioners
ron
villam
staff
with
historic
preservation
moving
down
the
agenda
to
continuations.
We
have
three
that
are
reflected
on
this
evening's
agenda.
Two
of
them
are
going
to
travel
together.
If
we
could
get
a
motion
for
those
two
and
then
the
last
one
will
need
a
separate
motion.
F
This
is
for
the
address
of
1701
north
florida,
avenue,
202,
east
7th
avenue,
1802
to
1808
north
morgan
street
209,
east
oak
avenue,
and
that
was
requested
by
the
agent
to
be
continued
to
the
november
3rd
2021
public
hearing
at
6
00
p.m.
Also,
traveling
with
that
request
for
continuation
is
arc.
21-4,
slash,
vac
21-09
for
the
address
of
1701
north
florida
avenue
to
be
continued
to
the
november
3rd
2021
public
hearing
at
6
pm,
and
if
we
could
get
a
motion
for
those
two
first,
please.
A
2021
21.
have
a
second.
B
F
Thank
you
for
that
motion
and
the
next
continuation
is
arc
21-434
for
the
address
of
1723
west
hills
avenue.
This
was
requested
by
the
agent
to
be
continued
to
january
5th,
2022
public
hearing
at
5
30
p.m.
You
know
the
once
we
change
the
calendar
year
we're
starting
these
meetings
at
5
30
instead
of
6..
So
that's
not
a
typo
just
put
that
on
your
calendar,
so
everybody
kind
of
remembers
to
be
a
little
early
at
the
beginning.
G
F
F
F
F
F
There
are
two
alleys:
there
is
an
alley
to
the
east
of
the
property
that
runs
north
and
south
and
there's
an
alley
that
runs
to
the
rear
of
the
property
that
runs
east
and
west.
You
see
the
vernacular
of
some
of
the
houses
that
were
there
or
the
structures
that
were
there.
You
see
some
multi-family
structures
here
because
of
the
zoning
classification
allows
for
the
multi-family.
F
F
Once
again,
you
have
the
alley
to
the
east
that
runs
north
and
south
and
an
alley
that
runs
to
the
rear
of
the
property,
east
and
west.
This
is
the
non-contributing
structure.
That's
currently
here
it
has
been
slated
for
demolition.
We
do
that
at
the
administrative
level,
the
property
does
have
a
knee
wall.
It
has
this
tree
in
the
front.
I
might
come
up
to
play
in
the
discussion.
F
We
do
have
a
representative
from
natural
resources
here.
So
as
we
go
through
the
the
presentation
at
the
end,
when,
if
you
have
any
questions,
we
could
have
him
come
up
and
address
the
board.
This
is
the
current
curb
cut
that
dies
into
a
front
loading
garage
that
is
very
atypical
to
the
historic
district.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
That
concludes
the
photo
presentation
before
we
get
into
the
presentation
by
the
by
the
agent.
I
just
want
to
briefly
bring
to
your
attention
page
61
of
the
hyde
park,
design
guidelines.
It
touches
upon
compatible
new
construction,
and
I
just
like
to
read
a
couple
paragraphs
from
there.
The
the
design
that's
coming
in
front
of
you
today
is
a
little
atypical
of
what
we
usually
see
but
reading
from
the
guidelines
on
page
61
addresses
the
major
development
of
hyde
park
extended
from
the
late
1800s
to
the
mid-1920s.
F
Just
as
hyde
park
includes
a
diverse
set
of
architectural
styles,
reflecting
and
evolving
throughout
these
four
decades.
Architecture
as
an
art
continues
to
evolve.
Creative
solutions
reflecting
current
architecture,
design
theories
and
practices
are
encouraged
in
the
design
of
new
construction
in
the
historic
district.
F
These
guidelines
do
not
dictate
style,
but
they
set
up
criteria
under
which
the
new
design
can
be
accurately
compared
to
the
setting
within
the
historic
district.
New
construction
is
encouraged
to
be
unique
in
design
while
reflecting
the
basic
scale
materials
qualities
found
in
the
early
buildings
in
hyde
park.
F
Page
through
three,
it
also
has
the
design
criteria
for
new
construction.
On
page
three
that
talks
about
you
know
the
scale,
the
massing,
the
setbacks,
the
orientation,
equality
and
window
proportions
that
we
normally
talk
about.
So
the
introduction
I
wanted
you
to
get
familiar,
because
this
is
a
style
that
we
don't
usually
see.
So
having
said
that,
the
agent
could
address
the
board
at
this
time.
H
H
H
It
could
probably
between
two
and
three
more
likely
two
units,
but
the
preference
of
the
developer.
The
builder
is
to
do
one
unit
here,
you'll
see
that
there,
as
I
point
out,
there's
a
number
of
historic
multi-family
units
on
jaton,
there's
a
number
of
them
and
there's
already
a
lot
of
parking
on
jaton.
H
So
one
of
the
things
that
came
early
on
in
the
discussion
with
staff
was
the
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
the
orientation
of
the
parking
of
the
garage
to
the
alley
to
the
back,
to
take
that
curb
cut
off
jaton,
which
is
not
historic.
It's
not
it's
not
historically
accurate,
as
the
staff
said,
so
the
other
was
also
to
recognize
that
there's
already
a
lot
of
street
parking,
so
there's
definitely
a
preference
to
follow
up
with
this
one
unit
with
the
parking
oriented
towards
the
back
as
mentioned.
H
Obviously,
the
current
building
is
is
a
1970
ranch
house
and
it's
simply
not
contributing
so
with
that,
like
I
said,
we
worked
carefully
right.
I
didn't
actually
eric
worked
a
lot
with
staff.
H
He
brought
in
a
different
site
plan
and
really
changed
a
lot
of
it,
including
which
I'll
go
into
the
the
large
welcoming
and
porch
on
the
front
of
the
structure,
which
is
consistent
with
hyde
park
and
getting
the
pedestrians
and
the
the
kind
of
social
structure
on
the
front
yard.
So
if
I
could
go
through
a
few
pictures
here
and
it's
okay,
can
you
hear
me
as
I
speak
all
right?
H
H
Here,
looks
like
a
an
original
home
here,
can't
quite
figure
it
out,
but
it
looked
like
it
just
kind
of
kept
growing
as
an
apartment,
building
kind
of
haphazardly,
and
that's
what's
next
door
right
right
to
the
next
on
the
side
is
a
parking
lot
for
this
particular
structure,
which
I'll
show
you
in
a
in
a
bit.
H
Caddy
corner
to
cross
is
a
mediterranean
style
townhouse
and
then,
as
I
show
you
in
the
pictures,
there's
a
number
of
multi-family
structures,
historic,
that's
on
jaton,
so
there's
a
kind
of
eclectic
mix
that
you
would
expect
in
hyde
park.
So
a
couple
of
pictures
here.
What
I
want
to
show
here
is
really
just
the
fabric
of
the
street
that
block
a
couple
of
things.
H
One
is
most
of
the
houses,
the
the
historically
the
parking
the
garage
is
off
to
the
alley
to
the
rear
and
also,
like,
I
said,
there's
a
number
of
large
multi-family
structures,
including
this
one.
H
H
Another
home
parking
in
the
back-
this
is
at
the
the
end
of
jaton
on
the
block.
This,
I
believe,
is
also
a
quad
plex
four
units,
and
then
I
mentioned
that
building
that
seems
to
morphed
into
a
large
apartment
building,
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
it
how
it
worked
that
way,
but
there's
a
house
out
on
rome
and
then
this
this
comes
back
towards
the
the
property,
and
this
is
a
better
picture.
H
So
this
is
the
property
here
and
that
this
is
the
end
of
this.
This
apartment
building
again
it
looked
like
it
kind
of
morphed
off
the
original
home
and
here's
the
parking
lot
next
to
the
to
the
building
caddy
cornered
from
it
across
is
that
mediterranean
townhouse
I
mentioned
with
the
parking
on
jaton,
there's
a
kind
of
a
parking,
and
then
you
saw
this
a
similar
photo.
This
is
looking
down
towards
the
west.
H
It
shows
this
is
the
abutting
property
here,
that's
being
remodeled,
basically
pursuant
to
prior
approval.
It
shows
the
streets
and
actually
I've
driven
by
here
a
couple
of
times,
and
this
is
actually
not
that
many
cars
parked
on
the
street
normally
they're
just
packed
in
there.
I
think
a
lot
because
of
the
multi-family
homes,
but
those
are
the
pictures.
H
H
H
The
walkway
off
of
jaton
is
going
to
be
a
paver
consistent
with
pavers,
consistent
with
the
appearance
and
in
the
streets,
and
I
think
really
the
the
feature
that
really
makes
the
house
consistent
with
the
with
the
flavor
of
high
park
is
the
porch.
The
porch
is
going
to
be
the
width
of
the
home,
the
entire
width
of
the
home,
and
it's
going
to
be
nine
feet
deep.
It's
going
to
be
basically
a
really
functioning
porch
kind
of
reminds
me
of
the
porch
light
we
had
when
I
grew
up
that
we're
the
family.
H
We
were
out
in
the
front
porch
more
than
just
about
anything
else
in
the
house.
The
ceiling
is
going
to
be
one
by
six
pine.
The
the
floor
will
be
a
one
by
four
tongue
and
groove
again
from
a
parent
standpoint,
very
traditional,
and
what
I
do
want
to
point
out.
Oh
a
couple
other
things,
the
the
porch
is
going
to
have
a
metal
roof,
whereas
the
roof
otherwise
is
going
to
be
an
asphalt
roof.
But
it's
important
too
and
I
know
in
hyde
park.
H
H
The
neighbor's
house
from
the
from
the
street
to
the
to
the
house
is
27.8
feet.
Ours
is
28.33,
so
it's
very
consistent
as
far
as
the
setback
goes.
So
when
we
look
to
the
house
to
the
next
door.
H
H
This
is
where
we're
so
I
I'd
say
there.
There
is
some
precedent
when
we
talk
about
this
we're
going
to
talk
about
a
home
on
oregon,
but
I
think
we
we
talked
about
this,
I'm
not
an
architect,
but
I
think
we're
talking
about
a
farmhouse
style,
and
in
this
sense
I
think
it's
I'm
going
to
say
kind
of
a
modern
bent
on
it,
because
it
doesn't
have
that
many
flourishes
or
embellishments.
H
What's
consistent
with
hyde
park
and
again,
the
piers
will
be
facing
the
street
right
here
we
talked
about
staff
because
obviously
there's
a
vertical
verticality
to
this,
with
the
party
board,
the
vertical
siding
and
I'm
talking
with
staff,
we
thought
about
kind
of
widing
that
that
verticality
of
it
is
that
a
word.
Maybe
I
should
just
say
yeah.
I
think
it
is
thanks.
It's
not
a
legal
term!
So
thanks!
H
Well,
I
tried
I
looked
up
a
few
of
these,
so
so
so
we
will
try
to
widen
it
to
to
spread
it
out
a
little
bit.
