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A
September
15th
2021
public
hearing
for
the
city
of
tampa's
architectural
review.
Commission
welcome
everyone,
I'm
susan
clop
smith,
I'll,
be
the
chair,
the
acting
chair
for
the
committee,
the
commission
tonight,
if
you
are
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
A
A
Your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
site
plan,
elevations
architectural
details,
wall
sections,
the
staff
will
then
present
their
staff
report
upon
the
completion
of
your
presentation,
and
then
we
will
ask
for
a
public
comment
and
then
the
commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
your
presentation
when
you
do
come
to
the
podium,
please
state
and
spell
your
name.
Clearly.
If
you
were
here
to
speak
for
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
A
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
following
public
comment:
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal
and
then
the
public
hearing
will
be
closed.
The
only
comments
which
will
be
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
is
closed
will
be
in
response
to
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
B
A
E
E
A
Those
opposed
seeing
none
the
the
readings
the
minutes
are
entered
into
the
record
and
now
we'll
turn
to
dennis
fernandez
for
any
announcements.
G
In
addition
to
that
information,
I
do
have
the
staff
approvals
to
earn.
The
record.
Mr
sack
has
been
provided
a
copy
of
those
and
that
do
have
a
copy
of
the
2022
sounds
a
little
difficult
to
say
that
year
of
the
calendar,
that's
in
your
packet.
We
will
be
electronically,
emailing
that
to
you
as
well,
for
your
convenience,
just
so
that
you
can
prepare
your
calendars
for
next
year.
With
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
our
legal
counsel
to
deal
with
the
conflicts
of
interest
in
ex-parte
communication.
H
C
H
I
Good
evening
commissioners
ron
velam
staff
with
historic
preservation
under
continuations.
We
have
two
they're
getting
continued
to
two
separate
dates,
so
we
need
two
separate
motions.
The
first
one
is
arc
21-406
for
the
address
of
203
westborn
street
and
202
west
beach
place.
That
was
requested
by
the
agent
to
be
continued
to
the
november
1st
2021
public
hearing
at
6
p.m.
And
if
we
could
get
a
motion
for
that,
please.
I
Thank
you
for
that
motion
and
the
second
continuation
is
arc.
21-44
excuse
me
433
for
the
address
of
832
south
boulevard.
What
we
did
here
is
we
asked
the
agent
and
the
owner
if
they
were
willing
to
continue
to
our
september
22nd
public
hearing
at
6
00
p.m.
So
we
could
balance
out
the
agenda.
So
if
we
could
get
a
motion
for
the
continuation
from
tonight's
hearing
to
september
twenty
second.
E
C
Move
that
arc
21
433
for
the
property
located
at
832
south
boulevard
be
continued
to
the
september
22nd
2021
meeting.
E
C
A
I
I
I
I
I'm
starting
out
on
this
photo
presentation
with
the
vicinity.
Map
property
in
question
is
highlighted
in
the
green
box.
You
see
that
when
this
was
first
put
out
that
there
was
two
contributing
structures
side
by
side.
The
first
case
is
the
one
in
the
in
the
shaded
green
area.
The
next
case
will
be
the
budding
property
to
the
east,
but
let's
just
focus
on
the
one.
That's
highlighted
in
the
green
parcel.
I
I
There
is
no
alley
that
is
behind
the
parcel,
so
the
parcel
will
have
to
receive
the
automobile
from
you
know
customary
through
the
alley,
but
there
is
no
alley
on
this
on
this
site.
Moving
to
the
sanborn
map,
the
sanborn
map
property
in
question
is
also
on
the
shaded
green
area.
This
is
on
the
corner
of
robos
and
central
again.
There
was
no
alley
back
in
1929
when
this
map
was
constructed,
you
see
the
orientation
for
the
structures
on
robos.
They
have
a
exposure
to
the
south.
I
Moving
to
the
overhead
shot
here,
you
see
the
tree
canopies
that
surround
the
parcel
here.
Natural
resources
has
reviewed
this
property
and
the
subject
site.
That's
coming
forward
with
the
footprint
has
been
reviewed
and
approved.
I
I
I
This
here
is
looking
back
from
central
avenue,
looking
at
some
of
the
original
curving
here
and
the
pedestrian
walkways
that
went
to
the
subject
site.
You
see
the
sidewalk
here
and
then
it
does
have
a
knee
wall
that
surrounds
the
property.
I
I
I
This
is
looking
down
robles.
It
terminates
into
the
interstate.
There
are
no
sidewalks
on
robos.
This
is
looking
to
the
east
and
then
to
conclude
with
the
last
shot.
This
is
looking
down
robles.
This
is
central
avenue.
Subject.
Site
is
to
the
right
and
at
this
time
that
concludes
the
photo
presentation
and
I'll.
Have
the
agent
come
forward
and
address
the
board.
J
J
This
is
the
the
home
we
did
on
504
east
park
avenue.
J
And
we
did
well
four
streets
north
of
this
robles.
We
did.
They
all
have
to
be
blue
because
the
clients
cho
they
all
happen
to
chose
blue
for
the
color,
but
this
is
304
306
east
atlee.
We
took
our
inspiration
for
the
robo
projects
from
this
particular
project.
Here
I
just
want
to
show
you
guys
that
we
we
have
been
down
this
road
before
with
you
for
the
tampa
heights
area,
we're
going
to
start
off
tonight
with
the
site
plan.
J
J
Again,
I
think
the
the
detached
garage
fits
right
in
in
terms
of
the
historic
fabric
of
the
the
neighborhood.
We
we've
notated
here
that
we're
going
to
do
a
white,
vinyl
fence,
it'll
flank
both
sides
of
the
garage
come
around.
There's
your
gate
there
and
on
the
other
side
as
well,
we
located
the
mechanical
equipment
on
the
far
side
away
from
the
street
on
this
particular
house.
J
J
If
you
can
look
over
here,
ryan
kind
of
showed
it
in
his
presentation,
we're
gonna
be
getting
rid
of
that
the
walkway
we
will
be
keeping
and
restoring,
if
necessary,
the
small
knee
wall
that
runs
along
the
property
line
and
obviously
we'll
be
fixing
or
making
sure
the
existing
sidewalk
is
intact.
When
the
project
is
is
all
done.
J
You
guys
are
interested
really
in
the
in
the
floor
plan,
but
this
is
kind
of
another
overhead
view
to
show
you
the
the
extent
of
the
wraparound
porch.
It
shows
the
welcome
walls,
the
wide
steps,
again,
that's
very
close
to
what
we
did
on
on
304
east
adelie,
a
couple
streets
north
of
this,
which
you
will
not
see
on
here.
J
It
might
be
too
small
for
you
to
see,
but
the
the
column
diameter
is
24x24,
nice,
substantial
bases
on
them,
it'd
be
a
wood,
a
wood
cap
and
then
again,
referring
back
to
this
photo
the
tapered
column
at
the
top.
J
J
This
is
what
we
will
be
doing
I'll
show
you
the
exact
door
that
we
picked
out
here
later
on
in
the
presentation,
but
this
shows
you
that
the
the
gable
single
siding
and
the
brackets
will
mimic
the
main
house,
and
you
have
the
the
mixing
up
of
materials
there
with
the
lap
and
the
shingle
and
then
the
12
inch
freeze
board
on
our
historic
homes.
We
use
regular
hardy
plank,
siding
to
sheath
the
building,
and
then
our
trim
is
actually
a
two
by
framing
material.
So
it
gives
that
depth.
J
And
again,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can,
if
you
can
see
it
on
the
overhead,
but
but
the
columns
again
are
substantial.
They're
24
by
24
tapered
paper
tops.
You
can
see.
The
brackets
illustrated
three
there:
five
on
top
with
the
gable
vent,
with
shingle
siding
as
well
on
these
homes,
we'll
have
the
12
inch
a
10
inch
freeze
board
at
the
bottom
running
around
to
start
the
the
siding
going
up.
J
We
have
exposed
rafter
tails,
we're
scabbing
on
two
by
six
tails,
so
it'll
be
a
substantial
tail.
We'll
have
a
two
by
eight
fascia
on
these
and
then
b
board
b
board
soffit
on
the
on
the
underside
of
the
on
the
top
side
of
the
the
tails
themselves.
J
We
try
to
to
stack
the
window
as
best.
We
can
without
completely
changing
the
floor
plan
too
much.
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
front,
we
kind
of
become
staggered
everything
or
we
kind
of
line
everything
up
on
this
particular
house,
we're
doing
a
nice,
substantial
wood,
front
door,
two
side,
lights,
kind
of
a
craftsman.
Look
on
this
one!
It's
gonna
be
six
eight
tall
and
then
the
windows
on
this
particular
house
are
going
to
be
a
hurricane.
So
you
won't
have
the
little
knobs
for
the
impact
protection.
J
J
This
is
the
house
directly
to
the
east
of
us
new
construct
new
reconstruction,
so
we
are
we're
about
two
inches
taller
than
than
that
hole
next
to
us
to
the
right
again,
just
to
help
with
the
curb
appeal
and
give
it
that
nice
propped
up
stance.
J
This
is
the
elevation
on
the
rear
and
the
west
side
of
the
house.
Again,
you
can
see
the
mixing
of
materials.
We
have
the
gable
events
on
the
side.
We
have
the
shingle
siding
along
with
the
lap
and,
again
just
to
reiterate
all
the
trim.
Work
on
the
home
will
be
a
two
by
framing
material
which
will
again
give
it
the
depth
that
it
needs
to
mimic
that
historic,
look
to
dive
a
little
deeper
into
the
particulars
of
the
finishes.
J
This
is
a
rough,
pretty
image
we
had
made.
It
was
really
hard
for
him
to
display
or
illustrate
the
the
rafter
tails.
But
again
this
is
just
a
3d
image
and
have
no
mullions
in
the
windows
themselves.
It
would
be
block
on
bottom
frame
on
top,
so
for
our
windows
on
top
that
go
they
get
framed.
What
we
actually
do
is
we
use.
We
use
vinyl
mi
windows,
but
we
actually
will
frame
the
top
of
a
two
by
six
and
we'll
inset
a
two
by
four
buck.
J
So
when
we
apply
when
we
install
the
the
nail
fin
window
itself,
it
will
screw
in
and
it'll
actually
be
recessed
into
the
opening,
along
with
the
thicker
trim.
It'll
really
have
a
nice
nice
look
to
it,
which
I'd
love
to
show
you
an
example
of
that
here
I
mean
it's
a
really
really
substantial
inset
you
see
on
when
we
couple
the
insulation
method,
with
the
with
the
material
for
the
trim.
J
We'll
get
back
into
the
cut
section
here
toward
the
end:
here's
some
examples
of
hardware
we're
fond
of
bronze
on
our
homes
for
lighting
on
the
outside.
J
What
we
typically
do
for
our
door:
hardware,
all
the
homes
we
build,
including
these
we
do
tongue
and
groove-
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
glare
or
not,
but
a
tongue
and
groove
porch
ceiling
stained
if
a
client's
involved
in
whatever
color
they
like,
but
we
typically
do
a
wood
roof,
a
wood
port
ceiling.
J
J
This
is
the
garage
door
that
we're
hoping
to
use
and,
after
speaking
with
ron,
I
think
what
we're
going
to
do
is
instead
of
doing
two.
I
know
the
old
historic
homes
garages
have
separate
doors
instead
of
doing
that.
We're
gonna
we're
gonna,
go
ahead
and
do
hardware
on
each
side
and
make
it
give
it
the
you
know
the
general
appearance
of
two
doors,
but
we're
going
to
hopefully
want
to
use
this
door
here
on
the
garage
itself.
J
And
then
circle
back
real
quick.
This
is
what
was
originally
there
again
we're
going
to
maintain
and
repair
this
this
knee
wall
here
and
then
we're
going
to
get
rid
of
this
and
we'll
we're
going
to
landscape
and
everything
the
the
right
away,
of
course,
with
the
driveway
cut,
we're
going
to
sink
the
the
granite
curb
as
we
should
in
this
in
this
area
and
then,
lastly,
circling
back
around
to
the
cut
section
again.
J
The
main
point
of
this
was
to
show
you
guys
that
we
have
the
two
by
six
rafter
tails
on
the
roof,
the
roof
line
and
then
again
just
to
illustrate
how
our
windows,
inset,
despite
being
in
block
or
wood.
A
I
Good
evening,
commissioner
ron
vila
the
staff
of
historic
preservation
staff
finding
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
tampa
heights
design
guidelines.
Just
to
remind
you,
the
request
in
front
of
you
this
evening
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction,
for
the
primary
structure,
for
the
detach
accessory
structure
and
with
site
improvements.
I
On
page
three
of
your
staff
report,
staff
has
some
conditions
associated
with
our
consistent
determination
if
the
applicant
could
go
through
the
setbacks
from
the
front
yard
to
be
consistent
with
the
historic
fabric
on
that
block,
I
believe
he
has
additional
information
that
he
can
share
with
you.
As
I
stated
through
the
photo
presentation.
Central
avenue
is
one
of
the
main
corridors
through
tampa
heights.
So
on
page
three,
the
staff
report,
you
know
I
reiterated
the
sidewalk,
the
driveways
and
the
walkways
to
be
consistent
with
the
fabric.
I
That's
there
he
did
touch
upon
the
granite.
Curbing
will
be
sunk
where
the
apron
will
be
in
place.
The
part
the
parkway
should
be
maintained
in
the
original
form
that
it
is,
he
did
discuss
the
knee
wall
and
the
the
part
of
the
knee
wall.
That
is
missing.
That
will
be
filled
in
to
match
the
budding
sides
on
the
site
plan.
It
illustrates
that
a
vinyl
fence
will
be
incorporated
when
we
look
at
fencing.
I
You
might
want
to
elaborate
on
that
as
well
and
then
to
conclude
for
him
to
go
through
the
wall
section,
one
more
time
to
call
out
all
the
exterior
materials
and
then
show
them
the
materials
that
he
brought
to
illustrate
what
his
vision
is
and
then
on
the
elevation.
The
face
of
central
avenue
on
the
second
level
seems
to
be
a
void.
He
has
two
windows
that
that
flank
each
corner
and
usually
this
this
pattern
that
he's
showing
he's
stacking.
I
A
Thank
you
we'll
now
go
ahead
and
open
the
harrington
public
comment
is
anyone
here
that
would
like
to
speak
for
or
against
the
project,
seeing
no
one
will
go
ahead
and
close
that
and
then
what
we're
going
to
do
now
is
let
the
commissioners
ask
questions
and
then
allow
you
time
to
respond.
Okay,
so
I
would
like
to
start
with,
commissioner.
I
can't
think
of
damn
sorry,
commissioner
myers,
who
I've
known
for
like
25
years.
F
And
I
know
that
ron
has
requested
some
additional
information.
Would
you
care
to
respond
to.
E
J
Yeah,
okay,
so
in
regards
to
the
fence
just
to
reiterate
this
dark,
this
heavy
line
here
is
the
fence
line,
and
what
we
intend
to
do
is
again.
This
is
the
neighbor.
This
is
a
506.
J
A
throwable
is
a
newer,
newer
construction,
we're
going
to
mimic
their
their
six
foot,
we're
not
going
to
do
the
fence
in
the
front,
the
small
one
we're
gonna
mimic
the
six
foot,
vinyl
fence
that
they
have
around
each
of
these
homes,
the
502
and
504,
that's
our
hope,
anyways
and
then
to
clarify
the
24
inch
overhang
that
that
was
incorporated.
I
know.
J
Specifically
call
it
out
during
the
presentation,
but
the
overhangs
are
going
to
be
two
by
six
scabbed
on,
but
they
will
be
24
inches
long
and
then
to
address
the
comment.
Slash
concern
about
this
side
of
the
house,
and
I
know
from
previous
submittals
that
you
guys
loved
when
we
stacked
the
windows
and
again
it
was
kind
of
like
a
jenga
situation
where
you're
trying
to
finagle
the
floor
plan.
J
I
think
that
if
I
tweak
it
hard
enough
and
work,
I
think
I
can
get
to
a
spot
where
I
can
add
a
window
here
just
to
give
this
kind
of
a
full.
You
know
avoid
that
void
section.
I
think
I
can
make
that
work.
J
Yes,
so
we,
the
good
thing
about
doing
the
two
houses
in
a
row,
is
that
we
actually
are
so
I'll,
be
in
line
with
the
awesome
billionaire
store
and
then
also
right
in
line
with
the
front
porch
of
this
home.
