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A
A
A
B
B
My
name
is
Rasheed
Akil
I
am
the
chair
of
the
citizen
review
board
and
at
this
time
the
February
28th
2023
meeting
of
the
citizen
review
board
is
now
called
to
order.
Please
rise
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
I
will
ask
one
to
remain
standing
for
a
brief
moment
of
silence
and
memory
of
our
recent
past
and
board
member
Robert
urban.
B
B
Show
all
members
of
the
citizen
review
board
are
present,
with
the
exception
of
Reverend
Banks.
We
will
now
move
on
to
item
four.
The
agenda
titled
the
elections.
The
floor
is
open
to
any
board
members
who
wish
to
submit
a
nomination.
F
Good
evening
members
Shirley
Fox
knows
city
clerk
for
the
City
of
Tampa.
We
will
now
conduct
the
election
for
chairman
and
vice
chairman
of
the
citizen
review
board
here,
the
election
guidelines,
the
election
of
the
chairman,
will
be
held.
First,
nominations
do
not
require.
Second,
please
wait
to
be
recognized
before
nominating
a
candidate.
I
will
open
the
nominations
and
close
them.
After
all,
nominations
have
been
made.
Votes
will
be
counted
by
raising
the
hand
the
vote
will
be
taken
in
order
of
the
nomination
beginning
with
the
first
name
nominated.
F
F
F
B
Or
pleasure
to
be
addition
to
serve
the
community
of
Tampa
at
large
I
am
fortunate
to
be
able
to
serve
with
such
a
panel
of
members
who
share
the
same
dedication,
devotion
and
from
various
backgrounds.
I
believe
this
panel
represents
the
diversity
of
Tampa
and
again
I
am
grateful
to
be
able
to
fulfill
my
responsibility
and
the
growth
and
success
of
our
city
under
certain
such
leadership
as
our
mayor,
Jane,
caster,
the
city
council,
the
entire
city
staff
Administration,
including
that
type
of
Tampa
Police
Department.
F
F
Miss
agandella
has
been
nominated.
Is
there
another
nomination?
F
F
Okay,
we
were
closing
close
the
nominations
on
Mr
engendela
and
Mr
Rays,
all
in
favor
of
Mr
engendela.
Please
raise
your
hand
too.
All
in
favor
of
Mr
Reyes.
Please
raise
your
hand.
F
C
Real
quick,
thank
you.
It's
my
honor
and
my
privilege
to
serve
with
all
of
you
and,
more
importantly,
to
serve
this
community
I'm,
truly
honored.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
B
H
Did
inquire
once
I
got
my
minutes
and
I'm
sorry,
they
were
late.
I
wasn't
able
to
send
them
in
so
I
taken
the
responsibility
for
that.
But
I
would
like
to
indicate
that
because
the
January
minutes
reflect
I
was
late
to
the
meeting
and
I
came
in
and
was
here
when
we
were
actually
voting.
It
was
at
Roman
number
four,
but
unfortunately
we
were
moving
so
fast.
You
indicated
please
let
the
records
reflect
when
we
got
ready
to
make
a
motion
that
I
was
here
and
that
was
under
Roman
numeral
nine.
H
So
what
I'm
saying
is
it
might
not
be
bad
when
any
board
members
come
in
late.
We
kind
of
just
pause
then
and
indicate
that
they
are
here
so
I
would
like
the
January
minutes
to
reflect.
It
does
not
coincide
with
the
tape
because
the
tape
did
have
you
acknowledging
it,
but
because
I
take
my
Medics
too
and
check
when
I
come
in.
H
It
was
actually
I
had
been
in
discussions,
and
it
showed
that
I
came
in
on
Roman
number
nine,
rather
than
Roman
number
four,
so
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
the
minutes
reflect
that,
if
at
all
possible,
but
if
not
as
soon
as
the
member
come
in
you
might
want
to
mention.
It
then
so
that
the
tape
will
match
their.
A
D
B
Had
presentation
that
particular
meeting.
H
B
We
move
item
nine
up,
so
it
appears
that
on
item
when
you
was
present
under
item
nine
but
item
nine
was
actually
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
H
Okay-
and
it's
not
reflected
so
what
you
know,
what
I'm
trying
to
reflect
right.
That
I
was
here
when
we
did
the
minutes,
that's
how
and
for
all
board
members
when
they
are
coming
in,
because
we
were
probably
in
the
discussion,
even
if
we
moved
it
up.
But
I
was
here
when
we
did
the
minutes
and
it
and
I
didn't
get
counted
in,
because
I
didn't
get
the
yay
and
Native.
D
B
B
The
minutes
it
does
States
under
approval
of
the
minutes
that
Collins
guy
in
Valdez
was
absent.
A
I
B
B
Board
member
Lincoln
Tamayo
has
made
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
Tuesday
January
24th
2023
meeting
board
member
Colonel
Reyes
has
second
the
motion
of
approval
of
the
minutes
for
the
Tuesday
January
24th
2023
meeting.
Any
further
discussion
will
now
continue
with
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
please
show
by
race
pan
any
opposed.
Please
show
by
raise
of
hand
the
motion
passes.
Thank
you.
B
C
C
The
citizens
review
board
members
are
provided
the
investigative
files
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
The
citizens
review
board
will
hear
from
the
Department
whenever
matters
of
Interest
or
importance
are
requested
for
review
by
the
board
or
the
department.
The
coordinator
for
the
board
is
Captain
Patrick
Mesmer.
C
Any
person
who
wishes
to
make
a
complaint
concerning
a
matter
which
may
be
considered
by
the
Professional
Standards
Bureau
should
see
Captain
Mesmer
for
information
on
how
to
file
a
complaint.
The
board
should
not
discuss
matters
where
the
city
or
the
department
May
likely
be
a
party
in
litigation.
Mr.
B
L
My
address
is
14432
reuter,
strassa
circle
and
I'm
here
from
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee
on
behalf
of
a
person
affected
by
tpd
misconduct,
one
Kelsey
stormsky,
who
was
assaulted
by
tpd
officers,
Nicholas
J,
Hardesty
and
Adonis
morzon
morehon
pronouncing
that
right.
In
reference
to
case
number,
20
cf-000291.
L
Which
occurred
on
10
12
2019
at
St,
Joseph's,
Hospital,
3001,
Dr,
King,
Boulevard,
West
I
would
like
this
matter.
We
would
like
this
matter
investigating
investigated
by
the
crb
As,
a
matter
of
police,
excessive
use
of
force
and
a
violation
of
professional
codes
of
conduct,
as
provided
by
11b-27.0011.
L
Yes,
the
person
who
will
hopefully
be
here
momentarily
herself
has
written
a
statement,
giving
further
information
about
her
case
and
the
context
of
everything
that
led
up
to
how
she
came
to
be
in
custody.
That
night
and
you
know,
we've
we've
read
it
and
it's
a
pretty
clear
cut
and
dry
sort
of
abuse
of
authority
and
abuse
of
Florida
Statutes,
particularly
the
Marchman
act,
which,
as
a
mental
health,
professional
I'm
a
little
familiar
with
Yeah.
L
So,
basically,
the
Marchman
act
provides
for
potential
inpatient
like
treatment
for
substance,
abuse
issues
right
for
somebody
that
can't
necessarily
use
their
own
judgment
to
enter
to
need
to
enter
treatment.
So
if
they're,
you
know
addiction
progresses
to
the
point
of
it
being,
you
know,
potentially
fatal.
You
know
they
can
get
treatment,
but
there's
certain
Provisions
that
were
ignored
in
this
person's
case,
to
the
point
that
it
seemed
to
be
well
for
one
inappropriate,
because
this
wasn't
a
person
who
was
suffering
from
a
substance,
abuse
issue.
L
This
was
just
somebody
that
had
been
picked
up
one
night
because
her
friend
rolled
through
a
stop
sign
and
she
was
sort
of
left
or
was
going
to
be
left
on
the
side.
L
Alone
but
I
guess
the
officer
decided
to
take
her
to
St
Joe's
hospital
because
he
thought
she
was
an
alcoholic.
It
doesn't
make
sense,
and
so
yes,
this
this
law,
this
Marchman
Act,
was
improperly
applied.
In
this
case
a
hundred
percent
and
yeah.
We
would
just
like
it
reviewed,
as
a
matter
of
you
know,
both
the
improper
use
of
that
statute
as
well.
As
you
know,
again,
the
police,
you
know
professional
conduct,
statutes
yeah.
It
was
it's
very,
very
clear
that
you.