So
as
the
plans
show,
the
batten
is
going
to
be
a
half
an
inch
and
they're
going
to
be
16
inches
off
center.
So
that's
going
to
be
the
the
appearance
of
it.
H
The
windows
are
important.
The
on
the
front.
The
front
windows
are
going
to
be
wood,
clad,
casement
windows.
So,
on
the
front
that
we
would
clad
casement
windows
on
the
rest
of
the
house,
they'll
be
single,
hung
or
permanent.
You
know
just
windows
when
we
look
at
the
wall
section.
I
think
this
is
a
distinguishing
feature
that
there's
going
to
be
a
to
at
least
a
two
inch
they're
going
to
be
re,
receded
or
recessed
recessed.
Thank
you
recessed
at
least
two
inches
at
least
two
inches,
and
typically
my
understanding
is.
H
H
H
H
Here's
the
wall
elements,
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
particularly
I'd
already
talked
about
the
windows.
Otherwise
there
will
be
the
trim
party
board
trim.
I
can
talk
about
the
details.
If
we
need
to
this
last
diagram
does
show,
like
I
said,
the
stairs
to
the
front
porch,
which
are
basically
the
four
steps
which
is
very
consistent
with
the
property
next
door,
so
just
finishing
up
some
pictures
from
right
around
hyde
park
that
we
think
have
some
of
the
elements
of
this
home
and
also
some
of
the
vertical
siding.
H
So
some
of
the
elements.
So
here's
a
couple
of
homes
on
on
bay
shore.
I
know
I
toured
that
home
john
sample,
I
think,
built
it
on
a
high
park
tour
once
here's
a
property
on
boulevard
that
has
come
the
porch
a
little
bit
of
the
features:
here's
801
south
edison
that
has
those
piers
that
I
was
talking
about
in
the
porch.
H
I
think
this
home
has
quite
a
few
of
the
features
on
morrison
avenue.
It's
got
half
a
porch,
but
it
does
have
that
gable
end
and
that
kind
of
farmhouse
appearance
and
the
one
that
I
really
want
to
point
out
is
the
one
on
908
south
oregon
that
this
board
approved.
I
think
within
the
last
year,
or
so
it's
much
wider.
It's
a
much
bigger
home,
but
it
has
the
we
have
three
gable
ends
on
the
top.
H
Another
home
that
has
some
similarity
to
the
farmhouse
look
is
on
1910,
west
morrison
and
what's
interesting.
Here
is
it's
clearly
horizontal
here,
but
it
has
some
vertical
siding
to
the
back
and
then
kate
jackson,
the
facility
right
there
on
rome,
which
this
was
built,
there's
a
similar
sighting
in
the
kate
jackson
facility
right
right
there
in
heart
park
village.
H
H
We
also,
I
also
have
available
kind
of
a
lookbook
on
some
of
the
shingles
colors
of
the
home
that
we're
looking
at,
which
is
basically
a
very
basically
white,
some
pavers.
Some
other
features
that
I
can
show
you
if
you'd
like
we're
more
than
happy
to
provide
those.
H
Well,
I
can
I'll
just
run
through
them.
Real,
quick,
then
I'll
finish
it
out
by
the
way.
H
H
H
H
H
F
Thank
you
very
much
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation
before
we
get
into
in
your
package,
commissioners,
we
have
six
letters
that
have
no
objection
to
the
request
this
evening,
and
then
we
have
one
letter
that
has
concerns
over
the
shade
trees
in
the
back,
the
side
yard.
F
We
do
have
some
conditions
associated
with
that
consistent
determination.
When
we
first
met,
we
had
a
discussion
about
the
style
of
the
structure.
I
wanted
the
applicant
to
come
forward
this
evening
and
define
the
style
and
then
show
the
stylistic
elements
that
are
consistent
with
the
style
that
he
selected
to
move
forward.
F
F
The
agent
did
address
the
elevation
from
grade,
but
there
was
no
discussion
about
the
setback.
I
do
believe
there's
additional
information
that
he
has
to
provide
this
evening.
As
far
as
the
setback
from
the
front
property
line
to
the
front
steps
I'd
like
for
the
agent
to
go
through
multiple
wall
sections
and
call
out
all
the
exterior
materials,
if
he
has
examples
of
the
windows
and
doors
to
provide
that
later
in
this
presentation,.
F
I
did
not
see
the
other
roof
material
that
he
is
proposing
and
if
he
could
discuss
a
little
bit
more
about
the
foundation
and
the
foundation
and
closure,
he
talked
about
the
piers
in
the
front,
but
as
it
wraps
around
the
rest
of
the
house
and
that
transition
from
the
board
and
batten
to
the
foundation
there's
usually
some
kind
of
drip
cap
or
some
kind
of
termination
as
the
materials
take
on
a
different
vocabulary,
and
then
he
showed
the
colors
of
the
garage
door.
F
A
Thank
you.
We
now
have.
We
have
time
for
or
we're
opening
the
public
comment
period.
If
there's
anyone
who
would
like
to
come
forward
and
speak
for
or
against,
please
do
so.
Have
you
been
sworn
in?
Yes,
okay,
you
have
three
minutes.
I
I
I
The
proposed
tree
plan
removed
nine
trees
on
the
lot
9010
one
two,
three
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight
nine,
including
this
one,
which
is
on
our
property
two
and
the
tree
canopy,
is
an
important
part
of
the
historic
character
of
hyde
park.
It
provides
shade
and
cool
air
and
is
what
we
see
for
our
front
porch
and
for
our
backyard
as
well
in
clear
cutting.
The
lot
also
shows
the
intent
to
build
the
largest
house
on
the
home.
I
I
pulled
the
data
for
the
property
appraiser
on
the
36
homes,
on
the
17
1819
blocks
of
jatan
on
our
street,
and
all
the
data
is
here
for
you
and
in
short,
the
the
the
developer's
proposal
house
is
massive.
I
The
developers
are
posing
to
build
a
4
600
square
foot
house,
which
is
more
than
twice
the
meaning
house
on
our
street.
It's
more
than
29
greater
than
the
maximum
a
thousand
square
feet
greater
than
the
maximum
house
on
our
street.
The
building
to
lot
ratio
is
similarly
twice
the
average
on
our
streets
and
in
30
percent,
greater
29
greater
than
the
maximum
ability
to
lot
ratio
on
our
street
as
well.
I
This
is
not
consistent
with
the
guidelines
when
I
shared
this,
the
developer
said
he's
adhering
to
the
setbacks.
Although
I'll
note
that
the
side
yard
setback
according
to
our
architect
doesn't
comply
with
section
27159
footnote
for
rm24,
the
sidearm
setback,
but
the
city
code
also
says
section
27105.
E
Pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
madam
chair,
there
has
to
be
a
motion
and
a
second
approval
by
the
board
for
additional
time.
C
I
move
that
that
the
member
of
the
public
be
granted
additional
time.
I
Thank
you,
commissioners.
I'll,
be
brief.
Just
to
conclude
the
developer
told
me
he
builds
20
houses
a
year
and
I
don't
blame
him
for
wanting
to
clear-cut
the
lot
and
build
the
largest
house
possible.
So
he
can
he.
He
can
do
his
business
that
that's
his
business
at
a
progression
for
it.
But
maybe
who
owns
this
property
for
20
months,
my
family
and
I
hope
to
stay
in
this
in
this
house
for
20
to
30
years
and
raise
our
family
here
and
the
developer
won't
have
to
live
with
the
consequences
of
the
design.
I
We
will
and
therefore
my
family-
and
I
ask
that
you-
please
not
approve
the
design
today,
but
instead
ask
the
developer
to
reconsider
his
plans,
so
they
are
in
line
with
the
standards
of
the
hyde
park,
guidelines
and
the
city
code
which
protect
our
historic
neighborhood,
and
so
there's
a
lot
more
I'd
love
to
say,
but
I'm
clearly
out
of
time.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
I
would
love
to
submit
my
exhibits
into
the
record
and
I
have
copies
for
all
of
you
and
anybody
else.
We'll
have
a
ticket.
Okay,.
A
G
J
I
smear
yes
hi,
I'm
bonnie
duggan.
I
have
lived
in
this
hyde
park
area
that
we're
speaking
about
since
1999.
So
a
little
over
20
years.
J
1703
west
watros
avenue,
which
is
behind
we
share
the
same
alley
and
prior
to
that
I
was
on
the
other
alley
of
them.
So
I
know
the
neighborhood
very
well
and
base
lawn
can
taught
us
the
property.
So
I
wanted
to
show
some
photos.
They
are
smaller.
K
J
K
J
Look
at
her
we're
going
to
talk
about,
as
drew
just
pointed
out,
some
back
back
trees,
and
we
are
happy
to
see
the
positive
improvements
to
this
law,
especially
the
return
of
a
more
historically
consistent
home.
J
We
have
just
two
matters
of
concern:
one
is
really
the
alley
and
how
it
is
difficult
configuration
to
navigate
the
two
intersecting
alleys
that
are
budding
the
property
which
may
further
complicate
that
design
with
a
rear
garage
entry.
Exit
second
is-
and
I
know,
they're
decode
as
far
as
spacing,
but
I
could
show
you
a
picture.
J
Let's
show
you
this
one,
and
maybe
water
is
intended,
so
you
can
also
maybe
out
of
scope,
but
we're
going
to
need
a
french
strand
one
day
where
we're
set
back
here
at
lyon.
Cantata.
We
have
no
problem
getting
in
in
and
out.
The
second
homes
that
are
set
back
further
have
to
park
sideways
because
it
is
so
tight.
J
So
if
you're
doing
a
standard
setback,
you're
going
to
have
the
difficulty
they're
going
to
have
so
the
second,
it
is
the
tree
cover
which
has
two
very
mature
oak
trees
in
the
back,
and
it
provides
such
a
shade
of
canopy
that
is
characteristic
of
our
neighborhood,
with
both
sides
being
affected
with
all
that
shade.
The
bay's
water
close,
which
is
on
the
east
side,
then
you've
got
the
historic
home
next
to
it
and
then
behind
on
watrous
alley.
J
So
this
is
a
picture
of
the
two
oak
trees.
I
could
see
this
one,
of
course
hindering
the
building,
but
this
one
could
possibly
be
reserved
if
you
had
to
pick
a
tray
to
save
in
the
back.
I
understand
there
was
an
earlier
design
proposed
that
used
existing
jaton
street
driveway.
C
I
move
this
member
of
the
public
be
granted
a
30
second
extension.
Please,
let's
try
and
adhere
to
that
30
seconds.
Absolutely.
J
J
A
I'm
sorry
ma'am,
but
we
are
closed.
Okay,
sorry,
seeing
no
other
is
coming
forward,
we'll
close
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
comment,
and
now
is
the
portion
of
the
hearing
where
the
commissioners
ask
questions
of
the
applicant.
