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D
It
is
the
citizens
review
board's
job
to
be
to
review
the
cases
and
render
an
opinion
as
to
whether
the
investigation
was
done
according
to
department
policies
and
procedures.
The
citizens
review
board
members
are
provided
the
investigative
files
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
The
citizens
review
board
will
hear
from
the
department
whenever
matters
of
interest
or
importance
are
requested
for
review
by
the
board
or
the
department.
D
The
coordinator
for
the
board
is
captain
patrick
mesmer.
Any
person
who
wishes
to
make
a
complaint
concerning
a
matter
which
may
be
considered
by
the
professional
standards
bureau
should
see
captain
mesmer
for
information
on
how
to
file
a
complaint.
The
board
should
not
discuss
matters
where
the
city
or
the
department
may
likely
be
a
party
in
litigation.
B
B
A
Hello,
my
name
is
joseph
nojava,
I'm
from
the
north
tampa
area.
My
I
guess
my
question
would
be
if
there's
been
any
reports
on
or
word
from
or
word
about,
the
noise
ordinance
that
was
recently
passed
and
if
anybody
has
been
cited
or
pulled
over
as
a
result
of
that
I
mean,
I
think,
just
in
general,
you
know
ordinance
like
ordinances
like
that,
have
a
lot
of
potential
to
be
misused
and
to
target
you
know
african-american
or
latino
communities
populations.
A
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
been
any
kind
of
issue
with
that
so
far,
I
I
definitely
think
you
know
it
has
a
lot
of
potential
for
abuse
and
that's
you
know
kind
of
concerning
considering
the
city's.
You
know
history
with
things
like
biking,
while
black
and
renting
while
black
you
know,
I
definitely
would
not
want
a
repeat
of
that
sort
of
policy
that
has
led
to
you
know
federal
investigation.
E
A
B
A
Hello,
noah
myers,
I'm
from
the
temple
terrace
area.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
was
at
the
meeting
last
month
and,
quite
frankly,
I
want
to
say
that
I
was
a
little
bit
appalled.
There
were
a
few
members
here
who
were
showing
active
disdain
to
their
duty.
A
I
didn't
like
that
quite
one
bit,
because
when
you
guys
act
that
way,
the
anxiety
that
that
occurs
in
the
community
is
translated
back
into
the
black
and
brown
communities
that
we're
supposed
to
be
protecting
that
are
supposed
to
be
safe
and
not
you
know
it
should
raise
alarm
bells
to
every
single
one
of
the
members
here
that
the
police
were
able
to
set
up
a
program
that
efficiently
targeted
black
people
at
95
rate,
the
crime
free
housing
program
that
that
should
raise
the
biggest
alarm
bell
possible.
I
mean
you
quite
frankly.
A
B
Typically,
I
would
request
that
if
there
were
voicemail
set
up
for
public
comment
as
well,
if
you
will
miss
miss
camario
perez,
michael,
if
you
can
share
with
us
in
reference
to
the
voicemail
number
and
the
complaint
in
reference
to
the
difference
between
public
comment
portion
and
the
complaint
line,.
F
I'll
address
that,
because
I
was
here
when
all
that
got
set
up
mike
schmidt
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
voicemail
got
set
up
during
covid,
and
so
there
was
no
voicemail
option
prior
to
kovitt,
but
voicemail
became
an
option
once
covid
hit
and
we
wanted
to
give
people
the
opportunity
to
provide
public
comments
by
voicemail.
So
we
set
up
a
voicemail
option
and
that
went
out
on
the
notice
of
the
hearings.
F
I
would
say
over
the
couple
of
years
that
we've
had
it.
There
have
been,
maybe
one
or
two
comments.
Every
month
we
check
it.
I
have
somebody
in
my
office
check
the
voicemail
line
and
then
I
report
back
every
month
about
whether
or
not
there's
been
any
comments.
For
example,
I
had
my
assistant
check
it
today.
There
were
no
comments,
so
I
normally
come
back
and
report
to
you
whether
or
not
there
are
any
comments
left
on
the
voicemail,
since
we
are
back
in
person
since
we
are
meeting
here.
F
I'm
not
sure
if
this
board
wishes
to
continue
to
maintain
that
phone
number
again,
there's
only
been
a
couple
of
comments
ever
posted
on
it,
and
I,
I
obviously
think
it's
for
the
board's
consideration,
whether
or
not
it
wishes
to
maintain
that
phone
number
or
to
obviously
we're
going
to
continue
to
always
have
public
comments
here
in
person
now.
So
it's
I
guess
up
to
the
chair
and
the
board
whether
or
not
y'all
wish
to
maintain
that
phone
line
for
public
comments.
B
I
have
a
question:
is
that
the
same
with
the
written
comments
that
we.
A
So
kamari
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
So
if
it's
the
pleasure
of
the
board
to
allow
members
of
the
public
public
to
email
public
comment,
we
could
have
an
email
be
present
to
the
clerk
and
I
could
work
with
the
clerk
regarding
sending
public
comment
to
the
clerk.
But
that's
what
is
now
determined
for
the
board
to
decide
how
you
want
to
move
forward.
Do
you
want
public
comment
for
those
individuals
who
can't
attend
in
person
to
provide
public
comment
through
email
to
the
clerk?
A
Or
would
you
like
to
still
that's
the
purpose
of
sending
your
public
comment
in
advance?
The
phone
number
you
know
poses
the
problem
with
leaving
a
message
transcribing
the
message
whether
or
not
you
transcribe
the
message
correctly.
So
it's
just
the
pleasure
of
the
board
how
you
would
like
to
proceed.
G
Yes,
board
chair,
so
I
would
like
to
be
I'm
in
favor
of
having
an
email,
a
message
being
sent
someone
reached
out
to
me
prior
to
this
meeting
with
a
complaint
and
wanting
to
know
how
they
could
register
that
complaint,
and
I
think
email
will
be
a
sufficient,
efficient
way
of
getting
that
complaint
into
our
hands.
E
E
G
I've
I
move
that
we
allow
communications
to
the
civilian
review
board
by
both
by
telephone
by
or
voicemail
by.
E
B
Robert
irvin
has
placed
the
motion
on
the
floor
in
reference
to
having
public
comment
be
accessible
to
the
public
in
reference
to
email,
voicemail
and
by
by
written
or
in
person.
Mr
valdez
has
second
that
motion
any
further
discussion
with
the
team
with
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
please
show
by
raise
a
hand
in
their
pose.
They
show
by
raising
hand
that
motion
passes
we'll
continue
that
method
and.
B
We
have
been
blessed
with
the
attendance
of
our
chief
of
police,
so
I,
if
you
will.
H
If
I
made
just
a
response
to
the
public
comment,
mr
nahava's
concern
about
about
the
noise
ordinance.
Could
we
request
from
the
police
department
some
kind
of
report
on
any
kind
of
activity
or
implementation
of
that
noise
ordinance?
B
C
C
So
the
way
that
it
currently
works
is
that
there
is
a
50-foot
rule
that
is
prohibited
by
city,
ordinance,
that
if
an
officer
hears
a
a
vehicle
traveling
at
a
certain
decibel
rate
within
50
feet
of
the
officer
that
they
could
be
sighted
with
a
city
ordinance.
That
law
is
changing
effective
october
1.
C
to
a
florida
traffic
law
where
it's
going
to
be
reduced
down
to
25
feet.
Okay,
so,
instead
of
a
city
ordinance
violation,
it
will
be
able
to
be
punishable
by
a
uniform
traffic
citation
or
a
ticket,
and
it
also
reduces
the
number
down
to
25
feet.
So
we
have
not
enforced
this
new
law
as
of
yet
because
it's
not
effective
until
october
1.
C
as
with
any
new
law.
Obviously
our
goal
at
the
police
department
is
prevention
and
then
intervention,
and
then,
lastly,
enforcement.
So
with
this
new
traffic
law,
just
like
any
other
new
city,
ordinance
or
any
law,
we
would
start
with
an
education
component
to
anyone
that
is
stopped
within
the
25
feet
of
the
loud
noise
emitting
from
the
vehicle.
We
would
warn
and
we
would
educate
on
the
new
law
prior
to
any
enforcement
action.
C
If
you'd
like
to.
We
could
report
back
at
some
point
after
october
1
on
any
statistics
of
any
numbers
of
warnings
or
any
numbers
of
citations
that
we
are
writing.
But
again
we
do
currently
write
city
ordinance
violations,
but
it's
for
the
50-foot
rule.
So
yes,
sir.
E
Question
so
you
said,
is
going
to
cover
the
entire
state
of
florida.