So
they're,
all
three
kind
of
we're
used
to
doing
the
the
setback
averages
so
we're
basically
in
line
with
506.,
as
is
proposed,
we're
in
line
with
5.6.
J
E
J
What
what
happens
is
if
you
use
a
real
brick,
then
they
end
up
sticking
out
further
than
that
freeze
board
and
it
just
looks
awkward
aesthetically
so
so,
especially
for
the
for
the
the
stem
wall
faux
columns,
the
brick
veneer
works
best,
in
my
opinion,
the
the
they
again
they
look.
I
mean
I'll,
give
you
the
picture
again.
J
E
E
E
J
So
again,
circling
back
around
I've
got
a
24
inch
long
2x6
tail
here
with
b
board
on
the
top
side,
it's
going
to
be
hardy,
siding
standard,
hardy,
siding
six
inch
reveal
all
the
trim
on
the
windows
and
the
corners
will
be
the
two
by
framing
material.
So
it's
over
an
inch
and
a
half
thick,
we'll
give
you
that
reveal
once
more.
J
Our
our
frame
windows
nail
fin
are
inset
recessed
beyond
what
they
typically
are
and
then,
with
the
framing
around
that
it
gives
you
a
real
nice
reveal
same
thing
with
downstairs
a
block.
It's
going
to
be
inset
because
it's
a
block
window
coming
down.
As
you
can
see
on
the
other
photos
here,
the
siding
is
going
to
start
with.
I
guess,
what's
called
a
freeze
band,
something
like
that.
J
Are
there
any
other
questions
particular
pertaining
to
the
wall.
Section.
J
It's
two
inches
two
inches
recessed
from
the
face
of
the
sheathing.
D
J
J
C
Sir
you've
made
as
part
of
your
presentation
this
evening
a
number
of
photographs,
past
product
of
yours,
within
the
hyde
park
and
surrounding
areas
have
you
submitted
those
photographs
as
part
of
your
proposal
package
to
staff
and
the
reason
why
I
bring
that
up
if
there
are
some
minor
detail,
inconsistencies
between
the
photographs
for
your
finished
product
versus
what
you
show
in
your
drawings
at
this
point
in
time.
C
A
key
item
as
an
example
is
your
garage
door
which
is
still
up
in
the
air
a
little
bit
sure,
but
you
have
a
very
solid
idea
of
what
you
want
to
do
by
your
photographic
record.
That's
right!
I'm
thinking
about
the
your
photographs
being
a
if
you
will
a
touchstone
for
staff
coordination
purposes,.
C
J
Believe
I
submitted
some
of
them
for
certain
examples
again,
the
garage
door,
I
believe,
I'm
pretty
sure
I
submitted
most
of
them
and
just
to
circle.
Back
on
that
comment,
I
I
don't
typically
like
to
reproduce
models
I
like
to
do
something
unique
each
time
I
figured
if
I
kind
of
went
by
the
guidelines
of
these,
where
we
were
approved
before,
and
everyone
loved
them
that
that
would
be
the
easiest
path
forward
again.
So
the
502
we're
talking
about
now.
K
C
Yeah,
I
understand
the
the
closeness
of
the
two
different
poles
between
what
has
passed
and
what
are
going
on.
Now.
However,
it
gets
to
be
sort
of
like
a
question
mark
as
to
what's
actually
going
to
happen
when
your
schematic
drawings
omit
some
of
the
detail
or
are
different
in
some
of
the
detail,
with
respect
to
what
you
show,
what
what
your
photographic
record
brings
to
us
sure
garage
doors,
one
entry
doors
are
another
one
that
I
have
a
question
on
your
photographs.
C
Do
very
very
well
explain
what
you're
planning
to
do
with
your
thin
brick
and
how
that
integrates
into
your
design
proposal.
So
to
me
that
becomes
an
important
part
of
your
package
right.
I
agree
agreed.
G
I
If
I
could
interject
ron
vila
staff
with
historic
preservation,
so
through
his
presentation
tonight,
he
showed
some
drawings
and
then
he
showed
some
illustrations
some
photos
and
he
did
a
complete
presentation
using
both
of
those
instruments,
as
he
moves
forward.
We're
going
to
review
the
drawings
that
come
forward
as
he
goes
to
his
construction
drawings.
So
the
drawing
the
the
images
that
he
showed
should
be
incorporated
into
his
final
drawings.
B
I
have
a
question
first,
first
step
with
the
house
being
on
a
corner
lot.
Can
you
just
confirm
that
the
six
foot
high
fence
is
appropriate
in
all
the
proposed
locations.
I
With
the
orientation
of
the
parcel
on
the
corner,
robos
is
the
front,
so
the
side
facing
central
avenue
does
meet
zoning
at
a
six
foot
high.
What
we
usually
request
is
that
he
sets
it
in
maybe
eight
inches
from
the
sidewalk
to
leave
a
little
buffering
for
the
pedestrian
and
do
a
small
planting
area
at
that
point,
not
putting
the
fence
all
the
way
to
the
sidewalk.
B
Perfect,
thank
you.
Can
we
see
your
elevation
that
shows
the
mechanical
units,
the
air
conditioning?
Yes,.
B
J
Yes,
the
the
only
reason
why
the
guy
put
all
together-
he-
I
think
he
just
has
this
too
far
back
I
can.
I
can
easily
move
this,
this
gate
forward
and
then
kind
of
shift
this
unit
kind
of
in
this
dead
area.
Here
perfect,
absolutely.
B
J
Not
as
it
stands,
I
did
think
about
that.
We
did
do
that.
We
were
requested
to
do
that
on
the
other
home,
but
that
home
was
visible
from
the
street.
This
one
will
be
completely
concealed
in
the
backyard
I
mean
as
it
sits
now.
There
is
no
plan.
If
that
is
a
deal
breaker
of
some
kind,
I
can.
I
can
look
at
that.
B
Okay,
I
don't
have
any
additional
questions.
A
A
J
A
J
A
C
A
J
Just
to
comment
on
the
garage
door
situation-
yeah,
I
mean
you
guys
know,
there's
a
lot
of
copic
stuff
going
on
with
with
a
supply
chain,
garage
doors
or
a
nightmare,
so
I
I
didn't
want
to
get
to
in
the
weeds
with
putting
a
door
on
there
and
then
then,
in
nine
months
the
door
shows
up
and
it's
a
little
different
because
it
wasn't
available.
I
just
didn't
know
how
to
address
that.
A
Understood
but
typically,
what
we
like
to
see
is
if,
if
there
is
a
discussion,
point
that
we've
made
tonight
and
we've
all
sort
of
agreed
to
a
direction
that
at
least
your
schematics
reflect
that,
because
we
do
understand
that-
and
most
of
us
are
in
the
building
industry
design
industry.
So
we
understand
that,
but
as
we're
having
these
discussions
and
as
you
work
with
staff,
things
are
going
to
change
anyway.
Right.
A
A
I
know
we
talked
about
balancing
out
the
east
elevation
for
me,
the
west
elevation.
I
just
wanted
to
understand
the
shifting
and
the
the
window
in
the
middle
there
at
the
top.
J
Again,
thinking
back
to
the
requests
in
the
past
about
stacking
windows,
what
I
did
is,
I
started
with
our
our
standard
layout
and
then
I
still
try
to
add
more
in
there
to
to
you
know:
appease
the
the
console,
the
the
one
odd
man
out
window
there,
that's
in
the
top
of
the
staircase
that
can
be
removed.
If
that
is
more.
A
No,
I
I
mean
to
be
honest,
historically
windows
replaced
is
needed
and,
and
we
tend
to
think
of
everything
as
being
symmetrical,
and
you
know
everything
has
to
have
a
place,
but
sometimes
it's
in
response
to
the
context.
So
these
questions
aren't
generally
to
say:
thou
shalt
just
try
to
understand
the
thinking
behind
where
you
landed.
J
Yeah
so
even
like
in
this
front
master,
it
really
breaks
my
heart
to
have
like
you
know
these
two
here
and
then
this
one.
It
really
just
kind
of
kills
your
standard
like
bedroom
wall,
tv
wall,
you
know
it
the
more.
I
add
the
more
wonky
it
gets.
My
personal
opinions.
I
try
to
balance
those
two
the
best
I
can.
A
Understood
understood:
okay,
let
me
see
if
I
have
any
other.
A
J
Yeah
and
then
just
to
reiterate
we're
going
to
be
doing
away
with
the
walkway
there
that
kind
of
goes
nowhere,
we're
going
to
repair
the
knee
wall,
that's
there
and
then
we're
going
to
restore.
I
But
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
the
fence
discussion
in
tampa
heights.
They
have
some
unique
language
that
I
like
to
share
with
you
absolutely.
I
Fences
that
may
increase
in
height
to
a
maximum
of
a
six
foot
high
behind
the
setback,
so
basically
what's
illustrating
here-
is
that
there's
no
fencing
here
to
here.
This
portion
of
the
fence
needs
to
drop
down
to
four
foot
to
get
to
the
back
of
the
house
or
just
move
this
back
to
the
rear
of
the
house
connected
to
the
rear
house,
then
go
six
foot
to
to
the
the
central
avenue
and
then
to
the
north.
So.
J
J
J
Gable,
the
gable
the
the
large.
D
J
D
J
No,
so
we're
doing
we're
doing
no
mullions.
Okay,
we
get
into
the
weeds
with
the
true
divided
glass,
so
I
just
just
go
normally
on
these
on
this
house.
All
right,
that's
all!
I
have.
A
No
all
right
that!
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry.
F
Dan,
I
just
want
to
remind
you
that
you've
shown
us
a
door
without
side
lights,
on
the
submission
right
and
the
drawings,
but
it's
going
to
have
side
lights
set
correct.
Yes,
okay!
So
that's
another
note
that
you
can
give
your.
E
G
Commissioners,
as
dennis
fernandez
administrator
just
if
someone
could
kind
of
serve
as
scrivener,
I
think
that
these
changes
need
to
be
part
of
the
motion,
so
that
specific,
when
it
comes
back
to
the
staff,
we
have
the
ability
to
kind
of
make
sure
it
meets
your
expectations.
A
Agreed,
thank
you
all
right.
We
will
allow
you
five
minutes
now
for
rebuttal.
If
you
have
any
comments
that
you'd
like
to
make
to
enter
into
the
record.
J
No,
that's
basically
what
I
have
to
present
again
a
couple
of
things
like
the
door
and
whatnot.
I
admittedly
last
minute
I
thought
about
some
other
things
that
may
make
it
more
appealing
the
door
itself
didn't
make
it
on
the
on
the
elevation
and
the
the
single
sided
make
on
the
garage
elevation.
So
those
are
the
reason
for
the
disconnect
there,
but
other
than
that,
I
think
that's
all
I
wanted
to
present
tonight
on
this
one.
Thank.
A
F
I
would
like
to
discuss
the
stacked
windows
in
the
in
the
math,
where
you
know
we're
adding
a
window
in
the
master
bedroom
in
order
to
get
a
stacked.
Look
yes
on
the
east
side
and
we're
not
adding
a
window
on
the
west
side
because
and
it
appears
to
be
a
little
vacant
over
there.
F
F
A
A
C
B
B
To
align
with
page
69
of
the
desired
guidelines
that
the
fence,
gate
and
ac
unit
are
shifted
toward
the
front
of
the
main
structure.
To
alleviate
conflict
with
the
window
that
the
accessory
structure
elevation
is
updated
to
reflect
the
freeze
board,
shingles,
brackets
and
pitch
of
the
roof
to
match
the
pitch
of
the
main
structure's
roof,
and
that
the
front
elevation
is
updated
to
reflect
the
front
door
and
sidelights
proposed
at
tonight's
hearing,
because,
based
upon
the
finding
effect,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
tampa
heights.
Design.
B
Guidelines
for
the
city
of
tampa
for
the
following
reasons
that
the
massing
setback,
alignment
and
term
and
detail
is
consistent
with
the
guidelines.
F
I
I
The
request
is
new
construction
for
a
primary
structure.
This
one
also
has
a
detached
accessory
structure
with
some
site
improvements.
Moving
to
the
photo
presentation.
This
is
our
vicinity.
Map
property
in
question
is
highlighted
in
the
green
box.
This
is
just
to
the
east
of
the
site
that
we
just
saw.
This
is
on
robos
faces
robos.
I
I
I
To
the
east,
you
have
this
new
construction
that
came
in
it
was
reviewed
and
approved.
This
is
an
important
reference
to
use
for
the
front
yard
averaging
and
elevation
from
grade,
as
he
did
on
the
on
the
previous
model.
This
is
just
looking
at
some
of
the
structures
in
the
immediate
vicinity
this
is
robos
to
and
then
across
the
street
to
the
south.
This
is
a
non-contributing
structure.
I
J
J
I
thought
going
with
a
one
story.
Next
to
the
two
story
is
a
nice
change
of
a
facade.
You
know
massing
a
little
bit
of
a
massing
difference
there.
We
originally
started
with
a
portica
share
off
the
right
side.
The
spacing
didn't
work.
We
have
that
big
tree
off
there
off
to
the
left,
so
we
kind
of
made
some
tweaks
got
rid
of
the
the
portico.
J
We
have
a
one
car
garage
in
the
back.
The
ribbon
drive
historical
scoring
is
illustrated
there
again.
If
you
look
down
here,
you'll
have
the
welcome
walls
on
either
side
of
this
nice,
big
nice
big
steps,
and
then
you
have
the
the
walkway
that
turns
into
the
driveway
we
at
the
behest
of
the
suggestion
of
the
arc
we
kind
of
scooted.
This
we've
shortened
the
apron
and
scooted
this
driveway.
As
far
over
as
we
could
to
try
to
eliminate
that
kind
of
strange
jag
in
the
in
the
driveway.
J
All
traditional
setbacks
were
adhered
to.
If
you
look
here
as
well
again
referring
to
the
dark
line,
this
is
the
fencing,
six
foot,
vinyl
fence
and
actually
on
this
one.
I
I'm
not
a
proponent
of
putting
a
fence
across
a
driveway,
so
actually
this
one
kind
of
turns
and
dies
into
the
garage
back
here.
So
this
is
actually
open
and
then
this
back
area
is
fenced
in.
J
Moving
on
to
the
elevation,
just
kind
of
give
you
a
perspective
of
size,
of
the
rear
porch,
with
some
inset
steps
here
off
of
the
driveway
and
then
a
little
bit
closer
view
of
the
welcome
walls
off
the
columns
and
then
the
wide
stairs.
J
Actually,
I'm
sorry,
let
me
go
with
the
elevation
of
the
main
structure.
First
again
same
kind
of
issue
with
the
the
printing,
the
roof
kind
of
printed
out
in
a
strange
format,
but
a
very
shingle
single
roof
on
this
and
then
again
referring
back
to
this
is
a
good
example
here.
This
is
our
3d
mock-up
of
this
house.
Again,
it's
going
to
tie
in
pretty
close
to
the
house
next
door.
You
have
the
the
windows
dying
into
the
freeze
band
there,
your
shingle
siding
you
have
brackets
again.
J
You
have
a
gable
vents
here,
two
foot
overhangs
again,
two
by
six
rafter
tails
scabbed
on
at
the
end,
you've
got
the
two
by
framing
material
as
a
trim,
two
inch
thick
sill
on
all
the
windows
and
we're
gonna
gonna,
clad
the
welcome
walls
to
match
the
columns.
J
J
I'm
going
back
here
to
the
elevations,
the
ac
equipment's
in
the
back
of
the
house.
You
can
see
here,
it's
illustrated
it's
kind
of
blurry,
but
again
this
is
the
shingle
siding,
cable
vents
on
this
with
the
freeze
board.
Above
you
have
the
the
brackets
on
both
of
these
cables
matching
shingle
and
freezeboard.
Here
you
can
see
an
elevation
here.
It's
going
to
be
the
brick
veneer
over
stem
wall
to
mimic
the
period
appropriate
piers.
J
J
J
J
Another
look
at
the
hurricane
impact
mi
vinyl
windows.
They
will
be
inset
into
the
openings
with
the
thicker
trim.
The
two
inch
trim
so
you'll
have
a
nice
again.
A
nice
reveal
as
another
fact.
This
is
a
good
perspective
here
as
to
what
that
window
will
end
up
really.