B
L
N
So
I
live
at
9606,
North
12th
Street
I'm
here
today
on
as
a
member
of
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee
and
behalf
on
a
person
affected
by
tpd
misconduct,
Kelsey
stormski,
who
was
assaulted
by
tpd
officers,
Nicholas
J,
Hardesty
and
ardonis
Morrison
in
reference
to
case
number
20
cf00291,
which
occurred
on
October
12
2019
at
St,
Joseph's
Hospital
on
Dr
King,
Boulevard
I
would
like
this
matter
investigated
by
the
crb
As,
a
matter
of
police,
excessive
use
of
force
and
violation
of
professional
codes
of
conduct
provided
in
11b-27.0011.
N
I
have
been
the
person
in
contact
with
Kelsey
stormsky
I've
been
a
middleman,
acting
for
Tampa,
Bay,
CAC
and
the
impacted
person,
and
when
I
tell
you
that
the
effect
that
this
still
has
on
her
every
moment
that
she
thinks
about
this
she's
brought
back
to
the
moment
when
her
head
was
slammed
into
the
tile
floor.
Over
and
over
again,
the
pictures
that
she
sent
us
of
her
bruises,
a
woman
who
is
just
my
height
having
a
man
sit
on
her
neck,
is
something
that
there
is
no
explanation
for
why
that
should
happen.
N
Why
an
entire
body
weight
of
two
officers
should
be
placed
on
her
body
why
she
was
given
the
concussion
why
she
came
out
with
PTSD
from
that
incident,
which
you
can
read
in
the
in
the
statement
that
we've
handed
to
you.
It
comes
with
a
full
account
of
what
she
went
through,
leading
up
to
and
after
that
event,
and
how
she
has
systematically
been
ignored
by
the
state.
Even
by
recently,
the
legal
counsel
for
tpd
told
her
that
there
is
no
other
option
for
her
that
the
FI
she
tried
to
file
a
complaint.
N
N
Today,
they're
I
would
like
to
remind
everyone
of
the
thing
of
the
municipal
code
that
was
read
out
earlier
to
us,
something
that
I
look
at
quite
frequently,
and
it
says
that
you
can
investigate
even
cases
that
don't
have
a
discipline
attached
to
it,
which
is
one
of
those
cases
and
I
implore
you
to
listen
to
your
community,
listen
to
the
members
within
it
and
we're
asking
you
to
investigate
this
case
for
excessive
force.
Thank
you.
B
O
Hello,
my
name
is
Taylor
cook
I
live
in
District
Seven
I
prefer
not
to
have
my
full
address
online,
but
it's
on
the
sheet
of
paper
I'm
with
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee
and
I
also
have
this
statement
that
we
wrote
where
sorry
that
last
comment
really
got
me,
but
I'm
here
from
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee
on
behalf
of
a
person
affected
by
tpd
misconduct,
Kelsey
sterensky,
who
was
assaulted
by
TBD
officers,
Nicholas
J,
Hardesty
and
Adonis
morihan
in
reference
to
case
number
20
CF
000291,
which
occurred
on
10
12
2019
at
St,
Joseph's,
Hospital,
3001,
Dr,
King,
Boulevard,
West.
O
O
And
that's
our
statement
that
probably
everyone
who
speaks
tonight
will
stay
but
I
also
wanted
to
add.
You
know
I
think
I've
been
to
I
missed
a
couple
meetings,
but
I've
been
to
a
lot
of
these
meetings
recently
and
their
turnout
is
really
low
and
I've
been
really
involved
in
Tampa
Bay
CAC
has
been
really
involved,
with
the
fight
for
independent,
Council
and
I.
O
Think
there's
a
reason
why
these
things
come
up
is
because
we
want
to
see
a
crb
that
actually
holds
the
police
accountable
or
investigates
their
misconduct,
issues
and
I
think
you
know,
while
I
appreciate
the
cases
that
you
guys
do,
discuss
I
think
the
public
doesn't
show
out
to
these
meetings
or
even
know
if
this
board's
existence,
because
they
don't
feel
like
it's
helping.
O
You
know
I
feel
like
the
crb
exists
to
like
Tampa
citizens,
especially
in
organizing
in
Tampa
and
talking
to
people
that
live
in
Tampa.
They
don't
see
this
board
as
something
that's
actually
bringing
transparency
or
accountability.
So
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
opportunity
to
show
that
this
board
can
bring
transparency
to
the
citizens
of
Tampa.
So
and
that's
what
I
have
to
say,
thank
you.
P
Hi,
my
name
is
Kenya
Sanchez.
My
address
is
in
the
paper,
so
I'm
just
going
to
read
this
statement,
and
enough
has
said
for
you
guys
to
take
action
regarding
the
issue.
I,
don't
think
I
have
to
say
anything
because
my
peers
have
said
enough
is
now
in
your
hands
to
take
all
the
words
and
everything
that
we
have
said
and
turn
it
into
action.
And
if
you
guys
don't
take
action,
that's
on
you
guys.
Then
we
will
see
the
lack
of
commitment
that
you
have
for
our
community
hello.
B
B
I
Three
minutes
my
name
is
Philip
freund
and
my
address
is
on
the
sheet
of
paper,
though
I
came
in
a
little
late,
so
it
might
be
on
the
sheet
of
paper.
I
B
M
My
name
is
Alvaro
montiallegri
I
live
in
Carrollwood,
Tampa
and
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee
and
I
support
the
the
the
request
to
the
the
civilian
review
board
to
investigate
the
the
case
that
we
are
talking
about
about
this
young
woman,
Kelsey
Stirling
being
brutalized
by
by
Tampa
Police
Department.
B
Q
Hello,
my
name
is
Sandra
zikri.
My
address
is
11248
Paddock
Manor,
Drive,
Riverview,
Florida
I
have
three
sheets
of
paper
to
read,
so
I
won't
take
too
much
time.
I
hope
hello.
I
am
here
today
to
address
my
ongoing
concerns.
A
few
weeks
ago,
mayor
Jane
caster
and
the
state
prosecutor.
Both
informed
me
that
they're
going
to
call
me
and
schedule
a
meeting
about
this
case.
I
have
not
followed,
followed
up
just
yet
because
I'm
seeking
additional
support
from
the
crb.
Q
A
detective
in
the
Professional
Standards
Bureau
informed
me
on
several
occasions
that
there
has
been
a
policy
violation
of
the
detective,
not
the
documenting
the
fraud
reports
that
I
have
in
their
police
report
or
the
affidavits
I
have
of
the
doctors
in
the
past
Internal
Affairs
and
demanded
for
me
to
submit
those
reports
and
I
did
nothing
was
done
or
documented
and
for
some
reason,
this
Internal
Affairs
detective
acknowledges
that
there
was
a
policy
violation
but
was
instructed
by
Captain
mesmar
not
to
do
anything
about
it.
Q
I
confronted
the
captain
about
it
and
he
has
nothing
to
say
there
are
two
police
reports.
One
was
for
regular
fraud
and
the
other
was
battery
and
attempted
barter
and
the
like.
The
detectives
for
the
fraud
refused
to
document
various
expert
affidavits
that
I
have
nor
the
fact
that
the
Eternal
attorney
general
contacted
him.
Yet.
Instead,
it's
50
pages
of
misrepresentation,
misrepresenting
the
facts.
The
evidence
slandering
my
name
and
talking
bad
about
me
to
the
attorney
general.
Q
The
statute
of
limitations
for
regular
fraud
is
ran
because
the
detective
did
not
apply
to
Florida
delayed
Discovery
rules,
despite
internals
Affairs
acknowledging
such
and
failed
to
take
action
or
document
appropriately.
However,
there's
there
is
a
potential
offense
of
insurance
and
Medicaid
fraud.
The
regional
chief
of
the
Medicaid
fraud
unit
informed
me.
She
has
attempted
to
contact
the
detective
Superior
because
she
believes
the
temple
the
Tampa
Police
has
jurisdiction
and
capability
to
address
this
and
has
offered
assistance
on
numerous
occasions
on.
The
other.
Q
B
Q
Well,
I
mean
all
of
this
just
occurred
for
the
past
few
weeks,
but
force
from
to
the
detective
Superior
allowed
me
to
file
such
report
after
fighting
with
the
Tampa
Police,
and
we
got
an
argument.
A
week
later
said
he
didn't
want
to
help.
Recently.
Q
He
informed
me
that
he's
a
fraud
detective
in
a
different
unit
reviews
those
matters
and
told
me
to
come
in
person
with
my
evidence
and
speak
to
the
to
a
detective
in
that
unit.
I
have
not
done
so
because
I
fear
for
my
safety
and
the
conduct
of
these
cops
I'd
like
to
formally
address
that
Captain
Mezmur
previous
statements
about
my
case
and
evidence
on
the
crb
is
completely
fraudulent
and
misrepresentation
of
the
facts
and
the
evidence
and
I'm
going
to
demand
that
this
behavior
is
to
cease
and
desist.