C
I
I
C
I
I
And
then
the
other,
when
you
say
prevention,
intervention
and
enforcement
can
just
briefly,
can
you
tell
us
with
prevention,
trying
to
do
the
education,
but
once
a
person
is
stopped,
the
first
time
will
they
be?
I
know
we've
done
things
like
that
and
part
of
education
or
intervention
may
have
been
given
warnings.
Will
we
be
required
not
to
give
warnings
but
to
give
tickets,
or
can
you
just
briefly
tell.
C
No,
we
we're
never
we're,
never
requiring
a
citation,
or
you
know
I
mean.
Obviously
the
goal
of
our
department
is
to
start
with
a
prevention
effort
which
would
be
that
education
piece.
You
know
making
you
know
giving
everyone
the
benefit
of
the
doubt
that
they
don't
necessarily
know
about
the
25-foot
rule,
which
I
think
is
fair
and
when
you
educate
the
public-
and
you
say:
okay,
you
have
to
lower
your.
You
know
your
your
volume
so
that
we
can't
hear
it.
C
C
C
If
there's
no
other
questions
I
have,
I
believe
you
have
two
things
on
the
agenda
tonight
from
myself.
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
presentation.
That's
on
the
screen.
It's
a
brief
presentation
about
our
violent
crime
involving
firearms.
As
all
of
you
know,
when
violent
crime
involving
firearms
is
prevalent
in
the
city,
there
really
is
no
other
priority
other
than
the
police
to
try
to
prevent
do,
intervention
techniques
and,
lastly,
enforcement
of
violent
crime
involving
firearms.
C
So
we
have
a
pretty
good
picture
right
now
of
what
we're
doing
in
the
in
the
department
just
a
quick
overview.
The
slides
cover
the
overall
violent
crime
statistics,
our
non-fatal
shootings,
our
population
versus
our
crime
rate,
our
gun
seizures
and
our
stolen
gun
numbers.
And
again
I'm
going
to
explain
all
of
this
to
you
so
violent
crime,
offenses
with
a
firearm,
are
broken
down
into.
C
You
know
four
categories
that
you
see
here,
which
is
an
aggravated
assault
with
a
firearm
which
is
like
pointing
a
gun
at
somebody,
a
homicide
involving
a
firearm,
a
robbery
with
a
firearm
or
a
sexual
battery
that
involved
a
firearm.
And
if
you
see
the
first
column
is
2022
year
to
date,
so
this
is
january
through
july
and
then
2021
for
the
same
period.
As
you
can
see.
Our
aggravated
assaults
involving
a
firearm
are
down
12,
which
is
a
great
number.
C
You
know
359
victims,
the
same
period
in
2021
versus
316
now
and
then
the
other
categories
are
slightly
up,
but
as
you
can
see
by
the
numbers,
they're
not
they're,
not
you
know.
Crazy
volume
of
numbers
like
the
sexual
battery
with
the
firearm
is
up
50,
because
there
was
one
more
case
this
year
for
the
same
period
last
year.
So
overall,
I'm
happy
to
report.
Violent
crime
involving
a
firearm
in
the
city
of
tampa
year
to
date
is
down
seven
percent
total,
which
involves
all
of
these
categories.
C
These
are
our
non-fatal
shootings
2020
through
2022
year-to-date.
Obviously,
a
non-fatal
shooting
is
where
someone
gets
shot
but
doesn't
pass
away
as
a
result
of
the
of
the
shooting
and,
as
you
can
see,
2022
we
are
down
compared
to
the
same
period
in
2021.
C
Our
overall
gun
crime
by
district,
as
you
guys
know,
the
geographical
boundaries
of
district
one
are
pretty
much
south
tampa
macdill
air
force
base
west
tampa
district
2
is
new.
Tampa
everything
down
bush
boulevard
down
to
hillsboro
avenue
in
district
3,
as
you
know,
is
hillsboro
avenue
all
the
way
down
to
downtown
ebore,
and
this
is
the
gun
crime
by
district
year-to-date.
Obviously,
district
three
is
our
heaviest
district
as
far
as
gun
crime
is
concerned,
and
district
one
is
our
lowest,
but
this
just
gives
you
a
picture
of
where
we
are
by
district.
C
These
are
just
some
demographics
of
gun.
You
know
the
total
demographics
in
the
city
of
tampa
versus
gun,
victim,
race,
demographics
and
gun
suspect,
race.
Demographics.
C
These
demographics
may
come
into
play
later
with
the
presentation
that
captain
messmer
has
on
our
new
traffic,
stop
dashboard
gun
seizures.
This
is
a
very.
This
is
a
good
slide
also
because
these
are
guns
that
are
taken
as
a
result
of
either
a
traffic
stop
or
a
pedestrian
stop
or
some
investigation
that
leads
to
an
illegal
firearm
being
taken
off
the
street,
which
is
a
good
thing.
C
So,
as
you
can
see,
district
one
is
down
a
little
bit
this
year,
but
district
two
and
three
are
con
significantly
up
in
district
three,
particularly
which
is
a
pretty
high.
You
know,
historically
high
crime
area
with
gun
crime
for
us,
as
you
saw
on
the
previous
slide,
you
know
the
officers
on
the
street
through
their
hard
work
and
diligence,
have
managed
to
take
442
firearms
off
the
street.
C
This
just
the
first
half
of
2022
as
compared
to
you
know
almost
100
over
100
less
than
the
same
period
last
year,
but
with
the
positives
of
the
gun.
Seizures
also
comes
the
negatives,
and
I
wanted
you,
as
the
citizen
review
board,
to
be
aware
of
the
you
know,
marked
high
incidence
of
stolen
guns
out
of
unlocked,
auto
burglaries.
C
C
So,
as
you
can
see,
our
stolen
guns
out
of
auto
burglaries,
50
of
our
rate
of
auto
burglaries
that
have
guns
stolen,
are
unlocked
and
only
nine
percent
are
locked.
So
you
know
it's
something
that
we
as
a
community
have
to
do
better.
Obviously,
these
stolen
guns
are
often
ending
up
in
you
know
the
hands
of
the
the
bad
guys
that
are
wanting
to
use
them
in
a
bad
way.
So
these
are.
This
is
what
you
would
call
like:
a
heat
map
of
our
shootings,
2022
versus
2021.
C
We
did
not
include
new,
tampa
or
or
south
tampa
way
down
by
the
air
force
base,
because
the
number
of
shootings
is
fairly
insignificant
in
those
two
areas,
but,
as
you
can
see,
just
from
2022
to
2021,
most
of
our
shooting
incidents
do
occur
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
city
of
tampa
and
that's
pretty
much
it.
If
anybody
had
any
questions
on
any
of
those
statistics,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
C
C
C
They're
yeah,
they
are
kind
of
clustered.
I
mean
they
are
pretty
much
on
mostly
on
the
east
side
of
the
city,
which
has
just
historically
been
been
that
you
know
that
way.
C
I
Under
the
stolen
gun,
which
you
indicated
was
really
plaguing
the
city,
I
think
the
unlocked
locked
and
then
the
others
what
is
encompassing
the
others.
C
That's
where
a
a
gun
is
stolen
out
of
something
other
than
a
vehicle,
so
that
would
be
a
residential
burglary
or
a
theft
from
you
know
a
business
of
some
sort.
So
these
are
the
total
stolen
guns
in
the
city.
We
just
wanted
to
show
you
that
a
large
number
of
them
are
from
unlocked
vehicles.
Okay,.
I
B
Obviously,
the
fifth
percent
of
the
stolen
guns
that
end
up
in
bad
situations
is
the
guns
coming
from
a
particular
area
that
those
patrons
aren't
locking
their
guns
up.
Have
we
identified
a
certain
area
where
there's
a
lot
of
burglary,
where
it
consists
of
a
firearm
being
stolen.
C
Well,
unfortunately,
the
unlocked
vehicle
problem
is
a
city-wide
problem.
I
I
would
have
thought
that
it
would
have
been
you
know
down
in
you
know.
Maybe
south
tampa
or
you
know
I
don't
know,
people
feel
comfortable
leaving
their
vehicles
unlocked.
But
surprisingly,
it
is
a
city-wide
problem.
It's
very
evenly
spread
throughout
the
city.
E
C
C
C
Okay,
the
recovered
guns
are
ones
that
are
even
either
taken
as
evidence
through
investigations,
but
also
found
property
right.
So
we
had
a
gun
buy
back
earlier
this
year
you
guys
may
have
heard
we
took
a
thousand
guns
off
the
street.
It
was
very
successful.
Those
are
all
entered
as
recovered
firearms.
Okay,
that's
I
was
wondering
so
the
recovered
numbers
would
be
different.
G
C
C
Yes,
if
we're
able
to
we
do
so
if
we're
able
to
identify
where
a
gun
was
stolen
from.
