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A
B
Call
this
hearing
on
november,
1st
2021
public
hearing
for
the
city
of
tampa's
architectural
review
commission
to
order
welcome
I'm
susan
klaus
smith.
I
am
acting
as
the
chair
tonight.
I
am
the
vice
chair
for
the
commission,
I'm
also
an
architect.
If
you're
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
B
B
Following
the
presentation
and
public
comment,
the
commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
the
presentation
was
given
when
you
do
come
up,
please
state
and
spell
your
name
clearly,
if
you're
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
and
then
following
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
B
Please
note
that
the
arc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional
responsibility.
Owner
agents
are
independently
responsible
to
obtain
any
appropriate
permits
and
or
approvals.
If
you
haven't
already
done
so,
please
silence
your
cell
phones,
and
I
will
ask
my
fellow
commissioners
who
are
here
tonight
to
introduce
themselves
starting
on
my
left.
C
B
C
B
The
minutes-
yes,
sorry,
we
have
before
us
the
minutes
from
the
october
4th
and
october
6th
hearing.
C
F
Them
good
evening,
commissioners,
dennis
fernandez,
architectural
review
and
historic
preservation
manager.
Welcome
to
this
evening's
hearing
just
a
couple
brief
announcements:
we
do
have
a
full
agenda,
so
we
do
want
to
get
underway
quickly.
I
do
have
the
administrative
approvals
for
october
2021,
which
have
been
provided
to
the
clerk
for
the
record,
and
I
did
want
to
announce
that
we
will
be
holding
the
second
portion
of
our
november
cycle
on
november
3rd
at
6
pm,
and
we
have
at
this
point
a
quorum
for
that
meeting.
F
So
we
should
be
having
that
without
a
problem
and
just
a
friendly
reminder
just
to
keep
in
mind
that
beginning
in
january
of
2022,
these
meetings
will
be
beginning
at
5,
30
p.m.
So
I'll
be
reminding
you
of
that
up
in
until
that
time,
and
with
that,
I
believe
we
can
move
now
to
conflicts
of
interest
in
ex
parte
communication
disclosure.
G
Good
evening
commissioners,
kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
will
the
commissioners
please
state
whether
or
not
they
have
any
conflicts
of
interest
regarding
any
of
the
items
that
are
on
the
agenda,
hello?
Will
the
commissioners
please
state
whether
or
not
they've
had
any
ex
parte
communications
regarding
any
of
the
items
on
the
agenda?
H
H
B
H
G
Excuse
me
is
that
the
request
for
the
applicant
to
continue
it.
H
I
D
I
I
moved
to
granted
continuance
in
the
case
of
arc
21-343
to
the
january
5th
meeting
at
5
30.
H
H
H
There
are
a
couple
of
structures
on
this
property
that
are
contributing
that
date
back
to
1920..
The
current
zoning
classification
is
rs
60..
They
have
two
requests
this
evening
and
I
have
spoke
to
the
agent,
I
think,
for
the
ease
of
the
presentation.
If
we
can
split
them
up,
there's
a
demolition
attached
to
the
contributing
accessory
structure.
H
Let's
review
the
information
first
for
the
demolition.
If
the
demolition
passes,
then
we
could
go
into
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction,
for
an
accessory
structure
with
site
improvements
attached
to
your
staff
report
on
page
three
is
the
tampa
city
of
ordinances
that
you
will
be
reviewing
this
application
with
as
chapter
27,
116,
f,
1
through
3
and
then
also
in
your
packet.
You
have
the
demolition
report
that
you
can
follow
along
with.
H
H
H
H
H
And
you
see
the
proximity
to
from
the
accessory
structure
to
the
abutting
accessory
structure
to
the
neighbor
part
of
the
challenges
for
this
accessory
structure,
that
it
does
encroach
over
the
property
line,
and
the
agent
will
address
those
those
items
with
you,
but
the
telephone
pole
isn't
really
an
indication
that,
with
that
when,
when
we're
in
the
field
to
kind
of
show
where
the
structures
are
at
they're
placed
on
the
property
lines
usually-
and
it
shows
how
the
the
overhangs
encroach
this
is
looking
at
the
condition
of
the
alleys.
This
is
in
one
direction.
H
J
J
J
So
I
have
no
problem
answering
questions
for
the
architectural
part
of
the
presentation
and
we
do
have
the
report
from
the
engineer.
So
I
feel
like
I
can
answer
questions
if
needed.
So
I'm
going
to
start
with
a
brief
history
of
the
project.
J
The
the
owners,
peter
and
alexandra
wu
approached
me
back
in
2019
about
to
add
a
addition
on
to
the
back
of
their
house
and
it
also
included
renovating
their
detached
garage.
So
we
started
the
design
process
and
somewhere
in
2020,
when
we
were
trying
to
get
a
permit,
we
were
informed
that
the
accessory
structure
encroached
upon
city
property.
So,
after
a
lot
of
deliberation,
we
kind
of
peeled
that
part
of
the
project
off
and
then
created
a
separate
project
and
just
did
the
addition
which
was
approved
and
is
under
construction.
J
So
he
went
through
an
application
for
encroachment
and
it
did
not
pass
because
tico
had
issues
with
the
overhead
power
lines,
so
I'll
get
into
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
that.
But
that's
the
reason
why
we're
here
for
a
demolition,
because
we
could
not
get
a
an
encroachment
for
this
building
which
prevents
us
from
properly
renovating
it.
So
that's
kind
of
the
time
frame.
I
mean
that's
where
we
are
today,
so
I'm
going
to
kind
of
use
the
chapter
27
as
a
guide
for
my
presentation
and
just.
J
The
two
story
accessory
structure
and
it
encroaches
approximately
about
a
foot
or
point
eight
feet
onto
the
into
the
alley
beyond
the
property
line
and
there's
also
quite
a
few
overhead
power
lines
going
over
it,
which
I'm
going
to
show
you
some
pictures.
J
J
Okay,
so
starting
with
the
burden
of
proof,
alternatives
to
demolition
or
relocation
such
as
planned
development
districts.
So
because
of
the
I'm
going
to
just
read
this,
the
owners
of
18
or
818
edison
first
attempted
to
include
the
renovation
of
the
existing
conforming
garage
with
the
permit
for
a
new
rear
addition
to
the
property.
J
During
the
permit
review
process,
the
owners
were
advised
that
the
existing
garage
encroached
on
city
property,
because
the
cost
of
rehabilitating
and
stabilizing
the
structure
exceeded
the
amount
allowed.
The
owners
were
advised
to
then
submit
a
request
for
authorization
of
encroachment
as
an
alternative
to
demolition.
The
owners
filed
for
the
authorization
of
encroachment
with
the
city
of
tampa
so
that
the
structure
could
be
legally
kept
in
its
current
location.
J
J
J
J
Part
b,
whether
the
landmark
or
building
or
destruction,
can
be
retained
on
the
site
in
its
current
location,
because
the
authorization
for
encroachment
was
not
granted
without
conditions
which
in
turn
causes
an
economic
hardship.
The
existing
accessory
structure
cannot
be
kept
in
its
current
location
on
the
site.
J
J
J
Please
refer
to
exhibit
b
the
report
from
the
license
engineer
and
pictures
of
the
severe
leaning
of
the
structure
based
on
the
report.
From
the
licensed
engineer,
the
structure
cannot
be
relocated
and
I'm
going
to
show
you
a
couple
pictures,
because
the
actual
building
has
started
has
gotten
worse,
since
we
first
were
approached
by
the
owners.
J
Okay,
so
here
here's
the
first
picture
kind
of
like
a
far
away
picture.
H
J
One
of
my
workers
hold
up
a
level
and
you
can
see
that
you
know
over
eight
feet
or
ten
feet.
There's
there's
quite
a
significant
lean
on
the
structure
and
here's
a
close-up
view
of
that
the
level
and
then
I
also
did
that
same
thing
on
the
other
side,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
that
the
whole
structure
is
is
racking
on
the
first
floor.
The
second
floor
is
kind
of
staying
plumb,
but
the
first
floor
is
racking
and
part
of
the
reasons
for
that.
J
Aside
from
a
pretty
poor
foundation,
is
a
structural
I-beam
that
was
installed.
I
don't
know
when
and
by
whom,
but
it's
something
that's
the
engineer
believes
is
starting
to
it's
causing
a
good
part
of
this
problem,
and
these
are
just
pictures
of
that
I-beam
that
was
put
in
there
illegally,
probably
without
a
permit.
J
And
then
I'm
also
going
to
show
you
a
couple
pictures
of
the
existing
foundation
and
you'll
see
that
it's
somebody
it's
this.
This
structure
was
probably
just
the
walls.
They
were
sitting
on
a
slab
and
somebody
came
back
in
and
poured
concrete
over
the
whole
base
of
the
wall,
so
those
studs
cannot
really
be
replaced
without
completely
removing
the
foundation.
J
B
J
J
So,
unfortunately,
the
engineer
recommended
that
the
owners
vacate
the
building
because
it
was
unsafe
in
his
opinion,
and
you
can
kind
of
read
down
that.
He
also
does
not
believe
that
the
structure
can
be
moved
because
that
was
the
original
intent
was
to
try
to
remove
the
entire
first
floor
of
the
structure,
because
the
footings
and
the
walls
all
have
to
be
replaced.
But
the
fear
is
that
if
we
take
the
entire
first
floor
out
and
somehow
try
to
shore
it
up,
there's
going
to
be
a
good
chance
that
it
was
going
to
fall.
J
J
Part
e,
whether
the
demolition
is
justified
as
an
economic
hardship.
The
owner
was
prepared
to
fully
renovate
and
structurally
stabilize
the
existing
accessory
structure,
if
allowed
to
keep
the
structure
in
its
current
location,
the
condition
from
tico
that
the
power
lines
over
the
structure
be
relocated
underground
causes
a
direct
hardship
for
the
owner.
J
Tico
estimates
the
cost
to
relocate
the
power
lines
to
be
in
the
range
of
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
which
I
believe
you
have
a
copy
of
the
email
that
I
was
sent
for,
that
the
additional
cost,
along
with
extensive
costs
to
renovate,
stabilize
and
move
the
existing
structure,
are
more
than
the
owners
are
willing
to
accommodate
additionally
having
to
work
on
any
renovations
with
the
overhead
power
lines
above
the
structure
will
not
only
be
unsafe,
but
will
require
unreasonable
safety
precautions
for
construction
workers.
These
precautions
will
be
very
expensive
and
lead
to
additional
economic
hardships.
J
Part
three
economic
hardship
on
applications
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
the
air.
She
shall
consider
the
question
of
economic
hardship
for
the
applicant.
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
that
I'll.
Just
go
into
my
response
to
that.
The
contractors
produce
comparison
estimates
showing
the
cost
difference
between
rehabilitation,
renovation
of
the
existing
contributing
accessory
structure
and
building
a
new
conforming
structure.
J
Please
refer
to
exhibit
c,
considering
that
the
existing
structure
cannot
be
feasibly
locate,
relocated.
Based
on
the
report
from
the
engineer,
the
slash
renovation
would
be
performed
in
its
in
the
current
location
in
order
to
stabilize
the
existing
structure
from
failure.
The
entire
foundation
and
first
floor
bearing
walls,
including
all
exterior
walls,
would
need
to
be
completely
replaced.
This
would
require
significant
and
costly
structural
shoring
and
bracing
to
essentially
remove
the
entire
first
floor
and
support
the
second
floor
in
its
current
location,
so
that
the
first
floor
replacement
could
be
completed.
J
J
B,
a
report
from
a
licensed
engineer,
architect
with
experience
and
rehabilitation
as
to
the
structural
soundness
of
the
structure
and
its
suitability
for
relocation
and
rehabilitation.
You
can
refer
to
the
engineers
report.
For
that
part
c,
the
estimated
market
value
of
the
property-
please
refer
to
exhibit
e
from
tampa
homestyles.
I
believe
that
the
estimated
market
value
of
this
project
would
be
they're
they're,
estimating
that
the
current
value
of
the
home
is
one
million
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand.
J
J
Any
listening
of
the
property
for
sale
or
rent
price
asked
and
other
offers
received
if
any
in
the
previous
two
years
it
was
listed
for
sale
for
1.15
million
and
eight
of
2019,
and
the
price
has
changed
to
one
million
one
point:
one:
four
million
the
assessed
value
in
2020
is
nine
hundred
thousand
nine
hundred
in
2021
the
assessed
value
was
913
573
dollars.
J
And
then
the
real
estate
taxes
were
17
thousand
thirty
nine
dollars
and
ninety
cents
in
2021
it
was
seventeen
thousand
one
hundred
sixty
nine
dollars
and
forty
one
cents,
the
owner,
our
individuals,
alexander
fisher
and
peter
wu,
and
that
kind
of
completes.
My
responses
to
section
27.