Q
There
are
new
concerns,
ongoing
concerns
and
new
evidence
that
was
either
not
submitted
to
the
Tampa
Police
or
was
initially
refused
to
be
accepted
and
documented
accordingly,
because
captain
mesmar
in
a
pro
plea,
told
the
whole
department
not
to
accept
the
evidence
I
have
or
because
the
detective
in
Tampa
Police
negligently
disregarded
the
affidavits
that
I
have.
None
of
these
reports.
I
have,
in
my
hand,
are
documented
in
the
police
report.
There
is
no
review
and
no
notations
from
any
detectives.
These
are
affidavits
reports
from
fraud,
experts
and
doctors.
Q
The
reports
allege
that
the
nurse
forged
my
consent
forms
to
procedure.
That
I
was
forced
upon
me
and
reports
showing
that
I
was
assaulted
and
overdosed
with
the
anesthesia.
The
FDA
and
reports
show
that
the
standard
dosage
of
rope
of
a
Cane
is
five
millimeters,
because
anything
over
that
is
known
to
cause
toxicity,
and
this
is
a
medically
known
fact
that
was
given
20
millimeters.
Q
I'm
not
going
to
tolerate
a
way
a
white
man
dictating
my
life,
my
decisions
and
caused
irritable
harm
to
my
claim,
and
my
due
process
of
Justice
I
certainly
will
not
tolerate
racism
from
the
Tampa
Police
or
a
white
doctor
getting
away
with
committing
a
crime
against
a
minority
in
between
2019
and
20.
Oh
sorry,
sorry,
the
last
time
I
was
here
was
it.
Last
last
time
was
July
27
2021
the
fraud
report
came
out.
Q
Q
Q
E
B
R
by
the
city
of
Tampa
police
officers,
Nicholas
J,
hardisi
and
Edward
espareto.
This
took
place
at
St
Joseph's
BayCare
Hospital
in
Tampa.
I
would
like
this
matter
involving
the
city
of
Tampa
Police,
to
be
investigated
by
the
citizens
review
board
for
excessive
use
of
force
and
for
violations
of
professional
code
of
misconduct
provided
in
11b
270011.
R
I
have
statements
that
I
have
written
out.
It's
quite
lengthy
if
you
guys
have
any
more
questions,
but
I
would
feel
probably
most
comfortable
if
you
guys
read
the
statement
that
I
wrote
for
you
today,.
B
R
B
S
Thanks
to
all
of
you
for
being
here
tonight,
it's
good
that
we
have
folks
that
come
to
these
meetings
and
think
that
we're
going
to
listen
to
them
when
we
do
what
I
would
like
to
say
is
that
I
would
request
that
Captain
Mesmer
bring
this
case
to
us
and
bring
it
forward
to
us.
If
it
is
a
closed
investigation,
we
don't
know
that
right.
S
S
T
With
regards
to
that
case,
Mike
Schmidt,
on
behalf
of
the
legal
department,
there
has
not
been
a
investigation
filed.
There
hasn't
been
anything
as
far
as
work
we've
looked.
There
hasn't
been
anything
that
we're
aware.
S
B
E
From
the
city
attorney's
office,
Mr
chair,
if
I
may
and
Matt
Miss
guy
I
understand
what
you're
asking.
If
you
can
make
that
in
the
form
of
emotion,
for
the
board
to
be
able
to
vote
on
that
and
as
this
board
works
under
ordinance
18-8.
E
I
understand
that
this
board,
or
you
know,
Mr
Schmidt,
has
provided
information
that
there
is
no
pending
investigation
regarding
the
officers,
but
the
board
is
allowed
under
the
ordinance
to
hear
matters
of
importance
or
interests,
but
if
Miss
guy,
if
you
could
just
make
that
in
the
form
of
emotion,
I'd
appreciate
that.
B
S
And
this
this
is
just
Irene
guy,
my
personal
feeling
when
you,
when
you
come
to
the
podium
and
you
talk
about
not
us
as
a
board
not
being
transparent,
we
have
or
we,
if
we
don't
do
something
about
this,
it's
a
lack
of
commitment.
S
I'm!
Sorry,
my
counselor
is
looking
at
me.
That's
just
my
my
personal
feeling.
Is
you
get
a
lot
a
lot
more
flies
with
sugar
and
to
say
the
board
will
lack
Commitment.
If
we
don't
do
something
about
that,
that's
offensive
to
me,
but
then
I
will
make
the
motion,
because
I
feel
that
we
we
should
bring
this
forward.
But
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is
this:
is
the
citizens
review
board
not
the
citizens
investigation
board?
S
I
would
but
miss.
Would
you
like
would.
A
H
K
R
Yes,
I
attempted
twice
to
make
a
complaint
I
actually
reached
out
to
Megan
Newcomb
actually
recently
and
I
made
a
complaint
in
2021
about
my
situation.
Okay,.
K
Now,
Mr
emsky:
this
happened
on
the
12th
of
October
of
19.
R
R
In
2021
June
due
to
covid
it,
there
was
a
lot
of
dispositions.
For
my
case,
it
took
a
very
long
time
and
my
lawyer
advised
me
that
I
would
seem
like
retaliation
if
I
tried
to
do
complaint
well.
The
case
was
still
active
and
ongoing.
K
They
arrested
you
a
couple
of
months
after
the
incident.
R
Yes,
even
though
I
had
seen
that
they
had
pushed
the
charges
on
that
Monday
after
the
event,
they
waited
to
do
a
warrant
until
January.
H
B
H
You
waited
to
file
with
the
police
department,
but
we
have
like
a
citizen
review
pamphlet
that
we've
had
out
there
and
we've
asked
people
when
you
have
a
problem
go
to
one
of
the
districts
or
wherever
and
just
file
that,
because
once
you
go
through
the
police
process,
as
was
so
stated,
they
have
to
investigate
it.
H
We
cannot
look
at
the
case
until
after
the
investigation
once
the
investigation
is
complete,
then
we
have
an
opportunity
and
once
you
file
one
of
a
citizen
review
report,
We
additionally
can
say
when
you
come
down
and
file
with
us
that
when
we
ask
and
make
this
vote,
then
once
the
investigation
is
completed,
it
come
back
to
us
and
to
show
the
due
diligence
of
the
board.
What
we
also
have
done
has
indicated
that
anyone
who
files
a
complaint
and
come
with
the
board
when
they
get
the
findings
and
it's
ready
for
discussion.
H
R
Told
me
that
it
was
a
closed
complaint
already
at
the
TPA
and
then
I
reached
out
to
the
city
council
email
to
express
that
I
wanted
this
to
be
investigated
and
then
I
was
given
the
email
of
Megan
Newcomb,
who
works
as
a
lawyer
for
the
Tampa
Police
Department,
and
that
it
I
did
that
about
a
month
ago
and
I,
don't
know
what
the
process
is.
But
that
was
the
way
of
me
trying
to
get
you
guys
involved
and
now
I'm
here
with
the
coalition
to
speak
on
my
behalf
about
it.
H
And
if
I'm
inappropriate
in
asking
this
question,
let
me
know
most
of
the
speakers
came
from
the
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee.
Yes,
I'm
trying
to
find
out
what
is
the
Tampa
Bay
Community
Action,
they
know
what
the
crb
is.
Is
it
okay
for
us
to
ask
what
the
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee
is
and
I'm
asking
you
that,
because,
when
you
guys
start
speaking,
I
thought
you
were
with
the
Community
Action
Agency,
which
is
also
a
community
action
committee?
H
That's
in
Florida,
that's
under
the
county
and
under
the
state
and
under
federal
government,
and
so
when
you
said
that
I
kind
of
heard
the
Tampa
Bay
and
it
encompasses
Tampa
Bay,
it
is
not
Tampa.
Bay
can
I
find
out
what
this
committee
is
so
we'll
know
who
is
making
these
recommendations
before
this
board
I'm.
H
O
Cook,
we
are
a
group
that
20
with
the
George
Floyd
Rebellion.
Our
main
focus
right
now
is
doing
independent
Council,
but
we
also
are.
We
are
a
Grassroots
organization
as
well.
We
are
not
a
non-profit
and
we
sorry
lost
my
train
of
thought,
but
we
work
with
impacted
families.
We
worked
close
with
the
Andrew
Joseph
III's
family,
Josiah,
penner's,
family
Jonas,
Joseph's
family.