Looking
like
nice,
big
reveal
on
the
back
and
then
you'll
see
the
yeah
very
deep
inset
down
the
sides.
J
Reference
back
to
the
type
of
columns,
the
4x4
material
cut
and
made
on
site
to
fit
depending
on
the
way
it
lays
out,
and
then
this
is
an
example
of
the
brick
veneer
that
will
be
used.
Hopefully,
we
use
for
the
column
bases
the
welcome
walls
and
then
the
pier
that
appears
on
the
side
of
the
stem
wall
then
jump
back
over
to
the
elevation
or
the
the
cut
section.
J
J
J
I
Good
evening,
commissioners
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation
for
504
east
robots.
The
request
was
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction,
for
the
construction
of
the
primary
structure
for
the
detached
accessory
structure
with
some
site
improvements
statistics.
This
application
is
consistent
with
the
tampa
heights
design
guidelines
that
were
submitted
into
our
office
for
review.
I
I
One
is
the
to
revisit
the
placement
of
the
welcome
walls
and
the
peers
on
the
on
the
front,
and
then
it
seems
that
there's
a
an
odd
number
of
peers
associated
with
the
left
elevation.
I
think
it
might
be
on
the
right
elevation
too,
but
I
just
saw
the
left
elevation.
The
cadence
down
the
side
seems
like
there's,
there's
very
many,
I'm
sure
he
could
eliminate
every
other
one,
probably
as
he
moves
forward
to
be
more
appropriate
with
the
cadence
of
a
historic
home.
E
J
I
can
go
smallest
flare
that
they'll
allow
me
we
went
down,
I
believe,
from
a
six
to
a
five
or
four.
If
there's
a
little
bit
more
leeway,
I
would.
I
would
prefer
to
have
a
straight
driveway
if
they
would
give
me
some
leeway
on
the
building
side
with
that
flare.
A
B
J
J
A
B
J
I
mean
I
didn't
bring
any
with
me
today.
I'm
sure
I
can
find
some,
but
that's
how
I've
seen
them
is
like
that,
including
I
owned
a
1956
bungalow
on
west
comanche
for
12
years.
It
was
like
that
again,
I'm
open
to
discussion,
but
I
just
thought
visually
that
kind
of
looked
the
best.
I
agree
it
kind
of
poses
a
challenge
for
the
stair
situation,
so
I
mean
I'm
open
to
okay
to
look
at
that
further
and
then.
J
I
don't
have
the
actual
schematic
of
the
bracket
again
they're
built
on
site
to
fit
the
condition
again
if
it's
over
a
vent
or
if
it's
over
it
ends
up
being
over.
So
last
time
we
built
these
amino
came
out,
talked
to
us
on
site
and
and
actually
requested.
We
put
them
in
a
certain
spot
so
that
again
they're
built
by
by
our
framers
on
site
at
the
time
of
sighting.
Okay,.
C
I
would
like
to
take
a
visit
at
your
front.
Porch,
please,
okay,
there
are
a
couple
elements
here
that
perhaps
might
need
some
either
further
explanation
or
some
tweaking
sure.
C
First
of
all,
I
understand
what
you're
doing
with
your
welcome
walls
right
but,
like
you
had
shown
us
in
your
prior
photograph,
what
you
had
done
is
you've
actually
taken
those
steps
that
leads
up
onto
that
porch
deck
and
extended
those
all
the
way
over
to
the
welcome
wall,
as
opposed
to
having
a
freestanding
element,
as
you
are
showing
here
right,
would
you
be
inclined
to
extend
those
landings
to
the
welcome
walls
so
that
it
becomes
like
this
more
of
a
monolithic
element
yeah,
as
opposed
to
something
that's
been
chopped
up
within
the
landscape?
C
That
way
the
steps,
the
welcome
walls,
the
columns
all
are
tied
into
as
being
the
same
elements,
that's
right
because
normally
with
the
welcome
walls,
although
you
are
correct,
are
normally
shown
with
respect
to
their
peers
and
columns.
Those
peers
and
columns
are
also
right
beside
the
steps
themselves.
Okay,
which
is
not
the
situation
that
you
are
providing
here.
Sure,
if
you
were
to
extend
it
as
you
are
showing
here,
I
think
there
might
be
a
greater
degree
of
consistency
that
gives
that
you
know
of
a
valid
a
valid
point
for
existing
sure
now.
C
In
addition
to
this,
as
a
valid
point
of
view
for
existing
on
this
front
porch,
if
I
read
the
drawings
correctly,
I
see
also
not
just
the
front
main
stair,
but
I
see
a
minor
side
stair
to
the
to
the
apron.
Can
you
explain
how
that's
actually
going
to
work,
because
I
almost
see
this
as
being?
If
you
will,
if
you
will
a
tripping
hazard
sure,
because
you
don't
have
a
very
large
porch
to
live
on
or
to
work
with
and
now
all
of
a
sudden,
you
have
this
whole.
J
Sure
so,
to
be
frank
with
you
about
that
again,
typically,
we
build
this.
This
style
home
we
have
a
pork
share.
I'd
have
to
ask
for
a
variance
and
all
that
I
don't
go
on
that
route.
So,
typically
those
stairs
are
there
for
you
park.
You
can
park
underneath
the
port
cashier,
you
can
walk
up
on
the
porch
go
inside
without
getting
wet.
That's,
ideally
how
it's
how
the
idea
started,
leaving
them.
There
was
a
decision
in
that.
J
If
you
parked
anywhere
alongside
your
home,
you
know
you
have
to
walk
back
around
to
your
to
the
walkway
and
go
so
it's
just
another
means
of
egress
or
you
know
a
way
to
get
onto
the
porch.
If
you're
parked
along
the
side,
I'm
not
opposed
to
not
having
them
there,
but
I
thought
it
would
be
a
convenience
store.
C
Well,
the
question
I
have
of
related
to
this
is:
is
this
being
built
on
a
speculative
basis,
or
do
you
actually
have
a
client
and
on
hand
for
this
suspect.
J
C
So
I
was
going
to
add
you
know.
Perhaps
you
know
this
would
be
a
discussion
to
have
with
a
potential
client.
Do
they
want
that
square
footage
either
for
access
or
for
their
front
porch
sure,
there's
a
there's,
an
element
to
be
weighed
there,
because
it
takes
up
enough
room
and
enough
access
way
that
it
steals
away
from
the
utility
of
let's
say
a
sitting
area
on
the
front
porch.
C
I'm
not
saying
it
can't
be
decorative,
but
you
know
it
all
depends
on
how
you
want
to
end
up
using
this
thing
right,
because
I
do
know
that
on
the
back
porch,
you
also
have
that
side
entry.
But
that's
you
know
that
works
in
that
respect,
because
you're
not
you're,
not
fighting
between
two
different
stair
orientations.
There
sure.
J
J
Two
by
two
by
ten
or
a
one
by
ten,
I'm
sorry,
it's
a
two
by
ten
framing
member
on
this
side.
Okay,.
D
J
So
this
this
is
this
model
with
an
eight
foot
door.
So
we
always,
we
always
keep
our
lentil
or
our
header
height
for
our
windows,
always
at
eight,
regardless
of
the
door.
I
just
think
that
with
eight
foot
door,
it
really
just
ties
in
to
the
rest
of
the
house
a
lot
better
and
then
again,
instead
of
going
like
the
house
next
door,
the
side
lights
just
go
a
little
bit
taller,
just
again
kind
of
change
up
the
facade
best.
We
can.
F
Would
you
be
willing
to
lower
the
top
of
the
stonework
on
the
front
on
those
front
columns,
lower
the
column
base
yeah
to
the
sill
height?
Oh
sure,
it's
no
problem
that
also
makes
those
tapered
columns
of
the
tapered
columns
above
a
little
more
elongated,
which
yep.
F
And
oh,
the
the
door
that
you
showed
us
was
the
front
door
right
had
an
odd
finish.
That's
not
the
finish
that
you
intended.
Is
that
correct?
When
I
showed
you
the
picture.
J
J
J
F
F
All
right
and
the
stairs
I
know
everybody's
got
an
opinion
about
the
stairs
on
the
on
the
front
right.
Yes,
but
if
you
were
to
move
those
over
then
that
extends
your
walkway.
You
know
like
18
inches,
but
then
it
allows
it
allows
for
the
installation
of
a
handrail.
Should
you
need
it
right
right
and
allows
you
to
plant,
perhaps
in
front
of
the
rest
of
the
porch,
eliminating
the
need
to
extend
the
stairs,
or
so
that's
just
another
possibility
for
that
front.
Porch
configuration
sure.
J
A
No
further
questions.
Okay,
can
we
look
at
your
elevations
for
the
didn't
you
have
yeah
at
the
front?
Can
you
zoom
in
to
the
front
elevation?
Please.
A
A
J
That's
a
full
two
foot
and
then
the
tails
themselves
are
beefed
up
to
two
by
six
okay
versus
the
two
by
four
that
they
stand
to
it
come
standard.
J
E
J
E
F
Susan
one
more
comment,
and-
and
this
is
very
minor,
however,
given
the
scale
of
the
garage
you
might
want
to
cut
that
back
to
one
foot
four.
A
They
tend
to,
they
tend
to
scale
down,
as
you
go
from
primary
to
accessory,
and
especially
this
is
a
smaller
project
than
the
one
that
you
presented
before.
So
you
really
need
to
look
to
your
historic
models
for
consistency
sure,
but
I
agree
with
that
that
comment
that
suggestion.
I
think
anybody.
I
agree.
C
C
B
B
Okay
and
then
at
the
front
elevation
will
you
have
any
lighting
on
the
front
of
the
home
main
main
structure.
J
On
the
on
the
front
yeah,
so
we
do
it's
hard
to
see
started
seeing
this
picture,
we
do
a
single
sconce
to
the
right
of
the
door,
and
then
we
have
recess,
can
lighting
in
the
in
the
port
ceiling
great
yep.
Thank
you
no
problem.
This
is
the.
This
is
the
light.
We
intend
to
use
the
carriage
lightweight
to
use
on
the
next
to
the
front
door
and
on
the
side
of
the
garage,
something
very
similar
to
that.
J
Don't
record
so
again,
just
we
just
try
to
somewhat
mimic
what
we
are
already
done,
trying
to
tell
all
the
most
important
points.
I
thought
you
guys
might
take
a
liking
to
and
again
I'm
open
for
discussion
on
a
couple
things.
I
want
to
work
with
you
and
do
something
nice.
I've
been
building
in
this
neighborhood
for
seven
years,
so
I'm
very
vested
and
I
care
about
the
product
that
we
put
out
and
the
historical
accuracy
of
it.
So.
A
A
C
C
Mean
if
it
wasn't
exist,
if
it
wasn't
an
existing
throat
already,
I
can
see
how
you
can
make
an
argument
or
a
point
with
the
traffic
and
the
roadway
people
and
say
this
is
what
I
got
you
know.
Let
me
work
with
it.
J
A
A
So
if,
if
we
look
at
the
photo
essay
component
that
we
have
on
file,
there
was
an
existing
driveway
and
from
based
on
what
we
were
told
here
tonight.
The
intent
is
to
take
that
out,
so
they
can
move
it
over
and
you
can
see
on
the
site
plan,
the
ghost
of
where
it
is
currently,
and
that
would
be
very
difficult
to
align
that
to
a
new
driveway
to
the
side,
and
I
think
the
fact
that
he's
they
have
moved
that
drive
as
far
over
as
they
possibly
can
per
current
transportation
requirements.
A
A
So
imagine,
if
you
had
cars,
stacked
and
people
are
getting
out
how?
How
difficult
it
would
be
for
the
driver's
side
to
do
so,
so
I
do
think
that
there
there
is
truly
a
an
issue
here,
both
from
that
and
then
the
alignment
of
the
curb
cut.
A
A
Of
it
so
that
it's
usable-
because
you
could
still
I
mean-
I
think
it's
gonna-
be
tight
anyway.
Skin
back
there
with,
however
many
trees,
they're
keeping,
but
allowing
some
many.
C
C
Almost
almost
like
you'd
want
to
line
it
up
to
that
that
sidewall
of
the
garage.
E
A
A
E
F
A
D
D
H
G
So
all
in
favor.
G
Dennis
fernandez,
architects
review
historic
preservation
manager,
I
believe
the
mirroring
question
that
came
up
during
your
discussion,
the
tree,
that's
in
the
lower
left
corner
of
the
site
plan,
I
believe,
is
affecting
the
ability
to
place
the
driveway
there
as
well,
but
ron-
and
I
were
talking
about
potentially
about
administrative
solution
that
may
be
able
to
accommodate
some
additional
space.
We
would
need
to
discuss
that
with
the
transportation
division,
we're
pretty
confident
that
it
we
can
work
through
it
if
it's
just
delegated
to
us
to
work
through.
G
Driving
down
the
side
of
the
the
west
east
side
of
the
house,.
A
G
So
I
I
I
think
we
can
get
there.
We
just
need
some
time
and
the
right
people
in
the
room.
D
G
G
That's
part
of
the
solution
that
we're
considering,
but
once
again,
there's
processes
that
need
to
be
checked
off
on
that.
I
believe
the
house
immediately
to
the
east
of
it.
That's
exactly
what
happened
there
is
that
there
was
a.
There
was
a
pretty
large
obstacle
with
that
particular
driveway,
and
there
was
some
adjustment
to
try
to
minimize
it,
although
it's
still
pretty
prominent
in
the
in
the
front,
so.
G
It's
not
going
to
be
a
variance,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
probably
a
design
exception,
process
and
it'll
be
administrative,
so
we
I
don't
think
that
would
want
to
lead
them
to
a
variance
process.
It's
going
to
be
a
site
plan
adjustment
and.
C
D
J
G
I
believe,
that's
you
know
the
process
if
it
was
going
to
be
anything
greater
than
that
it
would
have
to
come
back
to
you.
That's
what
I.
A
G
Possibly,
an
administrative
process
would
allow
for
a
12-foot
adjustment
to
the
east
to
the
west
property
line.
Okay,.
G
So
it
would
be
just
a
slight
positioning
of
the
of
the
primary
structure.
The
accessory
structure
would
most
likely
remain
in
the
same
place,
and
we
would
try
to
limit
that
jog
in
the
the
ribbon
to
try
to
keep
that
as
much
in
alignment
as
we
could.
A
E
G
Prefer
variants
then
that's
a
different
process
and
I
think
we
would
need
to
have
that
discussion
with
the
you.
J
It's
probably
within
12
inches
now
as
it
sits
now.
So
so,
let's
be
clear,
I
I
chopped
off
the
portica
share
to
avoid
the
variance
process,
so
I
don't
want
to
go
on
that
route
right,
I'm,
okay
again,
if
we
can
get
a
waiver
to
shorten
the
flare
to
a
foot
or
two,
I
think
that
will
kick
it
over,
but
then
again
we
still
have
the
issue
of
it.
Touching
the
house,
I
mean
I'm
open
to
anything
that
does
not
there's
a.
D
H
Now,
before
you
close
the
hearing,
can
you
please
allow
the
applicant
just
if
he
has
any
final
rebuttal
from
every
everything.
J
J
Sure,
absolutely
so,
just
to
clarify
too
and
add
some
more
information.
It's
a
five
foot.
It
went
from
a
six
to
a
five
foot
flare
just
to
try
to
straighten
it
out.
I've
seen
flares
new
construction
less
than
that,
so
that
may
be
an
avenue,
but
talking
with
you
guys
here
today,
I
do.
I
would
prefer
a
buffer
of
some
kind
between
the
house
and
the
driveway.
J
E
A
A
And
I'm
going
to
get
it
off
the
house
a
little
bit
right.
A
more
usable
solution
agreed
any
other
comments
about
this
particular
item.
C
C
Yeah,
the
only
thing
I
can
add
to
this
is
that
I
think
we
would
be
very
happy
to
have
as
much
buffer
as
we
possibly
can
have
under
the
tightness
of
the
circumstance
without
having
to
literally
put
the
screws
to
everyone.
You
know
every
little
inch
on
either
side
or
whatever
would
really
count
to
the
benefit
of
this
project
and
the
layout
of
the
site,
and
it's
not
our
business,
to
dictate
how
much
and
where
this
needs
to
happen.
C
I
think
this
is
a
point
of
negotiation
between
yourself
staff
and
the
other
folks
downtown
to
to
come
up
to
an
amicable
solution
to
give
up
as
much
space
as
we
possibly
can.