J
I
just
kind
of
want
to
summarize
that
that
we
have
tried
quite
a
few
avenues
to
try
to
save
this
structure
and
we
kept
hitting
a
lot
of
roadblocks
and
at
the
end
it
was
going.
It
ended
up
costing
quite
a
bit
of
money
and
became
unfeasible.
So
with
that,
I
conclude
my
presentation
and
I'll
be
available
for
questions.
Thank
you.
H
Good
evening,
commissioner
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation
evaluating
this
application.
We
look
for
the
completeness
that
it
is
consistent
with
chapter
27,
116
f1-3
and
the
information
that
we
received
and
we
reviewed
complies
with
that
section
of
the
code.
B
Dennis
at
this
time,
we
do
have
public
comment
opportunity,
correct
on
the
demolition
correct,
so
we'll
open
the
hearing
now
to
public
comment.
You
do
have
three
minutes
if
you'd
like
to
speak-
and
you
have
not
been
sworn
in,
please
let
us
know
when
you
will
be
sworn
in.
Anyone
wish
to
come
forward.
Speaking
for
against
the
demolition
of
this
property,
seeing
none,
we
will
go
ahead
and
close.
The
public
hearing
public
comment
portion
of
the
hearing
and
the
commissioners
will
start
to
ask
questions
beginning
on
my
right.
J
Well,
I
think
it
was
built
at
one
time
and
has
been
modified.
I
think
they've
tried
to
shore
up
the
building
over
time.
That's
where
the
the
steel
I-beam
and
that
concrete
added
concrete
footing
at
the
base
of
the
wall
happened.
So
I
think
it's
been
modified
structurally
and
then
the
second
floor,
I
think,
is
something
you
know
they
have
a
little
kitchen
up
there,
which
is
probably
done
after
the
fact.
J
I
actually
had
tico
come
out
and
put
the
orange
protective
barriers
on
it,
though
the
wind
storm
blew
quite
a
few
of
them
off,
but
you
know
yes,
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
that
is
that
the
kind
of
wrap
you're
talking
about
or.
D
J
D
J
J
The
the
you
know
that
that's
significantly
more
so
and
then
the
for
you
know
the
framing
would
be
more
difficult
and
the
foundation
work
would
be
more
difficult.
So
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
you
know,
shoring
demolition,
framing
concrete
and
then
the
tico
hardship.
So
if
you
throw
all
those
together,
that's
why
it
took
the
price
for
rehabilitating
higher
than
to
build
new.
B
J
I
was
never
able
to
get
the
underground
utility
locations
the
only.
I
think
the
only
the
site
plan
really
only
addresses
the
overhead
power
lines,
but
not
the
underground
utilities.
B
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
point
in
your
response
about
even
in
working
the
rehabilitation
that
if
you
had
gone
in
and
if
you
were
to
go
about
replacing
the
foundation
there
was
that
possibility
of
running
into
underground
utilities.
As
part
of
your
response-
and
I
did
note
the
telecommunications
line
from
verizon-
they
said
you
know
it
does
run
through
the
alley
and
if
they
were
to
proceed
to
be
sure
that
all
the
typical
precautions
were
taken.
B
So
you
know
when
we're
when
we're
researching
these
projects
and
we're
looking
at
whether
or
not
demolition
makes
sense
understanding
the
underground
utilities.
And
if
that's,
if
that's
attacked
in
terms
of
trying
to
show
the
hardship,
it's
always
something
for
us
that
we
would
want
to
look
to
right
if
there's
documentation,
and
I
would
suspect
that
verizon
has
something
and
that
the
city,
probably
if
there's
waste
lines
or
gas
lines,
or
you
know
that
sort
of
thing
in
the
alley
that
the
city
has
that
as
well.
J
I
think
I
was
pretty
much
going
off
of
their
responses
to
the
encroachment
they
were
all
referencing.
You
know
possible
conflict
with
their
utilities,
I'm
assuming
that
they
flagged
and
marked
where
their
utilities
were,
and
if
there
were
no
issues,
I'm
not
sure
they
would
have
mentioned
that
in
their
reports.
J
If
that's
the
case,
yes,
but
we
still
have
the
challenge
of
trying
to
shore
up
that
structure
without
it
coming
down,
so
that
there's
there
still
would
be
significant
costs
and
I
was
not
able
to
get.
You
know,
contact
a
company
that
would
be
able
to
tell
me
if
they
could
even
do
it.
I
called
a
couple
moving
companies
and
they
wouldn't
even
look
at
it.
B
And
even
if
that
were
the
case,
the
understanding
here
is
that
that
the
city
and
everyone
else
besides
tico,
would
allow
for
the
encroachment
to
stand
in
the
existing
its
existing
location,
you're,
not
talking
about
moving
the
whole
building.
In
that
case,
it's
just
shoring
up
the
first
floor.
Rebuilding
the
first
floor,
correct
and
it's.
I
D
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
I'm
kind
of
following
up
on
that
question.
You
I
see
in
your
quote
here
on
the
comparison
that
you've
got
a
line
item
here
for
the
demolition,
but
I
don't
see
here
with
this
anyway.
A
line
item
for
the
cost
of
the
dumpsters
you've
got
zero
for
that
line
item.
Is
that
a
correct
amount.
B
Any
other
questions
or
comments
all
right,
we'll
go
ahead
and
I
think
you
you
do
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
So
if
there's
anything
else,
that
you'd
like
to
add
to
the
record
in
response
to
anything.
B
G
D
D
D
D
I've
learned
with
older
structures
in
tampa
specifically
because
especially
accessory
structures
where
people
have
come
in
and
done
work
after
the
fact
that
we
have
to
be
real,
creative,
sometimes,
but
it's
it's
doable
and
and
then
I
look
at
the
quote:
difference
on
the
two
new
versus
old
and
or
the
renovation,
and
we're
talking
twenty
thousand
dollars
to
close
margin.
It's
very
very
close.
D
You
know
I'm
not
here,
to
to
look
at
each
little
line
out
of
the
fuse
when
I
agree
with
or
don't
agree
with,
or
vice
versa,
but
just
looking
at
them,
comparing
them
is
very
close
and
the
15
000
seems
to
be
the
hardship
number
that
was
used.
So
that's
again,
that's
just
my
personal
opinion.
As
of
you
know,
right
now.
B
C
My
personal
disappointment
comes
from
a
totally
different
direction
on
this.
We
have
a
very
valuable
piece
of
intact
residential
property
in
this
historic
district.
We
have
a
substantially
original
dwelling
and
we
have
a
substantially
contributing
pairing
with
its
accessory
structure.
C
C
To
begin
with
that,
for
that
small
amount
of
money,
it's
not
a
small
amount
of
money,
I
mean
it's
15
grand
for
taking
care
of
electrical
lines
and
systems.
Pale
is
really
in
comparison
with
the
rest
of
the
proposed
renovation
or
replacement
of
this
structure.
C
If
we're
quibbling
about
this,
I
would
very
much
prefer
really
instead
to
see
that
this
original
infrastructure
on
this
site
remain
and
be
and
be
rehabilitated.
B
B
Well,
I
I
concur
with
all
the
comments
made
and
if
someone
is
ready
to
make
a
motion,
we
can
put
one
forth.
I
C
F
H
H
H
H
I'll
show
you
the
current
condition,
but
this
is
the
fabric
from
1929,
and
you
see
the
setbacks
to
the
structures
to
the
porch
and
then
to
the
body
of
the
building,
and
then
the
second
design
exception
was
the
orientation
of
the
parcel
itself
that
in
using
the
sanborn
map
and
other
illustrations,
the
zoning
minister
felt
that
the
orientation
was
to
bay
street
and
not
to
the
secondary
street,
which
is
south
boulevard,
so
both
of
those
are
have
been
solidified.
H
So
the
two
design
exceptions
that
I
spoke
about
moving
to
the
sanborn
map.
Once
again,
the
property
in
question
is
in
the
green
box.
It
is
on
the
corner
of
south
boulevard
and
bay
street.
There
is
a
10
foot
alley
to
the
north
of
the
subject:
site
that
runs
east
and
west.
H
This
is
looking
from
above
you
see
the
orientation
of
the
fabric.
That's
left
behind.
It
does
face
bay
street.
This
is
the
subject
site
with
a
non-contributing
structure
that
can
be
removed
administratively.
Once
again,
you
have
the
alley
to
the
north.
You
have
south
boulevard
to
the
west
and
you
have
base
bay
street
to
the
south.
H
H
To
experience
some
of
the
of
structures
in
the
immediate
vicinity,
this
is
boulevard
in
the
foreground.
These
are
some
of
the
non-contributing
structures
that
are
just
to
the
west
of
boulevard.
H
H
The
condition
of
the
alley
in
hyde
park
standards
is
very
nice,
and
this
is
the
alley
how
it
comes
out
to
boulevard
and
just
to
share
a
couple
of
additional
shots
with
you.
This
is
looking
down
bay
street,
it
does
have
some
of
the
historic
fabric
has
the
granite.
Curb,
has
the
brick
streets
and
in
the
other
direction.
H
Once
again,
you
see
brick
street
the
granite
curbing,
and
then
you
see
how
the
parkway
here
is
very
period
appropriate
and
then
in
the
prior
shop,
how
there
was
a
little
parking
well
and
I'm
sure,
they're,
going
to
address
how
they're
going
to
resolve
those
issues.
H
At
this
time
the
agent
could
come
to
the
podium
and
address
the
board.
Thank
you
very
much.
G
If
you
could
just
please
ver
kamaria
perez
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
know
several
people
came
in
after
the
oath
was
given.
Can
you
just
confirm
on
the
record
that
you've
been
sworn
I.
F
A
All
right,
thank
you
ron.
Thank
you,
commissioners.
This
is
our
first
time
presenting
in
front
of
your
board,
and
I
thought
I'd
give
a
brief
introduction
to
myself
and
our
development
team.
I
represent
wolf
partners.
I,
together
with
my
partner,
josh
nicholson,
and
some
of
our
other
development
team,
are
here
to
present
to
you
this
project
we're
a
vertically
integrated
development
group,
meaning
we
do
the
architecture,
fabrication
and
contracting,
I'm
the
architect.
My
partner
josh
is
a
contractor
and
together
we
fabricate
off-site
and
see
these
developments
all
the
way
through.
A
So
we're
very
interested
in
you
know:
maintaining
control
over
all
the
from
the
you
know:
bigger
picture
to
orientation
on
the
site
to
the
minutia
and
the
details,
and
we
hope
that
you
find
this
consistent
with
with
the
design
guidelines.
Seeing
it's
in
a
historic
district.
We
another
thing
about
our
designs.
A
As
ron
said,
it's
on
the
corner
of
bay
and
boulevard,
currently
r01
a
single
story,
medical
office
building,
that's
vacant
and
the
future
land
use
is
rm35
and
we're
going
to
propose
seven
single-family
attached
town
homes
with
detached
parking
structures
accessed
via
the
alley,
and
it's
currently
under
review
for
s1
special
use.
A
We've
got
seven
units
with
courtyards
interstitial
between
the
main
dwelling
areas
and
the
the
vehicular
storage
areas
in
the
rear
we
are.
We
have
been
granted
the
frontage
along
bay,
but
really
working
with
staff
and
ron
and
just
as
a
what
the
urban
fabric
kind
of
wants
in
this
area
is
really
two
primary
facades.
So
we've
taken
special
care
to
make
sure
that
our
south
boulevard
facade
addresses
it
not
only
from
the
pedestrian
level
with
access
in
these
areas,
but
also
along
the
with
the
aesthetic
and
the
undulations
that
we've
proposed
along
that
western
facade.
A
We've
got
two
extra
parking
spaces
on
either
side
of
these
detached
garages.
Like
I
said
we
have
pedestrian
access
directly
along
bay,
and
then
we
have
two
access
points
along
boulevard
to
this
westernmost
unit.
A
G
A
16
foot
front
setback
off
of
bay
based
on
the
front
yard,
averaging
of
the
adjacent
structures.
We
have
a
special
street
setback
along
south
boulevard,
which
is
42
feet
from
the
center
line
of
the
60-foot
right-of-way.
So
our
westernmost
setback
is
12
feet
and
we
have
refuse
storage
in
the
garages
and
garbage
pickup
is
going
to
be
within
the
alley,
which
is
where
it
currently
is
now.
I
A
One
of
the
things
that
we
thought
was
important
is
to
break
up
the
mass
of
the
structure
as
we
established
a
similar
rhythm
and
cadence
to
the
adjacent
buildings.
While,
although
it's
a
larger
multi-family
building
surrounded
by
multiple
building
types,
we
thought
that,
having
not
only
setbacks
as
you
go
up
in
elevation
and
stepping
the
second
and
third
floor
back
further
from
the
first,
but
also
providing
different
design
aesthetics
from
unit
to
unit.
Rather
than
an
exercise
and
copy
and
paste.