O
So
that's
why
sometimes
we
talk
about
those
cases
and
then
also
we
want
independent
Council
for
the
crbue
fight
for
a
greater
police,
accountability
in
Tampa
with
our
end
goal
being
Community
controlled
the
police,
which
is
where
there
would
be
a
board
like
this,
but
it
would
be
all
Tampa
citizens
and
directly
elected
by
the
public
and
would
have
a
little
bit
more
power.
O
No
I
was
not
the
one
talking
with
Kelsey,
but
I
know
that
Laura
was
looking
very
hard
on
how
to
file
a
complaint
and,
couldn't
you
know,
figure
it.
The
information
was
not
easily
accessible.
So
that's
why
we
just
decided,
as
a
group
to
come
here
tonight
and
speak
to
you
all.
H
This
is
old,
it's
not
new,
but
I
want
to
give
the
I
don't
know
if
we've
done
an
updated
one
yet,
but
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
you
get
this
information
because
I,
almost
literally
from
the
Inception,
we
came
up
with
a
process
on
how
Community
people
could
file
complaints
and
those
individuals
that
I
just
heard
you
mentioned
names
of
people
from
the
Andrew
Joseph
on
down
to
assisting
I
would
say
it
would
be
great
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
process
so
that
you
can
have
those
people
to
come
in
and
file
their
concerns
here,
then
we
will
tell
them
for
you
and
we're
not
in
any
way
adverse
to
any
Community
organizations,
but
I
think
it's
really
important
that
when
you
approach
an
organization,
know
what
they
can
and
can't
do
know
who
they
are,
but,
more
importantly,
how
you
file,
because
on
the
back
of
here
it
clearly
says
contact
numbers
to
file
a
complaint,
and
it's
in.
O
H
I
think
we
have
a
website
where
our
names
on
them
and
we'll
spread
it
out
and
and
contact
us,
because
what
we're
saying
is
we
are
pleased
when
Community
individuals
come
in
and
and
address
the
concerns,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
also
know
how
to
reach
us
and
what
we
are
doing,
because
we
too
are
citizens
that
our
volunteers
and
that
are
working
at
hard
and
committed
to
making
sure,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
people
clearly
understand
and
I
think
that's
some
of
what's
Happening.
Some
things
has
happened.
H
People
have
come
out,
but,
however
long
we've
been
here,
folks
did
not
have
any
idea.
I
know
I'm
on
my
second
term,
and
the
term
is
a
long
time.
These
things
were
out
from
the
beginning
and
from
the
onset,
and
we
would
like
to
make
sure
that
when
you
do
your
due
diligence
and
work
with
people
in
the
community
make
sure
that
you
know
to
tell
them
how
they
can
come
before
this
board.
H
H
G
G
I
appreciate
you
all
coming
tonight
and
speaking
on
on
the
issue
in
the
matter,
it
speaks
to
what
we
do.
We
don't
just
review
cases.
We
also
look
at
matters
of
importance
of
the
community,
and
we
saw
that
here
tonight
and
and
while
yes,
we
have
a
process
to
file
complaints
at
District
officers
or
whatnot.
This
is
a
platform
where
that
can
be
done
so
I
appreciate
you
guys
coming
out
here
and
and
Advising
us.
You
know
of
the
matter.
G
I
also
would
like
to
see
how
we
can
work
with
the
district
and
have
either
more
publicity
as
to
how
complaints
can
be
filed,
because
it's
really
unknown.
It's
there's,
no
really
a
way
of
knowing
how
to
file
those
complaints
for
these
cases
to
come
in
front
of
us,
so
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
either
create
a
a
poster
or
some
type
of
literature
that
we
can
present
to
the
community
so
that
there's
more
access
to
ways
of
you
know,
hearing
cases
of
this
nature.
N
Laura
Rodriguez
from
Tampa
Bay
community
action
committee
been
on
the
website
a
lot
of
times,
I've
tried
to
con
or
look
for
information
directly
on
the
website.
From
what
I've
seen
there
is
not
a
button
that
says
apply
or
file
a
complaint,
it
says
you
can
do
that,
but
I've
looked
thoroughly
on
the
website
a
couple
times,
I
even
know
who
was
in
the
seat
previous
to
each
person.
N
That's
information
that
I
can
access,
but
accessing
at
the
actual
complaint
file
or
a
direct
email
is
something
that
is
aloof
on
our
like
not
really
on
the
website,
as
well
as
like
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
direct
emails,
but
that's
also
not
on
the
website,
because
I've
tried
to
look
multiple
times
just
in
case
it
didn't
work
out,
but
yeah
I've
thought
about
contacting
you
all
directly
to
ask
you
personal,
all
right
to
ask
like
very
forward
questions
about
how
to
file
but
not
having
any
contact
information,
and
just
knowing
your
name,
I
didn't,
feel
super
comfortable
reaching
out
on
like
Facebook
or
something
like
that
and
I
thought.
N
That
it
is
when
I
Google
Tampa
citizens
review
board.
It
is
like
the
citizens
reviewer
on
that
website.
You
can
also
access
the
municipal
codes
and
through
it,
I
can
see
multiple
things
of
that
sort.
But
yes,.
S
S
The
Avenue
we
take
is
we
take
your
information
and
we
refer
back
to
the
police
department
because
we
don't
investigate
the
case.
We
hand
it
back
to
the
police
department
with
in
some
cases
it
one.
If
we
have
reviewed
a
case,
we
do
go
back
with
questions
on
that
case
and
those
questions
go
back
to
the
police
department
to
be
answered,
but
the
initial
steps
should
be
that
the
complaint
goes
through
the
police
department.
Now,
if
that's
already
been
done,
that's
the
reason.
S
R
That's
how
I
see
it.
This
is
essentially
why
I'm
here
today,
because
I
have
gone
through
every
single
Avenue,
desperately
trying
to
ask
them
to
reinvestigate
my
case
and
I
feel
like
I
was
not
appropriate.
The
situation
was
not
appropriately
investigated.
I
do
not
feel
like
it
was
treated
appropriately.
I,
don't
think
there
was
the
right
type
of
accountability
and
I
had
even
reached
out
to
the
city.
H
H
Going
to
say
still,
I
don't
know
how,
but
before
I
leave
I'll
leave
this
it's
an
old
one,
but
it
I
guess
the
numbers
are
still
corrected
if
there's
a
new
one,
but
we
do
have
an
attorney
that
work
with
us.
I
get
calls
all
the
time
where
people
are
trying
to
reach
us
and
they
ask
for
permission
whether
it's
the
media
or
someone
else,
and
we
talk
to
them
I'm
on
the
website
right
now.
H
I
think
we
agree
with
your
emotion
but
I
think
we
need
to
also
pray
I,
see
citizen
review
over
to
the
side,
but
I
see
com,
filing
complaint
and
I'm
trying
to
click
on
it,
and
it's
not
going
anywhere
but
I
I'm
going
to
refrain
and
step
in
the
motion,
but
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
know
how
citizens
who
are
trying
to
get
information
if
they
could
get
to
the
attorney
that
work
primarily
with
us
I'm.
Looking
at
some
review
and
I'm,
seeing
everything.
S
H
F
B
T
Chair
just
as
a
matter
of
clarification
of
that
as
well,
the
20
CF
number
was
the
felony
case
number
that
was
related
to
her
case.
The
actual
tpd
case
number
is
19.
T
T
And
in
another
clarification,
I
think
I
stated
earlier
that
there
was
there,
wasn't
a
investigation
open
and
to
be
clarified
out
a
little
bit
more.
What
I
was
talking
about
is
with
Professional
Standards.
She
she
stated
she
did
make
a
complaint.
It's
my
understanding
out
to
one
of
the
districts.
It
was
looked
into
and
it
was
closed.
That's
all
we
know
at
this
point
from
here.
H
Collins
yeah
is
it
possible
when
that
this
motion
pass?
Should
it
pass
that,
whatever
process
to
make
sure
that
it's
filed
with
the
citizen
review
board
process
to
go
through
our
investigation
and
until
we
make
sure
that
whatever
we
do
for
that
process
that
she
filed
that
so
it'll
be
officially
filed
by
her,
and
then
we
pursue
that
that
was
kind
of
sort
of.
H
R
B
No!
No,
that
the
motion
on
the
floor
has
been
amended
to
include
case
number
19-531689.
B
H
H
I,
don't
understand
it
and
when
I
look
at
it,
I'm
going
to
be
perfectly
honest
with
you,
it
looked
like
the
citizen,
Review
Board
of
the
policeman,
because
when
I
come
up
with
our
agenda-
and
we
recognize
me
on
tpd's
website-
all
I'm
saying
here
is
all
Police
songs.