The
intention
here
really
is
to
create
enough
buffer
between
this
driveway
and
and
its
ribbon.
C
D
A
Actually
think,
there's
a
solution
staring
staring
them
right
in
the
face
I
mean
this
is
a
small
house
to
begin
with
and
you're
trying
to
do
a
lot
and
sometimes
editing
just
does
a
wonderful
thing.
A
I
think
by
readdressing
the
front
stairs
and
the
in
the
walls
and
the
walk
and
how
they
address
one
another
you're
allowing
yourself
to
sort
of
make
this
entry
condition
that,
and
especially,
if
you're
able
to
move
away
from
the
ribbon
a
little
bit
that
allows
you
to
have
that
flow
from
the
side
ribbon,
as
well
as
from
the
the
front
stair
right.
So
I
think
by
renegotiating
the
the
primary
stair
at
the
front
in
those
walls,
those
welcome
walls.
A
I
think
you'll
find
a
comfortable
solution
for
the
future
homeowners
and
I
don't
think
you
need
that
side,
because
I
agree
with
commissioner
sutton's
comment
earlier-
that
it's
a
really
small
space
and
we
all
love
our
front
porches.
Those
of
us
who
have
them-
I
don't
have
one,
but
when
I
go
to
people's
houses
and
they
do
it's
just
lovely-
to
sit
there
and
to
give
that
over
to
a
stair
that
you
really
don't
need.
A
B
I
have
a
are
we
okay
with
the
detail
of
brackets
being
decided
on
site,
or
is
that
something
that
we
need
approved
by
staff.
A
A
C
And
we
also
have
the
benefit
here
of
a
builder
who
who's
done
this
before
yeah.
Okay,
he's
demonstrated
product,
so
it's
not
as
if
we
have
an
unknown
situation
on
our
hands
here.
D
B
A
All
right,
so,
when
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
yeah,
I
think
we're
tagging
you
again.
B
A
J
A
I
I
The
request
is
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
new
construction,
for
an
addition
to
the
primary
structure.
They're
going
to
do
some
modifications
to
that
contributing
structure
with
some
site
improvements
moving
through
the
photo
presentation
on
this
request,
I'm
going
to
start
with
a
sanborn
map.
I
Sanborn
map
is
showing
the
parcel
in
question
is
indicated
in
the
green
parcel.
It
does
face
oak
avenue
to
get
a
sense
of
place.
You
have
palm
avenue
to
the
north.
You
have
oak.
That
is
immediately
abutting
the
front
facade,
and
then
you
have
7th
avenue
to
the
south.
As
you
go
from
west
to
east,
you
have
florida
avenue,
you
have
morgan
street
and
then
you
have
jefferson.
I
I
I
I
Looking
towards
the
rear,
does
have
a
one
story
portion
of
the
building
that
engages
to
a
two-story
volume
in
the
rear
that
was
original
to
the
structure,
going
back
to
the
front
elevation
just
kind
of
capitalizing
on
some
of
the
elements
that
are
there,
you
see
the
the
trim,
the
historic
trim
seems
to
be
in
place
in
the
proportion
of
the
windows,
but
the
windows
themselves
have
been
removed,
does
have
a
shake
shingle
metal
roof
associated
with
the
facade.
This
is
looking
at
the
budding
structure.
I
I
A
K
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
alan
dobbs
5502,
north
cherokee
avenue,
I'm
with
florida
design
studio.
It's
kind
of
interesting
when
I
started
florida
design
studio
in
2005.
My
office
was
right
across
the
street
from
this
house,
and
I
always
kind
of
admired
this
house
and
it
looks
exactly
like
it
did
back
in
2005,
although
the
back
obviously
is
in
bad
disrepair.
K
So
my
client
just
recently
purchased
this
property
and
what
he
wants
to
do
is
is
add
some
additional
square
footage.
In
addition
to
the
obvious
exterior
improvements
and
also
renovating
the
back,
we
were
going
to
do
a
detached
garage,
but
we
removed
that
from
the
petition
because
we
realized,
since
it
has
an
rm
zoning
classification.
K
K
K
But
this
is
the
two-story
portion
across
the
back
and
then
there's
a
simple
gable,
a
ridge
and
a
front
facing
gable
and
then
so
we're
going
to
be
building
out
space
within
the
attic,
which
is
why
we
have
the
dormers
and
also
you'll,
see
some
skylights
or
roof
windows
additional
living
space
on
the
back
here
we
might
have
to
end
up
rebuilding
this,
but
if
we
do
we're
going
to
try
and
rebuild
it
back
in
kind
and
then
obviously
and
then
a
one
story
porch
across
the
back,
the
site
improvements
are
vehicular
access
off
the
alley
because
there's
no
way
to
have
it
from
the
front
and
along.
K
And
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
just
a
few
pictures,
because
I'll
refer
to
certain
parts
of
this,
so
just
keep
it
in
your
memory
when
I
go
through
the
elevations,
but
you
know
some
of
the
the
details
are
really
great
on
this
house,
like
these
welcome
walls
and
the
concrete
steps,
that's
going
to
be
removed
and
we're
going
to
do
a
new
foundation
closure,
and
I
have
a
detail
for
that.
K
The
the
columns
and
the
siding
around
the
front
porch
that
original
front
porch
was
enclosed
and
part
of
it,
and
so
this
is
the
part
that
was
enclosed.
They
actually
did
a
different
kind
of
sighting.
It's
like
a
drop
lap
sighting,
but
the
original
columns
are
there
and
they're
in
good
condition,
and
then
the
windows
and
the
casing
and
trim
are
of
the
period,
but
obviously
there's
aluminum
windows,
so
those
will
be
replaced
and
again
the
foundation
enclosure
there.
K
Here's
a
here's,
a
view
from
the
other
corner.
The
porch
is
screened
in,
and
my
client
currently
is
planning
on.
Keeping
it
screened
in
the
wood
is
all
in
pretty
good
shape.
This
railing
is
in
pretty
good
shape.
They
just
have
plywood
over
it
for
security
and
then
also
that
metal
awning
will
be
the
very
first
thing
to
go.
I'm
surprised,
my
client
hasn't
already
done
it,
so
this
is
actually
the
inside
of
the
porch,
so
you
can
see
the
plywood.
K
So
again
you
see
the
column
and
the
detail
and
the
bead
board
we're
replicating
that
on
the
back
porch
as
far
as
the
ceiling
treatment
and
the
and
the
ceiling
to
a
beam
trim
and
then
looking
towards
this
is
where
the
entry
steps
are
right
here.
K
There
here's
another
view.
This
shows
the
original
window.
Typically,
the
front-facing
window
on
the
these
homes
are
larger
than
the
windows
on
the
side,
which
is
the
case
here,
but
you
can
see
it
was
replaced
with
aluminum
window.
The
other
windows
are
like
this
again,
all
the
original
casing
and
trim.
K
Is
there
typical,
four
and
a
half
inch
wide
casing
on
the
sides
and
the
head
a
drip
cap,
and
then
you
have
a
like
a
three
quarter:
ten
inch
overhang
at
these
four
corners,
the
siding
is
we're
going
to
replicate
the
siding
on
all
the
on
the
new
work
on
the
back.
Obviously,
it's
in
very
bad
shape,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
point
out
this
gable
and
vent
because
we're
going
to
replicate
that
on
the
other
side
and
then
I'm
sure
you
all
are
curious.
K
K
So
one
last
thing
I'll
just
point
out
in
the
site
is
I
decided
to
move
the
air
conditioning
from
over
here
to
over
here,
because
this
has
the
potential
to
be
more
of
a
public
side
of
the
house
with
the
vehicular
parking
here.
This
is
where
the
kitchen
window
is
so
it
seemed
like
it's
a
little
less
of
a
little
more
obscure
back
here
in
so
looking
at
the
floor
plans.
K
K
So
this
will
all
be
two
stories
here
and
this
is
where
we're
going
to
do
the
porch
and
then
there's
some
miscellaneous
modifications
on
the
interior
of
the
house
that
doesn't
affect
the
exterior
and
I'm
going
through
the
plants,
because
it
kind
of
explains
why
the
elevations
are
the
way
they
are
as
far
as
window
placement
and
things
like
that
so
yeah,
the
kitchen
is
redone
here,
so
this
becomes
all
sort
of
utilitarian
kind
of
space.
K
This
becomes
like
a
mud
room,
the
stairs
go
around
and
up
and
over
so
you
have
a
little
half
bath
or
powder
bath.
There.
You
have
some
little
storage,
cubbies
and
washer
and
dryer,
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
there'll
be
storage,
underneath
the
steps
and
then
anybody
with
a
pet
will
be
nice
they'll,
be
glad
to
hear
there's
a
little
pet
room
underneath
the
stairs
there
and
then
the
porch
on
the
back.
It's
just
a
very
simple,
eight
foot,
deep
porch,
it
doesn't
go
the
full
width
of
the
house.
K
Is
these
are
all
the
existing
windows,
but
here
with
the
addition
just
for
cost
and
to
sort
of
differentiate
a
new
from
existing
we're
just
doing
a
single
window
in
the
front
and
back
which
will
be
the
same
size
as
these
and
then
we'll
do
a
pair
of
windows
and
you'll
see
how
that
kind
of
works
in
the
elevation.
K
The
real
challenge
on
this
house
was
trying
to
create
living
space
within
the
attic
because,
although
you
can
stand
up
in
the
attic,
the
height
head
height
is
pretty
limited,
so
we
did
relatively
narrow
dormers
because
the
wider
they
get
the
higher
the
ridge
gets.
We
wanted
to
keep
the
ridge
of
the
dormers
lower
than
the
main
ridge
of
the
house.
So
basically
we
have
seven
foot
ceilings
up
here,
so
it
actually
lays
out
pretty
nice.
You
have
a
bathroom
here
and
then
you
have
kind
of
open
space
here.
K
This
could
be
a
bedroom
and
then
this
is
the
area
where
we
have
the
skylight,
so
they're
kind
of
concealed
between
the
dormers.
The
reason
we
didn't
do
a
dormer
on
this
side
is
because
there's
a
chimney
right
there,
and
but
we
want
so.
The
majority
of
addition
is
on
the
back,
so
anything
forward
to
that
we
kept
very
minimal,
but
even
so,
it's
all
kept
back
from
the
front
to
respect
the
original
look
of
the
house
from
the
front.
K
That's
the
window
that
goes
away
that's
by
the
stairs
on
the
inside
and
then
when
you
look
at
the
the
new
elevation,
you
see
the
porch
here
and
it
the
roof
comes
down.
I
put
a
little
person
in
there
for
scale,
so
you
can
see
that
roof
comes
in
below
that
water
table
or
seal
line.
This
window
gets
filled
in
and
then
new
window
gets
added,
but
it's
a
lower
height.
It's
just
a
six
foot
eight
and
then
you
can
kind
of
see
the
dormers.
K
The
dormers
are
again
kept
narrow
and
to
keep
them
minimized
and
also
because
of
the
ceiling
height
issue.
But
you
can
see
the
the
roof
windows
or
skylights
and
then
the
windows
themselves,
they're
just
there's
no
divided
lights.
The
house
has
single
undivided
lights,
except
this
back
here
has
divided
lights,
which
we're
going
to
replicate
on
the
addition,
but
everything
else
is
just
no
divided
lights
and
it's
a
casement
window,
because
again,
that's
the
smallest
window,
where
you
can
have
egress.
K
This
window
right
here
technically
goes
away,
and
I
accidentally
left
in
here
so
there'd
be
no
window
here
and
then
those
are
the
two
new
paired
windows,
the
the
mo
or
yeah.
The
volume
between
them
will
be
the
same
as
the
the
ones
that
are
existing,
and
then
you
see
the
single
dormer,
all
the
all
the
foundation
screen
screen
closure.
That's
pretty
much
all
the
way
around
the
building
between
the
the
existing
brick
piers
on
the
back.
You
see
the
existing
elevation
and
then
it's
very
it's
a
very.
K
I
wish
I
would
have
brought
pictures
a
very
odd
connection,
how
this
roof
goes
up
and
joins
in
this
on
the
side,
but
we
resolved
that
by
bumping
it
out.
So
now
it's
the
full
width,
so
you
can
see
that
you
have
all
the
original
windows
and
then
you
have
a
single
window,
that's
set
or
centered
in
the
addition
again
that
sort
of
goes
back
to
differentiating
new
from
existing,
but
also
not
you
know,
having
the
band
of
windows
go
completely
around
the
building.
K
K
This
this
pretty
basic,
it
just
shows
the
existing
roof,
which
is
basically
two
by
four
rafters
and
two
by
2x6
ceiling,
joists
and
then
what
we're
doing
is
we're
having
to
pump
the
the
ceiling
joist
or
sister
on
a
new
floor
joist
onto
the
side
of
the
ceiling
and
then
have
these
walls
in
here
and
then
this
this
particular.
This
is
a
section
that
kind
of
cuts
through
two
areas.
This
cuts
through
the
obviously
the
skylight,
and
then
this
cuts
through
the
the
roof.
K
K
That's
good,
okay,
so
yeah!
So
just
going
from
the
top
down
you
on
the
gable
end.
You
know
you
have
the
the
the
bead
board
tongue
and
groove
to
match
the
existing
2x6
bar
drafter
on
the
on
the
dormer,
and
then
you
have
the
full
height
window
right
here.
K
I
have
the
window
details
here
and
then,
as
far
as
I'm
going
to
zoom
out
just
a
little
bit
and
then
this
is
an
interesting
little
detail,
because
I've
done
quite
a
few
attic
build
outs
with
the
plaster
you
have
the
plaster
keys
in
the
ceiling.
You
know
you
don't
want
to
mess
with
those,
because
if
you
break
them
off
the
plaster
comes
down.
So
what
we
do
is
is
right.
Here
we
put
a
a
three
quarter
inch,
one
basically
a
one
by
four
and
then
the
new
joists
sit
on
top
of
that.
K
Another
interesting
thing
is
when
they
built
these
houses,
they
would
take
the
straightest
side
of
the
board
or
ceiling
joist
and
put
that
down,
because
that's
your
finished
ceiling
so
a
lot
of
times
in
attics,
the
the
top
of
those
ceiling
joists,
are
like
all
over
the
place
and
plus
they're,
not
strong
enough
to
support
additional
floor
loads
so
by
sistering
on
it
like
a
two
by
ten.
In
this
case
it
levels
it
all
out
and
then
we're
pulling
the
dormer
back.
K
K
What
ceiling
the
minimum
flat
ceiling
is
seven
feet
per
the
florida
building
code
you're
allowed
to
go
less
than
that.
It's
four
foot,
six,
if
it's
a
slope
ceiling.
So
that's
why
we
set
this
at
four
foot
six.
So
that's
all
technically
habitable
space,
and
then
we
have
a
little
condition,
attic
or
storage
area.
Here
and
then
the
the
skylight
is
a
it's,
not
a
curb
mounted
it's
a
deck
mounted,
so
it
doesn't
stick
up
as
high
above
the
roof
plane
and
again
it's
very
low
profile.
K
Okay,
so
this
is,
I
had
to
rearrange
the
drawings
a
little
bit
from
what
y'all
received
just
to
get
everything
to
fit
with
the
new
drawings
that
I
did.
But
this
is
basically
the
same
section.
So
this
is
a
section
through
the
addition
in
the
back
with
the
porch.
K
So
you
know
we
have
the
two
by
six
rafter
tails,
similar
to
the
existing
with
the
soffit
to
match
existing,
and
then
we
have
the
window
wood
windows,
and
then
we
have
the
sill
that
I
should
probably
zoom
in
some
more
so
you
can
see
a
little
bit
more
detail
and
then
you
know,
then
the
wood
floor
we're
going
to
drop
the
ceiling
here,
because
we
have
some
issues
with
the
existing
floor
up
here,
but
also
we're
gonna
may
need
that
space
to
run
air
conditioning,
but
it
also
matches
up
with
the
the
back
porch
and
speaking
of
the
back
porch
I'll
see.
K
If
I
can
scoot
this
over
a
little
bit
so
same
detail
as
the
as
the
upper
roof,
except
it's
a
lower
pitch
of
four
four
and
twelve,
and
then
it
has
a
wrapped
or
clad
beam.