A
A
A
We've
taken
cues
from
some
of
our
historical
precedents
on
the
core
bling
and
the
window
arrangements
and
eve
details
along
with
the
materiality
and
that's
the
same
view
of
those
entries,
and
this
is
looking
to
the
south
down
boulevard.
You
can
see
that
secondary
access
directly
into
the
courtyard,
with
the
facade
that
I
mentioned
previously
that
we're
trying
to
articulate
that
in
a
way
that
it
seems
like
it
could
be
a
primary
facade
and
not
just
a
forgotten
kind
of
carved
off
edge
of
a
multi-family
building.
A
Looks
better
on
my
screen:
we've
got
a
a
barrel,
tile
roof
common
to
a
lot
of
the
buildings
in
the
significant
period
in
the
1920s
in
hyde
park,
we've
got
a
textured
stucco
exterior
wall
finish
with
some
medallions.
H
A
Other
ornament
details
our
entry
door.
We
also
have
some
chevron
tiles
that
we're
gonna
place
within
portions
of
facade
and
our
entry
door
is
a
three
panel
wood
door.
A
We've
got
some
exterior
light
fixtures
selected
here
and
a
garage
door
is
going
to
be
a
clopay
oak,
finish
metal
door,
we're
proposing
fiber
cement
soffits
and
our
exterior
doors
and
windows
are
going
to
be
high
quality
metal
windows
from
cgi
sentinel
series,
and
we
also
utilize
a
particular
flashing
detail
here,
which
allows
us
to
inset
the
windows
further
from
the
face
of
the
stucco
and
the
facade
to
give
it
that
look
that
would
mimic
what
was
done
back
in
the
1920s
and
30s,
rather
than
have
it
full
flush
with
the
front
elevation.
A
A
So
we've
identified
some
precedence
within
the
historic
district
that
we
think
are
relevant
to
this
project
and
we'd
like
to
share
those
with
you.
We
have
this
one
at
212,
south
boulevard.
It's
a
good
example
of
the
kind
of
density
and
materiality
that
was
used
in
the
significant
period
back
in
the
1920s
with
the
clay,
tile,
roofs,
the
arched
windows,
the
arch
doorway
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
detailing
here
is
similar
to
what
we're
proposing
as
well.
A
611
west
horatio
is
also
a
contributing
structure.
Just
the
the
density
and
placement
on
site
is
relevant
here.
A
A
H
H
H
moving
down
the
conditions
that
were
associated
with
the
staff
report,
I'd
like
to
go
through
those
at
this
time
at
the
time
that
the
staff
report
was
generated.
The
setbacks
were
not
established,
as
I
entered
into
this
request
that
the
design
exception
has
been
approved
for
the
setbacks
they
met
and
met
the
averaging
with
the
abutting
structures
to
the
east
along
bay.
H
We
asked
for
additional
information
and
dimensional
requirements
from
the
property
line
to
show
the
the
setback
of
the
structures,
so
the
structure,
the
the
most
proud
facade
and
then
as
it
steps
back.
I
believe
the
information
is
is
in
the
packet,
but
if
he
could
illustrate
additional
information
talking
about
the
stepping
of
the
facade,
there
was
some
mention
about
the
solid
waste,
but
how
are
they
going
to
handle
the
mechanical
solution?
H
If
there's
any
fencing
or
buffering
associated
with
this
request
show
the
the
details
and
the
location
of
the
fencing
and
buffering
associated
with
multi-family
structures
that
their
the
landscaping
is
presented
at
the
public
hearing?
So
we're
gonna?
Look
at
the
species
we're
gonna,
look
at
the
location
of
the
information
that
should
be
submitted
for
a
final
approval
and
that's
to
include
hardscape
as
well.
H
Multiple
wall
sections
should
be
introduced
for
for
final
approval
as
well.
Those
should
be
presented
at
the
public
hearing
this
evening
and,
as
you
go
through
the
the
multiple
wall
sections
from
the
top,
all
the
way
to
grade
discuss
the
roof
materials,
the
overhangs
and
provide
examples
of
the
finished
wall,
materials,
the
foundation
and
any
foundation
enclosure.
H
The
final
win
selection
for
the
windows
and
how
they
operate.
There
was
some
mention
about
the
garage
doors.
H
There
was
a
a
comment
that
we
had
initially
about
breaking
up
the
accessory
structure
in
the
roof
line
as
one
contiguous
building
and
how
they
could
break
that
up
the
massing
of
the
accessory
structure
and
to
conclude
a
final
hardware
and
lighting
selection.
That
concludes
staff's
portion
and
I'll,
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
B
G
Good
evening
my
name
is
bobby
or
roberta
o'brien
quinneville.
I
live
at
702
unit
c
west
bay
street.
I
live
on
the
very
block
that
they
are
proposing.
This
I
first
would
like
to
mention.
It
might
seem
a
little
hypocritical
because
I'm
in
a
townhouse
myself,
but
one
that
is
40
years
old,
I've
lived
there
for
almost
40
years.
It
is
my
home
and
it
will
continue
to
be
my
home.
G
I
hope,
but
this
is
going
to
have
a
huge
impact
on
the
small
block
that
I
call
home,
and
I
would
like
to
first
give
deference
to
the
two
architects
on
the
board
to
mr
wolf.
I
know
that
your
jobs
are
not
easy.
I've
seen
these
kind
of
struggles,
my
husband
was
an
architect
and
I
saw
him
design
many
things
over
the
four
decades.
G
We
were
together,
but
I
come
up
here
because
I
am
truly
distressed
that
this
development
could
get
this
far
before
being
given
any
notice
that
this
is
happening
and
I'll
tell
you
what
my
distress
is
and
I'm,
unfortunately,
I
sent
an
email
to
the
developers.
I
did
not
get
a
response
last
week,
but
I'm
concerned
about
several
things.
G
The
staff
report
that
you
got
mentions
several
things
that
they
look
at
standards
and
I'll
start
with
the
scale
height
and
width.
The
height
of
this
will
be
35
plus
feet
because,
according
to
your
regulations,
you
don't
have
to
include
the
tower
for
the
mechanical
and
in
most
of
the
illustrations
I
viewed
online.
They
have
that
that's
in
addition
to
the
35
feet.
This
is
three
stories,
not
two
stories
like
all
of
the
buildings
that
they
showed
across
boulevard
or
on
that
block
are
all
two
or
single
story,
not
three
story.
G
They
also
will
not
take
up
a
complete
half
block.
This
will
disturb
the
wind
pattern,
the
light
patterns.
You
use
several
examples
as
your
historic
examples,
and
I
know
you've
got
stephanie
with
you,
I'm
a
former
reporter
I
used
to
cover
things.
I
don't
come
in
with
illusions,
and
I
first
time,
I'm
speaking,
because
I
usually
cover
these
things
and
don't
get
to
have
a
personal
opinion,
but
I
will
say
the
examples
that
you
gave
the
historic
building
at
212
south
boulevard.
That
is
two
blocks
below
kennedy.
That
was
a
commercial
near
the
commercial
end.
G
This
is
in
the
700
block
totally
different
de
soto
also
possible,
but
it's
been
there
a
while
allegro
that's
a
senior
citizen
center
that
shouldn't
have
been
allowed.
It
at
least
took
up
an
old
business
building,
but
we
have
had
flooding
on
boulevard,
which
we
never
had
before
after
that
was
allowed,
and
the
footprint
that
was
allowed
to
fill
up
also
on
her
west
horatio.
That
again
does
not
take
half
a
block
and
it
has
more
of
a
relief
of
that
attitude.
G
Every
building
is
two-story.
There's
a
lot
more
orientation
stream-wise.
I
would
suggest
you
come
walk
it.
I
know
I'm
running
over.
I
do
apologize.
Well,
you
know
what
I'd
live
there.
It's
my
home,
my
husband
died
there.
I
will
die
there
someday.
G
I
B
B
C
A
So
we
do
have
working
from
west
to
east.
We
do
have
a
a
small
18
inch.
Retaining
wall
proposed
here
with
ground
cover
to
separate
from
the
the
right-of-way
poured
concrete
pavers.
Here
we
have
since
reduced
after
recommendations
from
staff
eliminated
the
pebbles
and
we're
going
to
do
more
of
a
brick
inlay
paver
around
the
conc
board
concrete.
A
A
C
While
we're
here
there,
you
mentioned
gates,
and
of
course
you
have
some
screening-
I
see
on
your
elevations
a
a
certain,
but
I
will
assume
it's
a
metal
type
of
product
in
a
repeating
chevron.
Type
pattern
is
that
exactly
what
you're
planning
on
on
bringing
in
is
that
going
to
also
be
all
of
that
screening?
All
of
that
low
fencing.
All
of
that
gait
work.
C
A
I
can
get
you
a
rendering
we're
working
on
the
elevations.
Let's
see
here.
C
Because
the
point
is
well
brought
up,
all
my
staff
gone
through
quite
a
bit
of.
C
Effort
how
to
break
up
the
massing
of
these
town
houses
that
so
far
at
this
point
in
time,
not
so
for
the
the
garages
garage.
A
B
Sorry,
what's
the
height
of
that,
I
see
the
elevation
datum
line
above
that
note.
A
B
A
A
A
C
So,
for
that
practical
purposes,
your
parapet
height,
is
subject
to
change
within
your
building
envelope
available
to
you
to
handle
that
screening.
Yes,
within.
A
C
A
A
So,
in
order
to
achieve
this,
stepping
back
of
the
facade
we
are
fabricating
these
out
of
cold
form
steel
prefabricated
off-site,
so
that
allows
us
to
do
some
interesting
things
structurally,
that
you
won't
be
would
have
a
more
difficult
time
doing
out
of
block,
so
we're
going
to
have
a
cantilever
out
to
receive
this
slight
offset
here
from
the
main
entryway
and
then
we'll
step
back
to
this
parapet.
A
We've
got
our
barrel
tile
roof
above
here.
This
is
all
just
going
to
be
in
closed
space.
This
is
a
unique
condition
where
we
have
a
plinth
on
the.
If
you
look
at
the
plan,
there's
a
plinth
access
via
the
first
landing
of
the
stairs
going
from
two
to
three,
and
it's
meant
to
be
a
little
study
or
computer
room
above
the
front
entry.
A
E
To
follow
up
on
that,
you
said
that
there
would
be
magnolias
and
palms
a
lot
in
the
parkway.
Yes
are,
those
are,
are
magnolias
permitted
as
street
trees
by
the
city.
E
A
You
asked
I'd
have
to
defer
to
my
landscape
on
that.
But
let's
see,
if
I
misspoke
josh
do
you
know
off
hand
yeah,
so
they
are
permitted
type
ones
and
there
are
magnolias.
Excuse
me.
G
B
So
can
you
go
through
this
whole?
Your
renderings
have
a
lot
of
landscape
elements
and
they're
really
nice
renderings,
but
we
want
to
be
sure
that
what
you
exhibit
in
the
renderings
jive
with
your
plan.
So
can
we
just
walk
through
this
with
you
what
the
intent
is
and
the
the
nature
of
the
element?
You
know
if
it's
a
buffering
element,
if
it's
a
decorative,
more
decorative
element
that
sort
of
thing
and
then
what
it
brings
to
the
project
in
terms
of
any
historic
reference
or
anything
like
that
or
the
urban
quality.
I
K
A
So
we
do
have
some
specific
buffering
species
here
along
the
west
to
shield
from
this
parking
space
to
the
right-of-way.
B
I
A
There
is
not
it's
majority
surface
parking,
I
believe,
on
our
demo
plan,
not
sure
if
it
made
it
into
this
presentation.
None
of
those
species
are
protected
in
order
they
need
relocating,
they
just
count
towards
our
tree
table
and
then
the
existing
building.
We
are
doing
planning
on
demoing
and
there's
going
to
be.
I
think
it's
asbestos
mitigation
and
that's
it.
A
The
our
pro
bowl
will
be
double
hung,
we
don't,
we
may
use
casement,
but
the
ground
floor
would
be
fixed
and
then
egress
would
be
double
hung
with
the
same
style.
A
They're
dual
pane
glowy
insulated.
A
We
do
have
I
rendered
the
we've
not
chosen
door.
Hardware
I
did
render
the
this
is
a
hinckley
lighting
product
that
is
rendered
and
modeled
to
scale
in
accurately
the
doors.
The
garage
doors
I
just
say,
are
rendered
accurately.
A
This
is
an
example
of
that
cgi.
With
the
same
on
a
project
I
used
previously.
This
is
that
cgi
window
with
the
muntins
and
then
also
that
vinyl
extrusion
flashing
that
allows
us
to
inset
it
further
into
the
wall.
So
you
get
that
shadow
line
that
you
see
here.
Can
you
give
that
dimension?
Do
you
know
it
it's
between
two
inches
and
two
and
a
half
inches.
C
I
have
a
general
question:
more
of
a
curiosity,
respecting
your
precedence
for
design,
basically
from
other
existing
structures,
new
and
old,
within
the
confines
and
nearby
areas
of
hyde
park.