All
the
sites
and
I
think
that
there
need
to
be
I'm,
gonna
call
it
user-friendly
best
practices
or
whatever
else.
H
If
we
have
to
look
to
try
to
figure
out
how
we
can
make
this
be
user-friendly
for
the
community
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
motion,
I
just
want.
If
you
can
come
back
attorney
and
let
us
know
what
it
is:
Maria.
E
Pettis
Michael
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
so
underneath
on
the
website,
underneath
there's
a
tab
for
the
agendas,
there's
also
a
tab
or
the
information
regarding
public
comment
that
provides
the
phone
number
and
an
email
address
in
order
for
there
to
be
public
comments.
So
that's
already
available
to
the
public.
That's
on
the
same
link
link
for
the
crb
for
the
minutes,
for
the
agendas
and
for
even
the
the
annual
report
is
also
there,
so
that
information
is
already
there
and
how
to
participate
for
a
public
meeting,
but
that
that's
already
there.
Yes,.
H
And
that's
on
here
and
it
it
looks.
Good
I
can
click
right
in,
but
if
we're
telling
people
have
a
problem
and
we've
had
people
come
before
us
that
have
problems
in
the
city
and
we
say
well,
why
don't
you
come
see
what
we
do
here
at
larger
complaint
and
we've
sent
them
out
to
district
one
two
or
three
for
tpd
to
file
their
complaint.
H
I
couldn't
tell
them
and
I'm
and
I'll
be
the
first
one
to
tell
you
all:
I'm,
not
confused
to
Savvy
I,
just
know
how
to
use
it.
I
couldn't
tell
them
that
they
could
go
on
here
under
citizen
review,
where
it
says:
agenda
management
annual
report
only
I
could
say
to
them,
is
you'll
see
filing,
but
when
I
come
up
there
I
don't
see
anything.
B
In
reference
to
item
10
on
the
agenda
and
if
I
understand
you
correctly
you're,
you
may
need
to
State
it
within
a
motion
for
a
presentation
to
be
given
in
reference
to
the
active
site,
how
to
access
it.
What
material
is
on
there
to
ensure
that
the
community
at
large
is
aware
of
it
and
know
how
to
access
it
and
know
how
to
how
to
utilize
it
in
their
best
interest,
so
that
that
may
be
something
that
could
be
discussed
under
item
10
under
crb
staff
reports
and
business?
B
If
you'd
like
for
such
a
presentation
to
be
given
to
our
viewers
at
home
here
at
the
citizen,.
H
Like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
get
a
report
from
the
attorney
and
the
tpd
on
the
website
and
that
how
user-friendly
it
is
for
the
community
and
the
public
to
be
able
to
access
not
just
the
minutes
and
report
and
the
public
meeting,
but
if
they
have
a
complaint,
how
to
file
it.
G
H
A
H
B
There's
a
motion
on
the
floor
presented
by
Carolyn
Collins
in
reference
to
Town
Police
Department,
returning
to
crb,
with
a
presentation,
a
tutorial
on
the
tab
of
crb
on
the
Tampa
gov
site
or
the
tpd
site
to
share
with
our
viewers
at
home
how
to
access
it
and
what
attributes
that
site
would
give
to
them.
That
motion
has
been
second
by
Irene
guy.
Are
we
prepared
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
on
the
floor?
Please
show
by
raise
of
hand
any
opposed.
B
That
will
conclude
item
seven
staff
and
board
responds
to
public
comment.
We
will
continue
with
the
agenda
under
item
eight
items
to
be
reviewed
tonight.
We
are
reviewing
case
20f-152.
An
officer
was
alleged
to
be
conducting
non-law
enforcement
extra
duty
at
a
club
in
Ybor
City,
without
authorization,
Mor
1005
standard
of
conduct,
not
sustained
mor1001
non-leo
extra
Duty
work,
not
sustained
mor1807
failure
to
comply
with
department
policies
not
sustained,
and
we
can
have
a
member
of
the
Town
Police
Department.
To
present
this
case
approach
the
podium,
please
state
your
name
rank
in
the
department.
J
Evening,
Captain
Patrick
Messmer
Professional
Standards
Bureau,
so
you
all
have
read
the
report
here.
Quite
a
bit
of
information
here.
The
the
gist
of
this
was
in
2020.
One
of
our
officers
was
reported
to
potentially
be
working
at
a
club
in
Ybor
City.
There
was
an
investigation
conducted
as
to
that
allegation.
There
was
a
flyer
that
was
circulating
that
had
her
photograph
identifying
her
as
a
hostess
at
a
club.
Numerous
interviews
were
conducted.
There
was
some
discussion
that
the
the
officer
did.
B
Appear
sorry
to
interrupt,
however,
for
the
participant
that's
in
the
audience,
I
asked.
If
you
consist,
can
you
not
show
your
verbis
sign
as
kind
of
messmers,
given
this
case,
please
or
throughout
the
duration
of
this
meeting?
Thank
you.
J
I'm
sorry,
so
the
allegations
were
standard
of
conduct.
Non-Law
enforcement
next
Duty
work
fair
to
comply
with
various
accounts
of
the
city
of
Tampa
ethics
code
that
involve
outside
employment
and
as
a
result
of
the
investigation,
there
was
not
enough
evidence
to
sustain
the
violations,
so
all
of
those
violations
were
not
sustained.
So
again,
a
not
sustained
is
not
a
exoneration.
That
doesn't
mean
the
evidence
showed
that
it
did
not
occur
and
sustained
means.
The
evidence
showed
that
it
did
occur.
K
This
officer
was
her
beat
or
her
Zone
Ybor
City
at
the
time
it
was
okay
and
this
tangra
nightclub
is
in
Ybor
city.
Correct,
okay,
is
this:
the
is
this
the
subject
pamphlet
that
we're
talking
about
yes,
and
can
you
can?
Can
you
show
that
pamphlet
on
the
on
the
screen,
I.
K
The
tangler
nightclub,
correct
and
again
just
this
is
a
nightclub
that
is
within
the
zone.
That
officer
Herrera
enriquez's
unit
covers
correct.
K
K
K
Again.
This
is
within
the
zone
that
officer
Herrera
has
a
beat
on
ethics
and
objectives
as
police
officers
or
the
professionalism,
ethics
and
objectives
of
the
department
or
the
city,
or
impairs
their
ability
to
perform
as
a
police
officer
within
the
city,
now
I'm
not
asking
you
a
question:
Captain
Messmer,
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
indicating
that
that
providing
this
kind
of
material,
knowing
that
it's
going
to
be
dispersed
to
the
public,
does
not
meet
the
standard
of
conduct
that
we
have
within
one
zero,
zero.
Five.
You
know
you
don't
need
to
respond
to
that.
C
Good
evening,
Captain
Mesmer
I
want
I
want
to
follow
up
with
a
comment
and
a
question,
a
comment
following
up
on
Mr
tamayo's
comment.
So
when
I
look
at
1005
the
standard
of
comet
standard
of
conduct
to
me,
that's
a
catch-all
phrase
and
again
harkening
back
my
analogy
to
the
military.
It's
it's
kind
of
like
the
action
conduct
on
becoming
of
an
officer,
it's
a
catch-all,
and
so
for
all
those
reasons,
I
support.
My
brethren
committee
members
comments
when
he
made
that
his
comments
on
the
standard
of
conduct.
C
So
that's
the
comment
the
question
I
have
is,
and
it
goes
back
to
a
statement
made
by
where
was
it
corporal
Pierre?
It
was
a
statement
by
Corporal
prierre
when
he
was
being
questioned
or
she
was
being
questioned.
The
quote
was
this:
is
a
training
issue,
so
it's
referring
to
what's
really
the
problem
here.
Was
this
a
violation
of
a
policy,
or
was
this
really
a
training
issue
of
a
two-year
experienced
officer
in
the
statements
as
well
from
the
subject?
C
She
acknowledged
she
made
a
mistake
and
basically
she
had
a
lack
of
sound
judgment
on
that.
So
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
this,
because
when
I
was
reading
through
all
the
statements
and
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
I
didn't
see
any
indications
of
what
the
retraining
was,
because
since
there's
no
violation
but
yet
there's
an
admission
by
the
Corp
on
the
statement
that
this
is
a
training
issue.
Then
I
think
that
begs
the
question.
Okay.
So
what
was
the
retraining?
C
J
Yeah
I
think
the
issue
is
going
back
to
the
standard
of
conduct.
Now
you
can
sit
down
and
have
a
discussion
with
somebody
about
why
this
is
a
bad
idea.
You
know
in
this
particular
case
this
was
run
by
legal
as
well.
Officers,
don't
give
up
all
of
their
rights
when
they
become
a
police
officer
and
if
they're
not
identifying
themselves
as
Tampa
police
officers.