Obviously
it's
going
to
be
that
person
is
going
to
be
a
suspect
in
that
offense,
whether
it
was
an
auto
burglary
or
a
residential,
burglary
or
whatever,
but
we
also
have
technology
available
where
we
use
shot
spotter,
where
we
can
look
at
evidence
recovered
from
shooting
incidents
and
try
to
tie
that
evidence
to
other
shooting
incidents
around
the
city.
C
So
we
can
see
whether
or
not
a
gun
that
we
may
have
recovered
was
used
in
previous
firearm
related
offenses,
which
obviously
helps
with
our
closure
rate.
If
we
find
someone
with
a
crime
gun-
and
it's
related
to
multiple
offenses,
we
can,
we
can,
you
know
sometimes
make
a
case
on
that
person
for
multiple
charges.
G
Do
you
have
the
figures
that
would
that
or
the
data
available
from
guns
that
were
stolen
out
of
unlocked
vehicles
and
then,
in
fact,
using
criminal
activity.
C
I
don't
have
that.
We
should
probably
start
tracking
that
I
think
that
that's
reasonable
to
ask
now
that
we've
identified
such
a
problem.
C
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
safe
to
say
that
you
know
if
someone's
taking
a
gun
out
of
an
unlocked
car,
they
probably
don't
have
any
good
intention
with
it,
but
I
do
think
it's.
I
do
think
it's
reasonable
for
us
to
maybe
at
the
end
of
the
year,
see
how
many
of
those
guns
we've
recovered
and
in
what
type
of
a
situation
we
can
provide
that.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome.
E
C
There
was
not
a
lot
of
times:
gun.
Buybacks
are
not
directly
related
to
crime,
that's
actively
occurring.
What
the
goal
is
is
to
prevent
those
guns
being
involved
in
future
crimes.
So
we
didn't
see
any
decline
after
the
gun
buyback,
but
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
an
unwanted
gun
by
anybody
is
a
good
gun
to
not
have
on
the
street.
You
know,
if
someone's
you
know,
if
someone
has
a
family
member
pass
away
and
they
have
no
reason
for
the
gun
anymore.
That
was
the
purpose
of
the
gun
buyback.
C
We
got
anonymous
donations
to
the
tune
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
so
we
were
able
to
pay
the
public
for
the
guns
and
we
got
over
a
thousand
off
the
street
and
we
destroy
those
firearms
by
the
way
we
don't
keep
them
for
any
other
reason,
so
I
can't
say
there's
a
direct
correlation,
but
we
could
you
know
from
a
preventative
standpoint.
Those
are
guns
that
can't
be
stolen
and
used
illegally
because
they're
not
in
the
home
anymore,.
E
We're
just
curious
if
there
was
a
correlation
sure
and
the
second
question:
is
there
any
prevention
programming
that
will
be
geared
towards
our
youth,
most
of
the
numbers
or
the
the
the
incidents
that
are
that
makes
up.
These
numbers
are
incidents
regarding
our
youth.
So
is
there
any
type
of
programming
prevention
programming,
that's
going
to
happen
inside
the
schools
or
the
parks
and
rec,
so
that
we
can.
C
Yes,
yeah
so
since
I
took
since
I
took
over
here,
I've
been
very
committed
to
engaging
our
youth
in
very
positive
ways
to
avoid
you
know
to
that
prevention
piece
so
that
they
don't
believe
that
using
a
firearm
is
a
good
option.
C
I
think
that
our
young
people
are,
you
know,
obviously
immature
and
their
brains
aren't
fully
developed,
so
they
don't
understand
the
full
consequences
of
their
actions
and
then,
obviously,
with
all
of
the
school
violence
incidents
across
the
country,
we
need
to
be
keenly
aware
of
ways
that
we
can
positively
engage
our
youth,
whether
that's
through
engagements,
in
our
parks.
We
had
a
lot
of
parks
and
wreck
programs
this
summer,
where
the
police
and
parks
were
deeply
heavily
invested
in
the
community.
C
We
did
have
a
great
meeting
with
the
hillsborough
county
school
board.
The
superintendent
we
are,
you
know,
obviously
very
engaged
through
our
school
resource
officer
program,
we're
meeting
with
them.
You
know
we're
just
putting
out
the
hole
if
you
see
something
say
something
and
trying
to
get
the
youth
in
our
community
and
our
schools
to
have
trust
and
relationship
building
with
our
police
department.
So
I
mean
I
could
stand
up
here
all
night
and
tell
you
about
programs.
C
I
mean
we've
reinstituted
reinvigorated
our
tpd
chaplain
program,
so
we
have
our
chaplains
and
their
clergy
members.
You
know
preaching
on
sunday
about
you,
know,
youth
and
and
just
trust
in
the
community
and
safety
and
the
need
for
everyone
to
just
you
know
feel
positive
about
it.
C
B
I
Ma'am,
this
is
not
on
the
presentation,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
question
sure
the
information
that
we
all
have
been
hearing
on
the
news
about
resurfacing
of
the
bicycle.
C
To
say
anything,
no,
no!
No!
I
I'm
a
wide-open
book.
The
answer
is:
there's
no
reinstitution
of
any
program
period.
I
have
purposely
not
come
out
and
made
any
statements,
because
I
believe
that
the
viking,
while
black
issue,
even
though
it
was
very
important
to
the
community,
it
was
a
very
long
time
ago
and
we
have
since
changed
the
way
we
do
business
at
tpd.
C
So
I
really
didn't
want
to
revisit
anything
based
on
our
new
state
attorney
resending,
a
memo
because
there
was
no
policy
in
place
to
say,
go
out
and
write
these
tickets
as
of
the
last
several
years
here
at
tpd.
Nor
really
was
there
ever
to
begin
with.
It
was
a
very
well
intended.
C
What's
the
word,
I'm
looking
for
it's
a
well-intended
initiative
that
had
very
you
know,
unintended
consequences
and
I
just
really
feel
like
we
need
to
move
forward
instead
of
backwards.
So
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
questions
about
that,
but
I
have
obviously
purposely
avoided
it
because
I
just
don't
want
to
reignite
something:
that's
not
there
if
that
makes
sense.
Chief,
yes,
thank.
C
E
Yes,
sir,
I
also
just
wanted
to
add
and
also
wanted
to
do,
a
motion
earlier
or
later
today
regarding
the
biking
world,
citing
that
we
did
not
support
or
recommend
for
the
reinstatement
of
the
program.
You
know
shame
on
the
state
attorney
for
making
what
she
did
and
any
other
elected
official
for
you
know
putting
these
things
out
there
and
setting
our
community
backwards
when
it
comes
to
programs
like
like
this
of
this
nature.
E
C
Can
I
can
I
just
clarify
the
state
attorney's
position,
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
state
attorney,
but
her,
and
I
have
had
conversations
and
the
previous
state
attorney
had
a
standing
rule
that
there
were
certain
misdemeanor
crimes
that
if
they
occurred
as
a
result
of
a
bike,
stop
that
he
was
not
going
to
prosecute
them.
Okay,
the
current
state
attorney
rescinded
that,
but
she
never
said
that
she
is
going
to
institute
any
overt
act
to
try
to
arrest
people,
write,
citations
or
prosecute
certain
crimes.
C
Mr
warren
and
miss
lopez
were
basically
saying
the
same
thing,
but
I
think
it
might
have
just
been
a
little
misinterpreted,
so
I
just
want
you
to
know
from
the
police
department
standpoint
we're
not
changing
the
way
we
do
things.
We're
welcoming
the
fact
that
every
case
is
going
to
be
reviewed.
That's
all
that's
all,
because
we
don't
want
to
change
the
way
you
know.
C
I
just
want
to
make
it
very
clear
that
the
standard
of
a
police
officer
making
a
stop
on
a
bike
or
a
car
or
whatever,
and
the
standard
of
whether
or
not
any
charges
as
stem
as
a
result
from
that
get
prosecuted.
It's
two
very
different
standards
and
we're
two
very
different
departments
that
operate
independently.
E
You,
okay,
you're,
welcome,
so
definitely
just
want
to
keep
the
motion
on
the
floor
that
this
board
does
not
support
the
program
biking
while
black
or
any
program
that
targets
the
black
brown
and
latino
community.
B
Before
we
move
forward
on
any
particular
motion
and
further
discussion,
is
there
any
other
questions
for
our
chief
in
reference
to
the
issues?
The
presentation
that
we
had
tonight.
C
Okay,
your
motion,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
all
know
about
my
community
impact
team.
This
has
been
a
program
that
previous
administrations
implemented
and
I
think
it's
a
really
good
idea
to
have
a
segment
of
the
community
above
and
beyond
yourselves,
that
I
can
just
have
kind
of
like
eyes
and
ears
out
on
the
street
to
kind
of
tell
me
what
you
know:
deployments
need
to
be
adjusted
like
what
the
issues
are
in
the
community.