C
A
B
So
I'd
like
to
go
through
the
rest
of
the
bullet
list,
just
so
we
cover
all
those
and
then,
if
we
have
other
questions,
we
talked
about
the
orientation
of
the
parcel
and
the
front
yard
average.
Can
you
just
go
from
the
the
site
plan?
Probably,
is
the
more
appropriate
the
dimensions
to
the
facades
as
the
building
steps
back
and
both
from
bay
and
from
boulevard.
A
A
Let
me
let
me
first
point
to
this
exercise
where
we
we
took
measurements
to
the
building
envelope
to
the
porch
projection
into
the
nearest
projection
for
each
of
the
adjacent
structures
along
bay
and
averaging
to
the
building
envelope,
these
red
dots.
We
come
to
a
15.75
foot
setback,
so
we've
set
ours
at
16
to
the
building
envelope.
A
A
We
have
not
to
mention
that,
but
we
never
get
closer
than
10
feet
to
the
property
line,
which
is
also
where
the
existing
building
sets,
and
there
are
some
projections
with
porches
and
stairways
if
you
work
eastward
down
bay,
so
our
buffer
between
on
the
ground
level
is
between
10
and
or
11
and
16.
Now,
so
we
step
back
and
then
we
go
further
as
we
go
up.
The
facade.
A
B
B
A
We
we
are
after
recommendations
from
staff
rather
than
the
ground
pebbles
ground
pebbles
is
the
covering
we
are
considering
doing
the
poured
concrete
pavers
with
brick
perimeters.
I
B
A
A
B
B
In
the
garage
doors,
I
only
had
one
question
myself:
you
said
that
the
renderings
are
exactly
what
what
you
were
intending
at
this
time.
That
includes
the
lights
that
they,
okay,
all
right,.
B
A
It's
a
turn
down:
slab,
okay,
we're
our
site
slopes
slightly
to
the
east,
but
the
finished
floor
above
grade
is
going
to
be
set
at
around
24
inches.
I
E
A
F
C
F
F
F
F
A
F
Sure
how
you
can
move
on
anything
final
without
garage
elevations,
there
was
a
reference
to
these
being
schematic
drawings
or
there
being
details
that
haven't
been
determined.
Yet
this
is
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
process
you're
supposed
to
have
those
details
for
your
consideration
this
evening,
so
that
presents
you
know
some
discussion
that
needs
to
happen
on
your
ability
to
move
this
application
forward.
B
All
right,
then,
you
have
five
minutes
for
a
while.
Okay.
A
Well,
I
think
that
it's
important
to
consider
the
what's
existing
on
this
site
as
we
consider
a
new
development.
Currently,
it's
a
non-contributing
medical
office
building,
that's
majority
surface
park.
It
has
31
parking
spaces
on
it.
It's
almost
complete
black
coverage
in
terms
of
impervious.
A
A
So
storm
water,
in
my
opinion,
is
not
an
issue.
It
will
be.
The
stormwater
management
on
site
will
be
improved
with
this
development
compared
to
concerns
of
flooding
on
boulevard,
and
I
think
that
a
multi-family
multi-parcel
is
in
keeping
with
the
historic
precedent,
especially
along
bay,
considering
that
mr
bryan's
building
is
also
a
multi-family
structure
that
composes
more
than
one
parcel
accessed
via
alley
off
of
a
garage.
A
I
B
So
I
do
agree
that
the
project
is
moving
in
the
right
direction
and
I
do
think
it's
an
improvement
to
what
is
currently
existing
on
the
on
the
property,
and
certainly
there
will
be
more
previous
area.
B
I
do
think,
though,
coming
here
tonight
and
not
giving
us
enough
information
for
us
to
move
forward
with
a
discussion
regarding
the
garage,
the
accessory
structure,
even
though
those
are
secondary,
they
can
be
so
tangible
and
especially
in
a
historic
district
and
you're
on
a
corner
lot,
and
so
the
way
that
one
views
that-
and
the
hope
is
that
this
becomes
a
more
walkable
portion
of
hyde
park.
I
mean
this
definitely
can
be
a
desert.
B
I've
been
here
after
hours
and
on
weekends,
when
my
kids
used
to
go
to
the
tuesday
morning
musical,
so
I
know
how
dead
it
can
be,
but
in
the
future
you
know
with
the
correct
development
and
the
correct
elements
in
place.
This
could
be
more
walkable
and
enjoyable,
so
accessory
structures
become
ever
more
important
in
terms
of
their
relationship
to
the
overall
project.
B
So
so
that,
for
me,
is
a
sticking
point,
I
think
there
isn't
enough
information
there
and
I
would
certainly
say
straight
off
from
what
I
saw
in
the
rendering
that
was
produced
that
you
just
aren't
there
yet,
and
I
couldn't
I
couldn't
honestly.
You
know
say
that
that
we
have
enough
information
to
move
forward
tonight.
B
You
know
the
buildings
that
actually
front
along
the
street
of
bay
and
boulevard
with
your
project,
not
something
that's
blocks
away,
and
I
understand
we
ask
for
precedent
and
we
often
get
it
from
the
south
extreme
of
the
district
when
we're
in
the
northern
part,
just
just
being
mindful
of
that
as
well
and
then
in
terms
of
landscaping.
B
I
honestly,
I
know
what
projects
look
like
when
they
first
go
in
and
they're
going
to
look
skeletal
for
years
before
they
fill
in
all
the
way.
Maybe
in
two
years
you'll
get
some
nice
bushes,
but
the
trees
that
takes
a
little
while
to
fill
in
and
honestly
there
are.
There
are
definitely
properties
within
the
district
and
other
districts
that
have
just
gorgeous
landscape
and
gardens.
That
really
add
to
the
ambiance
of
the
neighborhoods.
B
B
I
think
you
know
here
we
are
in
the
gorgeous
part
of
the
year
the
year,
the
part
that
we
love
being
in
florida,
opening
my
windows
as
soon
as
it
said
you
know
I
could
I
I
could
have
dry
air,
so
man,
I
I
feel
for
those
people
that
they
will
open
the
windows
so
and
especially
being
that
close
to
bay
shore
you're,
going
to
get
these
beautiful
breezes.
D
C
C
Example:
your
roof
setbacks.
You've
got
the
brackets.
You've
got
your
pergolas.
You
have
a
whole
host
of
different
things,
your
incense
with
maybe
tile
work.
If
I
recall,
I
actually
saw
something
that
looked
like
it
had
at
one
point
in
time
or
does
have
at
this
point
some
metal
grillage
involved
with
it
for
because
of
the
intensive
nature
of
the
detailing
that
makes
the
fuel
the
ins
and
outs
and
the
consistency
of
these
seven
dwellings
supposedly
fit
here.
C
C
If
this
were
just
like
a
onesie
or
two
z
center,
we
would
normally
say:
okay,
we
can
coordinate
with
staff
on
this,
but
we're
looking
at
a
whole
package
here
and
I
think
that's
a
missed
opportunity
and
part
of
the
things
that
we
would
be
looking
at
for
the
consistency
of
what
your
statement
is.
You
know
the
building
is
of
a
neo-colonial
spanish
revival
and
we
need
to
make
that
fit,
even
though
we're
probably
pushing
the
representation
of
this
project
a
little
bit
past
schematic
design.
E
I
always
have
a
great
deal
of
difficulty
with
these
with
row
houses
because
you
are
all
you,
you
are
architecturally
pulled
in
two
directions:
one
you're
making
a
long
building
and
you're
also
making
seven
units.
E
E
I
also
believe
that,
while
you
have
attempted
to
address
that
corner
of
boulevard-
and
what
is
it
it's
not
you
have,
you
can
do
a
lot
more
there,
because
that
unit,
you
know
both
of
the
end
units
can
be
a
little
more
special
than
they
are
right
now
and
that
helps,
I
think,
the
whole
building
address
the
site
more
effectively
and
you
have
two
different
kinds
of
entry
conditions.
One
one
you
call
eloja
and
the
other
is
a
this-
is
across
the
bay
side.
B
E
E
Okay,
yeah
we're
actually
supposed
to
be
back
here.
Let
me
reorient
myself
so
that
I'm
not,
but
in
order
for
us
to
approve
this,
I
feel
like
it
needs,
because
we're
looking
for
pedestrian
friendly.
E
We
are
always
looking
it's
a
major
part
of
the
design
guidelines
that
we
should
have
porches
and
sometimes-
and
I
don't
feel
that
this-
that
this
series
of
seven
town
houses
has
sufficient
outdoor
space
along
bay,
and
I
think
that
that
will
be
very
helpful
in
you
know
in
in
addressing
the
building,
then
in
making
this
set
of
townhouses
feel
like
they
belong
in
this.
E
And
with
all
the
ceilings,
and
that
you
know
the
things
that
we
are
always
looking
for,
which
are
still
not
there.
C
You
know
in
a
different
world
different
places
in
the
united
states,
philadelphia
dc
baltimore.
You
know
very
simple:
townhouses,
basically
a
blocked
limit,
but
they
all
have
that
little
piece
of
front
yard
and
they
all
have
that
porch.
So
I
can
understand
where
you're
coming
from
for
something
like
that.
G
A
Yeah,
I
think
you
guys
have
addressed
a
few
things
that
we
need
to
provide
more
detail
on,
and
I
think
also
the
comments
that
we
just
heard
with
the
porch
ideas
in
the
front
yards
is
something
we
need
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
on
and
come
to
you
with
a
complete
project
that
we
can
have
a
better
discussion
about.
So
we'd
like
to
ask
for
a
continuance
on
this.
B
H
Good
evening,
commissioner
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation
moving
to
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
arc
21
dash
425.
This
is
for
the
address
of
1820
west
richardson
place.
This
is
in
the
hyde
park,
historic
district,
the
zoning
classification
tied
to
this
parcel
is
rs
60..
H
H
H
If
you
look
at
the
parcel,
there's
two
structures
that
were
here
in
1920
excuse
me:
yeah
1926.:
this
structure
has
been
removed
and
they
have
a
generous
side
yard
to
the
I'm
going
to
call
it
the
east,
as
we
continue
with
the
photo
presentation.
This
is
from
above,
as
I
indicated
that
that
second
structure
on
the
site
was
removed.
Now
it
is
where
the
pool
is,
and
then
you
have
this
generous
side
yard
to
the
east
of
the
property.
H
H
Looking
straight
on,
you
see
the
yard.
That's
to
the
left
of
this
picture.
You
see
the
columns
and
fencing
that's
associated
with
the
encompass
of
the
parcel
behind
the
fencing.
There
was
a
structure
that
was
started,
but
it's
halted
and
they're
here
in
front
of
you
to
ask
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
H
F
Madam
chair,
before
we
start,
could
we
go
ahead
and
administer
another
swearing
so
that
we
could
move
the
hearing
along?
Please.
L
L
L
L
Here's
the
site
plan:
it
shows
that
the
front
setback
of
the
contributing
structure
is
17
feet
at
six
inches
and
the
garden
structure
on
the
north
side
is
56
feet
and
six
inches,
and
that
structure
is
a
pergola.
I
mean
an
arbor.
The
rear
setback
is
20
feet.
Actually
I
learned
during
the
process
that
albany
is
actually
the
front
property
line,
so
the
rear
property
line
is
the
east
property
line,
20
foot
setback
and
that
arbor
is
also
20
feet.
L
L
There
are
two
foot
high
by
two
foot
wide
by
ten
foot:
long
white
wood,
planters
on
the
north
and
south
end
of
the
garden
and
on
the
east
and
west
side.
Those
planters
are
two
foot
high,
two
foot
wide
and
14
feet.
Long
inside
the
garden
area
are
two
foot
height
by
four
foot
wide
by
eight
foot:
long
white,
wood
planters,
so
they're
all
the
same
height.
Those
aren't
subject
to
setback
issues.
What
is
subject
to
the
setback
is
the
arbor
and
the
pergola,
not
setback
but
structures.
L
L
L
L
The
fence,
the
metal
fence
with
the
brick
columns
will
be
covered
with
blue
sky
vines
right
now.
There
isn't
anything
growing
on
that,
but
the
owner
wishes
to
have
flowering
vines
along
the
fence
and
then
inside
the
fence
will
be
southern
magnolias
and
several
fruit
trees,
with
the
intent
of
having
a
complete
and
opaque
vegetative
buffer
along
the
street
and
the
sidewalk,
so
that
there's
privacy
in
that
yard.
L
L
L
And
finally,
this
is
a
picture
of
one
of
the
planters.
It's
unfinished.
It's
not
painted
we're
waiting
for
approval
to
move
forward
and
do
a
final
layout.
The
elements
that
are
in
the
yard
now
were
placed
there
just
to
work
on
a
garden
layout.