A
D
K
Yes,
we
do,
and
all
this
was
actually.
K
Your
name
first
eric
franson
and
all
of
this
was
uploaded
to
the
record,
so
there's
a
copy
of
it
up
on
the
record.
It's
this
is
the
lower
roof.
Scott
just
didn't
highlight
it,
it's
gonna
be
a
metal.
Could.
H
H
H
H
And
the
side
yard
there's
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
movement.
I
got
to
find
this
other
one.
Can
we
I'll
come
back
to
the
side
yards?
Could
we
go
to
your
next
question
and
I'll
make
sure.
K
D
K
A
K
There's
actually
a
drip
cap
edge
just
trying
to
find
it
on
here.
K
A
K
I
believe
it's
here,
this
foundation,
braid.
D
K
It
will
die
into
the
drip
cap
yeah
before
it
hits
the
stem
wall,
which.
G
K
Same
for
the
for
the
mainstream.
D
K
K
K
K
They're
not
showing
showing
actually
a
window
trim,
but
it
will
be
trimmed.
I
guess
we
could
provide
that
at
a
later
date.
D
D
A
D
K
It's
six
inch
hearty
trim.
L
H
G
G
K
Yeah,
that
will
be
wrapped
with
with
hardy
all
right.
D
K
D
K
Okay
and
then
also
on
the
side
for
the
accessory.
F
A
H
H
D
K
A
D
K
That's
correct
there
they're
going
to
be
casement
windows
on
the
front.
K
This
same
house
on
oregon
has
that
same
window
design
with
that
without.
G
K
K
We
had
actually
discussed
that
with
staff
and
our
architect
had
advised
that
we
not
do
that.
Okay,.
D
K
E
Design
exceptions
are
not
through
code
enforcement,
that's
through
zoning,
and
I
thought
I
had
it
on
my.
A
H
A
A
H
G
If
it
wasn't
already
excuse
me,
commissioners,
dennis
fernandez
architecture
for
being
historic
preservation
manager
within
the
historic
districts.
I've
discussed
design
exceptions
with
the
zoning
administrator.
The
applicants
do
submit
an
application
for
design
exception,
but
is
subject
to
your
approval
through
the
ca
process.
So
if
you
approve
the
design.
G
H
Okay,
the
simple
site
plan
that
I
showed
yeah.
G
D
D
F
The
rear
setback
chip
from
the
property
line
to
the
primary
structure
is
20
to
the
accessory
structure.
It
could
be
as
little
as
three
and
a
half
because
the
vehicular
axis
is
off
the
alley
when
transportation
reviews
this,
they
want
24
foot
back
up,
so
you
could
use
the
alley
to
maneuver.
The
alley
is
a
10
foot
alley,
plus
the
14
foot
that
is
in
private
property
gives
them
the
24
that
meets
transportation
standards.
A
A
D
G
So
the
tree
removal
will
run
with
the
approval
here
and
then
with
the
approval
of
the
building
plans.
So
this
is
first
and
they
apply
for
the
building
plans
where
additional
tree
protection
for
the
front
tree.
The
grain
tree
will
be
set
up,
including
off-site
trees.
There's
a
31
inch
tree
on
the
neighboring
property
to
the
right,
so
additional
protections
will
be
put
in
place
there
and
then
the
trees
can
be
removed
and
then
mitigation
will
also
be
assessed.
G
C
Before
you
leave
I'd
like
to
ask,
we
have
there's
actually
a
site
plan
that
shows
the
locations
of
all
the
trees
that
are
taking
being
taken
down
correct.
If
you
could
please
zoom
into
that.
Thank
you.
K
And
you'll
notice
that
we
actually
notched
the
building
here
for
this
tree
here,
I'm
sorry!
This
is
absolutely
right
here.
I'm
sorry.
A
K
And
there
is
a
tree
also
in
the
front,
that's
being
removed
and
then
there's
a
couple
on
the
side
where
you'll
see
we
we're
bringing
our
utilities
in
because
of
the
tree
on
the
the
because
of
34
inch
live
oak
in
the
front,
there's
nowhere
to
bring
utilities
into
the
property
because
the
utilities
come
from
chaton
and
we're
bringing
the
utilities
here
along
the
side,
and
these
trees
here
are
going
to
come
out.
K
I
have
the
the
approved
site
plan
for
the
neighbors
lot
and
this
was
actually
approved
by
the
city
of
tampa
for
his.
K
So
it
was
approved
by
benjamin
daniels
in
may
of
this
year,
and
these
are
the
trees
in
question
and
his
site
plan
that
he
submitted
to
the
city
actually
shows
them
on
my
lot.
So.
K
I
think
that
there
there's
a
I
don't
know
to
be
honest,
but
there
is
a.
K
There's
an
existing
meter,
water
meter,
location
right
here
in
the
front
yeah.
A
A
K
K
So
there'll
be
two
gates,
one
here
and
one
here,
and
then
the
gates,
the
fence,
will
run
along
the
side
of
the
property
it'll
have
a.
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
transportation
or
one
of
the
groups
that
I
think
maybe.
K
Wastewater
or
one
of
the
groups
at
the
city
of
tampa
reviewed
and
we'll
have
doors
here
gates
for
our
trash,
which
will
be
on
the
side
here
where
it
shows
garbage
pad.
And
then
the
the
gates
come
back
here
and
then
there's
another
gate
over
here.
And
then
the
fence
runs
along
around
the
envelope
of
the
property.
K
Oh,
I
do
not,
but
it
will
be
made
from
the
same
material
as
the
as
the
defense
and.
K
They'll
be
they'll,
be
black,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
I
don't
think
you
have
those
yeah.
I
don't.
I
don't
have
a
picture
of
it,
but
they're
they're,
just
like
a
typical
blocking
mechanism.
B
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
respecting
your
aesthetic
details,
things
that
don't
show
up
on
your
sections.
I
would
like
to
start
first
of
all,
with
your
board
and
batten.
B
I
understand
where
that's
coming
from
it's
typically
associated
with
an
eclectic
farmhouse,
but
it
also
is
present
in
many
other
different
architectural
revivalist
and
vernacular
styles.
We
can
see
it
in
in
in
tutor
revival.
We
can
see
in
the
gothic
revival
it's
a
very
popular
finishing
technique
for
your
walls
now.
The
question
I
have,
though,
is
that
the
general
pur
generally
when
we
see
this
it's
done
on
a
domestic
scale
to
a
more
delicate
scale.
If
you
will
broadboard
narrow
battens-
and
we
see
here
from
your
elevations
a
much
wider
bat.
B
B
A
B
Change
that
would
change
the
entire
if
we
were
shown
more
accurately
to
what
you're
describing
as
an
image
that
would
make
this
look
a
lot
more
delicate
than
it
actually
is.
Okay,
so
I'm
going
to
work,
I
I
think
that
perhaps
will
ask
for
coordination
on
that
part.
I
understand
the
porch.
I
understand
the
lack
of
railing.
I
understand
the
piers,
the
piers,
though
for
your
porch.
B
B
Stucco
right
and
that-
and
that
would
be
the
same
finish
for
your
stem
wall-
yes
around
the
rest
of
the
building,
okay
and
that'll-
be
a
painted
feature.
Yes,
I
would
like
to
talk
about
one
last
item
and
it
seems
to
me
to
be
a
little
bit
to
me
of
a
source
thumb
with
your
aesthetic
garage
doors.
B
B
I
don't
really
have
an
objection
to
that,
but
I'm
wondering
if,
if
a
if
a
different
style
of
door
could
be
considered
as
a
better
fit
for
its
companion
dwelling
as
an
example,
your
your
main
entrance
doors
front
and
back
are
done
in
in
panel
work
or,
if
you
will,
with
respect
to
your
your
siding
choice,
a
a
door
that
has
a
more
verticality
to
his
individual
panels,
because
you're
I'm
looking
at
these
doors,
they're,
not
small,
but
they
give
to
us
a
geometry
which
is
kind
of
foreign
to
what
you've
already
developed
for
the
rest
of
the
dwelling.
B
B
A
Can
I
see
the
south
elevation
of
the
primary
structure
place,
which
would
be
the
rear.
A
A
G
A
All
right,
south
elvis
so
there
is
a
there-
is
a
note
on
your
site
plan
and
it's
it
says:
lanai
inform
me
that,
and
that
means
there's
an
intent
for
screening
bug.
Screening.
Is
that
correct?
There's.
A
Okay
and
then
is
it
similarly
detailed
as
proposed
for
the
front
porch.
K
A
Be
covered
with
papers.
Do
you
have
any
of
those?
Do
you
have
an
image
or
samples
of
those
papers
that
you
intend
to
install?
A
Okay,
can
we
go
back
to
the
elevation?
I'm
sorry.
A
A
A
K
H
A
A
H
A
G
A
So
zoom
in
just
just
a
tad
bit
more
I'm
sorry,
I'm
like
breathing
on
my
microphone.
A
So
it
looks,
it
looks
like
yeah,
it
looks
like
you
have
one
column
in
the
corner
and
then
one
two
foot
four
or
something
over
okay,
it's
hard
to
read
that
seven
feet
over
and
then
that's
it
and
then
it's
open
for
like
16
feet
and
then
at
the
which.
A
More
or
less
and
then
at
the
the
mini
porch
that
goes
to
the
garage
there's
just
the
one
column
in
the
corner:
okay,.
A
Can
we
turn
to
the
garage
now,
please
the
accessory
structure?
I'm
sorry
and
look
at
it's!
Oh
I'm
sorry.
Can
you
go
back
to
the
west
elevation
there's
one
more
question
on
the
west
or
in
the
yeah
on
the
west,
which
which
is
the
true
west,
not
the
mislabeled.
A
A
So
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
but
as
I
understand
it,
you
know,
there's
a
there's
a
gable
end
right,
that's
pretty
much
the
primary
component
of
this
facade,
but
you've
got
a
shed
type
element.
That's
coming
off
the
rear
to
capture
your
kitchen
and
your
porches
and
whatever
that
second
story,
spaces
facing
the
accessory
structure.
A
A
K
A
A
A
A
A
So
it
dies
into
that
corner.
Okay,
then,
back
to
the
other
two
elevations.
If
you
don't
mind
just
pop
them
back
up
okay,
so
we
talked
about
the
garage
doors,
the
north
elevation,
so
the
north
elevation
is
facing
the
house.
That's
the
covered
walkway.
A
G
K
Part,
I
believe
that
has
to
do
with
the
maximum.
I
think
you
only,
I
don't
know,
remember
what
the
number
is,
but
I
think
it's
600
square
feet.
You're
allowed
for
an
accessory
structure,
750.
A
So
you
actually,
in
fact,
are
parking
a
car
right
there.
Yes,
was
there
any
consideration
for
that
elevation
having
any
type
of
opening?
I
understand
the
premise
of
security
and
the
need
for
being
cautious
about
that.