If
they're
not
using
the
position
as
a
police
officer,
if
they're
not
doing
something
that
is
borderline,
illegal
or
unethical
or
immoral,
then
it
is
not
a
standard
of
conduct
violation.
J
So
we
could
not
order
her
not
to
do
this
again.
That
was
the
the
results
of
the
discussions
that
we
had.
We
could
explain
to
her
why
we
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
for
her
to
be
in
putting
this
sort
of
image
out
there
to
the
public,
because
she
is
a
Tampa
police
officer,
but
based
upon
the
content
and
what
happened
this
isn't
and
it's
not
she's,
not
promoting.
You
know
any
sort
of
house
of
prostitution
or
any
sort
of
activity.
That's
that's
against
the
law
and
she's
not
being
compensated
for
it.
J
There
was
no
evidence
that
the
investigation
uncovered
that
she
was
being
compensated
for
it.
So,
while
all
of
us
would
agree
that
this
is
not
a
good
idea
for
one
of
our
officers
to
engage
in,
all
we
can
do
is
tell
her
that
and
suggest
that
she
not
do
this
in
the
future.
But
if
she
was
adamant
about
continuing
to
do
this
in
the
future,
I
don't
know
that
there
was
anything
legally.
The
department
could
do,
because
then
she
could
have
a
potential
lawsuit
against
the
department
for
abridging
her
rights
as
a
private
citizen.
C
So
if
I
could
just
follow
up
on
that
with
a
comment
to
that,
captain,
esmer
and
I
think
I
think
I
agree
with
you,
but
I
think
that's
what's
the
little
bit,
that's
annoying
in
the
back
of
my
cranial
housing
unit
right
now.
Thinking
about
this
case,
because
it's
all
about
the
little
things
it's
all
about
the
little
details.
It's
a
lot
of
it's
a
lot
about
the
little
gray
areas
that
quite
honestly,
we
hold
at
least
and
I'll
speak
for
myself.
C
So
we
look
to
them
for
that
sound
judgment,
and
so
when
it
comes
to
something,
as
perhaps
arguably
as
insignificant
as
this
like.
What's
the
big
deal
to
me,
it
is
a
big
deal
because,
if
you're
starting
to
slide
or
question
or
or
walk
the
margins
and
something
as
insignificant
as
this
then
I
would
be
concerned.
Looking
at
police
officers
when
the
bigger
issues,
the
more
nebulous
gray
issues
happen
and
I,
think
that's
the
reason
why
we
have
1005.
That's
why
I
think.
That's
the
catch-all
phrase.
C
C
I
think
this
gets
to
the
very
ethos,
to
the
very
fiber
of
our
law
enforcement
and
our
community
and
the
relationship
between
our
law
enforcement
and
our
community
and
the
confidence
that
we
have
in
our
law
enforcement
and
so
this.
This
is
why
this
is
a
very,
very
important
case,
and
that
is
why
we
have
1005..
I
U
It's
happening
in
the
same
district
that
she
polices.
You
know
if
it
was
New,
Tampa
or
Carrollwood
or
South
Tampa
I.
Don't
think
it
would
be
as
big
an
issue,
at
least
for
me,
but
I
think
having
your
face
on
the
you
know
the
window
of
the
club
and
then
also
being
expected
to
police
that
same
street
I.
Think
that's
hard
to
ask
of
an
officer
to
do
both
things
or
do
them
well.
So.
J
Sure
and
I
will
I'll
just
respond
to
that
too.
It
did
indicate
in
the
in
the
investigation
that,
when
her
supervisor
found
out
about
that,
she
she
was
moved
to
a
different
part
of
the
area
and
additionally,
it
was
because
she
actually
knew
this
promoter
for
quite
some
time
well
before
she
even
joined
the
police
department.
J
B
Thank
you.
My
question
comes
from
my
area
of
safety
of
Public
Safety
and
also
officer
safety.
Knowing
the
physical
demand
and
dangerous
role,
an
officer
is
involved.
Do
we
monitor
extra
hours
perform
outside
of
their
scheduled
duty?
Is
there
a
cap
on
how
many
hours
they
can
work
outside
of
their
scheduled
duty
to
ensure,
during
their
scheduled
week,
There's
no
fatigueness,
no
additional
stress
and
that
officer
is
getting
the
proper
rest
in
between
shifts.
J
J
H
Things
of
that
nature.
So
hearing
that
she
was
moved
but
I'm
more
concerned
about
the
extent
of
the
conduct
and
I'm
also
concerned
about
it
with
standard
of
the
conducts
and
if
she
didn't
violate
anything,
that's
ethical
in
in
the
department
who
filed
this
complaint
that
that
individual
thought
it
was
something
wrong
that
they
found
it.
And
was
she
really
not
working
at
all
in
any
capacity.
J
So
initially
the
complaint
was
made
by
another
officer.
Another
officer
told
a
supervisor
that
she
was
actually
employed
by
and
was
working
for.
The
club
now
had
that
been
true,
that
that
would
have
been
very
serious,
there's
actually
a
state
statute
that
would
prevent
her
from
working
at
an
establishment
that
serves
alcohol
in
addition
to
the
city
ordinance
or
excuse
me,
the
the
ethics
code,
which
requires
secondary
employment
to
be
disclosed,
and
it
wasn't
so.
J
It
was
an
internal
complaint,
an
officer
reported
to
a
supervisor,
and
then
it
became
an
eternal
Affairs
investigation
just
because
of
the
nature
of
the
complaint,
and
if
it
was
going
to
require
a
lot
of
interviews
and
a
lot
of
work
to
get
done.
So
that
would
be
a
complaint
that
Internal
Affairs
would
handle
not
necessarily
at
the
supervisory
level.
So
it
wasn't
until
all
those
interviews
were
conducted,
that
it
was
established
that
she
wasn't
actually
engaged
in
employment
at
the
time.
H
Might
I
ask
that,
as
you
looked
at
this
case
and
we
pulled
it,
is
there
a
possibility
down
the
road
that
this
case
could
lead
to
a
policy
change,
not
so
much
of
what
they're
doing
since
people
can
do
so
many
different
extra
jobs,
but
one
that
anything?
That's
like
this
promotional.
It
may
not
be
a
job
for
her,
but
it's
promotional.
H
Somebody
makes
something
offer
promotions
that
if
you're
going
to
be
doing
things
like
that,
handing
out
your
pictures
or
other
items
that
maybe
they
should
have
some
kind
of
reporting
form
when
these
things
are
being
reported.
J
H
And
that's
policy
changes
within
TPB
because
you
already
have
the
state.
That's
backing
you
up
with
the
state's
regulations,
but
no
policy
change
just
to
make
sure
that
the
time
you
guys
put
in
this
investigation,
where
even
another
officer
thought
she
was
working
and
it
was
a
violation,
some
kind
of
policy
change
that,
if
you're
going
to
do
something
like
this,
that
you
at
least
have
some
kind
of
reporting
format.
J
Yeah
and
I
I
don't
know
the
specific
conversations
that
happen
with
legal
counsel
at
the
time,
but
like
I
mentioned,
we
have
to
be
very
careful
of
abridging
an
officer's
rights
as
a
private
citizen
when
they
do
something
that
is
completely
unrelated
to
the
police
department.
So
I
I
would
need
that
brought
back
to
legal
to
see
whether
or
not
there
would
even
be
an
opportunity
there,
because
we
we
can.
J
We
can
call
a
lot
of
things,
a
violation
of
standard
of
conduct,
but
if
somebody's
engaged
in
an
activity
that
is
protected
under
the
First
Amendment,
then
we
we
can't
just
say
that
standard
of
conduct,
if
one
of
our
officers
decides
they
want
to
participate
in
a
protest.
We
can't
say
that
they're
violating
standard
of
conduct,
because
they're
protesting
something
that
is
you
know,
anti-police
we've.
I
J
Officers
participate
in
protests
in
2020,
while
they
were
off
duty.
We
can't
there
were
definitely
some
people
who
would
like
them,
charged
with
standard
of
conduct
for
that,
but
they're
engaged
in
protected
activities.
They're,
you
know
exercising
their
rights
as
a
private
citizen
that
point
and
they're
not
in
any
way
shape
or
form
involving
the
department.
So
I
I,
don't
know
you
know
if
we
could
really
have
a
policy
that
would
say
anytime
you,
you
know
post
your
picture
in
in
public.
You
have
to
notify
the
department
of
it.
G
G
To
see
something
of
this
magnitude,
it
represents
a
department
and
it's
it's
something
that
it
speaks
to
The
Branding
of
the
department.