C
I
think
I'd
like
to
invite
a
cross-section
of
the
city
to
apply
to
be
on
the
community
impact
team,
and
then
I
can
just
have
regular
conversations
with
a
cross-segment
of
our
entire
community
that
represents
the
that
represents
the
community
so
that
I
can
hear
from
them,
because
I
don't
believe
that
the
tampa
police
department
can
operate
efficiently
without
having
a
voice.
Everyone
having
a
voice
at
the
table,
and
I
think
that
just
this
just
gives
me
another
opportunity
to
have
like
an
advisory
board.
C
So
I'm
just
going
to
be
forming
a
community
impact
team,
we're
going
to
put
an
online
application
on
the
website,
probably
in
the
next
few
months,
just
to
see
who's
invited,
I'm
not
going
to
limit
the
number
of
people,
I'm
just
going
to
see
what
kind
of
interest
there
is,
and
we
can
report
back
to
you
in
a
couple
months
on
how
that
progress
is
going.
But
that's
just
another
program
that
I'm
implementing.
B
Any
any
questions
in
reference
to
the
the
community
impact
team.
C
J
Yes,
chief
o'connell,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
and
talking
to
us
this
evening.
We
have
not
had
the
pleasure
of
the
chiefs
this
this
engaged
with
us
in
the
past.
Frankly,
and
I
think
this
is
great
and
we
feel
like
I
mean
I
feel
like
the
information
you
gave
us
tonight
was
was
excellent
and
you
know
we
are
here
because
we
represent
our
communities
and
it's
great
to
have
you
here.
Thank
you
very
much
yeah.
I'm.
C
G
C
C
B
B
We
will
continue
with
the
agenda.
Moving
back
to
item
seven,
and
I
haven't
forgot
about
your
motion
that
you
stated
on
the
floor.
We
could
return
to
that
under
crb
staff
reports
in
business,
something
that
we
can
engage
in
discussion
with.
But
let's
continue
with
the
agenda
under
item
seven
items
to
be
reviewed
tonight,
we're
reviewing
case
20f-142.
K
All
right,
thank
you,
sir
captain
patrick
messmer,
tampa
police,
professional
standards.
Before
I
start
this,
I
just
want
to
clarify
one
thing
that
the
chief
said
she
made
a
comment
about
the
the
new
noise
statute
about
october
1st,
so
the
statute
was
passed
by
the
florida
legislature.
It
actually
went
into
effect
on
july
1st.
However,
part
of
that
bill
requires
the
department
of
highway
safety
and
motor
vehicles
to
provide
guidance
and
training
about
the
enforcement
of
that
statute,
which
they
have
not
done
so
we
have
not.
We
have.
K
Actually,
our
legal
team
has
sent
out
a
message
to
all
the
officers
about
that.
That
statute
cannot
be
enforced
until
that
guidance
is
provided,
which
we
were
hoping
to
have
by
october
1st.
So
there
was
not
a
hard
and
fast
october,
first
date
for
that
statute,
but
we're
not
going
to
enforce
the
new
changed
noise
statute
until
the
department
of
highway
safety
motor
vehicles
provides
that
clarification
that
the
the
law
requires
them
to
provide.
So
that's.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
because
technically
the
the
statute
is
in
effect
right
now.
K
K
I
will
move
on
to
the
case,
so
this
case
involved
a
standard
of
conduct
violation
by
one
of
our
reserve
officers.
Our
reserve
officer
was
working
in
an
off-duty
job
at
emily
arena.
This
occurred
back
on
the
29th
of
september
2020.
This
was
the
night
that
the
lightning
ended
up
winning
the
stanley
cup,
so
he
was
working
the
watch
party
at
an
emily
arena
after
the
lightning
won
the
game.
K
People
started
climbing
up
on
polls
and
whatnot
one
individual
client
climbed
up
on
a
pole.
He
subsequently
knocked
the
pole
over
and
broke
the
pole.
There
were
a
group
of
officers
who
were
trying
to
take
that
individual
into
custody.
He
was
resisting
officer
o'connor
approached
to
try
to
assist
taking
that
individual
into
custody.
There
was
a
large
crowd
that
had
gathered
was
encircling
the
officers
who
were
trying
to
handcuff
that
person
who
was
on
the
ground
one
of
the
individuals.
There
was
actually
quite
a
few
individuals
in
the
crowd
surrounding
the
arrest.
K
K
K
This
case
was
initiated
when
our
supervisors
conducted
a
review
of
the
body-worn
camera
footage
of
the
arrest,
and
they
observed
the
officer
slapped
the
cell
phone
out
of
the
citizen's
hand,
this
citizen
is
unidentified.
He
never
came
forward,
never
made
any
complaints
so
based
on
the
totality,
the
evidence
and
the
interviews,
the
acting
major
at
the
time
sustained
a
violation
of
the
standard
of
conduct
policy
for
knocking
the
cell
phone
out
of
the
citizen's
hand.
K
The
officer
said
that
he
he
wasn't
sure
what
the
object
was.
He
said
it
could
have
been
a
weapon,
but
again
the
captain
who
conducted
the
review,
felt
based
on
the
evidence
that
he
should
have
been
able
to
tell
that
it
was
a
cell
phone
and
was
not
a
threat.
So
that's
why
the
standard
of
conduct
violation
was
sustained.
H
Captain
this
officer,
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
there's
no
relation
whatsoever
to
the
chief,
no.
K
H
H
Very
likely
a
large
number
of
them,
intoxicated
quite
aggressive,
do
we
do
we
have
confirmation
of
that
that
there
were
that
there
was.
There
was
a
lot
of.
K
Correct
there
were
several
hundred
people
there,
and
not
only
that,
but
there
was
a
a
large
group
of
a
what
was
described
in
the
report
as
a
very
rambunctious
crowd.
Some
of
them
were
throwing
beer
bottles
and
so
forth
at
other
patrons
and
and
that's
the
group
that
these
individuals
were
involved
in
who
ended
up
tearing
down
the
the
light
post.
H
Right
and
this
and
this
individual
with
the
cell
phone,
was
part
of
that
group
that
was
beginning
to
surround
the
officers
who
were
conducting
the
arrest
correct
the
person
who
had
already
damaged
property
and
and
was
and
was
dangerous
along
with
it,
with
the
rest
of
that
large
crowd
officer
o'connor
did
he
have
any
kind
of
pass
record
of
that
kind
of
aggression
toward
toward
a
citizen
million?
Anything
no
could
could
the
reprimand
have
been
done
orally
instead
of
written
reprimand.
K
H
This
gentleman,
not
gentlemen.
This
this
person
came
literally
within
two
feet
of
officer.
O'connor
officer
o'connor
requests
that
he
back
off.
He
did
very
briefly
and
then
came
back
right
at
him
within
a
foot
or
two.
K
E
K
Sure
so,
in
this
case
we
have
a
a
reserve
officer.
So
so
we
have
several
different
categories
of
officers.
We
have
a
a
fully
certified
full-time
police
officer
who
that's
their
primary
job.
They
they
have
a
full
law
enforcement
certification.
They
can
operate
on
their
own.
They
work
40
hours
a
week
as
a
as
a
city
of
tampa
employee.
K
You
have
a
what's
called
a
reserve,
one
officer
which
is
what
officer
o'connor
is
so
he's
been
through
a
full
police
academy
in
his
case
and
most
of
our
reserve
won
officers,
cases,
they're,
retired
tpd
officers,
and
they
just
choose
to
stay
on
as
a
reserve
to
continue
serving
the
community
and
for
the
opportunities
to
you
know,
make
extra
money
working
events
like
this.
So
in
his
case
he
can
operate
the
same
as
a
full-time
officer,
and
then
we
have
what's
called
a
reserve.
K
2
officer,
reserve
2
is
what
the
criminal
justice
standards
and
training
commission
would
consider
a
an
auxiliary
officer.
That
is
a
part-time
officer,
so
they
go
through
an
abbreviated
police
academy.
They
go
through
an
abbreviated
training
period
and
they
have
to
work
under
the
direct
supervision
of
either
a
reserve,
one
officer
or
a
full-time
officer.
K
So
those
are
people
who
typically
have
another
job,
and
then
they
do
this
basically
like
what
a
traditional
military
reservist
would
be.
They
have
a
full-time
job
and
then
they
they
do
that.
You
know
as
as
a
on
the
weekends
or
you
know
when
we
have
special
events.
Things
like
that.
The
difference
between
a
military
reservist
and
a
reserve
too,
would
be
that
military
reservist
can
do
everything.