K
And
then
it
has
a
column,
it's
just
a
square
manufactured
wood
box
column
that
has
a
little
detail
at
the
top
and
then
a
nice
simple
detail
at
the
bottom
and
then
a
railing
36
inch
high
guard
rail
because
because
it's
more
higher
than
30
inches
but
it'll
be
similar
to
the
front
and
then
and
then
you
have
the
the
brick
pier
and
then
the
foundation
screen
closure,
which
I'll
show
you
detail
that
in
a
minute
this
is
a
section
kind
of
a
gable
section
at
the
at
the
stairs.
K
So
basically
you
have
this.
I
forgot
to
mention
on
the
dormer.
The
overhangs
are
one
foot
six
and
on
the
gable
they're
one
foot
six
on
this
addition
in
the
back.
It's
it's
one.
It's
two
feet
everywhere,
so
we
wanted.
I
felt
the
dormers
because
they're
a
smaller
scaled
element,
a
less
overhang
look
better
proportionally
but
anyway.
K
Is
that
a
landing
and
then
you
go
on
up
and
then
this
oops,
my
dimensions,
messed
up,
but
this
is
the
floor
and
the
ceiling,
and
then
this
is
the
seven
foot
high
ceiling
at
the
at
the
water
closet
or
the
powder
bath,
and
then
this
detail
here
is
the
it's
the
foundation
screen.
So
it's
basically
just
vertical
pickets.
With
with
the
picture
with
the
with
the
two
inch
frame,
a
three
and
a
half
inch
frame.
K
Wait,
I'm
sorry
it's
one
by
two
pickets,
three
and
a
half
inches
on
center.
Oh,
I
didn't
yeah.
This
is
like
two
and
a
half
inches
this
frame
here
which
is
typical
and
then
the
the
railings
and
the
pickets
are
all
noted
there
so
going
through
some
of
the
oh
and
then
the
last
thing
is
the
window
details.
K
So
typical
wood
window
type
detail,
you
have
the
you
know
the
large
sill
and
then
you
have
where
the
siding
comes
up.
You
have
a
cord
around
underneath
it
to
kind
of
close
that
gap,
a
typical
cell
and
stool
on
the
inside
and
then
the
head
of
the
window
is
is
is
is
born.
It
basically
inch
and
a
half
by
four
and
a
half
inch
with
a
direct
cap.
The
interior
trim
may
not
be
this.
K
E
K
The
shingles
we're
just
going
to
do,
we
talked
about
maybe
doing
a
metal
roof
or
something
like
that,
but
my
client
decided
just
for
budget
reasons
we're
going
to
go
with
the
dimensional
asphalt
shingle.
So
that's
pretty
typical.
You
know
in
the
neighborhood
used
on
a
lot
of
projects
and
then
the
on
the-
and
this
is
one
of
the
staff
comments
was
we
have
sand
set
pavers
for
the
for
the
parking
area
in
the
back.
We're
just
going
to
do
this
basket.
K
K
It
has
the
glazing,
stop
very
similar
to
where
the
older
doors
are.
You
can't
really
see
it
in
the
picture,
but
there's
a
very
fine
grain
to
it,
but
not
heavy.
So
it
looks
a
lot
like
wood
when
it's
painted-
and
I
found
this
hardware-
which
I
think
you
know
a
lot
of
houses
in
tampa
heights-
you
know
were
a
lot
older
than
the
houses
in
seminole
heights,
and
so
this
lock,
I
thought,
was
very
typical
of
what
would
have
been
around
at
that
time.
K
The
skylights
these
are
just
couple
hold
on.
K
K
And
then
this
sort
of
shows
a
couple
of
them
in
the
this.
This
particular
one
has
blinds,
and
then
you
can
also
do
another
option
where
it's
a
true
roof
window,
where
it
opens
up
all
the
way
and
I've
actually
used
a
similar
product
here
where
we
had
to
have
the
window
for
egress.
But
that's
not
the
case
here
so,
but
they're,
it's
great
way
to
a
great
solution
to
get
light
into
a
paddock
that
you're
building
out
so
the
window.
K
K
So
just
a
couple
things
with
the
wood
window:
the
mullions.
We
aren't
using
the
side
size
up
buttons
rather,
but
we
will
have
simulated,
divided
lights,
but
they'll
be
wider
because
the
ones
on
the
house
are
actually
about
an
inch
and
a
quarter,
because
that's
typically
the
way
they
were
when
they're,
just
like
the
two
over
two
like
that.
But
the
proportions
are
really
important.
The
proportions
are
the
styles
and
the
rails,
and
you
have
this
heavy
bottom
rail
here
so
and
it's
all
wood.
K
But
then
it
does
have
the
vinyl
jam
liner,
which
is
pretty
much
all
the
windows
now
and
then
the
profile
panning,
how
it
sort
of
set
back
and
everything.
And
then
we
will
have
an
inch
and
a
half
trim.
K
The
last
thing
is
lighting.
I
didn't
really
show
any
lighting
on
the
elevations,
but
we
we
have
a
provision
for
if
we're
going
to
use
wall
lighting,
we're
going
to
use
the
scraps
like
this
and
then
we'll
have
the
sort
of
the
matching
light.
It's
the
only
light
to
go
with
it
on
the
porch.
K
Because
I
know
that's
the
thing
you'll
like
to
talk
about
first
and
then
I'm
gonna
zoom
into
this
area
on
the
alley,
because
I
forgot
to
mention
about
that.
So
this
shows
where
the
concrete
apron
is
and
there'll
be
a
score
there,
and
then
this
will
all
be
the
concrete
pavers
and
then
again
you
can
see
where
the
accessory
building
is
going
to
go
and
we're
planning
for
having
a
side
entry.
So
all
the
dimensions
that
are
noted
here
will
work
for
that
sort
of
footprint
in
the
future.
K
So
so
with
that,
I
conclude
my
presentation.
Thank
you.
I
Good
evening,
commissioner
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation,
just
to
remind
you,
the
request
for
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
for
new
construction,
in
addition
to
the
primary
structure,
with
some
modifications
to
the
contributing
structure
with
site
improvements,
stats
finding
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
tampa
heights
design
guidelines
I'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
ron
so
we'll
open
this
up
to
public
comment.
Is
there
anyone
present
who
would
like
to
speak
for
or
against
the
project?
Seeing
that
I
see
the
same
happy
faces,
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
that
portion
of
the
hearing
and
allow
commissioners
to
ask
questions
we'll
start
with
commissioner
myers.
F
K
Yes,
yes,
and
if
we
do
and
I
need
to
qualify
that
if
we
go
with
anything
different
you
know,
then
we
will
definitely
work
with
staff
on
that.
But
it's
it's
tricky.
You
know
with
wood
windows
and
getting
ones
to
meet
impact
and
stuff,
and
then
so
that's
but
yes,
that
is,
that
is
what
we're
presenting
here
at
the
sierra
pacific
for
all
the
for
all
the
window,
replacements
and
all
the
new
windows.
K
Yes,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
windows
actually-
and
I
didn't
mention
this
in
my
presentation-
I
think
as
rough
as
that
rear
edition
looks-
the
windows
are
actually
in
pretty
good
shape.
You
know
I
poked
at
them
a
lot
and
there
wasn't.
E
K
K
No,
no,
no,
no,
all
the
all
the
siding
is
going
to
remain
as
it
is.
You
know
we're
just
going
to
you
know,
restore
it,
but
all
the
new
siding
is
going
to
match
the
existing
sighting,
which
is
in
that
profile
that
I
presented.
F
Okay,
one
could
argue
that
maybe
you
could
use
the
wider
siding
the
that
was
used
on
the
front
on
the
on
the
addition
just
to
differentiate
it,
but.
K
Yeah
we
could
it's,
it's
that's
the
only
area
that
it's
used
and
it
was
used
to
enclose
the
front
porch.
E
E
K
K
K
We
could
have
done
like
a
shed
dormer,
but
it
would
have
to
be
a
really
low
pitched
roof
and
it
would
be
a
fairly
dominant
feature
on
either
side
of
the
house
and
also
it's
a
much
bigger
span
that
you
have
to
do
for
a
header
when
you
do
a
shed
dormer
and
I've.
I've
done
a
house
similar
to
this,
where
we
did
shed
dormers,
but
this
one
we're
really
trying
to
minimize.
C
Mr
dobbs,
I
would
like
to
have
an
opportunity
to
discuss
with
you
some
of
your
concepts,
respecting
that
second,
the
existing
and
expanded
second
story
sleeping
porch.
C
Now
I
can
understand
why
we
have
the
bump
out
and
I
can
understand
how
that
fixes
a
number
of
problems
where
roofs
go,
how
building
elements
terminate
the
imposition
of
a
new
and
actually
functioning
stare.
C
Is
there
a
missed
opportunity,
because
the
existing
sleeping
porch,
I
think,
has
perhaps
the
most
significant
feature
for
this
dwelling
in
the
way
that
those
existing
windows
wrap
all
the
way
around
and
cascade
down
both
sides
of
that
of
that
of
that
roof?
C
And
the
question
I
have
for
you
is:
have
you
explored
or
taken
a
look
at
the
complete
extension
and
run
of
those
rivet
that
section
of
ribbon
window?
If
you
want
to
call
it
from
the
existing
into
the
addition
portion
of
this,
because
I
see
that
there
are
elements
here
where
it's
broken
in
terms
of
the
continuity
of
the
windows?
K
Yes,
we
did,
as
you
know,
you
know
whenever
you
add
a
second
floor
or
do
a
two-story
house.
One
of
the
first
things
you
have
to
work
out
is
the
stairs,
because
the
geometry
is
very
finite
and
it
affects
you
know
the
layout
of
the
first
and
second
floor.
K
So
that's
what
we
looked
at
first
was
how
was
where
we
can
put
the
sears.
Could
we
put
them
anywhere
else,
except
that
back
porch,
and
there
really
wasn't
anywhere?
We
could
do
it.
So
that's
why
we
ended
up
doing
it
where
we
did
and
then
that
allowed
room
to
still
have
a
mud
room
and
also
a
nice
master
bath.
So
those
are
kind
of
functional
requirements.
K
It's
a
very
odd
detail.
In
the
back.
I
put
up
the
existing
elevation
of
the
west
side,
but
I
don't
know
if,
if
you
had
a
picture
of
that
side,
I
think
there
was
a
picture
yeah
because
it
showed
the
window
missing
on
that
side,
the
back
west
side-
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
you
could
pull
up.
K
Yeah,
so
if
you
look
at
that
bar
drafter,
that
goes
up
where
intersects
the
house,
you
know
where
ron
has
that
it
actually
stops,
there's
only
like
an
inch
or
so
gap
between
that
and
the
window.
It's
it's
a
very,
very
odd
juxtaposition
and
you
know
so
I
thought
by
bumping
that
out
it
solves
the
problem
of
where
to
put
the
stairs,
but
also
it
fixes
that
that
situation.
K
I
think
what
the
other
concern
that
you
had
was,
and
maybe
we
can
go
back
to
the
is
this
a
wolf
or
element
just
press
document
up
here.
Excuse
me:
oh
yeah,
okay,
okay,
yeah!
So
what
you
were
saying
was
about.
You
know
the
the
tricky
thing
is
so
there's
a
rhythm
of
four
windows
and
a
rhythm
of
four
windows.
K
Then
I
could
have
done
a
rhythm
of
three
windows,
but
it
it
looked
odd.
You
know
so
I
thought
well,
you
know
we'll
do
just
one
window
in
the
field
of
sighting
and
then
on,
and
then
I
figured
since
we
have
the
field
of
sighting
there.
K
Then
that
would
sort
of
turn
the
corner
and
we'd
have
a
little
bit
of
field
of
sighting
there
and
then
we'd
have
the
double
window,
and
I
think
that's
the
that's.
The
tricky
thing
is
because
the
house
goes
from
here
to
about
here.
So
so
it's
the
house
and
this
part's
not
centered,
but
there's
local
symmetry
with
this
part
right
here
with
the
four
windows
and
the
four
windows.
K
So
so
that
was
just
the
way
we
kind
of
reconciled
that
by
doing
it
a
little
bit
different
like
that.
But
the.
K
I
think
the
important
thing
is
the
overall
form
you
know
being
consistent
and
then
these
these
two
sides
being
being
similar,
but.
C
I
see
that
I
see
things
still
a
little
bit
on
the
different
sides
still
because
you
are
spending
a
great
deal
of
time
and
energy
reconstructing
this
entire
second
level
and
it's
adjacent
addicts,
including
replacement
of
windows,
so
making
adjustments.
E
C
K
And
I
agree
with
what
you're
saying
and
I
think
that
would
look
great
across
the
back
for
a
much
more
balanced
source
of
medical
look
across
the
entire
facade,
but
you
know
look
considering
the
secretary
standards.
I
talk
to
my
clients
on
these
projects
about
degrees
of
intervention
and
you
always
sort
of
start
with
the
least
invasive
thing
leave
as
much
existing
as
you
possibly
can,
and
that's
what
we're
doing
here.
K
We
want
to
leave
that
part
of
the
building
alone
and
not
alter
in
any
more
than
we
absolutely
have
to,
but
I
can
tell
you
this:
if
we
get
into
it
and
that
whole
addition
has
to
be
sort
of
rebuilt,
then
what
I
would
do
is,
I
would
obviously
be
talking
to
a
staff
you
know,
and
then
we
could.
We
could
look
at
maybe
doing
a
different
window
configuration
because
then
you
know
the
original
is
gone,
so
we
don't
have
to
try
and
keep
it.
K
L
A
I
want
to
go
back
to
your
site
plan.
Can
you
show
us
if
any
fence
locations
and
gates.
K
K
Oh
yeah,
I
probably
need
to
zoom
in
it's
mostly
like
chain
link
fences.
I
think
across
the
back
and
well,
you
can
see.
Let
me
zoom
in
a
little
bit
more.
You
can
kind
of
see
a
little
bit.
K
You
know
right
here
and
then
let
me
move
forward
but
and
then
there's
yeah,
and
then
you
see
the
fences
right
here:
okay,
but
again,
yeah
that
that
was
we
were
going
to
address
that
when
we
were
going
to
do
the
accessory
building,
but
once
we
realized
we're
not
going
to
do
the
accessory
building.
As
part
of
this
petition,
we
decided
to
leave
out
fences.
K
K
A
A
K
A
Right,
I
do
not
have
any
other
questions
for
you
any
of
your
questions
or
comments
for
the
applicant,
mr
myers.
F
One
quick
question,
mr
dobbs,
and
this
is
this-
is
outside
of
our
purview,
but
I
see
from
your
from
your
drawings
that
you
you're
taking
up
all
of
the
old
flooring
right
and
then
you're
you're,
putting
something
called
you're
putting
sturdy
floor
underneath
it
right.
Oh,
is
that.
A
K
I
think
really
the
only
two
sort
of
little
little
sticking
points
were
the
air
conditioning
and-
and
I
had
mentioned
that
we
would
be
fine
with
the
condition
on
that
and
then
also
mr
sutton's
comments
about
the
fenestration
spacing
rhythm
and
stuff
on
the
back
second
floor
edition
about
maybe
looking
at
or
reconsidering
what
we
do
there
because
again
I'd
like
to
remind
the
board
we're
going
to
try
and
keep
it.
K
A
C
I
note
that
the
part
of
this
also
some
very
extensive
screening
for
your
crawl
space.
I
do
hope
that
attention
to
those
materials
and
their
durability
are
part
of
your
plan
as
well
too.
I
did
not
notice
any
access
points
to
that,
so
I
think
that
would
be
also
an
element
for
coordination
with
staff,
because
I
got
to
tell
you
one
thing:
I
love
my
crawl
space,
the
amount
of
work
I've
put
into
that
and
you
know
running
all
sorts
of
utilities
in
my
home
has
made
all
the
difference
in
the
world.
C
So
the
only
other
item
that
I
can
think
of
that
might
need
some.
Some
issues
here
is
in
terms
of
paying
attention
is
how
you're
going
to
be
insulating
your
attic,
because
there's
an
awful
lot
of
tight
and
closed
space
up
there,
and
that
could
be.
I
think
that
could
be
a
really
tough,
tough
job
to
do
to
make
that
actually.
D
Just
to
bring
up
that
that
rear
elevation
again
as
odd
as
that
roofline
is
it's
very
unique
to
this
problem.
D
A
Are
you
specifically
indicating
that
the
issue
with
the
slope
coming
in
and
you
have
the
one
inch
gap?