However,
many
of
us
live
with
historic
structures
with
glazed
openings
in
our
garages.
To
be
quite
honest,
so
just
wondering
did
you
consider
any
type
of
opening
there
in
that
lower
area.
A
K
G
A
On
the
lower
level
yeah,
so
those
those
guys
speak
differently.
They
also
have
different
head
heights
to
one
another
and
then,
when
you
follow
that
line
all
the
way
back
to
that
little
porch,
inset
area,
that
window
and
the
first
window
they're
very
happy
together
right.
They
speak
the
same
language
they're
doing
the
same
thing,
but
the
other
guys
are
doing
different
things
is:
is
there?
K
This
here
is
a
is
it
butler's,
pantry,
okay
and
I
think,
there's
cabinets.
That's
why
it's!
The
sill
is
at
that
height,
okay
and
then
here
is
a
kitchen.
A
F
The
last
lady
had
additional
information
that
was
submitted
into
the
record
of
supporting
her
request.
There
was
like
six
or
seven
different
signatures
on
that.
Thank.
G
Okay,
beverly:
why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
pass
that
around
other
than
their
question
face.
L
A
We
did
get
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
It
is
in
our
and
I've
my
card
sorry
anyway,
so
I
believe
we're
all
finished
asking
our
questions.
You
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
You
can
enter
anything
new
that
you
think
would
help.
You
know,
answer
any
outstanding
questions
or
just
summarize
what
you've
stated.
H
I
think
I
just
need
to
hit
two
issues
because
two
issues
came
up
and
as
the
trees,
we
followed
the
process,
the
natural
resource
people
like
their
trees,
but
the
fact
is
we're
maintaining
the
glaring
tree
in
the
front.
We've
reoriented
the
house
to
accommodate
that
the
other
trees
are
allowed
to
come
out
whether
it's
you
know
this
project
or
another
project.
The
other
issue.
Well,
maybe
two
other
issues.
The
other
issue
is
this
size
of
the
the
house.
H
I've
showed
you
pictures,
I
don't
have
the
calculations
but
hyde
park
on
jaton,
there's
very
large,
pre-existing
multi-family.
So
I
I
can't
believe
those
are
part
of
the
equation
that
was
calculated,
maybe
for
the
houses,
but
this
this
street
is
a
typical
hyde
park
where
there's
multi-family,
there's
single
family
and
the
pictures
that
I
showed
you,
I
believe,
support
the
bulk,
the
size
of
this
home,
consistent
with
the
street
pattern
and
the
houses
and
the
multi-family
that's
on
the
street,
so
the
trees.
H
Frankly,
I
don't
believe
necessarily,
I
I
know
you're
concerned
really
a
jurisdiction
of
this
board.
The
the
house,
the
size
of
the
house,
keep
in
mind.
It
can
be
multi-family,
it
can
be
two
units,
it's
zoned,
for
that
we're
totally
complying
with
the
setbacks
and
the
the
bulk
of
the
building,
which
is
very
consistent.
If
anything,
it's
smaller
than
a
number
of
the
buildings
that
I
showed
you
and
then
finally,
I
understand
the
concern
about
utilizing
the
alley.
Again.
We
have
a
right
to
use
that
alley.
H
The
alley
is
actually
consistent
with
the
historic
nature
of
hyde
park
in
this
particular
street.
Specifically,
it
should
go
back
into
the
alley.
That's
where
the
traffic
should
go.
That's
where
the
and
there's
a
14-foot
drive,
which
is
consistent
with
the
city's
requirements,
city
staff,
the
transportation
has
no
objection
to
that,
and
I
think-
and
you
know
this-
the
bottom
line
is
the
history
of
certainly
hyde
park
is
a
pedestrian
history,
and
then
I
like
to
read
part
of
the
requirements
in
the
hyde
park.
H
Design
of
compatible
new
construction
because
hyde
park
is
a
pedestrian
oriented.
Neighborhood
new
projects
should
relate
to
the
human
experience
and
scale,
providing
unobstructed
pedestrian
access
and
shelter
and
or
shade
along
the
streets
and
the
fact
is
hyde
park.
Pedestrians
were
king
before
the
cars
came.
We
all
know
what
happened
with
the
cars
everyone's
trying
to
go
back
to
that
this,
this
orientation
of
this
house,
preserving
that
large
tree
in
the
front,
putting
the
garage
in
the
back,
that's
how
it's
supposed
to
be
and
that's
how
they
design
this
working
with
your
staff.
H
So
I
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
this
this
design
is
is
different.
There
is
some
precedent,
like
I
said,
to
the
design,
especially
the
oregon
house,
I'm
sure
we
can
address
some
number
of
those
issues
that
you
talked
about,
but
generally
within
the
purview
of
the
board,
this
board
and
the
and
the
regulations
and
the
ordinance
we
feel
like
we've
met
those
requirements.
A
Thank
you
so
now
we
will
go
ahead
and
close.
The
public
hearing
and
the
commissioners
will
discuss
the
case
amongst
themselves.
G
B
Is
a
discussion
about
you
know
the
the
scale
and
bulk
of
this
this
home,
we've
reviewed.
You
know,
dwellings
of
all
manners
of
sizes,
one
story,
two
stories
and
such
that,
in
terms
of
where
this
is
located,
particularly
with
its
immediate
neighbors,
which
is
a
mixed
bag
of
all
sorts
of
different
dwelling
types,
I
don't
see
a
particular
heartache
or
a
discrepancy
from
what
is
presented
as
an
existing
scale
of
a
number
of
not
just
a
few
but
a
number
of
other
buildings
in
the
immediate
proximity.
D
I'm
not
as
much
concerned
with
the
size
either.
I
think
the
way
it's
been,
you
know
the
way.
It's
on
the
lot
itself,
the
way
it's
situated
in
there
it's
going
to
fit.
D
D
B
A
Casement
windows,
and
even
in
a
casement
window,
my
casement
windows
from
1938
have
the
double.
You
know
they
have
the
trim
piece
between
them.
So
because
you
know
our
mechanisms
still
have
to
go
somewhere.
So
you
know
I
I
think
my
struggle
always
is.
Is
this
truly
historic
or
just
trying
to
fit
in
in
a
particular
way,
but
not
getting
the
whole
we're
not
going
to
get
the
whole
kit
and
caboodle
right
and
there's
a
very
fine
line
in
preservation?
D
A
B
Would
still
not
be
as
major
as
one
that
would
be
using
for
lifting
mechanisms
in
in
a
single
or
double
hung
window,
but
you
would
still
have
a
a
a
minor
separation
in
a
in
a
manner
of
batten,
recovery
or
a
bullying
element
separating
the
two,
and
it's
probably
there
in
part
of
the
plan.
If
you
want
to
think
about
it,
what
you
think
about
you're
going
to
get
two
windows
you're
going
to
put
them
together,
you
just
can't
gank
them
you're
going
to
have
to
have
an
element.
D
Well,
these
windows
are
going
to
be,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons.
One
of
the
questions
I
asked
these
windows
are
going
to
be
ordered
as
a
twin
unit
or
a
triple
unit,
and
so
the
mall
itself
will
be
very,
very
minimal.
Inventing
and
the
follow-up
comments
that
y'all
just
made
really
are
in
line
with
exactly
what
I
was
saying
was.
D
A
The
other
thing
too,
that
doesn't
help
is
looking
at
drawings
that
are
not
consistent
with
things
that
we're
being
told
are
going
to
be
in
the
project,
and
I
I
just
want
to
say
this:
we
we
come
across
this
a
lot
when
you're
submitting
drawings,
where
human
beings
are
visual,
we
learn
90
of
what
we
know
through
visual
graphic
means
and
for
those
of
us
who
are
in
this
business.
We
are
trained
in
that
even
contractors.
A
So
if
it
doesn't
match
what
we're
hearing
we're
going
to
ask
those
questions,
he
knows
what
I
mean
and-
and
it
would
help
so
much
more
with
the
clarity
of
the
discussion
and
we
wouldn't
have
to
spend
so
much
time
drawing
it
out
of
you
if
the
drawings
match
what
you
stated
you're
going
to
be
presenting
right
so.
G
A
Me
I
do,
I
feel
like
there's.
There
is
a.
There
is
a
little
bit
more
clarity
that
needs
to
go
into
the
documents
to
be
comfortable
with.
What's
going
on.
D
There's
just
a
lot
of
inconsistencies:
the
windows,
the
window
seal,
the
details
showing
a
concrete
seal
versus
we're
going
to
wrap
it.
You
know
again
once
it
leaves
here,
that's
approved.
It's
kind
of
it's
gone
right.
The
ship
has
sailed
at
that
point,
and
I
think
I
I
see
an
opportunity
here
for
a
really
nice
project.
A
D
C
C
So
we
are
so
we
we
accept
the
whole
package
or
not,
and
there
are
there's
a
lack
of
detail.
I
look
at
the
little
tiny
windows
with
the
same
size
trim
around
them
and
I
go
what
there
it
might
be
a
little
more.
B
Care
about
those
windows,
placement
window,
details,
door,
details,
door,
panels,
roofing
column,
column
wraps.
If
you
will
and
it's
related
details,
we
have
fence
fencing
gate
details
so.
A
G
A
So
there
are
a
couple
things
I
want
to
say
that
are
positives
for
this
project,
because
I
think
it's
helpful
for
the
applicants
to
hear
those
things
as
well.
One
of
the
things
I
do
think
that
is
working
is
the
placement
of
the
accessory
structure.
I
know
that
has
been
some
heartache
around
that
with
some
of
the
letters
we
read
for
me.
A
I
I
just
want
to
commend
that
placement
understanding
that
there
are
two
alleyways
that
you're
contending
with,
so
that
it
opens
up
the
opportunity
for
whoever
lives
in
this
household
to
have
a
space
that
isn't
confronted
by
two
alleyways.
It
also
allows
their
neighbors
to
enjoy
their
space
without
you
know,
roofs
upon
roofs
right
next
to
them
and
then
that
opportunity
to
reintroduce
trees
at
some
point
right.
So
I
am
a
huge
advocate
for
our
tree
canopy,
it's
one
of
the
most
beautiful
things
about
our
city.
A
When
you
can
get
up
and
you
look
down
and
you
see,
excuse
me,
you
see
all
the
trees
we
have.
You
can
go
to
many
cities
our
size
and
you
don't
see
how
many
trees
we
have,
and
it's
it's
just
one
of
those
beautiful
things
that
when
you're
in
them
and
they
shade
you
and
they
frame
your
views,
I
totally
get
it.
A
But
I
also
understand
the
need
to
have
the
opportunity
to
put
in
place
a
structure
that
is
of
its
place
and
of
its
time
right
and
we
have
larger
families
and
we
have
larger
spaces
with
covid.
We
have
seen
the
move
to
bring
our
families
closer
together
and
incorporate
more
spaces
to
allow
for
that,
as
well
as
working
from
home
with
the
garage,
although
we
do
not
have
any
any
purview
over
the
design
exception.