K
They
can
work
jobs
like
this
and
they
can
make
extra
money,
but
they
are
not
compensated
by
the
city
of
tampa
for
when
they
work
gas,
marilla
or,
if
they're
out
on
the
street,
patrolling
they
do
that
on
a
volunteer
basis,
and
they
also
have
no
protection
under
the
city's
civil
service
rules,
as
well.
So
they're
entitled
to
union
representation
if
they're
a
member
of
the
union
and
they're
in
internal
affairs,
they're
entitled
to
the
the
coverage
of
the
the
bill
of
rights
and
what
they're
accorded
to
by
statute.
D
Evening,
captain
a
couple,
quick
questions,
so
what
what
does
dt
instructor?
What
does
that
mean
a.
K
Dt
instructor
is
a
defensive
tactics
instructor,
so
they
would
teach
things
like.
What's
traditionally
referred
to,
hand-to-hand
techniques-
de-escalation
taser-
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
officer
o'connor
in
particular,
was
a
taser
instructor,
but
basically
any
unarmed
defense
techniques.
That's
what
they
would
teach.
D
Okay
and
then,
as
was
already
stated,
he
received
a
a
written
letter
of
reprimand
counseling
based
on
your
policies
and
procedures.
Were
there
in
these
kind
of
instances?
D
K
Yeah
in
this
particular
case,
there
wasn't
a
any
kind
of
training
component
to
it,
but
there
anytime
we
issue
discipline.
We
can
require
training
to
go
along
with
the
discipline.
In
this
case
you
know
he
had
one
perception
that
he
maintained
in
his
interview
that
that
he
thought
it
could
have
been
a
weapon.
The
captain
who
reviewed
the
case,
you
know
thought
that
was
was
just
not
correct
and
that
it
should
have
been
apparent
as
a
cell
phone.
K
So
I
I
don't
know
specifically
in
that
case
what
what
specific
training
would
have
caused
him
to
have
a
different
opinion
about
what
the
object
was,
but
we
always
can
impose
training
in
in
accordance
with
any
kind
of
discipline
which
we
would
we
tend
to
do
every
once
in
a
while.
We
have
an
officer
who
will
have
a
negligent
discharge
when
they're
taking
their
firearm
out
of
their
holster
or
something
and,
in
addition
to
receiving
discipline
they
all
receive.
You
know
firearms
training.
In
addition
to
that.
D
But
then,
when
I
read
the
statement
of
of
miss
policeman
o'connor,
he
stated
in
here
that
there
were
two.
There
were
two
movements
that
he
did
when
he
first
saw
con
cantero
anthony
cantero,
the
defendant,
the
guy
that
climbed
the
pole,
correct
or
excuse
me
the
person
that
was
taking
the
picture
coming.
D
He
saw
it
on
the
left
side
and
it
says
in
the
statement
he
did
it
in
over
sweeping
motion,
but
then
he
said
at
which
time
that
I
saw
it
was
a
phone
in
his
hand
and
then
at
that
point,
that's
when
the
person
backed
up
and
then
the
person
started
coming
back
to
him
again.
So
in
my
mind
the
police
officer
o'connor
already
knows
now
it
it's
it's
a
it's
a
phone.
D
He
still
went
ahead
and
did
the
hand
wave
and
then,
as
he
said,
unfortunately,
he
hit
the
phone.
So
up
to
that
point.
If
I
didn't
read
that
piece
understanding
the
the
environmentals
with
the
crowd
and
what
the
police
are
doing,
trying
to
protect
the
four
policemen
on
the
ground
trying
to
take
care
of
the
defendant
on
the
ground,
I
could
understand
his
his
actions
until
I
read
that
statement
where
he
actually
admitted
it
was
a
phone,
but
he
still
went
ahead
so
correct.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment.
B
Is
is
there
a
standard
distance
for
a
citizen
that
wants
to
participate
and
using
their
phone
to
capture
whatever
incident
or
footage
stating
for
the
safety
of
the
officer?
Please
step
back
allowing
the
officer
to
do
his
his
duties?
Is
there
a
standard
distance
or
is
that
something
that's
determined
by
the
officer
himself.
K
So
the
phone
just
doesn't
give
absolute
absolution
to
being
able
to
do
whatever
you
want
and
come
as
close
as
you
want.
So
I
would
say
it
would
be
more
of
a
of
a
case-by-case
basis.
But,
like
I
said
in
this
case,
there
was
actually
a
a
sizable
crowd
that
had
encircled
them.
That
was
probably
you
know
four
four
feet
or
so
away,
and
there
were
multiple
people
in
that
crowd
who
were
recording
with
their
phones
and
this
one
individual
just
decided
to
come
to
come
right
up
to
him
within.
K
You
know,
really
arm's
reach
and
that's,
I
think,
that's
the
the
issue
is
it's
within
arm's
reach,
they're
being
told
to
get
back
they're
already
with
a
hostile
crowd
with
somebody
who's
resisting
on
the
ground.
You
know
they
don't
need
to
divert
their
attention
away
from
that
person
on
the
ground
and
quite
honestly,
if
if
they
can
and
they
have
to
redirect
their
attention
to
somebody
else,
who's
not
following
their
commands,
that
person
could
be
subject
to
arrest.
At
that
point,.
K
Well,
it
potentially
I
mean
it
would
be
if
you're,
in
a
situation
like
that,
where
you
have
a
firearm,
the
the
thing
to
do
would
be
to
get
that
firearm
pointed
somewhere
other
than
at
you.
So
in
a
situation
where
you
have
100
people
in
close
proximity,
probably
not
going
to
try
to
take
a
shot
at
that
person,
so
I
mean
the
way
we
are
trained.
K
If
you
have
a
firearm,
you
know
at
close
distance,
do
anything
you
can
to
get
the
firearm
away
potentially
grab
that
firearm
and
try
to
take
it
out
of
their
hand.
If
it's
a
knife,
then
you
definitely
would
use
a
sweeping
motion.
You
don't
want
to
grab
a
knife,
but
yeah
I
mean
that.
Would
that
would
be
protocol
if
somebody
is
putting
something
very
close
to
you,
you
need
to
get
that
out
of
your
face
as
quickly
as
possible.
J
I
also
think
it
sends
a
message
to
the
officers
that
the
these
videos
are
being
looked
at
and
even
you
know
they
can't
watch
every
every
one
of
them,
but
you
know
they're,
obviously
looking
at
some
of
them.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
case.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
forward,
because
I
do
think
it
indicates
that
the
body-worn
cameras
are
a
good
thing
and
they
are
being
looked
at.
K
Just
to
just
to
address
that
too,
so
this
would
be
considered
a
case.
We
we
have
different
levels
in
our
response
to
resistance
continuum,
so
anything
that's
considered
level
e
or
higher,
and
this
would
be
considered
level
e
because
he
used
a
counter
measure.
Those
have
to
be
reviewed
by
the
supervisors,
so
yeah.
The
random
reviews
that
is
done
on
a
completely
random
basis
will
pick
they'll
pick
one
here
and
there,
but
any
kind
of
a
of
an
incident
where
force
like
this
is
used.
It
will
be
reviewed
by
a
supervisor
all
the
time.
I
Thank
you.
That
was
excellent.
I
kind
of
thought
the
same
thing,
remember
guy
that
that's
what
I
saw
as
well.
However,
in
reading
this-
and
I
thought
I
had
copied
that
page-
and
I
didn't
what
I
also
picked
up
in
this-
and
I
want
to
commend
the
officer-
don't
know
who
it
is-
and
I
can't
remember,
but
I
want
to
commend
the
officer
because
apparently
someone
had
their
knee
on
someone
when
they
were
down
and
the
officer
specifically
said
take
your
knee
off
their
neck
and
they
took
their
knee
off
the
net.
I
And
I
read
that
in
here-
and
I
thought
even
looking
at
this
body-worn
camera
incident,
which
was
small.
It
bought
out
more
that
we
do
have
officers
that
are
saying.
Hey,
that's
inappropriate
and
I
can
recall
when
we
looked
at
those
seven
points
and
it
might
have
been
what
you
were
just
mentioning.
This
is
the
e
above,
but
we
were
looking
at
that
some
time
ago
when
there
was
some
trouble
and
here's
the
officer
that
was,
I
call
it
in
my
own
way.
I
It
could
have
been
more
trouble,
but
he
was
de-escalating
because
this
is
only
a
little
camera
situation
and
you
know
I
I
actually
was
involved
with
a
situation
like
that
yesterday
and
I'm
going
to
say
it.
I
William
844
was
a
good
de-escalating
officer
on
yesterday
and
I
think
that's
the
commendable
thing
that
while
you're
getting
a
chance
also
to
look
at
the
cameras
like
this,
it
also
get
to
if
you
read
it
clearly
and
get
inside,
and
you
see
everything
that's
going
on,
we
could
even
see
great
work,
that's
also
being
done,
and
I
think
we
need
to
acknowledge
that's
when
it's
being
done
as
well.