It
was
merely
an
exercise
and
seeing
what
what
worked
for
the
client
and
I
was
brought
on
board
to
finalize
the
details
so
that
she
could
receive
a
certificate
of
appro
appropriateness.
L
In
summary,
I
think
that
you
know
we're
far
set
back
from
the
front
of
the
front
of
the
existing
house,
and
so
the
impact
on
this
lot
is
minimal
compared
with
what
the
owner
could
put
there.
If
she
sold
the
lot
and
had
a
house
built
right
next
to
her,
it
could
be
pretty
massive.
H
Good
evening,
commissioners
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation
in
your
packet.
You
have
19
letters
of
support,
want
to
enter
that
into
the
record
and
just
reading
from
the
secretary
interior
standards
on
page
68,
a
small
paragraph
deals
with
the
landscaping
surrounding
historic
buildings
and
contained
within
individual
parcels
of
land
is
considered
the
building
site.
The
site,
including
its
associated
features,
contributes
to
the
overall
character
of
the
historic
property.
H
H
There
was
a
lot
of
landscaping
showed
this
evening
associated
with
the
request,
as
you
pair
down
the
request
to
the
structures
themselves,
this
board
does
not
have
purview
over
the
landscaping
for
single
family
residential
projects.
This
is
zoned
rs
60
and
it
is
a
residential
use.
So
the
landscaping,
although
it
was
shown,
is
not
something
that
you
will
comment
on.
Stay
focused
on
the
structures
themselves,
as
you
move
forward.
Thank
you
and
I'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
B
Thank
you
ron,
we'll
open
up
the
this
portion
of
the
hearing
to
public
comment.
If
there's
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
for
or
against
the
project,
you
may
come
up
at
this
time.
K
Hey
elizabeth
johnson,
1819
richardson
place
and
that's
right
across
the
street
and
first
of
all
I
want
to
say
I
think
that
kathy
has
really
worked
hard
on
this,
we're
all
neighbors
and
miss
hartley.
I
believe
her
name
is,
has
put
in
a
lot
of
effort,
as
has
kathy
and
kathy
is
an
artist
and
a
very
important
part
of
our
neighborhood.
So
these
are
all
really
wonderful
things.
K
Our
concern-
and
I
probably
should
have
said
this
before-
but
if
I
go
a
little
bit
over
my
neighbor,
if
I
can
take
her
minute,
but
I
don't
think
I'm
gonna
need
to
go
over
our
our
concerns
are
three-fold.
K
First
of
all,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understands
in
the
city
that
this
isn't
the
end.
You
all
have
jurisdiction
for
the
design
elements
of
this,
and
the
reason
why
we're
here
is
because
initially
they
did
not
notice
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
now
they
have
and
they're
trying
to
catch
up,
and
that's
good,
there's
also
a
permitting
lane
that
still
has
to
happen.
K
The
structure,
I
think,
is
864
square
feet,
so
there
are
issues
for
tying
and
permitting,
but
I
understand
from
talking
to
a
lot
of
city
people
that
what
happens
is
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
comes?
First
then,
following
that
you
have
those
other
issues
that
may
relate
to
building
and
hurricane
tying.
K
You
know
we
all
try
to
be
courteous,
pulling
out
and
everything,
but
the
last
remaining
thing
I
want
to
say
so
we
have
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
issue
we
have
the
later
permitting
and
we
have
a
community
garden
concern,
and
it
was
stated
here
that
a
lot
of
neighbors
are
in
support
of
a
vegetable
garden.
K
She
has
said
this
is
a
residential
use.
Obviously,
if
she
wants
to
have
people
over
to
plant
or
have
a
glass
of
wine
or
something
like
that,
that's
fine,
but
other
people
bringing
dirt
in
which
was
conveyed
at
some
point.
This
has
been
kind
of
a
five-month
process
would
not
be
what
we
wanted
to
see.
May
I
take
sherry's
minute
if
she's
at
18.
K
Okay,
well
I'll
I'll
conclude
by
saying
this
certificate
of
appropriateness.
The
most
important
thing
is
is
what
they
plan
they
presented,
what
they're
actually
going
to
do,
because
it's
been
many
months
of
a
different
idea.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
B
I
Hi
I'm
gregory
morgan.
I
live
in
1815
west
richardson,
place
sort
of
diagonally
from
kathy's
house.
My
official
word
that
I
sent
you
is:
we
live
across
the
street
three
houses
down
from
the
subject
property
and
have
lived
in
our
house
for
over
15
years.
We
believe
that
the
proposed
improvements
are
very
appropriate
to
the
historic
characteristics
of
the
house
on
the
subject:
property
as
well
as
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
The
proposed
improvements
will
enhance
the
streetscape
and
further
beautify
our
street
further.
I
I
That's
the
official
thing
and
that's
what
I
sent
you
otherwise
kathy
is
awesome,
she's
incredible
in
the
neighborhood
she's
the
place
where
people
go
for
holiday
celebrations
or
whatever,
and
it's
just
such
a
to
me.
It's
such
a
simple
structure
from
what
I've
seen
and
it
was
I
mean
it-
does
have
to
go
through
the
process,
and
I
love
that
you
guys
are
here,
but
man.
I
hope
I
hope
it
goes
through
because
it's
it'll
be
an
incredible
improvement
to
our
neighborhood.
I
Good
evening
joseph
1409,
south
albany
avenue.
I
S
and
sam
e,
I
v,
as
in
victor
o
l
d
now
in
our
second
decade
on
1409
kitty
corner
to
kathy,
can
see
her
house
and
the
yard
from
our
front
yard.
I
submitted
a
letter
and
I
believe
it
may
have
been
after
the
deadline.
I
apologize,
so
I
thought
I'd
read
it
now.
I
write
in
support
of
kathy
durden's
quest
to
improve
both
her
home
and
our
neighborhood
through
the
construction
of
a
beautifully
designed
garden
space
kathy.
I
A
close
neighbor
and
generous
friend
aspires
to
transform
her
pedestrian
grass
lot
into
something
extraordinary
and
with
this
plan
that
vision
comes
to
life,
ms
durden
is
a
generous
community
member,
a
passionate
champion
of
hyde
park
and
tireless
volunteer
in
support
of
this
neighborhood.
Her
eye
for
beauty
is
widely
acknowledged
and
her
garden
will
mirror
her
taste
and
sensibility
from
my
front
porch.
I
can
see
what
has
been
installed
so
far
and
I
am
inspired.
I
I'm
excited
for
the
project
to
be
completed
in
an
era
where
man
is
ever
more
disconnected
from
the
earth
kathy
desires,
nothing
more
than
to
organically
grow
vegetables,
herbs
and
flowers.
What
an
impressive
example!
She
will
set
for
all
in
this
way
and
I'll
just
add
that
I
believe
that
what
should
be
considered
tonight
is
only
what
was
a
volunteered
by
kathy's
agent,
not
anything
that
may
have
been
discussed
before.
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
B
B
I
have
none
either.
Thank
you
so
seeing
no
more
questions
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
portion
of
the
hearing
and.
L
Well,
I'd
like
to
say
that
kathy
has
been
very
diligent,
diligent
about
making
sure
that
she
does
everything
the
right
way:
certificate
of
appropriateness,
we've
gone
through
pre-hearing,
this
hyde
park,
design,
review
meeting
and
I've
talked
to
people
in
the
building
department
about
what's
next,
so
I
have
an
understanding
of
what
is
needed
and
certainly
donnelly
bailey.
The
contractor
does
as
well
so
he's
aware
of
the
next
steps
in
order
to
get
a
permit
permit
all
of
the
structures.
L
We
also
are
aware
that
they
have
to
have
a
hurricane
rating,
so
the
footers
have
to
be
signed
and
sealed
by
a
structural
engineer
which
mr
bailey
has
is
aware
of,
and
has
somebody
that
will
review
our
footer
detail
and
do
that
for
the
permit.
So
we
are
going
by
all
the
rules
and
regulations,
and
I
certainly
hope
that
the
rest
of
you
feel
the
same
way.
So
thank.
B
C
I
know
exactly
how
we
got
here.
It's
a
little
trap,
a
lot
of
people,
you
know
fall
into
with
the
miscellaneous
structures
they
plan
to
have
for
their
homes.
C
C
My
only
comment
is:
there's
a
certain
open
laciness
to
the
proposal
of
the
constructions
proposed
for
this
garden
area,
and
I
find
those
to
be
quite
sympathetic
in
many
ways
to
certain
characteristics
of
the
existing
house,
particularly
pork,
or
share
its
detailing
the
detailing
for
the
front
entrance
fence
work
that
we
see
on
portions
of
the
site.
Oh,
I
think
it's
a
good
fit.
B
E
E
I
E
Yes,
move
to
grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
hearing
in
arc
21-425
for
the
property
located
at
1820
west
richardson
plates
because
based
upon
the
finding,
in
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park,
design,
hyde
park,
historic
district
design,
guidelines
of
the
city
of
tampa
for
the
following
reasons.
B
H
Thank
you
that
is
arc
21-491
for
the
address
of
821
south
oregon
avenue.
It
is
in
the
hyde
park,
historic
district.
The
primary
structure
dates
back
to
1916,
as
well
as
the
accessory
structure.
The
zoning
is
rs-60.
H
This
request
has
two
phases:
the
the
first
phase
is
for
demolition
of
a
contributing
accessory
structure.
I
had
spoken
to
the
agent
and
we're
going
to
focus
on
the
demolition.
First,
they'll
have
30
minutes
to
do
their
presentation.
H
H
H
H
H
This
is
just
a
tighter
shot.
Looking
from
within
the
visor,
this
is
the
interior
elevation.
This
is
the
rear
yard.
This
is
the
alley
over
here.
H
M
Good
evening,
members
of
the
board
steve
michellini,
representing
blake
casper,
on
this
request.
First
for
the
demolition-
and
I
and
I
have
been
sworn
going
through
the
different
the
criteria
regarding
demolition.
Were
there
alternatives
discussed
regarding
the
relocation
as
planned?
Is
it
is
it
possible-
and
we
have
an
engineer's
report-
that's
included
in
your
package,
which
indicates
basically
that
the
structure
is
so
unstable
that
it
could
not
be
reasonably
relocated
or
restored.
M
A
grand
tree,
which
is
just
a
few
feet
to
the
north
of
the
existing
structure.
There
is
no
foundation
for
this
accessory
structure.
It
is
simply
the
the
side
walls
are
set
on
on
a
stack
of
bricks.
The
only
concrete
that
we
could
find-
and
that
was
including
after
excavation,
was
that
there
was
some
poured
concrete
for
the
ribbon
drive,
which
is
inside
the
structure
itself.
M
If
you
look
at
this
overhead
again
this
this
limb
extends
out
over
the
existing
garage
and
it
it
goes
away
into
the
into
the
existing
site.
So
we
have
some
some
severe
site
constraints
with
respect
to
the
rehabilitation
of
this
structure,
there's
also,
as
noted,
there's
an
engineer's
report
that
indicates
that
it
is
significantly
compromised
by
termite
damage,
wood
rot
and
the
fact
that
there
is
no
traditional
foundation
for
this
structure.
M
It's
200
square
feet
and
it's
listed
on
the
property
appraiser's
office
is
a
value
of
about
seventeen
hundred
dollars,
the
property
itself
and
I'll
go
into
the
details
regarding
the
cost
benefit
value
later
on,
but
the
property
was
purchased
for
1.2
million
dollars.
So
that
means
that
this
structure
is
valued
at
less
than
one
percent
of
the
total
value
of
the
structures
on
the
property.
M
The
the
the
bigger
plan
that
you
have
is
for
the
actual
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
for
the
renovations
and
the
addition
of
a
new
accessory
structure.
M
Could
it
be
retained
on
site?
The
answer
is:
no,
it
cannot
be
retained
on
site.
You
can't
relocate
it,
it
would
collapse.
The
interior
structures
are
in
such
poor
condition.
They
would
not
support
that.
There
is
some
tilting
of
the
structure
itself
and
the
remaining
of
the
structure
is
is
fairly
compromised.
The
demolition
costs
is
it
justified?
Is
there
an
economic
hardship?
M
The
demolition
costs
alone
are
estimated
at
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
five
hundred
and
sixty
two
dollars
and
you're
thinking.
Wow.
That's
awfully
high.
Well,
it's
high,
because
the
existing
grand
tree
dictates
that
you
cannot
get
equipment
in
there
to
do
it.
It
has
to
be
all
hand
done
and
hand
excavated
and
removed,
and
so
your
labor
costs
are
extremely
high.
There
is
an
estimate,
a
detailed
estimate
included
in
the
package.
M
Additional
criteria
on
applications
of
a
certificate
of
appropriate
is
to
relocate
when
the
applicant
wishes
to
relocate.
There
is
no
possibility
of
relocating.
You
could
not
get
a
piece
of
equipment
in
there
to
try
to
lift
it.