So,
while
yeah
an
officer
may
be
protesting
peacefully,
but
if
they're
protesting
not
peacefully,
then
that's
the
route
where
you
know
officers
will
another
individuals
like
for
those
individuals
to
be.
G
You
know
appeal
to
the
law,
but
definitely
I
would
agree
with
my
colleagues
here
that
that
the
standard
of
conduct
as
it
relates
to
Mor
1005
you
know
is,
is
speaks
to
to
this
content.
I
mean
it's,
it's
not
something
that
the
department
should
be
proud
of
in
terms
of
representation.
C
Captain
mismer,
let
me
ask
you
this
question.
Okay,
so
we'll
stipulate
that
two
of
the
1807
and
10
11
I
believe
it
was.
They
were
not
sustained.
So
assuming
that's
true.
C
Okay,
in
your
mind,
from
your
experience,
what
would
then
constitute
a
violation
of
1005
in
this
case,
what
circumstances
or
facts
would
have
had
to
happen
for
for
that
decision
to
have
been
flipped
over
and
they
would
have
then
said,
wait
a
minute
standard
of
conduct
you
know
was
violated.
Is
there
any
situation
you
could
think
of.
J
It-
and
we
you've
seen
this
in
previous
cases
too,
had
we
sustained
some
of
the
other
violations.
Standard
of
conduct
would
have
been
sustained
as
well,
especially
to
ethics
code
or,
if
you're,
violating
the
ethics
code
you're,
clearly
compromising
the
ethics
and
objectives
of
the
department,
so
that
would
be
a
default
standard
of
conduct
violation
if
she
was
doing
something
in
violation
of
Florida
law.
J
That
would
also
be
a
sooner
iconic
violation
as
well,
so
I
I,
don't
see
I
I,
just
don't
see
how
standard
of
conduct
would
be
sustained
on
its
own,
given
the
nature
of
the
fact
that
she
did
not
now
if
she
was
in
her
tpd
uniform
and
cut
part
of
it
out,
you
know,
I
I
would
say.
Definitely
you
would
have
a
standard
of
conduct
violation
then,
but
unless
she
had,
you
know
officer,
Vania
tpd,
that
would
have
been
a
standard
conduct
violation,
but
something
that
I
mean
nobody.
J
Unless
you
knew
her
unless
this
was
this
was
an
internal
complaint,
I'm
sure
nobody
I
know
nobody
from
from
the
community
made
this
complaint.
So
I
don't
know.
If
anybody
knew
that
this
woman
was
a
tpd
officer
other
than
the
person
who
made
the
complaint
so
that
that's
that's,
the
big
thing
is,
if
we
don't
know
by
looking
at
it,
that
she's
a
tpd
officer
and
that
that
you
know
she's
representing
the
department,
it's
not
a
standard
of
conduct,
violation
in
and
of
itself,
but.
C
Very
respectfully,
that's
where
I
had
I
take
issue
with
it,
because
it's
not
about
what
other
people
know
or
don't
know
it's
her
as
a
police
officer.
She
knows
who
she
is,
and
she
still
did
that
and
in
her
statement
she
admitted
well.
That
was
probably
not
the
smartest
thing
for
me
to
do
so.
That's
my
point
correct.
So
thank.
B
C
B
Gonna
write
us
where
you
like
to
amend
your
motion
when
he's
included.
K
Just
restating
that
that
the
citizens
review
board
does
not
concur
with
the
finding
of
not
sustaining
violation
of
manual
regulations,
1005
1005
standard
of
conduct
that
the
crb
the
review
board
does
concur
with
the
finding
of
not
sustaining
violations
of
Manual
of
regulations,
1011
manual
regulations,
1807
under
the
ethics
code,
2-511
and
manual
of
regulations,
1807.
B
B
B
S
S
Right,
it's
Irene
guy
I
would
like
to
move
that.
We
move
the
annual
report
to
our
next
meeting,
because
this
meeting
has
gone
on
very
long
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
talk
about
the
report.
B
Actually,
we're
on
item
nine
community
and
Tampa
Police
Department
matters
I
apologize
before
we
continue
with
item
10
and
and
take
this.
S
B
Take
this
guy
motion
and
consideration,
if
you
will,
if
I.
T
Let
me
just
go
over
the
provision
again
of
what
it
says
for
the
crb
annual
report.
It
says
within
30
days
a
receipt
of
the
annual
report.
Crb
members
show
review
if
necessary,
make
Corrections
later
than
the
second
date
right
no
later
than
the
date
of
the
second
crb
meeting,
which
is
which
is
tonight
within
30
days
of
receipt.
So
you
got
it
in
time.
You
got
it
within
the
second
meeting.
Now
you
have
30
days
from
receipt
to
review
it
and,
if
necessary,
make
any
corrections.
B
Okay,
before
we
continue
to
the
possible
motion
by
this
guy
to
table
item
10,
including
the
discussion
and
review
of
the
2022
annual
report,
I
like
to
return
to
item
nine
Community
Police
Department
matters.
If
any.
H
Mr
President
it's.
This
is
just
asking
for
an
update
because
I
keep
putting
it
on
my
list.
Did
we
get
a
response
from
the
state
attorney?
A
H
And
just
for
the
record
and
and
for
the
community,
we
had
requested
that
the
state
attorney
come
just
to
speak
to
the
citizen
review
board,
particularly
when
it
was
dealing
with
what
people
commonly
call
riding
by
the
bicycle.
Rider
right,
which
is
that's
not
the
name
of
it
when
she
was
going
to
reactivate
it.
H
I,
don't
know
what
the
status
is,
but
we
did
have
the
a
former
police
chief
come
in
and
indicate
that
they
were
not
going
to
deal
with
it
and
we
wanted
to
know
how
the
state
attorney
was
going
to
handle
it,
and
we
requested
that
letter
be
sent
to
her
and
that
she
respond
and
that
we
still
do
not
have
a
response.
Thank
you
is.
E
It
was
I
can't
recall,
I,
think
I
can't
recall,
hyla
sin
I
will
listen,
but
it
was
sent
to
the
state
attorney.
E
G
I
would
like
to
make
that
motion
to
resend
the
letter,
as
this
board
cannot
make
a
follow-up
on
its
own,
so
we
have
Council.
We
would
like
for
you
to
make
that
follow-up
for
us.
Second.
B
There's
a
motion
on
the
floor
in
reference
to
the
the
resending
of
the
invitation
to
the
state
attorney
in
reference
to
past
discussion
and
presentation.
That
motion
has
been
second
by
Dr
Carolyn
Collins
in
any
further
discussion
upon
the
motion
on
the
floor,
but
no
further
discussion
we'll
continue
with
the
vote.
All
those
in
favor
please
show
by
raising
pan
any
opposed.
Please
show
about
raising
pan.
G
B
You
will
Valdez
I.
G
Know
the
the
mayors
getting
started
with
their
National
search
of
the
police
chief
I
would
like
to
see
how
the
crb
can
be
involved
in
that
process
with
the
with
the
mayor,
just
like
we
do
with
the
officers
where
we
are
interviewing
them
and
asking
questions.
G
So
I
would
like
to
see
if
we
can
make
that
recommendation
to
the
mayor.
So
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
the
mayor
for
the
crb
to
be
part
of
that
process.
Whatever
that
looks
like
if
she
can
present
to
us
what
her
thoughts
would
be,
how
we
can
be
part
of
that
process,
that's
something.
I
would
like
to
see.
S
The
let
me
just
say
one
thing
before
we
vote
on
this:
we're
having
I
think
difficulties
getting
people
to
go.
Do
these
interviews
for
the
officers
you
know
it
seems
to
me
that
should
be
the
number
one
Focus.
If,
if
we
have
said
we're
going
to
do
this
they're
having
a
problem
getting
people
to
do
it
on
this
board,
so
I
mean
I,
understand
that
you'd
like
to
be
involved,
but
we
we
needed.
We.
S
We
were
it's
designed
for
us
to
do
these
interviews
for
these
officers
and
there's
not
enough
volunteers
to
do
them
right
now.
So
that's
my
would
be
my
only
comment
that
we
need
to
focus
on
things
that
we
are
responsible
for
doing
at
this
point,
I'm
not
opposed
to
us
being
involved
in
finding
a
new
police
chief,
but
that
seems
a
little
bit
above
our
pay
grade
actually.
B
G
I
I
did
communicate
with
Miss
Hill
I'm
available
as
of
right
now
to
fulfill
any
other
dates
that
the
crb
members
can
fulfill.
I
I
think
is
part
of
our
duties.