My
only
concern
with
this
whole
case
was.
I
I
noticed
that
the
volunteer
officer,
what
we
call
him,
a
reserve
officer-
I
looked
at
it
and
when
he
signed
his
letter
yeah
when
he
signed
his
letter
he
said
on
here.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
it
right.
So
I'll
do
it
wrong,
but
he
did
sign
it.
The
letter
of
counseling
violation
of
manual
regulation
of
a
1005
standard
of
conduct
and
when
he
signed
it,
he
put
up
on
the
protest,
and
I
did
see
that
so
I
mean
he
was.
Obviously
he
didn't
think
it
was
that
much
to
it.
B
B
Board
member
robert
irvin
has
made
a
motion
that
we
concur
with
the
findings
and
deposition
of
this
case.
Dr
collins
has
second
the
motion.
Any
further
discussion
hearing
network
will
continue
with
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor,
please
show
about
raise
of
hand
in
the
opposed
plea
show
by
raising
hand
that
motion
passes.
Thank
you.
Captain
marshmallow.
H
H
Yes,
and
that,
mr
chairman,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
concur
with
the
finding,
but
not
with
a
disposition.
H
I
would
just
state
that
that,
in
this
particular
case,
the
first
level
of
of
discipline
is
is
a
verbal
admonition
and-
and
I
believe
that
that
should
have
been
what
would
have
occurred
here
in
this
case.
But
I
do.
I
do
agree
with
the
findings.
K
K
So
I
don't
know
if
you
recall
several
months
ago,
there
was
some
public
comment
made
at
the
meeting
about
transparency
in
in
our
our
data
from
traffic
stops,
so
we've
always
been
able
to
provide
data
regarding
demographical
information
on
citations,
but
up
until
the
first
of
july,
the
department
did
not
require
any
sort
of
documentation
when
a
traffic
stop
leads
to
a
warning,
so
that
was
that
policy
has
been
changed.
K
So,
as
of
july
1st,
we
are
now
required
to
document
all
traffic
stops,
so
traffic
stops
being
defined
as
a
you
know,
a
vehicle
which
would
include
a
bicycle
being
stopped
for
any
sort
of
traffic
infraction
or
potential
traffic
infraction
so
in
the
in
the
past
we
would,
we
would
always
be
able
to
provide
the
information
on
our
citations,
but
just
not
on
our
warning.
So
now,
when
an
officer
stops
somebody
and
and
warns
them
and
doesn't
give
them
a
citation,
they
don't
have
to
do
that.
In
writing.
K
Our
data
integrity
unit
and
our
quality
assurance
unit
are
doing
audits
of
all
of
our
traffic
stops
and
they
are
ensuring
that
there
is
a
corresponding
citation
or
warning
or
in
very
specific
cases
of
street
check
associated
with
those.
So
that's
how
the
policy
has
changed
since
july.
First
and
now
we
have
so
I'm
on
our
our
website.
Right
now-
and
there
is
a
section
on
here
under
the
transparency.
K
K
There
are,
there
are
one
of
the
very
few
agencies
in
the
area
that
publishes
something
like
this.
So
this
specific
dashboard
and
and
again
it's
only
going
to
be
accurate
until
about
july.
First,
when
the
new
policy
went
into
effect
when
we
started
capturing
the
warnings,
but
this
is
going
to
give
demographical
data
and
again
it's
publicly
accessible,
so
anybody
can
can
pull
the
data
and
look
at
it
and
do
whatever
analysis
they
will
you're
going
to
have
demographic
data.
K
The
percentage
of
traffic
stops
to
all
calls
for
service.
You
have
a
chart
of
how
many
citations
and
warnings
they're
writing
per
day,
it's
breakdown
of
which
of
our
patrol
districts.
These
are
occurring
in
and
then
there
there
also
is
a
map
down
here
that
maps
all
of
the
citations
and
warnings.
So
you
can
see.
K
I
know
that
the
chief
showed
the
the
map
of
the
violent
crime
a
little
while
ago,
you'll
see
a
pretty
big
concentration
of
traffic
stop
activity
in
a
lot
of
the
areas
where
the
violent
crimes
occurring,
east
tampa,
ibor,
city
parts
of
north
tampa
along
that
nebraska
corridor,
the
sulphur
springs
area
and
so
forth.
We
also
have
a
lot
of
traffic
stops
on
kennedy,
boulevard
down
around
bayshore
gandy.
You
know
that's
where
we
get
a
lot
of
traffic
complaints,
so
the
they
are
location.
K
So
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
data
here
to
to
be
able
to
digest,
but
this
is
a
a
good
start
to
be
more
transparent
about
you
know
who
we're
stopping
and
where
we're
stopping
them
and
who's
getting
citations
and
who's
getting
warnings,
as
you
can
see
the
the
bar
chart
down
here
at
the
bottom.
The
blue
is
citations
in
the
oranges
warnings,
so
we
have
a
significantly
larger
number
of
warnings
than
we
do
with
citations.
B
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
tool
and
again
it
supports
transparency
and
again
the
data
it
speaks
for
itself.
Anyone
else
want
to
make
a
statement
or
comment.
Mr
valadez,
I'm.
E
K
Yeah,
so
we
can
look
I'll
I'll
click,
the
the
plus
here,
so
we
do
have
bike
stops
included
here
we
can,
we
can
click
on
the
bike
stops
and
we
can
get
specific.
You
know
bike
warning
data.
It
will
give
you
a
you
know
a
percentage
it'll
give
you
then,
when
they're
occurring
it'll
give
you
the
map
over
here.
K
No,
this
this
is,
would
be
a
bicycle,
so
it
would
be
anything
that
would
so
a
motorbike
would
probably
be
considered
a
bicycle
as
long
as
it's
not
considered
a
motor
vehicle,
if
it
would
be
a
so
an
electric
bike
or
something
would
be
considered
that
I
know
there
was
something
about
golf
carts.
I
think
a
golf
cart
would
would
just
be
considered
a
regular
motor
vehicle
wouldn't
be
considered
a
bicycle.
K
K
They're
considered
they're
considered
that
would
be
considered
a
pedestrian
on
an
electric
scooter,
they're
not
considered.
So
basically,
we
just
have
it
specifically
with
traffic
stops,
which
includes
everything
but
a
bike,
and
then
we
have
the
bike.
Stop
since
bike
stops
is
there's
always
been
some
interest.
You
know
in
bike
stops,
so
we
we
are
separating
the
bike
stops
just
so
we
keep
the
bike
stops
separated.
If
somebody
wants
to
look
at
the
bike
stops.
H
Kevin,
can
you
go
back
please
to
the
to
the
results
of
stop
by
the
the.
H
One
no
on
the
it
was
on
the
on
the
top
right.
You
had
the
results
of
of
stops
about
vehicles,
yeah
they're,
right.
K
K
A
zero
right
and
and
the
interesting
thing
you
know
we
are
again
bound
by
the
state
here,
so
the
state,
for
whatever
reason,
considers
hispanic
as
a
race.
It's
not
it's
an
ethnicity,
but
because
the
state
allows
somebody
to
list
hispanic
on
a
driver's
license,
and
that
says
that
is
a
state
form
with
a
traffic
citation.
K
We
have
to
also
adopt
that
for
this
purpose.
So
when
you
look
at
some
of
our
other
crime,
stats
you're
not
going
to
see
hispanic
as
a
race,
because
we
consider
that
as
an
ethnicity,
but
that
is
a
that
is
an
issue
here
and
it's
it's
not
anything
that
we
have
any
control
over,
because
it's
a
state
of
florida
form.
It's
not
a
city,
tampa
forum.
H
H
Looking
at
these
numbers
in
a
vacuum
or
that
one
can
state
that
it
is
more
likely
than
not
that
you
will
be
issued
a
citation
as
opposed
to
a
warning
if
you
are
white
as
opposed
to
a
black
motorist
or
a
hispanic
motorist.
I'm
just
just
looking
just
looking
at
these
numbers
in
a
vacuum.
K
K
So
what
I
can
do
is,
for
example,
I
can
look
at
district
three
district.
Three
is
predominantly
the
the
east
tampa
area,
so
we
can,
we
can
look
down
and
that
basically
shows
you
everything
south
of
hillsboro
avenue.
It
also
does
include
the
downtown
area.
So
when
you
look
at
the
traffic
stop
by
race,
you
can
see
that
there
is
a.
There
is
a
larger
number
of
african
americans
who
make
up
that
specific
demographic
in
district
three.
