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A
A
A
The
coordinator
for
the
board
is
captain
patrick
mesmer.
Any
person
who
wishes
to
make
a
complaint
concerning
a
matter
which
may
be
considered
by
the
professional
standards
bureau
should
see
captain
mesmer
for
information
on
how
to
file
a
complaint.
The
board
should
not
discuss
matters
where
the
city
or
the
department
may
likely
be
a
party
in
litigation.
A
A
A
A
B
Good
evening
board
members
kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
previously
provided
the
board
the
modified
rules
of
procedure
that
mirrors
the
the
previous
amendment
modifying
the
citizens
review
board.
According
to
section
18-8,
I
could
go
over
the
modified
rules
or
procedures
again
as
a
whole
in
front
of
the
board,
but
I
provided
them
previously
to
the
board
members
and
I'm
open
for
any
questions
at
this
time.
If
you
have
it,
if
you
have
any.
D
I'm
on
the
really
the
second
page,
but
the
first
page
of
the
document
and
just
for
my
own
personal
gratification,
believe
it
or
not
on
number
one,
the
last
two
sentences,
the
reconsideration
and
from
that
sentence
down
to
the
end.
Can
you
just
briefly
explain
to
me,
so
I
make
sure
I
know
exactly
what
that
means,
because
that's
deviating
from
our
rules
going
to
robert
rules
of
order.
D
B
So
these
rules
of
procedure
are
are
for
your
board
to
operate
and
conduct
meetings.
This
these
rules
of
procedures
are
what
the
you,
as
a
board,
are
calling
out
on
how
you're
going
to
conduct
those
meetings.
If
you
don't
call
out
certain
procedures,
then
you
have
to
fall
back
on
the
robert's
rules
of
orders.
You
don't
have
to
mirror
the
robert's
rules
of
order.
You
can
modify
your
rules
of
procedure
according
to
how
the
board
wants
to
conduct
itself.
B
B
D
Or
in
our
yes.
B
D
And
I
won't
bother
the
duties
of
office.
I
think
I
picked
that
up
somewhere
else
said
in
the
event
of
a
tie.
What
happened,
but
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
with
the
anji
committees,
may
be
formed,
but
shall
not
have
the
authority
to
take
the
restrictions
on
g.
The
committees
may
be
formed,
but
shall
not
have
authority
to
take
any
official
act,
action
or
conduct
any
business
on
behalf
of
the
crv.
D
D
Of
page
two
under
committee,
the
restrictions
that's
being
placed
there.
I
said
my
question
was
what
is
the
restrictions,
but
it's
indicating
that
the
committees
might
be
formed,
but
the
committees
have
no
authority
to
react
on
behalf
of
the
crb,
I
wanted
to
understand
that
restriction
that
was
being
placed
on
the
crb.
B
Committees,
so
on
the
committees,
we
don't
want
to
have
yet
another
board
that
conducts
media
that
would
conduct
a
meeting
and
have
its
own
rules
or
procedures
or
do
business.
On
behalf
of
the
crb,
we
want
this
board
to
conduct
the
business
of
the
crp,
so
a
committee
can
make
recommendations
or
gather
some
information
in
order
in
order
to
be
able
to
present
it
back
to
the
board
for
the
board
to
make
the
final
official
business
to
take
that
action.
But
we
don't
want
the
committee
to
take
that
action.
D
D
Does
that
still
indicate
that
if
we
have
something,
that's
written
that
going
to
represent
the
crb
that
it
will
become
before
so
that
we'll
be
able
to
know
what
is
going
before
the
chief?
Or
is
that
an
instance
where
we
ask
something
to
be
done?
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
that,
if
we're
having
those
kind
of
things,
that's
going
to
be
going
out
on
our
behalf,
we'll
get
a
chance
to
peruse
it
prior
to
it's
being
released.
Is
that
the
case.
B
D
B
And
that's
all
and
again,
this
is
just
your
robert's
rules
on
how
to
conduct
a
meeting,
but
section
18-8
is
the
overall
purview
of
how
this
board
operates.
So
this
is
only
about
conducting
meetings,
but
you
still
are
under
your
18-8,
your
your
your
new
provision
of
that
was
that
was
passed
and
that's
what
your
the
overall
operation
of
this
board,
so
that
is
still
in
place,
so
the
recommendations,
the
written
recommendations,
that's
already
defined
in
the
new
ordinance
that
you
are
currently
working.
B
The
title
of
the
of
that
section
is
recommendations.
D
Okay,
it's
a
section
in
here
under
the
meetings
and
conduct
of
the
meetings.
I
don't
want
to
deal
with
that
now,
but
in
our
annual
report.
D
It's
a
comment
also
on
our
meetings,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
one
of
the
points
that
we
made
and
particularly
coming
out
of
this
pandemic-
that
in
the
event
there's
some
extenuating
circumstances
where
we
would
have
the
opportunity
for
those
four
meetings
in
the
community
that
we
could
have
the
opportunity
to
modify
in
the
annual
meeting
report.
I've
made
a
note
of
that
and
then-
and
this
I
kind
of
mentioned-
that
as
well.
D
B
D
So
if
there's
some
kind
of
natural
pro
occurrence
that
will
keep
us
from
functioning
and
working
within
the
community
or
if
the
pandemic
was
up
high
to
expose
staff
and
board
members
and
everyone,
then
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
some
kind
of
way
we
make
sure
we
mentioned
that
we
talked
about
it
when
you
were
doing
our
original
training,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
saw
some
potentials
for
us
too.
D
Withdraw
pulled
back
delay,
meetings
of
that
sort
until
things
like
that
was
corrected,
and
then
we
go
back
out
so,
whether
it's
a
hurricane
or
whether
it's
this,
what
we've
encountering
now
the
residuals
or
potential
the
full-fledged
coveted
nineteen,
I
don't
want
to
put
staff
no
board
members
in
harm's
way.
I.
B
If
that
were
to
take
place,
I'm
certain
we
could
coordinate
with
the
council
members
the
wherever
the
dis
that
location
is
in
order
to
rearrange
the
meeting
if
there
was
something
that
prevented
the
meeting
from
taking
place.
But
we
could
deal
with
that
when
we
get
to
that.
If,
if
we
were
to
get
at
that
point
at
that
time,.
D
I
think
we've
indicated
that
there
was
a
section
on
our
agenda
already.
You
just
covered
it,
so
we
can
forget
that,
because
if
once
the
public
made
comments,
we
have
the
sexual
board
or
staff
can
comment
on
it,
and
I
had
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
kept
in
this
one.
I
picked
up
during
my
other
reading.
D
A
It
that
was
my
questions.
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
city
attorney
city
attorney?
I
do
have
one
question:
if
you
can
refer
to
paragraph
four,
a
on
page
three
on
schedule
of
regular
meetings,
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
understand
this.
This
specified
intent.
So
if
I
read
it
correctly,
it
is
the
chair's
discretion
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
board
meets
on
a
monthly
bi-monthly
or
up
to
quarterly
that's.
D
A
This
is
not
an
issue
in
which
we
would
bring
up
before
the
board
discuss
it.
Vote
on
it.
B
This
I
I
understand
your
your
question.
This
is
something
you
could
bring
up
to
the
chair,
but
ultimately
the
decision
is
up
to
the
chair.
Okay,.
D
D
I
was
going
to
say:
should
we
delete
that
because,
if
we're
saying
by
stature
that
we're
going
to
me
and
if
we
have
a
chair
that
says
I'll,
forget
the
statute
and
keep
calling
off
the
meetings
without
coming
before
the
board
that
could
put
us
in
jeopardy?
That
was
your
kind
of
question,
and
I
had
it
here
too,
and
I
was
saying
we
should
just
delete
that.
But
I
I
don't
feel
comfortable
with
that.
I'll
say
that.
B
Well,
that
section
also,
and
even
in
the
ordinance
it
says
at
a
minimum,
you
have
to
meet
on
a
quarterly
basis
at
a
minimum.
You
have
to
meet
on
a
quarterly
basis.
So
it's
up
to
the
chair
to
determine
if
you're
going
to
conduct
it
on
a
monthly
basis,
but
you
do
have
parameters
that
has
to
be
at
a
minimum
conducted
on
a
quarterly
basis,
so
the
board
still
has
to
take.
Action
still
has
to
meet.
D
B
B
D
E
At
the
end
of
every
meeting,
when
we're
going
to
have
our
next
board
meeting,
it's
usually
agreed
to
that
we
do
it
monthly.
The
chair
has
the
right
to
voice
his
opinion,
otherwise.
D
B
B
D
B
It's
it's
it's
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
dr
collins.
So
after
at
the
end
of
each
meeting
the
chair
discusses
when
that
next
meeting
is
going
to
take
place.
B
If
the
board
as
a
whole
says,
you
know
what
I
don't
think
we
should
have
a
meeting
or
can
we
move
it
to
two
months
from
now?