The
foundation,
as
I
said,
doesn't
exist
the
the
columns
for
the
existing
building
rest
on
us
on
stacks
of
bricks,
the
contributing
building
or
structure
in
its
present
setting.
If
repairs
are
feasible,
there
are
no
feasible
mains
of
repairing
this
building.
It
would
have
to
be
torn
down
and
replaced
exactly
in
the
same
spot.
M
You
could
not
put
a
foundation
in
there
because
of
the
roof
root
spread
and
the
health
of
the
tree.
That's
immediately
adjacent
to
it
to
the
north.
Our
arborist
has
evaluated
the
tree
and
is
determined
that
the
condition
of
the
tree
in
in
a
arborous
sense
is
a
b
class
six,
which
means
it
is
a
very
healthy
tree.
M
The
removal
of
this
structure
will
add
additional
light
and
air
to
the
tree
and
allow
it
to
probably
improve
to
a
higher
classification,
and
we
have
some
pictures
to
show
you
in
a
minute
the
contribution
of
the
building
of
the
structure
in
its
present
setting
based
upon
the
value
of
the
property
appraiser's
office,
as
well
as
the
the
usability
of
this
structure.
M
It
contributes
very
little
to
the
building
and
our
plans
are,
although
this
is
not
related
directly
to
the
demolition,
it
is
related
to
the
restoration
that
will
be
contained
entirely
and
and
remodeled
rebuilt
in
its
existing
shape
and
form
size
using
the
existing
same
the
same
type
of
materials,
all
wood
throughout,
so
that
we
will
be
mimicking
and
repairing
the
existing
structure.
As
it
sits
in
place,
the
define
the
plans
can
we
remove
the
structure?
M
Yes,
we
can
remove
it,
given
the
approval
of
this
board
and
the
new
construction
can
begin
as
soon
as
30
days
after
the
removal
and
the
30
days
includes
the
removal
of
the
building.
So
we
need
time
for
permitting,
and
things
like
that,
but
but
the
demolition
could
be
occur
could
occur
and
be
completed
within
30
days.
M
We
examine
the
possibility
of
of
trying
to
relocate
the
building
and,
as
I
said
to
you,
that's
and
that's,
b
under
section
two
of
your
demolition
criteria,
the
structure
is
not
stable
enough.
You
would
have
to
build
a
foundation
underneath
the
existing
structure
in
order
to
lift
it
and
then
relocating.
It
would
be
compromised
by
the
tree
tree
roots
and
the
overhanging
limb
that
I
showed
you
a
picture
of
the
compatibility
of
the
building
structure
that
proposed
is
adjacent
to
the
property.
M
That's
d,
the
size
and
pattern
of
this
is
typical
for
a
smaller
1916
garage
that
was
built.
It
was
no
longer
compatible,
no
longer
feasible
to
be
used.
M
I
also
told
you
about
the
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
for
the
removal
and
the
and
the
demolition.
Quite
honestly,
I
I
question
that
number
two,
because
it's
a
high
number,
but
when
I
was
told-
and
it
was
explained
basically
that
you
have
to
remove
everything
by
hand-
then
it
becomes
a
little
more
understandable.
M
There
is
a
report
in
there
from
a
licensed
engineer
that
that
shows
on
your
page.
That's
on
page
two
of
your
of
your
folder
and
the
garage
structure
sustains
substantial.
Has
it
sustained
substantial
damage?
The
structure
is
substantial,
is
substantially
damaged
by
the
existing
siding,
which
is
only
partially
there,
as
well
as
the
lateral
load
and
shear
element
of
the
of
the
lateral
load,
especially
has
been
reduced
by
more
than
33
percent.
M
The
existing
building
code
in
order
to
bring
this
up
to
code
would
be
virtually
impossible
without
rebuilding
the
entire
structure,
making
it
not
feasible
and
the
fact
that
you
can't
build
a
new
foundation
in
this
area
by
because
of
the
20-foot
protective
radius
and
then
the
root
system.
That's
underneath
there
that's
already
compromising
the
the
concrete
pads
for
the
for
the
for
the
driveway
would
make
it
unfeasible.
M
Work
is
classified
as
substantial
and
would
follow
as
existing
building
code
section
406
work
is
classified
as
non-compliant
required
required
structure
the
damage
the
structure
was
caused
by
the
termite
damage
and
moisture
intrusion
and
wind
loadings,
and
I'm
sure
that
we
have
some
contributing
issues.
The
troop
because
of
the
tree
and
the
tree
limbs
that
have
fallen
on
this
over
time.
M
This
would
require
all
the
existing
walls
to
be
rebuilt,
entire
new
foundations
and
slab
strapping
of
the
windows
to
be
added
throughout
new
windows.
New
doors
would
need
to
be
installed.
The
existing
roof
framing
would
need
to
be
retrofitted
to
satisfy
the
material
load
for
wind
loading
requirements.
M
M
The
the
letters
are
also
included
in
here
from
the
arborist
which
indicate
the
protective
radius,
as
well
as
the
overhanging
limb
that
protrudes
from
north
to
south,
and
it
takes
up
approximately
40
somewhere
between
35
and
40
percent
of
the
rear
yard,
and
I'm
going
to
get
into
that
as
well.
But
regarding
why
we're
requesting
that
the
new
accessory
structure
be
placed
further
to
the
south.
M
M
M
M
Just
going
through
the
remainder
of
the
criteria,
relocating
of
this
structure
to
the
location
on
the
site
would
have
to
be
completely
rebuilt.
As
I
said
earlier,
and
do
the
size
of
the
building
that's
200
square
feet.
It
would
not
be
provide
any
relevant
value
to
this
owner
or
to
the
property
in
general.
M
The
applicant
has
the
ability
to
to
propose
new
construction
within
a
reasonable
period
of
time.
We,
yes
we're
prepared
to
have
the
demolition
completed
within
a
month,
which
was
the
30
days.
I
referenced
and
start
a
new
cottage
house
immediately
once
we
have
received
permits,
unfortunately,
permitting
takes
a
little
while
now,
but
the
demolition
could
occur
very
quickly.
M
Is
the
demolition
justified
it
with
respect
to
economic
hardship
and
the
current
location
size
and
the
condition
of
the
garage
has
no
value,
and
it
is
functionally
obsolete
the
economic
criteria?
This
is
not
an
income
producing
property
you
have
on
here.
This
is
the
detail
that
I
was
referring
to
regarding
the
demolition
and,
if
you
look
at.
M
This
is
the
the
engineers
report,
which
is
the
the
conclusions
that
were
based
upon
their
analysis,
there's
a
a
much
more
detailed
report
that
was
submitted
and
supplied
to
you
online.
That
goes
into
the
details
regarding
the
structural
integrity
of
the
entire
property.
M
However,
this
specific
letter
was
addressed
only
to
the
garage
and,
if
you
look
down
at
this,
the
highlighted
section,
the
damage
the
structure
was
not
caused
was
caused
by
termite
damage,
moisture
and
any
substantial
improvements
to
this
would
have
to
go
through
permitting.
There
would
be
no
construction
that
wouldn't
would
have
to
comply
with
all
of
the
current
codes,
and
this
would
be
the
entire,
the
entire
existing
exterior
portions
of
the
building
entire
new
foundations
and
including
all
the
hurricane
standards
which
would
require
strapping,
as
well
as
the
wind
loads
for
the
windows.
M
M
Going
into
the
economics
the
market
value
of
the
property,
both
in
its
current
condition
and
the
completion
of
the
demolition
it
would,
the
demolition
would
have
negligible
effect
upon
the
value
of
the
property.
M
The
appraisal
that
we
had
a
current
value
of
of
the
attack
with
the
detached
structure
is
a
million
two
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
four
hundred
forty
four
forty
four
hundred
forty
dollars
and
the
estimated
value
without
is
one
million
two
hundred
and
seventy
two
thousand
two
hundred
and
forty
dollars.
It's
negligible.
M
The
property
was
purchased,
as
I
said
in
in
may,
of
2021
1
million
250
000.
There
is
no
relationship
and
has
not
been
a
relationship
between
the
seller
and
the
buyer
plate
casper.
The
rest
of
the
questions
regarding
income
producing
is
not
relevant.
M
M
We're
dealing
with
severe
structural
and
sight
constraints
because
of
this,
this
limb
that
extends
almost
30
feet
into
the
site
and
the
grand
tree
that
is
immediately
adjacent
to
the
existing
structure.
It's
damaged,
what
what
foundation
might
have
been
there,
but
we
again
we
can
find
no
traditional
foundation.
B
Thank
you,
sir.
We'll
have
staff
present
the
report
good
evening.
H
Commissioners
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation.
There
is
one
letter
that
came
in
late
this
afternoon.
That's
in
your
packet,
it
does
address
the
demolition
and
the
new
construction,
so
I
thought
it
would
be
pertinent
to
include
it.
At
this
time,
staff
received
and
reviewed
this
application
for
demolition
to
chapter
27,
116,
f1-3
and
staff
deems
that
it
is
complete.
H
We
asked
for
their
team
to
have
their
professionals
come
to
the
public
hearing
this
evening.
In
case
the
board
had
any
specific
questions
to
any
of
the
people
that
submitted
any
of
the
items
into
the
record,
and
at
this
time
I
would
advise
the
board
just
to
focus
on
the
demolition
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
B
B
We
will
ask
questions.
I
would
like
to
ask
if
the
structural
engineer
is
here
if
he
could
hear
she
could
come
forward.
Thank
you.
Could
you
speak
more
to
them?
He
hasn't
been
scoring.
Oh,
you
haven't.
I'm
sorry.
If
there's
anybody
else
who
came
in
late
and
hasn't
been
sworn
in,
could
you
please
rise
now
and.
B
So
if
you
could,
please
discuss
what
it
would
take
in
terms
of
foundations
to
deal
with
the
roots
that
are
present
from
the
tree.
The
neighboring
tree,
if
you
were
asked
to
proceed
with
a
design
that
would
include
rehabilitating
the
existing
structure,
and
I
just
want
you
to
walk
through
that.
B
G
Sure,
as
far
as
the
foundation.
B
F
G
The
way
it
spans
out
you'd
have
to
span
quite
distance.
This
bigger
the
span,
the
taller
the
beam
needs
to
be
the
more
protrudes
into
the
structure.
So
from
a
foundation
standpoint,
that's
the
biggest
one
of
the
biggest
obstacles
for
a
you
know
a
garage
on
grade
as
opposed
to
a
house.
So
that's
from
a
foundational
standpoint.
B
Okay,
so
I
want
to
move
to
another
discipline:
do
we
have
the
arborist
here
from
the
okay
and
if
you
could
please,
sir,
come
forward
and
state
your
name.
B
Jordan,
so,
following
up
that
line
of
questioning,
can
you
speak
to
the
presence
of
the
root
system
in
that
particular
location,
and
whether
or
not
it
even
makes
sense
to
from
the
health
of
the
tree
and
any
specific
ordinances
regarding
those
grand
trees.
B
F
So
what's
the
the
existing
structure
is
about
seven
feet
from
the
edge
of
this
tree,
the
trees
over
40
inches
and
it's
a
grand
live
oak
right
now
the
city
of
tampa
code
says
you
can't
do
any
subsurface
disturbance
within
20
a
20
foot
protective
radius.
So
the
existing
structure
right
now
is
about
seven
feet
and
as
arborists
we
can
use
different
best
management
practices
to
navigate.
What
is
tolerable
and
a
good
rule
of
thumb
is
about
three
times
trunk
diameter.
F
So
if
there
was
to
be
root,
pruning
or
root,
cutting
within
three
times
trunk
diameter,
it
would
go
against
the
american
national
standards
institute.
Ansi,
the
ansi
a300,
so
any
sort
of
subsurface
pruning
to
fit
in
the
future
or
the
proposed
driveway
would
be
against
standard
and
cause
irreparable
damage
to
the
subject
tree.
So
we
would
be
effectively
irreparably
damaging
someone
else's
property
which,
by
law,
we
can't
do
so
anything
within
worst
case
scenario.
Three
times
trunk
diameter
or
the
way
the
city
of
tampa
code
is
written.
F
20
foot
is
going
to
be
viewed
as
a
detriment
to
the
tree
and,
I'm
sure,
you've
seen
a
tree
in
a
cow
pasture
uproot.
You
have
a
very
wide
shallow
root
plate
and,
right
now
the
structure
is
within
that
root
plate.
So
just
a
few
inches
below
surface,
maybe
four,
to
six
inches.
It's
this
bone.
This
root
mushroom,
like
elephant
foot
that
actually
holds
the
tree
up.
It's
the
root
plate
and
that's
what
would
be
interfered
with?
Should
you
try
to
root
prune
or
put
a
driveway
in
the
same
spot?.
B
E
This
goes
to
the
structural
engineer,
so
a
so
we're
talking
about
a
grade
beam
that
would
be
needed
to
somehow
support
this
structure,
but
this
so
it
would
go
on
the
inside
of
the
structure.