I
personally
and
professionally
do
not
see
an
issue
with
it.
Historically,
it
is.
A
It
is
consistent,
knowing
many
people
who
who
have
two-story
garages
that
are
historic
and
they
enjoy
them
either
with
their
families
or
guests.
I
completely
understand
it
and
it's
historically
appropriate,
so
there
are
many
things
that
are
going
well
for
this
project.
I
I
just
think
that
there
are
too
many
that
there
may
be
some
discomfort
with
the
motion
so
before
we
go
to
an
up-down
vote.
H
So
I
will
only
say
that
I'm
going
to
review
the
tape,
but
you
know
we're
going
to
try
to
get
everyone's
issues,
but
then
we're
back
again.
So
it's
it
is
what
it
is.
We'll
try
to
address
all
the
things
you
mentioned,
but
it's
still
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
crap
shoot,
which
ones
we
do
and
we
bring
back.
But
that's
that's
part
of
the
deal
so
we'll
do
the
best.
We
can
we'll
listen
to
the
tape.
H
A
H
That's
what
I
heard
you
know:
the
batons
are
much
they're
much
wider
than
they
actually
are
articulated
as
being
one
by
two.
So
we'd
prefer
a
continuance,
obviously
than
because
we
think
we
can
deal
within
all
those
issues,
but
what
I'm
hearing
is
generally,
the
style
is
okay,
the
the
garage
is
okay,
the
size
is
okay,
so
we
just
need
to
deal
with
these
details.
G
G
C
B
A
F
Good
evening,
commissioners
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation.
The
last
case
that
we
will
review
this
evening
is
arc
21-312.
This
is
for
the
address
of
713
south
orleans.
This
is
also
in
the
high
park.
Historic
district.
The
primary
structure
was
constructed
in
1915
as
deemed
contributing
the
zoning
attached.
This
is
rs
60..
F
F
I
spoke
with
the
agent
as
he
moves
through
his
presentation
he's
going
to
address
the
variance
first
on
page
three
of
your
staff
report.
Previous
actions
on
this
parcel,
the
primary
structure
and
the
detached
accessory
structure
have
always
been
or
shared
that
relationship
in
1990.
F
This
board
saw
it
and
granted
the
same
eve
to
eve
variance,
and
then
it's
in
front
of
you
today.
So
I
wanted
to
share
that
past
action
with
you.
That's
on
page
three
moving
through
the
photos,
the
sanborn
map
is
usually
where
I
like
to
start.
Property
in
question
is
highlighted
in
the
green
shaded
area.
As
a
reference
point
you
have
swann
to
the
north
property
in
question
is
on
orleans.
It's
713
orleans
faces
to
the
east.
You
have
an
alley
that
runs
to
the
rear
and
you
have
inman
to
the
south.
F
F
So
the
front
and
the
side
elevations
have
an
aluminum
siding
on
top
of
the
original
siding.
When
we
started
to
peel
off
the
siding,
we
peeled
off,
some
of
the
aluminum
siding
under
the
aluminum
siding
was,
as
best
the
siding
we
peeled
off
some
of
these
best
deciding,
and
you
saw
some
of
the
original
material
with
plywood,
and
things
of
that
nature
will
be
apparent
through
the
photo
presentation
that
the
agent
will
share
with
you
later.
F
F
This
is
some
of
the
fabric
that
abuts
the
house
in
question.
This
is
the
to
the
south
of
the
subject
site.
This
is
to
the
north
of
the
subject
site
and
across
the
street.
F
F
This
is
the
rear
of
the
contributing
structure.
The
rear
had
a
couple
of
additions
that
were
associated
with
it.
The
rear
has
a
rough
sawn
hearty
applied
to
it,
so
the
the
structure
has
many
different
siding
materials
on
it
and
then
just
to
conclude,
looking
back
from
the
structure
back,
so
you
can
understand
the
rest
of
the
the
site.
That
concludes
my
photo
presentation
and
mr
michelini
will
address
the
board.
L
F
L
Of
appropriate,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
dealing
with
the
variance
first
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
design
proposal,
as
ron
stated
that
this
this
structure
was
built
in
1915
and
the
eve
to
eve
separation,
as
he
also
noted,
was
approved
by
previous
variances.
L
L
We
are
proposing
to
add
a
second
floor
addition,
which
would
maintain
that
site
that
same
separation,
eve
to
eve
on
the
second
level
as
it
currently
exists
on
the
first
level
as
such.
These
are
are
not
particularly
considered
to
be
self-created
hardships.
This
was
designed
and
built
this
way,
we're
simply
asking
to
add
that
second
level,
which
would
again
maintain
that
same
separation.
L
L
This
is
an
existing
condition
and
we're
asking
to
vest
that
for
the
lower
level,
as
well
as
the
addition
on
the
second
level,
it
is
in
harmony
with
the
codes
regarding
the
overlay
district
or
the
hyde
park,
historic
district.
As
you
will
see,
there
are
many
accessory
structures
that
are
in
close
proximity
to
the
main
structure.
So
this
is
not
an
introduction
of
a
new
element.
It
in
fact
reflects
many
of
the
other
structures
that
are
within
the
district.
L
L
I'll
get
into
the
design
criteria
for
this
a
little
bit
later
on
when
we
go
into
exactly
what's
being
proposed
in
the
back,
but
simply
stated,
there's
a
rebuilding
of
the
patio
and
porch
on
the
rear
and
then
a
proposal
to
add
a
master
bedroom
extension
on
the
second
level.
L
L
A
Thank
you,
sir
ron.
I'm
so
sorry
do
we
do
we
still
allow
for
public
comment.
We
do
right
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
sorry
our
staff
will
will
present
the
report
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to
com
public
comment.
Thank
you,
sir.
F
You
could
refer
to
that
or
you
could
ask
questions
as
you
review
this
portion
of
the
request
and
then,
however,
this
motion
goes
then
we'll
see
how
the
public
hearing
continues.
A
Thank
you.
If
there
is
anybody
present
who
would
like
to
speak
for
or
against
the
variance
in
this
case,
you
may
do
so
at
this
time.
Please
come
forward
state,
your
name,
your
property
or
your
address,
and
and
then
you
have
three
minutes
saying
no
one
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
that
out
and
the
commissioners
will
discuss
the
variance
we'll
ask.
Can
we
we
can
ask
questions,
sir?
L
L
A
All
good,
I
have
no
other
questions.
Commissioners.
B
Ordinarily,
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
variances,
but
owing
to
the
fact
here
that
we're
dealing
with
it's
almost
an
administrative
detail,
if
you
will
respecting
an
existing
condition.
A
A
G
L
A
So
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
commissioners
will
discuss
the
case.
If
there's
any
other
comment
that
you'd
like
to
make
in
consideration
the
variance,
please
do
so,
if
not
maybe
a
motion.
D
I
disagree
with
my
fellow
commissioner:
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
variances,
but
the
dimensions
are
already
there
exactly.
I
agree
and
it's
been
approved
many
times
before
so.
E
B
B
located
at
713
south
orleans
avenue
in
the
hyde
park
district
be
granted
as
depicted
on
the
site
plan
presented
at
this
public
hearing
for
a
variance
separation
of
from
five
foot
zero
inches
to
two
foot.
Six
inches
for
based
upon
the
petitioner
meeting,
the
burden
of
proof
with
respect
and
regard
to
the
six
hardship
criteria
set
forth
in
section
27-114,
subsection
d
of
the
city
of
tampa
code
of
ordinances
for
granting
variances.
As
stated
and
the
evidence
provided
in
this
public
hearing,
specifically
that
existing
conditions
are
being
maintained.
E
And
can
you
say
that
the
the
it's
five
feet.
B
C
L
Okay,
I
I
showed
you
the
the
site
plan
briefly
regarding
the
eved
separation.
If
you
look
on
this
side
here,.
L
This
is
the
proposed
site
plan
for
the
renovation
of
the
of
the
porch
and
the
addition,
the
second
level
edition
of
the
master
bedroom.
This
is
all
interior
to
the
site.
Again
it
it
keeps
in
size
and
scale
in
terms
of
height
and
dimensions.
It
doesn't
increase
any
of
those
it.
It
does
provide
for
more
living
space
on
the
second
level
and
it
provides
for
the
the
porch
down
below
to
be
covered.
L
L
G
L
Changing
we're
we're
renovating
the
existing
design,
the
size
and
scale
it
all
remains
the
same.
If
you'll
note
on
the
on
the
gable
in
we're
proposing
a
a
change
in
the
design
and
the
reintroduction
of
the
windows
that
we
had
found,
some
evidence
that
there
previously
was
this
type
of
opening
here
and
it
had
been
removed
and
boarded
up
and
I'll
be.
Have
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
photographs
of
that
where
we
remove
the
siding
that
was
existing.
L
This
is
designated
as
a
contributing
structure
and
I'm
not
really
sure
exactly
how
it
got
to
be
a
contributing
structure,
because
it
is.
It
is
such
a
hodgepodge.
If
you
were
to
try
to
build
it,
you
would
never
have
been
able
to
build
that
or
renovate
it
in
the
style
in
which
it
was
renovated.
L
L
The
rear
elevation
addition
is
proposed
to
be
with
hardy
board,
and
the
remaining
portions
of
the
building
being
renovated
would
be
the
wooden
lap
board,
siding
and
I'll
get
into
that
as
well,
but
we're
requesting
that
that
be
the
seven
inch
lap
board,
as
opposed
to
the
two
inch
I'll
go
into
more
detail
on
that
later
on,
but
just
for
for.
L
This
is
the
side
elevation
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
and
again,
we've
introduced
the
the
boxing
up
here
and
the
reintroduction
of
the
of
the
windows
in
the
in
the
gable
end,
and
that's
the
that's.
Basically,
the
only
change
that
we
have
we're,
still
maintaining
the
asphalt
shingle
roof
and
that
will
be
extended
all
throughout
and
you
can
see
the
the
covered,
porch
master
bedroom
and
the
small
balcony
on
the
on
the
rear.
L
I
don't
I
don't
if
this
is
in
your
package,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
read
this,
but
the
windows
that
were
being
proposed
will
all
be
recessed.
They
will
not
be
flush
mounted.
Many
of
the
windows
in
the
existing
house
are
flushed
with
the
exterior
wall
and
then
we're
going
to
provide
the
battens
around
the
window
so
that
it
will,
it
will
read
as
a
true
recessed
window.
L
G
L
Wall
section,
this
is
showing
the
rear
edition
and
the
proposal
for
for
how
we're
going
to
support
the
second
level
of
that
room.
Addition
on
the
rear
for
the
master
bedroom.
L
It
also
shows
you,
the
the
porch,
the
port,
the
floor
joist
and
supports,
and
we're
also
proposing
that
that
be
a
wooden
deck
can.
L
A
I
was
just
saying
zoom
out,
but
you
can
do
that
too.