There's
that
ability
to
have
that
discussion
when
it's
on
the
agenda,
because
there's,
if
you
see
it's,
always
placed
on
the
agendas
that
I've
modified
for
the
announcement
regarding
the
next
meeting
and
ultimately
based
upon
the
discussion
of
the
board.
If
the
chair
understands
the
discussion
and
the
the
way
the
board
is
going,
he
could
decide.
B
D
That
was
in
our
original
disadvantage
and
not
on
the
consensus
from
the
board.
It.
A
A
E
Moved
to
approve
the
modified
rules.
Okay,
the
procedure
is
your.
A
F
Captain
jason
delahaye,
I'm
currently
the
captain
in
the
special
operations
division
over
at
the
police
department.
I
was
assigned
this
specific
case
20f-145
involving
master
police
officer,
randy
barnwell
synopsis
of
the
case
is
on
november
6
2020,
the
hillsborough
county
sheriff's
office
was
called
to
the
residence
of
master
police
officer
randy
barnwell.
F
F
On
the
video,
I
noted
that
the
victim
had
an
injury
on
the
right
cheek
during
the
victims
on
scene.
Inter
interview,
the
victim,
appeared,
excited
and
upset,
and
the
victim
relayed
to
the
deputies
that
master
police
officer
barnwell
and
the
victim
were
at
penn
chasers
bowling
alley
drinking
with
a
few
friends.
F
F
There
were
obvious
scratches
on
his
face
neck
and
hand.
He
told
the
first
responding
deputy.
He
confirmed
that
there
was
a
argument
at
pin
chasers
and
then
he
left
the
victim
got
home
and
another
argument
ensued:
master
police
officer,
barnwell
on
scene
claimed
there
was
no
physical
altercation
and
he
admitted
on
scene
to
drinking
four
to
five
beers
at
the
bowling
alley.
F
During
his
interview,
it
appeared
that
he
was,
he
was
intoxicated.
Also
his
speech
was
slurred
and
was
obviously
intoxicated
master
police
officer
barnwell
after
sitting
in
the
patrol
vehicle
for
a
long
duration,
seemed
to
get
annoyed
and
began
speaking
unprofessionally
with
the
deputies
and
also
declined
to
stay
out
of
the
vehicle
to
have
his
picture
taken
when
he
was
removed
to
adjust
his
handcuffs.
F
He
was
subsequently
arrested
and
transported
to
booking.
On
january
14
2021
the
hillsborough
county
state
attorney's
office
dismissed
the
criminal
battery
charges
that
master
police
officer
barnum
was
arrested
for
on
november
6th
during
the
internal
affairs
investigation
and
interviews,
both
county
deputies
recounted
the
events
of
the
that
night
accurately.
F
F
F
After
I
reviewed
all
the
material
contained
in
the
investigation,
I
found
that
the
exact
details
of
what
occurred
that
the
night
master
police
officer
barnwell
was
arrested
are
unclear.
The
injuries
sustained
by
both
master
police
officer,
barnwell
and
the
victim
indicate
that
something
physical
happened.
However,
the
unseen
statements
made
by
the
victim
are
contradicted
by
the
victim's
internal
affairs
interview.
F
Formal
criminal
case
was
dismissed
by
the
hillsborough
county
state
attorney's
office.
Due
to
those
circumstances,
I
was
unable
to
determine
a
clear
law
violation,
master
police
officer,
barnabas
conduct.
The
night
of
the
incident.
Fluctuated
became
cooperative
and
calm,
but,
as
it
was
cleared,
would
remain
in
custody.
His
demeanor
and
conduct
changed,
he
became
short
and
verbally
agitated,
with
the
deputies,
swearing
and
being
overly
critical
of
them
and
bringing
discredit
to
the
professionalism
of
the
department.
F
Master
police
officer.
Barnwell
shows
obvious
signs
of
impairment
and
admits
to
being
under
the
influence
of
alcohol
during
the
incident
and
the
incident
itself,
which
includes
master
police
officer,
barnwell's
conduct
and
the
resulting
arrest,
did
negatively
reflect
upon
the
department
in
the
city.
F
E
Captain,
what
is
the,
what
is
the
nature
of
the
of
the
violation
in
mor
one:
zero,
zero,
five
or
I'm?
Sorry,
the
one?
Zero
zero
one,
the
alcohol
consumption
for
off
duty,
its.
F
F
E
Because
there's
a
conflict
in
the
testimony,
the
the
victim,
the
alleged
victim
first
said
that
he
drove
home
left
her
at
pin
chasers
and
she
was
able
to
get
a
ride
from
the
officer.
It
indicates
that
he
drove
home
and
confronted
the
victim
there.
E
After
that,
yes,
sir,
but
there
there's
just
a
conflict
in
the
way
that
this
is
that
this
is
presented.
Did
the
did
the
officer
drive
home
in
a
city
vehicle
no
sir,
and
the
officer
admitted
to
being
intoxicated.
E
He
admitted
to
drinking
admitted
to
drinking
okay,
but
but
the
the
deputies
there
indicated
that
he
was
clearly
intoxicated,
yes,
sir
okay
and-
and
he
did
admit
to
drinking
yes,
sir
and
then
admitted
to
drinking,
and
it's
implied
that
he
drove
home.
Yes,.
F
E
E
E
Was
was
the
officer?
Was
there
any
test
taken
by
the
deputies
intoxication
at
the
at
the
scene?
No,
sir.
Okay.
I
know
that
these
were
county
sheriffs,
hillsborough
sheriffs.
What
would
a
standard
operating
procedure
be
for
a
tampa
police
department
officer
in
a
similar
situation
where
they're
questioning
someone
and
the
person
is
clearly
intoxicated
and
has
admitted
to
driving
home?
F
G
You
want
to
jump,
I
can
jump
in
real,
quick
captain,
pat
mesmer
professional
sandwich
bureau
for
driving
under
the
influence.
One
of
the
elements
of
that
crime
is
that
you
have
to
actually
observe
the
person
behind
the
wheel
of
the
car
operating
the
vehicle
unless
there's
been
a
traffic
crash.
In
that
case,
somebody
else
is
able
to
what's
called
wheeling.
Somebody
else
has
to
witness
the
person
behind
the
wheel.
We
can't
charge
somebody
with
dui
just
because
they
we're
drinking
at
some
point
from
an.
E
F
D
A
F
F
C
C
G
He's
a
patrol
officer
in
district
one
right
now
and
just
so
the
board
knows
that
is
and
I'll
go
into
that
later.
When
we
have
our
presentation
on
progressive
discipline.
Removal
from
a
specialty
unit
is
is
a
form
of
discipline,
in
this
case
the
the
motor
squad.
They
actually
get
a
good
amount
of
federal
grant
money,
so
he
took
a
significant
pay
cut
when
he
was
transferred
off
that
year.
So.
F
C
Have
another
question:
well
two:
so
in
your
findings,
what
really
determined
you
to
come
up
with
that
there
was
no
clear
indication
that
there
was
any
probable
cause
for
battery
for
the
case
for
the
victim.
Well,.
F
I
wasn't
determining
probable
cause
on
that.
I
was
determined
going
going
from
their
two
statements
in
this.
The
victim
basically
saying
she
lost
the
victim
lied
in
the
original
statement
when,
when
everybody
was
intoxicated
and
then
the
victim
comes
into
our
professional
standards
and
gives
an
interview
saying
that
she
lied
during
the
initial
interview
that
that's
the
reason
I
can't
really
determine.
F
G
Just
to
clarify
that
for
the
state
attorney's
office
to
file
charges
in
court
normally
for
them
to
proceed
with
a
criminal
charge,
they
have
to
believe
that
there
is
a
good
chance
that
they
are
going
to
actually
win
the
case.
So
they
have
to
prove
the
case
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt.
So,
even
if
they
feel
that
there's
probable
cause,
they
still
will
not
actually
file
the
case
if
they
don't
feel
they
can
win.
G
So
there
are
cases
where
somebody
may
not
have
a
case
filed
or
their
case
may
get
dismissed,
or
they
may
go
into
pre-trial
intervention
or
something,
and
we
still
will
sustain
that
charge
if
the
evidence
that
we
see
supports
it.
In
this
case,
the
deputies
made
the
decision
that
night
to
arrest
officer
barnwell
because
of
the
statement
of
the
victim,
the
victim
said
that
he
pushed
the
victim
down
and
that's
the
only
reason
he
was
arrested.
G
If
the
victim
didn't
say
anything,
and
he
didn't
say
anything,
I
would
imagine
there
would
be
no
arrest
made
that
night,
because
there
would
be
no
other
no
other
way.
So
considering
that
was
really
the
only
piece
of
evidence
that
made
the
deputies
make
that
arrest
when
the
victim
went
into
internal
affairs
and
said
that
the
victim
made
the
whole
story
up
to
get
him
in
trouble.
At
that
point,
that
whole
statement
has
to
just
be
thrown
out
because
the
victim
admitted
to
lying.