G
We
signed
up
for
this
as
a
volunteering
basis,
so
I
I
think
we
should
fulfill
all
the
duties
as
it
relates
to
our
role
as
a
board
member
of
this
board,
and
if
that
means
having
to
interview
law
enforcement
officers
and
having
to
assist
to
those
meetings,
yes
they're
long
days,
but
it
comes
with
a
job
that
we
stand
up
for,
and
the
chief
of
police
is
part
of
the
Tampa
Police
Department
and
is
a
law
enforcement
officer.
B
And
just
to
add
notification,
there
were
and
are
several
members
of
the
board
that
are
currently
participating.
But
as
this
guy
stated,
it
is
a
challenge
covering
each
scheduled
panel
of
energy.
So
just
let
the
record
show
that
there
are
members
participating
and
fulfilling
majority
of
those
gaps.
Mr.
B
No
I
had
concerns
to
ensure
the
next
schedule.
There
was
no
conflict
or
a
challenge
of
any
absent
member
via
in
person
or
in
videos.
U
B
That
wasn't
a
challenge.
Okay,
and
it
was
when
was
the
next
scheduled
interview
panel.
C
B
C
T
Mike
Schmidt,
so
yes,
you
should
have
gotten
an
email,
maybe
from
yeah.
T
H
Just
want
to
make
sure
so
an
email
has
been
sent
out
for
additional
okay,
I
I
mean
I,
I
went
I,
did
it
in
person,
it
is
a
full
day,
but
I
would
like
to
indicate
that
we
have
been
complying.
I
know
that
tpd
hiring
division
modified
the
process
and
indicated
that
if
it
was
providing
the
hardship
from
us
in
person
or
virtually
to
make
sure
that
we
let
them
know
and
I
would
like
to
know.
When
we
come
to
the
meetings
you
know
all
those
slots
feel
I
haven't
looked
at
it
again.
H
H
We
talked
about
I
think
that
if
we
could
do
less
than
that
frequency,
which
is
literally
every
day
if
we
could
have
some
level
of
involvement
with
the
police,
it
will
let
the
new
police
chief
know
in
that
process
that
there
is
a
crb
in
this
city.
Every
state
does
not
have
them,
and
every
city
does
not
have
them
and
I.
Think
it's
a
good
suggestion
and
if
we
needed
to
put
it
in
a
motion,
I
would
hope
not.
H
S
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
the
reason
I
said
anything
about
the
review.
The
police
officer
reviews
is
because
she
has
sent
that
email
out
several
times
which
indeed,
they
don't
share
with
us
who's
doing
it,
but
that
would
indicate
to
me
they're
having
a
problem
filling
all
the
slots.
So
that
was
the
reason
for
my
comment.
If
that's
not
the
case,
then
they,
you
know
I
I,
think
I
got
the
email
again
today,
so
you
know
that,
but
I
just
think
that
everybody
should
be
equally
involved
in
this.
S
We
are
equally
members
of
this
board
and
it
isn't
difficult
to
do
as
Lincoln
said,
it's
not
difficult
to
do,
and
it's
it's
very
it's
interesting
to
see
the
people
that
are
applying
for
to
be
an
officer,
and
you
know
with
without
that
filter
that
we
had
before
you
know
they
had
already
looked
at
all
of
them.
So
that
was
the
only
reason.
I
said
it.
B
G
Yes,
the
motion
is
for
a
recommendation
to
the
mayor
for
the
crb
to
be
involved
in
the
process
of
hiring
the
police
chief.
Whatever
that
process
looks
like
to
her,
just
like
we
heard
not
necessarily
A
decision-making
Factor
but
being
able
to
meet
the
candidate
and
provide
feedback
to
her,
as
we've
been
doing
with
the
other
law
enforcement
officials.
H
B
Board
member
Carlos
Valdez
have
made
a
motion
in
reference
to
the
participation
of
the
citizen
review
board
in
the
process
of.
B
Selecting
the
chief
of
police
here
for
the
City
of
Tampa
and
whatever
that
may
seem
fit
to
give
feedback,
but
the
the
Highlight
is
to
participate
in
some
form
of
fashion.
Dr,
Carolyn
Collins
has
second
emotion.
S
Mr
chair
before
we
all
vote
I'm,
not
sure
what
we're
voting
on
it's
a
suggestion.
There's
just
I'm,
not
sure
why
we're
using
this
as
a
motion,
it's
a
suggestion.
I
think
we
could
ask
someone
to
carry
forward
for
us,
but
I'm,
not
sure
it's
a
it's
something
we
need
to
vote
on
because
I'm
not
sure
what
we're
voting
on
it's
there's.
Just
it's
not
emotionable
item.
B
I'll,
take
this
opportunity
to
ask
a
legal
assistance
is:
is
this
request
need
to
be
in
a
motion
fashion,
or
is
this
requesting
to
be
submitted
in
some
some
other
well.
E
If
the
board
would
like
to
make
a
motion
regarding
any
action
for
myself
to
take
or
for
tpd
to
take,
it
would
need
to
be
in
the
form
of
emotion
to
reflect
in
the
minutes
and
the
desires
of
the
board,
so
it
would
need
to
be
in
the
form
of
emotion.
E
If
the
concern
is
you
don't
know
what
that
process
is
that
the
mayor
is
going
to
do
take
in
order
to
hire
the
next
police
chief.
That's
I
could
understand
that
concern
that
her
she
has
not
identified
what
her
process
is
to
hire
the
next
police
chief
and
if
that
has
not
been
made
public
I
I,
just
that's.
It
just
depends
on
what
this
board
desires
to
to
do
or
for
me,
the
message
to
send
to
the
mayor
regarding
the
motion:
that's
up
to
the
board.
B
G
Particular,
so
it's
more
so
for
us
to
be
part
of
the
process
as
it
relates
to
whatever
that
looks
like
for
her.
So
if
she
wants
to
do
a
national
search
and
she
wants-
and
she
wants
to
do,
how
we
are
doing
the
whole
interview
panels
and
that's
the
process
we
go
in,
but
at
least
that
we
can
be
at
the
table
and
provide
that
input.
G
If
the
process
is,
she
wants
to
not
do
National
search
and
maybe
have
two
or
three
individuals
that
she's
looking
at
then
for
us
to
have
an
opportunity
to
meet
those
individuals.
G
More
so
like
we
did
when
came
on
board
as
well
as
the
Director
of
the
CRA,
there
was
a
panel
for
community
members
and
certain
people
to
be
able
to
meet
the
candidates
and
ask
questions
and
whatnot.
So
that's
what
I'm
looking
for
I
would
like
for
it
to
be
done
in
the
view
of
emotions,
because
this
is
something
that
you
know
the
crb.
The
entire
board
is
agreeing
to
and
would
like
to
see
it
done
in
the
proper
manner.
So
it
can
get
to
her
desk.
Well,.
E
And
just
and
I
apologize
for
their
Interruption
on
the
previous
when
former
Chief
mayor
O'connor
was
and
that
there
was
a
time
that
the
board
was
invited
to
meet
with
her
to
ask
questions.
That
was
a
public
meeting,
so
there
was
a
process
for
the
board
to
participate
to
speak
with
the
candidate
that
was
made
known
to
the
board.
So,
if
you're
asking,
if
that
same
process
can
take
place,
I
could
see
what
the
process
is
when
it
is
established
by
the
mayor
and
I.
G
E
H
S
B
K
B
B
S
S
B
Any
further
discussion
on
the
tabling
of
item
10
to
the
next
month's
meeting,
with
no
further
discussion,
we'll
continue
with
the
vote.
The
motion
on
the
floor,
all
those
in
favor
please
show
by
razor
pan
in
the
opposed
please
show
by
raising
pan
that
motion,
passes
item
10,
crb
staff
reports
and
business
in
reference
to
the
annual
report
of
2022
is
so
moved
to
next
month's
meeting.
B
B
The
proposed
date
would
be
March
28
2023
at
Middleton,
High,
School,
4801,
North,
22nd,
Street,
Tampa,
Florida,
33610,
6
o'clock
and.
H
B
And
that
will
be
because
Sarah,
the
off-site
crb
meeting
for
District
Five,
yes,.
B
At
this
time
before
I
joined
this
meeting,
I
will
give
this
opportunity
to
the
board
to
add
in
additional
statements,
comments
concerns.
So
please
do
so
now.
I
apologize,
I
I,
do
have
an
item
I'm
sorry
for
crb
staff
reports
in
business,
and
we
have
done
this
before
for
a
member
of
the
crb
body
staff
as
a
suggestion
to
create
a
letter
for
the
family
of
Robert
Irvin
in
recognition
and
acknowledgment
for
his
services
on
the
board
and
and
such
if
the
board
wishes
to
make
a
motion.