Thank
you,
which.
L
L
The
soffit
and
port
ceiling
would
be
a
wood
bead
board,
it
would
be
painted-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
front
porch,
so
we're
going
to
be
using
wood
throughout
all
of
the
existing
structure
of
the
of
the
old
existing
home.
Existing
columns
and
beams
or
details
is
to
match
those.
Those
columns
will
be
maintained,
the
same
width
and
the
same
dimensions
and
tapering
that
exist
on
the
house.
Currently,
there
are
12
inch,
tapered
columns
that
we're
proposing
on
the
rear,
porch,
and
that
would
be
matching
the
same
design
and
consistency
as
the
front.
L
L
Proposed
entry
door,
the
gel
wind
custom,
wood
exterior
three
quarter
view
four
light:
one
panel
painted
and
accordion
bifold
doors.
This
is
in
the
rear
panel
of
this
is
the
rear
patio
area.
L
Again,
this
is
a
wood
clad.
I
don't
think
you
really
care
left
hand
or
right
hand
swing,
but
but
anyway,
that's
that's.
On
the
second
level
of
the
balcony.
L
L
The
soffit
and
fascia
detail
or
exposed
rafters.
We
found
some
evidence
of
exposed
raptors
before
some
of
them
had
been
trimmed
off
at
the
edge
of
the
building
line
and
some
had
been
and
they
were
actually
scabbed
onto.
But
we
want
to
reintroduce
that
back
into
the
design
element
the
bracket
detail.
We
found
a
couple
of
broken
brackets
there
no
existing
photographs
of
existing
condition.
L
L
And
again,
the
the
porch
and
all
of
the
front
would
be
restored
back
to
its
original
condition,
with
wood
wood
elements
and
not
and
not
the
hardy
plank,
the
hardy
would
be
reserved
for
the
rear
edition,
and
this
is
the
rear
view,
and
you
see
the
accessory
structure
here,
and
so
this
this
section
in
here
is
where
the
the
second
floor
addition
and
the
covered
porch
would
occur.
L
It's
we
were
asked
by
staff
to
remove
the
non-conforming
paneling
that
existed
on
the
house,
and
what
we
discovered
was
that
85
percent
of
the
materials
on
the
exterior
were
non-conforming.
L
The
wood
trim,
the
doors
the
gable
ends.
There
were
aluminum
windows.
There
were
a
number
of
other
elements
that
were
not
consistent
with
the
hyde
park
guidelines,
so
our
proposal
would
be
to
reintroduce
compatible
elements
that
that
would
match
and
meet
the
hyde
park
standards.
L
When
we
pulled
off
some
of
the
siding
we
found
in
many
cases
that
there
was,
there
simply
was
plywood.
In
some
cases
there
was
asbestos
and
the
asphalt
regular
tar
paper.
There
was
a
hodge
hodgepodge
of
different
things,
but
we
removed
several
different
sections,
all
along
the
exterior
of
the
front
and
sides
of
the
house
and
including
both
of
the
gable
ends,
and
we
just
we
could
not
find
a
consistent
development
pattern
for
the
two
inch
blackboard
siding
the
staff
is
recommending
to
us.
L
We
had
the
the
typical
weather
barrier
with
the
with
the
tar
paper,
and
then
we
had
asbestos
shingles
over
that
and
we
also
had
plywood,
and
then
we
had
vinyl
siding
on
top.
So
it
was
a.
It
was
a
real,
interesting
evolution.
I
guess
over
time
of
what
they
did
to
to
change
the
home
vinyl
and
asbestos.
Siding
above
was
removed
from
both
the
gable
fronts,
and
it
was
exposed
up
in
here
the
non-conforming
corner
boards.
In
the
existing
seven
inch
side,
vinyl
siding
we're
proposing
to
remove.
L
L
So
you
didn't
even
have
the
s
the
asbestos
shingles
and
you
just
had
the
vinyl
siding
being
placed
over
one
by
fours
and
uses
a
backing
board
with
the
insulation,
but
we
removed
all
of
that.
L
It
was
as
I
as
I
mentioned,
it
was
a
real,
interesting
combination
of
non-conforming
solutions
to
improving
the
the
house.
The
the
gable
and
windows
were
aluminum
and
they
were
flush
mounted.
So
there
was,
there
was
no
recess
there
and
our
proposal
is
to
replace
them
recess
them
and
place
a
more
compatible
historic
pattern
for
windows,
and
this
is
where
we
were
proposing
the
the
boxing
on
the
upper
level,
and
you
can
see
all
of
the
asbestos
shingles
that
are
now
exposed
once
we
remove
the
vinyl
siding.
L
Another
photograph-
this
is
up
on
the
upper
level
of
the
gable
end,
where
we
find
these
1x4
framing
details
and
we
had
to
remove
the
asbestos
shingles
it
was.
This
was
a
total
nightmare.
I'll
tell
you
ron,
bennett
went
out
to
the
site
with
us
several
times,
and
he
viewed
it
himself.
So
I
mean
you
can
certainly
attest
to
the
fact
that
this
was
a
hodgepodge
of
of
different
different
types
of
elements.
L
This
is
another
photograph
of
the
same
other
gable
in
and
the
removal
you
can
see
the
the
framing
where
there
used
to
be
windows
and
other
architectural
features
there.
Instead
of
just
blocking
them
off
they,
they
just
boarded
them
up
and
went
put
vinyl
siding
over
the
top
of
them
and
then
one
in
some
cases.
This
had
asbestos
shingles.
On
top
of
it.
L
Now
I'll
get
to
the
the
only
issue
that
I
know
of
that
we
have
a
difference
of
opinion
with
staff
on
and
that
is
regarding
the
the
dimension
of
the
lap
board
siding
the
owner.
When
he
bought
the
house,
it
had
obviously
the
seven
inch
vinyl
siding.
L
But
this
occurs
on
page
46
of
the
design
guidelines
where
it
says
if
it
must
be
replaced.
The
new
siding
should
match
the
original
as
closely
as
possible.
We
could
only
find
one
place
along
the
side
of
the
building
where
there
was
two
inch
lap
boards
hiding,
and
that
was
not
extensive,
I'm
not
sure
if
they
had
removed
it
before
or
had
rotted,
and
that's
why
they
introduced
the
vinyl
and
the
asbestos
siding
or
not.
L
L
L
So
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
I
think
that
we've
we've
addressed
everything
the
size.
The
scale
remains
the
same.
The
massing
and
the
building
form
remains
the
same.
The
only
addition
is
in
the
in
the
rear,
which
is
not
affect
anybody
else.
The
orientation
and
the
site
coverage
remains
the
same.
We're
not
changing
any
of
those
elements.
The
alignment
and
the
materials
within
the
district
that
are
permitted,
we're
reintroducing
those
for
the
compromised
portions
of
the
building
and
re,
essentially
rebuilding
it.
L
The
trim
and
the
trim
details
will
match
all
of
the
hyde
park
guidelines,
we're
not
asking
for
any
extensions
and
we're
not
asking
for
any
conditions
or
compromises
in
that
regard.
The
facade
and
the
proportions
and
the
window
patterns
will
remain
the
same.
The
only
change
is
reintroducing
the
windows
and
the
venting
on
the
upper
level
of
the
gable
ends.
L
L
Some
of
the
piers
will
need
to
be
rebuilt,
but
we're
in
the
process
of
evaluating
that,
and
once
we
get
to
the
building
permit
stage,
those
elements
will
be
examined
to
determine
whether
or
not
we
have
to
do
much
very
much
extensive
work
on
that
at
all.
The
roof
form
remains
the
same:
we're
not
changing
any
of
the
pitches
on
the
roof.
We
are
reintroducing
the
asphalt
shingles
to
the
roofing
and,
again
that's
a
consistent
pattern
and
it's
allowable
by
the
guidelines,
maintenance
and
the
quality
within
the
district.
L
This
would
become
one
of
your
newly
renovated
homes.
That
would
be
consistent
with
the
guidelines
and
it
is
consistent
with
the
secretary
of
state's
guidelines
and
standards,
and
I
know
that
we
disagree
with
the
staff
regarding
the
two
inch
versus
the
seven
inch
lap
board
siding.
However,
that's
an
interpretation,
and
we
believe
that
it
says
that
it's
not
mandatory,
but
it's
a
matter
of
condition
that
it
says
should,
as
opposed
to
it,
shall
and
again.
We
couldn't
find
a
a
prime
example
of
exactly
what
the
original
sighting
was.
L
F
Good
evening,
commissioners
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation.
This
staff
reports
a
little
different
than
what
you're
usually
to
see
on
a
daily
basis.
I
have
a
portion
of
the
staff
reports
that
says
that
it's
not
consistent
and
then
I
have
a
portion
of
the
staff
report
that
is
consistent.
I'm
going
to
first
focus
on.
F
What's
not
consistent
is
on
the
period
structure
in
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
and
the
hyde
park,
design
guidelines,
I'm
going
to
quote
from
in
a
minute,
but
I
had
asked,
as
we
went
forward
for
the
owners
and
agent
to
remove
some
of
the
inappropriate
sightings.
So
we
could
see
what
was
under
there
and
it
was
evident
through
some
of
the
photos
that
were
shown
to
today.
F
Going
back
to
the
original
part
of
the
house
after
we
took
off
some
of
the
siding
there,
the
vinyl
siding
and
then
the
asbestos
siding
there
was
evidence
of
a
tight
lap,
siding
there
two
two
and
a
half
inch
profile.
There
was
some
in
the
porch
area
and
then
there
was
some
on
the
north
elevation.
That
was
was
evident
as
we
move
forward.
F
There's
portions
of
the
the
presentation
this
evening
that
shows
cladded
windows
on
the
whole
structure,
so
portions
of
the
original
footprint,
if
the
replacement
windows
are
to
be
introduced,
they
should
be
true.
Wood
windows
on
the
old
portion
of
the
structure
and
then
cladded
can
be
on
the
new
portion
of
the
edition.
F
Also
the
siding.
He
talked
about
citing
the
different
profiles,
but,
as
you
went
to
the
edition
he
talked
about,
the
introduction
of
hardy
hardy
has
been
a
material
that
has
been
approved
by
this
board
for
new
constructions
of
an
accessory
structure
or
new
construction
for
the
primary
structure,
but
not
integrated
into
a
contributing
structure.
F
That's
from
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
now
moving
to
the
hyde
park,
design
guidelines
steve
briefly
touched
upon
that.
It
says
that
the
prevalent
type
of
exterior
siding
materials
on
houses
in
the
historic
district
is
wood.
The
siding
is
one
of
the
most
distinctive
characters
of
the
frame
house's
in-height
part.
It
consists
of
lap
siding
running
horizontally.
F
F
F
A
You
ron
now
open
the
hearing
up
to
public
comment.