So
now,
that
is,
that
is
not
a
credible
witness.
F
A
B
Kamaria
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
so
just
to
to
as
it's
reflected
on
the
agenda,
it's
stated
that
if
you
refer
back
to
your
the
disposition
letter
that
was
provided
in
this
case,
the
items
that
were
sustained
were
number
one:
zero,
zero
five
standard
of
conduct
and
one
zero
zero
one
point:
zero:
two
alcohol
consumption.
So
how
it's
reflected
on
the
agenda?
B
It's
a
little
there
there's
more
information
in
the
disposition
letter
so
in
case
for
a
motion
there
wants
to
be
some
specificity
about
you
know
the
board
either
concurs
or
does
not
concur
and
unable
to
reach
a
decision.
Those
are
the
particular
findings
based
upon
the
investigation.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
B
E
And
let's,
let's:
let's
move
on
on
whether
we
concur
with
the
sustaining
of
the
two
mors
and
the
not
sustaining
of
the
of
the
third
mor
and
also
concurring
on
the
discipline
that
was
that
was
needed.
D
You
want
to
put
them
all
together,
yes,
okay,
I
was
just
going
to
make
the
motion
that
the
that
we
concur
with
all
three
all
three
of
the
incidents,
as
well
as
with
the
punishment
the
that
was
given
to
the
officers,
because
we
concur
with
everything
yeah
the
the
sustain,
the
two
sustained
one
and
three,
as
well
as
the
not
sustained
number
two,
as
well
as
the
punishment
or
the
discipline.
I
won't
say,
punishment
the
discipline
that
was
handed
to
the
officer,
so
we
can
curl
all
four
parameters.
Okay,
so.
E
A
A
A
F
A
B
Mr
smith,
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
there
was
anything
that
we
wanted
to
raise
on
that
item.
So
we
can,
mr,
if
we
can
just
go
straight
to
the
staff
reports
and
business
and
captain
mesmer
will
go
to
the
annual
report.
Absolutely.
A
G
All
right,
thank
you
again,
captain
messper
professional
standards,
so
I
have
emailed
the
board
a
copy
of
the
annual
report.
I
don't
know
if
everybody
has
received
it
or
not.
I
can
I've
got
my
email
up.
I
should
be
able
to
pull
it
up
here.
If
you'd
like
me
to
on
the
screen
in
front
of
you.
G
Okay,
so
when
I
wrote
the
annual
report
you
know
there
are,
it
looks
different
from
the
annual
reports
for
past
years,
which
basically
were
just
a
compilation
of
the
minutes
from
every
meeting
that
the
crb
had
in
previous
years.
This
one
was
written
because
there
are
certain
specific
items
in
the
annual
report
that
are
required
with
the
new
ordinance.
So
that's
why
the
it
looks
a
little
bit
different
and
it's
in
the
order
that
it's
in,
because
it
contains
everything
that
the
ordinance
requires.
Basically,
what
did
the
board
look
at?
G
What
did
the
board
address?
What
cases
came
in
front
of
the
board?
What
was
the
board's
findings?
There
was
a
section
in
there
about
the
number
of
complaints,
and
even
though
that
just
started
at
the
at
the
very
end
of
the
year,
I
did
put
something
in
there
about
that.
I
added
some
information
about
who's
on
the
board,
even
though
that's
not
required
in
there
and
just
the
main
duties
of
the
the
crb
as
well,
and
then
there
was
a
section
in
there
about
the
recommendations
that
the
board
made.
G
G
The
board
can
have
counsel
craft
a
written
statement,
but
I
I
do
know
that
the
the
report
does
need
to
be
approved
relatively
soon,
because
we
do
have
to
go
in
front
of
city
council
to
present
this
report
within
60
days
of
approval
and
miss
pettis
mecca.
I
believe
it
is
supposed
to
be
approved.
Is
it?
Is
it
within
60
days.
G
Correct
so
just
so,
the
board
knows,
if
you
do
want
to
make
a
statement
that
city
council
will
get
to
read.
We
do
need
to
act
on
that
relatively
quickly,
so
we
can
get
this
approved
in
front
of
city
council
and
if
there's
any
questions
on
any
of
the
sections
to
the
to
the
report,
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
them
or,
if
there's
anything
that
you
believe
needs
to
be
added.
We
can
certainly
discuss
that.
E
E
D
D
G
D
G
G
Is
the
the
ordinance
requires
us
to
report
on
the
complaints
received
by
tpd?
Now
my
understanding
is
that
there
were
no
formal
complaints
made
to
the
board.
You
know
if
somebody
was
here
for
public
comment
and
they'd
if
they
did
not
follow
up
with
making
a
complaint
to
the
police
department,
then
that's
not
counted
as
an
actual
complaint.
D
No
I'm
talking
about
the
complaints
that
they
would
have
filled
out
if
they
came
here.
We
sent
them
to
one
of
the
three
districts
or
online
and
they
completed
a
complaint
form,
and
I
can't
remember
in
2021
I
know
we
had
them
previously,
but
when
I
was
looking
at
that,
I
go
wow,
those
quite
a
few.
But
if
those
are
citizen
complaints
that
went
into
tpd
do
we
have
any
records
of
any
citizen
complaint
or
maybe
if
a
category
could
be
placed
in
there
with
the
citizen
complaint
in
the
future.
D
I
can't
remember
what
we
had
without
going
back
and
looking
at
all
my
minutes,
but
what
citizen
complaints
that
came
off
of
the
the
complaint
form
or
online?
That
was
specifically
the
crb.
It
was
early
in
2021,
but
I
might
be
off.
It
might
have
been
2020
that
we
did
have
a
couple
that
came
to
us.
Do.
D
Well,
the
thing
is,
I'm
not
too
sure
how
they
came,
because
you
know
the
form
that
we
have,
that
they
can
fill
out
and
they
go
into
the
district
office
and
the
districts
tell
them
we.
I
know
we
have
some
complaints.
I
just
can't
remember
whether
it
was
early
2021
or
maybe
the
last
half
or
quarter
of
2020..
D
G
I
I
can
look
and
see
we
don't
have
it
in
our
system.
We
don't
have
a
specific
way
to
check
a
you
know:
crb
complaint,
there's,
not
a
box
or
anything
now
if
they
wrote
it
on
the
form,
we
could
go
back
and
search
that
that
you
know
they
came
here
upon
request
to
the
crb,
but
if
they
don't
write
on
the
form
that
the
crb
referred
them
or
they
don't
put
that
in
their
in
their
online
complaint,
and
we
have
no
way
to
know
that
the
complaint
actually
came
through
the
crb.
G
E
You
give
us
some
kind
of
a
comparison
as
to
how
these
241
complaints
compare
with
previous
years.
Is
it
showing
an
increase,
are?
Is
everyone
getting
restless
out
there
showing
a
decrease?
What's
what's
happening
out?
There.
G
It
was,
it
was
actually
about
average.
You
know
it
goes
it's
within
about
10
or
so.
Each
year
2020
was
a
little
bit
higher
because
there
were
a
lot
of
complaints
that
came
in
during
the
protests,
so
that
was
that
year
was
kind
of
an
anomaly,
but
it's
it's
pretty
typical.
With
a
with
a
year.
D
About
it
is
the
complaints
when
they
come
before
us.
They
fill
it
out
because
we
can't
say
anything
if
it's
active
or
if
it's
not
and
then
we've
asked
we've
asked
tpd
that
when
those
complaints
are
completed
and
closed,
that
they
come
back
when
they're
going
to
bring
them
back
before
us
that
they
notify
those
individuals
that
they
are
coming
back
and
those
are
somewhat
crb.
Specific
complaints
am,
I
am.
I.
G
I
I
wasn't
here
in
2020,
so
I
don't
know
what
was
what
the
procedure
was
in
2020
for
complaints
coming
back
in
front
of
the
board
before
the
ordinance,
I
believe
in
2020
it
was
the
ordinance
the
previous
ordinance
was.
The
board
could
only
review
closed
internal
affairs
investigations.
They
could
not
review
anything
else.
That's.
B
Correct
so
camarilla
pedesmacko
from
the
city
attorney's
office
captain.
Can
you
just
verify
for
the
board
what
what
year
this
report?
What
year
does
this
report
cover.
B
So,
are
you
just
to
clarify
dr
collins?
Are
you
concerned
that
this
data
that
the
captain
has
has
gathered
that
it's
not
complete?
No.
B
D
No,
no,
I
think
it's
a
nice
report,
it's
just
that
when
you
did
the
citizen
report,
because
we
had
some
citizens
that
came
here
and
lodged
some
complaints
and
we
had
a
form
that
we
would
refer
them
to
go
to
district
one,
two
or
three
pick
up
that
form
and
use
it.
I
usually
keep
one
in
here
and
that's
what
you
get
for
cleaning
out
your
book
and
I
don't
have
one
with
me
and
we
did
have
a
couple
of
people
who
came
here
and
wanted
us
to
speak
to
them
about
their
complaints.