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
defining
characteristic.
C
D
A
So
actually
the
the
dormers
were
not
were
not
just
for
ears.
They
were
for
head
heights
because
you
actually
can't
occupy
that
attic.
One
of
the
things
of
the
florida
building
code
residential
is
that,
yes,
you
can
have
a
four
foot
six,
but
for
fifty
percent
of
the
occupiable
area
it
has
to
be
the
seven
foot
clearance.
Otherwise,
you
can't
occupy.
A
Feet
or
higher
for
fifty
percent
of
the
usable
area
that
you're
declaring
and
so
without
the
dormer
and-
and
I
concur,
if
you
looked
at
a
shed
solution,
it
would
require
greater
effort
and
you'd,
actually
not
like
it
even
more
so.
The
dormers
are
necessary
if
they
want
to
use
that
space,
and
we
can
certainly
understand
how
a
homeowner
would
want
as
much
space
as
possible,
and
I
commend
you
know
looking
at
a
solution
which
raises
which
allows
them
to
gain
that
and
the
fact
that
they're
pushed
back.
A
You
know
it
looks
like
at
least
10
12,
maybe
15
feet
back
from
that
front
elevation
and
with
the
tree
coverage,
because
you
can't
even
see
when
you
look
at
our
our
photo
sa
elements.
You
can't
even
see
the
sleeping
porch
from
the
front
elevation
with
those
trees.
A
So
if
indeed
the
trees
are
remaining
and
they
don't
get
limbed
up
too
much,
you
know
they're
going
to
help
with
that,
as
well
as
the
distance
from
restaurant
facade,
I
think-
and
it's
not
like
they're
overly
huge.
It
seems
like
they're
really
trying
to
minimize
that
with
the
the
size
of
the
dome.
The
dormers.
A
B
I
move
to
grant
our
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
hearing
in
arc21-405
for
the
property
located
at
307
east
oak
avenue,
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
ac
air
conditioning
units
are
screened
because,
based
upon
the
finding
effect,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
tampa
heights
design.
Guidelines
for
the
city
of
tampa
for
the
following
reasons
that
the
orientation,
insight
coverage
alignment
and
spacing
and
trim
and
detail,
are
consistent
with
the
guidelines.
A
A
I
I
The
underlying
zoning
is
rs
60..
The
request
this
evening
is
for
new
construction,
in
addition
to
the
primary
structure
rehabilitation
with
some
site
improvements
on
page
three
of
your
staff
report,
there
was
some
previous
action
at
this
site
on
at
the
end
of
2020,
there
was
an
approval
which
is
arc
20-23
for
new
construction.
I
I
Beyond
that
to
the
north
is
decl,
and
then
you
have
rome
to
the
to
the
east.
As
a
reference
point,
we
used
the
sanborn
map
as
a
point
of
reference
to
show
the
form
and
the
patterns
that
are
in
the
district
that
were
prevalent
in
the
period
of
significance
all
the
way
to
the
early
40s.
This
map
is
from
1929
and
it
shows
the
primary
structures
and
then
the
detached
accessory
structures
that
usually
flank
the
alleys.
I
I
This
is
looking
at
the
front
facade
of
the
structure,
it's
a
modest
one-story
structure
that
had
inappropriate
siding
over
it
and
through
prior
owners
and
through
this
owner
here,
a
lot
of
the
siding
was
removed
to
expose
the
natural
elements
underneath.
I
Here's
just
looking
at
the
front
porch
you
see
the
number
of
risers
as
you
come
to
the
front
porch,
you
see
this
center
door.
You
have
the
two
paired
windows
that
are
symmetrical
and
then
to
the
right
of
the
door.
You
have
a
period
style
window
with
like
side
lights
on
it.
It's
a
very
unique
detail
that
you
pick
up
here
a
little
more
asymmetrical,
but
is
very
appropriate
for
this
style
house.
When
they
picked
pulled
off
the
siding
on
the
house.
I
You
see
the
ghosting
of
the
corner
boards
and
the
siding
does
kind
of
canter
out.
So
it
comes
down
to
maybe
a
belt
course
and
then
it
kind
of
flares
out.
You
see
the
flanking
windows
that
are
very
period
appropriate
on
these
craftsman
style
homes,
flanking
the
fireplace
there's
a
triple
gable.
That's
engaged
into
the
house
currently
now
and
then
a
bump
out
that
was
original
to
the
structure.
I
This
is
the
neighbor
on
that
west
elevation
off
of
hills.
I
This
is
looking
down
hills,
just
giving
you
a
perspective
of
the
street
shots
here
and
here
in
both
directions.
Moving
back
to
the
existing
contributing
structure,
you
have
the
the
porch.
Once
again,
you
have
this
window
pattern
with
a
larger
window
flanking
by
the
two
side:
windows
or
side
lights.
If
you
will,
the
siding
was
removed.
You
see
the
ghosting
of
the
corner.
Boards
are
here.
It's
a
little
prevalent
here
that
kind
of
flares
out
the
existing
fence.
Here,
I'd
work
with
the
the
current
owner
here.
I
This
is
more
of
a
construction
fence
to
keep
people
out,
as
he
was
kind
of
dissecting
the
house
here
and
and
picking
a
direction.
So
this
is
not
part
of
what
was
there
or
what
will
remain
after
completion
of
this
project.
I
I
Just
a
little
closer
shot
of
that
rear
elevation,
showing
the
gable
vent
and
how
the
other
gables
kind
of
die
into
the
existing
gable.
With
this
little
hip
visor
here
and
to
conclude
just
a
couple:
shots
showing
the
condition
of
the
alley,
the
alley
will
be
part
of
this
project
moving
forward,
and
that
concludes
the
photo
presentation.
This
time,
mr
keener
will
address
the
board.
L
L
It
is,
as
ron
mentioned,
it's
a
smaller
cottage,
that's
in
the
midst
of
a
sort
of
an
interesting
and
diverse
block.
So
what
I
hope
to
show
you
today
is
that
not
only
are
we
we're
respecting
the
preservation
and
the
rehabilitation
of
the
existing
home,
there's
a
lot
of
unique
features
to
this,
but
we're
also
proposing
a
fairly
large
edition,
we're
not
building
to
the
extent
possible
so
we're
trying
to
respect
the
existing
architecture
but
they're,
you
know,
I'm
not
not.
Gonna
lie
to
you.
L
Thank
you.
This
is
what
we're
proposing
you
can
see,
as
ron
had
mentioned,
there's
a
triple
gable
of
the
existing
home
and
we're
doing
a
two-story
addition
in
the
rear
for
context.
We
had
looked
at
the
aerial
shot.
Our
property
is
here,
decal
avenue,
watrus
avenue,
rome
avenue
and
then
west
hills,
gunby
avenue
is
straight
a
straight
shot
down
to
bayshore
boulevard.
As
we
present,
this
we'll
explain
some
of
the
rationale
for
some
of
the
rooftop
elements.
E
L
While
I'm
doing
that,
I
also
have
a
structural
assessment
report
that
I'd
like
to
set
submit
to
the
record.
We
are
rehabilitating
this
house,
but
it
should
be
noted
that
we
had
a
an
outside
structural
engineering
report
done
just
to
see
what
level
of
rehabilitation
is
needed.
Unfortunately,
for
us,
this
house
has
had
a
series
of
decline
over
the
last
few
years
before
my
client
bought
the
home,
but
even
before
that,
you
can
see
through
google
imagery
that
it
slowly
declined.
The
house
is
in
poor
state
right
now.
L
There's
you
know:
termite
damage,
there's
dry,
rot,
there's
sagging
floors,
the
foundation
is
a
mess
I
mean
I
can
go
on
and
on,
and
I
will
show
you
some
examples
of
that
in
this
presentation.
L
The
other
thing
to
note
on
this
diagram
is
the
blue:
dots
represent
multi-family
projects.
This
is
unlike
a
lot
of
blocks
in
this
area.
We
have
a
lot
of
multi-family
buildings
that,
unfortunately,
through
through
the
years
past,
have
some
of
them
have
been
contributing.
Structures
that
have
been
poorly
added
onto
some
of
them
are
just
newer
construction
that
don't
really
meet
the
context
of
the
neighborhood,
but
but
they're
there
and
there's
quite
a
few
of
them
in
the
area.
L
This
is
a
closer
up
shot
of
our
property,
as
it
stands
today
fairly
clear
lot.
We
have
some
trees
on
the
northern
corner
for
purposes
of
us
just
kind
of
being.
On
the
same
page,
I'm
calling
north
the
right
side
of
our
house
north
is
up
towards
the
north
or
to
the
corner,
but
for
east
we're
calling
plan
north
to
the
right
so
fairly
clear
site.
There
used
to
be
a
pool
in
the
rear
yard.
It's
no
longer
there,
basically
just
have
the
one-story
cottage.
This
is
the
view
of
the
alley
directly
behind
us.
L
The
sanborn
map
shows
that
at
some
or
in
historically
there
was
an
accessory
structure
in
the
rear
there's
no
longer
there.
We
have
not
been
able
to
find
any
pictures
in
the
in
the
historic
archives
of
this
home
love
to
know
what
some
of
these
details
were,
but
we've
been
using
examples
throughout
the
block
and
the
neighborhood,
with
with
just
our
own
sort
of
dissection
of
the
house
to
assess
what
the
details
are
appropriate.
L
This
is
the
view
from
hills
and
gunby,
and
this
is
the
view
of
what
we're
proposing
from
hills
and
gunby.
So
the
two-story
addition,
although
it
is
much
larger
than
what's
there,
sits
far
back
on
site-
and
I
think,
with
the
perspective
of
of
the
human
scale,
sets
far
back
from
the
street
and
is
not
as
big
of
a
concern
for
context
purposes.
We're
looking
at
the
entire
block.
A
L
Yep,
sorry
about
that,
okay,
so
large
contributing
structure
that
has,
if
you
can
see
in
this
image,
has
had
some
additions
and
work
done
in
the
past.
There's
a
very
large
attached,
one
car
garage
accessed
from
the
front
with
a
second
floor.
L
This
is
the
shop
viewing
that
from
the
alley,
it's
important
to
look
at
all
these
houses,
both
from
the
street
side
and
the
alley,
because
the
alley
is
such
a
prominent
part
of
our
design,
the
neighbor.
Next
to
that
1709
west
hills
has
also
had
a
two-story
addition
to
the
rear.
You
can
see
from
the
google
aerials
that
the
roof
slope.
A
A
L
Can
what
I
was
pointing
out
is
the
roof
line
that
you
can
kind
of
see
graduates
up
from
the
one-story
piece
up
into
a
two-story
roof
line
adjacent
to
that
is
a
vacant
lot
with
a
proposed
construction
that
I
believe
is
actually
approved
and
permitted
under
construction.
Two,
I
believe
adjacent
to
that
is
a
one-story
contributing
structure.
L
Doesn't
it
well
maintained
doesn't
appear
to
have
a
lot
of
new
construction
additions,
same
thing
with
the
property?
Next
to
that,
as
we
get
down
the
road,
we
have
a
contributing
structure,
two-story
accessory
off
the
alley
two-story
in
the
front,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
one
has
had
work
done,
but
not
really
relevant.
L
L
Our
neighbors
1721
west
hills
a
one-story
house
with
a
one-story
addition
that
has
been
done
in
the
past
on
the
rear
of
the
house
and
then
trees
that
abut
our
property
close
up
of
of
those
same
trees.
In
the
north
west
corner-
and
this
is
a
view
between
our
two
properties-
so
there's
quite
a
bit
of
space
between
the
two
lots-
this
this
property
is
zoned
rs60.
Our
setbacks
are
seven
foot
on
the
side,
25
feet
on
the
front,
20
foot
on
the
rear.
L
The
existing
house
actually
sits
26
feet
off
of
the
front,
so
we
respect
we're
not
touching
the
house.
We're
everything
we're
doing
is
to
the
rear
of
the
existing
home
ron
had
touched
on
this,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
in
too
much
detail,
but
we
have
exposed
the
house
to
the
the
core
of
what
what's
left.
There's
a
lot
of
bad
examples
of
siding
and
additions
on
the
rear.
There's
a
lot
of
decay.
L
But
there
are
some
cool
details
that
this
house
had.
There's
this
flare
at
the
bottom.
We
have
a
six
inch
exposure,
ship
lap,
siding
with
corner
boards.
So
it's
sort
of
a
unique
detail
and,
as
we
show
the
rest
of
our
presentation,
we're
taking
the
details
that
are
in
this
house
and
we're
bringing
those
into
the
new
portion
that
we're
adding
on
to
to
bring
some
consistency
to
it
and
also
to
highlight
some
of
the
few
details.
L
This
house
is
a
very
simple
house,
so
we're
trying
to
just
make
sure
that
that
we
can
bring
some
detail
to
this
and
some
interest
again.
Some
examples
of
decay
and
some
poor
poor
additions
and
and
just
examples
of
bad
conditions
in
this
house
ron
had
mentioned
the
front
windows,
one
of
the
issues
we
we
may
have
if
we
and
we're
presenting
to
remove
these
windows
and
replace
them.
L
But
we
have
a
strange
condition
with
the
the
railing
in
the
front
and
how
it
terminates
into
that
window,
not
something
that
that
is
critical
to
our
design.
We
will
certainly
be
open
to
negotiation
or
discussion
on
that
point,
but
I
I
don't
really
like
this
condition,
especially
as
we're
rehabilitating
and
probably
reconstructing
a
good
portion
of
the
porch.
I
think
that's
going
to
pose
an
issue
with
code
requirements.
L
Some
other
examples
of
you
know
there's
at
some
point.
Somebody
introduced
some
glass
box
to
this
house.
That's
going
to
be
removed,
just
kind
of
conditions
that
are
present
the
front
columns
are
not
historically
accurate.
I'll
show
you
in
our
presentation
some
examples
of
what
we
believe.
They
look
like
again,
just
more
more
existing
conditions
getting
to
our
site
plan
or
our
floor
plan.
This
is
existing
floor
plan,
we're
keeping
the
front
three
gable
elements
that
we
spoke
of
and
removing
the
back
portion
of
this
house.
L
This
is
a
diagram
to
show
what
that
looks
like
as
far
as
far
as
an
aerial
percentage,
we've
got
the
the
front
porch
and
then
the
two
other
dormers
or
I'm
sorry
gable
ends,
and
this
red
line
represents
approximately,
where
we're
proposing
to
dissect
the
house
and
remove
the
rear
portion,
we're
also
preserving
this
side
gable.
That
adds
some
architectural
interest
to
the
gun.
L
The
elevation
existing
conditions,
the
flare
detail,
it's
hard
to
see
in
this
image,
but
it's
basically
a
two
by
four
that
is
scabbed
onto
the
side
of
the
bottom
rim
joist,
and
there
really
is
no
screening
to
the
to
the
crawl
space
on
this
house.
That
skirt
detail
goes
about
six
inches
from
the
grade
all
around
the
house,
so
there's
no
way
to,
or
we
haven't
seen
evidence
of
any
way
to
keep
critters
and
things
from
coming
into
that
house.
Through
our
presentation.
L
We'll
show
you
our
resolution
to
that
detail,
but
this
is
the
existing
conditions
that
are
present.
We
have
a
16
by
16,
brick,
pier
for
the
most
part.
If
you
review
the
structural
report,
it's
very
inconsistent.
The
underside
of
the
foundation
of
this
house
is
a
mess.
I've
never
seen
such
a
hodgepodge
of
different
elements,
but
the
root
of
this
house
was
16
by
16
brick
gears
approximately
eight
eight
feet
on
center.
L
If,
if
there
is
a
standard,
two
by
four
walls,
we
have
a
six
inch
six
inch
exposure
ship
lap,
that's
directly
applied
to
the
two
by
four
walls.
We
have
an
eight
foot,
ten
ceiling
and
two
by
four
rafters,
with
a
two
foot:
eight
roof
overhang
with
the
two
by
four
exposed:
rafter
tails.
There
is
a
one
by
beam
board
soffit,
which
I'll
show
you
examples
of
that
that
that
is
consistent
through
the
house
and
consistent
with
the
time
period.
L
This
is
through
that
side
gable
detail,
so
there
is
existing
venting
condition,
which
is
a
one
by
one
cross
weave
and
we'll
show
you
examples
of
that
too.