K
So
that
would
basically
tell
you
that
in
that
specific
district
there's
a
much
larger
percentage
of
black
people
being
stopped.
If
you
move
over
to
district
1,
which
does
not
have
a
as
large
of
a
african-american
population,
you
can
see
that
the
numbers
are
very
much
more
toward
both
whites
and
hispanics,
because
the
west
tampa
area
also
has
a
significant
hispanic
population.
So
I
mean
that
it
can.
B
Any
other
questions
or
statements
in
reference
to
the
dashboard,
the
traffic
stop
dashboard
again
very
good
tool.
This
is
something
that
the
public
will
have
access
to
as
well
and
again.
It's
definitely
gonna
support
transparency
and
also
support
other
identifies
as
well.
So
a
great
tool
can
can't
wait
to
have
the
opportunity
to
look
into
some
of
that
data
myself.
B
If
you
will,
let's
go
ahead
and
continue
and
regarding
the
discipline
matrix.
K
Yes,
sir,
so
this
was
something
that
was
requested
several
months
ago,
so
I've
just
been
able
to
to
get
back
and
present
this
to
the
board,
so
it
was
asked
to
look
at
a
disciplined
matrix.
So
for
for
those
who
may
not
remember,
I
found
some.
K
That's
the
main
purpose
of
them
to
make
sure
that
officers
receive
similar
discipline
and
consistent
discipline
every
single
time
there's
I
looked
at
some
some
agencies
that
had
them.
I
looked
at
some
different
discipline.
Matrixes
around
the
country.
We
actually
presented
a
discipline
matrix.
I
didn't-
I
didn't
know
it
back
in.
I
think
it
was
2015
or
so
to
the
the
command
staff
to
see
if
tpd
wanted
to
adopt
a
discipline
matrix,
there's
not
a
lot
of
consistency
in
them.
Some
of
them
like,
for
example,
nypd,
has
a
very,
very
detailed
discipline
matrix,
but.
I
K
It
only
deals
with
very
serious
violations,
so
if
you
use
excessive
force
that
results
in
death,
that's
on
there,
if
you
use
excessive
force
that
results
in
serious
injury,
that's
a
different
one.
If
you
use
excessive
force,
it
doesn't
result
in
any
injury.
So
it's
it's
very,
very
specific.
At
nypd,
nypd's
doesn't
look
at
any
kind
of
what
would
be
considered
minor
violations.
They
look
at
the
the
serious
stuff
officers
committing
criminal
activity
off
duty
officers
using
excessive
force
things
of
that
nature.
K
Other
agencies
have
have
disciplined
matrices
that
are
not
that
specific
that
are
more
broad
that
will
encompass
specific
violations.
They
will
put
different
violations
in
a
class
system.
You
know
a
category
one,
two,
three
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight,
some
of
them
go
as
high
as
seven
or
eight.
Some
of
them
stick
to
kind
of
levels,
one
through
three,
so
most
of
them
have
what
would
be
considered
mitigating
factors
and
aggravated
factors
built
into
it.
K
K
K
Categories.
One
two
and
three.
The
interesting
thing
about
them
is
that,
like
a
category,
three
is
anything
from
an
oral
admonishment
determination.
A
category
2
is
an
oral
admonishment
to
like
a
4-month
suspension
and
a
category
1
is
an
oral
admonishment
to
a
30-day
suspension.
So
it's
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
leeway
within
that
and
what
I
noticed
with
some
of
these
discipline
matrixes
is
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
leeway
in
general
with
them,
and
that
is
that's
one
of
the
challenges
with
them.
You
know
they
especially
with
us.
K
You
guys
have
read
some
of
our
regulations.
You
know
this
is
this
case.
This
month
is
an
example
of
it.
This
is
a
standard
of
conduct
violation.
We
issued
a
letter
of
counseling
one
member
believed
that
was
even
too
much,
but
we've
had
other
people.
Who've
had
standard
of
conduct,
violations
they've
been
terminated,
it
just
depends
on
what
the
standard
of
conduct
is,
that
they've
done
so
for
us
to
have
a
discipline
matrix.
That
would
say.
Well,
you
could
get
anything
from
an
oral
admonishment
determination.
K
What
what's
the
point?
You
know
that
that's
that's
kind
of
the
issue
there,
something
as
specific
as
nypd's.
You
know
with
those
serious
violations.
You
know
even
that
we
we
have
excessive
response
to
resistance,
excessive
force
for
us.
That's
considered
a
serious
violation.
It
could
result
in
termination,
no
matter
what,
if
any
injury
occurs
to
to
a
to
another
person.
So
in
that
case
we
wouldn't
even
want
something
as
specific
as
as
nypd.
So
there
are
a
lot
of,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
with
it
number
one
too.
K
It
doesn't
just
because
we
have
a
matrix
in
place.
That
doesn't
mean
the
discipline
is
going
to
be
justified.
We
could
set
the
discipline
at
letter
of
counseling
for
for
everything
and
there's
going
to
be
situations
that
don't
justify
a
letter
of
counseling.
We
could
set
the
the
penalty
higher
and
that
doesn't
mean
that,
just
because
it's
on
paper
in
a
matrix
that
that's
acceptable
discipline,
you
know
I
made
a
a
presentation
several
months
ago
about
progressive
discipline
about
just
cause.
You
know
these
are.
K
These
are
legal
factors
and
regardless
of
what
a
disciplined
matrix
says,
we
still
have
to
be
able
to
prove
just
cause
for
discipline.
We
still
have
to
be
able
to
prove
that
we've
gone
via
progressive
discipline
unless
there
are
those
mitigating
or
aggravating
factors
so,
like
I
said
we
did
explore
this
years
ago.
K
Before
I
got
to
internal
affairs,
I
brought
it
up
again
with
the
command
staff,
and
you
know
we
already
consider
the
severity
of
a
violation
length
of
service
prior
history,
the
officer's
intent
whenever
we
impose
discipline,
so
we
have
very
broad,
mor
manual
manuals
of
regulation,
like
I
just
mentioned,
so
to
have
something
with
this
huge
variation
of
what
could
happen.
You
know
it
it's
more
of
a
it's
more
of
an
issue
of
making
sure
that
the
the
punishment
fits
the
offense
and-
and
that's
done
really
in
each
individual
case.
K
Sometimes
it's
very
very
easy.
You
know
we
have
a.
For
example,
we
have
an
officer
who's
involved
in
an
at
fault
crash
on
duty,
the
standard
violation
for
that,
if
somebody's
looking
at
their
computer
and
they're
sending
a
message
and
they
rear-end
somebody
who
stopped
at
a
red
light-
and
they
do
some
property
damage,
nobody's
injured,
they're,
going
to
get
a
letter
of
counseling
and
that's
a
violation
of
our
vehicle
operations
regulation.
They
committed
a
violation.
They
were,
they
were
driving
carelessly,
so
they
get
a
letter
of
counseling.
K
It
really
it's
a
in
my
opinion
in
our
staff's
decision.
This
would
be
a
solution
in
search
of
a
problem,
because
we
don't
have
arbitrators
coming
to
us
and
saying
that
we
are
unequally
imposing
discipline
on
people
unevenly,
and
that
is
that
is
the
reason
for
a
discipline
matrix
that
the
literature
says
is
to
make
sure
that
it
is
consistent
across
the
board
and
everybody
gets
the
same
thing
based
on
you
know.
K
Whatever
factors
need
to
be
there
so
again,
we
don't
see
that
as
a
problem,
we
haven't
been
told,
that's
a
problem,
so
it's
not
something
that
the
the
chief
and
the
command
staff
want
to
explore
us
doing
at
this
time.
B
Well,
thank
you
for
definitely
coming
back
at
board
members.
Our
request
with
that
information
to
give
us
some
clarity
on
how
we
do
things
here
in
tampa
might
not
be
necessarily
how
things
are
done
abroad,
but
again
it
customizes
all
of
what
is
needed
for
our
city.
I
know
mr
valdez
requested
for
for
this
information.
B
You
have
any
statements,
questions.
E
No,
I
appreciate
your
presentation
and
your
research
and
all
the
time
and
energy
that
you
put
into
it.
I
recall
this
case
when
we
discussed
it,
because
we
all
agreed
that
the
discipline
that
that
individual
received
was
not
as
high
as
we
wish
to
see
and
that's
how
this
whole
came
to
light.
So
we
have
made
a
recommendation
to
see
something
more
in
place
as
something
as
a
discipline
matrix.
E
K
Sure-
and
I
would
just
say
to
that-
you
know
the
matrix
is
like
I
said.
The
point
of
it
is
to
make
sure
that
it's
consistent,
you
know
we
they
can
the
chief,
even
if
the
chief
did
decide
that
we're
going
to
implement
a
discipline
matrix.