D
We
told
them.
We
could
not
speak
to
them
because
they
had
to
be
investigated.
But
we
did
ask
here
that
once
those
complaints
have
been
investigated
and
they
came
to
a
close
and
closed
them
to
bring
that
results
back
to
this
board,
but
prior
to
bringing
it
back
to
notify
the
citizen
that
lodged
a
complaint
that
they
were
going
to
be
reviewed.
Let's
say
like
in
april
of
2022.
D
If
they
had
been
here
previously,
and
so
you
notified
them,
they
had
the
option
to
come
when
we
were
going
to
be
discussing
their
findings
and
you
sent
the
finance
to
them.
I
can
remember
two
cases,
possibly
three.
My
problem
is,
I
cannot
remember
if
it
was
in
2021.,
so
when
I
saw
all
those
this
is
a
complete
those.
A
G
D
I'm
not
saying
it's
not
incomplete.
This
is
thorough.
This
is
good,
but
I
was
looking
for
another
category
if
any
of
those
complaints
came
before
us,
but
those
are
none
of
the
crb
reports
and
if
they
were
being
matched
in
them,
we
don't
know
what
they
are.
I
know
one
of
them
was
a
shooting
that
was
out
in
someone's
home
and
the
other
one
was
a
accident
with
the
truck.
G
Okay,
yeah,
I
don't
when
I
look
through
the
minutes
of
all
the
2021
meetings.
I
didn't
note
anything
about
a
complainant
coming
in
front
of
the
board
due
to
a
previous
complaint.
If,
if
that
happens
in
the
future-
and
there
is
a
way
that
we
can-
you
know
note
that
definitely
with
the
email
address-
that's
that's
very
easy
to
keep
track
of
now.
G
E
D
Just
that,
if
it
comes-
and
we
tell
people
when
they
stand
here-
that
we
can't
do
anything,
but
we
refer
them
and
they
come
to
you
in
the
past,
they
were
going
into
the
district
offices
and
they
were
filling
out.
The
report
that
said
crps
are
in
half
by
11,
full
didn't
have
hard
age
and
it
had
the
board
members
names
on
it.
Et
cetera
and
people
would
take
that
and
fill
it
out
and
go
in
and
they
would
help
them.
B
G
D
This
is
to
our
turn,
to
just
kind
of
talk
about
how
we
are
willing
to
do
those
and
how
we
want
to
be
cautious
and
doing
them.
I
had
a
number
two,
a
listing
of
the
pending
issues
that
we
bought
back
before
we
were
going
to
have
that
running,
that
one.
B
D
We
want,
I
thought
that
that
would
be
good
to
mention,
because
that's
something
that
occurred
in
2021
that
the
board
initiated
and
then
the
third
one
was
weave
on
an
ongoing
basis.
I
didn't
put
the
survey
in
here,
but
in
the
third
one
I
indicated
that
improved
communication
with
the
public
with
some
form
of
media.
How
we
get
the
word
out
that
we're
meeting
so
individuals
will
know
they
can
watch
it
on
public
access
and
when
there
is
no
pandemic.
D
If
they
want
to
come
in
the
meeting
and
that's
still
a
concern
of
mine,
it
got
very
heavy
during
the
the
the
protest
time
and
we
were
overwhelmed
and
then
people
say
well,
we
didn't
know
you
guys
was
there.
I
think
they
know
that
we're
here
now,
but
I
still
feel
that
that
public
information
is
not
out
there
and
so
we're
still
looking
for.
D
If
not
already-
and
I
know
a
section-
I
saw
in
the
report
where
our
information
is
going
out,
but
I
don't
know
how
we
get
this
out
to
the
public
local
media,
that
we
are
meeting
on
the
fourth
tuesday
or
whatever
third
tuesday
of
every
night.
Here
and
people
will
be
able
to
look
at
it
since
they
cannot
come
here.
We
do
know
people
have
to
know
because
occasionally
they
were
going
downstairs
to.
B
Kamaria
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
So
before
each
public
meeting
there
is
an
announcement
posted
on
the
city
of
tampa's
website
advertising
and
putting
notice
to
the
public
that
the
crp
is
conducting
the
meeting.
It's
there.
It
provides
an
avenue
for
public
how
to
make
public
comment
to
encourage
in-person
participation
so
that
I'm
sorry
that
information
is
is
posted
on
the
website.
D
And-
and
I'm
so
sorry-
I'm
just
talking
to
y'all-
please
forgive
me,
cutting
it
out,
that's
good
and
that's
what
we
know
what
we
were
looking
for
is:
how
do
we
get
that
information
out
to
the
masses,
because
everybody
will
look
at
the
city
site?
How
do
we
get
that
out
to
the
local
newspaper?
How
do
we
get
it
out
to
upcoming
events
on
the
television
stations
where
they
will
do
that
kind
of
information
free?
How
do
we
get
when
we
do
the
survey
again?
How
do
we
get
that
out
to
the
community?
D
B
I
understand
so.
The
annual
report
is
just
an
avenue
to
communicate
to
city
council
and
to
the
mayor
what
this
board
did
in
2021.
I
understand
dr
collins,
the
concerns
that
you
have
on
how
to
go
about
doing
certain
actions
that
this
board
has
to
take
in
the
future.
B
D
And
I'm
agreeing
with
you
the
only
thing
I'm
saying
is
we
want
city
council
to
know
when
the
public
look
at
city
council
that
we
are
still
looking
for
avenues
whereby
we
can
communicate
with
the
public
at
a
larger
scale
so
that
they
will
understand
that
we're
here.
So
even
just
a
little
note
about
that
when
you're
asking
us
and
that's
what
I
would
say
because
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
about
two
or
three
years,
we
activated
it
when
we
did
the
survey
since
the
survey
we
have
not
made
that
contact
anymore.
D
It
would
be
good
to
let
the
city
council
know
that
we
are
still
working
to
that
end,
because
what
you're
doing
now
and
getting
it
out
there
on
the
city
site,
we
were
having
concerns
as
to
whether
or
not
that
was
being
done.
So
that's
a
good
way
to
say
that
we've
tackled
that
one
and
we're
still
yet
looking
for
other
means
to
communicate
with
the
community
at
large.
Okay,
I
understand.
C
And
to
add
a
couple
months
ago,
I
brought
up
the
idea
of
doing
a
community
engagement
committee,
so
this
is
definitely
something
that
we
can
tackle
moving
down
the
road
making
it
part
of
our
goals
that
we
are
active
in
the
community
attending
events
to
get
the
mass
media
information
out
there.
You
know
we
can't
rely
just
on
the
media
or
in
the
newspaper
and
online
system.
So
I'm
a
firm
believer
that
we
we
have
to
be
boots
on
the
ground
out
in
the
community.
C
You
know
sharing
our
message
and
reporting
out
to
the
community
on
our
annual
report,
so
we
can
add
to
our
next
meetings
agenda
next
month
the
discussion
of
community
engagement,
so
that
we
can
come
up
with
a
plan
on
how
we
want
to
tackle
that
piece
for
for
the
community.
B
C
No,
since
there
hasn't
been,
none
done
anything
in
2021
for
that
we
can
definitely
put
in
make
a
motion
so
I'll
make
a
motion
to
add
the
discussion
of
community
engagement
committee
for
next
month's
agenda
so
that
we
can
discuss
how
that's
going
to
look
like.
I
know
we're
going
to
need
some
sort
of
budget
to
buy
a
tablecloth,
10
print
for
sure
you
know
we're
out
in
the
community.
We
have
to
print
out
the
annual
report.
C
So
how
that's
going
to
look
like,
so
we
can
discuss
that
at
our
next
meeting
amongst
all
the
members
and
share
ideas
of
how
we
can
spread
the
the
word
of
the
work
that
we're
doing.
D
And
I
want
to
say
this:
it's
not
that
I'm
against
going
out
in
the
community,
but
I
think
we
have
already
been
stated
with
our
new
ordinance
that
we've
got
to
go
in
the
community
for
four
meetings.
I
did
not
want
us
to
go
beyond
those
four
meetings.
D
So
if,
when
we're
going
to
those
four
meetings
and
we're
doing
that,
community
engagement
doing
things
like
that,
I'm
agreeing
with
you,
but
I
think
we
are
already
kind
of
kind
of
mandated
in
our
new
our
new
ordinance
that
we've
got
to
go
out
there
four
times
a
year
and
once
we
go
out
there
they've
indicated
you
know
we're
not
going
to
have
access
to
the
people
who
do
stay
home
and
watch
us
on
tv
unless
they
happen
to
be
in
their
community
where
they're
going.
D
But
when
we
do
all
four
of
the
communities
that
I
would
see
in
the
four
courtrooms
whatever
we.