So,
as
we
get
into
the
rehabilitation
I'll
show
you
examples
of
how
we're
going
to
take
this
detail
section
detail
and
apply
that
to
the
new
conditions.
L
L
Talking
to
my
client,
we
realized-
that's,
probably
not
the
most
sensitive
approach,
so
we
we
started
looking
for
other
options.
We
also
wanted
to
take
advantage
of
the
gunby
avenue
site.
You
actually
can
see
bayshore
in
the
water
from
this
property.
So
originally
we
were
proposing
to
put
a
tower
element
on
this
house.
We've
pulled
back
from
that
brought
down
the
scale
and
have
taken
that
element
off.
Although
we
will
present
our
widow's
walk
detail
which
I'll
show
you
more
as
we
get
through.
L
Looking
at
this
site,
we
have
a
grand
oak
in
the
front.
You
can
see
the
radius
here.
We
were
trying
to
find
alternative
ways
to
park.
The
city
of
tampa
requires
two
parking
spaces
off
the
street.
This
house
we're
not
allowed
to
park
in
front
of
the
main
massing,
so
it
leaves
this
option
open.
We
can
approach
the
garage
from
the
front
or
from
the
alley.
L
This
was
a
potential
option
with
a
one-car
garage
from
the
alley.
Left
really
didn't.
Leave
us
enough
room
to
meet
my
program
requirements
from
my
clients,
so
that
wasn't
really
a
viable
option
for
us.
This
diagram
shows
other
ways
that
we
could
approach
the
one
car
garage
from
the
front
similar
to
our
disc
or
your
discussions.
Earlier,
with
another
case,
we
end
up
with
this
weird
jogged,
driveway
condition
which,
as
a
designer
I
don't
like,
but
knowing
the
transportation
guidelines
and
natural
resources
requirements.
L
L
Here's
a
potential
solution
with
a
two-car
garage
off
the
alley,
not
a
bad
solution,
but
what
it
doesn't
do
is
give
us
any
room
for
a
yard
for
his
daughter
and
dog
to
run
yard
was
a
big
part
of
this.
We're
trying
to
maximize
this
site
from
front
to
back
have
some
space
for
outdoor
entertainment
and
this
really
ate
up
all
of
the
rear
yard.
So
that
wasn't
appealing
to
us
another
solution.
L
Bringing
that
garage
closer
to
gunby
again
takes
up
a
lot
of
rear
yard,
doesn't
really
give
us
a
lot
left
over
we're
looking
at
other
alternative
methods.
This
was
one
that
until
recently,
we
were
going
with
where
we
did
have
a
one
car
parking
space
in
the
front
and
then
the
secondary
space
off
a
garage
on
the
rear.
Very
similar
to
what
we're
proposing
today
when
we
actually
got
the
final
survey
for
this
property.
L
Again
important
things
to
note
preserving
the
front
of
the
house.
This
shaded
portion
represents
the
area,
that's
going
to
be
removed
and
then
the
darker
portion
is
the
area
of
the
addition
front
set
back
is
25
feet.
Our
building
is
26
feet,
we're
doing
7
feet
on
the
south
elevation
we're
about
7
foot
2
on
the
north
elevation
and
we
are
20
foot
four
on
the
rear
elevation,
the
west
elevation.
L
L
The
roof
plan
showing
a
trellis
element
that
we're
proposing
on
the
side
as
part
of
the
original
structure,
but
then
the
roof
plan
of
the
new
addition
with
the
widow's
walk
element.
This
is
a
roof
hatch
similar
to
a
commercial
construction
where
it's
not
visible
from
the
street.
It's
going
to
be
accessed
more
from
an
internal
ladder,
so
it's
it's
a
way
to
get
up
to
the
roof
for
minor
events
to
see
the
water.
L
So
it's
not
not
really
an
imposing
roof
element,
but
it
is
something
that
my
client
had
challenged
me
to
provide
the
front
elevation
is,
and
this
is
the
challenge.
This
is
why
we
create
the
3d
modeling,
because
at
a
2d
flat
elevation,
I
can
see
the
the
issues
with
scaling
and
massing
existing
front
elevation
to
a
one-story
cottage.
It's
very
small
when
you
add
the
two-story
mass
in
the
rear,
it
does
look
imposing,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
that
mass
is
55
feet
off
of
the
street.
L
I'm
sorry
off
the
sidewalk.
Excuse
me
this
shows
our
edition
and
this
below
it
is
a
previously
approved
addition
to
this
site.
As
ron
had
mentioned
earlier,
the
end
of
2020
somebody
had
come
before
the
board
and
had
this
plan
approved,
it
has
a
two-car
detached
garage
in
the
rear
problem.
Being
is
that
my
client
did
not
need
that.
Second,
the
two-story
accessory
structure.
He
needed
the
square
footage
as
part
of
the
main
house
and
not
as
an
accessory
dwelling.
The
house
he's
in
now
has
a
detached
accessory
structure.
L
It's
not
functional
for
their
lifestyle,
so
he
needed.
He
needed
that
square
footage
closer
to
the
house.
We
weren't
able
to
marry
the
square
footage
needed
for
the
house
and
then
have
a
detached
accessory
structure.
Purpose
of
me,
showing
those
other
site
plans.
What
I
was
getting
at
is
the
two-story
massing
being
so
far
off
the
sidewalk.
I
think
this
is
a
good
example
of
that
that
street
elevation
from
a
human
scale.
It
really
sets
back,
I
think,
by
adding
this
trellis
that
helps
buffer
some
of
those
massing
elements.
L
It
also
gives
us
a
garden
feature
that
addresses
the
sidewalk
and
the
street
along
hills.
Here's
our
south
side
elevation
that
would
be
the
gun
beside
existing.
This
line
indicates
the
portion
we're
removing
and
obviously
that
how
that
lines
up
with
the
two-story
massing,
we
created
the
master
bedrooms
in
the
rear.
We
wanted
that
to
mimic
a
sleeping
port,
so
we're
introducing
casement
windows.
The
majority
of
the
windows
in
the
home
are
double
hung,
so
we
are
introducing
a
mix
of
fixed
casement
and
double
hung
windows.
L
L
L
We
we
have
a
man
door
with
a
small
shed
roof
element
with
wood
brackets,
supporting
we're
showing
the
pergola
element
off
of
the
existing
house.
One
of
staff's
comments
was
to
bring
this
the
scale
of
that
down
and
bringing
bring
it
back
behind
the
fireplace
and
we
had
amended
our
drawings
to
reflect
those
confidence.
L
L
I
think
the
scale
and
massing
of
what
has
been
approved
in
the
past
is
I
don't,
in
my
opinion,
isn't
much
different
than
what
we're
showing
again
3d
always
helps
me
understand
that
looking
at
building
sections,
I
know
these
are
small
small
and
hard
to
see
so.
We've
blown
up
other
details
and
hopefully
that'll
help
clarify
I'm
going
to
run
through
these
quickly
showing
cut
through
the
existing
house
and
the
proposed
edition.
L
Here's
an
example
cut
through
the
existing
front
of
the
house
through
the
two
story
edition
here's
a
perspective,
shot
of
our
proposed
design
from
the
gunby
side
of
elevation,
we're
proposing
a
six
foot
fence,
it's
sort
of
an
axon
shot
showing
how
the
massings
relate
to
each
other.
You
can
also
see
again
partial
model
of
the
massing
of
the
multi-family
project
and
off
of
the
alley.
L
L
Our
widow's
walk
detail
is
basically
a
wood
frame
with
these
cross
members
we're
going
to
introduce
a
very
thin
stainless
steel,
cable,
rail.
The
idea
is,
we
want
the
cross
members
to
be
prominent,
this
the
cable
rail
to
go
away,
but
we
also
need
to
meet
the
code
criteria
for
the
four
inch
spacing.
L
L
That
was
the
driver
for
our
first
design.
Having
a
tower
element,
we
were
talked
off
the
ledge
on
that
brought
it
down
a
bit
and
now
we're
just
proposing
the
widow's
walk
to
really
maximize
this
view
down
gunby
once
we're
at
that
higher
elevation
we'll
be
able
to
see
over
this
canopy
and
actually
see
the
water
fairly.
Well,
our
front
columns,
they're,
not
they're,
not
in
their
stair
historic
form.
Right
now.
We
have
to
remove
them
and
reconstruct
them.
Looking
at
the
neighbor's
house,
they
have
three
columns
on
the
corners.
L
That's
what
we're
proposing
and
we're
going
to
preserve
and
try
and
rehabilitate
these
sort
of
details
at
the
top
of
the
column.
The
rear
garage
is
off
the
alley.
I
know
an
attached
garage
does
not
meet
the
standards
of
hyde
park
guidelines.
I
think
in
this
case,
we
we
really
were
limited
on
on
how
much
space
we
had
left
with
the
amount
of
the
site
that
we
need
to
preserve.
This
was
the
solution
that
we
came
up
with.
L
One
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
to
mitigate
the
view
of
the
garage
is
to
push
that
garage
door
back
from
the
face
of
the
rear
elevation.
The
garage
door
sits
about
11
and
a
half
feet
off
of
this.
This
space,
so
you'll
have
a
parking
space
and
then
the
garage
door
for
the
secondary
parking
space.
L
L
L
Here's
an
example
in
hyde
park
of
another
similar
type
of
element,
our
roofing
we're
proposing
a
one-inch
standing,
seam
metal
roof,
probably
going
to
be
galvalume,
we'll
work
with
staff
on
that
the
existing
typical
roof
overhang.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
it's
a
two
foot:
eight
roof
overhang,
two
by
four
raptor
tails,
one
by
four
bead
board:
wood
soffit.
L
We
are
proposing
the
metal
roof
and
we're
also
proposing
a
half
round
metal
gutter
with
a
four
inch
round.
Downspout.
Here's
a
picture
of
the
existing
raptor
condition,
soffit
condition.
Basically
we're
going
to
replicate
that
and
rehabilitate.
What's
there,
our
gable
end
is
a
little
different
rather
than
32
inches.
We
have
a
2
foot
overhang.
We
have
a
2
by
6
bar
drafter
versus
2
by
4,
raptor
tails.
L
You
can
see
the
siding
also
goes
right
up
to
the
underside
of
the
bead
board.
There
is
no
extra
trim
details
on
those
gables.
Here's
our
venting
detail.
Existing
venting
is
just
going
to
be
replicated
as
we're
most
likely
going
to
have
to
rebuild
a
good
portion
of
this
and
we're
also
introducing
spray
foam
to
this
house.
So
we
will
be
closing
off
those
venting
details,
but
we'll
try
and
make
them
or
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
they
they
stay
authentic.
From
the
street
side
I
mentioned
earlier
about
the
skirting
detail.
L
This
is
existing
condition
of
of
how
that
detail
works
as
we
are
rebuilding
and
rehabilitating
this,
we
are
going
to
propose
a
slightly
a
slight
alteration
to
that:
to
really
enclose
that
that
crawl
space,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
introduce
a
stem
wall
around
the
perimeter
between
the
existing
piers.
L
It
won't
be
seen
from
the
street.
That's
going
to
step
back
about
one
inch
from
the
face
of
the
existing
brick
piers
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we
only
have
about
six
inches
from
the
grade
to
the
bottom
side
of
that
skirting.
So
it's
really
a
matter
of
helping
us
level
out
the
perimeter
of
this
house
and
also
to
close
off
that
crawl
space
from
the
the
elements
and
the
critters
we're
going
to
spray
foam.
The
underside
of
the
flooring,
spray
foam,
the
walls,
we
need
a
closed
condition
and
a
closed
crawl
space.
L
L
Other
projects-
I've
done
in
hyde
park
in
the
past
have
required
us
to
remove
that
siding
and
replace
it.
That's
what
we're
going
to
propose
in
a
rehabilitation
plan
running
out
of
time,
so
I'm
going
to
go
quick
windows
and
doors.
Four
and
a
half
inch
trim
around
the
doors.
We're
going
to
mimic
that
we're
using
a
aluminum,
clad
windowed
by
sierra
pacific,
is
what
we're
proposing
for
the
new
structure
and
we'd
also
like
to
replace
the
existing
house
windows
with
these.
L
None
of
them
are
in
a
place
where
they
can
be
preserved
the
rear
door,
we're
proposing
an
aluminum,
bi-fold
door,
six
inch
exposure,
siding
all
wood,
siding
we're
going
to
rehabilitate
what
we
can.
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
it's
going
to
be
preservable,
but
we
are
going
to
take
everything
that
is
salvageable
and
replace
it
onto
the
house.
L
L
I
appreciate
your
time.
I
know
I'm
getting
close
to
the
end
of
my
my
time
here,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
the
fact
that
the
existing
house
is
about
60,
I
think
I
said
68
of
preservation
of
the
existing
house-
really
limits
us
to
about
50
percent
of
the
site
of
what
we
have
left
to
work
with.
L
I
don't
think
in
any
other
location,
this
house
would
be
preserved,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
put
a
good
effort
into
making
this
house
last
for
another
100
years.
It's
been
here
since
1919
we'd
like
it
to
go
another
100
years,
so
we're
going
to
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
making
sure
that
the
moves
we
make
keep
this
house
or
help
preserve
what's
there
and
make
it
better
and
last.
Thank
you.
I
This
presentation
was
very
complete
with
a
lot
of
challenges
this
evening,
not
for
the
lack
of
meeting
with
staff
we're
here
today
staff's
finding
that
this
application
is
inconsistent
with
the
hyde
park
design
guidelines,
if
you
refer
to
the
application
of
standards
for
the
hyde
park,
design,
guidelines
and
page
3
of
your
staff
report,
there's
three
of
the
guidelines
that
kind
of
jump
out
to
us.
The
first
one
is
the
scale
the
height
and
the
width.
I
The
next
item
is
the
massing
and
building
form
the
relationship
of
the
building
massing
and
form.
I
think
the
form
here
is
what's
important
to
the
other
buildings
in
the
district
and
then,
when
you
go
to
alignment
rhythm
and
spacing
it
addresses
the
effects
of
the
new
building
will
have
on
the
existing
patterns
along
the
block.
I
So
in
the
items
that
I
pulled
from
the
high
park
design
guidelines,
it
touches
upon
the
form
and
the
patterns
that
were
violated
here
with
the
engagement
of
the
accessory
structure
into
the
structure.
I
I
started
out
with
the
photo
presentation
showing
the
patterns
that
were
consistent
historically
in
1929,
and
we
could
use
that
as
a
reference.
If
we
need
to,
I
could
go
back
to
that.
The
zoning
classification
for
this
parcel
is
rs-60,
some
of
the
other
illustrations
that
he
showed
this
evening.
I
So
I
think
those
are
the
first
items
that
need
to
be
addressed,
the
massing
and
the
scale
and
the
and
the
alignment
of
the
building
if
the
conversation
goes
further
than
that
on
the
staff
report.
On
page
four,
I
talk
about
other
items
that
need
to
be
addressed
as
the
hardscape
and
and
the
landscaping.
The
landscaping
should
all
be
natural,
the
hardscape
I'm
sure
he
could
address
with
some
some
additional
items.
I
He
did
reduce
the
pergola
at
one
time
the
pergola
was
a
parking
spot
that
came
off
the
primary
street,
which
is
hills
it
no
longer
function
in
that
capacity,
it's
just
a
little
side
outdoor
space,
he
reduced
the
size
of
the
pergola
to
be
behind
the
the
fireplace
the
fireplace
is
a
character,
defining
feature
that
we
felt
that
should
take
precedent
over
introduction
of
a
new
architectural
element.
I
He
did
address
the
location
and
the
style
and
the
height
of
the
fence
through
his
presentation
this
evening,
probably
a
little
more
discussion
on
the
period
structure.
That's
there
to
provide
you
know
a
demo
plan
or
the
rehabilitation
plan.
He
went
through
his
presentation
fairly
quickly.
There
was
a
lot
of
information
that
he
touched
upon
and
a
very
thorough
presentation,
but
you
know
the
jewel
here
is:
is
the
old
lady?
That's
there
so
a
little
more
discussion
on
the
historic
structure.
I
There
was
a
front
door
package
that
was
a
little
foreign
to
this
craftsman
style
cottage.
Now
he
introduced
something
that's
more
period
appropriate.
A
couple
of
final
items
that
I
have
is
the
roof
material
for
single
family
structures.
What
we
find
through
our
research
period,
appropriate
metal
roofs,
would
be
a
5v
crimp.