If
there's
anybody
present
who
would
like
to
come
forward
speaking
either
for
or
against,
please
do
so
and
seeing
them
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
that
component
of
the
hearing
and
now
the
commissioners
will
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
and
please
if
we
could
go
in
the
order
of
our
usual,
which
is
site
plan,
elevations,
architectural
details
and
wall
sections.
That
would
be
great
anyone
with
any
site
plan
questions.
B
B
B
Sir,
to
the
south
side
of
your
elevation
of
your
building,
you're
proposing
in
addition,
as
part
of
this
plan,
is
that
correct?
Yes,.
B
Also,
understanding
that
you're
having
a
flight
of
stairs
down
to
the
west
of
this.
G
J
G
A
set
of
steps
this.
G
L
G
G
B
Okay,
so
what
is
the
composition
of
those
stairs
that
are
they're
going
to
be
break?
Much
like
they
are
in
the
front
of
the
house.
G
B
Okay,
so
we
so
we
have
that.
I
notice
that
you
have
on
the
opposite
side
of
this
building
your
utility
yard,
where
you
have
your
ac
equipment.
B
Are
existing
locations?
Are
you
not
planning
on
changing
or
upsizing
or
adding
capacity
for
your
addition?
Upstairs.
L
L
No,
I
mean
we
can
certainly
put
the
typical
lattice
type
of
screening,
so
they
can
breathe
and
and
cut
down
on
the
vision,
the
visual
aspect
of
it.
We
certainly
have
no
objection
to
that.
A
No
any
questions
regarding
the
elevations.
A
C
Okay,
that
news
the
new
south
elevation.
Well,
let's
yeah,
let's
look
at
the
proposed
south
elevation.
My
question
is:
where,
where
do
you
intend
to
stop
the
wood
siding
and
start
the
hardy
board.
L
You
know,
I
think
the
staff
made
a
good
point
about
that
hardy
board
and
I
think
that
you
know
we
certainly
could
change
that
to
wood
without
introducing
a
different
design.
You
know
different
type
of
material
into
that
main
structure,
even
for
the
addition-
and
you
know
quite
honestly-
I
didn't
really
think
about
that.
Until
ron
mentioned
it,
but
we
could,
we
could
certainly
commit
to
make
that
all
wood.
L
A
C
And
the
and
now.
C
Well
now
I
want
to
ask
about
the
windows
as
well,
because
it
seems
to
me
like
the
original
that
the
original
structure
was
square
and
so
the
if
you
look
at
the
existing
side
elevation,
there
are
two
sets
towards
the
rear
of
the
house.
There
are
two
sets
of
triple
windows
and
those
are
being
replaced
in
the
in
the
addition,
and
so
what
kind
of
you
know
so
now
we're
where?
Where
are
we
saying
that
the
history
starts?
C
L
C
So
you're
suggesting
so
all
of
those
were
getting
rid
of
two
sets
of
ganged
wind
windows.
L
L
Okay,
so
I
mean
that's
we're
trying
to
reintroduce
where
we
found
that
there
was
a
cut
out
for
a
window
that
was
either
moved
or
just
or
boarded
our
you
know,
put
the
siding
over
them.
G
G
Height
is
only
six
foot
eight
and
the
proposed
ceiling
height
to
be
continuous
for
the
whole
first
floor
is
going
to
be
nine
feet,
ten
inches,
so
it's
going
to
be
a
great
room,
and
so
we
really
wanted
to
repeat
the
head
height
throughout
the
entire
home
at.
I
think
it's
at
seven
foot,
eight
actually.
K
G
We
really
wanted
to
be
consistent
with
that.
So
your
experience
in
that
room,
all
the
head
heights
are
the
same
consistently
in
that
space.
So
that
explains
the
head
height.
It
doesn't
explain
the
reason
why
we
took
out
those
triple
windows.
I
have
a
feeling,
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
wall.
That's
going
to
house
a
piece
of
furniture,
possibly.
J
B
Let's
put
it
this
way.
What
you're
actually
saying,
though,
is
that
from
this
indicator
we
see
from
the
red
pen
that
element
we
have
if
you
were
going
to
be
historically,
you
know
true,
blue
to
the
whole
thing
that
would
be
a
covered
porch,
then
some
point
in
time
who
knows
when
and
where
or
how
that
became
enclosed,
and
it
may
be
more
contemporary
than
we
know
that
we
don't
have
any
information
that
we
could
put
in
our
finger
on
that.
G
And
the
ceiling
height,
we
have
a
building
scan
that
the
client
paid
for,
and
so
we
can
scan
around
the
entire
building
and
it
has
a
drop
ceiling.
So
when
the
renovation
takes
place
and
we
put
a
second
floor
on
there,
we're
going
to
continue
the
floor
sandwich
and
the
floor
joists,
so
it's
going
to
become
a
more
stable
structure
right
now.
We
don't
know
how
that
porch
is
being
supported.
Well,.
B
Then
then,
in
that
respect,
then
is
not
the
the
porch,
the
original
porch,
as
a
structure
being
so
thoroughly
renovated
that
it's
really
the
only
part.
That's
that
that
exists
is
really
the
four
square
of
the
original
house.
A
L
We
said
we
were
going
to
do
was
to
reevaluate
the
supporting
columns
underneath
the
foundation
and
make
sure
that
it
was
strong
enough
to
support
the
renovation
and
the
addition
on
the
second
level.
We
don't
really
know
what's
going
on
underneath
there
we
didn't,
we
didn't
do
a
thorough
foundation
examination.
We
know
that
we
know
that
it
was
filled
in.
We
don't
know
when
or
how
we
do.
L
We
do
know
that
those
windows
are
are
not
consistent
with
the
high
car
guidelines
and
we,
where
am
I
going
to
make
it
sorry,
I'm
sorry
too
much
technology
up.
There
turn
this
on
turn
it
off.
I
don't
know
anyway,
we
don't
really
know,
and
since
it's
at
the
rear
of
the
building,
it's
not
really
affecting
the
the
street
side
view
or
the
historic
or
architectural
significance
of
the
building.
I
mean
typically
over
time
and
I'm
guessing
based
on
the
way
that
it
looked.
L
C
D
C
L
I
mean
I'm
saying
new
new
in
the
50s
or
new
in
the
80s
or
90s
I
mean
I
I'm
just
guessing
again,
but
based
upon
the
fact
that
they
got
a
variance
back
in
1990
that
there
had
to
have
been
some
reason
that
they
were
doing
that
and
that
could
very
well
since
it
was
on
that
rear
portion,
where
the
eve
to
eve
separation
was
varied.
That
could
very
well
have
been
when
that
occurred
may
not
have
been.
It
may
have
been
before
that.
I
don't
know.
A
L
I
don't
think
we
have
any
foundation
amy.
Do
we
have
any
foundation
drawings.
D
D
L
Yeah
it's
hard
to
determine
because,
like
I
said
we
we
didn't
excavate
under
there
and
we
didn't
have
a
structural
engineer,
look
at
it,
but
we
were
proposing
the
same
as
it
says.
On
the
top
of
the
first
floor,
we're
proposing
the
same
elevation
to
occur
so
it
would,
it
would
be
the
continuous
throughout
the
home.
L
L
A
How
do
you
propose
to
close
the
foundation
area,
then,
if
you're
doing
piers.
A
L
A
L
We
weren't
even
sure
when
that
was
removed,
but
because
the
asbestos
was
there,
the
asbestos
siding
and
because
some
of
it
was
just
on
tar
paper
and
some
was
tar
paper
with
with
plywood
nailed
over
top
of
it
and
then
and
then
we
had
the
vinyl
siding.
On
top,
we
looked
at
it
and
determined
that
the
house
was
so
compromised
that
we
could
not
find
a
defining
element
that
demonstrated
that
the
two
inch
was
the
was
the
original
structure.
We
couldn't
even
find
photographs
that
showed
that.
F
He's
accurate,
you
know
there
was
a
small
percentage,
but
I
thought
it
was
important
just
to
as
a
preservationist
to
explore
that
with
the
stat.
You
know
the
board
this
evening
and
kind
of
see
the
direction
you
wanted
to
go,
but
there
was
evidence
on
the
north
elevation
towards
the
front
and
then
under
the
porch,
where
the
elements
don't
eat
away.
Usually
at
the
original
materials
there
was
a
small
section
under
there,
but
there
was
definitely
a
smaller
exposure
that
was
present.
F
L
A
L
L
Let
us
put
in
the
seven
inch
make
it
consistent
with
the
high
part
guidelines
and-
and
you
know,
when
ron
was
going
through
the
the
different
criteria,
it
doesn't
say
you
shall
it
says
you
should,
and
we
think
that
this
is
an
extraordinarily
good
example
of
you
know
how
you
take
a
sal's
ear
and
make
it
a
silk
purse
to
use
a
vernacular.
L
The
the
cost
difference
between
a
two
inch
or
three
inch
versus
a
seven
inch
is
probably
nominal,
but
it's
the
look
that
he
wants.
It's
the
look
that
he
bought
when
he
bought
the
house,
even
though
it
was
vinyl
siding
and
he
likes
it.
So
I
mean
he.
This
is
what
he
really
wants
to
do
and
he
wants
to
make
this
a
beautiful
example
of
old.
You
know
hyde
park.
C
Getting
back
to
this
four
square
question:
can
we
look
at
the
other
elevation
please?
I
think
it
would
be
the
north
elevation.
G
C
B
Related
to
that
question,
sir
windows,
the
existing
windows
that
are
in
the
house
right
now
do
you
have
or
can
you
have
your
people
been
able
to
identify
any
existing
window
that
could
be
considered,
maybe
original
or
are
they
all
aluminum
or
changed
out
in
some
fashion?.
L
L
B
No
just
a
general
question
because
you
know
it
seems
at
some
point
in
time
that
basically,
the
entire,
whatever
constituted
the
skin
of
this
building,
got
largely
peeled
off
and
replaced
several
times.
B
G
L
Terms
of
you
know
what
was
stripped
off
and
then
what
was
popular
at
the
time
of
you
know
how
you
renovate
a
home.
I
know
from
my
own
experience
my
grandparents
thought
it
would
be
a
great
idea
to
put
aluminum
siding
over
asbestos,
shingles
and
and
underneath
that
was
lap
board,
siding
and
I'm
thinking,
okay,
why'd,
you
do
that.
So
there
was,
you
know
several
different
layers.
We.
L
Yeah,
but
that
was
the
popular
thing
and
and
door-to-door.
L
Sears
and
roebuck
made
a
lot
of
money
by
you
know
offering
these
great
deals,
and
so
they
took
them
up
on
it.
The
same
thing
applies
to
aluminum
awnings
and
a
lot
of
those
have
been
stripped
off,
but
I
remember
you
know
in
my
in
my
youth
that
there
there
were
a
lot
of
aluminum
awnings
in
hyde
park.
F
Ron
villa
for
additional
information,
I've
been
on
the
site
numerous
times.
The
front
elevation
has
all
been
compromised.