However,
we
divided
under
the
single
member
district
city
council
individuals,
then
I
think
that's
when
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
our
brochures,
our
annual
meeting
information
about
what
we're
doing
and
letting
people
know.
But
I
think,
on
a
monthly
basis,
we
need
to
be
letting
the
radio
the
tv,
whether
it's
social
media.
D
They
need
to
know
that
we're
meeting
on
the
I
get
one
of
the
city
meetings
every
month
and
it
comes
out
about
a
week
early
and
it's
via
email
and
until
and
when
we
are
not
meeting.
I
go
to
their
meeting
because
it's
another
city
community
meeting-
and
I
not
asking
the
mayor
to
put
our
meetings
on
her
schedule.
But
what
happened
with
the
protest
was
that
people
did
not
know.
D
C
And
I
agree,
but
I
just
feel
like
four
meetings
out
in
the
community,
who
knows
that
people
are
going
to
attend
when
you
you
go
to
meetings
and
one
day
you
have
two
or
three
bodies
there.
But
if
you
are
out
in
a
community
there's
thousands
of
attendees
attending,
I
just
feel
the
way
to
expand
the
the
mass
media
per
se
going
to
an
event
that
we're
going
to
close.
For
you
know.
D
I
agree
with
you,
but
I
will
admit
when
we
did
them
previously.
We
didn't
go
with
the
single
member
districts
and
you
may
not
have
known
that.
We
actually
went
with
the
three
districts
of
tpd.
The
meetings
were
full.
They
were
packed
because
we
went
to
those
communities
and
tpd
in
those
areas
had
them
all
to
come
and
all
three
of
those
meetings
were
packed
with
community
people
and
they
were
interested.
They
came.
D
G
No
sir,
just
we
would
need
to
know
if
obviously
we
can
make
that
one
change
with
noting
this
guy
as
the
vice
chair
and
then
if
there
is
a
statement
that
the
board
wants
to
make.
That
would
need
to
be
be
crafted,
and
then
we
would
need
to
approve
the
annual
report.
So
we
can
submit
it
and
get
on
the
council
agenda.
B
So
well
I
mean
that's,
why
we're
discussing
it,
so
I
what
I've!
The
notes
that
I
have
documented
dr
collins
is
that
you
want
more
community
engagement
or
more,
not
engagement.
I
apologize
but
more
community
awareness
of
the
board
that
that's
the
largest
that's
the
biggest
thing
that
I've
taken
away
from
what
your
comments
were,
is
more
public
awareness
of
the
citizens
review
board
whether
it
would
be
blasting
with
emails.
B
Community
emails
excuse
me
or
connection
with
media
outlets
that
that's
what
your
your,
what
that's?
What
you're
saying
correct.
D
Emails,
yes,
anything
we
can
do
that
would
improve
the
communication
in
the
community
even
to
the
point
of
just
sending
communications
to
the
churches.
I
want
to
say
organizations
it
doesn't
matter
as
long
as
we
putting
forth
that
effort
on
a
basis
to
improve
the
community,
and
then
you
said
the
issues
was
on
here.
I'm
sorry,
I
just
was
saying
in
addition
to
the
communications.
Did
you
have
the
issues
on
here
that
we
were
pending.
A
B
What
I'm
taking
away
from
dr
collins
is
that
she
wants,
on
page
number,
nine
section,
seven
to
include
that
the
citizens
review
board
in
2021
monitors
continued
cases
that
they
have
not
resolved
or
there's
a
monitoring
of
those
cases
according
to
the
new
format
of
the
agenda.
Additionally,
the
citizens
review
board
would
like
to,
but
I
mean
that
that's
something
in
the
future
about
the
communications-
that's
not
what's
occurred
in
2020.
You
know
no,
it's.
D
Not
in
the
future,
because
we've
never
we've
been
talking
about
this
since
we've
been
here
and
we've
been
asking
for
it
to
be
done
and
what
you
say
that
you're
doing
now.
Thank
you.
That's
something
that
we've
been
asking
on
an
ongoing
basis
that
would
be
done
so
you're
indicating
now
that
you're
actually
sending
something
out
there
to
the
city.
Well,
we
did
you
do
that
in
2021.
D
B
So
that
is,
I
don't,
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
this
is
an
annual
report
from
2021
what
this
board
already
already
did
in
2021,
so
moving
forward.
We
could
talk
about.
You
know
that
that
that
principle
of
increasing
the
communication,
but
that's
not
what
needs
to
be
included
in
the
2021
annual
report,
because
that
wasn't
done.
You
see
what
I'm
saying
right.
D
And
we
developed
a
list
to
send
out
to
when
we
did
the
survey.
It
still
has
not
been
done.
So
what
you're
doing
now
is
what
we're
saying
is.
How
do
we
get
this
done
and
at
one
point
we
decided
to
come
up
with
a
special
position
on
the
crb,
which
would
be
our
pr
position.
We
didn't
do
it
because
they
say:
oh
no,
we
can
do
that
with
the
city
and
we
said
we.
You
know
we
understand
that
you
guys
are
loaded
with
work,
we're
not
trying
to
overwork
your
person
is.
D
Do
we
need
to
do
this
so
that
we
can
push
it
out
there
and
make
sure
that
it's
out
there
in
the
community
and
people
know
that
we're
doing
it?
And
that's
all
I'm
saying
so:
it's
been
ongoing
and
whatever
you're
doing
our
whole
focus
to
the
city
council
is
to
let
them
know,
because
many
of
them
didn't
understand.
Clearly
what
we
were
doing,
because
some
of
the
things
that
they
listened
to
the
community
and
implement
in
in
the
new
ordinance
was
things
we
were
already
doing
and
they
go.
D
Oh,
we
didn't
know
that,
so
it's
that
it's
that
lack
of
communication-
that
is
not
letting
people
know
that
the
staff
is
here
on
tuesday
night
and
the
board
is
here
on
tuesday
night,
and
this
is
what
we're
doing
and
it's
a
time
to
say
that
we're
still
working
on
improving
the
communication
and
what
we're
doing
now.
This
is
what
we
did
in
2021
2022
we're
going
to
try
to
improve
that
and
do
some
other
things.
That's
what
I'm
saying
so
I
hear
what
you're
saying.
B
G
D
B
Limits
are
that's
this.
This
is
your
lane
for
this
annual
report.
It's
2021
in
the
actions
of
the
board
that,
if
there's
anything
else,
you
want
the
city
council
to
know.
That
page
is
that
section
is
what
that's
about,
but
city
council,
that
we're
required
to
notice
the
these
public
meetings.
That's
already
done.
That
is
first.
That
has
to
be
done
in
order
for
a
meeting
to
take
place.
D
And
it's
been,
it's
been
posted
not
just
on
the
police,
the
crb
website,
it's
posted
on
the
city
event
website
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
one
place.
We
have
multiple
places
that
we
do
put
the
crb
meeting
on
okay.
B
So
with
that,
I'm
I'm
trying
to
gather
the
this
so
that
I
can
craft
some
additional
language
to
include
in
this
section
for
the
board.
A
B
G
You
I
believe
the
ordinance
does
require
us
to
bring
this
back
within
30
days.
So
next
month's
meeting,
you
will
approve
the
final
annual
report
with
the
corrections
and
then
we
will
present
that
to
council
within
30
days,
but
the
ordinance
does
require
it
to
be
approved
within
30
days.
So.
B
Captain,
since
we've
already
presented
you've
already
presented
it
we've
gone
over
it
I'm
going
to
just
modify
that
and
provide
that
information.
The
board
can
approve
or
adopt
the
annual
report
tonight
because
they've
thoroughly
as.
B
A
A
G
Okay,
thank
you.
I
will
be
quick
with
this
next
one.
I
wanted
to
to
go
over
some
discipline
procedures
and
progressive
discipline,
kind
of
like
the
reasons
why
we
do
some
of
the
things
we
do
that
are
that
are
all
based
in
law.
So
I
have
provided
this
document
to
everybody
via
email
previously,
so
I'm
not
going
to
spend
a
ton
of
time,
I
don't
believe
in
just
reading
a
powerpoint.
G
So
if
there
are
any
questions
as
I
go
through
it,
please,
mr
chair
interrupt
me
and
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Basically,
three
things
that
I
would
like
to
go
over.
What
are
the
employees
rights?
How
do
we
balance
the
discipline
with
employee
rights?
What
is
progressive
discipline
and
then
just
a
little
bit
about
our
disciplinary
process
and
the
determination
of
discipline?
G
G
Can
you
you
all
see
it
on
your
monitors?
Okay,
okay,
great
though
it's
chapter
112
of
the
florida
statutes,
which
is
law
enforcement
officers,
bill
of
rights,
we
also
have
a
chapter
basically
that
deals
with
all
public
employees
and
then
our
union
contract
and,
of
course,
the
city
of
tampa
charter,
the
law
enforcement
officers
bill
of
rights.
You
probably
have
received
some
training
on
this
in
the
past,
so
these
are
the
main
points.