I
He
submitted
tonight
a
a
low
low
standing,
seam
roof
that
is
usually
confined
to
commercial
buildings,
and
then
he
did
address
all
the
windows
to
be
replaced
in
the
period
structure
and
to
be
introduced
in
the
new
structure
to
be
cladded.
We
have
been
very
consistent
on
the
window,
reinstallation
on
period
homes
to
be
all
wood
windows
and
then
on
the
addition.
The
introduction
of
a
cladding
window
may
be
an
appropriate
solution.
I
A
A
D
E
D
Whether
you
do
the
addition
or
not
in
order
to
renovate
this
home,
wouldn't
you
have
to
take
a
look
at
that
strokes
report
and.
L
Yeah,
the
the
the
state
of
the
house,
I
mean
any
other
neighborhood,
it
would
be
torn
down
there,
it's
most
by
most
people's
conditions.
I
think
it's
beyond
point
of
repair.
My
client
is
going
to
rehabilitate
that
assuming
we
move
forward.
Obviously,
but
you
know
I
think
floor.
Joists
are
salvageable,
probably
some
of
the
ceiling
raptors
or
the
roof
rafters
a
lot
of
it's
going
to
be
reconstructed,
probably
in
pieces
from
the
inside
out.
L
L
We
also
should
introduce
plywood
a
vapor
barrier
and
then
reintroduce
the
siding
on
the
outside,
of
that.
This
house
right
now
just
has
two
by
four
studs,
with
the
siding
on
the
outside,
not
to
say
that
can't
be
buttoned
up
and
cleaned
up,
but
the
condition
of
the
siding
is
so
bad
that
I
mean
I
can
stick
my
pen
through
most
areas
of
the
house.
In
addition
to
that,
the
report
shows
that
a
good
deal
of
the
nails
have
rusted
through
so
even
what's.
Holding
the
siding
on
is
probably
not
good
enough
for
today's
standards.
L
D
L
L
So
we
would
remove
the
inside,
assess
the
situation
and
then
work
with
staff
work
with
the
inspectors
to
make
sure
we
come
up
with
a
plan
of
rehabilitation
that
is
appropriate
for
what
conditions
are
present
based
upon
the
structural
report
and
by
what
I'm
assuming
is
we're
going
to
find.
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
new
wood
that
needs
to
be
applied
to
what's
existing.
L
I
know
all
the
existing
openings
are
going
to
need
to
be
reframed
to
meet
florida
building
code
and
even
to
have
something
that
we
can
even
attach
a
window
to
so
our
hope
is
to
be
sensitive.
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
go
in
there
and
just
tear
down
this
house
and
rebuild
it.
The
idea
is
to
preserve
as
much
of
what
we
have
and
and
rehabilitate
it
and
then
introduce
sensitive
details
to
match
what
was
what
was
there
previously.
D
L
It
does
mention
them
they're,
they're,
all
at
the
very
least
need
reglazed
for
sure.
Most
of
them
are
in
pretty
poor
condition.
The
wood's
rotten
there's
termite
damage,
so
I
really
don't
think
any
of
them
are
salvageable
and
therefore-
and
especially
since
we're
going
to
have
to
replace
the
framing
and
all
around
the
window
openings.
I
think
at
that
point,
even
if,
if
there
was
anything
left,
I
think
in
the
removal
process
it
might
get
damaged
and
destroyed.
L
L
There's
been
thought
to
it,
I
don't
think
it's
financially
feasible
for
the
condition
of
them.
We
would
certainly
entertain
that,
if,
if
when
we
get
to
the
point
of
when
we
have
a
contractor
involved-
and
they
can
help
us
determine
if
any
of
them
are
salvageable,
we
will
certainly
do
that.
D
L
The
the
grade
on
our
site
actually
slopes
from
well
from
the
north
side
to
gunby,
so
there's
there's
a
pretty
good
drop
off.
I
mean
it's
probably
a
foot
from
side
to
side
on
the
property,
so
we
may
be
able
to
address
that
with
phil
I'd
say
on
the
north
side,
but
as
we
fall
off
towards
gunbee,
I
think
it
creates
a
bigger
problem,
so
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
maintain.
L
L
I
think
the
the
porch
was
there
obviously,
and
the
intent
was
there,
but
most
of
it
has
been
rebuilt
at
some
point.
The
front
columns
are
completely
gone.
I've
opened
that
up.
So
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do-
and
I've
looked
for
pictures
we're
trying
to
use
examples
from
the
neighborhood
and
other
details
that
we
can
reintroduce
and
make
that
detail
more
period,
appropriate.
L
We
would
our
preference
is
standing
seam
for
the
longevity.
The
5v
crimp
obviously
introduces
the
potential
for
more
water
damage,
but
to
to
be
that
would
not
be
a
sticking
point.
We
would
certainly
approve
that
as
a
condition.
D
L
L
You
know.
If
it
is
visible,
we
don't
want
it
to
be
unattractive,
so
the
hope
was
that
we
would
stuck
out
of
that
that
face
of
that
block
and
and
paint
it.
D
L
Let's
to
answer
your
question:
it's
just
going
to
match:
what's
there
it's
a
six-inch
exposure,
lap,
siding
with
a
bevel.
L
Well,
I
mean
I'll,
show
you
a
picture
of
the
existing
siding
so
we're
it's
not
an
atypical
side
and
we're
going
to
match.
What's
there
and
I
think,
what's
there
is
pine,
we
would
probably
introduce
a
cypress
or
cedar
versus
using
pine.
L
L
Yes,
we,
my
client,
has
from
day
one
wanted
to
have
a
rooftop
element
that
he
could
see
the
water.
So
we
considered
all
elements.
L
Issue
being
is
that
that
was
a
big
part
of
my
program.
So
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
downplay
that
as
much
as
possible
make
it
a
feature
that
we
can
use,
but
it's
not
overwhelming
it
can't
be
seen
from
the
from
the
pedestrian
level.
For
the
most
part,
when
you
look
at
the
front
elevation,
it's
it's
visible,
but
it's
not
overwhelming.
L
E
It's
I
thought
it
was
two
cars
just
one
car.
It's
just.
L
We
also
tried
to
set
back
the
sort
of
connection
piece
to
mimic
a
detached
structure.
L
I
mean,
I
know
it's
not
a
detached
structure,
but
we're
trying
to
play
with
in
and
out
to
give
it
a
variety
and
and
keep
some
of
the
similar
scaling
and
mass
of
the
original
house
as
far
as
the
roof
forms.
E
Okay,
I
know
you
presented
all
kinds
of
other
options
that
you
looked
at
with
the
detached
garage.
Have
you
considered
just
not
having
a
garage
and
maybe
having
some
sort
of
just
covered
parking.
L
We
have
similar
anytime,
you
have
covered
parking
similar.
You
have
to
have
the
separation
from
the
main
house,
we've
considered
no
garage
at
all.
Honestly,
it
introduced
it's
challenging
on
the
site.
L
We
have
to
then
provide
parking
in
the
front
of
the
house,
which
I
showed
in
some
of
those
diagrams
requires
a
very
long
driveway,
and
then
we
have
really
only
the
ability
to
park
one
car
with
the
amount
of
room
that
we
have
so
then
the
other
car
would
have
to
go
somewhere
off
of
the
alley
or
the
rear,
in
which
case
really
limits
our
other
options
of
developing
this
site.
Again,
we
only
have
the
back
49
of
the
lot
to
work
with
the
front.
L
51
percent
is
all
a
part
of
the
rehabilitation
of
the
house,
so
we're
limited
with
and
I'll
admit,
a
very
aggressive
program,
but
but
also
limited
site
to
work
with.
Okay.
Thank
you.
That's
really
alert.
I
There
is
not
the
elaborate
report
that
was
circulated
this
evening,
but
I
did
see
some
structural
analysis
of
the
building
their
prior
owners
and
and
when
this
first
went
on
the
market.
Probably
two
three
years
ago,
you
know
the
first
request
that
came
in
was
demolition
of
the
contributing
structure.
I
So
you
know
we,
we
never
got
a
real
positive
request
for
that.
That
made
it
to
the
board.
The
prior
owner
did
look
at,
you
know
renovating,
as
the
current
owner
is
doing
now
with
rehabilitation
and
then
doing
an
addition.
So
there
there
has
been
multiple
structural
analysis
presented
to
us.
I
have
not
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
complete
package
that
was
submitted
tonight.
D
H
Commissioner
taylor,
you
can't
provide
testimony
regarding
this
application.
Just.
C
A
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about.
We
talked
about
the
garage
already
the
entry
door
and
the
the
window
with
the
side
lights
at
the
front.
A
E
L
A
L
Right
and
so
I'm
also
concerned
when
we
get
into
the
realities
of
meeting
building
code,
that
the
the
porch
sits
up
a
little
higher
than
the
30
inches.
Now
we
might
be
able
to
mitigate
that
there
may
be
a
requirement
where
we
need
to
raise
that
railing
to
a
36
inch
height.
If
that
happens,
the
condition
that's
present,
there
will
not
work
now
as
a
condition
if,
if
we
can
make
it
work
and
it's
a
non-issue
and
the
board
would
rather
us
keep
that
window,
we
will
do.
We
will
do
so.
L
A
A
But-
and
I
do
want
to
commend
you
and
your
client
for
trying
to
rehabilitate
and
save
this
house,
because
I
know
how
easy
it
is
for
many
to
just
come
forward
and
say
it's
it's
a
goner.
Let's
just
take
it
away
and
anything
we
can
do
to
save
our
fabric
is
important
to
our
communities,
especially
here
in
hyde
park.
A
I
mean
it
has
the
history
right
and
but
anything
that
we
can
do
to
save
as
much
as
the
elements
as
we
can,
I
think
is
important
the
story
here
of
that
front,
facade
and
yeah.
It's
an
odd
condition.
I
myself
find
the
header
condition
of
concern
in
terms
of
water
runoff,
as
a
water
intrusion.
Point
you've
mentioned
that
several
times
as
you've
run
around
the
building.
A
L
E
L
F
Is
it
also
possible
that
when
you
open
up
that
wall
on
the
inside
that
you'll
find
that
that
large
window
with
the
two
side
lights
was
perhaps
not
original,
it.
L
Very
well
could
be
I
I
it's
hard
to
say
on
this
house
because,
as
you
go
around
there's
so
many
pieces
that,
even
as
you
look
at
the
siding
like
in
one
aspect,
I
think
it
looks
great.
But
then
you
see
how
it
turns
the
corner
and
that
doesn't
align
with
the
other
siding,
and
sometimes
I
can't
figure
out
which
side's
original
it's
it's
really
hard
to
see,
but
yeah.
We
that
that
could
be
a
potential
issue.
E
A
All
right,
I
do
not
have
another
question
at
this
time.
Does
anyone
else
have
a
question
for
the
applicant?
No,
so
you
have
five
minutes
now
for
rebuttal.
If
you
want,
you
can
add
anything
else
into
the
record.
L
These
projects
is,
you
know,
we're
involved
in
that
process,
so
as
pieces
are
coming
apart,
we're
trying
to
help
figure
out
how
to
put
them
back
together
in
the
most
appropriate
form
and
also
make
this
house
work.
I
mean
that's
the
issues
that
I
have
on
houses
that
aren't
put
back
together
in
the
right
fashion.
It
comes
down
to
mold
and
mildew
and
humidity
issues,
and
if
we
don't
do
this
right,
we
will
introduce
a
lot
of
problems.
L
So
it's
important
that
as
we
dissect
this
and
rehabilitate
it
that
we
do
do
it
right
and
we
make
sure
that
it
it's
going
to
last,
because
we
do
want
it
to
last
they're.
Going
to
invest
a
lot,
they've
already
invested
a
lot
into
this
property
and
they're
going
to
invest
a
lot
of
money,
and
I
think
that
it
makes
sense
to
to
allow
us
to
take
the
steps
necessary
to
make
sure
that
this
house
does
stay
in
its
present
form.
A
D
To
save
the
house,
those
renovations
are
gonna
have
to
be
done
anyway,
whether
there's
an
addition,
that's
twice
as
big
as
the
original
house
or
not.
D
So
for
me,
that's
a
sticking
point
the
front
door
and
the
removal
of
that.
What
I
tend
to
believe
is
an
original
window
is
also
another
sticking
point.
C
You
know,
I
wonder
about
the
the
original
structure
and
and
how
bad
off
it
actually
is.
A
Mindful
way,
and
even
though
many
of
us
are
educated
in
the
building
arts,
it
would
be,
it
would
have
been
great
to
have
had
that
earlier,
but
based
on
my
brief
review
of
it,
it
didn't
seem
out
of
the
ordinary
and
inconsistent
with
other
reports
that
we've
seen.
E
C
In
the
condition
that
it
is,
you
know,
you
know
to
take
off
a
little
more
than
a
third
of
the
original
building
fabric
to
create
a
brand
new
addition
kind
of
like
flies
in
the
in
the
face
of
of
of
the
basic
mandate
that,
if
you
make,
in
addition
to
an
existing
structure,
that's
protected.
If
that
addition
were
to
be
removed,
how
much
of
that
existing
fabric
is
left
behind
we've
taken
away?
You
know
the
proposal
is
taking
away
at
least
a
third
of
the
original
structure.
E
A
So
that
we
truly
get
a
good
good
eye,
good
sense
of
what
really
is
going
on
what's
feasible
and
we
understand
the
financial
implications
of
that.
But
there
is
also
a
mandate
within
the
guidelines
that
and
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
that
as
much
as
possible
to
save
the
original
contributing
elements
as
possible
and
a
third
that's
quite
a
lot.
It.
C
Is
quite
a
lot
sam,
it
is
quite
a
lot-
and
this
is
a
very
aggressive
program
being
presented
here
tonight,
although
we
don't
have
a
we've,
not
had
an
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
what
the
interiors
of
these
areas
are
going
to
be
really
looking
or
functioning
like.
But
you
know:
that's
that's
where
we
get
this
mass
from
and
it's
it's
the
kind
of
a
program
that
isn't
originally
accommodated
by.
You
know
this
diminutive
original
structure.
A
E
E
A
From
bayshore
absolutely
and-
and
that
was
a
point
that
was
made
during
the
presentation
and
seeing
that
view
down
bay
shore-
you
know
you
absolutely
understand
when
you
whip
around
and
look
back
towards
the
house,
you
see
that
and
those
vantage
points
those
views
right
from
the
sidewalk
just
don't
help,
because
you
know
in
reality,
you're
going
to
see
more
of
that
as
you
step
further
back,
we.
E
E
A
Yeah,
the
garage,
a
lot
of
points
were
made
about
multi-family
being
present,
especially
within
the
immediate
block,
and
I
get
why
those
are
brought
up
because
of
massing
but
they're.
Also
a
different
typology.
A
So
you
know
multi-family
can
construction
versus
a
single
family
even
historically
they
they
live
together,
but
not
one
mimicked,
the
other,
typically,
and
so
having
those
accessories
structures
separated
from
the
prime
ring
is,
is
basically
a
wolf
throughout
all
our
historic.
E
F
I
just
think
that
I
can
con.
I
can
occur
with
many
of
my
other
commissioners
that
the
accessory
structure
is
a
much
better
way
to
approach
something
in
this
area.
E
E
D
A
So
do
we
have
a
motion
that
anyone
would
like
to.
E
L
Yeah,
it
sounds
to
me
that
we
have
a
lot
of
issues
to
address
and
I'd
rather
rather
than
go
to
a
vote,
and
I
don't
feel
like
we
have
the
majority
support
of
the
board.
I'd
rather
ask
for
a
continuance
and
and
address
the
comments
you
brought
to
us
before.
H
So
if
we
could
just
have
a
motion
regarding
the
continuance-
and
I
believe
the
next
available
date
is,
after
october
october,
6th
or
october.
A
I
I
I
apologize
okay,
so
so
after
further
discussion
with
everybody,
all
the
decision
makers
october
6
2021
at
6
pm
is
our
next
available
date.
They
have
a
very
truncated
deadline
to
to
modify
their
drawing
to
have
them
in.
We
will
work
with
them.
They've
heard
the
discussion,
that's
here
and
some
of
the
challenging
points
that
they
need
to
address
for
some
reason.
If
that
doesn't
work
for
the
deadline
for
the
architect
and
the
owner,
that's
possibly
we'll
be
traveling.