Is
that
the
way
it
would?
How
would
how
would
that
be
installed,
because
it's.
I
G
G
It
has
to
span
his
root
zone,
which
would
be
problematic.
You
know
to
if
it's
a
20
foot
deep
garage,
if
you're
trying
to
put
a
footer
in
the
corners
to
spend
20
feet,
supporting
it
all
up
and
you
you
basically
have
to
have
a
gap
below
the
grade
beams.
This
is
all
elevated
off
the
ground,
and
how
do
you
have
a
garage
with
a
one
inch
gap
underneath
it?
That
would
just
let
things
in
to
the
garage.
You
know
it's
not.
It
wouldn't
be
cut
off
from
the
outside
elements.
I
guess.
E
M
If
I
could
interject
one
thing,
if
you
could
avoid
the
limb
that
overhangs
the
top
of
the
roof,
so
when
you're
starting
to
you're,
considering
lifting,
then
you
start
compromising
the
amount
of
height
that
you
can
go
up,
because
that
I
showed
you
the
picture
of
that
limb.
That
comes
out
directly
over
the
top
of
the
of
the
existing
garage.
F
Sorry,
the
limb
is
11
or
12
feet
above
grade
where
it
sits
now
the
limb
where,
if,
if
it
were
to
be
cut,
it
would
be
about
an
18
inch.
Diameter
cut
to
make
a
proper
cut
at
the
branch
collar.
We'd
have
to
have
permission
to
cross
the
neighbor's
property
to
make
a
proper
cut
without
permission.
We
can't
trespass,
therefore
there
would
be
a
heading
cut,
which
is
just
a
stub
right
at
the
property
line,
leaving
a
nub
of
wood
that
would
be
dead
and
it's
five
feet
long
and
removing
that
18
inch.
F
F
B
D
F
B
G
G
Need
you
have
to
speak
on
the
root
part
of
it,
but
kind
of
the
basis
of
the
great
beam
is
to
keep
it
elevated
off
the
ground
and,
while
I
you
know
anything
can
be
supported,
I
don't
think
it
would
be
a
practical
solution
for
a
garage.
That's
on
the
ground,
that's
supposed
to
be
on
the
ground.
B
So
what
we're
hearing
is
in
order
to
make
this
feasible
if,
if
the
direction
was
given,
let's
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
work
with
the
existing
structure,
and
you
had
to
rebuild
some
sort
of
support
system
for
the
walls.
Let's
say
it
sounds
as
if
you
would
have
to
put
in
posts
and
then
there
would
be
a
gap
between
the
grade
and
the
bottom
of
the
walls.
M
M
You
would
have
to
hand
excavate
all
the
way
around
that
radius
and
the
footprint
of
the
existing
structure,
and
then
we
run
into
the
issue.
It
would
have
to
be
elevated
and
then
the
second
part
would
be
that.
How
do
you
deal
with
the
height
constraint
because
of
the
limb
that's
crossing
over
the
top?
M
So
we
we
have
a
very
constrained
area
that
we
can
do
anything
with
it
and
again
it's
relatively
small,
it's
200
square
feet.
It
does
not
add
to
the
overall
value
of
the
property
significantly
and
it
you
know
we're
trying
to
we're
trying
to
make
the
best
situation
out
of
a
very
compromising
location.
M
B
E
E
B
I
think
the
commissioners
are
we're
good
right,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
that
portion
and
you
have
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
Mr
mclean.
B
L
B
Thank
you
yeah.
I
have
it
here
all
right.
Sorry,
commissioners,
if
there
is
a
concern
or
a
comment
that
we
need
to
discuss.
E
Demolition
is
always
difficult.
We
have
already
seen
that
tonight.
However,
in
this
case,
we
have
a
chance
to
do
something
very
good
for
a
grand
tree.
E
Yeah
we're
very
close
yes,
but
the
owner
has,
you
know,
has
been
very
upfront.
He
said
I
bought
this.
You
know
five
months
ago
or
whatever
within
the
past
in
2021.
He
has
encountered
this
difficulty
he's
looked.
You
know.
The
experts
have
looked
at
it
very
carefully
and
has
said
that
this
would
you
know
that
we
can't
do
much
underneath
this
tree
and
I
am
very
much
in
favor
of
assisting
the
tree.
C
C
D
D
M
Give
me
a
second
here
to
move
from
one
folder
to
the
next.
Absolutely.
F
M
Excuse
me
now
we're
back
on
the
design
package
that
you
all
have
on
the
first
page,
you'll
see
that
we
have
the
survey
and
the
existing
structure.
This
is
the
current
location
of
the.
M
So
we
started
with
this
scenario
and
then
we
moved,
we
gradually
moved
the
proposed
accessory
structure,
southward
and
everything
that
you
see
here
was
coordinated
with
the
arborist
to
ensure
that
we
had
the
the
protective
radius
and
you'll
see
that
you'll
see
that
drawn
here.
Obviously,
this
was
within
the
protective
radius.
M
This
was
barely
touching
the
productive
radius
and
then
this
location,
which
is
more
typical
for
the
location
of
an
accessory
structure,
was
moved
southward
and
it
would
meet
the
accessory
structure
setbacks.
Now.
One
of
the
questions
that
came
up
previously
was
why
why,
in
this
location-
and
why
couldn't
we
move,
move
things
over
here?
Well,
we
have
a
grand
tree
here
on
the
sidewalk
and
we
have
another
tree
here
that
so
we're
again
we're
compromised
on
the
location
by
by
the
trees
themselves
and
also
on
the
site.
M
So
by
moving
it
up
there,
we
get
outside
the
protective
radius
of
the
existing
grand
tree
on
this.
On
the
north
side,
we
don't
interfere
with
the
grand
tree
out
here
and
we
don't
interfere
with
the
other.
This
is
a
28
inch
live
oak
here,
so
we're
all
within
the
protective
areas
where
we've
sandwiched
in
between
where
we
should
be
with
respect
to
the
site,
location.
M
Let
me
ask
a
question:
should
I
be
going
through
the
materials
for
the
renovation
of
the
home,
as
well
as
the
proposed
accessory
structure?
No,
whatever.
M
M
M
On
your
next
on
your
next
sheet,
which
is
3.1
we're
showing
the
the
west
view,
which
is
from
the
alley
side,
with
the
lower
level,
lower
level
doors
and
and
they
and
the
windows
all
the
windows
throughout
this
accessory
structure
proposed,
this
proposed
will
match
and
they
will.
They
are
also
compatible
with
the
windows,
the
size
and
scale
of
the
windows
for
the
existing
structure.
M
M
This
is
a
typical
fence
that
we're
proposing
and
again
this
this
fence
will
will
be
the
same
perimeter
fencing
throughout
the
project.
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
M
The
front
of
this
will
actually
face
to
the
to
the
east,
the
alignment,
the
rhythm
and
spacing
mimics
the
traditional
size
and
location
for
other
properties
in
the
in
the
area.
The
trim
and
the
detail
will
match
the
facade
and
proportions,
and
the
window
patterns
are
exactly
the
same
entrances
and
porches,
and
the
projections
and
size
will
remain
the
same
as
those
for
the
house.
M
M
M
Materials,
including
ceiling
and
deck,
is
lap
board
and
we'll
use
the
same
type
of
lap
board
pattern
and
size
for
the
existing.
The
existing
structure
we're
going
to
match
that,
for
those
that
have
to
be
restored
and
well
anything
is
required
for
the
accessory
structure.
That's
proposed
will
also
be
planned
to
meet
those
same
specifications
I'll
be
happy
to
answer.
I
think
I've
covered
everything
in
the
package
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
and
we
remain
available.
H
Good
evening,
commissioner
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation.
Just
to
reiterate
the
request
this
evening
on
this
portion
of
the
request
is
for
new
construction
for
the
accessory
structure
with
site
improvements.
H
I
just
wanted
to
touch
upon
the
the
challenges
that
this
particular
site
has
with
the
tree.
In
in
working
with
their
team,
we
looked
at
different
site
locations
for
the
new
accessory
structure
outside
of
the
protective
radius
as
you
get
just
right
outside
the
protective
radius.
H
It's
it's
not
possible
to
come
down
the
ribbon,
drive
and
park
into
the
accessory
structure
with
the
location
with
the
20
foot
of
radius.
That
is
there
and
then
it
put
the
the
accessory
structure
in
the
middle
of
the
backyard
that
kind
of
bifurcated
the
backyard.
That's
very
atypical
in
a
pattern
in
height
part,
so
the
other
solution
was
to
move
it
to
the
the
other
side
of
the
parcel.
H
H
I
think
he
has
it
on
his
plans.
He
could
show
you
the
existing
ribbon
drive.
The
intention
is
to
continue
the
ribbon
drive
towards
the
rear
and
then
out
the
alley
they're
going
to
put
the
gate
there
that
there's
no
site
triangle
as
part
of
this
request,
I'd
like
for
him
to
go
through
the
the
site
plan
and
show
the
location
of
the
fencing
to
accommodate
sensitivity
and
and
transportation
standards
with
the
site
triangle.
H
Within
this
within
inside
the
the
historic
districts
you
could
go
to
22
and
a
half
feet.
That's
the
cap!
If
anybody
asked
for
for
more
than
that,
it
would
come
back
as
a
variance.
So
administratively
we
allow
the
22.5
foot
with
discussion
through
land
development
and
preservation.
That
concludes
my
portion.
I'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
B
C
Yes,
sir,
I
do
have
a
question.
I
finally
figured
out
what
you're
all
doing
with
your
fence
and
with
your
gate,.
C
I
yes
because
I
do
have
one
question,
because
I
understand
what
you're
doing
with
the
inset
for
the
driveway,
so
they
have
the
sight
lines
going
in
and
out
of
the
out
of
the
alley,
but
what
is
happening
with
the
fence
inset
behind
the
new
accessory
structure,
because
on
your
plan,
5
1,
I
see
that
this
back
corner
room
is
intended
to
be
storage
and
there's
an
intention
to
have
here
a
french
door
accessing
that
from
the
alley,
and
that
strikes
me
as
being
a
personal
security
issue.
Why
is
that?
Like
that?.
C
N
I
B
It's
not
really
in
our
review
as
to
whether
or
not
it
works
for
them
security
wise.
I
do
have
a
question
generally
about.
If
we
go
back
to
the
arborist,
you
know
we
talked
about
putting
things
on
the
root
system.
B
B
F
Understood
I
can't
respond
with
confidence,
because
I
have
not
had
any
opportunity
for
discovery.
The
structure
is
existing
and
I
cannot
observe
and
foresee
future
issues
until
the
building
is
gone
and
we
do
exploration,
we
can
air
spade.
We
can
find
where
routes
are
where
they're,
not
if
it's
going
to
work
or
if
we
need
to
come
up
with
other
potential
solutions.
B
N
The
the
process
and
landing
to
this
design
is
again
giving
purpose
to
that
new
apron
going
so
through
the
the
driveway.
You
know
not
having
the
opportunity
to
put
an
accessory
structure
over
their
landing
point.
We
decided
with
staff
to
do
a
drive.
You
know
a
drive-through
providing
with
gates,
you
know
giving
them
gates
for
security
when
having
the
final
solution,
for
that
will
be
determined
and
addressed
and
and
guidance
provided
through
each
step
through
the
demo
through
the
construction
process.
I
know
we're
concerned
about
what
construction
does
is.
N
B
So
the
next
big
element
that
I
I
think
we
need
to
address
is
location
of
the
stairs.
When
we
look
at
historic
precedent,
stairs
that
service,
an
accessory
structure,
they're,
typically
either
rear-facing
facing
the
alley
or
to
the
side
of
the
lot.
They
do
not
face
the
front,
and
I
do
understand,
there's
a
fence
in
front
of
that.
But
fences
can
go
away
and
landscape
can
go
away
over
the
lifetime
of
a
building
in
a
property,
and
it's
just
not
consistent
with
your
historic
pattern.
So
if
you
have
precedence,
we'd
certainly
love
to
see
that.
N
We
identified
that
in
this
diagram
and
this
one
there
was
no
usability
for
driveway
and
and
from
the
arc
staff.
Having
a
structure
in
the
center
of
the
backyard
did
not
make
sense,
so
it
pushed
us
in
this
back
corner.
We
also
landed
that
we
have
to
have
some
type
of
purpose
of
this
driveway.
So
we
okay,
we'll
do
the
pull
through
driveway.
Those
gates
are
very
expensive.
N
So
in
order
to
have
an
accessory
structure
to
locate
it
in
in
this
direction,
just
ate
up
and
kind
of
pushed
it
back
to
the
center
of
the
property.
There
is
a
multi-family,
and
so
that's
that's.
The
main
reason
is
it's
just
landscape.
N
Mr
cash
would
purchase
this
to
have
family
in
the
backyard
and
open.