There's
actually
a
lot
more
to
this.
G
G
We
have
to
tell
them
what
they're
under
under
investigation,
for
we
have
to
tell
them
who's,
making
the
complaint
which,
in
these
formal
cases,
it's
the
chief
of
police,
who
is
the
complainant,
because
the
chief
of
police
initiates
the
formal
case,
and
then
we
have
to
provide
them
all
the
evidence
prior
to
their
interview.
So
they
can
review
that
and
have
a
chance
to
respond
to
the
questions
we
can't
interview
them
just
like
with
criminal
suspects.
We
can't
interview
them
for
hours
and
hours
on
end.
G
We
have
to
give
them
breaks,
we
have
to
interview
them
for
a
reasonable
period
of
time.
We
can't
tell
them.
Well,
if
you
admit
to
this,
we're
not
going
to
fire,
you
we're
just
going
to
give
you
a
reprimand
or
something
we
can't
give
them
promises.
We
can't
make
any
sort
of
rewards
to
them.
For
for
answering
our
questions,
we
have
to
record
all
of
the
interviews.
G
We
also
have
to
record
any
breaks
that
are
conducted
during
those
interviews
and
if
they
want
to,
we
have
to
give
them
a
copy
of
that
recording
within
72
hours,
I'm
just
like
with
any
other
criminal
suspect.
If
it's
a
custodial
interview,
if
they're
going
to
be
arrested
or
if
they
are
under
arrest,
we
have
to
provide
the
memorandum
warnings
like
anybody
else.
They
have
the
right,
under
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
under
the
statute,
to
be
represented
by
either
an
attorney
of
their
choosing
or
of
their
labor
representative
from
the
union.
G
Something
called
a
complaint
review
board.
The
bill
of
rights
also
allows
for
that.
That's
when
the
officer
gets
to
pick
two
people
to
hear
the
case.
If
there
is
a
finding
of
discipline
or
finding
of
a
violation
and
there's
going
to
be
discipline
that
could
result
in
suspension,
demotion
or
dismissal
on
the
officer
has
the
right
to
have
a
complaint
review
board.
G
They
can
pick
two
people,
the
chief
of
police,
picks
two
people
and
then
those
four
they
pick
a
fifth
person
and
then
that
group
of
people
will
hear
the
case
and
read
all
the
evidence.
Just
like,
like
you
get
to
see
and
basically
act
like
you,
do
they
get
to
make
a
determination
of
whether
or
not
they
concur?
They
don't
concur
with
the
findings
of
the
disposition
of
the
case.
G
The
the
law
also
allows
officers
to
sue
for
false
complaints
that
doesn't
create
a
new
law
that
makes
filing
a
false
complaint
against
an
officer
illegal.
It
basically
just
prevents
an
agency
from
having
a
policy
that
would
prohibit
an
officer
from
suing
somebody
under
existing
statutes.
G
So
yes,
so
he
would
have
been
mirandized
at
some
point
by
the
sheriff's
office
in
the
criminal
investigation.
So
so
this
right
here,
the
the
bill
of
rights
or
the
law
enforcement
officers
rights.
It
deals
with
our
internal
affairs
investigations,
our
administrative
investigations.
Now
there
are
some
departments,
we
don't
do
it
that
way,
but
some
departments,
especially
the
small
ones.
They
may
have
the
same
person
doing
both
a
criminal
investigation
and
an
internal
affairs
investigation.
So
there's
a
separation
between
the
two.
G
So
if
it's
a
criminal
case,
then
then
they're
mirandized,
we
don't
get
involved
in
that
until
after
the
criminal
cases
is
proceeded
like
when
in
officer
barnwell's
case,
he
was
not
mirandized
in
internal
affairs
because
he
was
already
arrested
and
he
had
already
been
charged.
So
he
would
not
be
arrested
again
for
the
exact
same
thing
but
yeah.
He
would
have
been
mirandized
by
the
deputies
that
night
right
on
scene.
That
was
my
question.
G
Okay,
we
have
to
obviously
give
them
a
written
notification
for
disciplinary
action.
There
is
the
what's
called
the
180
day
rule.
So
that
means
when
a
complaint
comes
forward.
We
have
to.
We
have
to
investigate
that
case
and
then
decide
what
kind
of
a
discipline
we're
going
to
impose
on
the
officer
within
six
months.
Now,
there's
a
list
there
of
exceptions
to
that
there
are
a
lot,
especially
if
it's
a
criminal
investigation.
G
G
It
should
be
done
consecutively
and
if
new
evidence
does
come
up,
that
was
not
in
existence
when
the
case
was
filed
and
we
can
we
can
reopen
any
case
even
if
it's
a
closed
case,
but
it's
we
have
90
days
to
complete
that
investigation
once
the
case
is
reopened
now
also
in
the
florida
statutes
chapter
447
deals
with
the
public
employees
relations
act.
Now,
that
is,
for
every
public
employee
that
previous
one
under
112
is
just
law
enforcement
officers.
Rights
447
deals
with
all
public
employees.
G
Basically,
this
specific
statute
here
it
allows
and
requires
that
public
employers
can
only
take
disciplinary
action
for
just
cause
and
I'll
get
into
that
a
little
bit
later.
But
it
says
we
can
discipline
for
just
cause
and
if
they're
they're
we're
going
to
fire
somebody
or
leave
them
of
duties,
it
has
to
be
for
a
legitimate
reason.
G
Also,
this
gives
all
public
employees
the
right
to
collectively
bargain
that's.
Why
there's
a
collective
bargaining
agreement?
That's
why
there's
a
union
because
that's
allowed
under
447
florida
statutes
and
also
that's
also,
why
we
have
the
representative
rule
why
an
officer
is
allowed
to
have
an
attorney
or
representative
with
them
again,
because
all
public
employees
the
same
thing
for
for
any
city
of
tampa
employee,
no
matter
what
department
they
work
in.
If
they
can,
they
can
be
represented
by
a
representative
of
their
choice.
G
There
is
also
a
we
have
the
grievance
procedure.
We've
talked
about
that
previously
about
officers
who
get
their
discipline
reversed,
going
in
front
of
either
an
arbitrator
or
the
civil
service
board.
Chapter
447
here
requires
that
there
is
a
grievance
procedure
and
there
is
a
neutral
third
party
that
will
settle
that
final
grievance.
That
can
either
be
the
arbitrator
or
the
the
civil
service
board
here
in
tampa
tampa
charter
not
going
to
go
into
this
much
same
thing,
it
says
we
can
only
discipline
somebody
remove
them
from
from
service
for
cause.
G
It
actually
goes
into
specific,
specific
things,
such
as
insubordination,
moral
turpitude
violations,
breach
of
the
peace.
Basically,
it
says
it
gives
us
examples
of
what
these
serious
violations
are,
that
could
result
in
basically
suspension,
demotion
or
dismissal.
G
Now
our
pba
contract.
This
is
kind
of
what
what
goes
into
the
progressive
discipline
again,
that
just
cause
is
mentioned.
We're
kind
of
going
in
order
here.
Oral
admonishments
are
the
the
most
minor
form
of
discipline
goes
all
the
way
up
to
dismissal
in
the
end
payment
for
lost
or
damaged
equipment.
If
we,
if
an
officer,
is
negligent,
they
lose
the
radio.
We
can
charge
the
officer
through
payroll
deductions.
G
We
can
like,
in
this
specific
case
we
mentioned
today,
the
loss
of
pay
and
reassignment
that
is
is
specific
to
that.
That
can
also
is
considered
when
we
talk
about
discipline.
One
thing
that's
not
on
here,
because
it's
not
really
a
discipline
matter
in,
but
in
certain
cases,
with
certain
policies
that
are
violated,
especially
if
they
involve
things
like
substance,
abuse
or
other
other
matters
of
concern.
You
know
we
do
have
the
employee
assistance
program.
We
do
have
ways
to
require
officers,
seek
specific
treatment
for
or
get
evaluated
for
certain
conditions.
G
You
know
if
we
think
that
there
is
an
underlying
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
Maybe
it's
not
going
to
be
addressed
through
discipline,
but
it
could
be
addressed
elsewhere.
So
that
is
something
that
it's
not
included
in
discipline,
but
it's
also
something
that
the
department
looks
at
when
cases
come
up
and
when
we're
looking
at
basically
doing
imposing
some
sort
of
discipline
on
employee.
That
is
a
secondary
thing
that
we
can
also
look
at
because
a
lot
of
people
will
say:
okay.
Well,
you
you
have
suspended
this
person
and
you've
demoted
this
person.
G
Well,
what
is
being
done
to
to
help
them
with
their
problem
and
that's
something
that's
dealt
with
separately,
but
it
is
something
that
we
deal
with
outside
of
the
discipline,
the
disciplined
world,
so
our
manual
of
regulation.
This
is
this-
is
the
progressive
discipline
part
corrective
action
to
ensure
that
the
employees,
don't
repeat
the
violations?