As
far
as
the
fenestration
goes,
I'm
very
positive
in
my
interpretation
to
the
right
of
the
door.
If
you
could
go
back
to
do
you
want
to
see
the
front
what
I'm
talking.
F
Well,
I
have
it
on
my
screen:
that's
probably
a
little
more
thorough
and
I
can
zoom
in
but
to
the
right
of
the
door.
There's
there's
a
french
door
there
that
is
not
original
to
the
structure
to
the
left
of
the
front
door
is
a
multi-pane
over
multi-pane
the
trim,
the
siding.
Everything
leads
me
to
believe.
It's
not
original.
F
F
The
door
placement
is
probably
appropriate
with
the
transom
I
didn't
get
too
much
into
the
ghosting
or
any
scoring
underneath
that
portion,
I
didn't
see,
get
peeled
off.
I
didn't
know
if
I
had
any
side
lights
associated
with
the
front
door
package,
but
the
to
the
right
to
the
left
of
the
front
door
and
the
second
floor
that
that's
all
been
altered
from
the
original
structure.
L
If
I
could
just
add
commissioners
that
once
we
we
strip
off
the
rest
of
the
siding,
we'll
be
able
to
tell
what
was
the
original
and
what
wasn't
and
we'll
be
in
constant
contact
with
with
ron
villa
and
have
him
come
out
to
the
site
and
advise
us
on.
You
know
how
we
can
better,
replace
and
renovate
the
existing
front
facade,
and
that
I
mean
that
applies
throughout
the
remainder
of
the
house
on
on
the
exteriors.
L
But
it
has
been
so
compromised
that
I
said
we
couldn't
find
a
defining
characteristic
for
the
siding.
The
windows,
you
know,
they've
been
moved,
they've
been
replaced
with
aluminum.
I
mean
this.
This
is
a
hodgepodge
of
a
mess
and,
like
I
said,
the
owner
is
committed
to
restoring
it
back
to
what
would
be
historically
correct.
L
Now
it's,
like,
I
said,
he's
we're
stripping
this
down
to
the
to
the
framing
and
then
rebuilding
and
rescabing
onto
this.
The
the
studs
is
necessary
and
we'll
also
be
exposing
the
original
location
of
the
windows,
and
if
they
need
to
be
moved
in
accordance
with
what
was
previously
there
we'll
be
moving
those
so
that
they
correspond
with
those
original
patterns
and
spacing.
G
A
L
As
I
said
that
you
know,
we've
worked
very
closely
with
staff
and
and
the
only
issue
that
really
that
the
board
needs
to
consider
is
whether
or
not
you'll
give
us
some
latitude
regarding
the
siding,
the
width
of
the
siding
and
we're
respectfully
requesting
that
you
do
that.
We
think
that
we've
demonstrated
that
there
is
a
true
and
just
cause
for
that,
and
we
respectfully
request
your
approval
for
that.
A
D
D
A
A
A
The
evidence
before
us,
though,
shows
that
there
was
a
layering
and
yes
indeed,
most
of
the
original
sighting
is
gone,
but
because
of
the
way
it
was
layered
is
very
is
pretty
clear
in
my
mind
as
someone
who
has
practiced
in
historic
structures
with
historic
structures,
even
in
this
neighborhood,
that
the
two
inch
is
more
than
likely
the
original.
It
is
consistent
with
the
age
of
the
home,
the
1915
era.
A
What
what
I
am
intrigued
by
is
the
fact
that
there
are
great
links
being
taken
to
to
sort
of
read
the
ruins
right,
and
I
love
that
about
historic
properties,
that
there
are
ghosts
in
the
machine,
basically
right
and
they're
they're,
giving
you
all
kinds
of
signals
and
you're
doing
these
tremendously
wonderful
things
for
this
house.
I
applaud
you.
I
think
the
drawings
are
great.
I
honestly
do
I'm
talking
to
your
designer.
A
I
think
there's
a
lot
here
that
speaks
to
understanding
the
context,
to
understanding
the
historical
precedent
to
wanting
to
celebrate
all
of
that
within
this
neighborhood,
so
it
it
is.
It
is
quite
interesting
to
me
that
we're
having
this
discussion
about
a
two
inch
profile
versus
a
seven-
and
I
understand
the
owner-
has
a
preference
aesthetically
for
the
salmon
inch.
A
But
if
you're
going
to
these
great
lengths
to
replace
windows
through
to
look
at
the
trim
to
look
at
these
gable
and
facades
and
say,
hey,
there's
evidence
for
this
and
we're
doing
all
these
wonderful
things
with
the
detail,
the
trim,
the
materiality
I
mean
you've
consistently
said
we're
going
to
use
wood
wherever
we
think
the
original
structure
is
so
taking
that
one
extra
step
I
agree
there
might
be
some
price
differential.
Maybe
maybe
not
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
places.
You
can
go
and
get
a
bit
I
mean
I
can.
G
A
You
need
it,
I
do
have
a
guy
who
probably
has
those
bits
he
used
to
be
on
rome
yeah.
He
probably
still
is
there,
it's
been
a
while
for
me,
but
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
that,
and
I
understand
it,
but
to
make
all
those
moves
put
that
much
money
into
this
into
this
structure
and
not
go
that
one
little
step
to
be
consistent.
I
it's
it's
it's
a
big
question
mark
for
me.
I
understand
the
owner's
preference.
I
honestly
do
so
that's
my
my
view
from
a
history.
B
The
siding
has
a
seven
inch
lap,
but
you
are
correct.
You
know
when
you're
going
through
the
hoops
to
to
to
unearth
every
scrap
of
existing
fabric,
with
the
intention
of
bringing
that
portion
of
that
building
back
to
that
fabric,
even
though
you
have
to
fabricate
the
whole
thing
at
least
once,
if
not
twice
before,
you're,
all
over
and
done
with,
and
not
to
do
that
for
your
siding,
which
you
are
going
to
replace
anyway.
B
Almost
seems
like
a
sin,
and
I
I
can
honestly
say
that
yeah
I
would
support
you
know.
The
idea
of
you
know
if
you
want
to
use
synthetic
material
on
the
existing
on
on
the
new
edition.
That's
fine!
If
you
want
to
use
clad
on
the
new
edition,
that's
fine,
but
for
the
existing
building
it's
going
to
be
all
wood
or
not
at
all,
and
if
it's
and
and
if
that
exists,
and
if
the
evidence
shows
that
it's
of
this
profile,
then
it
really
ought
to
be
of
that
profile.
D
B
D
See
plenty
of
that
too.
Usually
it's
I
mean
my
experience
is
actually
more
between
four
and
six,
but
every
one
of
them
was
different
because
you
were
getting
materials
from
all
types
of
different
places
and
sometimes
building
those
materials
on
site.
B
B
Know
as
an
example,
if
you
want
to
change
your
materiality
for
that
portion
of
your
addition,
that's
above
that
roof
line
for
the
addition.
You
know,
we'd
be
wide
open
to
that
sort
of
thing,
because
that's
not
an
unusual
circumstance
of
on
you
know,
under
the
guidelines
in
hyde
park,
for
the
purposes
that
you
have
at
hand
for
the
existing
buildings
that
you're
going
so
far
to
make
that
as
a
bonafide
restoration.
E
E
A
E
L
Just
I
wasn't
going
to
ask
for
continue.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
a
quick
statement,
a
request
of
the
board
on
how
you
proceed,
but
if
you
would.
A
Yes,
that's
correct.
Are
there
any
other
comments
or
concerns
that
we
should
discuss.
C
C
C
I'm
a
little
surprised
at
the
two-inch,
the
the
reintroduced
detail
at
the
gable,
but
I
think
there
is
there
exists
precedent
for
that.
Are.
C
A
C
A
A
C
B
It
could
be
either
yeah
I've
seen
both
it
could
be,
wood
paneling,
it
could
be
or
stucco
I've
seen
them
both.
A
D
G
B
G
B
B
A
The
motion
just
in
case
in
terms
of
the
the
siding
profile,
if,
if
we
do
recommend
that
they
revisit
the
notion
of
the
two
inch
versus
the
seven
inch,
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
sure
that
we
also
add
in
there
that
the
location
of
the
vertical
board
to
divide
the
areas
is
fully
coordinated.
I
do
think
they're
in
the
right
spot,
but
when
they
start
to
uncover
the
evidence.
G
A
G
E
Anyone
like
okay,
can,
I
just
clarify
in
regards
to
the
two
inch
or
seven
inch
siding.
Are
you
leaving
that
designation
to
be
coordinated
with
staff.
A
A
D
Referring
back
to
staff
is
once
they
start
uncovering
and
on
the
renovation
side
of
this,
where
that
delineation
line
is,
we
think
we
know
where
it
is
as
of
today,
but
unfortunately,
there's
no
way
to
clearly
know
where
that
is
until
you
start
taking
all
this
siding
off.
So
I
think
that
was
what
was
you
may
have
heard,
referring
back
to
staff
on
that.
G
E
B
Yeah
on
the
siding,
help
clarify
that
I
think
there's
still
some
exploratory
work
to
be
done
on
site,
and
I
think
that
if
we
stated
something
along
the
lines
of
a
two-inch
nominal
exposure
to
match
existing,
we
give
whatever
room
is
necessary.
It
could
be
two
and
a
quarter
could
be
two
and
a
half.
We
don't
know
exactly
what
that
number
is
tonight.
A
I
agree
with
the
nominal
anyone
wish
to
move
forward
with
the
motion.
B
Okay,
we
have
the
demising
board,
we
have
the
all
wood
on
the
contributing
structure
and
we
have
the
nominal
two
inch
sighting
to
be
coordinated.
B
Be
made
entirely
of
wood
with
respect
to
the
contributing
structure,
to
that
the
demising
board
between
exterior
finishes,
as
for
the
exterior
of
the
building,
be
coordinated
with
staff
in
the
field
as
to
its
final
location,
depending
upon
the
findings
of
what
may
be
uncovered,
as
as
the
building
is
being
denuded
and
three
that
this,
that
the
siding
for
the
contributing
structure
consists
of
a
two
inch
nominal.
B
For
the
reasons
that,
based
upon
the
finding
of
fact
that
this
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park.
Historic
guidelines
of
the
city
of
tampa.
For
the
following
reasons.
Predominantly
that
we
have
an
attempt
in
this
massive
renovation
to
maintain
the
materials
as
found
in
assemblies
as
found
within
the
district.
Also
with
respect
to
the
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
with
respect
to
the
repair
and
maintenance
of
exterior
wood
detailing.
G
G
A
So
all
in
favor
of
the
motion,
as
presented,
please
state
I
and
raise
your
hands
to
indicate.
I
am
opposed
seeing
none.
The
motion
carries
so
you
have
a
certificate
of
approval
with
conditions.
Thank
you.
L
A
A
The
way
I
know
that
this
I
now
declare
this
hearing
close.
Thank
you
very
much.