You
know
have
an
open
space,
we're
not
putting
any
pool,
there's
no
purpose
for
that
and
just
wanted
to
have
some
type
of
real
estate
back
there,
so
that
was
that
was
the
number
one
reason.
The
second
right
on
the
back
side
of
this
right
next
door
is
a
multi-family
parking
lot.
So
very
much
it's
fine!
It's
been
there.
He
was
aware
of
that,
but
if
we
could
use
that
this
structure
to
also
screen
that.
N
F
I
don't
know
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
for
discovery.
If
there
are
large
structural
routes
that
interfere,
then
we
may
need
to
put
granite
chips
in
that
area
and
and
work
with
what
we're
dealing
with.
If
there
is
no
structural
roots
that
will
be
impacted,
then
there
will
be
no,
no
consequence,
no
negative
consequence.
E
I
think
that
we
want
to
know
because
we
have
we
have
really
based-
or
at
least
in
my
feeling
we
have
based
the
approval
of
demolition
on
on
the
fact
that
the
compelling
existence
of
the
tree-
and
so
we
really
don't
want
to
harm
that.
So
we
want
to
make
sure.
I
think
that
that
we
put
pervious
paving
there
and.
D
F
I
don't
think
anybody
can
answer
that
question.
We
I
don't
know
how
quickly
the
tree's
going
to
grow,
size
and
age,
don't
directly
correlate
history
of
the
land
is
going
to
be
your
best
guesstimate
of
age
of
the
tree.
The
proposed
structure
is
between
10
to
15
feet
away
from
the
other
live
oak,
and
that
is
outside
the
three
times
trunk
diameter
ansi
standards.
F
E
I
want
to
point
out
that
there
are
corner
boards
on
the
existing
garage
and
so
it's
easier
to
make
a
corner
board
than
a
miter
joint,
and
I
would
suspect-
and
it
gives
that
it
gives
the
cottage
a
little
a
little
more
of
the
look
of
an
accessory
building
and.
M
You
know
what
happened
was
that
we
really
struggled
with
this
with
a
meeting
with
staff
last
week
trying
to
find
perimeter
photographs
of
the
house
and
when
I
and
I
saw
those
boards,
you
know
those
corner
boards
on
the
on
the
accessory
structure,
and
we
really
were
going.
It
didn't
really
matter
one
way
or
the
other,
so
we're
perfectly
agreeable
to
making
the
corner
boards
on
the
accessory
structure
without
any
objection
whatsoever.
E
M
One
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
address
that
was
part
of
your
question
was
until
we
get
into
the
demolition
of
that
accessory
structure.
We
will
not
know
exactly
what
materials
we
could
use,
but
that's
why
I
was
suggesting
that
we
leave
it
up
to
the
staff,
but
we're
perfectly
happy
to
put
in
granite
chips
as
a
as
a
surface
and
allow
that
to
float
instead
of
putting
pavers
down
or
pervious
concrete,
or
something
like
that.
M
That
will,
in
fact,
as
you
know,
that
root
is
going
to
push
something
up
and
so
the
granite,
you
know
the
granite
chips
in
there
with
some
kind
of
a
wooden
border
would
probably
suffice.
So
we're
not
trying
to
you
know.
I
know
we
made
a
big
deal
out
of
out
of
the
tree
and
protecting
the
tree
in
order
to
get
the
demolition
approval,
so
we
don't
want
to
go
backwards
and
say:
okay,
we
got
the
demolition
approval
now,
let's
put
something
else
back
in
that's
the
same,
so
that
we're
not
trying
to
do
that.
M
M
With
respect
to
the
historic
context
of
the
stairwells
being
in
the
front,
we
also
discussed
that
with
staff
we're
trying
to
find
the
addresses
now
on
on
his
on
his
cell
phone.
But
I
understood
there
was.
There
are
a
couple
in
the
district
that
have
that
they're,
not.
M
C
I
would
like
to
expand
one
question
in
this
area:
I'm
going
to
play
the
devil's
advocate.
I
understand
that
you're
really
not
going
to
know
what
you
are
actually
contending
with
until
everything
is
gone
and
you
actually
have
to
do
some
subsurface
investigations
and
so
forth.
C
No
of
the
existing
tree,
okay
tree
root
system-
assume
let
us
assume
that
that
the
worst
case
is
found-
and
you
find
a
very
major,
very,
very
shallow
root
system
where
that
existing
garage
is.
Are
you
all
prepared
to
abandon
a
driveway
access
to
the
alley
the
through
drive?
Yes,.
N
And
I
want
to
make
clear:
yes,
the
answer
is
yes,
we
were
not
asking
for
that.
That
was
a
recommendation
to
give
purpose
for
keeping
the
driveway.
Once
we
determined
moving
the
driveway
to
the
opposite
side
was
pretty
much
unfeasible,
then
it
was
recommended
that
we
come
up
with
a
purpose
for
that
drug
and
it
it
does
serve
a
little
bit
of
convenience
for
multiple.
N
N
M
One
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
that
transportation
came
back
to
us
and
recommended
this.
This
scenario
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
and
so
and
then,
when
we
met
with
the
preservation
staff,
they
were
like.
Well,
you
know
same
question
that
you
asked,
but
we
got
a
grand
tree
here,
we're
trying
to
protect
the
grand
tree
and
the
transportation
wanted
it
to
be
a
through
drive.
If
we
eliminate
the
driveway
entirely,
then
we
don't
have
the
two
spaces
for
the
cars
that
are
required
and
I
guess
their
concern
transportation.
M
B
So
so,
in
reviewing
this
with
staff
ron,
the
location
of
that
fence
and
gate
at
the
at
the
existing
ribbon
drive.
Can
that
move
forward
just
shy
of
the
front
porch?
It
can
cant
it
underneath
under
the
district
guidelines.
As
long
as
the
porch
is
free
and
clear.
H
H
They
were
putting
the
fence
in
the
back
to
encapsulate
the
cars
or
farther
back
from
the
front
facade,
and
then
the
discussion
took
place
that
you
know,
instead
of
if
they
have
three
cars
down
that
chute
and
they
have
to
you
know
back
them
out
to
exit
out
the
alley.
That's
why
the
fence
location
in
the
alley
is
truncated,
to
be
10
foot
from
the
rear
and
10
foot
in.
So
you
maintain
the
site
triangle
as
well.
B
M
Chair,
I
think
that
that
is
an
issue
that
you
know.
We
have
some
some
hanging
fruit
out
here
and
you
know
we'd
like
to
move
forward
if
we
can
and
leave
that
is
a
depending
on
what
happens
with
the
excavation,
depending
on
what
happens
with
transportation.
M
Leave
that
issue
regarding
that
fence
up
to
the
staff
that
you
know
at
the
staff.
B
M
And
then
one
other
thing,
that's
going
to
point
out
is
on
on
this
side
of
the
property:
we're
putting
that
fence
there
to
screen
the
hvac
equipment
which
is
existing
here,
but
we'll
be
adding
another
unit
to
service
the
accessory
structure.
So
that
will
be
screened
and
that
will
be
a
requirement.
So
I
know
that
you
thought
that
perhaps
in
the
future
that
that
could
be
removed,
but
that
certainly
could
be
a
condition
that
that
not
be
removed
and
it
maintained
the
screening
that's
required
for.
M
Okay,
well,
that
corner
you
know
it's.
Obviously
it's
a
problem
corner
and
there's
certain
things
that
we
simply
don't
have
an
answer
for
until
we
get
into
the
you
know
full
excavation
and
permitting
process,
and
that's
why
I
was
asking
if
we
could
leave
that
to
staff
and-
and
you
know
how
diligent
staff
is
they're
not
going
to.
Let
us
do
something
that
that
you've
expressed
a
concern
about.
E
Is
it
appropriate?
Well,
we
still
have
the
the
agent
here.
I
understand
that
you're
looking
for
places
where
you
can,
where
you
can
see
the
stairway,
but
it
also
would
seem
that
there
are
screens
you
know
a
green
wall,
a
you
know
a
planted
wall
there.
That
would
come
up
perhaps
to
the
level
of
the
of
the
railing
on
the
upper
on
the
stair
landing.
E
No,
no
I'm
referring
to
something
a
little
more
elaborate
than
that,
something
that
would
allow.
N
N
But
this
is
also
the
oak
tree.
That's
present
right!
So
this
this
structure
is
set
back
past
this.
I
think
it's
roughly
about
10
feet
past
us,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
so
and
the
street,
with
with
the
six
foot
fence,
even
closer,
probably
10
feet
closer
to
you.
So
there's
already
some
natural
screening.
We
are
100,
that's
why
we
show
landscaping
on
the
plan
and
and
we're
willing
to
work
with
any
type
of
maturity
of
trees.
Regarding
that.
N
N
N
Okay,
so
we've
moved
that
fence
up
closer.
So
from
your
vantage
point
from
the
from
the
street,
it's
going
to
screen
more
of
the
of
the
stairs
okay
and
you
have
this
oak
tree
plus.
This
is
the
additional
landscaping
that's
required
just
for
the
ac.
We
would.
There
will
be
new
landscaping
plans,
we
don't
have
them
fully
developed,
but
we're
open
to
any
suggestion.
B
H
Well,
they
started
at
12,
they
increased
it
to
18..
Part
of
the
staff's
comments
were
to
show
the
the
dimensional
line
from
the
body
of
the
building
to
to
the
property
line
to
meet
city
of
tampa
code
as
well
as
you
have
your
overhangs.
The
overhangs
still
need
to
be
two
foot
clear
to
the
property
line,
so
they're
showing
18
inches
of
the
overhangs.
Now.
M
Only
if
you
have
any
more
questions,
I
think
we've
covered
it
by
everything
we
can
cover.
That's
known.
We
knew
we
recognized
and
realized.
There
are
some
unknowns,
we're
asking
for
you
to
empower
the
staff
to
deal
with
that
and
then
again
it'll
be
we're,
making
a
commitment
to
you
to
make
it
sure
that
it's
consistent
with
your
comments
and
concerns
that
have
been
voiced
at
this
hearing.
B
Go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
and
open
it
open
up
our
discussion.
I
kind
of
want
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit,
commissioner
sutton,
since
you
are
a
historian
and
you've
certainly
got
more
experience
than
I
do
with
the
historic
preservation
board.
The
the
question
of
the
stairs.
C
I
think,
if
there's
any
precedent,
it's
we
find
stairs
on
all
sides
of
these
buildings.
We
find
them
as
exterior
elements.
We
find
them
as
interior
elements
it.
It
really
is
all
over
the
place.
C
C
B
C
B
C
You
don't
want
to
go
too
far
off
the
field
in
terms
of
of
of
its
detailing
and
materiality,
where
there's
a
stark
difference
between
the
two
now
you
know
they're
working
with
rafters
and
doors
and
windows
and
sidings
and
signing
details
that
are
substantially
compatible
with
the
existing
gold.
The
only
thing
we
have
that,
really,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
call
it
a
sore
thumb,
is
that
stair.
G
So
kamari
pettis
mackerel
for
the
legal
department.
Just
in
remembering
your
discussion
mode
and
when
you're
it
comes
time
for
your
your
motion.
G
D
B
I
think
simplicity
is
best.
That's
that's
my
opinion.
I
think
it's.
It
needs
to
step
back
and
let
the
primary
structure
be
the
showcase
piece
I
mean
when
you
look
at
the
imagery
of
the
existing
of
what's
there
now
and
that,
even
if
that
canopy
wasn't
there,
that
carport
structure
that
existing
accessory
structure
just
sits
back
and
says,
I'm
not
that
important
right.
B
B
B
E
I
really
I
I
feel
like
they've
they've
hit
it
pretty
well,
it
is,
it
is
not
as
bungalow,
it
is
clearly
not
a
mini
bungalow,
and
I
do
not
feel
that
that
is
what's
called
form
right
and
there
is
a
you
know,
I'm
looking
at
the
front
of
this
at
the
front
of
the
of
the
main
structure,
and
it
has
a
a
very
large
vocabulary
of
windows,
green
and
so
this
this
rear
structure
with
a
six
over
one.
I
B
I'm
done
well
is
anyone
ready
to.
B
E
I
C
I
E
E
E
For
the
property
located
at
821,
orleans
avenue
with
the
following
conditions,
number
one
that
this
approval
is
based
on.
The
administrative
approval
of
the
design
exception
for
height
number,
two,
that
the
final
location
of
the
driveway
gates
and
the
paving
in
the
area
of
the
neighbor's
grand
tree
be
coordinated
with
staff
number
three.
That
staff
approved
final
screening
of
the
stairway
to
the
at
the
in
the
ex
for
the
accessory
dwelling
for
the
second
story
of
the
accessory
dwelling
and
number
four
that
the
accessory
that
the
accessory
unit
should
have
corner
boards.
I
G
B
All
in
favor
please
stay
high
and
raise
your
hand
indicating
so
I
I
seeing
the
motion
passes.