That's
the
whole
point
of
it.
G
There
are
certain
conditions,
including
violation
of
the
b-12
policy,
which
is
the
discriminant
cities,
discriminatory
conduct,
policy
theft,
untruthfulness
excessive
force,
corruption,
and
while
it
says
it's
not
an
all-inclusive
list,
that
is
considered
serious
misconduct,
so
people
can
just
be
immediately
fired,
suspended,
demoted
for
something
like
that
without
going
through
the
progressive
process
of
giving
them
letters
of
counseling
and
written
reprimands.
First,
so
anything
that's
considered
serious
misconduct.
G
G
So
and
then
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
here,
where
the
reason
that
the
the
discipline
has
to
be
reasonable,
it
can't
be
arbitrary.
We
can't
do
one
thing
to
one
person
that
we
don't
do
to
somebody
else
for
the
same
thing
and
it
can't
be
too
severe
and
that's
what
an
arbitrator
is
going
to
look
at.
I
actually
got
this
from
the
national
academy
of
arbitrators.
Those
are
the
independent
attorneys
who
act
as
that
that
neutral
third
party
in
the
final
step
of
the
grievance
process.
So
that's
determined
one
thing
by
progressive
discipline.
G
You
know:
has
the
discipline
been
progressive
if
the
discipline's
not
been
progressive,
very
good
chance,
the
arbitrator
is
going
to
say
that
there
is
not
just
cause
rule
makings.
The
second
thing
we
have
a
lot
of
those.
That's
our
policies,
our
procedures,
our
rules,
our
regulations.
You
can't
discipline
somebody
if
there's
not
a
rule
against
it,
we're
very
good.
G
G
You
can't
have
a
complainant
also
doing
the
investigation
and
finding
that
person.
You
know
in
violation
of
something
or
imposing
specific
discipline,
so
the
arbitrator
is
going
to
look
at,
as
was
that
officer
given
or
employee,
given
a
fair
investigation
and
then
last
chance
agreements,
that's
something
that
can
actually
I've
seen
verbiage
like
that
on
on
our
da88s,
our
discipline,
action
forums
where
it
basically
will
say
you
know,
future
violations
will
result
in
more
severe
discipline.
G
So
that's
putting
the
officer
on
notice
or
the
employee.
I
noticed
that
if
they,
if
they
continue
to
have
disciplinary
problems,
they're
going
to
get
more
severe
discipline
in
the
future,
so
those
are
the
kind
of
the
prongs
of
how
we
determine
and
how
an
arbitrator
is
going
to
determine
just
cause,
and
when
we
impose
our
discipline,
you
know
we
always
want
our
discipline
to
stand
when
it
goes
through
the
grievance
process.
G
I
we
does
anybody
need
me
to
go
over
the
disciplinary
process,
or
does
everyone
kind
of
know
how
that
that
works?
At
tpd,
okay,
I'd
save
a
lot
of
time
with
that.
So
final
thing
in
this
determining
the
discipline.
How
do
we
do
that?
And
that's
that's
in
our
manual
regulation
of
how
we
determine
discipline
the
officer's
length
of
service
that
could
be
either
a
positive
thing
or
or
a
negative
thing.
G
Somebody
who's
been
there
20
years,
you
know
maybe
should
have
known
better
somebody
who's
brand
new-
maybe
maybe
they
shouldn't
have
or
it
could
be-
could
be
the
exact
opposite
depending
on
what
the
violation
is.
What
is
the
when's?
The
last
time
the
officer
has
been
disciplined
for
anything.
Have
they
ever
been
disciplined
before
if
they
have
been
disciplined
before,
have
they
made
any
efforts
to
improve?
Have
they
improved?
G
G
What
has
been
done
to
them,
because
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
first
things
that
the
grievance
process
is
gonna
is
gonna
address
as
well
you're,
giving
this
person
a
suspension,
but
these
five
people
only
got
letters
of
counseling,
so
they're
gonna
go
back
to
the
just
cause
when
it
goes
in
front
of
the
arbitrator
and
say
well
this.
This
was
not
progressive.
G
There
was
not
just
cause,
so
we
look
at
previous
disciplinary
action
for
similar
violations
and
then
finally,
the
intent
of
the
officer
was
the
officer
trying
to
just
be
was
the
officer
unknowing.
Did
they
violate
a
policy
because
they
just
were
not
familiar
with
the
policy?
Did
they
violate
the
policy
because
they
were
just
being
lazy
and
didn't
want
to
do
work?
Or
did
they
violate
the
policy
because
they
were,
they
were
being
malicious
and
wanted
to
cause
harm.
G
So
the
intent
of
the
officer
is
going
to
be
considered
when
discipline's
imposed
and
the
chief's
executive
staff
at
our
staff
meetings.
They
will
discuss
a
case
on
every
they
meet
every
monday
and
thursday
and
part
of
the
staff
meetings
involves
the
discussion
of
discipline
and
they'll
roundtable
the
case
and
they'll
decide.
You
know
what
they
want
to
do
as
far
as
the
the
discipline
goes.
In
that
specific
case.
G
The
executive
staff
is
the
chief,
the
two
assistant
chiefs,
all
the
majors
and
then
the
legal
advisor
the
public
information
officer
is,
is
considered
part
of
the
executive
staff.
Usually
the
public
information
officer
doesn't
really
chime
in
on
discipline
and
I'm
not
I
I
do
work
directly
for
the
chief,
but
I'm
technically
not
part
of
the
executive
staff,
but
sometimes,
if
there's
a
specific
question
about
internal
affairs
process
or
the
investigative
process
I'll
get
called
in
to
you
know
to
explain
that
or
to
chime
in
on
the
discipline
there.
Thank
you.
A
I
got
a
quick
question
on
one
of
your
slides
caught
my
attention.
The
word
insubordination:
what's
your
definition
of
that
word
in.
G
Insubordination,
I
believe
that
was
the
one
in
yeah
in
the
city
of
tampa
charter.
Here,
insubordination
would
be
when
you're
given
an
order,
and
you
do
not
follow
that
order.
You
choose
not
to
follow
that
order
intentionally.
I
could.
A
G
If
insubordination
would
require,
I
can
pull
the
the
regulation
up
and
read
it
to
the
board,
but
yes,
it
would
require
some
sort
of
a
hierarchy.
You
know
for
for
one
officer
not
doing
something.
Another
officer
says
unless
that
that
officer
is
acting
in
the
capacity
of
a
higher
rank.
That
would
not
be.
That
would
not
be
considered
insubordination.
G
Here's
the
mor
department
employees
shall
promptly
obey
lawful
orders
of
a
supervisor.
This
shall
include
orders
relayed
to
an
officer
of
the
same
or
lesser
rank.
A
lawful
order
is
an
order
which
officers
should
reasonably
believe
to
be
consistent
with
the
requirements
of
their
duties.
G
Yeah
for
the
leo.
F
Bill
of
rights
is
that
a
state
document
or
is
that
a
tpd
specific
deal
it.
G
B
Kamaria
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney
so
city
attorney's
office.
So
when
I
came
on
board
to
the
citizens
review
board,
I
conducted
a
training
one
of
the.
I
think
it
was
the
second
training
with
the
citizens
review
board
and
according
to
the
ordinance
that
this
board
is
operating
under
the
citizens.
Review
board
must
conduct
meetings
out
in
the
community
for
meetings
based
on
the
single
district
council
members.
B
So
I
know
this
is
tough
to
air
out
with
the
board.
Unless
someone
has
some
suggested
locations.
I
know
mr
urban,
you
had
made
a
recommendation
early
on
about
a
potential
location
for
a
meeting,
but
has
the
board
thought
about
any
locations
for
a
meeting?
If
not,
I
can
work
with
the
council
members
aides
in
order
to
get
some
ideas
on
locations
and
present
that
back
to
the
board.
I.
B
I
will
work
with
the
council
members,
aides
and
and
to
get
a
better
idea,
come
up
with
some
options
and
I'll
be
able
to
present
that
back
to
to
on
the
board
at
our
next
meeting.
Hopefully,.
E
The
the
year's
rolling
already
so
can
we
determine
now
that
we
would
want
the
next
meeting
in
april
to
be
at
one
of
these
locations.
B
E
A
B
Reflect
that
on
the
agenda
of
the
proposed
locations-
and
you
could
see
that
on
the
agenda
and
then
be
prepared
to
discuss
those
locations
when
we
appear
together
as
a
board
at
the
april
26th
agenda.
E
B
A
Okay,
moving
on
on
our
agenda
with
item
11
items
continued.
We
are
still
monitoring
case
number
20
f-148.
Is
there
any
status
of
that
case?
Captain
mesmer
you'd
like
to
share
with
us.
G
Yes,
sir,
so
of
course
this
this
case
was
presented
to
the
board
prior
to
me.