What
that
discipline's
going
to
be
is
a
completely
separate,
separate
issue
so
that
discipline
could
be
low
on
the
matrix.
That
doesn't
mean
that
the
board
would
necessarily
agree
with
the
disciplinary
recommendation
whether
or
not
the
matrix
exists.
So
that's
that's
one
of
the.
I
understand
the
board's.
K
You
know
decision
in
that
one
case.
They
believe
the
discipline
should
have
been
higher
than
it
was,
but
I
don't
know
that
the
matrix
would
have
necessarily
addressed
that,
because
that
was
that
was
an
attentiveness
to
duty
case
where
we've
had
everything
from
an
oral
admonishment
to
a
termination,
depending
on
how
bad
the
attentiveness
to
duty
has
been.
So
that
probably
would
have
been
one
of
those
situations
where
it
would
have
run
the
gamut
of
the
the
matrix
and
they
would
have
had
to
pick
something
in
the
middle
to
do.
B
B
I
don't
believe
there's
any
items
to
be
continued.
I
do
have
one
notation
based
off
last
month,
last
month's
case
of
number
one:
eight
r
zero
zero
one.
We
have
proposed
that
a
letter
or
acknowledgement
or
some
type
of
notification
get
out
to
the
participant
that
prematurely
brought
that
case
to
the
to
the
board.
Were
we
able
to
type
up
anything
far
as
notification
to
that
particular
person
that
came
out
the
public
comment
that
wasn't
able
to
be
present
when
we
reviewed
that
particular
case.
A
Kumari
pedeska
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
mr
chair,
I'm
still
looking
to
figure
out
who
that
person
was
so
okay
as
soon
as
I'm
able
to
identify
who
that
was
I'll
report
back
to
the
board
and
provide
a
copy
of
that
letter.
Well,
just
inform
the
board
that
the
letter
was
sent
informing
of
the
resolution
of
the
the
matter.
G
I
B
There
is
a
motion
on
the
floor
in
reference
to
member
carlos
valdez
in
reference
to
the
bicycle:
stop
policy
and
program.
If
you
will,
as
it's
been
some
time
that
lapse,
if
you
can
restate
that
motion
and
bring
everybody
abreast
and
then
we
can
continue
with
the
discussion,
if
necessary,
sure.
E
A
B
And
you
speak
in
reference
to
a
particular
program,
then
that
program
needs
to
be
titled
as
such
and
not
what
it
has
became
or
properly
known.
As
I
think
the
problem.
B
I
B
There
is
a
motion
on
the
floor.
Is
there
a
board
member
that
wished
to
second
that
motion?
But
before
a
second
of
that
motion,
I
wanted
clarity
on
the
motion
in
reference
to
the
exact
name
of
the
program
that
he
was
in.
I
Here's
the
program-
and
it
was
an
examination
of
racial
disparity
in
bicycle-
stops
and
citation
made
by
tampa
police
department.
That's
the
exact
program.
We
actually
had
it
before
us.
Of
course,
I'd
been
involved
with
it.
Prior
to
this,
it
was
the
cops
program
with
vcpi
that
came
into
tampa
and
it
wasn't
viking
while
black.
What
happened
is
the
disparities
in
the
case
showed
that
more
blacks
were
arrested
disproportionately
and
immediately
when
the
program
was
started?
That's
not
why
it
was
started.
I
The
program
had
very
good
intents
under
the
past
chief
of
police
and
under
the
past
mayor
it
was
a
good
program.
I
know
I
was
involved
with
it
from
the
inception,
but
when
the
results
came
back,
it
showed
that
and
as
a
result
of
that,
the
program
was
immediately
squashed.
That's
why
I
asked
a
question
of
the
chief
on
the
position
of
tpd,
so
it
that's.
This
is
the
name
of
the
program.
I
We
actually
had
a
presentation
of
it
here
and
I
didn't
want
to
stop
the
motion,
because
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
not
send
a
negative
message
to
the
current
interim
state
attorney.
I
was
going
to
ask:
was
it
conceivably
possible
for
her
to
come
and
do
a
presentation
so,
whatever
her
intents
were,
with
what
may
have
been
misinterpreted
if
she
could
come
before
us
and
make
a
presentation
to
us?
Therefore,
the
community
will
also
benefit
from
hearing
her
presentation.
I
I
I
We
don't
know,
but
if
we
can
ask
her,
she
could
come
and
talk
to
her,
because
I
I
don't
think
that
I
want
to
ever
see
this
float
program
reinstated
because
I
saw
the
intricate
pieces
of
it
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
what
you
meant
to
say.
I
just
would
like
to
hear
a
presentation
from
the
interim
state
attorney
on
the
examination
of
racial
disparity
and
bicycle
stops
and
citation
made
by
the
tampa
police
department
and
whatever
year
that
was,
and.
E
That's
the
motion
is
not
to
have
that
program
back
into
place
that
we
do
not
that
we
recommend
not
to
have
it
back
in.
H
B
G
So
while
there
may
not
be
a
policy
specifically,
they
will
conduct
traffic
stops
to
include
bicycles
for
safety
violations
and
from
those
stocks
there
may
be
additional
legal
actions
taken
based
on
the
merits
of
the
case,
if
you
will,
which
may
involve
background
and
other
things.
That's
that's
what
I
heard.
E
I
I
And
I'm
saying
that,
because
I
kind
of
sort
of
want
a
second,
what
I'd
like
us
to
do,
if
you
would
consider
not
making
a
motion,
yet
it's,
let's
ask
for
the
state
interim
state
attorney
to
come
and
do
a
presentation
before
the
board.
I
don't
want
to
ask
someone
to
come
and
do
a
presentation
and
we've
already
taken
a
position,
even
though
everybody
has
their
own
position.
I
I
just
like
to
hear
a
presentation
so
we'll
understand
exactly
what
her
intents
are
and
then,
after
that
presentation
it
may
be
appropriate
for
us
to
take
other
actions
like
emotion,
etc.
And
I
don't
know
if
that's
something,
but
I
would
rather
have
it
that
way
for
clarity,
and
we
would
have
it
just
like
we
got
it
from
the
chief
and
the
chief
was
explicitly
clear.
I
would
like
to
hear
it
from
the
interim
state
attorney
so.
B
The
question
is
mr
valdez,
even
though
we
engaged
in
discussion
at
at
this
moment
hearing
from
your
board
members,
would
you
like
to
remove
your
motion.
E
I
would
like
to
remove
the
motion
so
that
we
can
move
forward
with
dr
collins
had
mentioned
to
have
the
state
attorney
come
and
present.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
our
recommendations
are
being
captured
properly,
because
if
there's
nothing
on
paper
saying
that
the
board
recommended
as
such,
then
it
never
happened.
So,
even
though
chief
chief
of
police,
you
know
presented
to
us-
and
she
said-
and
she
gave
her
word
if
we
never
had
that
you
know
feedback
on
paper
as
a
recommendation,
then
our
voice
was
never
counted.
E
So
that's
that's
the
the
purpose
of
doing
the
motion
as
it
relates
to
this
matter.
Ms
kamara.
A
Kamari
pedes-maca
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I'm
sure
it's
possible
to
send
out
an
invitation.
I
don't
know
what
the
response
would
be,
but
okay,
okay,.
E
Suzanne
lopez
presented
to
us
on
her
stands
as
it
relates
to
biking
policies
and
resending
the
prior
policy
as
related
to
state
andrew
warren.
That
did
not
continue
the
program
that
we
had
here
in
the
city
of
tampa.
Second,.
B
H
Mr
velazquez,
can
you
clarify
that
part
of
the
motion
that
includes
state
attorney
warren?
Yes,.
E
H
E
E
Not
this,
you
can
restate
the
motion.
The
motion
is
to
have
the
current.
The
current
state
attorney
suzanne
lopez
presented
to
us
her
policy
as
it
relates
to
biking
and
what
that
would
look
like
moving
forward.
B
B
None
will
continue
with
the
vote,
those
all
in
favor
of
hearing
or
for
the
invite
to
the
interim
state
attorney
to
have
a
presentation
to
the
board
and
reference.
The
such
program,
please
show
by
raising
hand
in
the
opposed
the
motion
passes
for
the
invite.
If
you
will
just
keep
us
abreast
once
the
invite
is,
is
delivered
and
what
would
be
the
response
if
any.
B
We'll
continue
with
the
agenda
and
the
announcements
for
news
business.
The
next
meeting
will
be
held
on
the
fourth
tuesday
of
the
month
of
september
27
2022
at
forest
hill
community
center
at
724,
west
109th
avenue
in
tampa
florida,
33612,
6
pm
and
that's
in
district,
which
dish
does
that
represent.