Coming
into
my
position,
my
understanding
was
that
the
board
was
unable
to
reach
a
decision
on
that
case,
and
this
was
under
the
old
rules
of
procedure
where
I
think
they
just
were
able
to
to
vote
on
the
the
the
findings,
not
necessarily
the
the
discipline.
G
G
G
The
the
board
had
some
questions
about
the
similar
discipline
with
others,
so
I
did
have
the
human
resources
department
and
this
isn't
he's
actually,
the
only
tpd
officer
who's
been
disciplined
for
that
for
a
very
long
time.
Definitely
within
the
last
five
years,
but
I
did
have
the
human
resources
department
pull
some
stats
for
the
last
five
years
about
those.
So
I
can.
I
can
share
those
with
the
board
or
answer
any
questions
about
that
specific
case.
G
I'm
not
I'm
not
not
100
sure
why?
What
exactly
the
question
was
that
needed
to
be
answered
in
this
case.
D
I
think
that
the
biggest
concern
the
boy
had
was
what
you
said
earlier,
statistically
what
what
what
we're
looking
at
in
the
district-
and
I
think
it
was
an
open
case-
deal
it
was
still
being
investigated
and
that's
why
another
reason
they
couldn't
give
us
any
information.
So
we
asked
them
not
that
case
and
give
us
some
statistics
and
that's
how
we
that's
why
we
didn't
agree
with
or
that's
why
we
didn't
concur.
G
Okay
yeah.
So
in
the
past
five
years
there
have
been
11
employees
in
the
city
of
tampa
who
were
charged
with
the
violation
of
the
the
b
1.2
policy
out
of
those
11
9
were
terminated
and
the
other
two
were
given
suspensions,
so
the
vast
majority
of
them
are
terminated.
There
were.
There
were
several
situations
that
involved
a
certain
circumstances.
People
of
the
same
race
using
racial
slurs
against
others
of
the
same
race
and
those
individuals
were
terminated
as
well.
G
D
G
D
G
And
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
the
details
of
these
cases.
The
two
suspensions,
though
it
one
of
them,
one
of
the
the
individuals
who
was
suspended
and
none
of
these
people
again
were
from
the
police
department
that
one
case
that
was
the
only
police
case
involving
the
b
1.2
policy.
G
G
F
G
G
So
that
we
actually
had
that
individual
in
the
back
of
the
car,
so
I
don't
know
if
there
was
another
off-duty
incident.
I
don't
it
sounds
like
it
sounds
like
it
wasn't
according
to
this,
but
no
it
appears
that
everybody
everybody
here
was
on
duty
during
this.
I
think
there
was
a
question
the
one
I
just
mentioned
about
the
the
picture
that
got
sent
out
as
a
looks
like
a
group
text
message.
It
doesn't
say
whether
or
not
that
person
was
on
duty.
Thank
you.
G
A
D
Yes,
because
we
asked
for
statistics,
we
didn't
agree
with
it.
I
think,
and
we
symbolize
the
statistics.
Okay,.
B
A
B
I
do
have
one
last
thing
that
I
just
want
to
address
quickly
with
the
board
at
the
last
meeting
on
february:
22nd
2022
the
board
reviewed
case
21f04
and
wanted
to
make
a
written
recommendation
to
the
chief
of
police
to
for
the
intent
of
the
officer
to
be
a
factor
for
to
be
considered
when
determining
the
discipline
of
an
officer.
B
I
do
have
that
written
statement
prepared,
but
I'm
bringing
it
up
now
after
captain
mesmer
provided
his
presentation.
B
Does
the
board
still
think
that
the
written
statement
is
necessary
based
upon
captain
mesmer's
presentation
that
the
intent
is
I'm
going
to
say
element?
That's
just
what
I'm
comfortable
saying
an
element
that
is
considered
for
the
discipline
of
an
officer.
B
A
This
also
goes
to
captain
mesmer's.
I
think
it
was
your
last
or
second
to
the
last
slide
when
you
were
showing
like,
like
the
mitigating
circumstances
and
one
was
length
of
service
experiences,
etc,
etc,
etc,
and
I'm
trying
to
look
into
the
spirit
of
this
looking
at
this
and
then
remember
recalling
what
you
had
on
your
slide
and
at
least
my
opinion,
my
first
take
of
it
is,
I
think,
that's
fairly
inclusive,
that
captures
that
spirit.
G
Yes,
sir,
so
and
the
intent
has
has
been
in
there,
and
it
always
is
something
that
the
executive
staff
determines
with
discipline.
Now
the
board
didn't
concur
with
it
and
that's
the
board's
pleasure
not
to
concur
with
the
findings
and
there's
there's,
obviously
nothing
nothing
wrong
with
that,
but
correct,
and
if
the
board
wants
to
write
a
letter
to
the
chief
and
make
a
written
recommendation,
that's
fine.
But
this
recommendation,
which
was
the
request
of
the
board
last
month,
that
already
exists
in
policy.
C
So
I
know
we
discussed
that
we
had
a
process
in
place
and
we
discussed
it
in
lengthy
and
the
reason
we
came
up
with
the
portion
of
creating
a
recommendation
is
because
of
the
severity
and
details
of
the
case.
So
we
were
talking
about
a
case
where
there
was
a
veg
rape
and
there
was
open
condom
and
there
was
like
everything
all
the
evidence
was
there
that
was
raped
and
the
officer
was
trying
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
anything
that
I
articulate.
C
I
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
progressive
discipline
last
time
and-
and
we
all
discussed
that,
yes,
we
understand
the
progressive
discipline,
but
when
it
comes
to
certain
issues
such
as
that
magnitude,
that
it's
more
serious
things
that
others
that
may
require
immediate
determination
or
and
I'm
not
and
we're
not
saying
that
we
recommended
the
immune
determination,
but
instead
of
a
written
counseling,
whether
to
be
suspension
or
something
that
nature.
Because
of
the
degree
of
the
nature
that
happened
with
the
case
that
we
reviewed
last
time.
B
B
So,
according
to
the
policies
that
are
already
existing
and
captain
mesmer,
can
I
don't
want
to
speak
on
your
behalf,
but
there
is
a
flow
and
there's
no
provision
that
captain
mesmer
discussed
with
the
board
to
just
be
able
to
jump
to
immediate
termination.
Is
that
what
you're
asking
for?
Is
that?
What
you're?
Is
that?
What
you're?
Looking
for
that
clarification.
C
Yeah,
but
definitely
again
we're
not
saying
that,
from
the
case
from
last
month
that
we
are
saying
an
immediate
termination
should
have
happened,
but
more
something
more
severe
than
just
a
written
document.
When
you
have
evidence
in
front
of
you
that
there
is
a
rape
case
like
does
it
take
three
times
for
somebody
to
get
raped,
to
be
able
to
hold
a
police
officer,
you
know
to
to
a
degree.
That's
like
hey.
C
You
know
on
your
fourth
time,
make
sure
you
you
you
see
that
this
is
a
rape
and
don't
convince
the
victim
to
not
want
to
proceed
with
charges.
So
that's
where
I'm
leaning
towards
when
it
comes
to
the
security
of
the
case.
C
A
I
think
that
if
I
personally,
if
I
would
have
seen
this
presentation
when
simultaneously
with
the
case
that
was
presented,
I
might
have
had
a
little
bit
different
perspective
and
reaction
than
I
did
last
month.
A
B
So
this
is
based
on
the
motion
that
was
approved
at
the
last
agenda.
This
is
the
written
recommendation
that
I
prepared.
Obviously
it's
not
submitted
to
the
chief
of
police,
but
if
it's
the
board's
pleasure,
you
could
certainly
make
a
motion
to
not
send
this
recommendation
to
the
chief
of
police
based
upon
the
information
that
was
provided
today
from
captain
mesper
that
this
concern,
or
this
recommendation
is
already
taken
into
consideration.
E
That
that
letter,
since
it's
it's
already
been
addressed
by
the
by
the
police
department,.
A
D
We
have
a
new
police
chief
and
since
the
news
police
chief
is
on
board,
normally
the
police
chief
will
usually
come
by
and
do
a
brief
presentation,
and
I
would
ask
that
some
consideration
be
given
to
the
police
chief
in
her
tight
schedule
to
prepare
to
come
before
the
crp.
So
we
get
an
opportunity.
B
D
B
D
I
didn't
see
that
in
a
minute
she
came
as
the
chief
of
police
without
a
4-2
vote
right.
I'm.
A
If
not
the
next
crb
meeting,
as
stated
earlier
by
city
attorney,
will
be
on
april
26,
2022,
6
pm
here
at
city
hall,
and
I'd
just
like
to
make
emphasize
one
last
comment:
if
any
board
member
cannot
attend,
please
notify
the
city
clerk
at
least
48
hours
in
advance.
It's
really
important,
especially
with
our
tight
quorum,
that
we
have
here
in
the
important
business
that
we
have
to
handle
for
for
the
city
and
for
its
citizens.
I
appreciate
it.
Okay,.